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Stalin's metaphysics

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Stalin's metaphysics



Nowadays, the names of the leaders of the Soviet era are increasingly heard at the highest level. They sound in a critical, then in an approving manner.

In one of his recent public speeches, the Russian president negatively assessed Lenin’s policy in creating the USSR. About Stalin really very bad today is not often remembered. The wave of violent hysteria that peaked a few years ago was somewhat subsiding. In our opinion, this expresses something more than just a change of mood in that liberal intellectual environment, which, in fact, gave rise to terry anti-Stalinism. Other, more weighty, fundamental factors are piling up that encourage both our society as a whole and the country's president, in particular, to increasingly turn to the experience of building the red empire and look for clues and answers to the pressing questions of today's Russia. Is it not from this series that there is a revival of the TRP and vocational schools, attempts to recreate quasi-pioneer and personnel reserve, which “decides everything”?

Who was Joseph Stalin for Russia and for himself? Who is he - a tyrant, a misanthrope, a mass murderer, how do all these Fedotovs and Svanidze paint him with foaming at the mouth? Or the great and still not fully comprehended savior and creator of the Russian state, from the phenomenal experience of which it is possible to draw the necessary decisions and revelations for centuries? The question is exactly that, edge. Otherwise, it cannot be put today, for, no matter how sounding the timpani in the Kremlin trumpeted, every sane person realizes that the neoliberal model imposed on Russia from the outside is bursting at the seams and pulling us to the bottom. It is clear that the inevitable collapse of this model is unacceptable neither to the ruling class, nor to the masses of the people, that it is necessary to change something, moreover - on a large scale, decisively and meaningfully, without waiting for it to reach the bottom. This is precisely the reason for the lively interest expressed and unspoken by Putin to the legacy of the patriarchs of the USSR.

But for a start, both Putin and all of us need to clearly distinguish between stages — Lenin and Stalin. Being for an inexperienced historian in the same ideological bundle, they, nevertheless, due to polar differences, are essentially diametrically opposed. If the Leninist-Trotsky regime tried to destroy the cultural and religious soil of traditional Russian statehood to its foundations - devastated temples, implanted frenzied satanic rebellion, turned every page into a glorious stories Russia, from Prince Vladimir to the last Romanov, a multi-ton roller of proletcult drove into the asphalt the names of the great Russian commanders, writers, thinkers and spiritual seekers, propagated throughout the country fornication and emergency, issued orders for the destruction of the clergy (and, the more, the better), the gradual rise in the communist hierarchy of Stalin was accompanied by a steady reversal in this policy along all lines.

It was Stalin who buried the Comintern, whose task was to incite the world fire of the proletarian revolution with the help of Russia as an expendable material. It was he who returned the honor and dignity to the slandered names of Alexander Nevsky and Pushkin, Suvorov and Ushakov. According to his will, the great Russian science was resurrected and strengthened, and the dignity of the officer class rose. A gigantic industrial breakthrough was completed, which laid the infrastructure for victory in the Great Patriotic War. On behalf of Stalin, it is impossible to tear off the victory of the Soviet people in the nuclear confrontation in the USA and the conquest of space. It is necessary to completely lose objectivity and honesty in order not to understand: the security of today's Russia is entirely built on that powerful foundation with a 10-multiple safety factor, which was laid in the era of Stalin. This also applies to the formal authority of our country in international politics.

But there is another, hidden, mysterious, metaphysical side of this person and this stage in the history of our Motherland. The side that is deliberately or unintentionally forgotten, as ardent haters, so sometimes sympathizing with the "great leader." It is all the more important that it is precisely in our days, when a wave of rabid Satanism and Westernism covered Russia weakened after the collapse of the USSR, this metaphysical mystery of Stalin begins to show more and more clearly to the surface, disturbing minds. In fact, as one person who did not have an academic education, he managed to grasp the immensity, defeat countless enemies within the country and around the world. He did not suffer, like Suvorov, a single serious defeat in both civilian and military areas. Here opinions differ. Some speak of the monstrous working capacity of Stalin, who did not know the weekend, slept six hours a day and read 300 typed pages a day. He kept in his mind thousands of names, owned encyclopedic knowledge in various fields. He knew and appreciated the Russian language brilliantly. At the same time, according to eyewitness accounts, he was unusually patient, polite and infinitely merciful to ordinary people. As for the leader’s iron hand, the bloody trail of repression, the red line passing through his entire fate, this blood for many spiritually enlightened people was not the blood of torture and shame, but the inevitable result of the surgical operation that God’s Providence after 1917 had performed over fallen troubled Russia. Stalin in this immensely complex, protracted and painful operation Stalin, as is becoming increasingly clear, served as a scalpel in the hands of God. Hence the word “steel” in his party pseudonym. Like a scalpel, Stalin burned, destroyed the cancer cells of Lenin's nihilism from the prostrate body of the country. Waves of repression rolled from Smolensk to Vladivostok, collided with each other, raising the bloody foam of denunciations and settling accounts ... In the course of this struggle, the Stalinists fought the Trotskyists to death, and using their dominant position in the NKVD, they reciprocated. A terrible great unrest in which it is impossible to do without a huge number of innocent victims.

But the question arises involuntarily: why did the patriarchs Sergius and Alexy, Metropolitan Nikolai (Yarushevich), Saint Luke, and hundreds more, if not thousands of devotees, praise and honor his name. Who was he really? Great overlord or, nevertheless, a warrior-monk who did not know rest and self-interest. Just myself, to the last second, who gave service to the Russian people. The answer is already very close, and it comes to the surface more and more clearly through the dirty ripples of idle speculation and the swamp of paid publications. May God find the saving hand of Stalin, reaching for him from the great epoch of victories and accomplishments in the sorrowful hour experienced by Russia!
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  1. Koshak
    Koshak 17 February 2016 19: 48
    -37 qualifying.
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 17 February 2016 19: 50
      178
      Quote: Koshak
      But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

      Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb. hi
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 17 February 2016 19: 54
        69
        And yet - what oh how lacking now
        Stalin’s saving hand, stretching from the great era of victories and accomplishments in the mournful hour experienced by Russia!
        against the enemies of the people! on any liberasov- "clever", on everyone who throws mud at Russia, the Russian WORLD! On traitors to the Motherland!
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 17 February 2016 19: 58
          132
          Quote: Baikonur
          And what now oh how not enough

          And then he already foresaw what was happening today, and the liberals squealed against him because they knew they would be the first, like thieves and bribe takers, and sent to the wall or to the camp. hi
          1. vlad66
            vlad66 17 February 2016 20: 20
            70
            Quote: 79807420129
            and the liberals squeal against him because they know they were the first to be sent as thieves and bribe-takers to the wall or to the camp.

            That's for sure. (Click)
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 17 February 2016 20: 32
              +8
              In the phrase "The total US losses on all fronts did not exceed 50OO00!" Two zeros - not in the font!

              PS: Look who has not seen
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iodz9mgfOMs
              At a meeting of the Izborsk club: ... Glazyev. ~ from 14 min. alignment on the situation in the country!
              He is an adviser to the president. So why, if you know all the dealings, what happens is happening !?
              1. marna
                marna 17 February 2016 23: 11
                33
                Quote: Baikonur
                At a meeting of the Izborsk club: ... Glazyev. ~ from 14 min. alignment on the situation in the country!
                He is an adviser to the president. So why, if you know all the dealings, what happens is happening !?

                So Glazyev explains everything, there is a struggle between the financial oligarchy and supporters of the so-called planned-market direction.
                One and even several presidential advisers, this colossus, called the economy, cannot be deployed 180 degrees in place, apparently too many resisting. In order to begin to make structural changes, the existing economic system must obviously reach a certain point of no return.
                In the meantime, note that in the regions, unobtrusively, there is a gradual rotation of the top of the local government, someone is being jailed for bribes or theft, someone is leaving voluntarily-for their own free will, new people come, and they are unlikely to be followers of young reformers from 90s.
                The point is small, wait until the financial and economic sector in the government is finally completed, and the process, hopefully, will become irreversible.
                This may be too optimistic scenario, but I see something like this ...
                1. asiat_61
                  asiat_61 18 February 2016 03: 51
                  +5
                  .. It’s a pity, only to live at this wonderful time, neither I nor you will have to ...
                  1. Mahmut
                    Mahmut 18 February 2016 07: 27
                    -24 qualifying.
                    The author is right that he divided Lenin's "socialism" and Stalin's socialism. But unfortunately, Stalin had not only victories but also mistakes. For example, the author attributes to Stalin the successes in the conquest of space. This is when Sergei Pavlovich was almost ditched in Kolyma? Or take an example of how the repression was carried out against genetic scientists. As a result, the USSR turned from a grain exporter into an importer. And the quality of the grain fell to such lows that it was only good for forage. And they could not cope with this problem until the collapse of the USSR. The fact that Stalin took the country with a plow and left with the atomic truth is true. But whatever one may say, the country was first brought to the plow by Stalin's accomplices in the revolution. Or, before the revolution in Russia, tractors were not produced, schools were not built, power plants were not erected. With the same success, one can say about Yeltsin, who accepted the country with a calculator and left it with a laptop.
                    1. varov14
                      varov14 18 February 2016 09: 04
                      +9
                      With Chinese or what?
                      1. Mahmut
                        Mahmut 18 February 2016 10: 20
                        0
                        And during industrialization, from whom did the country of the Soviets buy machines and equipment? Whose engineers hired for the construction of socialism?
                      2. Foxmara
                        Foxmara 18 February 2016 14: 22
                        22
                        Dear Stalin, he bought the means of production, and during Yeltsin the only means of production was a baseball bat. all traded and produced nothing. oh yes, they also stole. and plundered. Stop confusing warm with soft!
                      3. Villon
                        Villon 18 February 2016 23: 25
                        +8
                        Quote: Mahmut
                        And during industrialization, from whom did the country of the Soviets buy machines and equipment? Whose engineers hired for the construction of socialism?

                        Nothing could have been created if the people had not been involved in the construction. You see, people studied, people built, people built. And Stalin created all the conditions for this.
                  2. Captain45
                    Captain45 18 February 2016 09: 21
                    25
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    This is when Sergei Pavlovich was almost killed in Kolyma?

                    Can you tell me why S.P. Korolev was almost ditched in Kolyma, although in fact he was serving time in the Pot'min camps? Could it be because the funds allocated for research in one area, it seems in aerodynamics, he spent on creation of jet technology, which was not planned in the design bureau. I did not get the result right away, the money was wasted, it was for the waste that he got a deadline. And then, when the need arose to develop missiles, Korolev was transferred to the "sharashka". By the way, for two or three days on the website "Empire" there was an article about LP Beria and the statements of academicians who worked in "sharashki" were quoted and not one, NOT ONE said a bad word about Beria.
                    1. Mahmut
                      Mahmut 18 February 2016 10: 11
                      -16 qualifying.
                      That is, you acknowledge that Stalin did not allocate money for the development of rocket science. And scientists for not targeting funds (not embezzlement) were sent not to sharashka, but to criminals for hard labor.

                      the statements of academicians who worked in "sharashki" were cited and not one, NOT ONE said a bad word about Beria.

                      Maybe because these academics did not have to work under the leadership of Beria. But do not tell me why Kapitsa refused to lead the work on the atomic project. Is it because of Beria?
                    2. Baikonur
                      Baikonur 18 February 2016 10: 15
                      +8
                      Twitching! Thickening on negation! Do not be fooled by the type of "facts" and the type of "analyzes." hi
                      Long to explain, at least for the whole article. We have already talked about this!
                    3. avva2012
                      avva2012 18 February 2016 10: 47
                      +3
                      And how did Academician Kapitsa survive after that?
                    4. Bayonet
                      Bayonet 18 February 2016 20: 13
                      +5
                      Quote: avva2012
                      And how did Academician Kapitsa survive after that?

                      On August 20, 1945, by the decree of the GKO, a Special Committee was created to manage "all work on the use of intra-atomic energy of uranium." In the initial composition, only two physicists worked in it - P.L. Kapitsa and I.V. Kurchatov. But Kapitsa could not work out with Beria, who was involved in the implementation of the atomic project - he could not stand Lavrenty Pavlovich, who, according to Kapitsa, ruined many wonderful scientists in the Gulag. Referring to the conflict with committee chairman L.P. Beria, Kapitsa in letters to Stalin on October 3 and November 25 asks to release him from work on the committee. Naturally, Beria did not like this very much, and he began to convince Stalin that it was time to teach Kapitsa a lesson. However, the leader replied that the condition for Kapitsa’s return to the USSR was the word he had given to the Queen of Great Britain that no repressions would threaten the scientist, moreover, all working conditions would be created for him.
                      As a result, on December 21, Kapitsa’s request is granted, after which he, in fact, is referred to the cottage in Nikolina Gora (Odintsovo district). It was here that Kapitsa was able to fully devote himself to scientific research, the search for new ideas and new directions in physics.
                      After Stalin's death in 1955, he was reinstated as director of the Institute of Physical Problems of the USSR Academy of Sciences, and was appointed editor-in-chief of the Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics. “To lead means not to stop good people from working,” he then wrote down his next catch phrase.
              2. gunya
                gunya 18 February 2016 20: 34
                0
                Mahmut (1) RU

                For example, the author attributes to Stalin success in conquering space. This is when Sergei Pavlovich was almost killed in Kolyma?


                And now I’ll ask the author to explain thanks to whom Korolev ended up in Kolyma?

                Maybe at the same time he will answer why the BI interceptor was equipped with a liquid propellant rather than a jet engine.

                And also the author, please name the creator of "branched wheat" who first supported geneticists, and then changed the position to the opposite
              3. goose
                goose 19 February 2016 10: 54
                +9
                Quote: Mahmut
                Or before the revolution in Russia tractors were not produced, schools were not built, and power plants were not built.

                Yes, there were no tractors, no cars, no planes. Import was 95%, and during the WWII period it was close to 100%. Power plants were not actually built. Engineering was in decline. Over the past years before the WWII, the construction of railways managed to be reduced by 4 times. The quality of grain in the Republic of Ingushetia was just below the plinth, due to the lack of grain stock. And it began to change only in the 30s for the better. Only rye grew everywhere. In the last years before the WWI, funding for education and science, and so miserable, was halved. Private industrialists undertook only military orders at inflated prices, civilian equipment and goods were hardly produced. Actually, we have almost slipped into this state over the past 25 years.
              4. Pre-cat
                Pre-cat 19 February 2016 14: 03
                +7
                Yes, tractors were not built in Russia before the revolution. There were no factories for the production of engines for cars, tractors and aircraft either. If something was produced, as at Russo-Balt, then it was individual copies or small series of ten engines assembled "on the knee". And we must not forget that the tsar was overthrown not by the Bolsheviks, but by the liberals. Back in February 17. And then they made such a mess that power simply fell into the hands of the Bolsheviks like ripe fruit. Although I do not argue that Stalin made some mistakes.
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 17 February 2016 20: 35
      40
      Stalin wrote during his lifetime that his name would be trampled and slandered by the enemies of the USSR. But then life will show him right. The first part was performed by Khrushchev. But until the second until we survived
      1. redeemer
        redeemer 17 February 2016 20: 42
        27
        He walked from house to house,
        Knocking at other people's doors
        With an old oak panduri
        With a simple song of his own.

        And in his song, and in the song -
        How the sun shine is clear
        Great truth sounded
        Sublime dream.

        Hearts turned to stone
        Managed to beat
        Many woke up his mind,
        Dozing in deep darkness.

        But instead of the greatness of fame
        People of his land
        Outcast Poison
        Presented in a bowl.

        They told him: "Damned,
        Drink, drain to the bottom ...
        And your song is alien to us
        And your truth is not needed! "
      2. gergi
        gergi 17 February 2016 21: 03
        +1
        So already shown.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 17 February 2016 21: 26
          31
          Quote: gergi
          So already shown.

          And since the 90s - The same thing: (only to "Voice of America", "Freedom" and "BBC" add "Rain", "Echo of Moscow", ... well, you know! more dirt !!! And Stalin would just SHOOT this dirt!)
          In March 1949, the magazine "Crocodile" placed D. Belyaev’s feuilleton "Hipster". So began to call young people who wore tight trousers, intricate hairstyles and clothes of eye-catching flowers, lovers of bright, as they said then, “foreign stickers”. They were fond of the infamous boogie-woogie dance. Most of them did not possess high intelligence, few of them could formulate their public positions and political views. What danger seemed to emanate from them? But it was precisely on such short-sighted, ideologically unstable young people that the poisonous arrows of subversive anti-Soviet broadcasts of the Voice of America, Liberty and BBC radio stations were sent. We are indebted to these hostile radio voices for creating “bacilli carriers of materialism” by today's unprecedented servility to foreigners both at the level of power structures and in the ranks of the so-called “democratic opposition”.
          I recall the verses “On Fashion and Weather” about a guy who came to his native collective farm dressed all overseas, as in the picture, but when the rain poured, “light yellow boots asked me to drink right away, his shirt crawled into a cage, his tie turned into rubbish before his eyes everyone’s vest is spreading at the seams ”... And this long poem ends like this:

          One of the authors of the "Anthem of the Soviet Union," Sergei Vladimirovich Mikhalkov, wrote:
          “We know there are more families,
          Where our screaming and scolding,
          Where they look with emotion
          On foreign stickers
          And they eat Russian fat. ”
      3. marna
        marna 17 February 2016 23: 52
        +3
        Quote: kuz363
        But until the second until we survived

        Well, why, in part, his innocence is already being drawn.
    3. Sura
      Sura 17 February 2016 21: 55
      +1
      Here Zhukov’s research on declassified archives http://www.litmir.co/br/?b=191167&p=1
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 17 February 2016 22: 39
        +8
        Quote: Sura
        Here Zhukov’s research on declassified archives http://www.litmir.co/br/?b=191167&p=1

        I like Yu. Zhukov - smartest, with encyclopedic knowledge - and all this under the appearance of a retired milling machine operator, who stood at the machine tool for 45 years and was met by chance while fishing! Well done man!
        1. Sura
          Sura 18 February 2016 08: 04
          0
          Здесь его регалии https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%96%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%AE%D1%80%D0%B8
          %D0%B9_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
    4. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 17 February 2016 22: 40
      30
      We will constantly return to the name of Stalin and to the era where, in fact, our roots lie, these roots in the Civil War, the intervention that the Red Army defeated on the fix, these roots in an unprecedented upsurge of self-consciousness of bast Russia from total slavery to the first the flight of a man into space, that era is Victory in a bloody war, it is industrialization at an unprecedented rate to the village, and most importantly these are people who did not have to stomp on foot, like Lomonosov in St. Petersburg, people became a fundamental part of that, namely, the human value system and these people defeated fascism.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 18 February 2016 00: 37
        +2
        I will correct it. Do not come back, but come back to again push forward, before it’s too late.
      2. Platonich
        Platonich 18 February 2016 05: 11
        14
        Thank you so much for the clip! I looked, and tears in my eyes! These are the songs that should be on the first channels, and not show the dumb voiceless pop music !!!
    5. spiriolla-45
      spiriolla-45 19 February 2016 09: 55
      +2
      It seems that he predicts what happened by dreams. Better Wangi will be.
    6. rus-b4
      rus-b4 19 February 2016 11: 18
      +3
      I'm afraid they will be the first to write denunciations, and to the west articles about repression, as was the case with Solzhenitsyn
  2. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 17 February 2016 20: 01
    27
    Regarding Lenin, Putin spoke negatively about him in the context of the fact that Lenin defined the borders and rights of the Union republics, which then used these rights and left the USSR. Then, of course, he could not have imagined that this would be possible, Lenin thought about the friendship of peoples, and thus wanted to emphasize the special rights of the Union republics, but as Putin correctly said, it was a time bomb that worked in 1991.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 17 February 2016 20: 11
      +9
      Exactly! And liberals are changing his words in their own way!
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 17 February 2016 20: 38
      -5
      Or maybe Russia should first understand its national structure? This is also a kind of bomb. And then think about the arrangement of the USSR.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 February 2016 21: 36
        12
        Nor will there be any arrangement for a new USSR — most of the former republics are already hostile to Russia and this enmity will intensify from year to year.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 17 February 2016 22: 42
          +9
          Quote: Vadim237
          Nor will there be any arrangement of a new USSR - Most of the former republics are already hostile to Russia and this enmity will intensify from year to year.
          1. Old warrior
            Old warrior 19 February 2016 16: 18
            +1
            But at least it’s clear who is friend and who is enemy.
        2. Alexx kruglov
          Alexx kruglov 17 February 2016 22: 54
          +5
          they want to eat - enmity will be replaced by friendship, but it is meaner than enmity
        3. alexander 2
          alexander 2 17 February 2016 23: 54
          +9
          This is all superficial. 25 years they were hammered that Russia is evil. We must develop our own counter-propaganda. And then everyone who is driven underground for Russia. When the Nazis occupied part of the territory of the USSR there, too, only curses were heard in our direction and praise of Hitler. Therefore, do not think that everything is so bad. Although you should not think that there will be no resistance to unification.
        4. asher
          asher 18 February 2016 15: 13
          +6
          The ugliest thing is that these pieces of our country suddenly invented some kind of history of their own and consider themselves damned Russian for several hundred years.
        5. Villon
          Villon 18 February 2016 23: 43
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Nor will there be any arrangement for a new USSR — most of the former republics are already hostile to Russia and this enmity will intensify from year to year.

          Nothing. let them live on their own and they will understand something.
      2. varov14
        varov14 18 February 2016 09: 28
        +1
        It's like putting us Russians at the forefront, so I agree to be an ordinary cementing force.
    3. gergi
      gergi 17 February 2016 21: 08
      -3
      Good grandfather Lenin was put on the friendship of peoples. To him, and his government, by a strange coincidence, consisting of Jews, the peoples making up the population of Russia were alien. It was a team of ghouls, cold-blooded killers and sadists, enjoying the suffering of millions of people and stuffing their pockets. I hate it!
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 17 February 2016 21: 25
        22
        I hate it!


        We must relate to history calmly. It turns out some kind of hysteria, no one has caught that time, but at the moment they are pulling either rotted breeches or a granite monument. Three thousand years ago, the Greeks noticed that they didn’t go into the same river twice, while they would trample down to delirium tremens along a tattered pool. All that exists today was born yesterday. And if my grandmother had Faberge, then she would be a grandfather.
        1. gergi
          gergi 17 February 2016 21: 33
          -6
          Our story is not a tattered story. This is a great story, unlike yours.
        2. gergi
          gergi 17 February 2016 22: 18
          -18 qualifying.
          I hate not only those, but also the current Bolsheviks, of whom the legion. Those for whom millions of victims for the sake of their social experiments are just statistics. Clarify, calmly, or indifferent?
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          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 00: 38
            13
            Quote: gergi
            I hate it!

            Quote: gergi
            I hate not only those, but also the current Bolsheviks,

            You then either remove the flag or put on your underpants
            1. gergi
              gergi 18 February 2016 12: 25
              +2
              Can you order me to emigrate? This is my country and I love it, and I won’t leave it for you to tear to pieces. By the way, if you do not know, Stalin Bolshevichkov spanked in the years 37-38. All this Leninist Kagtava pack. He did not build mythological communism, but a real, powerful, social Empire. And he built it! And what did the Bolsheviks build? They plundered everything, organized hunger in the country, unleashed a civil war. Genocide, and more. If you are a masochist, then love this bastard further.
              1. Foxmara
                Foxmara 18 February 2016 14: 29
                +8
                You were only asked not to be hysterical, but they did not whitewash the dear Lenin. And to poke the interlocutor is not the best way to prove. Hate - defeated. Make the country better, so that the bloody story never repeats and your personal merit is in history, and hatred will not warm anyone.
                1. Villon
                  Villon 18 February 2016 23: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: Foxmara
                  Hate - defeated. Make the country better, so that the bloody story never repeats and your personal merit is in history, and hatred will not warm anyone.

                  You're right. But how to make the country better? They don’t give it.
                2. Foxmara
                  Foxmara 19 February 2016 17: 48
                  +2
                  How? Be partial and don't let others "sleep". By example. Give birth to children. Educate. What do you want - to win all at once? Society must be changed in order for a qualitative change to become possible. And you can change it from below (or do you need a new Stalin? So he is not there, and if not - yourself, with your feet to the future). If there are many of us, changes will go faster. And no one can stop you from being kind, attentive, sympathetic, strong, sober, smart.
                3. Azzzwer
                  Azzzwer 20 February 2016 11: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Foxmara
                  And you can change it from below (

                  dear, I’m wondering here at this bottom and see what is happening here ... Being determines consciousness, and only then consciousness can change being!
              2. Azzzwer
                Azzzwer 20 February 2016 10: 58
                +1
                Quote: Villon
                But how to make the country better?

                as did Lenin and Stalin
          3. Azzzwer
            Azzzwer 20 February 2016 10: 57
            -1
            Quote: gergi
            He did not build mythological communism, but a real, powerful, social Empire.

            Stupid you. You at least read something from the works of Stalin, and then write here about the social empire
      2. varov14
        varov14 18 February 2016 09: 33
        0
        Thus, 1, 2% is torn in sacrifice, and this is just a tribute to atonement.
        1. gergi
          gergi 18 February 2016 12: 29
          0
          Would you personally like to be in that percentage? Or do you consider yourself exceptional?
  3. your1970
    your1970 17 February 2016 21: 33
    19
    incorrect question, why did EVERYONE give a damn about the Tsar? Isn't it because this mediocrity-Nikolasha was unable to rule the country?
    The formula “stuffing our pockets” sounds especially strange ....... Tsuryupa (People's Commissariat for Food) who was fainting with hunger or Stalin with patches on his shoes or Trotsky?
    1. gergi
      gergi 17 February 2016 22: 11
      13
      Trotsky-arm bracket was especially in poverty. For the last penny I bought myself a FORTRESS in Mexico. Silverfish. Pity the poor Jew, the eternal song of the chosen people.
      1. your1970
        your1970 18 February 2016 12: 50
        +2
        But is there nothing more that there are more Trotskyists in the world than Leninists? So he didn’t have his own money — they were cut out from the budget of the USSR, but collected in the party ...
        1. gergi
          gergi 18 February 2016 13: 15
          +3
          Yeah, earned overwork. Trotskyists-Leninists, one shobla-obl! To put it mildly. Occupants in a defeated country do not behave as much as these ghouls in Russia.
          1. your1970
            your1970 18 February 2016 18: 42
            +1
            Is it okay that thanks to these "occupants" you can water them with your bile here? Or did they press the tail of your ancestors in their time?
            "The invaders do not behave like that in a defeated country" - in the INVALID part of the USSR, the real (and not mythical !!!!!!!) invaders destroyed every fourth Belarusians. I can't even imagine how many would have died if the USSR had been defeated ...

            However, even striped here would have won, Hitler would have crushed England after the collapse of the USSR like a cockroach .....
        2. Azzzwer
          Azzzwer 20 February 2016 11: 03
          +2
          Quote: your1970
          And is there anything that there are still more Trotskyists in the world than Leninists?

          Nothing. For the simple reason that the modern world is completely capitalistic, and therefore lackeys of the bourgeoisie are enough.
          1. your1970
            your1970 20 February 2016 13: 22
            -1
            Those. what did Trotsky call you, you don’t know, since the Trotskyists were equated to lackeys? read who the Trotskyists always opposed ... You apparently mixed them up with the liberals repeat
    2. Alexx kruglov
      Alexx kruglov 17 February 2016 23: 55
      12
      "List of personal property of Comrade Stalin":

      “On March 5, 1953, at 22 p.m., I, the commandant of the Near Dacha Orlov, the senior attached Starostin, assistant Tukov, an employee of Butusov made an inventory of personal property of comrade Stalin I.V. as directed by comrade Beria.

      1. Notebook for notes, in a cover from a skin of gray color;
      2. Notebook, leather, red;
      3. Personal notes, notes drawn up on separate sheets and tear-off sheets. Numbered a total of 67 sheets (sixty-seven);
      4. General notebook with notes, red cover;
      5. Smoking pipes - 5 pcs. To them: 4 boxes and specials. devices, tobacco. In Comrade Stalin’s office: books, desk accessories, souvenirs are not included in the list. Bedroom and wardrobe:
      6. White tunic - 2 pcs. (The star of the Hero of Socialist Labor is attached to both).
      7. The tunic is gray, semi-daily - 2 pcs .;
      8. The tunic is dark green - 2 pcs .;
      9. Pants - 10;
      10. Underwear is folded in a box under No. 2.

      Boxed under number 3: 6 tunic jackets, 10 trousers, 4 greatcoats, 4 caps. Notebooks, notebooks, and personal notes are packed in a box under No. 1. Bath and shower accessories were packed in box No. 4. Other property belonging to Comrade Stalin was not included in the inventory. The time for completing the inventory and document is 0 hours 45 minutes on March 6, 1953.
      A savings book was discovered in the bedroom, 900 rubles were recorded in it.

      and what is there about our slave in the golden galleys, even if his insignificant secretion Piskov allows himself to publicly flaunt watches for $ 500 thousand?

      Imagine Poskrebyshev in a Swiss watch?
      1. Fat
        Fat 18 February 2016 04: 36
        +4
        Quote: Alexx Kruglov
        Imagine Poskrebyshev in a Swiss watch?

        I can fully imagine. Undoubtedly, the Supreme Secretary needed a good timepiece ...
        I.V. there was little personal property (other property belonging to Comrade Stalin was not included in the inventory), more and more "personal" ... Several dachas, apartments in the Kremlin, Packard cars, "souvenirs", books, etc.
        Probably funny, but everything said does not detract from my respect for I.V. Stalin does not affect the degree of recognition of his outstanding affairs for the benefit of the USSR and Russia.
      2. Fat
        Fat 18 February 2016 04: 47
        +2
        and what is there about our slave in the golden galleys, even if his insignificant secretion Piskov allows himself to publicly flaunt watches for $ 500 thousand?

        Wonderful. It seems like a patriot, but use infa maliciously fake No.
        1. gergi
          gergi 18 February 2016 12: 35
          +3
          You are quoting it in vain, the comment has already been deleted, and you have already come for the author. Joke wink
      3. aleks700
        aleks700 18 February 2016 06: 07
        +2
        1. Notebook for notes, in a cover from a skin of gray color;
        2. Notebook, leather, red;
        3. Personal notes, notes drawn up on separate sheets and tear-off sheets. Numbered a total of 67 sheets (sixty-seven);
        4. General notebook with notes, red cover;
        5. Smoking pipes - 5 pcs. To them: 4 boxes and specials. devices, tobacco. In Comrade Stalin’s office: books, desk accessories, souvenirs are not included in the list. Bedroom and wardrobe:
        6. White tunic - 2 pcs. (The star of the Hero of Socialist Labor is attached to both).
        7. The tunic is gray, semi-daily - 2 pcs .;
        8. The tunic is dark green - 2 pcs .;
        9. Pants - 10;
        10. Underwear is folded in a box under No. 2.
        Can you imagine how much it costs? Now.
    3. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 20 February 2016 11: 01
      -1
      Quote: your1970
      Trotsky?

      Trotsky only had one patch on the back of his head. and then posthumously.
  4. asiat_61
    asiat_61 18 February 2016 03: 59
    +2
    By the way, grandfather Lenin was 52.
    1. gergi
      gergi 18 February 2016 12: 37
      -13 qualifying.
      Running syphilis is by no means young. Wreck.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 18 February 2016 13: 06
        11
        Quote: gergi Running syphilis is by no means young. Wreck.

        In V.I., Lenin, the Wasserman reaction was negative. Well, bad luck? Moreover, if the blood in a certain stage, it may not be detected, and the person is sick (for various reasons), but here, in the cerebrospinal fluid, the result is one hundred percent. What does Lenin have to do with, they took puncture more than once. Further, syphilis, including sexually transmitted infections. N.K. Krupskaya, lived a few dozen years and nothing!
        There is a true conclusion of one doctor, but for certain individuals, it, of course, does not matter. H. A. Semashko in the article "What gave the autopsy of Vladimir Ilyich's body" (1924) wrote: "The main artery, which feeds about 3/4 of the entire brain, - the" internal carotid artery "(arteria carotis interna) at the very entrance to the skull turned out to be so hard that its walls at transversely did not fall down, significantly closed the lumen, and in some places they were so saturated with lime that they hit them with tweezers as if they were on a bone. " And, the reason for this condition of the artery? There are several of them (with syphilis, somehow not typical) and one of them: Fanny Kaplan killed Lenin. According to the description: "the bullet passed next to the carotid artery. In the process of healing, scarring, etc., the carotid artery underwent changes, it was partially blocked by 80 percent."
        And who is the author of "Lenin-Syphilis"? From the latest publications?
        S.J. Chivers, Retrospective diagnosis: Lenin had syphilis. The New York Times 2004. In 2004, Israeli researchers from Ben Gurion University in the city of Beer Sheva diagnosed the Soviet leader Vladimir Ilyich Lenin with brain syphilis.
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        2. atalef
          atalef 18 February 2016 13: 21
          +2
          Quote: avva2012
          In V.I., Lenin, the Wasserman reaction was negative. Well, bad luck?

          I will tell you so. the truth, we do not know, as there was no independent examination. and the very fact of the publication of the type - Lenin had syphilis - is simply not real, but even if it were true

          Quote: avva2012
          Further, syphilis, including sexually transmitted infections. N.K. Krupskaya, lived a few dozen years and nothing

          Have you seen Krupskaya? That would have slept with her had so much to drink fellow , Lenin would definitely not have health.
          Anyway, how can you? This is Lenin what
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 18 February 2016 13: 38
            +2
            Quote: atalef I will tell you so. the truth, we do not know, as there was no independent examination. and the very fact of the publication of the type - Lenin had syphilis - is simply not real, but even if it were true

            Anatomical diagnosis. Common arteriosclerosis of arteries with pronounced damage to the arteries of the brain. Atherosclerosis of the descending part of the aorta. Hypertrophy of the left ventricle of the heart, multiple foci of yellow softening (due to vascular sclerosis) in the left hemisphere of the brain during the period of resorption and transformation into cysts. Fresh hemorrhage in the vascular plexus of the brain over the quadruple. Bone callus of the humerus.Conclusion. The basis of the deceased's illness is widespread atherosclerosis of the vessels due to their premature wear (Abnutzungssclerose). Due to the narrowing of the lumen of the arteries of the brain and a violation of its nutrition from insufficient blood flow, focal softening of the brain tissue occurred, explaining all the preceding symptoms of the disease (paralysis, speech disorders). The immediate cause of death was: 1) increased circulatory disorders in the brain; 2) hemorrhage in the pia mater in the quadruple region ".
            An autopsy was started at 11 hours 10 minutes and ended at 15 hours 50 minutes 22 January 1924 years.
            Bullshit, that's all, Alexander! Stalin with a revolver stood behind. And other colleagues of the anatomist, already forehead smeared with brilliant green. wassat
            1. gergi
              gergi 18 February 2016 14: 14
              +1
              I don’t care what his diagnosis is! When they received me, inadvertently, in October, they said that this was a good grandfather! Well, let grandfather stay! At the expense of kindness, I'm not sure, rather the opposite.
            2. avva2012
              avva2012 18 February 2016 14: 31
              +1
              Quote: gergi I don’t care what his diagnosis is! When they received me, inadvertently, in October, they said that this was a good grandfather! Well, let grandfather stay! At the expense of kindness, I'm not sure, rather the opposite.

              Well, you, as in that joke.
              "Lenin lived, Lenin is alive, Lenin will live, and he loves little children very much!"
          2. Fat
            Fat 19 February 2016 00: 14
            -1
            Quote: avva2012
            An autopsy was started at 11 hours 10 minutes and ended at 15 hours 50 minutes 22 January 1924 years.
            Bullshit, that's all, Alexander! Stalin with a revolver stood behind. And other colleagues of the anatomist, already forehead smeared with brilliant green.

            Write nonsense frankly. But THOUGHT OF THOUGHT accidentally "pleases" bully laughing repeat
          3. avva2012
            avva2012 19 February 2016 04: 22
            0
            Quote: Thick Write frank nonsense. But the PROCESS OF THOUGHT accidentally "pleases"

            Are you a pathologist? belay
            If it’s not difficult, explain about THOUGHT OF THOUGHT and in what pleases?
          4. Fat
            Fat 19 February 2016 19: 49
            0
            First, talk about the influence of Stalin on the course of autopsy. In this case, the ears of Leon Trotsky stick out strongly. I explain: What influence could the party secretary have on the examination. The irony should be taken accordingly. IMHO Trotsky was in the CPSU (B) second after Ilyich, with the caliber of his argument and demand.
          5. avva2012
            avva2012 20 February 2016 05: 42
            +1
            Quote: Thick In this case, the ears of Leon Trotsky stick out strongly. I explain: What influence could the party secretary have on the examination. The irony should be taken accordingly.

            Who cares whose ears stuck out or didn't stick out?
            The fact is that anti-Soviets and Russophobes of all stripes are ready to throw mud at anyone, "Peter the first, was not the first with Catherine. Ivan the Terrible was a sadist and a maniac. Catherine the second went under the horse." And how, you or I, do not relate to V. I. Lenin, do not fucking pour water on the mill of the enemies. I, as a doctor, believe that the symptoms described by Lenin have nothing to do with syphilis. IMHO, no irony.
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  6. avva2012
    avva2012 18 February 2016 13: 48
    +5
    Quote: atalef Have you seen Krupskaya? In order to sleep with her you had to drink so much fellow, Lenin would definitely not have enough health.
    Anyway, how can you? This is Lenin what

    And if you look at earlier photos.
    Not Marlene Dietrich, but the profession of Nadezhda Konstantinovna was different.
  7. gergi
    gergi 18 February 2016 14: 10
    -1
    Vasil Ivanovich, can you drink a liter of vodka? I can do it! What about two liters? And two I can! Well, a bucket? No Petka, I can’t bucket, only Lenin can bucket!
  8. cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 19 February 2016 00: 47
    +5
    I think that it would not be very, very much ...
  9. Syrdon
    Syrdon 20 February 2016 10: 03
    +3
    Lenin had real love - Inessa Armand, with Krupskaya it was a friendly marriage and no more. The death of Inessa finally crushed the leader and a year later he was gone. And the causes of his illness in the assassination of Kaplan.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 20 February 2016 10: 19
      0
      Quote: SyrdonLenin had real love - Inessa Armand, with Krupskaya it was a friendly marriage and no more.

      With all due respect, well from where, we know what was there. Lenin's connection with Armand was mainly discussed in the press of Western "friends". I have no trust in these sources.
    2. Syrdon
      Syrdon 20 February 2016 11: 59
      0
      All that was in the correspondence, which is stored with us in the Russian Federation and is available for review. There is more than understandable.
  10. Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 20 February 2016 11: 06
    0
    Quote: Syrdon
    with Krupskaya it was a friendly marriage

    well then they were expecting children from this marriage?
  11. Syrdon
    Syrdon 20 February 2016 11: 50
    0
    s.ex.c, does not mean love yet.
  12. avva2012
    avva2012 20 February 2016 16: 11
    0
    Quote: Syrdon s.ex.c, does not mean love yet.

    I agree. Here, only with Innesa, the children did not plan in any way.
  13. poquello
    poquello 20 February 2016 21: 54
    0
    Quote: avva2012
    Quote: Syrdon s.ex.c, does not mean love yet.

    I agree. Here, only with Innesa, the children did not plan in any way.

    I got here, like everyone was riding in the same car.
    Can you comment, an article with a foulbrood, but this type of fact interested, is it really true?
    Here is the list of passengers of the “sealed wagon”
    1. Ulyanov, Vladimir Ilyich (Lenin).
    2. Suliashvili, David Sokratovich.
    3. Ulyanova, Nadezhda Konstantinovna.
    4. Armand, Inessa Fedorovna.
    5. Safarov, Georgy Ivanovich.
    6. Mortochkina, Valentina Sergeevna (wife of G. I. Safarov).
    7. Kharitonov, Moses Motkovich.
    8. Konstantinovich, Anna Evgenievna (sister-in-law of Inessa Armand).
    9. Usievich, Grigory Alexandrovich.
    10. Kon, Elena Feliksovna (wife of G. A. Usievich).
    11. Ravich, Sarah Naumovna.
    12. Tskhakaya, Mikhail Grigoryevich.
    13. Skovno, Abram Anchilovich.
    14. Radomyslsky, Ovsey Gershen Aronovich (Zinoviev, Grigory Evseevich).
    15. Radomyslskaya Zlata Ionovna.
    16. Radomyslsky, Stefan Ovseevich (son of Zinoviev).
    17. Rivkin, Zalman Burke Oserovich.
    18. Slyusareva, Nadezhda Mikhailovna.
    19. Goberman, Mikhail Vulfovich.
    20. Abramovich, Maya Zelikovich (Abramovich, Shaya Zelikovich).
    21. Linda, Johann Arnold Johannovich.
    22. Sokolnikov (Diamond), Grigory Yakovlevich.
    23. Miringof, Ilya Davidovich.
    24. Miringof, Maria Efimovna.
    25. Rosneblum, David Mordukhovich.
    26. Payneson, Semyon Gershovich.
    27. Grebelskaya, Fanya.
    28. Pogovskaya, Bunya Hemovna (with her - son Reuben)
    29. Eisenbund, Meer Kivov
    These "Russian" extremist elements arrive in Petrograd on April 16. And already on April 17, Lenin made a call against the Provisional Government for an armed seizure of power. Subsequently, General Ludendorff wrote in his memoirs: “By sending Lenin to Russia, our government assumed a special responsibility. From a military point of view, this enterprise was justified, Russia had to tumble down. ”

    http://maxpark.com/user/1436766536/content/650890
  14. PHANTOM-AS
    PHANTOM-AS 20 February 2016 21: 59
    +1
    Quote: poquello
    fell here, like all in the same carriage rode.

    Are you joking?
    Or did you find tickets to the "seal-car" that site?
    In this case, the money of the German General Staff should still be in the car wassat
    Who then hid in the Razliv near the hut? request
  15. poquello
    poquello 20 February 2016 23: 41
    0
    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
    Quote: poquello
    fell here, like all in the same carriage rode.

    Are you joking?
    .

    no, but I look at you a similar impression
  16. avva2012
    avva2012 21 February 2016 16: 09
    0
    Quote: poquelloI got here, like everyone was riding in the same car. Can you comment, an article with a foulbrood, but this type of fact interested, is it really true?

    Judging by the last names and first name and patronymic, this is MOSSAD!
    You would have added the protocols of the Zion of the sages here. And, it would be, you are happy! Who paid or did not pay, not proven. Drove or not drove, too. But what did the German General Staff achieve? Revolution in 1918? The collapse of the empire? So, I’ll tell you, then they are poets, these Germans.
    Bunya Hemovna (with her - son Reuben)

    With him, with him, an assistant professor is burdock.
    This is Babel's "Odessa Stories". If so, where is Benya?
  17. poquello
    poquello 21 February 2016 19: 12
    0
    Quote: avva2012
    Quote: poquelloI got here, like everyone was riding in the same car. Can you comment, an article with a foulbrood, but this type of fact interested, is it really true?

    Judging by the last names and first name and patronymic, this is MOSSAD!
    You would have added the protocols of the Zion of the sages here. And, it would be, you are happy! Who paid or did not pay, not proven. Drove or not drove, too. But what did the German General Staff achieve? Revolution in 1918? The collapse of the empire? So, I’ll tell you, then they are poets, these Germans.
    Bunya Hemovna (with her - son Reuben)

    With him, with him, an assistant professor is burdock.
    This is Babel's "Odessa Stories". If so, where is Benya?

    I generally hoped for a good reasoned refutation, I do not have love for the Communists, but such Goebels’s statements are unpleasant
  18. avva2012
    avva2012 22 February 2016 09: 04
    0
    Quote: poquell I generally hoped for a good reasoned refutation, I do not have love for the Communists, but such Goebels’s statements are unpleasant

    If they are unpleasant, then there is no need to bring this to the site. "Reasoned refutations", you yourself understand, I do not have them. Almost a hundred years have passed, and there is no evidence of the work of the General Staff of Germany and most likely there will be no more. There are "memories" of certain persons involved in the case. But, there are not even "documents" similar to the Katyn case or, at worst, "the secret Molotov-Ribbentrop pact." Why didn't you ask yourself a question? "Subsequently, General Ludendorff wrote in his memoirs"... There is an expression: "he lies like an eyewitness." So, here, apparently it is. It was not in vain that I focused on "Babel's stories". List of full names, just a holiday of some kind, for anti-Semites of all stripes, anti-communists, Russophobes, liberals, provocateurs. And, the list of all these: -s, -bov, -lov, -rov, is not accidental. Binds them all, hatred for Russia.
    The civil war ended a long time ago. Even if your ancestors, before the revolution, had a hardware workshop, then after so many years, it’s too late to hate the Bolsheviks. You, personally, have not done anything wrong. The same can be said about repression. Go figure out who was white and fluffy. Therefore, for myself, I realized that the anti-communists, like the communists, have long been quiet and quietly lie on the graveyards. The hatred that drove people to kill each other, has long rotted along with the bearers of these ideas.
    Therefore, in my opinion, someone is skillfully stirring up the ashes of the dead, trying to poison the new generations of living in Russia with the cadaveric poison of hatred. The question was not asked, "for what?"
  19. poquello
    poquello 23 February 2016 19: 54
    0
    Quote: avva2012
    Quote: poquell I generally hoped for a good reasoned refutation, I do not have love for the Communists, but such Goebels’s statements are unpleasant

    If they are unpleasant, then there is no need to bring this to the site. "Reasoned refutations", you yourself understand, I do not have them. Almost a hundred years have passed, and there is no evidence of the work of the General Staff of Germany and most likely there will be no more. ...

    and I looked where the ears came from, the authors of the publishing house "seeding", mossy and hardened anti-Soviet, even the USSR was falling apart.
  • goose
    goose 19 February 2016 12: 38
    +3
    Thanks for the autopsy materials. Dont know.
  • Villon
    Villon 18 February 2016 23: 48
    +1
    Quote: gergi
    Good grandfather Lenin was put on the friendship of peoples. To him, and his government, by a strange coincidence, consisting of Jews, the peoples making up the population of Russia were alien. It was a team of ghouls, cold-blooded killers and sadists, enjoying the suffering of millions of people and stuffing their pockets. I hate it!

    Do not forget Kerensky.
  • gunya
    gunya 20 February 2016 10: 09
    -2
    How emotional, but unproven!
    Now imagine that everything would go differently and, the question is: would you be knocking on the clave on the couch or in the armchair? It never occurred to you?
    1. gergi
      gergi 20 February 2016 16: 56
      0
      Yes, the great grandfather Lenin did not finish it here, he didn’t put all my ancestors under the knife. Now I knock on the clave. Can anyone fix a marriage in Lenin's work?
  • Igor V
    Igor V 17 February 2016 21: 20
    +9
    But would Lenin have created the Soviet Union without the right to exit the republics? Maybe only this right, disliked by Putin, contributed to the creation of the country. During the existence of the USSR, internal borders were repeatedly redone, republics and regions were created and liquidated. So why haven't the boundaries needed now been made? Maybe the thing is different, maybe there is not enough unifying and directing force, and not a mistake a century ago.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 18 February 2016 06: 57
      +4
      Quote: Igor V
      But would Lenin have created the Soviet Union without the right to exit the republics?

      No, everything fell apart even faster, when something is forbidden, then a person has a desire to break the ban, and give him the potential to implement something that is prohibited, he will not rush to use it, it’s always an opportunity at hand, why Do not try what is?
    2. gunya
      gunya 20 February 2016 10: 37
      +1
      Igor In RU
      Maybe the thing is different, maybe there is not enough unifying and directing force, and not a mistake a century ago.


      Correctly said!
      That’s how many Lenin’s calluses have already been, they seem to have examined from all sides, but not one remembered him:
      "The main thing is work with the masses", and where is this work now ???
      Where are the agitators and propagandists calmly, without slogans, explaining what is happening and what needs to be done?
  • Mubariz Ismailov
    Mubariz Ismailov 17 February 2016 22: 57
    10
    I.V. Stalin several times warned Lenin about the danger of national terrorism. images republics of the USSR. Between them, open skirmishes on this topic have repeatedly occurred.
  • PHANTOM-AS
    PHANTOM-AS 17 February 2016 23: 22
    +1
    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    Regarding Lenin, Putin spoke negatively about him in the context of the fact that Lenin defined the borders and rights of the Union republics,

    Do you really understand the difference between these individuals?
    Atlas and thimble-mdya, ao-of our life the thimbles are clearly in favor ...
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  • Villon
    Villon 18 February 2016 23: 37
    +2
    He called Lenin, but did not mention either Khrushchev, Gorbachev, or Yeltsin in the laying of the time bomb. Very one-sided truth.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 17 February 2016 20: 12
    20
    If it weren’t for Stalin, Russia would have long been torn to pieces by the jackals of imperialism ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 17 February 2016 20: 27
      -7
      Quote: Deniska999
      If it weren’t for Stalin, Russia would have long been torn to pieces by the jackals of imperialism ...

      a very controversial statement, because the options are unclear without revolutions or NEP, etc., this is a story - you can improvise and fantasize as long as you like, but you won’t be able to prove or disprove
    2. earloop
      earloop 17 February 2016 21: 54
      +7
      Society can be compared to a herd or herd that must be provided with food. water and protection from predators. To ensure a normal life, the herd must have an experienced and determined shepherd who knows very well where the green food and water are, knows how to decisively restore order in the herd (herd) and protect it from predators. As a rule, the herd (herd) is not uniform: there are left and right "deviators", there are provocateurs who, by their behavior, provoke obedient individuals to go "left" or "right". Such disorder is beneficial only to numerous "predators" who vigilantly monitor the situation in the herd. To preserve the livestock and restore order in the herd, the shepherd has a whip for prevention, and to eliminate the root causes, sending all kinds of "deviators" and provocateurs for "meat" and timely shooting of predators: wolves and jackals. What claims can there be against the shepherd ?! His goal is to preserve and increase the herd population!
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 17 February 2016 20: 22
    +7
    Well, if the OGPU was returned or something ..
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 18 February 2016 04: 07
      +3
      And again they planted the yavreis there. (The yavreis are according to Rasputin)
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 20 February 2016 10: 45
    0
    Quote: Baikonur
    against the enemies of the people! on any liberasov- "clever", on everyone who throws mud at Russia, the Russian WORLD! On traitors to the Motherland!

    Wow, that's what bourgeois propaganda does to the human brain .... Sadness, complete. Stalin's main life goal is not the destruction of individual "clever liberals", not those who throw mud at Russia, but the exploiters - bloodsuckers, capitalists and the bourgeoisie and clever liberals, as the spokesmen for the ideas of the exploiting class, of all that is the main component of the modern era, i.e. .e. a comfortable and happy life of a small part of society, due to the appropriation of labor to another, beginning in terms of numbers. So, "Mr. Comrade" you are as much an idealist and metaphysician as the affluor of this article. Learn diamat gentlemen, maybe then you will learn to separate the grain from the chaff.
  • tol100v
    tol100v 17 February 2016 20: 21
    +8
    Quote: vovanpain
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    Quote: vovanpain
    Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb.

    And that he was a warrior-monk who did not know self-interest!
    1. jjj
      jjj 17 February 2016 20: 30
      12
      Quote: Tol100v
      And that he was a warrior-monk who did not know self-interest!

      Stalin is God's Providence for Russia
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 17 February 2016 21: 20
        +3
        Quote: jjj
        Stalin is God's Providence for Russia

        Like that?
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        2. Mwg
          Mwg 17 February 2016 21: 38
          +5
          Yes sir! It's time to canonize St. Joseph!
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 17 February 2016 21: 49
            +1
            Quote: MVG
            Yes sir! It's time to canonize St. Joseph!

            Are you seriously?
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        4. gergi
          gergi 18 February 2016 12: 46
          +2
          Do not be ironic, this option is very realistic, the time has not come yet, but the truth is already making its way through the hummocks of lies! This Lenin was the Antichrist, and Stalin did not fight with the Orthodox Church.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 February 2016 21: 40
        -36 qualifying.
        "Stalin is God's providence for Russia" - and do not tell me how many people were ruined under him - his rule had much more minuses than pluses.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 February 2016 22: 03
          -9
          I am waiting for reasoned objections in my statement.
          1. Karlos
            Karlos 17 February 2016 22: 23
            +2
            Are you by any chance not an accountant?
            1. EvgNik
              EvgNik 18 February 2016 05: 50
              0
              Quote: Karlos
              Are you by any chance not an accountant?

              Young as well, besides clearly a fan of Solzhenitsyn.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 18 February 2016 09: 47
                +1
                I am not a fan of Solzhenitsyn.
          2. vlad_vlad
            vlad_vlad 17 February 2016 22: 26
            -14 qualifying.
            +

            to hell with them with liberals and propaganda, but what surprises me is the family memory of many idolizing Stalin. They have one - no one in the family sat / died in the 30s and 40s? or sat / died - and is that right? or in the family did not talk about this topic? In my family - half went through the camps, some died.

            it's just without srach and abuse - explain to me what the story of your family tells you.
            Survey on topvar ...
            1. owl
              owl 17 February 2016 23: 02
              16
              Quote: vlad_vlad
              it's just without srach and abuse - explain to me what the story of your family tells you.

              My only tells me that in my family (in all my relatives) there wasn’t felons nor pests just as they were not under that power, so there are none at this!
              And I can only sympathize with you, because genes are a great thing! smile
              1. vlad_vlad
                vlad_vlad 17 February 2016 23: 14
                -15 qualifying.
                happy for you. But do not rush to draw conclusions, or else according to your spelling -
                "May family" and "in my family (in all)" - you might think that by genes Russian is not your native language wink
                1. owl
                  owl 17 February 2016 23: 27
                  +8
                  Quote: vlad_vlad
                  happy for you

                  Thank you smile
                  Quote: vlad_vlad
                  You might think that the Russian language is not your native language

                  Yes ne !, my family is all pa Ruski balak laughing
              2. Foxmara
                Foxmara 18 February 2016 17: 40
                +1
                I communicate with the relatives of the repressed - the impression is that the apple is not far from the cherry. Signed to the whole scum -, freedom, echo, d /// ihad, jellyfish,, criminal power, the list is endless and stupid like traffic jams, they do not perceive any numbers and arguments other than American ones. Navalny revolves in the center of the universe, around him Nemtsov, Kasyanov, in the USA there is a low level of corruption, on the Maidan there were only people with 3, the edge with 2 higher educations, in the 90s they fled to the airport for some kind of secret messages from Yeltsin, in general - illiterate, not trained. Naturally with a know-it-all aplomb.
            2. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 00: 46
              +7
              Quote: vlad_vlad
              In my family - half went through the camps,

              And by what articles can I find out? Really all on 58?
              1. vlad_vlad
                vlad_vlad 18 February 2016 01: 11
                0
                I do not know. most were "spies" as far as I know, there were no "pests". Interestingly, during the war, 2 of them were released (1 - in the sharashka, 1 - in the war). The one who was in the sharashka was released in the early 50s ... but not home, but to Kazakhstan.
                1. asiat_61
                  asiat_61 18 February 2016 04: 16
                  +1
                  And released Beria L.P. bloody.
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 18 February 2016 05: 32
                    +6
                    Quote: asiat_61
                    And released Beria L.P. bloody.

                    http://istmat.info/node/26458
                    The draft decree provides for the release of about 1000000 people sentenced to up to 5 years of age, convicted regardless of the sentence, for official, economic, some military crimes, as well as women with children under 10 years old and pregnant women, minors under 18 years old, elderly men and women and patients suffering from a severe incurable disease ....
                    It is proposed not to extend the amnesty to prisoners sentenced to more than 5 years and held accountable for counter-revolutionary crimes, banditry, major thefts of socialist property and willful murder.
                    The draft decree was unanimously approved on March 27, 1953 at a meeting of the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee (published in print on March 28, 1953). According to the decree “On Amnesty”, the following categories of prisoners were subject to release: convicted for a term of up to 5 years, convicted of official, economic and some military crimes, as well as minors, the elderly, the sick, women with young children and pregnant women.
                    In colloquial speech, the amnesty was called Voroshilov’s, as the decree on amnesty was signed by the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR Voroshilov. Pancake, the project was submitted to Malenkov, the decree was signed by Voroshilov ... but in the end, Beria is to blame ...
                  2. vlad_vlad
                    vlad_vlad 18 February 2016 10: 25
                    -1
                    What can I say, completing the survey - the number of cons and the lack of arguments speaks for itself. I sincerely wish the lovers of Stalin - a new Stalin, and the "non-lovers" - have time to dump when this new one comes.
                  3. avva2012
                    avva2012 18 February 2016 11: 04
                    +1
                    Yes, not Stalin, lovers performed here, but countries called Russia.
                  4. poquello
                    poquello 18 February 2016 14: 19
                    +3
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Yes, not Stalin, lovers performed here, but countries called Russia.

                    Yeah, and everyone who does not perceive him as an idol is the enemies of Russia.
                    The civilian was called so because citizens, for the love of Russia, slaughtered each other.
                  5. avva2012
                    avva2012 18 February 2016 14: 46
                    +2
                    Quote: poquello Yeah, and everyone who doesn’t perceive him as an idol is the enemies of Russia. The civilian was called so because citizens cut each other out of love for Russia.

                    There are enemies of Russia.
                    But the majority, simply, once they have mastered the information, cannot change it for another. And, at someone's, relatives were sitting. This is from the outside, he is a squander, or even just a deserter. And, mom, he: "Vasya, Petechka, the evil NKVD lied to the blood."
                    Into the civil account. IMHO. What does "love for Russia" have to do with it? The worst thing in this war is just a massacre! There is no law, on the first day, they raised the lamp on the lantern. "Walk a flaw from the ruble and above!" IMHO. Those, who intentionally, try to smear our history with mud, try to bring this chaos back. Stalin- This is a symbol of the power and independence of Russia (USSR). And attacks on him consciousThere is a continuation of attempts to plunge the Motherland into chaos. IMHO.
                  6. poquello
                    poquello 18 February 2016 18: 51
                    -1
                    Quote: avva2012
                    . Stalin- This is a symbol of the power and independence of Russia (USSR). And attacks on him consciousThere is a continuation of attempts to plunge the Motherland into chaos. IMHO.

                    Oh. The history of Russia is so poor in symbols. The Russian Empire was territorially larger than the USSR, in the know?
                  7. Villon
                    Villon 19 February 2016 00: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: poquello
                    Quote: avva2012
                    . Stalin- This is a symbol of the power and independence of Russia (USSR). And attacks on him consciousThere is a continuation of attempts to plunge the Motherland into chaos. IMHO.

                    Oh. The history of Russia is so poor in symbols. The Russian Empire was territorially larger than the USSR, in the know?

                    Stalin regarded the USSR as the successor to the Russian empire.
                  8. poquello
                    poquello 19 February 2016 01: 52
                    -5
                    Quote: Villon
                    Quote: poquello
                    Quote: avva2012
                    . Stalin- This is a symbol of the power and independence of Russia (USSR). And attacks on him consciousThere is a continuation of attempts to plunge the Motherland into chaos. IMHO.

                    Oh. The history of Russia is so poor in symbols. The Russian Empire was territorially larger than the USSR, in the know?

                    Stalin regarded the USSR as the successor to the Russian empire.

                    And he didn’t participate in the collapse of the Russian Empire, to the ground and then can about plow start talking.
                    You are aware that on the emblem of the Republic of Ingushetia were the words "God is with us", but remember in what context you heard them before. Such a power and everything "Stalin, Stalin", as before, there was nothing.
                  9. avva2012
                    avva2012 19 February 2016 04: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: poquello And he did not participate in the collapse of the Russian Empire, until the foundation and then you can start talking about the plow.

                    And in the collapse of RI, how did Stalin participate?
                    The Tsar was overthrown during the February Revolution. So, what they could have already ruined. By the way, the question is: "could a healthy country fall apart?"
                    You are aware that on the emblem of the Republic of Ingushetia were the words "God is with us", but remember in what context you heard them before.

                    I, in the know: "Gott mit uns" on the coat of arms of another empire.
                    Why do you even mention this context?
                  10. poquello
                    poquello 19 February 2016 11: 18
                    0
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Quote: poquello And he did not participate in the collapse of the Russian Empire, until the foundation and then you can start talking about the plow.

                    And in the collapse of RI, how did Stalin participate?
                    The king was overthrown during the February Revolution.

                    Do you really think that Stalin sat in a boothouse until February, and then he took it and got out - all the revolutionaries were rocking the boat.
                    Quote: avva2012

                    You are aware that on the emblem of the Republic of Ingushetia were the words "God is with us", but remember in what context you heard them before.

                    I, in the know: "Gott mit uns" on the coat of arms of another empire.
                    Why do you even mention this context?

                    Associations, remember, the Soviet propaganda to what the phrase "God is with us" glued ?, to the buckles of the fascists.
                    The greatest works unprecedented in the world are ahead of us! We are on the edge of the abyss! But we are Russians! God is with us!

                    whose words I think you know.
                  11. avva2012
                    avva2012 19 February 2016 16: 00
                    -1
                    Quote: poquello Do you really think that Stalin sat in a boothouse until February, and then he took it and got out - all the revolutionaries were rocking the boat.

                    And why did they swing it, because they could not be caught in any way?
                    Remember "Nord-Ost", Budenovsk. Now, can this happen again? EBN and Putin. If they hadn't put things in order, then they were rocking it now.
                    Associations, remember, the Soviet propaganda to what the phrase "God is with us" glued ?, to the buckles of the fascists. whose words I think you know.

                    "We are surrounded by mountains ... surrounded by a powerful enemy, proud of victory ... Since the time of the Prut case, under Emperor Peter the Great, the Russian troops have never been in such a perilous situation ... No, this is not treason, but a clear betrayal ... a reasonable, calculated betrayal of us who shed so much blood for the salvation of Austria. There is no one to wait for help from now, one hope for God, another - for the greatest courage and the highest self-sacrifice of the troops you are leading ... We will face the greatest works unprecedented in the world! We are on the edge of the abyss! But we are Russians! God with us! Save, save the honor and heritage of Russia and its Autocrat! .. Save his son ... " A.V. Suvorov.
                    The buckle is fascist, moreover !!!
          3. avva2012
            avva2012 19 February 2016 04: 33
            +2
            Quote: poquello Oh. The history of Russia is so poor in symbols. The Russian Empire was territorially larger than the USSR, in the know?

            RI was generally a country with milk rivers and jelly banks, and with 90% illiterate population, and according to statistics in the 1913 goal in Russia, more than 12 million people (7,26% of the population) were affected by epidemics of cholera, diphtheria, anthrax, scabies. 9 million more people suffered from malaria, trachoma, whooping cough, etc. In total, chronic patients with infectious diseases had 21877869 people (13,2% of the country's population). On 10000 people in Russia had 1,6 doctors, 1,7 paramedics, 1,7 obstetricians and midwives. In rural areas, 1 accounted for 26 thousand people. In the USA, there were 10000 times more doctors in 4, in Germany - 2,7, in England - and 3,5, in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, Holland - 3,2 times.
            Of every 1000 of newborns under the age of 1 in Russia, 263 children died. For comparison: in Sweden 70 children died before 1 for every 1000 born, England - 108, in the USA and France - 112-115. in Italy - 138, in Germany - 151. Those. Russia exceeded European and US countries in child mortality by 1,74 - 3,76 times.
            And, at the expense of the territory, minus Finland and Warsaw with the district (Lviv was never part of the Republic of Ingushetia, that is, "compensated").
          4. poquello
            poquello 19 February 2016 11: 35
            -1
            Quote: avva2012
            Quote: poquello Oh. The history of Russia is so poor in symbols. The Russian Empire was territorially larger than the USSR, in the know?

            RI was generally a country with milk rivers and jelly banks, and with 90% of the illiterate population, ...

            and the first place in terms of industrial production, the largest bread production in the world (before WWI)
          5. avva2012
            avva2012 19 February 2016 14: 31
            +1
            Quote: poquello and the first place in terms of industrial production, the largest bread production in the world (before WWI)

            With 3 percent of the proletariat. Yeah, and at what "growth rates"?
            Machine tool industry? Then why did the Bolsheviks buy the machines first? In what? And for bread. You know, the village didn’t live full, that's for sure. Another point, the peasants did not have elevators. Therefore, various diseases due to poor-quality bread. And infant mortality, too, is precisely because of this (bread was chewed in a scarf to a baby). And, if in an adult, the crap in the bread caused only an upset stomach, then in an infant, it ended up not controlled by diarrhea and dehydration. Death as a result. After the mass executions of peasants, and then those who remained after that, the Bolsheviks were evicted to the North Pole, and this was the first thing they fought against. Such wickedness.
          6. poquello
            poquello 19 February 2016 15: 24
            0
            Quote: avva2012
            Quote: poquello and the first place in terms of industrial production, the largest bread production in the world (before WWI)

            With 3 percent of the proletariat. Yeah, and at what "growth rates"?
            .

            During 1909 — 1913, the smelting of pig iron in the world increased by 32%, in the USA - by 20, in Germany - by 50, in Russia - by 64%. Russia occupied 2-th place in the world in oil production, 4-e in engineering, 5-e in coal, iron ore and steel production.
          7. avva2012
            avva2012 19 February 2016 15: 51
            +1
            Quote: poquelloDuring 1909 — 1913, the smelting of pig iron in the world increased by 32%, in the USA - by 20, in Germany - by 50, in Russia - by 64%. Russia occupied 2-th place in the world in oil production, 4-e in engineering, 5-e in coal, iron ore and steel production.

            And whose factories were these? About oil. Nobili is who, remind me. Most of the industry was owned by foreigners. "Lena Shooting", whose mines? The railway was generally built with French money. For a future war with Germany. The main industry was located in the western part of the Republic of Ingushetia. And part of it went to the newly emerging states.
            Ask yourself the question: "And, was there a system for the industry to develop?" Is this a development in the context of universal illiteracy? The Bolsheviks introduced FZU, technical schools, institutes, often as stages. Moreover, the scheme was well thought out. RI's economic growth is similar to that of China. IMHO. Let's see what will happen in China.
          8. poquello
            poquello 19 February 2016 21: 20
            +1
            Quote: avva2012
            Quote: poquelloDuring 1909 — 1913, the smelting of pig iron in the world increased by 32%, in the USA - by 20, in Germany - by 50, in Russia - by 64%. Russia occupied 2-th place in the world in oil production, 4-e in engineering, 5-e in coal, iron ore and steel production.

            And whose plants were these? ...

            What is the horror? Now this is called investment, the bourgeois received their percentage of profit 20-25%, RI also invested in foreign projects. Revolver Nagan made in our factories. The industry developed unambiguously, for competent specialists all conditions were created.
            NS Khrushchev recalled that until 1917, working as a locksmith in the Donetsk mine, he materially lived better than in the 1930s, when he was a high-ranking party official in Moscow "... working as a simple locksmith, he earned 45 rubles. at the price of black bread at 2 kopecks, on white - 4 kopecks, a pound of fat - 22 kopecks, an egg cost a penny, shoes, the best Skorokhodovsky ones - 7 rubles. What is there to compare. When I was conducting party work in Moscow, I didn’t have half of it, although I occupied a rather high place. ” Then Khrushchev honestly admits that in the 1930s. "Other people were even worse off than me." It is clear that ordinary workers and office workers received much less than the secretary of the Moscow City Party Committee.
            But, perhaps, N. S. Khrushchev belonged to a highly skilled labor aristocracy and his standard of living was very different from most workers? By 1917, Khrushchev was only 22 years old and he simply did not manage to get such a qualification. In 1909, a contemporary, demanding to add a salary to young scientists, said - “only a bad locksmith gets 50 rubles. per month - the salary of a candidate for a professor - and a good locksmith receives 80 - 90 rubles. per month". Consequently, the young N. S. Khrushchev received not as a representative of the labor aristocracy, but as a "bad locksmith."

            http://vip-arhitektor.livejournal.com/27446.html
          9. avva2012
            avva2012 20 February 2016 06: 14
            0
            Quote: poquello What is the horror? Now this is called investment, the bourgeois received their percentage of the profit 20-25%,

            The horror is that almost the entire mining industry was in the hands of foreigners. That is, the left uncle decided what is needed for Russia and what is not. About railway and French investment, I already wrote. Interestingly, there are materials on the internet.
            RI also invested in foreign projects.

            In which, do not tell me? Where in the economy of France, England, Sweden and the Netherlands was Russian capital represented to the same extent as theirs?
            The industry developed unambiguously, for competent specialists all conditions were created.

            There was no system of education and development. Without a system, there are no real plans for the future. What kind of specialists does the country lack? Accordingly, there is a development in this area after school education. Was it not like that in RI? Again, three percent of the proletariat. Of these, how much did you earn? How many hours did they work? Holidays, weekends? All data is freely available. And finally, we can recall conspiracy theology. N. S. Khrushchev recalled that before 1917, working as a locksmith in the Donetsk mine, he was living materially better than in the 1930, when he was a high-ranking party official in Moscow .... But maybe N. S. Khrushchev belonged to a highly skilled labor aristocracy and his standard of living was very different from most workers? By 1917, Khrushchev was only 22 years old and he simply did not manage to get such a qualification.
            But wasn’t there any snitches, dear man, by chance? Security through legal sources, could not pay for the services of his agent? IMHO.
          10. poquello
            poquello 20 February 2016 13: 02
            +1
            Quote: avva2012
            Quote: poquello What is the horror? Now this is called investment, the bourgeois received their percentage of the profit 20-25%,

            The horror is that almost the entire mining industry was in the hands of foreigners.

            not all, up to 75% for individual
            Quote: avva2012

            RI also invested in foreign projects.

            In which, do not tell me?

            Iranian Railways
            Quote: avva2012

            The industry developed unambiguously, for competent specialists all conditions were created.

            There was no system of education and development.

            ))) maybe the system of universal education?
            Quote: avva2012

            ... Security through legal sources, couldn’t she pay for my agent? IMHO.

            In 1909, a contemporary, demanding to add a salary to young scientists, said - “only a bad locksmith gets 50 rubles. per month - the salary of a candidate for a professor - and a good locksmith receives 80 - 90 rubles. per month".
            Is it not clear, 45 rubles, is an ordinary locksmith, but I actually brought this piece to show twice (or more) the difference in the salary of specialists
          11. avva2012
            avva2012 20 February 2016 17: 05
            0
            Quote: poquello not all, up to 75% for individual

            Few? it was all 100 ?, so this was what would have happened if it had not been for the revolution.
            Iranian Railways

            I, about the symmetrical answer. That is, Europe meant. Do not cast a shadow over the wattle fence.
            ))) maybe the system of universal education?

            four classes of church parish?
            Is it not clear, 45 rubles, is an ordinary locksmith, but I actually brought this piece to show twice (or more) the difference in the salary of specialists

            Not, to me, about Khrushchev in the 22 of the year who received the wrong salary, as usual, I liked it more. Do not throw the source?
          12. poquello
            poquello 20 February 2016 22: 25
            0
            Quote: avva2012
            Quote: poquello not all, up to 75% for individual

            Few? it was necessary all 100 ?, and so it went, ...
            Iranian Railways

            I, about the symmetrical answer. That is, Europe meant. Do not cast a shadow over the wattle fence.

            capital goes to where it is possible to use it profitably, investment develops the economy, this is normal, the problem of RI was in fusing the interests of officials and foreign capital
            Quote: avva2012

            ))) maybe the system of universal education?

            four classes of church parish?

            TSSH was for the poor and incapable.
            Quote: avva2012

            Is it not clear, 45 rubles, is an ordinary locksmith, but I actually brought this piece to show twice (or more) the difference in the salary of specialists

            Not, to me, about Khrushchev in the 22 of the year who received the wrong salary, as usual, I liked it more. Do not throw the source?

            the link was originally viewed
            http://vip-arhitektor.livejournal.com/27446.html
          13. avva2012
            avva2012 21 February 2016 16: 17
            0
            Quote: poquello capital goes where it is possible to use it profitably, investments develop the economy, this is normal, the problem of RI was fusion of interests of officials and foreign capital

            And what is wrong? The Bolsheviks destroyed this vicious practice. As a result, the country has risen to an reachable level. Now, they repeat, what happened a hundred years ago and that the empire led to the Civil War. Good?
            TSSH was for the poor and incapable.

            There were a majority of the poor. French bun crunched a disappearing percentage of the population. Therefore, it was a ceiling for the capable, in contrast to the Soviet education system.
            the link was originally viewed

            Thank you, and really looked.
          14. poquello
            poquello 21 February 2016 19: 27
            0
            Quote: avva2012

            TSSH was for the poor and incapable.

            There were a majority of the poor. French bun crunched a disappearing percentage of the population. Therefore, it was a ceiling for the capable, in contrast to the Soviet education system.
            .

            Lomonosov Mikhailo peasant son
          15. avva2012
            avva2012 22 February 2016 09: 56
            0
            Quote: poquello Lomonosov Mikhailo peasant son

            Who is bigger?
            In vain they forgot: Grigory Efimovich RASPUTIN.
            Here, one of the lower classes. And, thanks to the keen interest in the people, the king-father and the queen-mother, a simple man rose to the very top of the Republic of Ingushetia.
  • vlad_vlad
    vlad_vlad 18 February 2016 21: 47
    +1
    Yes, not Stalin, lovers performed here, but countries called Russia


    Stalin = Russia? "any ruler" = Russia? strongly disagree. it is the ideology of slaves.
    "people" = Russia!
  • goose
    goose 19 February 2016 12: 53
    -1
    Quote: vlad_vlad
    Stalin = Russia? "any ruler" = Russia? strongly disagree. it is the ideology of slaves.
    "people" = Russia!

    Perhaps, but Stalin, despite the fact that the Ossetians are one of the best Russians in the history of the country. Only 3 times the country was threatened with destruction - during the Tatar invasion, the Polish unrest and the Second World War. And if the first two events were overcome with great creak, the third Stalin passed brilliantly.
  • poquello
    poquello 19 February 2016 21: 28
    +1
    Quote: goose
    Quote: vlad_vlad
    Stalin = Russia? "any ruler" = Russia? strongly disagree. it is the ideology of slaves.
    "people" = Russia!

    Perhaps, but Stalin, despite the fact that the Ossetians are one of the best Russians in the history of the country. Only 3 times the country was threatened with destruction - during the Tatar invasion, the Polish unrest and the Second World War. And if the first two events were overcome with great creak, the third Stalin passed brilliantly.

    where is the war of 1812?
  • poquello
    poquello 18 February 2016 14: 22
    0
    Quote: vlad_vlad
    what can I say, completing the survey - the number of cons and lack of arguments speaks for itself. I sincerely wish the lovers of Stalin - the new Stalin, ...

    I wanted to wish you, but changed my mind
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 18 February 2016 17: 49
    +1
    you will not believe, the current liberals dream of Stalin most of all, they are so selflessly looking for Putin’s gold that they will definitely be satisfied with a ruler with 4 pipes and a pair of boots. soldier but do not be offended by the minuses - as they asked the question, they got it. Provocateurs do not really like hi Do you have dogs like spies, not provocateurs? repeat
  • Villon
    Villon 19 February 2016 00: 14
    +1
    Quote: vlad_vlad
    What can I say, completing the survey - the number of cons and the lack of arguments speaks for itself. I sincerely wish the lovers of Stalin - a new Stalin, and the "non-lovers" - have time to dump when this new one comes.

    Are you going to dump?
  • vlad_vlad
    vlad_vlad 19 February 2016 12: 55
    0
    no, I'm not going to - already dumped
    fellow
  • Fat
    Fat 18 February 2016 05: 41
    +4
    Khrushchev's amnesty.
    On 17 of September 1955, people who collaborated with the occupiers during the Great Patriotic War were amnestied. The decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR “On Amnesty for Soviet Citizens Cooperating with the Invaders during the Great Patriotic War of the 1941 — 1945” was published in the “Bulletin of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR” 1955, No. 17, p. 345.
    It was decided to release from places of imprisonment and from other punishment measures persons sentenced to up to 10 years in prison, inclusive of those committed during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. aiding the enemy and other crimes under Art. Art. 58-1, 58-3, 58-4, 58-6, 58-10, 58-12 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR and the corresponding articles of the criminal codes of other union republics.
    Persons convicted of service in the German army, police and special German formations were exempted from further serving deprivation of liberty, exile and expulsion, regardless of the term of punishment.
    The criminal prosecution for crimes committed during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, provided for by Art. Art. 58-1, 58-3, 58-4, 58-6, 58-10, 58-12 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR and the corresponding articles of the criminal codes of other union republics
    .
    Thumbs up too, right? As a result of Khrushchev’s amnesty, those who nurtured the current nationalists, Bandera, and UPA admirers crawled around the country.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 18 February 2016 12: 40
    -1
    Quote: Thick On 17 of September 1955, people who collaborated with the occupiers during the Great Patriotic War were amnestied. The decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR “On Amnesty for Soviet Citizens Cooperating with the Invaders during the Great Patriotic War of the 1941 — 1945” was published in the “Bulletin of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR” 1955, No. 17, p. 345.

    The film immediately came to my mind: "Cold summer of XNUMX ...". Wonderful actors, but they played, in fact, a total scum.
    And liberals of all stripes keep silent, the Bereevskaya amnesty is not because it is "Bereevskaya", and they praise the "Khrushchevskaya" not because they adore Khrushchev, but because the brothers in reason have been released, albeit the forest ones. happiness ", like the Vlasovites.
    Traitor, traitor feels from afar. The emotional impulses are the same. How did Rezun sing praises to Vlasov and Penkovsky, eh? From one gov (test) to made.
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 19 February 2016 16: 32
    +2
    And with me - no one was sitting. And like most of them.
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  • gergi
    gergi 18 February 2016 12: 57
    +2
    Take an interest in statistics, with whom the population has increased, with whom it has decreased. Consider wars, geopolitics, do not forget to turn on the brain. You will find the answers to your questions. Self-search for answers can be very interesting. Recommend
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 18 February 2016 16: 59
    0
    Two grandfathers fought, two in the rear, one metallurgist, a labor hero, a chess player, a beekeeper, still surviving, the second carpenter married to a Volga German woman (in exile), yes, one of the fighters - the collective farm chairman volunteered, the NKVD, investigator, agitator.
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 20 February 2016 11: 13
    0
    Quote: vlad_vlad
    They have one - no one in the family was sitting

    And what are few families with someone sitting in modern Russia? and how many died?
  • Alexx kruglov
    Alexx kruglov 17 February 2016 23: 02
    13
    You thoughtlessly (without even bothering to study the facts and documents) broadcast the LIBERAL LIE about "millions repressed by Stalin" that has been pouring in rivers for the last 25 years on the Great Name of Stalin from the filthy West:
    In February 1954, a certificate was prepared in the name of N. S. Khrushchev, signed by the Prosecutor General of the USSR R. Rudenko, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR S. Kruglov and the Minister of Justice of the USSR K. Gorshenin, in which the number of people convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes was named, for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954. According to this certificate, in total during this period 3 people were condemned by the OGPU Collegium, the NKVD troikas, the Special Meeting, the Military Collegium, courts and military tribunals, including 777 people were sentenced to death, and to detention in camps and prisons for a period of 380 years and below - 642 people, to exile and deportation - 980 people. Please note that these are statistics for 25 years.

    Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/50194-stalinskie-repressii-realnye-cifry.html
    Politikus.ru

    and here is the "shock" demography of the Russian nation of Stalin's time, into which the liberal Western lie about the "millions of repressed" simply DOESN'T fit:

    The population of the USSR under Stalin increased from 136,8 million in 1920 to 208,8 million in 1959.
    The population of the RSFSR increased from approximately 87,8 million in 1923 to 106,7 million. in 1953, i.e. 22%
    The number of Russians (Great Russians, Little Russians, and Belarusians) during Stalin's rule increased according to censuses by an average of 1,3–1,5 million per year.
    1926 - 113,7 million
    1939 - 133 million
    1959 - 159,3 million

    Since 1991, FOR 25 YEARS OF THE LIBERASTIC GENOCIDE OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE IN POVERTY, UNEMPLOYMENT, DRUG, ALCOHOLISM, AIDS, AND WESTERN BROKEN KILLED OVER 30 MILLION RUSSIAN PEOPLE:

    during the reign of Yeltsin, the population of Russia (which is approximately equal to the number of Russians in the USSR in 1990) decreased by 5,7 million people,

    during the reign of Putin-Medvedev-by 7,5 million people!

    The total demographic loss over the past 25 years, taking into account the unborn, amounted to 31,3 million people!

    SO WHO IS THE "MILLION KILLER" ?!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 February 2016 23: 55
      -2
      "During Yeltsin's rule, the population of Russia (which is approximately equal to the number of Russians in the USSR in 1990) decreased by 5,7 million people,

      during the reign of Putin-Medvedev - already by 7,5 million people. "! - In 1990 the population of Russia was - 147665081 people, in 2010 142856536 people, in 2016 the population of Russia was 146519759 people - something with your official figures the statistics do not fit in any way, and there is no need to drag those who were not born here - no one knows how many of them in reality could have been born.
      1. Alexx kruglov
        Alexx kruglov 18 February 2016 00: 00
        +8
        stupidly due to the accession of the 2,5 millionth Crimea, and not due to an increase in the birth rate - kill the Crimea, compare it with the RSFSR of 1990 and get a real result.
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 18 February 2016 06: 00
          +2
          Quote: Alexx Kruglov
          stupidly due to the accession of 2,5 million Crimea, and not due to increased birth rates

          To this we must also add emigrants from Ukraine and other former union republics - this is another 2-3 million.
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    2. avva2012
      avva2012 18 February 2016 05: 24
      11
      In addition to I.V. Stalin, who can better say about IV Stalin?
      “No, we are doing the right thing so severely punishing nationalists of all stripes and colors. They are the best helpers of our enemies and the worst enemies of their own peoples. After all, the cherished dream of nationalists is to fragment the Soviet Union into separate “national” states, and then it will become easy prey for enemies. The majority of the peoples living in the Soviet Union will be physically exterminated, while the rest will turn into dumb and miserable slaves of the conquerors. ”

      “Comrades, let me raise another, last toast. I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people, and above all the Russian people ... I drink, first of all, - continued Stalin, - to the health of the Russian people because it is the most outstanding nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union. I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because they have earned general recognition in this war as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country. I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have a clear mind, a strong character, and patience. Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in the 1941-1942 years, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad Region, the Baltic States, the Karelian-Finnish Republic, left because there was no other way. Other people could say to the government: you did not live up to our expectations, go away, we will set up another government that will conclude peace with Germany and provide us with peace. But the Russian people did not go for it, for they believed in the correctness of the policy of their government and made sacrifices to ensure the defeat of Germany. And this confidence of the Russian people in the Soviet government turned out to be the decisive force that ensured a historic victory over the enemy of mankind - over fascism. Thanks to him, the Russian people, for this trust! ”
  • rul
    rul 18 February 2016 00: 28
    +4
    What can you say about Ivan IV - a reformer and collector of Russian lands, and at the same time he introduced the oprichnina from which a lot of the population suffered directly and indirectly? Even more interesting will be your analysis of Peter I - who cut through the "window" to Europe on the strengthening of the monarch's power, reforms and numerous bones of almost a quarter of the population of Russia. Can we also equate these periods with the disadvantages of Russian statehood? Give an answer, then we will speculate about Stalin.
  • Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 05: 15
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    his board had much more minuses than pluses.

    Quote: Vadim237
    I am waiting for reasoned objections in my statement

    You first give a reasoned statement
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 18 February 2016 05: 33
      10
      About I.V. Stalin a few memories.
      From the memoirs of one of the guards of Stalin A. Rybin.
      Stalin’s trips were often accompanied by the guard of Tukov. He sat in the front seat next to the driver and used to fall asleep on the way. One of the members of the Politburo, who was traveling with Stalin in the back seat, remarked:
      - Comrade Stalin, I don’t understand which of you protects whom?
      “What is this,” replied Joseph Vissarionovich, “he also stuck his gun in my raincoat for me - take them, just in case!”

      In the fall of 1936, a rumor spread in the West that Joseph Stalin had died of a serious illness. Charles Nitter, a correspondent for the Associated Press news agency, decided to get information from the most reliable source. He went to the Kremlin, where he handed over a letter to Stalin in which he asked: to confirm or deny this rumor.
      Stalin replied to the journalist immediately: "Dear sir! As far as I know, from the reports of the foreign press, I have long since left this sinful world and moved to the next world. As you cannot but treat the reports of the foreign press with confidence if you do not want to be deleted from list of civilized people, then I ask you to believe these messages and not disturb my peace in the silence of the other world.
      October 26, 1936. Sincerely, I. Stalin ".

      Once foreign correspondents asked Stalin:
      - Why is Mount Ararat depicted on the coat of arms of Armenia, because it is not located on the territory of Armenia?
      Stalin replied:
      - The crescent moon is depicted on the coat of arms of Turkey, but it is also not located in Turkey.

      Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army A.M. Vasilevsky showed Stalin a whole folder of blunders on Army General I.D. Chernyakhovsky. It was about them that he had many women.
      "What do we do?" Vasilevsky asked.
      "What are we going to do? What are we going to do? We will envy!"
      "Day and night they smashed Stalin,
      He’s so and so a bit,
      But only dross flew away
      As it stood, so it stands ... "
  • gergi
    gergi 18 February 2016 12: 43
    +1
    First, specify what peoples, number, where, who ordered, who performed, and documented please. And then, as in the State Department, they bomb the hospital, and the evidence is classified. Let's get the facts. Or arguments.
  • Wheel
    Wheel 17 February 2016 22: 22
    +6
    Quote: Vadim237
    but don’t tell me how many people were killed under him

    And how many?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 February 2016 23: 25
      -16 qualifying.
      Repressions, dispossession of kulaks, a profane start of the war, hunger or lack of food, due to the adoption in 1932 of an overstated plan for grain procurement, the "Garanin shootings" as an example of treatment of prisoners - people were treated like vegetables and the losses were huge from 32 to 45 - How many exactly died from, to put it mildly, unreasoned government actions, we will never know, and my attitude towards a person who did not even come to the funeral of his mother, Ekaterina Dzhugashvili, is purely negative.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 17 February 2016 23: 53
        +8
        Quote: Vadim237
        Repressions, dispossession of kulaks, a profane start of the war, hunger or lack of food, due to the adoption in 1932 of an overstated plan for grain procurement, the "Garanin shootings" as an example of treatment of prisoners - people were treated like vegetables and the losses were huge from 32 to 45 - how many exactly died from, to put it mildly, unreasoned government actions, we will never know

        Gathered in a bunch of horses, people ...
        Let’s all the same turn to specifics, to numbers, everything else is emotions.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 February 2016 00: 18
          -22 qualifying.
          Numerous repressions - from 11 to 30 million people - they affected all spheres of society and government, Famine - 6 million people, War - 28 million people, and here also add numerous resettlement of peoples - all these numbers are raw and alas, not final - for the people time Stalin's rule was bloody enough.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 18 February 2016 00: 46
            12
            Quote: Vadim237
            Numerous repressions - from 11 to 30 million people - they affected all spheres of society and government

            1 February 1954 city
            To the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Comrade Khrushchev N.S.
            In connection with the signals received by a number of persons from the CPSU Central Committee about the illegal conviction for counter-revolutionary crimes in previous years by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military Collegium, the courts and military tribunals, and in accordance with your instructions on the need to review cases against convicted persons for counterrevolutionary crimes and currently held in camps and prisons, we report: during the period from 1921 to the present, 3.777.380 people have been convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes, including 642.980 people for VMN NIJ in camps and prisons for a period of 25 years and below - 2.369.220, in exile and expulsion - 765.180 people.

            Of the total number of convicts, tentatively, the following were convicted: 2.900.000 people - by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika and the Special Conference and 877.000 people - by the courts, military tribunals, the Special Collegium and the Military Collegium.

            ... It should be noted that created by the Decree of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR from November 5 of November 1934 of the year, the Special Conference of the NKVD of the USSR, which lasted until September 1 of 1953 of the year, sentenced 442.531 people, including 10.101 people to VMN, to imprisonment - 360.921 person, to exile and expulsion (within the country) - 57.539 person and to other penalties (offsetting the time spent in custody, expulsion abroad, forced treatment) - 3.970 person ...
            Attorney General R. Rudenko
            Minister of the Interior S. Kruglov
            Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin
            Quote: Vadim237
            Hunger - 6 million people

            Who is bigger?
            HISTORY OF LIGHTING THE HUNGER 1932-1933
            One of the earliest Western press campaigns against the Soviet Union was the continually circulated question of the millions who starved to death in Ukraine. The English journalist M. Muggeridge was the first in the West to publish a report on the famine in the USSR. In the last decade of March 1933, in the Manchester Guardian newspaper, he spoke about his impressions of his trip to Ukraine and the North Caucasus. Muggeridge described terrible scenes of famine among the rural population, witnessed the mass death of peasants, but did not give specific figures. On March 31, 1933, a refutation appeared in the Manchester Guardian newspaper entitled "Russians are starving, but do not die of hunger." It was written by the New York Times correspondent in Moscow W. Duranty, an Englishman by birth and citizenship, who managed to interview Stalin. In August 1933, the New York Herald Tribune published an article by Ralph Barnes claiming that a million people died of starvation. Further, the figure grew by leaps and bounds. Duranty in the New York Times hinted that the death toll is at least 2 million. A day later, in the same newspaper, F. Burchell reported 4 million dead. Therefore, due to the falsity of the information and the biased coverage of the famine in the above-mentioned articles, foreign journalists were prohibited from traveling to the regions affected by the famine. In 1934 W. Chamberlin, who had time to visit Ukraine and the North Caucasus on the instructions of the editorial board, published the book "The Iron Age of Russia" in Boston. In it, he stated that the famine covered an area with a population of 60 million, and the number of victims was 3-4 million. A large anti-Soviet campaign began on February 18, 1935 with the headline of the front page in the Chicago American: “6 million people died of hunger in the Soviet Union ".
            1. poquello
              poquello 18 February 2016 02: 10
              -6
              Quote: Wheel
              .
              Who is bigger?
              HISTORY OF LIGHTING THE HUNGER 1932-1933
              One of the earliest Western press campaigns against the Soviet Union was the continually circulated question of the millions who starved to death in Ukraine. The English journalist M. Muggeridge was the first in the West to publish a report on the famine in the USSR. In the last decade of March 1933, in the Manchester Guardian newspaper, he spoke about his impressions of his trip to Ukraine and the North Caucasus. Muggeridge described terrible scenes of famine among the rural population, witnessed the mass death of peasants, but did not give specific numbers ...

              Che and all lied?
              “In the thirty-third year, they ate the quinoa. Hands, feet swollen, dying on the go "

              http://mikle1.livejournal.com/2085488.html
            2. Shadowcat
              Shadowcat 18 February 2016 03: 24
              +7
              Recommend.
              Fraud, famine and fascism
              The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard
              by Douglas Tottle
              Published 1987 in Canada
              I'll even give you a reference
              http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm
              It is on this photo 41 pages.
              P.S. Photo greetings from Natsik.
            3. poquello
              poquello 18 February 2016 13: 36
              -4
              Quote: ShadowCat
              .
              P.S. Photo greetings from Natsik.

              Ay Ay, if the photo Natsik printed us no way.
            4. Shadowcat
              Shadowcat 18 February 2016 13: 49
              +4
              Blurted out. well done.
              Now erase it - the photo does not apply to the period in question. Pay attention to the form. - Overcoats, caps of the PMV period. (20 years since it ended, Karl! Rarity yopt)
              But the argument is that the photo was used in a Nazi propaganda newspaper in 1933 by Uncle Yosei.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkischer_Beobachter
            5. poquello
              poquello 18 February 2016 14: 32
              -2
              Quote: ShadowCat
              Blurted out. well done.
              Now erase it - the photo does not apply to the period in question. Pay attention to the form. - Overcoats, caps of the PMV period. (20 years since it ended, Karl! Rarity yopt)
              But the argument is that the photo was used in a Nazi propaganda newspaper in 1933 by Uncle Yosei.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkischer_Beobachter

              I followed the link - I didn’t see the photo, but it doesn’t matter, the photo may be left, hunger doesn’t cancel it. Or do you say that there was no famine, and the bourgeoisie came up with a ditty?
              PySy and this is generally an overcoat?
            6. Shadowcat
              Shadowcat 18 February 2016 14: 42
              +1
              Strange, it did not load apparently. I'll try to duplicate.
              TopVar you sadden me ...
              http://imgur.com/WeNijfx

              Quote: poquello
              Or do you claim that there was no hunger

              Where do I claim that he was not?
              Or follow the conversation or do not fit. There was talk of repression and the special killing of citizens of the country.
              To you, as I am opposing a person who has taken a position, I give evidence that there was a combination of circumstances (which the government was trying to compensate), and not a special action.
              By the way, recalling one of the articles swell due to the use of low-quality grain, namely because of a fungus that affects it, or mold that develops due to improper storage.

              P.S. HZ, honestly
            7. poquello
              poquello 18 February 2016 16: 02
              -1
              Quote: ShadowCat
              .
              http://imgur.com/WeNijfx

              there is an English version of your presentation, not a newspaper, okay
              Quote: ShadowCat
              Quote: poquello
              Or do you claim that there was no hunger

              Where do I claim that he was not?
              Or follow the conversation or do not fit.

              Alle, garage.
              Quote: Wheel
              .
              Who is bigger?
              HISTORY OF LIGHTING THE HUNGER 1932-1933
              One of the first campaigns of the Western press against the Soviet Union was the continuously scrolling issue of millions of starvation

              it was not for you at all
            8. Shadowcat
              Shadowcat 20 February 2016 16: 05
              0
              Quote: poquello
              there is an English version of your presentation, not a newspaper, well

              If you are not satisfied with my source, go ahead to the German archive. The binder may have been preserved there. The binder may have been preserved in the Central Library of the Russian Federation, USA, etc.
              Quote: poquello
              Alle, garage.

              I ask you to contact correctly. Comrade Major General.
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 18 February 2016 04: 56
    +4
    No, I didn't lie, but why? There is only one "ambush", the reasons.
    Now one of the main products on which the Russian economy depends is oil, a fact known and uncontested. Everyone also knows about Western sanctions, about what caused the destruction of the USSR, I hope you know the same. Again, in the west with the participation of the Arabs, oil prices collapsed. Yes, the late USSR was also dependent on oil.
    We look at what the USSR economy depended on in the period 1920-1930. In the mid-1920s. West announced the so-called "Golden blockade", which blocked the export of gold from the USSR.
    West blocked the export of many traditional goods from the USSR, encouraging the export of grain only. The aim was, first of all, to strangle the USSR with the help of hunger. Plus, of course, as now, the information war! Sanctions, they are "darlings", not invented now!
  • poquello
    poquello 18 February 2016 13: 53
    -1
    Quote: Red_Hamer
    ... Sanctions, they are "darlings", not invented now!

    so there was no collectivization or horses?
  • Wheel
    Wheel 18 February 2016 00: 49
    +5
    Quote: Vadim237
    War - 28 million people

    Yeah, and each of them was personally shot by Stalin ...
    Quote: Vadim237
    here also add numerous migrations

    According to the laws of wartime, almost all of these peoples were to be shot, they were humanely resettled ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 18 February 2016 01: 34
      -3
      Quote: Wheel
      .
      According to the laws of wartime, almost all of these peoples were to be shot, they were humanely resettled ...

      and families of enemies of the people under what laws?
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 18 February 2016 03: 16
      +1
      Art. 58-8 UK RSFSR
  • asiat_61
    asiat_61 18 February 2016 04: 21
    +1
    Famine Stalin organized?
    1. poquello
      poquello 18 February 2016 13: 32
      +1
      Quote: asiat_61
      Famine Stalin organized?

      Here, some comrades believe that they organized the bourgeoisie as a blockade, confusing the immoral sale of grain abroad with the very cause of hunger - and specifically with an unreasoned breakdown in the way of agriculture.
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 18 February 2016 14: 35
      0
      And then I had a facepalm.
      You at least to support your pants bring digits.
      I’m arguing with partners, I read that export was about 1% + help to the affected regions from the cataclysm. (The USSR was so cruel that it supplied grain to the needy).
      Quote: poquello
      breaking the way of agriculture.

      A break? haha ... he was broken by the collapse of the empire (there, between times, hunger loomed) and civil war.
      How much can (we embrace the terminology of the game as embracing most of the process) craft grain peasant? peasant with a horse? peasant with agricultural machinery?
    3. poquello
      poquello 18 February 2016 15: 45
      -1
      Quote: ShadowCat
      .
      I’m arguing with partners, I read that export was about 1% + help to the affected regions from the cataclysm. (The USSR was so cruel that it supplied grain to the needy).

      where is Germany you know better, in 1% or in need
      Quote: ShadowCat

      Quote: poquello
      breaking the way of agriculture.

      A break? haha ... he was broken by the collapse of the empire

      took it myself and fell apart?
      Quote: ShadowCat

      How much can (we embrace the terminology of the game as embracing most of the process) craft grain peasant? peasant with a horse? peasant with agricultural machinery?

      peasant? the kulaks worked, they were exhausted, but the collective farms did not provide grain and means of production
    4. avva2012
      avva2012 18 February 2016 16: 10
      0
      Quote: poquello and collective farms did not provide grain and means of production normally

      I always asked myself the question, "and with what means did the collective farmer build a tank or an airplane?"
      And the second question: "How is it that under the collective farm system, in the Second World War, there was no hunger and the food card was removed in December 1947, but in England, a little later?"
    5. poquello
      poquello 18 February 2016 16: 52
      +2
      Quote: avva2012
      Quote: poquello and collective farms did not provide grain and means of production normally

      I always asked myself the question, "and with what means did the collective farmer build a tank or an airplane?"
      And the second question: "How is it that under the collective farm system, in the Second World War, there was no hunger and the food card was removed in December 1947, but in England, a little later?"

      probably they didn’t understand that, the collective farms did not reap a normal crop because they were not fully provided with grain, horses and equipment, they had already poked their fists, they started eating the crops and then went hungry, it was not about the collective farm
    6. avva2012
      avva2012 18 February 2016 16: 59
      +2
      Quote: poquello the collective farms did not harvest a normal crop because they were not fully provided with grain, horses and machinery, they had already poked their fists, started eating the crops and then went hungry, it was not about the collective farm

      A man is always the last thing you do. But, after all, they managed to cope with excesses on time and provide the city with food, and there was no more hunger in the village.
    7. poquello
      poquello 19 February 2016 01: 24
      +1
      Quote: avva2012
      Quote: poquello the collective farms did not harvest a normal crop because they were not fully provided with grain, horses and machinery, they had already poked their fists, started eating the crops and then went hungry, it was not about the collective farm

      A man is always the last thing you do. But, after all, they managed to cope with excesses on time and provide the city with food, and there was no more hunger in the village.

      a bent farmer - let a million peasant farms go around the world, then yes - the collective farms and the Second World War showed themselves very well, but all this hard worker was completely unjustified at the time of transition
    8. avva2012
      avva2012 19 February 2016 06: 21
      +2
      Quote: poquello a bent farmer - let a million peasant farms go around the world, then yes - the collective farms and the Second World War showed themselves very well, but all this hard worker was completely unjustified at the time of transition

      What does it mean "to let the world go." You read, straight tears rolling in the eye.
      That there were three categories of dispossessed, do you know?
      The first category was treated the most severely. That is, "who actively resisted the Soviet regime.
      Mass operations to eliminate the "kulaks" began in February 1930. "In 1930, 115231 families were evicted, in 1931 - 265795. In two years, therefore, 381 thousand families were sent to the North, to the Urals, Siberia and Kazakhstan. Some of the kulak families (200-250 thousand) managed to" self-dispossess " , that is, sell or abandon your property and flee to cities or construction sites. " In 1932 and after, no special eviction campaigns were conducted. On May 8, 1933, practically, the "repression" ended.
      The above data refer to categories 1 and 2 of kulaks and their families. And then something very interesting happens. Category 3: "subject to resettlement by special settlements within the areas of their former residence", that's the problem, the official statistics did not take into account... And, here, anti-communists, expanse. As you want, count it. Figures, however, more or less honest researchers, cite with the word, "about": from 1 mln. to 1 mln. 100 thousand farms. This is the arithmetic.
    9. poquello
      poquello 19 February 2016 12: 38
      -1
      Quote: avva2012
      ... here, anti-communists, expanse. As you want, count it. Figures, however, more or less honest researchers, cite with the word, "about": from 1 mln. to 1 mln. 100 thousand farms. This is the arithmetic.

      The largest grain producer in 1914, half of the farms have 3 horses, and in 1932 there is hunger, that's all arithmetic.
    10. avva2012
      avva2012 19 February 2016 14: 40
      0
      Quote: poquelloThe largest grain producer in 1914, half of the farms have 3 horses, and in 1932 there is hunger, that's all arithmetic.

      In 1932, the famine was not only in Russia, but also in Poland and Romania. Also did the Bolsheviks arrange? Oh, about three horses.
      Have you been in the village at least once? Can you imagine how much the horse is eating? Yes, not just hay straw. Grain is needed, but it is expensive. Ah, caring for a horse? This is not chicken. If the sweaty horse is not wiped, then pneumonia, death. Do you have any idea how much the horse cost then? You are apparently a deeply urban resident. And why should the peasant have three! horses?
      Now, if he had hired workers (laborers) then yes. Could hold. And by the way, that barefoot that came from the city in leather jackets, she did not understand anything in rural life. Therefore, this marker was explained to them. If the peasant has one horse, then he is prosperous, but ours. And, if more, then alas, a fist. That is, in your opinion, it turns out that half of the peasants had three horses, and half of the peasants, on their laborer? Well, then for sure, it was necessary to dispossess. Here, such arithmetic.
    11. poquello
      poquello 19 February 2016 16: 36
      +1
      So about what I’m talking about - kulak farms, set production, together with the landowners half of their grain and everything under the rink of the proletariat, with the middle peasants of which zealous party workers also seized more than half of all grain produced. If there are three horses, then not the poor.
      Quote: avva2012
      ... by the way, that barefoot that came from the city in leather jackets, she did not understand anything in rural life. Therefore, this marker was explained to them. If the peasant has one horse, then he is prosperous, but ours. And, if more, then alas, a fist. That is, in your opinion, it turns out that half of the peasants had three horses, and half of the peasants, on their laborer? Well, then for sure, it was necessary to dispossess. Here, such arithmetic.

      Moscow rose on tithing under the Tatar-Mongols, but these guys did not leave for sowing.
    12. avva2012
      avva2012 19 February 2016 17: 06
      +1
      Quote: poquello So about what I’m talking about - kulak farms, set production, together with the landowners half of their grain and everything under the rink of the proletariat, with the middle peasants of which zealous party workers also seized more than half of all grain produced. If there are three horses, then not the poor.

      If there are three horses, then you already use hired labor. And, aware that hired labor was in the USSR, is prohibited? What if you have a peon, then this is just a felony? Like or dislike, but criminal offenses in any country are punished.
      At the expense of the proletariat. And how to make a technological revolution without increasing the very proletariat, which was 3% in RI? What to feed, if the fist, held the grain in 1929, "I was waiting for the best price." It turns out that the fists ran into the wrong person. What, then, to complain and to whom?
    13. poquello
      poquello 19 February 2016 18: 46
      0
      Quote: avva2012
      Quote: poquello So about what I’m talking about - kulak farms, set production, together with the landowners half of their grain and everything under the rink of the proletariat, with the middle peasants of which zealous party workers also seized more than half of all grain produced. If there are three horses, then not the poor.

      If there are three horses, then you already use hired labor. And, aware that hired labor was in the USSR, is prohibited? ....
      ....
      At the expense of the proletariat. And how to make a technological revolution without increasing the very proletariat, which was 3% in RI? What to feed, if the fist, held the grain in 1929, "I was waiting for the best price." It turns out that the fists ran into the wrong person. What, then, to complain and to whom?

      not a fact, but nevertheless, what law are you for lawmakers? As decided would be so.
      The factories would overtake the poor, even if forcibly, but this would have lesser protest.
      It doesn’t work, not all the fists went to negotiations with a sawn-off shotgun, would have agreed, but had not agreed with the Mauser.
    14. avva2012
      avva2012 20 February 2016 06: 41
      0
      Quote: poquello not a fact, but nevertheless, what law are you for lawmakers? As decided would be so.

      The revolution was socialist! the basis is taken the rejection of the exploitation of man by man. That is, hiring a laborer is an undermining of the state principles. Even now there are criminal articles and they are punished for them not childishly.
      The factories would overtake the poor, even if forcibly, but this would have lesser protest.

      It turns out that you are still the same Zhukov. laughing Give you free rein, it is necessary, "to drive the poor." sad So, I’ll tell you a secret, most of the peasants were poor. An individual in the western regions, GDG, is still tied to a goat. She eats grass around herself, she is tied to another place. Have you been to the chernozem zone of the Russian Federation? Earth free seen a lot?
      It doesn’t work, not all the fists went to negotiations with a sawn-off shotgun, would have agreed, but had not agreed with the Mauser.

      This suggests that the kulaks already had their own organization, with which they were secret. And which state will tolerate such things? Yes, and ask yourself, who is this fist? Why is this a popular name? If the fist was revered and loved by the peasantry, then why is it not a different name? Yes, and what percentage of kulaks was among the whole peasantry, and why?
    15. carbine
      carbine 20 February 2016 09: 25
      0
      Quote: avva2012
      The revolution was socialist! the basis is taken the rejection of the exploitation of man by man.

      How are you feeling? Why did you decide that the barbaric exploitation of man, not by man, but by an organized structure (state), is this something so socially good? Did the Bolsheviks tell you that? Have you tried to think with your own head?
      Quote: avva2012
      That is, hiring a laborer is an undermining of the state principles. Even now there are criminal articles and they are punished for them not childishly.

      Yeah Wage labor has been the foundation of any prosperous economy for many centuries.
    16. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 20 February 2016 22: 40
      +1
      Quote: carbine
      Why did you decide that the barbaric exploitation of man, not by man, but by an organized structure (state), is this something so socially good?

      Do you think that a person is better?
    17. carbine
      carbine 20 February 2016 23: 09
      +1
      Quote: ShadowCat
      Do you think that a person is better?

      You do not jump off the topic. And do not translate the arrows. Since we decided to explain why it is good and correct to exploit a person’s organized structure (state), then explain.
      And do not forget to explain why under tsarism such an organized structure (state) was not good, while under "socialism" such an organized structure (state) was supposedly terribly good. Try to somehow justify this Soviet pseudoscientific nonsense, if you can.
      Also, if you want, you can strain and explain why the clerk working for the merchant is so bad, and the manager working for the organized structure (state) is so good.
    18. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 21 February 2016 16: 57
      +1
      Quote: carbine
      And do not forget to explain why under tsarism such an organized structure (state) was not good

      1. Irregular working hours
      2. Lack of accessible education
      3. Lack of social guarantees.
      Quote: carbine
      and under "socialism" such an organized structure (state) was supposedly terribly good.

      1. For the first time in the world, an 8-hour work day, 5-day work week
      2. For the first time in the world, education has become available to everyone
      3. For the first time in the world, a social package

      Quote: carbine
      you can strain and explain

      I'm lazy. Explain.
    19. carbine
      carbine 21 February 2016 17: 13
      0
      Quote: ShadowCat
      1. Irregular working hours
      2. Lack of accessible education
      3. Lack of social guarantees.

      It's funny. No, really funny. Especially about the working day and social guarantees. Do not forget to remember that a person was obliged to work under "socialism", but he could not quit (under Stalinism). And he could not escape from work, for this he was supposed to be in prison. Only if to a shock construction site or to a mine. Or to the zone, of course. So much for all the "social guarantees".
      Quote: ShadowCat
      1. For the first time in the world, an 8-hour work day, 5-day work week
      2. For the first time in the world, education has become available to everyone
      3. For the first time in the world, a social package

      Lord WHEN? How are you feeling? By the time the 40-hour labor week was introduced in the USSR, the entire civilized world had long lived under such laws. And they introduced it after the first jump in oil prices occurred.
      And under Dzhugashvili, the working week was 6 days + 1 day off (decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR "On the transition to an eight-hour working day, a seven-day working week and the prohibition of unauthorized departure of workers and employees from enterprises and institutions" of June 26, 1940) . At 8 hour working day. And for being late for more than 21 minutes, a prison was supposed to.
      So much for the "social package". In the form of a bowl of gruel and place on wooden planks.
    20. poquello
      poquello 21 February 2016 19: 33
      +1
      Quote: carbine
      ... And for being late for more than 21 minutes, a prison was supposed.
      So much for the "social package". In the form of a bowl of gruel and place on wooden planks.

      about lateness there are some doubts, it is either not so or it was not fulfilled
    21. carbine
      carbine 21 February 2016 19: 51
      +1
      Quote: poquello
      about lateness there are some doubts, it is either not so or it was not fulfilled

      I agree in you. The fact is that information is from the Internet. And there may be inaccuracies, of course. For absenteeism without justifiable reason, they indicted for sure. And punished by labor at the place of work for up to 6 months with deduction from wages up to 25%. In addition, there is information on the Internet that absenteeism was considered late for more than 21 minutes. I will not argue this, the source is the same, the Internet.
      In addition, for the unauthorized abandonment of the enterprise or institution, the employee was sentenced to a prison term of 2 months to 4 months upon the verdict of the people's court. Apparently, it was not early leaving work that was meant, but leaving him altogether.
    22. poquello
      poquello 22 February 2016 02: 01
      0
      Quote: carbine
      Quote: poquello
      about lateness there are some doubts, it is either not so or it was not fulfilled

      I agree in you. The fact is that information is from the Internet. And there may be inaccuracies, of course. ...

      Internet is a thing. There is about reptilians fighting UFOs in Syria, and there are also books of eyewitnesses of historical events, their recollections - here you can somehow use your memoirs to navigate what happened when, but approximately.
    23. carbine
      carbine 22 February 2016 02: 15
      0
      Quote: poquello
      Internet is a thing.

      In fact, the only mistake there was that the punishment for being late for more than 20 minutes was not imprisonment, but correctional labor with a deduction of 25% of earnings. But there was a punishment for such a "crime".
      But for the fact that he left the enterprise without the permission of the administration, a prison was supposed. From 2 to 4 months.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 21 February 2016 22: 38
    0
    Quote: carbine
    Do not forget to remember that a person was obliged to work under "socialism"

    But under capitalism, no? However
    Quote: carbine
    but he could not quit (under Stalinism).

    Where is such nonsense from?
    Quote: carbine
    And he could not run away from work, a prison was supposed to.

    And now the street. However, you are wrong.
    Meanwhile, in pursuit of a long ruble, negligent workers constantly switched from one enterprise to another. One of the loopholes for such "flyers" was the rule of automatic dismissal for absenteeism. To rectify the situation, the Decree of June 26, 1940 was adopted.
    According to the order of the People's Commissar of Justice of the USSR and the Prosecutor of the USSR No. 84/133 of July 22, 1940, workers and employees who were more than 20 minutes late without good reason after a lunch break or unauthorized departure from work earlier than 20 minutes before a lunch break or the end of the working day should also be brought to justice, as for absenteeism, in part 2 of article 5 of the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of June 26, 1940
    Thus, for absenteeism and an equal lateness of more than 20 minutes, up to six months of corrective labor at the place of work with a deduction of up to 25% of earnings were supposed. That is, negligent workers did not go to prisons and camps, but were punished by the ruble, while continuing to work at their workplace.

    Although this applies to 1940, more precisely to the decree of the Presidium of June 26, 1940. Prior to this, they simply fired (which is quite normal because there is discipline at any job) and some irresponsible citizens ran from factory to factory to receive a salary.
    Or do you think that someone should feed loafers and loafers?

    Quote: carbine
    By the time the 40-hour labor week was introduced in the USSR, the entire civilized world had long lived under such laws.

    You are a true Liberoid! Beautifully distort and rewrite the words.
    Before the USSR in the Russian Empire 60-70 hours at 6 days. In the USSR, after October, 8 hours / day at 48 hours of workweek. After lowered yet.
    In 1940, due to the increasing complexity of the world situation, they returned to 48 hours.

    Quote: carbine
    And for being late for more than 21 minutes, a prison was supposed to.

    Give an example of your leaning
  • poquello
    poquello 22 February 2016 01: 45
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat
    .
    You are a true Liberoid! Beautifully distort and rewrite the words.
    Before the USSR in the Russian Empire 60-70 hours at 6 days. In the USSR, after October, 8 hours / day at 48 hours of workweek. After lowered yet.
    In 1940, due to the increasing complexity of the world situation, they returned to 48 hours.
    ....

    )))) RI 1897-11,5 hours per day 1913 - 10 1917 - 8,5 and 91 holidays per year
  • carbine
    carbine 22 February 2016 02: 10
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat
    Where is such nonsense from?

    From the Decree of June 26, 1940. If the employee’s administration did not let go, then he himself could not quit. And if he escaped, then he was supposed to be judged. From 2 to 4 months in prison.
    Quote: ShadowCat
    However, you are wrong.

    "5. To establish that workers and employees who have left state, cooperative and public enterprises or institutions without permission are brought to trial and, by the verdict of the people's court, are imprisoned for a term of 2 to 4 months."
    Quote: ShadowCat
    Or do you think that someone should feed loafers and loafers?

    This is none of your business. And it’s not up to the authorities. Do not distort. These are people, not cattle. And the Stalinists turned them into disenfranchised cattle. In slaves.
    Quote: ShadowCat
    Give an example of your leaning

    I agree, I was mistaken, I wrote incorrectly. Not a prison, but forced labor with deduction from earnings of 25%. How absent-minded.
    Quote: ShadowCat
    Before the USSR in the Russian Empire 60-70 hours at 6 days.

    Soon you will add up to 168 hour week with 7 days. Even corvee under the serf system was three days. Subject to all holidays. And under "socialism" corvee became six days old. Great achievement.
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  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 19 February 2016 16: 41
    +3
    I read somewhere that during the "Great Depression" in America 8 million people died of hunger. So where was the real glamor?
  • poquello
    poquello 19 February 2016 19: 02
    0
    Quote: Old Warrior
    I read somewhere that during the "Great Depression" in America 8 million people died of hunger. So where was the real glamor?

    no one claims that it was a brilliant idea to get out of depression
  • carbine
    carbine 20 February 2016 09: 29
    0
    Quote: Old Warrior
    I read somewhere that during the "Great Depression" in America 8 million people died of hunger.

    Not 8, but 888. This is reliable information from the Internet. On one site it was written.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 20 February 2016 16: 16
    0
    GosStat America is godlessly lying. But don't get used to it ...
  • carbine
    carbine 20 February 2016 18: 52
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat
    GosStat America is godlessly lying. But don't get used to it ...

    Do not get used to internet lies. Incl. and on this topic. Moreover, the so-called. "Goskomstat of America" ​​says nothing on this topic at all. Just reflects the numbers, no comment.
    You would be stupid rumors like an old grandmother on a bench would not spread. They would have looked more solid. And then, they heard a ringing, but did not understand what he was talking about.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 20 February 2016 22: 47
    0
    But you do it)
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  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 20 February 2016 16: 11
    0
    Quote: avva2012
    In 1932, famine was not only in Russia, but also in Poland and Romania.

    and CCA. - 7mln not fit into the economy. Damned Bolsheviks.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 20 February 2016 16: 18
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat and CCA. - 7mln not fit into the economy. Damned Bolsheviks.

    There were a lot of things. Including millions, they worked for the stew. But they’re talking about this, no, but about us, yes. And, to hell with them, let them say, only that’s what infuriates us, that our TV.A.R.I., not just sing along, but also add it with pleasure!
  • carbine
    carbine 20 February 2016 18: 55
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat
    7 million do not fit into the economy. Damned Bolsheviks.

    Already 7? You have already decided on the number of victims of the hated bourgeois regime. And ascribe to the back. To escalate horror. It will turn out very well. And ideologically true. And terribly enough. And what is 7 million? A trifle.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 21 February 2016 16: 59
    +1
    About 7 million according to the statistics of the American guest. If I am mistaken, explain where the people disappeared. They could not evaporate.
  • carbine
    carbine 21 February 2016 17: 33
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat
    About 7 million according to the statistics of the American guest. If I am mistaken, explain where the people disappeared. They could not evaporate.

    The local State Statistics Committee did not give any "evaporated people".
    These "Internet prospectors" calculated that if the population growth during the Depression had been the same as before it, the population of the USA by the end of the Depression would have been 8,5 million people. more. At the same time, during the Depression due to the entry / exit of the population increased by 3 million less than it was before the Depression. Those. loss of population from all other factors (including mostly less giving birth) were 5,5 million people. But how many of these 5,5 million died of hunger and committed suicide, it is not known. I don’t think there are very many, although I think there were some. I have not seen a photo of American goners in the internet. "Poor American homeless people during the Great Depression" in the photo looks quite well-fed, although in places and ragged. In contrast to the photos of the Soviet starving people.
    Here is such arithmetic there, as far as I know. In general, take an interest in the internet yourself.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 21 February 2016 22: 45
    0
    Internet explorer although screenshots lead.
    Quote: carbine
    In general, take an interest in the internet yourself.

    I was interested and see about the approximate 7 million evaporated. You give links so that they appear?
  • carbine
    carbine 22 February 2016 02: 22
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat
    You give links so that they appear?

    What are the links? What are you talking about? How are you feeling?
    If we continue about these 5,5 million, then by the same method of counting the USSR in the Second World War I lost not 27, but 36 million people. But no one thinks so, not accepted. Therefore, the Second World War 27 million. And in the USA, call the State Department and demand exact numbers.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 20 February 2016 16: 08
    0
    Quote: poquello
    fists worked

    Who are the fists?
    Do not confuse with the middle peasants.
    The rest of t. Avva2012 said everything.
  • poquello
    poquello 20 February 2016 22: 43
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat
    Quote: poquello
    fists worked

    Who are the fists?
    Do not confuse with the middle peasants.
    .

    no,
    Most of the grain production came from kulak farms (about 2 billion pounds out of 5 billion pounds of the total crop). Landowners produced 600 million pounds. Thus, the middle peasants and the poor accounted for half of the gross collection with very low marketability (14,7%), because there was barely enough grain to feed the family and cattle.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 20 February 2016 23: 15
    +1
    Quote: poquello
    Most grain production

    Uguk. Like the Netherlands.

    Let's look in the dictionary.
    merchant, hunks, gidomor, flint, strong man; Dictionary of Dal

    But since they produced grain so well, why was there famine in the country? and I'm not talking about the period 192x-1932.
  • poquello
    poquello 20 February 2016 23: 37
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat
    .
    Let's look in the dictionary.
    merchant, hunks, gidomor, flint, strong man; Dictionary of Dal

    and in the dictionary with the letter "F" one sweatshirt)))

    In the pre-revolutionary Russian village, the “fist” was most often called the prosperous peasant, who received prosperity from the “enslavement” of his fellow villagers and kept the whole “world” (the rural community) “in the fist” (depending on himself). The nickname "fist" was received by rural peasants who had unclean, unearned income, in their opinion, moneylenders, buyers and merchants. The consciousness of peasants has always been based on the idea that the only honest source of wealth is hard physical labor. The origin of the wealth of moneylenders and merchants was primarily associated with their dishonesty - for example, a merchant was considered a “parasite of society, profiting from objects obtained by other people's labor," because, according to the conviction of peasants engaged in direct production, "you will not deceive - you will not sell "

    3.http: //newsruss.ru/doc/index.php/Economy_SSSR_v_1930-kh_yah
    http://www.memorial.krsk.ru/Work/Konkurs/16/Kabirova/0.htm
  • poquello
    poquello 20 February 2016 22: 49
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat

    Who are the fists?
    Do not confuse with the middle peasants.

    trudge on your confidence
    Most of the grain production came from kulak farms (about 2 billion pounds out of 5 billion pounds of the total crop). Landowners produced 600 million pounds. Thus, the middle peasants and the poor accounted for half of the gross collection with very low marketability (14,7%), because there was barely enough grain to feed the family and cattle.

    Quote: ShadowCat
    The rest of t. Avva2012 said everything.

    Of course he said, as I understood it, hunger was ideologically justified, and he likes it.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 21 February 2016 16: 26
    0
    Quote: poquello Of course he said, as I understood it, hunger was ideologically justified, and he likes it.

    You repeat the ideas of Svidomo, which is already annoying.
    I repeat, famine at that time was not only in the USSR, this is one, but two, there was no more hunger in the USSR after collectivization (read, hunger years in the Republic of Ingushetia, as well as the "king of hunger" at the end of the 19th century).
  • poquello
    poquello 21 February 2016 19: 40
    0
    Quote: avva2012
    Quote: poquello Of course he said, as I understood it, hunger was ideologically justified, and he likes it.

    You repeat the ideas of Svidomo, which is already annoying.
    I repeat, famine at that time was not only in the USSR, this is one, but two, there was no more hunger in the USSR after collectivization (read, hunger years in the Republic of Ingushetia, as well as the "king of hunger" at the end of the 19th century).

    I read it, and I strongly recommend it to you, so as not to produce Soviet "halva"
    http://afanarizm.livejournal.com/174568.html
    .. according to the reports of all the zemstvo leaders I interviewed, representatives of the Red Cross, members of the local medical administration - if you do not believe the officials of the general administration - not a single death directly from starvation, from the complete absence of any food, not to mention suicides or murders of children due to hunger, it has not been ascertained once and nowhere. All such cases reported in the newspapers - always very deaf, without an accurate indication of the place, villages, and without naming the names of people who allegedly died of starvation or resorted to suicide or murder of children - were investigated locally, as far as possible with uncertain instructions , and have not been confirmed anywhere.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 22 February 2016 09: 46
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    Quote: poquello I read it, and I strongly recommend it to you, so as not to produce Soviet "halva"
    http://afanarizm.livejournal.com/174568.html

    I read, and what? I agree, RI was on the rise. Here came the women ..- the Bolsheviks and their wings were cut. It’s familiar. Here are just a calculation of total mortality, as well as from hunger and disease, you can approach from different angles.
    Here is another side: Klim Zhukov "Hunger in Russia: from Empire to USSR":
    Fertility and mortality of the Orthodox population in the Russian Empire in 1889-1891 The most comprehensive report of the Ober Prosecutor of the Holy Synod on the Department of the Orthodox Religion for the 1890 and 1891 years, as well as for the 1892 and 1893 years), Synodal printing house. St. Petersburg, 1895
    Year. Is dead.
    1889 / 2 939 197
    1890 / 3 011 888
    1891 / 3 045 828
    1892 / 3 564 352. http://red-sovet.su/post/29461/golod-v-rossii-ot-imperii-do-sssr
  • Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 05: 04
    +5
    Quote: Vadim237
    Numerous repressions - from 11 to 30 million people - they affected all spheres of society and government, Famine - 6 million people, War - 28 million people, and here also add numerous resettlement of peoples

    Well, where do you get these numbers? I mean, little ones! Large-scale need to think. Won Isaich gasped a hundred lyam at once - and honor and respect to him! The nobel arrived, again. And you are not serious somehow No. . 10,20,30 ... pah
    Quote: Vadim237
    for the people, the rule of Stalin was bloody enough.

    yes Everyone has long known that if the blood of people innocently killed by Stalin is poured into railway tanks, the resulting composition will encircle the earth 4 times
  • goose
    goose 19 February 2016 14: 10
    +2
    Figures and sources - where?
    During Stalin, with a population of 2 times more in prison and camps, people were sitting even a little less than now.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 18 February 2016 05: 41
    +2
    There are several "anecdotes" about I.V. Stalin.
    About Rokossovsky - a great man, he easily parted with trophies, as a true Pole always raised his first toast to lovely ladies.
    Immediately after the war, he built his country house, everyone envied him. And he invited the whole Politburo and the whole General Staff to wash ... Stalin also arrived. We walked all night, sang songs, remembered the war. In the morning everyone says goodbye, then Stalin tells him:
    - "Thank you very much, comrade Rokossovsky, you have built a good children's holiday home."
    On the same day, the house was inhabited by orphans.
    Rokossovsky himself long afterwards had fun on this occasion, and several times they washed the house in a narrower circle.

    A number of sources set forth, as a genuine case, such an episode.
    One colonel general reported to Stalin on the state of affairs. The Supreme Commander looked very pleased and nodded twice in approval. Having finished the report, the commander hesitated. Stalin asked: "Do you want to say anything else?"
    "Yes, I have a personal question. In Germany, I took away some things that interest me, but they were detained at the checkpoint. If possible, I would ask them to return them to me."
    "It is possible. Write a report, I will impose a resolution."
    Colonel-General pulled out a prepared report from his pocket. Stalin imposed a resolution. The petitioner began to thank warmly.
    "Not worth gratitude," Stalin remarked.
    After reading the resolution written on the report: "Return his junk to the colonel. I. Stalin", the general turned to the Supreme Commander: "There is a slip of the tongue, Comrade Stalin. I am not a colonel, but a colonel general."
    "No, everything is correct here, Comrade Colonel," Stalin replied.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 18 February 2016 03: 08
    +9
    Quote: Vadim237
    didn’t even come to the funeral of his mother - Ekaterina Dzhugashvili

    Given her death on June 4, 1937 and the very peak of the party struggle, I don’t think that Catherine would like her son to join her so hastily.

    Quote: Vadim237
    due to the adoption in 1932 of an overestimated grain procurement plan

    Complete nonsense. The government reduced the plan given the problems of 1930-1931

    Quote: Vadim237
    "Garanin executions" as an example of addressing prisoners

    No, I don’t care, and what do I need to kiss a thief in the ass? And so ...
    Stepan Nikolaevich Garanin was arrested on September 27, 1938. May 30, 1939 was transferred to Moscow and placed in Sukhanovskaya prison. On January 17, 1940, a special meeting of the NKVD of the USSR sentenced him to 8 years of forced labor camps. Later, the camp is extended.
    Quote: Vadim237
    the losses were huge from 32 to 45

    Oh, such losses now ...
    1929 152 million
    1939 (January) 168 524 000
    1941 (June) 196 716 000
    1946 (January) 170 (War, Karl!)
    1951 (January) 182 321 000
    Awesome losses.

    Quote: Vadim237
    unreasoned government actions

    Unreasoned actions are the eve of WWI and 1990th. The correctness of the decisions was confirmed by the Second World War and WWII in which the country came out the winner.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 18 February 2016 07: 09
      0
      Quote: ShadowCat
      1939 (January) 168 524 000
      1941 (June) 196 716 000

      Do not these numbers seem strange to you - in two years the population has grown by 28 million people?
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 18 February 2016 07: 28
        +7
        Quote: sa-agDo not these numbers seem strange to you - in two years the population has grown by 28 million people?

        Baltic States, Northern Bukovina, Western Ukraine and Belarus.
        Plus a normal demographic situation. In families, on average, 5-8 children and well-developed medical services for the population.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 February 2016 10: 22
      +2
      At that time, everyone could be imprisoned and forced a confession out of him - torture was a very common practice and not all prisoners were thieves and the attitude towards them was worse than towards cattle. Complete nonsense - The government reduced the plan given the problems of 1930-1931 "- this is not nonsense - this is the truth already documented and confirmed - I advise you to study the encyclopedia of the history of the USSR, the history of Russia in the 20th century, published in 1995, where all the events are written and shown in detail.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 18 February 2016 11: 09
        +3
        Is there a link about torture in the USSR? Please write, otherwise I personally met references only to Solzhenitsyn and Shalamov.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 February 2016 10: 26
      -4
      Oh, such losses now ...
      1929 152 million
      1939 (January) 168 524 000
      1941 (June) 196 716 000
      1946 (January) 170 (War, Karl!)
      1951 (January) 182 321 000
      Awesome losses. - This is the population of the entire USSR, and not the RSFSR about whose losses I'm talking. And "Karl" - throw this name out of the letter - it becomes parasitic.
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 18 February 2016 10: 51
        +4
        You generally throw something without bringing anything. I guess only on the client’s giblets, and if you don’t give exactly where and what, I will answer exactly as I interpret.
        If you want to - be so kind as to indicate how many people were in the RSFSR, what were the gains and losses.
        If you can’t proceed about the USSR.
        Quote: Vadim237
        And "Karl" - throw this name out of the letter - it becomes parasitic.

        What and where should I leave it is up to me and the judicial system to decide. If you don’t like something, you can either cry in the corner, or leave, or sue me.
  • Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 05: 24
    +5
    Quote: Vadim237
    profane beginning of the war, g

    And how to start a war? Can I use examples? Who didn’t have a profound start over there? Who adequately entered the war? what Poland? No, not Poland. Two weeks floundered. Probably France ... No, they pissed away everything that is possible. UK? These, too, raked both on water and in the air. USA? No. Pearl Harbor doesn't fit. What kind of miracle country did not spoil the beginning of the war?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 February 2016 09: 59
      -3
      "Stop alarmism, do not succumb to provocations - there will be no war" - this was spread throughout the red army, thereby discouraging it and the military repression added to this disorganization. From what connivance did everything - of course Stalin.
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 18 February 2016 10: 13
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        Stop panic, do not succumb to provocations

        Knowing the methods of Germany which needs only an excuse, it is better to give in to panic and then get the Allies + Axis vs USSR coalition?

        Quote: Vadim237
        discouraged and repression of the military

        Here this week I read about the Spanish ace Smurkevich, who was part of the General Staff of the Red Army Air Force. From the 40th year.
        Think about such a moment in the biography - Smurkevich used observers to send information over the raids on Madrid over the telephone. At the same time, he did not bother installing radios in airplanes. Given a high position, who should I ask?
        There is a problem with communication in general - even training was not assigned to it. Again, with whom to ask?

        By the way, have you ever held a leadership position?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 February 2016 18: 26
          -5
          I myself am the owner of the production. But Stalin did not give a damn about everyone, the Russian people are slaughter for people like him, the government and he is personally responsible for what happened in those years, the only plus of his reign is the creation of a powerful industrial base, and that's all, no more What significant advantages are not. My opinion on the era of Stalin’s reign is purely negative.
        2. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 20 February 2016 16: 01
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          I myself am the owner of the production.

          machine tool or what?
          Unfortunately, I own the current myself, and not always. But I know perfectly well that people lie to please themselves. and honest people, this must be sought in the afternoon with fire. What am I doing? And to the fact that we are not anthill and, by coincidence, there are no telepaths. So you have to believe Comrade Gref, Comrade Ivanov, etc. etc.
          Quote: Vadim237
          . But Stalin did not care about everyone, the Russian people - meat

          justify. And with the analysis, evidence. And you know, you can say something unpleasant and insulting about you,
          Quote: Vadim237
          , power and he is personally responsible

          You decide. And it sounds like something ... Either he is in the government, or he is just separately and the government is separate. Here, either I, or the skis do not go ....
          Using your thesis, for example, now you can say "Vadim 237 is to blame for the ruble collapse."
          Quote: Vadim237
          the only plus of his reign is the creation of a powerful industrial base and that’s all, there are no more significant advantages. M

          And how many advantages did you make for the people? At least in your opinion he has one.
  • efendia
    efendia 18 February 2016 10: 03
    +3
    And who is to blame for the ill-conceived decisions on the collapse of the USSR, and who counted the victims of these decisions, and how many millions of refugees formed who counted ???
  • goose
    goose 19 February 2016 13: 00
    +2
    Quote: Vadim237
    hunger or food shortages due to the adoption in 1932 of an overestimated plan for grain procurement
    -
    where did this come from in your head? Maybe the real numbers on the plans look first?

    But even if you do not look at the facts in numbers. Two consecutive years of drought, crop failures in entire regions of the country, especially the Non-Black Earth Region, where 20% of the crop has survived, where will the big plans come from? In 1932, it was barely enough to land.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 17 February 2016 22: 45
    +3
    We are waiting for arguments to support the thesis about "millions killed personally by Stalin"
    1. poquello
      poquello 18 February 2016 00: 24
      -7
      Quote: ShadowCat
      We are waiting for arguments to support the thesis about "millions killed personally by Stalin"

      Hasty collectivization and dispossession led to starvation of about three million people. Pure little mistake of the great idol.
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 01: 02
        +5
        Quote: poquello
        Hasty collectivization and dispossession

        And, excuse me, in what year do you think the UNSUCCESSFUL collectivization should have ended? And industrialization? There Hitler would have waited for us, right? And how did you count three million? This is on the collective farms so many people died? Was there a bad hour? And this is the first failure in the history of the Russian state?
        Sometimes it's better to be silent
        1. poquello
          poquello 18 February 2016 01: 32
          -5
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Quote: poquello
          Hasty collectivization and dispossession

          .
          Sometimes it's better to be silent

          32 years old, sometimes it's better to learn history
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 04: 48
            +1
            What is "32"? Is this your age or what?
            "Hasty" and that later ended. Something I do not understand you. The question was:
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            In what year do you think the UNSUCCESSFUL collectivization should end?

            And there were several questions.
            1. poquello
              poquello 18 February 2016 13: 19
              +1
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              What is "32"? Is this your age or what?
              "Hasty" and that later ended. Something I do not understand you. The question was:
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              In what year do you think the UNSUCCESSFUL collectivization should end?

              And there were several questions.

              One question - your stupid laziness, you open the history of Russia, the events of 1932 and read. And turn on the brain, if you have it - NINE years before the war.
            2. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 23: 35
              +3
              Quote: poquello
              One question - your stupid laziness, you open the history of Russia, the events of 1932 and read. And turn on the brain, if you have it - NINE years before the war.

              You turn on your brain. Collectivization was not an end in itself. It was designed to ensure industrialization. Which successfully passed in your "nine more years". And not everyone did it, you are our leisurely one.
              By the way, complete collectivization ended in 33, not in 32, and in some regions it lasted until 37. Update your tutorials. According to the "history of Russia"
            3. poquello
              poquello 19 February 2016 01: 01
              -2
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              Quote: poquello
              One question - your stupid laziness, you open the history of Russia, the events of 1932 and read. And turn on the brain, if you have it - NINE years before the war.

              You turn on your brain. Collectivization was not an end in itself. It was designed to ensure industrialization. Which successfully passed in your "nine more years". And not everyone did it, you are our leisurely one.
              .

              go to the history of Germany
            4. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 19 February 2016 02: 07
              0
              Quote: poquello
              go to the history of Germany

              Drain counted
            5. poquello
              poquello 19 February 2016 10: 25
              -3
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              Quote: poquello
              go to the history of Germany

              Drain counted

              Che again is too lazy to think? 1932 Hitler is not yet in power. An argument like “Stalin had time with the collective farms, but could not have time” is delusional, because a gradual transition gave the best result. However, if you are not familiar with business entities, it is unlikely that you will understand.
            6. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 19 February 2016 11: 09
              +3
              Quote: poquello
              Che again too lazy to think does not?

              Che is spelled with "O". You, as I understand it, are the most thinking here.
              Quote: poquello
              1932 - Hitler is not yet in power.

              if we do not follow in ten years the path that the West has traveled in 100 years, they will crush us.

              I hope you know whose words?
              That's right, Joseph Vissarionovich. And they were said on February 4, 1931. And what about Hitler? There will be no giter, there will be Poroshenko. They stamp them on an industrial scale. A socialist country is in a capitalist environment. Imperialism means. After the WWII, they have not fully recovered, but in 10 years ... And how he looked into the water! Now we have cap.country in cap. surrounded and even groan: If there was no war! So like that
            7. poquello
              poquello 19 February 2016 17: 14
              -1
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              Quote: poquello
              Che again too lazy to think does not?

              Che is spelled with "O". You, as I understand it, are the most thinking here.

              FAQ through "O" is written
              Quote: Corporal Valera

              Quote: poquello
              1932 - Hitler is not yet in power.

              if we do not follow in ten years the path that the West has traveled in 100 years, they will crush us.

              .

              He squeezed all this fast and the furious when he took power - he does not roll for an argument. The speech was 31 years old, and the canoe was started up to 27-29 years old, it’s a direct obsnuychik of some kind of hunger and suppression of peasant riots. Once again, a gradual transition gave the best result.
            8. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 20 February 2016 12: 41
              +1
              Quote: poquello
              He squeezed all this fast and the furious when he took power - he does not roll for an argument.

              Yes, and rightly so.
              Quote: poquello
              Speech is 31 years old, and the canoe was started on 27-29,

              So what? The sooner realized, the better.
              Quote: poquello
              I’m straightly sniffing some kind of famine and suppressing peasant riots.

              Justify and simpler could be found. Justification, like a hole in the opera, is for everyone.
              Quote: poquello
              Once again, a gradual transition gave the best result.

              Yes. Only in 50 years. We have been fussing with the farmers for 25 years, but we still cannot restore the agricultural sector. And retailers do not want to work with a small supplier. They are more comfortable with the "Brazilian collective farms".
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 18 February 2016 02: 57
    +7
    Quote: poquello
    Hasty collectivization

    Has he had more than 100 years left? (according to historians, looking at the development of the Western world) Given the political situation in the 30s and 40s, they were not. The people needed food, the industry was needed.
    Quote: poquello
    dekulakization

    Who are the fists?
    Quote: poquello
    about three million people

    Where did the firewood come from? However, I can tell Chamberlain "The Iron Age of Russia" where he talks about 3-4 million. Although reading the foreign press is even more interesting.
    However, let’s go to our beds, but first I recommend that you pay attention to the American statistical agency and the 1932-1933go report on population losses. 7 million!
    But let's go back. First, in those days, the head of the government was ... Molotov V.M.
    On December 19, 1930, by the decision of the joint plenum of the Central Committee and Central Control Commission of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, Molotov was appointed chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Council of Labor and DefenseAs well as
    In 1931-1932, Molotov, along with other senior party leaders, worked as an extraordinary commissioner forcing grain procurements in southern Ukraine. In December 1931, at a meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolsheviks), Vyacheslav Mikhailovich noted the extreme unsatisfactory fulfillment of the grain procurement plan and the direct threat posed to their breakdown. He demanded the use of "special measures" and increased "Bolshevik vigilance against the class enemy"
    So oops, it’s not possible to write off Stalin.
    As for hunger - I recommend reading the works of M. Tauger (This is between the Yankees)
    1. poquello
      poquello 18 February 2016 17: 55
      -4
      Quote: ShadowCat
      .
      So oops, it’s not possible to write off Stalin.
      As for hunger - I recommend reading the works of M. Tauger (This is between the Yankees)

      Well, yes, how spaceships are so Stalin, how hunger does not roll like that
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 20 February 2016 16: 23
        +1
        Quote: poquello
        Well, yes, how spaceships are so Stalin, how hunger does not roll like that

        Well, with all my culture, you don’t put on your pants or not ahem ...
        Speak more clearly or our more or less cultural discussion will turn into scuffle.
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 18 February 2016 16: 54
    +3
    Dear, you will now have more minuses than pluses, do not say anything stupid. There are numbers. 3 convicted. 777 sentenced to death. For all 380 years. This does not exceed US prison statistics. Given the fact that they included all sorts of Vlasovites, Bandera, etc., and not much at all.
    1. poquello
      poquello 18 February 2016 18: 04
      0
      Quote: Foxmara
      ... 3 convicted. 777 sentenced to death. For all 380 years. ...

      but are these numbers by year ?, interesting to see
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 18 February 2016 18: 56
        +2
        Yes, everything is in the statistics, but these details do not interest me much. At one time in places not so remote there were up to 2 million people before the war, after the war more for obvious reasons. In the early thirties (or twenties? I don’t remember), from 200-300 thousand were, to 39 to 2 million. The numbers gradually increased.
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 20 February 2016 16: 28
      0
      Quote: Foxmara
      There are numbers. 3 convicted. 777 sentenced to death.

      Damn it, but I agree with comrade poquello.
      Where are the statistics Karl? Where are the comparisons with US prisons?
      Maybe you are trying to make IV Stalin a plus, but we are adults and have access to no - so we work on links.
      No offense. But I would be interested in such an analytical-comparative analysis.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 20 February 2016 16: 50
        +2
        Quote: ShadowCat But I would be interested in such an analytical-comparative analysis.

        Ring that you climbed, but here: http://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=2816
        V.N. Zemskov. Political repressions in the USSR: real scales and speculative constructions.
        1. poquello
          poquello 20 February 2016 23: 25
          0
          Quote: avva2012
          http://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=2816

          thank you
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 21 February 2016 16: 28
            0
            Quote: poquello thank you

            Please.
      2. carbine
        carbine 20 February 2016 23: 57
        0
        Quote: ShadowCat
        Where are the statistics Karl? Where are the comparisons with US prisons?

        What "US prisons"? The USSR under Dzhugashvili was one big prison. Only the regimes of detention in different parts of this large "zone" were different.
        And for the escape from the Stalinist paradise, the death penalty was imposed with the confiscation of property (SZ USSR, 1934, No. 33, article 255. http://www.gumer.info/bibliotek_Buks/History/Article/dop_pol.php). At the same time, members of the families of the "traitor" (if he is a serviceman) were also repressed. Link or conclusion from 5 to 10 years. The link for 5 years was relied on to those relatives who did not know anything (go and prove it). Also, punishment for failure to inform non-family members was imposed (10 years in prison).
        Therefore, the desire to compare something on this topic is surprising.
        1. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 21 February 2016 16: 49
          +1
          Yes, yes .. We know - Some were sitting, others were guarding. Then change. Transfer rifle and padded jacket to the seated. Robes of a convict on duty.
          1. carbine
            carbine 21 February 2016 16: 56
            0
            Quote: ShadowCat
            Some sat, others guarded. Then change.

            There are things that are not joking. Because such "jokes" are already called buffoonery.
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 21 February 2016 18: 43
            0
            Yes, not a lot and sat. Based on the ongoing civil war. In my opinion, a little ...
  • Villon
    Villon 19 February 2016 00: 07
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    "Stalin is God's providence for Russia" - and do not tell me how many people were ruined under him - his rule had much more minuses than pluses.

    Under Stalin, there was a hidden civil war. And the victims in it fell much less than in the first civil war.
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 19 February 2016 16: 30
    +2
    How many? Judging by your comment, not all "enemies of the people" have been rooted out. Maybe this is Stalin's real mistake. He was kind. For one thing, and count how many people we lost in the 90s, if you can.
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 19 February 2016 16: 30
    0
    How many? Judging by your comment, not all "enemies of the people" have been rooted out. Maybe this is Stalin's real mistake. He was kind. For one thing, and count how many people we lost in the 90s, if you can.
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 20 February 2016 11: 11
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    but don’t tell me how many people were killed under him

    and you don’t tell me how many people died from hunger under Nikoalyke?
  • activator
    activator 17 February 2016 20: 27
    19
    Quote: vovanpain
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb. hi

    Yes, no, here, I understand the author wants to say that Stalin broke the game for secret governments who wanted to create a sort of janissary from the people of Russia without a historical memory who hated their past, who corrected their faith and were ready to bring chaos and lawlessness to Europe by someone’s secret order. He opposed this because of what, in fact, there were many who were repressed, well, actually something like that.
  • Malachite
    Malachite 17 February 2016 20: 40
    +8
    Quote: vovanpain
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb. hi

    And we were the first in space! (at that time the foundation was laid ..)
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 17 February 2016 21: 22
      -16 qualifying.
      Quote: Malachite
      And we were the first in space! (at that time the foundation was laid ..)

      Wherever you look, everywhere everything was laid under Stalin. laughing
      1. Egevich
        Egevich 17 February 2016 21: 34
        10
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Malachite
        And we were the first in space! (at that time the foundation was laid ..)

        Wherever you look, everywhere everything was laid under Stalin. laughing


        please refute ...
        1. Goauld_Baal
          Goauld_Baal 17 February 2016 21: 39
          +8
          Only snot and drool can spray. All that we all have, only thanks to the Stalinist USSR.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 17 February 2016 22: 15
          -17 qualifying.
          Quote: Egevich
          please refute ...
        3. owl
          owl 17 February 2016 22: 47
          +8
          Quote: Egevich
          please refute ...

          It depends on what you mean by the word FOUNDATION wink
          I will only "express my personal opinion" laughing About the foundation:
          1918 year
          On May 17, the Institute for the Study of the Brain and Mental Activities is created.
          June 10 organized the Petrograd Scientific Institute. P.F. Lesgaft.
          July 31 establishes the Russian Food Science and Technology Institute.
          On September 27, the Institute of Physical and Chemical Research of Solid Substances is being created.
          October 1 - on the basis of the existing one - Institute of Applied Mineralogy and Metallurgy.
          Also on October 1, the Socialist Academy of Social Sciences was opened (established on June 25).
          On October 30, the Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) is established.
          On November 8, the Scientific Institute of Fertilizers is created.
          December 1 - State Institute of Applied Chemistry.
          Also in December, the Scientific Chemical-Pharmaceutical Institute is created.
          In the years 1918-1919. the institutes Optical, Ceramic, Hydrological, the Institute for the Study of Platinum, Physico-chemical analysis, etc. began to work.
          1919 year
          January 4 establishes the Russian Scientific Chemical Institute.
          On May 30, a Commission for the Study and Practical Use of the Russian North will be established, which later (March 2, 1925) will be transformed into a Research Institute for the Study of the North.
          July 15, the Russian Astronomical and Geodetic Institute (AGI) is organized.
          December 9, the State Computing Institute (GVI) is created.
          On April 17, 1923, the institutes of the Institute of Geophysics and General Physics were reorganized, merging into one State Astronomical Institute.
          On July 23, the Peterhof Institute of Natural Sciences is organized.
          1. owl
            owl 17 February 2016 22: 48
            14
            1920 year
            On February 3, the Institute of Mechanical Processing of Minerals is organized.
            Also in 1920 opened: State Institute of Public Health, Biochemical Institute. A.N. Bakh, Institute for the Control of Vaccines and Serums, Tuberculosis Institute, Institute of Social Hygiene, etc.
            1921 year
            In February, the Physics and Mathematics Institute was created at the initiative of V. A. Steklov.
            March 10 establishes the Floating Marine Scientific Institute.
            On October 5, the State Experimental Electrotechnical Institute is established.
            On November 23, 1921, three independent institutes were created: the State Radiological and Radiological Institute (Biomedical Institute); State Physics and Radiological Institute; State Radium Institute
            1922 year
            January 10 opens State Colonization Research Institute.
            In September, the Chemical Institute named after L. Ya. Karpova.
            Also in 1922, the Institute of Experimental Agronomy was organized.
            At MSU, 11 research institutes were organized at the Faculty of Physics and Mathematics: Mathematics and Mechanics, Physics and Crystallography, Mineralogy and Petrography, Zoology, Botany, Anthropology, Astronomical and Geodesic, Geological, Soil, Geographical and Chemical; at the School of Medicine - Institute of Higher nervous activity.
            1923 year
            The Institute of Graduate Studies for the training of scientific personnel.
            Also in 1921-1923. Astrophysical Institute, Biological Institute. K.A. Timiryazev, Geographical Institute, etc.
            In 1918, Vladimir Ilyich met with the scientist Winter and asked him to begin active work in nuclear energy. March 29, 1918 proposed to organize a study in this area by the Academy of Sciences. Already at the beginning of 1922, a radium production plant was launched. The first particle accelerator was also launched this year. Further work in this area was continued. This is about the same "Sokha and Nuclear Bomb"
            1. Igor V
              Igor V 18 February 2016 00: 52
              +5
              Add:
              July 19, 1918 founded the Nizhny Novgorod radio laboratory (in fact - the Research Institute).
        4. poquello
          poquello 18 February 2016 02: 43
          -4
          Quote: Egevich
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Malachite
          And we were the first in space! (at that time the foundation was laid ..)

          Wherever you look, everywhere everything was laid under Stalin. laughing


          please refute ...

          not for the ears, so for the ears
          The legacy of the great thinker and theorist K.E. Tsiolkovsky left a deep mark in the soul of the future designer and became the reason for his passion for building rocket aircraft.
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 19 February 2016 07: 27
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        Wherever you look, everywhere everything was laid under Stalin

        Specifically, what was laid after Stalin? Offhand: BAM - unsuccessfully, virgin lands - unsuccessfully. These are just projects, not industries, and the foundation of everything was laid precisely under Stalin.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 19 February 2016 07: 35
          +2
          Quote: EvgNik Specifically, what was laid after Stalin? Offhand: BAM - unsuccessfully, virgin lands - unsuccessfully. These are just projects, not industries, and the foundation of everything was laid precisely under Stalin.

          Given, moreover, that BAM was designed and even began to be built under Stalin. Yes, the war prevented. At the expense of failure, I do not know. Generally in the idea, a practical thing.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 17 February 2016 21: 19
    -20 qualifying.
    Quote: vovanpain
    Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb.

    A "hackneyed" phrase, but to whom we should be grateful, having acquired an atomic bomb, is Emil Julius Klaus Fuksu
  • PKK
    PKK 17 February 2016 21: 33
    +3
    Nobody reached such a high level of shamanism, Buddha, before Stalin. Even the great Buddha Gautama did less for the people of the Earth than Joseph Stalin!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 17 February 2016 22: 09
      -3
      Quote: PKK
      the great buddha Gautama

      Who is it????
  • Alexx kruglov
    Alexx kruglov 17 February 2016 21: 41
    16
    there is no need to simplify too much - the atomic bomb is far from the main achievement of JV Stalin, although it is critically necessary for the post-war security of the USSR.

    Before the start of industrialization, the technical level of our country was 4 times lower than the level of England, 5 times lower than Germany, 10 times lower than the United States.
    During the years of the first (1929–1932) and second (1933–1937) five-year plans, many new industries arose, ferrous and non-ferrous metallurgy, chemistry, energy, and machine building stepped forward.
    The gross output of the entire industry of the USSR in 1937 increased almost 1929 times compared with 4, and if we compare the year 1913 and the pre-war year, the output of gross output in machine building and metalworking increased by 35 times.
    During the years of the prewar five-year plans, about 9 thousand large industrial enterprises were built, a new powerful industrial base was created in the east of the country, which was so useful to us during the Great Patriotic War.
    On the whole, the USSR took the first place in Europe and the second in the world in the volume of industrial production and in the technical equipment of newly built enterprises.

    During the Stalinist leadership, over the course of 30 years, an agrarian, impoverished country dependent on foreign capital has become the most powerful military-industrial power on a global scale, the center of a new socialist civilization.
    The impoverished and illiterate population of Tsarist Russia has become one of the most intelligent and educated nations in the world. The political and economic literacy of the workers and peasants by the beginning of the 50s was not only not inferior, but also surpassed the level of education of the workers and peasants of any developed country at that time.

    "In the first 19 years of ruling the country, Stalin increased its industrial production by almost 70 times and turned from an African state into the second in the world, and by a number of parameters, the first in the world."
    Prof. S. Lopatnikov

    Neither EBN nor V. Putin with his liberal financial and economic course in the economy will ever achieve such results!

    In 1990, China's GDP was six times lower than that of the Soviet Union. Now it is difficult to imagine, but it is so. It's true. In "prosperous" 2008, China's GDP exceeded Russia's GDP by three and a half times.

    Today we really can offer nothing to the world, except for raw materials?

    Yes. And for this reason, modernization in Russia cannot be carried out by liberal forces. Because as soon as we start producing something complicated ourselves, we tear out the corresponding market from Western corporations, and thereby take away their profits. We can - since our market is occupied by the West - even win our own market (this is modernization) only in conflict with the West. And liberals cannot go to a conflict with the West. This is their objective historical impasse.

    http://www.greatstalin.ru/economylifting.aspx
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 17 February 2016 21: 53
      -3
      Quote: Alexx Kruglov
      Before the start of industrialization, the technical level of our country was 4 times lower than the level of England, 5 times lower than Germany, 10 times lower than the United States

      No need to "spam" extracts from the Internet, heed Lenin's advice. laughing
      1. Alexx kruglov
        Alexx kruglov 17 February 2016 22: 06
        +6
        I simply confirm the facts (that this is not my invention) and give the opportunity to those who are interested in learning more about them without digging for hours in various rubbish about Stalin
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  • Stanislas
    Stanislas 17 February 2016 22: 03
    +9
    Quote: vovanpain
    Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb.
    He took the consumable country for the world revolution, and left the building country of his future. Who only, and he did not know, probably ...
  • Koshak
    Koshak 18 February 2016 05: 06
    0
    Quote: vovanpain
    Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb.

    Yes, this is already known.
  • user
    user 18 February 2016 20: 09
    +3
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?


    Yes, history has put everything in its place for a long time, remember Russia 1917 and the USSR 1953.
    What can I say, look what is happening in the Russian Federation, even the EP against the background of Stalin is too small.
  • spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 19 February 2016 09: 11
    +3
    And in my opinion, the author wanted to show the difference in the goals of Lenin and Stalin. Lenin made a world revolution and was essentially a cynical demagogue, while Stalin built a social state.
    We only now understand all the genius of this man. The tasks that he solved were not to be solved by anyone in the history of mankind, nm before or after him.
    And no matter how hard they try to haul it, time will put everything in its place, and grateful descendants will appreciate its titanic work and merits to the Russian people.
  • azkolt
    azkolt 19 February 2016 19: 22
    +2
    Actually, before the revolution, it was a country that built its dreadnought! Yes, and Sir Winston never said so!
  • nemec55
    nemec55 17 February 2016 20: 14
    28
    By the way, remember how the name of Russia was chosen when the people voted for Stalin, how they crawled on the channel, and let Nevsky shove
    this suggests that they all do not care about the people from the high bell tower
    And yet, a simple example of people's interest in Stalin is a simple inspection of the number of comments in this article.
    1. Malachite
      Malachite 17 February 2016 21: 12
      10
      Quote: nemec55
      By the way, remember how the name of Russia was chosen when the people voted for Stalin, how they crawled on the channel, and let Nevsky shove
      this suggests that they all do not care about the people from the high bell tower
      And yet, a simple example of people's interest in Stalin is a simple inspection of the number of comments in this article.

      I remember ! Such a howl rose in our media too (especially interesting))) Hush up this matter right away ..
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 17 February 2016 20: 17
    16
    Without Stalin, there would have been no victory over fascism, therefore, the Almighty, for all the shortcomings of Stalin, gave him the opportunity to defeat this cancerous poppy on the body of humanity, because only a savior could do this.
  • RUS96
    RUS96 17 February 2016 20: 24
    -10 qualifying.
    And who needs it? The stump of Turkey itself is clear.
    1. RUS96
      RUS96 17 February 2016 21: 59
      -2
      .....................
  • Sunseich
    Sunseich 17 February 2016 20: 26
    0
    author, take away about God. Strains. To be honest. If you believe, you are right. But in the same Bible: "Do not remember the name of the Almighty Vsu (just like that)."
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 17 February 2016 20: 46
      +4
      Should I be so nervous? immediately comes to mind: ....... afraid like h .. rt incense.
    2. activator
      activator 17 February 2016 21: 20
      +2
      Quote: SanSeich
      "Do not remember the name of the Almighty (just like that)."

      Quote: SanSeich
      "Do not remember the name of the Almighty (just like that)."

      So he did not mention him. God is not a name. God seems to be a position.
      1. Alexx kruglov
        Alexx kruglov 17 February 2016 22: 34
        +5
        And who is the "supreme APU"? Muzhenko or what? belay
        1. activator
          activator 17 February 2016 22: 54
          +3
          Quote: activator
          "Do not remember the name of the Almighty (just like that)."
          So he did not mention him. God is not a name. God seems to be a position.

          Quote: Alexx Kruglov
          And who is the "supreme APU"? Muzhenko or what? belay

          Nd amusingly turned out laughing because of one little letter, a little hubby was not reckoned to the gods. what
    3. Alexx kruglov
      Alexx kruglov 17 February 2016 23: 26
      +3
      Why is it "to remove Gd" from the seminarian who restored the Patriarchate in the Russian Orthodox Church ?!

      St. Archbishop of Crimea and Simferopol Luka (War - Yasenetsky) professor, MD, laureate of the Stalin Prize of 1946 for essays on purulent surgery (1877 - 1961):

      “Stalin saved Russia. He showed what Russia means to the rest of the world, and therefore, as an Orthodox Christian and Russian patriot, I bow low to Stalin. ”
      1. poquello
        poquello 18 February 2016 00: 36
        +4
        Quote: Alexx Kruglov
        Why is it "to remove Gd" from the seminarian who restored the Patriarchate in the Russian Orthodox Church ?!

        Holy Archbishop of Crimea and Simferopol Luka (War - Yasenetsky) professor, MD, Laureate of the Stalin Prize 1946 for essays on purulent surgery (1877 - 1961):

        “Stalin saved Russia. He showed what Russia means to the rest of the world, and therefore, as an Orthodox Christian and Russian patriot, I bow low to Stalin. ”

        this religion surrendered to him, the leader was cunning
        “Sometimes some comrades consider the peasants as materialistic philosophers, believing that it is worth giving a lecture on natural science in order to convince the peasant of the non-existence of God. They often do not understand that a man looks at God in a businesslike way, i.e. sometimes a man is not averse to turning his back on God, but he is often torn by doubts: “but who knows, maybe God really exists; wouldn’t it be better to thank both the communist and God so that it would be more reliable for the economy. ” Those who do not take this peculiarity of the psychology of the peasant into account do not understand anything about the relationship between the party and non-partisans, he did not understand that in matters of anti-religious propaganda a cautious attitude is required even to the prejudices of the peasant ”
        I.V. Stalin "Questions of Leninism", 10th ed. Page 192
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 18 February 2016 10: 33
          +3
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Alexx Kruglov
          Why is it "to remove Gd" from the seminarian who restored the Patriarchate in the Russian Orthodox Church ?!

          this religion surrendered to him, the leader was cunning
          It’s you who are cunning, but Stalin at first wanted to devote his life to church service not out of cunning or stupidity. After he chose communism as a form of service to the working people, he ended up serving his country. Such is his track record.
          1. poquello
            poquello 19 February 2016 18: 23
            0
            Quote: Stanislav
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Alexx Kruglov
            Why is it "to remove Gd" from the seminarian who restored the Patriarchate in the Russian Orthodox Church ?!

            this religion surrendered to him, the leader was cunning
            It’s you who are cunning, but Stalin at first wanted to devote his life to church service not out of cunning or stupidity. After he chose communism as a form of service to the working people, he ended up serving his country. Such is his track record.

            like a latent Christian?
            From 1937 to 1941 About 180 thousand priests and clergymen were arrested in the year, more than half of them - 110 thousand people - were shot, the rest were repressed. By the beginning of World War II in the Soviet Union, there were only a little more than five and a half thousand clergymen,

            http://www.preobrajenie-uzlovaya.ru/christiannews/sssr.html
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    5. Stanislas
      Stanislas 18 February 2016 07: 50
      +4
      Quote: SanSeich
      vsu (just like that)
      all not "just like that", it is "the armed forces of the most formidable, invincible and liberal democratic country in the world after the United States!" AND in vain means "without purpose, reason"; from poke - "fool". True, there is still vanity - emptiness, stupidity and in vain - The policy is unbroken. There is a difference? request
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 18 February 2016 08: 15
        0
        Quote: Stanislav
        in vain - the policy is unbroken.
        missed the word - military policy unbroken. And her whole policy is generally in a different letter, but here the carmaker does not miss.
        You write as if your atheism and not atheism at all, but soosome kind of trust ...
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  • starshina78
    starshina78 17 February 2016 20: 46
    20
    The author wanted to say one thing - Stalin is the greatest of people !!! I did not live in the days of Stalin (I was born two years after his death), but I respect him, and I believe that it was his merit in what the USSR achieved. And the repression attributed to him is nonsense. That Stalin arrested somewhere in Chita or Penza, that Stalin sat in troikas and sentenced to be shot? Yes, on his order, Tukhachevsky and the company were destroyed, but they were destroyed for the cause (it is not known how the course of the war would have gone if these people had remained in the leadership of the army). And at the same time he stopped the "Yezhovism". And under Beria, they began to release them from the camps, arranged reconsideration of cases - these are confirmed facts. So Iosif Vissarionovich has thousands of times more merit than missteps.
    1. gergi
      gergi 17 February 2016 21: 15
      12
      Tukhachevsky was a cannibal, the suppression of the Kronstad uprising, ordered the wounded sailors to leave, the Tambov peasant uprising flooded with chemical weapons and blood of the hostages whom he took in the villages, shot women and children without restraint. Is he worthy of a bullet? Still easily got off the bastard!
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    3. asiat_61
      asiat_61 18 February 2016 04: 46
      +3
      Liberasts will never say that Beria began to release prisoners. For them, Beria is a cannibal.
  • gergi
    gergi 17 February 2016 21: 00
    10
    He wanted to say that Stalin was slandered by the liberals. That he was a statesman, he did not allow to steal billions, he himself did not steal anything, he built a great power from the devastation of the bloody, Leninist one. And I completely agree with the author. Stalin, as a symbol, as a person, is dangerous to modern bureaucrats and embezzlers. For them, he is a nightmare. The coming to power of a man who professes the same values ​​as Stalin is mortally dangerous for them. Therefore, it is still watered with mud.
  • Dimachrus
    Dimachrus 17 February 2016 21: 04
    +8
    The author simply wanted to tell the TRUTH about the great man slandered by enemies ....
  • ferdiperdozzz
    ferdiperdozzz 17 February 2016 23: 34
    +1
    A lot of mistakes and typos recently. It’s sometimes difficult to even read texts.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 18 February 2016 00: 33
    0
    Sorry! Really sorry, everything is so simple and clear.
  • spyder148
    spyder148 18 February 2016 01: 31
    +1
    Stalin with us !!!
  • Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 18 February 2016 04: 44
    -2
    You need to watch cartoons about Bevis and Badhead there everything will be clear.
  • Platonich
    Platonich 18 February 2016 04: 57
    +1
    Son, then you are still young and you can’t analyze the article presented to you!
    PS even your nickname speaks for you - a feline, he is a feline.
  • efendia
    efendia 18 February 2016 08: 58
    +3
    Why doesn’t anyone ask the question - Why is the whole history of the Russian Empire, the USSR, Russia a struggle for survival with the rest of the world, and first of all with the Anglo-Saxons? For some reason, at first Russia is now hindering the Amers; Russia is always trying to arrange first palace coups of the revolution now. Well, sometimes other Euro-civilizations appeared. Probably not easy. And in general, they never needed a strong Russia. And the 5th column has always contributed to this.
  • kos2910
    kos2910 18 February 2016 14: 33
    -1
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?
    Everything seems to be clear, Stalin revived the Russian Empire, returned the values ​​trampled by the Leninists and Trotskyists. Of course, the personality is ambiguous, but the article is not bad. Now there is evidence that Lenin was paid for the destruction of Russia, so it’s good that it did not come true to the end.
  • aba
    aba 20 February 2016 06: 20
    0
    I was embarrassed by the last paragraph of the author:
    The answer is already very close, and it is increasingly coming to the surface through the dirty ripples of idle speculation and the swamp of paid publications.
    Is the author afraid to express his opinion today and is waiting for a more convenient time?
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 20 February 2016 10: 33
    -1
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    Well, something like equating today's situation with the time when Stalin led the country.
  • 9501294058
    9501294058 20 February 2016 15: 52
    0
    So you are stupid
  • nemec55
    nemec55 17 February 2016 19: 48
    39
    Our tops are afraid of Stalin like fire and people are trying to close their eyes. But we, not Svidomo, know that it was hard, but it was hard for everyone and we know what a bag of grain could be grabbed for 20 years, but we also knew that it was shooting and confiscation for the theft of state money. Oh, ours liberals are afraid of him
    I always said HOW WE BECOME (PEOPLE) LIVING BETTER STALIN WILL BE A HISTORY FOR US AND NOT A DREAM.
    1. The black
      The black 17 February 2016 19: 50
      34
      You understand that it is always easier to shit on the past. They shit. Stalin, of course, is ambiguous, but with the same success one can remember Peter the Great, and Ivan the Fourth, and Svyatoslav - it’s always "If a person undertakes to clean the outhouse, let him not think that he will have clean fingers ... ....
    2. 13 warrior
      13 warrior 17 February 2016 20: 35
      17
      No matter how they scolded Stalin ... Nevertheless, one cannot help but remember that although corruption was not completely defeated in his reign, but after his death Khrushchev took one of his first steps to remove control of the party elite from the KGB, thereby dismissing these nomenklaturashchikov (to which Khrushchev himself belonged) to the impossible.
      And as for the repressions, then on the course we were once shown a document, a execution list, on which it was written in the hand of Stalin: "Nikita, calm down."
      So the personality of Stalin is very ambiguous.
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        1. gergi
          gergi 18 February 2016 00: 15
          0
          I’ll add, I donated southern Siberia to Kazakhstan. Astana, this is Tselinograd, if anyone remembers, and many more cities with people. At the expense of the Chechens, it's you in vain.
      2. prousakov
        prousakov 18 February 2016 00: 01
        +2
        Quote: 13 warrior
        No matter how they scolded Stalin ... Nevertheless, one cannot help but remember that although corruption was not completely defeated in his reign, but after his death Khrushchev took one of his first steps to remove control of the party elite from the KGB, thereby dismissing these nomenklaturashchikov (to which Khrushchev himself belonged) to the impossible.
        And as for the repressions, then on the course we were once shown a document, a execution list, on which it was written in the hand of Stalin: "Nikita, calm down."
        So the personality of Stalin is very ambiguous.

        As for the executions, Nikita was really indefatigable. Yes, and he gave Crimea,.
    3. Alexx kruglov
      Alexx kruglov 18 February 2016 00: 07
      +3
      And in order for the people to live better, they must strictly follow the political and economic Precepts of the Great Stalin, especially this one: "TRADE IN RESOURCES IS TRADE IN THE HOMELAND!"
      1. poquello
        poquello 18 February 2016 01: 12
        0
        Quote: Alexx Kruglov
        And in order for the people to live better, they must strictly follow the political and economic Precepts of the Great Stalin, especially this one: "TRADE IN RESOURCES IS TRADE IN THE HOMELAND!"

        end with balabolstvo, I'm sure that the USSR and then traded resources
        1. asiat_61
          asiat_61 18 February 2016 04: 52
          +1
          He traded, but also developed his industry, unlike modern rulers.
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      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 18 February 2016 04: 53
        0
        Interesting. Who is this draftsman who puts dashes without explaining?
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  • Nord2015
    Nord2015 17 February 2016 19: 50
    23
    And I sympathize with Stalin.
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 17 February 2016 19: 51
    11
    In Russia, most still think that Ivan the Terrible is the most terrible and terrible murderer. Do you want Stalin to have an unbiased opinion? Although they are not very distinguished from their contemporaries.
    1. gergi
      gergi 17 February 2016 21: 18
      +9
      Terrible and created the Russian state. The Anglo-Saxons tried to cheat on him, but then we must know our history not from their textbooks.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 17 February 2016 21: 30
        +2
        Quote: gergi
        Terrible and created the Russian state

        Historically more correctly and more justly, the state was created by Ivan III, and not Ivan IV the Terrible.
    2. prousakov
      prousakov 18 February 2016 00: 04
      +3
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      In Russia, most still think that Ivan the Terrible is the most terrible and terrible murderer. Do you want Stalin to have an unbiased opinion? Although they are not very distinguished from their contemporaries.

      They were simply slandered by "educated" people.
    3. asiat_61
      asiat_61 18 February 2016 04: 55
      +1
      Vanya is generally a boy from the Pioneer Dawn, in comparison with modern political figures. And in his era, the Queen Aglitsa Lizka hanged how many of her own? And how did Ivan IV Vasilyevich not marry her?
  • Same lech
    Same lech 17 February 2016 19: 52
    18
    the security of present-day Russia is entirely based on that powerful foundation with a 10-fold safety margin, which was laid down in the era of Stalin.


    I very much agree with this idea ...
    Despite the devastation brought into the minds of people by liberal reformers, all the same, the achievements of the Soviet era did not allow us to kneel before our enemies.
    Personally, I never doubted the ability of my people to fight and win in the most unbearable conditions ...
    The 90s that I and many forum users had to go through made people more tenacious and resistant to the infection of the Western way of thinking.
    1. 97110
      97110 17 February 2016 21: 12
      -4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Personally, I never doubted my ability of my people
      Do you really have your own people? Hats break, kneel down? Or irreverence and lack of understanding shorten your days of fast-flowing life?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 18 February 2016 04: 13
        +2
        У
        Do you really have your own people?



        Of course, these are my friends, comrades, people close to me, people I know and do not know ...
        that is, all those people among whom I live and do not confuse me with the master of the 18th century, I do not understand your sarcasm hi
    2. prousakov
      prousakov 18 February 2016 00: 09
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      the security of present-day Russia is entirely based on that powerful foundation with a 10-fold safety margin, which was laid down in the era of Stalin.


      I very much agree with this idea ...
      Despite the devastation brought into the minds of people by liberal reformers, all the same, the achievements of the Soviet era did not allow us to kneel before our enemies.
      Personally, I never doubted the ability of my people to fight and win in the most unbearable conditions ...
      The 90s that I and many forum users had to go through made people more tenacious and resistant to the infection of the Western way of thinking.

      The main achievement of the liberals is to slowly remove the article for sodomy from the Criminal Code.
  • Malachite
    Malachite 17 February 2016 19: 52
    20
    No one can understand Stalin ... We just use his work for now (we eat up what was created during the Soviet era) Putin is trying to create something, but it is very difficult to achieve the level of that time (industrial growth and, most importantly, enthusiasm for mastering new ... "We can and we will succeed ..!" The first man in space, etc.
    1. Alf
      Alf 17 February 2016 19: 55
      37
      Quote: Malachite
      Nobody can understand Stalin ...

      It’s very easy to understand.
      1. Malachite
        Malachite 17 February 2016 20: 36
        +3
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Malachite
        Nobody can understand Stalin ...

        It’s very easy to understand.

        Everything is correct, but repeat everything (industrial growth, enthusiasm of the working class). It is unlikely that ...
      2. kuz363
        kuz363 17 February 2016 20: 44
        10
        At the time, Tomsk Polytechnic taught scientific communism. So the teacher told us that the works of Stalin are very clear and easy to read by ordinary people, unlike the works of Lenin. But he processed a lot from the works of Lenin, only with his thoughts.
      3. Spnsr
        Spnsr 17 February 2016 21: 42
        +1
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Malachite
        Nobody can understand Stalin ...

        It’s very easy to understand.

        or rather not say !!!
    2. nemec55
      nemec55 17 February 2016 20: 04
      13
      We just use his labor for now (we’ll finish what was created during the USSR)

      Yes, the Lord is with you, it’s not just the people who eat it, but the liberal-oligarch, but the people are divided into two parts, one at the zoo looks at what will happen next, others are trying to keep what else is being held.
    3. Alexx kruglov
      Alexx kruglov 18 February 2016 00: 13
      +5
      while it is most obvious that Putin is trying to create only PIPES for pumping raw materials to the EU and China.

      Like millions of Russian people, I am ENZIED with this PETROL SPEAKER advertisement on TV: "Gazprom (ie PIPE) is our national treasure"!

      Why not Rusnano? why not KAMAZ? Why not high-tech machine-tool factories, the aircraft industry, high-speed domestic trains and 100% domestically assembled computers based on a 100% domestic operating system and software ?!
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  • Electrical
    Electrical 17 February 2016 19: 53
    15
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?
    yet simple: chubaysyaku and Co. on gilyaku
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 18 February 2016 05: 20
      +1
      Quote: Elektrik
      yet simple: chubaysyaku and Co. on gilyaku

      To the electrostool?
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 17 February 2016 19: 53
    +5
    It was he who returned the honor and dignity to the slandered names of Alexander Nevsky and Pushkin, Suvorov and Ushakov.

    Here it is. This is when, interestingly, they managed to slander them, under Lenin or even earlier, under the Romanovs?
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 17 February 2016 20: 08
      +8
      Quote: Nikolai K
      Here it is. This is when, interestingly, they managed to slander them, under Lenin or even earlier, under the Romanovs?

      In the first years after the October Revolution, in the "merciless struggle against the hated past", the monuments of the past were destroyed, not only to the tsars, the revolutionary poets called to "throw Pushkin overboard of history" past ", one to one. A little Russian together with the letter" Yat "was not thrown into the dustbin of history.
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      2. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 17 February 2016 22: 40
        0
        That is, under Lenin? And where, then, is Stalin’s condemnation of the Leninist excesses?
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 18 February 2016 09: 11
          +5
          Quote: Nikolai K
          That is, under Lenin? And where, then, is Stalin’s condemnation of the Leninist excesses?

          And what has to do with the condemnation of Lenin's excesses? The excesses were not Lenin's. You just need to delve a little into the spirit of that time. Regarding the topic of commentary-literature, poetry. Well, imagine the Council of Workers, Solo and Crimean Deputies was formed in the city, headed by the correct Baltic little brother in a pea jacket and machine-gun belts, the whole fire of the revolution is ablaze. Well, and for the culture in the city some pimply schoolboy, unrecognized urban genius of poetry, is responsible for the culture, but he says the correct phrases about freedom, equality and brotherhood. So this is this schoolboy, and not VI Lenin, and shouted "perish, perish, Russia unwashed" (c) and urged to throw Pushkin overboard history, and the sailor, that he had counter-revolution, sabotage, hunger, he had no time for poetry, the main thing is the phrases are correct, therefore " burn it, brother, further. "And this little brother ate, the belly appeared, and most importantly his phrases are still correct, revolutionary, and the ideology is harmful. That's when the country calmed down after the civil one, and he was already sitting in the provincial span and that's it leads its own line, that's tog Yes, they began to tidy up where necessary. The same D. Bedny was blown away after 1934 with his propaganda. And it seems, too, was all so revolutionary. So there were no Leninist excesses, and there were narrow-minded people on the wave of revolution who fell into power. By the way, JV Stalin himself condemned precisely the excesses in the formation of collective farms, remember this article "Dizziness with success", but he condemned his mistakes, or rather the mistakes of the current government, but he never condemned his predecessor VI Lenin. And now for some reason demand that Vladimir Putin condemn Yeltsin's mistakes. Demands are apparently not familiar with history.
  • Alf
    Alf 17 February 2016 19: 57
    +9
    Quote: Malachite
    but it is very difficult to reach the level of that time

    Reaching the level of that time is also quite simple, it is enough to have for this WILL.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 17 February 2016 20: 17
      -10 qualifying.
      Maybe you mean patriotism? Would you go bam now to build for free?
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 17 February 2016 20: 34
        13
        Maybe you mean patriotism? Would you go bam now to build for free?

        People from Bam came with wallets with medals and awards, but there were criminals, but we are not naive fools to think that everyone was innocent. Crime was worse than in the 90s, although they shot left and right.
        Stalin in kirsa came to the Kremlin from him in her and left At least one of the current name with such ambitions for salary.
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 18 February 2016 05: 08
        +4
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Would you go bam now to build for free?

        Grew up during the construction period Bama paid very well, many of my relatives built it (I’m talking about the Buryat section of BAM) received car apartments on coupons, etc. The supply was OK, there were no prisoners and military builders your Petersburgers built the beautiful city of Severobaykalsk (Leningrad project)
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 17 February 2016 20: 46
      -3
      Whose will? If Putin, the oligarchs and his party, then it is useless. And the will of the people was killed long ago after 1991.
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 17 February 2016 19: 59
    13
    In any case, Stalin did not steal, which is a rarity for Russia.
  • onix757
    onix757 17 February 2016 20: 00
    12
    Well, it’s not only Lenin who needs to be opposed to Stalin, each at one time did a great job.
    1. gergi
      gergi 17 February 2016 21: 23
      -11 qualifying.
      Lenin against Stalin-Pygmy. Impossible to compare.
  • lexx2038
    lexx2038 17 February 2016 20: 02
    17
    The ruling elite never reanimates even a small part of the state structure of Stalin's time, "right now, not 38 years", who will sign his own death sentence? Justice in our country ended as soon as capitalism began, and wild capitalism in its most ugly forms.
  • Thompson
    Thompson 17 February 2016 20: 06
    12
    Quote: Nikolai K
    It was he who returned the honor and dignity to the slandered names of Alexander Nevsky and Pushkin, Suvorov and Ushakov.

    Here it is. This is when, interestingly, they managed to slander them, under Lenin or even earlier, under the Romanovs?

    they decided to come in from a different angle, we can’t completely discredit the names of Stalin and Lenin in our minds, now we decided to play on --- it turns out that Lenin and Stalin were doing things exactly opposite, just to sow doubt!
    And is it to them, today's worthless, to judge those great?
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 17 February 2016 20: 06
    24
    There is an expression about Stalin that he accepted the country with a plow, but left it with an atomic bomb. Probably it says everything. My grandfather sat under Stalin for 3 years (a neighbor reported), and when Stalin died, my grandfather cried from grief. What can I say? There were great times, great accomplishments.
    Vaughn PetraI- "demon king" was called, and the country was brought to the European level .. also an ambiguous figure.
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 17 February 2016 20: 13
      10
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      My grandfather sat under 3 of the year under Stalin

      Mine also sat after being released from captivity. Passed verification and was released. Dad in 1948. born.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 17 February 2016 20: 21
        +9
        No, mine was arrested before the war. He was in charge of the hardware store. He quarreled with a neighbor, but he wrote where he should. In Ukraine, it was all. And so my grandfather went through the whole war. In Czechoslovakia he graduated from injury.
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 17 February 2016 20: 29
          +3
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          In Ukraine, it was all

          Tulchin, Vinnytsia region hi
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 17 February 2016 20: 35
            +1
            I have somewhere in Transcarpathia ... hi
            1. Horst78
              Horst78 17 February 2016 20: 42
              +3
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              I have somewhere in Transcarpathia ...

              And I kind of wrote to banderlog laughing Would they hear my pronunciation of "western" wassat
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  • moskowit
    moskowit 17 February 2016 20: 09
    +6
    A. Akhmatova

    * * *
    ... and the leader with eagle eyes
    I saw from the height of the Kremlin,
    How magnificent it is flooded with rays
    Transformed Earth.

    And from the very middle of the century,
    Whose name he gave
    He sees the heart of man
    What became bright, like a crystal.

    His labors, his deeds
    He sees ripe fruits,
    Masses of stately buildings
    Bridges, factories and gardens.

    He breathed his spirit into this city,
    He averted trouble from us, -
    That's why it's so hard and young
    Moscow is an undeniable spirit.

    And grateful people
    The leader hears a voice:
    "We came
    To say - where is Stalin, there is freedom,
    Peace and greatness of the earth. "
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 17 February 2016 20: 26
      -18 qualifying.
      And here is the other side of the coin:

      Comrade Stalin - You are a great scientist,

      Linguists who know a lot,

      I'm a simple Sovetsky prisoner

      And my friend is a gray Bryansk Wolf
      1. DmitryK
        DmitryK 17 February 2016 21: 22
        +4
        The previous poem is full of meaning and content. Your passage is "yakony", a mistake in the second line and emptiness. It's just not appropriate and that's it.
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 17 February 2016 21: 48
          +1
          Well, why is it inappropriate? every business has two sides. Yin and Yang - as the basis of philosophy. There is nothing shameful about knowing your story. And knowledge of its dark sides does not detract from its greatness.
          Or do you think the story is done in white gloves?
          1. moskowit
            moskowit 19 February 2016 18: 04
            +1
            Thanks a lot, everyone. I posted a poem by Anna Akhmatova for illustration. I think that it is written from the bottom of my heart, not a conjunctural moment .... Judge for yourself, decide for yourself ....
        2. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 19 February 2016 19: 01
          0
          This is not a mistake ... as the author wrote)))
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      2. Alexx kruglov
        Alexx kruglov 17 February 2016 22: 37
        +6
        The chance of being imprisoned under Stalin in 37 was lower than in today's Russia. At the beginning of 1938, there were 996367 prisoners in the country. Today there are about 900 thousand people "sitting". But the population of the USSR was 170 million people, while today's Russia is only 142 million.
  • Horst78
    Horst78 17 February 2016 20: 12
    +9
    I think that Stalin will be studied for a long time. And not the fact that our children will already be able to realize what happened under his guidance. Great to see from far. And We did not see everything, although we saw much of what we lost.
  • Damask
    Damask 17 February 2016 20: 13
    15
    And the main thing is that they convince that the population of Russia is lazy, drunk, they don’t want to work, familiar businessmen with foam at the mouth prove that they pay higher than the roof and there’s no one to work, but if you ask, you’ll pay for 3-4 months and this amount is voiced to everyone
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 17 February 2016 20: 13
    19
    My attitude to Stalin is twofold. On the one hand, our family history, when our father was expelled from the party and demoted in fact because taking part in the creation of the Soviet airborne fleet, he studied American and English military magazines, soldered to him bowed to the West (in fact, someone wanted to take the admiral’s position) - sounds wild today. It was not Stalin who was responsible for this, but individual careerists, but the atmosphere of denunciation was created under Stalin. But the grandeur of his deeds stands out from the background of our subsequent leaders. Starting from corn maize to the ever-drunk Yeltsin. Putin should be put on a special note because his story is not over yet. While his reign reminds me of the reign of Emperor Alexander II. Both of them went down in history. Like Alexander, who did the great work of liberating the peasants, Putin went down in history, doing the great thing of reuniting with Crimea, strengthening the people's faith in justice, but like Alexander, he otherwise took a half-hearted position in internal affairs, preserving a semi-colonial economy. I sincerely wish him to finish his reign with dignity and not to find the fate of Alexander.
    1. jPilot
      jPilot 17 February 2016 22: 45
      0
      This is you about the great cause of the liberation of the peasants, after which the expression appeared: "Here's your grandmother and St. George's Day" I think you don't need to explain what it means. Nothing changes with us, they want the best, but it turns out as always.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 18 February 2016 09: 02
        +5
        We were taught at school that the expression "Here's your grandmother and ..." appeared much earlier in the seventeenth century, when the peasants were already enslaved, but they could leave the landowner on St. George's Day, and then they were forbidden to leave the landowners on the only day of the celebration of this saint , I don't know how to call it correctly, because Yuri is a non-church name - distorted George.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 18 February 2016 09: 36
          +1
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          We were taught at school that the expression "Here's your grandmother and ..." appeared much earlier in the seventeenth century, when the peasants were already enslaved, but they could leave the landowner on St. George's Day, and then they were forbidden to leave the landowners on the only day of the celebration of this saint , I don't know how to call it correctly, because Yuri is a non-church name - distorted George.

          Exactly good I can’t say for sure (I’m too lazy to search), but it was not with Godunov, or Aleksey Mikhailovich Tishaysh, most likely with the latter. This day was October 30, after the end of all agricultural work, the peasants had the right to transfer from one landowner to to another, and then they were constantly fixed on the ground, and Yuryev canceled the day-day transition.
  • poquello
    poquello 17 February 2016 20: 18
    -12 qualifying.
    But first, both Putin and all of us need to clearly distinguish between the stages

    Slish Putin, berry green folder, come on.
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  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 17 February 2016 20: 24
    12
    Anyone can kick a dead lion! But not everyone is given the opportunity to try to be a lion himself. ..
  • bober1982
    bober1982 17 February 2016 20: 24
    +2
    .....why patriarchs Sergius and Alexy ..... and hundreds more, if not thousands of ascetics praised and honored his name.
    Here the author greatly exaggerates, this did not happen, and could not be. There was respect for the authorities, albeit godless, for Stalin, as the head of state. Not more than that.
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 17 February 2016 21: 26
      13
      Quote: bober1982
      .....why patriarchs Sergius and Alexy ..... and hundreds more, if not thousands of ascetics praised and honored his name.
      Here the author greatly exaggerates, this did not happen, and could not be. There was respect for the authorities, albeit godless, for Stalin, as the head of state. Not more than that.


      March 9
      Memorial service according to I.V. Stalin in the Patriarch Epiphany Cathedral.
      Speech by Patriarch Alexy before the funeral service:

      “The Great Leader of our people, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, was gone.
      Great, moral, social power was abolished; a force in which the people felt their own power, which he guided in his creative works and enterprises, which he consoled for many years.
      There is no region where the deep gaze of the great Leader does not penetrate.
      People of science were amazed at his deep scientific knowledge in the most diverse fields, his brilliant scientific generalizations; war - his military genius; people of all kinds of labor invariably received powerful support and valuable instructions from him.
      As a man of genius, in every business he discovered what was invisible and inaccessible to the ordinary mind.
      About his intense cares and exploits during the Great Patriotic War, about his brilliant leadership of military operations, which gave us victory over a powerful enemy and in general over fascism; about his many vast daily work on management, on the management of public affairs - extensively and
      convincingly spoke in the press and, especially, at the last farewell today, on the day of his funeral, his closest co-workers.

      His name, as a champion of world peace, and his glorious deeds will live forever.
      We, having gathered to pray for him, cannot pass by the silence of his always benevolent, compassionate attitude to our church needs. Not a single question that we addressed to him was rejected by him; he satisfied all our requests. And a lot of good and useful, thanks to its high authority, has been done for our Church by our Government.

      His memory is unforgettable for us, and our Russian Orthodox Church, mourning his departure from us, sees him off on his last journey, "on the path of all the earth," with fervent prayer.

      In these sad days for us from all sides of our Fatherland from bishops, clergy and believers and from abroad from the Heads and representatives of the Church, as well as from the heterodox, I receive many telegrams in which prayers for him are reported and condolences are expressed to us on occasion this sad loss for us.
      We prayed for him when the news came of his serious illness. And now that he is gone, we pray for the peace of his immortal soul.
      Yesterday, our special delegation of:
      His Eminence Metropolitan Nicholas; representative of the Episcopate, clergy and believers of Siberia, Archbishop of Palladium; the representative of the Episcopate, clergy and believers of Ukraine, Archbishop Nikon and Protopresbyter Father Nikolai, laid a wreath at his tomb and bowed to his dear ashes on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church.
      Prayer, full of Christian love, comes to God. We believe that our prayer for the deceased will be heard by the Lord.
      And to our beloved and unforgettable Joseph Vissarionovich, we prayerfully, with deep, ardent love, proclaim eternal memory ”
      ZhMP, 1953, N 4, p. 3-4
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 17 February 2016 22: 19
        +4
        This is respect, praise and honor the other.
        Patriarch Tikhon was reproached (to put it mildly) for supporting the Bolshevik government, at the most difficult moment for the Church, when atrocities against it were beyond limits. But he kept the Church.
      2. Alexx kruglov
        Alexx kruglov 18 February 2016 00: 27
        +1
        PEOPLE DO NOT DECEIVE

        so sincerely Russian people will not cry about any of the liberal pygmies who have ruled Russia since 1991!

        "The heart is bleeding -

        our beloved, dear!

        bending over the head

        Motherland is crying over you! "

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      4. waleri
        waleri 18 February 2016 07: 35
        +1
        Hello! But as we have a church holiday, so next to V.V. Putin at the service of blasphemers I.V. Stalin, at least the fence is in order. so i think
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 18 February 2016 09: 47
      +3
      Quote: bober1982
      ..... why the patriarchs Sergius and Alexy ..... and hundreds more, if not thousands of ascetics, praised and honored his name.
      Here the author greatly exaggerates, this did not happen, and could not be. There was respect for the authorities, albeit godless, for Stalin, as the head of state. Not more than that.

      "Priest Dmitry Dudko (who spent many years in Stalin's camps):
      “… If you look at Stalin from a divine point of view, then this, in fact, was a special person, given by God, kept by God, even his opponents write about this,” Fr Dmitry reflects. - If Trotsky won with his permanent revolution ... we would all be a labor army for the dark forces. But it was Stalin who practically proved that socialism can be built in one country and preserved Russia ... Therefore, as an Orthodox Christian and a Russian patriot, I bow low to Stalin. "(C) from the book" Stalin and the Church ". The author-compiler P. Pobedonostsev, it contains opinions about Stalin of various people, including the canonized by the Orthodox Church of St. Luke, Archbishop of Crimea, Patriarchs of Moscow and All Russia Sergius and Alexy I.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 18 February 2016 21: 30
        0
        This is just the private opinion of Father Dmitry, who can be called an eternal "dissident" (with all due respect to him), and who was imprisoned not only in Stalin's camps, but also in Brezhnev's isolation wards, and who even managed to be a church "dissident".
        To understand the attitude of the Orthodox Church towards power, read the 13th chapter of the Epistle to the Romans of St. Apostle Paul, unless of course there is a desire (I do not impose), not to quote it here.
  • 97110
    97110 17 February 2016 20: 30
    +8
    trumpets trumpeted
    rapid jack
    Like a scalpel, Stalin burned out

    God forbid to find the saving hand of Stalin, reaching for him from the great era of victories and accomplishments in the mournful hour experienced by Russia!
    I cannot but pay attention to the first two quotes. After all, you are writing about "Stalin's saving hand". Try to do without the trumpeting timpani and burning scalpels. In a very important article, for the first time raising the question of Stalin's rehabilitation and the need to use the achievements of the USSR in building the national economy ... I stumbled over the "national economy". What to do with capitalism? Neshto Abramovich and others like him will give up everything they got back?
    1. PKK
      PKK 17 February 2016 21: 49
      +3
      If you remove the oligarchs, thieves, and loafers in capitalism, you get socialism. This is what Stalin did, adding strict centralization and personal responsibility for the task entrusted.
      1. waleri
        waleri 18 February 2016 07: 25
        +2
        The main personal responsibility (personal) is not the same as in KHAKASIA, after the April fires, the money allocated to the victims of the fire was plundered, in the most insolent way, there are no guilty persons in the administration. That's the trouble, no one is responsible for anything, they continue to invest in their pockets, either through inflated salaries and positions, or by veiled participation in business, hiding behind the fact that he is not a trader, but his wife, relatives, etc. That’s scary for the system of RUSSIA. read http://www.19rus.info/ so I think
  • Stinger
    Stinger 17 February 2016 20: 37
    +1
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    The author keeps his nose to the wind. Putin scolded Lenin and he branded. If Putin scolds Stalin, then he will find something to stigmatize. This is what he wanted to say. As Nathan said when he came home, having fused a half-dead cow to Schweik's comrades: "Elsa, my life, the soldiers are stupid, and Nathan is your
    wise!"
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 17 February 2016 22: 15
      +7
      Quote: Stinger
      The author holds his nose in the wind. Putin scolded Lenin and he branded. If Putin scolds Stalin, then he will find something to brand.

      And how did the author forget that the Darkest One unambiguously called the Stalinist regime "ugly"?
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 17 February 2016 20: 39
    14
    Near Stalin there was an abyss of statesmen, real heroes of labor and war, designers, diplomats, scientists, just wonderful hard workers, cultural figures .... there was also a certain scum of scoundrels and crooks.
    Of the current government, only desperate guys in unloading deserve kind words ... everything else is infantile emptiness and thieves.
  • alex86
    alex86 17 February 2016 20: 43
    -6

    when you say the impression is that you are raving
  • Diviz
    Diviz 17 February 2016 20: 46
    0
    Stalin cannot be considered separately from time and cannot be shoved in our time. Stalin is a pseudonym and no one writes what kind of person he really was — moreover, from different sides, neither religious nor psychic nor philosophical, etc. But in Soviet times, they could imagine that the Georgian president will head the Odessa region. Although, in principle, this went back with Shevarnadze, and if you still drip, this resentment may have gone back since the days of the Caucasian war. You see this historical web, someone constantly pulls.
  • barsik92090
    barsik92090 17 February 2016 20: 49
    +1
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    These are the "koshaks" raised by "educational reformers" who do not remember their kind and tribe - the main threat to Russia.
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 17 February 2016 20: 50
    +2
    Stalin is an integral part of the history of Russia, that part of it, which can be called a turning point, in which it was decided whether we could survive or disappear from the face of the earth, and without the presence of the Will of this person, the history of the country by now would have ended ... In too I personally would not begin to somehow unequivocally evaluate that era, because in the energy-information field of the Universe there is no bad and good, harmful and useful, and therefore it is necessary to look at all political and state processes very objectively and completely without human emotions. Often in the name of global goals necessary for peoples and states, one has to sacrifice human lives and material resources.
  • DPN
    DPN 17 February 2016 20: 53
    +4
    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    but as Putin correctly said, it was a time bomb that worked in 1991.

    Putin had to say something, so he said. and the bomber turned out to be offended by the CPSU drunk Yeltsin, who managed to deceive the PEOPLE.
  • Russia
    Russia 17 February 2016 20: 56
    +2
    Other more significant, fundamental factors are accumulating that are prompting both our society as a whole and the country's president, in particular, to turn more and more to the experience of building the red empire and there to look for clues and answers to the urgent questions of today's Russia.


    Well said.
    It’s not necessary to find fault with your story, but to learn from it! And there is something!
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 17 February 2016 20: 58
    +9
    Quote: kuz363
    Shut up, stupid! You don't need to read Voennoe Obozreniye and other complicated things. Your level is Murzilka children's magazine.
    L
    Let’s insult your level drop suspiciously hi
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 17 February 2016 21: 01
    11
    Quote: kuz363
    Or maybe Russia should first understand its national structure? This is also a kind of bomb. And then think about the arrangement of the USSR.

    Understand, but those who do not remember their history will not be able to build their future! Even in the course on the History of the CPSU, it was said about the struggle of 2 points of view on the structure of the state: 1- Leninist (republics with the right to self-determination and the possibility of exit, respectively); 2- Stalinist (federal structure). The Leninist party won, as it gained the largest number of supporters. We all see the result. So Stalin really calculated all the possible consequences of the decision-making, while the Leninists and Trotskyists "beautifully criticized" Stalin's line, having no idea what their "beauty" of loud and populist slogans would backfire on the country! Thanks to a tough struggle against these internal party currents, Stalin succeeded in making a backward post-revolutionary country an advanced power! And the current liberals in 25 years cannot do even one-tenth of what Stalin did, and this despite the powerful scientific backlog they inherited from the USSR. hi
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 17 February 2016 21: 22
      +6
      Comparing the Leninist and Stalinist model of the formation of the Soviet state, one should take into account the specific political situation in the republics, which at that time had been independent states for 5 years. In particular, even then in Georgia they agreed to enter the ZSFSR and from there to the USSR only on condition that the republics were equal in the USSR (Mdivani!). Therefore, the Stalinist model, with all its attractiveness, even then, IMHO was utopian. Even the creation of the USSR according to the Leninist model entailed several national uprisings (especially in Georgia), if the Stalinist model prevailed, nationalist uprisings would take place more powerfully. Therefore, Lenin put forward his model from the situation. that politics is the art of the possible.
  • Alexx kruglov
    Alexx kruglov 17 February 2016 21: 06
    +1
    On the expanses of the wonderful Motherland,
    Tempering in battles and labor,
    We made a joyful song
    About a great friend and leader!

    Stalin is our military glory
    Stalin - the flight of our youth.
    With songs, fighting and winning
    Our people are coming for Stalin!

    The sunniest and brightest land
    All Soviet land has become
    Stalin's bountiful harvest
    Collective farm fields are expanding!

    Chorus.

    More beautiful dawn of spring dawn
    Youth's happy time.
    Stalin's smile warmed
    Our kids are happy!

    Chorus.

    We are given sparkling wings
    Great courage is given to us.
    Songs of love and plenty
    Soviet country is famous!

    Stalin is our military glory
    Stalin - the flight of our youth.
    With songs, fighting and winning
    Our people are coming for Stalin!

    1. Nikodimov
      Nikodimov 17 February 2016 21: 18
      +5
      Eh ... I once had a book of 1951 ... It was called - "The Great Stalin". Binding - high relief, paper - coated, On the first pages - hand-made portraits of Lenin and Stalin, covered with tissue paper. So there - panegyrics to Grandfather in poetry, plays, stories, stories, essays and so on. Mikhalkov Sr. was not the last there, which is not surprising ...

      It’s a pity, the wife gave some Prokhfessor when she defended the candidate ...
  • Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 17 February 2016 21: 08
    11
    Eh, well, to what extent they like to insert some abstruse reasoning from time to time.
    Metaphysics of Stalin ....
    esoteric Beria .... Mikoyan’s occultism .... Khrushchev’s hacking ... Gorbachev’s idiotism.
    Because we come up with a biting, non-binding name, it will become clearer whether, where, and why the Soviet power went, escaping into space.
    .
    People were inspired by the gigantic IDEA - to do something that had no analogues.
    And those who were not inspired - ... how to say something ... well, who was in the army knows - "if you can't - we will teach, if you don't want to, we will force you" - and here.
    Every mold sat in the back streets and looked around with a gasp .. and ugto see ugto. And will report ...
    And those who could solve something were checked in real work - promised, did ... didn’t - goodbye ... in Kolyma with ICE. (So, like a trust was called).
    All sorts of bodies ... punitive ... then they punished, then they destroyed themselves ...
    ....
    Even this shpien, the traitor Suvorov, and then in his dilogy about the Firebird, shows such an organization of labor under Stalin that Ford did not even dream of.
    ....
    All these, of course, are words.
    But the fact was that by lowering the PRICE of essential goods, the Stalinist economy solved how many tasks - reducing costs, respectively, increasing productivity, inspiring people (although there wasn’t much why) ... there are other aspects.
    But the main thing is caring for people!
    Realistically or propagandists, no matter already. The main thing is the people BELIEVED.
    .
    And not universal disbelief and despondency, as it is now. Since February 15, the price increase in public transport. Granny's high, right?
    1. Alexx kruglov
      Alexx kruglov 17 February 2016 22: 41
      +1
      The centuries-old our Leader and Teacher I.V. Stalin SO took care of the welfare of a simple working man like no Russian Tsar before him and no General Secretary and President after him:

      In 1946, the salary of workers and engineers and technical workers working at enterprises and construction sites in the Urals, Siberia and the Far East increased by 20%. In the same year, official salaries of people with higher and secondary specialized education (engineering, science, education and medicine) increase by 20%. The importance of academic degrees and titles is rising. The salary of a professor, doctor of sciences increases from 1600 to 5000 rubles, associate professor, candidate of sciences - from 1200 to 3200 rubles, university rector from 2500 to 8000 rubles. At research institutes, the scientific degree of a candidate of sciences began to add 1000 rubles to the official salary, and doctors of sciences - 2500 rubles. At the same time, the salary of the union minister was 5000 rubles, and the secretary of the party district committee was 1500 rubles. Stalin, as Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, had a salary of 10 thousand rubles. Scientists in the USSR at that time also had additional incomes, sometimes several times higher than their salaries. Therefore, they were the richest and at the same time the most respected part of Soviet society.

    2. waleri
      waleri 18 February 2016 07: 16
      +3
      Hello! I had to delve into the ideology of the Anglo-Saxons, so as not to say much, I will only give an excerpt from the so-called plan: Original text:
      http://www.sakva.ru/Nick/NSC_20_1.html
      ".. THE PROBLEM OF" DECOMMUNIZATION "
      In any territory liberated from the Soviet government, we will encounter the human remains of the Soviet power apparatus.
      It is likely that in the event of an orderly withdrawal of troops from present Soviet territory, the local apparatus of the Communist Party will go underground, as it did in the areas captured by the Germans during the last war. Then he again emerges in the form of partisan groups and detachments. At this stage, the problem of handling it will be relatively simple; we only need to provide the necessary weapons and military support to any non-communist government that is able to control the area, and allow this government to handle communist gangs in accordance with the traditional methods of the Russian civil war.
      A more difficult problem will be ordinary members of the Communist Party or the state apparatus, who will be exposed and arrested, or surrender to the mercy of our forces or any Russian authorities that exist on the territory.
      Here again, we must avoid taking responsibility for deciding the fate of these people or for issuing direct orders to local authorities on this matter. We must have the right to insist on their disarmament and their exclusion from leadership positions in government until they provide clear evidence of a sincere revision of their views. Basically, however, this should remain a problem for any Russian government that has replaced the communist regime. We can be confident that such a government will be more capable than we are of judging the danger these ex-communists pose to the new regime and treating them in such a way as to prevent possible harm from them in the future. Our main concern is to ensure that no communist regime like the current one is re-established in the territories that we have already liberated and which we have decided should remain free from communist control. Beyond that, we must be very careful not to get caught up in the problem of “decommunization.” What else can be said and added? This policy of the Americans is now being partially implemented, as in the Khakasia, after the April fires, money was stolen and, most importantly, there is no culprit in the leadership of the republic, as well as a petty bribe taker with the formation of a fur technical school. Horror!. so i think
  • red_october
    red_october 17 February 2016 21: 10
    11
    Yes, Stalin is a figure who, in 100 years, will continue to comprehend ...
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 17 February 2016 21: 53
      +3
      Quote: red_october
      Yes, Stalin is a figure who, in 100 years, will continue to comprehend ...

      and be afraid ...
      to be afraid in their imagination-created images, and to white knee fight in hysteria at the mere mention of the name Stalin ...!
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 17 February 2016 22: 00
        -7
        Quote: SpnSr
        and be afraid ...
        to be afraid in their imagination-created images, and to white knee fight in hysteria at the mere mention of the name Stalin ...!
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr 18 February 2016 01: 51
          0