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A critical look from Gorlovka on the current situation in the Donbass

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A critical look from Gorlovka on the current situation in the Donbass


Despite the brilliant work of Russian diplomacy in many areas, its passive position on the situation in the LDNR raises many questions. It seems that in the information confrontation with the Kiev regime, Moscow turned into a dull defense and in fact stopped reacting to numerous attacks from the Ukrainian side.

Why are there only public accusations of the deaths of "thousands of peaceful Ukrainians", which Poroshenko, at every opportunity, addresses Russia and Putin personally. Strangely enough, but recently an adequate and tough reaction from our side is practically not observed.

When you live in the frontline Gorlovka and you know very well who, from where and where it shoots, then this whole monstrous lie is perceived especially painfully. One involuntarily asks the question: "Are the so-called Ukrainian partners already received an unofficial amnesty from the Kremlin and will never be responsible for the massacres of civilians in Odessa and Donbass?"

Today it is obvious to everyone that Ukraine is not going to implement the Minsk agreements. The extremely complicated geopolitical situation does not allow Russia to decide the fate of Donbass by military means. Consequently, in the arsenal of the Russian Federation there is only one very effective way to put pressure on Kiev - this is an uncompromising information war. Fortunately, there are more than enough reasons for this.

The theme of war crimes against the civilian population should become dominant in the Russian information space so that the Kiev junta starts burning the ground under their feet. Now it is very important to debunk the image of a “civilized European Ukraine” diligently created in the West and nail Poroshenko and his whole company to the pillory post. Otherwise, there is an amazing paradox: a gang of executioners and child-killers declares to the whole world that they are in fact victims of Russian aggression.

Our diplomacy needs to be proactive and to raise the issue of criminal prosecution of the ruling elite of the Ukrainian regime at an official level. Of course, this requires political will and full mobilization of all information resources.

One may declare from high tribunes that “Minsk-2” is our victory, but it’s not time to calm down and rest on our laurels. Gorlovka still suffers from daily massive shelling. The blood of innocent people is still being shed, and it seems that the Ukrainian junta is quite satisfied with this.

Does this “victory” suit the Russian leadership?
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  1. Don karleone
    Don karleone 18 February 2016 09: 02 New
    +8
    Politics is a terrible and tricky business. Moscow is waiting for them to devour themselves. The process has already begun wassat
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 09: 11 New
      +3
      There is a flip side to the coin. Donbass is destroyed and it is most likely that Russia will have to restore it. Hundreds of thousands of people died. I believe that Russia should have sent troops and then no Bandera would have risked starting hostilities ... There was nothing there except the Kharkov mechanized brigade, at least half of which would go over to Russia ... It was to send troops, according to the border of 1654. Ukraine, within these borders, in 1654 became part of Russia, even if it leaves them ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 18 February 2016 09: 21 New
        +3
        We don’t know too much, but there is no doubt that the junta will be responsible for everything.
        1. Now we are free
          Now we are free 18 February 2016 09: 29 New
          24
          The topic of war crimes against civilians should become dominant in the Russian information space so that the ground under the feet of the Kiev junta begins to burn.
          Dear Pavel, perfectly understanding and sincerely sympathizing and helping Donbass, by virtue of my financial capabilities, I want to ask you a question, do you understand that by throwing a snowball from the top of the mountain you will get an avalanche blowing down everything and everyone below? .. I repeat with all my sympathy for New Russia (for now LDNR moment) it is not worth starting a full-scale info war against the current Valtsmansko-Bandera former Ukraine. Those who have brains and a healthy feeling of love for their homeland, about the respect for the feat (I will not say otherwise) of the brothers from Donbass are generally silent, do not even treat hostility with Ukraine, but rather with disgust. About people - Patriots believing wholeheartedly in everything that they say from the Kremlin in general I am silent - there is a fierce hatred of everything that is connected with Ukraine. The Valtsmansky ruin devours itself and you see it, it’s stupid and short-sighted to intervene now (to shake off emotions) let the freak die out himself, Donbass an artificially freak freak is too tough for you, plus you yourself (if you are from Horlivka) see how people go and go to LDNR Gumconvoys, as LDNR goes over to the economic rails of Russia, and this is the main factor, believe me, plus Russia is also not easy to accumulate in itself a new (by no means small) region after the war, sometimes with unfortunately latent conjuncturers in the local government (remember, at least, Crimea. ..). Russia and Russians know who is who and sincerely empathize with you and not at all the abomination that you stayed in Kiev ...

          Now it is very important to debunk the image of a “civilized European Ukraine”, carefully created in the West. -It is better if the freak himself shows and tells what kind of freak he is (which is actually Mr. Waltzman-Gamanets with Mr. Yaytsenyukh-Bakai). As you can see, few people listen to Russia in the world, and therefore the best way to show the EU and the USA that they did r ... Poke their faces in this r ... (explaining that they did poorly is senseless sad although it is worth noting that V.V.P. and Lavrov continue to explain to "Probable Partners" what they did wrong to bring "Junta" to power).

          Our diplomacy needs to be proactive and raise the issue of criminal prosecution of the ruling elite of the Ukrainian regime at the official level.
          Do you seriously believe that: Waltzman, Kapitelman, Kogoan, Etinson, Groisman, Kolomoisky, Bakai, Frotman and other "Shirny Ukrainians" (Jews forgive me) will be put in the dock in The Hague? Maybe also Nuland with Kerry and Biden ??? The best thing for them will be the "People's Court" as over Benito Mussolini, this is justice for everything "Good" that they did ...
          1. Scout
            Scout 18 February 2016 10: 54 New
            -5
            I agree it would be ridiculously likened to the Ukrainian elite, it is not necessary to arrange lynching, it is enough condemnation. and we have it
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        3. Corvetkapitan
          Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 09: 30 New
          +6
          Why don’t we know ?! So Russia entered the troops in the Crimea and no one poked in and poked in. Here China has entered the troops on the disputed islands with Japan and Japan will swallow, although it will howl a little, but no more. It was necessary to send troops, and not wait until the Bandera began shelling Rostov area. The fact that the presidential advisers laughed at the Donbass is a fact that they should admit. In 1941, the USSR paid dearly for the cowardice and decisiveness of Stalin and his cabinet, it was time to draw conclusions and not repeat the previous mistakes, but alas ...
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 10: 14 New
            -2
            Quote: Corvetkapitan
            Here China has entered troops on disputed islands with Japan and Japan will swallow
            You are not in the subject. Japan does not claim the Spratly archipelago. There are no disputed Japanese territories in the South China Sea.

            Quote: Corvetkapitan
            The fact that the presidential advisers blasphemed in the Donbass is a fact that they should have recognized
            Speak frankly, that it’s not advisers, but the President that has gone wrong - because it’s not advisers who make decisions, they only advise. Or are you afraid of Putin saying something negative to say, a true lover?

            Quote: Corvetkapitan
            .In 1941, the USSR paid dearly for the cowardice and decisiveness of Stalin and his cabinet
            Stalin did not have an office, there was the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. So where did Stalin show cowardice and indecision, in your opinion? When our army, exhausted in bloody battles, retreated under the onslaught of the most powerful military machine in history - was it cowardice? Or the Battle of Smolensk and the Battle of Moscow - was it indecision? There is simply not enough evil for such "historians" as you ..
            1. Corvetkapitan
              Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 10: 20 New
              -8
              If Stalin and his administration had the bravery and courage not to wait until the Germans hit, and they did not wait in the smartest way, but to strike first, they would not have to back off to Moscow. It might not have been possible to take Berlin in 1941, but definitely it would not have been necessary to retreat to Moscow. The USSR had numerous aircraft that could inflict a crushing blow on the enemy. If it were not put up at airfields as targets, but would have been lifted into the air, at least on June 20, 1941.
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 10: 23 New
                -5
                Quote: Corvetkapitan
                If Stalin and his administration would have had the intelligence and courage ...

                Blah blah blah. Another resunoid. Only in a cheers-patriotic wrapper. Your statements, my dear, I don’t even want to comment, because they are utter nonsense.
                1. Corvetkapitan
                  Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 11: 37 New
                  +3
                  You have no arguments, just rudeness, so go to your own beer house, from which you got out and get clever there, like yourself.
                  1. Ami du peuple
                    Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 11: 47 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Corvetkapitan
                    You have no arguments, just rudeness, so go to your own beer house, from which you got out and get clever there, like yourself.

                    A man named Corvetencapitan (by the way, why "corvette" with one "t"?), Where did you see rudeness in my words? The fact that you are an ideological supporter of Rezun and any other brands of salted beef? This should be a compliment for you. For me, this point of view is nonsense. And in my "native pub" I will definitely drink to your health and your remarkable intellect, coupled with a decent upbringing.
                    1. Corvetkapitan
                      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 12: 04 New
                      +3
                      Here is a photo of a man whose opinion I share, and if something doesn’t suit you, then we can also declare independence from your beer house and go at least to the USA, slaves, even further away, but we have our own road and we are not on our way .
                      1. Ami du peuple
                        Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 12: 26 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        but we have our own road and we are not on our way.

                        With the Makhnovist freelancer, headed by the mummed ataman Kozitsin, I am definitely not on my way. Heard about their "exploits" from direct witnesses.
                      2. Corvetkapitan
                        Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 13: 03 New
                        +2
                        And the patriots of Ukraine who came to Russia, such as Narusova and the like, it's time to go home, to Ukraine, or where did you get out of there. You wanted independence, you got it, so you live at home, you don’t have to be clever in Russia. It’s time for Grishka Yavlinsky to clean his sartirs at home, in Lviv, and not to teach the Russians how to live on their land. This is now a lot of divorced officials divorced, and the Cossacks are a hereditary cause and remember, money, even if you have it, still does not make you a man. In Russia, a wealthy shopkeeper never had access to nobles and Cossacks, not by rank ... And judging by your trolling, you have no money from several accounts, stick out here, for 11 rubles 80 kopecks, for each post. Well, if they’re not capable of more, then at least Russophobic smarts will earn you a draft beer in your own beer house. And in the evening, do not forget to paint a couple of fences, Russians, Cossacks, or someone else, in the colors of the Ukrainian flag ... Just look so that it gets dark, otherwise the face will be spoiled ...
                      3. Ami du peuple
                        Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 13: 17 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        And the patriots of Ukraine who came to Russia, such as Narusova and the like, it's time to go home, to Ukraine, or where did you get out of there.
                        I "came in large numbers" to Russia 40 years ago, so by
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        You wanted independence, you got it, so you live at home, you don’t have to be clever in Russia
                        So I live with myself, in Russia, from the age of five. True, at that time my big country was called the USSR.
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        And judging by your trolling, from several accounts, you don’t have money either, stick here, for 11 rubles 80 kopecks, for each post
                        This is paranoia, dear - everyone who does not agree with you to consider one paid troll.
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        earn yourself a draft beer in your own beer house.
                        Something you often mention about beer. Do you have a hangover?
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        And in the evening, do not forget to paint a couple of fences, Russians, Cossacks, or someone else, in the colors of the Ukrainian flag.
                        Thank you for your advice, but I will find another activity, believe me. More socially useful. Yes, and it’s a pity to translate such a dirty trick laughing
                      4. Corvetkapitan
                        Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 13: 32 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Ami du peuple
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        And the patriots of Ukraine who came to Russia, such as Narusova and the like, it's time to go home, to Ukraine, or where did you get out of there.
                        I "came in large numbers" to Russia 40 years ago, so by
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        You wanted independence, you got it, so you live at home, you don’t have to be clever in Russia
                        So I live with myself, in Russia, from the age of five. True, at that time my big country was called the USSR.
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        And judging by your trolling, from several accounts, you don’t have money either, stick here, for 11 rubles 80 kopecks, for each post
                        This is paranoia, dear - everyone who does not agree with you to consider one paid troll.
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        earn yourself a draft beer in your own beer house.
                        Something you often mention about beer. Do you have a hangover?
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        And in the evening, do not forget to paint a couple of fences, Russians, Cossacks, or someone else, in the colors of the Ukrainian flag.
                        Thank you for your advice, but I will find another activity, believe me. More socially useful. Yes, and it’s a pity to translate such a dirty trick laughing

                        But I was born in Russia and it’s not for you to teach me how to live, on my land. Go to the place where you were born. I had to object to you and a city of minuses immediately fell down on me. I recognize the paid troll. It is better to be an anarchist against people like you than in the same game with you and Lyashko.
                      5. Ami du peuple
                        Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 13: 41 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        It’s better to be an anarchist against people like you than in the same game with you and Lyashko
                        You are not an anarchist; you are a mentally disabled type. Once a person born in the USSR, indicate where to go. The Ukrainian SSR will return - maybe I'll go. Although unlikely.
                        Quote: Corvetkapitan
                        As soon as I objected to you, a hail of minuses immediately rained down on me. I recognize the paid troll.
                        It does not occur to you that others may disagree with your position, besides me? Don't like the cons? Catch a plus if it is so important for you.
                        PS Lyashko something to do with it? Or express your secret desires?
                      6. Corvetkapitan
                        Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 13: 49 New
                        +3
                        The USSR has long been gone and it’s your choice, the choice of Ukrainians and the like, so live in yourselves, and not in Russia, the independence of which you so wanted and now want. These are important for you, these minuses, they pay you for fraud with public opinion , and troll from several accounts.
                    2. square
                      square 18 February 2016 14: 06 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Corvetkapitan
                      Quote: Ami du peuple
                      Quote: Corvetkapitan
                      And the patriots of Ukraine who came to Russia, such as Narusova and the like, it's time to go home, to Ukraine, or where did you get out of there.
                      I "came in large numbers" to Russia 40 years ago, so by
                      Quote: Corvetkapitan
                      You wanted independence, you got it, so you live at home, you don’t have to be clever in Russia
                      So I live with myself, in Russia, from the age of five. True, at that time my big country was called the USSR.
                      Quote: Corvetkapitan
                      And judging by your trolling, from several accounts, you don’t have money either, stick here, for 11 rubles 80 kopecks, for each post
                      This is paranoia, dear - everyone who does not agree with you to consider one paid troll.
                      Quote: Corvetkapitan
                      earn yourself a draft beer in your own beer house.
                      Something you often mention about beer. Do you have a hangover?
                      Quote: Corvetkapitan
                      And in the evening, do not forget to paint a couple of fences, Russians, Cossacks, or someone else, in the colors of the Ukrainian flag.
                      Thank you for your advice, but I will find another activity, believe me. More socially useful. Yes, and it’s a pity to translate such a dirty trick laughing

                      But I was born in Russia and it’s not for you to teach me how to live, on my land. Go to the place where you were born. I had to object to you and a city of minuses immediately fell down on me. I recognize the paid troll. It is better to be an anarchist against people like you than in the same game with you and Lyashko.

                      Bagration, Cantemir, Rurik, Rokosovsky, Barclay de Tolly, Zasyadko ... The list goes on and on. These people were not all born in Russia, but loved her and made her disproportionately larger than you. A place of birth can be proud only if there is nothing more to be proud of.
                    3. Corvetkapitan
                      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 15: 31 New
                      +6
                      You have nothing to be proud of, you are neither at home nor in Russia, not there, not here. It is not for you to judge me. You are nobody. You are not Russian and not even Barclay. I have a premium weapon, and you have dirty socks and a snotty handkerchief. I have two higher educations, and you probably do not have vocational schools, but at least have plenty of show-offs, like any retired drunk who considers himself very smart .. .
                    4. square
                      square 18 February 2016 18: 03 New
                      -5
                      Quote: Corvetkapitan
                      You have nothing to be proud of, you are neither at home nor in Russia, not there, not here. It is not for you to judge me. You are nobody. You are not Russian and not even Barclay. I have a premium weapon, and you have dirty socks and a snotty handkerchief. I have two higher educations, and you probably do not have vocational schools, but at least have plenty of show-offs, like any retired drunk who considers himself very smart .. .

                      1. Russian.
                      2. There are rewards.
                      3. The weapon is service.
                      4. Higher education.
                      5. Before a military pension of 10-20 years.
                      All by. soldier
                    5. Corvetkapitan
                      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 19: 21 New
                      +6
                      You also need to be able to lie, but you are lying and you are lying stupidly. You were supposedly born in the USSR, and was awarded to you before a military pension even as before Beijing with cancer. Order of August 3, 1998. Participation in anti-terrorist operations, treatment at the hospital - a year and a half experience. Service in the Far East, in the North, in the mountains, there are their allowances. And you soar to me that you served somewhere, fought, awarded and you retire 10-20 years ?! You need to drink less ... otherwise you will soon reach your point of view that you are a participant in the battle of Borodino ...
                    6. square
                      square 18 February 2016 19: 47 New
                      -5
                      I’m 36, I’ll serve up to 45, life will show further. Except as in the USSR there was nowhere to be born.
                    7. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 18 February 2016 19: 55 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Corvetkapitan
                      You also need to be able to lie, but you are lying and you are lying stupidly.

                      Quote: Corvetkapitan
                      You were supposedly born in the USSR, and was awarded to you before a military pension even as before Beijing with cancer.

                      My daughter was born in the USSR ... in 1989 laughing Although she’s not a pre-war pension, she’s farther than cancer in Beijing. Yes, and I’m still 11 years old before retirement. Well, who is the woodpecker with a chronic concussion? fool
  • Scout
    Scout 18 February 2016 10: 51 New
    -4
    well in hindsight we are all generalissimo
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 18 February 2016 12: 01 New
    -3
    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    If Stalin and his administration had the brains and courage not to wait until the Germans hit

    then the army would be completely defeated and Hitler would capture Moscow and Leningrad and Stalingrad with one throw. The army in the then USSR was strong in quantity, but not quality. Yes, there were many heroes, but a war of this magnitude is won not by exploits, but by the system. In 1941, the German army was stronger - this is a fact.
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 13: 49 New
      +1
      You must at least somehow argue your crazy thoughts, but for now you have only proved that you forgot to prick Haloperedol today.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 18 February 2016 16: 05 New
        -5
        Quote: Corvetkapitan
        You must at least somehow argue your crazy thoughts, but for now you have only proved that you forgot to prick Haloperedol today.

        Did you go to school? If not, then I explain that in 1941 the Germans inflicted several major defeats on the USSR army, capturing vast territories, and were literally stopped near Moscow itself. This is a sad fact that cannot be avoided.
        1. Corvetkapitan
          Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 19: 47 New
          +6
          I have two higher educations and one of them is from the Voronezh State University. The USSR suffered tremendous losses in 1941 precisely because the military units that entered the battle separately did not deploy. It was a patch of holes, a blow with fingers, and if Stalin thought with his head and more trusted reports of intelligence and border guards, the Soviet Union could deploy troops in time and deliver a pre-emptive strike on the Germans, not with your fingers but with your fist, and then there wouldn’t be thousands that were suddenly destroyed at the airfields a blow by the Germans of Soviet aircraft. There would be no retreat to Moscow and such enormous losses.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 19 February 2016 08: 53 New
            -5
            Quote: Corvetkapitan
            and if Stalin thought with his head and more trusted reports of intelligence and border guards
            Stalin was just thinking with his head and did not expect that Hitler would trample on the USSR already waging war on several fronts, having before his eyes an example of how this ended for the Kaiser.
            Quote: Corvetkapitan
            and more trusted intelligence reports and border guards
            who couldn’t say for sure whether there would be a war because in Germany itself they didn’t know for sure.
            Quote: Corvetkapitan
            there wouldn’t be thousands of Soviet planes destroyed at the airfields by a sudden blow of the Germans
            Which were destroyed due to the fact that the command of these airfields did not give a damn about the order to take measures to disguise the airfields and ensure their combat readiness.
            Quote: Corvetkapitan
            that there were no combat units deployed that went into battle scattered
            And Stalin had to each lieutenant personally explain his task? What can we say about 41 years if, already during the Battle of Stalingrad, Stalin taught the generals elementary truths.
            Your task is to combine the actions of Ivanov and Dontsov (Eremenko and Rokossovsky). Until now, however, you are getting disconnected, not united. Contrary to your orders, on the 2nd and 3rd of the day Ivanov was advancing, and Dontsov was not able to advance. The enemy got the opportunity to maneuver. 4 Dontsov will advance, and Ivanov will not be able to advance. The enemy again gets the opportunity to maneuver. I ask you to continue to avoid such mistakes. Before issuing an order to jointly attack Ivanov and Dontsov, you need to check whether they are able to advance.
            (Vasilevsky A. M., "The work of all life" (volume 1))
            So high was the level of the then command.
  • Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 13: 18 New
    -7
    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    and strike first, n

    And to expose yourself to the whole world as an aggressor? I’m wondering, on whose side would the "allies" take?
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 14: 00 New
      +6
      And you turn on your head, a good thing. England fought with Hitler in 1939, and Japan allied with Hitler in 1941 attacked the United States. So make conclusions based on facts, not on fantasies.
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 16: 25 New
        -7
        Do you think that the USSR should have delivered a preemptive strike on June 22 at 3 a.m.? wassatBased on what, excuse me?
        We have a peace treaty since the 39th. Things are good. The Saxons knead the Bosh, the Bosch knead the Saxons. Why should we harness for the sake of? Or are you a witness to a slayer?
        1. Corvetkapitan
          Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 19: 35 New
          +6
          If the government does not believe the reports of its scouts and border guards and allows a sudden massive blow to the country, then the best that such a government can do for the country is to hang itself.
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 22: 28 New
            -7
            Quote: Corvetkapitan
            If the government does not believe the reports of its scouts and border guards and allows a sudden massive blow to the country, then the best that such a government can do for the country is to hang itself.

            Which report should have been trusted?
            22 posts from GRU residencies, one from the Navy and the 45th -1st Directorate of the NKVD-NKGB of the USSR

            Given that everywhere different dates appeared? Sorge? Corsican? Foreman? The latter generally drove diso that there would be an ultimatum. But what about England? It was not yet over, and in some messages it was indicated as a prerequisite. And what about the defectors? Should they be trusted as relatives? The directive went into the troops of the 18th. And about the preemptive strike - only you could think of it, thank God. I can directly see the pages of newspapers: the USSR treacherously, in violation of the treaty, attacked Germany! Americans would be rumbling with pleasure now
  • Weyland
    Weyland 19 February 2016 01: 34 New
    0
    Reading Rezun is bad for the brain! laughing
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  • alexmach
    alexmach 19 February 2016 01: 22 New
    +1
    Here Russia has entered troops into the Crimea and no one has poked in and will not poke in.

    Yeah .. and gave reason to start a war in the Donbas. My opinion is that this war would not have been if not for the annexation of Crimea.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 19 February 2016 08: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: alexmach
      My opinion is that this war would not have been if not for the annexation of Crimea.

      Yes, there would be no war, but Russian genocide, first in the Crimea, and then in the Donbass. Well, the NATO base in Sevastopol.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 19 February 2016 10: 22 New
        +1
        NATO base? Well, anything can be, although for how many years there was still an agreement on the basing of the Black Sea Fleet? for another 27 years? Of course, in the Ukrainian Crimea, the fleet did not feel so at ease as in its own.

        And about the genocide. When would there be such conditions for him as not at the time of warfare?

        So it turns out that the bottom line is that they changed the base to "genocide".
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 19 February 2016 10: 34 New
          +4
          Quote: alexmach
          NATO base? Well, anything can be, although for how many years there was still an agreement on the basing of the Black Sea Fleet?
          Agreement with whom? With those who "stood on the Maidan"?
          Quote: alexmach
          And about the genocide. When would there be such conditions for him as not at the time of warfare?
          Do you think that all these Nazi battalions appeared from the air? They have been prepared for more than one year, and for which the question is riric.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 19 February 2016 20: 32 New
            +1
            Do you think that all these Nazi battalions appeared from the air? They have been prepared for more than one year, and for which the question is riric.


            No, not true. If someone was preparing "battalions of fascists for the genocide of the Russian people," then there would be no DPR-LPR, they would simply be crushed in the very first weeks, if there were forces prepared and inclined to genocide.

            These battalions gathered from the Maidan idiots and citizens exiled by the revolution after the Crimea. The authorities simply saw an opportunity for themselves to redirect the "people's anger" from themselves to the "external enemy" and dispose of the "hundreds" that were staggering around Kiev and the environs. And they succeeded - they have been in power for 2 years.

            If anyone was seriously preparing, such as UNSO or Trident some, then they were few in a peaceful environment, with the non-intervention of the regular army, they would do something with two. Another thing after the annexation of Crimea and the anti-Russian consolidation of the Ukrainian society ...

            Agreement with whom? With those who "stood on the Maidan"?

            Well, maybe here you’re right, I’m saying, they changed the base for the war in Donbas
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 20 February 2016 09: 58 New
              +5
              Quote: alexmach
              they would simply be crushed in the very first weeks if there were forces prepared and tuned for genocide.
              Of those who were trained as punishers, good soldiers are rarely obtained — they would be able to cut unarmed ones, but to fight with an armed and ready to repulse the enemy is a little different.
              Quote: alexmach
              These battalions gathered from the Maidan idiots and exolted by the revolution citizens after the Crimea.
              And where did they fall from the Maidan? The battalions really gathered after, but the personnel were prepared for them before, in fact, the Maidan was their exam.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 20 February 2016 12: 11 New
                +1
                Of those who were trained as punishers, good soldiers are rarely obtained — they would be able to cut unarmed ones, but to fight with an armed and ready to repulse the enemy is a little different.

                Do you have statistics or just retelling slogans? All the video and information about the preparation dates back to the times of the Chechen wars, and according to rumors they were prepared for sending there.

                And where did they fall from the Maidan? The battalions really gathered after, but the staff for them was prepared before, in fact, the Maidan was their exam


                And how many of them there, in your opinion, on the Maidan then savlitsya? A maximum of a couple of hundred paid provocateurs and a couple of hundred organized ideological ones, the rest were picked up "on the spot." Look at the same videos from Grushevsky with an excavator, how many provocateurs were there? about 30-50 people the rest is just a crowd. And it's not quite a fact that these ended up in the National Battalions, they just did their job and dispersed ..
  • alexmach
    alexmach 19 February 2016 01: 20 New
    +1
    Strongly Croats or Bosnian Muslims responsible for the crimes of the civil war in Yugoslavia? Maybe the Albanians answered? In the war in Yugoslavia, the world hegemon was to blame for the Serbs, in the events in Ukraine - the Russians and the point.
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  • shibi
    shibi 18 February 2016 09: 21 New
    -2
    again, the sofa warriors intensified ...
    This situation reminds me of a joke about two bulls, the young and the old (young - warriors, old - GDP.)
    ... and then we go down the hill and eat the whole herd!
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 18 February 2016 09: 41 New
      +8
      Quote: sibi
      again, the sofa warriors intensified ...
      This situation reminds me of a joke about two bulls, the young and the old (young - warriors, old - GDP.)
      ... and then we go down the hill and eat the whole herd!


      Associative thinking is wonderful, but mine reminds me that old people, women and children are dying there, and that anecdote does not go into my mouth for a whole year! Running ahead throwing hats in front of you is also not an option, but you have to make decisions, tough economic, financial, etc., on these blood-fucking animals! There are a lot of crocodile tears about the "brotherhood", which are covered with selfish interests of fat cats, it's time to tie, people are not iron! am
  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 09: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    Hundreds of thousands of people died
    Uh, easy. And then you agree to the millions of dead. Estimated, a maximum of about 50 thousand dead on both sides.

    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    I believe that Russia should have sent troops and then no Bandera would have risked starting hostilities ...
    We would get a full-fledged partisan war. Plus the hatred of a significant part of the population, who felt that they had been robbed of their "European dream." Plus the unequivocal international condemnation as an aggressor, with all that it implies. Plus the obligation to maintain a 45 million country, which, like Russia, would be imposed by international economic sanctions. Yes, a lot of interesting things could happen ...

    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    .It was necessary to send troops, according to the border of 1654
    And why not within the borders of Kievan Rus? smile
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 18 February 2016 10: 57 New
      -2
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Uh, easy. And then you agree to the millions of dead. Estimated, a maximum of about 50 thousand dead on both sides.

      But is it not enough, Karl?
      For a minute, 25 years ago, it was our country, torn to shreds to please the hucksters, Karl!
      Our friends, relatives live there, what can I say, Our people, Karl!
      Imagine, Carl, that mines are tearing in the next entrance and the heavy machine gun does not stop from dusk until dawn, the moans of dying people are heard there, they are crying, Karl, children and old people are crying, and they’re scared, Karl, they’re scared of animals ...
      And you are annoyed by this "fuss" in the next doorway, you cover your head with a pillow in the middle of the night so as not to hear the shots, Karl, you cannot sleep and shout, "you can, damn it, be quiet!"
      And in the morning you go out into the courtyard, start the car, trying not to look in the direction of this frantic entrance, because it’s so convenient for you, Karl, it’s convenient for you to find out the news from Grandma Kiselyukha, she emotionally blows her hands, squeals, spits, spelling out gossip about the neighbor porch and you with the thought that in your porch, although they piss in the elevator and, in general, everything is shitty, but not to the same extent as the neighbors, you are invigorated, Karl.
      You feel good and calm, Karl, you kissed the TV, Karl, you will wait for the HOA re-election, Karl, but you won’t go to them, and in the evening you will ask Grandma Kiselyuha how everything went there, and she will tell you that everything is normal, turnout was at the level, the quorum was collected and 146% were issued to the mountain ...
      And the door in the next entrance was stupidly blocked, and next week welders will come and weld the entrance to the neighbors with iron sheets ...
      Here is such a management company, Carl.
      And in your entrance, Karl, they will continue to drive in the elevator, but this is your own entrance, right, Karl?
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 11: 37 New
        -2
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        But is it not enough, Karl?
        A lot of text, dear. And you are clearly abusing complex sentences with the address "Karl". It is quite possible to express your opinion much shorter and without strained sarcasm. It won't be as creative, but much easier to understand.
        For your information, I myself come from Donbass. So I don’t need to rub in on some "neighboring entrances".
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        Our friends, relatives live there, what can I say, Our people, Karl!
        My relatives and friends live there, yes. I'm not sure about yours. And never for me "our chelovek" will not be a Bandera criminal or a sub-Bandera accomplice, the number of whom in the total number of deaths from the Wehrmacht and the carbats are coming out is very large. We must distinguish between ours and not ours.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 18 February 2016 12: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          It is quite possible to express one’s opinion much shorter and without strained sarcasm. It will not be so creative, but much easier to understand.

          Charles? is it you? do you scare me with the word "creative" Karl? From "straining" people like you are born, Karl.
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          For your information, I myself come from the Donbass

          Where is your AKC, Carl? Karl, is Mariupol ours? And Nikolaev is ours? And whose Odessa is Karl?
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          It is necessary to distinguish between ours and not ours.

          How quickly, Karl, you divided the world into ours and "not ours", you talk like a zombie, Karl, but not your head, you are a chatterbox, Karl, your shtetl destiny is your pissed entrance, Karl.
          Carl, I'm sorry for you.
          do not write in the stairwell, don’t spit in the elevator, don’t throw rubbish past the ballot box, go by the rules,
          give up your seat on the bus, don’t give or take bribes, don’t get drunk to smithereens,
          respect your history and culture - and you yourself won’t notice how you find yourself in a Civilized State, Karl wink
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 12: 59 New
            -7
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            From "straining" people like you are born, Karl.
            Hamite? Well, apparently, this is your usual style of communication, which you consider intellectually sophisticated
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Where is your AKC, Carl? Karl, is Mariupol ours? And Nikolaev is ours? And whose Odessa is Karl?
            I am a citizen of Russia, and if my country orders, I will go to Mariupol, Nikolaev, and Odessa. And not only with the AKC - trained in the use of much more serious weapons.
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            you're a chatterbox, Karl, your small-town lot is your pissed entrance, Karl.
            Are you broadcasting from your own villa on the French Riviera, man of business?
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Carl, I'm sorry for you.
            I do not need anyone's pity, especially yours.
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            zy.ne write in the porch, do not spit in the elevator ...
            You know, you probably shouldn't plagiarize from really smart people and take their words to yourself. As far as I remember, this phrase belongs to Dmitry "Goblin" Puchkov, who is very respected by me. And you are frankly funny, Karl.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 18 February 2016 15: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              I am a citizen of Russia, and if my country orders, I will go to Mariupol, Nikolaev, and Odessa.

              you are superr-carl laughing Alone, you are standing guard over the borders and most importantly waiting for the order ...
              You’re a cardboard marshal and the smell of a kindergarten zapikana spreads from your comments, Karl laughing
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Are you broadcasting from your own villa on the French Riviera, man of business?

              No, Karl, I'm here in central Russia, Karl yes
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              I do not need anyone's pity, especially yours.

              Humble yourself, Karl, or is your pride unlimited? You're not sorry now, you're ridiculous what
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              As far as I remember, this phrase belongs to Dmitry "Goblin" Puchkov, who is very respected by me.

              Perhaps the point is important, and not the one to whom it is attributed, Carl.
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              And you are frankly funny, Carl.

              No, Carl! today only you shine in the arena, Karl! Beazs ensemble, Karl, sambly, Karl, one Karl! laughing
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 16: 04 New
                -9
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                No, Carl! today only you shine in the arena, Karl! Beazs ensemble, Karl, sambly, Karl, one Karl!
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 18 February 2016 16: 31 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ami du peuple
                  Ami du peuple (3)

                  Charles! did you suddenly think that you are an immortal?
                  My experience is that the flesh is subject to decay, Karl.
                  I think that you are one of those "balalalaikas" who like to broadcast, while not confirming their ambitions by their own physical efforts.
                  Karl, if you read my APU, I'm going to dream about you, it's a pity that you're not there, otherwise the call sign "Frost" will send you greetings with a full, so to speak, set of ... mmmm ... mmm, greetings, Karl
                2. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 18 February 2016 17: 17 New
                  +1
                  Karl, in time immemorial such "marshals" were driven into the "skulls" on razzz, and you are obviously in trend ?! wink
                  a fighter, whether Exar Babas, you are burning here, for me it’s better to talk with the Giant Thoughts to communicate, then Our Boy, and you're in ... p, sorry.
                  1. Ami du peuple
                    Ami du peuple 18 February 2016 18: 00 New
                    -7
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Charles! did you suddenly think that you are an immortal?
                    By no means.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    My experience is that the flesh is subject to decay, Karl.
                    My too. In general, this is life. "Man was conceived in sin and born in an abomination, and his path is from a stinking diaper to a stinking shroud" (c)
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    I think that you are one of those "balalalaikas" who like to broadcast, while not confirming their ambitions by their own physical efforts.
                    Think who forbids you? Thinking is generally good.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Carl, if you read my APU
                    Enlighten what APU means? Military construction department or auxiliary power plant? Not the same armed forces of Ukraine .. Maybe the military college?
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    I will dream you
                    Dream for God's sake. And then I don’t see dreams at all. And so at least some entertainment.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    call sign "Moroz", he will send you greetings with a full, so to speak, set ... mmmm ... mmm, greetings, Karl
                    "Frost" is that you?
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Karl, in time immemorial such "marshals" were driven into the "skulls" on razzz, and you are obviously in trend ?!
                    Probably in trend. Forum users know better. To me, in fact, these paper shoulder straps to the star - that "skull" on them. what a monogram. I just express my own opinion.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    for me it’s better to talk with the Giant Thoughts are Our Boy, and you're in ... p, sorry.
                    Once again, enlighten, who is the Giant of Thought? And on "in ... p" - find a synonym, otherwise I somehow did not understand what this means, so we could not be sorry.
                  2. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 18 February 2016 19: 59 New
                    +1
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Karl, in time immemorial such "marshals" were driven into "skulls" on razz,

                    General! Do you want to do a corporal at a time? Smirnov does not ban for idiocy so I'll hang a necklace of skulls to you
                  3. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 21 February 2016 00: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Do you want a corporal to do it once?

                    Do you remember about yourself, Marshal? lol
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Smirnov does not ban for idiocy

                    Therefore you are still here good
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    so I’ll hang a skull necklace for you

                    The Pots offered you the rendezvous, Mr. Stookachooox. wink laughing
    2. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 18: 45 New
      -3
      Quote: PHANTOM-AS
      Imagine, Carl, that mines are tearing in the next entrance and the heavy machine gun does not stop from dusk until dawn, the moans of dying people are heard there, they are crying, Karl, children and old people are crying, and they’re scared, Karl, they’re scared of animals ...

      If you are guided by emotions, it may happen that the next day mines will be torn already in the whole house.
  • Lelek
    Lelek 18 February 2016 12: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple



    You are absolutely right. Human blood is not water, but reasonable Ukrainians on the territory of "former Ukraine" are in a significant minority. As the country is, so are its rulers.
    1. Avantageur
      Avantageur 18 February 2016 18: 26 New
      -1
      Quote: Lelek
      What a country is, so are its rulers.



  • Avantageur
    Avantageur 18 February 2016 13: 56 New
    -1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    .It was necessary to send troops, according to the border of 1654
    And why not within the borders of Kievan Rus? smile

    Because there was no "Kievan Rus" and its borders, respectively, too.


  • Weyland
    Weyland 19 February 2016 01: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    And why not within the borders of Kievan Rus?


    Because such there simply never was a country - for the term was coined, EMNIP, a descendant of Genghis Khan (Karamzin)
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  • 222222
    222222 18 February 2016 10: 17 New
    -1
    Corvetenkapitan RU Today, 09:11 ↑ I believe that Russia should have sent troops .. "
    1. Where is the biggest threat to the Russian Federation at the moment?
    - The Arctic and the Far East. There is no China - all the same usa with their Arctic and Pacific claims
    -in the heat of the moment, for Russia the military threat is minimal, it’s not strange .. cordons with the West in the person of Ukraine and Moldova. yes and NATO there is no unity .. yes and normal forces for war.
    ..the creation and strengthening of groupings in these areas (the Arctic and the Far East) require very large funds

    2. to introduce troops on what basis and what could have come of it
    - local Donetsk and Lugansk oligarchs would welcome the input ... and whether there was such a urge from them. Something like that was not heard.
    -by introducing troops, Russia would thereby itself liquidate the sanitary cordon and appear before NATO .. ​​like in Poland in 1939 .. Yes, and such political cracking began in the world .. mom don’t grieve ..
    ... Don't forget NATO launched Operation Atlantic Resolve against Russia in 2014, which continues to this day ..
    -the introduction of troops -There is an obligation to assume the maintenance of these regions ... after the Crimea. probably it would be hard ..
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 10: 29 New
      +3
      1) The USA has only a few diesel icebreakers, so no invasion of the Arctic is foreseen in the foreseeable future. In the Far East, like a bone in the throat, China stands in the way of Japan and the USA. The USA has squeezed Taiwan from China and continues to arm it, while Japan has not forgotten Japan’s long-standing enemy and war crimes against China in China, it had its own Buchenwalds ... To secure the Far East and the North of Russia you need to build a fleet ... 2) A on what basis did the US send troops to Iraq, Yugoslavia ... That's it ... 3) The sanctions against Russia were announced anyway, but they won’t fight the USA with their own hands, it’s too bad for health. 4) The USA used to arm against Terrorists are still arming Russia, nothing has changed. 5) Russia still feeds the Donbass, only now it will have to be restored, at the expense of Russia, and its destruction could have been avoided if the government and the president of the Russian Federation had the brains and the courage to send troops in a timely manner.
    2. Ural resident
      Ural resident 18 February 2016 10: 30 New
      -3
      The most dangerous threat at the moment is missile defense. I think that’s why they didn’t bring in troops, because after that Ukraine would be divided into spheres of influence and missile defense elements would be somewhere in the Sumy region, or even near Kharkov.
      1. Corvetkapitan
        Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 10: 39 New
        +6
        Right now, the missile defense could be near Kharkov, because in Kharkov there is no Russian army, but they would send troops and, at a minimum, would push the missile defense away from the borders of Russia
      2. atalef
        atalef 18 February 2016 11: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Resident of the Urals
        The most dangerous threat at the moment is missile defense.

        The biggest problem (Carl -2) is the state of the economy, stagnation and lack of growth prospects.
        Quote: Resident of the Urals
        I think that’s why they didn’t bring in troops, because after that Ukraine would be divided into spheres of influence

        she was already divided
        Quote: Resident of the Urals
        and missile defense elements were somewhere in the Sumy region, or even near Kharkov

        They will be there, that’s understandable.
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 18 February 2016 11: 59 New
          -2
          Quote: atalef
          They will be there, that’s understandable.


          Tribal wars and robbery of anything and everything will be there. This is understandable.
          No missile defense system will be there. Well, NATO does not work in such conditions.
          I repeat again: This is a buffer zone, and it will remain so. As already, it has been said more than once, "Until the last Ukrainian" ... Well, there is nothing, you can't help it, the "spiteful m-o-s-kali" warned you, don't, but ...
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            1. 33 Watcher
              33 Watcher 18 February 2016 12: 09 New
              -4
              Oh, hto let them go to NATO then ...? Well, you are like a little ...
              Recognize the independence of LDNR-great!
              We will rock the rest of the territory, the benefit of the soil is how favorable it is ...
              An American chaos-driven game will appear.
              But NATO will not be there!
              In the countries you mentioned, there is no civil war. And these "clever girls" are ready to extinguish each other until thawed, and there is nothing special to do, it is not necessary, just add oil on time.
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              2. atalef
                atalef 18 February 2016 12: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: Observer 33
                Oh, hto let them go to NATO then ...?

                those who let the Baltic countries, Poland, Serbia and Montenegro (they are already on the road)

                Quote: Observer 33
                Well you are how small

                No, I'm big and very real
                Quote: Observer 33
                Recognize the independence of LDNR - wonderful

                And what then with Ukraine - there is no territorial conflict - all roads are open
                Quote: Observer 33
                We will rock the rest of the territory, the benefit of the soil is how favorable

                Well, you're like a little one. They cannot digest New Russia, and they don’t want to. and here to the rest of the territory
                Quote: Observer 33
                An American chaos-driven game will appear. But NATO will not be there!

                Time will tell.
                1. 33 Watcher
                  33 Watcher 18 February 2016 12: 19 New
                  -4
                  They cannot digest New Russia, and they don’t want to. and here to the rest of the territory

                  So, why digest them? These other territories? Let them boil, the main thing is to maintain chaos. And not any NATO ...
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 18 February 2016 13: 08 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Observer 33
                    They cannot digest New Russia, and they don’t want to. and here to the rest of the territory

                    So, why digest them? These other territories? Let them boil, the main thing is to maintain chaos. And not any NATO ...

                    By looking at how many steps you are looking forward
                    Chaos cannot go on forever.
                    This is not Somalia for you.

                    And when stabilization begins, the question will be only one thing - in the memory of the people. what he will remember from that mess that he was in Ukraine.
                    Here read on. many remember the 90 and the USSR. But after 25 years
                    Why do you think that the day after everything settles down in Ukraine, the people will forget who and how and why led them to such a state?
                    Who took the Crimea, where did the voentorg and the north wind come from.
                    Do not judge in Ukraine according to RTR programs, firstly they have their own zombies, secondly what the sheep understand, and they understand.
                    And just as the Russians blame the West and the USA for all the troubles, so the Ukrainians blame Russia.
                    This is me about the real state of affairs.
                    So here. what is your belief based on, that Ukraine, the day after the end of the mess, will not nail its claws in NATO even after that? how today everything is torn and redrawn - how can Russia influence this?
                    I'm talking about the fact that Ukrainians will inflame love for Russia and I’m not saying that maybe they will perceive me as an absolute idiot
                    Quote: Observer 33
                    So, why digest them? These other territories? Let them boil themselves,

                    Here I am about that, Novorossia can not accept. although they promised. Do you think others do not see and do not understand? What lead to the same fishing rod, there would be the same mess and bumming as in DNLR, and at the exit --- cook yourself.
                  2. 72jora72
                    72jora72 18 February 2016 13: 33 New
                    +1
                    What would lead to the same fishing rod, would be the same mess and bummed as in DNLR, and at the exit --- cook yourself.
                    Dear, have you been in Donetsk or Lugansk for the last 2 years? Are you talking about the lawlessness of the media?
                    Pi.Si.I want to say right away that I personally was there both in '14 and at 15, and this summer (on vacation) I will also be ....
                  3. 33 Watcher
                    33 Watcher 18 February 2016 14: 49 New
                    -4
                    Quote: atalef
                    This is not Somalia for you.

                    What's the difference? Is that in the color of the experimental skin laughing
                    Quote: atalef
                    Why do you think that the day after everything settles down in Ukraine, the people will forget who and how and why led them to such a state?
                    Who took the Crimea, where did the voentorg and the north wind come from.
                    Do not judge in Ukraine according to RTR programs, firstly they have their own zombies, secondly what the sheep understand, and they understand.

                    Yes, I somehow ... I already said, the choice is made, slurp ... Not enough? We can add ...
                    Quote: atalef
                    Here I am about that, Novorossia can not accept. although they promised. Do you think others do not see and do not understand? What lead to the same fishing rod, there would be the same mess and bumming as in DNLR, and at the exit --- cook yourself.

                    What's wrong? Who do we promise? Only Crimeans ...

                    Quote: atalef
                    I'm talking about the fact that Ukrainians will inflame love for Russia and I’m not saying that maybe they will perceive me as an absolute idiot

                    But who needs her, their love? Moreover, it costs a lot ... They just need to understand (both then and now), but it’s better late than never, that so far they have just started paying, and so far only for NATO’s desire ... As they say there is no brain at the level of reflexes, they will have to think, the closer NATO is, the more painful, more terrible and bloody it will be for them to live in their under-state.
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                  5. atalef
                    atalef 18 February 2016 14: 55 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Observer 33
                    As they say there are no brains, so at the level of reflexes you have to think, the closer NATO is, the more painful, worse and bloody it will be for them to live in their under-state

                    What can I say for all your comment
                    Not convincing, but I would say wretchedly.
                    You are not in Solovyov’s program, but I know how to remove noodles from my ears.
                    Good luck.
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                  7. 33 Watcher
                    33 Watcher 18 February 2016 16: 20 New
                    -2
                    Quote: atalef
                    What can I say for all your comment
                    Not convincing, but I would say wretchedly.

                    Well, this is already from the series, when there’s nothing to cover, I’ll write muck and run away ...
                    Quote: atalef
                    You're not in

                    And enough for me to poke, you don’t want me to raise a question about your upbringing ..?
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        2. Lelek
          Lelek 18 February 2016 13: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Observer 33
          Recognize the independence of LDNR-great!


          But so far they are only cynically trying to bargain for money, ostensibly to help the LPNR, but in fact to "cut".
          (cry.)
    3. atalef
      atalef 18 February 2016 12: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Observer 33
      No missile defense system will be there. Well, NATO does not work in such conditions

      Never say never.
      If Ukraine joins NATO (and I think this will happen in the light of recent events) in a year -5 -10.
      Then the missile defense system will come there

      Quote: Observer 33
      I repeat again: This is a buffer zone, and it will remain so

      Why did you decide this?
      The Baltic countries in NATO, Georgia on the road, Moldova is already associated with the EU - the process is underway. why do you think he should stop?
      Imagine just one simple moment.
      Kiev recognizes the independence of the DPR and LPR _ establishes the border and .. everything.
    4. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 12: 08 New
      +5
      If Russia does not bring in troops, the troops will bring in the United States, and then the elbow will be close, but you won’t bite any more, and those who now refuse to send Russian troops to Kharkov will be responsible for deploying the US missile defense system in Kharkov.
    5. Weyland
      Weyland 19 February 2016 01: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Observer 33
      Well, there’s nothing, you can’t help it, the "spiteful m-o-s-kali" warned you, don’t, but ...


      And all the oaths m-s-to-li are to blame - we tryndeli us: "Do not join the EU, there will be rotten tamo!" They knew, hady, how we in spite of them let's get in! (from) laughing
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  • JACTUS RECTUS
    JACTUS RECTUS 18 February 2016 14: 54 New
    +1
    Putin again, send troops ?!
    Gentlemen, all weepers, understand already one thing, the West created anti-Russia on the border with Russia, we, in turn, created anti-Ukrana on the territory of anti-Russia, LDNR will exist until Ukraine is under external control. a terrible share has fallen, but we and the citizens of Ukraine and Transnistria must say thanks to Donbass for not letting the real war flare up. There is no place for sentiment and justice in politics, there are only interests.
  • ermalina
    ermalina 18 February 2016 21: 16 New
    -2
    Sorry for the unsolicited intrusion. And what would we achieve? World Condemnation - and that’s it. This is exactly what the United States has been doing and is doing it - DIGESTLY and SYSTEMATICALLY drawing us into the war. How many traps have we already overcome ?! And how much remains to be ... The President is building his entire policy on INTERNATIONAL LAW, agreements, etc. This is exactly what GDP proves our point.
  • Baikonur
    Baikonur 18 February 2016 09: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Don Karleone
    Moscow is waiting for them to devour themselves. The process has already begun
    Eh, to speed up! Throw some genetically modified "chicken" flu virus into these cockpits (the Verkhovna Rada, the ukropenitelstvo), and a piglet, personally - a genetically modified "pig" flu virus!
    1. forest park 86
      forest park 86 18 February 2016 10: 23 New
      0
      Yes, I already offered to sprinkle the ruin with DUST
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 18 February 2016 09: 21 New
    +7
    Quote: Don Karleone
    Politics is a terrible and tricky business. Moscow is waiting for them to devour themselves. The process has already begun wassat

    When the junta eats itself, it will devour the long-suffering Ukraine and its people, I don’t feel sorry for the Galitsians and Svidomo jumpers, the fewer they are the better, the pity for normal Ukrainians, and donbass don’t forgive children who don’t forgive the junta? apparently they promised a carrot in the form of lifting the sanctions, and they are scratching their turnips, and meanwhile, peaceful people continue to die in LDNR.
    1. Scout
      Scout 18 February 2016 10: 47 New
      -5
      what are you talking about! Not the Russians called on the Donbass to the barricades! They didn’t choose their own path. But was this path difficult and bloody, was there at least one liberation movement without blood?
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 12: 51 New
        -3
        Quote: Scout
        what are you talking about! Not the Russians called on the Donbass to the barricades!

        controversial thesis.
        Quote: Scout
        They didn’t choose their own path. But was this path difficult and bloody, was there at least one liberation movement without blood?

        but without pathos?
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 18 February 2016 09: 52 New
    -2
    Let's hope that these are the tactical tricks of our Foreign Ministry.
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  • RUSS
    RUSS 18 February 2016 10: 49 New
    -1
    Quote: Don Karleone
    Politics is a terrible and tricky business. Moscow is waiting

    We can wait a long time and not wait ....
    Quote: Don Karleone
    when they eat themselves

    In place of the "eaten" will come others the same or even "cooler"!
    Quote: Don Karleone
    Process has already begun

    What kind of process?
  • venaya
    venaya 18 February 2016 09: 04 New
    +4
    Our diplomacy needs to be proactive and raise the issue of criminal prosecution of the ruling elite of the Ukrainian regime at the official level

    The insufficient pedaling of this question is striking, you really should not go in cycles in Ukraine, but you should not miss the opportunity in information attacks in this direction.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 18 February 2016 09: 05 New
    +7
    An abscess requires surgical intervention. And if the Kremlin is silent, then there are reasons for this. The conditions for the operation have not yet ripened. The main thing is not to rush, but not to be late.
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 18 February 2016 09: 11 New
    +4
    Do not interfere. Kakly should fully choke on the ram into which they drove themselves. Only they themselves should feel who the enemy is and who is the brother. And if we force them into order, then they will tell their children for another thousand years how they did not join the EU because of us, although it will fall apart in six months.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 18 February 2016 09: 13 New
    +6
    Junta? This is a gang, a gang of small-town bandits led by overseas puppeteers. All of them are on hooks, just what, the puppeteers will leave them without the hidden fat.
    I want to survive the Donbass. Politics, diplomacy, medicine are the art of the possible. Russia is doing what it can to support the Donbass.
  • Trailer
    Trailer 18 February 2016 09: 16 New
    +7
    Does this “victory” suit the Russian leadership?


    Sounds like a bitch, but happy. I will explain my position:

    1. Crimea was squeezed out, respectively, the threat of the US military entering the Black Sea Fleet bases is removed
    2. The Crimea has already demanded so many injections that only because of the construction of the bridge were several projects for the construction of bridges in Siberia put off. Now imagine how many infusions would require the maintenance of another 2-s of Ukrainian regions, in which the APU diligently destroyed the entire infrastructure.
    3. It is pointless to appeal to Russia to engage in loud counter-propaganda. 99 percent of official Russian "mouthpieces" in most of Ukraine are banned. Why transfer funds to this. And his viewer already knows about the madhouse that is happening at the neighbor's.
    4. By the LC-DNI. Minsk-2 - stupid, of course. But, tupnyak, which Ukraine hollow daily, demanding its execution. With our propaganda - without it. Anyway, approximately in this scenario, the regions of Ukraine will be tolerated.
    5. Finally, about the frozen conflict. As far as is known, Russia helps not by propaganda, but by deed. Free gas, electricity, fuel, humanitarian aid is no longer small. There will be no big war. She from Kiev is simply nothing and nothing to lead.

    That is my position.
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 09: 24 New
      -3
      It’s good to be clever while sitting somewhere in Vladimir, away from the war. If you lived in Rostov, and the Bandera gangs fired at the Rostov Region, which would lead to human casualties among the citizens of the Russian Federation, you would say otherwise ...
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 18 February 2016 09: 45 New
        -1
        Would you live in Rostov

        It's time to apply for a combat veteran. According to you, if I live in the Far East, then one can attribute "heroism" given the proximity of China, Korea, and Japan nearby.
        1. Corvetkapitan
          Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 09: 47 New
          +1
          You do not compare a member with a finger. In the Far East, they don’t shoot at villages, like in the Rostov Region ...
          1. forest park 86
            forest park 86 18 February 2016 10: 27 New
            0
            Everything is correct. Rostov - an extraordinary rank, and demoted to the ranks of the Far East. Send troops, don't build a bridge. Well, and so on. And as for the money: in our town "in 2013 they began to build a fire station of the Ministry of Emergency Situations. With the beginning of the war in Donbass, they froze it, and it still stands. And this is the Moscow region, if anything.
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 18 February 2016 11: 05 New
              0
              Why send troops? Bury the Kerch Strait and all things. And let the Ukrainians themselves dig a channel to them. Bandera bypassing the Crimea wassat
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 18 February 2016 09: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: Karavan
      2. The Crimea has already demanded so many injections that only because of the construction of the bridge were several projects for the construction of bridges in Siberia put off. Now imagine how many infusions would require the maintenance of another 2-s of Ukrainian regions, in which the APU diligently destroyed the entire infrastructure.

      With the introduction of troops in 2014 in the Donbass, the problem with the bridge would disappear by itself. Kharkov would also support.
      And about the content of two areas - Donbass has never been a subsidized region. hi
      1. Trailer
        Trailer 18 February 2016 09: 49 New
        -5
        When entering troops in 2014-m to Donbass, the problem with the bridge would disappear by itself.


        Well no. Would add. The Ukrainian Armed Forces, unlike the Crimea, have already ground everything in terms of infrastructure in a few months. The loyal population of Russia, as it turned out, is not enough even for organized resistance, like the Crimean or LDNR. Plus, the risks were too great to get a partisan to the rear, and sanctions from the West, as an aggressor country.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 18 February 2016 10: 29 New
          +4
          Quote: Karavan
          Well no. Would be added. APU, unlike the Crimea, here everything has been ground in terms of infrastructure for several months.
          Added? They were waiting for us all over Eastern Ukraine, rallies were held, Russian flags were hung out, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were neutral, the Bandera members were still walking with sticks, they were still alive and had not ground anything yet. What did the Russian authorities expect, what else was needed? We had a legitimate president of Ukraine, there was an appeal from Yanukovych "As the legally elected president of Ukraine, I appeal to President Putin with a request to use the Russian armed forces to restore the rule of law on the territory of Ukraine." What our president said, who forgot.
          Russian President Vladimir Putin at a press conference (March, 1914 year) said that he would use his right to send troops to Ukraine only as a last resort.
          Putin noted that such a case may be the need to protect Ukrainian citizens.
          “And let someone from the Ukrainian military try to shoot their own people, the Russian military will stand behind the people, not in front, but behind,” Putin said.
          They tried, hands not up to the elbows, already up to the shoulders in blood, Donbass in ruins. Even Odessa alone would have been enough for a military tribunal for the Kiev anti-constitutional regime. In addition to Yanukovych's appeal, there were also obligations in terms of the collective security of the Commonwealth for a coup. Alas, thousands of killed Russians, hundreds of thousands of refugees, Donbass is in ruins ... Russia obediently joined the sanctions too, freezing arms supplies to Syria, Iran, everything, as Washington wanted, the owner of the accounts of our "elite". When the Yankees dabbled in Iraq with ISIS, and began to bellow about the general struggle against ISIS, we finally remembered about Syria, which was already on the verge of collapse. Why is this so? Probably because we have capitalism, and we are not the leaders and masters of this system. America, regardless of our power, Russia only needs a dead one, and our oligarchs are not in a hurry to go over the hill from the outrageous freebies, living by their own concepts in Russia, and building a kind of "parallel capitalism", a kind of "multipolar" world. How much you can win by playing by someone else's rules and in someone else's system should be obvious. Sooner or later, everything will fall into place, if Russia does not surrender its own government, there is no other way for us but a return to a renewed socialism and a new Union. The West itself is pushing us to this, and, oddly enough, it does more good for Russia in this than our bourgeois in power.
      2. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 12: 59 New
        -2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        When entering troops in 2014-m to Donbass, the problem with the bridge would disappear by itself.

        how?
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Kharkov would also support.
        sure?
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And about the content of two areas - Donbass has never been a subsidized region.

        And now self-sufficient? They said the same thing about Crimea. Do not confuse the potential with the real state of things.
    3. Leprekon
      Leprekon 18 February 2016 09: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Karavan
      Free gas, light, fuel, humanitarian aid is not enough.
      Yes, what are you? This freebie, Donbass pensioner costs almost half the pension! Or do you have information that we have light, gas, water for free?
      We pay for everything, and warnings about blackouts are already issued for debts. And nobody cares that Ukraine stopped paying pensions since July 2014, Donetsk and Lugansk began to issue them in rubles after 8-10 months, the able-bodied population without work.
      The former "average" pension, as a result of recalculation, has become less than the minimum in Russia! Because when recalculating from Ukrainian pensions, they adopted the rate of 1: 2, while in fact it was 1: 3,4, but they promised to keep prices. They held him for one month and officially released! My father-in-law, a major, and a mother-in-law, who has worked in the hospital, with 25 years of experience, who have served 34 years, have as a result of this approach as much as 6800 rubles - for two !!!
      Who is there, they give fuel for free, can they tell those who need it, where to run to?
      Humanitarian aid - is issued only to certain categories: single mothers, disabled people of group I, WWII veterans, and so everything goes to hospitals and naturally to the militia - it has not yet been robotic and most have families that need to be fed too! Other remaining categories live either at the expense of pensioners, or at the expense of relatives from Russia.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 18 February 2016 10: 22 New
        +4
        Maybe it’s enough to push pity ... Without us, we sympathize with you. But ... You at one time voted for independence (in contrast to the Crimea) !!! So why is Russia to blame now? Why not Ukraine? Why are the claims of Russia, not Ukraine?
        1. Leprekon
          Leprekon 18 February 2016 10: 40 New
          0
          Quote: BecmepH
          Maybe enough pity to push ...
          We are Russians! And whoever was behind yours, by the way, probably with a symbolic nickname, was not hiding to us, personally, nothing is needed from you. Donbass didn’t demand anything from anyone, and if he did, he again recognized us as part of Russia.
          For your information, we have been a part of Russia since the development of the Donbass, namely in 1721, which began by the decree of Peter I. If you don’t know the history of the Russian State, then bother to read at least a little bit - the history of the Voronezh province and the lands included in it.
          1. tux
            tux 18 February 2016 13: 04 New
            -4
            Quote: Leprechaun
            We are Russians! And who would be behind yours, by the way, probably with a symbolic nickname

            I do not remember that the character of your nickname was from Russian folklore. Maybe refresh your memory and tell me when it was invented in Russia?
    4. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 18 February 2016 10: 16 New
      +3
      And where do you get this: "2. Crimea has already demanded so much injections"?
      For comparison, for 2016:
      Crimea - 2,3 million people
      revenues from the federal budget - 43,46 billion rubles.
      Krasnodar Territory - 5,5 million - 184,8 billion rubles (i.e. 2 times more per unit of population).
      It’s not worth talking about the bridge - it’s a commercial project. Or are you hoping to ride it for free? laughing
      1. Leprekon
        Leprekon 18 February 2016 10: 43 New
        +1
        And he is simply afraid to speak openly about the fact that apart from Donbass, the “Ukrainian Crimea” is also to blame for his “personal troubles”, which he now personally feeds from his own pocket! After all, even on the site, they can beat.
  • Riv
    Riv 18 February 2016 09: 17 New
    +3
    What? Again, putinsill?
    1. Leprekon
      Leprekon 18 February 2016 10: 47 New
      0
      Ukropovsky gut, and rushing! Take care of yourself, otherwise you’ll leave.
      1. Riv
        Riv 18 February 2016 14: 21 New
        0
        So I did not understand ... Leaked, or did not leaked?
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 February 2016 09: 18 New
    +7
    Plusanul article.
    But what about the main message ...
    Do you think that Europe is not aware of what is happening in Ukraine?
    This is about how the West was not aware of
    what the European army did in the USSR in 41-42.
    Yes, they all know, but they just do not care, because we are not people for them.
    Slaves, servants, gas stations, but not people equal to them.
    Morlocks ... Th.
    And then, you can fight against the current Ukraine in different ways.
    For example, economic ... hanging its contents on Europe and other countries.
    Soon Poroshenko will be beaten when he comes to Europe to ask for handouts.
    It’s clear that people are dying in the Donbass,
    but Russia doesn’t have so much power and influence now to deploy
    serious hostilities.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 18 February 2016 09: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: Zomanus
      Russia doesn’t have so much power and influence now to deploy
      serious hostilities.

      That would be enough strength. But then they can justifiably call Russia the aggressor. And the money will immediately be found to keep the pants square. And military assistance will be in full. Then it will really be bloody in Ukraine.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 18 February 2016 12: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: EvgNik
        But then they can justifiably call Russia the aggressor.
        Russia was already called the aggressor for the capture of Crimea. Crimea is not recognized as part of the Russian Federation, they imposed sanctions. Above, Alexei (Zomanus), said about the lack of strength. When will there be enough of them? The situation is becoming more and more serious, and precisely because of the lost time. In Syria, if we helped on time, it would not have gone to such extremes either. Now in Dill there is one wave of mobilization after another, forces are building up on the border with Crimea and in the Donbass. All this is during the military preparations of Turkey, which, presumably, will be coordinated for the blockade of the straits and the start of new hostilities in the Donbass. At one time, 206 of our paratroopers, in 15 armored personnel carriers and 35 vehicles, seized the Slatina airport in their raid on Pristina. Do not be fainthearted by the then leadership of Russia in 1999, the results for Yugoslavia would have been different. What is needed is political will, not the number of soldiers, and timely, competent action. The problem with a coup in Ukraine could have been solved in the bud, without letting this problem turn into a monster that would still have to fight, he himself would not die, no matter how Nazism died in Germany, how "not to succumb to provocations" could not prevent inevitable war. The problem with Ukraine was solved within the framework of international law, and no United States would have dared to openly support the Banderaites, so become impudent in Kiev if we were looking for opportunities, not reasons. The same referendums could be demanded throughout Ukraine, to take not only Crimea, but all of Ukraine.
        1. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 19 February 2016 11: 00 New
          0
          Sanctions would be imposed not for Crimea, but for Donbass, not for Donbass, so for Syria, etc.
          Finding a reason for mattresses is not a problem; they have such a goal.
          On the support of Syria: under the Union, in Turkmenistan there was military unit 12543, Yangaja. Air Defense Training Center: RTV, ZRV and REB for foreigners.
          The military of Syria, Libya, Yemen were regular customers there. That was real support.
          After 91 years, there was no country, a center of power around which they could unite, receive support, protection; went into free swimming, immediately climbed in - now we are raking the results, restoring the lost influence, which, in fact, the Turks are so opposed to.
      2. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 19 February 2016 11: 44 New
        0
        I recently reread Bulgakov's White Guard. I recommend for a better understanding of the ongoing processes in Ukraine.
        It will be bloody - as long as there is no power tool of power, which was demonstratively destroyed on the example of "Berkut".
        Kindergarten, in the form of a new police - a beautiful wrapper.
        The spiral of history closes (1918/2018): until the Red Army entered Kiev, 5 times the power changed before that;
        do not laugh, Hetman Skoropadsky (in Russian - rapidly falling laughing ) in the Kiev circus (!) chose.
        Those. the circus in Ukraine has long and strong roots laughing

        Seriously, Ukraine itself, like Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, will not be able to cope with the internal problems that are fired up by the West, where they do not have allies - they say one thing, think another, do the third.
        The Bolsheviks then did not think (or rather, put) the West and its sanctions, they came and put things in order. At the same time, the mythical heroes of Krut showed virtual resistance, the rest got this very circus.
  • Avtopilot
    Avtopilot 18 February 2016 09: 21 New
    -15 qualifying.
    Now it is very important to debunk the image of a “civilized European Ukraine”, carefully created in the West.
    gold words. However, there is no one to do this, the Kremlin pro-government media are completely discredited and irrevocable, suitable only for fooling biomass.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 18 February 2016 09: 50 New
      +7
      Quote: Avtopilot
      there is no one to do this, the Russian pro-government media are completely and irrevocably discredited, suitable only for fooling biomass.

      Recently published data that more than 50% of Russian residents receive news from the Internet. And the media now trusts only one who is too lazy to think about it. Moreover, viewing the Ukrainian media besides laughter and aversion does not cause anything.
      1. denni
        denni 18 February 2016 10: 59 New
        0
        I agree as I don’t look at the mailbox for about 7 years because the Internet has appeared normal (the one that is on coupons))). I try to get info from different sources to see a more accurate picture.
      2. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 13: 04 New
        -5
        Quote: EvgNik
        Moreover, viewing the Ukrainian media besides laughter and aversion does not cause anything.

        exactly the same attitude of the Khokslovs towards the Russian media with Kiselyovism.
        Quote: EvgNik
        published data that more than 50% of Russian residents receive news from the Internet.

        and what does it mean? What is online news, what news from the box are fried in one kitchen.
    2. denni
      denni 18 February 2016 10: 56 New
      +1
      Ohh, another Captain is Dead Head. The media has no government system to ignore.
  • Minstrel
    Minstrel 18 February 2016 09: 26 New
    +4
    Meanwhile, the Tsar of All 404, the unforgettable Petruchio I, won another virtual victory:

    President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko told those present at the premiere of the film "Debaltseve" about. how he did not sleep on the night before the outcome of the “successful operation”, how thoughts of the APU soldiers in the cauldron interfered with his healthy sleep. This writes the site of Anatoly Sharia.

    "And a week, and a month, and two before this date, when the meetings were held, certain staff officers of the old style, when asked what to do with Debaltseve, gave only one answer: retreat, run. Where to run? Leave them a straight line. the road to Artemovsk, Kharkov or Kiev?
    And only the military leaders who took responsibility carried out this brilliant operation.
    One of the most terrible nights of my life went on a very good morning after moving in complete silence mode, the first units began to communicate with the message that sounded like music: “We went out,” the president said.

    Source: http://rusnext.ru/news/1455770940


    There it is, Mikhalych! It turns out he was offered to retreat - it was a defeat. And when they ran in the same direction, it turned out to be a victory.

    Petya! Lie already to the full! Say that the punishers retreated to the west, not because they fled, but because they decided: the Earth is round - we will bypass the Donbass from the rear. And only the presence on their path of such natural barriers as: Europe, North America, Eurasia and two oceans, called into question this remarkable plan of attack. wassat
  • eyed
    eyed 18 February 2016 09: 26 New
    +1
    The Russian leadership is very happy with such a victory. Since the Western "partners" have appointed the Russian Federation a party to the conflict and demand that the Russian Federation fulfill the terms of the Minsk Agreement, the leadership has no choice but to sit and broadcast to the whole wide world that we have nothing to do with it, and "the ball is on the side of kuev."
    When everything was good, it would not be good. Turn back cut slices? And who will take them?
    It seems to us uncomfortable, Khokhlov and it seems to be necessary, but it is better not to, it would be better even with money ...
    So we wait and wait .... you look, again, which plane will be shot down, which boiler will be drawn or where the thread will move, in Kharkov or Mariupol .... I think that whoever needs it works from the inside and out ...
    And even better, that in Kueva again there is a Maidan or two, but with shooting and "hundreds of heavenly" ....
    "God works in mysterious ways"...
  • RomanS
    RomanS 18 February 2016 09: 26 New
    +6
    This is the great word "freebie"! I really want skilled people to come and solve my problems for free (which I myself created by laziness and inaction). And for my flawed position, they also planted money, or better taken to the boarding house. Let Russian soldiers die for the freedom of Donbass, let them rebuild it with Russian money, because the problems also arose because of Russia. Unfortunately, many "refugees" from Donbass who settled in Crimea share this opinion.
    1. Avtopilot
      Avtopilot 18 February 2016 09: 33 New
      -5
      if the Russian Federation supports LDNR, oversees both governments, sends humanitarian aid, energy and other goodies must to monitor and control, toughly and decisively and not to allow for her, Russia, account to be enriched by local bandits with St. George ribbons on camouflage.
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  • Papapg
    Papapg 18 February 2016 09: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Avtopilot
    Now it is very important to debunk the golden words carefully created in the West, the image of “civilized European Ukraine”. However, there is no one to do this, the Russian pro-government media are completely discredited and irrevocable, suitable only for fooling biomass.

    Yeah, even our television, if you watch it, for example, from the village of Gadyukino, you will think that all of Russia is the vicinity of my village, yes, and some sort of Moscow with pop and homosexuals. And the fact that Russia is two steps on the world map, from Chukotka to Kaliningrad, many already forget. It is believed that the dumber the crowd, the easier it is to manage it.
    1. Avtopilot
      Avtopilot 18 February 2016 09: 45 New
      -6
      but what am I talking about - I don’t know how to work or don’t want to or harm on purpose.
  • askort154
    askort154 18 February 2016 09: 42 New
    +3
    Dear Pavel, you think that Russia is not waging an information war against Ukraine enough and does not exert diplomatic pressure. In my opinion, our diplomats constantly keep under control all the "tricks" of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry. And to react to every "bark" is to descend to their level.
    And the Ukrainians are leading the information war against themselves, with their illogical behavior in all directions, showing Europe their essence. This is much stronger and more intelligible than "Russian propaganda". As for the punishments for crimes, our Investigative Committee has carried out full-fledged investigations, a "White Book" has been drawn up, all materials have been sent to the Hague Court. Ukraine began to bore everyone, so it was "overshadowed" by Syria. Ukraine eats itself.
  • Lysik001
    Lysik001 18 February 2016 09: 43 New
    +4
    All this is understandable, but ...... people are just tired of Ukraine. I would not want to hear or see anything about her at all. One negative. Well, corpses of children and women were shown every day, so what? How to kill and continue to kill. The West is silent. We are dying out too. Maybe this is the calm before the storm? GDP from above is better to see what and how. War cannot be started in any case. A bad world is better than a good quarrel.
  • triglav
    triglav 18 February 2016 09: 50 New
    +1
    To judge the situation and actions, you need to have complete information. And we, mere mortals, do not have it. Therefore, all our judgments are nothing more than assumptions.
  • Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 09: 56 New
    -4
    The topic of war crimes against civilians should become dominant in the Russian information space, so that the Kiev junta ...
    .... Author Pavel Marchukov, Gorlovka


    with the dominant themes, we can probably figure it out ourselves. The comrade does not understand that the tail is not waving the dog - the media reacted to the drop in interest in the xoxy topic and reduced the presence of UA in the information field. Does the enthusiasm of a Gorlovka inhabitant mean that - riveting and frying facts? The factual material about the "crimes of the Kiev military clique" also has its limits. Enough has been written about them, emotions overflowed.
    1. Scout
      Scout 18 February 2016 10: 33 New
      -5
      I agree. We have all the facts, and they are enough to despise the Ukrainian junta and the government for all sober people. And now, calmly, don’t tell me ... Ukraine is everywhere. But you must admit that besides Ukraine the world exists. We don’t abandon our brothers But should the brothers themselves do something?
  • Elizabeth
    Elizabeth 18 February 2016 09: 57 New
    -5
    Thank you Paul for the truth! Only the truth that reaches the minds and hearts of all honest people in the world, and especially in the neighboring pseudo-state, can stop this war. Hold on guys! we, ordinary people in Russia, far from power structures and politics, support you with everything we can. We are with you, we are for you! We believe in victory!
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 10: 10 New
      -1
      Quote: Elizabeth
      Thank you Paul for the truth!

      which one? The author kicked the Russian media for inattention to the xoxlotem, gave silly advice to our diplomacy. I personally do not find anything constructive in the article with the hysterical appeal "to mobilize all (!) Information resources ...".
  • BOB044
    BOB044 18 February 2016 09: 58 New
    +2
    And who will restore Novorossia, Kiev or something. Not everything is so easy and simple. You can't chop off your shoulder.
  • cte-power
    cte-power 18 February 2016 10: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    There is a flip side to the coin. Donbass is destroyed and it is most likely that Russia will have to restore it. Hundreds of thousands of people died. I believe ..


    about hundreds of thousands of people pliz in more detail
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 10: 36 New
      +3
      For God's sake. Count the dead, even roughly. There, many settlements are literally wiped off the face of the Earth, with multiple rocket launchers. Add to this those who died from the Bandera shelling in the border settlements of Russia and those who died in the militia ...
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 11: 42 New
        -3
        Quote: Corvetkapitan
        Count the dead, even roughly.

        "hundreds of thousands" - not too rude?
    2. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 10: 43 New
      -5
      Quote: cte-power
      about hundreds of thousands of people pliz in more detail

      "Heavenly Hundred" - once ...
  • vovan50
    vovan50 18 February 2016 10: 24 New
    +4
    Here, I see, a lot of cunning diplomats appeared. As if in the end they themselves did not outsmart.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 11: 07 New
      -3
      Quote: vovan50
      Here, I see, a lot of cunning diplomats appeared.

      and Gorlovka is a famous forge of diplomatic personnel.
    2. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 12: 31 New
      +2
      Yes, these are not diplomats, this is the fifth column, with surnames like Minetny, they just from the truth simply vomited with diarrhea. They are rude, minus, arguments, zero, an ordinary herd of Russophobia, who has long had to point the way to their historical Motherland, which has long been separated from Russia.
      1. Avtopilot
        Avtopilot 18 February 2016 15: 52 New
        -1
        which it is high time to point the way to the historical Motherland, which had long separated from Russia.
        the subject of hydroreptyloids is not disclosed
  • Scout
    Scout 18 February 2016 10: 26 New
    -8
    Imagine the situation, your neighbor is quiet and throws notes under your door like "you are a murderer, you are a villain, you are a Petliurist" well, since you talked to him, two, then they wrote to the police ... and the neighbor still does not calm down ... the psychiatric dispensary appealed to you, and they told you that yes, and they gave you a certificate, but not very violent and not dangerous for you ... you just start to step over these pieces of paper, but if he starts throwing at you with a knife there you will be absolutely right answer him.
  • himanru
    himanru 18 February 2016 10: 32 New
    +1
    The issues identified by the author are a bit outdated. In fact, since August, shelling of residential quarters with dill has not been carried out (it may have flown somewhere - as an isolated incident), brief combat occur on the front line. Residents of Zaitsevo often suffer, where dill managed to stick in, but even there, victims among the civilian population are rare. Of course, the life and health of even one person is important, but we cannot talk, as in the author’s article, about the many victims. Therefore, one cannot talk about the complete futility of peace agreements - the Gorlovites live not under fire.
    On the other hand, dill use the ban on firing for a slow creep to our positions. Having the forces to throw them away, the DPR armed forces are forced to act as observers. We are no longer talking about the liberation of the entire territory of Donbass, although initially the idea of ​​complete liberation of the entire territory of Ukraine from the Nazi scum was alive in the militia.
    Perhaps a strategically correct decision of the leadership leads to the demoralization of not only the military, but also the civilian population. The enemy remains in dangerous proximity, having accumulated considerable human and technical resources. But worst of all, social decline - beggarly salaries, high prices. Pensions are ridiculous, gum. help is nominal.
  • Gennady Alexandrovich
    Gennady Alexandrovich 18 February 2016 10: 37 New
    +1
    Ukrainians are not yet satisfied with friendship with the EU-USA, and their grandeur will not calm down winked . So the problems with Ukroshtat for a long time. The United States will lose influence in the world, and Russia will gain. The process is long and troublesome, but true, sure smile
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 18 February 2016 10: 39 New
    +2
    The author is wrong. Big seen in the distance. The collapse of the economy, problems with power supply, the IMF's actual refusal to lend, the lack of personnel in the government, the loss of interest in Ukraine in Europe, etc. etc. The critical mass of negativity is so great that Poroshenko is afraid to dismiss the government. Since this will lead to re-election of the Rada and it is not yet known what they will be. A little patience and in the Donbass will be in full order.
  • AleBors
    AleBors 18 February 2016 10: 47 New
    +1
    And what kind of snot? Putin will bring order ...? First, put the internal order in yourselves. I know firsthand what is going on in the Donbass. So first get ready, and when you are ready, our reaction will not take long.
    something like this..
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 10: 53 New
      -2
      Quote: AleBors
      And what kind of snot?

      the groans of a comrade from Horlivka differ little from the bustle of Kiev about "the fate of Europe is being decided in Ukraine" due to the loss of interest in this mess. Slogans and revolutionary romance are gone. Loot is forever.
  • Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 18 February 2016 11: 14 New
    -3
    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    It’s good to be clever while sitting somewhere in Vladimir, away from the war. If you lived in Rostov, and the Bandera gangs fired at the Rostov Region, which would lead to human casualties among the citizens of the Russian Federation, you would say otherwise ...


    Dear Corvetenkapitan! And you do not be clever. Moreover, if both the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the General Staff as a whole are not suitable for you and soles. Yes, and your battle nickname is a German analogue of the rank of captain of the third rank. And since your bile does not reach Moscow or Kiev, take a dagger from your avatar and help the VSN. I’m sure you will become a marshal soon.
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 11: 29 New
      +3
      Unlike the couch strategists, many of whom, while wiping their pants in the army, saw a machine gun only when sworn in, I had to shoot a lot. I, like Pasha Grachev, did not sit out in the parquet rooms while my people were attacking. So leave your fantasies for your own kind ... I was at Kozitsyn's and carried humanitarian aid and stayed on `` safari ''.
    2. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 11: 40 New
      +8
      Not like you to judge me
    3. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 11: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Army 2
      take the dagger from your avatar

      this is a dagger, I think.
      1. Corvetkapitan
        Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 11: 50 New
        +2
        Yes, it’s a dagger. These were issued to officers of the Russian Imperial Navy as a premium weapon. They cannot be understood.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 11: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Corvetkapitan
          Yes, it’s a dagger. These were issued to officers of the Russian Imperial Navy as a premium weapon. They cannot be understood.

          “Daggers should be returned to officers” (V.V. Putin)
          1. Corvetkapitan
            Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 12: 15 New
            +2
            It would not hurt to return Peter the Great and Alexander Suvorov to Russia, otherwise it will make you sick of Pavlov Grachev and Mikhail Gorbachev, from whom Russia is sick like the plague.
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 19 February 2016 01: 55 New
              0
              Quote: Corvetkapitan
              It would not hurt to return Peter the Great to Russia


              And get another Prut trip? Nafig nafig! He simply crushed the Swedes - he was, frankly, akhov commander. But Suvorov ... now the situevina is such that Kutuzov is more likely to be in the trend!
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        3. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 18 February 2016 15: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Corvetkapitan
          Yes, it’s a dagger. These were issued to officers of the Russian Imperial Navy as a premium weapon. They cannot be understood.


          In 1956 graduated from the aviation school of special forces of the Air Force (instrument). At graduation, everyone was with daggers. After distribution
          served in Vozdvizhenka (farmers know). I didn’t have to deal with the dagger anymore.
          1. Corvetkapitan
            Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 15: 15 New
            +9
            At one time, dummies were given out instead of daggers. Someone thought that these daggers were superfluous. I don’t think so and I don’t recognize the rights of these holdmen to dispose of naval traditions
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  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 18 February 2016 12: 26 New
    -7
    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    In 1941, the USSR paid dearly for the cowardice and decisiveness of Stalin and his cabinet, it is time to draw conclusions and not repeat the previous mistakes, but alas ...


    I recommend to take an interest in the history of Khalkhin Gol and the Winter Company. They very clearly showed all the shortcomings of the Red Army. The Soviet leadership also fully understood this, and therefore it was preparing and preparing the Red Army. And bother to ask what happened in Munich and how the Molotov-Rebentrop Pact was signed. Britain's role in all of this.
    And the feeling that you just climbed down from the tree and broadcast. For Rain, maybe it will do, there are not such "historians" there. But here it is somehow not serious.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 18 February 2016 12: 36 New
      -4
      Quote: cobra77
      Winter toоmegania


      lessons and conclusions, of course, were. As well as the disaster of the 41st. I, frankly, do not understand the connection between the 41st and the xxx mess. It seems rather silly the thesis about "learn from the 41st and take Kiev urgently!"
      some nonsense.
    2. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 12: 46 New
      +4
      At Khalkhin Gol, the USSR defeated Japan. It was defeated just because the fighters that were new at that time were thrown into the battle, massive tank attacks were used. They wanted to take the sofa strategists to Finland by throwing their hats, and they got the result. The obsolete I-15 and I-15bis were sent against Finland, which had already shown their weakness in Mongolia, the number of I-16 was minimal. We did not use full-fledged combat units, because some kind of ram in Moscow decided it would be better to remove the best company from each unit and send it to the front with the Finns. It’s hard to imagine such stupidity, but it was. Horsemen, such as Marshal Kulik, did more harm to the USSR than the entire Hitler army. It was Kulik who was the enemy of PPSh and PPD submachine guns, anti-tank rifles PTRD, PTRR and PTRS, anti-tank guns ZIS-2. Kulik's stupidity reached the point that all anti-tank guns were discontinued. June 22, the USSR lost too much, and therefore retreated to Moscow. The Germans bombed the latest MiG-3s at airfields, but these planes could not have allowed the Germans into Russia if Moscow had the intelligence to order the bombing of German airfields on June 20, 1941.
      1. tux
        tux 18 February 2016 12: 59 New
        -7
        Quote: Corvetkapitan
        The latest MiG-3 Germans bombed at airfields

        Come on! And what then did the character fly from my avatar? Or did he already get an aerocobra in 1941?
        1. Corvetkapitan
          Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 13: 09 New
          +6
          Hero of the USSR, Major General of the Air Force Ivan Kopets shot himself after the Germans bombed his entire division, through the fault of Moscow strategists, at airfields and this is not an isolated case.
          1. tux
            tux 18 February 2016 13: 46 New
            -7
            Burn it again, lad, and at the same time train the materiel.
            1. Corvetkapitan
              Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 15: 13 New
              +2
              Where did you learn the motorbike ?! Have you even had enough at a vocational school, or decided that you are already very smart?
  • tsvetkov1274
    tsvetkov1274 18 February 2016 12: 51 New
    -3
    I would remove the nickname from this pack / in the photo / my stupidity got into circulation ... (not everyone can see tomorrow)
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 18 February 2016 14: 04 New
    -7
    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
    Quote: cobra77
    Winter toоmegania


    lessons and conclusions, of course, were. As well as the disaster of the 41st. I, frankly, do not understand the connection between the 41st and the xxx mess. It seems rather silly the thesis about "learn from the 41st and take Kiev urgently!"
    some nonsense.


    I would not call 41 years a disaster. A catastrophe would be if they took Leningrad and Moscow. Yes, the beginning of the war was not successful for the Red Army. Huge losses, retreat. But for the Wehrmacht, it was also fig. They got bogged down on the defensive and lost their pace. Lost a lot of personnel and armored vehicles. In fact, they moved from a blitzkrieg (where they had a chance to win) to a war of resources, where Germany had no chance. The subsequent Rzhev-Vyazemsky operation did not allow the Germans to sit quietly on the defensive and regroup, to build up the necessary resources to continue the offensive. So 41 years is anything but a disaster.
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 18 February 2016 14: 11 New
    -8
    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    At Khalkhin Gol, the USSR defeated Japan. It was defeated just because the fighters that were new at that time were thrown into the battle, massive tank attacks were used. They wanted to take the sofa strategists to Finland by throwing their hats, and they got the result. The obsolete I-15 and I-15bis were sent against Finland, which had already shown their weakness in Mongolia, the number of I-16 was minimal. We did not use full-fledged combat units, because some kind of ram in Moscow decided it would be better to remove the best company from each unit and send it to the front with the Finns. It’s hard to imagine such stupidity, but it was. Horsemen, such as Marshal Kulik, did more harm to the USSR than the entire Hitler army. It was Kulik who was the enemy of PPSh and PPD submachine guns, anti-tank rifles PTRD, PTRR and PTRS, anti-tank guns ZIS-2. Kulik's stupidity reached the point that all anti-tank guns were discontinued. June 22, the USSR lost too much, and therefore retreated to Moscow. The Germans bombed the latest MiG-3s at airfields, but these planes could not have allowed the Germans into Russia if Moscow had the intelligence to order the bombing of German airfields on June 20, 1941.


    Where do you all get out, historians sofa?
    Here's how you managed to pile up so much idiocy, delirium, conspiracy theology and complete lack of understanding in one short post about how the fighting was conducted in those years? Talent....
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 18 February 2016 15: 11 New
      +6
      I have two higher education, including the history department of Voronezh State University, and your three parish church classes are far from visible. Well, at least you all understand that, without education, retired, in your pub.
  • M.Pavel
    18 February 2016 18: 05 New
    +2
    The main idea of ​​my article is that our diplomacy does not use the main lever of pressure on the Kiev regime: responsibility for the mass killings of civilians.
    Russia, thank God, is doing everything for the residents of Donbass. We do not complain and will cope with any difficulties. But “Putin leaked” is not about us.
  • gammipapa
    gammipapa 18 February 2016 23: 48 New
    0
    Merged did not merge, chatter she won’t win the battle. They helped you as best they could, with such help you could reach Berlin. But the goals were announced by the Grandiose, New Russia and so on, and no one wanted to move beyond their huts, now sit there. They helped you to move, to change the power, change yourself.
    It seems that you have not justified the trust, soon they will block the humanitarian aid. A freebie will not Russia it makes no sense to ruin its soldiers to change your power. Russia helps and fights for those who are not afraid to die for their state, do not expect a good uncle, but conquer their territories in spite of not sparing their belly.
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 23 February 2016 16: 14 New
    -6
    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    I have two higher education, including the history department of Voronezh State University, and your three parish church classes are far from visible. Well, at least you all understand that, without education, retired, in your pub.


    Yeah, Rezun and Fomenko also have education, fame ....
    Do you mow under them?