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Moscow stalls as a new "icon" of Russian liberals. The demolition echo ...

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Previous week in certain media circles was marked by “save the Moscow stalls!” Without living the “intelligentsia”, the marsh altruists and other liberal gurus of LJ posted so much that literally every second or third topic in these instills was “lawlessness”. Namely, the “Putin-Sobyanin regime” smashes, you understand, what “could and should” (was) become the basis of the “innovative Russian economy”. This foundation is small and microbusiness.


Someone sat down at the calculator and began to consider how many Moscow-based innovative businessmen, after working with excavators and bulldozers, will receive less of the freshest shawarma every day, and therefore - revenues, and also, therefore - how much tax the Moscow city budget will lose. Aha - taxes ... And the calculators led these people to the fact that it was the shawarma that for many years was the engine of progress in the Russian capital, and the stalls for its production were literally city-forming enterprises. There are no “shaurmyachechny” and “lyulyakababny” - no, you know, and Moscow itself ...

And when in one of the discussions a phrase like “Moscow is not the same” appears, uttered with all seriousness, it becomes once again extremely clear what our dear “friends” from the liberal panopticon see modern Russia. In the next program of Konstantin Semin "Agitprop", released recently on the TV channel "Russia 24", a remarkable characteristic was given to that liberal stomping with feet and sprinkling of saliva, which suddenly, like a wave of a magic wand, manifested itself against the background of the decision of the city authorities. As Konstantin says, why do ladies and gentlemen who are now raising a wave about the demolition of an illegal samostroit in central Moscow, and stating that this is a blow to Russian business, were silent in a rag when in Moscow at one time they stopped and looted entire factories. Why did they not raise their “popular wave” when the production lines were privatized for nothing, then they gave up on the ferrous metal with simultaneous dismissal of hundreds of employees of factories and plants and the start of construction of the next points for the sale of alcohol or Chinese-Turkish consumer goods.

Hundreds of Moscow industrial enterprises were destroyed with a light stroke of the pen in 90 — against the background of “saving privatization”, and indeed, about the same, Privatizers continue to be engaged now. The logic is as follows: why open a new textile factory, if you can buy bales of low-quality products somewhere in Asia, why invest in something that will bring financial returns no earlier than 2-3 years, if grandmas are needed here and now? ..

At the same time, the phrase “deductions to the budget” of such businessmen and their ideological advocates from among the “non-survivors” causes, at best, a slight grin, and more often loud laughter - they say, deductions to somewhere? .. The excuses are as follows: in Moscow You know, the economic sense of expanding production in industrial (well, which used to be such) areas of the capital is very expensive to rent land, it’s better to set up “shawry-ball” and wine-glasses in the central streets and squares, tangle with stolen mobile phones and the Moscow railway stations are so economically more appropriate ... And if there is a stall in which Jumshut (with the permission of Rajab and their common "roof" with stars on shoulder straps from some "re-certified" police station) , they decided to demolish the Moscow authorities, that, you know, a blow to the Russian economy ...

Moscow stalls as a new "icon" of Russian liberals. The demolition echo ...


None of the samostroyas who were concerned about the demolition, including Mr. Navalny, who mourned the "small business", did not say a word about whether this is a step in the work on the fight against corruption. After all, it is not a secret to anyone that the financial return from the samostroi in the center of Moscow could go to anyone, including the mentioned “roof”, but not to the capital budget. On stalls, snack bars, eateries, built on the basis of officials committing corruption crimes, earned precisely those against whom, by definition, all sorts of anti-corruption funds, including the fund of the notorious Navalny, should fight. But, here's a bad luck, Mr. Navalny, as a fierce anti-corruption fighter, now acts as one of the fighters against the demolition of an unlawful samostroya, braiding something absurd in the style: “Are businessmen really to blame? .. They took loans, built , rented, worked ... "Well, of course, the businessman who delivered the flashed mobiles in the station stall or roasted chebureks on triple expired oil from the meat that was running around the station yesterday (by a guest who does not have an elementary booklet from the sunny Central Asian Republic) not mind Om, that his stall is on the municipal land, and the "tax" he pays in the envelope to the "good uncle" from the police station located nearby ...

Photo of the "shopping center", known to most locals actually open trade in narcotic substances (from Oleg Lurie's blog):


And for some reason, none of the “non-living” reports in their blogs that, along with the demolition of illegal samostroevs, a wave swept across Moscow, as the president of the brotherly state tells us, the “overhaul” of the personnel of the Moscow supervisory bodies and relevant committees in the municipalities . And why talk about this? After all, for a liberal “intelligentsia”, not the truth is important, but the wave is important, which needs to be raised so that ordinary citizens discuss it in the right way for them (“non-living”). The wave is raised, but only in this case, this wave perfectly demonstrates the whole essence of the persons raising it. And these persons have the same essence: to try to protect the property acquired with honest (hard work) with thin handlers with thin hands. To defend, for rampant and actual anarchy of 90-s in Russia is for the sake of the return of which the "non-living" three times a day feed on the cookies of the well-known "confectioners".
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  1. Finches
    Finches 16 February 2016 06: 14
    41
    Behind all this trade orgy is crime, part of which has long merged with the state apparatus! In addition to demolishing illegally built stalls, planting is needed, as VVP said! And you can safely start with Luzhkov and his trembling wife ...! And so, today they demolished here today - tomorrow they will build there! It reminds me more that soon elections and a loud action for Sobyanin and "United Russia" in the capital will not hurt ....
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 16 February 2016 06: 39
      +1
      Somehow the topic weakly fits in, but since ...
      What is not clear? They knocked out grandmas from the budget, urgently need to cut ... What kind of life is coming ...?
      1. Homo
        Homo 16 February 2016 11: 14
        +2
        Quote: NIKNN
        Somehow the topic weakly fits in, but since ...
        What is not clear? They knocked out grandmas from the budget, urgently need to cut ... What kind of life is coming ...?

        Read my comment above.
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 16 February 2016 11: 37
          36
          Everything is lost !!! After the demolition of the stalls, foreign investors are thinking of leaving Russia.
          1. Avantageur
            Avantageur 16 February 2016 12: 16
            13
            Quote: Rostov Dad
            Everything is lost !!! After the demolition of the stalls, foreign investors are thinking of leaving Russia.

            "Moscow is not the same"

            It remains for the small, to evict all those who came along with transport bought on credit at their main place of residence. Immediately the air will become cleaner, hatred in the city will decrease, ignorance will disappear from the streets, crime will decline in the capital and the city will become better ...


            1. Glot
              Glot 16 February 2016 12: 50
              10
              It remains for the small, to evict all those who came along with transport bought on credit at their main place of residence. Immediately the air will become cleaner, hatred in the city will decrease, ignorance will disappear from the streets, crime will decline in the capital and the city will become better ...


              I fully support.
              Oh, how nice it would be. Clean, free, spacious ... How would the City breathe a sigh of relief, brushing off this garbage. laughing
              (Shcha "garbage" will start minus laughing )
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 16 February 2016 13: 10
              +5
              Quote: Rostov Dad
              After the demolition of the stalls, foreign investors are thinking of leaving Russia.

              Quote: Avantageur
              It remains for the small, to evict all come along with transport

              So they are already citizens, and along with their passport they have military men on hand.
              I wonder who betrayed?
              And without them, the authorities will not beat population growth.
              1. Avantageur
                Avantageur 16 February 2016 14: 12
                +1
                Quote: Stroporez
                So they are already citizens, and along with their passport they have military men on hand.

                Quote: 10 reasons to hate the comers
                .

                The only entertainment for the provincials is drinking vodka and abusively scolding snickering Muscovites. That is what they are doing in their small homeland before they come to the capital city. Therefore, everyone who comes to Muscovites hates in advance, and even on the train begins to sharpen his teeth and claws. And if a fan comes to meet a friendly local, his template bursts and the paradigm collapses, which is very scary. But there is a way. Everyone who came to the question "Where are you from?" He answers something like this: "I am from the city of N. It is, in fact, in Russia, so that you know." In response, a Muscovite could say that he was not taught alternative geography at school, and he does not think at all that beyond the MKAD there is an icy desert inhabited by scattered savage tribes. But he doesn’t say that. He stiffens his face and quickly says goodbye. And the newcomer rejoices - hell, all Muscovites are callous, who do not consider provincials to be people. I knew it!

                .

                http://www.pics.ru/10-prichin-nenavidet-ponaehavshih

                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 16 February 2016 21: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Avantageur
                  I am from the city of N. This is, in fact, in Russia, so that you know


                  Well, if N. is, for example, НAlchik Нarticle Нaryan mar Нyeryungri or НAzran, then by the names (and the appearance of those who came in large numbers) for a Muscovite it may not be obvious that this is in Russia laughing
                  1. Avantageur
                    Avantageur 16 February 2016 22: 35
                    -3
                    Quote: Weyland
                    Well, if N. is, for example, НAlchik Нarticle Нaryan mar Нyeryungri or НAzran, then by the names (and the appearance of those who came in large numbers) for a Muscovite it may not be obvious that this is in Russia laughing

                    You can only see "N." I’ve read it, but it's okay, I understand that it’s an overwhelming burden for you to read the paragraph to the end. Gather your courage and do not be discouraged, just a little more and you will master it. I believe in you...
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                    2. Weyland
                      Weyland 17 February 2016 01: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: Avantageur
                      I understand that for you this is an excessive burden - to read the paragraph to the end.


                      Ara, not a rude senior in rank! By the way, I read to the end not only this paragraph, but also many of your posts. The impression is contradictory: when you simply express your opinion - you are usually quite adequate, but you do not have enough intelligence to conduct a discussion competently - we immediately turn to insults. Including Lermontov - who wrote poetry and fought very well, whatever you wrote about him. Firmly, the Lermontov line hooked you, baby ... laughing Despite the fact that he does not have Georgians finish off in the back - just shoot following the runaways; and Lermontov's evil are not Ossetians, but their bullets (although we are talking about robbers - so your screams on the topic: "And what for us?" are simply meaningless!) And the alternative to flight was, essno - not "to fall "as you wrote, but shoot back to the last bullet!
                      Well, and your love of double standards is, of course, not a purely Georgian quality, it is inherent in many peoples ... laughing
                      1. Avantageur
                        Avantageur 17 February 2016 01: 50
                        -4
                        I read to the end not only this paragraph, but also many of your posts

                        This time, you've read too much, you don't have a "golden mean", whatever one may say ...


                  2. sergeant1986
                    sergeant1986 16 February 2016 23: 50
                    0
                    That is, Novosibirsk, Nizhny Novgorod, Novgorod and Novorossiysk priority?)))
                    1. Avantageur
                      Avantageur 17 February 2016 00: 01
                      0
                      Quote: sergeant1986
                      That is, Novosibirsk, Nizhny Novgorod, Novgorod and Novorossiysk priority?)))

                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 17 February 2016 09: 06
                  0
                  but I don’t really like maskvastan, I like Leningrad good
              2. Seal
                Seal 16 February 2016 21: 58
                +1
                So they are already citizens, and along with their passport they have military men on hand.

                Military men are unlikely. But the passports ... so I see, the OMON has arrived (the case, of course, in Moscow), and one Transcaucasian native, whom this OMON constantly packed, so impudently stands and zero attention to the OMON. Even the type defiantly waits for one of them to approach him. I so carefully inquired about his health ... maybe the native had enough stupor or he lost his sight? Maybe sight and hearing :) And he proudly takes me out of his wide trousers (well, this is exaggerated, from an inner pocket) our passport. I ask: "How much did you buy, ara?" Well, he hesitated, but then called a rather insignificant amount. True, he says, for this he had to make a temporary registration in the Tver region.

                So this is what I am for. Yes, figs, they have our passport or not. Well, as a last resort, check the legality of issuing our Russian passports to all such natives, starting from 01.01.1992/XNUMX/XNUMX.
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          3. Seal
            Seal 17 February 2016 08: 34
            0
            Our "heroes" of the stall development
            http://www.nv.am/kurer/48727-2016-02-16-06-24-16
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      3. Jozhkin Cat
        Jozhkin Cat 16 February 2016 21: 50
        0
        this is our inner war. so fit?
    2. Glot
      Glot 16 February 2016 06: 51
      -57 qualifying.
      Behind all this trade orgy is crime, part of which has long merged with the state apparatus! In addition to demolishing illegally built stalls, planting is needed, as VVP said! And you can safely start with Luzhkov and his trembling wife ...! And so, today they demolished here today - tomorrow they will build there! It reminds me more that soon elections and a loud action for Sobyanin and "United Russia" in the capital will not hurt ....


      Sobyanin just doesn't know how to get the money out of it. Upon the arrival of loans, he scored, drove the Moscow government into debt (there was no debt under Luzhka), but the money must be given, but then it is not ... So it started, payment for parking, demolition of stalls, all kinds of "repair work" and so on etc.
      That's all.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 16 February 2016 07: 46
        +9
        Sobyanin just does not know how to break money yet. He collected loans upon arrival, drove the Moscow government into debt (there was no debt with Luzhka)
        Comrade, to be so mistaken as you, you need to try laughing
        Explain for a long time why, excuse me, but to the topic:
        And did you really think that it would be different?
        1. Glot
          Glot 16 February 2016 08: 43
          -33 qualifying.
          Comrade, to be so mistaken as you, you need to try laughing
          Explain for a long time why, excuse me, but to the topic:
          And did you really think that it would be different?


          Comrade, my brother sits in the Moscow government. And perhaps your informative base is bigger than mine, and perhaps you are Sobyanin's best friend, but I know a little "what and about something" more than the bulk of those who write comments here. laughing
          So ... most likely, the writing and the minus are mistaken in a lot. laughing
          1. Seal
            Seal 16 February 2016 09: 07
            19
            Excuse me, but what, according to your brother, the demolitions of the stalls give some profit to the Moscow Government?
            But about the fact that under Luzhkov, the capital had no debt - this is misinformation. It was. And almost a quarter of the city budget.

            http://ria.ru/infografika/20090826/182488135.html

            It is planned that next year city budget revenues will increase by almost 2009% compared to 5 to 994 billion 509 million rubles, and the expenditure will amount to 1 trillion 120 billion 245 million rubles.
            This year, due to the crisis, the Moscow authorities had to cut the budget more than once, the last time in June: revenues decreased by 417,3 billion rubles (30%) to 969,837 billion rubles, expenses - 294,5 billion rubles (20 %) - up to 1,152 trillion rubles. The deficit amounted to 182,7 billion rubles. It is expected that the capital treasury is still waiting for changes this year - the deficit is planned to increase by another 40-45 billion rubles.
            The city mayor considers it necessary to change the financial policy and reduce the size of government loans in the city, which in 2009 it was decided to increase by 47 billion rubles in addition to the already received 89,2 billion rubles. Thus, the state debt of the capital will be more than 260 billion rubles - 23% of the income of the city budget.


            1. Glot
              Glot 16 February 2016 09: 18
              -35 qualifying.
              Excuse me, but what, according to your brother, the demolitions of the stalls give some profit to the Moscow Government?
              But about the fact that under Luzhkov, the capital had no debt - this is misinformation. It was. And almost a quarter of the city budget.

              http://ria.ru/infografika/20090826/182488135.html


              I won’t even argue ... With whom?
              And, a couple of questions, for thought.
              Do you think demolition is worthless? Demolition is the money that is allocated to it, which ... laughing
              In place of what will be demolished in speed, something new will appear. Do you think this "something" will magically appear out of thin air? laughing
              Read more newspapers, watch TV, federal channels, there they will explain everything to you. And when they take off the last socks, they will also explain that it is for you, it is for you that it is necessary and beneficial for your own good. laughing
              1. Baikonur
                Baikonur 16 February 2016 09: 45
                26
                Quote: Glot
                And, a couple of questions, for thought.
                Do you think demolition is worthless? Demolition is the money that is allocated to it, which ...
                Something seems to me that you are something I recently spoke about:
                Now a "new generation" of trolls has come to the sites, working off the 70 billion dollars allocated by the US State Department to overthrow V.V. Putin. In social networks, they play all sorts of professions and various segments of the population: health workers, grandfathers, grandmothers, persons of any nationality, mothers and fathers with many children, teachers, retirees, etc.

                Work in groups and various topics for 5 people. In each such group, there is a psychologist and an analyst. They use specially prepared and distorted, but seemingly truthful information. It’s simply impossible to argue with them; in an argument, they attack you in a crowd and create the illusion that there are a majority of dissatisfied people in Russia.
                The meaning of their posts is that they will condemn and distort everything that happens in Russia. For example, the Olympiad is presented as an ostentatious event aimed at squandering financial state funds. You will be constantly encouraged that the Olympiad was held to "raise Putin's authority" in the world.

                You will be given financial expenses for the Olympiad and their full cost recovery, the destructibility of Olympic facilities, etc. Everything that is done in the country will be condemned similarly: roads, new enterprises, production and sale of minerals, oil, gas, gold fund countries, financial assistance from New Russia etc. etc. All posts will usually end with calls for the consolidation of society, against the poverty of the people and Putin with his personal and rich life. It is imperative that part of their posts use true information, but any misinformation rests on that!

                Everything that the representatives of the STATE DEPARTMENT write is professionally fabricated and specially rigged facts for the social networks of Russia. They use all sorts of terms, like "Honest state, Poverty of the people, Plundered Russia, State Governors got sick. The topic of housing and communal services, Pensions, Benefits, Medicine, Education, Police, financing of our regions and other countries, interethnic issues, rising prices, judicial system, ecology etc.".

                Be carefull!
                http://mpsh.ru/242-ssha-vydelili-dengi-na-sverzhenie-putina.html
                1. Glot
                  Glot 16 February 2016 09: 50
                  -22 qualifying.
                  Something seems to me that you are something I recently spoke about:


                  It only seems to you.
                  To me, in principle, these tents, both went and went. I don’t care at all, I have no side to them.
                  I just don't belong to "urya-patriots", and I look at things soberly. I took off my pink glasses a long time ago.
                  Well, if something else seems to you - cross yourself, maybe it will. laughing
                  1. Baikonur
                    Baikonur 16 February 2016 09: 57
                    +5
                    Quote: Glot
                    and I look at things soberly.

                    1. Glot
                      Glot 16 February 2016 10: 05
                      -8
                      Gee, a good cartoon. I watched it in childhood. laughing I remember that almost the whole class fled from school to him, to "Russia". laughing
                      Plus to you from me, for the memories.
                      But, this is not for me again.
                      I am not an enemy, I just do not like "uryakalok-hat-takers". They are the first traitors. Although, they are grinded under the urya if something happens ... But nevertheless. One must look at things soberly.
                      And the demolition of tents, this is not good. This is just a redistribution of the territory and no more.
                      You will understand later.
                      1. Baikonur
                        Baikonur 16 February 2016 10: 30
                        14
                        And the demolition of tents, this is not good. This is just a redistribution of the territory and no more.
                        You will understand later.
                        Understanding! These tents are dirt! anyway!!!
                        Even if it is a redistribution, then getting rid of this ugliness is GOOD !!!
                        Even if there is something else at this place. Anyway, Sobyanin will be more beautiful, more harmonious, more necessary! (By the way, there are already plans for simply landscaping this space!) So that you are terribly catching up in vain and not just like that! Namely what I said!
                        And the exclamations: "uryakalok-shapkozakidatel" I do not like. - Already zadolbali !!! 1000 times hurray, hurray, urrya-patriots here called people like you! recently in the same sticky languages ​​the word "shapkozakidateli" began to be frequent!
                        (They also tried to introduce the word "pathos" into the lexicon, although it did not fit the meaning very well!)
                        And I do not like new sprinkles! They are "latent liberals!"
                      2. Glot
                        Glot 16 February 2016 10: 41
                        -15 qualifying.
                        Understanding! These tents are dirt! anyway!!!
                        Even if it is a redistribution, then getting rid of this ugliness is GOOD !!!
                        Even if there is something else at this place. Anyway, Sobyanin will be more beautiful, more harmonious, more necessary! (By the way, there are already plans for simply landscaping this space!) So that you are terribly catching up in vain and not just like that! Namely what I said!
                        And the exclamations: "uryakalok-shapkozakidatel" I do not like. - Already zadolbali !!! 1000 times hurray, hurray, urrya-patriots here called people like you! recently in the same sticky languages ​​the word "shapkozakidateli" began to be frequent!
                        (They also tried to introduce the word "pathos" into the lexicon, although it did not fit the meaning very well!)
                        And I do not like new sprinkles! They are "latent liberals!"


                        Oh-oh-oh, eka hooked on you ... ZnachiTsTsa for sure, hit the point. laughing
                        Since you personally are dumbfounded to call a hat-taker and an ouriapatriot, then maybe you should think about your behavior, in words .. ?? AND ? laughing
                        The main thing you do not worry. Take care of your nerves And you still need them. laughing
                      3. Baikonur
                        Baikonur 16 February 2016 13: 07
                        +3
                        Quote: Gulp
                        Znachitstsa precisely, hit the point.
                        Not to the point, but to the brown hole all the liberals get!

                        PS: Judging by the number of your comments on the article, it was you who were hooked!

                        Quote: Gulp
                        Since you personally are dumbfounded to call a hat-taker and an uryapatriot
                        I was not talking about myself, but in general! About those who use the term "hurray-patriot", as it were, I am an URA-oppositionist!
                        Cheers patriots are good optimists!
                        And the Oppositionists are embittered, resentful (omitted) pessimistic liberals!
                      4. Glot
                        Glot 16 February 2016 13: 25
                        -5
                        Not to the point, but to the brown hole all the liberals get!


                        Well, I don’t know where you got there. If there, then I am very sorry but, with these conversations not to me. Sorry - straight.
                        Talk about "brown holes" with your friends. laughing

                        PS: Judging by the number of your comments on the article, it was you who were hooked!


                        Me? Not at all ... As I wrote above, these tents are a shit for me. In our area they have long been gone. Even before Sobyanin, everything was demolished.
                        I just expressed my opinion on this matter, in which I indicated that I did not trust what was happening and did not believe in the good intentions of those who were happy with it. And that’s it.
                        Do you see me so gullible? Oh yes ... see above, it is already broken. laughing

                        I am an URA oppositionist!
                        Cheers patriots are good optimists!
                        And the Oppositionists are embittered, resentful (omitted) pessimistic liberals!


                        Oops ... I don’t even want to comment on this. You yourself said everything about yourself. The word is not a sparrow. laughing
                      5. Baikonur
                        Baikonur 16 February 2016 15: 13
                        +4
                        Judging by the cons to my previous comment, and by your activation of "passivity", he and my first comment hit right on target!
                        Work in groups and various topics for 5 people. In each such group, there is a psychologist and analyst.
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                3. Mr. Pip
                  Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 11: 42
                  +5
                  Quote: Baikonur
                  Even if it is a redistribution, then getting rid of this ugliness is GOOD !!!
                  Even if there is something else at this place. Anyway, Sobyanin will be more beautiful, more harmonious, more necessary!

                  Here! Clever commentary of an intelligent person - it's hard to read the "horror stories" of local "liberal comrades" behind their chants-horror stories who are not able to understand the elementary - the city and Muscovites will only get better from the demolition IN ANY CASE, you walk the forest "liberoids" - now is 2016, who is still lives according to the "concepts" from the 90s, so get down on a time machine in the 90s, there you and a small business in tents and not at all small poop behind the tents fellow
                4. Seal
                  Seal 17 February 2016 08: 39
                  0
                  Hmm. Well, keep it in your memory. It's me to pick nick lol
                  http://www.nv.am/kurer/48727-2016-02-16-06-24-16
              2. reservist
                reservist 16 February 2016 12: 21
                +7
                Quote: Baikonur
                there are already plans for simply landscaping this space!

                well, maybe somewhere they will plant greenery, but near my metro station (not far from the Moscow Ring Road) everything was rolled into asphalt, now there are cars there ...

                though it all happened back in that year ...
                demolished suddenly, the merchants didn’t even have time to dismantle the equipment

                it seemed to me personally that the owner of the neighboring store was the winner from the demolition of the shopping pavilions, and the owners of the apartments on the ground floor of the nearest high-rise building ...

                the vacated place slowly begins to fill up with new stalls (though a little further from the entrance to the subway), to which the same traders return as before ...
              3. Villon
                Villon 16 February 2016 12: 33
                +2
                Quote: Baikonur
                These tents are dirt! anyway!!!
                Even if it is a redistribution, then getting rid of this ugliness is GOOD !!!
                Even if there is something else at this place.

                That's just what will be at this place, it all depends.

                Quote: Baikonur
                (By the way, there are already plans for simply landscaping this space!)

                I would like these plans to exist in reality. And I would like these plans to be realized.
              4. Glot
                Glot 16 February 2016 12: 56
                +2
                I would like these plans to exist in reality. And I would like these plans to be realized.


                Yeah, but in reality, instead of landscaping, paid parking lots will be stuck on these places and they will cut loot. laughing
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          2. varov14
            varov14 16 February 2016 12: 36
            +1
            Plant trees so that for the benefit of all and at a loss to all those who suffer freebie wealth.
          3. Irinach
            Irinach 16 February 2016 16: 18
            +3
            I do not agree with you, even if it is a redistribution of the territory. This is a blessing for residents of the districts. At Chistye Prudy it was wonderful !!! The Falcon has changed !!! The metro stations have become brighter and cleaner !!! Dobryninskaya acquired a decent view, leaving the subway you can see the Big Ordynka !!! Which was not visible because of any wretched buildings !!! I would very much like to have removed the building from glass ... with McDonalds together (so as not to stink) and cleaned Sretenka on still on Tverskaya .. But this is from the realm of fantasy
      2. alekc75
        alekc75 16 February 2016 10: 34
        -4
        do you have brains?
      3. voronbel53
        voronbel53 16 February 2016 10: 54
        +2
        He took off his glasses - and finally went blind, take a stick in his hands, what else can I advise ...
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    4. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 16 February 2016 10: 36
      +4
      Totally on your side. Moscow began to change for the better.
    5. Sergey Polt
      Sergey Polt 16 February 2016 11: 02
      +1
      Ten pluses - +++++++++++++
    6. Villon
      Villon 16 February 2016 12: 15
      12
      Quote: Baikonur
      Representatives of the STATE DEPARTMENT use all sorts of terms like "poverty of the people", "Plundered Russia." The topic of housing and communal services, pensions, benefits, medicine, education, police, financing of our regions and other countries, international issues, price increases, judicial system, ecology, etc. "

      Be carefull!

      Citizens, be vigilant! When people talk about housing and communal services, pensions, benefits, medicine, education, police, financing, interethnic issues, price increases, the judicial system, the environment, do not listen to you! These may be representatives of the State Department. And even better, not only do not listen, but do not have your opinion on these issues. How can you distinguish between what you really think and what the representatives of the State Department suggested to you?
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 16 February 2016 13: 32
        +4
        Right! The icicle fell - the State Department paid for the janitor, removed it on time, the gas exploded - the State Department persuaded the man to jerk himself for a mulion of bucks, gave a shit at the entrance - a special agent came ... and whoever writes about it - everything, everything is on his content. Everyone is directly transferred thousands of bucks "from there". Horror!
        1. No login
          No login 16 February 2016 14: 51
          +1
          Kalibr, Villon, as accurately noticed !! laughing Exactly
          1. Victor-M
            Victor-M 16 February 2016 16: 04
            +2
            Quote: No login
            Kalibr, Villon, as accurately noticed !! laughing Exactly

            Polish? laughing
          2. No login
            No login 16 February 2016 18: 05
            0
            Why are you blaming me for Poland?
      2. Victor-M
        Victor-M 16 February 2016 16: 04
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        Right! The icicle fell - the State Department paid for the janitor, removed it on time, the gas exploded - the State Department persuaded the man to jerk himself for a mulion of bucks, gave a shit at the entrance - a special agent came ... and whoever writes about it - everything, everything is on his content. Everyone is directly transferred thousands of bucks "from there". Horror!

        No you are mistaken, this is all Putin. laughing
  2. varov14
    varov14 16 February 2016 12: 33
    +6
    He put a plus, but this does not mean that there is no need to criticize the government, it is far from white and fluffy.
  • Maks-80
    Maks-80 16 February 2016 10: 11
    +6
    And you continue to watch TSN and listen to the Echo of Moscow, they will tell you the whole truth laughing
    1. Glot
      Glot 16 February 2016 10: 43
      +3
      And you continue to watch TSN and listen to the Echo of Moscow, they will tell you the whole truth


      And what is TSN? Sorry, but I don’t watch TV for a long time. Echo ... I heard it, but I did not listen and I do not listen.
      So, by. laughing
      1. n.kolesnichenko
        n.kolesnichenko 16 February 2016 18: 13
        +1
        Do you live in a complete information blockade? Poor thing ....
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    3. No login
      No login 16 February 2016 14: 59
      0
      And if you watch federal channels, you will only get what your soul needs - POSITIVE. And the negative brothers are all from the ̶l̶u̶k̶a̶v̶o̶g̶o̶ of the State Department
      1. Victor-M
        Victor-M 16 February 2016 16: 06
        +1
        Quote: No login
        And if you watch federal channels, you will only get what your soul needs - POSITIVE. And the negative brothers are all from the ̶l̶u̶k̶a̶v̶o̶g̶o̶ of the State Department

        So there is satellite TV, console yourself with slops. laughing
        1. No login
          No login 16 February 2016 18: 10
          0
          Yes, I feel good without slops.
  • avt
    avt 16 February 2016 10: 17
    12
    Quote: Glot
    In place of what will be demolished in speed, something new will appear. Do you think this "something" will magically appear out of thin air?

    When it appears, then shame your opponents, but I can judge my luck by the area around Cherkizon - NOTHING has appeared, but a ring railway is being built, conceived as a passenger railway under Nikolashka. Although there are still a couple of nasty places, and the AST stalls with a scorpion have not been demolished until after the closure of Cherkizon, well, they have already been demolished. By the way, shopping centers were also planned near stations - transfer hubs to the subway, however, business does not want to invest, the same one in the person of the Izmailov family, in addition to Cherkizon, T.Ts. "Moscow" and, Ptichki ", but actually swims in shares in the" European ", so it will definitely not be demolished laughing , kept a network of these stalls near the metro, for the protection of which in the late 80s the Moscow district cops actually fought with the metro. As a result, the metro stations fought back 50 meters around, like a "safety zone", but Gaev went to the street with stalls. And there is no need to powder your brain with "small business"! 90% it was black cash from which a good share flew off, again through the Izmailovs, Luzhka - to the "builder" and all the smaller. the sonorous surname of his wife - Kapone? .Do not know - the gerych "thrown" was returned to him? wassat
    Quote: Glot
    Comrade, my brother is sitting in the Moscow government

    Would you like to ask your brother? Well, if he found Luzhka’s reign? For the miracles at Baumansky, Cheremushinsky, and Danilovsky markets near Luzhka, did your brother tell you anything? Not in Kugs? I don’t want to argue about Moscow’s credits under Luzhka, because the answer is known in advance
    Quote: Glot
    I won’t even argue ... With whom?

    It is correct that Sobyanin blows gadyushnoko around the metro and also cleaned it inside, but it turned out to be weak in the passages. Although the animals hanging out and touching on something unknown on Komsomolskaya, both on the circular and on the radial, are not so noticeable.
    1. Glot
      Glot 16 February 2016 10: 47
      0
      When it appears, then shame your opponents


      I prefer to look a couple of steps forward.

      Do you want to ask your brother?


      We communicate a little, alas. He is TAM, and I work as a loader. You know different social status, it does not favor close communication. laughing

      It’s correct that Sobyanin gaddy blows around the subway and also cleaned inside


      GulushnikO demolish correctly, I do not argue. But ... Have you heard about good intentions and hell?
      1. avt
        avt 16 February 2016 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: Glot
        GulushnikO demolish correctly, I do not argue. But ... Have you heard about good intentions and hell?

        All !? And it's all !? And what? in the light
        Quote: Glot
        Oh, well, is crime hanging out around all the stalls?
        There was no one else besides the local gopota.

        It’s purely concrete to boggle about the glorious Luzhkov times, about the "Puddle", so be it - let’s skip, but about the purely cannibal guys from the "Russian gold" that near Kiev, higher up to the Student wholesaler, they were reluctant ?? And what about the Armenian boxer and the pavilions at VDNKh? Yes, in general, for "Said" in the north, northwest? Well, this is so, offhand without specifics and clean for seeding graters. laughing
        1. Glot
          Glot 16 February 2016 12: 54
          +2
          It’s purely concrete to boggle about the glorious Luzhkov times, about the "Puddle", so be it - let’s skip, but about the purely cannibal boys from the "Russian gold" that near Kievskoe higher up to the Student wholesaler they kept reluctance ?? And what about the Armenian boxer and the pavilions at VDNKh? Yes, in general, for "Said" in the north, northwest? Well, this is so, offhand without specifics and clean for seeding graters


          This is you forum, I think with the "arrow" or "grater" beguiled. It is for you to return back to your favorite 90s, to return to the Armenian boxers, said with the SZAO and others ... There you probably kept something clean, someone or, you were held for something I don’t know, but it’s not such a bazaar for normal people. laughing
          1. avt
            avt 16 February 2016 14: 07
            +1
            Quote: Glot
            about you forum I think with "arrow" or "grater" beguiled. It is for you to return back to your favorite 90s, to return to the Armenian boxers, said with SZAO and others ...

            Well, yes, yes .... Thoughtfully let vaapche and about anything in particular
            Quote: Glot
            I prefer to look a couple of steps forward.

            This ka-a-anesna
            Quote: Glot
            Yeah, but in reality, instead of landscaping, paid parking lots will be stuck on these places and they will cut loot.

            Just the truth in the womb
            Quote: Glot
            Oh-oh-oh, eka hooked on you ... ZnachiTsTsa for sure, hit the point.
            Since you personally are dumbfounded to call a hat-taker and an ouriapatriot, then maybe you should think about your behavior, in words .. ?? AND ?
            The main thing you do not worry. Take care of your nerves And you still need them

            Well, like this is ka-a-aneshna argument from the conservatory. laughingHere, the arrow "with the squirrel" is definitely not to be misled.
          2. Glot
            Glot 16 February 2016 14: 53
            0
            Well, yes, yes .... Thoughtfully let vaapche and about anything in particular


            Oh, oh my dear, you look, I’ve already taken my various answers, you weren’t even addressed to collect, and it’s kind of like answering them ... laughing
            Maybe then you will collect everything at all, but publish a quote from Gom? laughing
            "Quotes from Glot. Required to read!" laughing
            Hmm ... what can I say ... Let me remind you:
            - Do not make yourself an idol! wink
      2. Seal
        Seal 17 February 2016 08: 40
        0
        About these more for example:
        http://www.nv.am/kurer/48727-2016-02-16-06-24-16
    2. varov14
      varov14 16 February 2016 12: 56
      +1
      What prevents your public from voting, not against the demolition of tents, but for the green areas, millions of you are not in the way. I have nothing to worry about, I looked out the window, through the pond a beautiful mountain, taiga, now I’ll go out into the street, after 400m I’ll go down to the pond, there is a pine-birch forest, a health path, I’ll walk my 10000 steps and I don’t care about your stalls.
    3. Victor-M
      Victor-M 16 February 2016 16: 07
      0
      Quote: Glot
      I work as a loader

      Makarevich’s? laughing
      1. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 16: 41
        +1
        Quote: Victor-M
        Makarevich’s?

        No, he wears girls after a hard day laughing
  • antoXa
    antoXa 16 February 2016 17: 04
    +4
    Glot
    Why do geniuses like you always have the BIGGEST argument: "Read more newspapers, watch TV, federal channels, they will explain everything to you ..."
    Not a single argument is shorter ... What kind of debts did Sobyanin have? Who will he give them to and how will he personally incur debts or is it still the debts of the Moscow government? Then what does the idea of ​​stealing money during demolition and construction ???

    According to the article
    Usually I like what Volodin Aleksey writes, but somehow it seems to me that he went too far ... Everywhere it’s talking about demolition of samostroy and stalls - this is not entirely objective, I work at Krasnopresnenskaya, three restaurants are demolished, two of which were occupied by large chain restaurants, the buildings were capital and several floors. I’m almost sure that large restaurant chains are quite thoughtful about the issue of renting premises. As far as I remember, leaving the work in the evening the restaurants were still working and the removal of property was not observed, and after 3-4 hours the demolition began ... And here I really want to ask a question, but what have the businessmen who suffered serious losses from such an action ?? ???
    Perhaps this demolition was really necessary, but I personally would have it all go in a civilized manner and as costly as possible for all parties. Because, in addition to business losses, there is also no information about how much money was spent from the budget for this share, I think not a little.
    I would like that the Moscow government would no less loudly and pompously deal with the debriefing, on the basis of which and by whom the certificates of ownership for demolished objects were issued, the otmaz type all this in shaggy years seems to me not sufficient justification, since many of those registrars even now sit in armchairs and possibly higher.
    For the positive, I heard the news about the purchase by the government of Moscow of trade pavilions that will be owned by the city and will be rented out, a good inflow of funds to the budget is forecasted on this, God forbid, if such work is done and the outlets necessary for walking distance will work in more civilized and bring revenue to the budget.
    1. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 17: 45
      +1
      Quote: antoXa
      large chain of restaurants to the issue of rental premises are well thought out.

      There franchises, they can sometimes cut just like that yes
      1. antoXa
        antoXa 16 February 2016 18: 59
        -1
        Mr. Pip
        I don't think Molly Gwins Franchise Pub is functioning
        1. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 19: 33
          0
          Quote: antoXa
          I don't think Molly Gwins Franchise Pub is functioning

          And I did not think, but checked - the right to the brand "Molly Gwynns" belongs to LLC "ROMASHKA MANAGEMENT" - the founder is a citizen of the Russian Federation in the amount of 1 person - and the most interesting thing is that OKVED 74.14 (Consulting on commercial activities and management) hi
          1. antoXa
            antoXa 17 February 2016 12: 40
            0
            Mr. Pip
            And does it prove that this is a franchise?
  • n.kolesnichenko
    n.kolesnichenko 16 February 2016 18: 06
    +1
    All plebeians, and you, apparently, from the patricians !!!
  • Seal
    Seal 16 February 2016 22: 10
    0
    Demolition is the money that is allocated to it, which

    What which .. Which of the air appear? Or do you think that it is S. Sobyanin who knocked out a federal transfer for the demolition of stalls?
    In place of what will be drifting in speed, something new will appear.

    And if you don’t appear, you have something to answer for the words?
    But to press the authority of his brother sitting in the Moscow Government against me is useless. My organization wanted to take your Meadow for one place when he still steered the Mosagroprom. Yes, it turned out to be slippery. In my direction, his deputy Oleg Virichev (or Virechev, I don’t remember years ago) covered himself well. For others - other deputies.
    So, I will not argue with you. Because for me - certainly not with anyone negative
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  • Hon
    Hon 16 February 2016 10: 46
    +3
    Quote: Seal
    Excuse me, but what, according to your brother, the demolitions of the stalls give some profit to the Moscow Government?

    There nifiga not stalls, but quite a capital building, registered and with certificates of law. And the profit is simple, the lack of competition in the real estate market. Mr. Sobyanin upon arrival, increased the cost of rent, naturally, those wishing to rent premises decreased, ran across the area that Moscow does not belong to. And Moscow needs money, moving tiles three times a year is expensive
    1. Seal
      Seal 17 February 2016 08: 51
      0
      Yes, right rental rates Sobyanin increased. More precisely, it would be more correct to say that he did not increase them, but legalized them. In fact, the rents were physically approximately the same, only 1/3 went to the cash register of the Moscow Government, and 2/3 went to the official’s pocket. Sobyanin changed the situation and did, well, somewhere around 80% to 20%. That is, the real increase was 15-20%.
      And with the tile, of course I agree - a complete jamb. In London, tiles are generally laid with the butt. 500 years will stand idle - will not be erased. And pretty rough.
      1. Hon
        Hon 17 February 2016 11: 03
        0
        Quote: Seal
        Yes, right rental rates Sobyanin increased. More precisely, it would be more correct to say that he did not increase them, but legalized them. In fact, the rents were physically approximately the same, only 1/3 went to the cash register of the Moscow Government, and 2/3 went to the official’s pocket. Sobyanin changed the situation and did, well, somewhere around 80% to 20%. That is, the real increase was 15-20%.
        And with the tile, of course I agree - a complete jamb. In London, tiles are generally laid with the butt. 500 years will stand idle - will not be erased. And pretty rough.

        I don’t know what he legalized there, but a friend in Zelenograd had a small furniture store, in the basement of a large store, after she introduced new rental rates, she closed the business
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 16 February 2016 10: 35
    +1
    They poured salt on the tail of the brother?
    1. Glot
      Glot 16 February 2016 10: 49
      +2
      They poured salt on the tail of the brother?


      No. He is in chocolate. He was in chocolate when he was at the Meadow, and there is at Sobyanin and will be after him. laughing
      It’s hard to pour salt onto this tail.
      But, I would like to look at it. You see, he could become humanized. laughing laughing
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  • valerii41
    valerii41 16 February 2016 10: 49
    +2
    Sir, enlighten us with your "I know a little", otherwise the whole dark mass only minus
    1. Glot
      Glot 16 February 2016 10: 50
      +2
      Sir, enlighten us with your "I know a little", otherwise the whole dark mass only minus


      Minus in the dark. So, out of the dark, not so scary. laughing
  • n.kolesnichenko
    n.kolesnichenko 16 February 2016 18: 04
    0
    Citizen, are you an adviser to both Luzhkov and Sobyanin?
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  • Seal
    Seal 16 February 2016 09: 13
    10
    under Meadow there was no debt

    Good joke. Thank. He laughed. wink wink
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 16 February 2016 09: 25
    +4
    Under Meadow there was no debt because there was no accounting.
    They carried directly Meadow bypassing the state pocket.
    1. Glot
      Glot 16 February 2016 09: 32
      0
      Under Meadow there was no debt because there was no accounting.
      They carried directly Meadow bypassing the state pocket.


      Yes, right in your pocket. Duc, and this too. Only he was already full, and this appetite is in full swing.
      So, do not shout "Hurray, well done", and then when all the dogs are lowered on him as on Meadow, the uryakalka will have to turn their horns 180 degrees. laughing
      1. valerii41
        valerii41 16 February 2016 11: 33
        +1
        Duc sir gulp you are a great specialist in catching the hand? I remember how the factories were closed and the smart management threw the workers out into the street like rubbish I know in my own skin. Lived near the market saw imported "entrepreneurs" Saw bad pictures; in the store, the grandmothers stand in line, the "entrepreneur" enters the line normally, it comes to the seller and another line immediately forms and these grannies stand hunched over, and many of their sons and husbands were killed or crippled in the mine when three hundred market owners did not pass the line of these will not move. But when an official comes to the market, what kind of handshakes, hugs, there is brotherly love. Correctly, that these shitters were swept away
  • ferdiperdozzz
    ferdiperdozzz 16 February 2016 09: 39
    +5
    There was no such debt under Luzhka that Mr. Kuznetsov is still hiding abroad. Google riggroups of blacksmiths, etc.
    1. Seal
      Seal 16 February 2016 22: 21
      0
      There was no such debt under Luzhka that Mr. Kuznetsov is still hiding abroad. Google riggroups of blacksmiths, etc.

      As I noted above, at the end of Luzhka’s reign, Moscow’s debt exceeded a quarter of the capital’s budget. I just gave the figures for the year and a half before removing Meadow -23% of the budget. But Kuznetsov is absolutely out of business here. Moscow is not its glade at all. Kuznetsov is the Moscow region.
      1. ferdiperdozzz
        ferdiperdozzz 17 February 2016 15: 32
        0
        Quote: Seal
        Kuznetsov is the Moscow region.

        Well, I agree, legally it is, here I am wrong. But I think that the connection was too close to one another, and the RiGroups had all the offices in Moscow and there were people from there, and not from the region.
  • snifer
    snifer 16 February 2016 10: 33
    +8
    Just a business or anything personal
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 16 February 2016 10: 34
    0
    Facts to the studio !!! Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing the battle from the side! You have not poisoned yet, then we will go to you !!!
  • Homo
    Homo 16 February 2016 11: 17
    0
    Quote: Glot
    Sobyanin just doesn't know how to get the money out of it. Upon the arrival of loans, he scored, drove the Moscow government into debt (there was no debt under Luzhka), but the money must be given, but then it is not ... So it started, payment for parking, demolition of stalls, all kinds of "repair work" and so on etc.
    That's all.

    You also read my previous comment.
  • varov14
    varov14 16 February 2016 12: 25
    +2
    I can not tolerate the "state" in the state, but here clearly a good deed is done, the garbage must be removed.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 February 2016 18: 52
      0
      Such buildings in Moscow left to demolish several tens of thousands and several hundred thousand stalls - which also do not know what they sell.
  • atalef
    atalef 16 February 2016 07: 50
    +9
    Quote: Finches
    ! In addition to the demolition of illegally built stalls

    very strange . mean stalls. which seem to have been illegally built in the 90s (but which today have all the permissions). including court decisions in one day. by the movement of someone’s magic wand were not legal.
    and the results of privatization in the same 90s when hundreds of billions were stolen. fragmented and taken away from impoverished people - not subject to revision.
    Do not find those lt you. that all these announcements are nothing more than a redistribution of a piece of cake, the very same privatizers who can’t get drunk at all?
    Quote: Finches
    And you can safely start with Luzhkov and his trembling wife

    Well, of course . Sobyanin and his trembling wife are much different from the previous couple.
    Quote: Finches
    And so, today they demolished here today - tomorrow they will build there

    That's it, the one who needs it. build it there tomorrow - and the people will applaud, until the next change of mayor
    Quote: Finches
    It reminds me more that elections soon and a loud action for Sobyanin and "United Russia" in the capital will not hurt ....

    it is more like that. that interests small businesses. not the implications of private property. court decisions, etc. - the whole gang didn’t give a damn. it will be so.
    _Tomorrow anyone under the guise of not legality. without any evidence. at night . by the decision of one person they will be flabbergasted. will lose income. and there’s nowhere to complain.
    And you declare. that the privatization of the 90s was not legal - you’ll go to the zone or be ranked as the 5th column.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 16 February 2016 08: 17
      10
      Quote: atalef
      mean stalls. which were kind of illegally built in the 90s

      Fuck that "stall".

      Maybe IT was, in the 90s, a stall, but what has grown has grown.
      1. atalef
        atalef 16 February 2016 08: 28
        +2
        Quote: GRAY
        Quote: atalef
        mean stalls. which were kind of illegally built in the 90s

        Fuck that "stall".

        Maybe IT was, in the 90s, a stall, but what has grown has grown.

        I will not give a great example. in haifa, they began to dig a tunnel under the city for cars to travel from north to south.
        Yes, that's not the problem. in the place of the northern exit of the tunnel (on the mountainside). For 30 years there was a Bedouin tent. they grazed their goats there.
        Of course, this was not only illegal. but in general it was not any capital construction. the tent in which the Bedouins still prefer to live.
        and so, the construction stalled for a year and a half, because they categorically refused to leave. saying one simple thing. we graze here for 30 years. the municipality did not touch us. IT MEANS LEGAL. and in terms of time we have rights to this piece of land.
        the courts went sweat of the year. the municipality paid rabid grandmothers both for simple work and for legal costs 9 the Bedouins certainly had a free lawyer because they are poor and miserable). Having received a settlement. more than 1.2 million dollars. Bedouins agreed to vacate the site.
        The municipality lost all the courts and paid all the costs.
        about the same thing was when trying to demolish a non-legal stall. when expanding the road. etc.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 16 February 2016 09: 05
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          I will not give a big example

          Eh Sanya you are funny people to her, to her. In our city they were building an interchange and one poz. the fashionable one bought a house and did not let it be demolished, creating a situevina similar to yours, listen further as it was - they burned the hut and made such a "profitable" offer to the Pose that he was piled out of the city without slippers lol
          Here is the triumph of justice turns out ....
          1. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 16 February 2016 09: 30
            +4
            Well, right. Well, at least they didn’t shoot.
            The Bedouins, by the way, are an interesting example. By the way, we also have some Bedouins in stalls. Moreover, the ethnic mafia squeezed entire neighborhoods. Now she is howling.
            1. atalef
              atalef 16 February 2016 09: 46
              +2
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              Well, right. Well, at least they didn’t shoot.
              The Bedouins, by the way, are an interesting example. By the way, we also have some Bedouins in stalls. Moreover, the ethnic mafia squeezed entire neighborhoods. Now she is howling.

              But this is not a mafia, who thought 30 years ago that there would be an exit from the tunnel? Here I took a picture 3 minutes ago - a slope, and even between 2 x roads
              1. Seal
                Seal 17 February 2016 19: 48
                0
                Sorry, off topic, just curious. On the slope left and right above the tunnel - is this an Arab neighborhood?
        2. GRAY
          GRAY 16 February 2016 09: 07
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          The municipality lost all the courts and paid all the costs.
          about the same thing was when trying to demolish a non-legal stall. when expanding the road. etc.
          Savages.
          They didn’t agree on an ordinary money divorce without trial, because the Bedouins asked for a lama for each goat.
          about the same thing was when trying to demolish a non-legal stall.

          I’m leaving for Tel Aviv, I have already come up with a cheap stall project (from cardboard), I will sculpt them anywhere and grandmother to tear from the municipalities who want to remove them - witnesses who will claim that the stall has been standing here for 30 years, I’ll take a share.
          Oh, heal!
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 16 February 2016 09: 10
            +3
            Quote: GRAY
            Oh, heal!

            They will burn it and say that the terrorists did :-)
          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 16 February 2016 09: 19
            +1
            Quote: GRAY
            I already came up with a cheap stall project (from cardboard), I will sculpt them anywhere and grandmas to tear

            The point is small - hold out for 30 years)))
            1. GRAY
              GRAY 16 February 2016 09: 25
              +3
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              The point is small - hold out for 30 years)))

              What for? There are people who have already held out. In an Israeli court believe the word the main thing is the testimony.
        3. max702
          max702 16 February 2016 10: 02
          +3
          Regarding your example with the Bedouins, it seems to me it was such a technical cut .. I do not know whether through a lawyer or the Bedouins were "in the subject", but the fact that there were "interesting" people behind them, I am sure, consider that they made a gesheft from scratch .. I do not believe I'm when the state is affected. interests of who will look at what, then there was an opportunity to easily cut down the dough, so they cut it down, 1.2 million + legal costs .. The amount for Israel is penny and for whom it is very good, so they remembered the letter of the law .. In my opinion, this is hypocrisy and rhetoric ..
          1. atalef
            atalef 16 February 2016 10: 19
            -1
            Quote: max702
            Regarding your example with the Bedouins, it seems to me it was such a technical cut .. I do not know whether through a lawyer or the Bedouins were "in the subject", but the fact that there were "interesting" people behind them, I am sure, consider that they made a gesheft from scratch .. I do not believe I'm when the state is affected. interests of who will look at what, then there was an opportunity to easily cut down the dough, so they cut it down, 1.2 million + legal costs .. The amount for Israel is penny and for whom it is very good, so they remembered the letter of the law .. In my opinion, this is hypocrisy and rhetoric ..

            Well, yes, our former prime minister sat down in prison for a smaller amount.
            Rressa digs up, then do not wash off
            1. evil partisan
              evil partisan 16 February 2016 10: 35
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Rressa digs up, then do not wash off

              Rressa began to dig. yes
              Your actions Colleague? winked
              I sent the numbers of my account and card to the PM. repeat I take in any currency. even in hryvnia.yes
              Hi, righteous man! drinks
              1. atalef
                atalef 16 February 2016 11: 24
                0
                Quote: wicked partisan
                Quote: atalef
                Rressa digs up, then do not wash off

                Rressa began to dig. yes
                Your actions Colleague? winked
                I sent the numbers of my account and card to the PM. repeat I take in any currency. even in hryvnia.yes
                Hi, righteous man! drinks

                Yes, I myself would have pilanul something, but I don’t know who to turn to, in my position you will not earn anything except hemorrhoids
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 16 February 2016 13: 15
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  , in my position, apart from hemorrhoids, you won’t earn anything

                  Sanya, you pour electricity into a jar and everything will be in chocolate ..))
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 16 February 2016 13: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: afdjhbn67
                    Quote: atalef
                    , in my position, apart from hemorrhoids, you won’t earn anything

                    Sanya, you pour electricity into a jar and everything will be in chocolate ..))


                    Electricity in chocolate --- a dream. drinks
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 16 February 2016 13: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: afdjhbn67
                    Quote: atalef
                    , in my position, apart from hemorrhoids, you won’t earn anything

                    Sanya, you pour electricity into a jar and everything will be in chocolate ..))


                    Electricity in chocolate --- a dream. drinks
            2. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 10: 48
              -2
              Quote: atalef
              Our former prime minister sat down in prison for a smaller amount.

              Have you seen how and where he "sat"? Probably sits in 17 rooms with a pool and drinks a cocktail from a straw wassat
              1. atalef
                atalef 16 February 2016 11: 26
                +1
                Quote: Mr PIP
                Quote: atalef
                Our former prime minister sat down in prison for a smaller amount.

                Have you seen how and where he "sat"? Probably sits in 17 rooms with a pool and drinks a cocktail from a straw wassat

                Normally sat down, jail, though due to security problems and knowledge of state secrets is sitting in a separate cell
                1. Mr. Pip
                  Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 11: 46
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  the truth is because of security problems and knowledge of state secrets is sitting in a separate cell

                  Well, yes, yes, and how much will this "separate cell" cost an ordinary convict? laughing
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 16 February 2016 11: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Mr PIP
                    Quote: atalef
                    the truth is because of security problems and knowledge of state secrets is sitting in a separate cell

                    Well, yes, yes, and how much will this "separate cell" cost an ordinary convict? laughing

                    prison is like a prison, nor is he the first. We have a former president sitting and a couple of ministers.
                    1. Mr. Pip
                      Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 12: 10
                      -1
                      Quote: atalef
                      We have a former president sitting and a couple of ministers.

                      And what should this tell me that you have a thief in the government and each following is engaged in redistribution after the previous one ?! laughing
                      Quote: atalef
                      prison as prison

                      Yeah, with caviar and girls every 3 days - we know how "ministers" sit - God forbid everyone to live as they sit! fellow
                    2. afdjhbn67
                      afdjhbn67 16 February 2016 13: 16
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      prison is like a prison, nor is he the first. We have a former president sitting and a couple of ministers.

                      Do not pour salt on our wounds ... crying lol
                    3. atalef
                      atalef 16 February 2016 13: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: afdjhbn67
                      Quote: atalef
                      prison is like a prison, nor is he the first. We have a former president sitting and a couple of ministers.

                      Do not pour salt on our wounds ... crying lol

                      Prison "Maasiyagu", Olmert will serve his term with 4 accomplices in the case of "Holiland" and 12 more prisoners, found guilty of economic crimes. The list of the ex-prime minister's "neighbors" was approved by the Shabak.

                      Before leaving for prison, Olmert published a video in which he stressed that he denied all charges against him. At the same time, he noted that he accepts the punishment imposed by the court, and this is "the hardest day" in his life.


                      By the way, he received bribes, being the mayor of Jerusalem, then he went into politics, but no matter how much rope you curl
                      Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert arrived on Monday at the Maasiyahu Prison in the small town of Ramle near Tel Aviv. Here he will spend 19 months for receiving bribes in exchange for assistance in the construction of the prestigious Holyland residential complex in Jerusalem

                      Is it interesting who will be planted from the Moscow City Hall?
                    4. afdjhbn67
                      afdjhbn67 16 February 2016 14: 01
                      +2
                      Quote: atalef
                      Is it interesting who will be planted from the Moscow City Hall?

                      Babu Manya, a cleaning lady, for stealing laundry detergent and toilet paper ...
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      2. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 10: 47
        0
        Quote: max702
        Regarding your example with the Bedouins, it seems to me it was such a technical cut.

        Think absolutely correctly - only the naive will believe that they could not bear so much time, although there are exactly the same ones felled with mortars nearby wassat
        1. atalef
          atalef 16 February 2016 11: 28
          0
          Quote: Mr PIP
          Quote: max702
          Regarding your example with the Bedouins, it seems to me it was such a technical cut.

          Think absolutely correctly - only the naive will believe that they could not bear so much time, although there are exactly the same ones felled with mortars nearby wassat

          Bullshit, in Haifa in the lower city the ruins of the Arabs who escaped in 1967 are still not being demolished, you can only demolish it if you don’t claim the rights to the house for 50 years, they’re standing, maybe they will demolish it in 2017
          1. Mr. Pip
            Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 11: 49
            -2
            Quote: atalef
            in Haifa, in the lower city, the ruins of the Arabs who escaped in 1967 can still not be demolished because you can only demolish it if you don’t claim the rights to the house for 50 years,

            But this is just the same nonsense! 50 years, damn it, the heirs will appear, but give them a "percentage" for demolition - why should normal people put up with this garbage - for the sake of Israel's image as "the dirtiest city on the planet"?
            1. atalef
              atalef 16 February 2016 11: 52
              +2
              Quote: Mr PIP
              Quote: atalef
              in Haifa, in the lower city, the ruins of the Arabs who escaped in 1967 can still not be demolished because you can only demolish it if you don’t claim the rights to the house for 50 years,

              But this is just the same nonsense! 50 years, damn it, the heirs will appear, but give them a "percentage" for demolition - why should normal people put up with this garbage - for the sake of Israel's image as "the dirtiest city on the planet"?


              For the sake of privacy, the rule of law.
              Well, you are unlikely to understand this.
              1. Mr. Pip
                Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 12: 52
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Well, you are unlikely to understand this.

                Firstly, I don’t need to poke me, keep yourself in control - Jews must be patient and patient - you have enough stress in your homeland even without news from Russia wassat
                Quote: atalef
                For the sake of privacy, the rule of law.

                I perfectly understand and respect this - and if you are so smart, explain:
                1. What private property right can be talked about on the territory LEASED from the municipality ?! wassat
                2. There are reasons and methods for acquiring and alienating property rights, in particular, in the legislation of the Russian Federation, there are different ones - whether or not the right-generating legal facts were in this case, name them.
                3. Is the demolition of an UNREGISTRED CONSTRUCTION PROCEDURE a violation of the same clause 17 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, namely, "No one should be arbitrarily deprived of his property" (which one you refer to) - if the legislation of the Russian Federation initially provides for the demolition of unregistered in the established the order of buildings by the decision of the executive authorities (with PRELIMINARY NOTICE, that is, the provision of an opportunity to correct violations) and there is an appropriate law-applicable practice on this issue, including the decisions of the RF Armed Forces, and what kind of ARBITRARY demolition can we talk about ?! wassat
                4. Do you know about liability for officials for illegal demolition of buildings?
                5. If you are not able to answer the first 4 questions, what have you forgotten about this topic ?! request
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                2. atalef
                  atalef 16 February 2016 13: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  I perfectly understand and respect this - and if you are so smart, explain: 1. What kind of private property right can be talked about on the territory LEASED from the municipality ?!

                  In particular, it is not entirely clear whether the administrative procedure for demolition is subject to application to the objects, the record of the ownership of which is included in the USRR. Indeed, by virtue of Art. 2 of the Federal Law "On Registration of Rights to Real Estate", a registered right to real estate can be challenged only in court. Equally interesting is the possibility of using the administrative order for those buildings, the limitation period for the demolition of which has expired. I am personally inclined to believe that in both cases the provisions of paragraph 4 of Art. 222 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation are not applicable ",

                  The mayor's office was not embarrassed by the fact that some of the buildings were registered as property, and that the owners of some of them had repeatedly proved in court that they were not unauthorized buildings. According to the public organization of small and medium-sized businesses "Support of Russia", 27 out of 104 objects have court decisions on the absence of unauthorized construction. For example, LLC "Yuka" - the owner of the pavilions near the metro station "Krasnopresnenskaya" back in 2014 confirmed the legality of their placement in the Arbitration Court of the Moscow District, follows from the materials of the case No. А40-44702 / 2013

                  CJSC Albatross, the owner of the shopping center of the same name near the metro station Shchelkovskaya, got into a similar situation. On January 20 of this year, the AU MO admitted that it cannot be called an unauthorized construction. "The disputed object cannot be considered as an unauthorized construction, since a new real estate object did not arise, the structural characteristics of the objects have not changed, the area of ​​construction of buildings and the volume of buildings have not changed," - said in the resolution on case No. А40-135519 / 13. On the same day, the company was denied interim measures on the same grounds (case No. А40-7682 / 2016).
                3. Mr. Pip
                  Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 13: 51
                  -1
                  Quote: atalef
                  I personally am inclined to the fact that in both cases the provisions of paragraph 4 of Art. 222 of the Civil Code are not applicable

                  Yes, of course, referring to the official statements of lawyers - ALWAYS representing the point of view of the companies that bought them, this is of course ARGUMENT wassat
                  The funny thing is that you gave me this "argument" laughing
                  Quote: atalef
                  follows from the materials of the case No. A40-44702 / 2013

                  Yeah, from the materials of the case it follows, for example, that the law "limits the period for filing such a claim by the general statute of limitations" - that is, it expired even under Luzhkov, under which all this was arbitrarily built fellow
                  You will be raped, and when the hooligans are found and released - because the "statute of limitations" - just try to take revenge on them laughing
                  In general, in secret, one judge and the court is not yet an indicator of truth bully
                  PS In general, you are a complete NUB, throw the official statements of the lawyers of the "injured party" to the same NUBs like you - you could not answer a single question hi
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                5. atalef
                  atalef 16 February 2016 14: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  Yes, of course, referring to the official statements of lawyers - ALWAYS representing the point of view of the companies that bought them, this is of course ARGUMENT

                  Well, you have zero arguments at all
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  Yeah, from the materials of the case it follows, for example, that the law "limits the period for filing such a claim by the general statute of limitations" - that is, it expired even under Luzhkov, under which all this was arbitrarily built

                  Of course, in accordance with the law
                  It was not built without permission, is there any solution or with the concept of a read problem?
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  You will be raped, and when the hooligans are found and released - because the "statute of limitations" - just try to take revenge on them

                  baby talk.
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  In general, in secret, one judge and the court is not yet an indicator of truth

                  Well, of course, still according to the law
                6. Mr. Pip
                  Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 14: 24
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, you have zero arguments at all

                  Well, yes, answer at least one question to talk about who owns the arguments.
                  Quote: atalef
                  It was not built without permission, is there any solution or with the concept of a read problem?

                  I don't have problems here, only those who worked according to the "gray" schemes - those who worked according to the "black" schemes have already been nailed, the last vestiges of the 90s are left to do. fellow
                  Quote: atalef
                  baby talk.

                  Here you are absolutely certain about yourself - I respect honest people hi
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, of course, still according to the law

                  Well, of course, judges are never mistaken, and still do not take bribes - what is asked and what for in the law courts are of different instances and what for generally the right to appeal? request
                7. atalef
                  atalef 16 February 2016 14: 30
                  +3
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  Well, yes, answer at least one question to talk about who owns the arguments

                  Everything is written there, the court found the buildings legal and the case numbers are given.

                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  I don't have problems here, only those who worked according to the "gray" schemes - those who worked according to the "black" schemes have already been nailed, the last vestiges of the 90

                  Therefore, the court in 2015 declared them legal, you are a fat trolley.
                  Or a court order for the city hall is not a decree?
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  Well, of course, judges are never mistaken, and still do not take bribes - what is asked and what for in the law courts are of different instances and what for generally the right to appeal?

                  Indeed, and that this city hall did not bother with appealing the court decision?
                  Probably decided that everything like them - bribe takers (including the constitutional one) - and just stupidly in violation of all laws and norms - was demolished.
                8. Mr. Pip
                  Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 17: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Everything is written there, the court found the buildings legal and the case numbers are given.

                  No, if the court briefly declared the buildings illegal, but refused the plaintiff because of the expired statute of limitations.
                  Quote:
                  "The court has not been presented with evidence of obtaining the necessary permits for the construction of the disputed object"
                  Proof:
                  http://docs.cntd.ru/document/470452104
                  Or tell you how they received a certificate of ownership of the buildings built WITHOUT PERMISSIONS in the meadow? Can you understand this ?! laughing
                  Quote: atalef
                  Or a court order for the city hall is not a decree?

                  In this case, YES is not a decree.
                  Because the court found the buildings illegal, but refused the plaintiff because of the expired statute of limitations after which the mayor's office, on the basis of the Civil Code, demolished everything to hell, since the "tent" does not have evidence of the necessary permits for the construction of the disputed facility and she cannot appeal the actions of the city hall - you are a complete NUB in jurisprudence laughing
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          2. Hon
            Hon 16 February 2016 14: 02
            +1
            Quote: Mr. PIP
            Yeah, from the materials of the case it follows, for example, that the law "limits the period for filing such a claim by the general statute of limitations" - that is, it expired even under Luzhkov, under which all this was arbitrarily built
            You will be raped, and when the hooligans are found and released - because the "statute of limitations" - just try to take revenge on them
            In general, in secret, one judge and the court is not yet an indicator of truth
            PS In general, you are a complete NUB, throw the official statements of the lawyers of the "injured party" to the same NUBs like you - you could not answer a single question

            and you propose not to abide by the laws?
            "There is no law in Russia
            In Russia - the pillar is
            The law is nailed to a pillar
            And on the pillar is a crown ... "
          3. Mr. Pip
            Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 14: 24
            -2
            Quote: Hon
            and you propose not to abide by the laws?

            I suggest they not be manipulated hi
          4. atalef
            atalef 16 February 2016 14: 32
            +1
            Quote: Mr PIP
            Quote: Hon
            and you propose not to abide by the laws?

            I suggest they not be manipulated hi

            And this should be decided by the TC court in the presence of a property dispute and the only place where this is resolved is the court.
            Was the court ruling in favor of the city hall? Not - it means the demolition is not legal. IMHO,
          5. Mr. Pip
            Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 17: 06
            -2
            Quote: atalef
            then demolition is not legal

            It’s legal - I wrote down why why, why you always argue with me - what do you have to do with this topic? request
        2. Hon
          Hon 16 February 2016 14: 36
          +3
          Quote: Mr. PIP
          I suggest they not be manipulated

          but they are not being manipulated, they are being followed, there is a limitation period, it was established by the law of the Russian Federation. the fact that now Sobyanin is a strong-willed decision in violation of the law and court decisions (court decisions are issued in the name of the Russian Federation and the fact that they are not put in anything, means that the Russian Federation is not put in anything), gave the command to demolish the buildings, Moscow may leave sideways. Since in the future, damages can be lost, well, so 20-30 billion rubles will be shipped from the budget.
          If Sobyanin were not from the untouchable caste, now he would have already under Art. 286 of the Criminal Code gave explanations.
        3. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 17: 11
          -1
          Quote: Hon
          Now Sobyanin is a strong-willed decision in violation of the law and court decisions

          Strong-willed? Of course. Bypassing current legislation? No.
          Quote: Hon
          may go sideways to Moscow. Since in the future, damages can be lost, well, so 20-30 billion rubles will be shipped from the budget.

          The budget of Moscow for 2015 is 1.5 trillion rubles.
          And you, too, are NUB, unaware of the real scale of the "problem" - it has been sucked out of the finger by "liberoids from the STATE DEPARTMENT, Anal and Ko-Ko-Ko"
        4. Hon
          Hon 16 February 2016 17: 28
          +2
          Quote: Mr. PIP
          Bypassing current legislation? No.

          On the basis of what law, without a court decision, would it be possible to demolish buildings that have owners, are registered, and with certificates issued?
          Quote: Mr. PIP
          The budget of Moscow for 2015 is 1.5 trillion rubles.
          And you, too, are NUB, unaware of the real scale of the "problem" - it has been sucked out of the finger by "liberoids from the STATE DEPARTMENT, Anal and Ko-Ko-Ko"

          Believe me, Moscow now has every billion in the bill, it is not in vain that the savings on medicine, an increase in rents (two times), fare, etc.
          The capital’s revenues will amount to 1,598 trillion rubles, expenses - 1,646 trillion rubles, deficit - 47,884 billion rubles.
          The scale of the problem is small, now it remains to lose the courts and pay compensation to the owners of the buildings.
        5. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 17: 52
          -1
          Quote: Hon
          On the basis of what law, without a court decision, would it be possible to demolish buildings that have owners, are registered, and with certificates issued?

          Approx.
          On the basis of what law will the "owners" demand compensation for damage for the demolition of buildings for the construction of which on the territory leased from the municipality they did not receive permission from the municipality? wassat
          And now, they themselves have to bring claims, on their shoulders and all the evidence laughing
          Quote: Hon
          it remains to lose the courts and pay the owners of the buildings compensation.

          Tales are everything - they won’t get anything - I guarantee it hi
        6. Hon
          Hon 16 February 2016 18: 00
          +1
          Quote: Mr. PIP
          Approx.
          On the basis of what law will the "owners" demand compensation for damage for the demolition of buildings for the construction of which on the territory leased from the municipality they did not receive permission from the municipality?
          And now, they themselves have to bring claims, on their shoulders and all the evidence

          firstly, it’s not the fact that they didn’t receive it, and secondly, when the property is registered, it no longer has any legal significance whether it was a permit or not, this can justify a lawsuit to declare buildings illegal, but these courts have already been lost.
          Half of the essence, the illegal actions of the Moscow government, the legal owners suffered damage, and believe me, there is no legal chance to get court decisions in favor of Moscow.
          Quote: Mr. PIP
          Tales are everything - they won’t get anything - I guarantee it

          if only the Moscow authorities can put pressure on the court, which is a crime against the state
        7. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 18: 26
          -2
          Quote: Hon
          secondly, when the property is registered, it no longer has any legal significance, was there permission or not

          That is, if someone enters your apartment without your permission and registers there upon the fact of residence, then you will also consider that this "someone" has a residence permit as a sufficient basis for ownership wassat
          Where do you live by the way repeat
          Quote: Hon
          if only the Moscow authorities can put pressure on the court, which is a crime against the state

          In this case, the "owners" will no longer be able to put pressure on the court - and this is good fellow
        8. Hon
          Hon 16 February 2016 21: 26
          +1
          And where does the apartment? If you sell the room in the apartment tomorrow, and then your neighbor ceases to suit you, the court will refuse to evict him, since he bought the room, will you throw him out by force? Or try to put pressure on the court to evict him.
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 16 February 2016 10: 39
    0
    There was no such outrage, as we have in the 90s.
  • Homo
    Homo 16 February 2016 11: 25
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    and so, the construction stalled for a year and a half, because they categorically refused to leave. saying one simple thing. we graze here for 30 years. the municipality did not touch us. IT MEANS LEGAL. and in terms of time we have rights to this piece of land.

    If according to your (not always adequate) laws this is legal, then according to ours, NO! And we live in Russia according to Russian laws and to us your Israeli laws are not an example and not a decree!
  • GRAY
    GRAY 16 February 2016 08: 29
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    it is more like that. that interests small businesses. not the implications of private property. court decisions, etc. - the whole gang didn’t give a damn. it will be so.

    And this is not a small business, all these pavilions, in Moscow, are owned by about a dozen people.
    In transitions recently the same rooster was:

    1. atalef
      atalef 16 February 2016 08: 36
      +5
      Quote: GRAY
      And this is not a small business, about a dozen people own all these pavilions in Moscow

      first of all - you don’t know, and secondly - it does not matter.
      No one has the right to take anything from me. to tear down. etc. without a court order.
      none . in any state, only a court can say. what is legal. and what not
      Quote: GRAY
      Businessmen Zarakh Iliev, God Nisanov, Lev Kvetnoy, Yakov Yakubov, former officials, athletes, "authorities", etc.

      Surnames do not play a role. maybe they’ll say tomorrow. that you are the same local authority and what will you do with it?
      1. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 10: 57
        -5
        Quote: atalef
        No one has the right to take anything from me. to tear down. etc. without a court order.

        That is, in your opinion, Sobyanin did all this "without a court decision" ?! wassat
        You take it into account, Moscow is not Israel - here mines do not whistle and Bedouins do not squeeze millions from the government - everything is culturally and lawfully with us! fellow
        And here you have, every second one there, whom they are looking for here - in every house either a Bedouin with a million, or a criminal from Russia on the run! (exaggerate a little) laughing
        1. Hon
          Hon 16 February 2016 21: 34
          +1
          It was without a court order that this was done
  • Finches
    Finches 16 February 2016 10: 02
    +1
    Perhaps redistribution, but maybe not! Privatization in the 90s was illegal! Sobyanin personally inspires more respect from his actions as mayor than Luzhkov, and his dearest millionaire wife personally causes me a lot of questions, unlike Sobyanin’s wife. But neither we nor you have social justice - in human society, unfortunately, such a concept is present only in treatises of philosophers!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 16 February 2016 10: 15
      +4
      Quote: Finches
      But neither we nor you have social justice - in human society, unfortunately, such a concept is present only in treatises of philosophers!

      there is no absolute social justice, but under the USSR the salaries of the worker and director hardly varied hundreds of times, 5-10 maximum, I would say that it was socially fair
  • Homo
    Homo 16 February 2016 11: 21
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    mean stalls. which seem to have been illegally built in the 90s (but which today have all the permissions).

    That is, there is a permit for a temporary construction (stall) on one floor and an area of ​​10 square meters. meters. And demolish 2-3-story capital structures with an area of ​​100-500 square meters. meters. As they say, feel the difference where the stall (permitted) and where something is demolished (illegal)!
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 16 February 2016 09: 23
    -3
    That is, you are against the demolition of stalls with shawarma?
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 February 2016 09: 43
      +3
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      That is, you are against the demolition of stalls with shawarma?

      No, I am against arbitrariness
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 16 February 2016 09: 55
        +1
        and there is no arbitrariness.
        you would read the law, remember whose land, etc.

        Civil Code Article 222. Unauthorized construction
        The positions of the higher courts under Art. 222 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation >>>

        1. An unauthorized building is a building, structure or other structure erected, created on a land plot not provided in the established manner, or on a land plot, the authorized use of which does not allow the construction of this object on it, or erected, created without obtaining the necessary permissions or in violation of urban planning and building codes.
        (item 1 in the edition of the Federal law from 13.07.2015 N 258-ФЗ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)
        2. A person who has carried out unauthorized construction does not acquire ownership rights to it. It has no right to dispose of the building - to sell, give, lease, make other transactions.
        Unauthorized construction is subject to demolition by the person who carried it out or at his expense, except as provided for in paragraphs 3 and 4 of this article.
        (in the edition of the Federal Law from 13.07.2015 N 258-FZ)


        4.Bodies of local self-government of the urban district (municipal district in the event that the unauthorized construction is located on the inter-settlement territory) has the right to decide on the demolition of the unauthorized construction in the event of the creation or construction of it on a land plot not provided in the established manner for these purposes, if this land plot is located in a zone with special conditions for the use of territories (with the exception of the zone of protection of cultural heritage objects (historical and cultural monuments) of the peoples of the Russian Federation) or public rhetoricians or ROW engineering networks federal, regional or local importance.
        Within seven days from the date of the decision on the demolition of the unauthorized building, the local government body that made this decision shall send the person who carried out the unauthorized construction a copy of this decision containing the deadline for the demolition of the unauthorized building, which is established taking into account the nature of the unauthorized construction, but cannot be more than 12 months.

        In the event that the person who carried out the unauthorized construction was not identified, the local government that made the decision to demolish the unauthorized building must, within seven days from the date of such a decision:
        ensure the publication in the manner prescribed by the charter of the city district (municipal district if the unauthorized building is located on an inter-settlement territory) for the official publication (promulgation) of municipal legal acts, reports on the planned demolition of the unauthorized building;
        ensure that a message about the planned demolition of an unauthorized building is posted on the official website of the authorized body of local self-government in the information and telecommunication network "Internet";
        to ensure placement on the information board within the boundaries of the land on which the unauthorized construction was created, messages about the planned demolition of the unauthorized construction.
        If the person who carried out the unauthorized construction was not identified, the demolition of the unauthorized construction can be organized by the body that made the appropriate decision, no earlier than two months after the date of posting on the official website of the authorized local government body in the information and telecommunications network "Internet "reports of the planned demolition of such a building.
        (item 4 is introduced by the Federal law from 13.07.2015 N 258-ФЗ)

        still would have planted who gave permission and generally beauty
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 16 February 2016 11: 09
      +6
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      That is, you are against the demolition of stalls with shawarma?

      Shawarma stalls are not only in the center of Moscow near the metro. And nobody touches them.
      Moreover, Sabyanin did not speak. that he is against shawarma.
      Near the metro (this is the outskirts of Moscow), we had a flower shop and a mobile phone. And also a shopping center with a children's shoe store and a restaurant. Are you against flowers?
      But that is not the question. And tomorrow the garage can be demolished, the day after tomorrow the house can be demolished .. and "do not hide behind your piece of paper, obtained by fraudulent means." Prove a scam and I will be the first to be in favor. And it smells like a redistribution of property .. Actually, time will show how they begin to build up, and it will be clear in whose interests all this .. In the meantime, people were left without work during the crisis ... And I feel humanly sorry for them.
      By the way, I’m buying shawarma, and I'm alive and well.
      1. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 11: 57
        -5
        Quote: Al1977
        And tomorrow the garage can be demolished, the day after tomorrow the house can be demolished .. and "do not hide behind your piece of paper, obtained by fraudulent means."

        That is, in your opinion, incompetent people are sitting in the Government who do not know what and where they have built legally and what is not ?!
        Well, it can only be in the countries of the Baltic states! laughing
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 16 February 2016 13: 13
          +4
          Quote: Mr. PIP
          That is, in your opinion, incompetent people are sitting in the Government who do not know what and where they have built legally and what is not ?!

          Since when has the government monitored subway stalls?
          And whether the court is legal or not. I repeat the question, having a garage in the property, they can demolish it, saying that "the piece of paper was obtained by fraudulent means" if the authorities urgently need a place under it? And all the other stalls in Moscow are legal? Only the metro is not legal? “Coincidence? I don't think so,” says one journalist.
          1. Mr. Pip
            Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 14: 03
            -1
            Quote: Al1977
            Since when has the government monitored subway stalls?

            And what do you think the city hall should do? She means can't track? Maybe the police can’t follow now? belay
            Quote: Al1977
            I repeat the question, having a garage in the property, they can demolish it, saying that "the piece of paper was obtained by fraudulent means" if the authorities urgently need a place under it?

            If the garage is on the territory of the Civil Code - how will the state "arbitrarily" demolish it if it cannot act as a plaintiff in this case? belay
            Quote: Al1977
            And lawfully or not the court understands.

            OK. If one employee of one boss does not obey - does he go to court with him, or does he fire him first - and he can sue even before God's trial? request
            Or do you think only the court has rights in the state? request
            Quote: Al1977
            I don't think so, ”says one journalist.

            Well, this journalist apparently in general thinks badly of life laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 16 February 2016 14: 09
              +4
              Quote: Mr. PIP
              And what do you think the city hall should do?

              that is, before issuing permits on the legality of buildings - was she not doing her job?

              Quote: Mr. PIP
              OK. If one employee of one boss does not obey, then he goes to court with him, or he dismisses him first

              Do not confuse those warm with the soft, therefore, there are different codes of shopping mall, these are completely different cases and the procedure procedures are also different
              Quote: Mr. PIP
              Or do you think only the court has rights in the state?


              In resolving property disputes - only with the court
              1. Mr. Pip
                Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 14: 39
                -1
                Quote: atalef
                building legality permits

                Legally constructed, legal and worthwhile.
                But you apparently and remotely do not realize the scale of construction in Moscow in recent years - apparently you basically do not want to calculate the share of the demolished square kilometers built.
                Quote: atalef
                therefore, there are different codes of shopping mall, these are completely different cases, and procedural actions are also different

                Wow how wassat
                So you do not confuse, but you confuse and write
                Quote: atalef
                In resolving property disputes - only with the court

                But in this case, there are no property disputes, there are unauthorized buildings and there are no grounds for acquiring property rights wassat
                1. atalef
                  atalef 16 February 2016 14: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  Legally constructed, legal and worthwhile.

                  Until the next decision of Sobyanin or the like.

                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  But you apparently and remotely do not realize the scale of construction in Moscow in recent years - apparently you basically do not want to calculate the share of the demolished square kilometers of the total built square kilometers

                  He does not play roles. The mayor's office wanted to demolish - there are no problems, agree on compensation and go ahead, you can’t agree - go to court.
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  So you do not confuse, but you confuse and write

                  Well, yes, comparing the rape and the demolition of stalls (as in your case) - shkolota?
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  But in this case, there are no property disputes,

                  Yes, strange, but which?
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  there are unauthorized buildings

                  Legal recognized by court
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  and there is no reason to acquire ownership


                  Again, a problem with reading comprehension?
                  Quote: atalef
                  The mayor's office was not embarrassed by the fact that some of the buildings were registered as property, and that the owners of some of them had repeatedly proved in court that they were not unauthorized buildings. According to the public organization of small and medium-sized businesses "Support of Russia", 27 out of 104 objects have court decisions on the absence of unauthorized construction. For example, LLC "Yuka" - the owner of the pavilions near the metro station "Krasnopresnenskaya" back in 2014 confirmed the legality of their placement in the Arbitration Court of the Moscow District, follows from the materials of the case No. А40-44702 / 2013

                  Quote: atalef
                  CJSC Albatros, the owner of the shopping center of the same name near the Shchelkovskaya metro station, got into a similar situation. On January 20 of this year, the AU MO admitted that it cannot be called an unauthorized construction. "The disputed object cannot be considered as an unauthorized construction, since a new real estate object did not arise, the structural characteristics of the objects have not changed, the area of ​​construction of buildings and the volume of buildings have not changed," the resolution on case No. А40-135519 / 13 says.
                  1. Mr. Pip
                    Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 17: 32
                    -3
                    Quote: atalef
                    Until the next decision of Sobyanin or the like.

                    Pills help, I'm serious hi
                    Quote: atalef
                    Well, yes, comparing the rape and the demolition of stalls (as in your case) - shkolota?

                    Well, yes, yes, the budget of Moscow is 1.5 trillion rubles and the GDP is 12 trillion rubles - and you compare the Mayor of Moscow with small businesses and think that he had something to do with it - you were holding something larger than 100 shekels when school laughing
                    In Moscow, interchanges are being built in 5 levels, a higher than 99.99% building in Israel.
                    Entire microdistricts are being built, there are more squares than in all of Israel.
                    A huge number of capital and legal shopping centers and OTs with a turnover of more than 2 trillion for retail and more than 8 trillion for wholesale - and the Moscow mayor decided to squeeze the shawarma at the metro - where I ended up laughing laughing laughing
                2. Hon
                  Hon 16 February 2016 15: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Mr. PIP
                  But in this case, there are no property disputes, there are unauthorized buildings and there are no grounds for acquiring property rights

                  By the decisions of the courts of the Russian Federation, it was established that these buildings are not unauthorized and are not subject to demolition.

                  315 Article. Failure to execute a court verdict, court decision or other judicial act

                  Malicious failure to be performed by a representative of the government, civil servant, municipal employee, as well as employees of a state or municipal institution, commercial or other organization of a court verdict, court decision or other judicial act that has entered into legal force, as well as obstruction of their execution

                  Article 286. Excess of authority
                  The performance by an official of actions that clearly extend beyond his authority and entail a substantial violation of the rights and legitimate interests of citizens or organizations or the interests of society or the state protected by law
              2. Seal
                Seal 16 February 2016 23: 05
                -1
                Quote: atalef
                In resolving property disputes - only with the court

                You’ll figure it out there. Even Luzhok could not figure out the center of Moscow, since in the period from 1992 to 2000, the Central District of Moscow was headed by Mr. Muzykantsky, who closed himself not on Tverskaya-13, but on the Kremlin. Since EBN did not trust Luzhkov. Therefore, Muzykansky Meadow was devoured only after the departure of EBN.
                This issue (about demolition) in the courts would be decided 200 years or 300 years.
                That is, it was such a Gordian knot that it was impossible to untangle, especially since years ago. Only to CUT.
            2. Hon
              Hon 16 February 2016 21: 55
              +1
              Property owners are not workers, and the Moscow government is not an employer. And the Moscow government does not have the right to destroy or take away other people's property, without a court decision. Because it is spelled out in the laws of the Russian Federation. I understand that for you the laws of our state are just dust under your feet, but I still want to hope that we live in a state of law, and not in a state of arbitrariness.
          2. reservist
            reservist 16 February 2016 15: 16
            +1
            Quote: Al1977
            having a garage in the property, they can demolish it, saying that "the piece of paper was obtained by fraudulent means" if the authorities urgently need a place under it?

            so they can tear down even if the place is not required
            and the authorities themselves (under Luzhkov) first allowed (or at least "closed their eyes") the construction of this garage, and then demolished it (under Sobyanin)
        2. Hon
          Hon 16 February 2016 21: 42
          +1
          I worked at MOEK to pay for heating, premises owned by Moscow but not rented out, and not occupied, they don’t allocate money from the budget, they are going to sue. So the representatives of the property department, who will be suing the court, never know whether their premises are rented out or not, and where they are located.
  • siberalt
    siberalt 16 February 2016 09: 42
    +4
    I support the demolition. Infections will be less in any sense. Kalashny rows with shawarma at public transport stops in the center of the capital of Russia? Well this is some shame!
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 16 February 2016 15: 01
      +4
      Quote: siberalt
      I support the demolition. Infections will be less in any sense. Kalashny rows with shawarma at public transport stops in the center of the capital of Russia? Well this is some shame!

      I bought sausages in the center of Prague on Wenceslas Square. There it is a tradition. I bought Bavarian sausages in Germany in different cities. And somehow I didn’t consider it a shame ...
      And yet, so it is necessary to close ALL shawarma tents ?? Do flower tents need to be demolished ??? Flowers are the wildest hotbed of crime and unsanitary conditions, right? Is it also interesting that food in Moscow has become better? Is there less crime in Moscow? The issue is resolved with these points, as I understand it?
      1. Seal
        Seal 16 February 2016 22: 26
        -2
        I wonder why, when it comes to the fact that it is very bad that dogs shit on the streets and in playgrounds, there is always someone who begins to translate the topic into the fact that "and people shit even more."
        How, on the basis of what, do you manage to put shawarma on one board, with which you can poison flowers? Are you eating flowers?
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 17 February 2016 12: 33
          0
          Quote: Seal
          I wonder why, when it comes to the fact that it is very bad that dogs shit on the streets and in playgrounds, there is always someone who begins to translate the topic into the fact that "and people shit even more."
          How, on the basis of what, do you manage to put shawarma on one board, with which you can poison flowers? Are you eating flowers?

          A flower shop was demolished near the metro. What does shawarma have to do with it? Do you think it was an action for the demolition of shawarma tents? You are deeply mistaken. In Moscow there are hundreds more if not thousands. Demolished buildings exclusively near the metro and 90% it was not shawarma. And what do you have against shawarma?
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 16 February 2016 16: 46
      -1
      Kalashny rows with shawarma at public transport stops in the center of the capital of Russia?
      Please provide at least one photograph of what you wrote. What are you like a whooper?
  • Hon
    Hon 16 February 2016 10: 22
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    Behind all this trade orgy is crime, part of which has long merged with the state apparatus! In addition to demolishing illegally built stalls, planting is needed, as VVP said! And you can safely start with Luzhkov and his trembling wife ...! And so, today they demolished here today - tomorrow they will build there! It reminds me more that soon elections and a loud action for Sobyanin and "United Russia" in the capital will not hurt ....

    the problem is that demolition is illegal. yes, permissions to these objects were obtained through bribes. But they are, and there is evidence of ownership. And to demolish such facilities, a court decision is needed. Moscow has not received such decisions. Now the lawsuits will go to Moscow, and either it will be possible to get deliberately illegal court decisions that confirm the legitimacy of such demolitions, or the city got money, and the amount amounts to tens of billions of rubles.
    1. Seal
      Seal 16 February 2016 23: 04
      0
      Quote: Hon
      And to demolish such facilities, a court decision is needed. Moscow has not received such decisions

      You’ll figure it out there. Even Luzhok could not figure out the center of Moscow, since in the period from 1992 to 2000, the Central District of Moscow was headed by Mr. Muzykantsky, who closed himself not on Tverskaya-13, but on the Kremlin. Since EBN did not trust Luzhkov. Therefore, Muzykansky Meadow was devoured only after the departure of EBN.
      This issue (about demolition) in the courts would be decided 200 years or 300 years.
      That is, it was such a Gordian knot that it was impossible to untangle, especially since years ago. Only to CUT.
  • Homo
    Homo 16 February 2016 11: 13
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    Behind all this trade bacchanalia is crime, part of which has long merged with the state apparatus!

    The first part +, but the continuation -. The state apparatus is the governor and above, and here city officials. No need to generalize.
    Quote: Finches
    And so, today they demolished here today - tomorrow they will build there!

    But this is unlikely.
    Quote: Finches
    It reminds me more that elections soon and a loud action for Sobyanin and "United Russia" in the capital will not hurt ....

    And here you are wrong, Sobyanin does not need such "cheap" advertising. He stands firmly on his feet even without PR.
    And again, a lot of pluses, it is not clear why. This intersects with my comment a couple of days ago!

    Homo RU February 14, 2016 13:46 | Eastern rather dead than alive
    Recently, reading comments has become uninteresting, even dreary and disgusted! Where have patriotism, optimism, positive, pragmatism gone? If earlier they wrote about the problem (and there were no less) - we will survive, we will break through, and we didn’t worry, the victory will be ours (the general meaning was “we will break through”), but now any problem (even the smallest) turns into - “chief, everything is gone, "where we go, watch, we die, nothing good awaits us, etc., etc. In one word," kirdyk "to the country. And the worst thing is that all this (both before and now) is written by the same people. Duplicity (if not venality) is striking. It looks like people decided everything for themselves in advance, decided on whose side the victory would be, and began pouring water on the mill of those (in their opinion) who would become the winner. Doesn't this remind you of the pre-daytime in Ukraine? The infection began to infect IN !! hi
    1. Finches
      Finches 16 February 2016 12: 34
      0
      I have absolutely no sense of premeditation! Reflections take place and it’s okay that they are not entirely rosy. As for this demolition - most likely it is absolutely correct, but this is an internal affair of Moscow! And when they talk about him through all the central channels throughout the country, then this leads to thoughts ....
  • Villon
    Villon 16 February 2016 11: 50
    +2
    Constantly demolish and again build stalls in the same places. On the money laundering is similar.
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 16 February 2016 12: 47
    -1
    Let these vipers, dirt and stink be torn down. When I am in Moscow, one desire is to get out of there quickly. Everything is spat and covered with gobies.
  • Litsvin
    Litsvin 16 February 2016 13: 48
    +1
    Yes, you are right about crime, but it has already been legalized for 15 years and now they are called "entrepreneurs". In fact, nothing has changed except for the "shild" - they are ordinary "speculators". Our Old Man knows how to call things by their proper names. Somehow, devilishly, in his speech, he so directly distorted: "What were these" entrepreneurs "called in Soviet times?" and he himself answered: "Speculators ...". It is another matter that all these "temporary buildings" could not be built without the permission of the Moscow officials. The officials got a big jackpot simply for the phony papers or, in general, for their "word of honor." And all these lackeys for 20 years have been making a profit. I think that speculators have recouped their costs of bribing officials in a maximum of a year, the rest of the decades have been working for profit.

    As for the "liberals and the opposition" barking at the legitimate government, what is there to be surprised at - these national traitors are always where the smell of "rotten eggs" is. That's another topic just picked up - "lyutuet Putin, Medvedev and Sobyanin," trade pavilions "- actually" holupy "belonging nigger speculators blows in Moscow." Nothing, let them bark - "The wolves howl - the caravan is coming." Recently, the traitor Kasyanov was showered with eggs in Vladimir the Great. He burst into tears and ran to the police to complain, even ruined the "white sheet of paper" with his "statement". Now he complains that no one is "looking for the guilty" who threw eggs at him. And no one will look for it - because in general it is necessary to deal with national traitors "differently" - as during the "cold or hot war". There was nothing to "bark", hugging the "ukrotatarin" that: ".... as soon as I become the president of Russia, I will immediately return Crimea to Ukraine .....".
  • goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 16 February 2016 17: 33
    +2
    Each trading businessman has permits for real estate. (In any case, on TV they shake them). These documents bear the signatures of real officials in real departments. In case of suspicion (Small, 100% percent) of the discrepancy of the issued papers to the real state of affairs - to initiate an administrative case, which flows smoothly into the criminal case upon receipt of the data. If this official quit (moved to another job, in the sense), or the department is reformed, this is not a reason for not initiating prosecution. According to the results of these, make large banners in Moscow with photographs, name, deeds number and punishment in Moscow. The country must know its heroes! I think so...
    1. Seal
      Seal 16 February 2016 23: 03
      -2
      Quote: goncharov.62
      Each trading businessman has permits for real estate. (In any case, on TV they shake them). These documents are signed by real officials in real departments.

      Yes, there are many shaking a linden. For example, the permission says "Soyuzpechat-type kiosk" - and it has a two-story store. "Oh, listen, I swear by my mother, this is such a big Soyuzpechat kiosk. I love the newspaper, I made such a kiosk. But nobody is buying the newspaper now - everyone is watching the Internet. Patama is still selling products, videos."
      Or in permission another address.
      Or the signature of an official not authorized to issue such permits.
      Or an explicit fake photocopy of permission to a completely different object with the address corrected on the computer.

      And about the photos of officials - I agree.
      1. Hon
        Hon 17 February 2016 11: 14
        0
        Quote: Seal
        Yes, there are many shaking a linden tree. For example, the permission says "Soyuzpechat kiosk"

        Have you seen these documents?
  • Telemon
    Telemon 16 February 2016 06: 15
    14
    Let them demolish the stalls and the state persons interested in their standing. The "climate" will be cleaner. In Moscow in particular and as a rule in RUSSIA in general.
    1. Grandfather Luka
      Grandfather Luka 16 February 2016 08: 18
      +6
      All these stalls with shawarma, etc., are a breeding ground for ethnic groups of a marginally criminal nature. Those who are scorched from injuries into the air are scared in the direction of arrows and bearded Muscovites mugs.
      1. gray smeet
        gray smeet 16 February 2016 09: 17
        +5
        Why only Peter and Moscow clean stalls? - Other cities would need to be cleaned up of the dashing 90s. As I understand, they are preparing for the World Cup in football and not only ....
      2. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 16 February 2016 09: 54
        +4
        Quote: Grandfather Luka
        All these stalls with shawarma, etc. have a breeding ground for ethnic groups

        To press this one ... (which is next to Georgia, Armenia and Iran) - the best friends of Luzhkov and "Co" - I think 90% (if not 100%) of stalls and small shops belong to them.
        "Damn businessmen" - in Auchan to buy in a tent to sell.
        yesterday "bleated, bleated" - one on Mikheev's radio "we will mediate in negotiations between Russia and Turkey", but he himself cannot connect two words.
        ======
        But about the demolition, I am FOR! even remember how the city looks. good
      3. Al1977
        Al1977 16 February 2016 12: 33
        +3
        Quote: Grandfather Luka
        All these stalls with shawarma, etc., are a breeding ground for ethnic groups of a marginally criminal nature. Those who are scorched from injuries into the air are scared in the direction of arrows and bearded Muscovites mugs.

        That is, it is necessary to demolish stalls across the country? Or is it only in the center of Moscow that you have difficulty breathing? And all sorts of cheap restaurants are not a hotbed of crime? Would it be time to close them? And the car market? And the shops near the house? Food markets? Is everything okay there? Exactly everything according to the law? And the replacement of normal borders with new ones? Exactly when exactly everything is according to the law?
        1. Seal
          Seal 16 February 2016 22: 29
          0
          These were shawarma and flowers. Now shawarma and borders negative
  • kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 16 February 2016 06: 19
    +2
    Our administration did so, it introduced a ban on the sale of alcohol in stores and ... for several years, instead of grocery stores, hairdressers and pharmacies in residential buildings, they made snack bars and wine shops that can be traded hi ! Who benefits, if the administration does not itch to clean up the alcohol trade in the Moscow Ring Road and at the same time prohibits the trade in alcohol in stores, explaining this by combating the alcoholization of the population! Roof, however! hi
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 16 February 2016 06: 19
    -9
    I hope the author will experience a similar ecstasy when his property gets demolished, and he will run around the administration waving a certificate of state right. registration of ownership ...
    1. Volodin
      16 February 2016 06: 50
      17
      Quote: Mera Joota
      I hope the author will experience a similar ecstasy when his property gets demolished, and he will run around the administration


      And do not hope ... The author will not run, because the author is not used to rubbing shoulders with the criminals who cover such things, and enter the "where to" money in an envelope. I'm not used to starting an illegal business either. But someone, apparently, is very much used to it - it has grown, and now there is a cry about "pro-salipolymers". From the beginning it was necessary to think with the head, and not with the sciatic nerve, where to build, from whom to "rent" and what to trade. And then in the eyes of some "comrades" there is only one thought: how to bargain, even in Red Square, even in the Alexander Garden.

      Or do you really think that private Vasya Pupkin (without "envelopes") could afford to rent a pavilion on Pushkinskaya?
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 16 February 2016 07: 31
        +2
        Quote: Volodin
        Or do you really think that private Vasya Pupkin (without "envelopes") could afford to rent a pavilion on Pushkinskaya?

        Of course not. The fact that the owners of the pavilions built them by giving bribes to officials of the Moscow mayor's office is not to go to a fortuneteller. There is no other way. But how will the demolition of these pavilions affect the corrupt officials? No way, they got the money and washed their hands, then they "work", moreover, other "correct" pavilions will be built in the same places. Those. officials will receive their "tight envelopes" again. Good "business" however ... And where is the fight against corruption?
        But this is not the worst. The authorities set a precedent for resolving development issues without any court decisions, stupidly demolishing the building regardless of ownership. I hope you and this blowjob bowl, but think about those people who will suffer from the lawlessness of the authorities.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 16 February 2016 07: 34
          +1
          Quote: Mera Joota
          The authorities set a precedent for resolving development issues without any court decisions, stupidly demolishing the building regardless of ownership.

          For some reason, the 90s are remembered, the methods from there, it somehow leads to thoughts about the historical roots of such a phenomenon :-)
        2. andj61
          andj61 16 February 2016 07: 47
          +6
          Quote: Mera Joota
          The authorities set a precedent for resolving development issues without any court decisions, stupidly demolishing the building regardless of ownership. I hope you and this blowjob bowl, but think about those people who will suffer from the lawlessness of the authorities.

          Here is an interesting question! Permission to build-install a temporary structure was given! And for a period of three years, rarely - for 5 years. And all the terms of those permissions have long expired. Yes, businessmen paid for the roof, and perhaps taxes for renting land, but they had not had permission to find their property in this particular place for a long time. And the fact that this happened is not surprising. In our country, slowly, with a creak, through a stump deck, with excesses, but nevertheless, order is being restored. And what we have now cannot be compared with what it was 10 years ago. Even traffic cops began to take money much less often! bully
          1. atalef
            atalef 16 February 2016 08: 10
            +7
            Quote: andj61
            Here is an interesting question! Permission to build-install a temporary structure was given! And for a period of three years, rarely - for 5 years. And all the terms of those permissions have long expired.

            I can’t even imagine a similar case with us.
            to demolish something without a court order. the possibility of filing an appeal is simply not realistic.
            Yes, in court, a lawyer from the municipality might just die proving. that the building was not built legally because some official received a rollback for this.
            The judge’s answer would be outrageously simple.
            Is the official an employee of the municipality? So the responsibility is the municipality.
            You have enough controlling organizations. that on the one hand to exclude such incidents. secondly, you are responsible for the personnel policy yourself. which means --- you want to demolish. no problems . but PAY ALL PAYMENTS. which the court will determine
            And no other is given.
            The right to honest work and a decent income is the basic human right, and it is not his fault that the system puts it in such a framework.

            Quote: andj61
            In our country, slowly, with a creak, through a stump deck, with excesses, but nevertheless, order is being restored


            Andrew . demolition without a court order is not an order and never will be
            1. gray smeet
              gray smeet 16 February 2016 09: 21
              +1
              Quote: atalef

              I can’t even imagine a similar case with us.


              There was no "90s" in Israel, so you can't .. Especially in Israel - the territory of the "football field" (with copses) under my window, more than the whole of Israel .. Try to build something under my window like shawarma runners, it won't come to demolition - I assure you.
            2. Stas57
              Stas57 16 February 2016 09: 58
              +1
              Andrew . demolition without a court order is not an order and never will be

              it would be nice if the court was honest, and not like those officials who gave permission.

              I will duplicate the 4 clause of the article 222 of the Civil Code
              4. Bodies of local self-government of the urban district (municipal district in the event that the unauthorized construction is located on the inter-settlement territory) has the right to decide on the demolition of the unauthorized construction in the event of the creation or construction of it on a land plot not provided in the established manner for these purposes, if this land plot is located in a zone with special conditions for the use of territories (with the exception of the zone of protection of cultural heritage objects (historical and cultural monuments) of the peoples of the Russian Federation) or public rhetoricians or ROW engineering networks federal, regional or local importance.
              Within seven days from the date of the decision on the demolition of the unauthorized building, the local government body that made this decision shall send the person who carried out the unauthorized construction a copy of this decision containing the deadline for the demolition of the unauthorized building, which is established taking into account the nature of the unauthorized construction, but cannot be more than 12 months.
              In the event that the person who carried out the unauthorized construction was not identified, the local government that made the decision to demolish the unauthorized building must, within seven days from the date of such a decision:
              ensure the publication in the manner prescribed by the charter of the city district (municipal district if the unauthorized building is located on an inter-settlement territory) for the official publication (promulgation) of municipal legal acts, reports on the planned demolition of the unauthorized building;
              ensure that a message about the planned demolition of an unauthorized building is posted on the official website of the authorized body of local self-government in the information and telecommunication network "Internet";
              to ensure placement on the information board within the boundaries of the land on which the unauthorized construction was created, messages about the planned demolition of the unauthorized construction.
              If the person who carried out the unauthorized construction was not identified, the demolition of the unauthorized construction can be organized by the body that made the appropriate decision, no earlier than two months after the date of posting on the official website of the authorized local government body in the information and telecommunications network "Internet "reports of the planned demolition of such a building.
              (item 4 is introduced by the Federal law from 13.07.2015 N 258-ФЗ)
            3. siberalt
              siberalt 16 February 2016 11: 10
              0
              Our legislation has been skewed in relation to private property and the protection of rights. As for the self-esteem, they corrected the situation and handed it over to the local authorities for final consideration. So, all previous court decisions to consolidate self-construction, as the inviolability of property, have lost force. However, the deprivation of the same driver’s license only through a court is not like taking children away from their parents without a court. On this issue, a large liberal lobby in the government, unfortunately.
            4. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 11: 30
              -4
              Quote: atalef
              I can’t even imagine a similar case with us.

              Yes of course laughing
            5. Seal
              Seal 16 February 2016 22: 52
              0
              Quote: atalef
              demolition without a court order is not an order and never will be


              You’ll figure it out there. Even Luzhok could not figure out the center of Moscow, since in the period from 1992 to 2000, the Central District of Moscow was headed by Mr. Muzykantsky, who closed himself not on Tverskaya-13, but on the Kremlin. Since EBN did not trust Luzhkov. Therefore, Muzykansky Meadow was devoured only after the departure of EBN.
              This issue (about demolition) in the courts would be decided 200 years or 300 years.
              That is, it was such a Gordian knot that it was impossible to untangle, especially since years ago. Only to CUT.
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        4. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 16 February 2016 09: 18
          +4
          mera joota
          And you yourself do not disgust to give bribes? You may not believe me, but I never gave bribes to anyone. I tried to give one surgeon a bottle of horse meat, in the 94 year (he did a microoperation on my eyes) so no, this Man refused. Since then, I have not given anything to anyone. And if hinted, then I pretend to be a hose. And Sobchak anneals. She built pharmacies with tavern music. The only one who is sorry is the workers from the bakery. (on video)
        5. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 11: 15
          -2
          Quote: Mera Joota
          Those. officials will receive their "tight envelopes" again.

          "Conspiracy theory"? fellow
          Quote: Mera Joota
          And where is the fight against corruption?

          Here, initially, the struggle against unauthorized development, which spoils the city and interferes with both the passage of people and the normal business conduct of honest entrepreneurs. This alone is enough.
          Quote: Mera Joota
          but think about those people who will suffer from the lawlessness of the authorities.

          The problems of criminals are the problems of criminals themselves!
        6. hrapon
          hrapon 16 February 2016 12: 01
          -2
          [quote = Mera Joota]]
          The fact that the owners of the pavilions built them by giving bribes to officials of the Moscow City Hall is not a fortuneteller. There is no other way. But how will the demolition of these pavilions affect corrupt officials? [/ quote]


          Answer: demolition of pavilions will affect corrupt investors: do not buy the right of congestion for bribes - we will demolish it.

          In addition, the demolition of the pavilions had a positive effect on my mood. Finally, my City began to shed the ugly clothes of the 90s. Molting has begun! I am sure that they will get to the "European" and other "Luzhkov masterpieces". Everything has its time. We’ve done it and that's enough!

          Especially for "lawyers" of all stripes: If you think the actions of the Moscow authorities are arbitrary, go to court and prove that you have received permission legally. The legal subtlety of the issue is that the authority that issued the permit can at any time recognize it as illegal out of court, if circumstances are established indicating that it was issued in violation of the established rules. The interested parties in this case have the right to appeal against such a decision and demand compensation for losses, including lost profits.

          Moscow announced that these buildings pose a threat to public safety, as overload the arches of tunnels and communications of the subway. I am sure that there is a corresponding (and probably justified) expert opinion. It was impossible to build in this zone. Further operation is not possible. Once again: demolition as an emergency measure aimed at eliminating security threats to people's lives. Point. Who wants to challenge?

          With such arguments, not a single court, even the most liberal of the liberal (atalef, it seems to me, even in Israel), will make a decision in favor of the plaintiffs. And no one will take a "lamb in a piece of paper" in this case. For some reason it seems so to me ...

          Grieving about their fate is also not worth it - they have long "recaptured" their loot and with interest.
        7. Seal
          Seal 16 February 2016 22: 53
          0
          Quote: Mera Joota
          The authorities set a precedent for resolving development issues without any court decisions, stupidly demolishing the building regardless of ownership. I hope you and this blowjob bowl, but think about those people who will suffer from the lawlessness of the authorities.

          You’ll figure it out there. Even Luzhok could not figure out the center of Moscow, since in the period from 1992 to 2000, the Central District of Moscow was headed by Mr. Muzykantsky, who closed himself not on Tverskaya-13, but on the Kremlin. Since EBN did not trust Luzhkov. Therefore, Muzykansky Meadow was devoured only after the departure of EBN.
          This issue (about demolition) in the courts would be decided 200 years or 300 years.
          That is, it was such a Gordian knot that it was impossible to untangle, especially since years ago. Only to CUT.
      2. atalef
        atalef 16 February 2016 07: 59
        +9
        Quote: Volodin
        And do not hope ... The author will not run, because the author is not used to rubbing shoulders with the criminals who are involved in protecting such things, and enter "where necessary" money in an envelope.

        And all the remaining businesses are honest.
        in general, an interesting fight against crime - you have to cheat on the business. then there will be no one to carry.
        such an impression. that businesses are just looking for crime and beg on their knees - take the headstock. open us up.
        Great practice. that there would be no kickbacks and bribes - you can simply deprive the people of grandmothers - then there will be nothing to bear.
        some kind of incomprehensible substitution of concepts and the role of the state.
        Maybe it's better to fight crime, and not with business?
        Quote: Volodin
        do you really think that private Vasya Pupkin (without "envelopes") could afford to rent a pavilion on Pushkinskaya

        I do not know . This is not Vasya Pupkin’s problem. and the problem of the system and the officials who put it in such a position.
        All these mayors. cops. different organizations. first milking the business from start to finish. for inspection. permissions, etc. removing foams and kickbacks. and in the end blaming the same businessman for theft.
        generally fucked up.
        1. andj61
          andj61 16 February 2016 08: 23
          +1
          Salute, camarade!hi
          Quote: atalef
          And all the remaining businesses are honest.

          Of course not! They got down to business on the surface - the expiration of a temporary permit to find an object at a given location. We warned you, set the transfer date. If not, they were demolished. now the actions of the authorities will be appealed in court. Let's see what the solution will be. The maximum is compensation in favor of the "victims". But the object is no longer in place - and will never be again (I'm not very sure about that)!
          Maybe not right, but with something, the fight against this lawlessness, inherited from the 90s, must be started!
          If you wait for the court decision on the demolition, then these are thousands of processes that stretched over the years. And the objects would still be standing. Now it’s the same, but there are NO objects already.
          Quote: atalef
          Great practice. that there would be no kickbacks and bribes - you can simply deprive the people of grandmothers - then there will be nothing to bear.

          Just do not deprive the people of grandmothers, and the tip of the criminal business. Everything is the same as in these objects (these are most often not stalls, but decent, although not very large stores), you can buy in supermarkets, moreover, better and cheaper. And control over normal objects of trade is somewhat easier, and they pay taxes in full - I hope so. bully So this is a redistribution in favor of large wholesale, and maybe network companies. A huge amount of shit was sold in these forecourt and near-market shops. In large stores, this is less.
          Quote: atalef
          All these mayors. cops. different organizations. first milking the business from start to finish. for inspection. permissions, etc. removing foams and kickbacks. and in the end blaming the same businessman for theft.
          generally fucked up.

          I agree! good But what is the alternative? what Let everything continue as it was? It may have been clumsy, but it was still necessary to start the revolution from the top with something!
          Quote: dmi.pris
          This is a blow to honest Turkish-Azerbaijani business ..

          + 100500! good
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 16 February 2016 08: 51
            +3
            Quote: andj61
            and never will be

            This is quite interrogative, yesterday I’m watching the news and there’s one person there, seeing from some administration he is talking about the upcoming tender for the construction of stalls in the underpass, the most interesting thing is that the shooting is in the underpass and the existing stalls are in the background :-)
          2. reservist
            reservist 16 February 2016 13: 02
            +4
            Quote: andj61
            Everything is the same as in these objects (these are most often not stalls, but decent, although not very large stores), you can buy in supermarkets, moreover, better and cheaper.

            it depends ...
            My wife just had a "shot" vegetable stall, in a nearby store vegetables are more expensive, in nearby Auchan - worse in quality
            and the "Izbenka" store in terms of assortment did not intersect with either the store or the market at all

            although these examples are the exception rather than the rule, the main "feature" of outlets near the metro is the convenient location "on the way home from work" ...
            1. andj61
              andj61 16 February 2016 13: 22
              +3
              Quote: reservist
              My wife just had a "shot" vegetable stall, in a nearby store vegetables are more expensive, in nearby Auchan - worse in quality
              and the "Izbenka" store in terms of assortment did not intersect with either the store or the market at all

              although these examples are the exception rather than the rule, the main "feature" of outlets near the metro is the convenient location "on the way home from work" ...

              hi good Here I completely agree with you! Convenience of location, a large flow of potential customers - this is the most important thing!
              But there is still a certain little worm of doubt - who benefits from this? In whose interests did the Moscow authorities work?
              If in the interests of the people and in the interests of the city - this is just excellent. But if in the interests of the same chain stores ....
            2. Seal
              Seal 16 February 2016 22: 51
              -2
              Quote: reservist
              and the shop "Izbenka"

              As far as I know "hut" - all on the first floors or in the basements of residential buildings. You came across some kind of rare "hut" if it was in the form of a stall on the street. In any case, the network, I think, has not suffered much.
        2. hrapon
          hrapon 16 February 2016 12: 36
          0
          Quote: atalef

          Quote: Volodin
          do you really think that private Vasya Pupkin (without "envelopes") could afford to rent a pavilion on Pushkinskaya

          I do not know . This is not Vasya Pupkin’s problem. and the problem of the system and the officials who put it in such a position.
          All these mayors. cops. different organizations. first milking the business from start to finish. for inspection. permissions, etc. removing foams and kickbacks. and in the end blaming the same businessman for theft.
          generally fucked up.


          I can not agree with this. The root of evil is not here.

          In the mid-80s, it seems, Khazanov was joking: "Why don't I take bribes? Because they don't give me ..."

          An investor who is told that in order to implement a project worth 500 thousand euros with a payback period of one year, he must distribute more than half in bribes, he will certainly ask about guarantees: "And they won't kick me out into the street in a month? You can't build here." They will begin to say to him: "We will give you all the papers, that everything is" kind of "legal. Court. Democracy, all cases." This is where the Moment of Truth comes in. If he realizes that there is no hope for the bribe-takers' nepotism, that tomorrow someone may come who can kick in the ass and then "the money was crying," not a single sane businessman will give his hard-earned money to the bribe-taker. And in this case, any (even the most "shy") bribe-taker can proudly say: "I don't take bribes."
      3. Quager
        Quager 16 February 2016 08: 30
        +1
        Well, if, for example, the author decided to go into business and bought land for the pavilion (and for a lot of money), for which there is brilliant green and everything is clean in the regional chamber on request, then ran through the authorities, received permission, paid all the fees, then built, then ran again and got the commissioning permission and finally started working. And then one of the nights, declaring its construction illegal, it will be demolished, and the land will be taken away, and no compensation, no other land is expected. Question! Is the author to blame? Will he worry? How will he feel about power? And why is he a thief and a swindler? And in general on my own - since "such a booze" started, let's revise the results of privatization ...
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 16 February 2016 12: 54
          -1
          Quote: Quager
          and if, for example, the author decided to go into business and bought land for the pavilion

          bought land in Moscow, near the metro?
          hahaha.
          You look at who it belongs to, what conditions and reservations (main gas pipeline, strategic object, public place).
          1. Quager
            Quager 16 February 2016 18: 00
            +1
            Quote: Stas57
            Quote: Quager
            and if, for example, the author decided to go into business and bought land for the pavilion
            bought land in Moscow, near the metro?
            hahaha.
            You look at who it belongs to, what conditions and reservations (main gas pipeline, strategic object, public place).
            What's the difference where? And in which city? And if not a stall there but a plant? And if I want to build a plant, where are the guarantees that it will not be demolished in a year or two? Just because the mayor is different?
      4. Al1977
        Al1977 16 February 2016 13: 24
        +1
        Quote: Volodin
        Or do you really think that private Vasya Pupkin (without "envelopes") could afford to rent a pavilion on Pushkinskaya?

        And the transfer of entire oil companies to private hands in a country in which there were no millionaires, you can believe. Putin said there would be no revision of privatization.
        I agree with him that what has been done is done, so no investors will come. if it’s so easy for us to take your property, for everything is from the 90s.
  • Sars
    Sars 16 February 2016 06: 24
    11
    The Moscow City Hall first took money for permits for stalls, then money for "maintenance", then for demolition (this time from the budget).
    The amount for the demolition, by the way, is this - 300 000 000 rubles! And not one criminal case.
    And corruption in Russia, however, as well as no crisis.
    1. hrapon
      hrapon 16 February 2016 12: 44
      +1
      Quote: SarS
      The Moscow City Hall first took money for permits for stalls, then money for "maintenance", then for demolition (this time from the budget).
      The amount for the demolition, by the way, is this - 300 000 000 rubles! And not one criminal case.
      And corruption in Russia, however, as well as no crisis.


      For general development: demolition of unauthorized buildings is carried out at the expense of the owner of the unauthorized structure. The bill will be sent for sure.
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 16 February 2016 06: 25
    +9
    What are you !!!!! This is a blow to honest Turkish-Azerbaijani business ..
  • Yak28
    Yak28 16 February 2016 06: 26
    +7
    I am pleased that kiosks and other shops are being demolished, it’s time to fight speculators long ago. What good is the state from speculators (businessmen) who bought cheaply and sold at exorbitant prices, they do not bring any benefit.
    1. aba
      aba 16 February 2016 06: 36
      +5
      it is high time to fight with speculators.

      Yes, our state is the first speculator! Or are you sure that paid education and medicine from state care for citizens?
      If anything, there was an operation in the field of cardiology: for a lot of money today, but for free ... I waited more than a year, and even then I had to connect the right people. And if there is no money or connections ?!
    2. Glot
      Glot 16 February 2016 06: 47
      +2
      I am pleased that kiosks and other shops are being demolished, it’s time to fight speculators long ago. What good is the state from speculators (businessmen) who bought cheaply and sold at exorbitant prices, they do not bring any benefit.


      So this is a common business scheme, and it makes no sense where, in a tent or in some "Buy-Sell" Nikonor Office ".
      We won, our "Nikonors" buy goods, and not from the manufacturer, but from the same Nikanors, that is, already with a wrap. They screw up their interest and sell ... not, not to ordinary buyers, to the same Nikanor. They also pay off their interest on him. And then, further, the goods may already be sold at retail, or maybe again through Nikanorov and only then - on the counter. This is how everyone works.
  • engineer74
    engineer74 16 February 2016 06: 36
    +8
    It is believed that in Moscow, urgently, they freed approaches to bomb shelters, metro stations ... what
    In general, "not everything is so simple" (c), for example, they demolished not a shavermeat, but "Coffee House" - a chain coffee shop, which work quite responsibly, as far as I know ... smile
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 16 February 2016 08: 05
      -1
      Quote: engineer74
      , and "Coffee House" is a chain coffee shop that work quite responsibly, as far as I know ...

      I bet that during the construction of the pavilion there was no sewage to it, and the toilet was still there ...

      In the event of a nuclear threat, subway entrances are closed simultaneously with the first signals of the warning system. There is no point breaking in there.
      1. Hon
        Hon 16 February 2016 22: 03
        +1
        This is why you are so sure that you did not fail communications? I was on Novoslobodskaya on Monday, there is one of such objects. Now the foundation is being dismantled, such a good concrete, monolithic, with construction equipment for several days of work. Do you really think there were plastic stalls?
    2. atalef
      atalef 16 February 2016 08: 13
      +6
      Quote: engineer74
      It is believed that in Moscow, urgently, exempted approaches to bomb shelters, metro stations

      Well. why not blame the probability of a nuclear war?
      Quote: engineer74
      , and "Coffee House" is a chain coffee shop that work quite responsibly, as far as I know ...

      Actually, there were bank branches there.
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 16 February 2016 11: 11
        0
        "The war will write off everything!" (C) good especially nuclear!
        They would start to demolish the stalls in the 90s, there would be a massive shooting of officials!
        And now one of the forms of "amnesty" capital bribes! IMHO
        By the way, the above about Bedouins is a very bad example: they did not bring a bribe to a local prefect 30 years ago, I hope? Then it is incorrect to compare them with Moscow stalls ...
      2. Seal
        Seal 16 February 2016 22: 35
        0
        Well. why not blame the probability of a nuclear war?

        Do you think that bomb shelters are needed only in case of a nuclear war? And where will you save your body if any barmalei tear some kind of refrigerator in Moscow? Do you know at all how far personally the nearest cold store is located personally from your house, it is clear that on ammonia? Yes, not even barmaley. An elementary industrial accident will happen - and what? Ammonia crawled to your house, and where are you going?
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 16 February 2016 06: 42
    0
    I support the demolition of these gadyushniki ... It's just time to look at the megaspeculators with well-known names (you don't need to take anything away: let them either give up "business" or start paying taxes)
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 16 February 2016 07: 53
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      .That's just the time to look at the mega-speculators
      Oh, stop. We have the whole big business honest and transparent. Their lawyers sometimes earn more than these demolished stalls combined.
      Quote: samarin1969
      let either give the "business" or start paying taxes
      Well, horns! There will be no revision of the results of privatization! And we are dealing with taxes to those who are supposed to. Taxes are very dear people. One Serdyukov is worth it! How much they hung on him, but no. Honest turned out to be.
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 16 February 2016 06: 49
    +3
    It is strange that only now in Moscow the stalls were demolished. In this, Moscow somehow lagged behind some regions
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 16 February 2016 07: 54
      +2
      Quote: Nikolay71
      It is strange that only now in Moscow the stalls were demolished. In this, Moscow somehow lagged behind some regions

      The stalls near the metro have been demolished for a long time. Now demolished shopping centers (often 2-3 floors), which according to the documents were listed as stalls.
      1. Hon
        Hon 16 February 2016 22: 04
        +1
        Have you personally seen the documents on which the buildings are listed as stalls?
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 16 February 2016 06: 52
    +6
    and before that everything was in order with mobile phones and with oil and with radio tape recorders, but this year they were suddenly "second freshness"?
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 16 February 2016 08: 14
      +6
      Quote: sa-ag
      and before everything was okay and

      The people we have are funny .. he’s .. in his eyes he has all God's dew ... The air tax must be introduced and in fact +100500 comments of approval will appear .. id.oty stop
      1. Glot
        Glot 16 February 2016 08: 50
        +3
        The people we have are funny .. he’s .. in his eyes he has all God's dew ... The air tax must be introduced and in fact +100500 comments of approval will appear .. id.oty


        Yes, they will inhale every other time and shouting "urya-I-I-I" write boast. laughing
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  • ASUR
    ASUR 16 February 2016 06: 58
    +4
    I am for.
    That's only when this struggle comes to our regions.
    I would like us to have a cleaner !!!
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 16 February 2016 06: 59
    +3
    Yes, everything is clear, someone didn’t share the profit with someone, but the one who was thrown turned out to have good connections ...
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 16 February 2016 07: 17
    0
    oh how !!! cried already !!! it is quite expected ........... even though this is an infringement of freedoms, we issue it - if only the West would give a coin.
    1. aba
      aba 16 February 2016 07: 27
      +2
      oh how !!! cried already !!! quite expected .........

      In principle, I have nothing against putting things in order. But maybe in the beginning it was necessary to direct in my city hall - I just do not believe that all property owners got this right illegally, without the participation of the city it is impossible on such a scale. The city did not understand who is right and who is not. Just decided to take away his past sins and thinks that he is again white and fluffy. This does not happen.
      1. Seal
        Seal 16 February 2016 09: 23
        0
        You’ll figure it out there. Even Luzhok could not figure out the center of Moscow, since in the period from 1992 to 2000, the Central District of Moscow was headed by Mr. Muzykantsky, who closed himself not on Tverskaya-13, but on the Kremlin. Since EBN did not trust Luzhkov. Therefore, Muzykansky Meadow was devoured only after the departure of EBN.
        This issue (about demolition) in the courts would be decided 200 years or 300 years.
        That is, it was such a Gordian knot that it was impossible to untangle, especially since years ago. Only to CUT.
  • 31rus
    31rus 16 February 2016 07: 19
    +9
    Dear, it’s not necessary to start with stalls, but with large trading monopolies and not only in Moscow, and there is nothing more to redistribute in our country, spontaneous bazaars were closed in Belgorod, buildings for trade were built and the result was, prices increased several times, half of the rooms were empty, you need to more specifically approach each case, and not chop with one hand and with the other sign the law on small and medium-sized businesses, well, it's ridiculous
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 16 February 2016 08: 35
      +4
      Dear, it’s not necessary to start with stalls, but with large trade monopolies
      Here, large trade monopolies are freeing their place, they are removing competitors.
    2. Seal
      Seal 16 February 2016 09: 26
      0
      And what do you think these issues are somehow interconnected and should be resolved exclusively in a consistent manner? But in parallel, is it impossible?
    3. sds87
      sds87 16 February 2016 10: 59
      +5
      I work in Moscow not far from the Polyanka metro station. There along the bookstore Young Guard stood a bunch of stalls where you could buy a snack is not expensive. There is also a supermarket Perekrestok. It was reconstructed last year. It opened departments for the sale of fast food. It became possible to buy ready-made salads, pizza, all sorts of sandwiches and other snacks. But at the same time with the reconstruction of the Crossroads, all the tents in which there was an opportunity to eat were demolished. There were Baby Potatoes, and Subway and other eateries where you could sit and eat. Now there are only tents selling caviar, French pastries and Stradogs. If you want a snack, go to the Crossroads. All this struggle is aimed exclusively at the benefit of X5 Retail Group, which owns all major retail chains in Russia.
      1. Seal
        Seal 16 February 2016 22: 40
        -2
        Quote: sds87
        All this struggle is aimed exclusively at the benefit of X5 Retail Group, which owns all major retail chains in Russia.

        Buy in the Seventh Continent, the ABC of taste .. if expensive - then in Disks or in Magnet. These and many other networks are not owned by X5 Retail Group.
  • sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 16 February 2016 07: 30
    +1
    When it is necessary to begin to accustom people to the idea that it is necessary to work, not to trade, and ordinary people will not suffer from this - in supermarkets all products have long been cheaper than in small stores.
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 16 February 2016 07: 38
      0
      Quote: sergeyzzz
      It’s necessary when you begin to accustom people to the idea that you need to work, not trade

      Well, what’s the matter, tell the Muscovites about it ...
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 16 February 2016 07: 37
    +8
    Wangyu. Soon, in those places that have been cleared, new already "legal" structures will appear. An excellent business was invented by Moscow officials, to sell the same place twice, but okay, maybe it will work out three times ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 February 2016 08: 03
      11
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Wangyu. Soon, in those places that have been cleared, new already "legal" structures will appear. An excellent business was invented by Moscow officials, to sell the same place twice, but okay, maybe it will work out three times ...

      of course get it.
      The most interesting thing. that this is by no means limited to one Muscovite — now anywhere, the head of the village council. demolish a competitor, saying that his store was not built legally. and all permissions and entries in the registry were not obtained legally (in his opinion), and even this spoils the architectural appearance of the village of Pupkino.
      1. 31rus
        31rus 16 February 2016 09: 08
        +3
        Dear, Moscow is resting, all the "innovations" come from us from Belgorod, examples of covered parking lots, demolition of stalls at bus stops, the largest taxes in the Chechen Republic and taxes, taxes, taxes, that's left to impose oxygen
    2. Seal
      Seal 16 February 2016 09: 27
      0
      And if they don’t grow up, what do you bet?
    3. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 11: 34
      -1
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Soon, in those places that have been cleared, new already "legal" structures will appear.

      Perhaps, but legitimate without quotation marks.
  • rotor
    rotor 16 February 2016 07: 42
    -1
    Not at all metro stations have been demolished vipers, we are waiting for the continuation.
  • GRAY
    GRAY 16 February 2016 07: 47
    +3
    Same sui stall.
  • CONTROL
    CONTROL 16 February 2016 07: 49
    -1
    It's like with Plato - that such a system of accounting and control would be introduced, it was widely announced 405 years ago; and constantly reminded - do ... buy in installments ... with benefits and at a low cost ... sign up ... register ... As a result - strikes with a "liberal" flavor and political demands!
    Here - absolutely same! warned - fill out the documents for the "samostroy", update the rights of the owners, register ... buy licenses ... books ... passports for "shawarma", cafes and stalls ... And not 5-4 years ago - inspectors go constantly, warn, make remarks, give prescriptions, write to surveillance logs ... Pick up this documentation from any of the "victims of the arbitrariness of the authorities" - oh ... those from what has accumulated there over many years: violations, warnings ... prescriptions ... and te teh!
    ... And now - unfortunate traders and speculators are raising a protest wave (in the Echo of Moscow, the New Year's Gazette ...) ... Poor things! ...
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 16 February 2016 15: 57
      +2
      Quote: CONTROL
      And now - unfortunate traders and speculators are raising a protest wave

      And the damned long-haul, too, stir up a wave .. And the doctors in Moscow were buzzing after the reform ... Only Gazprom employees are not rebelling. Here they are, true patriots. And then, you see, they took fashion ... dissatisfaction with the show ... The fifth column, damn it.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 16 February 2016 07: 57
    +6
    It has long been known that the most profitable business is power.
  • zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 16 February 2016 08: 05
    -1
    Unfortunately, our government, which also consists mainly of liberals, does not know any other way of the country's development, except for "comprehensive support of small and medium-sized businesses", not realizing that the locomotive of the economy is not at all hucksters and small handicraftsmen who in every possible way evade paying taxes, poisoning people with rotten meat producing mountains of rubbish and generating corruption.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 16 February 2016 08: 11
      +4
      Quote: zoknyay82
      not hucksters and shallow artisans,

      Well, yes - oil workers and gas workers ... and FSE .... fellow
      1. atalef
        atalef 16 February 2016 08: 15
        0
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Quote: zoknyay82
        not hucksters and shallow artisans,

        Well, yes - oil workers and gas workers ... and FSE .... fellow

        Hey . Nikolay.
        given the installation to reduce the state apparatus by 10% and Moscow officials the same.
        They clean the places for themselves. cream is removed lastly.
        1. Chisayna
          Chisayna 16 February 2016 08: 39
          -1
          Envy silently.
        2. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 16 February 2016 08: 52
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          given an installation to reduce the state apparatus by 10% and

          Hello Sasha! The whole history of these reductions teaches that in a year it will be at least 20. percent more ... and in connection with the elections to the state foolishness, the electoral field of officials will not be curtailed, they will dismiss dead souls and odious personalities and take "fresh" blood,
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 16 February 2016 17: 14
      +2
      Quote: zoknyay82
      Unfortunately, our government, which also consists mainly of liberals, does not know any other way of the country's development, except for "comprehensive support of small and medium-sized businesses"

      Are you just kidding or how to evaluate it? Does our government support small business? And the demolition of tents is proof of this? And if this were so and this horror is simple, then you can use the example of countries with a meager share of small business in GDP.
      Well, the most "hunted" from small business - the USA -62%, Japan -63%.
      I personally do not smile like the USSR with a total deficit. For sausage do not remember how the whole train went?
      1. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 18: 01
        -1
        Quote: Al1977
        Does our government support small business? And the demolition of tents is proof of this?

        Yes, it does.
        But "tents" are not small businesses, for the most part they are illegal entrepreneurship - at best, not conscientious bargaining in violation of sanitary and other norms.
        If you want to do business in white, welcome to white shopping centers.
  • AID.S
    AID.S 16 February 2016 08: 11
    10
    Break down, don't build. Well, what an agitprop article, like the Air Force, not a single fact, only speculation, even plausible. In the hype surrounding the demolition, whoever has not noted, but I have not seen a single interview with owners, tenants or simply working in these demolished buildings. And the bulk simply joined the "topic", it would be foolish for them not to do it.
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 16 February 2016 08: 25
    0
    Sending liberals from the fifth column to work for the Arctic Circle has not begun yet?
    And when will it begin? It seems that it’s time by all indications and according to a schedule ...
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 16 February 2016 08: 29
    +4
    The word stall was invented by an entertainer Yeltsin. am And these monsters made of shift wagons themselves, surrounded by piles of garbage and, I’m sorry, feces, are one of the vilest memories of the Yeltsin-lacquer era. What they traded there is better not to remember at all.



    Undoubtedly, by 2016, the stalls were mimicking and ennobled, but did their essence change?

    The essence of the stall is to stick it anywhere without giving a damn about urban planning norms, SNIPs, safety rules and aesthetic appearance. "point"to sell rotten goods to simple-minded citizens at exorbitant prices. And also to supply homeless people:

    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 16 February 2016 09: 03
      +4
      Quote: Gormengast
      The word stall was invented by an entertainer Yeltsin.


      Oh how! Invented and taught the Russians ... and not only ...
      Small merchants huddle in their stalls and booths, the size of no more than a dog kennel. O. E. Mandelstam, Batum, 1923


      And he began the main thing from the 18th century ...
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 16 February 2016 12: 11
        -1
        Invented and taught the Russians ... and not only

        And he began the main thing from the 18th century ..


        Yes, it was 92 years old! What does the 18th century have to do with it? This is such a movement forward, in the 21st century was?

        There they uncontrollably traded in all kinds of feces and, mainly, singed alcohol, prima from straw, petrified sneakers, and other shit.

        Was he introducing the market like this? Freedom of trade? - anywhere in the world there is no right to trade feces.

        He would have started from the slave market - but what? The Holy Market.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 February 2016 08: 31
    15
    Beautifully, the authorities let the bubbles go; those who are against lawlessness are liberals. They clamped down on doctors, the liberalist was indignant, annoying pensioners, all pensioners are liberals, truckers are liberalists. People supporting this mess. when they come for you, they will also be declared liberals.
    My parents are peasants, so my first question is why it was necessary to demolish and not disassemble and use building materials for a new one? Further, stalls are called huge shopping centers! Finally, where are the penalties for those who gave permission for these illegal permits?
  • Villiam wolf
    Villiam wolf 16 February 2016 08: 49
    +1
    IT WAS LONG TIME TO END THIS "DIRT" !!! AND THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING !!! It's a shame when in the center of the Capital of the largest and one of the strongest states there is dirt, stench, crime, etc. In St. Petersburg, for example, a long time ago, the stalls near the metro and in the center were finished!
    1. 31rus
      31rus 16 February 2016 09: 13
      +5
      Dear, I’m the level of the city, as a guest I rate on toilets, so Moscow sucks, I haven’t seen anything worse
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 16 February 2016 09: 03
    +7
    You just need to mercilessly destroy everything that reminds of elzing, starting with the relocation center. At the same time, those who issued illegal permits and certificates should be caught and imprisoned. Affected entrepreneurs have every right to demand financial satisfaction from these freaks - they, go, are not poor people. So let them pay!

    And the future should look like this - Naina Iosifovna surrounded by loyal fans and followers: am
  • Senior manager
    Senior manager 16 February 2016 09: 37
    0
    And let's look at European capitals - are they alike? So the demolition of the forest beyond which the city is not visible, and a very beautiful city is a plus. The fact that these stalls do not need to prove the crime pole is the second plus, the reduction of the corruption base (of course it is debatable) is the third plus, Destruction of the sources of crime’s income is four (it’s possible terrorist attacks were carried out in the capital for this money), and now it’s not very important who received bribes in the past, it is important that they become fewer. From the life of the capital's simple electrician - thirty tons. Connection of the stall to the network, five monthly for supervision. The score can be continued.
    1. Glot
      Glot 16 February 2016 09: 46
      +3
      It’s not necessary to prove that these stalls of the crime pole


      Oh, well, is crime hanging out around all the stalls?
      There was no one else besides the local gopota. And during the demolition, all this trash is simply relocated to the nearest "golden places". Yes, and this trash is so trifle ...

      second plus, reduction of the corruption base (debatable of course)


      Is this the same as with the demolition of the tent with shawarma the corruption base has decreased?
      Do not say nonsense.
      Corruptionists sit very high, and the money is not from these unfortunate tents.

      third plus, Destruction of crime income sources - four (perhaps for this money terrorist attacks were carried out in the capital


      Criminal sources of income will not suffer much. And about the attacks, this is completely ridiculous. They are not financed from tents.

      From the life of the capital's simple electrician - thirty tons. Connection of the stall to the network, five monthly for supervision.


      That is true. In this whole whirlwind, only the electrician Vasya will suffer, having lost income. That is - a simple guy.
      As always ...
      1. avt
        avt 16 February 2016 10: 38
        -1
        Quote: Glot
        Oh, well, is crime hanging out around all the stalls?

        laughing
        Quote: Glot
        There was no one else besides the local gopota

        Yeah, if "Yaponchik" or "Otarik" ,,, Ded Khasan "personally didn’t shake the stalls, then everything is like white ... fool
        Quote: Glot
        Corruptionists are sitting very high

        I won’t even argue, of course Luzhkov didn’t come to the Izmailov’s tent.
        Quote: Glot
        Criminal sources of income will not suffer much.

        Yah ? laughing So, once you remove the network of retail outlets and nothing will happen to the flow of black cash!? wassat
        Quote: Glot
        And about the attacks, this is completely ridiculous.

        You’ll have a direct laugh
        Quote: Glot
        They are not financed from tents.

        They are financed from ethnic businessmen, the Armenians and Azerbaijanis were collecting them from their own people, and the best option is cash, which is easy to get through a network of trash cans.
      2. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 11: 36
        -1
        Quote: Glot
        Oh, well, is crime hanging out around all the stalls?

        Yes.
        Quote: Glot
        Is this the same as with the demolition of the tent with shawarma the corruption base has decreased?

        Decrease - because TENTS!
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  • fa2998
    fa2998 16 February 2016 09: 38
    +3
    So in the 90s, when all production stopped — these stalls were needed — taxes, amusement. Issued permits, allocated land. Now Moscow has grown rich, all permissions — dog down the drain! Yes, Muscovites complain that the vodka is bad, then the meat --A THAT IN MOSCOW there are NO STATE SERVICES for alcohol control, sanitary services! Yes, they SIGN to these destructions that state control services are UNSUFFICIENT! And the fact that the owner of the stall brought the money for the rent to the wrong office, and we don’t have ANTI-CORRUPTION DEPARTMENT ! So WE CANNOT TAKE ORDER-needed carry!
    And yet, it seems that the Moscow authorities want to kill 2 birds with one stone. In Moscow, hundreds of thousands of meters are set up for business. These offices are half empty. They want to send the ruined owners there. Of course, the prices bite there, but the owners of the buildings are less. And now they will walk to other offices with envelopes. Not to the local police, but to the council or city hall. negative laughing hi
    1. Seal
      Seal 16 February 2016 22: 42
      0
      You’ll figure it out there. Even Luzhok could not figure out the center of Moscow, since in the period from 1992 to 2000, the Central District of Moscow was headed by Mr. Muzykantsky, who closed himself not on Tverskaya-13, but on the Kremlin. Since EBN did not trust Luzhkov. Therefore, Muzykansky Meadow was devoured only after the departure of EBN.
      This issue (about demolition) in the courts would be decided 200 years or 300 years.
      That is, it was such a Gordian knot that it was impossible to untangle, especially since years ago. Only to CUT.
  • wandlitz
    wandlitz 16 February 2016 09: 39
    0
    All this talk about small business is complete nonsense. These stalls are a feeder for corruption, crime and financial support for bandits such as ISIS-DAISH ....
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 February 2016 09: 42
    +2
    Corruption begins when a state business turns into its own business. Do not follow those who wander knee-deep in a swamp bog. Even if you are promised apple-sized cranberry placers
  • GEV67
    GEV67 16 February 2016 09: 43
    +6
    It is necessary to demolish not only the stalls, but also all that Caudle that gave permission and roofed these stalls!
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 16 February 2016 09: 43
    +6
    The problem is that two irreconcilable classes "They" and "We" have formed in Russia. "They" are those who are with money, who have access to government structures, and "we" are we, all the others who are trying to survive (to survive, not to "live") in this country. "They" do what they want, lobby and adopt laws "for themselves" and they do not care about "us", whom they quite sincerely consider "cattle", "trash", "consumables", etc. "Demolition of stalls" is just a method to free up territories in expensive and profitable places of the city, for those who made their way to the "trough" and were able to lobby their interest in this. Here in St. Petersburg they have already lobbied for the "demolition" of "Apraksin Dvor", moreover, for the creation of "elite residential development with (attention!) LIMITED ACCESS" - that is, a fenced-in residential area for the nouveau riche in the city center. And do not care that "Aprazhka" gave work to thousands of people and thousands came from the region to buy consumer goods in this place for their small trade, good to the stations close. So with "stalls" - these "illegal places" will be transferred or sold to others, adding to someone's pocket. And about the "illegality" ... that's how they write right here, we also have Yeltsin chosen .... - they just drew the necessary "percentage" for him, which means he put forward the "receiver" .... and "privatization" was ..... it is clear what. Most of all I am "killed" by those who justify this "demolition" by the fact that these "stalls" sell counterfeit products and there is dirt, etc. So the fact that there is counterfeit and someone does not clean up, etc., so it shows, once again how the city officials themselves work, who cannot put things in order there. It is not the stalls that need to be cleaned, it is necessary to remove the snickering, lazy officials.
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 16 February 2016 11: 25
      +3
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      It’s not the stalls that need to be cleaned, this is the way to clean the snickering, lazy officials.


      There would be an opportunity, would drag your comment to the very top! Absolutely right!
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 16 February 2016 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      So the fact that there is counterfeit and someone is not cleaning, etc., so it shows once again how the city officials themselves work, who cannot put things in order there. It’s not the stalls that need to be cleaned, this is the way to clean the snickering, lazy officials.

      Officials are also people in some places ... someone took a bribe, and someone just regretted it, gave a time for correction ... then another one, and another ... until he was kicked out for a mess! But the newly appointed in his place - already "takes", and how "takes" !!!
  • novel66
    novel66 16 February 2016 09: 52
    +2
    - "Moscow is not the same" .. Moscow became not the same when from a city of labor glory, a scientific center, it turned into a city of hucksters, their protectors, and the gods of all stripes and sexes serving them, it would have been demolished, but stalls ... ...
  • Londa
    Londa 16 February 2016 09: 56
    0
    It is very good that they cleared the territory. There will be less dirt, and the appearance of the capital will be transformed.
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 16 February 2016 10: 02
    -1
    they did the right thing, that they demolished, there will be less crime, they didn’t pay taxes on one fig, so let them go home to do shawarma to trade
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 16 February 2016 11: 26
      -1
      Quote: Londa
      It is very good that they cleared the territory. There will be less dirt, and the appearance of the capital will be transformed.

      Quote: Taygerus
      they did the right thing, that they demolished, there will be less crime, they didn’t pay taxes on one fig, so let them go home to do shawarma to trade

      Quote: wandlitz
      All this talk about small business is complete nonsense. These stalls are a feeder for corruption, crime and financial support for bandits such as ISIS-DAISH ....

      Quote: Villiam Wolf
      IT WAS LONG TIME TO END THIS "DIRT" !!! AND THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING !!!


      Sweat bots work ...
  • Pomeranian
    Pomeranian 16 February 2016 10: 09
    +7
    My opinion, as a deep provincial, is a redistribution of property, and not a struggle against it (corruption, beautification, convenience of residents, illegal development). Apparently under them were not tiled areas. But seriously, officials rarely think about the quality of the inhabitants of the city entrusted to them or another settlement. For example, in our regional center they demolished convenient stopping pavilions in which you could really hide from the wind, snow and rain (I recall that the city is beyond the Arctic Circle) and buy a newspaper, a book or a flower, and instead of them put pencil cases open to all the winds except perhaps for Brazil. So, as Kozma rods said: See the root. I believe that the beneficiaries will soon show themselves in all their glory.
  • valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 16 February 2016 10: 09
    +2
    To calm down the zealous opponents of the demolition of stalls and any illegal remake, it would be necessary, if only to hedge against attacks, the Moscow government to conduct a survey of the population, albeit within the framework of an "active citizen."
    I am with both hands for what is being done with these "structures".
    Demolishing them they beat on crime, corruption, unsanitary conditions and rake the entire Luzhkov scum of the 90s.
    Shouting - jobs ... And who works in them? Muscovites?
    Walking distance products ... And what are they selling? Poison and consumer goods.
    Previously, I got out of the subway and saw the city, but now you immediately find yourself in some maze of worthless retail outlets.
    I leave the metro in my Tsaritsino and that's it ... Madhouse ... Where to go is a mystery for a first-time visitor. Around booths, advertisements, cars, yelling barkers, smells of something dubious edible, people selling all sorts of things, garbage, "come in large numbers" of dubious appearance ...
    I, "FOR" the sanitary cleaning of the city. There are more advantages to this than disadvantages.
    1. reservist
      reservist 16 February 2016 13: 45
      +2
      Quote: valentina-makanalina
      I leave the metro in my Tsaritsino and that's it ... Madhouse ...

      order needs to be put in place, but with methods the power bends a stick ...
      I (a couple of stations from Tsaritsyno) demolished a state farm tent opposite the "Capital" (fresh milk and vegetables without intermediaries), which stood there for at least twenty years

      but about the madhouse around Tsaritsyno I agree ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 February 2016 18: 57
        0
        Nothing, soon these will be demolished.
  • 31rus
    31rus 16 February 2016 10: 29
    +2
    Dear, yes, it's not about the stalls when it turns out that the "equipped" point, after the demolition of the stalls, suddenly belongs to someone from the administration or their "families", where there are no equal opportunities for both the former owners and everyone who wants to "transparency", and this is all the same corruption, a side view
  • evil partisan
    evil partisan 16 February 2016 10: 30
    0
    Stalls speak what . crying
    Nostalgia...
  • Mr. Pip
    Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 10: 42
    +1
    Well done Sobyanin - after the meadow, the real order is brought in, with the meadow there was a mess in the city, which he did only with the Moscow Ring Road and other roads - sheer horror, it was high time to throw the cap in the trash!
    With the "tents" is also a separate topic - together with the shopping center (I will not even say anything about the "markets") at the most profitable (that is, checkpoints - where to go, you have to go) places, it was impossible to walk or drive in the city - and all this to that the same past the budget!
    In general, I'm glad the city is becoming like a civilized one - that's good!
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 16 February 2016 16: 31
      0
      Quote: Mr. PIP
      what he only with MKAD and other roads heaped up - continuous horror

      And what did he do with MKAD? Are you talking about expanding to 5 bands, which was with him?
      He built the third ring ... What is the "continuous horror"?
      1. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 16 February 2016 17: 40
        +1
        Quote: Al1977
        And what did he do with MKAD?

        Have you ever stood on it, like 5 hours?
        How can Luzhkov’s butterfly interchanges differ from Sobyaninsky in 5 levels?
        Can you "like everyone who knows nothing but climbs everywhere" to tell how the meadow "solved road problems" by blocking the traffic flow in Moscow with stupid rings (from which normal road workers stand on end) the flow of traffic in Moscow in order to stimulate the rise in property prices inside the rings?
  • atamankko
    atamankko 16 February 2016 11: 04
    +2
    While the government will be liberal towards the liberals,
    do not expect good from either the liberals or the government.
  • speelforce
    speelforce 16 February 2016 11: 09
    +1
    Interestingly, and all these "saviors of the fatherland" wondered - where, I apologize, - piss, shit, dumped waste tenants? - There was no fecal sewerage, there was no fatty canal - there, according to the documents, everything was collected in tanks and then pumped out and taken out, at a very expensive price. Not a damn thing, everything stupidly merged - into the storm sewer - not only not adapted for this, but also not capable of boiling it all in such volumes. All these self-tapping machines caused a bunch of problems for communal workers, who were perplexed - where did these deposits of hydrogenated fat come from, with the density of high-quality plastic. The same thing with water, which was stupidly stolen from the water utility, paid a penny, as for watering - without meters. And what is most important in the water utility they knew, they took it on their paws and everything is fine. I wrote this, then which I personally touched - the scale of corruption around these establishments is simply off scale - everyone was fed - from cops and firefighters, technical inspections, chiefs of public utilities, ending with tax. And why on earth would you tell me, the tax office freely passed documents on the free rent of all tenants? - And the owners - yes, philanthropists and altruists.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 16 February 2016 11: 58
      0
      Quote: speelforce
      I wrote this, then what I personally touched - the scale of corruption around these institutions is just going through the roof ...

      And I personally - "watched" these halabuds through the State Construction Committee, when trying to transfer them from the category of "halabud" to the group "capital building and construction", say the 2nd or even 1st! with a service life of 175 years ... more modestly - 150 years ... (did not take bribes - group work, responsibility under the Criminal Code "... as part of an organized group of persons ... with intent ...")
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 16 February 2016 15: 03
      0
      Quote: speelforce
      Interestingly, and all these "saviors of the fatherland" wondered - where, I apologize, - piss, shit, dumped waste tenants?

      So not everyone was demolished, the rest where to shit and piss?
  • Captain45
    Captain45 16 February 2016 11: 16
    +8
    Quote: Glot
    (there was no debt under Meadow),

    I already once cited as an example a real case from my life when in September 1999 of the year I was sent as part of the combined brigade of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the capital after the autumn bombings at Guryanova, Kashirka. In the capital, 3 weeks worked, doing what they were supposed to do Moscow near-station (district), which, incidentally, received good surcharges from the city budget, checked the passport regime. So all my impressions of the capital and its passport regime are expressed in the song of S. Trofimov:
    "Dear Luzhkov-zade,
    Wear a cap, wear it everywhere
    so that everyone can understand
    We are your bees, you are our mother! "
    Therefore, I don't need to say anything about Luzhkov that he is white and fluffy. Almost the entire leadership of the public security police (who knows the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, he understands what it is about) was, as they say, "from persons of Caucasian nationality." I saw this with my own eyes and contacted them by the nature of their activities. Who was the land leased out for these stalls? Under Sobyanin or Luzhkov? Sure ... the capital, now the hair on ... is tearing, crocodile tears are shedding, you had to move before.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 16 February 2016 11: 32
      +1
      For a long time it was necessary to demolish these buildings, which proliferated near metro stations and railway stations "ruled" there, mainly people of the so-called "Caucasian nationality" worked mainly without cash registers and, accordingly, checks and taxes, some kind of defective product was very difficult to return to them and this often happened with a scandal of a call to the police and calls from Rospotrebnadeor.
      Again, in the data of the building, some kind of muddy personality was constantly concentrated, so the solution is absolutely right.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 February 2016 11: 36
    +2
    If on the cage of an elephant you see the inscription buffalo do not believe your eyes. Kozma Rods
    I read the comments and am surprised. Huge shopping centers are being demolished, they told you "stalls", you believe. You were told by shawarma, you believe in dirt. They do not even hide their lies, everything is shown on TV, what are these two-story stalls, the size of a football field? How then did you scold the government for so long, and now suddenly believe it?
    Or gentlemen weathervanes, where will the wind blow? A year ago, you all yelled at closing the Poroshenko factory, they told you everything is legal, otherwise the people will have nowhere to work. Now the same faces, you are blatantly lying. about the fact that everyone will find a job. you as the hero of a fairy tale fell asleep twenty years ago and think that nothing has changed. Only in Moscow ALL stalls were demolished two years ago. Before you judge anything or yell approval, find out the truth!
    1. Seal
      Seal 16 February 2016 22: 47
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Huge shopping centers are being demolished, they told you "stalls", you believe.

      Yeah. It is so huge, two-story. Even a three-story building. But according to the documents - the kiosk of Soyuzpechat.
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 16 February 2016 12: 30
    +2
    Invented by railing, a stall is:

    1. A trailer, a union-printing kiosk, a 20-foot container, a makeshift hut - a misunderstanding that was illegally connected to a neighboring apartment building. Theft of Electricity.
    2. In which there is no toilet, and the saleswomen were forced to poop in a neighboring yard, or near the outlet itself. A CITIZEN SHOULD WATCH FOR THIS.
    3. Lined with bars aki Sailor silence, zugunder, which excludes the possibility of rescuing the seller in case of fire. And he was heated Self-made heaters and burned like Christmas fireworks.
    4. An object in which there are no conditions whatsoever for the storage of goods ACETONE and SYRINGES(for drug addicts) next to supposedly COOKIES.
    5. A cesspool filled with objects whose origin could not even be established by the FSB with its super-powerful reconnaissance apparatus.
    6. Not having any rights to the occupied land of the wigwam, which could be a lawn, a playground or a security zone for cable sewage, metro, electricity, sewage.
    7. Having no prospects of recognition by the building as an artifact in general, since it was cropped, at best converted, from building materials selected on HELP.
    8. A place for drinking all kinds of alcohol-containing liquids (palette vodka, wiper, triple cologne, bath and toilet cleaning products, cosmetic lotions, hair growing products, hydrolysis alcohol) and coping with natural needs of individuals who consumed these fluids.
    9. The resting place of these same personalities.
    10. A place of crowding of the local gopota that had been hilling these personalities, as well as wandering civilians.

    All permits and certificates for Moscow stalls have specific signatures. Well, let the owners of these heirs of the railwaysinoids ask from specific, who signed, persons. Let them pay, or sit.

    Down with the legacy of the 90s!
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 16 February 2016 17: 24
      +1
      "Down with the legacy of the 90s!"
      What are you talking about? "About privatization"? Or a constant increase in prices for everything? Or about the beggarly wages for the working people and about the delays in the payment of even these kopecks? .... Or about the "lawlessness" of officials? Or about predatory and uncontrolled housing and communal services? I hope you are about this, and not for another redistribution of property ...
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 16 February 2016 18: 06
        0
        I hope you are talking about this, and not for another redistribution of property.


        I support first half slogan of Polygraph Poligrafovich Sharikov "Take away everything ..."There is no need to divide, but to take away everything that has been acquired unjustly, I am for it. am

        A person does not need a plant, a jet plane, a field, an oilfield, a gas pipeline and a gold toilet. It is necessary for the state (without a toilet, for this is stinginess). A man needs an apartment; summer cottage with a pool, and possibly a tennis court; car (or car for each family member); a shop or workshop in which he works himself; pension savings and a reasonable bank account.

        There is no consensus in society regarding the recognition of privatization. If an individual built a business himself, then let him stay. And if the homunculus took a loan from the State Bank and bought a state-owned company at the mortgage auction, that is, he didn’t bring anything of his own - this is a looter and an enemy.
  • TROG
    TROG 16 February 2016 12: 35
    0
    I wish they were really brought down in St. Petersburg. Dreams, dreams.
  • Belousov
    Belousov 16 February 2016 12: 51
    0
    There is a permit and a certificate of ownership - so it will stand. If, in the presence of permits, they try to demolish this already article of the Criminal Code, you can safely submit an application and calculate the amount of compensation. And these screams about "killing" microbusiness are just laughter and nothing more.
  • elenagromova
    elenagromova 16 February 2016 13: 30
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    I will express another point of view - unpopular.
    1. Liberals scream because they just need any reason to scream. They themselves serve the interests of the big bourgeoisie, therefore, deep down they must rejoice.
    2. Demolition of tents is a blow to small businesses, as well as to the population. Now, people for every little thing will have to go to large stores. Those, in turn, simply zadrut prices again, and so already vadran up to indecency.
    3. Purely domestic inconvenience - when a person runs to work in the morning or goes out for lunch, he should have the opportunity to have something to eat along the way. Because there is no time to go to the store.
    4. Because of the crisis, reductions are growing, and here there are a few thousand more unemployed. By the way, illegal migrants have long been forbidden to work in commerce, so they did not suffer, but quite legal workers.
    5. All this is not started in time - and so there are plenty of reasons for discontent. Why was it necessary to give the liberals one more?
    6. In the end, it's all just extremely unaesthetic. In reality, it can be compared with the effects of a projectile ...