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Official war with Russia instead of the ATO

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Well, we, in principle, are already accustomed to the fact that Ukraine is good News can not be. Another junta twist, allowing you to laugh openly through tears, has long been sore on all Russians.




And here is the next news. From one of the representatives of Ukraine at the negotiation process in Minsk. There is such a figure, a novel named Immortal.

"Ukraine should officially recognize the existence of the Russian-Ukrainian war in order to get the support of the international community," said Pan Immortal in an interview with the Ukrainian News magazine.

I allow myself to bring a rather large excerpt from his speech. It's worth it. No edit:

“Besides the fact that we can count on help, we need to prepare for a serious and long-term confrontation with Russia. Not as with the opponent - as with the enemy. You should start to call the usual and understandable names everything that happens. Why? Because we have prisoners of war are still illegally held persons, fighting on the front line is an anti-terrorist operation, and the measures taken by the UN are a humanitarian action. Hence the problems of engaging international power components. And only by calling everything by our names can we count on the honesty and openness of the positions of both Europeans and the international community. Only then it will become clear that in the geopolitical sense, the security policy configuration requires serious views and changes on the European continent. Today, it does not stand up to criticism, and if it were not for the North Atlantic bloc, which backs these coordinated European security structures, there would be nothing to talk about. ”

In general, Pan Immortal talked about a lot. About legal components, about moral and ethical sides of conflicts. The fact that the recognition of the conflict in the South-East of Ukraine as a war will help ensure that those responsible for it can be tried by international court for war crimes.

Naturally, all war crimes that, according to the idea of ​​Pan Immortal, will have to rush to investigate the UN and the OSCE, Russia alone is to blame. But precisely in order for Russian war crimes to fall under the jurisdiction of European organizations, it is required that the Ukrainian civil war be recognized as a Ukrainian-Russian conflict.

Here I would like to ask a single question: what does Pan Immortal do in Minsk? Together with Kuchma, Marchuk, Gerashchenko?

It turns out that it betrays precisely those interests for which they are so vehemently advocating. Negotiating with those who are called terrorists. But...

“We need to understand that Ukraine cannot avoid constant and stable preparation for a conflict. This requires very serious changes, starting with the Constitution and ending with doctrines and legislation in the field of national security. Every Ukrainian is after what happened and after what has happened for the last two years old should be able to use weapons. So, we face a whole range of tasks: to change the entire component of general education to serve in the Armed Forces. It is already obvious that we have the status in which Israel is located, and we need to learn how to live with this problem. "

Well, suppose we already heard it somewhere. Total mobilization and everything else. And we also remember the results. Comparing Ukraine with Israel is, of course, something new, a fresh look at the problem. But here, sir Immortal, obviously that ... bust came out.

Today, of course, for the Ukrainian junta, this is probably the last chance for survival - to declare the country a member of a military conflict. This would make it possible to justify much, if not almost everything: the decline in the standard of living, and the collapse of the so-called democratic reforms, and a complete fiasco in the economy. And, of course, significantly limit the opportunities for all the “non-party” of the current president and prime minister. And such, oddly enough, every day becomes more and more. Well, if such a patriot of Ukraine as Lyashko, could not resist ...

But this absolutely does not mean that tomorrow Ukraine will declare war on Russia. Not. Officially declaring to the whole world that Ukraine is at war with Russia is a little different from what the Ukrainian junta needs today.

It is necessary that there, in the West, they recognize that Russia is at war with Ukraine. And this, you see, is not the same thing.

If someone from those who can state such an official really does so, then the collapse of Ukraine, final and irrevocable, will be a matter of a very short period of time. After all, after such a statement will follow what? The closure of borders, the rupture of diplomatic relations, the termination of economic relations.

No coal, no gas, no electricity. No Ukrainian guest workers in Russia. And, which is also quite obvious, no transit of Ukrainian goods through the territory of Russia to Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and China. All these stories about the great Ukrainian way beyond the three seas are the same tale as the Ukrainian fleet. And, accordingly, no transit to Ukraine.

Russian tank divisions? Not funny. They will not be needed absolutely. Everything will fall apart. But the divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will come in handy. First, in order to get all the citizens of Ukraine home from earnings, because we don’t need a fifth column here, and then it’s really possible to close the border, because after a month or two of such a “war” crowds will rush across the border. With shouts "Glory to Russia, glory to Putin."

The junta is well aware that Europe will continue to insist on the implementation of the Minsk agreements, and therefore will not allow the transformation of the so-called ATO into a “war with Russia”. But in Kiev, they are well aware that the emergence of new differences in relations with Russia will force American and European politicians to close their eyes to the freezing of the Donbass conflict.

And it is necessary to freeze. Any way. We have often said that Donbass already has a queue of people wishing to federalize and live with their mind and happiness.

So behind all these statements there is still only one thing: the desire to survive, to stretch for some time and, of course, to get more money from the IMF. Moreover, it is desirable that the Europeans give the money themselves. Penetrating the situation, so to speak.

Here, by the way, this question arises: and, in fact, until?

Because it is already ridiculous: the leaders of Ukraine at every corner shout that they are at war with Russia, and Russia pretends not to notice the war, which has long been declared to it at a quite official level. At least, officials like the president, the prime minister, ministers and deputies.

It seems to me that it is already high time publicly and officially, at the level of the note of the Foreign Ministry, to request Ukraine on this topic. Does Ukraine consider itself at war with Russia?

And this question should not be asked in Twitter or Facebook, but in more significant places, including in the UN Security Council.

In any case, Russia receives a direct benefit from this step. Either the junta stops speculation on the "Russian aggression" and the "Russian-Ukrainian war", or Russia receives an official declaration of war by Ukraine. And acts accordingly in any case. And then somehow ugly out.

Tanks in Kiev a week later, as Putin once remarked, is real. But no less real are the steps that I suggested above. Without tanks and shooting.

In any case, it's time for the bear to wake up and ask the hog on this topic. It is necessary to answer for the market, as the Russian proverb says.
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  1. Barboskin
    Barboskin 16 February 2016 06: 11
    +3
    In principle, all these are legal formalities; in fact, we are already moving towards this. The latest example is the ban on the passage of trucks. And before that, there was much more. Gas transit is for Europe. By blocking it, we will lose the market, which may not be immediately taken by others. Therefore, we clearly do not need a war with a complete rejection of relations.
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 16 February 2016 06: 27
      25
      They would have thought what would happen to them if we got down to business ... Let them study the situation in Syria well ...
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 16 February 2016 08: 37
        68
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        They would have thought what would happen to them if we got down to business ... Let them study the situation in Syria well ...

        What will be, what will be. They will declare war on Russia, in 2 hours they will surrender, so that Russia will feed them as prisoners of war. The cunning plan of Ukrainians.
        1. 2С5
          2С5 16 February 2016 14: 34
          +7
          ...that's right! Also, from geyropa, they will invite all relatives back to ...
        2. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 16 February 2016 15: 15
          +1
          such a plan may not work, because a prisoner of war is a MILITARY SERVANT of a foreign state, and there are only 200 thousand of them in Hohland, and you can not send them to camps, but let them go home.
        3. ankir13
          ankir13 16 February 2016 18: 50
          10
          Yes, they are so-so, in the photo - well-fed. Obviously not one in need. Guys blood with milk. And kind of brave. Know what a pound of fat is. Here we need to look deeper into the trend. Ukrainian brothers want independence, permissiveness of omnidirectionality. But on complementary foods. Not Russian brothers. And while there is no way, the economy is falling apart on its own, horses are not harnessed, boys are not drunk, so everyday life in 25 years is not free from Russia. Give me a little money ...
        4. Weyland
          Weyland 16 February 2016 22: 25
          +2
          Quote: Koshak
          after 2 hours they will surrender to Russia feeding them as prisoners of war


          Yeah ... Few people know that our valiant allies right after the war starved some million German prisoners - because after signing surrender Germany they automatically lost the status of prisoners of warand, therefore, the protection of the Hague Convention ...
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        6. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 18 February 2016 12: 38
          +1
          Quote: Koshak
          after 2 hours they will surrender to Russia feeding them as prisoners of war. The cunning plan of Ukrainians.

          On the main page, your koment saw, laughed like a horse. I went to the tape to testify my respect and thank you for the good mood hi laughing
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 16 February 2016 11: 42
        +4
        An example here is to study not Syria, but Georgia and Crimea.
      3. max702
        max702 16 February 2016 13: 39
        16
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        They would have thought what would happen to them if we got down to business ...

        They dream of surrendering so as to sit on our neck as before! Well, with the fact that the muzzles will be filled and the women will re..yut the thing is familiar and familiar from time immemorial .. What do they not know us, or what? Understand and forgive, feed and heat .. You look at how the adventure for Georgians ended on 08.08.08? Yes, just great! Borjomi and Vinishche appeared in stores in Russia, which was not before the conflict .. Someone was brought to trial? Who was hanged for war crimes? Or did Georgia pay indemnity for everything that was destroyed? No! Russia has restored everything at the expense of its budget .. So the Khokhlops dream of the same thing, they did not pass the canoe with autonomy threw the American American, well, we’ll lie under another ..
      4. Simon
        Simon 16 February 2016 18: 31
        0
        So they know that we will not start a war, especially after Syria, they feel what will happen to them. The main thing for them is to start and shout to the whole world. As the saying goes: "The dog barks, but the caravan moves on!" request
        1. vladstro
          vladstro 18 February 2016 18: 08
          +4
          We won’t start wars, that's for sure, but something needs to be done differentlyif this poison, all this malice will continue to multiply on the outskirts
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 16 February 2016 07: 28
      20
      To acknowledge ... To acknowledge is to declare war. If you follow international law in this area, it means a lot of things (I read, clarified), and in this case, not at all in favor of the declarer (aggressor). It’s not for nothing that they’ve already been given twice, not that they declare war, even introduce martial law. There are so many formalities ...
      Yes, and what will happen to them if we honestly blow? We don’t give a dozen machine guns to the militias, but we’ll really give away ..? They will completely untie our hands, even if they simply announce, without any action.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 16 February 2016 08: 24
        15
        Quote: Observer 33
        If you follow international law in this area, it means a lot of things (I read, clarified), and in this case, not at all in favor of the declarer (aggressor).

        So this ... The Verkhovna Rada, a year ago, recognized Russia as an "aggressor country". Plus, at the level of regional legislative assemblies, resolutions were issued with the same wording, in relation to the Russian Federation (in my opinion, only Zaporozhye still resists) - they were duplicated, so to speak. In general, an interesting legal conflict - there is a state carrying out armed aggression against Ukraine, but there is no war with it. But khokhlov rules of law and laws of logic are not written smile
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 16 February 2016 11: 44
          +1
          Such collisions ... With Japan, we are still kind of at war. Two Koreas are another example.
        2. ochakow703
          ochakow703 18 February 2016 06: 35
          +4
          I think this is the point. We, in VO, more often compare the problem of the statehood of Ukraine with a joke. And their entire ruling elite are the main characters of these Hochma. Actually, our leadership is approximately the same with powder, eggs and generally glad. Well, they do not perceive them as real, responsible figures. And it is true. Although questions need to be asked after each such attack, and ask at the global level, not social networks. And to seek an official explanation and confirmation of what has been said. And it turns out they are fighting with Russia, the whole world believes in it, and we are silent ... for the inhabitants of the world this silence is our agreement with their chatter.
      2. Warm Padded Jacket
        Warm Padded Jacket 16 February 2016 08: 40
        +6
        to admit that they will recognize, but to declare war it will be ssykat, it will be the beginning of the end of the junta.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 17 February 2016 00: 39
          +2
          The beginning of the end of the junta was still on the Maidan. They just did not understand what it would lead to. And what about it’s absurd to declare war on Russia, as they have already declared a long time ago, they only hope to sit out with their foreign citizenship far abroad. It is not a secret for anyone that the entire ruling elite in Ukraine has a double or even triple citizenship. Although it is forbidden by the "constitution of ukrainy", we all see how they relate to the laws on the square.
    3. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 16 February 2016 15: 11
      +3
      the gas market will not be lost - Nord Stream 1 is only 50% full, Germany will distribute it, which means goodbye to transit money in Poland, an acceleration of SP-2 will probably be a plus.
      and Ukrainians should be asked. and it’s already 2 years in all squares they have been shouting about a war with Russia, but they don’t declare a war, it’s commonplace, yes. negative
    4. lex locis
      lex locis 16 February 2016 15: 13
      +3
      Quote: Barboskin
      gas ranger is for Europe. By blocking it, we will lose the market, which may not be immediately taken by others.


      All in all, Nord Stream will start operating at full capacity + Second line .....
      The market will remain, because no one to occupy him. Soon, on the contrary, they will run and look for where to snatch. Gas is still a non-renewable resource. And all solar and other projects are still economically inefficient.
    5. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 16 February 2016 15: 47
      +2
      Quote: Barboskin
      Gas transit is for Europe. By blocking it, we will lose the market, which may not be immediately taken by others

      let the Nord Stream go to its fullest and ... the whole problem. today this flow is used by ... 47%, so, as you understand it, this is not an argument to look back at. but the fact that it’s time to apply harsh measures to the outskirts is that you don’t need to go to grandma! how our long-range battles in Hohland feel, I think you can imagine without Tiwi!
    6. Alekseev
      Alekseev 16 February 2016 16: 55
      +2
      Quote: Barboskin
      Gas transit is for Europe. By blocking it, we will lose the market

      We do not lose the sales market in Europe due to the fact that it is more profitable to buy our gas. It would be different, no one would buy it. But we do not need to close the transit. Need to completely abandon him yes and sell gas at the border. And the transit risks with Ukraine may be borne by the kissing banderlogs in ... European commissioners.
      1. TiRex
        TiRex 18 February 2016 19: 26
        +1
        They were offered this many times, they did not agree, agreed only to check the meter at the entrance to Ukraine.
    7. siberalt
      siberalt 16 February 2016 21: 24
      +1
      Latest news from Ukraine. Prosecutor Shokhin resigned. In the Rada, the majority (247 deputies) voted for the resignation of the rabbit. But for some reason he remained. The situation is heating up.
    8. kotvov
      kotvov 18 February 2016 11: 51
      +1
      . Therefore, we clearly do not need a war with a complete rejection of relations. ,,
      interestingly it turns out, YOU are not needed, and the ruling clique of Ukraine is not needed. Is this a coincidence or think the same way?
  2. samarin1969
    samarin1969 16 February 2016 06: 33
    14
    "It's time for the bear to wake up and ask the hog about this. You have to answer for the market, as the Russian proverb says."
    Unfortunately, the bears have been in hibernation for two years ... not counting one impostor namesake "...
    Only now, two years later, the Kremlin’s position is acquiring some stiffness ...
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 February 2016 09: 48
      10
      Quote: samarin1969
      “It's time for the bear to wake up and ask the hog about this topic. You have to answer for the bazaar, as the Russian proverb says.” Unfortunately, bears have been dormant for two years ...

      The bear is just gaining strength. He eats, gets up and breaks - it's not his style to hooligan.
  3. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 16 February 2016 06: 37
    15
    They owe the whole world that they gave money - they plundered, Europe isn’t up to them. fool while the Poles
    Five billion case
    The Polish organization is seeking a return of property in Ukraine.

    In the near future, claims will be filed in the courts of Kiev and Lutsk for the return of the property of Poles who lived on Ukrainian territory before the start of World War II. In total, 600 packages of documents were collected for appeal to the judicial authorities. This was announced by the head of the public organization "Restitution of Kresov" Konrad Renkas.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 16 February 2016 15: 19
      0
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      In the near future, claims will be filed in the courts of Kiev and Lutsk for the return of the property of Poles who lived on Ukrainian territory before the start of World War II. In total, 600 packages of documents were collected for appeal to the judicial authorities. This was announced by the head of the public organization "Restitution of Kresov" Konrad Renkas.

      It seems to me that Ukrainians will commit a feint with their ears - they will say that the property was taken away by the USSR, the assignee of the USSR is the Russian Federation, lawsuits against it, and we are not in business.
  4. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 16 February 2016 06: 43
    +7
    You look at these anti-intellectual faces in the photo and are glad that they don’t have nuclear weapons, so far no ...
  5. salad
    salad 16 February 2016 06: 48
    +5
    To a protracted war? UkroPeteks completely off the coils))))
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 16 February 2016 07: 17
      +5
      They do not need a protracted war. There are two options: to crow, declare war on Mordor and wait for help from the West (of course, in vain), after which calmly crawl towards the cemetery, since there will be EVERYTHING; the second option is to give up in about ten minutes, and then let mos.kali restore everything in a new way, as it was already more than once. Svidomo come to their senses, and then again begin to sing old songs.
      We absolutely do not need both options.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 16 February 2016 11: 47
        +6
        The second option would be very suitable for us. Only in order to prevent similar repetitions in the future is disbanding as a single subject and entering all areas as ordinary areas.
        Well, to restore ... It would be difficult, yes. But not in the first. And your burden does not pull.
        They and their sponsors are especially afraid of this.
        For Svidomo-a tribunal.
  6. shinobi
    shinobi 16 February 2016 06: 50
    +9
    He’s not a friend at all. Suppose! Suppose they declared, and Europe recognized war. And what? In 2008 there was a generally recognized war with Georgia. And nothing! A single rush of anger and general support of the tie-eater. In words. In fact, they shied away as from the leper. We rotated and that's it. So sit like lad quietly, don’t be dashing. For a ruin, this alignment is tantamount to a control in the head.
  7. Hubun
    Hubun 16 February 2016 06: 53
    +8
    He really considers himself immortal or something
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 16 February 2016 15: 21
      0
      Kashchei? and where is gold ???
  8. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 16 February 2016 07: 00
    +4
    Quote: Hubun
    He really considers himself immortal or something

    fix ........ the deadly thing is that she’s in the egg))))))) I’m allegorical - we’ll take an egg for him ....... in gloves so as not to get dirty))))
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 16 February 2016 11: 49
      +1
      What else, grab it. Only mess. It’s enough to shoot.
  9. Minstrel
    Minstrel 16 February 2016 07: 03
    12
    for the Ukrainian junta, this is probably the last chance for survival - to declare the country a participant in the military conflict. This would justify much, if not almost all: the decline in living standards, the collapse of the so-called democratic reforms, and the complete fiasco in the economy. And of course, significantly limit the opportunities for all non-supporters of the current president


    So Makar and Lukashenko will soon declare war on Russia. If it’s a secret for anyone, then in Belarus today all of the above problems are present: a significant drop in living standards, not just collapse — but the absence of any reforms whatsoever, and yes — a complete fiasco in the economy. Believe me, do not believe it, but we are so overburdened and pressured by rising prices that it becomes scary. Well, here he has a ready-made solution - the enemy (and all the fault) Russia. Moreover, he is not the first to blame the Russian Federation for his troubles. This has already happened more than once, is not it?
    You say - I'm fantasizing? Who else, just two years ago, could have believed that the West and the Center of Ukraine would try to "cut out" the inhabitants of the East; and some kind of, sorry, little baby girl - will howl with a fanatical gleam in his eyes: "We will never be brothers", and the crowd of 404 residents will applaud her intensely?
    As the saying goes: never say never ... sad
    PS And yes - ardent defenders and admirers of Luke, not living in Belarustrying to challenge my comment, you will now try to argue about the taste of pineapple with the one who ate it. hi
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 16 February 2016 17: 36
      +2
      "But father", yes, he always keeps his nose in the wind. I don’t think it’s a bad quality, but any scenario is possible. With such and such "political flexibility"
  10. CONTROL
    CONTROL 16 February 2016 07: 04
    +2
    ... And - the traditional one (!!!) minus the article! who would it be from the morning?
    ... ah, this is who! Well, quite expected! ...
    ____________
    And so, in general - where is the "peremoga"? Or are they extremely mired in "zrada"?
    ... By the way, it is interesting to recall the Russian-Chechen wars - there, after all, the Ukrainian military registration and enlistment offices officially (!!!) recruited mercenaries in Chechnya - to fight with Russia! and the documents - orders, all kinds of circulars there, reports on financing from the state budget and te te - go and go? ...
    ... So when, say, the war with Russia began? two years ago? ...
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  11. parusnik
    parusnik 16 February 2016 07: 18
    +4
    ... Ukrainian leaders on every corner scream that they are at war with Russiaand Russia doesn’t come to war ..
    - Do you see the gopher? ..
    - Not...
    - And I do not see ... But he is!
    - Clear...
  12. c3r
    c3r 16 February 2016 07: 22
    20
    The country of Duremaria, there are no fools specifically Duremar, they have a barrel of gunpowder burning under their ass, and they are trying to beat neighbors with a fire extinguisher. They, duremars, Russia pay with living money for the transit of gas, cargo, water and electricity to the Crimea, pays them to gastrobeiters, and Khokhlosaurs themselves shit in their own pocket. As they were greedy, always asking and stupid (for the most part) national outskirts, they stayed!
    1. Valery 1966
      Valery 1966 16 February 2016 17: 04
      +2
      Eastern Ukraine on Russian orders from the military industrial complex had $ 2 billion and 620 enterprises worked and everyone was paid a salary. And now, by order from the United States, they are all stopped.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 February 2016 07: 25
    +6
    Sometimes it seems that Ukrainian speaking heads themselves want everything to end faster for Ukraine. They understand that the West is tired of listening to their eternal lamentations and pleas for money. It is becoming increasingly difficult to talk about Russian aggression in the absence of Russian troops. Therefore, they are ready to go to a stupid extreme for themselves if only they would pay attention to them once again. And to officially declare war on Russia - the gut is thin, then you will have to answer for your words to the fullest.
    1. aba
      aba 16 February 2016 08: 27
      +1
      what ukrainian speaking heads

      Then is it worth discussing what these heads say ?! wink
  14. magician
    magician 16 February 2016 07: 28
    +2
    this pan urgently forced ventilation of the brain!
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist 16 February 2016 21: 46
      0
      Glory to the pan Immortal-new thinker of Ukrainian military science.
      1. c3r
        c3r 16 February 2016 22: 06
        0
        Glory to the founder of the new trend in military thought "Science subsera..t"!
  15. Homeland
    Homeland 16 February 2016 07: 31
    +2
    Top senility request
  16. Supervodka
    Supervodka 16 February 2016 07: 34
    -19 qualifying.
    The article is complete nonsense, which is impossible to even comment on. The author has brains, but in a hard zombie shell it is very difficult to get out (the probability of enlightenment is very small). And about "it's time for the bear to wake up," guys, it's not even funny anymore, your bear is lying down.
    1. Dead hand
      Dead hand 16 February 2016 08: 30
      +7
      Yes, most likely you have a shot through MOTS ..... Shit in Ukraine.
      1. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 18 February 2016 07: 18
        0
        Quote: Dead Hand
        Yes, most likely you have a shot through MOTS ..... Shit in Ukraine.


        Why do ukrotrolls get banned so quickly ??? After all, hunting chuckles, it does not honestly ... fellow
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 16 February 2016 09: 17
      +5
      Quote: SuperVodka
      already not even funny, your bear shot down lies

      And your boar is already refreshed and gutted, it remains only to fry - and is ready for use. Well, this is only a matter of short time. Interested international fork eaters picked up and tied napkins, awaiting the final preparation of such a tidbit.
      Heroam Sala!
      1. Supervodka
        Supervodka 16 February 2016 10: 30
        -6
        You told this fairy tale about how the West will gobble up someone there to all former members of the ATS and the USSR when you joined the EU and NATO. But in fact, a fairy tale, no more. People want to live normally, develop technologically and culturally. Russia does not exist, it is necessary to fight with someone, set a goal and throw millions of lives there, this is a class. The whole Donbass already hates you, they have flooded Donetsk with some bandits, robbing and squeezing property. Speak to the Ukrainian army, it’s getting home, look how you completely demolished Grozny.
        1. alean245
          alean245 16 February 2016 12: 11
          +1
          You told this fairy tale about how the West will gobble up someone there to all former members of the ATS and the USSR when you joined the EU and NATO. But in fact, a fairy tale, no more. People want to live normally, develop technologically and culturally.

          Well, do you have technological and cultural development in full swing there? Do you live better than before?
          Russia does not exist, it is necessary to fight with someone, set a goal and throw millions of lives there, this is a class. The whole Donbass already hates you, they have flooded Donetsk with some bandits, robbing and squeezing property.

          Who hates whom in the Donbass is a moot point. Russia did not equal Lugansk and Donetsk with artillery, instead of solving the problem diplomatically. Once again, who wants to fight there?
          Speak to the Ukrainian army, it’s getting home, look how you completely demolished Grozny.

          But you do not compare Chechnya and Donbass. The main requirement of the Donbass was initially federalization without secession from Ukraine. And, by the way, Chechnya gained independence in due time. Well, then there were Dagestan and the blown up houses in Russia ... And now compare Grozny in the nineties and Grozny now.
    3. Roman 57 rus
      Roman 57 rus 16 February 2016 09: 34
      +3
      Goofy! Svidomo! I want to ask you how Europe is doing there, who are there more now: homosexuals or bearded refugees?
      1. Supervodka
        Supervodka 16 February 2016 11: 06
        -3
        Roma, just horror, refugees, homosexuals, it's just impossible to live. Is it the case in Syzran, or in Saranks, the whole of Paris wants to move there.
        1. activator
          activator 16 February 2016 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: SuperVodka
          Roma, just horror, refugees, homosexuals, it's just impossible to live. Is it the case in Syzran, or in Saranks, the whole of Paris wants to move there.

          Have you ever been there in Syzran or Saransk? Of course, it is not honey everywhere in Russia, but on average the life in the country is better than ours. Salaries higher than ours for food products may be the same, but slightly more expensive, but medicines are two and a half times cheaper than ours. For half a year in Russia aggressive people I met two people, unlike our mass anti-Russian psychosis. Freedom is of course good, only now people go to the bazaar like a museum. it’s not visible to the street at all. Take the Novoyasenevsky bus station from where the buses go to Ukraine; migrant workers are full of cops for Klondike; take anyone and shake your grandmother if there are no documents, but I haven’t seen cops on him. only security is strange huh? Well, what is happening now in Ukraine, blame only yourself would be less Maidan and Ukraine would be whole. After each Maidan, it only got worse and this is a fact.
    4. curl
      curl 16 February 2016 10: 07
      +3
      NU-NU, and if so
      1. Supervodka
        Supervodka 16 February 2016 10: 36
        -6
        This is the solution to any issue for Russia, as you showed. My grandfather is also like that. Once I started telling me that there are punishers all around and impose their language, ideology, Catholic faith, and even a lot of things and force. I say, well, grandfather, what are you talking about? Well, look, well, who is imposing us, what punitive? I speak Russian, I want something and I say, I argue. No one kills anyone for language and does not dismember. No punitive in the city does not travel with a swastika. It feels like he was looking up. TV, but did not pay attention to life.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 16 February 2016 10: 50
          +1
          Quote: SuperVodka
          It feels like he was looking up. TV, but did not pay attention to life.

          In fairness: there are enough victims of blunt propaganda on both sides. Our patriots, constantly chewing on the "bear" metaphor, do not even imagine how ridiculous they look from the outside. The same applies to your victims of pregnancy. And all claim to the truth, even without touching it. Here's what's funny.
          1. Supervodka
            Supervodka 16 February 2016 11: 02
            -4
            But we, the citizens of Ukraine, have no hope that the country will rule the world. But the inhabitants of the Russian Federation, this idea of ​​superpower is so intoxicating that it interferes with a sober mind.
            1. Zeppelin ml.
              Zeppelin ml. 16 February 2016 11: 49
              0
              Quote: SuperVodka
              But we, the citizens of Ukraine, have no hope that the country will rule the world.

              Well, in fact, you have no grounds for such hopes. To do this, you need to represent at least something of yourself. That is why UA prefers the role of "passive".
              Quote: SuperVodka
              But the inhabitants of the Russian Federation, this idea of ​​superpower is so intoxicating that it interferes with a sober mind.

              it's silly to argue that this is present. Imperialism, you know, is hard to damage. But we are not alone - the British still think of themselves as an empire. By the way, the Ottomans too. Well, at least there is a historical reason. What about the xoxlov? Just don’t quote Bebik, don’t ...
        2. JonnyT
          JonnyT 16 February 2016 10: 52
          +2
          fairy tales of the Viennese forest do not need to be hung)))) Here people are aware of the situation not through TV and the Internet ....... like a pot, it’s better to hammer in potatoes and pickles .... hoholodomor is not far off
          1. Supervodka
            Supervodka 16 February 2016 10: 58
            -2
            Oh yes. Forgot, a resident of Ukraine paid me, but you are aware. Right
          2. Supervodka
            Supervodka 16 February 2016 11: 33
            -2
            And why is this "hohlodomor" just around the corner? We trade with the world, we did not trade in oil because of the fall in prices only in positive territory. They would be worried about themselves and at least they would lead a light to the Crimea.
            1. Zeppelin ml.
              Zeppelin ml. 16 February 2016 11: 52
              +1
              Quote: SuperVodka
              They would be worried for themselves and in the Crimea they would at least conduct light.

              we’ll worry and spend.
            2. JonnyT
              JonnyT 16 February 2016 12: 17
              +1
              I’m trading, I don’t argue, but 40% less than at the Yanyka ....... you wouldn’t worry about the light in the Crimea, but you thought for your communal apartment, you’d probably pay 1500 gr per month .... March 1 again increase + taxes on cars and apartments ..... Z / P is also growing so ??
      2. Homo
        Homo 16 February 2016 11: 36
        0
        A good direct-fire shooting toy! soldier
  17. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 16 February 2016 07: 41
    +7
    “You should start to use friendly names for everything that happens.”
    Correctly. So say: “We, a zombie herd, wandering into a geyropa, but caught in w ..., under the leadership of drunkards and all our corrupt pack ... hereinafter.

    “No coal, no gas, no electricity. No Ukrainian guest workers in Russia. And, which is also very obvious, no transit of Ukrainian goods through the territory of Russia ”
    But it’s time for a long time!
    Hey, where are you, power, government! How long can Russia tolerate these idiots?
  18. mamont5
    mamont5 16 February 2016 07: 52
    +8
    Quote: samarin1969
    "It's time for the bear to wake up and ask the hog about this. You have to answer for the market, as the Russian proverb says."
    Unfortunately, the bears have been in hibernation for two years ... not counting one impostor namesake "...
    Only now, two years later, the Kremlin’s position is acquiring some stiffness ...

    Declaring war, sending troops to Ukraine and winning is not a problem, but ... all the "dogs" will be hanged on us (it's okay, no getting used to), and most importantly, we will have to take on the building (and feeding) of the new state (or republics within the Russian Federation). Do we need it? ..
  19. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 16 February 2016 07: 54
    +5
    Quote: SuperVodka
    The article is complete nonsense, which is impossible to even comment on. The author has brains, but in a hard zombie shell it is very difficult to get out (the probability of enlightenment is very small). And about "it's time for the bear to wake up," guys, it's not even funny anymore, your bear is lying down.

    And you take it and come closer to the "shot" (really you?) Bear. Ali's gut?
  20. Onotollah
    Onotollah 16 February 2016 08: 09
    +2
    "Either Russia receives an official declaration of war from Ukraine. And acts accordingly in any scenario. Otherwise, it somehow turns out ugly."
    Dear Roman, if suddenly an adult is an unwise person or a child (I don’t know with whom it is more correct to compare the patient described in the article), let’s spit, then a citizen, if he is in his right mind, should not fight him at all. then, feed, keep, take care. Yes and in general, it is not for an adult.
    If you really need to take the candy away from the poor and wretched, then there are more other methods for this.
    There is an opinion that our democratic and Euro-integrated neighbors need someone to hang their problems on, someone who will pay for a banquet in a madhouse and give pennies. And here you recommend on a horse and in white clothes. Can we wait a bit?
  21. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 16 February 2016 08: 12
    +3
    Only one thing will save Ukraine. She must declare war on Russia and immediately surrender. Otherwise, the geyropa will not let her out of her claws.
  22. Bassoon
    Bassoon 16 February 2016 08: 21
    +2
    The UN Security Council has long shown its worthlessness. Gaddafi was right when he broke the charter of this pseudo-organization.
  23. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 16 February 2016 08: 29
    +1
    It seems to me that it is already high time publicly and officially, at the level of the note of the Foreign Ministry, to request Ukraine on this topic. Does Ukraine consider itself at war with Russia?

    And this question should not be asked in Twitter or Facebook, but in more significant places, including in the UN Security Council.

    In any case, Russia receives a direct benefit from this step. Either the junta stops speculation on the "Russian aggression" and the "Russian-Ukrainian war", or Russia receives an official declaration of war by Ukraine. And acts accordingly in any case. And then somehow ugly out.

    Tanks in Kiev a week later, as Putin once remarked, is real. But no less real are the steps that I suggested above. Without tanks and shooting.

    In any case, it's time for the bear to wake up and ask the hog on this topic. It is necessary to answer for the market, as the Russian proverb says.


    I absolutely agree with the author!
    It's time to take a tough stance on this issue!
  24. Scud
    Scud 16 February 2016 08: 31
    +6
    Hey super visible! The march izadavo to his stable, or to the geyropu where they are waiting for you will not wait.
  25. Riv
    Riv 16 February 2016 08: 34
    +2
    I don’t understand: is it a topvar, or a messenger of a madhouse? And so at work there are a lot of problems, and here they talk about the delirium of a sick person ...
  26. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 16 February 2016 08: 46
    0
    This is a bastard, do not! Well, we’ll just stop at the English Channel!
  27. Gray 43
    Gray 43 16 February 2016 09: 02
    +1
    What we do not need is the declaration of war — then feed them, and the Balts will declare war that they would return home to the Soviet Union, where they all lived much better than Russia itself.
  28. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 16 February 2016 09: 06
    +1
    The topic is interesting, and it seems to me such a question The outskirts of the UN session need to be asked, correctly formulated without collateral interpretations and possible discrepancies. Look at the reaction (the answer of the Junta), take appropriate measures according to the fact (answer) - first of all, those that will protect the borders, stop trade and transit through the territory of the Outskirts, return them (it can also be done to guest workers in freight wagons). I think after this, it will not come to the fighting, and then look and wait.
  29. de naturat
    de naturat 16 February 2016 09: 23
    +2
    Another name would be more suitable for an immortal, for example, without a brain.
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  31. Belousov
    Belousov 16 February 2016 09: 28
    +1
    Come on, they will answer directly. All these cries from the series "Keep me seven, otherwise I will ..." But really stop accepting guest workers - that's a matter. It is definitely necessary to stop the transit of goods through the territory of Russia, especially after their lawlessness with our trucks.
  32. Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 16 February 2016 10: 03
    0
    nothing new. This is generally akin to messianism: at first the Hohls themselves believed in delirium composed by iDiots like Bebik, and now, when it has become a national religion, they try to impose it on the rest. I don’t understand one thing - well, and what’s simpler — declare war on Russia officially, with notes and other procedures. Then we'll talk.
  33. Served once
    Served once 16 February 2016 11: 49
    +1
    Quote: SuperVodka
    Oh yes. Forgot, a resident of Ukraine paid me, but you are aware. Right

    Dear resident of Ukraine. You have mixed up the site, you are on the censor.
  34. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 16 February 2016 12: 09
    +3
    I liked this comment from "Svidomo Peremog Warehouse":
    Vladislav Mikhailikov
    February 14, 2016, 11:44:11 UTC
    I sincerely hope that they will be able to declare war, which they have been talking about for so long. Call Zurabov and hand him a note, break the dip. relationship and suspend contracts. How much can you listen to this rebellious nonsense. It sometimes seems to me that if someone from the Russian delegation publicly rubs out Poroshenko, they will not declare war anyway, they will only write a million comments in the face book.

    It seems that this is the essence of all their attempts.
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 17 February 2016 17: 27
      0
      They generally keep silent for Poroshenko, because in their delirium: the first enemies -, the second - the leadership of their country. To write that the bad ones will not beat the bad powder, because it’s completely incomprehensible whether it’s a zrad or overpower, and philosophizing in the Ukrainian language is not vicious.
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  36. iouris
    iouris 16 February 2016 13: 21
    0
    Ukraine has long had no subjectivity, so in the short term, you can expect anything from there. But in fact, everyone hopes for Moscow. We must wait until the fruit ripens and falls.
  37. Mercenary
    Mercenary 16 February 2016 14: 38
    0
    "It's time for the bear to wake up and ask the hog about this. You have to answer for the market, as the Russian proverb says."
    It’s very well-mannered on the part of the author to call a simple PIG a hog, straight-striped and cute piglets in the forests near Chernobyl!
  38. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 February 2016 14: 42
    0
    As I have suggested more than once,
    each article about the current state of affairs in Ukraine needs to be added
    "And this is all because everything is allowed in Ukraine."
    After all, they really have a holiday of disobedience and permissiveness,
    if it is directed against Russia.
    So we sit and look ...
    I think that our wagons still oh how the Ukrainians will fall in love.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 16 February 2016 16: 09
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      So we sit and look ...

      and also: wave and smile ...? fool
      Or maybe just take it and give it to the face? Do not introduce troops, but block oxygen and coal? or the benefit of our money bags above the status of sovereign? and in the end how much you can wipe your feet about us ?! It's a shame, hear ... belay
  39. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 16 February 2016 15: 03
    +1
    The Khuntai stupidly came up with another way to dissolve the "stupid old EU" for free money. They themselves are not going to fight, as in the Crimea, for example, they piled quietly without a fight. But under the "war with Russia" you can ask for good money, because poroshenko is no longer served for tearful tantrums ...
  40. Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 16 February 2016 17: 00
    0
    Ukraine is trying to wake the bear, then fearing to shoot itself in the leg and pretend to be wounded.
  41. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 16 February 2016 20: 20
    0
    Yes, what tanks are there!
  42. gammipapa
    gammipapa 16 February 2016 20: 51
    +1
    One boy also shouted all the time - wolves, wolves ... let them boil longer in their own sauce.

    Here’s a very worthy video Semin riveted, informatively, it is worth a full look.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 16 February 2016 23: 14
      +2
      Well, and tv.a.r.b. but this red-haired su.k.a! It looks like all the redheads in Russia are the FIRST ENEMIES! And where do the REAL ENEMIES OF THEIR (?) Country come from? And why NOBODY exterminates them, at least morally?
  43. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 16 February 2016 23: 07
    +1
    The article is good, but in Russia there IS SOMEONE to do international affairs! The Russian Foreign Ministry has already become a parable of its toothlessness and impotence. The Foreign Ministry initiates the simplest notes and questions ONLY AFTER a kick from the president or, at worst, from the prime minister not mentioned in the evening ... So that the article is the voice of the incompetence of the incompetent crap in the desert ...
  44. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 17 February 2016 00: 26
    0
    I agree with the author, let Kiev officially declare to the UN that it is fighting with Russia. Otherwise, you will not force them to stop lying and the West will face the fact that there is no war and Kiev is breaching. Everyone who is not too lazy is unfoundedly blaming and demanding from Russia, and they don’t bear any responsibility for the bazaar, but this is not good.
  45. Kir1984
    Kir1984 17 February 2016 07: 58
    0
    First, the GDP will deal with the barmalei, and then will deal with these pigs
  46. hobot
    hobot 17 February 2016 08: 02
    +1
    So it’s so-only people are sorry.
    70 years in one formation.
    America's culprits do not hide this, but the sense of gulkin ..., well, you yourself understand how little sense.
    We have not risen even to those heights to twist them into a ram's horn.
    In the meantime, we’ll not twist it - it will be in the post-Soviet space of 14 states, and each one can inject maidan when infusing dough and special intelligence equipment.
    And nowhere are those who sold to the amers in the 90s.
    When the operation in the Crimea was carried out, how many times did our ships turn back?
    And only the direct control of the president put everything in its place.
    Only the president over the past two years has aged 20 years. Who in the future will replace him and will he be able to work for the good of Russia for days?
    1. iouris
      iouris 17 February 2016 18: 48
      0
      Quote: hobot
      So it’s so-only people are sorry.
      70 years in one formation.

      Quote
      The people must survive and stand up again (and this is a two-way process).
  47. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 17 February 2016 08: 39
    0
    Looks like. is the guy really like Kashchei - the Immortal? And his testicles are cast iron, like his brains? Truly "Pans are fighting, but the forelocks of slaves are cracking"! "Pan Immortal"? Pan is propane! will the EU (Germany) risk Russian propane for the sake of "Pan"? Moreover, when the need for sanctions disappears, German business will present grandmother Merkel with invoices for their losses, and at the same time ask: “Why did YOU, Frau or Fraulen Merkel, give our tax deductions to the war with Russia, friendly to us, to the Ukronazis? ... so now pay for our losses from your political adventures! " And the damn grandmother will immediately be blown away - where does Merkel get 1945 billion euros of compensation - indemnity "for the Ukrainian-Russian war" ?! It is even strange that the German opposition and business do not ask such questions, although at breakfast with the LADIES one of the Germans (it seems BASF) tried to "push" something similar! But in France, such questions are already being asked - both by business (Total) and the opposition (Sarkozy, Lepen). And Fabius in the neck, and the prime minister is now glad to meet with LADIES and VVP? Soon others will "sing" differently our "Victory Day"! And what about the yak, Panov?
  48. 77_78
    77_78 17 February 2016 14: 43
    0
    "... it's time for the bear to wake up and ask the hog ..." As for me, in the article above today (about a goat and a tiger) there was a more figurative comparison, and the situation with a hint
  49. Rock616
    Rock616 17 February 2016 14: 46
    +2
    Ato Station Suitcase, Wooden Mac wink
  50. Rock616
    Rock616 17 February 2016 14: 48
    0
    Well, if it’s possible to become a fag in the boiler wassat
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 18 February 2016 12: 33
      0
      in my opinion he does not regret what happened judging by his physiognomy and T-shirt.