Armed Forces of Belarus: real combat capabilities and prospects

According to the Belarusian president, the people will not forgive the government if it does not ensure its security. “Therefore, if the last ruble remains in the budget or state pocket, then it should be spent on the safety of our people, on the safe life of the people. This is the main thing. ”
In this context, a reasonable question arises: what are the real combat capabilities of the Belarusian army? And what really needs to be done to bring its combat effectiveness in line with the requirements of the moment?

FROM SOVIET CHILDREN

The Armed Forces of independent Belarus had a very solid base - the Red Banner Belarusian Military District (KBVO), the most powerful in the Soviet Union. He "propped up" the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany, stationed in the territory of the then GDR, that is, was on the most important strategic direction at that time.

In addition to a huge armed group, on the territory of the BSSR there was an infrastructure that ensured the vital activity and combat use of these troops if necessary. Namely: warehouses, the densest network of access roads in the USSR, stocks of military equipment intended for deploying the army here in 500 thousands, and according to some information - in a million people.

The date of the creation of the Belarusian army can be considered 20 of March 1992 of the year, when the government decree "On the creation of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus" was adopted. In accordance with it, the former troops of the KBVO began to transform into an army of an independent country.

The reform went in two stages. In the first (1992 year), the troops were reduced by almost 30 thousand people, their operational mission was determined, the main guidance documents were developed. At the second stage (1993-1994 years), the army’s cuts were basically completed, structural transformations were carried out, and the management system was reformed.

In Soviet times, the total number of troops in Belarus was more than 280 thousand troops, workers and employees. The concentration of military units and formations here was the highest in Europe. One military accounted for the 43 human civilian population. (For comparison: in Ukraine - on 98, in Kazakhstan - on 118, in Russia - on 634 people.)

A relatively small European country with a population of ten million, such exorbitantly large Armed Forces were useless: it was too expensive to maintain and equip. In addition, their total strength in accordance with the final act of the Helsinki Agreement of July 10, 1992, should not exceed 100 thousands of servicemen.

In this regard, in 1992-1996 the years ceased to exist or were transformed over 250 military formations that fell under the jurisdiction of Belarus. By 2005, the total strength of the Armed Forces was 62 thousands of people: 48 thousands of military personnel and 13 thousands of civilian personnel. Within these limits, the number of the Belarusian army is still today.

At the same time, the number of military equipment and weapons was seriously reduced. In accordance with the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe and documents adopted in its development, Belarus agreed to limit its armaments to 1800 tanks, 2600 armored combat vehicles, 1615 artillery systems, 260 combat aircraft, 80 attack helicopters.

This reduction was made by the start of the 1996 year. At about the same time, the process of nuclear missile disarmament of Belarus was completed in accordance with agreements reached by the USSR and the USA.

HERITAGE - TO WOMAN

At this point, structural reform of the army was basically completed. So, combined-arms and tank armies were transformed into army corps, and then on their basis created operational-tactical commands; motorized rifle and tank divisions - into separate mechanized brigades (or into storage bases for weapons and equipment); the airborne division, a separate airborne brigade, as well as the 5th GRU special forces brigade - to the Mobile Forces (later Special Operations Forces) consisting of three mobile brigades; aviation divisions and regiments to air bases.
At the final stage of the reform, there was a separation of powers between the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, as is customary in most countries of the world. Since December 2001, the Armed Forces have been transferred to a two-dimensional structure: ground forces and air force and air defense forces.

Now the Armed Forces of Belarus - two operational-tactical commands (Western and North-Western), which include 3 mechanized, 2 mobile (air assault), 1 - special forces, 2 rocket, 5 artillery, 2 anti-aircraft brigade of ground forces, 3 air base, 5 anti-aircraft missile and 2 radio engineering brigade of the Air Force and Air Defense. (We emphasize: based on the experience of the first and second wars in the Persian Gulf and the Balkan war, a powerful air defense system was deployed in Belarus.)

As for the recruitment of the Armed Forces, we stopped on a mixed principle: both at the expense of conscripts and contract soldiers. It persists today. This allows Belarus, if necessary, to put a solid contingent under arms - about half a million people.

The draft age in the country is from 18 to 27 years. A conscript who graduated from an institution of higher education serves the 1 year, and for all others the term in the army is 18 months. In addition, a contract service is provided in Belarus. And from the second half of 2016, an alternative service is introduced. Spring call takes place in May, autumn - in November.

(For more information on the legal acts related to military service, please visit the official website of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus).

A unified system of military education, training and retraining of army personnel has been created, including the training of specialized specialists in the military departments of civilian universities.
And to arm all these military is what: in the arsenals of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus about 1600 tanks, 2500 armored vehicles, 1490 artillery systems. Even after all the reductions in the number of tanks, armored vehicles and cannons per thousand soldiers, Belarus ranks first in Europe.

And Belarus and its closest neighbors - Poland and Ukraine (before the events in the Donbass and related losses) - surpasses Belarus in the absolute amount of heavy weapons of ground forces: in tanks - in 1,8 and 2,1 times, respectively; on armored vehicles - 1,6 and 1,2 times; for heavy artillery systems - 2 and 1,3 times. As for another neighbor, Lithuania, there is nothing to compare here, since this outpost of NATO does not have its own tanks at all, and “the cat wept” armored vehicles and guns.

However, all these comparisons are fairly arbitrary, since the entire military potential of the North Atlantic Alliance is on the side of Poland and Lithuania. On the other hand, Belarus is an ally of a huge nuclear power - Russia. Nevertheless, these calculations fully support the thesis that the Belarusian army is a fairly significant military force across the East European region.

And this concerns not only the quantity weapons. The structure and principle of recruitment of the Armed Forces of Belarus in general correspond to those adopted in Europe. In terms of training and training of soldiers, the Belarusian army, according to experts, is also among the most combat-ready on the continent. The main emphasis in the training of personnel is on actions in a mobile defense.

Among the priority areas for the technical improvement of the Armed Forces of Belarus are the development of air defense, aviation, missile forces, electronic warfare, intelligence and communications.

DO YOU HAVE A SWORD?

However, to speak of the Belarusian army only in excellent colors would be biased. One of its main problems is the aging of armaments and military equipment (military hardware), as well as the infrastructure supporting the activities of the Armed Forces. They are still Soviet, over time the state of military hardware constantly deteriorates, the maintenance of their fleet becomes more and more expensive, more and more funds are needed for repairs and modernization.

At some point, these costs become overwhelming. For this reason, in the 2012 year, all the Su-24 front-line bombers and the Su-27 fighter jets were withdrawn from the Belarusian Air Force and Air Defense Forces. But a huge amount of money is necessary in order to purchase new equipment instead of retiring. Today, a combat aircraft costs 30-50 million dollars, one tank - 2,5-3 million dollars. And you need a lot of such combat units.

C-300 ADMS starting complex

Poor Belarusian state can not afford such expenses. As a result, the proportion of modern weapons and military equipment in the Belarusian army tends to decrease. Even high-ranking military officials are forced to admit that the pace of its rearmament is behind the planned ones. The situation has become especially aggravated with the onset of the economic crisis.

Promoting the course of modernization of the Belarusian army could be facilitated by Russia, which has an immeasurably large potential of military science and defense industry. It is known that Minsk has long sent Moscow orders for anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) short-range "Tor-MXNUM" and long-range systems (ZRS) C-2, operational-tactical complexes (OTRK) "Iskander", etc.

In the same list, combat aircraft Su-30, Su-34, combat training Yak-130, modernized IL-76 transporters, attack helicopters Mi-28Н. All these samples were laid down in the State program of re-equipment of the Republic of Belarus for the 2006-2015 years.

But the loss of a number of technologies and the shortage of production capacities at the enterprises of the Russian military industrial complex, along with the high cost of military equipment and weapons, have become a serious obstacle to the implementation of programs to re-equip the Belarusian army at the expense of the Russian military industrial complex. This should also add the economic difficulties that Russia itself has been experiencing lately.

As 21 was told on December 2015 by the Republic’s Defense Minister Andrei Ravkov in an interview with the Arsenal program of the Belarusian television, over the past five years, the Tor-M2 air defense system in the division, link (4 units .) UBS Yak-130, as well as 4 anti-aircraft missile division ZRK C-300PS from the presence of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

In the future, the leadership of the Belarusian Defense Ministry hopes, in spite of the difficulties (its own and partner), to acquire from Russia Su-30 multi-role fighters to continue buying Yak-130 and Tor-М2 air defense systems, as well as equipment and equipment for the needs of radio engineering forces.

According to a recent statement by the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Republic of Belarus, Major General Igor Lotenkov, Belarus and Russia reached a preliminary agreement to supply Su-30 fighters for the needs of the Belarusian air force and air defense forces to replace the MiG-29 fighters that have been around 30 for years. “Having counted on what their content pours out to us, we came to the conclusion that the renewal of the fleet of aircraft, albeit in a somewhat smaller number, would require less significant amounts of funding.”

Meanwhile, given the insignificant amount of funds that Belarus is able to allocate for the re-equipment of its Armed Forces, it is not possible to speak of any significant supply of military innovations from the Russian Federation to the Republic of Belarus. And, apparently, this situation may exist indefinitely.

And do not eat yourself

At least partially, the situation can be corrected by the Belarusian military industrial complex, which, along with the implementation of modernization programs for existing models of AVT, produces navigation instruments, flight systems, satellite and satellite communications, antenna devices, radio stations, onboard and fixed computer systems, automation systems and software, as well as optomechanical, control and assembly equipment for the manufacture of very large integrated circuits.

The weighty results of the domestic defense industry in the development of aerospace optical-electronic equipment for obtaining digital electronic maps of the Earth's surface, navigation support of high-precision weapons. Unique application software systems that provide control of radar and laser-optical missile defense systems, missile attack warning stations. Currently, Belarus produces a number of samples of special and dual-purpose equipment, which has no foreign analogues at all.

According to Sergey Gurulev, Chairman of the State Military Industrial Committee (GVPK), made by him on 29 in January 2016 of the board of the department with the participation of Deputy Prime Minister Vladimir Semashko and Defense Minister Andrei Ravkov, in the last five years organizations of the military-industrial complex were created and mastered in production a number of new promising types of weapons and military equipment.

The specialists of OJSC "MZKT" in a short time developed and prepared for release combat light-armored vehicle "Lys"

These are modern communication and information transfer systems (Muscat, P-261 hardware communication booth, Citrus radio relay station, Potok radio relay station (P-429) and Lineia (P-424), portable radio radio stations P- 180 and Р-181, electronic warfare and radar facilities (Vostok, Rosa-RB, Thunderstorm jamming complex, radio navigation system and GPS Navas interference complex). Upgraded, combined with major repairs, of almost all radar stations in service with the Armed Forces of Belarus.

New samples of unmanned aerial vehicles "Bercut-1", "Bercut-2" (adopted), "Grief-100" (delivery scheduled for 2016 year) have appeared. Brought to production readiness and the robotic weapon system "Adunok". The tests of the new Polonona long-range multiple launch rocket launcher (MLRS) in June, the 2015 in China, confirmed the tremendous capabilities of this high-precision weapon.
At the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant, universal means of mobility of armament MZKT-600200, MZKT-500200 Zastava were created and put into production. The specialists of MZKT, JSC, in a short time, developed and prepared for release a light-armored combat vehicle “Lys”, started designing a domestic light-armored V-1 vehicle.

Implementation of programs to extend the life of existing weapons continues. The Su-25 and MiG-29 aircraft have been mastered and are being repaired and modernized, the Grad’s MLRS BM-21 upgraded to Belgrade’s BM-21-M aircraft. As a result, the activities of defense enterprises contributed to the adoption by the Armed Forces of Belarus about 900 units of the newest, modernized and repaired models of weapons and military and special equipment.

But, as in the case of the purchase of Russian weapons, the main constraint on the process of re-equipping the Belarusian army due to the potential of its own military-industrial complex is more than a modest economic potential of the country. According to President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko, it would be possible to find the necessary financial resources by actively increasing the export of military and dual-use technologies. Some independent analysts disagree with him, who believe that the problem of military modernization cannot be solved without modernization of the country as a whole.

And yet, as a large number of experts believe, despite the problems described above, the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus are still among the most combat-ready in the post-Soviet space. According to the deputy director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis, Alexander Khramchikhin, in the foreseeable future, the Belarusian armed forces can be considered "quite successful and adequate to the geopolitical situation."

Comments

[svp67]

The Republic of Belarus does not have bad and rather numerous special forces, which in the current conditions plays a significant role in recognizing its army as a strong argument ...

[Sweles]

cadres decide everything, we need people who can tackle the solution of, say, air defense problems. Because the protection of the sky is practically the protection of the country's sovereignty, and Belarus has opportunities for this. Something can be fucked from Ukraine, the Kiev Arsenal produced good fuel and lubricants for Strela, if such spices are not needed in the current dill, then Belarus could warm them, all the more so because there is its own electronic industry base.
They stated that the production of their helicopters with Zaporizhka Sich in Orsha will be arranged, but something is not going well with them apparently. And helicopters are taken all over the world. For mi8, they are in the queue, and even all sorts of repairs here can be earned well.
Belarus would have taken on AEK971, a class automatic machine, nobody needs Russia in Russia, but it would be useful in Belarus ...

[pilot bin-bom]

They stated that the production of their helicopters with Zaporizhka Sich in Orsha will be arranged, but something is not going well with them apparently. And helicopters are taken all over the world. For mi8, they are in the queue, and even all sorts of repairs here can be earned well.

So you're a little out of touch. The plant makes a complete overhaul of helicopters and produces Mi-8 MSB and MI-2 MSB.
The plant's further plans include the launch in 2016 of a linney for the production of engines for helicopters and cruise missiles, including the Belarusian-assembled Aist cruise missile, which may be tested in 2016.

[Talgat]

Belarusians well done and the armed forces at their level. Well, it should be - they are at the tip of the strike - right on the border with a potential enemy. One can only be proud of such allies. It is a pity, of course, that due to the collapse of the Union and difficulties with the finances of the Air Force, they are now suffering.

Just recently the first Su-30 came to us in Kazakhstan, then in fact, we are in the rear and NATO is far away. I think in Belarus the same technique is needed first of all

By the way, there was an article about our Air Force here - an interesting fact there - the modernization of all of our Su-27s to the BM2 version was carried out in Belarus in Baranovichi.

And it is only Su-27. And Mig 31 and Mig 29 remained as they are

[Mentor]

You probably know better than me in the contingent of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus. I am personally acquainted with only one sergeant, and did not notice that he was "an alcoholic and a thief and a fool ..."
Well, in my opinion, it is not worth projecting your problems throughout the country.
PS I live in Mozyr.

[Litsvin]

I want to say one thing - with the phrase "... On the other hand, Belarus is an ally of a huge nuclear power - Russia ..." This article should have started and finished with the same phrase. At one time - 1987-1990 YES, in the BVO there was a "fist" of the "second line of defense" of the OVD. This "fist", both quantitatively and qualitatively, could resolve issues of an "operational" nature with "access to the suburbs of Hanover, Bonn and Kiel"
This is without taking into account the "special items from special warheads" mine and wheel-based, with which Belaya Rus was stuffed to the eyeballs.
"At that hour, only the glory of prodkau was found." The quantitative part of the army is well described in the article - there is no need to repeat the numbers. As for the quality of military equipment, this is all "Soviet", but the USSR has been gone for 25 years - FOURTH CENTURY !!! The same tanks - yes, a lot, but with an unworn resource (the BVO was equipped with tanks either new from the factory or "recycled" from the former GDR), since most of them were stored in hangars. But then what? These modifications of the T-72 have long become obsolete against their main Western "opponents" (not even the newest ones. Artillery - cannon - 100% USSR. Reactive - "95% USSR", shells for it - 100% USSR. The same "Belgrade" - it's just "Grad" on the chassis of "MAZ" with two RS ammunition "in the back" - THE DIFFERENCE is only that in case of explosion of "Belgrade-na-MAZ" the funnel will be 2 times larger than in case of undermining of Soviet grandfather "Grad -in-the Urals. "Recently, they were surprised - they put an 82-mm mortar of the 1942-43 model on the MTLB tractor and said that there are no analogues. What is there ??? costly and expensive to maintain. Aviation - the article gives a more than objective picture. Small arms and ammunition - 100% of the USSR.
These "cars and quadrocopters", voiced and photographed in the article - is this what plays a decisive role even in a "little skirmish". Of course not. This technique is secondary or tertiary. Just auxiliary.

Well, what about the "bottom line" of the part of the "Red Army", formerly called the BVO ??? And in the remainder ONLY the firmness of spirit of our soldiers, their patriotism and loyalty to traditions !!! Earlier, there was such a tradition on the sailing fleet of Ushakov's time. The flagship signaled orders to other ships - flags with the letters "K", "Zh", "V" were raised, in Old Slavonic the letters had their own names - "Kako", "Live", "People", i.e. according to the modern flagship, it was filling: "Is everything all right?" If everything was fine, the other ships of the order responded with flags with the letters "H", "X", "T" - "Nash", "Kher", "Firm", that is, "Nash Kher is firm" or " Everything is good". So it is with us, in the modern BA - "Nash kher is firm", but it will be even firmer if you, Russians, for our gallant Belarusian soldiers supply us with good, first-class weapons from which, if something happens, there will be a real sense in OUR JOINT DEFENSE AGAINST SUPOSTAT, various "Poles, Zhamoyts, Estonians, Swabians, Negroes from the former English colonies, paddling pools, macaroni and other" variegated international "that came to our lands in 1812, 1914, 1941"

[dmi.pris1]

Well, you don’t need to speak for all the military .. Although it’s clear to the hedgehog that the armed army is not combat ready yesterday or tomorrow. This is not a matter of the number of personnel and weapons, but their quality .. And the quality in the Armed Forces of Belarus today is alas. .Yes, Lukashenko himself understands this and will not lead the country to the slaughter. That's where the blackmail of Moscow and flirting with the West come from ..

[Lt. Air Force stock]

As I have said many times, we need:
-Fighter level: Su-30SM / Su-35 / MiG-35 / PakFa
-Aircraft AWACS
aircraft with suspended electronic warfare containers
- S-400 air defense, Buk M3, Shell C1, Tor M2.
-Earth EW systems like Krasuha-4, etc.
-horizontal ATGM Hermes
-Modern Armat tanks (with regard to upgrading the T-72 to the T-72B3 level, it makes no sense since the obviously outdated dynamic protection contact-5 is installed, the active protection system is not installed)
-modern BMP T-15 or Kurganets-25
-SAU Coalition-SV.
- Missile systems Iskander-M and Caliber (for example, in a container version)
The quantity of each weapon should already be determined by the leadership of Belarus.

[SRC P-15]

I think Lukashenko especially does not bother with the country's defense capabilities. Belarus has forces to repulse the first enemy strike (it is not going to fight Russia, and it will not be able to resist it). And then ... - then the treaty on assistance to the union state comes into force. Everyone somehow forgot that Belarus and Russia are ALLIANCE states, which means that we will not leave Belarusians in trouble. And to help a lot in arming a fraternal country, it may play a trick on us in the future. Ukraine is an example to you.

[tilovaykrisa]

Well, the old man says, but in my head the thought is sitting if Syria and Donbass have not been surrendered, then it will fit in with RB in any situation.

[dmi.pris1]

This is ALL necessary first of all in the Russian army .. Everything else, please, but .. after real support for the leadership of the country, and not just declarations not supported by anything.

[tilovaykrisa]

De offer money to take on all this luxury? * ?? Russia doesn’t give it; it’s necessary to update the armament park itself, otherwise you would have to give some news to you, let them carry out a deep modernization of your armament fleet, since the Russian Federation has a lot of projects and ready-made options, here the RB and the Russian Federation must cooperate, share expenses and develop revenue and capacity together.

[DmitryK]

Did you learn all the names of new and promising technology?

[mr.grin19z]

do not say what to eat and did not try to work diving

[Bagnyuk selo]

and I’m working as a diving boy ... and at 2 jobs ...

[dmi.pris1]

If you worked in two jobs, then there was no time left for bile spilled on the problems that are being solved. Have you ever served yourself? Where does such hatred for the defenders of the Motherland come from?

[tilovaykrisa]

Well, find the third what is the problem then? Drive your Zhinka to work and find a second one for her, again hand over the bottles at night to the Sabbath in the morning of the bomb, generally turn around and have enough potato.

[Bagnyuk selo]

you really ebvnko!

[olegactor]

you probably from somewhere from pin..dossii ... Fritz also thought a lot before the war ... but in the territory of Belarus they got in the face so it won’t seem a little

[Dam]

It's not for nothing that your nickname translates as a shit village. You just troll people slowly. It's a pity the moderators of such bagnukes do not rub immediately. Go here don't serve the wretched

[Voice of the Mind]

But the question torments me all. What title do these characters have and in what charter is this title spelled out? If not spelled out, then these are just mummers clowns.
And to accept a parade for a kid (since he is the first, then he takes a parade) is not comme il faut at all.

[Bagnyuk selo]

I already wrote that 99% of the population of Belarus dreams of pulling up this bald family .. for some reason they don’t believe me .. well, well ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: BagnyukSelo

I already wrote that 99% of the population of Belarus dreams of pulling up this bald family .. for some reason they don’t believe me .. well, well ...

No revolution ultimately met the expectations of citizens, but it only got worse. It is necessary to evolve evolutionarily, not revolutionary.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Voice of Mind

But the question torments me all. What title do these characters have and in what charter is this title spelled out? If not spelled out, then these are just mummers clowns.

This is the form of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Belarus (unofficial, as I understand it), not reflecting any military rank. Would you be more pleased to receive Lukashenko’s parade in a suit with a tie?

[Voice of the Mind]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Would you be more pleased to receive Lukashenko’s parade in a suit with a tie?

There was such a thing)) So far, ChSV (lat. Mania grandiosa) - a sense of self-importance did not begin to go through the roof.
In Belarus, the parade is said so, Kolenka asked the tanks to drive.
But by and large, my question was with a catch, designed to separate the marshal generals of the musical troops from the normal military. To give a military salute to a youngster accepting a parade is a direct insult to all people who choose a profession - to defend their homeland. So I’m just glad for the minuses for my post

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Voice of Mind

To give a military salute to a youngster accepting a parade is a direct insult to all people who choose a profession - to defend their homeland. So I’m just glad for the minuses for my post

And where is it written in the charter that a military greeting should be given only to people with gray hair? In Russia, on May 9 Victory Day parade, on the rostrum in Red Square, their grandchildren and great-grandchildren are sitting with the veterans, and that all the military who march should not give military greetings because of this? Or maybe, in your understanding, children are second-class people, or do you not consider them to be people at all?

[Bagnyuk selo]

baaaa .. and there’s a little blue stump ... gebnya ay was spotted .... probably a vakulik kolkhokh geek .... drogichinsky senile and anusoblizun ... and he is there too? nifigaseee .... gebnyu we will bring down first of all scum!

[DmitryK]

As long as the parades there are hosted by a child in a carnival costume, these troops cannot be called anything but amusing ....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: DmitryK

As long as the parades there are hosted by a child in a carnival costume, these troops cannot be called anything but amusing ....

I see regular cadets on the street in camouflage uniforms and what, are they clowns too?

[DmitryK]

They are in the form of cadets. They deserved her right to be admitted to the appropriate educational institution, the insignia of the boys cause respect.

[siberalt]

One BR is nothing. And to be someone's buffer zone is not forbidden, for that and "salary". Maybe Kolya's receiver will be smarter than the old man and will unite the BR with a single people. If the enemy, then common. What should we share then? Wait and see.

[dchegrinec]

If we want our neighbors to be with us, then Russia just needs to be strong on the world stage. Syria is a wonderful exam and we are holding this exam so far. Belarus looking at the power of Russia will certainly be with us as well as other neighboring countries. They always run from the weak ..

[dmi.pris1]

Not quite so .. It's all about money .. And Lukashenko's ally is still the one who gives more, so he will be friends. All talks about an alliance begin when Belarus runs out of money, Moscow does not give, blackmail begins. Fifteen years ago two air regiments were withdrawn from the Smolensk region, along with air defense and infrastructure, and a lot more, Luka promised to cover it in case of anything .. Time has shown that they are hoping for an "ally" this is rash-Lukashenko is just a weather vane. And the Armed Forces of Belarus simply cannot withstand a remote strike. . Well, no need to talk about bad. Soon a holiday, congratulations guys!

[yuriy55]

Quote: dmi.pris

Not really .. It's all about the money ..

You throw these retelling of paid media and thoughts at the entrance of Rospotrebnadzor ... The curve of the economy built according to the capitalist principle does not allow business partners to embrace each other in a tight embrace to avoid mutual strangulation ...
Belarusians are blood brothers for us (my good colleagues) and I will never agree with a blasphemy towards them.

[dmi.pris1]

I do not blaspheme the Belarusian people, I lived with them for more than forty years in Smolensk .. I’m talking about the policy of the Belarusian president, look at his decisions on Ossetia and Abkhazia, and in relation to Ukraine .. What does Rospotrebnadzor have to do with it? the armed forces and actions of this ally — which run counter to Kremlin policies.

[olegfbi]

Talk about the armed forces and actions of this ally — which run counter to Kremlin policies.

I don’t think so!
More likely I think the joint game of Moscow and Minsk. Most likely a game of a strategic nature. All the twists of Minsk, in my opinion, are more like probing the position / reaction of Europeans and collecting political information.
You and I see only "external splashes", and if we try to analyze the small details, it turns out that the actions and policies of Minsk are very good for the good of the Russia-Belarus union.
From the little things pointing to the ALLIANCE policy:
- The customs officers and border guards of Belarus treat Russian citizens super loyally, as their own and even more;
- Inside Belarus, Russian citizens (at least myself personally) feel at home;
- Lukashenko is skiing in Krasnaya Polyana, together with Shoigu and Medvedev.

[dmi.pris1]

Well, God forbid that it would be like this. Politics is not a public thing, for example, the decisions on the Russian airbase in Belarus, they probably decided not to provoke "partners" ugh ... the word is what ... But this is a joint skating of the whole Lukashenko family, along with the guards and with our leaders noticeably tire the residents of Sochi. Do not pass, do not drive, they block for half a day. I say again that the Belarusians are a brotherly people, I saw it perfectly in my small homeland in Smolensk, now I live in the Kuban ..

[olegfbi]

Do not pass, do not drive-block for half a day.

You know, I also do not at all enjoy being in a "traffic jam" in Moscow when the roads for the passage of the highest officials of Russia and other states are blocked! However, I try to treat this philosophically, because I understand that there is a concept of Security and the Bearer of the highest state. secrets.

[siberalt]

And what is there to choose? Or the Russian Federation or NATO. In an independent, as in Caucasian Georgia, as it were decided, but do not take. And now they don’t know what to do with the Turks.

[huginn]

More recently, one could say:
- Customs officers and border guards of Ukraine treat Russian citizens super loyally, as their own and even more;
- Inside Ukraine, Russian citizens (at least I personally) feel at home;

[olegfbi]

Customs officers and border guards Ukraine treat Russian citizens super loyally, as their own and even more;

That was NEVER!

[dmi.pris1]

That's it, they behaved like dives ..

[rlanry]

Primitive conspiracy theology, in the style of “without us, all the bosses decide to think the kule. And this notorious union in fact is the rudiment of the USSR in the form of a brash national republic milking the metropolis. In fact, the mother country pays RB - benefits, subsidies, market access, etc. Question: for what, actually? What is the strength of this union of Russia and Belarus?
So far, for us, I see only losses. In all respects.

[ferro4]

the Kremlin has never consulted with its only ally before taking action against Georgia or Ukraine. what kind of support are you talking about? these events directly contradict the national interests of Belarus

[avt]

Quote: dmi.pris

..And Lukashenka's ally is still the one who will give more, so he will be friends. All talks about an alliance begin when Belarus runs out of money, Moscow does not give, blackmail begins. Fifteen years ago, two air regiments were withdrawn from the Smolensk region together with Air defense and infrastructure and a lot of other things - Luka promised to cover it in case of anything .. Time has shown that they hope for an "ally" is rash - Lukashenko is just a weather vane. And the Armed Forces of Belarus simply cannot withstand a remote strike.

Well, something like this. Again, the article just noticed

Poor Belarusian state can not afford such expenses. As a result, the proportion of modern weapons and military equipment in the Belarusian army tends to decrease. Even high-ranking military officials are forced to admit that the pace of its rearmament is behind the planned ones. The situation has become especially aggravated with the onset of the economic crisis.

Become us Bake army re-equip? And it is necessary in the light of the above stated and muddy prospects in the part of the execution by the national divisions of orders and instructions of CSTO command and control structures within the framework of this very CSTO? All one, every head of the state will steer himself, without regard to this command of the CSTO. This is how much real technology we will exhaust to the state of toys for Kolya then?

Quote: yuriy55

.. The curve of the economy built on a capitalist principle does not allow business partners to embrace each other in a tight embrace to avoid mutual strangulation ...

Well, then, in general, without detailing, I agree

[Olezhek]

Become us Bake army re-equip? And it is necessary in the light of the above stated and muddy prospects in the part of the execution by the national divisions of orders and instructions of CSTO command and control structures within the framework of this very CSTO? All one, every head of the state will steer himself, without regard to this command of the CSTO. This is how much real technology we will exhaust to the state of toys for Kolya then?

It is well said, the problem is precisely this: if the CSTO, for example, defends Belarus, then Lukashenko is FOR! (And with reservations)
In any other situations, the father will most likely prefer to sit out in the potato field.
So supplying new equipment to the army of the Republic of Belarus at its own expense is a very ambiguous action.
And then there will be conversations that we are "peaceful people", that we do not want to "claw" with anyone. Unfortunately, this is all very familiar.

-Luka promised to cover up if something happens .. Time has shown that they are hoping for an "ally" this is rash

Well, something like that - he does not inspire confidence.

[allim]

Old Man and here shows himself a zealous owner.

[Jarilo]

What prevents us from uniting? Or who? Is personal above common?

[yuriy55]

Quote: Jarilo

What prevents us from uniting?

We are nobody ... The wealthy of both sides will have to more carefully hide the pieces "smashed" from the general budget

[ferro4]

and with whom should we unite? with Caucasians and other gangsters-officials-olgarhs? we have enough of our crooks. first create a normal society in yourself - not a criminal oligarchic

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: ferro4

and with whom should we unite?

No offense and lies, but on equal terms unite with equals - But father with his population of less than 50% of Moscow and the intellectual potential at the level of the collective farm chairman can not even dream of any significant role in the leadership of the united state, that's why he doesn’t unites - cares for the well-being and authority of only one's own priests, an egoist

Quote: ferro4

first create a normal society

Yes, it's better than yours, personally compared

[dmi.pris1]

Well..Belarusian society will be better than Moscow. Take one fact, try to negotiate with local gay-daisniki .. How many seconds will they handcuff you? Everything is clean, cleaned, there are no traffic jams ..

[turt]

Well, actually they have all the fields sown. Products according to Gost normal release. I always buy Belarusian milk.

[DmitryK]

In Russia, all suitable fields are also seeded. In our Urals, yes, they don’t want to sow, it is doubtful. There are no crop guarantees.

[Jarilo]

It sounds like who should be protected, first deal with your gangsters-officials-oligarchs in power. Of course, it is necessary to understand, but the statement of the question itself is like an excuse. It was not us who divided, but those very oligarch officials, which means you are pouring water into their mill.

[Jarilo]

It sounds like who should be protected, first deal with your gangsters-officials-oligarchs in power. Of course, it is necessary to understand, but the statement of the question itself is like an excuse. It was not us who divided, but those very oligarch officials, which means you are pouring water into their mill.

[rlanry]

AHL, of course. Belarus has already received everything that Russia can give without giving anything in return.

[Nikoha.2010]

Happy Defender of the Fatherland! Hello Bulbasham! Glory to the Airborne Forces!

[ferro4]

so easily- and like insulting an entire nation. Who asked about the union?

[dmi.pris1]

Well, why are you so .. Calm, hardworking people .. And to poste something on another site.

[aszzz888]

“Therefore, if the last ruble remains in the state budget or pocket, then it should be spent on the security of our people, on the safe life of the people. This is the main thing. ”

Speaking beautifully and doing is not the same thing.

[Boos]

While Old Man is in power, Belarus will be a tough nut for the West.

[rlanry]

That is why this "tough nut" does not miss the slightest reason to "improve relations with the West."

[Boos]

He, unlike some Kremlin figures, does not buy US debt.

[DmitryK]

While Russia is a toughie, the West generally notices Belarus.

[yuriy55]

Well, fine. Let it be difficult with the acquisition of weapons, though not everything turns out as we would like, but thoughts:

According to the Belarusian president, the people will not forgive the government if it does not ensure its security. “Therefore, if the last ruble remains in the budget or state pocket, then it should be spent on the safety of our people, on the safe life of the people. This is the main thing. ”

right ...

[dmi.pris1]

Of course, the Belarusian president serves primarily his people, not his allied commitments .. There are no funds in the budget of Belarus to create combat-ready in the modern sense of the word. And therefore, in case of a mess, Lukashenko will not lead the country to a slaughter, it can be understood .. It’s not clear the decision on the actual disarmament of the border Smolensk region, up to Moscow 400 versts, nothing .. Although it is clear, it was adopted by a stool .. But where was the president?

[Olezhek]

Of course, the Belarusian president serves primarily his people, not allied commitments ..

1 Sounds undoubtedly touching, but the only thing he cares about is maintaining personal power.
2 If the Belarusian president, in principle, is not going to fulfill allied obligations - why do we need such an ally?

There is no money for the creation of a battle-worthy in the modern sense of the word in the budget of Belarus. And therefore, in the case of a brawl, Lukashenko will not lead the country to the slaughter, you can understand it

And who will ask him? - otdemokratiziruyut and prjuvet!

[nrex]

In support of the combat readiness of the Belarusian Armed Forces, the financial contribution of the Russian Federation is not small. But it's worth it.

[52]

Say what you like, but Belarusians are good neighbors, it is not in our interests to have a weakened army. In general, the state is obliged to maintain its own armed forces to the best of their budget, and the Bulbashs are a normal example.

[DmitryK]

In the conditions of the modern world, Belarus, like many European countries, is not an independent state, a separate territory,

[Kostya Andreev]

go go idler. Come in any part and say in person that

Quote: BagnyukSelo

and the military herd will scatter the moment for all the alcohol and thieves and fools ...

[31rus]

Dear, old songs about the main thing, for me personally all these conversations are empty talk, there should have been one strategy for the development of the Armed Forces of Russia and Belarus for a long time, one field of air defense, general command, respectively, and development should go in one direction, everything else is speculation

[Rurikovich]

I agree. In my opinion, this is happening now. How many times must I say that people would believe that relations are developing in accordance with the Treaties and common sense !? But no. All the same, you get chatter about the fact that Lukashenko does not recognize Abkhazia, then he looks to the west, then Belarus has a small and old army. then diarrhea, then scrofula ...
There is a specific country, there is international law, according to which, for a number of reasons, this country has a kind of independence, and, consequently, its own vision of this world. This country is to decide whether to recognize someone or not to recognize someone. We decided in the country to be politically neutral from this point of view - that's it, we don't recognize anyone. Neither Abkhazia and South Ossetia, nor KOSOVO! This is politics! Here the principle is "do no harm" to yourself in relations with others. That is bad. Or is this the only indicator of loyalty ??!
There is a concept of economics. We are a fragment of the once Great country, which had a common economy and ties. We have preserved what remains, and this is tied to Russia. The consequence was the Union State (this is a purely economic formation), a bunch of Agreements with the Russian Federation, which show WHERE REALLY ORGANIZED BELARUS! What other evidence is needed? Observe the Agreement, coordinate them in time, work and that's it. What is not clear here? And each has its own nuances. Some can compensate for certain problems by selling what they have, others cannot and are forced to look for other options. Why doesn’t anyone see this! All Lukashenko ... and zdradnik and looks to the West ... It turns out that he is really blind and does not see the real situation? He sees. But only there are amendments with an eye to recognized by all independence. And this is politics.
Military. The military among themselves will somehow agree without snotty clues from the outside. Again, there are treaties within the framework of a union state, and separately from this, adjusted for politics and economy. The equipment that a country can afford depends on the capabilities of the economy. And there were pre-crisis times around 07-08, when we allowed ourselves to specifically rearm, and now we are doing what we can do. But again, the article of the next analyst is thrown away and the tracking begins ...
I completely agree with you.
The dog said it because he was tired of reading stupid things and comments of people who can’t look wider, but how sheep repeat a phrase without the slightest analysis with their own mind. You need to look at the problem more widely, then it becomes understandable and ceases to be a problem

[avt]

Quote: Rurikovich

Anyway, you get a chatter about the fact that Lukashenko does not recognize Abkhazia, then he looks to the west, then Belarus has a small and old army. then diarrhea, then scrofula ...

Here, after all, what business is it, well, he did not recognize it and it was not fatal. But who pulled him by the tongue? Why did I shout to the whole World - I know! The word is not a sparrow, all the more so for a public politician and even more so for the head of an independent state, who again and again inserts "say state" After all, like that partners, other leaders, they also make their speeches taking into account the statements of a colleague. Should they perceive their counterpart in such somersaults? Well, to put it mildly, and even more so when it comes to such things as joint security, such as who is talking about what, and I mean the air base.

Quote: Rurikovich

There is a concept of economics.

It exists and in practice took shape not in

Quote: Rurikovich

. The consequence was the Union State (this is a purely economic entity),

whose declaration ended with nothing and a bunch of bureaucrats, but the signing and organization of the EAEU, where business is nothing personal and no politics, as the NAS proclaimed. There is NO even a single means of payment, about which Batska again broadcast for the "state government". For quite understandable, predictable reasons, which I constantly repeat, and the main thing is that THE SIRS IN THE KREMLIN WILL NOT AGREE ABOUT A SINGLE EMISSION CENTER.

Quote: Rurikovich

! All Lukashenko ... and zdradnik and looks to the West ... It turns out that he is really blind and does not see the real situation? He sees. But only there are amendments with an eye to recognized by all independence. And this is politics.

Well, in short - yes.

Quote: Rurikovich

Military. The military among themselves will somehow agree without snotty clues from the outside.

Without political leadership and the commander in chief in a particular case, Butsky! ??? Yes, actually then it will be an armed rebellion with the seizure of power by the junta, well, what used to happen regularly in Latin America and Greece in Europe.

[avt]

Quote: Rurikovich

. Observe the Agreement, coordinate them in time, work and that's it. What is not clear here?

Well, yes, something like that. What is actually meant in bilateral interstate and multilateral relations, in our case it is the EAEU - a cartel conspiracy and the CSTO - an indistinct jelly. But where does the “union state” belong? I don’t understand God.

Quote: Rurikovich

. We need to look at the problem more widely, then it becomes understandable and ceases to be a problem.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: avt

Well, yes, something like that. What is actually meant in bilateral interstate and multilateral relations, in our case it is the EAEU - a cartel conspiracy and the CSTO - an indistinct jelly. But where does the “union state” belong? I don’t understand God.

So if this is correct, it is so necessary to WORK so that these very agreements (or other attempts to build at least some kind of relationship) are really viable, and not at the level of ranting. Sometimes you need to give in to one, and sometimes you need to put yourself in the place of the former to the others. Not without this ... Again, it is necessary to consider the possibilities of economies, and politics always pokes its nose But if you do nothing, nothing will happen

[Rurikovich]

Quote: avt

Here, after all, what business is it, well, he did not recognize it and it was not fatal. But who pulled him by the tongue? Why did I shout to the whole World - I know! The word is not a sparrow, all the more so for a public politician, and even more so for the head of an independent state, who once again inserts “say statehood” After all, like that partners, other leaders, they also make their speeches taking into account the statements of a colleague. to them to perceive their counterpart with such somersaults?

So tea is not a robot, but an ordinary person Emotions are not alien to him either, and every time I want to be on a horse Personally, I am also not enthusiastic about a number of statements, but this is not a reason to pull out one thing and do a discussion on this

Quote: avt

Without political leadership and the commander in chief in a particular case, Butsky! ???

Nah, without sofa experts

[avt]

Quote: Rurikovich

So tea is not a robot, but an ordinary person

The fact that a person and everything human is not alien - is understandable, BUT - noblesse oblige, but he is not Zhirinovsky and not a deputy of the State Duma, and

Quote: Rurikovich

but this is not a reason to pull out one thing

if ,, one "and clearly in the same direction, and then it carries it constantly and .... multi-vector. I beautifully bent it

[Rurikovich]

Quote: avt

.... multi-vector.

So this is exaggerated in our media. It is believed that this is a sign of independence ... True, rather political ...
That's why they are politicians
But I know one thing - do not worry! We are wholly and completely economically tied to Russia, so that if he doesn’t speak there, he will have to do exactly what to somehow keep the country afloat. Well, if the adversaries do not give him a choice, then don’t hesitate - wipe the snot and make the right choice. Monuments are not yet demolished and the language is still state
PS Yes, and you should, given the sensitive internal organization of our authorities (especially with regards to independence so cherished by them), be relaxed with your demands For it is easy to frighten away, but it is difficult to draw back

[avt]

Quote: Rurikovich

So this is exaggerated in our media. It is believed that this is a sign of independence ... True, rather political ...

Independence and multi-vector nature are essentially different and even incompatible in most cases. Earlier, when the world was really bipolar in terms of confrontation between two ideological systems, one could glorify and sit out in the club of non-aligned states, which was headed by Josip Broz Tito. Now this is not a political choice, but an attempt to grab a couple of pieces from different sides and slip between Naturally, we are not talking about giants like India, China and other Brazil, we are talking about small states that, by analogy with Sweden, and even more so Switzerland, established by the way in this status by Emperor Alexander No. 1, hide behind the declaration of neutrality. It was then that such a club of non-aligned states saved many from outright aggression within the framework of international law and the UN. Today, it is more about the fight against ONE pole, which has satellites of varying degrees of proximity and sacrifice, and in which this very "pole" individually decides according to its own at the discretion of who is to be a satellite today, and which of them to be transferred to the status of a victim, without any regard for the "antiquity of the family" and the tenderness of the quivering national consciousness. And in this objective reality in which, with the coolness of a butcher, this "pole" cuts the Levant and Ukraine, and now he took up Europe

Quote: Rurikovich

Yes, and you should, given the sensitive internal organization of our authorities (especially with regards to independence so cherished by them) be softer with your demands

“Our Demands” are patient admonitions of a kind kindergarten teacher of a capricious child who does not want to eat semolina at breakfast for dad, for mom and crying for chips and coca-cola. fish ", and necessarily until the end and the final of the return of the old man, well, after the sounding of the next demands of the old woman to the goldfish, loudly out loud.

[sq]

Quote: avt

"Our Demands" - patient admonitions of a kind teacher

More often it seems like a drunk stoned brother from the 90s who decided to show off on a hard worker

[avt]

Quote: kvm

who decided to show off on a hard worker

"The hard worker" in the person of Butler is more like Panikovsky from the Golden Calf "similar to the chant" Give a million ", which he actually performed recently in Sochi. Again, they stole weights - independence was declared and you don't know what to do with them, that's "saw" in the hope that they are golden, but they are chu-gun-e. They need to exercise - swing the mice, and even know how, so as not to overstrain, so he overstrained in his "Belarusian economic miracle" in dreams to become the "mistress of the sea", so that everything would be on the parcels. So drink to ensure that your opportunities coincide with your desires. Well, when you have the opportunity to buy a goat, do not take money on credit to buy a house, and even under the foreign exchange mortgage program.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: avt

and now he has taken up Europe

Do you feel sorry for Europe ?? I personally do not

Quote: avt

But Batske needs to reread Pushkin at night - "The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish", and it is obligatory until the end and the final of the old man's return

Maybe I read it. But for some reason I’m sure that Lukashenko and Putin know more than you and me, that they have frayed everything for a long time and made conclusions on how to live better in today's realities ...

Quote: avt

“Our Demands” are patient admonitions of a kind kindergarten teacher of a capricious child who does not want to eat semolina at breakfast for dad, for mom and shoutingly demanding chips and coca cola.

this is us, sitting at the computer, we are reasoning like this, and solving global problems, even in banal relations between countries, all the nuances are taken into account. so this simple trivial comparison is useless
I have said more than once that politics is politics, and real relations are built on the economy. And if you are really interested in knowing those signs that will really speak of a crisis in relations, it will be the closure of borders, the severing of ties, general nationalization with the ensuing consequences. As a result, you get a new "Ukraine" or the Baltics, we actually get the impoverishment of the people, migration, economic collapse, oligarchy and God forbid some kind of war or massacre) ... Question - do you need this? We don't. Therefore, pay less attention to politics, and more to the real state of affairs.
They will agree among themselves ... Tea is not small and they understand what can be reached because of their own ambitions
PS. I repeat, you have more opportunities to overcome the crisis, and we practically do not have them, and therefore you should not be trivial to use the moment and shout about betrayal. we just want to survive

[avt]

Quote: Rurikovich

Do you feel sorry for Europe ?? I personally do not

Yes, and I feel like violet, I feel sorry for the Serbs - they really were torn with blood, and these, well, who put on skirts in protest ... Yes and ....

Quote: Rurikovich

... And if you are really interested in knowing the signs that will really speak of a crisis in relations, it will be the closure of borders, the severing of ties, widespread nationalization with the ensuing consequences. As a result, you get a new "Ukraine" or the Baltic states, we actually get the impoverishment of the people, migration, economic collapse, oligarchy and God forbid some kind of war or massacre) ...

So I wrote more than once about such a forecast in the event of the continuation of the “Belarusian economic miracle” with overstated Batski's wishes.

Quote: Rurikovich

I repeat, you have more opportunities to overcome the crisis, but we practically do not have them,

You alone - no, together, but without overstated claims - yes easily.

Quote: Rurikovich

It’s commonplace to use the moment and shout about b cheating.

I, "for treason," like I have never written anywhere.

Quote: Rurikovich

we just want to survive

One must live with a proudly understood head, and not survive.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: avt

One must live with a proudly understood head, and not survive.

I do so

Quote: avt

You have it alone - no, together, but without overstated claims - yes easily

But the blade is double-edged and the two sides must agree

Quote: avt

So I wrote more than once about such a forecast in the event of the continuation of the “Belarusian economic miracle” with overstated Batski's wishes.

Yes, there was no miracle. It was just a good time for the economy, when the global market conditions were good (they bought what we have at least somehow), they somehow managed to hold back the dollar, etc. But now capitalism is tied up with everything, and therefore the result of various crises became bad for us. The principle of communicating vessels. The white strip ended and the black came. But the social program is specific, and that's where the problems arise.
And I also want to notice a small nuance. They shout that we are making money on Russian oil. Yes, we have two ultramodern refineries. But we must not forget that these are relations between countries and I am more than sure that we, in exchange, made many concessions. No need to deny that you have problems in terms of transit

Quote: avt

sorry for the Serbs -

I also feel sorry for them ... And who is easy now? They could not stand the pressure. made concessions to Europe. And what, are we now to blame? And in the EU we want and want to be friends with Russia? someone talked about sitting on two chairs

[company7777]

Lukashenko is an ordinary prostitute, you can’t just take it, you need to give it! And if they tell me that he cares about his people, our rulers also come out only about him and care, and not about his own!

[starper]

Hey ROTny, you talked about that, control it, if not for the Old Man there would have long been albaros galloping like now in Ukraine. And he bargained with us not for his own profit, but for the sake of the country. And our "rulers" do not care about anyone but themselves, I hope this is not a discovery for you?

[rlanry]

If Belarus had at least something similar to the Ukrainian subsoil and access to the sea, Turchynov and Yatsenyuk would have died of envy of the Russophobic quirks of "Russia's loyal ally."

[DimYang]

It is necessary to say here that the AHL at the last appeal to the Army ambiguously requested that support from it in retaining its power, in which case. The Constitution in Belarus is understood by him and his associates exclusively in the direction of strengthening the existing regime. I don’t know what moods in the Army and how everything will develop further, but according to the basic law, the Army is out of politics. And Luke really was a bit supportive. A change has ripened in society. It is quickly divided according to political views. I say this because I try to communicate with a large number of people and my moods are very alarming. And all this against the backdrop of a huge economic crisis. So far, all this has been leveled by the relative abundance and cheapness in the stores, but this is not for long, in my opinion. So the Army will still play its part, not being able to stay away. But the prospects for the Army are still unclear.

[starper]

I don’t know what sources you are talking about, mine say the opposite, the majority of people support Lukashenko even now when life has become really difficult. But the attitude towards Russia has become worse.

[DimYang]

Quote: starper

the majority of people support Lukashenko

So I'm talking about the fact that those who did not support him began to support him, and this, by the way, is the younger generation. They began to dislike Russia. All false education and, in general, a decrease in its level. Just like where there were color revolutions. Now they can instill anything they want. (Really lacking mathematics, geography, and other natural sciences) In the desire to maintain power, the AHL very much allowed ** Svidomites ** with their lies to education and now the rhetoric of the young generation is very similar to that in Ukraine etc. I previously wrote in the comments that AHL is only to myself. Existing reality is increasingly convincing me of this.

[Sergej1972]

According to international agreements, nuclear weapons in Ukraine and Belarus were recognized as the property of the Russian Federation. Therefore, neither Lukashenko nor Kuchma could demand anything for him from Russia.

[rlanry]

Pot calls the kettle black. I can also paint a much larger list of your logs:
* Selling America in the 90s of the C-300 secret at that time
* Non-recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia
* Celebration for the entry of Belarus into the EAEA and jumping into the “last car”
* Derogatory and disparaging remarks about the leadership of Russia (“bandits”, “no brains”, etc.)
* Re-export of Russian oil to Europe under the guise of solvents and causing significant damage to the Russian economy in the form of non-payment of customs duties
* Support for the Saakashvili regime in Georgia and the full boycott of events in South Ossetia, including the shutdown of a television broadcast about the shelling of Tskhinval
* The ban on the wearing of St. George ribbon on Victory Day
* Actual accession to the boycott of the celebration of Victory Day in Moscow by Europe and the USA
* Non-recognition of the Crimea as part of Russia
* Deliveries of diesel fuel, vehicles and weapons to Ukraine
* Calls to destroy the "separatists" in the Donbas
* Poroshenko's pledged assurances of his loyalty and desire to render any assistance
* Refusal to help the LC and the DNI
* Spurring on and arresting domestic nationalism in Belarus against Russia (Russia is to blame for the failures of the Belarusian economy, Belarusians are not Russians, etc.)
* Non-recognition and denial of the Russian world and repeated Russophobic statements
* Actual accession to economic sanctions against Russia in the form of smuggled supplies of products to the territory of Russia.

[Mentor]

rlanry * Selling America in the 90s of the C-300 secret at that time

It turns out that under an agreement with Belarus, the latter has the right to sell the latest weapons systems only with the permission of ... Russia through the mediation of Rosvooruzhenie and only to “third countries”.
The deal with C-300, it turns out, passed the “approval” of Russia, and all the necessary visas for officials are on it.
Knowledgeable people claim that the document is approved by Deputy Defense Minister Andrei Kokoshin and the visa of the former Chief of the General Staff Mikhail Kolesnikov.

Quote: rlanry

* Selling America in the 90s of the C-300 secret at that time

And that was in 1995. Lukashenko was then still a member of parliament.
* Support for the Saakashvili regime in Georgia and the full boycott of events in South Ossetia, including the shutdown of a television broadcast about the shelling of Tskhinval
Strange, what did I watch on Bel TV then?
* The ban on the wearing of St. George ribbon on Victory Day
On the Internet a bunch of photos refuting your fabrication
* Deliveries of diesel fuel, vehicles and weapons to Ukraine
Has already been considered. All "data" from opposition sites.
Do you read Charter-97 on other items? Strong. Continue in the same spirit, and in an instant you will find yourself on Bolotnaya.

[Mr. Pip]

warehouses, the USSR’s densest network of access roads, stocks of military equipment intended for the deployment of an army of 500 thousand, and according to some reports, a million people.

Two - at least 2 million! Well, this is if from the Soviet reserves one kirzach per soldier is issued
The author himself is not funny to name such figures for a country where the initial strength of the armed forces in "peacetime" is 30 thousand officers

[Belarus]

And why not save on air defense by deploying the Russian Air Force base in Baranavichy (after all, there was already a topic about it). We would save on airplanes and training personnel for new su.No, we proudly refused saying that we essentially do not need it. There are different conversations why the Republic of Belarus refused the air base of the VSK RF.
The army is combat ready, but the question is how much will it be motivated in the event of something very bad (God forbid, of course). You can sign anything and say anything, but the most important thing is that the words do not diverge from the deed.

[avt]

Quote: Belarus

And why not save on air defense by deploying the Russian Air Force base in Baranavichy (after all, there was already a topic about it). We would save on airplanes and training personnel for new su.No, we proudly refused saying that we essentially do not need it. There are different conversations why the Republic of Belarus refused the air base of the VSK RF.

Not only save money, but even really streamline it, taking into account technical and economic realities! Of course, from a military point of view, with the creation of a single, not even air defense, but in the presence of an over-the-horizon radar and missile defense system, it is profitable. There is nothing special to discuss - yes, plant the Belarusian aircraft left over from the USSR at a single airfield as part of single units, open the regional command of the Aerospace Forces with clear algorithms for making and executing decisions agreed within the framework of the CSTO, distribute forces and means, well, what for direct support of the air defense of Belarusian troops, what for air support of the same ground formations, and what for protecting the direction and strategic objects on the territory of the same Belarus with information support and the leadership from the same regional center, subordinate to a single central one, whose orders are MANDATORY TO BE FULFILLED WITHOUT GLASSES AND DISCLAIMERS - “we are a foul state and we don’t trade sugary things.” jitters in dumka, "And what about?" Then they would have collected oskolo to what was planned and done in the USSR at a qualitatively new technical and managerial level, but ...

[Olezhek]

subordinate to a single central one, whose orders are MANDATORY TO FULFILLMENT WITHOUT GLAZING AND DISCLAIMERS - "we are a faulty state and we do not trade in suvaryanitet"

And it will not be like this ever: the whole policy of the AHL is dancing around friendship and sovereignty, to say how it will behave in the event of a military conflict is absolutely impossible.

Most likely it will be until the last moment to keep silent, bargain and win.

So it's better not to count on such miracles.

[Robert Nevsky]

GOOD LUCK TO BELARUSIANS !!!

[Apsit]

The problem of military modernization cannot be solved without modernization of the country as a whole.

There is no arguing with this argument.

[serverny]

It's nice to see that the most likes are at chauvinistic posts mixing Belarus with mud.

This is what "patriotism" means at the present time for the citizens of the Russian Federation ...

[dmi.pris1]

This "couch patriotism", they say, we’ll demolish everyone, we’ll gouge and further down the list, it’s already pretty tired. TV, even the news, it just starts to infuriate when the first person says one thing, another is done, and every day ..

[rlanry]

The "Arsenal of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus" contains figures from 20 years ago - the total number of armored vehicles inherited from the USSR. Without specifying that Belarus has successfully sold about a thousand tanks for export. Really combat-ready can be considered about 200 T-72B. Obsolete for 20 years, finally and irrevocably. It got to the point of ridiculousness, the Sosna-U sight, which has been exported for 15 years, is not on a single tank in Belarus itself! Belarusian aviation has also completely degraded and is not capable of flying, the "plush scandal" clearly showed this.
However, what could be expected when spending on the army in the region of 1% of the meager and inflated GDP statistics? There is exactly enough money allocated to the army in the Republic of Belarus to pay officers a salary and feed them in the dining room along with conscripts, well, on uniforms, yes. Teaching and stuff pays for the Russian Federation ...
So the Belarusian army will not be able to defend itself against someone stronger than Lithuania, and indeed it’s not going to. The army left mostly amusing troops, all the most modern weapons inherited from the USSR, Lukashenko pushed for sale. So he can only hope that Russia will help out, if that.

[company7777]

Quote: starper

Hey ROTny, you talked about that, control it, if not for the Old Man there would have long been albaros galloping like now in Ukraine. And he bargained with us not for his own profit, but for the sake of the country. And our "rulers" do not care about anyone but themselves, I hope this is not a discovery for you?

Here are people like you and sell. Lukashenko will kiss Putin’s teeth and the EU and NATO will shove his ass and he will be happy! Something like this!

[starper]

Ek burst through you :-) judging by your tone, you are still young to throw such accusations, so I’ll leave them on your conscience, or whatever you have in her place.

[Mentor]

company7777, please, without rudeness. In the end, this is not an unconventional sex site. If you have no arguments, then why write at all?

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Mentor

please, without rudeness. In the end, this is not an unconventional sex site.

I agree!

[ship]

The problem is that AG is essentially a mama's boy.

[gregor6549]

As a Belarusian and a citizen of the Republic of Belarus, I was always somewhat confused by the polarity of Russians’s opinions about Belarus, its international and domestic policy, the armed forces, industry, and so on.
To begin with, in the difficult situation that is taking shape in the world, Belarus managed to find its way by trying not to quarrel with old friends, and not get into any of them in bondage. And such attempts, including those from Russia, have been made repeatedly.
As for the armed forces, here too, not everything is clear. On the one hand, Belarus does not even dream of fighting NATO alone and in this regard regards Russia as a reliable co-worker, and on the other hand, it tries to have such armed forces that would discourage any desire for nothing, albeit politely, to bite off a piece of Belarus just on that on the basis that someone once did not so cut the borders of the republics of the USSR. Well, one should not forget that, unlike many former republics of the USSR, Belarus not only retained the basis of its defense industry complex, but also managed to achieve significant progress in certain areas. Here, for example, the ACS were not mentioned by the troops, and in this area Belarus occupies leading positions. By the way, many Russian objects of ACCS are nothing more than slightly modified ACCS "Maneuver" objects, developed in Belarus back in the 70s of the last century. And in terms of wheeled tractors, Belarus is still not very successful in replacing it. Therefore, there is a proposal not to look for fleas in the skin of Belarusian animals, but to work, and if necessary, then fight, together as our fathers and grandfathers worked and fought. And I would not focus on individuals either. Lukashenka and Putin come and go, but fraternal peoples remain

[Olezhek]

As a Belarusian and a citizen of the Republic of Belarus, I was always somewhat confused by the polarity of Russians’s opinions about Belarus, its international and domestic policy, the armed forces, industry, and so on.

Sorry, polarity is less: there are old-school crypto-communists, for whom Lukashenka is a beacon in the night, but less and less, and in general, the attitude towards Lukashenko (and he forms the external and internal policies) is getting worse. I would even say a sharply negative attitude.
And somehow I did not strongly notice that Belarusians condemned his policy towards Russia.

Let's start with the fact that in the difficult situation that is taking shape in the world, Belarus has managed to find its way

Aren't you afraid that the Ukrainian "rightholders" will drag you through the courts?

and do not get to any of them in a bondage. And such attempts, including from Russia, have been repeatedly.

And now I will translate it into a normal language - having received more than 100 lard of greenery from the Russian Federation without any help, in the Georgian conflict Belarus took the side of the United States, which the Americans repeatedly stressed (not Lard of course, but the position of Belarus) ..
Friend Arkady, do not speak beautifully.
Better ugly truth than a beautiful lie.

and in this regard, it considers Russia as a reliable co-worker, and on the other hand, it tries to have such aircraft that would discourage anyone from having a simple reason, if politely, to bite off a piece of Belarus only on that basis

Destruction begins in the heads, not in the outhouses ... With

[chunga-changa]

The Red Banner Belarusian Military District (KBVO), the most powerful in the Soviet Union.

Miracle Internet experts would have already been determined. They write about Ukraine - the most powerful Kiev or Odessa district, they write about kakvkaz - the most powerful there, about Germany - there is hell. Maybe the union consisted only of the most powerful districts and did not produce any others? Then it’s worth writing - the usual most powerful district and the most unusual unusual, for the unusually powerful. Well, or for fundamentally new and not having world analogs.

[Olezhek]

In the USSR, everything was the most powerful in the world!

[Yak28]

It is not known who will come after Lukashenko, and how Lukashenka himself will behave is also unknown. And the people with the help of provocateurs are easy to set up against Russia, as a result, Belarus has every chance to repeat the Ukrainian scenario. In this regard, military-technical cooperation it is necessary to conduct caution with Belarus. The time of fraternal republics has gone along with the collapse of the USSR

[KP8789]

Yak28 (1) Today, 17:49 PM New

It is not known who will come after Lukashenko, and how Lukashenka himself will behave is also unknown. And the people with the help of provocateurs are easy to set up against Russia, as a result, Belarus has every chance to repeat the Ukrainian scenario. In this regard, military-technical cooperation it is necessary to conduct caution with Belarus. The time of fraternal republics has gone along with the collapse of the USSR

We do not need any provocateurs to turn the Belarusian people against Russia. Enough to visit the Russian patriotic sites ..... For example, "Military Review".

[Olezhek]

as a result, Belarus has every chance to repeat the Ukrainian scenario

actually she repeats it.

We do not need any provocateurs to turn the Belarusian people against Russia. Enough to visit the Russian patriotic sites ..... For example, "Military Review"

You see - no one will love you for what you are
Like or dislike for specific actions
And they are in Belarus - as a rule anti-Russian

[bed111]

Quote: KP8789

We do not need any provocateurs to turn the Belarusian people against Russia. Enough to visit the Russian patriotic sites ..... For example, "Military Review".

I agree. All right, there were only raids on the "Old Man", that's nothing. We ourselves sometimes dislike him, for unnecessary chatter, lies, empty promises and inconsistency. But when conversations begin that we are all "zmagars" here, since we want to live separately, that the Belarusians are obliged to immediately join the Russian Federation, if they do not want a war, or, even worse, that Belarus has captured six Russian regions, that's not into what gate. At the same time, many, having visited a couple of times in Minsk hotels in transit, already consider themselves experts of the Belarusian ethnos and mentality :-).
Showed the comments here to one person in charge, so he waved his hand. He says, they say, inadequate everywhere is enough ...

[Rubon]

I’ll tell you a terrible military secret, the Belarusian army in its present state is not an ally, the closest analogy is an old suitcase without a handle! My relative serves at the point of contact, the equipment is still Soviet, relay installation!
The son of a classmate served a year in artillery, there was no regular shooting for this year, but he was on a 2-week vacation!
Old Man, at the best of circumstances, the commissar of the partisan detachment during the Second World War, with the worst policeman-burgomaster there were many at one time, he is a weather vane.

[Rurikovich]

Strange ...
And a couple of weeks ago, the exercises ended with firing and artillery guns, and with MLRS firing, and even the only brigade in which I served at one time, armed with "Tochki", also fired !!!! Maybe he served in the wrong troops! in fake?
And if you dig into the connection, then at one time the Yugoslavs also switched to modern Western equipment, which for some reason soooooooled them in the present conflict and simply did not function and was suppressed. It may still be outdated, but reliable and independent of external communication factors better?

[engineer]

You can’t sit on two chairs. must be determined. otherwise it really happened between a rock and a hard place. and MZKT will easily replace Bryansk and embankments of the canoe.

[onix757]

Quote: engineer

You can’t sit on two chairs. must be determined. otherwise it really happened between a rock and a hard place

With whom and how to decide? He has long been determined with our bourgeoisie and will not let them into the Belarusian economy for a cannon shot. I fully support him. The principle of building an economy in terms of efficiency and not out of necessity proved its failure, as a result of which a handful of people are sitting on a pipe and the rest are barely enough for a bad life.

[Yak28]

Quote: KP8789

No provocateurs are needed to set the Belarusian people against Russia. It is enough to visit Russian patriotic sites ..... For example, "Military Review". bully

I’m afraid to imagine what they write about Russians on Belarusian, Ukrainian patriotic sites.

[Boos]

Such was the plan of our enemies, to divide and embroil ...

[Olezhek]

Such was the plan of our enemies, to divide and embroil ...

So, according to what plan, the permanent leader of the Republic of Belarus worked ... And we thought that ..

[onix757]

Belarus is slandered not by "patriots" who love their Motherland and do not make any distinctions between fraternal peoples, but by "putriots" serving the public relations order of the authorities.

[Olezhek]

rlanry RU Yesterday, 13: 22 ↑
Pot calls the kettle black. I can also paint a much larger list of your logs:
* Selling America in the 90s of the C-300 secret at that time
* Non-recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia
* Celebration for the entry of Belarus into the EAEA and jumping into the “last car”
* Derogatory and disparaging remarks about the leadership of Russia (“bandits”, “no brains”, etc.)
* Re-export of Russian oil to Europe under the guise of solvents and causing significant damage to the Russian economy in the form of non-payment of customs duties
* Support for the Saakashvili regime in Georgia and the full boycott of events in South Ossetia, including the shutdown of a television broadcast about the shelling of Tskhinval
* The ban on the wearing of St. George ribbon on Victory Day
* Actual accession to the boycott of the celebration of Victory Day in Moscow by Europe and the USA
* Non-recognition of the Crimea as part of Russia
* Deliveries of diesel fuel, vehicles and weapons to Ukraine
* Calls to destroy the "separatists" in the Donbas
* Poroshenko's pledged assurances of his loyalty and desire to render any assistance
* Refusal to help the LC and the DNI
* Spurring on and arresting domestic nationalism in Belarus against Russia (Russia is to blame for the failures of the Belarusian economy, Belarusians are not Russians, etc.)
* Non-recognition and denial of the Russian world and repeated Russophobic statements
* Actual accession to economic sanctions against Russia in the form of smuggled supplies of products to the territory of Russia.

I will allow myself a literate quote ...

[AAV]

Quote: rlanry

Belarus has already received everything that Russia can give without giving anything in return.

Let me disagree with you.
The Russian military facilities are located on the territory of the Republic of Belarus: radar warning of a missile attack near Gantsevichi and the Navy long-range communications repeater near Vileika.

[Ze Kot]

"The Armed Forces of independent Belarus had a very solid base - the Red Banner Belarusian Military District (KBVO), the most powerful in the Soviet Union."

Wasn't the Kiev Military District the most powerful in the Union?


And what kind of "Fox"? . This is the Tigers "...

[ship]

Dear AAV, maybe the "missile attack warning radar near Gantsevichi and the naval long-distance communications relay near Vileika" were already long before A.G. Lukashenko? Ask for general development.

[siberalt]

Quote: olegfbi

Customs officers and border guards Ukraine treat Russian citizens super loyally, as their own and even more;

That was NEVER!

Yes, everything is correct. From childhood, we were told in books - "do not go children to Africa for a walk." Now it is even more dangerous to go to Ukraine. Why did they kill two of our truckers, and before that our journalists? Closed the railway. and air communications, cut off electricity and water in the Crimea, daily shelling civilians in the Donbass?