Yashchenko: Kiev has transferred an anti-aircraft complex and German self-propelled howitzers to Donbass

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APU redeployed to the contact line in the ATO zone the anti-aircraft complex Strela-10 and around 30-ti self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000, transmits RIA News a message from the representative of the military department of the LPR Igor Yaschenko.

Yashchenko: Kiev has transferred an anti-aircraft complex and German self-propelled howitzers to Donbass
155-mm self-propelled howitzer PzH 2000 (Panzerhaubitze 2000)

“According to our intelligence, the location of the Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile system is located in the area of ​​the Chuginka settlement. Also, a train with German self-propelled howitzers PzH 59 with more than 2000 units arrived in the settlement Krasny Liman of the Donetsk region for armament of the 30-th separate motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
said Yaschenko to Lugansk news agency.

He noted that “the situation in the area of ​​responsibility of the People’s Militia has not changed significantly and is characterized as stable and tense”.

According to Yashchenko, “over the past 24 hours, the Kiev security forces violated the cease-fire regime three times, using the weapons prohibited by the Minsk agreements”.

“Thus, the Ukrainian punishers continue to consider the forceful solution to the conflict in the Donbass as the main one, and also use the cease-fire regime to increase their military potential, actively using the help of foreign partners,” he stressed.
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  1. +50
    16 February 2016 18: 15
    I do not understand - where are the howitzers?

    It seems they didn’t deliver lethal ones?
    1. +45
      16 February 2016 18: 17
      It looks like a fake.
      1. +55
        16 February 2016 18: 20
        PzH 2000 is not realistic to transfer to Ukraine so that it would not be placed on YouTube. Neither by Railway, nor by trawl.
        1. +13
          16 February 2016 18: 35
          Armed Forces of Ukraine sent to the contact line in the anti-terrorist operation zone the Strela-10 anti-aircraft complex and about 30 PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzers, Igor Yaschenko, representative of the LPR military department, reports to RIA Novosti.

          Quote: Kars
          PzH 2000 is not realistic to transfer to Ukraine so that it would not be placed on YouTube. Neither by Railway, nor by trawl.

          Yes, like my namesake Chegoy there, it seems, he said too much. negative
          Well, I would also say about ACS 2S3 "Acacia", Ukraine has more than four hundred of them more recently ...
        2. +9
          16 February 2016 18: 37
          Quote: Kars
          PzH 2000 is not realistic to transfer to Ukraine so that it would not be placed on YouTube. Neither by Railway, nor by trawl.

          In the English version, Wiki writes the cost of $ 4,5 million, if you multiply by 30 yes, plus at least 200 shells per barrel, it’s under 200 lemons with greens.
          It really looks like a fake, but here all friends from the USA can pay, and even under an awning it can not be distinguished from MCTA.
          It's nice that DNR intelligence works this way, only for such a drain of information could you make at least one photo
          1. +14
            16 February 2016 18: 42
            Quote: APASUS
            and under the awning it is not particularly distinguishable from the MCTA.

            Unless from the Coalition, and so Mstu then why cover with an awning? It would be a photo of huge awnings)))
            And so Peonies are repairing at an accelerated pace.
        3. +3
          16 February 2016 18: 39
          yes, oversized however. 3480 width. The width of the platform on the floor (from side to side) is 2760 mm. standard. 3060 - there are two varieties. But that’s all.
        4. +9
          16 February 2016 18: 44
          Quote: Kars
          PzH 2000 is not realistic to transfer to Ukraine

          In the fall that year ... it seems in the fall ... one forumchanin wrote that his nephew served in the APU and they brought imported self-propelled guns with a front engine.
          The PzH 2000 engine is in front of the case.what

          And from where self-propelled guns it is not difficult to guess ...

          German Defense Minister Ursula von der Layen told reporters in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius on April 15, 2015 that Germany "may well" sell 12 self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000 caliber 155 mm to Lithuania.

          According to German media reports, a deal for the sale of self-propelled guns from the presence of the Bundeswehr can be concluded "next month" at a "friendly price" of about 15 million euros.


          In storage in Germany remained 31 not modernized ACS.

          1. +9
            16 February 2016 18: 51
            In the fall of that year, one member of the forum wrote that he had a nephew serving in the Armed Forces and they were driven in by imported self-propelled guns with a front engine.
            The PzH 2000 has an engine in the front of the chassis .what

            A good warrior if don `t know what drove but knows where the engine stands.
            Believe it yourself ???
            1. +3
              16 February 2016 19: 10
              Quote: nemec55

              A good warrior if don `t know what drove but knows where the engine stands.
              Believe it yourself ???

              good good Definitely!
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            3. 0
              16 February 2016 19: 18
              Quote: nemec55
              Believe it yourself ???

              Who knows ... our NATO friends are capable of great meanness.
              1. +1
                16 February 2016 19: 23
                Quote: Sid.74
                Who knows ... our NATO friends are capable of great meanness.

                He meant it more (I think so)
                Quote: Sid.74
                A good warrior if don `t know what drove but knows where the engine stands.
                1. +2
                  16 February 2016 19: 31
                  Quote: Alleh28-2
                  A good warrior if don `t know what drove but knows where the engine stands.

                  If I understood the correct formucanin, then my nephew saw this car for the first time, and his nephew had no relation to artillery. request
                  1. +2
                    16 February 2016 22: 56
                    Quote: Sid.74
                    If I understood the correct formucanin, then my nephew saw this car for the first time, and his nephew had no relation to artillery.

                    In any case, to make out that this is a German car, he definitely could, and infa would look like this: "I saw some kind of German self-propelled gun with a front dvigun placement." what
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              2. +2
                16 February 2016 20: 02
                Remember, last year, militiamen near Debaltseve showed fragments and a bottom from 155mm shells. Then there were quite a lot of hits on the church. The truth was that the South Korean K-9 aircraft had a run-in.
                1. 0
                  16 February 2016 20: 15
                  Quote: zadorin1974
                  Remember, last year, the militia under Debaltseve showed fragments and Donets from 155mm shells.

                  It seems like they said that the projectile from Paladin.
                  About the Czech self-propelled guns, Dana’s roofing, Susan’s roofing on the wheel drive, too, there were rumors, they said they transferred sea through Odessa. There, too, the 152 and 155 caliber.
                  The case is dark ... request
                  1. 0
                    16 February 2016 20: 28
                    The main thing is that the fragments really did show, it means that there was a fact of use, and from which it cannot be determined even now. 155 is the NATO standard, the extreme ones did not have such a caliber in service. Accordingly, either they conducted tests on live meat (which we, in principle, in Syria are doing) or barefoot snapping from "partners", that's the question, whether intelligence is asleep, or is it true.
              3. +10
                16 February 2016 20: 25
                They will attack the deck, they have long been rebuilding and strengthening in the development of the front of the attack, mind you, not defense, but attack !!! This has long been known, and if they will win Dondass, they have no chance! Donbass defends the territory, which is filled with the sanctity of the murdered children, women, the elderly! Most importantly, the Donbass before God is clean, they are the defenders of their borders, they have nowhere to retreat, conscience will not allow them, and they washed away their lives - TRUTH !!! .. Let us pray to God for justice, may the Mother of God protect their souls, for he who comes to Russia with a sword will perish from it! (Alexander Nevskiy)...
            4. +1
              16 February 2016 20: 11
              )))))))))))))))
            5. +1
              16 February 2016 20: 18
              Quote: nemec55
              In the fall of that year, one member of the forum wrote that he had a nephew serving in the Armed Forces and they were driven in by imported self-propelled guns with a front engine.
              The PzH 2000 has an engine in the front of the chassis .what

              A good warrior if don `t know what drove but knows where the engine stands.
              Believe it yourself ???


              Even if this technique was actually brought in, it doesn’t mean that anyone who wants it will be given a chance to get acquainted with it, so that warrior could hear about the front position of the engine from the artilleryman. This is fragmentary information.
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              2. +1
                16 February 2016 20: 54
                Quote: yushch
                Even if this technique was actually brought in, it doesn’t mean that anyone who wants it will be given a chance to get acquainted with it, so that warrior could hear about the front position of the engine from the artilleryman. This is fragmentary information.

                Nude ... No. Illiterate blind artilleryman caught apparently. soldier
                1. 0
                  16 February 2016 22: 18
                  Quote: Alleh28-2
                  Quote: yushch
                  Even if this technique was actually brought in, it doesn’t mean that anyone who wants it will be given a chance to get acquainted with it, so that warrior could hear about the front position of the engine from the artilleryman. This is fragmentary information.

                  Nude ... No. Illiterate blind artilleryman caught apparently. soldier


                  And what surprises you ??? Maybe it was not the gunner, but the soldier himself was driven to the park to sweep the territory, you are probably aware that the military equipment is guarded by a guard, who usually reacts nervously to an attempt to go to a guarded object. There may be a million options , no need to find fault with the words.
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2016 22: 22
                    Quote: yushch
                    no need to find fault with words.

                    I just judge by myself. If I found out where the dvigun is, then I will find out who it is unequivocally.
                    1. +1
                      16 February 2016 22: 39
                      Well, but you don’t admit that the crews of these systems are not Ukrainians? Modern PMCs provide any services. And if my assumption is correct, then they will not let ukrovoen close to this technique, so they could only see and identify from afar from the exhaust engine location system.
                      1. 0
                        16 February 2016 22: 43
                        Quote: yushch
                        Well, but you don’t admit that the crews of these systems are not Ukrainians? Modern PMCs provide any services. And if my assumption is correct, then they will not let ukrovoen close to this technique, so they could only see and identify from afar from the exhaust engine location system.

                        This version has the right to life, but .. Too sophisticated. In life, everything is easier and careless. Al did not serve in the army? wink
                      2. 0
                        16 February 2016 23: 33
                        Quote: Alleh28-2
                        Quote: yushch
                        Well, but you don’t admit that the crews of these systems are not Ukrainians? Modern PMCs provide any services. And if my assumption is correct, then they will not let ukrovoen close to this technique, so they could only see and identify from afar from the exhaust engine location system.

                        This version has the right to life, but .. Too sophisticated. In life, everything is easier and careless. Al did not serve in the army? wink


                        Just in this case, it’s easier to hire specialists who are familiar with this self-propelled guns than to train your fighters who are not particularly eager to be enthusiastic in teaching, but who are showing it in the destruction of alcohol.
                      3. -1
                        16 February 2016 23: 36
                        Since when PMCs give heavy weapons?
                        Something I do not remember precedents ..
                      4. +3
                        16 February 2016 23: 40
                        Quote: Lance
                        Since when PMCs give heavy weapons?
                        Something I do not remember precedents ..

                        And maybe it is. Personally, I did not delve into it. Yes, most likely there is. One thing is aviation, air defense, etc., and I think artillery without problems. request
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                      6. +1
                        16 February 2016 23: 52
                        The Angolan government itself requires them to ensure their own security, which makes it possible for PMCs to work on completely legal grounds and maintain small private armies with aircraft and heavy military equipment.
                        Everything they have turns out to be.
                      7. 0
                        17 February 2016 00: 12
                        Not an example. In Africa, there are no laws on PMCs — every Somali with weapons is PMCs, and every gopher is a generalissimo.

                        Or, did the Germans dispatch the howitzers to the Negroes and drive them to the Netherlands? laughing
                      8. +2
                        17 February 2016 00: 30
                        Quote: Lance
                        Or, what, the Germans shipped howitzers to blacks and drove them to xoxland

                        But what, the theme ... And shirni black shit flap to grab Pan Parashka .. laughing But seriously, I’ve enlightened a little now and it turns out that PMCs are all types and types of armed forces, except, naturally, Air Defense and Strategists.
                      9. -1
                        17 February 2016 01: 16
                        More submariners especially laughing
                      10. 0
                        17 February 2016 08: 52
                        Quote: Lance
                        More submariners especially

                        And who knows? We can at the striped and recruiting crews as PMCs ... wink
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                      13. +2
                        17 February 2016 00: 09
                        Quote: Lance
                        Since when PMCs give heavy weapons?
                        Something I do not remember precedents ..


                        PMCs are not only brave guys equipped from head to toe. There are PMCs who do not have these brave guys at all, because they are engaged in the development of operations and logistics services for states that do not have specialists in these areas, but there are PMCs that provide the services of narrow specialists like then pilots, tankers, artillerymen, military engineers. For good money you will be provided with any services in the military field. And about heavy military equipment, they just buy it, and then hire specialists for maintenance and direct use.
                      14. -3
                        17 February 2016 01: 23
                        For "direct use", i.e. application, tanks, aviation, etc., specialists come under the command of regular troops, so the essence of PMCs is lost here.
                        You can give mercenaries with motors Kalash, borders, stingers, and fight as you know, but no one will give them heavy weapons under the same conditions.
                      15. +2
                        17 February 2016 02: 46
                        To St. George Cat. Vitaly wrote everything correctly on the account of PMCs. Let's say the country is conducting military operations, purchasing equipment, but there are no specialists of its own. She, through the mediation of PMCs, hires them all over the world. So the Serbs Krajina were unrolled, by the way, with the support of Blackotors, Globolov and Armetgroup. Some provided tankers and RSZOshnikov, others helicopter pilots, others developed the entire operation. Everyone knows about the presence of Poles, Negroes and well-equipped English-speaking military men. At the moment, they have also legalized rodents. I won’t argue about the PzH2000, BUT the militias arrived 155 shells are a fact.
                      16. 0
                        17 February 2016 03: 17
                        But there was a mess in Odessa in the fall, when it is not known why the law enforcement officers were driven to Odessa to allegedly maintain order and impose a curfew. They obviously wanted to hide the delivered goods from the public.
                      17. -1
                        18 February 2016 01: 33
                        Zadorinu wrote about that if the PMC does not work independently on its task, but simply performs the function of supplying soldiers, then its function is reduced to recruiting, and the soldiers are essentially contract soldiers, reporting not to the PMC leadership, but to the command of the operation, their state officers hiring.
                        Then yes, they may be presented with heavy weapons leased / purchased by the same state.
                      18. 0
                        17 February 2016 08: 56
                        Quote: Lance
                        For "direct use", i.e. application, tanks, aviation, etc., specialists come under the command of regular troops, so the essence of PMCs is lost here.

                        This is the same .... only in the other hand. So, do not distort and do not bother. The essence of PMCs does not change from this. As if in Iraq mattress PMCs are carrying out private orders .. wink laughing
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          2. 0
            17 February 2016 05: 35
            German Defense Minister Ursula von der Layen told reporters in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius on April 15, 2015 that Germany "may well" sell 12 self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000 caliber 155 mm to Lithuania.

            According to German media reports, a deal for the sale of self-propelled guns from the presence of the Bundeswehr can be concluded "next month" at a "friendly price" of about 15 million euros.
            And Lithuania (the only European country by the way) has an agreement on military-technical cooperation with Ukraine ......... so theoretically everything can be
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        5. +18
          16 February 2016 19: 09
          Quote: Kars
          PzH 2000 is not realistic to transfer to Ukraine

          In 1941, German self-propelled howitzers were already trying to ride in the Donbass ....
          1. +2
            16 February 2016 19: 12
            Zoldat, you shouldn't be ironic about the 41st. Some of the site's regulars know a thing or two about the history of the Second World War. Save "little blood in foreign territory" for Politicus. They love them there.
            1. +29
              16 February 2016 19: 24
              Quote: Pereira
              Zoldat, you shouldn't be ironic about the 41st. Some of the site's regulars know a thing or two about the history of the Second World War. Save "little blood in foreign territory" for Politicus. They love them there.

              Alaverdi. No irony. It’s just that German self-propelled guns actually tried to drive around the Donbass. They went to Zaporizhstal in furnaces for remelting. I don’t know where they will be re-melted now, but the result will be the same ... I say this because He taught history not under Yeltsin, and not from Soros textbooks, but in the yard, according to those who burned German self-propelled guns and who fought in tanks on the Kursk Bulge. Uncle Lyosha, uncle Petya, uncle Misha .... Here are my "textbooks", the blessed memory of the Soldiers ...

              Himself not a tanker. But I had to see how the enemy’s equipment burned. So go yourself ... to Politicus ...
              1. +6
                16 February 2016 19: 32
                I do not intend to belittle the merits of your teachers, but the Kursk Bulge is somewhat different from the fields of Donbass 41. Everything was much sadder there.
                Therefore, a new war, if that happens, I would like to start right away with 43.
                And about Politicus .... so they don’t like me there. I ask inconvenient questions.
              2. PKK
                +2
                16 February 2016 19: 51
                Hold on! Before the self-propelled guns catch fire, and there are not a lot of them, 30 pieces, you need to defeat everything in bulk or piece by piece in an artillery duel. And you imagine how much work this is, under the conditions of the Minsk agreements! How many people will these panzerwafes kill?
                1. +3
                  16 February 2016 21: 36
                  Quote: PKK
                  Hold on! Before the self-propelled guns catch fire, and there are not a lot of them, 30 pieces, you need to defeat everything in bulk or piece by piece in an artillery duel. And you imagine how much work this is, under the conditions of the Minsk agreements! How many people will these panzerwafes kill?

                  I am not going to shine with knowledge of the tactics of tank battle at the monitor, especially, as I wrote above, not a tanker. Show in practice - they won't take it by age. They will look into a personal matter - they will say "Enough, fought." I put only one thing - the Ho Chi Minhs "Chaffee" almost set fire to matches - they burned like cute ones. And an artillery duel is a very conditional thing ...

                  And in general, I consider it useless and unnecessary to arrange a discussion in the style of "who is stronger - an elephant or a whale". hi
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              4. +2
                16 February 2016 23: 28
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                ... Uncle Lyosha, uncle Petya, uncle Misha .... Here are my "textbooks", the blessed memory of the Soldiers ...

                A similar situation exists on my collective farm. Yes
            2. +2
              16 February 2016 19: 26
              Quote: Pereira
              Soldat, about the 41st is not worth ironizing

              Why is it 41st? If you take everything as a whole, then the soldier is right.
            3. +1
              16 February 2016 19: 26
              Quote: Pereira
              Soldat, about the 41st is not worth ironizing

              Why is it 41st? If you take everything as a whole, then the soldier is right.
              1. +2
                16 February 2016 19: 34
                Generally.
                But I read a lot about 41, so I can’t stand the hatred attitude.
                1. +3
                  16 February 2016 19: 39
                  Quote: Pereira
                  But I read a lot about 41, so I can’t stand the hatred attitude.

                  It is the whole pie that must be eaten. Then the tragedy of the beginning of the war and the triumph of its end will be understandable. And I am not particularly pleased with the shapkozakidatelstvo, but it was not here, so a slight typo instead of "starting from 41" wrote "in 41".
                  1. +2
                    16 February 2016 19: 49
                    I agree about the whole pie. Again, I used to consider the process in its dynamics.
                    Yes, there was something to be proud of in 41, but it only became a system after the Kursk Bulge. Then our Hypericum really felt the taste of blood on their fangs.
                    1. -1
                      16 February 2016 22: 23
                      It seems that you are reinforced by minuscule sofa marshals - 13-14 years old - well, they are in vain - admins see and know them
                      1. +1
                        16 February 2016 23: 18
                        .. they are seen and known

                        bully
                      2. +1
                        16 February 2016 23: 20
                        Quote: Lance
                        bully

                        The man is the same hunt for sofas, but you do not give a breath. Uuuu bad ... angry
                      3. +1
                        17 February 2016 01: 38
                        And we will remember ...
                      4. +2
                        17 February 2016 08: 48
                        Quote: viktor561
                        It seems that you are reinforced by minuscule sofa marshals - 13-14 years old - well, they are in vain - admins see and know them

                        For more than two dozen calendars and one and a half times more length of service, I rushed with a gun. Now you can sit on the couch and make smart people. And let the young run. I honestly deserve my "sofa" marshal ... And, God gave, not in connection with Ufa (with all due respect to the signalmen and Ufa). Therefore, I’m not going to make excuses to anyone .... Neither for the minuses, nor for the pros.
                      5. 0
                        17 February 2016 11: 34
                        Soldat, these words of Victor are not about you, but about mindlessly minusers.
                    2. +2
                      16 February 2016 22: 47
                      Quote: Pereira
                      Yes, there was something to be proud of at 41, but it only became a system after the Kursk Bulge.

                      You see. Everything in the complex is known. good
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                3. +2
                  16 February 2016 21: 31
                  Quote: Pereira
                  Generally.
                  But I read a lot about 41, so I can’t stand the hatred attitude.

                  In the 41st they tried to ride, in the 45th the whole world saw the result.

                  So no complaints? Without irony? Available?hi
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2016 11: 31
                    The point is not the order of the word.
                    And I respect the irony, if it’s appropriate, because I myself am sinful.
          2. 0
            16 February 2016 20: 30
            What a pity that Stalin could not destroy the hydra! It was necessary not to chop off the head, but to chop the whole carcass. Fascism, like the flu needs to be dealt with at the viral level ... BURN ...
      2. +10
        16 February 2016 18: 25
        Quote: Rostov Dad
        It looks like a fake.
        -I am inclined to the same thought.

        PzH 2000, and even "about 30". Don't you dofiga?

        If it’s not fake, extinguish the light. It is about to begin.

        Ta-ah-k, what to buy: salt, matches, rye bread for crackers ... and more rounds, more rounds ...

        Joke. smile
        1. +1
          16 February 2016 18: 30
          Quote: iConst
          and ammo, more ammo ...

          Socks and footcloths. It will be more necessary. soldier
      3. +12
        16 February 2016 18: 28
        PzH 2000 is in service in Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands.
        In the Eastern European armies it is not.
        Most likely a fake
        1. +6
          16 February 2016 19: 14
          The Croats have it. But according to the terms of the transfer, you can understand what the delivery time of such equipment is and how much it costs. And why would it be easier for the Ukrainian artillerymen to repair an unfamiliar complex, or to acquire Soviet self-propelled guns from the Youngonatists. And even though Germany is ruled by a chicken, but at such a step Berlin will not work. First 30 pcs. it is very expensive, and most importantly --- the Angel would be "devoured" by her own people for such a secret operation.
          Croatia signed an agreement worth 41 million euros to purchase 12 PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzers from the German Bundeswehr on December 5, 2014. Of the indicated amount, 12 million euros are actually 12 self-propelled guns, while the remaining 29 million euros are spent on the supply of spare parts, ammunition, training of military personnel, as well as the supply of three incomplete self-propelled guns as a source of spare parts. The first six self-propelled guns should be delivered during 2015, and the remaining six by the beginning of 2017.http://military-informant.com/army/horvatiya-poluchila-pervyie-samohodnyie-gaubi
          tsyi-pzh-2000.html
          1. +4
            16 February 2016 19: 36
            How would be happy for the Croats. But judging by how the Bundes sold not the worst equipment, they were either not going to fight, or they had a novelty on their way.
            1. +1
              16 February 2016 20: 11
              They want to spend $ 150 billion on modernization. It is known that combat helicopters and tanks will be acquired. It seems that the office is closed for free freebies and the Germans "remembered" that they have an unbalanced army. If they re-equip their self-propelled divisions, they will certainly new machines, more advanced equipment. And here is how their minister skitters on this topic:
              The Ministry of Defense will have to address the shortage of military equipment that many soldiers in the German army face today, according to von der Leyen. She said it was time to stop writing off and destroying good but redundant military equipment, such as the Leopard 2 battle tanks, whose arsenal her predecessor Thomas de Maizière planned to reduce from 350 to 225. According to von der Leyen , it is necessary to integrate a workable technique into existing structures.http://www.germania-online.diplo.de/Vertretung/russland-dz/ru/01-politik/au_C3_9
              Fenpolitik / bundeswehr-reform-maerz.html
      4. +27
        16 February 2016 18: 31
        Quote: Rostov Dad
        It looks like a fake.

        You are mistaken .. Here is a photo from an iPhone:
        1. +3
          16 February 2016 18: 36
          Are you kidding me? - in the photo an old cart from the war - count the rollers on the PzH 2000 - there are 7 of them - and here are 6
          1. +27
            16 February 2016 18: 38
            Quote: viktor561
            Are you kidding me? - in the photo an old cart from the war - count the rollers on the PzH 2000 - there are 7 of them - and here are 6

            Seriously? belay
            1. +17
              16 February 2016 19: 32
              Yes tochnik 2000-I panzergaits- just one rink xoxly already stolen
              lol
          2. +29
            16 February 2016 18: 44
            Quote: viktor561
            count the rollers on the PzH 2000 - there are 7 of them - and here are 6

            Such comments are often more funny than comrade jokes. laughing
            1. +8
              16 February 2016 19: 07
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Quote: viktor561
              count the rollers on the PzH 2000 - there are 7 of them - and here are 6

              Such comments are often more funny than comrade jokes. laughing

              So he joked. But for some reason they threw cons to him.
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            3. +2
              16 February 2016 20: 36
              Yes, I pinned about Armata (7 rinks) - who did not understand - I'm not to blame!
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          3. 0
            16 February 2016 18: 53
            Are you kidding me? - in the photo an old cart from the war - count the rollers on the PzH 2000 - there are 7 of them - and here are 6

            Ept through the rocker ,,, Vitek and what did Lavrov remember you?
            1. +13
              16 February 2016 18: 58
              Che do not understand jokes? I forgot to put emoticons, and you seriously took
              1. +3
                16 February 2016 19: 23
                Victor, I get it. I myself suffer for such things. Therefore, a well-deserved plus.
                You do not need to set emoticons. It’s better to endure the minus, but to make people strain and lightly tear the gyrus around the chair.
              2. 0
                16 February 2016 21: 29
                Quote: viktor561
                Che do not understand jokes? I forgot to put emoticons, and you seriously took

                Sorry, comrade, even me, with my perfect and subtle sense of humor feel (Kag Be emoticon hints) and then I do not understand. drinks
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          5. +5
            16 February 2016 19: 14
            Victor, minus for lack of imagination and inattention. Why is nothing said about hats?
            1


            2
            1. +2
              16 February 2016 20: 48
              They won’t understand - although I’ll continue to joke - there are more adequate ones on the site - thanks!
        2. +17
          16 February 2016 18: 54
          Allech28-2 DE Today, 18:31 ↑ New


          She (ACS) after meeting with the Buryat-Mongolian horse-tank army of the Russian Federation:
          1. +11
            16 February 2016 18: 59
            Quote: Fonmeg
            She (self-propelled guns) after meeting with the Buryat-Mongolian horse-tank army of the Russian Federation

            This was lucky ... They just chopped it up with checkers .. But from this they lit a cigarette ...
          2. +7
            16 February 2016 19: 26
            Judging by the hollow in the back, the Buryats were big.
        3. +10
          16 February 2016 19: 14
          Quote: Alleh28-2
          Quote: Rostov Dad
          It looks like a fake.

          You are mistaken .. Here is a photo from an iPhone:

          good Photo from Leica
          1. +2
            16 February 2016 19: 18
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Quote: Alleh28-2
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            It looks like a fake.

            You are mistaken .. Here is a photo from an iPhone:

            good Photo from Leica

            It seems like at least the 152th format of the negative .. Although it may have clicked from a tripod .. request
            1. +6
              16 February 2016 20: 02
              Quote: Alleh28-2
              There seems to be at least a 152nd negative format ..

              In this case - aerial photography from a diving photo studio. This is near Kursk, the picture is well-known ... As for the news, then ... I will repeat my hackneyed phrase that these are very expensive toys, and they are not given, especially to difficult teenagers ... A year and a half ago here, on IN, already expected to see Abrams-Bradley-Apaches in Ukropistan, and ..? Here, that's the same. Even if we assume, in the form of nonsense, that they were given panzergauitzers "on lease", then, knowing the motto of these guys: "Let's break, lose, sell!", It is not difficult to guess about the further development of events. So that...
              1. +2
                16 February 2016 20: 12
                Let's start with the fact that Kiev has no aviation ..

                Then all this turns into a "partisan war." Carried out - I note - by amateurs .. or hastily mobilized .. even worse, for them.

                There, the result is clear already, therefore, the Americans left there .. Europe? well, let it slurp ... with a full spoon ..

                Nothing speech, IMHO, naturally ..
          2. +4
            16 February 2016 21: 02
            Dear, the youth has no idea, here from Leica?
            But the photo is good!
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      6. +3
        16 February 2016 18: 31
        I also think that fake. Maybe confused with Msta S!? Yes, and where did the APU 150 mm shells come from ?!
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    2. +2
      16 February 2016 18: 19
      Preparations for the war in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in full swing, Poroshenko is only waiting for the go-ahead from Washington.
      1. +6
        16 February 2016 18: 35
        Preparations for the war in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in full swing, Poroshenko is only waiting for the go-ahead from Washington.

        The cat is waiting for his turkish stub to hit Syria.
      2. +16
        16 February 2016 18: 38
        Preparations for the war in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in full swing, Poroshenko is only waiting for the go-ahead from Washington.
        Onizekiborgs are ready
        1. +3
          16 February 2016 19: 37
          I did not even suspect how terrible they were!
          1. +2
            16 February 2016 21: 06
            But the good ones inside smile
        2. +1
          16 February 2016 20: 27
          Quote: Rostov Dad
          Preparations for the war in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in full swing, Poroshenko is only waiting for the go-ahead from Washington.
          Onizekiborgs are ready

          Yes, we had the same thing in Chechnya ...
      3. +3
        16 February 2016 18: 54
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Preparations for the war in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in full swing, Poroshenko is only waiting for the go-ahead from Washington.

        Just not for the offensive, preparations are underway for defense.
    3. +13
      16 February 2016 18: 24
      Quote: iConst
      It seems they didn’t deliver lethal ones?

      Yes, Dunno knows, this old galosh merkelikha completely tore off the roof, although if the PzH200 had been ukrozad they would have tinned it themselves, secondly, our people would have known about this and shared with the Donetsk people about it, although we don’t know much.
    4. +40
      16 February 2016 18: 28
      Today, the militia is responding from three districts. In the morning and all day minus, constantly flies away. He hears the whole city.
      You are a resident of Donetsk if:
      1. When a tank overtakes you at a traffic light
      2. When the BM-21 Grad is working with your alarm clock
      3. When a neighbor hammers a nail, you are already on the floor.
      4. When "it's from us, sleep" instead of a good night.
      5. When you go down to the basement not for pickles.
      6. When building tape on glass is the most popular element of decor.
      7. When Motorola is not a phone brand.
      8. When after 8 pm on the street you feel like the hero of the movie "I AM A LEGEND"
      9. When your sleeping place is away from windows - in the corridor for example ... "
      1. -23
        16 February 2016 18: 34
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        You are a resident of Donetsk if:

        Not funny and your joke is stupid
        1. +17
          16 February 2016 18: 39
          Quote: Tusv
          Not funny and your joke is stupid
          And here we are in Donetsk tired of already grieve. The cannonade is all day, and people with children are walking and the old people are sitting on benches.

          1. +3
            16 February 2016 18: 45
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            And here we are in Donetsk tired already of grief

            May God grant you peace comes.
          2. PKK
            0
            16 February 2016 20: 01
            Just don’t minus, this is an old Donetsk proverb: It’s hard and unpretentious, the life of the Donetsk separatist!
    5. +5
      16 February 2016 18: 30
      Howitzers or not, but there is an undisguised preparation for hostilities.
      1. +1
        16 February 2016 18: 45
        Preparing for the elections in the Donbass. hi
        1. +4
          16 February 2016 19: 55
          Quote: Kasym
          Preparing for the elections in the Donbass. hi

          Yeah, and BCH will vote in these mobile ballot boxes ... laughing
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    7. +1
      16 February 2016 18: 43
      Sheer nonsense. The author of libel, but simply fake, on the COL. Admin, fly after the delirium, otherwise the people will run away from the incompetence of the resource!
      1. +1
        16 February 2016 19: 02
        Here is a link to the Lugansk edition

        http://lug-info.com/news/one/vsu-perebrosili-v-zonu-ato-zrk-strela-i-bolee-30-ne
        metskikh-gaubits-narodnaya-militsiya-10792
        1. +3
          16 February 2016 20: 14
          Quote: Askov
          Here is a link to the Lugansk edition


          said the deputy chief of staff of the Corps People’s Militia Colonel Igor Yashchenko.


          "Also, a train with more than 59 German self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000 arrived at the settlement Krasny Liman of the Donetsk region to arm the 30th separate motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, performing tasks in the zone of the so-called" ATO ", - he said.

          Schedule commuter trains (trains) at the Krasny Liman station of the Donetsk railway

          every 10-20 minutes train

          Google does not see anything.

          WHERE ARE THEY DOWNLOADED AND WHAT?

          30 pieces of PZH2000x not Khukhra Mukhra

          more carts had to be changed on the border with Poland, the track is still yes and the Roco Heavy duty wagon is again
          ..

    8. +5
      16 February 2016 19: 03
      30 units of PzH 2000 ??? Stop raving, they are now so unlikely to be typed in combat units of the Bundeswehr. Maybe the contingent in Afghanistan still has a few pieces, the rest produced are sent to long-term storage bases.

      1. 0
        16 February 2016 22: 28
        Yes, it seems that part of the "dill" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, fenced with Cheburashkas and a nuclear attack on the airport, got to the LPR.
    9. +1
      16 February 2016 19: 09
      Yeah, some garbage! Kaklov has no money in the 2000s! They stand like a wing of a downed Boeing!
    10. +6
      16 February 2016 19: 59
      Quote: iConst
      I do not understand - where are the howitzers?

      author’s fantasy.
      and so miserable fool that for the article took GREEK Sun (hell would have painted over in the editor)


      And then the owner of the photo was erased, but there are no sockets

      or such (straight from Germany) hi


      The Bundeswehr in 1998-2003 received 185 self-propelled 155-mm / 52 howitzers PzH 2000 joint production of associations Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Rheinmetall. Now the German army has only 153 of these self-propelled guns upgraded to the level of PzH 2000 A1, with the remaining 31 stored (from where the systems for Croatia and Lithuania will be taken, another installation was decommissioned). Moreover, 81 installations are actually active (consisting of four active artillery divisions + 9 training systems).
      1. +1
        16 February 2016 20: 19
        Quote: opus
        author’s fantasy.

        The author simply quoted Yashchenko. And what he imagined is another question. Another thing is that such "news" seriously undermine faith in truthfulness. Although Yashchenko also needs to work out his salary, he also has five children ...
        1. 0
          16 February 2016 20: 29
          Quote: Pilat2009
          The author simply quoted Yashchenko

          1. I quote:




          photo "Is there PZH2000?"
          About the railway station and composition


          Briefing (archive)


          2. If he quoted, then the photo of the Greek howitzer would not sculpt?
          Stuck?
          So an accomplice in defamation

          3. Yashchenko himself, who is still the "author" - deputy chief of staff of the Corps People’s Militia Colonel Igor Yashchenko.
          4. Why deliberate nonsense to spread, so that kakly would make fun of us, like we over kakly and over Psaki?


          Quote: Pilat2009
          Although Yashchenko also needs to work out his salary, he has five children ....

          Do you know how many?
          Will such a pearl suit you?
      2. +2
        16 February 2016 21: 00
        Of those panzergaubiters that will go to Lithuania, two or three are sold as spare parts for the rest. Those. not only free cars, but also free components are not present, and, it seems, they are not going to produce. EMNIP, the Dutch wanted to "throw off" their PzH, is the operation expensive?
        1. 0
          17 February 2016 00: 35
          Quote: Paranoid50
          Is operation expensive?

          to the point. Australia refused.
          They say expensive (maybe the F-35 ate all xs)
          Yes, and it’s not cheap
          12 pieces of PzH-2000 cost 41 million Euros EXW (including 19% VAT) - which is for Croatia.

          Aussies were offered 18 pieces that the Dutchmen refused

          there same hedgehog simulator ASF need to buy


          training car



          and I heard "rumors" that MGT Maschinen- und Gerätebau GmbH charged prices. And they are exclusive in Germany for welding an armor plate of this thickness
    11. 0
      16 February 2016 20: 17
      Howitzers do not fly (as far as I know).
    12. 0
      16 February 2016 20: 24
      They were supplied ... NATO is doing everything, or rather the USA - it is a dragon with three heads! Greed, Genocide, Fraud ... Chop all three head off !!!
    13. +5
      16 February 2016 20: 32
      Quote: iConst
      It seems they didn’t deliver lethal ones?

      German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen on April 15, 2015 in Vilnius announced her intention to implement plans to supply the Lithuanian Armed Forces 12 units. 155-mm self-propelled artillery PzH-2000.
      Nemchura, led by Mergel, are "fluffy" and honor the code, but there are Lithuania and Poland. ".... Self-propelled howitzers will be transferred by Berlin from the weapons used by the German armed forces in Afghanistan. According to the representative of the Lithuanian army, Colonel Romualdas Petkevicius, the self-propelled guns and related equipment should arrive in Lithuania in 2016" ..... ...
      Thus, the Lithuanian-Ukrainian agreement on mutual military assistance, concluded a year ago, which no other NATO state took the risk of, really works. And these self-propelled guns, it seems, did not even visit Lithuania, but went straight through Poland to Eastern Ukraine. And the fact that Germany is behind all this looks very ominous.
      If the fact of the transfer of the ACS is confirmed, and the installation of 55tn cannot be hidden in the "hay", then a precedent has been created for the transfer of lethal weapons by a NATO member country (Lithuania) to the Kiev regime.
      1. 0
        16 February 2016 20: 41
        Quote: kapitan92
        12 units 155-mm self-propelled artillery PzH-2000.

        12 and 30 is there a difference?
        PS. Not 12, but 21 (12 so, the rest for spare parts)

        Lithuania signed a contract for EUR58.3 million (USD65.4 million) with Germany 29 September 2015 on 21 Panzerhaubitze 2000 155 mm self-propelled artillery (SPA) systems.

        FIRST DELIVERY (start) PLANNED FOR Q2-3, 2016 (in the courtyard Q1 has not yet ended) ..
        And the Lithuanians scrape together money.
        The Germans still need to bring them back to life in the most ABLE 80 units (on paper)

        END OF DELIVERY IN 2019

        All in accordance with the decree of the Lithuanian Ministry of National Defense.

        Quote: kapitan92
        And these self-propelled guns, it seems, did not even visit Lithuania, but went straight through Poland to Eastern Ukraine.


        Yeah .. and no one saw the PRR / feasibility study transportation, etc.


        1. +4
          16 February 2016 21: 10
          [quote = opus] 12 and 30 is there a difference? [/ quote]
          Of course, there is a difference. Who told you that 30 units appeared in Ukraine, Is this according to the representative of New Russia ???
          [quote = opus] [quote = kapitan92] 12 units. 155-mm self-propelled artillery PzH-2000. [/ Quote]
          12 and 30 is there a difference?


          "... Lithuania signed a contract for EUR58.3 million (USD65.4 million) with Germany 29 September 2015 for 21 Panzerhaubitze 2000 155 mm self-propelled artillery (SPA) systems ".....
          Lithuania has signed a contract with Germany for the supply of 16 self-propelled artillery mounts (self-propelled guns) from the Bundeswehr arsenal, DeutscheWelle reports. It is noted that German Minister of Defense Ursula von der Leyen agreed to sell 12 self-propelled guns to Lithuania. According to Romualdas Petkevichyus, Colonel of the Lithuanian Army, responsible for arms purchases, at a meeting of military experts of the two countries at the beginning of May 2015, it became known about the delivery of four more vehicles.
          "....... The Germans still need to bring them to their senses from the UNCAPABLE 80 units themselves (on paper)" ...
          The Germans told you that !?
          And to put this equipment by rail through Poland is a small problem.
          1. +1
            17 February 2016 00: 42
            Quote: kapitan92
            This is according to the representative of New Russia ???

            Yes, and the author of this article.
            / Both the author and the news agency HP-nonsense are /
            Quote: kapitan92
            It is noted that German Minister of Defense Ursula von der Lajen agreed to sell 12 self-propelled guns to Lithuania
            I basically do not care what was attributed to Ursula.
            I am your contract official and prices that match the Croatian contract
            Quote: kapitan92
            The Germans told you that !?

            Yes. I know the real state of them with this (and not only)
            Quote: kapitan92
            this technique by rail through Poland is a small problem.

            even some.
            1. 100% light
            2.not so "easy" maybe the track doesn’t fit.
            Track of railways of Russia, the CIS and the Baltic countries, the world


            This is Ukraine-Romania, but not the essence: the same with Poland

            and the Roco Heavy duty wagon, again, does not allow changing the trolley "just like that".

            This is not a trivial operation. When NATO was designed, the Germans did not count on drang nach Osten, they prepared quickly, quickly drang nach westen
    14. 0
      16 February 2016 20: 36
      Fritz drove, although I do not believe it because I read about the Abrams and Negroes about 20 times but never showed them!
      1. 0
        16 February 2016 21: 33
        Quote: shark913
        Fritz drove, although I do not believe it because I read about the Abrams and Negroes about 20 times but never showed them!

        And I have the same avatar! laughing
    15. +1
      16 February 2016 21: 24
      Quote: iConst
      It seems they didn’t deliver lethal ones?

      And this is not lethal, it is creeping.
    16. 0
      16 February 2016 21: 41
      How did they get it! But you can’t sprinkle ruin with dust or bleach? What not to hear about her already
    17. 0
      16 February 2016 22: 04
      Quote: iConst
      I do not understand - where are the howitzers?

      It seems they didn’t deliver lethal ones?

      Precisely, this is the question I would like to ask!
  2. +17
    16 February 2016 18: 16
    PzH 2000 hardly anyone will trust Khokhlov, they will break it or drink it.
    1. +5
      16 February 2016 18: 22
      Without a photo, the price of such statements is worthless.
    2. +1
      16 February 2016 18: 28
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      PzH 2000 hardly anyone will trust Khokhlam.
      - And to pshekam?
      These guys easily trample there.
      1. +2
        16 February 2016 18: 47
        Psheks Lviv will be taken away - they will not reach Donbass - there are no suicides
        1. +1
          16 February 2016 18: 54
          well, so it’s necessary to stir up the southeast, fail everything and introduce the Polish army into the lions ...
  3. +2
    16 February 2016 18: 16
    Drang nah osten? The Germans, too, want to test the desire in a combat situation? Do not rush, the frosts have passed, however, the February snowstorms ... No, let us by the end of the year, we are in the queue.
  4. +1
    16 February 2016 18: 16
    Signs from behind a puddle are waiting! Here it is "lethal" materialized! If true, then they, for these German self-propelled guns, with double zeal will clatter! The memory of the people, at the genetic level has been registered! And if he is also a military adviser, he will turn up from hotland from hotland!
  5. +1
    16 February 2016 18: 16
    APU transferred to the contact line in the anti-terrorist operation zone the Strela-10 anti-aircraft complex and about 30 PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzers

    Seriously begin to prepare.
    1. 0
      16 February 2016 19: 18
      Quote: SAM 5
      APU transferred to the contact line in the anti-terrorist operation zone the Strela-10 anti-aircraft complex and about 30 PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzers

      Seriously begin to prepare.

      It is rather a fake. Now this is for fun. Strengthen the advanced tipil. I laugh at it.
      Former police officers can prove themselves in a new place.
      Police officers who have not passed recertification will be offered jobs in the State Tax Administration of Donetsk and Lugansk Regions. The corresponding order was signed by the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov, reports the League.
      Very necessary people on the front end. laughing
  6. 0
    16 February 2016 18: 17
    So what? Are you going to scare Russia again? Forgot about the boilers or recall ... Kiev boiler will be the last!
    1. +1
      16 February 2016 18: 22
      Maybe right away Lviv?
  7. +3
    16 February 2016 18: 18
    What, masks are ripped off gentlemen? Does Frau Merkel sign the Minsk Agreements with one hand, acting as a guarantor of a ceasefire, and with the other hand sign a permit for the supply of lethal weapons? And they still something about Syria and Crimea blather.
  8. +3
    16 February 2016 18: 18
    Carapace Fafe? Wouldn’t be crazy. Especially figure 30
    1. +4
      16 February 2016 18: 36
      Quote: Tusv
      Carapace Fafe? Wouldn’t be crazy. Especially figure 30

      According to Wikipedia, Germany has 185 of them. 30 it’s really a bit too much, it turns out that every six Ukrainians were sent, and also with them ammunition, other supplies and German soldiers for the admirers of Bandera’s expensive equipment is unlikely to be trusted.
      All this is unlikely and unlikely to be true.
      1. +4
        16 February 2016 18: 57
        I agree - noodles on the ears. What can you sell well ... throw in the trash? The Germans, by the way, complained about the complexity of the service and said - the day shoots - they restore the week. And do you trust cyborgs? wassat laughing
        1. +1
          16 February 2016 20: 00
          Quote: KBR109
          I agree - noodles on the ears. What can you sell well ... throw in the trash? The Germans, by the way, complained about the complexity of the service and said - the day shoots - they restore the week. And entrust this to cyborgs ? wassat laughing

          Why not? KYBORG GOBIK ... Well, it's so beautiful!
  9. +4
    16 February 2016 18: 19
    Thus, Ukrainian punishers continue to consider the forceful solution to the conflict in the Donbass as the main ...


    Thus, the Russian authorities should consider the resolution of the conflict in Donbass with the help of punishers as genocide of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine and take all possible measures to prevent it ... Be prepared for everything ...
    soldier
  10. +8
    16 February 2016 18: 20
    This is a fake, and you are being carried on as children :)
    1. +2
      16 February 2016 18: 26
      It’s clear that it’s a fake, because by reference there is nothing similar. But our opinion, in which case, let them know ...
  11. +3
    16 February 2016 18: 20
    If German sau really appeared there, then this is already an open intervention, and Russia is obliged to annul the Minsk agreement and begin to openly supply the republics with equipment and weapons, as well as to send out spies of the West better known as the chased "OSCE" from the territory of the republics!
  12. +3
    16 February 2016 18: 21
    something gnawing doubts what Bundesovo technique and in such quantities request even if the Baltic states (flat friends) are thrown off, it’s still not so much
    1. PKK
      0
      16 February 2016 20: 14
      The delivery of such a large quantity of large artillery to the borders of Russia is a provocative demarche in our direction. No Moscow can leave such a strain unanswered. It turns out that Moscow, in response, can give reciprocal armament to Donbass to cover people. region. Personally from me, I would add earthmoving equipment to the militias, but it will still be sewn.
  13. +1
    16 February 2016 18: 21
    About the deployment of air defense systems - either they are preparing a new provocation, or they are seriously waiting for our aviation.
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  15. +1
    16 February 2016 18: 23
    And whose crews are on the panzers?
  16. +4
    16 February 2016 18: 24
    Something does not believe in German howitzers. You have to pay for them, and here the question arises: Where is the money, Zin? Yes, and crew training, ammunition. The APU has not yet ditched all its scrap metal.
  17. +1
    16 February 2016 18: 26
    Ukrainians give out wishful thinking (and Donbass bought a fake in the near media - or rather somewhere on the network)
  18. +4
    16 February 2016 18: 27
    I don’t believe .... Germans would not supply the most advanced equipment. PzH 2000 is considered one of the best art.
    shaved the old bobiks, the Americans didn’t finish the hammers, the Germans could have put a couple of golfs in the 1s laughing but not art at that level!
    Although this comes as a quote from a certain Yashchenko who might dream of supplying land carriers such as the B.H. obamo!
    1. +1
      16 February 2016 18: 42
      Yes, and in a week Givi rides on a new art. No they won’t go lol
      1. +1
        16 February 2016 18: 45
        although I agree, updating the fleet of howitzers DNI / LC will not hurt! laughing
  19. 0
    16 February 2016 18: 28
    arrived train with German self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000 numbering more than 30 units ..
    Spent, brought and dumped ..
    It is clear that no one will be lucky anymore ..
    But you need to carve black metal on the spot, and then sell the scrap metal to Germany ..
    Here are the German hard workers mock and cry ..!
  20. +2
    16 February 2016 18: 28
    I went through the network, nowhere is there any information about the PzH 2000 howitzers in Ukraine.
  21. +2
    16 February 2016 18: 32
    Definitely a throw-in! Which anti-aircraft complex will they shoot down there? Kaklov green amphibian strangle to buy German howitzers !!! Yes, the Chancellor is not yet ready to follow in the footsteps of her idol with a bang and a mustache.
    1. 0
      17 February 2016 19: 20
      Quote: Hooks
      Which anti-aircraft complex will they shoot down there?

      Well, I remember when the Boeing was shot down, ours showed the positions of Ukrainian Buk
  22. +3
    16 February 2016 18: 32
    Oh well, some kind of fake. Who Ukrainians will entrust such a technique. Five more batteries at once. They stand decently, and the servants require competent, and, most importantly - shells must be bought separately, this is 155 mm, and in Ukropia shells 152! And such toys burst shells - Mama Do not Cry. So - I am inclined to think that the stuffing.
  23. 0
    16 February 2016 18: 32
    Will someone explain the performance characteristics of Arrows -10?
    1. +1
      16 February 2016 18: 43
      The complex is designed for visual observation and destruction of air targets at low altitudes.
      http://topwar.ru/20210-polkovoy-samohodnyy-zenitnyy-raketnyy-kompleks-strela-10.
      html
  24. +1
    16 February 2016 18: 33
    Either fake, or the Germans were definitely led by the mind
  25. +1
    16 February 2016 18: 33
    Quote: Rostov Dad
    It looks like a fake.

    Total produced 458 pcs. PzH-2000. In service (from Wiki):
    Germany - 185 units.
    Greece - 24 units.
    Italy - 70 units.
    Netherlands - 57 units.
    Well, you don't have to be like any Tymchuk or Bald. Although Yashchenko may have nothing to do with it, something is not right here, for example, there is no such information on "Russian Spring", but where did RIA Novosti get this "news" from?
    1. 0
      17 February 2016 00: 59
      Quote: surovts.valery
      Netherlands - 57 units.

      Netherlands 39.
      18 are free, orange refused.
      Germany tried to get them in Australia, they refused (expensive)

      18 seem to "hang", but it's nonsense that they put them on Ukarina.
      Kaklam need to study for at least 6 months,otherwise they will remain without hands


      a simulator is needed (ASF + training), repair and recovery vehicle, service (the motor there is quite gentle)

      A lot of work needs to be done on the winter version:

      he smokes in Germany at kaltstart, but what kind of "kalt" is there?
  26. 0
    16 February 2016 18: 34
    From the junta and the European "partners" you can expect only nasty and meanness.
  27. +1
    16 February 2016 18: 34
    about 30 self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000,
    Where did they even come from in Ukraine?
    1. PKK
      0
      16 February 2016 20: 20
      The presence of such a quantity of artifacts indicates the direction of the main attack of the Armed Forces, in this place.
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  28. 0
    16 February 2016 18: 35
    anti-aircraft complex "Arrow-10"
    ????? QUESTION? FOR WHAT? That's what, is it needed there? Either really, fake, or are they preparing a provocation against Russia?
  29. +2
    16 February 2016 18: 42
    What is it now, to retrain militias on German technology? laughing
  30. +2
    16 February 2016 18: 47
    I wonder who will sit inside the pan-howitzer?
    crests at least a decade to learn ...
    1. +2
      16 February 2016 21: 13
      Quote: RoninO
      crests at least a decade to learn ...

      And do not drink AT ALL, because the PzH2000 has a very harsh "automatic" loader, without proper skill it is easy to be left without a hand. Yes, here, on VO, not so long ago there was a critical article, and there was a video with the work of the crew - the loader is constantly on "treason".
  31. vmo
    +1
    16 February 2016 18: 48
    Here is a good old Fru Merkel. Either the bastards of 1945 forgot, or the Germans were definitely led by the mind
  32. +1
    16 February 2016 18: 51
    30 pieces - the quantity speaks for itself. This is more than in the Greek army. Fake
    Only four operators, so the leak of these artillery systems would have been circulated in the media for a long time. And then suddenly out of nowhere, appeared ....))) suddenly))
    Germany - 185 units.
    Greece - 24 units.
    Italy - 70 units.
    Netherlands - 57 units.
  33. +2
    16 February 2016 18: 54
    Here is a message from Lugansk news agency on this topic.

    http://lug-info.com/news/one/vsu-perebrosili-v-zonu-ato-zrk-strela-i-bolee-30-ne
    metskikh-gaubits-narodnaya-militsiya-10792
  34. +2
    16 February 2016 19: 00
    If Germany had really handed over 30 such howitzers to Ukraine, then they still wouldn’t get to the ATO, parashenko and the company would have sold them on the sly to someone. So they aren’t in Ukraine. Even if they were, now they don’t. Such goods are sold immediately , still at the border.
  35. +1
    16 February 2016 19: 03
    I don't like all this, they are preparing seriously, for the next "blitzkrieg"
    1. +1
      16 February 2016 19: 06
      They are preparing for the next boiler.
  36. +2
    16 February 2016 19: 05
    The horror is not even that in VO this is post, but that it is the authorities of the LPR who declare it (unless, of course, they declare it).
    Here in Kiev, literally, it was announced yesterday that a train with 30 tanks arrived from Russia in the DPR. Today, the LNR reports about 30 German self-propelled guns ... What are they doing in one office?
  37. +1
    16 February 2016 19: 05
    Complete nonsense! Fake definitely!
  38. -6
    16 February 2016 19: 20
    Ukraine has its howitzers with shells like shit. Thanks to the USSR. Enough for another 25 years of war. Even if they still sell to the left. 2С19 “Msta-S” has already passed all scheduled repairs. And then last year, the transporters flew. Now you don’t have to send a stick. Ukrovsko is ready for the destruction of Donbass. Although it has already been destroyed. Probably the destruction was part of the plans of Putin and Ukrainian oligarchs.
    Under the kings, the Donbass was built; under the USSR it became the largest industrial region of the planet. And under the post-Soviet oligarchs completely destroyed. Moreover, with the active participation of both the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
    1. -1
      16 February 2016 22: 02
      Quote: Goauld_Baal
      Ukraine has its howitzers with shells like shit.

      My dear, not reading any of your comments anymore, for some reason he doubted your belonging to the flag that you are positioning.
      Interested, I decided to see your opus.
      What wind brought you here? Malice, bile, some kind of resentment against everyone and everything.
      You should be on the censor. They will accept you and understand.
  39. +1
    16 February 2016 19: 25
    An obvious fake, these 30 howitzers still have a bunch of vehicles with support, ammo, tankers, etc. Air defense is also not one "Strela-10" should be, the security of at least a platoon of "Leopards". And the people to all this about 500 snouts!
    The question is who needed this fake ???? what
    1. +2
      16 February 2016 19: 33
      Maybe all the same, it was the M 109 howitzers that were fitted, not the German howitzers - shelling by 155 mm shells was already proved.
  40. +1
    16 February 2016 19: 35
    Quote: iConst
    I do not understand - where are the howitzers?

    It seems they didn’t deliver lethal ones?

    Probably from near Lviv. NATA's teachings were there last year! "Forgot" them ..
  41. 0
    16 February 2016 19: 37
    Well, if the FRG considers it possible to arm Bandera, then Russia has every right to arm any bandits and terrorists fighting against NATO, all the more so since NATO has ardently supported the Islamic terrorists Dudayev who fought against Russia.
  42. -3
    16 February 2016 19: 43
    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    Well, if the FRG considers it possible to arm Bandera, then Russia has every right to arm any bandits and terrorists fighting against NATO, all the more so since NATO has ardently supported the Islamic terrorists Dudayev who fought against Russia.

    Now a bunch of moralists will come out and say that they are above this. In short, the Russians are suffering ...
    1. +2
      16 February 2016 22: 01
      Quote: Goauld_Baal
      Quote: Corvetkapitan
      Well, if the FRG considers it possible to arm Bandera, then Russia has every right to arm any bandits and terrorists fighting against NATO, all the more so since NATO has ardently supported the Islamic terrorists Dudayev who fought against Russia.

      Now a bunch of moralists will come out and say that they are above this. In short, the Russians are suffering ...

      Here you are wrong. Not Russian, but foreign hypocrites and enemies of Russia will come out. For example, the mother of Ksenia Sobchak Narusova in Russia pretended to be an anti-fascist, and in Ukraine, she immediately joined the Bandera. These are not anti-fascists, they are shitrozopy foreign gangsters who have entrenched in Russia, who, under the guise of anti-fascism, are patronizing foreign gangsters and Russophobes in Russia. If an Azerbaijanian who is a drug dealer in Russia is beaten up for this, then those who do it will certainly be called fascists, and if in Azerbaijan they kill, rape and rob Russians, only because they are Russians, these bandits are called fighters for freedom and independence. I also want to see Russia free from foreign bandits and a hamla!
  43. +1
    16 February 2016 19: 47
    It is necessary to redeem them for quick militias, a good product.
  44. +2
    16 February 2016 19: 50
    Quote from wiki.
    The PzH 2000 is capable of firing three shells in nine seconds or ten in 56 seconds at a range of up to 30 km. The howitzer holds a world record - at a firing range in South Africa, she fired 56 km with a V-LAP (active-rocket projectile with improved aerodynamics).
    By the totality of indicators, the PzH 2000 is considered the most advanced serial self-propelled guns in the world [source not specified 116 days]. Self-propelled guns earned extremely high marks from independent experts; So, the Russian specialist O. Zheltonozhko defined it as a reference system for the present, which all manufacturers of self-propelled artillery mounts are guided by.
    Too cool for Ukraine, break / lose / drink.
    1. PKK
      +1
      16 February 2016 20: 37
      A projectile in three seconds? And the howitzer manages to dampen the vibrations from the shot, recharges as needed, stabilize, re-aim and shoot again! The Germans make good technique.
    2. +2
      16 February 2016 21: 19
      Tomorrow it will be necessary to go to the flea market - to look, maybe grannies are already pushing for parts? laughing
    3. +5
      16 February 2016 21: 36
      Quote: BISMARCK94
      Self-propelled guns earned extremely high marks from independent experts;

      The first self-propelled guns were tested in 2006 in Afghanistan, by the way, it proved to be quite good. The installation is serious. If we assume that the NATO troops nevertheless delivered self-propelled guns to Ukraine, then the problem of counter-battery combat with them arises. Firing range of various types of ammunition from 24-40km. There is no aviation in the Donbass (SU 25 1 airplane) I do not think there is no MSTA, SAUs are weak.
      Boom hope article fake!
  45. 0
    16 February 2016 19: 51
    and why do they need a missile defense? Boeing flies again?
  46. -1
    16 February 2016 19: 51
    Quote: iConst
    I do not understand - where are the howitzers?

    And I did not understand: where is the swastika? ..
  47. +2
    16 February 2016 20: 11
    the first is where the little pig gained 37 million euros
    secondly, if the Bundes put in Ukraine a similar technique would be an international scandal
    and thirdly, the moderators are engaged not only in the vocabulary of the forum, but also in the actual content of the site, this jaundice already tires the erased news and outright fakes
    1. 0
      16 February 2016 22: 48
      What international scandal are you talking about - in Odessa, 50 people were burned and something - in the world they are not particularly worried about this, nor are they worried about the thousands of people killed in the Donbass - in the West, nobody cares - they have other problems.
      1. 0
        16 February 2016 23: 05
        Quote: Vadim237
        In Odessa, 50 people were burned and something - in the world they are not particularly worried about this

        here is completely different, in fact, the participation of the NATO country in a military conflict
        1. 0
          16 February 2016 23: 10
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          here is completely different, in fact, the participation of the NATO country in a military conflict

          Well, they don’t participate .. They just deliver a Soviet-style flyer, but their loot is more, and PMCs are the same.
          1. 0
            17 February 2016 08: 42
            they can and do participate, but never officially, but the supply of thirty self-propelled guns is completely different and they are well aware of this and understand that as soon as they take such a step, Russian troops will immediately find themselves in Lviv
  48. +2
    16 February 2016 20: 12
    Guys, if you look at it from the other side ... They write so many nasty things about Russia, about destroyed hospitals, and about mass deaths of civilians, and God knows what else ... Why can't we smartly, as A said Raikin "turn on the fool"?
    -Reply ZPT wheels did not receive ZPT send pumps TCHK
  49. Sly
    0
    16 February 2016 20: 17
    Quote: agronomist2
    This is a fake, and you are being carried on as children :)

    fakes also need to discuss and check
  50. 0
    16 February 2016 20: 21
    Dear, howitzers could have arrived from Lithuania, 12 units were purchased, so they introduced them in the framework of the Polish-Ukrinsko-Lithuanian brigade, but the number of barrels is an overkill
    1. 0
      16 February 2016 20: 49
      Quote: 31rus
      Dear, howitzers could come from Lithuania, 12 pieces were purchased,

      NOT ONE set yet!
      -the Germans are all dead, and the Lithuanians cannot rake money.
      The first shipment for June-July 2016, the last for 2019.
      Threat.
      And not 12, but a contract for 21 pieces (50% for spare parts)
      Quote: 31rus
      the framework of the Polish-Ukrainian-Lithuanian brigade

      the team needs to learn at least 6 months, even if there (in the brigade) some great kakly, for so -not manage to manage.
      What about the infrastructure?
      MTO, ammunition, oil change, filters, bolts, nuts, etc.
      LAUGH
  51. 0
    16 February 2016 20: 31
    If they really installed it, then it looks like the miners will soon have new self-propelled guns
  52. 0
    16 February 2016 21: 01
    Quote: sabakina
    Guys, if you look at it from the other side ... They write so many nasty things about Russia, about destroyed hospitals, and about mass deaths of civilians, and God knows what else ... Why can't we smartly, as A said Raikin "turn on the fool"?
    -Reply ZPT wheels did not receive ZPT send pumps TCHK


    Yes, this is what we do, at least at VO. Well, according to this article, about six OGAIs will surface in the Dnieper-Bug estuary
  53. +4
    16 February 2016 21: 42
    Quote: viktor561
    Psheks Lviv will be taken away - they will not reach Donbass - there are no suicides

    There may be no suicides, but there are mercenaries who are already fighting in the Donbass on the side of the Khokhlomans.
  54. 0
    16 February 2016 22: 25
    I specifically read the militia reports for February 15 and 16. There is nothing like that in the reports.
  55. Old
    0
    16 February 2016 23: 19
    It's a lie! if today were April 1st. You could smile. Nice site, interesting historical materials...
    Why kill your own authority? Stupid.
  56. 0
    17 February 2016 00: 41
    I propose to consider the resumption of hostilities in the Donbass in conjunction with the beginning of the invasion of Syria by Turkish troops and Co.If they climb in Syria, then they will climb in the Donbass.So to speak, they will hit from several directions at once.
  57. 0
    17 February 2016 02: 14
    This means that he finally transferred an anti-aircraft complex and German self-propelled howitzers to the Donbass... Well, well! lol Oh well!! wassat Here a surprise awaits them feel unexpected unexpected bully ha ha ha !!!
  58. 0
    17 February 2016 04: 28
    These are howitzers for the Kyiv Special Military District of the Ukrainian Armed Forces...Summer is approaching, prices are going down, how else can UKRALINE fight back from the Romanians and fraternal Poles, if not with a NATO caliber, taking into account captured ammunition..
  59. 0
    17 February 2016 05: 33
    Well, when things start in Ukraine, then we’ll see.
    And I think that Novorossia will also be able to find something interesting.
  60. 0
    17 February 2016 05: 50
    Lithuania reached an agreement with Germany on the acquisition of self-propelled howitzers, the military-industrial complex reports, citing the head of the military department of the republic, Juozas Olekas.

    Lithuania buys German self-propelled guns "Panzergaubitze-2000"


    “The relevant agreement will be signed on Tuesday,” said Olekas.

    The defense department clarified that this is about the purchase of an “21 self-propelled 155-millimeter howitzer model“ Panzerhaubitze-2000 ”(Panzerhaubitze 2000)”.

    According to the representative of the department, “sixteen of them will be put into service with the Lithuanian army, two will be used for training, three for spare parts.”

    The first howitzers must enter the republic in 2016.
    Here’s a September article.....here’s 2016 outside the window......and here are self-propelled guns
  61. 0
    17 February 2016 08: 57
    Information about self-propelled guns is complete nonsense. I don't even want to discuss it. The first rule of a scout in Donbass: “Don’t trust anyone. Neither local residents, nor local militias.” This is their habit. One day I mastered running on all fours from an armored personnel carrier and swore off.
  62. 0
    17 February 2016 09: 25
    Damn. Admin, hey. Why was my comment deleted? I fought in the militia for five months, counting the entire battalion near Redkodub, they left. Can a person equated to WWII disabled people express their opinion? The information on self-propelled guns is false. And in general, any data reported by local residents or local militias does not inspire confidence in me. There are repeated sad experiences. Well, they are nonsense, that’s their mentality. Both in western and eastern Ukraine.
  63. +1
    17 February 2016 10: 42
    With the cost of one PzH 2000 artillery installation being about 5-7 million euros, can you get 30 pieces at once? Where does Zin's money come from? Well, even if with wholesale purchases the price dropped to 3,5-3,4 million, it’s still not cheap.
    At the same time, the country must produce the appropriate ammunition or purchase it, which for 30 vehicles will be quite expensive.
  64. 0
    17 February 2016 11: 52
    Who would give expensive weapons systems to these bastards!? Sell? What kind of shishi? What about the shells? What about training?
    Bullshit. Why might they be needed if the gunmen still have enough guns!
    And there is a very high probability that the kakly themselves will sell these self-propelled guns to the DPR-LPR!
  65. 0
    17 February 2016 14: 03
    Isn’t this the same self-propelled gun that bites off the loader’s hands with its rammer? feel Then stoned Ukrainians will be left without hands.
  66. 0
    17 February 2016 17: 24
    Yes, this is crazy, what kind of howitzers are there?

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