Stalin's metaphysics

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Stalin's metaphysics


Nowadays, the names of the leaders of the Soviet era are increasingly heard at the highest level. They sound in a critical, then in an approving manner.

In one of his recent public speeches, the Russian president negatively assessed Lenin’s policy in creating the USSR. About Stalin really very bad today is not often remembered. The wave of violent hysteria that peaked a few years ago was somewhat subsiding. In our opinion, this expresses something more than just a change of mood in that liberal intellectual environment, which, in fact, gave rise to terry anti-Stalinism. Other, more weighty, fundamental factors are piling up that encourage both our society as a whole and the country's president, in particular, to increasingly turn to the experience of building the red empire and look for clues and answers to the pressing questions of today's Russia. Is it not from this series that there is a revival of the TRP and vocational schools, attempts to recreate quasi-pioneer and personnel reserve, which “decides everything”?

Who was Joseph Stalin for Russia and for himself? Who is he - a tyrant, a misanthrope, a mass murderer, how do all these Fedotovs and Svanidze paint him with foaming at the mouth? Or the great and still not fully comprehended savior and creator of the Russian state, from the phenomenal experience of which it is possible to draw the necessary decisions and revelations for centuries? The question is exactly that, edge. Otherwise, it cannot be put today, for, no matter how sounding the timpani in the Kremlin trumpeted, every sane person realizes that the neoliberal model imposed on Russia from the outside is bursting at the seams and pulling us to the bottom. It is clear that the inevitable collapse of this model is unacceptable neither to the ruling class, nor to the masses of the people, that it is necessary to change something, moreover - on a large scale, decisively and meaningfully, without waiting for it to reach the bottom. This is precisely the reason for the lively interest expressed and unspoken by Putin to the legacy of the patriarchs of the USSR.

But for a start, both Putin and all of us need to clearly distinguish between stages — Lenin and Stalin. Being for an inexperienced historian in the same ideological bundle, they, nevertheless, due to polar differences, are essentially diametrically opposed. If the Leninist-Trotsky regime tried to destroy the cultural and religious soil of traditional Russian statehood to its foundations - devastated temples, implanted frenzied satanic rebellion, turned every page into a glorious stories Russia, from Prince Vladimir to the last Romanov, a multi-ton roller of proletcult drove into the asphalt the names of the great Russian commanders, writers, thinkers and spiritual seekers, propagated throughout the country fornication and emergency, issued orders for the destruction of the clergy (and, the more, the better), the gradual rise in the communist hierarchy of Stalin was accompanied by a steady reversal in this policy along all lines.

It was Stalin who buried the Comintern, whose task was to incite the world fire of the proletarian revolution with the help of Russia as an expendable material. It was he who returned the honor and dignity to the slandered names of Alexander Nevsky and Pushkin, Suvorov and Ushakov. According to his will, the great Russian science was resurrected and strengthened, and the dignity of the officer class rose. A gigantic industrial breakthrough was completed, which laid the infrastructure for victory in the Great Patriotic War. On behalf of Stalin, it is impossible to tear off the victory of the Soviet people in the nuclear confrontation in the USA and the conquest of space. It is necessary to completely lose objectivity and honesty in order not to understand: the security of today's Russia is entirely built on that powerful foundation with a 10-multiple safety factor, which was laid in the era of Stalin. This also applies to the formal authority of our country in international politics.

But there is another, hidden, mysterious, metaphysical side of this person and this stage in the history of our Motherland. The side that is deliberately or unintentionally forgotten, as ardent haters, so sometimes sympathizing with the "great leader." It is all the more important that it is precisely in our days, when a wave of rabid Satanism and Westernism covered Russia weakened after the collapse of the USSR, this metaphysical mystery of Stalin begins to show more and more clearly to the surface, disturbing minds. In fact, as one person who did not have an academic education, he managed to grasp the immensity, defeat countless enemies within the country and around the world. He did not suffer, like Suvorov, a single serious defeat in both civilian and military areas. Here opinions differ. Some speak of the monstrous working capacity of Stalin, who did not know the weekend, slept six hours a day and read 300 typed pages a day. He kept in his mind thousands of names, owned encyclopedic knowledge in various fields. He knew and appreciated the Russian language brilliantly. At the same time, according to eyewitness accounts, he was unusually patient, polite and infinitely merciful to ordinary people. As for the leader’s iron hand, the bloody trail of repression, the red line passing through his entire fate, this blood for many spiritually enlightened people was not the blood of torture and shame, but the inevitable result of the surgical operation that God’s Providence after 1917 had performed over fallen troubled Russia. Stalin in this immensely complex, protracted and painful operation Stalin, as is becoming increasingly clear, served as a scalpel in the hands of God. Hence the word “steel” in his party pseudonym. Like a scalpel, Stalin burned, destroyed the cancer cells of Lenin's nihilism from the prostrate body of the country. Waves of repression rolled from Smolensk to Vladivostok, collided with each other, raising the bloody foam of denunciations and settling accounts ... In the course of this struggle, the Stalinists fought the Trotskyists to death, and using their dominant position in the NKVD, they reciprocated. A terrible great unrest in which it is impossible to do without a huge number of innocent victims.

But the question arises involuntarily: why did the patriarchs Sergius and Alexy, Metropolitan Nikolai (Yarushevich), Saint Luke, and hundreds more, if not thousands of devotees, praise and honor his name. Who was he really? Great overlord or, nevertheless, a warrior-monk who did not know rest and self-interest. Just myself, to the last second, who gave service to the Russian people. The answer is already very close, and it comes to the surface more and more clearly through the dirty ripples of idle speculation and the swamp of paid publications. May God find the saving hand of Stalin, reaching for him from the great epoch of victories and accomplishments in the sorrowful hour experienced by Russia!
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  1. -37
    17 February 2016 19: 48
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?
    1. +178
      17 February 2016 19: 50
      Quote: Koshak
      But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

      Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb. hi
      1. +69
        17 February 2016 19: 54
        And yet - what oh how lacking now
        Stalin’s saving hand, stretching from the great era of victories and accomplishments in the mournful hour experienced by Russia!
        against the enemies of the people! on any liberasov- "clever", on everyone who throws mud at Russia, the Russian WORLD! On traitors to the Motherland!
        1. +132
          17 February 2016 19: 58
          Quote: Baikonur
          And what now oh how not enough

          And then he already foresaw what was happening today, and the liberals squealed against him because they knew they would be the first, like thieves and bribe takers, and sent to the wall or to the camp. hi
          1. +70
            17 February 2016 20: 20
            Quote: 79807420129
            and the liberals squeal against him because they know they were the first to be sent as thieves and bribe-takers to the wall or to the camp.

            That's for sure. (Click)
            1. +8
              17 February 2016 20: 32
              In the phrase "The total US losses on all fronts did not exceed 50OO00!" Two zeros - not in the font!

              PS: Look who has not seen
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iodz9mgfOMs
              At a meeting of the Izborsk club: ... Glazyev. ~ from 14 min. alignment on the situation in the country!
              He is an adviser to the president. So why, if you know all the dealings, what happens is happening !?
              1. +33
                17 February 2016 23: 11
                Quote: Baikonur
                At a meeting of the Izborsk club: ... Glazyev. ~ from 14 min. alignment on the situation in the country!
                He is an adviser to the president. So why, if you know all the dealings, what happens is happening !?

                So Glazyev explains everything, there is a struggle between the financial oligarchy and supporters of the so-called planned-market direction.
                One and even several presidential advisers, this colossus, called the economy, cannot be deployed 180 degrees in place, apparently too many resisting. In order to begin to make structural changes, the existing economic system must obviously reach a certain point of no return.
                In the meantime, note that in the regions, unobtrusively, there is a gradual rotation of the top of the local government, someone is being jailed for bribes or theft, someone is leaving voluntarily-for their own free will, new people come, and they are unlikely to be followers of young reformers from 90s.
                The point is small, wait until the financial and economic sector in the government is finally completed, and the process, hopefully, will become irreversible.
                This may be too optimistic scenario, but I see something like this ...
                1. +5
                  18 February 2016 03: 51
                  .. It’s a pity, only to live at this wonderful time, neither I nor you will have to ...
                  1. -24
                    18 February 2016 07: 27
                    The author is right that he divided Lenin's "socialism" and Stalin's socialism. But unfortunately, Stalin had not only victories but also mistakes. For example, the author attributes to Stalin the successes in the conquest of space. This is when Sergei Pavlovich was almost ditched in Kolyma? Or take an example of how the repression was carried out against genetic scientists. As a result, the USSR turned from a grain exporter into an importer. And the quality of the grain fell to such lows that it was only good for forage. And they could not cope with this problem until the collapse of the USSR. The fact that Stalin took the country with a plow and left with the atomic truth is true. But whatever one may say, the country was first brought to the plow by Stalin's accomplices in the revolution. Or, before the revolution in Russia, tractors were not produced, schools were not built, power plants were not erected. With the same success, one can say about Yeltsin, who accepted the country with a calculator and left it with a laptop.
                    1. +9
                      18 February 2016 09: 04
                      With Chinese or what?
                      1. 0
                        18 February 2016 10: 20
                        And during industrialization, from whom did the country of the Soviets buy machines and equipment? Whose engineers hired for the construction of socialism?
                      2. +22
                        18 February 2016 14: 22
                        Dear Stalin, he bought the means of production, and during Yeltsin the only means of production was a baseball bat. all traded and produced nothing. oh yes, they also stole. and plundered. Stop confusing warm with soft!
                      3. +8
                        18 February 2016 23: 25
                        Quote: Mahmut
                        And during industrialization, from whom did the country of the Soviets buy machines and equipment? Whose engineers hired for the construction of socialism?

                        Nothing could have been created if the people had not been involved in the construction. You see, people studied, people built, people built. And Stalin created all the conditions for this.
                    2. +25
                      18 February 2016 09: 21
                      Quote: Mahmut
                      This is when Sergei Pavlovich was almost killed in Kolyma?

                      Can you tell me why S.P. Korolev was almost ditched in Kolyma, although in fact he was serving time in the Pot'min camps? Could it be because the funds allocated for research in one area, it seems in aerodynamics, he spent on creation of jet technology, which was not planned in the design bureau. I did not get the result right away, the money was wasted, it was for the waste that he got a deadline. And then, when the need arose to develop missiles, Korolev was transferred to the "sharashka". By the way, for two or three days on the website "Empire" there was an article about LP Beria and the statements of academicians who worked in "sharashki" were quoted and not one, NOT ONE said a bad word about Beria.
                      1. -16
                        18 February 2016 10: 11
                        That is, you acknowledge that Stalin did not allocate money for the development of rocket science. And scientists for not targeting funds (not embezzlement) were sent not to sharashka, but to criminals for hard labor.

                        the statements of academicians who worked in "sharashki" were cited and not one, NOT ONE said a bad word about Beria.

                        Maybe because these academics did not have to work under the leadership of Beria. But do not tell me why Kapitsa refused to lead the work on the atomic project. Is it because of Beria?
                      2. +8
                        18 February 2016 10: 15
                        Twitching! Thickening on negation! Do not be fooled by the type of "facts" and the type of "analyzes." hi
                        Long to explain, at least for the whole article. We have already talked about this!
                      3. +3
                        18 February 2016 10: 47
                        And how did Academician Kapitsa survive after that?
                      4. +5
                        18 February 2016 20: 13
                        Quote: avva2012
                        And how did Academician Kapitsa survive after that?

                        On August 20, 1945, by the decree of the GKO, a Special Committee was created to manage "all work on the use of intra-atomic energy of uranium." In the initial composition, only two physicists worked in it - P.L. Kapitsa and I.V. Kurchatov. But Kapitsa could not work out with Beria, who was involved in the implementation of the atomic project - he could not stand Lavrenty Pavlovich, who, according to Kapitsa, ruined many wonderful scientists in the Gulag. Referring to the conflict with committee chairman L.P. Beria, Kapitsa in letters to Stalin on October 3 and November 25 asks to release him from work on the committee. Naturally, Beria did not like this very much, and he began to convince Stalin that it was time to teach Kapitsa a lesson. However, the leader replied that the condition for Kapitsa’s return to the USSR was the word he had given to the Queen of Great Britain that no repressions would threaten the scientist, moreover, all working conditions would be created for him.
                        As a result, on December 21, Kapitsa’s request is granted, after which he, in fact, is referred to the cottage in Nikolina Gora (Odintsovo district). It was here that Kapitsa was able to fully devote himself to scientific research, the search for new ideas and new directions in physics.
                        After Stalin's death in 1955, he was reinstated as director of the Institute of Physical Problems of the USSR Academy of Sciences, and was appointed editor-in-chief of the Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics. “To lead means not to stop good people from working,” he then wrote down his next catch phrase.
                    3. 0
                      18 February 2016 20: 34
                      Mahmut (1) RU

                      For example, the author attributes to Stalin success in conquering space. This is when Sergei Pavlovich was almost killed in Kolyma?


                      And now I’ll ask the author to explain thanks to whom Korolev ended up in Kolyma?

                      Maybe at the same time he will answer why the BI interceptor was equipped with a liquid propellant rather than a jet engine.

                      And also the author, please name the creator of "branched wheat" who first supported geneticists, and then changed the position to the opposite
                    4. +9
                      19 February 2016 10: 54
                      Quote: Mahmut
                      Or before the revolution in Russia tractors were not produced, schools were not built, and power plants were not built.

                      Yes, there were no tractors, no cars, no planes. Import was 95%, and during the WWII period it was close to 100%. Power plants were not actually built. Engineering was in decline. Over the past years before the WWII, the construction of railways managed to be reduced by 4 times. The quality of grain in the Republic of Ingushetia was just below the plinth, due to the lack of grain stock. And it began to change only in the 30s for the better. Only rye grew everywhere. In the last years before the WWI, funding for education and science, and so miserable, was halved. Private industrialists undertook only military orders at inflated prices, civilian equipment and goods were hardly produced. Actually, we have almost slipped into this state over the past 25 years.
                    5. +7
                      19 February 2016 14: 03
                      Yes, tractors were not built in Russia before the revolution. There were no factories for the production of engines for cars, tractors and aircraft either. If something was produced, as at Russo-Balt, then it was individual copies or small series of ten engines assembled "on the knee". And we must not forget that the tsar was overthrown not by the Bolsheviks, but by the liberals. Back in February 17. And then they made such a mess that power simply fell into the hands of the Bolsheviks like ripe fruit. Although I do not argue that Stalin made some mistakes.
          2. +40
            17 February 2016 20: 35
            Stalin wrote during his lifetime that his name would be trampled and slandered by the enemies of the USSR. But then life will show him right. The first part was performed by Khrushchev. But until the second until we survived
            1. +27
              17 February 2016 20: 42
              He walked from house to house,
              Knocking at other people's doors
              With an old oak panduri
              With a simple song of his own.

              And in his song, and in the song -
              How the sun shine is clear
              Great truth sounded
              Sublime dream.

              Hearts turned to stone
              Managed to beat
              Many woke up his mind,
              Dozing in deep darkness.

              But instead of the greatness of fame
              People of his land
              Outcast Poison
              Presented in a bowl.

              They told him: "Damned,
              Drink, drain to the bottom ...
              And your song is alien to us
              And your truth is not needed! "
            2. +1
              17 February 2016 21: 03
              So already shown.
              1. +31
                17 February 2016 21: 26
                Quote: gergi
                So already shown.

                And since the 90s - The same thing: (only to "Voice of America", "Freedom" and "BBC" add "Rain", "Echo of Moscow", ... well, you know! more dirt !!! And Stalin would just SHOOT this dirt!)
                In March 1949, the magazine "Crocodile" placed D. Belyaev’s feuilleton "Hipster". So began to call young people who wore tight trousers, intricate hairstyles and clothes of eye-catching flowers, lovers of bright, as they said then, “foreign stickers”. They were fond of the infamous boogie-woogie dance. Most of them did not possess high intelligence, few of them could formulate their public positions and political views. What danger seemed to emanate from them? But it was precisely on such short-sighted, ideologically unstable young people that the poisonous arrows of subversive anti-Soviet broadcasts of the Voice of America, Liberty and BBC radio stations were sent. We are indebted to these hostile radio voices for creating “bacilli carriers of materialism” by today's unprecedented servility to foreigners both at the level of power structures and in the ranks of the so-called “democratic opposition”.
                I recall the verses “On Fashion and Weather” about a guy who came to his native collective farm dressed all overseas, as in the picture, but when the rain poured, “light yellow boots asked me to drink right away, his shirt crawled into a cage, his tie turned into rubbish before his eyes everyone’s vest is spreading at the seams ”... And this long poem ends like this:

                One of the authors of the "Anthem of the Soviet Union," Sergei Vladimirovich Mikhalkov, wrote:
                “We know there are more families,
                Where our screaming and scolding,
                Where they look with emotion
                On foreign stickers
                And they eat Russian fat. ”
            3. +3
              17 February 2016 23: 52
              Quote: kuz363
              But until the second until we survived

              Well, why, in part, his innocence is already being drawn.
          3. +1
            17 February 2016 21: 55
            Here Zhukov’s research on declassified archives http://www.litmir.co/br/?b=191167&p=1
            1. +8
              17 February 2016 22: 39
              Quote: Sura
              Here Zhukov’s research on declassified archives http://www.litmir.co/br/?b=191167&p=1

              I like Yu. Zhukov - smartest, with encyclopedic knowledge - and all this under the appearance of a retired milling machine operator, who stood at the machine tool for 45 years and was met by chance while fishing! Well done man!
              1. 0
                18 February 2016 08: 04
                Здесь его регалии https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%96%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%AE%D1%80%D0%B8
                %D0%B9_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
          4. +30
            17 February 2016 22: 40
            We will constantly return to the name of Stalin and to the era where, in fact, our roots lie, these roots in the Civil War, the intervention that the Red Army defeated on the fix, these roots in an unprecedented upsurge of self-consciousness of bast Russia from total slavery to the first the flight of a man into space, that era is Victory in a bloody war, it is industrialization at an unprecedented rate to the village, and most importantly these are people who did not have to stomp on foot, like Lomonosov in St. Petersburg, people became a fundamental part of that, namely, the human value system and these people defeated fascism.
            1. +2
              18 February 2016 00: 37
              I will correct it. Do not come back, but come back to again push forward, before it’s too late.
            2. +14
              18 February 2016 05: 11
              Thank you so much for the clip! I looked, and tears in my eyes! These are the songs that should be on the first channels, and not show the dumb voiceless pop music !!!
          5. +2
            19 February 2016 09: 55
            It seems that he predicts what happened by dreams. Better Wangi will be.
          6. +3
            19 February 2016 11: 18
            I'm afraid they will be the first to write denunciations, and to the west articles about repression, as was the case with Solzhenitsyn
        2. +27
          17 February 2016 20: 01
          Regarding Lenin, Putin spoke negatively about him in the context of the fact that Lenin defined the borders and rights of the Union republics, which then used these rights and left the USSR. Then, of course, he could not have imagined that this would be possible, Lenin thought about the friendship of peoples, and thus wanted to emphasize the special rights of the Union republics, but as Putin correctly said, it was a time bomb that worked in 1991.
          1. +9
            17 February 2016 20: 11
            Exactly! And liberals are changing his words in their own way!
          2. -5
            17 February 2016 20: 38
            Or maybe Russia should first understand its national structure? This is also a kind of bomb. And then think about the arrangement of the USSR.
            1. +12
              17 February 2016 21: 36
              Nor will there be any arrangement for a new USSR — most of the former republics are already hostile to Russia and this enmity will intensify from year to year.
              1. +9
                17 February 2016 22: 42
                Quote: Vadim237
                Nor will there be any arrangement of a new USSR - Most of the former republics are already hostile to Russia and this enmity will intensify from year to year.
                1. +1
                  19 February 2016 16: 18
                  But at least it’s clear who is friend and who is enemy.
              2. +5
                17 February 2016 22: 54
                they want to eat - enmity will be replaced by friendship, but it is meaner than enmity
              3. +9
                17 February 2016 23: 54
                This is all superficial. 25 years they were hammered that Russia is evil. We must develop our own counter-propaganda. And then everyone who is driven underground for Russia. When the Nazis occupied part of the territory of the USSR there, too, only curses were heard in our direction and praise of Hitler. Therefore, do not think that everything is so bad. Although you should not think that there will be no resistance to unification.
              4. +6
                18 February 2016 15: 13
                The ugliest thing is that these pieces of our country suddenly invented some kind of history of their own and consider themselves damned Russian for several hundred years.
              5. +1
                18 February 2016 23: 43
                Quote: Vadim237
                Nor will there be any arrangement for a new USSR — most of the former republics are already hostile to Russia and this enmity will intensify from year to year.

                Nothing. let them live on their own and they will understand something.
            2. +1
              18 February 2016 09: 28
              It's like putting us Russians at the forefront, so I agree to be an ordinary cementing force.
          3. -3
            17 February 2016 21: 08
            Good grandfather Lenin was put on the friendship of peoples. To him, and his government, by a strange coincidence, consisting of Jews, the peoples making up the population of Russia were alien. It was a team of ghouls, cold-blooded killers and sadists, enjoying the suffering of millions of people and stuffing their pockets. I hate it!
            1. +22
              17 February 2016 21: 25
              I hate it!


              We must relate to history calmly. It turns out some kind of hysteria, no one has caught that time, but at the moment they are pulling either rotted breeches or a granite monument. Three thousand years ago, the Greeks noticed that they didn’t go into the same river twice, while they would trample down to delirium tremens along a tattered pool. All that exists today was born yesterday. And if my grandmother had Faberge, then she would be a grandfather.
              1. -6
                17 February 2016 21: 33
                Our story is not a tattered story. This is a great story, unlike yours.
              2. -18
                17 February 2016 22: 18
                I hate not only those, but also the current Bolsheviks, of whom the legion. Those for whom millions of victims for the sake of their social experiments are just statistics. Clarify, calmly, or indifferent?
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                2. +13
                  18 February 2016 00: 38
                  Quote: gergi
                  I hate it!

                  Quote: gergi
                  I hate not only those, but also the current Bolsheviks,

                  You then either remove the flag or put on your underpants
                  1. +2
                    18 February 2016 12: 25
                    Can you order me to emigrate? This is my country and I love it, and I won’t leave it for you to tear to pieces. By the way, if you do not know, Stalin Bolshevichkov spanked in the years 37-38. All this Leninist Kagtava pack. He did not build mythological communism, but a real, powerful, social Empire. And he built it! And what did the Bolsheviks build? They plundered everything, organized hunger in the country, unleashed a civil war. Genocide, and more. If you are a masochist, then love this bastard further.
                    1. +8
                      18 February 2016 14: 29
                      You were only asked not to be hysterical, but they did not whitewash the dear Lenin. And to poke the interlocutor is not the best way to prove. Hate - defeated. Make the country better, so that the bloody story never repeats and your personal merit is in history, and hatred will not warm anyone.
                      1. +2
                        18 February 2016 23: 52
                        Quote: Foxmara
                        Hate - defeated. Make the country better, so that the bloody story never repeats and your personal merit is in history, and hatred will not warm anyone.

                        You're right. But how to make the country better? They don’t give it.
                      2. +2
                        19 February 2016 17: 48
                        How? Be partial and don't let others "sleep". By example. Give birth to children. Educate. What do you want - to win all at once? Society must be changed in order for a qualitative change to become possible. And you can change it from below (or do you need a new Stalin? So he is not there, and if not - yourself, with your feet to the future). If there are many of us, changes will go faster. And no one can stop you from being kind, attentive, sympathetic, strong, sober, smart.
                      3. 0
                        20 February 2016 11: 00
                        Quote: Foxmara
                        And you can change it from below (

                        dear, I’m wondering here at this bottom and see what is happening here ... Being determines consciousness, and only then consciousness can change being!
                      4. +1
                        20 February 2016 10: 58
                        Quote: Villon
                        But how to make the country better?

                        as did Lenin and Stalin
                    2. -1
                      20 February 2016 10: 57
                      Quote: gergi
                      He did not build mythological communism, but a real, powerful, social Empire.

                      Stupid you. You at least read something from the works of Stalin, and then write here about the social empire
                3. 0
                  18 February 2016 09: 33
                  Thus, 1, 2% is torn in sacrifice, and this is just a tribute to atonement.
                  1. 0
                    18 February 2016 12: 29
                    Would you personally like to be in that percentage? Or do you consider yourself exceptional?
            2. +19
              17 February 2016 21: 33
              incorrect question, why did EVERYONE give a damn about the Tsar? Isn't it because this mediocrity-Nikolasha was unable to rule the country?
              The formula “stuffing our pockets” sounds especially strange ....... Tsuryupa (People's Commissariat for Food) who was fainting with hunger or Stalin with patches on his shoes or Trotsky?
              1. +13
                17 February 2016 22: 11
                Trotsky-arm bracket was especially in poverty. For the last penny I bought myself a FORTRESS in Mexico. Silverfish. Pity the poor Jew, the eternal song of the chosen people.
                1. +2
                  18 February 2016 12: 50
                  But is there nothing more that there are more Trotskyists in the world than Leninists? So he didn’t have his own money — they were cut out from the budget of the USSR, but collected in the party ...
                  1. +3
                    18 February 2016 13: 15
                    Yeah, earned overwork. Trotskyists-Leninists, one shobla-obl! To put it mildly. Occupants in a defeated country do not behave as much as these ghouls in Russia.
                    1. +1
                      18 February 2016 18: 42
                      Is it okay that thanks to these "occupants" you can water them with your bile here? Or did they press the tail of your ancestors in their time?
                      "The invaders do not behave like that in a defeated country" - in the INVALID part of the USSR, the real (and not mythical !!!!!!!) invaders destroyed every fourth Belarusians. I can't even imagine how many would have died if the USSR had been defeated ...

                      However, even striped here would have won, Hitler would have crushed England after the collapse of the USSR like a cockroach .....
                  2. +2
                    20 February 2016 11: 03
                    Quote: your1970
                    And is there anything that there are still more Trotskyists in the world than Leninists?

                    Nothing. For the simple reason that the modern world is completely capitalistic, and therefore lackeys of the bourgeoisie are enough.
                    1. -1
                      20 February 2016 13: 22
                      Those. what did Trotsky call you, you don’t know, since the Trotskyists were equated to lackeys? read who the Trotskyists always opposed ... You apparently mixed them up with the liberals feel
              2. +12
                17 February 2016 23: 55
                "List of personal property of Comrade Stalin":

                “On March 5, 1953, at 22 p.m., I, the commandant of the Near Dacha Orlov, the senior attached Starostin, assistant Tukov, an employee of Butusov made an inventory of personal property of comrade Stalin I.V. as directed by comrade Beria.

                1. Notebook for notes, in a cover from a skin of gray color;
                2. Notebook, leather, red;
                3. Personal notes, notes drawn up on separate sheets and tear-off sheets. Numbered a total of 67 sheets (sixty-seven);
                4. General notebook with notes, red cover;
                5. Smoking pipes - 5 pcs. To them: 4 boxes and specials. devices, tobacco. In Comrade Stalin’s office: books, desk accessories, souvenirs are not included in the list. Bedroom and wardrobe:
                6. White tunic - 2 pcs. (The star of the Hero of Socialist Labor is attached to both).
                7. The tunic is gray, semi-daily - 2 pcs .;
                8. The tunic is dark green - 2 pcs .;
                9. Pants - 10;
                10. Underwear is folded in a box under No. 2.

                Boxed under number 3: 6 tunic jackets, 10 trousers, 4 greatcoats, 4 caps. Notebooks, notebooks, and personal notes are packed in a box under No. 1. Bath and shower accessories were packed in box No. 4. Other property belonging to Comrade Stalin was not included in the inventory. The time for completing the inventory and document is 0 hours 45 minutes on March 6, 1953.
                A savings book was discovered in the bedroom, 900 rubles were recorded in it.

                and what is there about our slave in the golden galleys, even if his insignificant secretion Piskov allows himself to publicly flaunt watches for $ 500 thousand?

                Imagine Poskrebyshev in a Swiss watch?
                1. Fat
                  +4
                  18 February 2016 04: 36
                  Quote: Alexx Kruglov
                  Imagine Poskrebyshev in a Swiss watch?

                  I can fully imagine. Undoubtedly, the Supreme Secretary needed a good timepiece ...
                  I.V. there was little personal property (other property belonging to Comrade Stalin was not included in the inventory), more and more "personal" ... Several dachas, apartments in the Kremlin, Packard cars, "souvenirs", books, etc.
                  Probably funny, but everything said does not detract from my respect for I.V. Stalin does not affect the degree of recognition of his outstanding affairs for the benefit of the USSR and Russia.
                2. Fat
                  +2
                  18 February 2016 04: 47
                  and what is there about our slave in the golden galleys, even if his insignificant secretion Piskov allows himself to publicly flaunt watches for $ 500 thousand?

                  Wonderful. It seems like a patriot, but use infa maliciously fake No.
                  1. +3
                    18 February 2016 12: 35
                    You are quoting it in vain, the comment has already been deleted, and you have already come for the author. Joke wink
                3. +2
                  18 February 2016 06: 07
                  1. Notebook for notes, in a cover from a skin of gray color;
                  2. Notebook, leather, red;
                  3. Personal notes, notes drawn up on separate sheets and tear-off sheets. Numbered a total of 67 sheets (sixty-seven);
                  4. General notebook with notes, red cover;
                  5. Smoking pipes - 5 pcs. To them: 4 boxes and specials. devices, tobacco. In Comrade Stalin’s office: books, desk accessories, souvenirs are not included in the list. Bedroom and wardrobe:
                  6. White tunic - 2 pcs. (The star of the Hero of Socialist Labor is attached to both).
                  7. The tunic is gray, semi-daily - 2 pcs .;
                  8. The tunic is dark green - 2 pcs .;
                  9. Pants - 10;
                  10. Underwear is folded in a box under No. 2.
                  Can you imagine how much it costs? Now.
              3. -1
                20 February 2016 11: 01
                Quote: your1970
                Trotsky?

                Trotsky only had one patch on the back of his head. and then posthumously.
            3. +2
              18 February 2016 03: 59
              By the way, grandfather Lenin was 52.
              1. -13
                18 February 2016 12: 37
                Running syphilis is by no means young. Wreck.
                1. +11
                  18 February 2016 13: 06
                  Quote: gergi Running syphilis is by no means young. Wreck.

                  In V.I., Lenin, the Wasserman reaction was negative. Well, bad luck? Moreover, if the blood in a certain stage, it may not be detected, and the person is sick (for various reasons), but here, in the cerebrospinal fluid, the result is one hundred percent. What does Lenin have to do with, they took puncture more than once. Further, syphilis, including sexually transmitted infections. N.K. Krupskaya, lived a few dozen years and nothing!
                  There is a true conclusion of one doctor, but for certain individuals, it, of course, does not matter. H. A. Semashko in the article "What gave the autopsy of Vladimir Ilyich's body" (1924) wrote: "The main artery, which feeds about 3/4 of the entire brain, - the" internal carotid artery "(arteria carotis interna) at the very entrance to the skull turned out to be so hard that its walls at transversely did not fall down, significantly closed the lumen, and in some places they were so saturated with lime that they hit them with tweezers as if they were on a bone. " And, the reason for this condition of the artery? There are several of them (with syphilis, somehow not typical) and one of them: Fanny Kaplan killed Lenin. According to the description: "the bullet passed next to the carotid artery. In the process of healing, scarring, etc., the carotid artery underwent changes, it was partially blocked by 80 percent."
                  And who is the author of "Lenin-Syphilis"? From the latest publications?
                  S.J. Chivers, Retrospective diagnosis: Lenin had syphilis. The New York Times 2004. In 2004, Israeli researchers from Ben Gurion University in the city of Beer Sheva diagnosed the Soviet leader Vladimir Ilyich Lenin with brain syphilis.
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                  2. +2
                    18 February 2016 13: 21
                    Quote: avva2012
                    In V.I., Lenin, the Wasserman reaction was negative. Well, bad luck?

                    I will tell you so. the truth, we do not know, as there was no independent examination. and the very fact of the publication of the type - Lenin had syphilis - is simply not real, but even if it were true

                    Quote: avva2012
                    Further, syphilis, including sexually transmitted infections. N.K. Krupskaya, lived a few dozen years and nothing

                    Have you seen Krupskaya? That would have slept with her had so much to drink fellow , Lenin would definitely not have health.
                    Anyway, how can you? This is Lenin what
                    1. +2
                      18 February 2016 13: 38
                      Quote: atalef I will tell you so. the truth, we do not know, as there was no independent examination. and the very fact of the publication of the type - Lenin had syphilis - is simply not real, but even if it were true

                      Anatomical diagnosis. Common arteriosclerosis of arteries with pronounced damage to the arteries of the brain. Atherosclerosis of the descending part of the aorta. Hypertrophy of the left ventricle of the heart, multiple foci of yellow softening (due to vascular sclerosis) in the left hemisphere of the brain during the period of resorption and transformation into cysts. Fresh hemorrhage in the vascular plexus of the brain over the quadruple. Bone callus of the humerus.Conclusion. The basis of the deceased's illness is widespread atherosclerosis of the vessels due to their premature wear (Abnutzungssclerose). Due to the narrowing of the lumen of the arteries of the brain and a violation of its nutrition from insufficient blood flow, focal softening of the brain tissue occurred, explaining all the preceding symptoms of the disease (paralysis, speech disorders). The immediate cause of death was: 1) increased circulatory disorders in the brain; 2) hemorrhage in the pia mater in the quadruple region ".
                      An autopsy was started at 11 hours 10 minutes and ended at 15 hours 50 minutes 22 January 1924 years.
                      Bullshit, that's all, Alexander! Stalin with a revolver stood behind. And other colleagues of the anatomist, already forehead smeared with brilliant green. wassat
                      1. +1
                        18 February 2016 14: 14
                        I don’t care what his diagnosis is! When they received me, inadvertently, in October, they said that this was a good grandfather! Well, let grandfather stay! At the expense of kindness, I'm not sure, rather the opposite.
                      2. +1
                        18 February 2016 14: 31
                        Quote: gergi I don’t care what his diagnosis is! When they received me, inadvertently, in October, they said that this was a good grandfather! Well, let grandfather stay! At the expense of kindness, I'm not sure, rather the opposite.

                        Well, you, as in that joke.
                        "Lenin lived, Lenin is alive, Lenin will live, and he loves little children very much!"
                      3. Fat
                        -1
                        19 February 2016 00: 14
                        Quote: avva2012
                        An autopsy was started at 11 hours 10 minutes and ended at 15 hours 50 minutes 22 January 1924 years.
                        Bullshit, that's all, Alexander! Stalin with a revolver stood behind. And other colleagues of the anatomist, already forehead smeared with brilliant green.

                        Write nonsense frankly. But THOUGHT OF THOUGHT accidentally "pleases" bully laughing feel
                      4. 0
                        19 February 2016 04: 22
                        Quote: Thick Write frank nonsense. But the PROCESS OF THOUGHT accidentally "pleases"

                        Are you a pathologist? belay
                        If it’s not difficult, explain about THOUGHT OF THOUGHT and in what pleases?
                      5. Fat
                        0
                        19 February 2016 19: 49
                        First, talk about the influence of Stalin on the course of autopsy. In this case, the ears of Leon Trotsky stick out strongly. I explain: What influence could the party secretary have on the examination. The irony should be taken accordingly. IMHO Trotsky was in the CPSU (B) second after Ilyich, with the caliber of his argument and demand.
                      6. +1
                        20 February 2016 05: 42
                        Quote: Thick In this case, the ears of Leon Trotsky stick out strongly. I explain: What influence could the party secretary have on the examination. The irony should be taken accordingly.

                        Who cares whose ears stuck out or didn't stick out?
                        The fact is that anti-Soviets and Russophobes of all stripes are ready to throw mud at anyone, "Peter the first, was not the first with Catherine. Ivan the Terrible was a sadist and a maniac. Catherine the second went under the horse." And how, you or I, do not relate to V. I. Lenin, do not fucking pour water on the mill of the enemies. I, as a doctor, believe that the symptoms described by Lenin have nothing to do with syphilis. IMHO, no irony.
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                    3. +5
                      18 February 2016 13: 48
                      Quote: atalef Have you seen Krupskaya? In order to sleep with her you had to drink so much fellow, Lenin would definitely not have enough health.
                      Anyway, how can you? This is Lenin what

                      And if you look at earlier photos.
                      Not Marlene Dietrich, but the profession of Nadezhda Konstantinovna was different.
                    4. -1
                      18 February 2016 14: 10
                      Vasil Ivanovich, can you drink a liter of vodka? I can do it! What about two liters? And two I can! Well, a bucket? No Petka, I can’t bucket, only Lenin can bucket!
                    5. +5
                      19 February 2016 00: 47
                      I think that it would not be very, very much ...
                    6. +3
                      20 February 2016 10: 03
                      Lenin had real love - Inessa Armand, with Krupskaya it was a friendly marriage and no more. The death of Inessa finally crushed the leader and a year later he was gone. And the causes of his illness in the assassination of Kaplan.
                      1. 0
                        20 February 2016 10: 19
                        Quote: SyrdonLenin had real love - Inessa Armand, with Krupskaya it was a friendly marriage and no more.

                        With all due respect, well from where, we know what was there. Lenin's connection with Armand was mainly discussed in the press of Western "friends". I have no trust in these sources.
                      2. 0
                        20 February 2016 11: 59
                        All that was in the correspondence, which is stored with us in the Russian Federation and is available for review. There is more than understandable.
                      3. 0
                        20 February 2016 11: 06
                        Quote: Syrdon
                        with Krupskaya it was a friendly marriage

                        well then they were expecting children from this marriage?
                      4. 0
                        20 February 2016 11: 50
                        s.ex.c, does not mean love yet.
                      5. 0
                        20 February 2016 16: 11
                        Quote: Syrdon s.ex.c, does not mean love yet.

                        I agree. Here, only with Innesa, the children did not plan in any way.
                      6. 0
                        20 February 2016 21: 54
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: Syrdon s.ex.c, does not mean love yet.

                        I agree. Here, only with Innesa, the children did not plan in any way.

                        I got here, like everyone was riding in the same car.
                        Can you comment, an article with a foulbrood, but this type of fact interested, is it really true?
                        Here is the list of passengers of the “sealed wagon”
                        1. Ulyanov, Vladimir Ilyich (Lenin).
                        2. Suliashvili, David Sokratovich.
                        3. Ulyanova, Nadezhda Konstantinovna.
                        4. Armand, Inessa Fedorovna.
                        5. Safarov, Georgy Ivanovich.
                        6. Mortochkina, Valentina Sergeevna (wife of G. I. Safarov).
                        7. Kharitonov, Moses Motkovich.
                        8. Konstantinovich, Anna Evgenievna (sister-in-law of Inessa Armand).
                        9. Usievich, Grigory Alexandrovich.
                        10. Kon, Elena Feliksovna (wife of G. A. Usievich).
                        11. Ravich, Sarah Naumovna.
                        12. Tskhakaya, Mikhail Grigoryevich.
                        13. Skovno, Abram Anchilovich.
                        14. Radomyslsky, Ovsey Gershen Aronovich (Zinoviev, Grigory Evseevich).
                        15. Radomyslskaya Zlata Ionovna.
                        16. Radomyslsky, Stefan Ovseevich (son of Zinoviev).
                        17. Rivkin, Zalman Burke Oserovich.
                        18. Slyusareva, Nadezhda Mikhailovna.
                        19. Goberman, Mikhail Vulfovich.
                        20. Abramovich, Maya Zelikovich (Abramovich, Shaya Zelikovich).
                        21. Linda, Johann Arnold Johannovich.
                        22. Sokolnikov (Diamond), Grigory Yakovlevich.
                        23. Miringof, Ilya Davidovich.
                        24. Miringof, Maria Efimovna.
                        25. Rosneblum, David Mordukhovich.
                        26. Payneson, Semyon Gershovich.
                        27. Grebelskaya, Fanya.
                        28. Pogovskaya, Bunya Hemovna (with her - son Reuben)
                        29. Eisenbund, Meer Kivov
                        These "Russian" extremist elements arrive in Petrograd on April 16. And already on April 17, Lenin made a call against the Provisional Government for an armed seizure of power. Subsequently, General Ludendorff wrote in his memoirs: “By sending Lenin to Russia, our government assumed a special responsibility. From a military point of view, this enterprise was justified, Russia had to tumble down. ”

                        http://maxpark.com/user/1436766536/content/650890
                      7. +1
                        20 February 2016 21: 59
                        Quote: poquello
                        fell here, like all in the same carriage rode.

                        Are you joking?
                        Or did you find tickets to the "seal-car" that site?
                        In this case, the money of the German General Staff should still be in the car wassat
                        Who then hid in the Razliv near the hut? request
                      8. 0
                        20 February 2016 23: 41
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        Quote: poquello
                        fell here, like all in the same carriage rode.

                        Are you joking?
                        ...

                        no, but I look at you a similar impression
                      9. 0
                        21 February 2016 16: 09
                        Quote: poquelloI got here, like everyone was riding in the same car. Can you comment, an article with a foulbrood, but this type of fact interested, is it really true?

                        Judging by the last names and first name and patronymic, this is MOSSAD!
                        You would have added the protocols of the Zion of the sages here. And, it would be, you are happy! Who paid or did not pay, not proven. Drove or not drove, too. But what did the German General Staff achieve? Revolution in 1918? The collapse of the empire? So, I’ll tell you, then they are poets, these Germans.
                        Bunya Hemovna (with her - son Reuben)

                        With him, with him, an assistant professor is burdock.
                        This is Babel's "Odessa Stories". If so, where is Benya?
                      10. 0
                        21 February 2016 19: 12
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquelloI got here, like everyone was riding in the same car. Can you comment, an article with a foulbrood, but this type of fact interested, is it really true?

                        Judging by the last names and first name and patronymic, this is MOSSAD!
                        You would have added the protocols of the Zion of the sages here. And, it would be, you are happy! Who paid or did not pay, not proven. Drove or not drove, too. But what did the German General Staff achieve? Revolution in 1918? The collapse of the empire? So, I’ll tell you, then they are poets, these Germans.
                        Bunya Hemovna (with her - son Reuben)

                        With him, with him, an assistant professor is burdock.
                        This is Babel's "Odessa Stories". If so, where is Benya?

                        I generally hoped for a good reasoned refutation, I do not have love for the Communists, but such Goebels’s statements are unpleasant
                      11. 0
                        22 February 2016 09: 04
                        Quote: poquell I generally hoped for a good reasoned refutation, I do not have love for the Communists, but such Goebels’s statements are unpleasant

                        If they are unpleasant, then there is no need to bring this to the site. "Reasoned refutations", you yourself understand, I do not have them. Almost a hundred years have passed, and there is no evidence of the work of the General Staff of Germany and most likely there will be no more. There are "memories" of certain persons involved in the case. But, there are not even "documents" similar to the Katyn case or, at worst, "the secret Molotov-Ribbentrop pact." Why didn't you ask yourself a question? "Subsequently, General Ludendorff wrote in his memoirs"... There is an expression: "he lies like an eyewitness." So, here, apparently it is. It was not in vain that I focused on "Babel's stories". List of full names, just a holiday of some kind, for anti-Semites of all stripes, anti-communists, Russophobes, liberals, provocateurs. And, the list of all these: -s, -bov, -lov, -rov, is not accidental. Binds them all, hatred for Russia.
                        The civil war ended a long time ago. Even if your ancestors, before the revolution, had a hardware workshop, then after so many years, it’s too late to hate the Bolsheviks. You, personally, have not done anything wrong. The same can be said about repression. Go figure out who was white and fluffy. Therefore, for myself, I realized that the anti-communists, like the communists, have long been quiet and quietly lie on the graveyards. The hatred that drove people to kill each other, has long rotted along with the bearers of these ideas.
                        Therefore, in my opinion, someone is skillfully stirring up the ashes of the dead, trying to poison the new generations of living in Russia with the cadaveric poison of hatred. The question was not asked, "for what?"
                      12. 0
                        23 February 2016 19: 54
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquell I generally hoped for a good reasoned refutation, I do not have love for the Communists, but such Goebels’s statements are unpleasant

                        If they are unpleasant, then there is no need to bring this to the site. "Reasoned refutations", you yourself understand, I do not have them. Almost a hundred years have passed, and there is no evidence of the work of the General Staff of Germany and most likely there will be no more. ...

                        and I looked where the ears came from, the authors of the publishing house "seeding", mossy and hardened anti-Soviet, even the USSR was falling apart.
                  3. +3
                    19 February 2016 12: 38
                    Thanks for the autopsy materials. Dont know.
            4. +1
              18 February 2016 23: 48
              Quote: gergi
              Good grandfather Lenin was put on the friendship of peoples. To him, and his government, by a strange coincidence, consisting of Jews, the peoples making up the population of Russia were alien. It was a team of ghouls, cold-blooded killers and sadists, enjoying the suffering of millions of people and stuffing their pockets. I hate it!

              Do not forget Kerensky.
            5. -2
              20 February 2016 10: 09
              How emotional, but unproven!
              Now imagine that everything would go differently and, the question is: would you be knocking on the clave on the couch or in the armchair? It never occurred to you?
              1. 0
                20 February 2016 16: 56
                Yes, the great grandfather Lenin did not finish it here, he didn’t put all my ancestors under the knife. Now I knock on the clave. Can anyone fix a marriage in Lenin's work?
          4. +9
            17 February 2016 21: 20
            But would Lenin have created the Soviet Union without the right to exit the republics? Maybe only this right, disliked by Putin, contributed to the creation of the country. During the existence of the USSR, internal borders were repeatedly redone, republics and regions were created and liquidated. So why haven't the boundaries needed now been made? Maybe the thing is different, maybe there is not enough unifying and directing force, and not a mistake a century ago.
            1. +4
              18 February 2016 06: 57
              Quote: Igor V
              But would Lenin have created the Soviet Union without the right to exit the republics?

              No, everything fell apart even faster, when something is forbidden, then a person has a desire to break the ban, and give him the potential to implement something that is prohibited, he will not rush to use it, it’s always an opportunity at hand, why Do not try what is?
            2. +1
              20 February 2016 10: 37
              Igor In RU
              Maybe the thing is different, maybe there is not enough unifying and directing force, and not a mistake a century ago.


              Correctly said!
              That’s how many Lenin’s calluses have already been, they seem to have examined from all sides, but not one remembered him:
              "The main thing is work with the masses", and where is this work now ???
              Where are the agitators and propagandists calmly, without slogans, explaining what is happening and what needs to be done?
          5. +10
            17 February 2016 22: 57
            I.V. Stalin several times warned Lenin about the danger of national terrorism. images republics of the USSR. Between them, open skirmishes on this topic have repeatedly occurred.
          6. +1
            17 February 2016 23: 22
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            Regarding Lenin, Putin spoke negatively about him in the context of the fact that Lenin defined the borders and rights of the Union republics,

            Do you really understand the difference between these individuals?
            Atlas and thimble-mdya, ao-of our life the thimbles are clearly in favor ...
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          8. +2
            18 February 2016 23: 37
            He called Lenin, but did not mention either Khrushchev, Gorbachev, or Yeltsin in the laying of the time bomb. Very one-sided truth.
        3. +20
          17 February 2016 20: 12
          If it weren’t for Stalin, Russia would have long been torn to pieces by the jackals of imperialism ...
          1. -7
            17 February 2016 20: 27
            Quote: Deniska999
            If it weren’t for Stalin, Russia would have long been torn to pieces by the jackals of imperialism ...

            a very controversial statement, because the options are unclear without revolutions or NEP, etc., this is a story - you can improvise and fantasize as long as you like, but you won’t be able to prove or disprove
          2. +7
            17 February 2016 21: 54
            Society can be compared to a herd or herd that must be provided with food. water and protection from predators. To ensure a normal life, the herd must have an experienced and determined shepherd who knows very well where the green food and water are, knows how to decisively restore order in the herd (herd) and protect it from predators. As a rule, the herd (herd) is not uniform: there are left and right "deviators", there are provocateurs who, by their behavior, provoke obedient individuals to go "left" or "right". Such disorder is beneficial only to numerous "predators" who vigilantly monitor the situation in the herd. To preserve the livestock and restore order in the herd, the shepherd has a whip for prevention, and to eliminate the root causes, sending all kinds of "deviators" and provocateurs for "meat" and timely shooting of predators: wolves and jackals. What claims can there be against the shepherd ?! His goal is to preserve and increase the herd population!
        4. +7
          17 February 2016 20: 22
          Well, if the OGPU was returned or something ..
          1. +3
            18 February 2016 04: 07
            And again they planted the yavreis there. (The yavreis are according to Rasputin)
        5. 0
          20 February 2016 10: 45
          Quote: Baikonur
          against the enemies of the people! on any liberasov- "clever", on everyone who throws mud at Russia, the Russian WORLD! On traitors to the Motherland!

          Wow, that's what bourgeois propaganda does to the human brain .... Sadness, complete. Stalin's main life goal is not the destruction of individual "clever liberals", not those who throw mud at Russia, but the exploiters - bloodsuckers, capitalists and the bourgeoisie and clever liberals, as the spokesmen for the ideas of the exploiting class, of all that is the main component of the modern era, i.e. .e. a comfortable and happy life of a small part of society, due to the appropriation of labor to another, beginning in terms of numbers. So, "Mr. Comrade" you are as much an idealist and metaphysician as the affluor of this article. Learn diamat gentlemen, maybe then you will learn to separate the grain from the chaff.
      2. +8
        17 February 2016 20: 21
        Quote: vovanpain
        But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

        Quote: vovanpain
        Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb.

        And that he was a warrior-monk who did not know self-interest!
        1. jjj
          +12
          17 February 2016 20: 30
          Quote: Tol100v
          And that he was a warrior-monk who did not know self-interest!

          Stalin is God's Providence for Russia
          1. +3
            17 February 2016 21: 20
            Quote: jjj
            Stalin is God's Providence for Russia

            Like that?
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            2. Mwg
              +5
              17 February 2016 21: 38
              Yes sir! It's time to canonize St. Joseph!
              1. +1
                17 February 2016 21: 49
                Quote: MVG
                Yes sir! It's time to canonize St. Joseph!

                Are you seriously?
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            4. +2
              18 February 2016 12: 46
              Do not be ironic, this option is very realistic, the time has not come yet, but the truth is already making its way through the hummocks of lies! This Lenin was the Antichrist, and Stalin did not fight with the Orthodox Church.
          2. -36
            17 February 2016 21: 40
            "Stalin is God's providence for Russia" - and do not tell me how many people were ruined under him - his rule had much more minuses than pluses.
            1. -9
              17 February 2016 22: 03
              I am waiting for reasoned objections in my statement.
              1. +2
                17 February 2016 22: 23
                Are you by any chance not an accountant?
                1. 0
                  18 February 2016 05: 50
                  Quote: Karlos
                  Are you by any chance not an accountant?

                  Young as well, besides clearly a fan of Solzhenitsyn.
                  1. +1
                    18 February 2016 09: 47
                    I am not a fan of Solzhenitsyn.
              2. -14
                17 February 2016 22: 26
                +

                to hell with them with liberals and propaganda, but what surprises me is the family memory of many idolizing Stalin. They have one - no one in the family sat / died in the 30s and 40s? or sat / died - and is that right? or in the family did not talk about this topic? In my family - half went through the camps, some died.

                it's just without srach and abuse - explain to me what the story of your family tells you.
                Survey on topvar ...
                1. owl
                  +16
                  17 February 2016 23: 02
                  Quote: vlad_vlad
                  it's just without srach and abuse - explain to me what the story of your family tells you.

                  My only tells me that in my family (in all my relatives) there wasn’t felons nor pests just as they were not under that power, so there are none at this!
                  And I can only sympathize with you, because genes are a great thing! smile
                  1. -15
                    17 February 2016 23: 14
                    happy for you. But do not rush to draw conclusions, or else according to your spelling -
                    "May family" and "in my family (in all)" - you might think that by genes Russian is not your native language wink
                    1. owl
                      +8
                      17 February 2016 23: 27
                      Quote: vlad_vlad
                      happy for you

                      Thank you smile
                      Quote: vlad_vlad
                      You might think that the Russian language is not your native language

                      Yes ne !, my family is all pa Ruski balak laughing
                  2. +1
                    18 February 2016 17: 40
                    I communicate with the relatives of the repressed - the impression is that the apple is not far from the cherry. Signed to the whole scum -, freedom, echo, d /// ihad, jellyfish,, criminal power, the list is endless and stupid like traffic jams, they do not perceive any numbers and arguments other than American ones. Navalny revolves in the center of the universe, around him Nemtsov, Kasyanov, in the USA there is a low level of corruption, on the Maidan there were only people with 3, the edge with 2 higher educations, in the 90s they fled to the airport for some kind of secret messages from Yeltsin, in general - illiterate, not trained. Naturally with a know-it-all aplomb.
                2. +7
                  18 February 2016 00: 46
                  Quote: vlad_vlad
                  In my family - half went through the camps,

                  And by what articles can I find out? Really all on 58?
                  1. 0
                    18 February 2016 01: 11
                    I do not know. most were "spies" as far as I know, there were no "pests". Interestingly, during the war, 2 of them were released (1 - in the sharashka, 1 - in the war). The one who was in the sharashka was released in the early 50s ... but not home, but to Kazakhstan.
                    1. +1
                      18 February 2016 04: 16
                      And released Beria L.P. bloody.
                      1. Fat
                        +6
                        18 February 2016 05: 32
                        Quote: asiat_61
                        And released Beria L.P. bloody.

                        http://istmat.info/node/26458
                        The draft decree provides for the release of about 1000000 people sentenced to up to 5 years of age, convicted regardless of the sentence, for official, economic, some military crimes, as well as women with children under 10 years old and pregnant women, minors under 18 years old, elderly men and women and patients suffering from a severe incurable disease ....
                        It is proposed not to extend the amnesty to prisoners sentenced to more than 5 years and held accountable for counter-revolutionary crimes, banditry, major thefts of socialist property and willful murder.
                        The draft decree was unanimously approved on March 27, 1953 at a meeting of the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee (published in print on March 28, 1953). According to the decree “On Amnesty”, the following categories of prisoners were subject to release: convicted for a term of up to 5 years, convicted of official, economic and some military crimes, as well as minors, the elderly, the sick, women with young children and pregnant women.
                        In colloquial speech, the amnesty was called Voroshilov’s, as the decree on amnesty was signed by the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR Voroshilov. Pancake, the project was submitted to Malenkov, the decree was signed by Voroshilov ... but in the end, Beria is to blame ...
                      2. -1
                        18 February 2016 10: 25
                        What can I say, completing the survey - the number of cons and the lack of arguments speaks for itself. I sincerely wish the lovers of Stalin - a new Stalin, and the "non-lovers" - have time to dump when this new one comes.
                      3. +1
                        18 February 2016 11: 04
                        Yes, not Stalin, lovers performed here, but countries called Russia.
                      4. +3
                        18 February 2016 14: 19
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Yes, not Stalin, lovers performed here, but countries called Russia.

                        Yeah, and everyone who does not perceive him as an idol is the enemies of Russia.
                        The civilian was called so because citizens, for the love of Russia, slaughtered each other.
                      5. +2
                        18 February 2016 14: 46
                        Quote: poquello Yeah, and everyone who doesn’t perceive him as an idol is the enemies of Russia. The civilian was called so because citizens cut each other out of love for Russia.

                        There are enemies of Russia.
                        But the majority, simply, once they have mastered the information, cannot change it for another. And, at someone's, relatives were sitting. This is from the outside, he is a squander, or even just a deserter. And, mom, he: "Vasya, Petechka, the evil NKVD lied to the blood."
                        Into the civil account. IMHO. What does "love for Russia" have to do with it? The worst thing in this war is just a massacre! There is no law, on the first day, they raised the lamp on the lantern. "Walk a flaw from the ruble and above!" IMHO. Those, who intentionally, try to smear our history with mud, try to bring this chaos back. Stalin- This is a symbol of the power and independence of Russia (USSR). And attacks on him consciousThere is a continuation of attempts to plunge the Motherland into chaos. IMHO.
                      6. -1
                        18 February 2016 18: 51
                        Quote: avva2012
                        ... Stalin- This is a symbol of the power and independence of Russia (USSR). And attacks on him consciousThere is a continuation of attempts to plunge the Motherland into chaos. IMHO.

                        Oh. The history of Russia is so poor in symbols. The Russian Empire was territorially larger than the USSR, in the know?
                      7. +2
                        19 February 2016 00: 16
                        Quote: poquello
                        Quote: avva2012
                        ... Stalin- This is a symbol of the power and independence of Russia (USSR). And attacks on him consciousThere is a continuation of attempts to plunge the Motherland into chaos. IMHO.

                        Oh. The history of Russia is so poor in symbols. The Russian Empire was territorially larger than the USSR, in the know?

                        Stalin regarded the USSR as the successor to the Russian empire.
                      8. -5
                        19 February 2016 01: 52
                        Quote: Villon
                        Quote: poquello
                        Quote: avva2012
                        ... Stalin- This is a symbol of the power and independence of Russia (USSR). And attacks on him consciousThere is a continuation of attempts to plunge the Motherland into chaos. IMHO.

                        Oh. The history of Russia is so poor in symbols. The Russian Empire was territorially larger than the USSR, in the know?

                        Stalin regarded the USSR as the successor to the Russian empire.

                        And he didn’t participate in the collapse of the Russian Empire, to the ground and then can about plow start talking.
                        You are aware that on the emblem of the Republic of Ingushetia were the words "God is with us", but remember in what context you heard them before. Such a power and everything "Stalin, Stalin", as before, there was nothing.
                      9. +2
                        19 February 2016 04: 44
                        Quote: poquello And he did not participate in the collapse of the Russian Empire, until the foundation and then you can start talking about the plow.

                        And in the collapse of RI, how did Stalin participate?
                        The Tsar was overthrown during the February Revolution. So, what they could have already ruined. By the way, the question is: "could a healthy country fall apart?"
                        You are aware that on the emblem of the Republic of Ingushetia were the words "God is with us", but remember in what context you heard them before.

                        I, in the know: "Gott mit uns" on the coat of arms of another empire.
                        Why do you even mention this context?
                      10. 0
                        19 February 2016 11: 18
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquello And he did not participate in the collapse of the Russian Empire, until the foundation and then you can start talking about the plow.

                        And in the collapse of RI, how did Stalin participate?
                        The king was overthrown during the February Revolution.

                        Do you really think that Stalin sat in a boothouse until February, and then he took it and got out - all the revolutionaries were rocking the boat.
                        Quote: avva2012

                        You are aware that on the emblem of the Republic of Ingushetia were the words "God is with us", but remember in what context you heard them before.

                        I, in the know: "Gott mit uns" on the coat of arms of another empire.
                        Why do you even mention this context?

                        Associations, remember, the Soviet propaganda to what the phrase "God is with us" glued ?, to the buckles of the fascists.
                        The greatest works unprecedented in the world are ahead of us! We are on the edge of the abyss! But we are Russians! God is with us!

                        whose words I think you know.
                      11. -1
                        19 February 2016 16: 00
                        Quote: poquello Do you really think that Stalin sat in a boothouse until February, and then he took it and got out - all the revolutionaries were rocking the boat.

                        And why did they swing it, because they could not be caught in any way?
                        Remember "Nord-Ost", Budenovsk. Now, can this happen again? EBN and Putin. If they hadn't put things in order, then they were rocking it now.
                        Associations, remember, the Soviet propaganda to what the phrase "God is with us" glued ?, to the buckles of the fascists. whose words I think you know.

                        "We are surrounded by mountains ... surrounded by a powerful enemy, proud of victory ... Since the time of the Prut case, under Emperor Peter the Great, the Russian troops have never been in such a perilous situation ... No, this is not treason, but a clear betrayal ... a reasonable, calculated betrayal of us who shed so much blood for the salvation of Austria. There is no one to wait for help from now, one hope for God, another - for the greatest courage and the highest self-sacrifice of the troops you are leading ... We will face the greatest works unprecedented in the world! We are on the edge of the abyss! But we are Russians! God with us! Save, save the honor and heritage of Russia and its Autocrat! .. Save his son ... " A.V. Suvorov.
                        The buckle is fascist, moreover !!!
                      12. +2
                        19 February 2016 04: 33
                        Quote: poquello Oh. The history of Russia is so poor in symbols. The Russian Empire was territorially larger than the USSR, in the know?

                        RI was generally a country with milk rivers and jelly banks, and with 90% illiterate population, and according to statistics in the 1913 goal in Russia, more than 12 million people (7,26% of the population) were affected by epidemics of cholera, diphtheria, anthrax, scabies. 9 million more people suffered from malaria, trachoma, whooping cough, etc. In total, chronic patients with infectious diseases had 21877869 people (13,2% of the country's population). On 10000 people in Russia had 1,6 doctors, 1,7 paramedics, 1,7 obstetricians and midwives. In rural areas, 1 accounted for 26 thousand people. In the USA, there were 10000 times more doctors in 4, in Germany - 2,7, in England - and 3,5, in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, Holland - 3,2 times.
                        Of every 1000 of newborns under the age of 1 in Russia, 263 children died. For comparison: in Sweden 70 children died before 1 for every 1000 born, England - 108, in the USA and France - 112-115. in Italy - 138, in Germany - 151. Those. Russia exceeded European and US countries in child mortality by 1,74 - 3,76 times.
                        And, at the expense of the territory, minus Finland and Warsaw with the district (Lviv was never part of the Republic of Ingushetia, that is, "compensated").
                      13. -1
                        19 February 2016 11: 35
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquello Oh. The history of Russia is so poor in symbols. The Russian Empire was territorially larger than the USSR, in the know?

                        RI was generally a country with milk rivers and jelly banks, and with 90% of the illiterate population, ...

                        and the first place in terms of industrial production, the largest bread production in the world (before WWI)
                      14. +1
                        19 February 2016 14: 31
                        Quote: poquello and the first place in terms of industrial production, the largest bread production in the world (before WWI)

                        With 3 percent of the proletariat. Yeah, and at what "growth rates"?
                        Machine tool industry? Then why did the Bolsheviks buy the machines first? In what? And for bread. You know, the village didn’t live full, that's for sure. Another point, the peasants did not have elevators. Therefore, various diseases due to poor-quality bread. And infant mortality, too, is precisely because of this (bread was chewed in a scarf to a baby). And, if in an adult, the crap in the bread caused only an upset stomach, then in an infant, it ended up not controlled by diarrhea and dehydration. Death as a result. After the mass executions of peasants, and then those who remained after that, the Bolsheviks were evicted to the North Pole, and this was the first thing they fought against. Such wickedness.
                      15. 0
                        19 February 2016 15: 24
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquello and the first place in terms of industrial production, the largest bread production in the world (before WWI)

                        With 3 percent of the proletariat. Yeah, and at what "growth rates"?
                        ...

                        During 1909 — 1913, the smelting of pig iron in the world increased by 32%, in the USA - by 20, in Germany - by 50, in Russia - by 64%. Russia occupied 2-th place in the world in oil production, 4-e in engineering, 5-e in coal, iron ore and steel production.
                      16. +1
                        19 February 2016 15: 51
                        Quote: poquelloDuring 1909 — 1913, the smelting of pig iron in the world increased by 32%, in the USA - by 20, in Germany - by 50, in Russia - by 64%. Russia occupied 2-th place in the world in oil production, 4-e in engineering, 5-e in coal, iron ore and steel production.

                        And whose factories were these? About oil. Nobili is who, remind me. Most of the industry was owned by foreigners. "Lena Shooting", whose mines? The railway was generally built with French money. For a future war with Germany. The main industry was located in the western part of the Republic of Ingushetia. And part of it went to the newly emerging states.
                        Ask yourself the question: "And, was there a system for the industry to develop?" Is this a development in the context of universal illiteracy? The Bolsheviks introduced FZU, technical schools, institutes, often as stages. Moreover, the scheme was well thought out. RI's economic growth is similar to that of China. IMHO. Let's see what will happen in China.
                      17. +1
                        19 February 2016 21: 20
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquelloDuring 1909 — 1913, the smelting of pig iron in the world increased by 32%, in the USA - by 20, in Germany - by 50, in Russia - by 64%. Russia occupied 2-th place in the world in oil production, 4-e in engineering, 5-e in coal, iron ore and steel production.

                        And whose plants were these? ...

                        What is the horror? Now this is called investment, the bourgeois received their percentage of profit 20-25%, RI also invested in foreign projects. Revolver Nagan made in our factories. The industry developed unambiguously, for competent specialists all conditions were created.
                        NS Khrushchev recalled that until 1917, working as a locksmith in the Donetsk mine, he materially lived better than in the 1930s, when he was a high-ranking party official in Moscow "... working as a simple locksmith, he earned 45 rubles. at the price of black bread at 2 kopecks, on white - 4 kopecks, a pound of fat - 22 kopecks, an egg cost a penny, shoes, the best Skorokhodovsky ones - 7 rubles. What is there to compare. When I was conducting party work in Moscow, I didn’t have half of it, although I occupied a rather high place. ” Then Khrushchev honestly admits that in the 1930s. "Other people were even worse off than me." It is clear that ordinary workers and office workers received much less than the secretary of the Moscow City Party Committee.
                        But, perhaps, N. S. Khrushchev belonged to a highly skilled labor aristocracy and his standard of living was very different from most workers? By 1917, Khrushchev was only 22 years old and he simply did not manage to get such a qualification. In 1909, a contemporary, demanding to add a salary to young scientists, said - “only a bad locksmith gets 50 rubles. per month - the salary of a candidate for a professor - and a good locksmith receives 80 - 90 rubles. per month". Consequently, the young N. S. Khrushchev received not as a representative of the labor aristocracy, but as a "bad locksmith."

                        http://vip-arhitektor.livejournal.com/27446.html
                      18. 0
                        20 February 2016 06: 14
                        Quote: poquello What is the horror? Now this is called investment, the bourgeois received their percentage of the profit 20-25%,

                        The horror is that almost the entire mining industry was in the hands of foreigners. That is, the left uncle decided what is needed for Russia and what is not. About railway and French investment, I already wrote. Interestingly, there are materials on the internet.
                        RI also invested in foreign projects.

                        In which, do not tell me? Where in the economy of France, England, Sweden and the Netherlands was Russian capital represented to the same extent as theirs?
                        The industry developed unambiguously, for competent specialists all conditions were created.

                        There was no system of education and development. Without a system, there are no real plans for the future. What kind of specialists does the country lack? Accordingly, there is a development in this area after school education. Was it not like that in RI? Again, three percent of the proletariat. Of these, how much did you earn? How many hours did they work? Holidays, weekends? All data is freely available. And finally, we can recall conspiracy theology. N. S. Khrushchev recalled that before 1917, working as a locksmith in the Donetsk mine, he was living materially better than in the 1930, when he was a high-ranking party official in Moscow .... But maybe N. S. Khrushchev belonged to a highly skilled labor aristocracy and his standard of living was very different from most workers? By 1917, Khrushchev was only 22 years old and he simply did not manage to get such a qualification.
                        But wasn’t there any snitches, dear man, by chance? Security through legal sources, could not pay for the services of his agent? IMHO.
                      19. +1
                        20 February 2016 13: 02
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquello What is the horror? Now this is called investment, the bourgeois received their percentage of the profit 20-25%,

                        The horror is that almost the entire mining industry was in the hands of foreigners.

                        not all, up to 75% for individual
                        Quote: avva2012

                        RI also invested in foreign projects.

                        In which, do not tell me?

                        Iranian Railways
                        Quote: avva2012

                        The industry developed unambiguously, for competent specialists all conditions were created.

                        There was no system of education and development.

                        ))) maybe the system of universal education?
                        Quote: avva2012

                        ... Security through legal sources, couldn’t she pay for my agent? IMHO.

                        In 1909, a contemporary, demanding to add a salary to young scientists, said - “only a bad locksmith gets 50 rubles. per month - the salary of a candidate for a professor - and a good locksmith receives 80 - 90 rubles. per month".
                        Is it not clear, 45 rubles, is an ordinary locksmith, but I actually brought this piece to show twice (or more) the difference in the salary of specialists
                      20. 0
                        20 February 2016 17: 05
                        Quote: poquello not all, up to 75% for individual

                        Few? it was all 100 ?, so this was what would have happened if it had not been for the revolution.
                        Iranian Railways

                        I, about the symmetrical answer. That is, Europe meant. Do not cast a shadow over the wattle fence.
                        ))) maybe the system of universal education?

                        four classes of church parish?
                        Is it not clear, 45 rubles, is an ordinary locksmith, but I actually brought this piece to show twice (or more) the difference in the salary of specialists

                        Not, to me, about Khrushchev in the 22 of the year who received the wrong salary, as usual, I liked it more. Do not throw the source?
                      21. 0
                        20 February 2016 22: 25
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquello not all, up to 75% for individual

                        Few? it was necessary all 100 ?, and so it went, ...
                        Iranian Railways

                        I, about the symmetrical answer. That is, Europe meant. Do not cast a shadow over the wattle fence.

                        capital goes to where it is possible to use it profitably, investment develops the economy, this is normal, the problem of RI was in fusing the interests of officials and foreign capital
                        Quote: avva2012

                        ))) maybe the system of universal education?

                        four classes of church parish?

                        TSSH was for the poor and incapable.
                        Quote: avva2012

                        Is it not clear, 45 rubles, is an ordinary locksmith, but I actually brought this piece to show twice (or more) the difference in the salary of specialists

                        Not, to me, about Khrushchev in the 22 of the year who received the wrong salary, as usual, I liked it more. Do not throw the source?

                        the link was originally viewed
                        http://vip-arhitektor.livejournal.com/27446.html
                      22. 0
                        21 February 2016 16: 17
                        Quote: poquello capital goes where it is possible to use it profitably, investments develop the economy, this is normal, the problem of RI was fusion of interests of officials and foreign capital

                        And what is wrong? The Bolsheviks destroyed this vicious practice. As a result, the country has risen to an reachable level. Now, they repeat, what happened a hundred years ago and that the empire led to the Civil War. Good?
                        TSSH was for the poor and incapable.

                        There were a majority of the poor. French bun crunched a disappearing percentage of the population. Therefore, it was a ceiling for the capable, in contrast to the Soviet education system.
                        the link was originally viewed

                        Thank you, and really looked.
                      23. 0
                        21 February 2016 19: 27
                        Quote: avva2012

                        TSSH was for the poor and incapable.

                        There were a majority of the poor. French bun crunched a disappearing percentage of the population. Therefore, it was a ceiling for the capable, in contrast to the Soviet education system.
                        ...

                        Lomonosov Mikhailo peasant son
                      24. 0
                        22 February 2016 09: 56
                        Quote: poquello Lomonosov Mikhailo peasant son

                        Who is bigger?
                        In vain they forgot: Grigory Efimovich RASPUTIN.
                        Here, one of the lower classes. And, thanks to the keen interest in the people, the king-father and the queen-mother, a simple man rose to the very top of the Republic of Ingushetia.
                      25. +1
                        18 February 2016 21: 47
                        Yes, not Stalin, lovers performed here, but countries called Russia


                        Stalin = Russia? "any ruler" = Russia? strongly disagree. it is the ideology of slaves.
                        "people" = Russia!
                      26. -1
                        19 February 2016 12: 53
                        Quote: vlad_vlad
                        Stalin = Russia? "any ruler" = Russia? strongly disagree. it is the ideology of slaves.
                        "people" = Russia!

                        Perhaps, but Stalin, despite the fact that the Ossetians are one of the best Russians in the history of the country. Only 3 times the country was threatened with destruction - during the Tatar invasion, the Polish unrest and the Second World War. And if the first two events were overcome with great creak, the third Stalin passed brilliantly.
                      27. +1
                        19 February 2016 21: 28
                        Quote: goose
                        Quote: vlad_vlad
                        Stalin = Russia? "any ruler" = Russia? strongly disagree. it is the ideology of slaves.
                        "people" = Russia!

                        Perhaps, but Stalin, despite the fact that the Ossetians are one of the best Russians in the history of the country. Only 3 times the country was threatened with destruction - during the Tatar invasion, the Polish unrest and the Second World War. And if the first two events were overcome with great creak, the third Stalin passed brilliantly.

                        where is the war of 1812?
                      28. 0
                        18 February 2016 14: 22
                        Quote: vlad_vlad
                        what can I say, completing the survey - the number of cons and lack of arguments speaks for itself. I sincerely wish the lovers of Stalin - the new Stalin, ...

                        I wanted to wish you, but changed my mind
                      29. +1
                        18 February 2016 17: 49
                        you will not believe, the current liberals dream of Stalin most of all, they are so selflessly looking for Putin’s gold that they will definitely be satisfied with a ruler with 4 pipes and a pair of boots. soldier but do not be offended by the minuses - as they asked the question, they got it. Provocateurs do not really like hi Do you have dogs like spies, not provocateurs? feel
                      30. +1
                        19 February 2016 00: 14
                        Quote: vlad_vlad
                        What can I say, completing the survey - the number of cons and the lack of arguments speaks for itself. I sincerely wish the lovers of Stalin - a new Stalin, and the "non-lovers" - have time to dump when this new one comes.

                        Are you going to dump?
                      31. 0
                        19 February 2016 12: 55
                        no, I'm not going to - already dumped
                        fellow
                      32. Fat
                        +4
                        18 February 2016 05: 41
                        Khrushchev's amnesty.
                        On 17 of September 1955, people who collaborated with the occupiers during the Great Patriotic War were amnestied. The decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR “On Amnesty for Soviet Citizens Cooperating with the Invaders during the Great Patriotic War of the 1941 — 1945” was published in the “Bulletin of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR” 1955, No. 17, p. 345.
                        It was decided to release from places of imprisonment and from other punishment measures persons sentenced to up to 10 years in prison, inclusive of those committed during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. aiding the enemy and other crimes under Art. Art. 58-1, 58-3, 58-4, 58-6, 58-10, 58-12 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR and the corresponding articles of the criminal codes of other union republics.
                        Persons convicted of service in the German army, police and special German formations were exempted from further serving deprivation of liberty, exile and expulsion, regardless of the term of punishment.
                        The criminal prosecution for crimes committed during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, provided for by Art. Art. 58-1, 58-3, 58-4, 58-6, 58-10, 58-12 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR and the corresponding articles of the criminal codes of other union republics
                        .
                        Thumbs up too, right? As a result of Khrushchev’s amnesty, those who nurtured the current nationalists, Bandera, and UPA admirers crawled around the country.
                      33. -1
                        18 February 2016 12: 40
                        Quote: Thick On 17 of September 1955, people who collaborated with the occupiers during the Great Patriotic War were amnestied. The decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR “On Amnesty for Soviet Citizens Cooperating with the Invaders during the Great Patriotic War of the 1941 — 1945” was published in the “Bulletin of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR” 1955, No. 17, p. 345.

                        The film immediately came to my mind: "Cold summer of XNUMX ...". Wonderful actors, but they played, in fact, a total scum.
                        And liberals of all stripes keep silent, the Bereevskaya amnesty is not because it is "Bereevskaya", and they praise the "Khrushchevskaya" not because they adore Khrushchev, but because the brothers in reason have been released, albeit the forest ones. happiness ", like the Vlasovites.
                        Traitor, traitor feels from afar. The emotional impulses are the same. How did Rezun sing praises to Vlasov and Penkovsky, eh? From one gov (test) to made.
                  2. +2
                    19 February 2016 16: 32
                    And with me - no one was sitting. And like most of them.
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                3. +2
                  18 February 2016 12: 57
                  Take an interest in statistics, with whom the population has increased, with whom it has decreased. Consider wars, geopolitics, do not forget to turn on the brain. You will find the answers to your questions. Self-search for answers can be very interesting. Recommend
                4. 0
                  18 February 2016 16: 59
                  Two grandfathers fought, two in the rear, one metallurgist, a labor hero, a chess player, a beekeeper, still surviving, the second carpenter married to a Volga German woman (in exile), yes, one of the fighters - the collective farm chairman volunteered, the NKVD, investigator, agitator.
                5. 0
                  20 February 2016 11: 13
                  Quote: vlad_vlad
                  They have one - no one in the family was sitting

                  And what are few families with someone sitting in modern Russia? and how many died?
              3. +13
                17 February 2016 23: 02
                You thoughtlessly (without even bothering to study the facts and documents) broadcast the LIBERAL LIE about "millions repressed by Stalin" that has been pouring in rivers for the last 25 years on the Great Name of Stalin from the filthy West:
                In February 1954, a certificate was prepared in the name of N. S. Khrushchev, signed by the Prosecutor General of the USSR R. Rudenko, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR S. Kruglov and the Minister of Justice of the USSR K. Gorshenin, in which the number of people convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes was named, for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954. According to this certificate, in total during this period 3 people were condemned by the OGPU Collegium, the NKVD troikas, the Special Meeting, the Military Collegium, courts and military tribunals, including 777 people were sentenced to death, and to detention in camps and prisons for a period of 380 years and below - 642 people, to exile and deportation - 980 people. Please note that these are statistics for 25 years.

                Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/50194-stalinskie-repressii-realnye-cifry.html
                Politikus.ru

                and here is the "shock" demography of the Russian nation of Stalin's time, into which the liberal Western lie about the "millions of repressed" simply DOESN'T fit:

                The population of the USSR under Stalin increased from 136,8 million in 1920 to 208,8 million in 1959.
                The population of the RSFSR increased from approximately 87,8 million in 1923 to 106,7 million. in 1953, i.e. 22%
                The number of Russians (Great Russians, Little Russians, and Belarusians) during Stalin's rule increased according to censuses by an average of 1,3–1,5 million per year.
                1926 - 113,7 million
                1939 - 133 million
                1959 - 159,3 million

                Since 1991, FOR 25 YEARS OF THE LIBERASTIC GENOCIDE OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE IN POVERTY, UNEMPLOYMENT, DRUG, ALCOHOLISM, AIDS, AND WESTERN BROKEN KILLED OVER 30 MILLION RUSSIAN PEOPLE:

                during the reign of Yeltsin, the population of Russia (which is approximately equal to the number of Russians in the USSR in 1990) decreased by 5,7 million people,

                during the reign of Putin-Medvedev-by 7,5 million people!

                The total demographic loss over the past 25 years, taking into account the unborn, amounted to 31,3 million people!

                SO WHO IS THE "MILLION KILLER" ?!
                1. -2
                  17 February 2016 23: 55
                  "During Yeltsin's rule, the population of Russia (which is approximately equal to the number of Russians in the USSR in 1990) decreased by 5,7 million people,

                  during the reign of Putin-Medvedev - already by 7,5 million people. "! - In 1990 the population of Russia was - 147665081 people, in 2010 142856536 people, in 2016 the population of Russia was 146519759 people - something with your official figures the statistics do not fit in any way, and there is no need to drag those who were not born here - no one knows how many of them in reality could have been born.
                  1. +8
                    18 February 2016 00: 00
                    stupidly due to the accession of the 2,5 millionth Crimea, and not due to an increase in the birth rate - kill the Crimea, compare it with the RSFSR of 1990 and get a real result.
                    1. +2
                      18 February 2016 06: 00
                      Quote: Alexx Kruglov
                      stupidly due to the accession of 2,5 million Crimea, and not due to increased birth rates

                      To this we must also add emigrants from Ukraine and other former union republics - this is another 2-3 million.
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                2. +11
                  18 February 2016 05: 24
                  In addition to I.V. Stalin, who can better say about IV Stalin?
                  “No, we are doing the right thing so severely punishing nationalists of all stripes and colors. They are the best helpers of our enemies and the worst enemies of their own peoples. After all, the cherished dream of nationalists is to fragment the Soviet Union into separate “national” states, and then it will become easy prey for enemies. The majority of the peoples living in the Soviet Union will be physically exterminated, while the rest will turn into dumb and miserable slaves of the conquerors. ”

                  “Comrades, let me raise another, last toast. I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people, and above all the Russian people ... I drink, first of all, - continued Stalin, - to the health of the Russian people because it is the most outstanding nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union. I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because they have earned general recognition in this war as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country. I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have a clear mind, a strong character, and patience. Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in the 1941-1942 years, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad Region, the Baltic States, the Karelian-Finnish Republic, left because there was no other way. Other people could say to the government: you did not live up to our expectations, go away, we will set up another government that will conclude peace with Germany and provide us with peace. But the Russian people did not go for it, for they believed in the correctness of the policy of their government and made sacrifices to ensure the defeat of Germany. And this confidence of the Russian people in the Soviet government turned out to be the decisive force that ensured a historic victory over the enemy of mankind - over fascism. Thanks to him, the Russian people, for this trust! ”
              4. rul
                +4
                18 February 2016 00: 28
                What can you say about Ivan IV - a reformer and collector of Russian lands, and at the same time he introduced the oprichnina from which a lot of the population suffered directly and indirectly? Even more interesting will be your analysis of Peter I - who cut through the "window" to Europe on the strengthening of the monarch's power, reforms and numerous bones of almost a quarter of the population of Russia. Can we also equate these periods with the disadvantages of Russian statehood? Give an answer, then we will speculate about Stalin.
              5. +1
                18 February 2016 05: 15
                Quote: Vadim237
                his board had much more minuses than pluses.

                Quote: Vadim237
                I am waiting for reasoned objections in my statement

                You first give a reasoned statement
                1. +10
                  18 February 2016 05: 33
                  About I.V. Stalin a few memories.
                  From the memoirs of one of the guards of Stalin A. Rybin.
                  Stalin’s trips were often accompanied by the guard of Tukov. He sat in the front seat next to the driver and used to fall asleep on the way. One of the members of the Politburo, who was traveling with Stalin in the back seat, remarked:
                  - Comrade Stalin, I don’t understand which of you protects whom?
                  “What is this,” replied Joseph Vissarionovich, “he also stuck his gun in my raincoat for me - take them, just in case!”

                  In the fall of 1936, a rumor spread in the West that Joseph Stalin had died of a serious illness. Charles Nitter, a correspondent for the Associated Press news agency, decided to get information from the most reliable source. He went to the Kremlin, where he handed over a letter to Stalin in which he asked: to confirm or deny this rumor.
                  Stalin replied to the journalist immediately: "Dear sir! As far as I know, from the reports of the foreign press, I have long since left this sinful world and moved to the next world. As you cannot but treat the reports of the foreign press with confidence if you do not want to be deleted from list of civilized people, then I ask you to believe these messages and not disturb my peace in the silence of the other world.
                  October 26, 1936. Sincerely, I. Stalin ".

                  Once foreign correspondents asked Stalin:
                  - Why is Mount Ararat depicted on the coat of arms of Armenia, because it is not located on the territory of Armenia?
                  Stalin replied:
                  - The crescent moon is depicted on the coat of arms of Turkey, but it is also not located in Turkey.

                  Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army A.M. Vasilevsky showed Stalin a whole folder of blunders on Army General I.D. Chernyakhovsky. It was about them that he had many women.
                  "What do we do?" Vasilevsky asked.
                  "What are we going to do? What are we going to do? We will envy!"
                  "Day and night they smashed Stalin,
                  He’s so and so a bit,
                  But only dross flew away
                  As it stood, so it stands ... "
              6. +1
                18 February 2016 12: 43
                First, specify what peoples, number, where, who ordered, who performed, and documented please. And then, as in the State Department, they bomb the hospital, and the evidence is classified. Let's get the facts. Or arguments.
            2. +6
              17 February 2016 22: 22
              Quote: Vadim237
              but don’t tell me how many people were killed under him

              And how many?
              1. -16
                17 February 2016 23: 25
                Repressions, dispossession of kulaks, a profane start of the war, hunger or lack of food, due to the adoption in 1932 of an overstated plan for grain procurement, the "Garanin shootings" as an example of treatment of prisoners - people were treated like vegetables and the losses were huge from 32 to 45 - How many exactly died from, to put it mildly, unreasoned government actions, we will never know, and my attitude towards a person who did not even come to the funeral of his mother, Ekaterina Dzhugashvili, is purely negative.
                1. +8
                  17 February 2016 23: 53
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Repressions, dispossession of kulaks, a profane start of the war, hunger or lack of food, due to the adoption in 1932 of an overstated plan for grain procurement, the "Garanin shootings" as an example of treatment of prisoners - people were treated like vegetables and the losses were huge from 32 to 45 - how many exactly died from, to put it mildly, unreasoned government actions, we will never know

                  Gathered in a bunch of horses, people ...
                  Let’s all the same turn to specifics, to numbers, everything else is emotions.
                  1. -22
                    18 February 2016 00: 18
                    Numerous repressions - from 11 to 30 million people - they affected all spheres of society and government, Famine - 6 million people, War - 28 million people, and here also add numerous resettlement of peoples - all these numbers are raw and alas, not final - for the people time Stalin's rule was bloody enough.
                    1. +12
                      18 February 2016 00: 46
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Numerous repressions - from 11 to 30 million people - they affected all spheres of society and government

                      1 February 1954 city
                      To the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Comrade Khrushchev N.S.
                      In connection with the signals received by a number of persons from the CPSU Central Committee about the illegal conviction for counter-revolutionary crimes in previous years by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military Collegium, the courts and military tribunals, and in accordance with your instructions on the need to review cases against convicted persons for counterrevolutionary crimes and currently held in camps and prisons, we report: during the period from 1921 to the present, 3.777.380 people have been convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes, including 642.980 people for VMN NIJ in camps and prisons for a period of 25 years and below - 2.369.220, in exile and expulsion - 765.180 people.

                      Of the total number of convicts, tentatively, the following were convicted: 2.900.000 people - by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika and the Special Conference and 877.000 people - by the courts, military tribunals, the Special Collegium and the Military Collegium.

                      ... It should be noted that created by the Decree of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR from November 5 of November 1934 of the year, the Special Conference of the NKVD of the USSR, which lasted until September 1 of 1953 of the year, sentenced 442.531 people, including 10.101 people to VMN, to imprisonment - 360.921 person, to exile and expulsion (within the country) - 57.539 person and to other penalties (offsetting the time spent in custody, expulsion abroad, forced treatment) - 3.970 person ...
                      Attorney General R. Rudenko
                      Minister of the Interior S. Kruglov
                      Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Hunger - 6 million people

                      Who is bigger?
                      HISTORY OF LIGHTING THE HUNGER 1932-1933
                      One of the earliest Western press campaigns against the Soviet Union was the continually circulated question of the millions who starved to death in Ukraine. The English journalist M. Muggeridge was the first in the West to publish a report on the famine in the USSR. In the last decade of March 1933, in the Manchester Guardian newspaper, he spoke about his impressions of his trip to Ukraine and the North Caucasus. Muggeridge described terrible scenes of famine among the rural population, witnessed the mass death of peasants, but did not give specific figures. On March 31, 1933, a refutation appeared in the Manchester Guardian newspaper entitled "Russians are starving, but do not die of hunger." It was written by the New York Times correspondent in Moscow W. Duranty, an Englishman by birth and citizenship, who managed to interview Stalin. In August 1933, the New York Herald Tribune published an article by Ralph Barnes claiming that a million people died of starvation. Further, the figure grew by leaps and bounds. Duranty in the New York Times hinted that the death toll is at least 2 million. A day later, in the same newspaper, F. Burchell reported 4 million dead. Therefore, due to the falsity of the information and the biased coverage of the famine in the above-mentioned articles, foreign journalists were prohibited from traveling to the regions affected by the famine. In 1934 W. Chamberlin, who had time to visit Ukraine and the North Caucasus on the instructions of the editorial board, published the book "The Iron Age of Russia" in Boston. In it, he stated that the famine covered an area with a population of 60 million, and the number of victims was 3-4 million. A large anti-Soviet campaign began on February 18, 1935 with the headline of the front page in the Chicago American: “6 million people died of hunger in the Soviet Union ".
                      1. -6
                        18 February 2016 02: 10
                        Quote: Wheel
                        ...
                        Who is bigger?
                        HISTORY OF LIGHTING THE HUNGER 1932-1933
                        One of the earliest Western press campaigns against the Soviet Union was the continually circulated question of the millions who starved to death in Ukraine. The English journalist M. Muggeridge was the first in the West to publish a report on the famine in the USSR. In the last decade of March 1933, in the Manchester Guardian newspaper, he spoke about his impressions of his trip to Ukraine and the North Caucasus. Muggeridge described terrible scenes of famine among the rural population, witnessed the mass death of peasants, but did not give specific numbers ...

                        Che and all lied?
                        “In the thirty-third year, they ate the quinoa. Hands, feet swollen, dying on the go "

                        http://mikle1.livejournal.com/2085488.html
                      2. +7
                        18 February 2016 03: 24
                        Recommend.
                        Fraud, famine and fascism
                        The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard
                        by Douglas Tottle
                        Published 1987 in Canada
                        I'll even give you a reference
                        http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm
                        It is on this photo 41 pages.
                        P.S. Photo greetings from Natsik.
                      3. -4
                        18 February 2016 13: 36
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        ...
                        P.S. Photo greetings from Natsik.

                        Ay Ay, if the photo Natsik printed us no way.
                      4. +4
                        18 February 2016 13: 49
                        Blurted out. well done.
                        Now erase it - the photo does not apply to the period in question. Pay attention to the form. - Overcoats, caps of the PMV period. (20 years since it ended, Karl! Rarity yopt)
                        But the argument is that the photo was used in a Nazi propaganda newspaper in 1933 by Uncle Yosei.
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkischer_Beobachter
                      5. -2
                        18 February 2016 14: 32
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        Blurted out. well done.
                        Now erase it - the photo does not apply to the period in question. Pay attention to the form. - Overcoats, caps of the PMV period. (20 years since it ended, Karl! Rarity yopt)
                        But the argument is that the photo was used in a Nazi propaganda newspaper in 1933 by Uncle Yosei.
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkischer_Beobachter

                        I followed the link - I didn’t see the photo, but it doesn’t matter, the photo may be left, hunger doesn’t cancel it. Or do you say that there was no famine, and the bourgeoisie came up with a ditty?
                        PySy and this is generally an overcoat?
                      6. +1
                        18 February 2016 14: 42
                        Strange, it did not load apparently. I'll try to duplicate.
                        TopVar you sadden me ...
                        http://imgur.com/WeNijfx

                        Quote: poquello
                        Or do you claim that there was no hunger

                        Where do I claim that he was not?
                        Or follow the conversation or do not fit. There was talk of repression and the special killing of citizens of the country.
                        To you, as I am opposing a person who has taken a position, I give evidence that there was a combination of circumstances (which the government was trying to compensate), and not a special action.
                        By the way, recalling one of the articles swell due to the use of low-quality grain, namely because of a fungus that affects it, or mold that develops due to improper storage.

                        P.S. HZ, honestly
                      7. -1
                        18 February 2016 16: 02
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        ...
                        http://imgur.com/WeNijfx

                        there is an English version of your presentation, not a newspaper, okay
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        Quote: poquello
                        Or do you claim that there was no hunger

                        Where do I claim that he was not?
                        Or follow the conversation or do not fit.

                        Alle, garage.
                        Quote: Wheel
                        ...
                        Who is bigger?
                        HISTORY OF LIGHTING THE HUNGER 1932-1933
                        One of the first campaigns of the Western press against the Soviet Union was the continuously scrolling issue of millions of starvation

                        it was not for you at all
                      8. 0
                        20 February 2016 16: 05
                        Quote: poquello
                        there is an English version of your presentation, not a newspaper, well

                        If you are not satisfied with my source, go ahead to the German archive. The binder may have been preserved there. The binder may have been preserved in the Central Library of the Russian Federation, USA, etc.
                        Quote: poquello
                        Alle, garage.

                        I ask you to contact correctly. Comrade Major General.
                      9. +4
                        18 February 2016 04: 56
                        No, I didn't lie, but why? There is only one "ambush", the reasons.
                        Now one of the main products on which the Russian economy depends is oil, a fact known and uncontested. Everyone also knows about Western sanctions, about what caused the destruction of the USSR, I hope you know the same. Again, in the west with the participation of the Arabs, oil prices collapsed. Yes, the late USSR was also dependent on oil.
                        We look at what the USSR economy depended on in the period 1920-1930. In the mid-1920s. West announced the so-called "Golden blockade", which blocked the export of gold from the USSR.
                        West blocked the export of many traditional goods from the USSR, encouraging the export of grain only. The aim was, first of all, to strangle the USSR with the help of hunger. Plus, of course, as now, the information war! Sanctions, they are "darlings", not invented now!
                      10. -1
                        18 February 2016 13: 53
                        Quote: Red_Hamer
                        ... Sanctions, they are "darlings", not invented now!

                        so there was no collectivization or horses?
                    2. +5
                      18 February 2016 00: 49
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      War - 28 million people

                      Yeah, and each of them was personally shot by Stalin ...
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      here also add numerous migrations

                      According to the laws of wartime, almost all of these peoples were to be shot, they were humanely resettled ...
                      1. -3
                        18 February 2016 01: 34
                        Quote: Wheel
                        ...
                        According to the laws of wartime, almost all of these peoples were to be shot, they were humanely resettled ...

                        and families of enemies of the people under what laws?
                      2. +1
                        18 February 2016 03: 16
                        Art. 58-8 UK RSFSR
                    3. +1
                      18 February 2016 04: 21
                      Famine Stalin organized?
                      1. +1
                        18 February 2016 13: 32
                        Quote: asiat_61
                        Famine Stalin organized?

                        Here, some comrades believe that they organized the bourgeoisie as a blockade, confusing the immoral sale of grain abroad with the very cause of hunger - and specifically with an unreasoned breakdown in the way of agriculture.
                      2. 0
                        18 February 2016 14: 35
                        And then I had a facepalm.
                        You at least to support your pants bring digits.
                        I’m arguing with partners, I read that export was about 1% + help to the affected regions from the cataclysm. (The USSR was so cruel that it supplied grain to the needy).
                        Quote: poquello
                        breaking the way of agriculture.

                        A break? haha ... he was broken by the collapse of the empire (there, between times, hunger loomed) and civil war.
                        How much can (we embrace the terminology of the game as embracing most of the process) craft grain peasant? peasant with a horse? peasant with agricultural machinery?
                      3. -1
                        18 February 2016 15: 45
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        ...
                        I’m arguing with partners, I read that export was about 1% + help to the affected regions from the cataclysm. (The USSR was so cruel that it supplied grain to the needy).

                        where is Germany you know better, in 1% or in need
                        Quote: ShadowCat

                        Quote: poquello
                        breaking the way of agriculture.

                        A break? haha ... he was broken by the collapse of the empire

                        took it myself and fell apart?
                        Quote: ShadowCat

                        How much can (we embrace the terminology of the game as embracing most of the process) craft grain peasant? peasant with a horse? peasant with agricultural machinery?

                        peasant? the kulaks worked, they were exhausted, but the collective farms did not provide grain and means of production
                      4. 0
                        18 February 2016 16: 10
                        Quote: poquello and collective farms did not provide grain and means of production normally

                        I always asked myself the question, "and with what means did the collective farmer build a tank or an airplane?"
                        And the second question: "How is it that under the collective farm system, in the Second World War, there was no hunger and the food card was removed in December 1947, but in England, a little later?"
                      5. +2
                        18 February 2016 16: 52
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquello and collective farms did not provide grain and means of production normally

                        I always asked myself the question, "and with what means did the collective farmer build a tank or an airplane?"
                        And the second question: "How is it that under the collective farm system, in the Second World War, there was no hunger and the food card was removed in December 1947, but in England, a little later?"

                        probably they didn’t understand that, the collective farms did not reap a normal crop because they were not fully provided with grain, horses and equipment, they had already poked their fists, they started eating the crops and then went hungry, it was not about the collective farm
                      6. +2
                        18 February 2016 16: 59
                        Quote: poquello the collective farms did not harvest a normal crop because they were not fully provided with grain, horses and machinery, they had already poked their fists, started eating the crops and then went hungry, it was not about the collective farm

                        A man is always the last thing you do. But, after all, they managed to cope with excesses on time and provide the city with food, and there was no more hunger in the village.
                      7. +1
                        19 February 2016 01: 24
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquello the collective farms did not harvest a normal crop because they were not fully provided with grain, horses and machinery, they had already poked their fists, started eating the crops and then went hungry, it was not about the collective farm

                        A man is always the last thing you do. But, after all, they managed to cope with excesses on time and provide the city with food, and there was no more hunger in the village.

                        a bent farmer - let a million peasant farms go around the world, then yes - the collective farms and the Second World War showed themselves very well, but all this hard worker was completely unjustified at the time of transition
                      8. +2
                        19 February 2016 06: 21
                        Quote: poquello a bent farmer - let a million peasant farms go around the world, then yes - the collective farms and the Second World War showed themselves very well, but all this hard worker was completely unjustified at the time of transition

                        What does it mean "to let the world go." You read, straight tears rolling in the eye.
                        That there were three categories of dispossessed, do you know?
                        The first category was treated the most severely. That is, "who actively resisted the Soviet regime.
                        Mass operations to eliminate the "kulaks" began in February 1930. "In 1930, 115231 families were evicted, in 1931 - 265795. In two years, therefore, 381 thousand families were sent to the North, to the Urals, Siberia and Kazakhstan. Some of the kulak families (200-250 thousand) managed to" self-dispossess " , that is, sell or abandon your property and flee to cities or construction sites. " In 1932 and after, no special eviction campaigns were conducted. On May 8, 1933, practically, the "repression" ended.
                        The above data refer to categories 1 and 2 of kulaks and their families. And then something very interesting happens. Category 3: "subject to resettlement by special settlements within the areas of their former residence", that's the problem, the official statistics did not take into account... And, here, anti-communists, expanse. As you want, count it. Figures, however, more or less honest researchers, cite with the word, "about": from 1 mln. to 1 mln. 100 thousand farms. This is the arithmetic.
                      9. -1
                        19 February 2016 12: 38
                        Quote: avva2012
                        ... here, anti-communists, expanse. As you want, count it. Figures, however, more or less honest researchers, cite with the word, "about": from 1 mln. to 1 mln. 100 thousand farms. This is the arithmetic.

                        The largest grain producer in 1914, half of the farms have 3 horses, and in 1932 there is hunger, that's all arithmetic.
                      10. 0
                        19 February 2016 14: 40
                        Quote: poquelloThe largest grain producer in 1914, half of the farms have 3 horses, and in 1932 there is hunger, that's all arithmetic.

                        In 1932, the famine was not only in Russia, but also in Poland and Romania. Also did the Bolsheviks arrange? Oh, about three horses.
                        Have you been in the village at least once? Can you imagine how much the horse is eating? Yes, not just hay straw. Grain is needed, but it is expensive. Ah, caring for a horse? This is not chicken. If the sweaty horse is not wiped, then pneumonia, death. Do you have any idea how much the horse cost then? You are apparently a deeply urban resident. And why should the peasant have three! horses?
                        Now, if he had hired workers (laborers) then yes. Could hold. And by the way, that barefoot that came from the city in leather jackets, she did not understand anything in rural life. Therefore, this marker was explained to them. If the peasant has one horse, then he is prosperous, but ours. And, if more, then alas, a fist. That is, in your opinion, it turns out that half of the peasants had three horses, and half of the peasants, on their laborer? Well, then for sure, it was necessary to dispossess. Here, such arithmetic.
                      11. +1
                        19 February 2016 16: 36
                        So about what I’m talking about - kulak farms, set production, together with the landowners half of their grain and everything under the rink of the proletariat, with the middle peasants of which zealous party workers also seized more than half of all grain produced. If there are three horses, then not the poor.
                        Quote: avva2012
                        ... by the way, that barefoot that came from the city in leather jackets, she did not understand anything in rural life. Therefore, this marker was explained to them. If the peasant has one horse, then he is prosperous, but ours. And, if more, then alas, a fist. That is, in your opinion, it turns out that half of the peasants had three horses, and half of the peasants, on their laborer? Well, then for sure, it was necessary to dispossess. Here, such arithmetic.

                        Moscow rose on tithing under the Tatar-Mongols, but these guys did not leave for sowing.
                      12. +1
                        19 February 2016 17: 06
                        Quote: poquello So about what I’m talking about - kulak farms, set production, together with the landowners half of their grain and everything under the rink of the proletariat, with the middle peasants of which zealous party workers also seized more than half of all grain produced. If there are three horses, then not the poor.

                        If there are three horses, then you already use hired labor. And, aware that hired labor was in the USSR, is prohibited? What if you have a peon, then this is just a felony? Like or dislike, but criminal offenses in any country are punished.
                        At the expense of the proletariat. And how to make a technological revolution without increasing the very proletariat, which was 3% in RI? What to feed, if the fist, held the grain in 1929, "I was waiting for the best price." It turns out that the fists ran into the wrong person. What, then, to complain and to whom?
                      13. 0
                        19 February 2016 18: 46
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquello So about what I’m talking about - kulak farms, set production, together with the landowners half of their grain and everything under the rink of the proletariat, with the middle peasants of which zealous party workers also seized more than half of all grain produced. If there are three horses, then not the poor.

                        If there are three horses, then you already use hired labor. And, aware that hired labor was in the USSR, is prohibited? ....
                        ...
                        At the expense of the proletariat. And how to make a technological revolution without increasing the very proletariat, which was 3% in RI? What to feed, if the fist, held the grain in 1929, "I was waiting for the best price." It turns out that the fists ran into the wrong person. What, then, to complain and to whom?

                        not a fact, but nevertheless, what law are you for lawmakers? As decided would be so.
                        The factories would overtake the poor, even if forcibly, but this would have lesser protest.
                        It doesn’t work, not all the fists went to negotiations with a sawn-off shotgun, would have agreed, but had not agreed with the Mauser.
                      14. 0
                        20 February 2016 06: 41
                        Quote: poquello not a fact, but nevertheless, what law are you for lawmakers? As decided would be so.

                        The revolution was socialist! the basis is taken the rejection of the exploitation of man by man. That is, hiring a laborer is an undermining of the state principles. Even now there are criminal articles and they are punished for them not childishly.
                        The factories would overtake the poor, even if forcibly, but this would have lesser protest.

                        It turns out that you are still the same Zhukov. laughing Give you free rein, it is necessary, "to drive the poor." sad So, I’ll tell you a secret, most of the peasants were poor. An individual in the western regions, GDG, is still tied to a goat. She eats grass around herself, she is tied to another place. Have you been to the chernozem zone of the Russian Federation? Earth free seen a lot?
                        It doesn’t work, not all the fists went to negotiations with a sawn-off shotgun, would have agreed, but had not agreed with the Mauser.

                        This suggests that the kulaks already had their own organization, with which they were secret. And which state will tolerate such things? Yes, and ask yourself, who is this fist? Why is this a popular name? If the fist was revered and loved by the peasantry, then why is it not a different name? Yes, and what percentage of kulaks was among the whole peasantry, and why?
                      15. 0
                        20 February 2016 09: 25
                        Quote: avva2012
                        The revolution was socialist! the basis is taken the rejection of the exploitation of man by man.

                        How are you feeling? Why did you decide that the barbaric exploitation of man, not by man, but by an organized structure (state), is this something so socially good? Did the Bolsheviks tell you that? Have you tried to think with your own head?
                        Quote: avva2012
                        That is, hiring a laborer is an undermining of the state principles. Even now there are criminal articles and they are punished for them not childishly.

                        Yeah Wage labor has been the foundation of any prosperous economy for many centuries.
                      16. +1
                        20 February 2016 22: 40
                        Quote: carbine
                        Why did you decide that the barbaric exploitation of man, not by man, but by an organized structure (state), is this something so socially good?

                        Do you think that a person is better?
                      17. +1
                        20 February 2016 23: 09
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        Do you think that a person is better?

                        You do not jump off the topic. And do not translate the arrows. Since we decided to explain why it is good and correct to exploit a person’s organized structure (state), then explain.
                        And do not forget to explain why under tsarism such an organized structure (state) was not good, while under "socialism" such an organized structure (state) was supposedly terribly good. Try to somehow justify this Soviet pseudoscientific nonsense, if you can.
                        Also, if you want, you can strain and explain why the clerk working for the merchant is so bad, and the manager working for the organized structure (state) is so good.
                      18. +1
                        21 February 2016 16: 57
                        Quote: carbine
                        And do not forget to explain why under tsarism such an organized structure (state) was not good

                        1. Irregular working hours
                        2. Lack of accessible education
                        3. Lack of social guarantees.
                        Quote: carbine
                        and under "socialism" such an organized structure (state) was supposedly terribly good.

                        1. For the first time in the world, an 8-hour work day, 5-day work week
                        2. For the first time in the world, education has become available to everyone
                        3. For the first time in the world, a social package

                        Quote: carbine
                        you can strain and explain

                        I'm lazy. Explain.
                      19. 0
                        21 February 2016 17: 13
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        1. Irregular working hours
                        2. Lack of accessible education
                        3. Lack of social guarantees.

                        It's funny. No, really funny. Especially about the working day and social guarantees. Do not forget to remember that a person was obliged to work under "socialism", but he could not quit (under Stalinism). And he could not escape from work, for this he was supposed to be in prison. Only if to a shock construction site or to a mine. Or to the zone, of course. So much for all the "social guarantees".
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        1. For the first time in the world, an 8-hour work day, 5-day work week
                        2. For the first time in the world, education has become available to everyone
                        3. For the first time in the world, a social package

                        Lord WHEN? How are you feeling? By the time the 40-hour labor week was introduced in the USSR, the entire civilized world had long lived under such laws. And they introduced it after the first jump in oil prices occurred.
                        And under Dzhugashvili, the working week was 6 days + 1 day off (decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR "On the transition to an eight-hour working day, a seven-day working week and the prohibition of unauthorized departure of workers and employees from enterprises and institutions" of June 26, 1940) . At 8 hour working day. And for being late for more than 21 minutes, a prison was supposed to.
                        So much for the "social package". In the form of a bowl of gruel and place on wooden planks.
                      20. +1
                        21 February 2016 19: 33
                        Quote: carbine
                        ... And for being late for more than 21 minutes, a prison was supposed.
                        So much for the "social package". In the form of a bowl of gruel and place on wooden planks.

                        about lateness there are some doubts, it is either not so or it was not fulfilled
                      21. +1
                        21 February 2016 19: 51
                        Quote: poquello
                        about lateness there are some doubts, it is either not so or it was not fulfilled

                        I agree in you. The fact is that information is from the Internet. And there may be inaccuracies, of course. For absenteeism without justifiable reason, they indicted for sure. And punished by labor at the place of work for up to 6 months with deduction from wages up to 25%. In addition, there is information on the Internet that absenteeism was considered late for more than 21 minutes. I will not argue this, the source is the same, the Internet.
                        In addition, for the unauthorized abandonment of the enterprise or institution, the employee was sentenced to a prison term of 2 months to 4 months upon the verdict of the people's court. Apparently, it was not early leaving work that was meant, but leaving him altogether.
                      22. 0
                        22 February 2016 02: 01
                        Quote: carbine
                        Quote: poquello
                        about lateness there are some doubts, it is either not so or it was not fulfilled

                        I agree in you. The fact is that information is from the Internet. And there may be inaccuracies, of course. ...

                        Internet is a thing. There is about reptilians fighting UFOs in Syria, and there are also books of eyewitnesses of historical events, their recollections - here you can somehow use your memoirs to navigate what happened when, but approximately.
                      23. 0
                        22 February 2016 02: 15
                        Quote: poquello
                        Internet is a thing.

                        In fact, the only mistake there was that the punishment for being late for more than 20 minutes was not imprisonment, but correctional labor with a deduction of 25% of earnings. But there was a punishment for such a "crime".
                        But for the fact that he left the enterprise without the permission of the administration, a prison was supposed. From 2 to 4 months.
                      24. 0
                        21 February 2016 22: 38
                        Quote: carbine
                        Do not forget to remember that a person was obliged to work under "socialism"

                        But under capitalism, no? However
                        Quote: carbine
                        but he could not quit (under Stalinism).

                        Where is such nonsense from?
                        Quote: carbine
                        And he could not run away from work, a prison was supposed to.

                        And now the street. However, you are wrong.
                        Meanwhile, in pursuit of a long ruble, negligent workers constantly switched from one enterprise to another. One of the loopholes for such "flyers" was the rule of automatic dismissal for absenteeism. To rectify the situation, the Decree of June 26, 1940 was adopted.
                        According to the order of the People's Commissar of Justice of the USSR and the Prosecutor of the USSR No. 84/133 of July 22, 1940, workers and employees who were more than 20 minutes late without good reason after a lunch break or unauthorized departure from work earlier than 20 minutes before a lunch break or the end of the working day should also be brought to justice, as for absenteeism, in part 2 of article 5 of the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of June 26, 1940
                        Thus, for absenteeism and an equal lateness of more than 20 minutes, up to six months of corrective labor at the place of work with a deduction of up to 25% of earnings were supposed. That is, negligent workers did not go to prisons and camps, but were punished by the ruble, while continuing to work at their workplace.

                        Although this applies to 1940, more precisely to the decree of the Presidium of June 26, 1940. Prior to this, they simply fired (which is quite normal because there is discipline at any job) and some irresponsible citizens ran from factory to factory to receive a salary.
                        Or do you think that someone should feed loafers and loafers?

                        Quote: carbine
                        By the time the 40-hour labor week was introduced in the USSR, the entire civilized world had long lived under such laws.

                        You are a true Liberoid! Beautifully distort and rewrite the words.
                        Before the USSR in the Russian Empire 60-70 hours at 6 days. In the USSR, after October, 8 hours / day at 48 hours of workweek. After lowered yet.
                        In 1940, due to the increasing complexity of the world situation, they returned to 48 hours.

                        Quote: carbine
                        And for being late for more than 21 minutes, a prison was supposed to.

                        Give an example of your leaning
                      25. 0
                        22 February 2016 01: 45
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        ...
                        You are a true Liberoid! Beautifully distort and rewrite the words.
                        Before the USSR in the Russian Empire 60-70 hours at 6 days. In the USSR, after October, 8 hours / day at 48 hours of workweek. After lowered yet.
                        In 1940, due to the increasing complexity of the world situation, they returned to 48 hours.
                        ...

                        )))) RI 1897-11,5 hours per day 1913 - 10 1917 - 8,5 and 91 holidays per year
                      26. 0
                        22 February 2016 02: 10
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        Where is such nonsense from?

                        From the Decree of June 26, 1940. If the employee’s administration did not let go, then he himself could not quit. And if he escaped, then he was supposed to be judged. From 2 to 4 months in prison.
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        However, you are wrong.

                        "5. To establish that workers and employees who have left state, cooperative and public enterprises or institutions without permission are brought to trial and, by the verdict of the people's court, are imprisoned for a term of 2 to 4 months."
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        Or do you think that someone should feed loafers and loafers?

                        This is none of your business. And it’s not up to the authorities. Do not distort. These are people, not cattle. And the Stalinists turned them into disenfranchised cattle. In slaves.
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        Give an example of your leaning

                        I agree, I was mistaken, I wrote incorrectly. Not a prison, but forced labor with deduction from earnings of 25%. How absent-minded.
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        Before the USSR in the Russian Empire 60-70 hours at 6 days.

                        Soon you will add up to 168 hour week with 7 days. Even corvee under the serf system was three days. Subject to all holidays. And under "socialism" corvee became six days old. Great achievement.
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                      28. +3
                        19 February 2016 16: 41
                        I read somewhere that during the "Great Depression" in America 8 million people died of hunger. So where was the real glamor?
                      29. 0
                        19 February 2016 19: 02
                        Quote: Old Warrior
                        I read somewhere that during the "Great Depression" in America 8 million people died of hunger. So where was the real glamor?

                        no one claims that it was a brilliant idea to get out of depression
                      30. 0
                        20 February 2016 09: 29
                        Quote: Old Warrior
                        I read somewhere that during the "Great Depression" in America 8 million people died of hunger.

                        Not 8, but 888. This is reliable information from the Internet. On one site it was written.
                      31. 0
                        20 February 2016 16: 16
                        GosStat America is godlessly lying. But don't get used to it ...
                      32. 0
                        20 February 2016 18: 52
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        GosStat America is godlessly lying. But don't get used to it ...

                        Do not get used to internet lies. Incl. and on this topic. Moreover, the so-called. "Goskomstat of America" ​​says nothing on this topic at all. Just reflects the numbers, no comment.
                        You would be stupid rumors like an old grandmother on a bench would not spread. They would have looked more solid. And then, they heard a ringing, but did not understand what he was talking about.
                      33. 0
                        20 February 2016 22: 47
                        But you do it)
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                      35. 0
                        20 February 2016 16: 11
                        Quote: avva2012
                        In 1932, famine was not only in Russia, but also in Poland and Romania.

                        and CCA. - 7mln not fit into the economy. Damned Bolsheviks.
                      36. 0
                        20 February 2016 16: 18
                        Quote: ShadowCat and CCA. - 7mln not fit into the economy. Damned Bolsheviks.

                        There were a lot of things. Including millions, they worked for the stew. But they’re talking about this, no, but about us, yes. And, to hell with them, let them say, only that’s what infuriates us, that our TV.A.R.I., not just sing along, but also add it with pleasure!
                      37. 0
                        20 February 2016 18: 55
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        7 million do not fit into the economy. Damned Bolsheviks.

                        Already 7? You have already decided on the number of victims of the hated bourgeois regime. And ascribe to the back. To escalate horror. It will turn out very well. And ideologically true. And terribly enough. And what is 7 million? A trifle.
                      38. +1
                        21 February 2016 16: 59
                        About 7 million according to the statistics of the American guest. If I am mistaken, explain where the people disappeared. They could not evaporate.
                      39. 0
                        21 February 2016 17: 33
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        About 7 million according to the statistics of the American guest. If I am mistaken, explain where the people disappeared. They could not evaporate.

                        The local State Statistics Committee did not give any "evaporated people".
                        These "Internet prospectors" calculated that if the population growth during the Depression had been the same as before it, the population of the USA by the end of the Depression would have been 8,5 million people. more. At the same time, during the Depression due to the entry / exit of the population increased by 3 million less than it was before the Depression. Those. loss of population from all other factors (including mostly less giving birth) were 5,5 million people. But how many of these 5,5 million died of hunger and committed suicide, it is not known. I don’t think there are very many, although I think there were some. I have not seen a photo of American goners in the internet. "Poor American homeless people during the Great Depression" in the photo looks quite well-fed, although in places and ragged. In contrast to the photos of the Soviet starving people.
                        Here is such arithmetic there, as far as I know. In general, take an interest in the internet yourself.
                      40. 0
                        21 February 2016 22: 45
                        Internet explorer although screenshots lead.
                        Quote: carbine
                        In general, take an interest in the internet yourself.

                        I was interested and see about the approximate 7 million evaporated. You give links so that they appear?
                      41. 0
                        22 February 2016 02: 22
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        You give links so that they appear?

                        What are the links? What are you talking about? How are you feeling?
                        If we continue about these 5,5 million, then by the same method of counting the USSR in the Second World War I lost not 27, but 36 million people. But no one thinks so, not accepted. Therefore, the Second World War 27 million. And in the USA, call the State Department and demand exact numbers.
                      42. 0
                        20 February 2016 16: 08
                        Quote: poquello
                        fists worked

                        Who are the fists?
                        Do not confuse with the middle peasants.
                        The rest of t. Avva2012 said everything.
                      43. 0
                        20 February 2016 22: 43
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        Quote: poquello
                        fists worked

                        Who are the fists?
                        Do not confuse with the middle peasants.
                        ...

                        no,
                        Most of the grain production came from kulak farms (about 2 billion pounds out of 5 billion pounds of the total crop). Landowners produced 600 million pounds. Thus, the middle peasants and the poor accounted for half of the gross collection with very low marketability (14,7%), because there was barely enough grain to feed the family and cattle.
                      44. +1
                        20 February 2016 23: 15
                        Quote: poquello
                        Most grain production

                        Uguk. Like the Netherlands.

                        Let's look in the dictionary.
                        merchant, hunks, gidomor, flint, strong man; Dictionary of Dal

                        But since they produced grain so well, why was there famine in the country? and I'm not talking about the period 192x-1932.
                      45. 0
                        20 February 2016 23: 37
                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        ...
                        Let's look in the dictionary.
                        merchant, hunks, gidomor, flint, strong man; Dictionary of Dal

                        and in the dictionary with the letter "F" one sweatshirt)))

                        In the pre-revolutionary Russian village, the “fist” was most often called the prosperous peasant, who received prosperity from the “enslavement” of his fellow villagers and kept the whole “world” (the rural community) “in the fist” (depending on himself). The nickname "fist" was received by rural peasants who had unclean, unearned income, in their opinion, moneylenders, buyers and merchants. The consciousness of peasants has always been based on the idea that the only honest source of wealth is hard physical labor. The origin of the wealth of moneylenders and merchants was primarily associated with their dishonesty - for example, a merchant was considered a “parasite of society, profiting from objects obtained by other people's labor," because, according to the conviction of peasants engaged in direct production, "you will not deceive - you will not sell "

                        3.http: //newsruss.ru/doc/index.php/Economy_SSSR_v_1930-kh_yah
                        http://www.memorial.krsk.ru/Work/Konkurs/16/Kabirova/0.htm
                      46. 0
                        20 February 2016 22: 49
                        Quote: ShadowCat

                        Who are the fists?
                        Do not confuse with the middle peasants.

                        trudge on your confidence
                        Most of the grain production came from kulak farms (about 2 billion pounds out of 5 billion pounds of the total crop). Landowners produced 600 million pounds. Thus, the middle peasants and the poor accounted for half of the gross collection with very low marketability (14,7%), because there was barely enough grain to feed the family and cattle.

                        Quote: ShadowCat
                        The rest of t. Avva2012 said everything.

                        Of course he said, as I understood it, hunger was ideologically justified, and he likes it.
                      47. 0
                        21 February 2016 16: 26
                        Quote: poquello Of course he said, as I understood it, hunger was ideologically justified, and he likes it.

                        You repeat the ideas of Svidomo, which is already annoying.
                        I repeat, famine at that time was not only in the USSR, this is one, but two, there was no more hunger in the USSR after collectivization (read, hunger years in the Republic of Ingushetia, as well as the "king of hunger" at the end of the 19th century).
                      48. 0
                        21 February 2016 19: 40
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Quote: poquello Of course he said, as I understood it, hunger was ideologically justified, and he likes it.

                        You repeat the ideas of Svidomo, which is already annoying.
                        I repeat, famine at that time was not only in the USSR, this is one, but two, there was no more hunger in the USSR after collectivization (read, hunger years in the Republic of Ingushetia, as well as the "king of hunger" at the end of the 19th century).

                        I read it, and I strongly recommend it to you, so as not to produce Soviet "halva"
                        http://afanarizm.livejournal.com/174568.html
                        .. according to the reports of all the zemstvo leaders I interviewed, representatives of the Red Cross, members of the local medical administration - if you do not believe the officials of the general administration - not a single death directly from starvation, from the complete absence of any food, not to mention suicides or murders of children due to hunger, it has not been ascertained once and nowhere. All such cases reported in the newspapers - always very deaf, without an accurate indication of the place, villages, and without naming the names of people who allegedly died of starvation or resorted to suicide or murder of children - were investigated locally, as far as possible with uncertain instructions , and have not been confirmed anywhere.
                      49. 0
                        22 February 2016 09: 46
                        Quote: poquello I read it, and I strongly recommend it to you, so as not to produce Soviet "halva"
                        http://afanarizm.livejournal.com/174568.html

                        I read, and what? I agree, RI was on the rise. Here came the women ..- the Bolsheviks and their wings were cut. It’s familiar. Here are just a calculation of total mortality, as well as from hunger and disease, you can approach from different angles.
                        Here is another side: Klim Zhukov "Hunger in Russia: from Empire to USSR":
                        Fertility and mortality of the Orthodox population in the Russian Empire in 1889-1891 The most comprehensive report of the Ober Prosecutor of the Holy Synod on the Department of the Orthodox Religion for the 1890 and 1891 years, as well as for the 1892 and 1893 years), Synodal printing house. St. Petersburg, 1895
                        Year. Is dead.
                        1889/2
                        1890/3
                        1891/3
                        1892 / 3 564 352. http://red-sovet.su/post/29461/golod-v-rossii-ot-imperii-do-sssr
                    4. +5
                      18 February 2016 05: 04
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Numerous repressions - from 11 to 30 million people - they affected all spheres of society and government, Famine - 6 million people, War - 28 million people, and here also add numerous resettlement of peoples

                      Well, where do you get these numbers? I mean, little ones! Large-scale need to think. Won Isaich gasped a hundred lyam at once - and honor and respect to him! The nobel arrived, again. And you are not serious somehow No. . 10,20,30 ... pah
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      for the people, the rule of Stalin was bloody enough.

                      Yes Everyone has long known that if the blood of people innocently killed by Stalin is poured into railway tanks, the resulting composition will encircle the earth 4 times
                    5. +2
                      19 February 2016 14: 10
                      Figures and sources - where?
                      During Stalin, with a population of 2 times more in prison and camps, people were sitting even a little less than now.
                  2. +2
                    18 February 2016 05: 41
                    There are several "anecdotes" about I.V. Stalin.
                    About Rokossovsky - a great man, he easily parted with trophies, as a true Pole always raised his first toast to lovely ladies.
                    Immediately after the war, he built his country house, everyone envied him. And he invited the whole Politburo and the whole General Staff to wash ... Stalin also arrived. We walked all night, sang songs, remembered the war. In the morning everyone says goodbye, then Stalin tells him:
                    - "Thank you very much, comrade Rokossovsky, you have built a good children's holiday home."
                    On the same day, the house was inhabited by orphans.
                    Rokossovsky himself long afterwards had fun on this occasion, and several times they washed the house in a narrower circle.

                    A number of sources set forth, as a genuine case, such an episode.
                    One colonel general reported to Stalin on the state of affairs. The Supreme Commander looked very pleased and nodded twice in approval. Having finished the report, the commander hesitated. Stalin asked: "Do you want to say anything else?"
                    "Yes, I have a personal question. In Germany, I took away some things that interest me, but they were detained at the checkpoint. If possible, I would ask them to return them to me."
                    "It is possible. Write a report, I will impose a resolution."
                    Colonel-General pulled out a prepared report from his pocket. Stalin imposed a resolution. The petitioner began to thank warmly.
                    "Not worth gratitude," Stalin remarked.
                    After reading the resolution written on the report: "Return his junk to the colonel. I. Stalin", the general turned to the Supreme Commander: "There is a slip of the tongue, Comrade Stalin. I am not a colonel, but a colonel general."
                    "No, everything is correct here, Comrade Colonel," Stalin replied.
                2. +9
                  18 February 2016 03: 08
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  didn’t even come to the funeral of his mother - Ekaterina Dzhugashvili

                  Given her death on June 4, 1937 and the very peak of the party struggle, I don’t think that Catherine would like her son to join her so hastily.

                  Quote: Vadim237
                  due to the adoption in 1932 of an overestimated grain procurement plan

                  Complete nonsense. The government reduced the plan given the problems of 1930-1931

                  Quote: Vadim237
                  "Garanin executions" as an example of addressing prisoners

                  No, I don’t care, and what do I need to kiss a thief in the ass? And so ...
                  Stepan Nikolaevich Garanin was arrested on September 27, 1938. May 30, 1939 was transferred to Moscow and placed in Sukhanovskaya prison. On January 17, 1940, a special meeting of the NKVD of the USSR sentenced him to 8 years of forced labor camps. Later, the camp is extended.
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  the losses were huge from 32 to 45

                  Oh, such losses now ...
                  1929 152 million
                  1939 (January) 168 524 000
                  1941 (June) 196 716 000
                  1946 (January) 170 (War, Karl!)
                  1951 (January) 182 321 000
                  Awesome losses.

                  Quote: Vadim237
                  unreasoned government actions

                  Unreasoned actions are the eve of WWI and 1990th. The correctness of the decisions was confirmed by the Second World War and WWII in which the country came out the winner.
                  1. 0
                    18 February 2016 07: 09
                    Quote: ShadowCat
                    1939 (January) 168 524 000
                    1941 (June) 196 716 000

                    Do not these numbers seem strange to you - in two years the population has grown by 28 million people?
                    1. +7
                      18 February 2016 07: 28
                      Quote: sa-agDo not these numbers seem strange to you - in two years the population has grown by 28 million people?

                      Baltic States, Northern Bukovina, Western Ukraine and Belarus.
                      Plus a normal demographic situation. In families, on average, 5-8 children and well-developed medical services for the population.
                  2. +2
                    18 February 2016 10: 22
                    At that time, everyone could be imprisoned and forced a confession out of him - torture was a very common practice and not all prisoners were thieves and the attitude towards them was worse than towards cattle. Complete nonsense - The government reduced the plan given the problems of 1930-1931 "- this is not nonsense - this is the truth already documented and confirmed - I advise you to study the encyclopedia of the history of the USSR, the history of Russia in the 20th century, published in 1995, where all the events are written and shown in detail.
                    1. +3
                      18 February 2016 11: 09
                      Is there a link about torture in the USSR? Please write, otherwise I personally met references only to Solzhenitsyn and Shalamov.
                  3. -4
                    18 February 2016 10: 26
                    Oh, such losses now ...
                    1929 152 million
                    1939 (January) 168 524 000
                    1941 (June) 196 716 000
                    1946 (January) 170 (War, Karl!)
                    1951 (January) 182 321 000
                    Awesome losses. - This is the population of the entire USSR, and not the RSFSR about whose losses I'm talking. And "Karl" - throw this name out of the letter - it becomes parasitic.
                    1. +4
                      18 February 2016 10: 51
                      You generally throw something without bringing anything. I guess only on the client’s giblets, and if you don’t give exactly where and what, I will answer exactly as I interpret.
                      If you want to - be so kind as to indicate how many people were in the RSFSR, what were the gains and losses.
                      If you can’t proceed about the USSR.
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      And "Karl" - throw this name out of the letter - it becomes parasitic.

                      What and where should I leave it is up to me and the judicial system to decide. If you don’t like something, you can either cry in the corner, or leave, or sue me.
                3. +5
                  18 February 2016 05: 24
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  profane beginning of the war, g

                  And how to start a war? Can I use examples? Who didn’t have a profound start over there? Who adequately entered the war? what Poland? No, not Poland. Two weeks floundered. Probably France ... No, they pissed away everything that is possible. UK? These, too, raked both on water and in the air. USA? No. Pearl Harbor doesn't fit. What kind of miracle country did not spoil the beginning of the war?
                  1. -3
                    18 February 2016 09: 59
                    "Stop alarmism, do not succumb to provocations - there will be no war" - this was spread throughout the red army, thereby discouraging it and the military repression added to this disorganization. From what connivance did everything - of course Stalin.
                    1. +4
                      18 February 2016 10: 13
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Stop panic, do not succumb to provocations

                      Knowing the methods of Germany which needs only an excuse, it is better to give in to panic and then get the Allies + Axis vs USSR coalition?

                      Quote: Vadim237
                      discouraged and repression of the military

                      Here this week I read about the Spanish ace Smurkevich, who was part of the General Staff of the Red Army Air Force. From the 40th year.
                      Think about such a moment in the biography - Smurkevich used observers to send information over the raids on Madrid over the telephone. At the same time, he did not bother installing radios in airplanes. Given a high position, who should I ask?
                      There is a problem with communication in general - even training was not assigned to it. Again, with whom to ask?

                      By the way, have you ever held a leadership position?
                      1. -5
                        18 February 2016 18: 26
                        I myself am the owner of the production. But Stalin did not give a damn about everyone, the Russian people are slaughter for people like him, the government and he is personally responsible for what happened in those years, the only plus of his reign is the creation of a powerful industrial base, and that's all, no more What significant advantages are not. My opinion on the era of Stalin’s reign is purely negative.
                      2. 0
                        20 February 2016 16: 01
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        I myself am the owner of the production.

                        machine tool or what?
                        Unfortunately, I own the current myself, and not always. But I know perfectly well that people lie to please themselves. and honest people, this must be sought in the afternoon with fire. What am I doing? And to the fact that we are not anthill and, by coincidence, there are no telepaths. So you have to believe Comrade Gref, Comrade Ivanov, etc. etc.
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        . But Stalin did not care about everyone, the Russian people - meat

                        justify. And with the analysis, evidence. And you know, you can say something unpleasant and insulting about you,
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        , power and he is personally responsible

                        You decide. And it sounds like something ... Either he is in the government, or he is just separately and the government is separate. Here, either I, or the skis do not go ....
                        Using your thesis, for example, now you can say "Vadim 237 is to blame for the ruble collapse."
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        the only plus of his reign is the creation of a powerful industrial base and that’s all, there are no more significant advantages. M

                        And how many advantages did you make for the people? At least in your opinion he has one.
                4. +3
                  18 February 2016 10: 03
                  And who is to blame for the ill-conceived decisions on the collapse of the USSR, and who counted the victims of these decisions, and how many millions of refugees formed who counted ???
                5. +2
                  19 February 2016 13: 00
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  hunger or food shortages due to the adoption in 1932 of an overestimated plan for grain procurement
                  -
                  where did this come from in your head? Maybe the real numbers on the plans look first?

                  But even if you do not look at the facts in numbers. Two consecutive years of drought, crop failures in entire regions of the country, especially the Non-Black Earth Region, where 20% of the crop has survived, where will the big plans come from? In 1932, it was barely enough to land.
            3. +3
              17 February 2016 22: 45
              We are waiting for arguments to support the thesis about "millions killed personally by Stalin"
              1. -7
                18 February 2016 00: 24
                Quote: ShadowCat
                We are waiting for arguments to support the thesis about "millions killed personally by Stalin"

                Hasty collectivization and dispossession led to starvation of about three million people. Pure little mistake of the great idol.
                1. +5
                  18 February 2016 01: 02
                  Quote: poquello
                  Hasty collectivization and dispossession

                  And, excuse me, in what year do you think the UNSUCCESSFUL collectivization should have ended? And industrialization? There Hitler would have waited for us, right? And how did you count three million? This is on the collective farms so many people died? Was there a bad hour? And this is the first failure in the history of the Russian state?
                  Sometimes it's better to be silent
                  1. -5
                    18 February 2016 01: 32
                    Quote: Corporal Valera
                    Quote: poquello
                    Hasty collectivization and dispossession

                    ...
                    Sometimes it's better to be silent

                    32 years old, sometimes it's better to learn history
                    1. +1
                      18 February 2016 04: 48
                      What is "32"? Is this your age or what?
                      "Hasty" and that later ended. Something I do not understand you. The question was:
                      Quote: Corporal Valera
                      In what year do you think the UNSUCCESSFUL collectivization should end?

                      And there were several questions.
                      1. +1
                        18 February 2016 13: 19
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        What is "32"? Is this your age or what?
                        "Hasty" and that later ended. Something I do not understand you. The question was:
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        In what year do you think the UNSUCCESSFUL collectivization should end?

                        And there were several questions.

                        One question - your stupid laziness, you open the history of Russia, the events of 1932 and read. And turn on the brain, if you have it - NINE years before the war.
                      2. +3
                        18 February 2016 23: 35
                        Quote: poquello
                        One question - your stupid laziness, you open the history of Russia, the events of 1932 and read. And turn on the brain, if you have it - NINE years before the war.

                        You turn on your brain. Collectivization was not an end in itself. It was designed to ensure industrialization. Which successfully passed in your "nine more years". And not everyone did it, you are our leisurely one.
                        By the way, complete collectivization ended in 33, not in 32, and in some regions it lasted until 37. Update your tutorials. According to the "history of Russia"
                      3. -2
                        19 February 2016 01: 01
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        Quote: poquello
                        One question - your stupid laziness, you open the history of Russia, the events of 1932 and read. And turn on the brain, if you have it - NINE years before the war.

                        You turn on your brain. Collectivization was not an end in itself. It was designed to ensure industrialization. Which successfully passed in your "nine more years". And not everyone did it, you are our leisurely one.
                        ...

                        go to the history of Germany
                      4. 0
                        19 February 2016 02: 07
                        Quote: poquello
                        go to the history of Germany

                        Drain counted
                      5. -3
                        19 February 2016 10: 25
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        Quote: poquello
                        go to the history of Germany

                        Drain counted

                        Che again is too lazy to think? 1932 Hitler is not yet in power. An argument like “Stalin had time with the collective farms, but could not have time” is delusional, because a gradual transition gave the best result. However, if you are not familiar with business entities, it is unlikely that you will understand.
                      6. +3
                        19 February 2016 11: 09
                        Quote: poquello
                        Che again too lazy to think does not?

                        Che is spelled with "O". You, as I understand it, are the most thinking here.
                        Quote: poquello
                        1932 - Hitler is not yet in power.

                        if we do not follow in ten years the path that the West has traveled in 100 years, they will crush us.

                        I hope you know whose words?
                        That's right, Joseph Vissarionovich. And they were said on February 4, 1931. And what about Hitler? There will be no giter, there will be Poroshenko. They stamp them on an industrial scale. A socialist country is in a capitalist environment. Imperialism means. After the WWII, they have not fully recovered, but in 10 years ... And how he looked into the water! Now we have cap.country in cap. surrounded and even groan: If there was no war! So like that
                      7. -1
                        19 February 2016 17: 14
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        Quote: poquello
                        Che again too lazy to think does not?

                        Che is spelled with "O". You, as I understand it, are the most thinking here.

                        FAQ through "O" is written
                        Quote: Corporal Valera

                        Quote: poquello
                        1932 - Hitler is not yet in power.

                        if we do not follow in ten years the path that the West has traveled in 100 years, they will crush us.

                        ...

                        He squeezed all this fast and the furious when he took power - he does not roll for an argument. The speech was 31 years old, and the canoe was started up to 27-29 years old, it’s a direct obsnuychik of some kind of hunger and suppression of peasant riots. Once again, a gradual transition gave the best result.
                      8. +1
                        20 February 2016 12: 41
                        Quote: poquello
                        He squeezed all this fast and the furious when he took power - he does not roll for an argument.

                        Yes, and rightly so.
                        Quote: poquello
                        Speech is 31 years old, and the canoe was started on 27-29,

                        So what? The sooner realized, the better.
                        Quote: poquello
                        I’m straightly sniffing some kind of famine and suppressing peasant riots.

                        Justify and simpler could be found. Justification, like a hole in the opera, is for everyone.
                        Quote: poquello
                        Once again, a gradual transition gave the best result.

                        Yes. Only in 50 years. We have been fussing with the farmers for 25 years, but we still cannot restore the agricultural sector. And retailers do not want to work with a small supplier. They are more comfortable with the "Brazilian collective farms".
                2. +7
                  18 February 2016 02: 57
                  Quote: poquello
                  Hasty collectivization

                  Has he had more than 100 years left? (according to historians, looking at the development of the Western world) Given the political situation in the 30s and 40s, they were not. The people needed food, the industry was needed.
                  Quote: poquello
                  dekulakization

                  Who are the fists?
                  Quote: poquello
                  about three million people

                  Where did the firewood come from? However, I can tell Chamberlain "The Iron Age of Russia" where he talks about 3-4 million. Although reading the foreign press is even more interesting.
                  However, let’s go to our beds, but first I recommend that you pay attention to the American statistical agency and the 1932-1933go report on population losses. 7 million!
                  But let's go back. First, in those days, the head of the government was ... Molotov V.M.
                  On December 19, 1930, by the decision of the joint plenum of the Central Committee and Central Control Commission of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, Molotov was appointed chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Council of Labor and DefenseAs well as
                  In 1931-1932, Molotov, along with other senior party leaders, worked as an extraordinary commissioner forcing grain procurements in southern Ukraine. In December 1931, at a meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolsheviks), Vyacheslav Mikhailovich noted the extreme unsatisfactory fulfillment of the grain procurement plan and the direct threat posed to their breakdown. He demanded the use of "special measures" and increased "Bolshevik vigilance against the class enemy"
                  So oops, it’s not possible to write off Stalin.
                  As for hunger - I recommend reading the works of M. Tauger (This is between the Yankees)
                  1. -4
                    18 February 2016 17: 55
                    Quote: ShadowCat
                    ...
                    So oops, it’s not possible to write off Stalin.
                    As for hunger - I recommend reading the works of M. Tauger (This is between the Yankees)

                    Well, yes, how spaceships are so Stalin, how hunger does not roll like that
                    1. +1
                      20 February 2016 16: 23
                      Quote: poquello
                      Well, yes, how spaceships are so Stalin, how hunger does not roll like that

                      Well, with all my culture, you don’t put on your pants or not ahem ...
                      Speak more clearly or our more or less cultural discussion will turn into scuffle.
            4. +3
              18 February 2016 16: 54
              Dear, you will now have more minuses than pluses, do not say anything stupid. There are numbers. 3 convicted. 777 sentenced to death. For all 380 years. This does not exceed US prison statistics. Given the fact that they included all sorts of Vlasovites, Bandera, etc., and not much at all.
              1. 0
                18 February 2016 18: 04
                Quote: Foxmara
                ... 3 convicted. 777 sentenced to death. For all 380 years. ...

                but are these numbers by year ?, interesting to see
                1. +2
                  18 February 2016 18: 56
                  Yes, everything is in the statistics, but these details do not interest me much. At one time in places not so remote there were up to 2 million people before the war, after the war more for obvious reasons. In the early thirties (or twenties? I don’t remember), from 200-300 thousand were, to 39 to 2 million. The numbers gradually increased.
              2. 0
                20 February 2016 16: 28
                Quote: Foxmara
                There are numbers. 3 convicted. 777 sentenced to death.

                Damn it, but I agree with comrade poquello.
                Where are the statistics Karl? Where are the comparisons with US prisons?
                Maybe you are trying to make IV Stalin a plus, but we are adults and have access to no - so we work on links.
                No offense. But I would be interested in such an analytical-comparative analysis.
                1. +2
                  20 February 2016 16: 50
                  Quote: ShadowCat But I would be interested in such an analytical-comparative analysis.

                  Ring that you climbed, but here: http://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=2816
                  V.N. Zemskov. Political repressions in the USSR: real scales and speculative constructions.
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2016 23: 25
                    Quote: avva2012
                    http://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=2816

                    thank you
                    1. 0
                      21 February 2016 16: 28
                      Quote: poquello thank you

                      Please.
                2. 0
                  20 February 2016 23: 57
                  Quote: ShadowCat
                  Where are the statistics Karl? Where are the comparisons with US prisons?

                  What "US prisons"? The USSR under Dzhugashvili was one big prison. Only the regimes of detention in different parts of this large "zone" were different.
                  And for the escape from the Stalinist paradise, the death penalty was imposed with the confiscation of property (SZ USSR, 1934, No. 33, article 255. http://www.gumer.info/bibliotek_Buks/History/Article/dop_pol.php). At the same time, members of the families of the "traitor" (if he is a serviceman) were also repressed. Link or conclusion from 5 to 10 years. The link for 5 years was relied on to those relatives who did not know anything (go and prove it). Also, punishment for failure to inform non-family members was imposed (10 years in prison).
                  Therefore, the desire to compare something on this topic is surprising.
                  1. +1
                    21 February 2016 16: 49
                    Yes, yes .. We know - Some were sitting, others were guarding. Then change. Transfer rifle and padded jacket to the seated. Robes of a convict on duty.
                    1. 0
                      21 February 2016 16: 56
                      Quote: ShadowCat
                      Some sat, others guarded. Then change.

                      There are things that are not joking. Because such "jokes" are already called buffoonery.
                    2. 0
                      21 February 2016 18: 43
                      Yes, not a lot and sat. Based on the ongoing civil war. In my opinion, a little ...
            5. 0
              19 February 2016 00: 07
              Quote: Vadim237
              "Stalin is God's providence for Russia" - and do not tell me how many people were ruined under him - his rule had much more minuses than pluses.

              Under Stalin, there was a hidden civil war. And the victims in it fell much less than in the first civil war.
            6. +2
              19 February 2016 16: 30
              How many? Judging by your comment, not all "enemies of the people" have been rooted out. Maybe this is Stalin's real mistake. He was kind. For one thing, and count how many people we lost in the 90s, if you can.
            7. 0
              19 February 2016 16: 30
              How many? Judging by your comment, not all "enemies of the people" have been rooted out. Maybe this is Stalin's real mistake. He was kind. For one thing, and count how many people we lost in the 90s, if you can.
            8. 0
              20 February 2016 11: 11
              Quote: Vadim237
              but don’t tell me how many people were killed under him

              and you don’t tell me how many people died from hunger under Nikoalyke?
      3. +19
        17 February 2016 20: 27
        Quote: vovanpain
        Quote: Koshak
        But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

        Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb. hi

        Yes, no, here, I understand the author wants to say that Stalin broke the game for secret governments who wanted to create a sort of janissary from the people of Russia without a historical memory who hated their past, who corrected their faith and were ready to bring chaos and lawlessness to Europe by someone’s secret order. He opposed this because of what, in fact, there were many who were repressed, well, actually something like that.
      4. +8
        17 February 2016 20: 40
        Quote: vovanpain
        Quote: Koshak
        But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

        Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb. hi

        And we were the first in space! (at that time the foundation was laid ..)
        1. -16
          17 February 2016 21: 22
          Quote: Malachite
          And we were the first in space! (at that time the foundation was laid ..)

          Wherever you look, everywhere everything was laid under Stalin. laughing
          1. +10
            17 February 2016 21: 34
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: Malachite
            And we were the first in space! (at that time the foundation was laid ..)

            Wherever you look, everywhere everything was laid under Stalin. laughing


            please refute ...
            1. +8
              17 February 2016 21: 39
              Only snot and drool can spray. All that we all have, only thanks to the Stalinist USSR.
            2. -17
              17 February 2016 22: 15
              Quote: Egevich
              please refute ...
            3. owl
              +8
              17 February 2016 22: 47
              Quote: Egevich
              please refute ...

              It depends on what you mean by the word FOUNDATION wink
              I will only "express my personal opinion" laughing About the foundation:
              1918 year
              On May 17, the Institute for the Study of the Brain and Mental Activities is created.
              June 10 organized the Petrograd Scientific Institute. P.F. Lesgaft.
              July 31 establishes the Russian Food Science and Technology Institute.
              On September 27, the Institute of Physical and Chemical Research of Solid Substances is being created.
              October 1 - on the basis of the existing one - Institute of Applied Mineralogy and Metallurgy.
              Also on October 1, the Socialist Academy of Social Sciences was opened (established on June 25).
              On October 30, the Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) is established.
              On November 8, the Scientific Institute of Fertilizers is created.
              December 1 - State Institute of Applied Chemistry.
              Also in December, the Scientific Chemical-Pharmaceutical Institute is created.
              In the years 1918-1919. the institutes Optical, Ceramic, Hydrological, the Institute for the Study of Platinum, Physico-chemical analysis, etc. began to work.
              1919 year
              January 4 establishes the Russian Scientific Chemical Institute.
              On May 30, a Commission for the Study and Practical Use of the Russian North will be established, which later (March 2, 1925) will be transformed into a Research Institute for the Study of the North.
              July 15, the Russian Astronomical and Geodetic Institute (AGI) is organized.
              December 9, the State Computing Institute (GVI) is created.
              On April 17, 1923, the institutes of the Institute of Geophysics and General Physics were reorganized, merging into one State Astronomical Institute.
              On July 23, the Peterhof Institute of Natural Sciences is organized.
              1. owl
                +14
                17 February 2016 22: 48
                1920 year
                On February 3, the Institute of Mechanical Processing of Minerals is organized.
                Also in 1920 opened: State Institute of Public Health, Biochemical Institute. A.N. Bakh, Institute for the Control of Vaccines and Serums, Tuberculosis Institute, Institute of Social Hygiene, etc.
                1921 year
                In February, the Physics and Mathematics Institute was created at the initiative of V. A. Steklov.
                March 10 establishes the Floating Marine Scientific Institute.
                On October 5, the State Experimental Electrotechnical Institute is established.
                On November 23, 1921, three independent institutes were created: the State Radiological and Radiological Institute (Biomedical Institute); State Physics and Radiological Institute; State Radium Institute
                1922 year
                January 10 opens State Colonization Research Institute.
                In September, the Chemical Institute named after L. Ya. Karpova.
                Also in 1922, the Institute of Experimental Agronomy was organized.
                At MSU, 11 research institutes were organized at the Faculty of Physics and Mathematics: Mathematics and Mechanics, Physics and Crystallography, Mineralogy and Petrography, Zoology, Botany, Anthropology, Astronomical and Geodesic, Geological, Soil, Geographical and Chemical; at the School of Medicine - Institute of Higher nervous activity.
                1923 year
                The Institute of Graduate Studies for the training of scientific personnel.
                Also in 1921-1923. Astrophysical Institute, Biological Institute. K.A. Timiryazev, Geographical Institute, etc.
                In 1918, Vladimir Ilyich met with the scientist Winter and asked him to begin active work in nuclear energy. March 29, 1918 proposed to organize a study in this area by the Academy of Sciences. Already at the beginning of 1922, a radium production plant was launched. The first particle accelerator was also launched this year. Further work in this area was continued. This is about the same "Sokha and Nuclear Bomb"
                1. +5
                  18 February 2016 00: 52
                  Add:
                  July 19, 1918 founded the Nizhny Novgorod radio laboratory (in fact - the Research Institute).
            4. -4
              18 February 2016 02: 43
              Quote: Egevich
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: Malachite
              And we were the first in space! (at that time the foundation was laid ..)

              Wherever you look, everywhere everything was laid under Stalin. laughing


              please refute ...

              not for the ears, so for the ears
              The legacy of the great thinker and theorist K.E. Tsiolkovsky left a deep mark in the soul of the future designer and became the reason for his passion for building rocket aircraft.
          2. 0
            19 February 2016 07: 27
            Quote: RUSS
            Wherever you look, everywhere everything was laid under Stalin

            Specifically, what was laid after Stalin? Offhand: BAM - unsuccessfully, virgin lands - unsuccessfully. These are just projects, not industries, and the foundation of everything was laid precisely under Stalin.
            1. +2
              19 February 2016 07: 35
              Quote: EvgNik Specifically, what was laid after Stalin? Offhand: BAM - unsuccessfully, virgin lands - unsuccessfully. These are just projects, not industries, and the foundation of everything was laid precisely under Stalin.

              Given, moreover, that BAM was designed and even began to be built under Stalin. Yes, the war prevented. At the expense of failure, I do not know. Generally in the idea, a practical thing.
      5. -20
        17 February 2016 21: 19
        Quote: vovanpain
        Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb.

        A "hackneyed" phrase, but to whom we should be grateful, having acquired an atomic bomb, is Emil Julius Klaus Fuksu
      6. PKK
        +3
        17 February 2016 21: 33
        Nobody reached such a high level of shamanism, Buddha, before Stalin. Even the great Buddha Gautama did less for the people of the Earth than Joseph Stalin!
        1. -3
          17 February 2016 22: 09
          Quote: PKK
          the great buddha Gautama

          Who is it????
      7. +16
        17 February 2016 21: 41
        there is no need to simplify too much - the atomic bomb is far from the main achievement of JV Stalin, although it is critically necessary for the post-war security of the USSR.

        Before the start of industrialization, the technical level of our country was 4 times lower than the level of England, 5 times lower than Germany, 10 times lower than the United States.
        During the years of the first (1929–1932) and second (1933–1937) five-year plans, many new industries arose, ferrous and non-ferrous metallurgy, chemistry, energy, and machine building stepped forward.
        The gross output of the entire industry of the USSR in 1937 increased almost 1929 times compared with 4, and if we compare the year 1913 and the pre-war year, the output of gross output in machine building and metalworking increased by 35 times.
        During the years of the prewar five-year plans, about 9 thousand large industrial enterprises were built, a new powerful industrial base was created in the east of the country, which was so useful to us during the Great Patriotic War.
        On the whole, the USSR took the first place in Europe and the second in the world in the volume of industrial production and in the technical equipment of newly built enterprises.

        During the Stalinist leadership, over the course of 30 years, an agrarian, impoverished country dependent on foreign capital has become the most powerful military-industrial power on a global scale, the center of a new socialist civilization.
        The impoverished and illiterate population of Tsarist Russia has become one of the most intelligent and educated nations in the world. The political and economic literacy of the workers and peasants by the beginning of the 50s was not only not inferior, but also surpassed the level of education of the workers and peasants of any developed country at that time.

        "In the first 19 years of ruling the country, Stalin increased its industrial production by almost 70 times and turned from an African state into the second in the world, and by a number of parameters, the first in the world."
        Prof. S. Lopatnikov

        Neither EBN nor V. Putin with his liberal financial and economic course in the economy will ever achieve such results!

        In 1990, China's GDP was six times lower than that of the Soviet Union. Now it is difficult to imagine, but it is so. It's true. In "prosperous" 2008, China's GDP exceeded Russia's GDP by three and a half times.

        Today we really can offer nothing to the world, except for raw materials?

        Yes. And for this reason, modernization in Russia cannot be carried out by liberal forces. Because as soon as we start producing something complicated ourselves, we tear out the corresponding market from Western corporations, and thereby take away their profits. We can - since our market is occupied by the West - even win our own market (this is modernization) only in conflict with the West. And liberals cannot go to a conflict with the West. This is their objective historical impasse.

        http://www.greatstalin.ru/economylifting.aspx
        1. -3
          17 February 2016 21: 53
          Quote: Alexx Kruglov
          Before the start of industrialization, the technical level of our country was 4 times lower than the level of England, 5 times lower than Germany, 10 times lower than the United States

          No need to "spam" extracts from the Internet, heed Lenin's advice. laughing
          1. +6
            17 February 2016 22: 06
            I simply confirm the facts (that this is not my invention) and give the opportunity to those who are interested in learning more about them without digging for hours in various rubbish about Stalin
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      8. +9
        17 February 2016 22: 03
        Quote: vovanpain
        Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb.
        He took the consumable country for the world revolution, and left the building country of his future. Who only, and he did not know, probably ...
      9. 0
        18 February 2016 05: 06
        Quote: vovanpain
        Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb.

        Yes, this is already known.
      10. +3
        18 February 2016 20: 09
        But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?


        Yes, history has put everything in its place for a long time, remember Russia 1917 and the USSR 1953.
        What can I say, look what is happening in the Russian Federation, even the EP against the background of Stalin is too small.
      11. +3
        19 February 2016 09: 11
        And in my opinion, the author wanted to show the difference in the goals of Lenin and Stalin. Lenin made a world revolution and was essentially a cynical demagogue, while Stalin built a social state.
        We only now understand all the genius of this man. The tasks that he solved were not to be solved by anyone in the history of mankind, nm before or after him.
        And no matter how hard they try to haul it, time will put everything in its place, and grateful descendants will appreciate its titanic work and merits to the Russian people.
      12. +2
        19 February 2016 19: 22
        Actually, before the revolution, it was a country that built its dreadnought! Yes, and Sir Winston never said so!
    2. +28
      17 February 2016 20: 14
      By the way, remember how the name of Russia was chosen when the people voted for Stalin, how they crawled on the channel, and let Nevsky shove
      this suggests that they all do not care about the people from the high bell tower
      And yet, a simple example of people's interest in Stalin is a simple inspection of the number of comments in this article.
      1. +10
        17 February 2016 21: 12
        Quote: nemec55
        By the way, remember how the name of Russia was chosen when the people voted for Stalin, how they crawled on the channel, and let Nevsky shove
        this suggests that they all do not care about the people from the high bell tower
        And yet, a simple example of people's interest in Stalin is a simple inspection of the number of comments in this article.

        I remember ! Such a howl rose in our media too (especially interesting))) Hush up this matter right away ..
    3. +16
      17 February 2016 20: 17
      Without Stalin, there would have been no victory over fascism, therefore, the Almighty, for all the shortcomings of Stalin, gave him the opportunity to defeat this cancerous poppy on the body of humanity, because only a savior could do this.
    4. -10
      17 February 2016 20: 24
      And who needs it? The stump of Turkey itself is clear.
      1. -2
        17 February 2016 21: 59
        .....................
    5. 0
      17 February 2016 20: 26
      author, take away about God. Strains. To be honest. If you believe, you are right. But in the same Bible: "Do not remember the name of the Almighty Vsu (just like that)."
      1. +4
        17 February 2016 20: 46
        Should I be so nervous? immediately comes to mind: ....... afraid like h .. rt incense.
      2. +2
        17 February 2016 21: 20
        Quote: SanSeich
        "Do not remember the name of the Almighty (just like that)."

        Quote: SanSeich
        "Do not remember the name of the Almighty (just like that)."

        So he did not mention him. God is not a name. God seems to be a position.
        1. +5
          17 February 2016 22: 34
          And who is the "supreme APU"? Muzhenko or what? belay
          1. +3
            17 February 2016 22: 54
            Quote: activator
            "Do not remember the name of the Almighty (just like that)."
            So he did not mention him. God is not a name. God seems to be a position.

            Quote: Alexx Kruglov
            And who is the "supreme APU"? Muzhenko or what? belay

            Nd amusingly turned out laughing because of one little letter, a little hubby was not reckoned to the gods. what
      3. +3
        17 February 2016 23: 26
        Why is it "to remove Gd" from the seminarian who restored the Patriarchate in the Russian Orthodox Church ?!

        St. Archbishop of Crimea and Simferopol Luka (War - Yasenetsky) professor, MD, laureate of the Stalin Prize of 1946 for essays on purulent surgery (1877 - 1961):

        “Stalin saved Russia. He showed what Russia means to the rest of the world, and therefore, as an Orthodox Christian and Russian patriot, I bow low to Stalin. ”
        1. +4
          18 February 2016 00: 36
          Quote: Alexx Kruglov
          Why is it "to remove Gd" from the seminarian who restored the Patriarchate in the Russian Orthodox Church ?!

          Holy Archbishop of Crimea and Simferopol Luka (War - Yasenetsky) professor, MD, Laureate of the Stalin Prize 1946 for essays on purulent surgery (1877 - 1961):

          “Stalin saved Russia. He showed what Russia means to the rest of the world, and therefore, as an Orthodox Christian and Russian patriot, I bow low to Stalin. ”

          this religion surrendered to him, the leader was cunning
          “Sometimes some comrades consider the peasants as materialistic philosophers, believing that it is worth giving a lecture on natural science in order to convince the peasant of the non-existence of God. They often do not understand that a man looks at God in a businesslike way, i.e. sometimes a man is not averse to turning his back on God, but he is often torn by doubts: “but who knows, maybe God really exists; wouldn’t it be better to thank both the communist and God so that it would be more reliable for the economy. ” Those who do not take this peculiarity of the psychology of the peasant into account do not understand anything about the relationship between the party and non-partisans, he did not understand that in matters of anti-religious propaganda a cautious attitude is required even to the prejudices of the peasant ”
          I.V. Stalin "Questions of Leninism", 10th ed. Page 192
          1. +3
            18 February 2016 10: 33
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Alexx Kruglov
            Why is it "to remove Gd" from the seminarian who restored the Patriarchate in the Russian Orthodox Church ?!

            this religion surrendered to him, the leader was cunning
            It’s you who are cunning, but Stalin at first wanted to devote his life to church service not out of cunning or stupidity. After he chose communism as a form of service to the working people, he ended up serving his country. Such is his track record.
            1. 0
              19 February 2016 18: 23
              Quote: Stanislav
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: Alexx Kruglov
              Why is it "to remove Gd" from the seminarian who restored the Patriarchate in the Russian Orthodox Church ?!

              this religion surrendered to him, the leader was cunning
              It’s you who are cunning, but Stalin at first wanted to devote his life to church service not out of cunning or stupidity. After he chose communism as a form of service to the working people, he ended up serving his country. Such is his track record.

              like a latent Christian?
              From 1937 to 1941 About 180 thousand priests and clergymen were arrested in the year, more than half of them - 110 thousand people - were shot, the rest were repressed. By the beginning of World War II in the Soviet Union, there were only a little more than five and a half thousand clergymen,

              http://www.preobrajenie-uzlovaya.ru/christiannews/sssr.html
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      5. +4
        18 February 2016 07: 50
        Quote: SanSeich
        vsu (just like that)
        all not "just like that", it is "the armed forces of the most formidable, invincible and liberal democratic country in the world after the United States!" AND in vain means "without purpose, reason"; from poke - "fool". True, there is still vanity - emptiness, stupidity and in vain - The policy is unbroken. There is a difference? request
        1. 0
          18 February 2016 08: 15
          Quote: Stanislav
          in vain - the policy is unbroken.
          missed the word - military policy unbroken. And her whole policy is generally in a different letter, but here the carmaker does not miss.
          You write as if your atheism and not atheism at all, but soosome kind of trust ...
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    7. +20
      17 February 2016 20: 46
      The author wanted to say one thing - Stalin is the greatest of people !!! I did not live in the days of Stalin (I was born two years after his death), but I respect him, and I believe that it was his merit in what the USSR achieved. And the repression attributed to him is nonsense. That Stalin arrested somewhere in Chita or Penza, that Stalin sat in troikas and sentenced to be shot? Yes, on his order, Tukhachevsky and the company were destroyed, but they were destroyed for the cause (it is not known how the course of the war would have gone if these people had remained in the leadership of the army). And at the same time he stopped the "Yezhovism". And under Beria, they began to release them from the camps, arranged reconsideration of cases - these are confirmed facts. So Iosif Vissarionovich has thousands of times more merit than missteps.
      1. +12
        17 February 2016 21: 15
        Tukhachevsky was a cannibal, the suppression of the Kronstad uprising, ordered the wounded sailors to leave, the Tambov peasant uprising flooded with chemical weapons and blood of the hostages whom he took in the villages, shot women and children without restraint. Is he worthy of a bullet? Still easily got off the bastard!
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      3. +3
        18 February 2016 04: 46
        Liberasts will never say that Beria began to release prisoners. For them, Beria is a cannibal.
    8. +10
      17 February 2016 21: 00
      He wanted to say that Stalin was slandered by the liberals. That he was a statesman, he did not allow to steal billions, he himself did not steal anything, he built a great power from the devastation of the bloody, Leninist one. And I completely agree with the author. Stalin, as a symbol, as a person, is dangerous to modern bureaucrats and embezzlers. For them, he is a nightmare. The coming to power of a man who professes the same values ​​as Stalin is mortally dangerous for them. Therefore, it is still watered with mud.
    9. +8
      17 February 2016 21: 04
      The author simply wanted to tell the TRUTH about the great man slandered by enemies ....
    10. +1
      17 February 2016 23: 34
      A lot of mistakes and typos recently. It’s sometimes difficult to even read texts.
    11. 0
      18 February 2016 00: 33
      Sorry! Really sorry, everything is so simple and clear.
    12. +1
      18 February 2016 01: 31
      Stalin with us !!!
    13. -2
      18 February 2016 04: 44
      You need to watch cartoons about Bevis and Badhead there everything will be clear.
    14. +1
      18 February 2016 04: 57
      Son, then you are still young and you can’t analyze the article presented to you!
      PS even your nickname speaks for you - a feline, he is a feline.
    15. +3
      18 February 2016 08: 58
      Why doesn’t anyone ask the question - Why is the whole history of the Russian Empire, the USSR, Russia a struggle for survival with the rest of the world, and first of all with the Anglo-Saxons? For some reason, at first Russia is now hindering the Amers; Russia is always trying to arrange first palace coups of the revolution now. Well, sometimes other Euro-civilizations appeared. Probably not easy. And in general, they never needed a strong Russia. And the 5th column has always contributed to this.
    16. -1
      18 February 2016 14: 33
      But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?
      Everything seems to be clear, Stalin revived the Russian Empire, returned the values ​​trampled by the Leninists and Trotskyists. Of course, the personality is ambiguous, but the article is not bad. Now there is evidence that Lenin was paid for the destruction of Russia, so it’s good that it did not come true to the end.
    17. aba
      0
      20 February 2016 06: 20
      I was embarrassed by the last paragraph of the author:
      The answer is already very close, and it is increasingly coming to the surface through the dirty ripples of idle speculation and the swamp of paid publications.
      Is the author afraid to express his opinion today and is waiting for a more convenient time?
    18. -1
      20 February 2016 10: 33
      Quote: Koshak
      But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

      Well, something like equating today's situation with the time when Stalin led the country.
    19. 0
      20 February 2016 15: 52
      So you are stupid
  2. +39
    17 February 2016 19: 48
    Our tops are afraid of Stalin like fire and people are trying to close their eyes. But we, not Svidomo, know that it was hard, but it was hard for everyone and we know what a bag of grain could be grabbed for 20 years, but we also knew that it was shooting and confiscation for the theft of state money. Oh, ours liberals are afraid of him
    I always said HOW WE BECOME (PEOPLE) LIVING BETTER STALIN WILL BE A HISTORY FOR US AND NOT A DREAM.
    1. +34
      17 February 2016 19: 50
      You understand that it is always easier to shit on the past. They shit. Stalin, of course, is ambiguous, but with the same success one can remember Peter the Great, and Ivan the Fourth, and Svyatoslav - it’s always "If a person undertakes to clean the outhouse, let him not think that he will have clean fingers ... ....
    2. +17
      17 February 2016 20: 35
      No matter how they scolded Stalin ... Nevertheless, one cannot help but remember that although corruption was not completely defeated in his reign, but after his death Khrushchev took one of his first steps to remove control of the party elite from the KGB, thereby dismissing these nomenklaturashchikov (to which Khrushchev himself belonged) to the impossible.
      And as for the repressions, then on the course we were once shown a document, a execution list, on which it was written in the hand of Stalin: "Nikita, calm down."
      So the personality of Stalin is very ambiguous.
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        1. 0
          18 February 2016 00: 15
          I’ll add, I donated southern Siberia to Kazakhstan. Astana, this is Tselinograd, if anyone remembers, and many more cities with people. At the expense of the Chechens, it's you in vain.
      2. +2
        18 February 2016 00: 01
        Quote: 13 warrior
        No matter how they scolded Stalin ... Nevertheless, one cannot help but remember that although corruption was not completely defeated in his reign, but after his death Khrushchev took one of his first steps to remove control of the party elite from the KGB, thereby dismissing these nomenklaturashchikov (to which Khrushchev himself belonged) to the impossible.
        And as for the repressions, then on the course we were once shown a document, a execution list, on which it was written in the hand of Stalin: "Nikita, calm down."
        So the personality of Stalin is very ambiguous.

        As for the executions, Nikita was really indefatigable. Yes, and he gave Crimea,.
    3. +3
      18 February 2016 00: 07
      And in order for the people to live better, they must strictly follow the political and economic Precepts of the Great Stalin, especially this one: "TRADE IN RESOURCES IS TRADE IN THE HOMELAND!"
      1. 0
        18 February 2016 01: 12
        Quote: Alexx Kruglov
        And in order for the people to live better, they must strictly follow the political and economic Precepts of the Great Stalin, especially this one: "TRADE IN RESOURCES IS TRADE IN THE HOMELAND!"

        end with balabolstvo, I'm sure that the USSR and then traded resources
        1. +1
          18 February 2016 04: 52
          He traded, but also developed his industry, unlike modern rulers.
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      1. 0
        18 February 2016 04: 53
        Interesting. Who is this draftsman who puts dashes without explaining?
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  3. +23
    17 February 2016 19: 50
    And I sympathize with Stalin.
  4. +11
    17 February 2016 19: 51
    In Russia, most still think that Ivan the Terrible is the most terrible and terrible murderer. Do you want Stalin to have an unbiased opinion? Although they are not very distinguished from their contemporaries.
    1. +9
      17 February 2016 21: 18
      Terrible and created the Russian state. The Anglo-Saxons tried to cheat on him, but then we must know our history not from their textbooks.
      1. +2
        17 February 2016 21: 30
        Quote: gergi
        Terrible and created the Russian state

        Historically more correctly and more justly, the state was created by Ivan III, and not Ivan IV the Terrible.
    2. +3
      18 February 2016 00: 04
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      In Russia, most still think that Ivan the Terrible is the most terrible and terrible murderer. Do you want Stalin to have an unbiased opinion? Although they are not very distinguished from their contemporaries.

      They were simply slandered by "educated" people.
    3. +1
      18 February 2016 04: 55
      Vanya is generally a boy from the Pioneer Dawn, in comparison with modern political figures. And in his era, the Queen Aglitsa Lizka hanged how many of her own? And how did Ivan IV Vasilyevich not marry her?
  5. +18
    17 February 2016 19: 52
    the security of present-day Russia is entirely based on that powerful foundation with a 10-fold safety margin, which was laid down in the era of Stalin.


    I very much agree with this idea ...
    Despite the devastation brought into the minds of people by liberal reformers, all the same, the achievements of the Soviet era did not allow us to kneel before our enemies.
    Personally, I never doubted the ability of my people to fight and win in the most unbearable conditions ...
    The 90s that I and many forum users had to go through made people more tenacious and resistant to the infection of the Western way of thinking.
    1. -4
      17 February 2016 21: 12
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Personally, I never doubted my ability of my people
      Do you really have your own people? Hats break, kneel down? Or irreverence and lack of understanding shorten your days of fast-flowing life?
      1. +2
        18 February 2016 04: 13
        У
        Do you really have your own people?



        Of course, these are my friends, comrades, people close to me, people I know and do not know ...
        that is, all those people among whom I live and do not confuse me with the master of the 18th century, I do not understand your sarcasm hi
    2. +4
      18 February 2016 00: 09
      Quote: The same Lech
      the security of present-day Russia is entirely based on that powerful foundation with a 10-fold safety margin, which was laid down in the era of Stalin.


      I very much agree with this idea ...
      Despite the devastation brought into the minds of people by liberal reformers, all the same, the achievements of the Soviet era did not allow us to kneel before our enemies.
      Personally, I never doubted the ability of my people to fight and win in the most unbearable conditions ...
      The 90s that I and many forum users had to go through made people more tenacious and resistant to the infection of the Western way of thinking.

      The main achievement of the liberals is to slowly remove the article for sodomy from the Criminal Code.
  6. +20
    17 February 2016 19: 52
    No one can understand Stalin ... We just use his work for now (we eat up what was created during the Soviet era) Putin is trying to create something, but it is very difficult to achieve the level of that time (industrial growth and, most importantly, enthusiasm for mastering new ... "We can and we will succeed ..!" The first man in space, etc.
    1. Alf
      +37
      17 February 2016 19: 55
      Quote: Malachite
      Nobody can understand Stalin ...

      It’s very easy to understand.
      1. +3
        17 February 2016 20: 36
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Malachite
        Nobody can understand Stalin ...

        It’s very easy to understand.

        Everything is correct, but repeat everything (industrial growth, enthusiasm of the working class). It is unlikely that ...
      2. +10
        17 February 2016 20: 44
        At the time, Tomsk Polytechnic taught scientific communism. So the teacher told us that the works of Stalin are very clear and easy to read by ordinary people, unlike the works of Lenin. But he processed a lot from the works of Lenin, only with his thoughts.
      3. +1
        17 February 2016 21: 42
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Malachite
        Nobody can understand Stalin ...

        It’s very easy to understand.

        or rather not say !!!
    2. +13
      17 February 2016 20: 04
      We just use his labor for now (we’ll finish what was created during the USSR)

      Yes, the Lord is with you, it’s not just the people who eat it, but the liberal-oligarch, but the people are divided into two parts, one at the zoo looks at what will happen next, others are trying to keep what else is being held.
    3. +5
      18 February 2016 00: 13
      while it is most obvious that Putin is trying to create only PIPES for pumping raw materials to the EU and China.

      Like millions of Russian people, I am ENZIED with this PETROL SPEAKER advertisement on TV: "Gazprom (ie PIPE) is our national treasure"!

      Why not Rusnano? why not KAMAZ? Why not high-tech machine-tool factories, the aircraft industry, high-speed domestic trains and 100% domestically assembled computers based on a 100% domestic operating system and software ?!
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  7. +15
    17 February 2016 19: 53
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?
    yet simple: chubaysyaku and Co. on gilyaku
    1. +1
      18 February 2016 05: 20
      Quote: Elektrik
      yet simple: chubaysyaku and Co. on gilyaku

      To the electrostool?
  8. +5
    17 February 2016 19: 53
    It was he who returned the honor and dignity to the slandered names of Alexander Nevsky and Pushkin, Suvorov and Ushakov.

    Here it is. This is when, interestingly, they managed to slander them, under Lenin or even earlier, under the Romanovs?
    1. +8
      17 February 2016 20: 08
      Quote: Nikolai K
      Here it is. This is when, interestingly, they managed to slander them, under Lenin or even earlier, under the Romanovs?

      In the first years after the October Revolution, in the "merciless struggle against the hated past", the monuments of the past were destroyed, not only to the tsars, the revolutionary poets called to "throw Pushkin overboard of history" past ", one to one. A little Russian together with the letter" Yat "was not thrown into the dustbin of history.
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      2. 0
        17 February 2016 22: 40
        That is, under Lenin? And where, then, is Stalin’s condemnation of the Leninist excesses?
        1. +5
          18 February 2016 09: 11
          Quote: Nikolai K
          That is, under Lenin? And where, then, is Stalin’s condemnation of the Leninist excesses?

          And what has to do with the condemnation of Lenin's excesses? The excesses were not Lenin's. You just need to delve a little into the spirit of that time. Regarding the topic of commentary-literature, poetry. Well, imagine the Council of Workers, Solo and Crimean Deputies was formed in the city, headed by the correct Baltic little brother in a pea jacket and machine-gun belts, the whole fire of the revolution is ablaze. Well, and for the culture in the city some pimply schoolboy, unrecognized urban genius of poetry, is responsible for the culture, but he says the correct phrases about freedom, equality and brotherhood. So this is this schoolboy, and not VI Lenin, and shouted "perish, perish, Russia unwashed" (c) and urged to throw Pushkin overboard history, and the sailor, that he had counter-revolution, sabotage, hunger, he had no time for poetry, the main thing is the phrases are correct, therefore " burn it, brother, further. "And this little brother ate, the belly appeared, and most importantly his phrases are still correct, revolutionary, and the ideology is harmful. That's when the country calmed down after the civil one, and he was already sitting in the provincial span and that's it leads its own line, that's tog Yes, they began to tidy up where necessary. The same D. Bedny was blown away after 1934 with his propaganda. And it seems, too, was all so revolutionary. So there were no Leninist excesses, and there were narrow-minded people on the wave of revolution who fell into power. By the way, JV Stalin himself condemned precisely the excesses in the formation of collective farms, remember this article "Dizziness with success", but he condemned his mistakes, or rather the mistakes of the current government, but he never condemned his predecessor VI Lenin. And now for some reason demand that Vladimir Putin condemn Yeltsin's mistakes. Demands are apparently not familiar with history.
  9. Alf
    +9
    17 February 2016 19: 57
    Quote: Malachite
    but it is very difficult to reach the level of that time

    Reaching the level of that time is also quite simple, it is enough to have for this WILL.
    1. -10
      17 February 2016 20: 17
      Maybe you mean patriotism? Would you go bam now to build for free?
      1. +13
        17 February 2016 20: 34
        Maybe you mean patriotism? Would you go bam now to build for free?

        People from Bam came with wallets with medals and awards, but there were criminals, but we are not naive fools to think that everyone was innocent. Crime was worse than in the 90s, although they shot left and right.
        Stalin in kirsa came to the Kremlin from him in her and left At least one of the current name with such ambitions for salary.
      2. +4
        18 February 2016 05: 08
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Would you go bam now to build for free?

        Grew up during the construction period Bama paid very well, many of my relatives built it (I’m talking about the Buryat section of BAM) received car apartments on coupons, etc. The supply was OK, there were no prisoners and military builders your Petersburgers built the beautiful city of Severobaykalsk (Leningrad project)
    2. -3
      17 February 2016 20: 46
      Whose will? If Putin, the oligarchs and his party, then it is useless. And the will of the people was killed long ago after 1991.
  10. +13
    17 February 2016 19: 59
    In any case, Stalin did not steal, which is a rarity for Russia.
  11. +12
    17 February 2016 20: 00
    Well, it’s not only Lenin who needs to be opposed to Stalin, each at one time did a great job.
    1. -11
      17 February 2016 21: 23
      Lenin against Stalin-Pygmy. Impossible to compare.
  12. +17
    17 February 2016 20: 02
    The ruling elite never reanimates even a small part of the state structure of Stalin's time, "right now, not 38 years", who will sign his own death sentence? Justice in our country ended as soon as capitalism began, and wild capitalism in its most ugly forms.
  13. +12
    17 February 2016 20: 06
    Quote: Nikolai K
    It was he who returned the honor and dignity to the slandered names of Alexander Nevsky and Pushkin, Suvorov and Ushakov.

    Here it is. This is when, interestingly, they managed to slander them, under Lenin or even earlier, under the Romanovs?

    they decided to come in from a different angle, we can’t completely discredit the names of Stalin and Lenin in our minds, now we decided to play on --- it turns out that Lenin and Stalin were doing things exactly opposite, just to sow doubt!
    And is it to them, today's worthless, to judge those great?
  14. +24
    17 February 2016 20: 06
    There is an expression about Stalin that he accepted the country with a plow, but left it with an atomic bomb. Probably it says everything. My grandfather sat under Stalin for 3 years (a neighbor reported), and when Stalin died, my grandfather cried from grief. What can I say? There were great times, great accomplishments.
    Vaughn PetraI- "demon king" was called, and the country was brought to the European level .. also an ambiguous figure.
    1. +10
      17 February 2016 20: 13
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      My grandfather sat under 3 of the year under Stalin

      Mine also sat after being released from captivity. Passed verification and was released. Dad in 1948. born.
      1. +9
        17 February 2016 20: 21
        No, mine was arrested before the war. He was in charge of the hardware store. He quarreled with a neighbor, but he wrote where he should. In Ukraine, it was all. And so my grandfather went through the whole war. In Czechoslovakia he graduated from injury.
        1. +3
          17 February 2016 20: 29
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          In Ukraine, it was all

          Tulchin, Vinnytsia region hi
          1. +1
            17 February 2016 20: 35
            I have somewhere in Transcarpathia ... hi
            1. +3
              17 February 2016 20: 42
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              I have somewhere in Transcarpathia ...

              And I kind of wrote to banderlog laughing Would they hear my pronunciation of "western" wassat
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  15. +6
    17 February 2016 20: 09
    A. Akhmatova

    * * *
    ... and the leader with eagle eyes
    I saw from the height of the Kremlin,
    How magnificent it is flooded with rays
    Transformed Earth.

    And from the very middle of the century,
    Whose name he gave
    He sees the heart of man
    What became bright, like a crystal.

    His labors, his deeds
    He sees ripe fruits,
    Masses of stately buildings
    Bridges, factories and gardens.

    He breathed his spirit into this city,
    He averted trouble from us, -
    That's why it's so hard and young
    Moscow is an undeniable spirit.

    And grateful people
    The leader hears a voice:
    "We came
    To say - where is Stalin, there is freedom,
    Peace and greatness of the earth. "
    1. -18
      17 February 2016 20: 26
      And here is the other side of the coin:

      Comrade Stalin - You are a great scientist,

      Linguists who know a lot,

      I'm a simple Sovetsky prisoner

      And my friend is a gray Bryansk Wolf
      1. +4
        17 February 2016 21: 22
        The previous poem is full of meaning and content. Your passage is "yakony", a mistake in the second line and emptiness. It's just not appropriate and that's it.
        1. +1
          17 February 2016 21: 48
          Well, why is it inappropriate? every business has two sides. Yin and Yang - as the basis of philosophy. There is nothing shameful about knowing your story. And knowledge of its dark sides does not detract from its greatness.
          Or do you think the story is done in white gloves?
          1. +1
            19 February 2016 18: 04
            Thanks a lot, everyone. I posted a poem by Anna Akhmatova for illustration. I think that it is written from the bottom of my heart, not a conjunctural moment .... Judge for yourself, decide for yourself ....
        2. 0
          19 February 2016 19: 01
          This is not a mistake ... as the author wrote)))
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      2. +6
        17 February 2016 22: 37
        The chance of being imprisoned under Stalin in 37 was lower than in today's Russia. At the beginning of 1938, there were 996367 prisoners in the country. Today there are about 900 thousand people "sitting". But the population of the USSR was 170 million people, while today's Russia is only 142 million.
  16. +9
    17 February 2016 20: 12
    I think that Stalin will be studied for a long time. And not the fact that our children will already be able to realize what happened under his guidance. Great to see from far. And We did not see everything, although we saw much of what we lost.
  17. +15
    17 February 2016 20: 13
    And the main thing is that they convince that the population of Russia is lazy, drunk, they don’t want to work, familiar businessmen with foam at the mouth prove that they pay higher than the roof and there’s no one to work, but if you ask, you’ll pay for 3-4 months and this amount is voiced to everyone
  18. +19
    17 February 2016 20: 13
    My attitude to Stalin is twofold. On the one hand, our family history, when our father was expelled from the party and demoted in fact because taking part in the creation of the Soviet airborne fleet, he studied American and English military magazines, soldered to him bowed to the West (in fact, someone wanted to take the admiral’s position) - sounds wild today. It was not Stalin who was responsible for this, but individual careerists, but the atmosphere of denunciation was created under Stalin. But the grandeur of his deeds stands out from the background of our subsequent leaders. Starting from corn maize to the ever-drunk Yeltsin. Putin should be put on a special note because his story is not over yet. While his reign reminds me of the reign of Emperor Alexander II. Both of them went down in history. Like Alexander, who did the great work of liberating the peasants, Putin went down in history, doing the great thing of reuniting with Crimea, strengthening the people's faith in justice, but like Alexander, he otherwise took a half-hearted position in internal affairs, preserving a semi-colonial economy. I sincerely wish him to finish his reign with dignity and not to find the fate of Alexander.
    1. 0
      17 February 2016 22: 45
      This is you about the great cause of the liberation of the peasants, after which the expression appeared: "Here's your grandmother and St. George's Day" I think you don't need to explain what it means. Nothing changes with us, they want the best, but it turns out as always.
      1. +5
        18 February 2016 09: 02
        We were taught at school that the expression "Here's your grandmother and ..." appeared much earlier in the seventeenth century, when the peasants were already enslaved, but they could leave the landowner on St. George's Day, and then they were forbidden to leave the landowners on the only day of the celebration of this saint , I don't know how to call it correctly, because Yuri is a non-church name - distorted George.
        1. +1
          18 February 2016 09: 36
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          We were taught at school that the expression "Here's your grandmother and ..." appeared much earlier in the seventeenth century, when the peasants were already enslaved, but they could leave the landowner on St. George's Day, and then they were forbidden to leave the landowners on the only day of the celebration of this saint , I don't know how to call it correctly, because Yuri is a non-church name - distorted George.

          Exactly good I can’t say for sure (I’m too lazy to search), but it was not with Godunov, or Aleksey Mikhailovich Tishaysh, most likely with the latter. This day was October 30, after the end of all agricultural work, the peasants had the right to transfer from one landowner to to another, and then they were constantly fixed on the ground, and Yuryev canceled the day-day transition.
  19. -12
    17 February 2016 20: 18
    But first, both Putin and all of us need to clearly distinguish between the stages

    Slish Putin, berry green folder, come on.
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  21. +12
    17 February 2016 20: 24
    Anyone can kick a dead lion! But not everyone is given the opportunity to try to be a lion himself. ..
  22. +2
    17 February 2016 20: 24
    .....why patriarchs Sergius and Alexy ..... and hundreds more, if not thousands of ascetics praised and honored his name.
    Here the author greatly exaggerates, this did not happen, and could not be. There was respect for the authorities, albeit godless, for Stalin, as the head of state. Not more than that.
    1. +13
      17 February 2016 21: 26
      Quote: bober1982
      .....why patriarchs Sergius and Alexy ..... and hundreds more, if not thousands of ascetics praised and honored his name.
      Here the author greatly exaggerates, this did not happen, and could not be. There was respect for the authorities, albeit godless, for Stalin, as the head of state. Not more than that.


      March 9
      Memorial service according to I.V. Stalin in the Patriarch Epiphany Cathedral.
      Speech by Patriarch Alexy before the funeral service:

      “The Great Leader of our people, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, was gone.
      Great, moral, social power was abolished; a force in which the people felt their own power, which he guided in his creative works and enterprises, which he consoled for many years.
      There is no region where the deep gaze of the great Leader does not penetrate.
      People of science were amazed at his deep scientific knowledge in the most diverse fields, his brilliant scientific generalizations; war - his military genius; people of all kinds of labor invariably received powerful support and valuable instructions from him.
      As a man of genius, in every business he discovered what was invisible and inaccessible to the ordinary mind.
      About his intense cares and exploits during the Great Patriotic War, about his brilliant leadership of military operations, which gave us victory over a powerful enemy and in general over fascism; about his many vast daily work on management, on the management of public affairs - extensively and
      convincingly spoke in the press and, especially, at the last farewell today, on the day of his funeral, his closest co-workers.

      His name, as a champion of world peace, and his glorious deeds will live forever.
      We, having gathered to pray for him, cannot pass by the silence of his always benevolent, compassionate attitude to our church needs. Not a single question that we addressed to him was rejected by him; he satisfied all our requests. And a lot of good and useful, thanks to its high authority, has been done for our Church by our Government.

      His memory is unforgettable for us, and our Russian Orthodox Church, mourning his departure from us, sees him off on his last journey, "on the path of all the earth," with fervent prayer.

      In these sad days for us from all sides of our Fatherland from bishops, clergy and believers and from abroad from the Heads and representatives of the Church, as well as from the heterodox, I receive many telegrams in which prayers for him are reported and condolences are expressed to us on occasion this sad loss for us.
      We prayed for him when the news came of his serious illness. And now that he is gone, we pray for the peace of his immortal soul.
      Yesterday, our special delegation of:
      His Eminence Metropolitan Nicholas; representative of the Episcopate, clergy and believers of Siberia, Archbishop of Palladium; the representative of the Episcopate, clergy and believers of Ukraine, Archbishop Nikon and Protopresbyter Father Nikolai, laid a wreath at his tomb and bowed to his dear ashes on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church.
      Prayer, full of Christian love, comes to God. We believe that our prayer for the deceased will be heard by the Lord.
      And to our beloved and unforgettable Joseph Vissarionovich, we prayerfully, with deep, ardent love, proclaim eternal memory ”
      ZhMP, 1953, N 4, p. 3-4
      1. +4
        17 February 2016 22: 19
        This is respect, praise and honor the other.
        Patriarch Tikhon was reproached (to put it mildly) for supporting the Bolshevik government, at the most difficult moment for the Church, when atrocities against it were beyond limits. But he kept the Church.
      2. +1
        18 February 2016 00: 27
        PEOPLE DO NOT DECEIVE

        so sincerely Russian people will not cry about any of the liberal pygmies who have ruled Russia since 1991!

        "The heart is bleeding -

        our beloved, dear!

        bending over the head

        Motherland is crying over you! "

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      4. +1
        18 February 2016 07: 35
        Hello! But as we have a church holiday, so next to V.V. Putin at the service of blasphemers I.V. Stalin, at least the fence is in order. so i think
    2. +3
      18 February 2016 09: 47
      Quote: bober1982
      ..... why the patriarchs Sergius and Alexy ..... and hundreds more, if not thousands of ascetics, praised and honored his name.
      Here the author greatly exaggerates, this did not happen, and could not be. There was respect for the authorities, albeit godless, for Stalin, as the head of state. Not more than that.

      "Priest Dmitry Dudko (who spent many years in Stalin's camps):
      “… If you look at Stalin from a divine point of view, then this, in fact, was a special person, given by God, kept by God, even his opponents write about this,” Fr Dmitry reflects. - If Trotsky won with his permanent revolution ... we would all be a labor army for the dark forces. But it was Stalin who practically proved that socialism can be built in one country and preserved Russia ... Therefore, as an Orthodox Christian and a Russian patriot, I bow low to Stalin. "(C) from the book" Stalin and the Church ". The author-compiler P. Pobedonostsev, it contains opinions about Stalin of various people, including the canonized by the Orthodox Church of St. Luke, Archbishop of Crimea, Patriarchs of Moscow and All Russia Sergius and Alexy I.
      1. 0
        18 February 2016 21: 30
        This is just the private opinion of Father Dmitry, who can be called an eternal "dissident" (with all due respect to him), and who was imprisoned not only in Stalin's camps, but also in Brezhnev's isolation wards, and who even managed to be a church "dissident".
        To understand the attitude of the Orthodox Church towards power, read the 13th chapter of the Epistle to the Romans of St. Apostle Paul, unless of course there is a desire (I do not impose), not to quote it here.
  23. +8
    17 February 2016 20: 30
    trumpets trumpeted
    rapid jack
    Like a scalpel, Stalin burned out

    God forbid to find the saving hand of Stalin, reaching for him from the great era of victories and accomplishments in the mournful hour experienced by Russia!
    I cannot but pay attention to the first two quotes. After all, you are writing about "Stalin's saving hand". Try to do without the trumpeting timpani and burning scalpels. In a very important article, for the first time raising the question of Stalin's rehabilitation and the need to use the achievements of the USSR in building the national economy ... I stumbled over the "national economy". What to do with capitalism? Neshto Abramovich and others like him will give up everything they got back?
    1. PKK
      +3
      17 February 2016 21: 49
      If you remove the oligarchs, thieves, and loafers in capitalism, you get socialism. This is what Stalin did, adding strict centralization and personal responsibility for the task entrusted.
      1. +2
        18 February 2016 07: 25
        The main personal responsibility (personal) is not the same as in KHAKASIA, after the April fires, the money allocated to the victims of the fire was plundered, in the most insolent way, there are no guilty persons in the administration. That's the trouble, no one is responsible for anything, they continue to invest in their pockets, either through inflated salaries and positions, or by veiled participation in business, hiding behind the fact that he is not a trader, but his wife, relatives, etc. That’s scary for the system of RUSSIA. read http://www.19rus.info/ so I think
  24. +1
    17 February 2016 20: 37
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    The author keeps his nose to the wind. Putin scolded Lenin and he branded. If Putin scolds Stalin, then he will find something to stigmatize. This is what he wanted to say. As Nathan said when he came home, having fused a half-dead cow to Schweik's comrades: "Elsa, my life, the soldiers are stupid, and Nathan is your
    wise!"
    1. +7
      17 February 2016 22: 15
      Quote: Stinger
      The author holds his nose in the wind. Putin scolded Lenin and he branded. If Putin scolds Stalin, then he will find something to brand.

      And how did the author forget that the Darkest One unambiguously called the Stalinist regime "ugly"?
  25. +14
    17 February 2016 20: 39
    Near Stalin there was an abyss of statesmen, real heroes of labor and war, designers, diplomats, scientists, just wonderful hard workers, cultural figures .... there was also a certain scum of scoundrels and crooks.
    Of the current government, only desperate guys in unloading deserve kind words ... everything else is infantile emptiness and thieves.
  26. -6
    17 February 2016 20: 43

    when you say the impression is that you are raving
  27. 0
    17 February 2016 20: 46
    Stalin cannot be considered separately from time and cannot be shoved in our time. Stalin is a pseudonym and no one writes what kind of person he really was — moreover, from different sides, neither religious nor psychic nor philosophical, etc. But in Soviet times, they could imagine that the Georgian president will head the Odessa region. Although, in principle, this went back with Shevarnadze, and if you still drip, this resentment may have gone back since the days of the Caucasian war. You see this historical web, someone constantly pulls.
  28. +1
    17 February 2016 20: 49
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    These are the "koshaks" raised by "educational reformers" who do not remember their kind and tribe - the main threat to Russia.
  29. +2
    17 February 2016 20: 50
    Stalin is an integral part of the history of Russia, that part of it, which can be called a turning point, in which it was decided whether we could survive or disappear from the face of the earth, and without the presence of the Will of this person, the history of the country by now would have ended ... In too I personally would not begin to somehow unequivocally evaluate that era, because in the energy-information field of the Universe there is no bad and good, harmful and useful, and therefore it is necessary to look at all political and state processes very objectively and completely without human emotions. Often in the name of global goals necessary for peoples and states, one has to sacrifice human lives and material resources.
  30. DPN
    +4
    17 February 2016 20: 53
    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    but as Putin correctly said, it was a time bomb that worked in 1991.

    Putin had to say something, so he said. and the bomber turned out to be offended by the CPSU drunk Yeltsin, who managed to deceive the PEOPLE.
  31. +2
    17 February 2016 20: 56
    Other more significant, fundamental factors are accumulating that are prompting both our society as a whole and the country's president, in particular, to turn more and more to the experience of building the red empire and there to look for clues and answers to the urgent questions of today's Russia.


    Well said.
    It’s not necessary to find fault with your story, but to learn from it! And there is something!
  32. +9
    17 February 2016 20: 58
    Quote: kuz363
    Shut up, stupid! You don't need to read Voennoe Obozreniye and other complicated things. Your level is Murzilka children's magazine.
    L
    Let’s insult your level drop suspiciously hi
  33. +11
    17 February 2016 21: 01
    Quote: kuz363
    Or maybe Russia should first understand its national structure? This is also a kind of bomb. And then think about the arrangement of the USSR.

    Understand, but those who do not remember their history will not be able to build their future! Even in the course on the History of the CPSU, it was said about the struggle of 2 points of view on the structure of the state: 1- Leninist (republics with the right to self-determination and the possibility of exit, respectively); 2- Stalinist (federal structure). The Leninist party won, as it gained the largest number of supporters. We all see the result. So Stalin really calculated all the possible consequences of the decision-making, while the Leninists and Trotskyists "beautifully criticized" Stalin's line, having no idea what their "beauty" of loud and populist slogans would backfire on the country! Thanks to a tough struggle against these internal party currents, Stalin succeeded in making a backward post-revolutionary country an advanced power! And the current liberals in 25 years cannot do even one-tenth of what Stalin did, and this despite the powerful scientific backlog they inherited from the USSR. hi
    1. +6
      17 February 2016 21: 22
      Comparing the Leninist and Stalinist model of the formation of the Soviet state, one should take into account the specific political situation in the republics, which at that time had been independent states for 5 years. In particular, even then in Georgia they agreed to enter the ZSFSR and from there to the USSR only on condition that the republics were equal in the USSR (Mdivani!). Therefore, the Stalinist model, with all its attractiveness, even then, IMHO was utopian. Even the creation of the USSR according to the Leninist model entailed several national uprisings (especially in Georgia), if the Stalinist model prevailed, nationalist uprisings would take place more powerfully. Therefore, Lenin put forward his model from the situation. that politics is the art of the possible.
  34. +1
    17 February 2016 21: 06
    On the expanses of the wonderful Motherland,
    Tempering in battles and labor,
    We made a joyful song
    About a great friend and leader!

    Stalin is our military glory
    Stalin - the flight of our youth.
    With songs, fighting and winning
    Our people are coming for Stalin!

    The sunniest and brightest land
    All Soviet land has become
    Stalin's bountiful harvest
    Collective farm fields are expanding!

    Chorus.

    More beautiful dawn of spring dawn
    Youth's happy time.
    Stalin's smile warmed
    Our kids are happy!

    Chorus.

    We are given sparkling wings
    Great courage is given to us.
    Songs of love and plenty
    Soviet country is famous!

    Stalin is our military glory
    Stalin - the flight of our youth.
    With songs, fighting and winning
    Our people are coming for Stalin!

    1. +5
      17 February 2016 21: 18
      Eh ... I once had a book of 1951 ... It was called - "The Great Stalin". Binding - high relief, paper - coated, On the first pages - hand-made portraits of Lenin and Stalin, covered with tissue paper. So there - panegyrics to Grandfather in poetry, plays, stories, stories, essays and so on. Mikhalkov Sr. was not the last there, which is not surprising ...

      It’s a pity, the wife gave some Prokhfessor when she defended the candidate ...
  35. +11
    17 February 2016 21: 08
    Eh, well, to what extent they like to insert some abstruse reasoning from time to time.
    Metaphysics of Stalin ....
    esoteric Beria .... Mikoyan’s occultism .... Khrushchev’s hacking ... Gorbachev’s idiotism.
    Because we come up with a biting, non-binding name, it will become clearer whether, where, and why the Soviet power went, escaping into space.
    ...
    People were inspired by the gigantic IDEA - to do something that had no analogues.
    And those who were not inspired - ... how to say something ... well, who was in the army knows - "if you can't - we will teach, if you don't want to, we will force you" - and here.
    Every mold sat in the back streets and looked around with a gasp .. and ugto see ugto. And will report ...
    And those who could solve something were checked in real work - promised, did ... didn’t - goodbye ... in Kolyma with ICE. (So, like a trust was called).
    All sorts of bodies ... punitive ... then they punished, then they destroyed themselves ...
    ...
    Even this shpien, the traitor Suvorov, and then in his dilogy about the Firebird, shows such an organization of labor under Stalin that Ford did not even dream of.
    ...
    All these, of course, are words.
    But the fact was that by lowering the PRICE of essential goods, the Stalinist economy solved how many tasks - reducing costs, respectively, increasing productivity, inspiring people (although there wasn’t much why) ... there are other aspects.
    But the main thing is caring for people!
    Realistically or propagandists, no matter already. The main thing is the people BELIEVED.
    ...
    And not universal disbelief and despondency, as it is now. Since February 15, the price increase in public transport. Granny's high, right?
    1. +1
      17 February 2016 22: 41
      The centuries-old our Leader and Teacher I.V. Stalin SO took care of the welfare of a simple working man like no Russian Tsar before him and no General Secretary and President after him:

      In 1946, the salary of workers and engineers and technical workers working at enterprises and construction sites in the Urals, Siberia and the Far East increased by 20%. In the same year, official salaries of people with higher and secondary specialized education (engineering, science, education and medicine) increase by 20%. The importance of academic degrees and titles is rising. The salary of a professor, doctor of sciences increases from 1600 to 5000 rubles, associate professor, candidate of sciences - from 1200 to 3200 rubles, university rector from 2500 to 8000 rubles. At research institutes, the scientific degree of a candidate of sciences began to add 1000 rubles to the official salary, and doctors of sciences - 2500 rubles. At the same time, the salary of the union minister was 5000 rubles, and the secretary of the party district committee was 1500 rubles. Stalin, as Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, had a salary of 10 thousand rubles. Scientists in the USSR at that time also had additional incomes, sometimes several times higher than their salaries. Therefore, they were the richest and at the same time the most respected part of Soviet society.

    2. +3
      18 February 2016 07: 16
      Hello! I had to delve into the ideology of the Anglo-Saxons, so as not to say much, I will only give an excerpt from the so-called plan: Original text:
      http://www.sakva.ru/Nick/NSC_20_1.html
      ".. THE PROBLEM OF" DECOMMUNIZATION "
      In any territory liberated from the Soviet government, we will encounter the human remains of the Soviet power apparatus.
      It is likely that in the event of an orderly withdrawal of troops from present Soviet territory, the local apparatus of the Communist Party will go underground, as it did in the areas captured by the Germans during the last war. Then he again emerges in the form of partisan groups and detachments. At this stage, the problem of handling it will be relatively simple; we only need to provide the necessary weapons and military support to any non-communist government that is able to control the area, and allow this government to handle communist gangs in accordance with the traditional methods of the Russian civil war.
      A more difficult problem will be ordinary members of the Communist Party or the state apparatus, who will be exposed and arrested, or surrender to the mercy of our forces or any Russian authorities that exist on the territory.
      Here again, we must avoid taking responsibility for deciding the fate of these people or for issuing direct orders to local authorities on this matter. We must have the right to insist on their disarmament and their exclusion from leadership positions in government until they provide clear evidence of a sincere revision of their views. Basically, however, this should remain a problem for any Russian government that has replaced the communist regime. We can be confident that such a government will be more capable than we are of judging the danger these ex-communists pose to the new regime and treating them in such a way as to prevent possible harm from them in the future. Our main concern is to ensure that no communist regime like the current one is re-established in the territories that we have already liberated and which we have decided should remain free from communist control. Beyond that, we must be very careful not to get caught up in the problem of “decommunization.” What else can be said and added? This policy of the Americans is now being partially implemented, as in the Khakasia, after the April fires, money was stolen and, most importantly, there is no culprit in the leadership of the republic, as well as a petty bribe taker with the formation of a fur technical school. Horror!. so i think
  36. +11
    17 February 2016 21: 10
    Yes, Stalin is a figure who, in 100 years, will continue to comprehend ...
    1. +3
      17 February 2016 21: 53
      Quote: red_october
      Yes, Stalin is a figure who, in 100 years, will continue to comprehend ...

      and be afraid ...
      to be afraid in their imagination-created images, and to white knee fight in hysteria at the mere mention of the name Stalin ...!
      1. -7
        17 February 2016 22: 00
        Quote: SpnSr
        and be afraid ...
        to be afraid in their imagination-created images, and to white knee fight in hysteria at the mere mention of the name Stalin ...!
        1. 0
          18 February 2016 01: 51
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: SpnSr
          and be afraid ...
          to be afraid in their imagination-created images, and to white knee fight in hysteria at the mere mention of the name Stalin ...!

          cheap irony laughing
          and then what is still terrified?

          this frame from the movie with koment, cheap twist thoughts !!!
          1. -1
            18 February 2016 09: 19
            Quote: SpnSr
            and then what is still terrified?

            Who is terrified? Who does Stalin inspire fear today? You sheep need a shepherd, then bring down in the DPRK!
            1. +1
              18 February 2016 09: 26
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: SpnSr
              and then what is still terrified?

              Who is terrified? Who does Stalin inspire fear today? You sheep need a shepherd, then bring down in the DPRK!

              oops, the fifth column of one person! what do you react like that? the psychologist will not help you laughing
              but in general, what do you mean by your own words?
              and through the web is it easy to throw different words that are not customary to speak in the presence of society?
              and what does the DPRK have to do with it?
              and if you look at you through the prism of history, you need a shepherd so that you do not spoil the air of others !!!
              but how terrifying you are the fact that someone pays tribute to Stalin! laughing
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    2. +3
      17 February 2016 22: 04
      No comments

  37. +4
    17 February 2016 21: 11
    If you meet us at home
    Some old friends
    All that is dear to us,
    The song sounds more fun.

    Come on, comrades, let’s see the feast
    Higher glasses of wine
    Let’s drink our free homeland,
    Let's drink and pour it again.

    Let's drink seething for the Russian daring
    For the heroic people!
    Let’s drink for our mighty army,
    Let's drink to the valiant fleet!

    Stand up, comrades, drink to the guard
    She has no equal courage.
    Our toast to Stalin! Our toast to the Party!
    Our toast to the banner of victory!

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  39. +1
    17 February 2016 21: 12
    I don’t remember who these words belong to, but I’m ready to subscribe to each of them: "Put an equal sign between the words" Stalin "and" Emperor "- and everything will immediately become clear to you, because there was no Emperor in the History who, during the construction of the Empire, pity, cares for and does not live on his subjects".
    Peter the First was a paw? How many captured Swedes are there from the foundation of St. Petersburg? I met the figure of 70 thousand. And what about ordinary Russian men? Who considered them then ... However - Peter the Great. Even Pushkin "saw the light" in relation to him in his "Bronze Horseman" ...
  40. 0
    17 February 2016 21: 15
    The author praises too much. Stalin really did a lot for the country, and created a powerful state militarily and economically, but at the same time some mistakes and excesses were made.
  41. +4
    17 February 2016 21: 18
    Over the past 25 years of Russia’s rule by the damned liberals, the Russian people have seen nothing but poverty, unemployment, AIDS, extreme alcoholism, the destruction of industry, the export of all raw materials and money to the border, and depopulation (degeneration) from them.

    The filthy liberals tell us the Russian people that we have allegedly "gained freedom" since 1991. What other freedom ??? Only freedom for thieves and crooks! Over the past 25 years, you can freely and completely with impunity, even it is HONORABLE to do only one thing - to steal from the state treasury and the state budget and rob the Russian people, exporting all the capital abroad, to the West.

    For the past 25 years, Russia has been a miserable GASOLINE, a despicable raw materials appendage of the world's industrial giants - the EU, China and the USA!

    87% of all Russian exports are RAW - oil, gas, timber and metals!

    The Great and Blessed in the centuries, the most successful Leader of Russia in its entire 1000 - year history, I. V. Stalin said: "TO TRADE IN RESOURCES IS TO TRADE IN THE HOMELAND!" the pitiful and insignificant place of the raw materials appendage of the West and China in the world economy, which Gaidar's last-borns - American hirelings - assigned to him!

    RUSSIA AS AIR TODAY THE STALIN REINDUSTRIALIZATION POLICY IS REQUIRED, THE STALIN INDUSTRIAL TAKEOFF ECONOMY, THE STALIN SOBBILITY AND DISCIPLINE, THE STALIN MASS TRAINING CULT

    Today in Russia, the industrial policy of the Government of the Russian Federation and its core — the domestic machine-tool industry — are completely absent as such!

    http://finobzor.ru/show-3728-stanki-stanki-stanki.html

    Stalin’s financial policy consisted precisely in pumping up the population with the money supply by raising salaries annually, thereby stimulating demand for manufactured goods, which means industrial growth!



    And today, the financial policy of the liberal government of V.V. Putin consists precisely in strangling industry at the exorbitant rate of refinancing of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, limiting wages, that is, the complete opposite of Stalin's policy!
    1. -2
      17 February 2016 21: 34
      Quote: Alexx Kruglov
      except poverty, unemployment, AIDS, transcendental alcoholism, the destruction of industry, the export of all raw materials and money to the border, depopulation (degeneration), I did not see anything from them.

      That is, there was no and no alcoholism in the AIDS Union?
      1. 0
        17 February 2016 21: 51
        Under Stalin, alcohol consumption was more than 2 times less (a maximum of 1,9 liters per day of pure alcohol per year - 1952) than in tsarist Russia in 1914 - 4,7 liters. and more than 10 times less than now (20-25 liters). Russia is the leader in child alcoholism.

        In general, before the dear L. I. Brezhnev, Russia and the USSR were historically a sober nation:



        During the years of Leonid Brezhnev’s leadership of the country (1964 - 1982) with his “culture of moderate drunkenness”, the total alcohol production in the USSR increased by 700% (!), Every fifth citizen of the USSR became an alcoholic, crime increased sharply (murders - by 65% , robberies and robberies - by 75%, accidents - by 40%) and the number of freak children with severe malformations from parents - alcoholics, labor productivity has fallen.
        The state budget received 1 ru6 from the persecution of people with deadly narcotic poison - alcohol, and 3 ruble from the increase in accident rate and morbidity, mortality, drop in fertility and labor productivity. The volume of alcohol consumption by 6 sharply increased to 1980 (!) Liters of pure alcohol per person per year. As a result, the USSR economy fell into a coma, labor discipline collapsed, economic growth slid to zero!

        BUT! Putin went much further Brezhnev in soldering the Russian people:

        Putin’s friends JEWS Rotenbergs owning 11 alcohol plants in the Russian Federation kill the Russian people with a potent drug (clause 5.1 of GOST 18300 - 72) - with alcohol:

        http://www.newsru.com/finance/20apr2009/rotenberg.html

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrJR0JH0PP8

        Putin allowed the Government of the Russian Federation to drink our young people right at the stadiums with beer - it’s hard to imagine more cynicism!

        http://lenta.ru/news/2015/12/25/beerstadiumsputin/

        And in the past 15 years, you have seen THIS many times on Red Square?

    2. -1
      17 February 2016 21: 53
      It makes no sense to compare the economies of the USSR and present-day Russia — two different things — one planned and the other market.
      1. +4
        17 February 2016 22: 14
        Not at all - Stalin, unlike his fools, the heirs of Khrushchev and Brezhnev, did not bring the state sector leading in the economy to complete dictatorship and absurdity, with it cheap state products and expensive private (cooperative) products were combined. The people could choose:

        At the time of the death of Joseph Vissarionovich, there were 114 (one hundred and fourteen thousand!) Workshops and enterprises in the USSR in a wide variety of areas - from the food industry to metal processing and from jewelry to the chemical industry. About two million people worked for them, who produced almost 000% of the gross industrial output of the USSR, with artels and industrial cooperatives producing 6% of furniture, 40% of metal utensils, more than a third of all knitwear, almost all children's toys.

        About a hundred design bureaus, 22 experimental laboratories, and even two research institutes worked in the business sector. Moreover, within this sector, there was a private, non-state, pension system

        http://politobzor.net/show-63741-stalinskie-predprinimateli.html
        1. -1
          17 February 2016 22: 32
          At the time of the death of Joseph Vissarionovich, there were 114 (one hundred and fourteen thousand!) Workshops and enterprises in the USSR in various directions - from the food industry, to metalworking and from jewelry, to the chemical industry "- Now the same enterprises in Russia, from the smallest to the largest, in various spheres, more than 000. And the business sector in the USSR was illegal.
          1. +2
            17 February 2016 22: 52
            the private sector became illegal under the idiots of Khrushchev and Brezhnev, who brought the communist ideology of denial of private property to absurdity, when in 1956 they dispersed the above-mentioned consumer cooperation and artels, and in the 70s and 80s they planted blackjackers just because they sewed jeans in hiding, who refused to produce light industry of the Brezhnev USSR and for which there was a huge demand of Soviet society!
          2. +2
            17 February 2016 22: 52
            the private sector became illegal under the idiots of Khrushchev and Brezhnev, who brought the communist ideology of denial of private property to absurdity, when in 1956 they dispersed the above-mentioned consumer cooperation and artels, and in the 70s and 80s they planted blackjackers just because they sewed jeans in hiding, who refused to produce light industry of the Brezhnev USSR and for which there was a huge demand of Soviet society!
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      3. 0
        18 February 2016 09: 29
        Maybe not a market but a market?
        1. -1
          18 February 2016 10: 28
          Something I do not observe the bazaars.
          1. +4
            18 February 2016 12: 47
            The market is when the state regulates the economy (that is, fulfills its duties) with taxes, support and other instruments. And the bazaar is when personal interests prevail - the necessary firms win the tenders, the orders are given to their own, the budget money is plundered and hidden (pulled) - in short, whoever wants what and does it with the connivance of the state. Etc.
  42. +13
    17 February 2016 21: 19
    Forgive me, Putin's supporters, but he is so far from Stalin and Lenin.
    The scale of current politicians I think will be smaller.
    Therefore, it looks ridiculous when he tries to express his understanding of history.
    After the war under Stalin, for a couple of years, they built an atomic bomb and raised the country, and under Putin? We are eating oil money.
    Now you can minus, but the truth is a fact. I'm sorry.
    1. +1
      18 February 2016 14: 29
      I don’t choose times. They live and die in them ... What times, what kind of people. What kind of passionarity, such and politicians ... I would not go forward backwards
  43. +4
    17 February 2016 21: 21
    He did not allow to do with the USSR then what was done with Russia now.
    1. 0
      19 February 2016 04: 52
      Quote: SAM 5
      He did not allow to do with the USSR then what was done with Russia now.

      Stalin in the cage since 1918, Putin - since 2000. So, after 15 years, in 1933 - how much did Stalin manage to do? Compared to Putin?))
  44. -7
    17 February 2016 21: 24
    Quote: Consul-t
    Forgive me, Putin's supporters, but he is far from Stalin and Lenin

    Putin is the direct heir to the ghoul of Lenin. Under beautiful slogans, it destroys the Russian people. Place of Putin and his gang of oligarchs in the shooting hole of the Stalin NKVD. Stalin is the only bright spot on the history of Russia.
  45. +7
    17 February 2016 21: 26
    No matter how the adherents of the fake reforms resisted, today the air itself tells us about the need to return what was lost. Pioneers are always hard, but they are people, which means their victories and mistakes are worthy of respect. I already wrote that no one has the right to condemn the actions of great people, because their judge is time itself. Time has proved to us the correctness and usefulness of Stalin's ideas, his contribution to the common cause, and all talk about his personality is sly talk. We were the first to pave the way to social society, we were the first to break out to the stars in spite of gravity, and if this is not proof of former greatness, then we are outcasts and worthless to us!

    The Stalin case lives on to this day. Condemning the crooks, unacceptable everything related to the collapse and chaos, we recall the name of Stalin. Rejoicing for our science, thanks to the Great Victory and a happy childhood, we are talking about Stalin. The socialist Russia that Stalin dreamed of is our future, and we must revive this future! Thanks to the author for an interesting article.
    1. -6
      17 February 2016 21: 56
      The return of the old is pointless and no one will do it.
    2. -1
      19 February 2016 04: 47
      Quote: epsilon571
      Socialist Russia that Stalin dreamed of is our future

      But what does the current Communist Party of the Russian Federation have to do with socialism? The late Communist Party of the Soviet Union had no relation to him)). And Stalin was slandered and "debunked" as a cult of personality - the communists)).
  46. +9
    17 February 2016 21: 29
    “Putin had to say something, so he said. And the bomb turned out to be drunkard Yeltsin, offended by the CPSU, who managed to deceive the PEOPLE.” - Putin never just says anything; Yeltsin, of course, is a careerist, but not a traitor like Gorbachev, otherwise he would not have made such a New Year's gift - we have a chance to win in the foreseeable future.
  47. +3
    17 February 2016 21: 31
    Enough for us is already the liberal student of Sobchak - V.V. Putin! His 15-year tenure at the helm of the country, with his governments always crowded with liberals, showed that he was absolutely unable to build any other economy than FUEL SECURITY!



    WE NEED STALIN 2.0! Military dictator who:

    1) nationalizes the branches of the US Administration in Moscow, crediting the US state debt from the state budget of the Russian Federation (more than $ 92 billion in US government bonds to this day!) - the so-called. "Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation", etc. "TSB RF"

    2) conduct a forced reindustrialization of the Russian Federation at the Stalinist pace:
    http://forum-msk.org/stalin/9588278.html

    3) enact the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of February 28, 1950 on the gold content of the ruble:
    http://stalinism.ru/stalin-i-gosudarstvo/kak-stalin-osvobodil-rubl-ot-dollara-st
    alinskij-plan-sozdaniya-obshchego-nedollarovogo-rynka.html

    4) introduce the Stalin mortgage - a housing loan for 12 years at 1% per annum according to the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of August 25, 1946 "On raising wages and building housing for workers and engineers of enterprises and construction sites located in the Urals, in Siberia and the Far East "
    http://staleved.livejournal.com/72361.html

    5) will introduce only one punishment for a bribe or embezzlement of budget funds of more than 50 rubles and for the sale of any kind of drug weighing more than 000 grams confirmed by operational audio and video recording - DEATH PENALTY with confiscation of property

    6) the mass Stalinist CLEANERS of all authorities from liberals - all kudrins, grefs, chubais, HSE in full strength - to the restored GULAG, to the Kerch construction site of the century!
    1. +5
      17 February 2016 21: 44
      Quote: Alexx Kruglov
      Enough for us is already the liberal student of Sobchak - V.V. Putin!

      I see you right on the armored car laughing
      1. +1
        17 February 2016 21: 58
        If I had the opportunity to become an acting president of the Russian Federation by way of a military coup today before an extraordinary election, I would have no hesitation in adapting ALL of the foreign and domestic policies and economies of JV Stalin to the current situation, which only really can be adapted and would urgently appoint S. Glazyev, Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, would introduce a 5-year planning of the public sector of the Russian economy and a program of re-industrialization of the country.

        STALIN WITH US!
        1. -3
          17 February 2016 22: 14
          "If I had the opportunity to become the Acting President of the Russian Federation through a military coup today, before the early elections, I would not hesitate to adapt EVERYTHING to the current situation." one of the chambers of "Matrosskaya Tishina" - for a period of life "session".
          1. +1
            17 February 2016 22: 24
            I have no doubt at all about the talents of the liberal financial and economic bloc of the Government of the Russian Federation (Siluanova-Nabiullina-Ulyukaev, whom Putin is just listening to now) to bring the country to Maidan by the fall of 2016 in conditions of an extremely hostile international environment and a direct threat of war - liberalists have been 25 by all evidence they proved that they can only destroy and steal and never build anything.

            And since V. Putin still holds them at strategic positions of the state and agrees with their course - Maidan, a financial catastrophe by the end of 2016 and, accordingly, a military coup with a conspiracy of special services simply cannot be avoided.

            Either Putin will become Stalin or his own liberals will send him to a meeting with M. Gaddafi and N. Ceausescu.

            THIRD PARTY
            1. -5
              17 February 2016 22: 45
              If our liberals had been destroying, stealing and not building for 25 years, Russia would now not have had Crimea, Western sanctions, the army, gold and foreign exchange reserves, nuclear weapons and no economy whatsoever - it would have replaced it debt equal to the debt of the United States and our country would resemble a miserable likeness of the current Dibilo Khokhlostan.
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                1. -9
                  17 February 2016 23: 33
                  Stalin and Beria did not create nuclear weapons — other people created them — and they would have created them with or without them.
                2. -4
                  18 February 2016 14: 25
                  Comrade Stalin should not be extolled. If there had not been an October revolution, by the way, with the direct participation of Comrade Stalin, then perhaps Russia would not have needed to overcome difficulties after the devastation of the Civil War. Yes, in his place he did what he could, what he knew and what mind he had enough. But who can guarantee that any other leader who came to power in the RSFSR in his place would not have done better? Well, you could argue it might be worse, but it’s a metaphysics. In 1913, before the stupid war in which Russia got involved not very well considering the consequences, the economy was on the rise. This once again proves that wars and especially rebellions and coups do not entail the country to prosper, prosper those countries where there is a continuity of power, and where there are traditions of parliament. So the praise of Stalin is some misunderstanding of historical processes. And there are plenty of pictures in the internet
                  1. +2
                    19 February 2016 23: 54
                    Quote: Scout
                    Comrade Stalin should not be extolled. If there had not been an October revolution, by the way, with the direct participation of Comrade Stalin, then perhaps Russia would not have needed to overcome difficulties after the devastation of the Civil War. Yes, in his place he did what he could, what he knew and what mind he had enough. But who can guarantee that any other leader who came to power in the RSFSR in his place would not have done better? Well, you could argue it might be worse, but it’s a metaphysics. In 1913, before the stupid war in which Russia got involved not very well considering the consequences, the economy was on the rise. This once again proves that wars and especially rebellions and coups do not entail the country to prosper, prosper those countries where there is a continuity of power, and where there are traditions of parliament. So the praise of Stalin is some misunderstanding of historical processes. And there are plenty of pictures in the internet

                    It is precisely your misunderstanding of historical events that does not allow you to realize that Stalin was introduced by the patriotic forces of the primordially Russian people in order to prevent the destruction and plunder of the Soviet people. What he almost dealt with until they helped him die.
                    1. -1
                      20 February 2016 01: 03
                      Quote: igortyson
                      Stalin was introduced by the patriotic forces of the primordially Russian people to prevent the destruction and plunder of the Soviet people.

                      Did you understand what you wrote?
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                3. 0
                  19 February 2016 11: 58
                  Nice try, BUT.

                  The merit of Putin personally:
                  1. In the preservation and restoration of Russia.
                  2. In the unification of the BRICS countries with the clear goal of this unification.
                  3. The ability to speak without papers on the most complex and diverse topics. There is a personal opinion on any issue (this is possible either in the possession of a situation, or with a deep understanding of the basic principles of functioning of various structures, systems, etc.).
                  4. There are open dialogues with the people, an annual report on the work done and plans for the next reporting period. He feels himself a servant of the people!

                  The list goes on, but that should be enough for you. Although what you do not sit in the Netherlands, exactly, on the pope - I do not understand.

                  Change jobs - you are no agent.
                  1. 0
                    April 14 2016 20: 42
                    Quote: _Are_
                    Nice try, BUT.

                    The merit of Putin personally:
                    1. In the preservation and restoration of Russia.
                    2. In the unification of the BRICS countries with the clear goal of this unification.
                    3. The ability to speak without papers on the most complex and diverse topics. There is a personal opinion on any issue (this is possible either in the possession of a situation, or with a deep understanding of the basic principles of functioning of various structures, systems, etc.).
                    4. There are open dialogues with the people, an annual report on the work done and plans for the next reporting period. He feels himself a servant of the people!

                    The list goes on, but that should be enough for you. Although what you do not sit in the Netherlands, exactly, on the pope - I do not understand.

                    Change jobs - you are no agent.


                    the merit of my hammer is that it hits where I am sending it ...
                    the merit of the president of any country is that he does what the hand holding him orders ... and we don’t know which head this hand has and what it will wish ...
              2. -1
                17 February 2016 23: 20
                it’s just that Great Stalin knew how to build SO that the filthy Putin’s liberals Kudrin, Gref, Siluanov even exported ALL the Russian Stabilization Funds to the USA and invested the entire deadly part of the Russian state budget in US government bonds could not, due to their lack of talent, make the Great Stalin’s achievements !

                Where does the Russian nuclear weapon come from - the only attribute that allows it to at least somehow maintain the appearance of sovereignty and independence?
                - Stalin and Beria created.
                Where does Russia get the status of a permanent member of the UN Security Council?
                - The legacy of the Stalin era and its works.
                Where does the Russian Federation have an outpost in Europe - the Kaliningrad region, which allows it to rattle with nuclear weapons and take aim at all of Europe in response to the aggressive plans of the Yankees and their satellites?
                - Stalin's legacy.

                What is Putin’s merit?

                In the fact that during his 15 years he and his liberals - Kudrin, Chubaisam managed to create a PETROL COLUMN of PJSC "RF" as a raw material appendage of the EU and the PRC, while the Great Stalin in just 12 years (1928 - 1940) from an agrarian country of the tenth world created the SECOND INDUSTRIAL superpower by GDP in the world ?!

                Do not tell my slippers by comparing Titanium and pygmy!
        2. +5
          18 February 2016 06: 35
          Oddly enough, you can do without any putsch, there are elections for this. I agree that it is necessary to change the government and its chairman and the country's development path (5-year planning of the state sector of the Russian economy and the country's re-industrialization program.)
  48. -9
    17 February 2016 21: 33
    Quote: dmb91
    Putin never just says anything

    Exactly, he doesn’t say .. What can the six oligarchs say? Just what they order him. Putin is a simple talking head.
    And all these recent movements, just the trade of Russian oligarchs for the right to control the loot from the Russian people with the real masters of the world sitting in the USA.
    1. +2
      18 February 2016 06: 29
      What can he say if he has in his advisers a professorship of the Anglo-Saxon economic development of the country and innovations in education, that is, the separation of training and treatment, for rich and cooked children. Stupid, it’s impossible to think up for RUSSIA. so i think
  49. +13
    17 February 2016 21: 36
    "Stalin's metaphysics"- a purely metaphysical article. smile

    The meaning seems to be clear, but why is there mystical metaphysics. Every reasonable and sane person understands the greatness of Stalin’s personality without mysticism. Like its stiffness; sometimes cruelty. He did terrible and great things at the same time.

    Moreover, if the Brezhnev splendor of the Red Empire, its solidity, inviolability and power tuned more in a critical way; then we who survived the collapse of this Empire, survived the Amer-Russian war of 1992-1999; contemplating the fall of the military-industrial complex, the total looting of the country; resurrected bandits (whom Stalin seemed mercilessly exterminated); dirt, gloom and emptiness, Stalin is now drawn rather in a positive light.

    Stalin is Greatness and Power.
    Stalin is Victory.
    Stalin is a military and peaceful atom.
    Stalin is thousands of factories, factories and cities.
    Stalin is a daring breakthrough into space.
    Stalin is a united, united, happy society with a Goal and Future.

    We will never be ashamed of Stalin, as the Germans are ashamed of Hitler!
    1. +3
      17 February 2016 21: 59
      The Germans have something to be ashamed of, and we have something to be proud of.

      We are different nations
      1. +1
        18 February 2016 07: 04
        Quote: Alexx Kruglov
        The Germans have something to be ashamed of, and we have something to be proud of.

        We are different nations

        No. We just, over time, have become different nationalities)). Once upon a time, the current Germans were as close to us (in a relative way) as the current Ukrainians.
        And about being ashamed and proud - you are right.
    2. +2
      17 February 2016 21: 59
      The Germans have something to be ashamed of, and we have something to be proud of.

      We are different nations
    3. 0
      18 February 2016 06: 25
      I agree, only because this is a positive statement. so i think
    4. +1
      18 February 2016 06: 59
      Quote: Gormengast
      "Metaphysics of Stalin" is a purely metaphysical article.

      Quote: From the article
      ... for starters, both Putin and all of us need to clearly distinguish between the stages - LENINSKY and STALINSKY. ... they, ... are essentially diametrically opposed. If the Lenin-Trotskyist regime sought to destroy to the ground ...

      That is, let's distinguish between Lenin and Stalin, but not Lenin and Trotsky ?.
      How convenient is it to clarify the metaphysical truth!))
    5. +3
      18 February 2016 21: 56
      The correct article. Not much superficial, but true. In the name of Stalin, all the enemies immediately put their pants on. And now their unfinished descendants are pouring dirt because of their indefatigable liberal malice. Father said that when Stalin died, people really cried. Probably for good reason. So comrade Stalin forward. We will hear a lot more about you, I hope good.
  50. +4
    17 February 2016 21: 37
    In Russia, the situation is always extreme: one builds, another comes and breaks everything.
  51. 0
    17 February 2016 21: 42
    The voiced idea of ​​the guarantor was correct in essence, but poor in form... The syllable of the Leader of All Nations sounded much more convincing...
    1. +1
      17 February 2016 23: 43
      How do you like THIS thought of the “guarantor”, in which a USSR KGB major, sent to the reserve for misuse of funds from the Dresden residency and a defendant in the mayoral case of 20 Trust under Sobchak, clearly repeats the liberal LIE about “suffered” by the West and its anti-gas protection sixes inside the Russian Federation millions of our fellow citizens"?

      How a girl of easy behavior says “ours - yours”:

      1. +1
        18 February 2016 06: 34
        I was especially “pleased” by the phrase: “it’s true that there are no peasants left.” And now, of course, all the villages are filled with joyful, happy peasants. Or is it also Stalin’s fault that since the beginning of perestroika, almost all villages and small towns in Russia have been destroyed (or have already been destroyed)? The fields are overgrown with aspen trees, on which it would not hurt to hang the reformers who are destroying Russia, starting with... it’s difficult to say with whom the gradual destruction of the USSR began. From Khrushchev? Brezhnev? Gorbachev? I know one thing for sure - not from Stalin.
        1. +4
          18 February 2016 08: 34
          But lately there have been fewer and fewer uncultivated fields... Literally 10 years ago the picture was sadder...
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        3. +1
          18 February 2016 18: 31
          If the reformers wanted to destroy Russia, believe me, they would have destroyed it long ago - back in the 90s.
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  52. +2
    17 February 2016 21: 45
    Quote: vovanpain
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb. hi


    Churchill already said this about him...
  53. +1
    17 February 2016 21: 46
    We miss such a person as Joseph Vissarionich. I think GDP does not reach Stalin due to some secret obligations to... He has his own skeletons in his closet. As Zhirinovsky said, after the GDP a tougher man will come. I really hope so. In general, we'll wait and see.
    1. -5
      17 February 2016 22: 17
      Stalin would not be able to help in the current situation - the time is completely different.
      1. 0
        17 February 2016 22: 34
        Again, I'm waiting for written objections.
        1. +1
          17 February 2016 23: 46
          He very much could - for example, carry out the massive cleansing of the state apparatus from Putin's thieving liberal crap that Russia now needs so much - the Kudrins, Grefs and Chubais, which Putin himself is not capable of.

          Under Stalin, Vasilyeva would certainly not have gotten away with 6 months of resort “sentence” for stolen billions from the budget.
        2. 0
          18 February 2016 06: 43
          Quote: Vadim237
          Again, I'm waiting for written objections.

          In my opinion, you only read your own, excuse me, attempts to say something and objections to them. Re-read all comments. There are answers to all your questions. But from you there is nothing except Solzhenitsyn-Khrushchev-Western.
      2. +3
        18 February 2016 01: 29
        Quote: Vadim237
        Stalin would not be able to help in the current situation - the time is completely different.
        - Yes, yes. Right away, without much preparation, and wave a saber, clearing out the state apparatus? It won't work! 5-10 years to “build up”, no less, and we have so much time left? What if the reforms go in the wrong direction? - So let’s forget about “pie in the sky”, let’s hope for “bird in hand”, especially since not everything is so bad and there is at least some hope.
        The President, along the way, is changing himself, expanding and changing our dilapidated system. And here there are no errors...
        He is also a HUMAN...
        1. +1
          18 February 2016 10: 34
          Do we have that much time left? - All my life, my business has been developing, so I have to change something - I would change the criminal system, it will work, and everything else will follow.
          1. 0
            18 February 2016 15: 48
            Quote: Vadim237
            ...I would change the criminal system; it will work, and everything else will follow.


            The judiciary cannot be changed so easily. Let it be renamed and reformed, but as long as in Russia matters are decided not according to the Code, but “by phone,” nothing will change.
      3. +2
        18 February 2016 12: 26
        Don't tell me. Stalin was a brilliant manager and very far-sighted, which earned him the respect of all our enemies. At any time, foresight is a huge help for a ruler.
        1. -6
          18 February 2016 18: 37
          “Stalin was a brilliant manager and very far-sighted” - But for some reason, during the reign of this brilliant, far-sighted manager, 38 million people lost their lives.
          1. +1
            18 February 2016 20: 26
            Where do these numbers come from? Have you really read the liberal lies?
            1. -2
              19 February 2016 15: 23
              I counted the war, plus repression, plus resettlement, plus famine and those who sat back in the camps after the war, the figure of 38 million, alas, is not final - old sources are the best truth.
              1. +1
                20 February 2016 15: 22
                Quote: Vadim237
                I counted the war, plus repression, plus resettlement, plus famine and those who sat back in the camps after the war, the figure of 38 million, alas, is not final - old sources are the best truth.

                And it’s all Stalin’s fault, who, by the way, didn’t have full power almost until the start of the war. Read better. Yes, and it wouldn’t hurt to use your brains. You definitely haven't convinced me. Your delusions are simply ridiculous. Well, as for those who really should have been executed, he pitied many. study the issue better. Nobody is saying that there were no casualties. Answer a simple question for yourself: where were they not? And did we really start a war? So study and think for yourself. Not a single book says that you need to think, and not just read.
          2. 0
            26 February 2016 17: 21
            Vadim237 (1) RU

            38 million people were lost.


            Instead of idle chatter, provide documentary evidence, or lower the figure to 100 million - like Dr. Goebbels: “the bolder the lie, the sooner they believe it!”
  54. +2
    17 February 2016 21: 53
    Every person possessing enormous power and might is surrounded by a wide variety of rumors during his lifetime, and even more so after death. Someone will say that he was not wiser and kinder, and another will say that he was a madman and a villain. These rumors are a kind of curse of the Kings.
    1. +1
      18 February 2016 16: 04
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      ...These rumors are a kind of curse of the Kings.


      Would a literate person be content with rumors? The scope of thinking speaks for itself. 55 volumes of VIL and 13 volumes of IVS command respect for their volume of thoughts, explanations and programmatic theses. good
      As far as I remember, the NSH, which began the collapse of the USSR (I think it was so, it was with him that the flow of slander and denigration of great events that knitted together the lives of millions of people began), was engaged in signing slogans, LIB - a science fiction writer, MSG - a brochure about perestroika, pluralism and the fight against alcohol, EBN - the fight against alcohol... The most important thing is that none of these figures can be convicted of plagiarism. Each one invented something new and tested it on the astonished citizens of the country... wassat
      Well, everyone left a legacy worthy... worthy of the size of their figure...
  55. +8
    17 February 2016 21: 59
    Finally, an article came out with a correct assessment of Stalin. He was the real LEADER of the country and the people, who defeated the Trotskyist liberals and built the Red Empire. Russia should always be an Empire. This is its historical place and there will be no “crap-cracies, pacifism, liberalism and other demonic ideas” must.
    1. Fat
      0
      18 February 2016 07: 43
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      Finally, an article came out with a correct assessment of Stalin. He was the real LEADER of the country and the people, who defeated the Trotskyist liberals and built the Red Empire. Russia should always be an Empire. This is its historical place and there will be no “crap-cracies, pacifism, liberalism and other demonic ideas” must.

      Indeed, the Empire. The USSR built and preserved it during the Second World War, but it failed to raise the imperial elite, these without a Master, like spiders in a jar, gnawed at each other... but in the end we have what we have.
  56. hartlend
    -7
    17 February 2016 22: 31
    The author with a non-Russian surname is completely swollen. He gives advice to all of us and Putin on what to do. Meanwhile, the essence of the article is not clear. It looks like the author decided to promote himself.
    1. +1
      18 February 2016 20: 45
      Quote: hartlend
      The author with a non-Russian surname is completely swollen.

      What does the last name have to do with it? There are many non-Russians with Russian surnames! smile
      Well, for example -
  57. Fox
    -1
    17 February 2016 22: 36
    Quote: Vadim237
    I am waiting for reasoned objections in my statement.

    this is not a statement... this is the release of gases into a temporary reservoir...
    1. +2
      17 February 2016 22: 49
      “This is the emission of gases into a temporary reservoir” - You just described your impulsive attack.
  58. Erg
    +4
    17 February 2016 22: 44
    Great article. A huge plus. It's a rare occasion when I have nothing to object to.
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  60. -2
    17 February 2016 22: 52
    "...Hegel was wrong about something, with Feuerbach the bitch! But who can sort them out, like average philosophers!..." (c) A. Laertsky. I fully support it!
  61. +3
    17 February 2016 23: 33
    A good article was published on VO... I learned a lot of new things, not only from the content of the recommendation, but even more from the comments. Thanks to the administration... hi
  62. 0
    17 February 2016 23: 41
    Quote: kuz363
    Or maybe Russia should first understand its national structure? This is also a kind of bomb. And then think about the arrangement of the USSR.

    Isn't it possible to do both at the same time? It all depends on the qualities of the people in power. The union collapsed because there was no selection of personnel. As Stalin said: “Personnel decide everything.” “Social elevators” did not work, as they say now. So all the bastards made their way to the top. However, they do not work now. We were lucky with Putin, but we won’t always be lucky. Therefore, personnel policy is everything. They say: "Russia has two problems. Roads and fools." If there are no traitors and fools in power, then we will build roads and arrange everything else. Therefore, there is one problem in Russia: fools are in power.
    1. 0
      18 February 2016 20: 32
      Quote: Alexander 2
      . If there are no traitors and fools in power, then we will build roads and arrange everything else. Therefore, there is one problem in Russia: fools are in power.

      Since we have never had good roads, it turns out that there have always been only fools and traitors in power? Hmm... interesting logic request
  63. +2
    17 February 2016 23: 48
    I really don’t like it when they begin to confuse heavenly influence with earthly affairs. I am an atheist, and I believe that “God’s is God’s, and Caesar’s is Caesar’s.” Stalin was a man, a great one, but a man. And, unfortunately, at present there is no such second person. With all due respect to the presidents of Russia and Belarus, both of them take too much into account the opinion of the West, although everyone has long known that our friends were not there, no, and never will be. So, the restoration of the USSR without Stalin, without a person capable of decisive action, is impossible. S.S.S.R. - Stalin Will Save Russia Again. IMHO.
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  65. +5
    17 February 2016 23: 58
    If the Leninist-Trotskyist regime sought to completely destroy the cultural and religious soil of traditional Russian statehood - it devastated churches, instilled rabid satanic fight against God, turned over every single page of the glorious history of Russia, starting from Prince Vladimir to the last Romanov, with a multi-ton roller of Proletcult, hammering the names of the greats into the asphalt Russian commanders, writers, thinkers and spiritualists, propagated fornication and emergency throughout the country, issued orders for the extermination of the clergy (and the more the better), then Stalin’s gradual rise in the communist hierarchy was accompanied by a steady reversal in this policy along all lines.

    We open the memoirs of Vasily Zaitsev and read what he wrote there about his father and grandfather. The grandfather, who raised the future sniper, fought in the Turkish War under Emperor Alexander, his father fought in the First World War under the command of Brusilov under Nicholas 2. No negativity or other traces of the above-cited idiocy in relation to the tsarist commanders were noticed in Zaitsev’s mind, since such treatment by evil commies would probably be sitting in the head of a comrade, and the memoirs are written in laconic and dry human language.

    Next about the church. From the point of view of the Bolsheviks, the church was a tool for maintaining obscurantism, supporting mass ignorance among the masses, from whom it was easier to collect loot one way or another, that is, to exploit in their own interests. The Bolshevik Party relied on the education of the working people, since they were far from stupid people and understood perfectly well that an educated worker was able to produce an order of magnitude better and higher quality result, thereby increasing public welfare and his own personal well-being. So it was decided to subject the church, as a cult on the path to a bright future, to what it was subjected to. And looking at the current situation around JSC ROC, it is very difficult to disagree with the Bolsheviks.
    1. Erg
      -2
      18 February 2016 23: 04
      You are inimitably naive, sir. Let me push you a little in the right direction - who financed the Bolsheviks? (that's you yourself). The destruction of Russia means the destruction of power, the separation of the people from their roots and faith, the “adjustment” of false values, the transition to external control (the plunder of the country by Western “partners” and concessions). Then, so that the slaves do not become completely brutalized and do not destroy the plans of the Western masters, because they would then not be able to serve their new masters, “social programs” are introduced (education in several classes, GOELRO, NEP, the fight against homelessness, and so on... Well? Do you get it? There is a forest for the trees, I answer hi
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  66. EDP
    +2
    18 February 2016 01: 43
    The scale of such a personality as I.V. Stalin cannot be belittled by any liberal fabrications. He is a warrior monk, one of those who gave adversaries of all stripes such lyuli that to this day the descendants of Russia’s enemies even the thought of its role in the destinies of the world causes horror and shudder.
    1. -5
      18 February 2016 14: 17
      why is he a warrior monk? firstly, not a monk, but a half-educated seminarian; secondly, not a warrior, but a bomber and terrorist in his youth, a tyrant and despot in his old age. Warrior monks could not have three children and expropriation-expropriators
  67. +1
    18 February 2016 01: 45
    What priorities does the government determine, what goals and ideals do the people have? Time will judge who is right, but I personally am impressed by the Great Country, the builders of communism, great ideals and great achievements under the leadership of Stalin!
    1. -2
      18 February 2016 14: 15
      yes, if you cross out the repressions, you’re unlikely to deny that they happened
  68. 0
    18 February 2016 05: 29
    Stalin was hardly interested in metaphysics; he had plenty of other things to do.
    It made me laugh when I was accepted into the boys because of one question. wassat
    If necessary, I will answer in a personal message - oh, and we’ll laugh! fellow
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  70. 0
    18 February 2016 06: 06
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/625/hcqh213.jpg
    Where is our Crimea?
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  72. +5
    18 February 2016 06: 23
    Hello! V.V. Putin had little idea of ​​the idea that he voiced. A. Dulles spoke about what he voiced a long time ago when he spoke about the destruction of the USSR and its legacy. V.I. Lenin was a theorist who generalized the teachings of the utopians and the teaching about the variable components of the coming generations (system) and their aspirations. In the teachings of V. Lenin there is a focus on organizing the life of the people in better conditions than under the power of capital concentrated in one hand. While power is in the hands of a small group of fans of capital, the people will be constantly in a state of war, either to seize territories, mineral wealth or other benefits. While power in RUSSIA belonged to the kings, RUSSIA was constantly at war, regardless of the situation of the people. If V.I. Lenin had not died, then the continuation of the NEP policy would develop and enrich the country, just as modern China, which has not abandoned the communist ideology, is successfully developing. What can I say about I.V. Stalin, Stalin is Stalin! The attempts of modern, as they project themselves, politicians and leaders of the country, spitting on the past, are doomed to failure. Better study the works of V.I. Lenin, I.V. Stalin, and especially read at least the works of K. Marx Capital, you may become wiser. Especially when admirers of the Anglo-Saxon direction of economic development settled in at the Higher School of Economics.. There is an obvious influence on the education of the younger generation, which as a result of this coming up, it will be at the level of knowledge of J. Psaki. And the introduction of paid services will further lead to the stratification of citizens into poor and rich. The development of a country without a clear ideology and a goal of where to go is doomed to failure, because tactics and strategy develop thanks to this, and not in spite of it. that's what I think and know
  73. +6
    18 February 2016 09: 08
    I won’t talk about LENIN, no matter how anyone writes - he is a LOD, a LOD, as a revolutionary, as a leader of the state, as a philosopher and political figure, they write about him, study, argue, apply his teachings. STALIN is the same BLOCK and the foundation he created ensures the security of our MOTHERLAND even now, what the author wanted to say is that not everything that some scribblers write and some figures say corresponds to reality, they forget or do not want to talk about the NEP, GOELRO, victory in the Civil War war, and this is all LENIN, STALIN - industrialization, victory in the Great Patriotic War, the rise of science and education, space, nuclear weapons and others. They talk about repressions and deaths, but they were just not all so clear, for some reason the AUTHORITIES and liberals of all stripes are silent about the fact that from 4 to 6 million people simply died out during the reign of the struggle, and all these people are CITIZENS OF RUSSIA, here is STALIN I always remember his repressions, and the fighter-JUDAS, they built a hut for 7 billion rubles, and erected a monument, awarded him the highest order of RUSSIA, because what he did was GENOCIDE against the PEOPLE, everyone was pushed into one place like a tongue. What can we add: GENIUS, BLOCKS on the one hand and mediocrity who brought the country to a crisis and cannot do or offer anything on the other hand, these are the conclusions after the article.
  74. -4
    18 February 2016 10: 40
    And to summarize all of the above - Stalin’s times have passed and thank God - we are moving on, under different conditions.
    1. +3
      18 February 2016 14: 15
      Quote: Vadim237
      Stalin's times have passed and thank God - we are moving on, under different conditions.

      We are moving towards the abyss, but we cling to the Stalinist legacy, without which there would be nothing to move, and thank not God, but Stalin.
      Crimea was returned, it’s time to return STALINGRAD!
      1. +4
        18 February 2016 14: 33
        Quote: atos_kin
        Crimea was returned, it’s time to return STALINGRAD!


        The time will come when we will return everything that the socialists “gave away.”

        http://pleer.com/tracks/230841qN41
        http://pleer.com/tracks/230842aWk5
        1. -3
          20 February 2016 11: 37
          Quote: Kapellan23
          The time will come and we will return everything

          your time has already passed, history has long buried people like you on its sidelines.
      2. -3
        18 February 2016 18: 00
        If you are moving towards the abyss, these are already your problems, and everyone else is moving away from the abyss.
  75. -7
    18 February 2016 14: 12
    There is no need to extol Comrade Stalin. If there had not been an October revolution, by the way, with the direct participation of Comrade Stalin, then perhaps Russia would not have needed to overcome the difficulties after the devastation of the Civil War. Yes, in his place, he did what he could, what he could and what he could think of he had enough. But who can guarantee that any other leader in his place who came to power in the RSFSR would not have done better? Well, you might argue worse, but this is already metaphysics. In 1913, before the stupid war in which Russia got involved without very well thinking through the consequences, the economy was on the rise. Which once again proves that wars, and even more so uprisings and coups, do not lead countries to prosperity, I prosper in those countries where there is continuity of power and where there are traditions of parliament. So the praise of Stalin is some misunderstanding of historical processes
    1. Erg
      +3
      18 February 2016 23: 20
      Intelligence service. Remember for the rest of your life - all historical processes were carried out by Personalities. Yes
      1. -2
        20 February 2016 11: 35
        Quote: Erg
        all historical processes were carried out by Personalities.

        Remember Egr, fool all historical processes were carried out by peoples, and individuals could only lead these processes. A person without a mass of people is nothing.
    2. 0
      19 February 2016 20: 36
      Dear INTELLIGENT, you see, you idealize Tsarist Russia before the revolution. The country was in a deep crisis, and the war showed this perfectly. All these figures of economic development, which admirers of St. Nicholas II like to refer to (not a very correct decision of the Russian Orthodox Church, well, let God judge them), mainly concerned light industry. It was not for nothing that during the war it was necessary to nationalize enterprises, and give a firm slap on the hands of the capitalists, who stubbornly did not want to lose their millions, and rebuild industry for front-line needs. Remember the evacuation of Russo-Balta, which the industrialists mediocrely failed. Remember the factories, AMO, the Stalingrad “Barricades”, which were built at the expense of the treasury during the war. Remember the unfinished warships that the capitalists did not deliver due to their unwillingness to pay the workers. And do you believe that these “patriots”, led by a tsar who is “neither yes nor no,” would revive Russia after the war? After, even if, victory in the First World War, all of Russia would have fallen into debt bondage to the West, and would have paid debts until the end of the twentieth century.
  76. +1
    18 February 2016 14: 23
    http://pleer.com/tracks/47164176VMw
    1. +1
      18 February 2016 16: 16
      Talkov has a lot of interesting songs... this one is not the best... and has a more indirect than direct relation to the topic... But, thank you for having your opinion... wink
  77. +7
    18 February 2016 16: 14
    According to a certificate prepared in February 1954 by Prosecutor General R. Rudenko, Minister of Internal Affairs S. Kruglov and Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin, for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954 he was convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes by the OGPU collegium, “triples »By the NKVD, by the Special Meeting, the Military College, the courts and military tribunals of 3 people, including 777 people were sentenced to death. This is for thirty-one years. This is the end of the Civil War, this is the era after it. This is four years of a terrible war with Hitler. This is the period after the Second World War. This is a fight against gangs of Bandera and forest brothers. This includes Berry and Yezhov, and other bloody executioners. Here are the traitors of Vlasov. Here are deserters and looters. Self-shooters. Alarmists. Participants in the gangster underground. Nazi accomplices who shed blood. This is the "Leninist Guard", which destroyed a great country to the joy of the enemies of Russia. Here Zinoviev and Kamenev. Trotskyists in this number. Figures of the Comintern. Traitor and traitor Tukhachevsky, who was about to arrange a military coup. The executioner Bela Kun, thousands of drowning officers in the Crimea with stones on their necks. A multifaceted figure, polysyllabic.
    If you divide the total number of executed by the number of years, you get less than 22 people a year. A lot of? Of course. But let’s not forget what years it was. And there are no tens of millions executed. This is exactly a deliberate lie. Remember this figure: 000 people. That was. This must be known and remembered.
  78. +2
    18 February 2016 16: 14
    About the allegedly repressed command staff of the Red Army from May 1937 to September 1939 in the amount of 40 thousand people. It was such a round figure that the Spark magazine (No. 26, 1986) called for the first time, followed by Moskovskiye Novosti and others. Where did this figure come from? But from where.
    The fact is that on May 5 of 1940, the Chief of the Personnel Directorate of the People's Commissariat of Defense, Lieutenant-General E.Shchadenko presented to Stalin the “Management Report” for 1939. It stated that for 1937 — 1939. from the ranks of the Red Army 36898 commanders were FIRED. Of these, 1937 18 people were fired on 658. (13,1% of the list number of the commanding and political staff), 1938 16 people were dismissed in 362. (9,2%), 1939 people were fired in 1878. (0,7%).
    The motives were as follows: 1) by age; 2) for health reasons; 3) for disciplinary offenses; 4) for moral instability; 5) were fired for political reasons 19 106 (of which, after complaints filed and checks made, 9247 were reinstated in 1938-1939); 6) was arrested, that is, repressed, there were 9579 people of the commanders (of which 1457 was restored in 1938-1939).
    Thus, the number of officers arrested in 1937-1939's. (no air force and fleet), is 8122 people. (3% of the total number of teams on 1939). Of these, 70 was sentenced to be shot, 17 was shot - mostly the highest, for example, two out of five marshals (Tukhachevsky for organizing a Trotskyist military plot, Egorov for participating in espionage, preparing terrorist acts and participating in a candidate organization), also One Marshal Blucher was arrested for involvement in the military-fascist conspiracy, which led to unreasonable losses and the deliberate failure of the operation on Lake Hassan, but died in prison. Also for similar highly dangerous crimes 5 from 9 commanders of 1 rank (Belov, Yakir, Uborevich, Fedko, Frinovsky) and other representatives of the “fifth column” were shot.
    “... The Wehrmacht just betrayed me, I perish at the hands of their own generals. Stalin committed a brilliant act by arranging a purge in the Red Army and getting rid of rotten aristocracy "(from the interview of A. Hitler to the journalist K. Shpeydel in late April 1945)
  79. +2
    18 February 2016 17: 54
    If there is at least one person in the world who does not combine such contradictory qualities, then this person is a newborn 15 minutes old. A little more - it all began....
    Stalin is essentially an ordinary man who has occupied an unusual place. No one knows what kind of priest Soso Dzhugashvili would have been if he had lived one day of his life differently then. But everyone knows Stalin! Denigrating or praising a person just because he occupied his place at a certain historical time is an unseemly activity. Moreover, no one can change anything or anything.
    Let everyone ask themselves honestly: are all my deeds and actions the height of perfection and universal justice? At best it's 50/50. In reality, each of us has much less good. And this is on a small bump, even if it’s a guiding one. Now let’s imagine what and how a person doomed by enormous power should do in that difficult time. How much information the brain must digest, which of the possible, sometimes opposite, decisions must be made. And make no mistake.
    Now, in an age when information is placed on the table almost online, so many mistakes have been made that historians of the 22nd century will take another century or more to clear up. “Judge not and be unjudged” - this is not about courts and judges.....
  80. 0
    18 February 2016 19: 10
    Quote: activator
    Quote: vovanpain
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb. hi

    Yes, no, here, I understand the author wants to say that Stalin broke the game for secret governments who wanted to create a sort of janissary from the people of Russia without a historical memory who hated their past, who corrected their faith and were ready to bring chaos and lawlessness to Europe by someone’s secret order. He opposed this because of what, in fact, there were many who were repressed, well, actually something like that.


    Well, it’s okay, but under Putin the world governments are playing well. They're breaking the bank.
    After saying a, say b.
  81. -1
    18 February 2016 20: 32
    This is utter stupidity)))) Author, do you really believe in what you write? ))) I think that you are mocking common sense to please yourself. Draw a parallel between the development of the USSR and the USA. Or the USSR and Europe after the Second World War. The head of state must have two goals: the welfare of the people (standard of living and comfort of life) and the military defense of the state. If you start comparing, remember yesterday’s resignation of the governor - people in the country still live in barracks.
    1. +1
      20 February 2016 11: 29
      Quote: Chaos
      There are still people living in barracks in the country.

      Yes, and in the USA people still live on the streets. So progress is evident
  82. +1
    18 February 2016 21: 46
    Again attacks on Lenin in the spirit of Zhirinovsky with an attempt to pass off lies as truth and a desire to pit Lenin against Stalin. It’s time to understand that they were doing one thing, but at the same time the conditions in which they acted and the situation in the country changed radically.
  83. +2
    18 February 2016 21: 47
    Quote: asher
    The ugliest thing is that these pieces of our country suddenly invented some kind of history of their own and consider themselves damned Russian for several hundred years.

    Let them have fun. They have already eaten up the legacy of the hated USSR, but God themselves was not able to work. The Russians were the central nation because, as experience shows, only they are capable of creation as a nation. Almost everything that was created in the Soviet Union was created by the Russians. Nothing, it will be even worse, and when the fraternal peoples crawl to Russia for help, then it’s worth remembering the rabid Russophobia, and non-citizens, and ethnic cleansing. Remember everything and ask in full.
  84. +2
    18 February 2016 21: 49
    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    Even the creation of the USSR according to the Leninist model led to several national uprisings (especially in Georgia), if the Stalinist model had prevailed, nationalist uprisings would have occurred more powerfully. Therefore, Lenin put forward his model from the situation. that politics is the art of the possible.

    Recalling these events in Georgia and Azerbaijan, one must take into account that in these then republics the positions of the Mensheviks and nationalists, who were actively supported by Britain, were strong. And these performances were organized not without their participation. The situation was difficult, but those decisions determined the appearance of the future state, which is important. And the arbitrariness in determining the borders of these republics has now come back to haunt Russia in 91, and is now being regurgitated by Ukraine, and perhaps soon by Belarus - the “partners” are actively engaged in this and are methodically preparing the ground for this! hi
  85. +8
    19 February 2016 00: 35
    Well ? Let's talk about History? Here a new girl (scout) flashed by. Probably studied for the Unified State Exam? I'm starting... The Russian economy from 1900 to 1916 was in a terrible state. Let us remember the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, let us remember the war of 1914-1916. , when there was simply not enough shells for artillery, and even the great princes did not disdain theft from the army and navy. For information, I would like to remind you that everything that was built or mined in Russia during these so-called prosperous years for the economy was done with FOREIGN loans, and the profits were naturally exported from Russia. Example: CER - Chinese Military Railway, length - BAM, built in TEN YEARS, with French loans. GDP two years ago (bastard!) repaid debts on French bonds. And now about Lenin... The main thing. Lenin did not lead the October Revolution (or revolution)! The uprising was led by Trotsky, Sverdlov and Stalin. Moreover, I am convinced that the October Revolution is the least of the evils, which saved, strange as it may sound, Russia from collapse. Remember the insignificance of Kerensky. The Bolsheviks did not seize power, they picked it up (there were no others!). Annie Kaplan did not shoot Lenin. She couldn’t physically, she was practically blind. These were internal party fights. Sverdlov tried to remove Lenin. Regarding the national question and the conflict on it between Lenin and Stalin... Was there such a thing? You forgot that in 1936 the Constitution of the USSR was adopted. Cool Constitution! not a damn thing about the current one, written under the dictation of the US State Department. So, if the problem of the national question existed, then Stalin would certainly have solved it in this Constitution (Lenin was already in the mausoleum). Well, about the size of Stalin’s figure, in the history of the country and the world, it’s probably useless to argue and prove anything. For Russia, he is on a par with Gediminas, Dmitry Donskoy, Ivan 3, Ivan 4 (the Terrible), Lenin. In the world - Genghis Khan, Napoleon. And the words of any GDP should not be taken seriously. I have a suspicion that he received his education in the gym on the tatami of Leningrad State University under or above the Rottenbergs. Too many mistakes.
  86. +2
    19 February 2016 07: 06
    Quote: gunya
    Maybe at the same time he will answer why the BI interceptor was equipped with a liquid propellant rather than a jet engine.

    Because we simply didn’t have turbojet engines then! At the BI there was a D-1A liquid rocket engine - an engine developed by Leonid Stepanovich Dushkin.
    1. 0
      26 February 2016 21: 38
      Bayonet (5) RU

      Because we simply didn’t have turbojet engines then! At the BI there was a D-1A liquid rocket engine - an engine developed by Leonid Stepanovich Dushkin.


      There were experimental design developments. There were also ramjet engines.
  87. 0
    19 February 2016 07: 55
    ...The enemy will speak without flattery
    What is your talent worth?
    No matter how cunning the allied beasts were
    Uncle Joe showed who the giant is...
  88. -2
    19 February 2016 12: 04
    Who should I ask?
    My grandmother on my father’s side was born into a wealthy peasant family in the Smolensk region, 6 cows, a cheese factory, 3 horses.
    They dispossessed her, sent her to Kamchatka, and out of 6 children she was the only one who survived. Who did it and why?
    1. 0
      19 February 2016 20: 43
      Did Stalin personally evict your grandmother’s family? And he came to the Smolensk region specifically for this? Read J.V. Stalin’s article “Dizziness from Success” and you will get the answer to your question. My paternal grandfather owned an apple orchard, donated the orchard to the collective farm and left to build the Stalingrad Tractor Plant. Then he returned to the collective farm, and never regretted his action. “It was such a time, grandson” - his words.
    2. 0
      26 February 2016 21: 41
      vikosin RU

      Who should I ask?




      And then think for yourself!
  89. 0
    19 February 2016 13: 08
    Nevsky Suvorov.
  90. -2
    19 February 2016 16: 23
    Stalin's enormous contribution to the development of the economy and the unity of Russia as a state and the thousands of ruined people of the same country are on the other hand. Thousands of factories built and thousands destroyed during the construction of these factories? The Great Victory in the war and all those who died in this war... Great Stalin or Great People?
  91. 0
    19 February 2016 16: 59
    Stalin was the last Russian Emperor. Everyone who came after him slipped to the level of petty princes, or even barons. As for Putin, alas, he does not reach the level of the Emperor, although the people would like this.
  92. +2
    19 February 2016 20: 06
    Wonderful article. The author looks at the root, pushing aside the details that numerous “Stalinists” juggle from liberal circles.
    For these 3 author’s theses, we should get 10 pluses for each:
    1. "..and we all need to clearly distinguish between the stages - Leninist and Stalinist"
    2. “It was Stalin who buried the Comintern, whose task was to ignite the global fire of the proletarian revolution with the help of Russia as expendable material”
    3. “During this struggle, the Stalinists fought to the death with the Trotskyists...”
  93. +1
    19 February 2016 21: 39
    A bright, wonderful, uplifting article. It is possible that in a number of aspects the content of the article can be disputed and be the subject of debate, but this does not negate its merits. Bravo to the author!
  94. +2
    19 February 2016 21: 46
    Quote: vovanpain
    Quote: Koshak
    But I don’t understand what the author wanted to say?

    Probably, Stalin took the country with a plow, and left the winner of Hitlerism and with the atomic bomb. hi

    And that, of course. But that's not all. The author, first of all, drew attention to the sacred, mystical nature of the figure of Stalin.
  95. +1
    19 February 2016 23: 48
    Quote: Mahmut
    The author is right that he divided Lenin's "socialism" and Stalin's socialism. But unfortunately, Stalin had not only victories but also mistakes. For example, the author attributes to Stalin the successes in the conquest of space. This is when Sergei Pavlovich was almost ditched in Kolyma? Or take an example of how the repression was carried out against genetic scientists. As a result, the USSR turned from a grain exporter into an importer. And the quality of the grain fell to such lows that it was only good for forage. And they could not cope with this problem until the collapse of the USSR. The fact that Stalin took the country with a plow and left with the atomic truth is true. But whatever one may say, the country was first brought to the plow by Stalin's accomplices in the revolution. Or, before the revolution in Russia, tractors were not produced, schools were not built, power plants were not erected. With the same success, one can say about Yeltsin, who accepted the country with a calculator and left it with a laptop.

    As now, there were many traitors and foreign agents in power then, so many of Stalin’s orders were sabotaged.
  96. +1
    20 February 2016 01: 08
    Extremes are always destructive) Some curse, others are almost ready for canonization. Yes, it is difficult for people to do without saints, especially difficult without the sacralization of power.
    Yes, there is no power that is not from God: some rulers are allowed to rule to punish the wicked people, others - to wisely rule the country, and this can be combined.
    Undoubtedly, Stalin did a lot for the country, the author says correctly. And he punished many enemies of the state. Of course, there is something to respect.
    There were excesses, and there were innocent victims. Repressions against the clergy stopped after the start of the Second World War, and the revival of Orthodoxy began. By the way, in 1941, many (of the survivors) reconnaissance officers and spacecraft commanders were returned to their positions from prisons and camps.
    Stalin was a pragmatist, thoughtful, far-sighted, and widely erudite.
    Who can judge him? How to put yourself in his place? How to evaluate the full value of Stalin's victory?..
  97. 0
    20 February 2016 10: 03
    I will continue to provide information that you will never receive while studying for the Unified State Exam. So, COMINTERN - Communist International. The idea and brainchild of the organizer and leader of the October Revolution, Leon Trotsky (Bronstein). Leon Trotsky believed that the successful experience of the revolution in Russia should be further extended to more advanced and prepared countries in Europe. The instrument for preparing and carrying out revolutions should be the Comintern, created for this by Trotsky. And Russia should become (be) a consumable material for the Comintern, a kind of donor. And despite the devastation and hunger in the country, money, valuables, gold, and currency were allocated unlimitedly and unaccountably for the needs of the Comintern and related organizations. Moreover, the laws and orders adopted at meetings of the leadership of the Comintern were MANDATORY for execution by the leaders of the Russian government. that is why Stalin and Trotsky became irreconcilable enemies.
    1. Erg
      0
      20 February 2016 23: 19
      You, sir, are mistaken. The Comintern is a weapon capable of destroying (subjugating) any state. Weapons of the Illuminati. Therefore, Stalin considered the bearers of this harmful idea to be enemies. You know the consequences.
  98. -2
    20 February 2016 10: 26
    Metaphysics is not from Stalin, but complete idealism and cave metaphysics from the author of this article. The author forgets, or is deliberately silent, that Stalin headed a socialist state, a classless society in which there was no exploitation of man by man! And this is the main content of Comrade Stalin’s activities! And the next step was to begin the construction of communism in the country. So rotten bourgeoisie, hands off in the name of Comrade Stalin! He has nothing to do with you! The article has a big and bold MINUS!
    1. 0
      20 February 2016 10: 47
      Quote: Azzzwer
      that Stalin headed a socialist state, a classless society in which there was no exploitation of man by man!

      First of all, don't write nonsense. Classless societies do not exist in principle. If there is a society, then there is a division into classes or something like that. Even in primitive communal society, analogues of classes existed on the scale of one cave. And Bolshevik non-erotic fantasies on this topic are completely groundless.
      As for operation, where would we be without it? She was, is and will be. And from the one who exploits, a civil servant on behalf of the state, or a clerk on behalf of the bourgeoisie, nothing changes. Perhaps a clerk cannot transfer a hired worker into a bestial slave state at his own request or on the order of a bourgeois, but a civil servant can, under certain conditions, do so. This was precisely what was widely practiced under Stalinism.
      Quote: Azzzwer
      And this is the main content of Comrade Stalin’s activities!

      Here I am about the same.
      Quote: Azzzwer
      And the next step was to begin the construction of communism in the country.

      Oh yeah. It’s a pity that Dzhugashvili didn’t need this at all. He built what he wanted. Back in the late 30s. Your own “ideal state”. And after that I didn’t need anything else. In addition to expanding your possessions.
      1. +1
        20 February 2016 10: 52
        Quote: carbine
        Classless societies do not exist in principle.

        they don’t exist only in your head, our dear bourgeoisie
  99. +1
    20 February 2016 11: 10
    They deny the greatness of I.V. Stalin's only enemies and go away (well, you're still corrupt creatures). Stalin was the greatest ruler of Russia, no match for today's thief.
  100. 0
    20 February 2016 12: 25
    I propose to submit a petition to the Russian Orthodox Church to canonize Comrade Stalin I.V.! He really did a lot for the People of the Country and Peace throughout the World.
    Not like some of the listed, and even more so, the so-called “Nobel Peace Prize laureates”

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

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