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Terms of delivery of "Alexander Obukhov" were disrupted due to non-delivery of French equipment

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The deadline for commissioning the head minesweeper "Alexander Obukhov" (12700 project) is thwarted by the refusal of the French to supply the necessary equipment, leads the blog bmpd words of the general director of the Sredne-Nevsky Shipbuilding Plant, Vladimir Seredokho.




"On the lead ship of the mine defense," Alexander Obukhov, "French equipment was provided - a mine search system. We received a notice from French colleagues in August 2015 that they could not deliver it to us because this equipment fell under sanctions, ”the general director said.

According to him, the company decided to move to another search system.

“We have found equipment to replace the French, which we will receive only in April of this year,” added Seredoho.

He noted that "the ship is fully built and is now located on the territory of the Leningrad Naval Base." His transfer the fleet to be held in the middle of the year.

Help bmpd: "By" French mine search system ", apparently, we mean remote-controlled mine-action devices of the K-STER series manufactured by the French company ECA Robotics - search K-STER I and mine destroyers K-STER C. In January 2014, ECA Robotics entered into an agreement with Russian LLC "Management Company" Prominvest "" (which is a part of Rostec Group of Companies) regarding the supply and subsequent organization of joint production in Russia of K-STER series devices.

It is also worth mentioning that the K-STER series of supplies of ECA Robotics should be part of the mine-armament complex of the 10750E raid minesweeper under construction at the Middle-Nevsky shipbuilding plant for Kazakhstan.
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  1. Aleksander
    Aleksander 15 February 2016 12: 53
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    “We found equipment to replace the French,” added Seredokho.


    This is the CORRECT title of the article!
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 February 2016 12: 56
      +5
      Quote: Aleksander
      “We found equipment to replace the French,” added Seredokho.


      This is the CORRECT title of the article!



      That's right, but they are engaged in verbiage.
      1. mine
        mine 16 February 2016 02: 07
        0
        And now, as a matter of fact -
        http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=161&p=11#p686772
      2. mine
        mine 16 February 2016 02: 29
        -1
        yeah, given the fact that they "found" this equipment back in 2004.
        Case No. A56-36213 / 2004 30 November 2004, St. Petersburg
        defendant, who is the chief executor of the state defense order for OCD "Alexandrite" on the basis of a joint decision of the head of the Navy's Shipbuilding department and the chief - general designer of the defendant from 21.05.04. No. 702 / 5 / 1093 held a closed competition of shortened outline designs for the creation of ISPUM (OKR on the topic “Alexandrite - ISPUM”, part of OKR Aleksandrit) 5 legal entities were invited to participate in the closed competition, including the plaintiff and 3 person , to the address of which the defendant sent the tender documentation by order of the chief - the general designer of the defendant from 16.08.04. No. 431 approved the composition of the commission to summarize the results of the competition according to the minutes of the meeting of the competitive commission of 17.08.04. Tender applications of the plaintiff, 3 person and FSUE CRI Gidropribor were accepted for consideration according to the protocol of the meeting of the tender commission of 19.08.04. 3-person recognized as the winner of the closed contest of shortened outline designs

        plaintiff CJSC "AQUAMARIN"
        defendant FSUE TsMKB "ALMAZ"
        third parties: FSUE GNPP "Region"
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    3. Michael67
      Michael67 15 February 2016 12: 57
      +3
      Send these paddlers ... There is nothing to deal with them. And the answer must be tough. Especially in space.
      1. mine
        mine 16 February 2016 02: 30
        0
        with matrices for thermal imagers also "send"?
    4. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 15 February 2016 13: 00
      +9
      Quote: Aleksander
      “We found equipment to replace the French,” added Seredokho.


      This is the CORRECT title of the article!

      And whose production, this freshly found equipment? It would be domestic - would not fail to mention. Who is not afraid of the wrath of the black master? China?
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 15 February 2016 13: 49
        +2
        Who is not afraid of the wrath of the black master? China?
        Took off the tongue. Do not go to the fortuneteller China.
        1. mine
          mine 16 February 2016 02: 08
          0
          go :)

          there is ALREADY a domestic ISPUM (and not at all "French")
    5. YARUSSIAN39
      YARUSSIAN39 15 February 2016 15: 58
      +2
      This is a lesson for us in the future, that we must have everything of our own, and not to purchase foreign ones.
      1. smershxnumx
        smershxnumx 15 February 2016 20: 32
        +2
        Our military-industrial complex sells weapons (weapons) for export, which are significantly inferior in their capabilities to those supplied for their own needs. Accordingly, the French were supposed to supply us with equipment with deliberately "truncated" characteristics ... Ie. the same French mines the minesweeper was not supposed to find (detect)? I apologize for the amateurish question ... Maybe someone is competent in this?
      2. mine
        mine 16 February 2016 02: 09
        -1
        before you flood stupid things, read a little on the topic;)
    6. Army1
      Army1 15 February 2016 22: 11
      0
      Quote: Aleksander
      “We found equipment to replace the French,” added Seredokho.


      This is the CORRECT title of the article!

      I am sure that we also have analogues, just the bureaucracy and the desire for kickbacks do their job
  2. Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ 15 February 2016 12: 54
    +6
    And we still cooperate with them in the military-industrial complex? Well, you give a pancake ... (c)
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 15 February 2016 13: 24
      +3
      Did the Mistral story teach us anything?

      In general, the "pace" of construction of minesweepers of this series is amazing. These ships should be built in packs, each year they should be lowered several times, and here is such a "surprise" request
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 15 February 2016 18: 30
        +2
        break not build. Once Srednenevsky built minesweepers in batches. I myself went to pr254. Strong and reliable. The engines were 40 years old and their power was given. But now not so long ago.
      2. mine
        mine 16 February 2016 02: 09
        +1
        what nafig "unexpected"?
        ALL experts knew about this "surprise" even ... years ago!
      3. mine
        mine 16 February 2016 02: 10
        0
        what a nafig "spontaneous"?!?!?

        ALL experts knew about this "surprise" even ... years ago
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 15 February 2016 14: 51
      +2
      all questions to the main tweeter of the country - Rogozin, who has been import substituting on the net for a year now.
      1. mine
        mine 16 February 2016 02: 11
        -1
        Rogozin has NOTHING to do with "troubles" 12700
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 16 February 2016 15: 14
          0
          No relationship? Remind you of his job title? According to it, it turns out so strange that he is either responsible for the entire military-industrial complex, the entire military-industrial complex, or is not responsible for anything. Only he can promise the people, they say, "in 2015" Vostochny "we will hand over - I give a tooth", and then "why do you need my healthy tooth?!?!" wassat
      2. Wiruz
        Wiruz 16 February 2016 15: 12
        0
        For this and the Commander-in-Chief to ask, God grant him a new place of work
    3. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 15 February 2016 14: 54
      -3
      Well, we have the same import substitution.
  3. OlegV
    OlegV 15 February 2016 12: 55
    0
    “We found equipment to replace the French, which we will receive only in April this year”

    Well, everything is fine, the main thing is to find a replacement, and let the French spare parts remain for the French .... they need them more .... as well as the "Mistrals")))
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2016 13: 06
      0
      Well, K-STER, along with American robots, are some of the best in the world. Most likely they bought it in China, there it is worse so far.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 15 February 2016 13: 13
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Most likely they bought it in China, there it is worse so far.

        Bmpd also had an option in the comments "the same French, but through an intermediary". As in the days of the USSR, when they managed to import even what fell under the COCOM restrictions - the same Toshibov machines.
        1. mine
          mine 16 February 2016 02: 12
          -1
          no, on this part the restriction was imposed tightly and even before official sanctions
      2. Altona
        Altona 15 February 2016 13: 14
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, K-STER, along with American robots, are some of the best in the world.

        --------------------------
        What is scanning there? Is it much more complicated than any conventional sounder to find herring and check the bottom?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 15 February 2016 15: 12
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          What is scanning there? Is it much more complicated than any conventional sounder to find herring and check the bottom?

          The French system has two types of remotely controlled self-propelled vehicles.
          K-STER I is a scout. K-STER C is a subversive charge carrier.
          Pros: cheap, relatively high-speed vehicles with a rotary warhead for the destruction of all types of mines, designed to work in "troubled" water.
          1. Altona
            Altona 15 February 2016 16: 32
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The French system has two types of remotely controlled self-propelled vehicles.

            -----------------------
            Thanks for clarifying. I mean, it can be possible to make some kind of analogue yourself, if there is an element base ...
          2. mine
            mine 16 February 2016 02: 13
            +1
            "relatively cheap"?!?!?

            Do you know their "price tag"?
  4. Magic archer
    Magic archer 15 February 2016 12: 55
    -1
    Here are the paddlers, their mother, they shabbed them everywhere! And they hit him in the pocket! It’s a pity that it happened. To compare and study technologies, this equipment would be useful to us ...
  5. barclay
    barclay 15 February 2016 12: 56
    +3
    French partners are the most reliable partners in the world!
    How long will this "haunt" us?
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 15 February 2016 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: barclay
      How long will this "haunt" us?

      Until the projects laid down "before" are finished.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 15 February 2016 13: 13
      +6
      Quote: barclay
      French partners are the most reliable partners in the world!
      How long will this "haunt" us?

      Yurein gas consumers are the most disciplined and solvent partners of Gazprom!

      To haunt us that "Mistrals", that Ukraine with "its" pipe, apparently, will be for a long time. Until there, NavIrhu, the mind is not enough not to stomp on the same gardening tool ... Until NavIrhu remembers that we are a great and self-sufficient country. AND we can depend neither on Ukraine, nor on France, nor on anyone else ...

      Until then - "Ay, ay, ay, ay ...."
      1. barclay
        barclay 15 February 2016 13: 33
        +4
        Yeah. The rake is not only a garden tool. It is also a "reminder".
  6. ilija93
    ilija93 15 February 2016 13: 00
    -2
    We were guarding some kind of French aircraft carrier there? Was it not with him, under the guise, that the equipment was baffled! wink
  7. Rosty
    Rosty 15 February 2016 13: 01
    +1
    To paddlers, all the same, it's time to decide whether they are smart or beautiful
    1. mine
      mine 16 February 2016 02: 17
      -1
      Well, they will depart from the hell from this statement, then they will decide ...
  8. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 15 February 2016 13: 01
    +6
    In fact, the minesweeper was laid back in 2011. And they knew that they had laid it even earlier. If they did everything on time (and the minesweeper was going to build and put into operation in 2014), then they would not be subject to sanctions and could receive the first set. And then - the study, cloning and release of their own - no worse.
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    2. mine
      mine 16 February 2016 02: 18
      0
      once again - there was ISPUM on a regular basis (developed by Region State Research and Production Enterprise OJSC)
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 February 2016 13: 10
    11
    It is time to consider the dependence of the military-industrial complex and the army on foreign supplies, especially from Western countries, a state crime aimed at undermining the country's defense capability. Either they did not deliver something and disrupted the commissioning of the ship, then suddenly the equipment in solving a combat mission may fail (for an "unknown" reason), etc. Where is the promised import substitution in the military-industrial complex?
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      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 15 February 2016 13: 22
        0
        They wanted advanced Western technologies to steal peacefully.

        In the old years, both GRushniki and the KGB Foreign Intelligence Service were good at tyrit (although slightly different tasks were set before it). And in this situation, they hoped for the decency of a business partner, but as often happens we were "thrown" again.
  10. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 15 February 2016 13: 19
    +3
    I came to my relatives, in Voronezh, so there are two factories, Electronics and Elektropribor, but in France we create jobs while our own people are out of work. Even Iran requires the transfer of technology if tanks are purchased from Russia T-90, and we all hang noodles on our ears ...
  11. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 15 February 2016 13: 24
    0
    And they probably paid the money in advance? Now pay for one device 2 times?
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 15 February 2016 13: 31
      +1
      They might return the money, but the ship was needed yesterday, and it won’t be there tomorrow. If there’s a war, again we’ll stay with these clever men with one rifle for three and they won’t send their children to the front, just as they didn’t send their children to the front son of Poroshenko and others like him, in Ukraine.
  12. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 15 February 2016 13: 26
    +4
    I would like to ask Rogozin and other wiseacres - "Where is your import substitution and when will they start jailing those responsible for disrupting the state defense order ?!"
  13. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 15 February 2016 13: 26
    +6
    The deadlines for the delivery of the head minesweeper Alexander Obukhov (12700 project) were disrupted due to the French refusal to supply the necessary equipment, the bmpd blog quoted Vladimir Seredokho, director general of the Sredne-Nevsky Shipbuilding Plant.
    This is a weak attempt to justify their inaction. Such a course of events could be calculated in advance and appropriate countermeasures taken. This is not a CEO level.
  14. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 15 February 2016 13: 35
    0
    According to him, the company decided to move to another search system.

    “We have found equipment to replace the French, which we will receive only in April of this year,” added Seredoho.

    And where are the naval ones? Who determines the "face" of the ship? Seredokho or a customer?
    1. mine
      mine 16 February 2016 02: 19
      0
      the city of Chirkov, in.11977 from 21.11.14 (GC Navy):
      The current situation with naval underwater weapons (MPO) of the Navy can be briefly described as "ships (submarines) are unarmed and defenseless." We are on the verge of another “Tsushima”, which we can get not only from the US Navy, but even ......... (due to the antiquarianism and combat effectiveness of the Navy’s mine forces from the modern mine threat).
      Planned measures (“The concept of the development of the IOF of the Navy, OCD .... ..... ....., etc.) not only do not solve these acute problems, but they preserve a huge gap with Western countries (reaching 50 years!) and further.
      There are four main reasons:
      • lack of modern scientific and technical groundwork (and comprehensive experimental research for its production);
      • scanty and biased statistics of firing both during the Navy’s ammunition and tests of new models, and in obviously simplified conditions, so far there has not been a single real test ...;
      • the system of falsification of information on the situation with IGOs ​​and tests that has developed in the system of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense (here too - deliberate and deliberate “relaxation” in Programs and test methods), misinformation of the leadership and command about the real situation and the extent of the lag behind the probable enemy;
      • Conscious actions (inaction) of persons (including those in the RF Ministry of Defense and the Navy) and leading organizations (and their lobbyists) to exclude the development and adoption of modern MPO by the Navy.
      .
      The critical problem of the Navy is mine defense (PMO). In March of this year [2014] handed over ... .... a document (in the appendix) on the situation, possible consequences and necessary measures .... taking into account the current military-political situation. Necessary measures are not taken. "Hopes" on ISPUM have no reliable basis.
  15. 4ekist
    4ekist 15 February 2016 13: 49
    +1
    Quote: Michael67
    Send these paddlers ... There is nothing to deal with them. And the answer must be tough. Especially in space.

    Close them the supply of frogs and snails too!
  16. Havoc
    Havoc 15 February 2016 13: 50
    +2
    Recently, more and more often you hear, for example, the terms of resettlement in different cities, the resettlement of people from decrepit housing have been disrupted, the terms of this have been disrupted, that is disorder, irresponsibility, and maybe all the same frank wrecking.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 13: 53
      0
      Quote: Havoc
      or maybe all the same frank wrecking.

      No, it seems the vertical of power is not vertical ...
    2. glasha3032
      glasha3032 15 February 2016 14: 10
      +1
      This is not wrecking, this is a clear sense of impunity! The state allocates a lot of money, but the executors do NOTHING and at the end of the year the allocated target money is handed back - we say they did not plunder it! But they didn’t do anything! In fact, the officials sit all year and do nothing, they don’t receive a feeble salary and everyone except the population is happy - the state says, we allocated money, the officials say we saved money, did not steal, and that it’s not done, well, so next year it may be possible to get along. So we live, and the money has been allocated, and there is plenty of work and enough unemployed - but ... things are not going on, and guilty, judging by the reaction of the authorities, no ...
      1. mine
        mine 16 February 2016 02: 40
        0
        You were clearly told above - "they" "are developing an anti-submarine station."
        Well, "they" are not interested in ISISUM, "they" have already satisfied their "SCIENTIFIC LOVE" on it
  17. glasha3032
    glasha3032 15 February 2016 14: 02
    +1
    Here, recently, our ships gave honor to their aircraft carrier .... But they answer like that .... A torpedo would be needed on board!
  18. ava09
    ava09 15 February 2016 15: 19
    +2
    Quote: cniza
    Quote: Aleksander
    “We found equipment to replace the French,” added Seredokho.


    This is the CORRECT title of the article!



    That's right, but they are engaged in verbiage.


    It would be even more correct: We have created equipment to replace the French. But then, if I understood correctly, they replaced one import with another.
    1. mine
      mine 16 February 2016 02: 20
      -1
      You did not understand
  19. Ugrumiy
    Ugrumiy 15 February 2016 15: 20
    0
    The question is, why was initially not included in the project YOUR search engine, why it was not developed by us earlier !? am
    1. mine
      mine 16 February 2016 02: 22
      -1
      she was there;)
      and there is

      "Alexandrite-ISPUM"
  20. Zena20298
    Zena20298 15 February 2016 15: 47
    0
    Dismiss all these "clever men" with a wolf ticket who ordered this publication from the French ...
  21. cergey51046
    cergey51046 15 February 2016 17: 08
    0
    Get a contractual penalty and for the money with interest to produce the necessary equipment. Enough to feed the enemies.
  22. mine
    mine 16 February 2016 02: 23
    0
    if you don’t flog a little, but at least slightly read on the topic, a completely different picture opens:
    http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=161&p=11#p686772
    http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=161&p=10#p583655