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Donetsk and Lugansk: forward, in the old days?

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There were no two days News from Donetsk. Then let's go. I was waiting, frankly, for confirmation through our central channels. But ... Syria, blocked trucks, politics. But for some reason not a word about the Donbass.




Subject tired. Not relevant.

And already 16-th talked with his friends from Donetsk. It turns out that the cable broke, so they were silent. The first question was about Marinka.

“And what about Marinka?” My interlocutor was surprised.

Well, of course, there were fights there ...

And our fights are already going everywhere, dear Russian. Listen here.

In Donetsk, the anniversary of the Debaltsev defeat was not celebrated. There was no celebration, there was no rally. Strangely, we have repeatedly even criticized for celebrating too much in Donetsk, with or without occasion. And then there was a reason. Shelling.

Zakharchenko spoke on television. He said that on the “Minsk”, obviously, you can put up a cross, because none of the planned was carried out, not executed and is unlikely to be executed. No amnesty, no federalization, no special status.

Two hours later, an artillery attack began, which reminded many of the "old days". So now they talk in Donetsk. “Kum, have you been digging?” - “Well!” - “But how?” - “Yes, like in the old days!”

On the night from 15 to 16, they began to hammer at Trudovsky. So much so that people called at night and said goodbye just in case. But carried by, people quickly remembered the "old days" and there were no casualties. They demolished several houses cleaned, many were badly damaged.

About any mortars and AGS we are not talking. Worked self-propelled artillery.

Further as in the summary. Mortars 82 mm, mm mortars 120, grenade launchers, small weaponartillery. Change only the names of settlements.

Kominternovo, Zaitsevo, Zhabichevo, Gorlovka, the Builder, Wide Beam, Avdeevo.

Apparently, after all, it was a funeral salute over the Minsk agreements. The clashes began virtually along the entire line of contact, which is quite possible, in a few days we will begin to call the front line again.

At one of the forums a resident of Donetsk wrote the following:

On Lenin, fragments right in front of my eyes flew into the windows of an apartment while a nearby shell struck the roof! Very scary, right, we have already lost the habit of it all ... The most disgusting in this situation is that neither the local nor the Russian media cover this situation in principle. The whole broadcast is occupied exclusively by blocking trucks! It seems that everything that violates the “Minsk format” will not even get on the air ... Now only one hope for the Internet.

The Internet is sometimes no worse than television. The question is only of hands and conscience.
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  1. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 17 February 2016 06: 22
    -10 qualifying.
    Zakharchenko spoke on television. He said that in Minsk it’s obvious that you can put an end to it, because none of the planned has been fulfilled, is not being implemented and is unlikely to be fulfilled
    All the time, the feeling of discharge and sale did not leave! Well, we have a market - what request
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 February 2016 07: 15
      30
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      All the time, the feeling of discharge and sale did not leave!

      And under Illlovaisk and Debaltseve, too, did you feel a sense of discharge and sale?
      1. andj61
        andj61 17 February 2016 07: 49
        12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: VNP1958PVN
        All the time, the feeling of discharge and sale did not leave!

        And under Illlovaisk and Debaltseve, too, did you feel a sense of discharge and sale?

        So they merged and sold there! The whole question is WHO and WHO ... what
        1. Riv
          Riv 17 February 2016 08: 01
          16
          If they sold everything and everyone, then where can a poor Jew get his share?
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 February 2016 08: 04
          13
          Quote: andj61
          The whole question is WHO and WHO ..

          According to the Censor’s version, Putin leaked the Ukrainian army with the help of Putin’s agents from the Armed Forces General Staff.
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 17 February 2016 12: 36
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Putin leaked the Ukrainian army with the help of Putin’s agents from the Armed Forces General Staff.


            And who are Putin’s main agents? Think correctly, Alexander, this is Poroshenko, Nalyvaichenko, Turchinov and this one with a mouth guard - Klitschko. True, if so, then they are double agents, because The CIA claims to have priority on them (based on WIKILIX materials). bully
            1. Riv
              Riv 17 February 2016 14: 11
              +6
              Well, why the heck was our agents firing?
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 February 2016 16: 01
              +2
              Quote: Lelek
              And who are Putin’s main agents?

              Yatsenyuk-Myoi agents want Putin’s resignation.
              Paul glad agents - it turned out yesterday
            3. Werterex
              Werterex 19 February 2016 09: 15
              +1
              This is according to Yatsenyuk? Something he modestly shut up .....
          2. Werterex
            Werterex 19 February 2016 09: 14
            +1
            That's what he is this Putin))))) bully
      2. Werterex
        Werterex 19 February 2016 09: 13
        +1
        Now Mariupol will wring out how to give a drink ...
      3. lukewarm
        lukewarm 19 February 2016 10: 48
        +1
        I will answer instead. It was BEFORE the sale.
    2. Oleg Lavrov
      Oleg Lavrov 17 February 2016 17: 55
      +9
      no one leaked anyone! We are closely following what is happening in the Donbass! And the alarming suitcase is packed! So, we can get together in the shortest time, as soon as our help is needed!
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 18 February 2016 06: 14
      +2
      All the time, the feeling of discharge and sale did not leave!
      So lie on the couch, comrade Marshal? Go to the trenches ... Maybe it’s enough to whine already (whine, gobble, etc.)
  2. venaya
    venaya 17 February 2016 06: 29
    16
    in Minsk, obviously, you can put an end to it, because none of the planned has been implemented, is not being implemented and is unlikely to be implemented. No amnesty, no federalization, no special status

    One can understand the head of the DPR - the main task of Kiev at the moment is to get out of the “Minsk-2”, which is disadvantageous for them, while blaming the Donetsk republics all the blame. He cannot raise the economy, this was not the purpose of the Maidan, but the main task for him now is to take his feet away or delay the moment of his responsibility.
  3. alex-cn
    alex-cn 17 February 2016 06: 32
    11
    Actually, this was to be expected ...
    Minsk is at an impasse, the junta is about .... everything that is possible, Europe is clearly tired of it ... Only to surrender it without losing face ...
    I feel sorry for people ...
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 17 February 2016 06: 53
      +4
      Quote: alex-cn
      Actually, this was to be expected ...

      This was to be expected even before Minsk-1, which they had muddied for reformation and re-equipment!
      1. Sober
        Sober 17 February 2016 09: 08
        11
        Minsk announcements were in order to stretch time, in the hope of self-destruction of dill. What in general is happening. And it would have happened completely if she, this ugly, were not artificially supported. As in a hospital, the brain has already died, but with the help of the apparatus the illusion of life is maintained. Unfortunately, this illusion makes impulsive, spontaneous movements, which nevertheless smell very bad. And people who do not want to recognize this corpse, but are forced to be near it, suffer.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 18 February 2016 22: 05
          0
          It seems to me that this is the agony of Ukraine. He always claimed that in the end they slam the door so that the windows fly out. And so it began.
    2. Sober
      Sober 17 February 2016 09: 01
      +1
      Quote: alex-cn
      I feel sorry for people ...

      this is the main thing.
      1. igortyson
        igortyson 19 February 2016 22: 59
        0
        Quote: Sober
        Quote: alex-cn
        I feel sorry for people ...

        this is the main thing.

        Well, did he sit down, regret it, and the beer went to yank? Your pity for the pity, and most importantly. Check out General Petrov’s BER.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 17 February 2016 11: 58
      10
      Quote: alex-cn
      Actually, this was to be expected ...

      Yes.
      It has already been quite rightly said many times that it is possible to destroy the "rule of Banderlog" in Ukraine only in a comprehensive manner: the sobriety of the people from impoverishment due to the economic "successes" of Yaytsenyukh, anti-Bandera propaganda, neutralization of the most "violent" ones and, a necessary condition, the defeat of the warriors in the Donbass.
      And defeat is obtained only when inflicting unacceptable losses in manpower and equipment.
      What to do here, what to do? To collect more Donetsk children and volunteers in the troops of the DNI and LC to cut the enemy and organize new boilers?
      Without the use of powerful modern means of destruction, not only troops in battle formations, but also headquarters, reserves, warehouses and other military infrastructure, no new boilers will now work ...
      Do not want our leadership to aggravate? Clear. I don’t want it myself!
      But otherwise it is unlikely to work.
      The defeat of anti-terrorist operation forces can be carried out by means of a powerful fire strike of the RUK, aviation, followed by isolation of the combat area and breakthrough of the Ukrovsk defense, surrounded by groups, crossing communications in the areas of Mariupol, Krasnoarmeisk, Slavyask, Kramatorsk, Svatovo.
      But this option will require a lot of troops, the DNR-LNR forces will not be enough, vacationers will be required, losses and other negative aspects are possible.
      The second option is to retaliate against the position of the forces of the so-called ATO of such strength (and accuracy!) So that the Banderlog and the warriors who have joined them do not have their heads shaken.
      In my personal opinion, the second option is preferable.
      Although it’s bad to fight at allbut something needs to be done here - it won’t pass by itself. No.
      1. Naum
        Naum 19 February 2016 20: 20
        0
        Yes, it will not resolve itself! It is necessary to approach more globally - generally to end with Ukruina. Catalyze the economic collapse of this under-state, stimulate internal political discord with its transition to self-destruction of the Svidomites. So that neither funds nor desire remain for the war in Donbass. Well, what is it worth to find a working battery with a drone and give its exact coordinates to the artillerymen, so that they treat the area with thermobaric ones. This is me, the "sofa general", fantasizing like that, offhand. And there professionals work. Better a horrible end than endless horror. Where the bullet came from, a projectile should fly there, and a rocket at the projectile.
    4. Lelek
      Lelek 17 February 2016 12: 43
      0
      Quote: alex-cn
      Minsk is at an impasse, the junta is about .... everything you can


      This became clear not only to the notorious hedgehog, but also to the main pediculist of former Ukraine:
      (cry.)
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 18 February 2016 20: 38
        0
        Here, here, send Yaytsenyuha to the ATO so beloved by him, On the front line!
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 17 February 2016 06: 35
    15
    And Merkel, somehow she doesn’t shed tears .. that people are being bombarded .. ISIS terrorists and ukronatsists are closer ..
    1. Sober
      Sober 17 February 2016 09: 11
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      And Merkel, somehow does not pour tears ..

      Her gold is not given to her, her accounts can freeze! That's where the tears are, that's the trouble!
      And you say people shell ....
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 18 February 2016 20: 40
        +1
        The "enlightened" pidropa never shed a single tear in its history because of the Slavs! Is that "crocodile"!
  5. shinobi
    shinobi 17 February 2016 06: 36
    +3
    Yes, as expected, that’s not a big deal. The Americans, as they should, have distracted attention from the war by Syria. I’ll paralyze too, shut up all the dissatisfied. In short, everything is expected.
  6. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 17 February 2016 06: 39
    +9
    Hold on to Donbass !!!! you are strong - you will survive! although it’s harder and harder. the junta is simply distracting people from internal problems by the war ........ but the limit will come, I want to believe it and would rather ....
  7. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 17 February 2016 06: 44
    +3
    And why in the republics showed an inappropriate agility by taking tanks and guns away, the dog knows where, and the gunners, on the contrary, pull up armaments to the republics and hammer them with might and main ??? Maybe it’s time to return your equipment to the positions and let the warriors slip through ??? r s-right now, the otretals will fly, I’ll laugh ...
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 17 February 2016 09: 39
      +8
      And why in the republics showed an inappropriate agility by taking tanks and guns away, the dog knows where, and the gunners, on the contrary, pull up armaments to the republics and hammer them with might and main ??? Maybe it’s time to return your equipment to the positions and let the warriors slip through ??? r s-right now, the otretals will fly, I’ll laugh ...
      Well, firstly, "the dog knows where" the equipment cannot be taken (maximum to the border with Russia), secondly, in two hours it can be adjusted back, well, and thirdly, where the art needs it, they have already adjusted it for a long time, and they throw it back when needed. So don't worry.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 18 February 2016 20: 43
        0
        And we can’t help but worry! My soul is dreary and my heart hurts!
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  8. inkass_98
    inkass_98 17 February 2016 06: 53
    15
    Roman, do you turn on the box at all? As for me, they constantly talk about the shelling of Donetsk and the suburbs. And they are talking about a large caliber, and not about small arms. At least yesterday, the First Show was shown starting at 18.00 (I don't see it before, at work), and "Russia" is not lagging behind.
    1. Nikodimov
      Nikodimov 17 February 2016 20: 51
      0
      so constantly talking about the shelling of Donetsk and the suburbs

      Dear, tell me, what about the day before yesterday’s coolest kneading near Staromikhailovka?
      1. TiRex
        TiRex 19 February 2016 17: 39
        0
        said many dead on both sides say
  9. samarin1969
    samarin1969 17 February 2016 06: 59
    +2
    Ukraine with volleys encourages Erdogan's "strategic ally" to attack ... Turkophilia in "Independent" is off scale ...
    1. Nikodimov
      Nikodimov 17 February 2016 20: 54
      +2
      mark my word ... the Ukrainian Armed Forces "may" start to cover up Erdogan's possible aggression in Syria. So to speak - to switch the brains of "world public opinion" from Syria to Donbass.
      And in the Donbass, everything is more alarming and alarming ...
  10. Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry 17 February 2016 07: 31
    +8
    Still, in this LDNR, their representatives of the authorities and major military officials were not killed every week. Why do we need such uncontrollable republics, where political assassinations are so hard to spare? Another thing, of course, is people. They would have peace and prosperity, and then it starts again. Both the Nazis are enemies and at their side, they are corrupt "patriots" who do not disdain murder for the sake of sharing power.
  11. VadimSt
    VadimSt 17 February 2016 07: 32
    14
    Yesterday, two sighting "cassette", fortunately not exploded, flew to the Yuzhny microdistrict of Lugansk. Many, based on the vague policy of the Minsk agreements on a "single state", have much less optimism and feelings of support than in the alarming August 2014. The brave assurances of bloggers, experts and politicians, with their private statements, about the unity of the "Russian world" and "their do not give up ", they do not talk about anything. Life will show.
  12. Riv
    Riv 17 February 2016 08: 06
    -13 qualifying.
    I stopped taking military reports from Donbass seriously when I saw a photo of a New Year tree in Donetsk. However, I stopped taking Ukrainian news "from the ATO zone" seriously even earlier.
    1. Leprekon
      Leprekon 17 February 2016 08: 23
      15
      And besides our New Year tree, children go to school, restore destroyed houses and enterprises, go for weddings, give birth, die and the dead - as everywhere else. So, do not take everything seriously! You could not comment at all - why stick out from the sink to make sure that sea water is salty!
      1. Riv
        Riv 17 February 2016 09: 16
        +3
        That's it ... At one time, our unit was taken to Azerbaijan. I have friends who fought in Afghanistan and in Chechnya. We can say that I have some idea of ​​the civil war. And you have there lately somehow it turns out sadly. Some are fighting, others are trading, others are roofing ...
        This is a gangster sort of disassembly, not a war.
        1. Leprekon
          Leprekon 17 February 2016 13: 08
          +6
          Quote: Riv
          This is a gangster sort of disassembly, not a war.
          It is better to see once than to hear many times, especially from the lips of those who, choking, say that the deterioration of life is connected with the "fucking" Donbass. It is true to be afraid to mention Crimea at the same time, and then only because they are afraid to even virtually receive a reply. It was this category of scribblers a little earlier, shouted at all corners "come in large numbers"!
          1. Riv
            Riv 17 February 2016 13: 59
            0
            Personally, my standard of living has not deteriorated. Probably because I work. But what does it have to do with it? We do not seem to be discussing life in Russia, and it is not worth paying special attention to the squeaks of local people about FSEP.

            You see, it's hard to pity me at all. For example, they post here an article about Chernobyl and how a shift foreman with an operator heroically turns the valves in "hot" water. And for me, by virtue of their positions, they are the culprits of the accident. Or how in 41 they send a soldier to reconnaissance and he heroically dies. And for me, the stupidity of his commanders is obvious, for who sends alone to reconnaissance?

            Well, with Donetsk as well. If my city was shelled, then I would go to the military registration and enlistment office and would do everything to stop the shelling. I personally. And he wouldn’t squeak that everything is bad, the Minsk agreement is being violated, the OSCE is blind and putinsl. And since the author of the material does not go to the military registration and enlistment office, and in Donetsk they put a New Year tree, then it makes no sense for me to worry either.
            1. 97110
              97110 17 February 2016 19: 18
              +1
              Quote: Riv
              If my city was shelled, then I would go to the military registration and enlistment office and would do everything to stop the shelling.

              And what would you do to the draft board? What does it have to do with it? In 1977, I explained to the military commissar for a week that his job was to call me and send me to the regional transfer. Everything else does not depend on him. Then the porridge is brewed - wow! And you are a military registration and enlistment office ... I still know my military commissar, but where there is no military enlistment office. You walk - maybe it is not already, then the military enlistment office.
            2. Nikodimov
              Nikodimov 17 February 2016 21: 00
              0
              Well, with Donetsk as well. If my city was shelled, then I would go to the draft board and do everything ...

              And what would you do if, upon returning from intelligence, you learned that yesterday you wrote a letter of resignation from the ranks of the VSN, and reviewed it with your own handwritten signature? What would have been undertaken further, driving in the early days of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "rags", eh? After such a setup?
              1. Riv
                Riv 19 February 2016 11: 07
                -1
                Well, probably the first thing I would know was the reason for this statement. If I became unnecessary, then the reason most likely is in me. If yesterday there were people around, that is, something that made them strangers, right? Further actions - according to the situation.

                But you know what pins? The very fact of being able to write such a statement. I want - I’m fighting, I don’t want - I’m not fighting. But this is not right. It is not a right to protect your home. Not even a duty. It is a duty. You can’t get away with it, but it turns out that this is quite possible for you.

                A strange war ...
          2. 30BIS
            30BIS 17 February 2016 19: 55
            0
            Obese, scary! Stupid penguin timidly hides a fat body in the cliffs ...
    2. Hyppopotut
      Hyppopotut 17 February 2016 11: 49
      +7
      And in the besieged besieged Leningrad, hungry and cold, they gave symphony concerts! And on the sinking "Titanic" (if this is clearer to you) - the musicians played to the last!
      1. Riv
        Riv 17 February 2016 12: 43
        0
        Dude, you just opened my eyes! This is what Novorossiya had to be compared with: the Titanic. Just please specify with whom. With the ship that sank, or with the movie where DiCaprio heroically glued his flippers together?

        Well, Donetsk does not fit with the besieged Leningrad. Just no way. I think that the Leningraders and the Germans in the 42nd coal did not trade?
        1. Riv
          Riv 17 February 2016 16: 20
          -1
          These lonely minuses are pinning me. :) An awkward attempt to reason, or what? Then, since I have such a topic, I’ll go about the Donetsk children who daily risk their lives under Ukrainian missiles, mines and shells. If my children were threatened by something from this list, I would first send them away. For example, to Russia. And further down the list, starting with the military enlistment office. But if parents don’t care, then who cares?

          Are you crying that nowhere to go? In Russia they accept everyone. Do you have a low salary? Russians work for exactly the same money. Are you afraid that there will be nowhere to live? Those who left and work were not left without housing. Therefore it is good to whine and beg.

          Here is the point of view of an ordinary Russian patriot.
          1. Nikodimov
            Nikodimov 17 February 2016 21: 05
            0
            In Russia they accept everyone.


            Very funny.
  13. baudolino
    baudolino 17 February 2016 08: 13
    +2
    And it makes sense to write about every falling shell, if not only journalists are tired of the Donbass, but the audience no longer pay attention to it. Well, they shoot, so what ...
    Sometimes it rumbles in the center of Donetsk, but that is not the first month.
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 17 February 2016 08: 27
      11
      Quote: baudolino
      And it makes sense to write about every falling shell, if not only journalists are tired of the Donbass, but the audience no longer pay attention to it. Well, they shoot, so what ...

      Do you yourself believe in what you wrote? In Russia, at least in my midst, my soul hurts for my comrades from the Donbass. Have you ever seen a gap of 120mm HE?
      I am beginning to get the impression that this spring exacerbation in ukrovoyak is planned in the phasington regional committee. Everything is beautiful - oil painting! Another hemorrhoid on the ass of GDP ... It will be done, no ...
    2. Sober
      Sober 17 February 2016 09: 18
      +5
      Quote: baudolino
      And it makes sense to write about every falling shell, if not only journalists are tired of the Donbass, but the audience no longer pay attention to it. Well, they shoot, so what ...
      Sometimes it rumbles in the center of Donetsk, but that is not the first month.

      I didn’t minus, but I’ll answer: if I’m tired, if my heart doesn’t hurt people, if this is just this or that information for you, then what do you read, what do you write. Have a rest.
  14. curl
    curl 17 February 2016 08: 15
    +3
    Almost a hundred years, BUT ...
  15. Leprekon
    Leprekon 17 February 2016 08: 16
    10
    True-womb, on the role of the OSCE, from a resident of Zaitsevo (Gorlovka)
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 17 February 2016 08: 38
      +4
      Quote: Leprechaun
      True womb, on the role of the OSCE
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  16. Scout
    Scout 17 February 2016 08: 26
    +7
    Syria is certainly good, but Syria is far away, and Donbass and Crimea are close here ... And the fact that the media are silent, so the media always ran ahead collecting fried facts, you are right THIS IS A QUESTION OF CONSCIENCE. When the first Minsk was signed, many were shocked " how do they want to return Donbass to Ukraine? "BUT time passed and the shock passed because all interested parties understood MINSK is not feasible. Why was it needed then? And here I want to intuit ... Donbass did not have the power at that time that was capable of winning a war, yes, a battle, yes, two and perhaps even three, but no war. And remember how many peaceful victims were? it was necessary to stop for a while in order to take a breath and at least figure out WHAT PROPERLY happened, where to go and with whom. I think Minsk can be assessed in different ways, but during its time statehood and even its own bribe-takers appeared in the Donbass. The Army appeared. Discipline appeared and there is already a hope that the war can be played. But what about UKRAINE? Ukraine only dug deeper that trench that divided it and the DLNR ... you DO NOT need to be hysterical, everyone knew and understood. Everything is going according to the plan, according to the plan that was the main one
    1. wandlitz
      wandlitz 17 February 2016 09: 10
      +3
      For the media, only shocking news is interesting, but here is routine. Soon they will not show and talk about Syria either. After all, they do not talk about how people live and work for the good of the Motherland. We see only the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Emergency Situations about human casualties. I sincerely want to watch the Soviet episode of the Vremya program sometimes.
    2. Sober
      Sober 17 February 2016 09: 21
      +1
      Quote: Scout
      It is NOT necessary to hysteria; everyone knew and understood everything.

      Ah, well done, Scout!
  17. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 17 February 2016 08: 28
    +1
    Yes, it's a long time. Although there are no dead.
    Fate There, in Yaroslavl, a house fell in the center of Russia, no war, no shelling. A gas explosion, a dozen dead. So you will never guess.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 17 February 2016 09: 12
      -1
      A showdown with the government begins in Ukraine. Zrada flooded to the full and a political dead end. Yatsenik was given a "failure" and demand his resignation. It is already clear that it will continue along the chain - re-election of the Rada, and then it will reach Poroshenko. Viiskosluzhbovtsi Square freezes in damp trenches and from time to time they fight with volunteers - punishers, shoot at populated areas. If the troops are not withdrawn, everyone needs at least some action. Otherwise, everything is meaningless. Russia is holding back the LDNR from abrupt movements, fulfilling the impossible Minsk "uvagi". The sowing season is on the way, but will there be a harvest as one of the few hopes for the expected habari of the Svidomo Ukrainian leadership? So soon and little by little, she died.
  18. black
    black 17 February 2016 08: 37
    +1
    Every next noise in the press, about atrocities and shelling, ended with the onset of the militia. There is no noise - there will be no offensive. On the line of contact is the parity of tanks and heavy weapons. The APU has a true, non-replenished stock of ammunition. They would like to but can not. But the militia wants, but there is no reserve in manpower. This is for a long time.
  19. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 February 2016 08: 53
    0
    Well, yes, the news does not emphasize the beginning of full-blown action.
    Although we did not have Syria until the fall, the war in the Donbass stood out.
    And then, I think that the answer will soon be ukrofashistami.
  20. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 17 February 2016 09: 13
    +3
    Kiev hollows. OSCE "does not see". A win-win situation. If all of a sudden the VSN starts to respond, the OSCE will "fix" the breakdown of Minsk through the fault of the LPNR, which is what the West wants. If the VSN does not respond, the AFU calmly fires, goes on the offensive and squeezes the VSN out of their positions, incl. and by complete destruction (again, the OSCE "does not see").
    Relying on the honesty of all-shnikov is a futile undertaking. They have other goals. Their goal is the security of Europe. And as long as the Ukrainians are fighting with the Russians and do not climb into Europe, Europe is safe.
    Therefore, one should not rely on the honesty and decency of the OSCE, because they, as a political organization, have neither one nor the other. We must act with them as well. Force them to speak and write the truth. Or create the conditions for them to get out of the Donbass, to hell, in their Europe. And the best way to do this, IMHO, is to transfer their headquarters and strong points directly to the line of contact. Into the demilitarized zone. Since they can not see from afar who and who shoots. Are you here to fix it? Commit. Do not like it - get out of here.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 18 February 2016 20: 56
      0
      The integrity of the street prostitute will be clearly higher!
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  21. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 17 February 2016 09: 14
    +2
    Politics is the art of the possible. By and large, Putin has not leaked anyone yet. Not always the result is a 100% victory. We have taken responsibility to protect the citizens of another state. And this is not just in every way. The process is on. The result will be.
  22. TsShVS
    TsShVS 17 February 2016 09: 15
    +2
    Something about Slavyansk and no one remembers
  23. veteran56
    veteran56 17 February 2016 09: 18
    +1
    Bored of the news from the Donbass? So go there and see for yourself.
  24. user3970
    user3970 17 February 2016 09: 26
    0
    Yes Slavyansk okay. Can you pick up Mariupol with a quiet glanders? And there is Odessa nearby?
  25. silver_roman
    silver_roman 17 February 2016 10: 01
    -1
    About any mortars and AGS we are not talking. Worked self-propelled artillery.

    "acacia" or something else? there was recently a "strange" infa about the German PzH2000. Perceived as fake, but what the hell is not joking. And then the old woman Merkel has not been friends with her head lately, Washington has always thought for her, but now they have completely switched to manual control: she offered to make a no-fly zone over Syria. How did she not think of proposing a no-fly zone over Russia to make what !!!
  26. Kazakh 14
    Kazakh 14 17 February 2016 10: 05
    +1
    It seems to me that in any situation, you can’t see Dombas Kiev already.
  27. LIS10411
    LIS10411 17 February 2016 10: 07
    0
    We just didn’t have time to pick you up. We woke up with Crimea for a long time. And there will be a celebration on your street. Neither who threw you nor who forgot you. Pupkin is not a traitor as you think.
    1. Vadim42
      Vadim42 17 February 2016 14: 27
      0
      Correctly! In addition to the Donbass, there is a Syrian-Turkish border, it is more complicated there. If the United States explodes in the Donbass, it will tell the Turks the face, and we have not yet taken control of the entire border.
  28. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 17 February 2016 10: 38
    +1
    Donetsk and Lugansk ... A human tragedy continues here, blood is pouring ... Russia could stop this, as in Georgia, in a short time. But what will be the consequences of this? For Lugansk, Donetsk and Russia as a whole !? Kiev began the massacre twice and lost both times, losing additional territory. The political situation is such that Russia cannot start first ...
    Eastern wisdom says: either the donkey or the padish will die. We must endure, it’s not long to wait: either Kiev’s power will fall apart, or the US will back down ...
  29. Lysik001
    Lysik001 17 February 2016 10: 52
    +3
    If on emotions .., then Putinslill. If in politics, then it is beneficial for Russia to formally make LDNR a part of Ukraine. More opportunities to influence its policy. NATO does not take countries with territorial problems, etc. etc. Purely humanly, all this is vile. But there are such laws in big politics. Russia will not let everyone win. But this will continue until the power in Kiev changes.
  30. tralmaster.
    tralmaster. 17 February 2016 10: 55
    +1
    As soon as they started talking loudly about lifting the sanctions, the guns started talking again. Now we need to wait for the next attack on the Donbass and the introduction of another portion of sanctions against Russia. Well, and if it starts then we should not stop anymore. We must go to Kuev and make it again Kiev.
  31. koshmarik
    koshmarik 17 February 2016 11: 03
    +3
    A children’s room who will fall apart before Russia or Ukraine is for children. The resolution of the Novorosiya issue will be timely, effective, unconventional, and unexpected.
    1. square
      square 17 February 2016 13: 42
      +1
      I agree. And not only with Novorosia, why guess? Time will tell. At Munich, Keri admitted that Ukraine is not fulfilling its obligations. The tone of the press in the United States in relation to Russia is changing, and much. Or the State Department is losing ground, or bargained for something. This is wf not casual.
  32. qwert
    qwert 17 February 2016 11: 47
    -1
    Now, if the situation with Donetsk and Lugansk is resolved and resolved beautifully, then statements on the Internet and the media will immediately begin that this was the plan of the genius Putin. And if, indeed, not resolved, then "Putin has nothing to do with it, Russia could not send troops."
    And what kind of place the leadership of our country assigns to the problems of Donetsk and Lugansk is quite clear from what place they occupy in the news on TV. It seems to me everything is transparent.
  33. akm8226
    akm8226 17 February 2016 11: 51
    +3
    I can say one thing - you have to wait. As for the onset of the DNI - it is necessary to beat only when it is certain! As for me - early! The moment of truth has not yet arrived.
  34. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 17 February 2016 12: 44
    0
    Mr. Surkov gave the command to remain silent. Here they are silent. Mr. Surkov thinks what, to whom, how much and when.
  35. Larysa54
    Larysa54 17 February 2016 13: 43
    0
    Most "free media" are free to choose what to print. Whoever gives girls to drink dances them. But "Echo of Moscow" is choking on the vile groaning of Novorossiya. What is it for?
    1. atalef
      atalef 17 February 2016 13: 52
      0
      Quote: Larysa54
      Most "free media" are free to choose what to print. Whoever gives water to girls dances them.

      The owner of Echo of Moscow --- Gazprom Media

      Quote: Larysa54
      ... But "Echo of Moscow" is choking on the vile lamentations of Novorossiya. What is it for?

      Ask the owners.
    2. atalef
      atalef 17 February 2016 13: 52
      0
      Quote: Larysa54
      Most "free media" are free to choose what to print. Whoever gives water to girls dances them.

      The owner of Echo of Moscow --- Gazprom Media

      Quote: Larysa54
      ... But "Echo of Moscow" is choking on the vile lamentations of Novorossiya. What is it for?

      Ask the owners.
  36. UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 17 February 2016 13: 49
    0
    The situation at the DLNR with hohloreich is to gain time. And I believe that the Donbass will defend its independence with the subsequent transition to a counterattack throughout 404.
  37. vladek64
    vladek64 17 February 2016 14: 14
    +1
    Merged - not merged. Betrayed - not betrayed. Conversation about nothing.
    To understand that betrayed or not, you must first determine what exactly betrayed?
    For what was this all about?

    For the sake of entering Russia? And who promised you this?
    Putin, on the contrary, talks all the way about the territorial integrity of Ukraine. So there’s nothing to blame him for betrayal.

    For the sake of creating independent PEOPLES republics? And who promised you this?
    I would very much like to ask these "promised" ones: Well, where is the power of the people in these republics?
    The enterprises of the "people's republics" work for the oligarchs, the oligarchs pay taxes to Kiev, and Kiev is shelling Donbass with this money. It can be said that the inhabitants of the "people's republics" themselves pay for the shells with which they are fired.

    How can you betray (surrender) this surrealism? Stop at least paying for shelling your own homes and killing people. And then you pay Kiev yourself, and you blame others for betrayal.
  38. rubidiy
    rubidiy 17 February 2016 17: 08
    0
    Quote: parusnik
    And Merkel, somehow doesn’t pour tears .. that people are being shelled.

    I quote:
    "The Ukrainian Armed Forces have transferred the Strela-10 anti-aircraft system and about 30 Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled howitzers to the contact line in the ATO zone."
  39. rubidiy
    rubidiy 17 February 2016 20: 43
    0
    Quote: Riv
    I personally. And he wouldn’t squeak that everything is bad, the Minsk agreement is being violated, the OSCE is blind and putinsl. And since the author of the material does not go to the military registration and enlistment office, and in Donetsk they put a New Year tree, then it makes no sense for me to worry either.

    Your mantra about "he must do everything himself" smacks of an excuse for his own indifference to someone else's fate. The position "always rely only on yourself" is correct on the one hand, but it works only in the city in peacetime and in relation to the personal selfish needs of a person. If you sit down and think about it, you will very quickly find that this approach cannot be applied anywhere else. Just so you know, a few percent are mobilized in case of war. If the population of Donetsk and Luhansk regions is (was) 6 million, this does not mean that they can put up an army of 3 million. This does not mean that they can feed and arm everyone.
    If it is not clear to you that military operations in the Donbass are beneficial not only to the Kiev junta; if it is not clear to you that people in the Donbass serve as a bargaining chip, then again the question arises of your personal indifference, if not tougher. And this, unfortunately, has already become the norm in our time. I will not build myself a sanctuary and curse people like you. You are nothing more than a product of your time. Just do not need to feed the rest with their own indifference and selfishness. I have no doubt how such a person will behave when his city begins to be bombed ...
  40. Egevich
    Egevich 17 February 2016 21: 26
    +1
    as it does not seem strange to many, time is on the side of the Donbas ...
    hey kids, give me only the deadline, there will be a squirrel and a whistle ...
  41. Fastenkov
    Fastenkov 18 February 2016 01: 57
    +1
    And if you get up from the couch and look wider?
    The first one. If the APU shoot, there is a reason. Option 1: in the end ...., option 2: in the last battle, because there will be no more suitable moment of the offensive (the United States and Russia seem to have agreed on a strategy for relations for the future, and not all current Parashenics are there). And, as they say correctly, Syria is more relevant and not only now. Generally the Middle East. Probably, the Turks and the Ukrainians (top, of course), coordinated their actions and pressed at the same time. Here is an act of terrorism in Ankara .. very timely .... schA will trample revenge and prevent a truce.

    The second one. Minsk-2, an impossible task for Kiev, which everyone with brains understood on the night of signing it. If you notice ... Russia generally began to pose impossible tasks to its opponents. Ukraine - Minsk2, USA and Co. - agree on a list of terrorist organizations in Syria ... go figure it out :) This tactic works 100% in foreign policy and forces competitors to adjust in a pale way. Makes them vinly. So it’s not necessary now, if YOU DON'T DEPT FOR YOURSELF, AND STUPIDLY RIPPED ON THE SCREEN, screaming that they all merged again! Minsk-2 has no alternative, since there is no alternative to PEACEFUL LIFE! CHOOSE YOUR WAY - endure!

    The third. If you immediately blurt out on TV that Minsk-2 is not respected and everything is lost, then there is no room for maneuver in the negotiations at the highest level. I explain: you told the country that war was again. The people stiffened and awaited a throw to Kiev. And you again managed to get a ceasefire through diplomacy. The people will not appreciate ... Give us the answer! So that there was something to discuss. Here and the telly is silent. Soon, bye.
    In general, I think that the DPR should be endured, standing and waiting until there is a regime change in Kiev. And then Minsk-2 will really work and there will be autonomy.
  42. saygon66
    saygon66 18 February 2016 03: 28
    +1
    -The project is closed due to lack of profitability, funding has been discontinued, attracted forces and funds transferred to a more promising direction ??
  43. cergey51046
    cergey51046 18 February 2016 06: 24
    +1
    It seems that they are being bombed, and they are not responding. It is necessary to suppress enemy firing points.
  44. Mihail55
    Mihail55 18 February 2016 13: 08
    +2
    Here is a note from my friend Dusk

    After a couple of years ago I made a vow to never speak Ukrainian and not even sing songs, I did not write about Ukraine on the pages of "Occasion ...". In Moscow, I often meet people from Donbass, I correspond with our colleague from Dnepropetrovsk "Master Crafts", I receive news from my old acquaintances living in Ukraine in its various regions. Opinions are different, and it is very difficult to understand what is happening, and even more so if you rely on media news feeds, it is very easy to get confused. It should be noted that journalism, and it is not for nothing that it is in second place in the list of the oldest professions, cannot be objective for the same objective reason - because of the desire to be the first. To convey fresh news to the consumer, and if this fails, then the second, third, and further, the journalist supplements the already discussed news with his personal comment, and if he is lucky, with the comment of an authoritative, public person. As a result, the consumer receives a propaganda product. So, what do we have two years after the coup d'etat in Ukraine? The territory for which supranational, large corporations and the market of cheap consumer goods are fighting for the bowels is the dream of Western European small and medium-sized businesses. Ukraine, as a state, is not allowed to disappear for the only reason - it owes too much. For the same reason, the Russian Federation hastened to recognize the results of the presidential elections in Ukraine - from someone it is necessary to demand three billion euros borrowed from the previous government, not to give the same ... For the same reason, the IMF changed its own legal provisions in order to prevent default and thereby to declare bankruptcy of the debtor, from which there is nothing to get. And what about New Russia? Could she, two years ago, rebel under the flag of Ukraine's chevto-blakit, thereby declaring the "Maidan" rebels? Why not? But in this case, the leaders of Novorossiya would have to take on the burden of debt obligations. In case of suppression of an anti-state rebellion, of course. But this is already a "if only if only" sphere, and at present we have two unrecognized republics in the zone of the frozen conflict, in whose territories the main currency is the Russian ruble.
    Twilight
    http://gsumrak.ucoz.ru/blog

    And from myself - Shelling by Turkish artillery of the positions of the Kurds and government troops in Syria.
    Imagine if our artillery had shied away in the RESPONSE in Donbass ... the howl would not be described! And this is only expected. Minsk failed! And no one thought that Svidomo could be trusted. If Tymoshenko calls the "people's" elected by a pack, and Lyashko calls the government fools, how much further
  45. 149GB
    149GB 19 February 2016 09: 50
    +1
    This canoe must end! Poor people, patience YOU, and survive. We are with YOU. The boil should be removed surgically.
  46. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 19 February 2016 09: 50
    +1
    Quote: venaya
    One can understand the head of the DPR - the main task of Kiev at the moment is to get out of the “Minsk-2”, which is disadvantageous for them, while blaming the Donetsk republics all the blame. He cannot raise the economy, this was not the purpose of the Maidan, but the main task for him now is to take his feet away or delay the moment of his responsibility.

    Minsk-2 is primarily disadvantageous for the Pentagon hawks, who fulfill the order of their true masters, who dream of global and all-embracing power over all mankind. Military conflicts, into which Russia is being drawn by creating wars on its borders or threats of such wars, are actually beneficial to the SGA because weaken Russia economically, forcing it to redistribute the budget towards increasing defense spending, and this is given the scarcity of the budget amid sanctions and the oil price crisis and the government’s inability to earn money in any other way than selling energy resources almost for free to all the same European "partners" ... Hence the game of the State Department of the SGA to drag out all kinds of military and political conflicts along the perimeter of Russia in the hope of the collapse of the Russian Federation and its division into vassal territories (an old dream of the Anglo-Saxon bandits). hi
  47. Chaos
    Chaos 19 February 2016 11: 06
    0
    for every house destroyed by artillery shell in LDNR, to blow up a house in Kiev, Lviv, Ivano-Fr. An eye for an eye
  48. mpzss
    mpzss 19 February 2016 12: 25
    +1
    And yesterday the dill "valiantly" reached the border with the Russian Federation!
    http://ua-vestnik.com/novosti/ekstrennye-novosti-bojcy-ato-sovershili-proryv-pod

    -stanicej-luganskoj-i-vyshli-na-granicu-s-rf.html
    I looked at the map and did not understand how they reached the border with the Russian Federation from the village of Lugansk? if the border and front are in different directions !? they again confused their block post with the militia !?
    These bastards also wrote today that they were hammered by "grads" for 45 minutes, but, oddly enough, they had NOT ONE 200th, but only ONE 300th, but then the militia went on the attack, lost at least 7 and a lot of wounded!
    Yes LET ALREADY LIE !!!! Nauseous!
    But ordinary people feel sorry, but alas, I can’t influence ukroviska either, but it's a pity!
  49. Berg berg
    Berg berg 19 February 2016 13: 09
    +1
    Russia is still fighting politically with America in Syria! And about Novorossia no one forgot and will not forget, at least the Russian people! Do not believe the false propaganda of the fascist junta of Kiev. They have already ringed the whole world that they allowed to fly over the Russian Crimea and the money for the flight will go to war, what should they believe !?
  50. koralvit
    koralvit 19 February 2016 14: 03
    +1
    Why is the OSCE not seeing anything and not fixing anything, oh yes, they only go where they don’t shoot.