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Clever believe in the word, and fools?

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The fact that Erdogan will be forced to do something is clear to everyone. Too many statements. Too much at stake. Even relations with Russia and the USA. And time. Time trouble caused by the successful actions of the Syrian army.




Looking through the Western press, you unwittingly catch yourself thinking that something really broke in the minds of people. In most publications on the Syrian theme, Russia has long been fighting in Syria. It is the Russian units that destroy the "poor rebels".

And in the proof of the appearance of Russian T-90А on the side of Assad. For most, this is a revelation. But for a person who is interested, it’s perfect nonsense.

For the first time they talked about the T-90 back in November last year. They started talking about training crews for these vehicles at Russian training grounds. About the transfer tanks directly to Assad’s army. There was no particular secrecy in this.

Yes, the T-90A are supplied by the Syrian army. And not new tanks were delivered, but those who had already been in the army. Judging by the color - in the Russian army. And why was Russia forced to go for it? The answer at the very beginning of the operation was given by our president. The goal - the destruction of terrorists. Without reservations.

The Syrian army used Soviet T-55 and T-72 tanks. These "old men" quite coped with the tasks. Reliable, maintainable, fairly secure. But. As always happens, bandits from somewhere (let's pretend we don’t know) "got" TOW anti-tank systems and portable grenade launchers. And the "got", according to those who are supposed to know it, to 9000 pieces. It is clear that 55-e and 72-e old modifications can not effectively resist such complexes. In the Syrian army increased losses.

Why the newest (adopted by the Russian army in 2004) T-90? Why not upgraded T-72B3? Alas, even the upgraded T-72 is inferior to 90 in almost all parameters. Starting from booking and ending with security systems.

I will simply list for those interested what 72 is missing. First of all, "Blind-1". Great invention of our designers. The system allows you to neutralize all these TOW and other American TCP. Moreover, it is effective even against NATO cannon shells.

Next - the system "Ainet". A unique system that allows the explosion of the projectile in the air. And this is especially important when destroying strong points and fortified areas. One shell allows you to completely "demolish" the enemy machine-gun nest in the literal sense of the word.

In general, the participation of T-90 in the fighting is necessary for us. This is the first combat use of this tank. And already identified significant shortcomings in the protection system. Work to eliminate them has already begun.

And the days of the old T-72, with all modifications, alas, are numbered. Russia can not afford to continue to use the machine, which in its characteristics is inferior even to Korean or Chinese tanks. Even the Polish "Leopard-2A5" is better in terms of characteristics.

But back to Syria. Why do they speak so actively today about the military units of the Russian army? And is there our military there? There is! No one denies the presence of military advisers. The presence of spotters. The presence of other professionals. But there are no subunits and units.

In the same way, when terrorists searched for the body of a dead pilot, no one hid that there were instructors from Turkey in their ranks. And the body somehow turned out to be unclear there. In some areas, there are American specialists. There are Iranians, Saudis, Iraqis, even (rumors are not confirmed, but they are roaming) Israelis. So what's the deal?

But the fact is that yesterday, at the request of the Syrian Foreign Ministry, the Turks invaded Syria. Time selected successfully. Weekends. For some reason, most provocateurs live in the minds of the belief that the weekend is for everyone. Including for the military. In principle, this is true, but not for those who serve.

So, the 12 jeeps crossed the Syrian border yesterday. According to intelligence, about 100 man of personnel. The rest is covered with a veil of secrecy.

Usually on armored jeeps with machine-guns on the roof, they move the DRGs or mercenaries. But the number of cars shows that it was the military unit that entered. It seems to me that the specialists of the Turkish army are working. And the task is to “work out” the rear of the Syrian army. Along the way, small groups will be landed in various areas, and the vehicles themselves will be used to reinforce any of the gangs of terrorists. And this speaks already of the real invasion of the Turkish army into Syria.

There is another nuance of Sunday events. Many have heard about the shelling of the Kurdish positions in Syria from Turkey. But there was one more. Much more serious. For the first time yesterday there was an artillery duel. In response to the shelling of positions, Syrian artillery bombarded the Turkish. Those. fighting is already openly conducted between the Syrian and Turkish armies.

I will not talk about who will win this war and who will lose. To tear a vest is, of course, beautiful. But could someone with an 100 percent guarantee say in 41 that we win? It is doubtful. But there was faith. Belief in victory. And the desire to win.

The Syrians have exactly the same faith and desire today. And this faith is supported by the support of the army by the people. And Russia today is not the last country.

Monday will show where the end point of jeeps. It seems to me that today this column will be indicated by the Russian Su-25 to this column. If an intelligent person understands simple human words, then the fool needs to reinforce these words with a crack. The word plus clout is taught even completely frostbitten and irresponsible.
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  1. chikenous59
    chikenous59 16 February 2016 06: 09 New
    +3
    Monday will show where the destination of the jeeps is. It seems to me that today the Russian SU-25 will indicate this endpoint of the route to this convoy.
    Today is Tuesday ...
    What kind of populism from the author?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 February 2016 06: 18 New
      56
      But there are no divisions and units.
      Sasha, with all due respect to you, you hurried. Now there is a threat of an invasion of the Turks in Syria, and yet hell knows who. And against this backdrop, all of a sudden, ours take and drag CNN correspondents to their positions.
      Where even the most blind will see, completely familiar units and not a fig are not Syrian.
      Americans and Turks, and everyone else, will perfectly see and understand who they will have to deal with. It is most likely done intentionally, so that the temptation would not go into Syria.
      And with regards to the application, Our military is not in Syria, so we were not in the Crimea and in the Donbass.
      Egypt, Algeria, Laos, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Korea, and even the devil knows where we were not. But we were there wink
      Link to video from CNN
      https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2016-02-15/CNN-prishlos-priznat-chto-Siriya
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 16 February 2016 06: 21 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But there are no divisions and units.

        But what about the detachments of the marines guarding our base? How many are there really?)
        1. aba
          aba 16 February 2016 06: 51 New
          0
          And one has already died, saving the pilots.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 16 February 2016 08: 10 New
            24
            From the article
            If the clever understands simple human words, then the fool needs to reinforce these words with a crack. The word plus a slap is taught even to completely frostbitten and insane.

            Well said! In aphorisms fit! I like it. laughing

            To the author for the article +
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 16 February 2016 10: 51 New
              +8
              Quote: Tatiana
              The word plus a slap is taught even to completely frostbitten and insane.
              Well said! In aphorisms fit!

              ... a statement attributed to the mafiosi of Al Capone - that "a kind word and Smith & Wesson works much better than just a kind word". “And, unfortunately, he was right,” Putin said. http://rusmonitor.com/putin-soslalsya-na-al-kapone-govorya-ob-otstaivanii-geopol
              iticheskikh-interesov-rossii.html
              1. Weyland
                Weyland 16 February 2016 22: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: V.ic
                statement attributed to mafiosi al capone


                I read the version that it is the old and wise experience Hernán Cortez said to the young enthusiastic missionary Diego de Landa: "Of God you can achieve much more with a word and a gun than with the word of God alone! "

                Apparently, Diego heeded the advice - it was he who established the Inquisition on Yucatan ...
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 February 2016 10: 54 New
              +5
              Quote: Tatiana
              Well said!

              This is just a rephrase of Al Capone:
              "a kind word and a pistol can achieve much more than just a kind word"
            3. EvilLion
              EvilLion 16 February 2016 16: 58 New
              +1
              Remaking a phrase about a good word and a gun.
          2. kazak08
            kazak08 16 February 2016 14: 58 New
            0
            and not at all a hero of Russia, unlike the one who was shot down and simply shot as not blasphemous it sounds "because she is beautiful in the world"
        2. domokl
          domokl 16 February 2016 07: 11 New
          19
          Quote: chikenous59
          But what about the detachments of the marines guarding our base?

          So guarding our base or participating in the war?
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 16 February 2016 07: 42 New
            0
            Quote: domokl
            So guarding our base or participating in the war?

            And how do we know the truth? I did not go to Syria, so I don’t have any information whether they are fighting there or not. No one will tell you the truth in the media.
      2. gergi
        gergi 16 February 2016 07: 54 New
        13
        We have always been in Crimea. In Syria, we are now. What nafig hints? In plain text, Russia is ready! Climb!
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 16 February 2016 09: 39 New
          60
          Quote: gergi
          We have always been in Crimea. In Syria, we are now. What nafig hints? In plain text, Russia is ready! Climb!
          1. alexng
            alexng 16 February 2016 18: 16 New
            +5
            The woodpecker "lived". The woodpecker is "alive". The woodpecker "will live".

            The smart learns from the mistakes of others, and the fool even from his ignoramuses. It seems that only a rake with an ax tied to a handle will teach a perdogan.
        2. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 16 February 2016 11: 20 New
          +3
          We have always been in Crimea. In Syria, we are now. What nafig hints?
          I will supplement your comment with such information:
          A spokesman for Russian President Dmitry Peskov commented on a statement by the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, about the participation of Chechen special forces in a ground operation in Syria, RIA Novosti reported.
          Kadyrov told reporters of the Russia 1 television channel about a special detachment. “The time has come to talk about those who ensure the success of Russian aviation on earth at the cost of their own lives,” the announcement of the Vesti Nedeli program says. According to Kadyrov, there was a special forces in Syria, which was trained in Chechnya and opposes ISIS (the Arabic name is DAISH, banned in Russia). The full story will be shown on Wednesday.
          The head of Chechnya also said that long before the formation of the terrorist group, he received information about the creation of special training camps in the Middle East to train militants, while “instructors were from NATO states there.”
          Then, according to Kadyrov, he sent his intelligence agents there to collect information. Thus, it was possible to create an extensive intelligence network directly in ISIS itself, the head of Chechnya told reporters.
      3. Alexez
        Alexez 16 February 2016 10: 23 New
        +4
        Yes, the picture is interesting, and it’s even more interesting to see where this reportage was shot. The direction of impact of Raqqa is for amers that a red rag. By the way, the network already has infa about the destruction of this very column by the forces of the air forces.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 16 February 2016 11: 41 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexez
          Direction of impact Raqqa

          The battles of Racca at the beginning of the video seem to be two T-90s glow smile
      4. padded jacket
        padded jacket 16 February 2016 10: 55 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And against this background, all of a sudden, ours take and drag CNN correspondents to their positions.

        Quite right, Syria and its people need to be helped or we will fight with Daesh (IS) already somewhere near Vladikavkaz, and that is exactly what the USA and Israel want to arrange for us.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 16 February 2016 12: 57 New
          +9
          Kurdish self-defense forces stormed the city of Tel Rifaat in northern Aleppo. It is located 20 kilometers from the border with Turkey.


          The ring around Aleppo closes and the sponsors of terrorism in the region such as Turkey Israel Saudi Arabia are very upset smile
      5. Normal ok
        Normal ok 17 February 2016 02: 01 New
        0
        The voice is not a boy, but a husband :)
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      7. erlikon
        erlikon 17 February 2016 07: 45 New
        +1
        Do you see a gopher? Not! But he is!
    2. VP
      VP 16 February 2016 06: 19 New
      +6
      This is not the last Monday in life wink
    3. Finches
      Finches 16 February 2016 06: 28 New
      20
      Erdogan is unpredictable! Now the United States is holding him back a bit, but he understands that he has played too much and needs to do something - either send troops to Turkey or put an end to all his plans to destroy Assad! I think that Erdogan is standing on the banks of the Rubicon ...., already knee-deep in the water!
      1. domokl
        domokl 16 February 2016 07: 13 New
        18
        Quote: Finches
        Erdogan is unpredictable

        In fact of the matter. Erdogan is not used to getting faces in the face. A sort of constant winner. And here it’s not just hit, but mixed with dirt methodically. Because I agree with you completely
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 16 February 2016 07: 42 New
          26
          Quote: domokl
          Erdogan is not used to getting faces in the face. A sort of constant winner.

          Well, not really like that.
          I remember that he wanted to illegally sail to Gaza: they say that if he is personally on the ship, then the Israelis will not touch the caravan.
          Israel said it was moved. And ... Erdogan was blown away by the wind.
          And large-scale battles with the Kurds in Turkey itself have not stopped for many years, and this is also "in the face".
          There are problems with all neighbors, from large ones, to not so.
          And if, in the course of attempts to launch an offensive in Syria, the Kurds begin an offensive (active deviation attacks) in Turkey itself? And if the Turks hurt our forces and their control points, the most important bases, strike a retaliation, albeit with tactical nuclear weapons, that the United States (NATO) will defend Erdogan, risking himself?
          That is unlikely!
          Yes, the "Turkish Saltan" understands, radish, that such attacks will not lead to the restoration of the Ottoman Empire, but to the complete collapse of the existing Turkish state.
          The Bosphorus may even expand significantly, but Istanbul will no longer be ... crying
          Of course, the use of powerful conventional weapons systems, not to mention nuclear ones, is highly undesirable for us. We do not want to undermine the foundations of world stability. But the West, all the more, does not want to risk its good "life" either.
          Tranding anti-Russian slogans-these are not bags tossing and turning. laughing They will take measures to curb their lousy ally.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 16 February 2016 11: 02 New
            11
            And if the Turks hurt our forces and at their control points, the most important bases, they will strike a retaliation
            .
            We do not want to undermine the foundations of global stability.
            As the practice of thousands of years of mankind has shown, such massive strikes of retaliation greatly contribute to strengthening long-term stability.
            From the most recent examples: our reply to Georgia on 08.08.08. Vrazhina immediately became just a nyasha. And for the sixth year it has not made such sharp movements as before. Not trying to shoot and provoke.
        2. bk316
          bk316 17 February 2016 19: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          Erdogan is not used to getting faces in the face. A sort of constant winner.

          Exactly, one must understand who you are fighting with partisans who do not have their own state education or with a great power. If you do not understand it means inadequate, then unpredictable.
          And you should not be Erdogan the first sultan of a great empire, but be a fluent prezik like Sakoshvili.
      2. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 16 February 2016 09: 35 New
        -6
        The fact that Erdogan will be forced to do something is clear to everyone. Too many applications. Too much is at stake.

        Quote: Finches
        Erdogan is unpredictable! Now the United States is holding him back a bit, but he understands that he has played too much and needs to do something - either send troops to Turkey or put an end to all his plans to destroy Assad!

        With such logistics, the prospects of the airborne forces and its ground guarding are more than logical if the Turks get into it seriously.
        I will say briefly. I re-read Port Arthur and Tsushima.
        1. Karlos
          Karlos 16 February 2016 10: 51 New
          +9
          I want to disappoint you, in the nineties, the Turks wanted to invade Armenia, one statement by Minister of Defense Shaposhnikov tempered the ardor of the Turks, and re-read Port Arthur, there would be no harm.
          1. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 16 February 2016 15: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlos
            I want to disappoint you

            Why did you decide that you disappointed me.
            Shaposhnikov’s statement on Armenia in the 90s is absolutely correct and necessary!
            But.
            What side is it to logistics VKS in Syria 2016?
            Again logistics.

            By the way, here's what else they started to declare on behalf of the coalition, although as if not, but as if yes:
            Merkel stands for the no-fly zone over Syria
            http://newsland.com/user/4297655637/content/5047879
      3. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 16 February 2016 10: 57 New
        +5
        I do not agree. This is Vladimir Vladimirovich unpredictable. And Erdogan is just as predictable. Especially in the long run.
      4. Navy7981
        Navy7981 16 February 2016 18: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Erdogan is unpredictable! Now the United States is holding him back a bit, but he understands that he has played too much and needs to do something - either send troops to Turkey or put an end to all his plans to destroy Assad! I think that Erdogan is standing on the banks of the Rubicon ...., already knee-deep in the water!


        But will he be worthy of the Rubicon? Rather, a warm place where I looked. I am one of the politicians who burned bridges only Allende remember ...
      5. Navy7981
        Navy7981 16 February 2016 18: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Finches
        Erdogan is unpredictable! Now the United States is holding him back a bit, but he understands that he has played too much and needs to do something - either send troops to Turkey or put an end to all his plans to destroy Assad! I think that Erdogan is standing on the banks of the Rubicon ...., already knee-deep in the water!

        Will Erdogan be worthy of the Rubicon? I do not believe!!! Rather, just in case, he has already prepared a place for himself, from where something "significant" will be broadcast. Of the politicians, only Salvador Allende of those who burned bridges comes to mind.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 16 February 2016 09: 56 New
      15
      No need to repeat the error type Minsk-1 and Minsk -2. Already, Lugansk and Donetsk regions would be independent within their administrative borders. And Ukraine would be different. The same scenario in Syria. As soon as they felt the strength, they immediately requested negotiations.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 16 February 2016 17: 46 New
        +1
        Minsk allowed to reduce heat. The republics would be independent - a big question. We could now be drawn into a massive confrontation. Syria is a ruin. Why do we need this in the Donbass.
    5. Alexez
      Alexez 16 February 2016 10: 25 New
      0
      Not any populism -
      https://eadaily.com/news/2016/02/15/gruppa-boevikov-iz-turcii-pytavshihsya-prorv
      atsya-v-tel-rifaat-unichtozhena-aviaudarami
    6. free
      free 16 February 2016 11: 00 New
      +2
      it happens that Tuesday was decided on Monday
    7. max702
      max702 16 February 2016 11: 50 New
      +6
      According to rumors in Syria, there are about 20-30 T-90s .. And judging by the photos of the cars, let's say so naked .. It is clear that the protective qualities of the T-90 are high, but wouldn't the dynamic protection of the same sides interfere? Have us that the reserves of the remote control are depleted? Okay, there is a "relic" but "contact-5" must be heaps! All the same, the cost of DZ is not comparable to the cost of a tank. Or again, as they forgot in Grozny .. It may be easier and more profitable (for further contracts) to equip the DZ T-90 whatever you may say, but Syria is an advertising platform for our military-industrial complex, and the lives of tankers and, accordingly, the fulfillment of a combat mission are even more important! So why are the tanks naked ?!
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 17 February 2016 05: 20 New
        +4
        First of all "Shtora-1". A great invention of our designers. The system allows you to neutralize all these TOWs and other US PTSs. Moreover, it is effective even against NATO cannon shells.

        Dear author, do not wishful thinking No. How can "Shtora" protect against an uncontrolled BPS on the trajectory?
    8. Klos
      Klos 16 February 2016 18: 54 New
      +2
      Many Mondays in the year :-)
    9. Just BB
      Just BB 17 February 2016 05: 45 New
      +3
      Yes, in general, with the weekend at the author of "neskadukha" - in Syria, the day off is Friday - "Juma". And the Syrian army, in peacetime, had a shift schedule of weekends - One composition rested on Friday, another on Saturday, and the third, respectively, on Sunday.
      Well, during the war .....
      (This is so, for the "common erudition)
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 February 2016 06: 22 New
    +5
    Erdogan has an organ in his head.
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  3. Andkor1962
    Andkor1962 16 February 2016 06: 26 New
    20
    Delivered + article only because I still believe that Turkey will be given in the teeth!
  4. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 16 February 2016 06: 57 New
    +5
    Now the State Department will pull the doggie off the leash, and Erdogad and the Saudis will go to save the oil tanks of their stolen tanks.
    1. VP
      VP 16 February 2016 07: 00 New
      -1
      Not understood. How can Erdogan save the already stolen oil tanks, which threatens these stolen oil tanks, and why do the Saudis need stolen oil tanks?
  5. shinobi
    shinobi 16 February 2016 06: 59 New
    +3
    Well, it's not just that a boat with "calibers" went to the shores of Syria. Who will be bobo.
  6. Hammer
    Hammer 16 February 2016 07: 00 New
    12
    First of all "Shtora-1". A great invention of our designers. The system allows you to neutralize all these TOWs and other US PTSs. Moreover, it is effective even against NATO cannon shells.

    It’s still night in Israel, and the Professor has sweet dreams, instead of watching the terrible propaganda.
    1. Veter
      Veter 16 February 2016 08: 20 New
      +8
      Quote: Hammer
      and the professor has sweet dreams

      No, he is digesting Old in the next topic about a lined abrams in Yemen
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 16 February 2016 10: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: Veter
        No, he is digesting Old in the next topic about a lined abrams in Yemen

        and the "fellow countryman" protects him, the tents demolished in Moscow "breast" lol
  7. RomanN
    RomanN 16 February 2016 07: 16 New
    +5
    A Turkish military journalist said that according to the Turkish command, there was already an order to attack Syria from Erdogan.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 February 2016 07: 20 New
      24
      That's right ... The Turkish General Staff is against the invasion. because they understand the development of events further.
      1. Alexandr-NVR
        Alexandr-NVR 16 February 2016 09: 50 New
        +4
        Turkish General Staff against the invasion. because they understand the development of events further. The videoconferencing system will quickly change its goals ..


        Well, maybe it’s time for them to do the example of Egypt?
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 16 February 2016 14: 11 New
          +2
          Turkish General Staff against the invasion. because they understand the development of events further. The videoconferencing system will quickly change its goals ..


          Well, maybe it’s time for them to do the example of Egypt?
          Erdogan greatly thinned particularly disobedient and independent officers in the army, and in the General Staff in the first place.
  8. valent45
    valent45 16 February 2016 07: 39 New
    +6
    Directly, the Turks are unlikely to climb, but will act with small swoops and shelling
    from far away. Well, there are different sabotage. Syrian Ambassador says Americans bombed again
    hospital doctors without borders. Well, Americans only in hospitals are big specialists or even a water pump
    to bomb.
  9. builder
    builder 16 February 2016 07: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    But there are no divisions and units.

    These are the pilgrims!
  10. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 16 February 2016 07: 44 New
    +4
    The fact that Erdogan will be forced to do something is clear to everyone.

    Well, why, threats, blackmail, blasphemy in politics, no one has yet canceled ... It’s quite a working plan for hundreds of years. It can roar and move out slowly, no one will notice. And to save face, he can conduct an anti-ISIS operation on its territory, and drive the Kurds to this music, quite ...
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 February 2016 08: 00 New
    +4
    If the clever understands simple human words, then the fool needs to reinforce these words with a crack

    In this I agree with the author. Moreover, sometimes one crack is not enough and it is necessary to add to the end for a final understanding of the situation.
  12. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 16 February 2016 08: 04 New
    +3
    Miracles - 12 jeeps and 100 people. seen and not destroyed. It’s strange.
    But didn’t they manage to roll them into the sand or could not? Darken, however ...
    1. lex locis
      lex locis 16 February 2016 14: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Volzhanin
      But didn’t they manage to roll them into the sand or could not?

      Read the news. Already able and already rolled up ....
  13. mamont5
    mamont5 16 February 2016 08: 08 New
    +2
    "12 jeeps crossed the Syrian border yesterday. According to intelligence, about 100 personnel. The rest is still shrouded in secrecy."

    The question is, why were not destroyed immediately? Any way. None of the Western coalition, including the Turks, announced the entry of their troops, which means violators entered. Bey, I don't want to.
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 16 February 2016 08: 16 New
      -1
      I think that they are being led. It’s not just that they’re traveling, but somewhere and for some reason.
      Of course it’s better to take the language, but ...
    2. domokl
      domokl 16 February 2016 08: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: mamont5
      The question is, why were not destroyed immediately?

      There are two answers. Or did not figure out who it is. Destroy, and then listen that these were some sort of regular ... without borders. Or they really lead. If the column is under control, then now they will not go anywhere.
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 16 February 2016 09: 28 New
        +2
        some sort of regular ... without borders

        For example, moderate "oppositionists" ... without borders laughing
  14. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 16 February 2016 08: 23 New
    -2
    "Why exactly the newest (adopted by the Russian army in 2004) T-90? Why not the modernized T-72B3? Alas, even the modernized T-72 is inferior to the 90th in almost all respects. Starting from reservation and ending with protection systems. "

    So why then are the T-72 modifications delivered to the Russian army, and the T-90s are going somewhere (not about Syria, it’s a different situation) ??? At the moment is THE CRIMEbased on someone's selfish interests!
    1. nimboris
      nimboris 16 February 2016 08: 29 New
      +7
      Don't speak out loud! T-90 is needed in Syria, so they are there. The military knows better.
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 16 February 2016 10: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: nimboris
        T-90 is needed in Syria,

        You can’t find a better polygon.
        yesterday what "technique pulled up"
        Tu-214R sat in Khmeinim
        you can read about it here
        http://www.airwar.ru/enc/spy/tu214r.html
    2. domokl
      domokl 16 February 2016 08: 33 New
      -2
      Everything is as always ... Finance sings romances. And then ... No one has such a rich anti-tank defense. Our 72, though an old man, is quite a working tank. Everything has its time ... And then, there is Armata
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 16 February 2016 09: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        And then, there is Armata

        In how many years will we see Artmat in the army? In sufficient quantity ...
        1. domokl
          domokl 16 February 2016 10: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: chikenous59
          After how many years will we see Artmat in the army?

          Therefore, they are modernizing in full 72. They have the potential for modernization.
        2. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 16 February 2016 11: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: chikenous59
          In how many years will we see Artmat in the army? In sufficient quantity ...

          A little help
          T-34-85 - Discontinued by the Russian army in 1993. In the Russian army in significant quantities on BHVT (base storage of weapons and equipment) remained until 2005
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 16 February 2016 12: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: ShadowCat
            T-34-85 - Discontinued by the Russian army in 1993. In the Russian army in significant quantities on BHVT (base storage of weapons and equipment) remained until 2005

            Do you seriously think that Russian soldiers would have fought on these tanks ??
            They are stored for free assistance to all banana republics.
            1. Shadowcat
              Shadowcat 16 February 2016 21: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: chikenous59
              Do you seriously think that Russian soldiers would have fought on these tanks ??

              At the moment, definitely not, therefore, removed. And so in 93em ... I think if I had to, from little happiness used b.
              BHVT for that and BHVT as the last thing that can be raked out and thrown into battle and bins. If you recall, at one time near Moscow, having an arms crisis, weapons were used almost by the museum. They were also used not out of great happiness, but out of simple need.
            2. Just BB
              Just BB 17 February 2016 05: 58 New
              +2
              No need to think so.
              In a "good fight" the "hunting cartridge"
              Or do you think that the defense industry will be allowed to work quietly (in peacetime it was ruined - the atomic bombing is resting)
              And less time for training.
              Look at the "opponent" - all the deserts are lined with storage bases and equipment is there - peers of our T-34 and Il-2
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 17 February 2016 08: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: Just BB
                Look at the "opponent" - all the deserts are lined with storage bases and equipment is there - peers of our T-34 and Il-2

                Here you certainly skidded No. Can this topic be covered in more detail, by type and by base?
    3. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 16 February 2016 11: 06 New
      +2
      The T-72 enters the army after modernization, and the newly made ones are not bought.
  15. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 16 February 2016 08: 48 New
    +3
    I watched a CNN video today, I'm sorry I don't know English. But the video sequence impressed - our divisions in Syria are "savsem net".
    1. your1970
      your1970 20 February 2016 11: 48 New
      0
      A tactful hint - we are not here, but a polar fox may come - he usually works for us repeat
  16. Belousov
    Belousov 16 February 2016 10: 23 New
    +9
    The main question in this mess is one - will there be an order for our troops to strike to defeat? Something I don’t have faith in our elites (although what kind of ours are they?), They will not aggravate, because there is a risk of losing everything looted and stored in Western banks. I somehow can’t imagine Gref and Miller in the trench, they’ll rather surrender everything. It was Stalin's sons who served, and on the front line, but where are the offspring of these parents?
  17. Professor
    Professor 16 February 2016 10: 58 New
    -18 qualifying.
    First of all "Shtora-1". A great invention of our designers. The system allows you to neutralize all these TOWs and other US PTSs. Moreover, it is effective even against NATO cannon shells.

    Oh how. Live and learn. He shone the flashlight under his breath and ... the NATO cannon shell fell.

    I will not say anything about the "Great invention of our designers". lol

    Further - the "Ainet" system. unique a system that allows you to undermine a shell in the air.

    For so much uniquethat the damned bourgeoisie are already taking full advantage of her.

    In general, the participation of the T-90 in hostilities is also necessary for us. This is the first combat use of this tank. And significant shortcomings in the protection system have already been identified

    What????? Revealed significant shortcomings in the protection system of an unmatched tank in the world and even against the ancient TOU? May year (My God). What will happen when the militias buy Javelina da Spike in the military wassat
    1. Artura0777
      Artura0777 16 February 2016 12: 05 New
      +8
      and it will be that your enemies will also buy similar means against tanks and you too will not be sick, professor of wikipedia !!!)
      1. Professor
        Professor 16 February 2016 12: 12 New
        -14 qualifying.
        Quote: Artura0777
        and it will be that your enemies will also buy similar means against tanks and you too will not be sick, professor of wikipedia !!!)

        Will we sell them Spikes to them? wink This is of course unlikely, but for this case we have KAZ.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 16 February 2016 12: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          This is of course unlikely, but for this case we have KAZ.


          KAZ, against land mines, does not work ....
          still a screen from CNN. from under Palmyra.
          1. Professor
            Professor 16 February 2016 12: 47 New
            -8
            Quote: cosmos111
            KAZ, against land mines, does not work ....

            KAZ does not work against much. For example, an atomic bomb. However, here it was a question of Shtor (does it really work against land mines?) And anti-tank systems.
            1. TOR2
              TOR2 16 February 2016 20: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              However, it was a question of Shtor (does it really work against a landmine?)

              Professor, how do you like the "Curtain" of the Israeli cut? You can consult your compatriots against what it works against. smile
              1. Professor
                Professor 16 February 2016 20: 08 New
                -5
                Quote: TOR2
                Professor, how do you like the "Curtain" of the Israeli cut? You can consult your compatriots against what it works against.

                I’ll tell you how it works when you tell me why this gravitsap stands exclusively on the commander’s tank. wink


                PS
                And what kind of gadgets are these? wink
                1. merkava-2bet
                  merkava-2bet 16 February 2016 21: 00 New
                  +8
                  The top photo is a system for infrared suppression of modulated and gated ATG frequencies of the 2nd generation of which to hell
                  at our theater of permanent wars.
                  The second photo is an improved laser detection system with the addition of a terrain viewing function since the Merkava-3bet dorelet (in two photos) has limitations in visibility, this is a relatively new system in order to raise its level of awareness around the tank.
                  As to why they put only on the commander’s tank, the commander’s tank is an officer’s tank and means (1,2,3, ד, 17 ג, 10 ג, 20 ג, ג).
                  The system itself is modular and put on any armored vehicles (Merkava, Puma, Ahzarit)
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 16 February 2016 21: 10 New
                    -3
                    Quote: merkava-2bet
                    The system itself is modular and put on any armored vehicles (Merkava, Puma, Ahzarit)



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        2. Znayka
          Znayka 17 February 2016 11: 34 New
          0
          And we have an RPG-30 for this case hi
          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 18 February 2016 17: 52 New
            0
            KAZ, against land mines, does not work ....

            AND? It turns out that you don’t need to wear a helmet either - it will not protect you from a landmine.
            And then, is it better when there is a system on MBT that protects against 70% of shots or when there is nothing at all?

            The curtain can be criticized, but it gives a certain protective effect. UAE purchased BMP-3M with Stora and are happy - it rejects missiles. In the meantime, Arena-E and Afganit will appear in the Armed Forces.
        3. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 18 February 2016 17: 59 New
          +1
          Professor! Do your serial KAZ protect the upper hemisphere?
          1. Professor
            Professor 18 February 2016 19: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Blackgrifon
            Professor! Do your serial KAZ protect the upper hemisphere?

            Yes.
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  18. TOR2
    TOR2 16 February 2016 11: 23 New
    +2
    And the days of the old T-72, with all modifications, alas, are numbered. Russia can not afford to continue to use the machine, which in its characteristics is inferior even to Korean or Chinese tanks. Even the Polish "Leopard-2A5" is better in terms of characteristics.

    Here the author got excited. Starting back in 0x, work began on creating a television tank based on the T-72.
    https://youtu.be/3PXt9TiYwVE
    To date, there are several similar projects from different developers. So this car will still fight, but with or without a crew it doesn’t matter.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 18 February 2016 17: 47 New
      -1
      The author in many ways got very excited - such a delirium of consciousness has not existed for a long time. SPECIALLY made fun of a children's tale about the T-72. Given that the modernization potential of the machine is far from exhausted, and the T-72B3 is more like an intermediate version of modernization (it has already been announced that the rest of the B3 from 2016 will be equipped with a reflex and gratings) to the levels of T-90 and B2.
  19. koshmarik
    koshmarik 16 February 2016 11: 46 New
    +8
    With the invasion of the Turks, everything is not so simple, because the invasion of the territory of another state must somehow be legally justified, justified in the eyes of the world community. So far, the Turks have neither UN permission, nor the request of the Syrian legitimate government, nor even US approval. So you can easily run into trouble. And the Turkish military, are not eager to defend the Erdoganov clan’s oil business. It’s one thing to talk about war and sucking another to die on the battlefield.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 18 February 2016 18: 11 New
      0
      This is not easy for Russia - we are still remembered even by 888. But Turkey already has experience: Northern Cyprus has been under their control for more than 50 years.
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  21. Stranger
    Stranger 16 February 2016 12: 07 New
    +3
    The operators captured three towed 152 mm 2A65 Msta-B howitzers, a T-90A tank, three artillery tractors on a KAMAZ-6350 chassis, three conventional onboard KAMAZ-43114, URAL-4320, about two BTR-82A armored personnel carriers, UAZ vehicles -3163 Patriot and UAZ-23632 Pickup, as well as the Mi-8AMTSh helicopter with two B-8V20A unmanned aerial missile units.
    Photo: CNN

    As the bmpd military blog draws attention, the position of Russian guns is protected by various formations - on T-90 tanks and BTR-82A armored personnel carriers, along with the Syrian BMP-1 and 57-mm S-60 anti-aircraft guns on a cargo chassis.
    Photo: CNN

    Previously, information appeared about the weapons seen from the Syrian army delivered from Russia.
    Photo: CNN

    Recall that Russia from September 30, 2015 conducts an air operation in Syria. The request for military assistance to counter terrorists, including from the Islamic State and Jebhat al-Nusra banned in the Russian Federation, was addressed to Moscow by Syrian leader Bashar Assad.
    tags:
    Syria Russia weapons technology igil msta-b t-90a btr-82a mi-8amtsh
  22. CRASH
    CRASH 16 February 2016 13: 33 New
    -2
    In general, the participation of T-90 in the fighting is necessary for us. This is the first combat use of this tank. And already identified significant shortcomings in the protection system. Work to eliminate them has already begun. complete garbage.
  23. Artura0777
    Artura0777 16 February 2016 14: 02 New
    +1
    saw how your shitty kazy work)))))) only in commercials))))
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  25. Hammer
    Hammer 16 February 2016 14: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    I will not say anything about the "Great invention of our designers"

    Ahaha, remember the devil)
  26. Artura0777
    Artura0777 16 February 2016 15: 20 New
    +7
    here the praised KAZ helped merkava
    1. Professor
      Professor 16 February 2016 15: 34 New
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Artura0777
      here the praised KAZ helped merkava

      Thickly troll.
      1. Artura0777
        Artura0777 16 February 2016 16: 18 New
        0
        I write the truth "smart guy" "!!
        1. Artura0777
          Artura0777 16 February 2016 18: 42 New
          0
          You can immediately see how many "natives" are from the dwarf desert country)))))))
      2. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 16 February 2016 21: 08 New
        +5
        Firstly, the Merkava-4 tank without a letter and without active protection Vetrovka from the time of the second Lebanese 2006, then only experimental samples were available. You would still show a photo of Merkav from the times of the first Lebanese 1982.
        1. just exp
          just exp 17 February 2016 00: 56 New
          +1
          Well, let’s say KAZ, such as a windbreaker, and our arena, it’s far from a panacea even for anti-tank missiles and RPGs, first of all they can be put out of action by sniper fire first. Yes, and RPG type Hooks can also offset the presence of KAZ on the BTT.
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 17 February 2016 04: 00 New
            +8
            Yes, it’s not a panacea, but it greatly prolongs life. Where have you seen such snipers who can from 500-600 meters in a moving tank both in the front and transverse zones and even in one of the radar units that are smaller than a laptop and can’t crap out of fear. I’m also a sniper and can it’s not as cool as in action movies, but when I shot the M82A1 Barret rifle for the first time, a series of five shots at a distance of 870 meters on a 200 liter barrel hit only 3, and I was a pro with me and helped me. I write in detail that would be It’s clear that among our snipers of linear units there is a rule to shoot only up to 500-600 meters and this is enough, there are special forces units that can do better but everyone speaks with one voice that it is very difficult to hit a moving object and even at a flank speed of movement at a distance of over 300 meters. And for that matter, a tank with active protection, it is better to disable it using an automatic grenade launcher like AGS-17,30,40 or MK-19, with high-explosive fragmentation grenades, the effect is greater and there is a greater chance of survival.
            1. just exp
              just exp 17 February 2016 16: 26 New
              0
              Well then, a landmine with a detonation over the wires, but there is practically no protection against those.
              1. merkava-2bet
                merkava-2bet 17 February 2016 16: 44 New
                0
                And charges based on a cumulative core and cross them on a cross for guaranteed destruction.
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  27. Evil 55
    Evil 55 16 February 2016 15: 59 New
    +3
    Russia is ALWAYS where the Truth needs Protection ... And do not say too much ...
    1. CRASH
      CRASH 16 February 2016 16: 50 New
      -1
      Do you "masturbate" to the anthem? laughing just such a comment is funny, why funny, I won’t remember everything, I’ll just say Livia-Gaddafi and a whisker.
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  28. Belarus
    Belarus 16 February 2016 16: 51 New
    +3
    Russian-Turkish war in the air: scenarios of battles and losses


    For those interested, I advise you to read the link:http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/142487/
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 16 February 2016 22: 24 New
      0
      Read. There about the war in Syria. Why the war will not go on in Turkey, that’s the question.
  29. King, just king
    King, just king 16 February 2016 21: 32 New
    0
    The gun mask in the photo is interesting. Who in the subject, clarify?
  30. Trikolor
    Trikolor 16 February 2016 22: 58 New
    +3
    As soon as the Russian Armed Forces carry out successful operations, they immediately yell for a ceasefire, Chechnya, Ukraine, Syria, but they cannot look at the success of Russia
  31. dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 17 February 2016 00: 24 New
    -1
    Is the t-72m even inferior to Chinese tanks? Why is it not noticeable in the tank biathlon?
  32. dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 17 February 2016 00: 31 New
    +1
    yesterday we watched our film about the liberation of Novorossiysk, there I was especially struck by the phrase of our veteran — we held the defense in the building, we ran out of ammunition, we asked for help from the Il-2 attack aircraft on the walkie-talkie, and from one attack aircraft we did, however, with a second attempt out the window they threw a bag of cartridges, after the first we went down and took away under fire. THE WINDOW SURVIVED A BAG WITH CARTRIDGES FOR THE SUMMER FROM THE STORM-ATTENDANT !!! Now I understand why the Germans were advancing for 3 years, and retreated in a year. This is because experience is gaining ground. and whoever best applies his experience will win. Good luck to the Syrians!
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 18 February 2016 13: 39 New
      0
      Not out the window, into the breach of the roof they threw it. And not only experience. The sniper Rubajo seriously wounded comrades on a raincoat tent were carried from window to window so that he could make a shot. Could the Germans have this?
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  33. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 February 2016 05: 39 New
    0
    Well, they are getting ready and we are getting ready.
    We threw a reconnaissance plane there to catch
    positions of air defense systems and all kinds of radio emissions.
    And I think that soon other innovations will be demonstrated there in practice.
  34. Maksus
    Maksus 17 February 2016 09: 45 New
    +3
    One technical point is not clear to me: how will the Blind protect the tank from cannon shells? What kind of nonsense?
    1. Professor
      Professor 17 February 2016 10: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: Maksus
      One technical point is not clear to me: how will the Blind protect the tank from cannon shells? What kind of nonsense?

      The author assumes that Shtora will detect the radiation of the enemy tank's laser rangefinder and place a smoke screen thereby "protecting the tank from cannon shells."
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      2. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 26 February 2016 23: 21 New
        0
        But what is the use of a range of up to 2500 against the tank, the Shtora is useless. The tank fires the BPS against the tank and given their speeds at a distance of 2500, which is about 1400 m / s, the protected Shtora will have a maximum of 2-2,5 seconds, and given that in modern SLAs have an escort machine, I’m talking about the Merkava-3 tank and higher, I won’t talk about others. And even if the tank doesn’t move it will help much up to 2500 meters. The curtain can be effective against 2-generation ATGMs but not against semi-active laser missiles guidance and with thermal imaging guidance, why due to the guidance algorithm. earlier, with semi-active guidance there could be a breakdown and the rocket self-destructed, those who don’t believe should read S. Suvorov about testing the BMP-3 in the Arabian desert. Now the method of prolongation of the trajectory is used on modern missiles flights with a certain interval and capture logic of a virtually computed target all this dramatically reduces the effectiveness of systems like Stor and thermal smoke grenades. But systems based on laser noise and multifunctional coverings of type Cape sharply increase the chances to a certain threshold.
  35. BEGA2015
    BEGA2015 17 February 2016 10: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: abrakadabre
    Merkel stands for the no-fly zone over Syria

    Madame never made such statements without first consulting the "Washington Regional Committee". This was done on purpose to test Russia's reaction. Madame, as she was the secretary for agitation and propaganda, so she remained. She is fluent in the skills of the former "reserves of the Central Committee of the SED."
  36. iov
    iov 17 February 2016 13: 50 New
    0
    But it seemed strange to me in the article that the distinction between drg and army specialists was too obvious .... by the number of cars .. hmm ... but what if they stupidly did not have enough brains to throw different drgs through different places))) or points , say, in which ways diverge are defined on the territory of the adversary ... And who, said that the people who received this info, meant 12 jeeps at one point .... And still, in principle, there may be army specialists .... and more about materiel .... In many countries, the tasks of the police department are not the same as the police ... not everyone has a sabotage commando like a pennant, the first 10th anniversary of its existence ... In general, who does not agree, explain;)
  37. xoma58
    xoma58 17 February 2016 16: 10 New
    0
    I agree with the author. How well someone said: "it's better to shoot, reload and shoot again than to shine a flashlight and ask - who is there?"
  38. realist
    realist 17 February 2016 18: 57 New
    0
    less talk, especially about plans. done - reported, everything is in order!
  39. adma
    adma 17 February 2016 20: 48 New
    +2
    repairable

    They used to say - repairable ....
  40. complete zero
    complete zero 18 February 2016 09: 08 New
    +1
    yes, of course, there are no real troops there (author’s rights) there is no point in so far introducing combat units, otherwise the West would have already howled))) everything that is there of ours is recognized for providing an air base (but this is still not quite an army))) Well, intelligence (for that and intelligence) spotters-advisers, well maybe air defense officers
  41. DM51
    DM51 18 February 2016 19: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    Erdogan is unpredictable! Now the United States is holding him back a bit, but he understands that he has played too much and needs to do something - either send troops to Turkey or put an end to all his plans to destroy Assad! I think that Erdogan is standing on the banks of the Rubicon ...., already knee-deep in the water!


    Not in water, but in Mr. and soon will drown
  42. Yuuki
    Yuuki 19 February 2016 03: 43 New
    0
    It was high time for Syria to put the T-90.