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In Belarus, develop MLRS with an increased range of fire

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Belarusian designers are working to create multiple rocket launchers with a firing range over 200 km, reports MIC With reference to the head of the country's military-industrial committee Sergey Gurulev.




During a meeting with the President of Belarus, Gurulev reported that the task of creating a new MLRS "is planned to be completed during 2016-2017's."

“As for the new Polonez multiple rocket launchers already created by Belarusian manufacturers, they are put into service and will be delivered to the troops by July 1”.

According to the newspaper, Alexander Lukashenko was also informed about "other promising defense projects, the development of military-technical cooperation with Russia and the results of the financial and economic activities of the State Military Committee for the five years and for 2015 a year."

It is noted that the “MLRS Polonez”, whose firing range is 200 km, in the 2015 year, passed a successful test at the landfill in China. ”

Earlier, the head of the committee stated that the Belarusian specialists "will soon come out to create a multiple launch rocket system with a firing range of more than 200 kilometers."
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 February 2016 15: 49
    +3
    Well, let’s wave without looking?
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 16 February 2016 16: 02
      +8
      "MLRS" Polonaise ", the firing range of which is 200 km,
      Tuplyu: can someone explain how, after 200 km, this system will combine the projectile with the target? After all, this type of missile has a sickly scatter, and they really like to figure out over areas, and here, as much as 200 km of flight! So, are they MANAGED? And if so, how?
      1. Michael67
        Michael67 16 February 2016 16: 05
        11
        "MLRS" Polonaise ", the firing range of which is 200 km, was successfully tested in 2015 at the proving ground in China."
        I'm sorry. Can I misunderstand what. Why in China? Sorry ...
        Do we have few polygons in Russia?
        1. Denis Obukhov
          Denis Obukhov 16 February 2016 16: 06
          11
          Quote: Michael67
          "MLRS" Polonaise ", the firing range of which is 200 km, was successfully tested in 2015 at the proving ground in China."
          I'm sorry. Can I misunderstand what. Why in China? Sorry ...
          Do we have few polygons in Russia?



          This is a Belarusian development. The missiles are Chinese (Russia refused to cooperate). "It is possible that the Russian side" kindly "refused to test the complex on its territory, so the choice of the Belarusian military department fell on China. In addition, most experts agree that the" Polonozy " a red rag for the Russian "bull", especially in general against the background of the intensification of the Belarusian-Chinese military and military-technical cooperation and the allegedly established thesis that interaction in the defense sphere with the Middle Kingdom is the lot of only the mighty of this world (or - "this is our cow, and we milk it ").
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 16 February 2016 16: 29
            +5
            There is nothing surprising - everything is on the same level - and military cooperation with China, and partial lifting of European sanctions - in short, the West seems to be the father of the carrot.
          2. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 16 February 2016 16: 29
            0
            There is nothing surprising - everything is on the same level - and military cooperation with China, and partial lifting of European sanctions - in short, the West seems to be the father of the carrot.
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 16 February 2016 19: 40
              +2
              Cooperation between Belarus and China has always been - even on this site several years ago there were articles on the donation of military equipment by China to Belarus.

              And there is no connection with "gingerbread from the West". Belarus and still communist China have always been close partners.

              In principle, this is justified - if we in Kazakhstan have a certain "China-phobia" because of proximity, then our brothers Belarusians are far away and have nothing to fear - so why not benefit?
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      2. Gogia
        Gogia 16 February 2016 16: 06
        +1
        Such ammunition should have a simple guidance system. Americans did this with their MLRS.
      3. Eragon
        Eragon 16 February 2016 16: 41
        +4
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Tuplyu: can anyone explain how through 200 km this system will combine the projectile with the target?

        Read how shells from "Hurricane" can be controlled from space and you will understand wink
        Multi-charge MLRS determines high fire performance and the ability to simultaneously hit targets in large areas, which, together with the suddenness achieved by volley fire, provides a high effect on the enemy. The main disadvantage of rocket artillery systems is the relatively high dispersion of shells. In modern conditions, to eliminate this drawback, rockets began to install flight control systems, correcting the trajectory of the projectile (for example, inertial and inertial, combined with a radio control system at the end of the trajectory - on the Russian 9K58 MLRS "Smerch" and inertial combined with the satellite system - on shells of the GMLRS type American MLN M270 MLRS). (Wiki)
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      5. novobranets
        novobranets 16 February 2016 16: 52
        0
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Tuplyu: can anyone explain how through 200 km this system will combine the projectile with the target?

        I just read the headline, and the first thought, what about the non-frail dispersion of shells? The shells are uncontrollable. Indeed, logically, the greater the distance, the greater the dispersion. Will this reduce the effectiveness of the fire cover?
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 16 February 2016 19: 38
          +3
          Quote: novobranets
          I just read the headline, and the first thought, what about the non-frail dispersion of shells? The shells are uncontrollable. Indeed, logically, the greater the distance, the greater the dispersion. Will this reduce the effectiveness of the fire cover?

          ... KVO in the limit of 600 m. When firing at a maximum distance of 200 km. ... therefore, our NPO "Splav", which is engaged in all these gizmos in the USSR / Russia, culturally "sent" both Chinese and Belarusians in due time ... this is our garden and we will cultivate it ourselves . hi
          1. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 00: 42
            0
            Quote: Inok10
            Quote: novobranets
            I just read the headline, and the first thought, what about the non-frail dispersion of shells? The shells are uncontrollable. Indeed, logically, the greater the distance, the greater the dispersion. Will this reduce the effectiveness of the fire cover?

            ... KVO in the limit of 600 m. When firing at a maximum distance of 200 km. ... therefore, our NPO "Splav", which is engaged in all these gizmos in the USSR / Russia, culturally "sent" both Chinese and Belarusians in due time ... this is our garden and we will cultivate it ourselves . hi

            Well, you’re just like from a cartoon.
            Management there gps / glonass plus inertial, it is from the words of the developers that the news said.
            And given the size of GPS / GLONASS receivers,

            and the fact that the tests were in China, I won’t be surprised if they added there
            http://www.prin.ru/articles/razvitie_kitajskoj_sistemy_sputnikovoj_navigacii_bei
            dou /
            http://vestnik-glonass.ru/news/tech/kitay-dvizhetsya-v-napravlenii-globalnogo-po
            krytiya-planety /
            So the thought on 3 mutually independent systems + inertial rocket will somehow orientate.
            Of course, in the vicinity of Belarus BeiDou (BDS) is still missing, but
            According to earlier options and forecasts, China planned that the Beidou system will complete its formation by 2020 and will generally consist of 35 satellites, providing global coverage with positioning accuracy of less than 10 meters and timing (time synchronization) of 20 nanoseconds.
      6. There are a lot of us
        There are a lot of us 16 February 2016 17: 36
        +2
        By wire laughing
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 00: 44
          0
          Quote: There are a lot of us
          By wire laughing

          Carrier pigeons or messengers wink
      7. Lex.
        Lex. 16 February 2016 18: 38
        +2
        oldseaman1957 RU  Today, 16:02 ↑ New



        "MLRS" Polonaise ", the firing range of which is 200 km,
        Tuplyu: can someone explain how, after 200 km, this system will combine the projectile with the target? After all, this type of missile has a sickly scatter, and they really like to figure out over areas, and here, as much as 200 km of flight! So, are they MANAGED? And if so, how?
        Glonas or GPS
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 00: 45
          0
          Management there gps / glonass plus inertial, it is from the words of the developers that the news said.
          And given the size of GPS / GLONASS receivers,
          and the fact that the tests were in China, I won’t be surprised if they added there
          http://www.prin.ru/articles/razvitie_kitajskoj_sistemy_sputnikovoj_navigacii_bei
          dou /
          http://vestnik-glonass.ru/news/tech/kitay-dvizhetsya-v-napravlenii-globalnogo-po
          krytiya-planety /
          So the thought on 3 mutually independent systems + inertial rocket will somehow orientate.
          Of course, in the vicinity of Belarus BeiDou (BDS) is still missing, but
          According to earlier options and forecasts, China planned that the Beidou system will complete its formation by 2020 and will generally consist of 35 satellites, providing global coverage with positioning accuracy of less than 10 meters and timing (time synchronization) of 20 nanoseconds.
      8. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 16 February 2016 20: 13
        +1
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        and here already 200 km of summer

        Tornado-S fires unguided rockets at 120km, they are going to bring up to 200km. Does this bother you? Or ours can?
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 16 February 2016 22: 50
          +3
          Quote: chunga-changa
          Tornado-S fires unguided rockets at 120km, they are going to bring up to 200km. Does this bother you? Or ours can?

          ... does not bother we really can ... for 1989 MLRS "Smerch":
          A distinctive feature of the shells is the presence of a flight control system that corrects the trajectory of the pitch and yaw (see diagram of electronic time device and control unit). Due to the use of this system, the accuracy of hits of the "Tornado" was increased by 2 times (does not exceed 0,21% of the salvo range, that is, about 150 m. http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/smerch/smerch.shtml
          . hi ... the Chinese have honestly recognized a KVO of 600 meters at a range of 200 km. ... read my comment above ... hi
          1. chunga-changa
            chunga-changa 18 February 2016 13: 24
            0
            Let me draw your attention to the following points.
            Tornado-S shoots unguided rockets

            Distinctive feature of shells is the presence of a flight control system that corrects the path of movement in pitch and yaw

            This is the difference between not manageable rockets and shells with control and correction systems. My comment is about unguided missiles.
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 16 February 2016 16: 05
      +5
      The prototype of the Polonaise was the Norinco AR3 Chinese multiple launch rocket system. and Uses 301 mm A200-type rockets designed and manufactured by China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT, also known as the First Academy), part of the China State Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC)
      1. Michael67
        Michael67 16 February 2016 16: 06
        0
        Then it is clear.
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 16 February 2016 16: 27
        +1
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        The prototype of the Polonaise was the Norinco AR3 Chinese multiple launch rocket system. and Uses 301 mm A200-type rockets designed and manufactured by China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT, also known as the First Academy), part of the China State Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC)

        Then I look at the design is very Chinese.
      3. novobranets
        novobranets 16 February 2016 16: 55
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        The prototype of the Polonaise was the Norinco AR3 Chinese multiple launch rocket system

        Got it. Now, on the contrary, the Chinese will cut ideas. belay
    3. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 16 February 2016 16: 32
      +1
      Polonez (Polish polonez, French polonaise, from French polonais - Polish) - a solemn dance procession at a moderate pace, having a Polish origin.
      Why not “Kryzhachok” or “Bulba” - Belarusian folk dances?
      1. Valera999
        Valera999 16 February 2016 16: 53
        -5
        Aginsky's polonaise to help, listen, you might like it.
        Oh, he's a Pole, a mistake, because Poleshuk Poles, Belarus Catholics are Poles too, it turns out there was no one to choose from, that’s what they called Polonaise.
        The Bulba is an original dance, probably beautiful, maybe you will, I will look with curiosity at the new Bel-dance, known only to culinary specialists.
        Kryzhachek-hurt the screw, and the rocket is also drunk, because as you call, it will fly.
        1. Coconut Tima
          Coconut Tima 16 February 2016 17: 56
          +1
          Quote: Valera999
          The Bulba is an original dance, probably beautiful, maybe you will, I will look with curiosity at the new Bel-dance, known only to culinary specialists.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p5kODlSz_g
        2. Lex.
          Lex. 16 February 2016 18: 44
          +5
          Catholics Belarus are also Poles, it turns out there was no one to choose from,
          You live in Belarus and you already consider Palestinian people to be Poles, well and well. Since when did the Turov principality be Polish?
          1. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 00: 47
            0
            Quote: Lex.
            Catholics Belarus are also Poles, it turns out there was no one to choose from,
            You live in Belarus and you already consider Palestinian people to be Poles, well and well. Since when did the Turov principality be Polish?

            Everything west of Vyazma is Poles.
            It can be clearly seen when studying the materials of the development of the Russian north.
        3. 1500014781401
          1500014781401 16 February 2016 19: 39
          +5
          Since when did a native of Grodno become a Pole? All his life he called himself Litvin. And the piercing Polonaise is parting with the Grodno region before forced emigration after the well-known events. The great patriot of the land of Belarus was Oginsky. And there were no Poles in his relatives. You already have the poles and natives of Grodno, the poet Miscavige, and the creator of the Esperanto language Znamengof, and a native of the Minsk province F. Dzerzhinsky. It’s a shame for the Belarusian not to know this — you even read the memorial plaques when walking around our cities — you will learn a lot.
        4. samoletil18
          samoletil18 16 February 2016 21: 34
          0
          Oginsky polonaise called what? If this is meant, then ... I don’t feel like scribbling.
      2. Lex.
        Lex. 16 February 2016 18: 43
        +1
        Why not “Kryzhachok” or “Bulba” - Belarusian folk dances?
        You take a look at the story included the speech of the paspolit
        1. 1500014781401
          1500014781401 16 February 2016 19: 44
          +2
          After the Union of Lublin
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 17 February 2016 00: 20
        +2
        Chu, found something to cling to. Great name, part of our shared cultural heritage.
  2. OlegV
    OlegV 16 February 2016 15: 50
    +9
    Belarusians also do not want to lag behind Russia.

    Oh restlessly something in the world ..... if only there was no war.
  3. jaguar
    jaguar 16 February 2016 15: 51
    +1
    Well from me they only good luck !!!!
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 16 February 2016 16: 08
      +4
      Quote: jaguar
      Well from me they only good luck !!!!

      If only the father would not switch to multivectorness in foreign policy, in exchange for easing the sanctions.
  4. Dimontius
    Dimontius 16 February 2016 15: 53
    +2
    I hope this development is not for sale in Qatar .. otherwise the Old Man will get a neck from us so that all profit will be lost from the lifting of European sanctions. And if you look from a positive point of view, then of course it would be great if we were not alone to plow for the security of the Slavic world.
    1. Eragon
      Eragon 16 February 2016 16: 43
      +2
      Quote: Dimontius
      otherwise the old man will get a neck from us so that the entire profit will be lost from the lifting of European sanctions

      You overslept a little, already entered again crying A week or two ago.
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    3. Theline
      Theline 16 February 2016 17: 02
      +1
      Specifically, you do not hit anyone in the neck.
      And if you take your state, then there is nothing. Belarusian development, wants to sell - sell.
      1. Allech28-2
        Allech28-2 16 February 2016 17: 09
        0
        Quote: TheLine
        And if you take your state, then there is nothing. Belarusian development, wants to sell - sell.

        Normally wassat Not yet developed, but already sold ... fellow
        1. Theline
          Theline 16 February 2016 19: 40
          +1
          Nevertheless, this remains the business of our state, and advice with threats is superfluous here.
          1. Allech28-2
            Allech28-2 16 February 2016 22: 40
            0
            Quote: TheLine


            Nevertheless, this remains the business of our state, and advice with threats is superfluous here.

            But does anyone tell you something? You are painfully arrogant! There is one more of the same ones who drew ..:
            Quote: Former battalion commander
            I know for sure that Belarus has already developed its OWN missile (completely own) with a range of up to 300 km. The guidance system in the rocket is also its own, has several options (which options could not be found out, such as a secret). Although I personally think this venture is pointless, to replace the Tochka system? Hit the headquarters? Application is too hazy ...

            And along the way, he simply grabbed a sivuha. He knows that he was everywhere. The intelligence is not in the know, but they reported to him ... wassat stop
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        2. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 00: 52
          0
          Quote: Alleh28-2
          Normally Not developed yet, but already sold ...

          Already developed.
          The rearmament of some brigade there is scheduled for June / July 2016.
          This is exactly what was said in the same speech.
          And what they offer for export before they have even put them in their troops is a local economic miracle. soldier
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      3. co-creator
        co-creator 16 February 2016 23: 27
        0
        Quote: TheLine
        And if you take your state, then there is nothing. Belarusian development, wants to sell - sell.

        Uh no. Either you are allies of the Russian Federation and sell equipment abroad, taking into account the interests of an ally, or you need to honestly scatter.
    4. Valera999
      Valera999 16 February 2016 17: 07
      +3
      And what does Russia want to buy ???? After I didn’t let you experience it.
      But who exactly the potential buyer is:
      1. Qatar
      2. Ukraine - Well, who else is not in NATO.
      The more the Old Man will be left with nothing to do from the feeding trough of Russia, the more he will ride in order to survive, and with it the whole of Belarus.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 February 2016 17: 08
        +1
        There will be no "potential buyers". Norinko is guaranteed not to transfer technologies to its detriment.
        1. Former battalion commander
          Former battalion commander 16 February 2016 20: 29
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          There will be no "potential buyers". Norinko is guaranteed not to transfer technologies to its detriment.

          I know for sure that Belarus has already developed its OWN missile (completely own) with a range of up to 300 km. The guidance system in the rocket is also its own, has several options (which options could not be found out, such as a secret). Although I personally think this venture is pointless, to replace the Tochka system? Hit the headquarters? Application is too hazy ...
          1. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 00: 57
            0
            Quote: Former battalion commander
            Although I personally consider this venture pointless, to replace the Tochka system? Hit the headquarters? Application is too hazy ...

            So "Tochka" officially flies to 120.
            And I think it’s not a problem to launch a missile with a range of 300 by 120, or by reducing the range to 120, increase the warhead
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 16 February 2016 23: 30
        0
        Quote: Valera999
        The more the Old Man will be left with nothing to do from the feeding trough of Russia, the more he will ride in order to survive, and with it the whole of Belarus.

        Oh, you didn’t teach you the example of Ukraine.
    5. Kite
      Kite 16 February 2016 18: 00
      +2
      Quote: Dimontius
      I hope this development is not for sale in Qatar .. .....

      - Do you remember how the export versions of "Caliber" are called? So, the "Club" (since it is exported) is limited in range by almost the same> 200, 300 km. As it was shown at the Caspian demonstration, "Caliber" can be fired at the pace of MLRS. True, the accuracy is higher and the warhead is more powerful at the "Club" than at the "Polonaise". Then the question is: if it is possible to sell "Club", then why is "Polonaise" more dangerous? And, the C400 can also be used for ground targets and there are also inquiries about selling it to the same China.
      Qatar is farther from us than 300 and even 1000km, such weapons are supplied with restriction and control to prevent proliferation.
  5. newcomer
    newcomer 16 February 2016 15: 55
    +3
    happy for our brothers. praise and honor. One question: why in China, and not at home or with us? Am I missing something?
    1. Minstrel
      Minstrel 16 February 2016 16: 47
      +2
      Quote: newbie
      why in china and not at home

      If at home, then Warsaw can be inadvertently offended. The distance from Brest to Warsaw is 225 km. Exactly in a suburb they will fall.
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 01: 01
      +1
      Quote: newbie
      why in china

      It is necessary to ask the bear.
      For the same reason, the RPU32 analogue itself had to be riveted.
      Patamushta Jordan plant for the production of RPG32 pajalusta, and RB even the usual supply of hfig.
      So with these liberals you still have to ask what and how.
  6. A-Sim
    A-Sim 16 February 2016 15: 55
    +2
    With such a range, as there with accuracy, it is interesting.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 16 February 2016 15: 58
      +6
      Accuracy in multiple launch rocket systems is a relative concept, they also work on areas. And if you need accuracy, that is, Iskander.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 February 2016 16: 50
        +3
        Quote: Engineer
        Accuracy in multiple launch rocket systems is a relative concept, they also work on areas. And if you need accuracy, that is, Iskander.

        I think that we are also developing something similar, with such or close range ... but there is little information.
        Here's what our RZSO Tornado-S says:
        "Tornado-S" (C - Tornado) - modernized MLRS 9K58 "Tornado". The system includes a modernized combat vehicle equipped with ASUNO and new unguided rockets of the caliber 300 mm with a maximum flight range of up to 120 km. In the future, it is possible to increase the range to 200 km

        Apparently this is our answer.
    2. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 16 February 2016 16: 05
      +4
      ..... With such a range, as there with accuracy, it is interesting ....

      .... Yes, and the range is interesting .... They have that there, on the PU "Scuds" in the package are ???? ... Judging by the size of such a range can not be .... Or "bam" scientific breakthrough in the development of rocket fuel ???? .... The Chinese still cannot make these gunpowder for their counterparts of the S-300 air defense system .... Accordingly, with the range they have ... lol
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 February 2016 19: 25
        +2
        In principle, it is possible to "push" tactical cruise missiles into these Polonaise containers.
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 01: 07
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          In principle, it is possible to "push" tactical cruise missiles into these Polonaise containers.

          and there
          only instead of 8 there will be 2
          I think it’s about cr
  7. lukewarm
    lukewarm 16 February 2016 15: 57
    +4
    in 2015 passed a successful test at a proving ground in China

    There was nowhere closer? Or is there joint development? Why not with your closest ally? And what kind of relationship do we have then?
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 16 February 2016 16: 02
      0
      Affectionate calf ... China is around the corner, next, brothers forever !!!!
    2. Theline
      Theline 16 February 2016 17: 03
      0
      Read the comments. Understand why. And about accuracy it is written.
    3. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 01: 10
      0
      Quote: unwillingly
      It is necessary to ask the bear.
      For the same reason, the RPU32 analogue itself had to be riveted.
      Patamushta Jordan plant for the production of RPG32 pajalusta, and RB even the usual supply of hfig.
      So with these liberals you still have to ask what and how.


      It is necessary to ask the bear.
      For the same reason, the RPU32 analogue itself had to be riveted.
      Patamushta Jordan plant for the production of RPG32 pajalusta, and RB even the usual supply of hfig.
      So with these liberals you still have to ask what and how.
  8. corporal
    corporal 16 February 2016 15: 58
    +2
    landfill in china
    ?? what
    And they didn’t let us in?
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 01: 12
      +1
      And you are quick-witted.

      And even the missiles to tornadoes and hurricanes refused to deliver with the greatest permission of the bear.
      By the way, this is the main reason for the start of work on the "Palanez".
  9. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 16 February 2016 15: 59
    +3
    With such a range, GLONASS cannot be avoided without losing accuracy.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 16 February 2016 16: 13
      +5
      In any case, when firing at such a distance, the rocket must have an adjustment system. At the same time, the cost of ammunition increases ... Is it worth bothering with the installation, if it is enough to launch one tactical missile?
      The development of an MLRS with thermobaric charges with a range of 25 km with a hook and greater power would be more interesting ... what

      IMHO ... I do not pretend to be true.
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 01: 13
        +1
        Quote: yuriy55
        The development of an MLRS with thermobaric charges with a range of 25 km with a hook and greater power would be more interesting ...


        In the dimensions of the TPK "Palaneza" it is possible and not so stuffed.
    2. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 16 February 2016 19: 56
      0
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      With such a range, GLONASS cannot be avoided without losing accuracy.

      And the Belarusians launched the second satellite (in Chinese media) from which fright? wink
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander 16 February 2016 20: 46
        +2
        And with such a "fright" that how many Belarusian satellites tried to launch in Russia, they all FALLEN WHY! But in China, from the FIRST TIME, everything went right ... so think, imitate or sabotage, or maybe they CANNOT ...
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 16 February 2016 23: 34
          +1
          Quote: Former battalion commander
          how many Belarusian satellites they tried to launch in Russia all of them WHY THEN FALLED!

          How many ?
        2. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 01: 18
          +1
          Quote: Former Combat
          And with such a "fright" that how many Belarusian satellites tried to launch in Russia, they all FALLEN WHY! But in China, from the FIRST TIME, everything went right ... so think, imitate or sabotage, or maybe they CANNOT ...

          No, well, from Belarus only one of them flew out of 2.
          But several unsuccessful satellites through the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - yes.
      2. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 01: 17
        +1
        Quote: SMikhalych
        Quote: Primus Pilus
        With such a range, GLONASS cannot be avoided without losing accuracy.

        And the Belarusians launched the second satellite (in Chinese media) from which fright? wink


        With the fact that China won the launch tender, + the satellite itself was finally assembled and tested in China.

        Another question is why the satellite was not going to Russia.
        Although, as for me, everything here is more than obvious, the Russian Federation now has the capacity to build satellites loaded through the MO line.
  10. igorspb
    igorspb 16 February 2016 16: 01
    +3
    Quote: unwillingly
    in 2015 passed a successful test at a proving ground in China

    There was nowhere closer? Or is there joint development? Why not with your closest ally? And what kind of relationship do we have then?

    so there is a200 Chinese missile ....
    information on the firing range - these are the words of the Chinese and now Belarusians)))
  11. Whitesnow
    Whitesnow 16 February 2016 16: 06
    +2
    Just about Minsk to Warsaw.
  12. Whitesnow
    Whitesnow 16 February 2016 16: 07
    +3
    Just from Minsk to Warsaw.
  13. Evil 55
    Evil 55 16 February 2016 16: 10
    -2
    But father and ours, and yours, and the Chinese plays "Polonaise" ... A good musician, however ...
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 16 February 2016 20: 51
      +1
      So you and the Chinese are now "brothers forever"? Or has something changed again, as with the Turks? Well, excuse me, I can't keep track of your preferences ...
  14. FIREMAN
    FIREMAN 16 February 2016 16: 14
    +4
    http://ont.by/news/our_news/raketnij-kompleks-dalnostyu-do-300-km-sozdayut-v-bel
    arysi

    Here is a link to yesterday's Belarusian news. A rocket of its own assembly, in some places assembly shops flash. I’m not an artilleryman, but probably the range can be adjusted with the parameters of a solid fuel engine. The cost of 1 unit of BP is worrying, as this is small-scale production.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 16 February 2016 20: 55
      0
      So any armament is SMALL-SERIES so far there is no war! And the cost of a missile with a guidance system is not much higher than without it, but the possibilities are radically different.
      1. Rader
        Rader 16 February 2016 22: 30
        +1
        Quote: Former Combat
        So any armament is SMALL-SERIES so far there is no war! And the cost of a missile with a guidance system is not much higher than without it, but the possibilities are radically different.

        belay What is it like? How many Kalash of all modifications were released in the USSR, how many T-72/64/80 were in service in the late 80's? ... Mobilization reserves are always created in case of war ... Ammunition is a separate issue in general. How many of them do not stock up, but still it will be small. The amount of ammunition for the barrel and rocket artillery should be enough for at least 3-4 months of active military operations, otherwise there is no question of actions on equal terms against the NATO! Small-scale production of shells is a waste of resources.
        Well, about the fact that guided projectiles are "not much more expensive than conventional", well, of course, this is something new. Well then, the helfair is not worth at least as a block of nurses?
  15. dFG
    dFG 16 February 2016 16: 15
    +3
    Quote: unwillingly
    in 2015 passed a successful test at a proving ground in China

    There was nowhere closer? Or is there joint development? Why not with your closest ally? And what kind of relationship do we have then?

    that there from joint development only the chassis of the MZKT, therefore, they tested it in the country of origin
  16. screw cutter
    screw cutter 16 February 2016 16: 18
    +2
    As far as I know, the MLRS did not have a range of problems, but with accuracy? Even if they work on areas, an expansion of 500-1000m is already too much.
    1. corporal
      corporal 16 February 2016 16: 39
      +3
      Quote: screw cutter
      but with accuracy?

      So depending on what to install there.
      Somehow there was already a discussion here about the expediency of high-precision munitions for MLRS, so I repeat:
      If such gifts are delivered with high accuracy and over 170 km, then the question of price is no longer needed.


      //
  17. Belarus
    Belarus 16 February 2016 16: 23
    +1
    As I understand it, the performance characteristics are classified. I would like to know what areas it covers.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 01: 25
      +1
      he can not only in terms of space, but also for individual goals
  18. GEV67
    GEV67 16 February 2016 16: 33
    +1
    The thing for war is probably not bad, but I’m afraid there will be no ground operations if it suddenly breaks out ... But as much as possible hide from the air and at the same time answer ...
  19. robbihood
    robbihood 16 February 2016 17: 11
    +7
    From our media.
    With the release of Polonaise, the share of Belarusian components is already approaching 70%. In the coming years, this figure should be at least 95%.

    According to Sergei Gurulev, Chairman of the State Military Industry Industry, the tests of Polonaise in China were completed successfully. During the test launch of two missiles at a distance of about 200 km, targets were recorded with a minimum circular deviation of 1,5 m.

    The President of Belarus was shown the “Polonaise” in its entirety: a combat, transport-loading and combat control vehicle.

    All elements of the complex are mounted on a four-axle high-cross-country chassis MZKT-7930. The weight of the combat vehicle in running order is 46 tons. Each vehicle is capable of simultaneously delivering a targeted strike at eight targets at a distance of more than 200 km, which is about two and a half times more than that of the Smerch Soviet-made MLRS.

    According to Gurulev, in the near future, domestic experts will start creating their own rocket for the Polonaise complex with a range of not only 200 km, but also substantially more (according to some reports, up to 300 km).

    The claimed characteristics and the characteristic appearance of the Polonaise suggest that the prototype missiles that the complex is equipped with are long-range and high-precision munitions of Chinese design. After all, Belarus has no serious experience in creating its own missiles and missiles.
    Moreover, as some commentators believe, it was the A301 200-mm rockets designed and developed by CALT that became the model for one of the types of ammunition for the Polonaise.
    At the same time, the design features of AR3, which are also traceable in Polonaise (in particular, the modular nature of the combat station), suggest that the Belarusian system can use several types of ammunition and even calibers if necessary. Along with container modules containing 300 mm rockets, the launcher can be charged with containers with 370 mm rockets. These are high-precision ammunition Fire Dragon FD220 with a maximum range of 220 km and FD280 with a maximum range of 280 km.

    The 280 mm caliber Fire Dragon FD370 guided missile has an inertial guidance system interfaced with a satellite-based global positioning system (this can be GPS, GLONASS or Chinese Beidou), which makes it possible to achieve a circular deviation of the order of 30-50 m.

    The latter characteristic gives specialists the basis to assert that the 3 mm-caliber guided munitions of the AR370 MLRS have properties characteristic of tactical ballistic missiles with an inclined launch type.

    However, apparently, the creation of such analogues is not the ultimate goal for the Belarusian leadership. Lukashenko posed a more difficult task - within two years, the Belarusian army should receive modern domestic missile systems of a new generation.

    According to some information, we are talking about creating our own operational-tactical complex (OTRK), corresponding in its characteristics to the Russian OTRK “Iskander”. Rather, its version “M” with a firing range of up to 500 km, since the range of the export version “E” (280 km) can soon be reached and even surpassed by “Polonaise”.
    In this regard, it is worth remembering the repeated statements of the President of Belarus about the desirability and even need to get hold of a powerful missile weapon.
    And since cooperation in this area with Israel is unlikely for a number of reasons, only China can be the only real partner of the domestic defense industry in the creation of the Belarusian OTRK.
  20. Old26
    Old26 16 February 2016 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: Belarus
    As I understand it, the performance characteristics are classified. I would like to know what areas it covers.

    That "Polonaise", that the MLRS A-200 missiles are the same. So take the performance characteristics of the Chinese MLRS A-200 and see
    Rocket weight 750 kg
    MS weight from 100 to 150 kg
    Firing range from 50 to 200 km
    KVO (according to various estimates) from 30 to 50 meters
  21. Old26
    Old26 16 February 2016 21: 13
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    In principle, it is possible to "push" tactical cruise missiles into these Polonaise containers.

    In principle, this is a new direction in the development of MLRS
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 17 February 2016 01: 45
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Vadim237
      In principle, it is possible to "push" tactical cruise missiles into these Polonaise containers.

      In principle, this is a new direction in the development of MLRS

      So Pakistan already has it.
      This design only looks scary at startup.
  22. vladmort
    vladmort 17 February 2016 11: 54
    0
    Quote: Dimontius
    I hope this development is not for sale in Qatar ..


    Well, for what else? Father for a penny will sell his mother. But of course, not only Qatar, anyone who pays. If grohla grosches scratch, then they with all the pleasure.