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Multi-purpose chassis KAMAZ-53958 "Tornado"

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Currently, in order to develop the fleet of automotive and special equipment of the armed forces, several new projects are being developed. The most important element of the new program is the Tornado projects, in which promising wheeled chassis with high load-carrying characteristics are being created. The main contractors for the new program are the KamAZ and Ural automobile plants. Using their experience and current experience, these enterprises are currently creating their own versions of multipurpose vehicles for the army.


The Kama Automobile Plant is creating the KAMAZ-53958 project, also known under the designation KAMAZ-6560М, as part of the Tornado program. The goal of this project is to create a universal multi-purpose chassis with high mobility and carrying capacity. In accordance with the terms of reference, a four-wheel drive four-wheel drive chassis in the future should be the basis for military equipment for various purposes. The new chassis will be equipped with equipment to carry cargo, as well as be able to become the basis for various types of combat vehicles. Work on the project "Tornado" is scheduled for completion over the next few years.

According to reports, the current project KAMAZ-53958 / 6560M dates back to an older design. In the middle of the last decade, experts of the Kama Automobile Plant presented the KAMAZ-6560 chassis with the wheel formula 8х8. This car could transport up to 20 tons of cargo and was created as a replacement for the KAMAZ-63501 chassis, which did not fully suit the military and defense industry. The main impetus for the emergence of the KAMAZ-6560 project was the development of the Pantsir-С1 anti-aircraft complex, which required a chassis with the appropriate characteristics. Due to the lack of a car with the required parameters, KamAZ developed a new chassis.


KamAZ-53958 at Interpolitex 2015. Photo St-kt.ru


In 2012, a new project for the development of promising automotive vehicles was launched, which received the designation “Tornado”. The main goal of this program is to develop universal platforms that can be used for the construction of various equipment for solving various tasks. The project, created by the Kama Automobile Plant, received the designations KAMAZ-53958 and KAMAZ-6560М. The latter, it should be noted, speaks directly about how to create a new technology and clearly hints at the maximum possible use of existing developments.

According to the available data, the Tornado program was based on a number of requirements concerning the improvement of the main characteristics of promising technology. So, due to the creation of nodes with the highest possible characteristics, as well as with the help of embedded diagnostic systems, it was necessary to increase the reliability of equipment 1,5-2 times. Engine power should be increased 1,2-1,4 times, which would increase the average speeds on various roads and thereby improve mobility by 30-40%. By reducing the time required to prepare the equipment for operation, the level of readiness for use was required to increase 1,5 times. Finally, the project requirements stipulated a reduction in the visibility of technology for various means of detection.

It took some time to develop a new project, after which the Kamsky Automobile Plant was able to demonstrate a promising special car. The first demonstration of the car with the KamAZ-6560М index took place in 2014, at the show in Bronnitsy. This car had a four-axle chassis and a characteristic protected cabin. Any additional equipment was not mounted on the exhibition chassis: the frame remained empty.

In October last year, the KamAZ-6560М / 53958 car in a modified form was shown at the Interpolitex-2015 exhibition. In the period between the two exhibitions, the car received a number of additional equipment. In this case, the most notable innovation was the installation of the onboard body. The equipment of the Tornado family is intended for solving various tasks, including the transport of goods. One of the transport configurations of the KAMAZ-53958 car involves the use of a body with folding sides.


Prototype KAMAZ-6560М at the exhibition in Bronnitsy. Photo Russian-power. Rf


In the future, new versions of additional equipment for Tornado machines from the Kama Automobile Plant may appear. In particular, there is already information about plans to develop a special modification that will be used as the basis for the upgraded Pantsir-SM anti-aircraft complex. Available data on such a combat vehicle suggest that the use of a new chassis will improve some of the characteristics of the complex, including an increase in missile systems.

In its current form, the KAMAZ-53958 / 6560М is a four-wheel-drive all-wheel drive vehicle with a secure cockpit and the ability to install various means for the transport of goods or other tasks. The car was built according to the frame scheme traditional for the Kama plant and has a bonded layout. All chassis units are mounted on a frame that runs the entire length of the machine. It fastens the elements of the chassis, power plant, cab and the necessary target equipment.

One of the most noticeable differences between the KamAZ-6560M and the base KamAZ-6560 is the characteristic cabin. In order to simplify development and production, it was decided to use a ready-made cockpit borrowed from the Typhoon-K armored car. The cabin has kept the main dimensions and layout. It accommodates three people and provides full control of all systems of the machine. For the safety of the crew cabin is equipped with armor, providing all-round protection in the class "6" domestic standards. Thus, the crew is protected from armor-piercing incendiary bullets of rifle cartridges.

Inside the cabin are the jobs of three crew members. The driver has a steering wheel, gearbox control levers and other systems, pedals, etc. In difficult situations, the driver can also use a set of video cameras installed around the perimeter of the roof of the car. The signal from them is displayed on the monitor in the cabin. Cameras can be used, in particular, in case of damage to the main glazing, consisting of two large windshields and two windows in the doors.

Being borrowed from the existing armored car, the cabin of the Tornado car retained its characteristic casing in the rear, located on the left side. Inside it is the engine radiator and part of other equipment for various purposes. To the right of this casing on the rear wall of the cabin provides for mounting for the spare wheel.


Cab KAMAZ-53958. Photo Autoreview.ru


It is proposed to install a KAMAZ-910.10 hp 550 diesel engine under the cab. Such a power plant should provide a relatively heavy machine with high mobility and carrying capacity. For example, the total mass of KAMAZ-53958 "Tornado", according to the manufacturer, reaches 40 t, of which up to 25,4 t may fall on the equipment being mounted. Despite the relatively large weight, the car will be able to accelerate on the highway to 100 km / h. With the help of two fuel tanks with a capacity of 350 l it is planned to bring the cruising range to 1000 km.

The running gear of the perspective car is based on the units of the base KAMAZ-6560. It has continuous bridges and is equipped with leaf springs. On axles mounted wheels size 16.00 R20 Belarusian production.

According to reports, the platform KAMAZ-53958 can be the basis for equipment for various purposes. A truck with an onboard body is already presented, there is also information about the creation of a special chassis for advanced anti-aircraft complexes. It is possible that in the future new versions of this chassis will be developed for other tasks. Earlier it was reported that at the present time various design and test works are being carried out, which in the near future will allow to launch mass production of new automotive vehicles. The first serial "Tornado", according to previously announced plans, should be off the assembly line in 2017 year.

The proposed project KAMAZ-53958 / 6560М is of great interest to the armed forces, because it allows to unify the equipment for various purposes as much as possible. However, this machine, apparently, is not without flaws. In the 2-th issue of the magazine "Auto Review" for 2016, the article "Armored Platform" was published, devoted to a promising project. The author of this publication got acquainted with the model of the Tornado machine during the Interpolitex exhibition and drew some conclusions. In particular, he drew attention to the shortcomings.

During the exhibition, allegedly, it was shown not an experienced, but a mock-up exhibition sample of a promising machine. Nevertheless, despite this, he had a number of negative features. For example, it was mounted on a relatively old body, on which even rust appeared. Fenders and reflectors also did not differ in high quality production. However, there were drawbacks not only of a “cosmetic” nature.

The sample, judging by the appearance of its units, was not equipped with a new KamAZ-910.10 engine, but received a less powerful powerplant of the existing type. The appearance of the gearbox control lever allowed the author of the magazine “Auto Review” to assume that the transmission of the car was made by the American firm Allison. The transfer box can be purchased from Steyr, and lighting equipment is manufactured in Italy by Cobo. Thus, the KAMAZ-53958 project seriously depends on the supply of foreign components, which may be difficult due to the deterioration of the international situation. Due to regular sanctions, the KamAZ plant may be left without the necessary products, which will lead to a halt in the assembly of new equipment.


Onboard body of the exhibition sample. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


The project has other disadvantages that are not related to the origin of components and assemblies. Thus, a protected bumper is provided on the frame of the car under the cab, smoothly turning into side units with steps for access to the cab. Behind it is a large number of different cables and hoses connecting the cab to the chassis. At the same time, it was clear that at the exhibition between the bumper and the armored cab there is a very large gap, which can affect the survivability of cables in a combat situation.

Also, the author of the article in the "Auto Review" noted not too successful layout of the chassis units. The pneumatic system hoses, which ensure the operation of some undercarriage units, bend too much and approach a dangerous distance to the inner surfaces of the wheels. Thus, there is a serious risk of damage to the hoses when driving.

Some of the shortcomings described in the article “Armored Platform” can be attributed to the purpose of the vehicle presented at the exhibition. She was not a full-fledged prototype, because of which she could have some specific features. Thus, in the future, prototypes of the new "Tornado" may well get rid of problems in the form of rusty bodies or uncovered wires with hoses. However, there is a more serious problem associated with the risk for the entire project. In the power plant and transmission of the car KAMAZ-53958 are actively used components of foreign production, which is associated with certain risks of a political nature.

According to some reports, the mass production of new cars of the Tornado family should begin as early as next year. Thus, for the remaining time, the specialists of the manufacturing plant will have to solve the problems identified and finalize the project accordingly. In this case, the armed forces will be able to get modern multi-purpose vehicles with high performance, which will be used to solve various tasks, from the transportation of goods to the construction of new combat vehicles.


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  1. Sweles
    Sweles 16 February 2016 06: 24 New
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    The appearance of the gearbox control lever allowed the author of the magazine "Auto Review" to assume that the transmission of the machine was made by the American company Allison. A transfer case can be purchased from Steyr, and lighting equipment is manufactured in Italy by Cobo.

    There is nothing to boast of at the plant that celebrated the anniversary of the 40let, and remains dependent on the western configuration. What do their designers do?
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 16 February 2016 07: 49 New
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      Quote: Sveles
      What do their designers do?

      Native boxes there for a long time do not make normal, continuous import. This is the problem of our entire automobile industry, not just the freight one. Okay, at least you can buy not only from manufacturers, but also in China, there all this stuff is licensed.
      1. aba
        aba 16 February 2016 07: 59 New
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        Native boxes there for a long time do not make normal, continuous import.


        It is simply unbelievable how everyone managed to do this in the Union ?!
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 18 February 2016 00: 48 New
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          And what is incredible? What was the population of the Union and what is the population of Russia? (-100 million people). What percentage of this population worked in production then and what works now? The incredible thing is that in general they are capable of developing and releasing something now.
      2. Sweles
        Sweles 16 February 2016 08: 34 New
        +5
        Quote: inkass_98
        Well, at least you can buy not only from manufacturers, but also in China, there all this stuff is done under license.


        but Belarusians in the MZKT have mastered the German box by license and are no longer so dependent on the West ...
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 16 February 2016 17: 15 New
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          Quote: Sveles
          but Belarusians mastered the German box by license

          ZF boxes are also produced under license at KamAZ, but, in my personal opinion, this is, at all, "not the main part of the aircraft."
          Kamaz climbs to the cake of the state defense order on the principle: where the horse with the hoof, there is cancer with the claw.
          Our chassis is not elevated, like KamAZ and the Urals, and BAZ has been doing high passability all my life.
          This, who does not know, the chassis of the Wasp, Hurricane, Bastion, S-400 (used now instead of MAZ), Points and much more.
          It is necessary to combine efforts, and not spray them, especially now, when there is simply no extra money.
          1. Sweles
            Sweles 16 February 2016 17: 38 New
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            Quote: Alekseev
            Kamaz climbs to the cake of the state defense order on the principle: where the horse with the hoof, there is cancer with the claw.


            Kamaz is steadily wiping Belarusians from its rightful niche, and they themselves can not do anything to make the plant modern, and not screwdriver picking production from Merc and Alice, but Putin blossomed like a cherry for an anniversary, we can say Kamaz is an indicator of Putin's economy. ..
          2. Throw
            Throw 16 February 2016 17: 48 New
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            What do their designers do?

            And with the design and engineering school on military vehicles on Kamaz there is no fountain because Kamaz was originally the development of ZIL, ZIL-170, which was transferred to production in Tatarstan by party orders. Thus, ZIL was left out of work, and in Chelny, everyone is busy, in fact, with a design 50 years ago, where they periodically make "modernizations" and stick imported components, because they cannot develop their own ...
    2. 1-Patriot
      1-Patriot 16 February 2016 08: 43 New
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      there are beggarly s / n, people work current from hopelessness and of course with low motivation! Why try?

      For some reason, the leadership believes that for the salary of a janitor, qualified personnel should jump out of their pants and work wonders ...

      Built a new office in which 2,5 thousand. office plankton ...

      But Kogogin boasts the first and only in the city of Tesla, to fly to Moscow, of course, on a private plane, etc.
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 16 February 2016 10: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Sveles

      There is nothing to boast of at the plant that celebrated the anniversary of the 40let, and remains dependent on the western configuration. What do their designers do?

      I will add only a link to the engine, make your own conclusions. Http://www.gruzovikpress.ru/article/2373-2015-08-04-noviy-6-tsilindroviy-tu
      rbodizel-kamaz-910 /
    4. Falcon
      Falcon 16 February 2016 10: 19 New
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      The author did not indicate that the promising KamAZ-910.10 engine. Actually it is the Liebherr D946 engine. Which has been relatively successfully operating for a relatively long time. It simply decided to make small improvements, but in fact it is the same Liebher! And the development of our own KAMAZ V8 was adopted as unpromising.



      Quote: Sveles
      There is nothing to boast of at the plant that celebrated the anniversary of the 40let, and remains dependent on the western configuration. What do their designers do?


      All manufacturers depend on someone else’s components. Especially modern trucks. All have the same fuel bosh, many ZF boxes, Wabko brake pneumatics, jost saddles, etc.

      It’s impossible to develop all of your own

      Quote: aba
      It is simply unbelievable how everyone managed to do this in the Union ?!


      And where are our trucks now. The problem is not what to develop. And that it was at a competitive global level. Otherwise, why reinvent the wheel - which will be more expensive and worse than competitors.

      Quote: Sveles
      but Belarusians in the MZKT have mastered the German box by license and are no longer so dependent on the West ...


      Kamaz makes a ZF box under license. She even buys (from Kamaz!) St. Petersburg factory MAN.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 16 February 2016 11: 24 New
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        Quote: Falcon
        Fuel all the same bosh,

        The issue of heating can not be resolved, because the Germans do not want to build a modern plant of fuel equipment. More or less suitable equipment, but without a computer, is produced at the AZPI. This time. In those conditions that military equipment is used in our country, electronic units will often refuse .I know what I'm writing. On "Cummins" QSB standing on drilling rigs, very often the contact connectors are oxidized due to the ingress of condensate. It is necessary to put the injection pump on the mechanics, excluding the electronics. Now where did the EURO norms come from? On army equipment, engines are used for special operating conditions. These include internal combustion engines for construction, mining, the army. There is still a roar of industries. Now I did not give a link for nothing. The production of engines, that is, the construction and start-up of a motor plant is scheduled for the next 2017. While the technology is being developed, setting up the equipment, it is still a year. So, apart from YaMZ and TMZ, we do not have car engines.
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 16 February 2016 11: 43 New
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          Quote: Amurets
          The question of refueling cannot be resolved, because the Germans do not want to build a modern fuel equipment plant. More or less suitable equipment, but without a computer, is produced at the AZPI


          Yes, Common rail on military engines is not needed at all. It is not a fact that the KAMAZ Liebher can be adapted for injection pumps and nozzles of AZPI.

          Quote: Amurets
          So besides YaMZ and TMZ we do not have automobile engines.


          Why, there is KAMAZ 740
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 16 February 2016 13: 28 New
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            Quote: Falcon

            Yes, Common rail on military engines is not needed at all. It is not a fact that the KAMAZ Liebher can be adapted for injection pumps and nozzles of AZPI.

            Quote: Falcon
            Why, there is KAMAZ 740

            Cyril! Not necessarily Common Rail. AZPI produces fuel and fuel pressure accumulators for them, specifically for BOSH sizes, they are standard all over the world. Look at presentations and prospectuses. The fact is that there are no computers, they are bought abroad. I had to redo the diesel under ordinary fuel injection, the benefit was fuel pump with an electronic regulator, not the Royal Way. The problem is that under ordinary fuel injection pump, but with an electronic regulator, the components are foreign. Now KAMAZ-7403 and the like. If you wish more than 360-380l.s. you can’t squeeze it out of it. The head’s hydraulic resistance is great. You need to install at least three valves, and preferably four, shorter than a rework on a new engine. If I start listing, you get 4 volumes of Professor Orlin's ICE.
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 16 February 2016 14: 11 New
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              Quote: Amurets
              Cyril! Not necessarily Common Rail. AZPI produces fuel and fuel pressure accumulators for them, specifically for BOSH sizes, they are standard all over the world. Look at presentations and prospectuses. The fact is that there are no computers, they are bought abroad. I had to redo the diesel under conventional fuel injection, the benefit was a high-pressure fuel pump with an electronic regulator, not the Royal Way. The problem is that under ordinary high-pressure fuel pumps, but with an electronic regulator, the components are foreign.


              I didn’t know, I thought they were completely fuel-making on a turnkey basis.

              Quote: Amurets
              Now KAMAZ-7403 and the like. With all desire, more 360-380l.s. you can’t squeeze it out of it. The head’s hydraulic resistance is great. You need to install at least three valves, and preferably four, shorter than a rework on a new engine. If I start to list, you get Professor Orlin’s 4 engine engine engine volume.

              Well, with all the desire, V-8 is difficult to bring to Euro 5 / 6. And to do only for the military engine, I think now no one will. In any case, you need your own in-line 6.
              In this regard, promising YaMZ-770, although there are also CPG, valves, etc. - all imported.
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 16 February 2016 14: 52 New
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                Quote: Falcon
                Well, with all the desire, V-8 is difficult to bring to Euro 5 / 6. And to do only for the military engine, I think now no one will. In any case, you need your own in-line 6.
                In this regard, promising YaMZ-770, although there are also CPG, valves, etc. - all imported.

                Cyril, we forget that EURO-4 is the limit for the engine, then there is a gas exhaust barrel, fuel purity, nitrogen oxides nitrates and nitrides. My friend went to Europe, he drove, maybe our truckers from the European part of Russia are not striking, but who happens to be there rarely immediately rushed the color of greens overfilled with nitrogen. This is the result of using a blue liquid. Now the requirements for aromatic hydrocarbons, for the sulfur content in the fuel, for diesel particulate filters, for turbocompressors, and for reducing hydraulic resistance are increasing phenomena of air filters. About the components that you write there was no problem producing in our factories, the only problem was piston rings. Qualitative piston rings were not produced either in the USSR or in Russia. For racing engines, rings were purchased abroad, but what was produced Consumer goods are not high quality.
      2. Sweles
        Sweles 16 February 2016 12: 11 New
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        The author did not indicate that the promising KamAZ-910.10 engine. Actually it is the Liebherr D946 engine.


        Yes, all of this is quite disgusting, neither the engine itself can do, neither the box, nor the cabin and symbols in Latin, KAMAZ is insignificant.

        Quote: Falcon
        Kamaz makes a ZF box under license. She even buys (from Kamaz!) St. Petersburg factory MAN.


        if they’re doing their own, then why do they put Alice on typhoons?
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 16 February 2016 12: 37 New
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          Quote: Sveles
          if they’re doing theirs then why are they putting Alice?


          These are different boxes ZF 16-speed manual, Aliston is a hydraulic machine.
          allison along with Eaton are leaders in hydraulic power plants worldwide.

          We have long been the opinion - they say the mechanics are the most off-road. Its undoubted advantage is the possibility of buildup.

          But the machine has no less pluses. They give smooth torque and traction without jerking. Therefore, it’s harder to get stuck in a swamp. There is no clutch that can burn. Plus, driver qualifications may be lower (off-road is very important). Also, attention is not lost - especially in combat conditions.

          All modern military equipment comes with hydraulic machines, usually Allison.
          1. Sweles
            Sweles 16 February 2016 13: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Falcon
            All modern military equipment comes with hydraulic machines, usually Allison.


            all the machines rule correctly, but why then buy mechanics? to consciously lag behind the outgoing progress?
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 16 February 2016 14: 21 New
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              Quote: Sveles
              all the machines rule correctly, but why then buy mechanics? to consciously lag behind the outgoing progress?


              Well, the mechanics of ZF are now on all KAMAZ trucks. No one puts an automatic machine on civilian equipment (with us).

              In Europe, machines are also not entirely preferred. There, highway trucks are equipped with robots. It has less consumption due to the optimal algorithm than mechanics and there is no hydro-loss like a hydraulic machine. But this is for road racers and civilians.

              Those. if we are to produce something advanced, then this is a robot. Since highway trucks are sold many times more than full-drives.

              But here, as usual, our mentality rises.
              First skidding on a robot (in winter) is not very correct. Although there have long been protective functions.
              Secondly, and most importantly, is the price. The difference between the mechanics of ZF Ecosplit 16 ST and the robot ZF AS Tronic 12st is approximately 2500 Euro! That’s how much each KAMAZ with a robot will go up in price, unlike mechanics. You understand - not a weak difference
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 16 February 2016 19: 37 New
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                Better generally robotic gearbox.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 16 February 2016 19: 44 New
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                There are also multiplex ZF gearboxes for trucks
              3. Serg koma
                Serg koma 18 February 2016 01: 04 New
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                Quote: Falcon
                Those. if we are to produce something advanced, then this is a robot. Since highway trucks are sold many times more than full-drives.

                If I understood correctly, in your commentary you stand for "robot" and attribute to "robot" the most advanced positions in the world ranking of road tractor sales?
                The country with the world's largest vehicle fleet, while the most "lazy" country in the world (in terms of manual transmission), I PLEASE find you among the NEW, ROAD tractors, at least 30% of "automatic" (robotic) gearboxes.
                http://www.truckpaper.com/list/list.aspx?bcatid=26&DidSearch=1&EID=1&LP=TRK&ETID
                = 1 & mdlx = Contains & YF = 2015 & Cond = New & LS = 30 & SO = 69 & btnSearch = Search
                Before making a statement about the whole world of road trucks "dreaming" of a "robot", I study
                read the market, not Popular Mechanics
                By the way, Allison is from the country to which he gave the link yes

                PS
                Gearbox Еaton auto-smart-ultra shift (homeland is the same) smile
                Ultrashift - without clutch pedal (so to speak "full robot" with automatic "clutch")
                Smartshift - with clutch pedal
                Avtoshift - with clutch pedal (early releases)
                1. Falcon
                  Falcon 18 February 2016 13: 15 New
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                  Quote: Serg Koma
                  If I understood correctly, in your commentary you stand for "robot" and attribute to "robot" the most advanced positions in the world ranking of road tractor sales?

                  Quote: Serg Koma
                  The country with the world's largest vehicle fleet, while the most "lazy" country in the world (in terms of manual transmission), I PLEASE find you among the NEW ROAD tractors, at least 30% of "automatic"


                  If you read carefully, you noticed that not the whole world but:

                  Quote: Falcon
                  In Europe, machines are also not entirely preferred. There, highway trucks are equipped with robots.


                  The American truck market is the most conservative. This is evident in the technologies applied to them. If you owned the information, and knew from the inside the American truck market, then this would not have been carried. There it is considered that only young people who are not experienced ride on a machine. Therefore, trucks with a machine in the secondary market are not valued - as they are considered a priori dead. Nevertheless, over time, this situation is changing. In view of their conservatism, it is not always towards the robot, and sometimes towards the hydraulic machine.

                  Quote: Serg Koma
                  Before making a statement about the whole world of road trucks "dreaming" of a "robot", study the market, not Popular Mechanics


                  good It really smiled! I don’t like to brag, but by the nature of my activity, at the moment, I have been on business trips to several truck factories in Germany and Japan, as well as manufacturers of components, oil transmissions, etc. I don’t read popular mechanics, but I live in the market in this lol And that the robot is more economical, I know from the results of hundreds of tests and hundreds of reviews of real drivers ...

                  Quote: Serg Koma
                  Where are OUR trucks? Once, WE built a car plant in China, taught the Chinese to make cars ... Only the Chinese went ahead (today, HINO 338 is sold in the USA, where you yourself understand OUR GAS, KAMAZ, URAL and even MAZ nothing shines), and OUR the auto industry is engaged in "deep modernization" of former well-deserved models. Yes, the Chinese stole somewhere, bought a license somewhere, somewhere they themselves implemented something - the result is not in favor of OUR stagnant car industry

                  PS Harboring! KAMAZ champion !!! Only all the steam to the hoot came out ....


                  I don’t understand what is the essence of this impulse, and how does he respond to my post?

                  PS By the way, what's the connection "CHINA"And"HINO"??????
            2. Falcon
              Falcon 16 February 2016 14: 30 New
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              Quote: Sveles
              everything is right, the machines rule, but why then buy mechanics


              Quote: Falcon
              In Europe, machines are also not entirely preferred.


              PS
              Although not only 6 * 6 but also 6 * 4 dump trucks are installed on VOLVO dump trucks. Nevertheless, the scoops have difficult operating conditions.

              Trash cans are also equipped with machine guns. Robots are torn in harsh conditions.

              On Merci incidentally Alliston
              1. Sweles
                Sweles 16 February 2016 17: 30 New
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                Quote: Falcon
                On Merci incidentally Alliston
                Reply Quote Report Abuse


                also Aliston is?
                best trash, you get on the bus, and you get into the trash ...
                1. Falcon
                  Falcon 16 February 2016 21: 51 New
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                  Quote: Sveles
                  also Aliston is?


                  No, I made a mistake of course Allison transmission. Their box is on an abrams, for example, on an armored personnel carrier, on MAZ buses, on Liazs, on dump trucks (like Belaz), on airfield tractors, etc.

                  There are still voith for example. But it is considered a bus. Only 4 speeds, but long.

                  Quote: Sveles
                  best trash, you get on the bus, and you get into the trash ...


                  Previously, such trash was full (in the sense of manufacturers) MAN VOLVO Scania mark renault.

                  Now only the Mercedes has remained, the rest have blocked the production of low-floor cabins.
          2. Amurets
            Amurets 16 February 2016 13: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: Falcon
            All modern military equipment comes with hydraulic machines, as a rule

            Cyril! And here I’ll fully support you, because before I retired, I worked in geological exploration and hydraulic traction and hydraulically, and I recommended myself perfectly in difficult working conditions. You are right that there is no unit or unit that can be disabled by stupidity or inexperience.
      3. Serg koma
        Serg koma 18 February 2016 02: 48 New
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        Quote: Falcon
        And where are our trucks now. The problem is not what to develop. And that it was at a competitive global level. Otherwise, why reinvent the wheel - which will be more expensive and worse than competitors.

        Where are OUR trucks? Once, WE built a car plant in China, taught the Chinese to make cars ... Only the Chinese went ahead (today, HINO 338 is sold in the USA, where you yourself understand OUR GAS, KAMAZ, URAL and even MAZ nothing shines), and OUR the auto industry is engaged in "deep modernization" of former well-deserved models. Yes, the Chinese stole somewhere, bought a license somewhere, somewhere they themselves implemented something - the result is not in favor of OUR stagnant car industry negative

        PS Harboring! KAMAZ champion !!! Only all the steam to the hoot came out ....
      4. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 9 March 2016 19: 21 New
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        Quote: Falcon
        The author did not indicate that the promising KamAZ-910.10 engine. Actually it is the Liebherr D946 engine.


        And here is the link to the material on the new engine:
        http://www.zr.ru/content/articles/804952-novye-turbodizeli-kamaza-perspektivnyj-
        ryad /
    5. Serg koma
      Serg koma 18 February 2016 00: 03 New
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      Despite the relatively large weight, the car can accelerate on the highway to 100 km / h. With the help of two fuel tanks with a capacity of 350 l each, it is planned to increase the range of up to 1000 km.
      Recall the arithmetic 350 + 350 = 700 liters d / t. 700/1000 = 0,7 liters per km. Or more digestible 70l / 100km. what And this is when explaining "bring the range to 1000 km.", that is, no more, and in addition on the highway (since the greatest" range "is achieved in the most favorable conditions)! And if this" monster "is released on rough, difficult terrain?
      Either a typo, or "we don't need such hockey (transport)"! laughing
      PS BTR-80
      Fuel consumption with combined cycle: 60..130 l / 100 km
      Fuel consumption on the highway: 48 l / 100 km
    6. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 9 March 2016 19: 26 New
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      Quote: Sveles
      What do their designers do?


      Design engineers can develop any unit. Be it a bridge or a checkpoint. The question is sharply different - at what capacities to produce new products? In order to produce a new type of checkpoint, it is necessary to re-equip all existing production. And this, apparently, has not been done.
  2. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 16 February 2016 07: 05 New
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    Native jerkers make the brains so hard that they are thrown out and put in yamz 238. They are released from the factory with the CUMMINS engine (usa) happy with them. PPC native complete darkness - from the factory put ZF (Germany) they are also happy. And in the end, the native Cab, Frame, Wheels and Bridges are such an import substitution request

    Ural and Ural again good both military and civilian.
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 16 February 2016 07: 12 New
      +7
      I forgot to upload a photo of this ural together with gas (new cabs)
    2. Falcon
      Falcon 16 February 2016 11: 04 New
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      Quote: Siberia 9444
      Ural and Ural again, both military and civilian.


      The bullseye is not far from the apple tree.

      Its plus is a nosy cabin. For the military, it is very important when hitting a mine. If not mistaken yet clearance more.

      The YaMZ-530 engine is a joint development with the Austrians. Fuel, piston, valves are all purely imported.
      Brake Wabko. Boxes ZF. Although the military probably put the old YaMZ. But they are very poor.

      530 also loses much to libhir in power and torque. Yes, and 8 * 8 with a long cab ...
      1. twviewer
        twviewer 16 February 2016 15: 03 New
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        Quote: Falcon
        Its plus is a nosy cabin. For the military it is very important when hitting a mine.

        it is still necessary to justify it, but the increased size and weight, and accordingly the fuel consumption is not more important?
        so it’s just easier to execute and maintain
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 16 February 2016 15: 18 New
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          Quote: twviewer
          it is still necessary to justify it, but the increased size and weight, and accordingly the fuel consumption is not more important?


          Everything has been grounded for a long time. The front axle hits the engine, not the cab. Chances to survive more.

          Why suddenly an increase in mass. On Typhoon Kamaz, the engine behind the cab is here in front. The difference is a penny. PM at 8 * 8, in any case, according to modern standards of 40 tons.
          Especially in the expense - it's not a plane and not an F-1 race. Consumption in KAMAZ may be less - since the engine is more powerful (goes without tension). For example, 260 strong KamAZ tractor with full weight could eat 60 liters. A more modern with 400 l / s fits in 40l.

          HINO 300 7,5 ™ eats 18l HINO 500 12 ™ eats 19l Almost no difference. The figures are not from advertising, but from experience.
          1. twviewer
            twviewer 16 February 2016 15: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Falcon
            Everything has been grounded for a long time

            Depends on the speed of movement, where the explosion
            nosach weighs more, carries less, gluttonous, albeit not much, also larger
            there’s nothing to argue about
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 February 2016 19: 39 New
        +1
        This fuel equipment and piston equipment in Russia will soon begin to be made, it is now expensive to carry expensive goods from abroad.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 16 February 2016 23: 39 New
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          Quote: Vadim237
          This fuel equipment and piston equipment in Russia will soon begin to be made, it is now expensive to carry expensive goods from abroad.

          And then everything is done in Russia, only for some reason the raw materials, key components, sensors are brought from abroad. Foreign materials are used on the Motor parts. At the Dmitrovgrad plant all high-quality plain bearings and liners are made from imported tape. About computers and CHIPS for nozzles and pump nozzles I do not say.
    3. Serg koma
      Serg koma 18 February 2016 00: 08 New
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      Quote: Siberia 9444
      And in the end, the native Cab, Frame, Wheels and Bridges are such an import substitution


      DRAG KAMAZ dear !!!
  3. otto meer
    otto meer 16 February 2016 09: 35 New
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    Here is a civilian prototype of this monster.
    KAMAZ-6560. The machine is serial, manufactured from 2005 to the present.
    Here is a short TTX:
    load capacity, kg 20000
    the mass of the towed trailer, kg 12000 on the highway
    7500 on the ground
    gross weight, kg 35000
    curb weight, kg 14850
    overall dimensions (LxWxH), mm 10300 x 2500 x 3265
    platform dimensions (LxWxH), mm 6112 x 2470 x 750
    ground clearance, mm 380
    wheelbase, mm 2600 + 3640 + 1440
    track front / rear wheels, mm 2080/2080
    outer turning radius, m 14,0
    maximum speed, km / h 90
    fuel consumption, l / 100 km 44
    fuel tank volume, l 350 x 2
    power reserve, km 1600
    tire size 16.00 R20
    crossable ford, m 1,8
    climb, hail. 31

    Here is a brief aggregate:
    engine: KamAZ-740.63-400 (Euro-3) diesel, four-stroke, 8-cylinder, V-shaped 90 °,
    turbo with NVG, overhead valve, liquid cooling
    cylinder diameter, mm 120,0
    piston stroke, mm 130,0
    working volume, l 11,76
    compression ratio 16,5
    engine power hp (kW)
    (with speed limiter) 400 (294)
    at 1900 rpm
    torque, kgf * m (Nm) 180 (1764)
    at 1200-1400 rpm
    no clutch transmission
    gearbox (automatic) ZF 6HP 602, hydromechanical,
    6 speed
    transfer case Steyr VG2000 / 300
    2-speed (1,536: 1 and 0,890: 1)
    the main gear is double, a pair of bevel gears and a pair of cylindrical gears (6,88: 1)
    front axle drive permanent, non-disconnectable
    rear axle drive sequential, straight through

    In 2009, 6 pieces were bought by Tula Electric Networks. Reviews are very bad, At the moment, none are on the go. Large-scale failures, expensive to repair.

    These are the pies request
  4. chenia
    chenia 16 February 2016 11: 31 New
    +3
    The transport of logistic support for the regimental unit should have such armored vehicles. The correct direction.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 18 February 2016 03: 02 New
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      Quote: chenia
      Logistic support transport for regimental units should have such armored vehicles

      But at the same time
      meeting the needs of the "customer"
      easy to manage
      reliable
      repairable in the field
      economical
      technological
      cheap (in terms of production)
  5. Viktor2410
    Viktor2410 16 February 2016 16: 21 New
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    Yes, apparently, they produced their own only under the communists, now the current authorities cannot or do not want to create their own. We get outdated designs (scraps from the table) Western. What can I say there they threw Chinese tomatoes, cucumbers, even Chinese dill, everything poisonous, shame, and nothing more.
  6. tchoni
    tchoni 16 February 2016 17: 45 New
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    An armored cab is right! A hundred times right! But with the quality of KAMAZ, MAZ, gas.
  7. wandlitz
    wandlitz 16 February 2016 19: 20 New
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    Currently, with the aim of developing the fleet of automobile and special equipment of the armed forces, several new projects are being developed. The most important element of the new program are Tornado projects, within the framework of which promising wheeled chassis with high load-carrying characteristics are created. The main contractors for the new program are the KamAZ and Ural automobile plants.
    So there are no other car factories left.
    No ZIL, KZKT either ...
  8. Number 17
    Number 17 16 February 2016 20: 45 New
    +1
    Generally so. Now in the fashion of Grad to put on the chassis of the Urals and not KamAZ. In operation, the Urals are better. It can be started with a pusher. Kamaz is not. It is necessary to pump air in the system. In general, the Urals are better. I saw the four-axle KamAZ in the business a lot of problems with it.
  9. pooop
    pooop 19 February 2016 00: 29 New
    -1
    In fact, comrades, this is the rawest version of the copy MAN-Rheinmetall HX-81 8x8.
    Here is an option, if you really need it, then only "Ural".
  10. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 9 March 2016 19: 28 New
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    According to some reports, the serial production of new cars of the Tornado family should begin next year.

    Brothers! People! People! What on earth? On the knee or what? belay