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Poland wants to repeat the 1939 disaster of the year

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Poland wants to repeat the 1939 disaster of the year



The defense ministers of NATO member countries at the February meeting of 10 approved another strengthening of the Alliance’s military presence in Eastern Europe. This decision will be embodied in the form of the creation of a new multinational unit that will be deployed on a rotational basis in Eastern European countries. The final decision on the size and composition of the contingent near the borders of Russia and Belarus will be taken at the July summit in Warsaw.

And if the regular increase in NATO forces in Europe "only" caused outrage in Moscow and the decision to create three new divisions in the western direction, the message about the deployment of the American missile defense system in Poland caused the Kremlin to be perplexed. Yevgeny Lukyanov, deputy secretary of the Russian Security Council, even warned the Poles that by placing elements of a missile defense system at risk, they put themselves in danger: "If they like being targets because of American weapons systems, it is their choice."

Such a goal after 24 in September of 2015 was the quiet and peaceful Polish village of Redzikovo, located in 150 km from Gdansk, almost 750 km from Minsk and 1300 km of Moscow. Half a year ago, the Polish parliament approved the deployment of a ground-based version of the American Aegis BMD system (an element of the missile defense system), capable of intercepting short-range and medium-range ballistic missiles, on the basis of the former military airfield in Redzikowo.

The construction of the military facility has already begun, and in the 2018 year, according to plans, American mobile batteries with Standard-3 interceptor missiles (SM-3) will be placed there, as well as a radio navigation station. Building and maintaining a base in Poland for the next 25 years will cost the US $ 20 billions of dollars.

A deal to deploy missiles to protect the Alliance countries, allegedly from the potential threat of a ballistic strike from Iran and North Korea, was signed between Poland and NATO back in 2010. However, the leading European and Polish media do not tell the whole truth about the Pentagon’s plans for this system. If you look at the map, it becomes clear that it is being organized in order to limit the nuclear potential of Russia, and in the future, perhaps of China. Agree, the claims that Korea and Iran will send their missiles to the United States through Poland are naive and ridiculous. Indeed, in this case, the same Iranian missiles would have to turn from the optimal trajectory towards Eastern Europe and fly extra 2500 kilometers. It is logical that it would be better to intercept them over the territory of Turkey or southern Italy.

Meanwhile, recently the world media more and more loudly report on the defiant actions of Russia. Say, it is not the first year that it has been developing offensive forces in the Kaliningrad region and is building up the potential of its armed forces and its ally Belarus, and this poses a threat to Poland and the Baltic countries. However, this is already a consequence, not a reason, which lies in the expansion of NATO to the East and the increased presence of American troops near the borders of the Union State.

Obviously, Russia and Belarus are responding to increased threats from Poland and the Baltic countries. Russian President Putin has repeatedly pointed out that such a state of affairs is unacceptable, and an agreement on the non-deployment of NATO forces near the borders with Russia is necessary. Otherwise, Moscow will begin to strengthen the troop grouping in the west of the country. And the position of Warsaw will significantly deteriorate if the Kremlin implements the promises related to the creation of the mentioned divisions. In addition, the Polish side should take into account that by September of this year, the domestic MLRS Polonaise, which is capable of hitting targets at distances over 200 km, as well as the possible deployment of Minsk in the country by the Russian Iskander, will be adopted by the missile forces and artillery of Belarus. and the ground version of the Kyrgyz Republic "Caliber", which have already proved to the world their effectiveness.

Poland, in turn, instead of concluding mutually beneficial peace treaties, is increasingly falling into a rage. Surprisingly, it seems that the Poles have for the second time lately lost their self-preservation instinct, without fear that, thanks to their policy, Russian missiles will soon be sent to Pomerania. Unfortunately, the Polish ruling elites do not seem to realize that, acting in favor of American rather than national interests, they can lead the country to tragedy.

Consent to deploying a missile defense system could bring even more catastrophe to Poland than happened in 1939. In the case of a modern war, Warsaw is not threatened by the occupation or loss of independence, but by the actual destruction of the country.

This is not traditional intimidation: if the military-political leadership of the neighboring country forgot the lessons of the Second World War, then the Russians and Belarusians remember the price they got for freedom.

In addition to the military threat, the US missile defense base will also block part of the investments in this area: in the immediate vicinity it will not be possible to build either tall buildings or wind stations. In addition, the construction of large civilian objects, such as large shopping centers or warehouses, must be coordinated with the American side, and already this year air traffic restrictions will take effect over the territory of the future base.

One of the ways out of the current situation for creating a real European missile defense system could be a joint project of the United States, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and Russia, as well as the rejection of the militarization of the region. However, at the moment the question lies purely on the political plane, and where there is a clash between the geostrategic interests of the ruling elites and world powers, as well as the ambitions of past years, the opinion of ordinary people and the security of a single state does not interest anyone.
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  1. Wolka
    Wolka 17 February 2016 05: 51
    14
    however, the gentry does not teach anything, but in vain
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    2. smel
      smel 17 February 2016 06: 16
      29
      He doesn’t learn because the skin was not removed. And four tankers and a dog gave them the idea that they themselves can solve all the problems. Apparently we need to draw them the affected area in 150 ct when destroying this object ... Draw it like that ..., just .., for information
      1. Orel
        Orel 17 February 2016 06: 44
        -42 qualifying.
        No wonder. After the Ukrainian events, they fear us in Europe. They do not trust us. Therefore, such steps are quite obvious and predictable. This is not the last reinforcement on the eastern borders of NATO. This is just the beginning. You just need to not notice this, or play the Cold War with the West, although economically we are completely unprepared for this and our prospects are not bright here ... A huge part of the budget goes to the security forces. It drains and kills the national economy. The USSR in 1991 possessed an incredible amount of weapons. There were 40 tanks alone, and as a result, the economy collapsed. Now we have the same distortions in the budget. The economy will endure for the time being ... Miracles do not happen, if you rely on the security forces and cut education, science and health care year after year, the result will be sad.
        1. oldseaman1957
          oldseaman1957 17 February 2016 06: 58
          21
          Quote: Orel
          After the Ukrainian events, they fear us in Europe. They do not trust us.
          “They would only begin to trust us if we fell apart.” They might even love us if we would self-destruct. And we are such and such, 100% are ready to reset them. So why should the Poles love us?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 17 February 2016 07: 02
            +4
            In Poland, treason is at the very “top”, as was the case with Gorbachev in the USSR, as is the case now in Ukraine with Poroshenko and Co.
        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 17 February 2016 07: 49
          19
          Quote: Orel
          After the Ukrainian events, they fear us in Europe
          In a good way, after the Ukrainian events, Europe should be afraid of Ukraine itself. And their dishonest politicians.
          Quote: Orel
          They do not trust us
          And when did they trust us? In the "glorious" 90s, perhaps. On figs such trust .. We completely trusted them then and what? NATO at the borders and US missile defense in Eastern Europe received. Long before the "Ukrainian events", I will note.
          Quote: Orel
          You just need to not notice this, or play the Cold War with the West, although economically we are completely unprepared for this and our prospects are not bright here
          "Katz offers to surrender"? Bright prospects are not our strong point, and the history of Russia shows this. The times were worse, but the Russians held out and survived. Let's break through.
          Quote: Orel
          The USSR in 1991 possessed an incredible amount of weapons. There were 40 tanks alone, and as a result, the economy collapsed.
          Don't talk nonsense, the USSR collapsed due to the betrayal of the then party elites. We have been eating up the legacy of that "collapsed" economy for a quarter of a century, we cannot eat it up.
          Quote: Orel
          then the result will be sad
          Eh, Orel, "you are a good man, but not an eagle" smile
          1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
            Uncle VasyaSayapin 17 February 2016 10: 03
            +1
            They threw us at the loot, tried to lower us below the plinth and now they distrust us and are afraid. So what are the problems: let the debt be returned with interest and sleep peacefully!
        3. marlin1203
          marlin1203 17 February 2016 08: 37
          +1
          And they are not afraid of us and they trust us in the West only when we are falling apart and are not capable of anything politically and militarily. Well, why do we need such "trust"?
          1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
            Uncle VasyaSayapin 17 February 2016 10: 06
            +1
            They will not be afraid of us and begin to trust us only when we take away everything they have stolen from them and they will have nothing to lose.
        4. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 17 February 2016 08: 51
          +4
          Quote: Orel
          No wonder. After the Ukrainian events, they fear us in Europe. They do not trust us. Therefore, such steps are quite obvious and predictable. This is not the last reinforcement on the eastern borders of NATO. This is just the beginning. You just need to not notice this, or play the Cold War with the West, although economically we are completely unprepared for this and our prospects are not bright here ... A huge part of the budget goes to the security forces. It drains and kills the national economy. The USSR in 1991 possessed an incredible amount of weapons. There were 40 tanks alone, and as a result, the economy collapsed. Now we have the same distortions in the budget. The economy will endure for the time being ... Miracles do not happen, if you rely on the security forces and cut education, science and health care year after year, the result will be sad.


          Another compador. Let's disarm and the world will love us ..... to death.
          1. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 17 February 2016 09: 09
            0
            Sorry, missed the letter p in the word comprador.
          2. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 17 February 2016 09: 12
            13
            Quote: JIaIIoTb
            Another compador. Let's disarm and the world will love us ..... to death.


            Yes, this is Stankevich in disguise! As already mentioned above - "Katz offers to surrender"!

            In general, I'm already tired of this talking shop, all the same on all channels. The liberals have one worn-out record about exorbitant spending on the military-industrial complex and "starving" old women. You might think that someone in their right mind would believe that if we begin to disarm, the grandmothers will abruptly stop "starving"! Yeah, "shchaz", we know we swam, the 90s were enough for us!
            1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
              Uncle VasyaSayapin 17 February 2016 10: 20
              +4
              The old women have a pension of 10 tr And in the regions the family has: two adults, two children - 40 tr. - same. This mathematics is unknown to the liberals, because among people with an average income of 10 tr there are no liberals per person.
              Why are we arming ourselves?
              First, the last pants will be removed from unarmed us, and then the skin. And when ordinary people begin to starve children, nobody will remember about hungry grandmothers.
              Secondly: now you can’t earn oil, and international security services are now in demand. States do not want to provide security, so what should everyone pay for them? Nobody seems to be better at fighting Russian. The Swiss did so when they rose out of poverty.
        5. Dart2027
          Dart2027 17 February 2016 09: 08
          +3
          Quote: Orel
          After the Ukrainian events, they fear us in Europe.

          Yes, it turned out that the 90s have passed and Russia may unpleasantly surprise.
          Quote: Orel
          A huge part of the budget goes to the security forces.

          It is funny to hear a warning about the impending war and immediately lament that we spend a lot on defense.
        6. Batia
          Batia 17 February 2016 09: 09
          +1
          So what? A bayonet to the ground? Fuck them all over the face!
        7. srha
          srha 17 February 2016 10: 19
          +1
          Quote: Orel
          After the Ukrainian events, they fear us in Europe


          You have broken the causal relationship.

          Yes, Europe is afraid of us, but not for the Ukrainian events - they were afraid of us before (read, for example, Dostoevsky about Europe), and they are afraid of us precisely because we brought them to life twice and restored order to them when they with their crazy xenophobia, they came to us in 1812 and in 1945. Saved from all sorts of troubles even more often. Starting from the 1572 Battle of Molodi (there are references to earlier participation in European issues - campaigns against the Khazars and shields on Tsar-grad, but Europe was not directly and directly affected there).

          And on the question of the collapse of the USSR, you are captured by liberal myths - not the defense industry has ruined the country, but betrayal of the main body of the topthat they are trying to hide with myths about the defense industry, oil needle, scarcity, one-party system, etc.
        8. spiriolla-45
          spiriolla-45 17 February 2016 11: 28
          0
          Put your ass in the ass. You do not see longer than your nose, and apart from your womb, you are not interested in anything.
        9. fan_
          fan_ 17 February 2016 12: 52
          0
          I do not need their Trust and Love, if you need, go to them and Love, they like them. You will go to the pardas once a year to walk under a colored flag.
        10. Samoyed
          Samoyed 17 February 2016 13: 14
          +1
          You tell this to Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ... Or to the Indians of America, if you find.
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        12. Weyland
          Weyland 18 February 2016 01: 28
          0
          Quote: Orel
          A huge part of the budget goes to the security forces


          A country that does not want to feed its army will feed a stranger! (Napoleon). Believe me, this person was in the subject ...
      2. SAM 5
        SAM 5 17 February 2016 06: 48
        +3
        And four tankmen and a dog gave birth to the idea that they themselves can solve all problems

        Hans Kloss also, who had beaten up the Germans throughout the war.
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    5. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 17 February 2016 08: 14
      +2
      Quote: Volka
      however, the gentry does not teach anything, but in vain


      The US dream is to multiply the strategic nuclear forces of Russia by "0". To achieve this goal, the United States does not feel sorry for anyone and anything. ABM is needed precisely for this.

      Poland is absolutely not a politically independent state that serves the interests of the United States. Who in the modern world will ask Poland for something? As the States said, it will do so.

      And who is currently pursuing an independent policy in the world besides China and Russia? Lukashenko doesn’t count ...
      1. Fat
        Fat 17 February 2016 12: 05
        0
        Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
        And who is currently pursuing an independent policy in the world besides China and Russia? Lukashenko doesn’t count ...

        Offhand Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea. would have thought, perhaps would have found more.
    6. SveTok
      SveTok 17 February 2016 08: 17
      0
      This is the beginning of the agony for the Poles in immunodeficiency.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 17 February 2016 09: 35
        +1
        Poland wants to repeat the 1939 disaster of the year
        Only nowadays, if anything, the Poles may not be able to surrender Poland. Yes, and what will be there after a missile strike ....
  2. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 17 February 2016 05: 56
    +3
    One will have to divide Poland sooner or later, and this will definitely be the last section of the Polish territory ...
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 17 February 2016 06: 16
      10
      It may turn out that there will be nothing to divide - there simply will be nothing left of Poland.
      The USA needs Poland as a victim in an atomic war with Russia.
    2. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 17 February 2016 06: 21
      +6
      I am afraid that there will be nothing to share, or rather there is no need. But part of the former Prussia, in vain they were given to them in due time, oh vain!
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 17 February 2016 06: 45
        +1
        Quote: Red_Hamer
        . But part of the former Prussia, in vain they were given to them in due time, oh vain!

        Still can get back to square one!
      2. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 17 February 2016 09: 06
        +9
        Quote: Red_Hamer
        I am afraid that there will be nothing to share, or rather there is no need. But part of the former Prussia, in vain they were given to them in due time, oh vain!


        Yes, Iosif Vissarionovich was a great politician, but he was in a hurry with Poland and Galichina. It would be better if he slaughtered a part of Poland to the GDR, than gave hope to the Llahams for a great Poland "from Mozha to Mozha"! They have had such a fetish since the time of Ivan the Terrible, although history has never taught them anything.
        1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin 17 February 2016 10: 27
          +1
          Let the Germans share their Germany with the Turks, and Poland can only be shared with Lukashenko.
  3. Denkon
    Denkon 17 February 2016 05: 57
    23
    I read similar materials, and I swear! What a Humpbacked bastard! So shit it all! The mind is incomprehensible!
    1. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN 17 February 2016 06: 39
      14
      It's not about Gorbachev.
      After Stalin (I do not support him in everything) people came to power too simple for big politics. Nikita Khrushchev. In the 50s, he covered up the development of the Bandera underground, many of whose members gained access to the party tops of the CPSU and to the civil service. So much for the Maidan in Ukraine, 60 years later it exploded. Dear Leonid Ilyich. Stagnation, gray people are in power. It exploded in the 90s. And as a result, Gorbach. If he weren’t, Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov would be.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 17 February 2016 06: 45
        +4
        Quote: SCHWERIN
        Dear Leonid Ilyich. Stagnation, gray people are in power.

        And under him, the USSR reached the peak of its development
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 17 February 2016 06: 58
          +4
          Quote: sa-ag
          And under him, the USSR reached the peak of its development

          And the fall began from this peak. Andropov was still trying to fix something, but it was too late.
  4. venaya
    venaya 17 February 2016 05: 58
    11
    Polish ruling elites do not seem to realize that acting in favor of American rather than national interests

    Yes, the Polish elites spat on the Poles themselves, they themselves were never Poles and always, in their tradition, defended the interests of only those who paid them more.
    1. marna
      marna 17 February 2016 07: 36
      +3
      Quote: venaya
      Yes, the Polish elites spat on the Poles themselves

      That's for sure. The main thing for them is to create a problem for Russia, and at what cost, no matter, at the worst, you can shoot yourself in the head. It seems that they are already born with Russophobia in the head. Their role is the main provocateurs against the Russian Federation in Europe, with them all the trouble against us always begins.
  5. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 17 February 2016 06: 05
    +4
    It only proves that the United States does not abandon its doctrine of a preemptive strike against Russia!


  6. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 17 February 2016 06: 07
    0
    Consent to deploying a missile defense system could bring even more catastrophe to Poland than happened in 1939. In the case of a modern war, Warsaw is not threatened by the occupation or loss of independence, but by the actual destruction of the country.
    Maybe they hope that in case of war Russia will regret them and will not use nuclear weapons on the territory of Poland?
    1. varov14
      varov14 17 February 2016 09: 02
      0
      Well, if there is anything valuable there you can hit the western border to create a buffer zone. To drive the Polish elite to the west, through the buffer zone, all the same mutants, the rest may enter the mind.
  7. tehnoluks
    tehnoluks 17 February 2016 06: 07
    +5
    Well. The Poles should bear in mind that, given the speed of development of weapons and military equipment, the missile defense position areas will not "scare away" missiles, but rather attract them. It is clear that at these objects of the "national economy" a lot of people will get green money from the Americans. But! Pans ... Poles! I’ll say banality, but have you prepared for the next section?
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 February 2016 06: 09
    +2
    LUPoBrig has not sufficiently increased the security of Poland? The warning that Poland is becoming a goal does not bother anyone there. Well, a cruise missile will fly into the village. How many sat down there? It is necessary to explain that the missile defense is not a toy and it is planned to launch nuclear attacks on missile defense facilities. This will impress.
  9. kind
    kind 17 February 2016 06: 09
    +5
    Poles always need a master who beats them, and they enjoy it. Germany used to be the owner, now they prostitute in search of a new master.
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 17 February 2016 06: 17
      +1
      Poles always need a master who beats them, and they enjoy it

      Sadomasochism.
  10. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 17 February 2016 06: 12
    +7
    Bayan, I admit, but in the subject.
  11. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 17 February 2016 06: 12
    +5
    The Poles are the same skakly — they only became stubborn earlier, besides now it’s not the 39th, in which case there will be nothing to share will be empty and radioactive crying
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 17 February 2016 10: 38
      0
      No, I propose another option: the Poles are our brothers - Western Rusichs who have been dusted with brains in the Middle Ages. And their elite gentry are Sarmatians. They themselves are trying to prove this to everyone. It is necessary for ordinary people to return their native Russian language in a modern way, and to send the elite to their homeland in the steppes of the northern Black Sea coast, to engage in traditional folk crafts - to graze horses. Reserves are available so far. lol
  12. Hooks
    Hooks 17 February 2016 06: 13
    +3
    The sheriff's blacks don't care. Nothing new - the complete lack of sovereignty among European countries. And 1939 they remember well. They just think that now the Russians in the morning want a cup of hot coffee and a piece of Poland.)
    1. Silkway0026
      Silkway0026 17 February 2016 06: 30
      +3
      The sheriff's blacks don't care.


      But how should it sound now, if the Acting Sheriff is right now in Pindoctan a Negro? "Problems of negroes do not care NEGRA?"
  13. Dmitry-042
    Dmitry-042 17 February 2016 06: 14
    +1
    Let them spend money! This "nedopro" will not help either pshek or mattress mats!
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  15. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 17 February 2016 06: 18
    +4
    in vain we blame the stupidity of the Poles, the Balts and others, they are simply afraid of us, really, to shit. propaganda does its job, the brains of the average man are processed, fear is sown. the shadow world government continues the division of the Earth.
  16. gla172
    gla172 17 February 2016 06: 37
    +3
    "" "" "..... the military-political leadership of the neighboring country forgot the lessons of World War II, then the Russians and Belarusians remember at what cost they got freedom ......" "" "

    That's it, they forgot. And they want to step on the same rake but the result will look different.
  17. 1536
    1536 17 February 2016 06: 37
    +1
    <In the event of a modern war, Warsaw is not threatened by occupation or loss of independence, but the actual destruction of the country.>

    Poles think they will find themselves in the Moscow Kremlin again. Hence all their numerous problems and troubles. However, the course of history shows that the stake on "small, proud" independent states has not justified itself and has become obsolete. Such territories become gateways and bridgeheads for the attacks of world powers against each other in the struggle for natural resources in the global confrontation. Economically, they fall into complete dependence on strong states, lose all independence, and the people are forced to leave to work abroad. But it doesn't have to be that way. Where he was born, there it fit, says the Russian proverb, and in the XNUMXst century it is impossible to allow entire territories to lie in ruins and not be cultivated. Conclusion: there should not be such states in the future. Everything that does not legally belong to one or another multinational, centralized, large country must either enter its jurisdiction, or become a recreational zone, free of all troops and weapons, with direct rule, of course, by a renewed UN. But this is a matter of the future, and today Poland is a big village with dirty, broken roads, hungry people (those who are still left to live out their days there). And what perverse life glimmers in its cities, we see and hear every day. Therefore, the policy of the Polish government of the country is doubly dangerous. In addition, the Poles really want to unleash a world war again, the way they unleashed the second world war, in order to fish in troubled waters. Will not work!
  18. buywol
    buywol 17 February 2016 06: 43
    +4
    They hope, as in World War II, to sit out in England, and the people will be blown away. Only they forgot that this is not the 40s of the twentieth century. England will accidentally go under water.
  19. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 17 February 2016 06: 55
    +3
    It always amazes me why, in harsh Russian statements about Euro-missile defense in Eastern Europe, the simplest explanation is never found. No mythical missiles from Iran and North Korea can fly over Poland simply by ballistics. You must say so directly. And the card must be shown. Even if it is theoretically possible, having sacrificed the energy of ICBMs, to fly not along the optimal trajectory, then who and why will do it if it is there that the anti-missiles are hiding. With this opportunity, the evil-minded Iran and the DPRK are more likely to launch ICBMs through the poles, where there is no missile defense.

    But ground-based Caliber is an exit from the INF Treaty; don't need that. Pedropolis can be covered with Gauges from Baltiysk.
    Iskander in the Kaliningrad region has long been necessary to place. But dad will let Belarus in or not is unknown; until something special desire he does not show.
    1. gamer
      gamer 17 February 2016 09: 57
      0
      They are already in the region !!! And Triumphs too, if that !!! hi
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 February 2016 07: 05
    +1
    Well, I personally hope for our electronic warfare.
    That would launch them such a hindrance,
    Schaub already the hair on the duplex flashed with lightning.
    In general, I personally think that if we cover all these air defenses,
    then with the help of our electronic warfare systems.
    And by the way, new interceptors can also be a means of attack,
    read an article about it.
  21. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 17 February 2016 07: 05
    0
    Scare them as it should, so that they go for themselves.
  22. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 17 February 2016 07: 10
    +3
    Here is food for thought: is it necessary to save this country next time?
  23. ARES623
    ARES623 17 February 2016 07: 19
    +4
    "Poland, in turn, instead of concluding mutually beneficial peace treaties, is increasingly falling into a rage. Surprisingly, it seems that the Poles have lost their instinct of self-preservation for the second time in recent years."

    The Poles, it seems, never had this instinct of self-preservation. Poles' relations with all countries except England were characterized by the highest Polish ambitions, arrogance, lack of common sense and a sense of gratitude. Therefore, should we be surprised at their current state? With a new leadership? It is about them Klitschko said that "tomorrow, not only can see everything. Few people can." In Poland - even more so. At the same time, I would not divide the people and the government. An individual, taken separately, can often express a restrained point of view, but having gathered in a "heap" will support a Russophobe and an extremist, and will elect outright Nazis to power. There is no reason to be surprised, let alone hope for some kind of warming in relations with Russia. Therefore, we should not "rip our shirt on our chest" for Russian-Polish friendship. Business by business, but you should always keep in mind the possibility of attempts at manipulation and betrayal on their part. You must always have an alternative to this relationship. And no generosity.
  24. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 February 2016 07: 21
    +3
    "If they like to be targets because of American weapons systems, it's their choice."

    It really is their choice. Poland perfectly understands the possible consequences in the event of a military conflict (I do not want to write war), but historical arrogance, Russophobia are doing their job.
  25. collapse34
    collapse34 17 February 2016 07: 40
    +4
    Quote: Volka
    however, the gentry does not teach anything, but in vain


    It can be seen and the gentry soon in history will not remain in this situation!
  26. tomcat117
    tomcat117 17 February 2016 07: 58
    +3
    Yes, Poland resembles the notorious goat of Timur, who received a dule (the tiger didn’t want to eat well) for his vigor and effort to be the sr. leader !.
  27. ava09
    ava09 17 February 2016 07: 58
    +1
    Quote: Orel
    No wonder. After the Ukrainian events, they fear us in Europe. They do not trust us.


    The rabid animal is also afraid and distrusts, but always attacks FIRST.

    Quote: Orel
    Miracles do not happen, if you make the main bet on the security forces, and cut education, science and healthcare from year to year, the result will be sad.


    Have you ever thought that you can bet on education, science and healthcare and all this can be reliably protected by cutting back on the appetites of oligarchic clans, officials - embezzlers and bribe-takers and improving the economy?

    THE WEST ATTITUDE TO RUSSIA CAN BE IN ONLY ONE CASE: "ETERNAL MEMORY" ...
  28. with
    with 17 February 2016 08: 11
    0
    Once again, you have to take off your hat to the overseas partners who have prepared the "Polish elite" living with the realities of 350 years ago (Poland from sea to sea), or at worst, a "sacrificial nation" suffering from the Russian bear. Previous Boyans and demotivators show the true geopolitical face of Poland, and this, whatever one may say, "take a pause, eat Poland." In the meantime, the Poles are busy creating precedents for Western Ukrainian property restitution. Russophobia is a purulent outgrowth of post-perestroika times, when cowards from the "London fugitives" were declared heroes, and the Pole, Marshal Rokossovsky, was a traitor who stopped Soviet troops so that the Germans destroyed the rebellious Warsaw. What can you expect from SUCH Poles? Respect? For them, the heroes are the Americans who rescued Private Ryan.
  29. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 17 February 2016 08: 32
    -4
    Many do not even understand why the Poles hate us. It's just the most basic thing, after our tanks liberated them, they really met them with flowers, but then purges and repressions began, after which our liberation was crossed out and perceived as an occupation. Therefore, we do not understand them. and when we tell them, they say, "What are you doing?" ? you were freed from Hitler ".... and they responded ...." you are occupants. "When Stalin began to impose order there, they all were horrified. Therefore, they got such disgust, and then on this mail the State Department with the help of public organizations and the media have formatted the tender Baltic brain in an anti-Soviet (Russian) way. What to expect from them. I understand them. Although they infuriate me, hatred does not arise from scratch.
    1. Winter cherry
      Winter cherry 17 February 2016 08: 48
      +3
      Well, yes, they wanted the Russians to be released, sacrificing their lives, and then simply left to the Americans as a gift. And the purges were carried out correctly - Poland was an ally of Hitler (with the exception of 4 tankers and one dog).
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 17 February 2016 09: 58
        -3
        Quote: Winter cherry
        Poland was an ally of Hitler

        huh? If the Pilsudski-Hitler non-aggression pact is regarded as an "alliance", then were we, too, with Hitler "allies"? Interesting look.
      2. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 17 February 2016 10: 22
        -2
        were cleanings carried out correctly? Well, yes, we see this result.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 17 February 2016 11: 28
          +1
          Quote: AdekvatNICK
          Well, yes, we see this result.

          What do you actually want? To get the Poles? Purges by purges, but 40 thousand AKs left the forest under an amnesty.
  30. oldzek
    oldzek 17 February 2016 08: 46
    0
    it’s all just because of the puddle in the heads of one’s death is a tragedy, and the death of many is statistics. And in what and in statistics they are masters. What is Poland, England and Europe in general.
  31. TsShVS
    TsShVS 17 February 2016 09: 19
    0
    It would be better if they were going to visit Ivan Susanin
  32. Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 17 February 2016 09: 31
    +1
    what is the parallel with the 39th? A metaphor for the sake of a red word?
  33. Begemot
    Begemot 17 February 2016 09: 35
    +2
    Berlin took the Polish army, the Russian army helped ...
    this is from an old polish song. Psheks never thought about it when it came to the possibility of spoiling Russia. And 39 year is the apotheosis of moronism. So they wanted, in company with Hitler, to make money on Russian soil that they did not notice how they themselves were gobbled up in two bites. If there were smart people there, you would remember that Poland suffered one of the biggest losses in relative terms in the last war, and all just because it was not going to be friends with those, and I had to fight with everyone.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 18 February 2016 01: 38
      0
      Quote: Begemot
      Poland suffered one of the largest losses in relative terms in the last war


      Well, it depends on what is considered a loss ...
      And the 6 million killed Polish citizens, half were Jews - and many in Poland are ready to forgive Hitler's 3 million killed Poles for being "freed Poland from 3 million Jews. "This is exactly what they called it - JudenFree.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 18 February 2016 01: 38
      0
      Quote: Begemot
      Poland suffered one of the largest losses in relative terms in the last war


      Well, it depends on what is considered a loss ...
      And the 6 million killed Polish citizens, half were Jews - and many in Poland are ready to forgive Hitler's 3 million killed Poles for being "freed Poland from 3 million Jews. "This is exactly what they called it - JudenFree.
  34. AlexTires
    AlexTires 17 February 2016 10: 51
    0
    The Poles will again be crushed in the battle of the heavyweights and will not be noticed, and the corpses of the Poles and Alliance forces will stink all the way to London.
    And nothing can be done, for Poland is a sanitary cordon, medically a condom, moreover, it has been used more than once, i.e. in Russian, darned ...
  35. Aitvaras
    Aitvaras 17 February 2016 11: 08
    0
    I think everything is fine, there is a second Cold War. Opponents are clearly identified, goals are set. In the summer I was in the Museum of Militarism in Plunge, near the Plateliai lake. There, the launching shaft of ballistic missiles, from the times of the USSR, and other auxiliary premises were restored. There, on the maps, targets in Europe are indicated, some of which were targeted by these nuclear missiles. On the other hand, targets are designated on the territory of the USSR, for NATO missiles. It's okay, especially since we consider Russia to be an aggressive state, it has a goal to arrange "our Crimea" among its neighbors, and only the policy of containing Russia is rational at the moment.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 17 February 2016 16: 28
      0
      is everything normal there is a cold war?))) you can immediately see the gentle Baltic mind.
  36. koshmarik
    koshmarik 17 February 2016 11: 36
    +1
    Particularly touching is the decision to create an international connection within the framework of the international NATO. Merry, I'll tell you there will be a brigade. Well, what a normal crest would agree that they were commanded by the gentry or the Balts. Or maybe the Pole is asleep and sees how Bandera's men are training him? What about the language barrier? And further. In theory and in exercises, this entire international will somehow still be able to "function", but when it comes to hostilities, where they really shoot and kill, the question will inevitably arise who will be the first to attack.