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Caliber Cruise Missiles and the INF Treaty

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As you know, in accordance with the INF Treaty, neither Russia (as the successor of the USSR), nor the United States can design, manufacture and deploy ground-based missile systems with a range of between 500 km and 5000 km. But ingenious Yankees are constantly looking for loopholes in this Treaty in order to gain advantages over Russia in this matter and at the same time accuse Russia of violating this Treaty, not embarrassed by their unfounded accusations, sucked from the finger, and forcing Russia to constantly make excuses for what it did not commit. It’s long time ago to put an end to such practice and find its own ways to deter NATO’s creeping east aggression and the Pentagon’s planned deployment of modernized atomic bombs in Europe and training tactical pilots aviation NATO application of this weapons.




Since the ground placement of small and medium-range missiles is prohibited, it means that they should be placed on the water and in the air, for which our famous Calibers are very suitable. This means not so much the construction of frigates, corvettes, submarines, which is expensive and requires a long time, especially with the problems of non-delivery of Ukrainian and German power plants for our warships under construction. Quite real, in my opinion, a way out of this situation could be implemented by upgrading existing civil ships of the river-sea class with the aim of installing Calibrov launchers on them with minimal deployment of various weapons on them for the necessary self-defense. Pieces of twenty such PUs could well fit in the hull of such vessels.

Such launching platforms could be used from the water area of ​​our naval bases, i.e. with the existing nominal range of Caliber, there is no need for these platforms to go on long hikes. Their security will be provided by the air defense forces of our bases and coastal missile battalions. For example, from our base in Baltiysk, the caliber with nuclear warheads will override most of Europe, where practically those NATO members who are aggressively disposed towards Russia will end up. Placing three or four such platforms there, we will bring a decent horror to our "partners." It would also be possible to mark a couple of such platforms on Lake Donuzlav in the Crimea, one could consider the option of placing platforms in the navigable part on the Don River in the middle and upstream or on the Pskov Lake. And having placed such platforms in Vladivostok, we will get all of Japan at gunpoint, which will noticeably cool the heat of too hot samurai heads.

There are not so many options in the Calibrov air placement as in the sea, but they are. In this case, it would be possible to use airships with cross-laying PU, taking into account the large capacity of these aeronautical structures. And located a meter above the ground, these launchers can no longer be attributed to the ground. They could be placed on our base at m. Schmidt, if necessary, you can move closer to the Bering Strait, then both the USA and Canada will be under our aim.

These are my thoughts aloud, and I will be glad if someone sees in this presentation a grain of truth, and not just another manila.
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  1. andre
    andre 18 February 2016 13: 00
    11
    Giant thoughts? fool Well, nothing to say, Kisa Vorobyaninov laughing .It is still not enough to place all the cards and plans on a silver platter.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 18 February 2016 13: 06
      23

      I especially liked this:

      And located a meter above the ground, these launchers can no longer be attributed to ground


      Giant Thoughts fully confirmed his name

      soldier
      1. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 18 February 2016 13: 22
        +9
        You can also make pads on the basis of four adjacent trees, also a meter above the ground! laughing
        Populate the fuck all the forests! + disguise !!!
        Ameripedos will go insane in general! wassat
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 18 February 2016 13: 36
          19
          Quote: Pravdarm
          You can also make pads on the basis of four adjacent trees, also a meter above the ground!

          good And I heard that these "Calibers" can be loaded into sea containers and they immediately come into a firing position on their own, on command.

          Imagine a port, for example, New York or, for example, Los Angeles ... And in which of these containers "Caliber"?
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 18 February 2016 13: 49
            14
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            And in which of these containers "Caliber"?

            Yeah, with a disguise is not very, of course there is one in camouflage with a red star. recourse
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 18 February 2016 16: 18
              +5
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              And in which of these containers "Caliber"?

              Yeah, with a disguise is not very, of course there is one in camouflage with a red star. recourse

              The first one I got was taken, but for some reason the gantry crane turned out to be with hieroglyphs ... By golly, not on purpose. Not even the Chinese at all meant. Although what the hell is not joking ...

              Just now I considered when a camouflage container with a star was looking ... laughing
              1. Talgat
                Talgat 18 February 2016 19: 48
                +3
                Here everyone laughed joked

                But in fact, the Giant of thought did not come up with anything new - since he, the Russian leadership also thinks, we all understand. that the calibers were placed on RTOs in the Caspian Sea (and they can float along the Volga - no worse than missile trains), bypassing the contract.
                And the idea with an airship is not so ridiculous
                1. Throw
                  Throw 18 February 2016 20: 15
                  -1
                  The article is just a break of templates and an explosion of novelty!
                  Where has the Giant been for the past six months?
                  Does he even know that we still have databases in Syria? laughing

                  What "manilovism", rockets need to be stamped, but where to stick in, we'll find bully
                2. gergi
                  gergi 18 February 2016 21: 03
                  0
                  Set on any barge and sail along the rivers. The miracle of rockets. Everything has already been invented.
          2. Senior manager
            Senior manager 18 February 2016 15: 00
            +2
            But it is not said that it is impossible to place it on the lands of New York, and then you can blame the states for placing our missiles on the ground.
          3. BilliBoms09
            BilliBoms09 18 February 2016 15: 40
            0
            There are not as many options in the air placement of the Gauges as in the sea, but they are.
            I read somewhere that in the USSR they developed air-based ballistic missile systems. They were supposed to be based on transport aircraft and launch from the air. It would be air, nuclear trains - it is impossible to track.
          4. vladimir_krm
            vladimir_krm 18 February 2016 18: 53
            0
            Only there are not quite Caliber, but Club-K. I am sure that on all container ships at least one little thing, but they cost :) With a trained crew. And also at the Russian embassy in the United States also stands, brought in as diplomatic mail, not subject to inspection. By the way, Suvorov-Rezun threw the idea, let him be punished :)

            And Gauges - yes, on all sea and river vessels, on barges, on landing stages ... :)
        2. LVMI1980
          LVMI1980 18 February 2016 13: 45
          0
          this is not terrestrial, maybe, it transfers the force to the soil, not to water laughing
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      3. atalef
        atalef 18 February 2016 13: 30
        +2
        Quote: bulvas
        The Giant of Thoughts fully confirmed his name

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    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 February 2016 13: 11
      +1
      Quote: andre
      Giant thoughts? Well, nothing to say, Kisa Vorobyaninov

      no, not Kisa ... this is the local Captain Evidence! read comments-deliver! lol
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 February 2016 13: 32
      12
      As I read on one of the sites, now the most popular service on the Internet is the Googlemaps line, which measure 1500-2600 km, and scratch turnips ............
      1. cap
        cap 18 February 2016 13: 43
        +5
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        As I read on one of the sites, now the most popular service on the Internet is the Googlemaps line, which measure 1500-2600 km, and scratch turnips ............


        The best answer. +
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 18 February 2016 13: 53
          11
          Quote: cap
          Quote: Denis Obukhov
          As I read on one of the sites, now the most popular service on the Internet is the Googlemaps line, which measure 1500-2600 km, and scratch turnips ............


          The best answer. +

          I read it somehow on the Internet. The story is on behalf of an eyewitness, but, in my opinion, this is a joke.

          In the trolleybus next to me are a military dad with his son, about 10 years old.

          - Dad, how long does it take to fly to America?
          - 23 minutes.
          - And Petka says it's 11 o’clock.
          - Well, maybe 24 minutes ... Dunce is your Petka ...

          And then I notice a dad on the sleeve of the Strategic Rocket Forces chevron ...
          laughing
          1. cap
            cap 18 February 2016 17: 48
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A

            I read it somehow on the Internet. The story is on behalf of an eyewitness, but, in my opinion, this is a joke.


            Petka is definitely "dunce" laughing
            When they composed an anecdote in the collar tabs there were two crossed guns, which the missilemen themselves called "I will not hit a finger" when they asked which troops they served, meaning that it was enough for strategic troops to press a button. Then many were not allowed to speak out loud. Really, the Strategic Missile Forces, a force that does not allow the potential adversary to relax. Demonstration of a fundamentally new weapon with the characteristics of "Caliber", heartburn for NATO, which I see in the comments on this thread. On which there are different "doves of peace." Let them watch and “rejoice” at nothing. Radii are drawn to compasses.
    5. Dr. Stein
      Dr. Stein 18 February 2016 16: 12
      0
      Yeah, and also launch into space under the guise of Mir-2 station
    6. GSH-18
      GSH-18 18 February 2016 18: 15
      +1
      It is quite real, in my opinion, a way out of this situation could be realized by modernizing the existing civilian river-sea vessels with the aim of installing launchers of Caliber on them with minimal placement of various weapons on them for the necessary self-defense. About twenty such launchers could well fit in the hull of such ships.

      Dear AUTHOR, you slept through the most interesting things along the way. Cruise missiles "Caliber" have long been packed in shipping containers and in this form under the name "Club-K" are transported by all types of transport in certain zones of our territory and adjacent waters! Such things, before you write an article, you need to know!
    7. GSH-18
      GSH-18 18 February 2016 18: 17
      0
      In this case, it would be possible to use airships with transverse posting PU

      The author clearly blew something unconventional lol
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 February 2016 13: 00
    12
    in the 90s there were already KR series "X". We didn't have the Glonnas system, and this is one of the important components of the complex. We lagged behind in component base. If there was no collapse, then by 2000 the issue would have been resolved. And then say thank you that the whole country has remained. The main difference now is in the AX variants. He can retarget already in flight or look for a target in a given area (option). Caliber cannot do this yet. But, the main thing here is that the infrastructure has been created, the launch vehicles have been created and there is a unification between missiles in different branches of the military. And adding a new sensor or computer to the "brains" of the CD is a matter of modernization.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 18 February 2016 13: 31
      +1
      And where did you get such information about the latest rocket, most of which are classified?
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      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 18 February 2016 14: 13
        0
        Read the Military Review and the foreign press ...
        1. gg.na
          gg.na 18 February 2016 15: 24
          +4
          Quote: Zaurbek
          foreign press ...

          If you believe the press then RUSSIA is an isolated country, winked Our President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is not shaking hands belay , and the RUSSIAN economy is torn to shreds repeat ... in bully as!!!
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          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 18 February 2016 16: 32
            -1
            And if you do not read, then we have everything "Has no analogues"
        2. Muvka
          Muvka 18 February 2016 15: 56
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Read the Military Review and the foreign press ...

          Seriously? In press? Classified information. All clear. OK.
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      4. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 18 February 2016 15: 49
        0
        And you, Muvka is not a spy by chance? All the characteristics are of interest to you.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 18 February 2016 15: 57
          +3
          I'm not interested. The person above claims that our calibers cannot be redirected in flight. And I say that most of the characteristics are kept secret and where does such confidence come from in a person, I don’t understand.
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          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 18 February 2016 16: 36
            0
            Therefore, why we do not have long-range UAVs. Communication is also a technology and should also be developed. New satellites should be built, etc. Wat, when we get UAVs of the type Predator or Global Hawk, then the Gauges will get this option. Moscow was not built in a day.
            1. the polar
              the polar 18 February 2016 18: 42
              +1
              The change in the flight route of the KR in dynamics is mainly determined by the presence of the state's space constellation of communication satellites. And the flight range of a solid-propellant cruise missile can be quickly set by the block design of the main engine and performed on the territory of the military unit. This task can be solved with the availability of highly qualified designers and the availability of appropriate technologies. Judging by the "Caliber", this problem has been solved. Thus, the legal essence of the "SMR Treaty" is not affected, while the radius of the potential enemy's operational reach is significantly increased.
    2. LVMI1980
      LVMI1980 18 February 2016 13: 49
      +1
      not only GLONASS, the other day there was a report (I don't remember here or elsewhere), where the phrase about "correlation" guidance systems was heard. it is closer to the concept of a digital map. but somewhat different
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      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 18 February 2016 13: 58
        -1
        Domestic correlation systems (compact) have also appeared recently.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 18 February 2016 15: 02
          +4
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Domestic correlation systems (compact) have also appeared recently.

          ... what about the 3M10? from the complex RK-55 "Relief" ... hi ... pictured 1988 year Jelgava ..
          The design is a normal aerodynamic configuration with wings deployed after launch and an engine located inside the fuselage. The wings folded each into its own niche in the fuel tank in the rocket hull backward in flight. In contrast to similar KRBD type X-55 developed by MKB "Raduga", the KS-122 missiles after the start did not move the main engine out of the fuselage. Rudders and rudders are all-rotary folding.
          The control and guidance system is an autonomous inertial one with correction from the reliefometric correlation-extreme correction system. The correction system includes a digital computer, a radio altimeter, a storage system for digital matrix maps of correction areas and a flight task. The principles of the correction system are based on the work of Academician Krasovsky. The development of onboard equipment for the guidance system and a complex of technical means for preparing flight tasks was carried out by the Research Institute of Instrument Engineering (Moscow, director - A.S. Abramov). Blocks of different avionics systems are made in their own housings, electric cables, as a rule, are not "multi-tailed".
          ... and this is the development of the 80s ... do not bring nonsense, do not mislead people ... hi
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 18 February 2016 15: 08
            +1
            ... and with what accuracy did they allow to launch a rocket at that time? for JBF, It was enough. On the Su-30MKI French stand with laser gyroscopes (2000..year) our analogues appeared 5 years ago. So the Caliber shot in 2015 ... and appeared on the Su-30-35.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 18 February 2016 15: 15
              +2
              Quote: Zaurbek
              ... and with what accuracy did they allow to launch a rocket at that time? for JBF, It was enough. On the Su-30MKI French stand with laser gyroscopes (2000..year) our analogues appeared 5 years ago. So the Caliber shot in 2015 ... and appeared on the Su-30-35.

              ... KVO did not exceed 150 m. ... TTX missiles:
              Missile length with launch rocket solid propellant rocket - 8090 mm
              TPK Length - 8390 mm
              Wingspan - 3300 mm
              TPK diameter - 650 mm
              Rocket fuselage diameter - 510 mm

              Starting mass - approx. 1700 kg
              The mass of the Kyrgyz Republic with TPK - 2440 kg
              Warhead weight - up to 200 kg

              Range - 2600 km / 2900 km (maximum, data not confirmed)
              Cruising speed - 0.7-0.9 M
              Cruising ceiling - about 200 m

              The interval between missile launches of one SPU is at least 1 s
              Launch time from full alert upon receipt of a command - 1 min
              Deployment time from traveling to combat and vice versa - 15 minutes
              Type warhead - nuclear, with a capacity of 200 ct.
              ... 2600 for a conventional penetrating warhead or OF, 2900 for a special warhead ... hi
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              2. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 18 February 2016 15: 18
                +2
                KVO-150m and Caliber-5m
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 18 February 2016 15: 33
                  +4
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  KVO-150m and Caliber-5m

                  ... and, the year 1986 and 2015, what does the thread tell you about? ... an ax flew in those years with the same KVO ... A tornado per 100 km had the same KVO 150 m in those years ... hi
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                  2. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 18 February 2016 16: 45
                    0
                    The tornado has nothing to do with it; it flies along a ballistic trajectory and other laws. AX already during the Iraq war had an accuracy of 5-10m. And only this indicator brings conventional weapons closer to tactical nuclear weapons according to the results of their application.
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 18 February 2016 17: 07
                      +2
                      Quote: Zaurbek
                      AX already during the Iraq war had an accuracy of 5-10m. And only this indicator brings conventional weapons closer to tactical nuclear weapons according to the results of their application.

                      ... Caliber has been like more than 10 years ... the year of development 2004 ... well, in any case, officially announced 3M14E ... a, the first mention dates back to 2001 ... Encyclopedia "Arms and Technologies of Russia". 2001 ... once again I will propose not to fool people and not to scare the super-duper with faffles, in the form of a mattress ax ... well, it's ridiculous ... laughing
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                      2. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 18 February 2016 17: 30
                        0
                        Caliber may have been. Did he fly so accurately with the NEB. When did GLONNAS become full-fledged with us? Beginning this year, consider ... Making a pipe with a motor and wings is not a problem. And it’s difficult to fly where it is necessary and fly. And the ax is not 18 years old. If the first use in 91m was.
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    3. Inok10
      Inok10 18 February 2016 15: 04
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The main difference now is in AX versions. He can retarget already in flight or search for a target in a given area (option).

      ... give me a specific modification of an ax with such characteristics and a source of information? ... hi
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 18 February 2016 15: 09
        0
        I will try to find an article. I’m not working in a design bureau in the USA ...
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        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 February 2016 15: 14
          +1
          There is a technical possibility for the missile to patrol in the area of ​​the intended target for 3,5 hours at a distance of 400 km from the launch point until it receives a command to hit the target, or use the missile as a UAV for additional reconnaissance of an already hit target. The total order of the Navy for a new missile in the period from 2003 to 2008 amounted to 1353 units. SLCM "Tactical Tomahok" Block 4 began to enter service with the US Navy in 2004. In total, it is planned to purchase 2200 SLCMs of this type.
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          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 18 February 2016 15: 15
            0
            http://dokwar.ru/publ/voenny_vestnik/armii_mira/krylataja_raketa_tomagavk/3-1-0-
            214
          3. Inok10
            Inok10 18 February 2016 15: 45
            +2
            Quote: Zaurbek
            There is a technical possibility

            ... just not where there is no actual confirmation ... and at what height ... as well as the capabilities of our "Caliber" are not disclosed anywhere ... hi ... and 3M14 did not come out of nowhere, this is the development of the 3M10 ground and 3M12 "Garnet" for submarines ... and judging by the indirect characteristics, the "Caliber" has all the above capabilities of the RGM / UGM-109E Tac Tom Block 4 ax
            Guidance on the final section of the trajectory is carried out using an anti-interference active radar homing head ARGS-14E, effectively emitting subtle small targets against the underlying surface.

            ... and flight:
            The flight of missiles takes place along a pre-established route, in accordance with intelligence data regarding the position of the target and the availability of air defense equipment. Missiles are capable of overcoming the zones of a developed enemy air defense system, which is ensured by extremely low flight altitudes (with enveloping the terrain) and autonomy of guidance in the "silence" mode on the main site. Correction of the flight path of the rocket on the marching section is carried out according to the satellite navigation subsystem and the terrain correction subsystem. The principle of operation of the latter is based on a comparison of the terrain of a particular missile location area with reference terrain maps along its flight path, previously stored in the memory of the onboard control system. Navigation is carried out along a complex trajectory, a missile has the ability to bypass strong enemy air defense / missile defense zones or terrain difficult terrain - by entering into the flight task coordinates of the so-called route turning points (up to 15 reference points)
            ... who will tell us what 3M14 can do ... hi
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            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 18 February 2016 16: 41
              0
              The management of the Kyrgyz Republic depends more on satellite coverage of communications with the Kyrgyz Republic of a certain territory. Compare the year of the advent of GPS and GLONNAS, here is the same lag between the appearance of our real-time-controlled Caliber.
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 18 February 2016 17: 01
                +2
                Quote: Zaurbek
                The management of the Kyrgyz Republic depends more on satellite coverage of communications with the Kyrgyz Republic of a certain territory. Compare the year of the advent of GPS and GLONNAS, here is the same lag between the appearance of our real-time-controlled Caliber.

                ... go learn the materiel ... the old man P-700 "Granit" ... had the ability to correct it from a military satellite, but the life cycle was 48 hours .. but if such a booze begins ... it won't give a damn ... laughing
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                2. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 18 February 2016 17: 34
                  0
                  I agree, but there were different satellites, and the last one fell a long time ago .... And the missiles were aimed differently and mainly on iron structures ..
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            4. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 18 February 2016 16: 50
              0
              In general, you will believe it when you fall on your head, watching you CD "Tomahawk"
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 18 February 2016 16: 59
                +3
                Quote: Zaurbek
                In general, you will believe it when you fall on your head, watching you CD "Tomahawk"

                ... yeah, I’ll wait, fall down without fail ... like a junk brought down ... laughing
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 18 February 2016 18: 12
                  0
                  Your head is strong ...
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 18 February 2016 13: 00
    +9
    Well, what, I personally like the option with modern "popovka". yes
  4. meriem1
    meriem1 18 February 2016 13: 04
    +7
    Great thoughts !!!! Simple and tasteful! A simple truth has clearly emerged over the past year. They reckon with us only when they are afraid!
    PS Something there Australians have not stink for half a world for a long time! And then something became boring
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 February 2016 13: 16
      0
      In this case, you can would use airships !!! belay with transverse deployment of PU, given the large load capacity of these aeronautical structures.
      Quote: meriem1
      Great thoughts !!!! Simple and tasteful!

      laughing
  5. Maxom75
    Maxom75 18 February 2016 13: 05
    +9
    Vessels of the river-sea class will calmly accommodate more calibers, but deep modernization will be required, and this is a lot of money. Our grief economists in the government all dream of getting Kudrin's laurels and also becoming the best finance ministers from the point of view of Westerners and, as a result, do not work for the country's interests. They all try to play cards with amers without even realizing that they are constantly rewriting the rules of the game. In short, "useful idiots," as Lenin used to say, but now for Westerners.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 18 February 2016 13: 24
      -4
      ... Ulyanov - Blank .. "present" to Russia from world Jewry, it would be better if he was slaughtered in childhood ...
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 18 February 2016 15: 04
      +1
      Quote: Maxom75
      They all try to play cards with amers without even realizing that they constantly rewrite the rules of the game

      How will they understand amers if they sleep and dream of oil prices of $ 300, and not $ 30 as it is now, or maybe they are afraid of attacks of the "Dutch Disease" that shakes Kudrin so much. You cannot gamble with the state and cheaters, you will lose, but if the state -shooter like the USA; lose in twins.
    3. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 18 February 2016 18: 01
      0
      I also thought about it. Such a tanker of the Volgo-Don type goes to itself, even a rusty little one and no one knows that there is a standardized capsule with Caliber, controlled, say, from Samara. laughing
    4. Aleks.Antonov
      Aleks.Antonov 18 February 2016 19: 38
      +1
      Lenin did not say that! In other matters, like many other things that are attributed to him. This phrase was first used in 1948 in a New York Times article in relation to a Western politician. So, repeating the inventions of our "partners", you yourself are acting as a "useful idiot" for them.
      Now on the topic. To be honest, I see no reason for deep modernization. Is that, for "shavings". Take, for example, the RSD18 dry cargo ship. Vessel of the river-sea class, icebreaker type. Deadweight, t (sea / river): 5189/3528. Three holds ShhGhD - 12700x8360x27000 mm allow you to place 117 container launchers ZS-14. Or 936 Caliber missiles. True, you will need to raise the walls of the holds by 1220 mm. Well, equip this ship with a remote fire control system (shooting). But why all this?
      "To each his own". Dry cargo ships must transport different types of cargo: grain, coal, ore. "Calibers" if you need to bring them anywhere.
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 18 February 2016 13: 05
    15
    Formally, a Club-S container mounted on a dry cargo ship is not ground-based. And how many can be put there! You don’t even have to strain, redoing the ship.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 February 2016 13: 14
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      Club-S container mounted on a dry cargo ship

      how did the "Giant" forget about them ??? ay-ay-ay ...
    2. Anatoly Dobry
      Anatoly Dobry 18 February 2016 13: 21
      +3
      Club-K More precisely.
      http://topwar.ru/18852-raketnyy-kompleks-club-k-kritika-i-perspektivy.html
    3. ver_
      ver_ 18 February 2016 13: 26
      -1
      ... anahreon to redo something? - everything is in the container ..
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    5. Samoyed
      Samoyed 18 February 2016 13: 55
      -1
      it is necessary to distinguish between ship and ship. Other rules of the game.
    6. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 February 2016 14: 00
      +1
      Here is the poet Caliber and placed on the Caspian. And large ships do not need to be built and they do not need to be protected either. And the whole Middle East at gunpoint ...
      1. gg.na
        gg.na 18 February 2016 15: 37
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Here is the poet Caliber and placed on the Caspian.

        And they did it right! Everything is thought out good
        Quote: Zaurbek
        And the whole Middle East at gunpoint ...

        So it should be !!! wink bully
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    8. Maxom75
      Maxom75 18 February 2016 14: 12
      0
      and how many do you install them on the deck? Have you seen the container ship being loaded? From the top point of fixation of the container start do? But what if during a storm this container is thrown into the sea more than once? The idea is certainly a good one, but no longer for transcontinental container ships, but for support vessels of our Navy, they are not officially armed, and they don’t know grief from the heels of the containers.)))
  7. Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 18 February 2016 13: 08
    +1
    Peacefully plowing Soviet tractor (s)
    Почему нет?
  8. Sanya Rus
    Sanya Rus 18 February 2016 13: 09
    +4
    and why does the author think that we do not have such systems ?, there are a lot of container ships sailing by sea ..... go and find the container in which the "calibers" are already standing.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 18 February 2016 18: 35
      0
      The easiest way to find a rocket with a nuclear warhead is by radiation. Further, no one will dare to launch such a container on a simple ship because of the possibility of information leakage and the subsequent "inspection" of the ship in a nearby port, with a grandiose scandal. All these containers are not serious. Maybe in a threatened period they could be quickly loaded onto any trough and sent to the enemy's shores, but you also need to know about this period in advance, and who will tell you that he is preparing an attack. In general, containers are a waste of time. Better to build submarines and let them be on duty near Washington.
  9. triglav
    triglav 18 February 2016 13: 09
    +7
    Americans are all that can be broken. And we forgive them all. It is time to withdraw from these treaties.
    1. alex74nur
      alex74nur 18 February 2016 13: 38
      +3
      The Yankees unilaterally withdrew from the ABM Treaty, and for some reason Russia should justify its alleged violations of the INF Treaty.
      Although some "evil tongues" claim that Iskander's missiles can fly much further than the 500 km stipulated by the treaty.
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander 18 February 2016 18: 41
        0
        The claims of the p.i.n.d.so.so.v not to the Iskander, but to the Caliber. They claim that in the first tests of these missiles, GROUND launchers were used, which means that there is a violation of that treaty. Truth from all points of view PROVE that there were such launches is UNREALABLE! If only some defector shows up with a photo video, the attacks are all unfounded, although possible.
  10. pepel
    pepel 18 February 2016 13: 13
    +2
    As for platforms based on river-sea vessels, the idea is quite realizable. Vessels of the "Sormovsky" type are quite suitable. Airships are more of the near future than the present.
    We have the blimp building at the beginning of the way, and there is no draft airship for such a platform yet. good
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 February 2016 13: 16
    +3
    Accommodation on barges or in sea containers is possible, but very "not flexible". RTOs with decent seaworthiness are another matter. Such "Boats of Peter the Great" will add a lot of headaches to the "partners".
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  13. EvgNik
    EvgNik 18 February 2016 13: 19
    +5
    Why rafts are bad? Or pontoons installed on the anchorage. Drilling rigs, as well as high-rise buildings, are also suitable. There are tall trees in the taiga. But you never know what you can think of.
    1. cap
      cap 18 February 2016 13: 35
      +1
      Quote: EvgNik
      Why rafts are bad? Or pontoons installed on the anchorage. Drilling rigs, as well as high-rise buildings, are also suitable. There are tall trees in the taiga. But you never know what you can think of.


      What is there to think, pour and drink. drinks For "Caliber" !!!caliber
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 February 2016 13: 37
      0
      Quote: EvgNik
      There are tall trees in the taiga. But you never know what you can think of.
    3. Avantageur
      Avantageur 18 February 2016 21: 44
      -1
      Quote: EvgNik
      But you never know what you can think of.

      You can also install a couple on the "Aurora" and zhahnut on winter finals and more, if ...


  14. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 18 February 2016 13: 19
    +2
    The author swims shallowly - you need to "mount calibers on all ships and ships larger than the launch - at least a couple of missiles per watercraft wassat
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 18 February 2016 18: 49
      -1
      Not suitable purely organizational! The level of decision-making on a nuclear attack drops to a rank 3 cap. Even in the USSR, nuclear devices could be used (though only during the war) no less than the division commander (major general). And here is just a major! He can drink these missiles in the nearest port, and then what?
  15. Olfred
    Olfred 18 February 2016 13: 25
    0
    easier said than done, the modernization of civilian vessels in combat, according to the giant of thought, is it cheap? and is the game worth the candle? hi
  16. veteran2015
    veteran2015 18 February 2016 13: 26
    +1
    There are not as many options in the air placement of the Gauges as in the sea, but they are. In this case, it would be possible to use airships with a transverse posting of PU, given the large load capacity of these aeronautical structures.


    I don’t even know what to say for airships, it’s somehow cumbersome and noticeable. And are there such "airships!" we have? In my time, for the alignment of ship guidance systems, "hydrogen-filled" vehicles of the model and times of the Moscow air defense of 1941 were used. And they exploded from a lightning strike, were blown away by a strong wind and flew to China!
  17. valent45
    valent45 18 February 2016 13: 28
    +3
    The idea is a good one and you don’t need to be shy and look back at someone, all the more justified.
    The United States withdrew from the ABM Treaty and did not ask anyone. And we need it too.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 18 February 2016 19: 00
      0
      RIAC - the agreement is beneficial only to the Russian Federation. If you leave it, then right away these missiles will appear in, say, Estonia, Georgia, Poland, Ukraine and the flight time to Moscow will be about five minutes ... no missile defense or air defense will react. But the Russian Federation cannot arrange such systems near the p.i.nd.s.o.si.i ... they quarreled with Cuba, and they are already reconciling with the United States, Ecuador, Venezuela will not fit there today tomorrow pro.p. The acting SSSSKI will establish a regime ... there is nowhere else to go. Therefore, the first to leave the INF Treaty is not profitable. But preparing for the exit, it is necessary that immediately after the release, START SERIAL PRODUCTION.
  18. 31rus
    31rus 18 February 2016 13: 34
    0
    Dear, it has already been developed, this is how they correctly write the container version, we get even better than the author suggests, any road train, a truck suitable for placing a container stands somewhere in the warehouse of the fire department, like property, waiting in the wings, and at the right time, loaded and moves to a given area, the same with ships, railway, simply put the container even in the chicken coop, here they correctly noted everything depends on the filling, improve, modernize, that would make the "Caliber" as a pkr, the principle of "flock"
  19. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 18 February 2016 13: 34
    0
    Is Europe ready to become a target for our missiles with American missile defense? Or have you already thought about it?
    1. cap
      cap 18 February 2016 13: 41
      -1
      Quote: valent45
      The idea is a good one and you don’t need to be shy and look back at someone, all the more justified.
      The United States withdrew from the ABM Treaty and did not ask anyone. And we need it too.

      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Is Europe ready to become a target for our missiles with American missile defense? Or have you already thought about it?


      If everyone is given ... (explanations) it will break .... you yourself know what.
  20. Wiruz
    Wiruz 18 February 2016 13: 37
    0
    You better tell me what, on pr.22160 there are calibers? Not in the Club-K version, I mean. Or is there either Calm-1, or UKKS set? I do not like this modularity ...
  21. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 18 February 2016 13: 43
    +2
    Club-K, just a disguised modification of Caliber. For any dry cargo ship. Secretly to any civilian port.

  22. Mercenary
    Mercenary 18 February 2016 13: 50
    +1
    The giant did not mention the submarine and the "Status-6" in the compartment to the Calibers! bully
  23. Samoyed
    Samoyed 18 February 2016 14: 01
    +1
    Well done author! We continue: and if, in addition to containers, the entire launcher is sealed and turned into a maintenance-free version, then it will be extremely difficult to detect them.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 18 February 2016 16: 12
      0
      Yeah. And scatter containers along possible routes of the enemy’s AUG. At hour X, on command, a swarm of calibers attacks the enemy’s AUG.
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander 18 February 2016 19: 07
        0
        And where did you see a long-standing container and not plundered? Yes, they are gutted in the very first weeks after unloading. Or put protection there? If security is so much less a container under suspicion. Not everything is so simple with these containers, I would even say it is TOO DIFFICULT to do it all-in-one.
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        2. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 19 February 2016 00: 49
          -1
          Why standing, lying. . somewhere on the ocean floor.
  24. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 February 2016 14: 03
    +1
    It remains to create the Kyrgyz Republic for tactical aviation weighing about 1000 kg and a range of up to 1000 km, with all the advantages of the Caliber. To complete the picture. And our Dry and Mig 29 will look different.
  25. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 18 February 2016 14: 30
    +1
    and that there are only "river-sea" vessels at once, we have many rivers in Russia, put them on a barge and go. remember Suvorov-Rezun, his Pripyat flotilla immediately got up with its nose towards Germany. in Smoensk to the Dnieper to lower and forward. lol
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 18 February 2016 19: 12
      0
      And where will this Caliber fly from under Smolensk? To the border with Poland? So there you can get out of the gun, and not make a fuss of their calibers mounted on ships ... do not get carried away ... look funny ...
  26. denni
    denni 18 February 2016 14: 50
    0
    I propose in the Crimea, because we consider it our "aircraft carrier". And let the Americans prove otherwise.
  27. gg.na
    gg.na 18 February 2016 15: 18
    +2
    Very good idea good ! But the nuances of deployment and other small details must already be developed by people from the command structure of our armed forces! And especially not to disclose where so what and in what quantities will be located! And the idea is very, I liked it! good With such an idea would come out on what commanders. Offer. I think that the proposal will not be given in the forehead!
  28. Volgobalt
    Volgobalt 18 February 2016 16: 11
    0
    And also to design autonomous submarine launchers, and to sow with them all shallows near America! We’ll save on submarines, and mattress covers will go under themselves a little! )))
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 18 February 2016 19: 22
      0
      They will not go anywhere, but simply find all these "underwater launchers" and blow them up so as not to suffer. Search tools abound on the ocean floor now. If only these launchers were to be buried on the seabed ... but then how would she dig out before launching? Next, where to get a power source that can work for a dozen other years autonomously? How to give a start command to these installations? The technical issues with these underwater launchers are darkness and little cart.
  29. Pitot
    Pitot 18 February 2016 16: 18
    0
    In short, the people, the first for our ARMY, NAVY, AIRCRAFT and all the rest are TINY, but NEEDED troops. And if you need to kick the withers, I think out of habit we’ll kick and no matter what, the caliber is beautiful, Club-k and the rest bearing beautiful names.
  30. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 18 February 2016 16: 53
    -2
    Colleagues! Are you really discussing this opus, or are you just kidding, but I can’t understand by stupidity?
    What kind of ... are river-sea vessels? Where can I get them? They are all privately owned. And the cost of their construction is commensurate with the same "Buyan" without weapons. In the name of what to build them? To raise naval flags on them? And what kind of combat stability will they have when anchored in naval bases?
    Nuclear warheads are generally cool. The author apparently thinks that the barge is anchored, there are missiles with special combat units on it, and the sailors with fishing rods are sitting on board and waiting for a signal?
    Maybe it’s still such humor with barges and squirrels?
  31. Saratoga833
    Saratoga833 18 February 2016 18: 01
    0
    In my opinion, at present we do not need this INF Treaty at all! And no need to pervert and adapt to it. Our real enemy wanted to spit on this Treaty because of their territorial remoteness. And to us it is only harmful and nothing more!
  32. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 February 2016 19: 24
    0
    Well, the RSDs will appear in Turkey, both in Europe and in Japan. With an accuracy of 5m and a flying time of 5 minutes. Our move .....?
  33. Old26
    Old26 18 February 2016 20: 25
    -1
    Quote: BilliBoms09
    There are not as many options in the air placement of the Gauges as in the sea, but they are.
    I read somewhere that in the USSR they developed air-based ballistic missile systems. They were supposed to be based on transport aircraft and launch from the air. It would be air, nuclear trains - it is impossible to track.

    Developed. IT only. Not a single test run was (the Americans had). In the future, such a weapon system was banned. As in the case of basing on bombers, and transport aircraft

    Quote: GSH-18
    Dear AUTHOR, you slept through the most interesting things along the way. Cruise missiles "Caliber" have long been packed in shipping containers and in this form under the name "Club-K" are transported by all types of transport in certain zones of our territory and adjacent waters! Such things, before writing an article, you need to know!

    Yeah. Especially when you consider that they are packed exclusively at exhibitions. Moreover, this is an exclusively export option, and NO ONE country has purchased the Club-K complex. Including Russia. So your passage that they run is speculation at best by the journalists.

    Quote: Zaurbek
    in the 90s there were already KR series "X". we didn’t have the Glonnas system, which is one of the important components of the complex.

    Who told you such nonsense ??? look when the first satellites of the navigation satellite system were launched.

    Quote: Zaurbek
    Domestic correlation systems (compact) have also appeared recently.

    Right Recently. Some 30-40 years ago

    Quote: Zaurbek
    ... and with what accuracy did they allow to launch a rocket at that time? for JBF, It was enough. On the Su-30MKI French stand with laser gyroscopes (2000..year) our analogues appeared 5 years ago. So the Caliber shot in 2015 ... and appeared on the Su-30-35.

    The fact that they shot in 2015 tell our EXPERTS from the media. Which can only print fried facts. And monitor daily the statements of the leaders of our defense department, incl. and fleet commanders - this is not their royal business. You cannot make a sensation on such statements. And as a result, about three years after the event, our media suddenly realized that the range of non-export modifications turned out to be much larger. And then the attraction begins behind the ears, as in the example with your gyroscopes
  34. Old26
    Old26 18 February 2016 20: 28
    -1
    Quote: Inok10
    3M10 ground and 3M12 "Granat" for submarines

    On the contrary. 3M10 "Garnet" for boats and 3M12 for ground "Relief"

    Quote: Zaurbek
    The management of the Kyrgyz Republic depends more on satellite coverage of communications with the Kyrgyz Republic of a certain territory. Compare the year of the advent of GPS and GLONNAS, here is the same lag between the appearance of our real-time-controlled Caliber.

    Where did you get this? That the CD is controlled via satellite? Moreover, our "Caliber"?

    Quote: Volzhanin
    I also thought about it. Such a tanker of the Volgo-Don type goes to itself, even a rusty little one and no one knows that there is a standardized capsule with Caliber, controlled, say, from Samara.

    LORD !!!!! YES STOP YOU RADDLING am

    Quote: valent45
    The United States withdrew from the ABM Treaty and did not ask anyone.

    And left ABSOLUTELY LEGAL

    Quote: Volgobalt
    And also to design autonomous submarine launchers, and to sow with them all shallows near America! We’ll save on submarines, and mattress covers will go under themselves a little! )))

    And so are we. For our coastline is much larger than the American. With their resources, they sow them a couple of orders of magnitude more than we do. I'm not even talking about contracts ...

    Quote: Saratoga833
    In my opinion, at present we do not need this INF Treaty at all! And no need to pervert and adapt to it. Our real enemy wanted to spit on this Treaty because of their territorial remoteness. And to us it is only harmful and nothing more!

    Do you propose to go out and get American ballistic missiles in Estonia? Three minutes of summer from Leningrad and 3-4 from Moscow. Well done. You are real STRATEGIST
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 19 February 2016 09: 14
      0
      If you are quoting, then read what was previously said. With a standard flight, the Kyrgyz Republic flies along the laid route. Offline with envelope relief. Based on the data of the correlation system and etolon of the underlying surface. About 10 years ago, the GLONNAS signal was added and this increased accuracy to 5m. And from satellites, it is possible to change the task with a change in the point of incidence ...
  35. KRIG55
    KRIG55 18 February 2016 21: 07
    +2
    It is also powerful to place on the roofs of houses. The higher the house, the farther from the ground complex.