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Why Erdogan threatens and hysteria

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Why Erdogan threatens and hysteria Turkish President Erdogan launched a series of accusations against Russia. In fact, the main refrain of this accusation was that Russia behaves in Syria as an occupier. In fact, he accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of occupying Syria. At the same time, Erdogan threatened to use all the forces and means available in his arsenal to prevent this “occupation”. Specifically stipulated that Turkey will no longer repeat the mistake of the times of the Gulf War, when it refused to join the coalition against Saddam Hussein, and welcomes any coalition to influence Assad and Russia.


In support of the belligerent position of Ankara, statements were made by Riyadh: Saudi Arabia also stated that it was ready to launch a military operation in Syria, though without specifying whether it was going to fight ISIS or against Assad. Of course, the Saudis have less military capabilities than Erdogan, and a large part of them are now involved in the Yemeni conflict with the Hussites. But Saudi Arabia is leading a whole coalition in this conflict, which includes many states in the region, including Qatar, Kuwait and even Somalia. But the Saudis and their allies can use their forces in Syria only from the territory of Iraq "under the umbrella" of the United States. To transfer them to Turkey and act from there is a task practically impossible for them.

But regardless of whether the Turks act alone or with the support of the Saudis, their military invasion of Syria would mean a violation of its sovereignty, which will be the subject of litigation by the UN. However, the Turks have a precedent of Northern Cyprus, so the UN resolutions themselves are unlikely to stop them. But the actions of the Russian armed forces, the Syrian and Iranian armies - completely. Since in the case of Turkish aggression, the 1980 law of peace and friendship with Syria will come into effect, according to which the Soviet Union (and its successor in the person of the Russian Federation) is obliged to provide any military assistance in case of external aggression. It is clear that in this case, Turkey is playing a game that can cost her dearly. The Turkish armed forces in the region are the most powerful. But, of course, they can not be compared with the military power of Russia. Turkey, of course, is counting on the help of the countries of the NATO bloc, of which it is a member. But as far as NATO will be ready to intervene and come to the aid of Turkey, if Turkey actually invades the territory of a third country and unleashes a war, the question is open.

Today, under the arms of Turkey is about 300 thousand soldiers and officers of the ground forces, about 80 modern combat aircraft, which one way or another can be used against Russia. Virtually no shock aviationthat could work on goals on earth, and there are about fifteen hundred tanks all modifications that one way or another can be thrown into battle. But at the same time, the terrain on which Turkey can start hostilities will prevent wide and rapid advancement. This is a mountainous and wooded area in which most of the Turkish advantages will be leveled, given the enormous combat experience of the Syrian army and the militias that are fighting there.

It is clear that in this case, of course, Turkey will have to face the impact of the Russian videoconferencing. The strike force in Syria is quite capable of inflicting a very serious defeat on Turkey. In fact, Turkey will have to choose between big and very big wars - with completely unclear prospects. What makes Turkey act so recklessly and so adventurously? Of course, the main problem here is Erdogan’s huge geopolitical plan, which is derailing today. The plan for the division of Syria, the restoration of some huge new Turkey, the new Ottoman Empire, led by Erdogan himself, who aims to restore the brilliant Porto almost in the power and glory of the XVII century. Many billions of dollars have already been spent on the implementation of this plan. It was within its framework that Turkey actually unleashed a war on the territory of Syria, connecting to it other candidates for the "Syrian pie" section represented by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc. But with the activation in this region of Russia, with the start of the operation of its VKS in Syria, this plan began to rapidly roll down the slope.

Today, when pro-Turkish groups in northern Syria are almost completely defeated, when the area around Aleppo is being cleared, and until the full control of official Damascus over the border remains, only a few days remain for Turkey, an hour comes for Turkey. will have to leave big politics: both world and Turkish. Therefore, he threatens and hysteria. What will be Russia's response to these threats? In my opinion, it is already completely obvious. Beginning in the troops of the Southern Military District, the combat readiness test should cool the Turkish rage. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the purpose of this action is to check the capabilities of the transfer of forces and equipment to different regions, as well as the use of all the most modern types of weapons and combat control systems. For those who are closely monitoring the situation and are engaged in military analysis, it is clear that Russia will not succumb to Ankara’s blackmail and is ready for any developments in this geostrategic direction. So, in which case, Erdogan and Co. really "will not get off with some tomatoes."
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  1. VP
    VP 15 February 2016 06: 00
    47
    This hto in the photo, Erdogan or something in makeup?

    And on the topic ... Iran yesterday made a statement about the following topic: "Do not meddle in Syria, otherwise we will actively enter the conflict with large forces and serious means."
    1. Silkway0026
      Silkway0026 15 February 2016 06: 07
      48
      He will need makeup very soon. Having shot down our plane, Erdogan himself became a downed pilot ... Paradox?
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 15 February 2016 06: 19
        13
        Why Erdogan threatens and hysteria

        Schizophrenia has entered a violent phase ... request
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 15 February 2016 06: 26
          21
          I don’t understand how Erdogan can be so inadequate!
          He must be sent to the doctor! To the doctor - and as soon as possible! Or to jail! And also as soon as possible! Otherwise, the world will be filled with blood from its religious-medieval madness!
          1. sgazeev
            sgazeev 15 February 2016 06: 50
            15
            Quote: Tatiana
            I don’t understand how Erdogan can be so inadequate!
            He must be sent to the doctor! To the doctor - and as soon as possible! Or to jail! And also as soon as possible! Otherwise, the world will be filled with blood from its religious-medieval madness!
            1. Enot-poloskun
              Enot-poloskun 15 February 2016 07: 21
              14
              Why is Erdogan hysterical?

              He just doesn’t have everything at home ...

              And in the country, many residents, for example, Kurds, do not feel at home.

              That is why Azerbaijanis in Iran, who are many there, do not dream of joining Azerbaijan?

              Because - there is no oppression. And in Turkey, there is.

              There is a proposal to resettle Erdogan to his historical homeland - to the Altai mountains. Maybe there will come peace of mind.
              1. Barnaul, Altai
                Barnaul, Altai 15 February 2016 14: 54
                +5
                You are joking? do not we need this possessed?
                And secondly, in Altai - the Altai people are an indigenous people ...
                What side did Erdoganishka become an Altai?
                1. Karlovar
                  Karlovar 15 February 2016 16: 05
                  0
                  Türks, Turkic languages, from an Altai family .... The ancestral home of the Türks, Tunguso-Manchurians (in addition to the Tunguses and Manchurians are also Japanese, Koreans and someone else there) -Altai ...
                2. electrooleg
                  electrooleg 15 February 2016 16: 11
                  +9
                  That's right, let his Barnaul boys teach turnip logs laughing
                3. 73bor
                  73bor 15 February 2016 18: 04
                  +2
                  This Zema Erdogan has come off his roots and hasn’t acquired others, and he forgot about his own!
            2. major147
              major147 15 February 2016 11: 15
              0
              I ask you not to insult the dogs!
            3. python2a
              python2a 15 February 2016 18: 38
              0
              Sharikov nervously smokes aside!
          2. 2С5
            2С5 15 February 2016 07: 05
            10
            ... did you expect something else from the protégés? They drive under their "roof" or "umbrella" only paranoid and schizonauts who are easy to control ... I think there is no point in giving examples. "Talking heads", puppets, parsley, controlled by the hand of the State Department inserted in the ass - that's all the characteristic for such "proud eastern (and not only) rulers" ... negative
          3. novobranets
            novobranets 15 February 2016 14: 40
            +2
            Quote: Tatiana
            To the doctor - and as soon as possible! Or to jail!

            To the prison doctor. Which is called a pathologist. am
          4. 4 wheels
            4 wheels 17 February 2016 17: 08
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            He must be sent to the doctor! To the doctor - and as soon as possible!

            A bullet or poison is the best cure for outraged Turkish dogs! am
        2. Scandinavian
          Scandinavian 15 February 2016 07: 26
          +4
          Turkey strikes first airstrike north of Aleppo and prepares ground operation The situation in the Aleppo region has changed dramatically over the past hours. A number of Arab media and social networks reported that Turkish aircraft launched an air strike in the region of Northern Aleppo. This is the first airstrike from Turkish territory. Also, according to eyewitnesses, military drones that allegedly belong to the Turkish army were seen over Aleppo. Earlier, the same drones were seen during the adjustment of the artillery strike, which was launched yesterday at the positions of the Assad forces and the forces of the Kurdistan army.

          Under the cover of Turkish artillery, the rebels regained control of the village of Al Aliya (pr Latakia). According to some reports, the Turkish army today can cross the Syrian border and establish a safe zone between Azez and Aleppo.

          Also, according to unconfirmed reports, Turkish special forces have been operating for the past two days in the Aleppo region of Syria. On the other hand, Iran has promised to help support Assad's air defense, if necessary.
          1. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 15 February 2016 10: 44
            13
            ..... Turkish aviation launched an air strike in the region of Northern Aleppo. This is the first airstrike from Turkish territory .....

            .... belay .... And where is the Russian air defense ????? .... Or again we will express our concern ???? ... Impunity breeds permissiveness ..... request
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 15 February 2016 12: 00
              20
              Quote: aleks 62 next
              .... Turkish aviation launched an air strike in the region of Northern Aleppo. This is the first airstrike from Turkish territory .....

              ... ah, now we re-read ... and carefully: ... "A number of Arab media and social networks"... well, British scientists have confirmed it ...laughing ... and, in general, it was written on Conte ... by a certain "Russian Jew" http://cont.ws/post/202110 ... so crap is all ... hi ... the reliability of such a source is 0 for me ... hi
            2. 73bor
              73bor 15 February 2016 18: 09
              0
              To Aleppo, about 50 km from the border, for a fighter jet for a few seconds in the sky, but I think ours are waiting for a more appropriate moment - cleanliness in our blood!
        3. Now we are free
          Now we are free 15 February 2016 08: 06
          17
          Vladislav Vladislavovich Shurygin, as an expert on the analysis of the military-political situation in the world, is one of the best and is included (for me personally) in the top three people along with Satanovsky E.Ya. and Starikov N.V., who can in an understandable Russian language talk about what is happening / what is happening / what is going on.
          1. atalef
            atalef 15 February 2016 08: 18
            +3
            Quote: Now we are free
            The situation in the world is one of the best and is included (personally for me) in the top three people along with Satanovsky E.Ya. and Starikov N.V.

            Well chesslovo. Satan is certainly not stupid. but yesterday he spoke a little. having said. that the videoconferencing group in Syria is enough to roll out all the Turkish Air Force
            Turkish Air Force inferior to the Russian in number, in their composition 1020 aircraft
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 15 February 2016 10: 44
              +7
              . but yesterday he spoke a little. having said. that the videoconferencing group in Syria is enough to roll out all the Turkish Air Force,
              you simply do not take into account air strikes, and this cannot be ruled out.
              1. foxic
                foxic 16 February 2016 10: 14
                +2
                strikes at aerodromes are even very necessary to take into account .... any aerodrome is characterized by a take-off-landing density, i.e. how many planes per unit of time can you take into the air or land. plus refueling and reloading options. time, in this case, is flying ammunition, a rocket or an airplane. EVERYTHING THAT DOESN'T TIME TO FLY UP - JUST

                my opinion is that there can be no talk of any 1000 aircraft.
            2. lex locis
              lex locis 15 February 2016 11: 35
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Well chesslovo. Satan is certainly not stupid. but yesterday he spoke a little. having said. that the videoconferencing group in Syria is enough to roll out all the Turkish Air Force


              With the support of "Caliber" from the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, our VKS will roll out whoever you like in the form of Turkish warriors,
            3. Ardein
              Ardein 15 February 2016 13: 23
              +4
              In fact, the article said that aircraft strike aircraft. That is, those that could be effectively used against ground targets. The rest are capable of shooting down our attack aircraft, which are not intended for air combat, but they will easily rake (until the shot down of our Su-24, the Turkish air forces were not considered enemy targets) from our aircraft (the very Su-35S, Su-30SM and Su-34 with air-to-air weapons) and our air defense.
              If you noticed, then all of the above three types of aircraft are equipped with modern electronic warfare systems and are perfectly adapted for maneuverable air combat (American F-16s are even inferior to them in this version). The containers of electronic warfare systems are clearly visible on the end pylons.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 15 February 2016 19: 06
                +1
                I’m certainly not an expert, but as those who know said, if the Turks nevertheless decide on a gamble, and they can whisper to them from across the ocean. We all remember Georgia and our peacekeepers in Ossetia, then most likely our group in Syria has a cover. This is provided that we completely miss the beginning of the attack, and they will very well use it.
                We have practically no electronic warfare equipment there, as it were, but we almost see what is happening behind the mountain. Of course, we will see an armada of 300 snouts and 000 tanks, but if a point attack from several squadrons of f-1200s hiding behind the folds of relief, no s-16s there will help. goals are essentially stationary. And not one EW against the projectile, nothing will help.
                As Pearl Harbor put it, "the attack is always invisible."
                Another thing is that the Turks will trivially kill. We already showed ourselves not from the best side, when we ignored the downed Su-24. Omit the controversy at the expense of the correctness or incorrectness of this. in general, time will tell, but we have something to fear.
                and in the loyalty you must try by all means to move away from the war, because this is exactly what the Americans want.
            4. andj61
              andj61 15 February 2016 20: 14
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              at chesslovo. Satan is certainly not stupid. but yesterday he spoke a little. having said. that the videoconferencing group in Syria is enough to roll out all the Turkish Air Force
              Turkish Air Force inferior to the Russian in number, in their composition 1020 aircraft

              Does Turkey have more than 1000 aircraft? what
              Actually, they don’t have enough with training and three hundred! And it’s unlikely that they are all ready for combat. Transport, apparently, should not be considered at all. True, the Russian air group in Syria is unlikely to cope with such a quantity. Actually only Su-30, Su-34 and Su-35 are capable of fighting in the air. Less than two dozen cars against 170 only F-16? It will not be enough!
              Greetings, Alexander! hi
            5. OlegLex
              OlegLex 19 February 2016 21: 15
              0
              life will show whether Satanovsky is right or not, but the fact that our group will be able to confront the Turks is beyond doubt
          2. major147
            major147 15 February 2016 11: 19
            +7
            Yesterday, Mr. Satanovsky (whom I personally respect very much) announced on TV that the Turkish General Staff was not going to execute the invasion order without a UN Security Council resolution. Apparently they don’t want to sit on the same bench as Erdogan.
            1. uragan114
              uragan114 16 February 2016 12: 15
              0
              major147 (1) RU Yesterday, 11:19 ↑

              Yesterday, Mr. Satanovsky (whom I personally respect very much) announced on TV that the Turkish General Staff was not going to execute the invasion order without a UN Security Council resolution. Apparently they don’t want to sit on one bench while Erdogan

              Is a coup planned? Army want to take control under their control?
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        5. kotvov
          kotvov 15 February 2016 10: 42
          +2
          Schizophrenia has entered a violent phase .. ,,
          I agree, and I think until he gets through the horns he will not calm down, or calm down.
        6. Flexsus
          Flexsus 15 February 2016 14: 05
          +1
          so spring, my friend, the peak of exacerbations ...
        7. ordinary
          ordinary 17 February 2016 11: 31
          0
          he will not get off with tomatoes. these "tomatoes" have already been pinched to him ... angry
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        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 15 February 2016 06: 27
          +9
          Quote: Tatiana
          I don’t understand how Erdogan can be so inadequate!
          He needs a doctor! To the doctor - and as soon as possible! Or to jail! And also as soon as possible!

          Well, suppose you can at least get him to the hospital, or even to prison. But what do you want to do with 70% of Turks who support the policy of neo-Ottomanism personified and pursued by Erdogan?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 15 February 2016 07: 05
            16
            You know, everything will be like in a battle at the front according to the laws of psychology. Usually everything happens how?
            The commander was killed before the attack or at the beginning of the battle - and if there was no one to replace him, then the attack immediately waned. It’s important not only to capture the target of the attack, but to understand why and what to do with it later! And if the rank and file do not know what and how, then the activity of the fighters decreases.
            I don’t think that these 70% Turks really need the Ottoman Empire and that they all see themselves as developers (beneficiaries) from this war. There is no Erdogan - the Ottoman Empire does not need ordinary Turks.
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 15 February 2016 07: 17
              +8
              Quote: Tatiana
              The commander was killed before the attack or at the beginning of the attack - and if there is no one to replace him, then the attack immediately decreases

              There is someone to replace Erdogan with. Davutoglu is the same, who is even worse than Recep Pasha. I don't really understand the personalities of Turkish politics, but I think there is a "worthy" replacement.
              Following your logic, for example, if you remove Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk, Ukraine will instantly become friendly and pro-Russian? An idealistic view of things, sorry.
            2. igordok
              igordok 15 February 2016 08: 30
              14
              Quote: Tatiana
              I don’t think that these 70% Turks really need the Ottoman Empire

              1. Barnaul, Altai
                Barnaul, Altai 15 February 2016 14: 59
                +3
                I set the picture plus for originality ... but I don’t agree with the size of the territory on the 4 frame.

                Turks - scatter,
                state - to deprive
                straits - take away!
              2. Yngvar
                Yngvar 15 February 2016 17: 39
                0
                But Turkey may not even exist ... Kurds, and there are more than 20 million of them, just dream of a great Kurdistan ...
          2. 2С5
            2С5 15 February 2016 07: 08
            +6
            ... and you yourself interviewed and counted these percentages? And in (on) "schenevmerle" how many% does the parashenka support? Do not take it for the trouble to even roughly estimate, so as not to trust the analysis of any "centers for the study of public opinion" ... well pagalsta! repeat
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 15 February 2016 07: 28
              +7
              Quote: 2C5
              ..a did you directly interrogate and consider these percentages?

              And I didn’t count directly, I counted the Central Election Commission of Turkey or whatever they call such a structure. Support for Erdogan in the presidential elections in purely Turkish provinces was more than 70%. Now, I think, even more. One should not be carried on talking "Turks are losing money from Russian sanctions, so they will see clearly." The sanctions seem to have even rallied the Russians, but why are the Turks worse? By the fact that the Turks?
          3. Yura
            Yura 15 February 2016 10: 11
            0
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            But what do you want to do with 70% of the Turks

            And 70% of the Turks is actually how much? So how much in relation to the population of Turkey? Just a question.
          4. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 15 February 2016 10: 46
            +1
            ...... But what do you want to do with 70% of Turks supporting the policy of neo-Ottomanism personified and pursued by Erdogan? ....

            ... On a tough diet .... For starters - a gas ..... Nothing is sobering like cold .... lol
    2. nimboris
      nimboris 15 February 2016 06: 08
      0
      author of the article
    3. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 15 February 2016 06: 09
      31
      Quote: VP
      This hto in the photo, Erdogan or something in makeup?

      This is Vlad Shurygin - the author of the article. An excellent military journalist and competent expert.
      ..the huge geopolitical plan of Erdogan, which today is going downhill. The plan for the partition of Syria, to restore some new huge Turkey, the new Ottoman Empire, headed by Erdogan himself

      As a result, the Turks will receive, instead of the Brilliant Porta, a sloppy semi-Porto. Without the Kurdish provinces, Kars and Ararat.
      1. Delink
        Delink 15 February 2016 06: 24
        +1
        No, it's the other way around. They will generally disappear from the face of the earth as an artificially created nation.
      2. VP
        VP 15 February 2016 07: 03
        0
        This is Vlad Shurygin - the author of the article. An excellent military journalist and competent expert.

        I have absolutely nothing against the author of the article, it's just customary that the article is usually illustrated with something thematic, so the stereotype "an article about Erdogan means a photo too" wink
      3. kunstkammer
        kunstkammer 15 February 2016 15: 15
        0
        Without the Kurdish provinces, Kars and Ararat.

        it would not be bad to turn them from Cyprus.
    4. avva2012
      avva2012 15 February 2016 06: 11
      20
      Quote: VP Iran yesterday made a statement about the following topic: "Do not meddle in Syria, otherwise we will actively enter the conflict with large forces and serious means."

      I’ll add a little, colleague.
      "Jazairi (Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, Brigadier General), in an interview with Al-Alam TV, indicated that the statements of Turkey and Saudi Arabia about their intentions to send their ground forces to Syria, while the Syrian Arab Army is successfully leading the offensive, are nothing more than political hype and psychological warfare. ”He added that the government and people of Syria are determined not to back down from such policies.
      According to him, Iran will never allow the situation in Syria to develop the way the “countries of evil” want, and it will take the necessary measures in a timely manner. ”And, more.
      "He said that there is complete coordination of positions in the political and military spheres between Moscow and Tehran, Iran approves of the Russian presence in the Syrian arena."
    5. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 15 February 2016 06: 14
      +3
      Quote: VP
      This hto in the photo, Erdogan or something in makeup?

      And on the topic ... Iran yesterday made a statement about the following topic: "Do not meddle in Syria, otherwise we will actively enter the conflict with large forces and serious means."



      I would like to pull the Chinese to this process, but if we can cope with our own forces with Iran, then let them not be offended, they do not claim to be on the market.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 15 February 2016 06: 28
        +6
        Quote: INVESTOR I would like to pull the Chinese to this process, but if we can cope with our own forces with Iran, then let them not be offended, they do not claim to be on the market.

        In China, there is a parable about a monkey sitting on a tree under which two tigers are fighting. Mao, also voiced about relations between China, the USA and the USSR. So that they do not get involved, traditions respect.
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 15 February 2016 09: 14
        +1
        China certainly will not climb. Not his theme ... not his yet.
        1. UZBEK TASHKENT
          UZBEK TASHKENT 15 February 2016 09: 57
          +5
          China in reverse gear. Remember the aircraft carrier of the Navy of China, which went into the Mediterranean to support the VKS and by some miracle (at that time Mr. Hu was in the mattress for a visit) turned around and left ... The Chinese got their yuan at the IMF and probably something else that we don’t know yet, but we can guess. It's not a monkey in a tree. There was an exchange. The Turks were promised Syria (part of it) and the Crimea, the Chinese have received theirs or will receive it all depends on the scenario. If there is war, then why not promise the Far East to the Chinese, there is still Kaliningrad.
    6. atalef
      atalef 15 February 2016 06: 59
      -9
      Quote: VP
      This hto in the photo, Erdogan or something in makeup?

      And on the topic ... Iran yesterday made a statement about the following topic: "Do not meddle in Syria, otherwise we will actively enter the conflict with large forces and serious means."

      How and how can Iran enter the conflict? Between it and Syria, it seems like Iraq is located?
      1. Allech28-2
        Allech28-2 15 February 2016 07: 37
        11
        Quote: atalef
        How and how can Iran enter the conflict? Between it and Syria, it seems like Iraq is located?

        Tell me honestly: "Wow, what a hunt for me, what would Russia rake out." That's the whole point of your "expert" comments.
        1. atalef
          atalef 15 February 2016 07: 49
          0
          Quote: Alleh28-2
          Quote: atalef
          How and how can Iran enter the conflict? Between it and Syria, it seems like Iraq is located?

          Tell me honestly: "Wow, what a hunt for me, what would Russia rake out." That's the whole point of your "expert" comments.

          There will be no war, no one is interested in this, including Russia.
          1. Allech28-2
            Allech28-2 15 February 2016 07: 53
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            There will be no war, no one is interested in this, including Russia.

            I am inclined towards this, but I am just me .... God forbid. We will see.
            1. dorz
              dorz 15 February 2016 10: 57
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              There will be no war, no one is interested in this, including Russia.

              The war is beneficial only to the Americans: in the event of a conflict with Russia, Turkey will at least lose all of its air forces, and in the worst case, disappear from the world map (about 70 million people live in a relatively small territory) and therefore the conflict will go into the hot phase for Turkey a catastrophe, and Erdogan’s ambitions are apparently stronger than reason.
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 15 February 2016 10: 51
            +1
            There will be no war, no one is interested in this, including Russia.,
            First, I apologize, minus accidentally set. Give GOD that it is not there, but Erdogan seems insane to me, his plans for a great ottomania are crumbling, he can go to great hell.
          3. lex locis
            lex locis 15 February 2016 11: 50
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            There will be no war, no one is interested in this, including Russia.


            And then what is going on in Syria if not war. Just because there are no Russian soldiers running around the land does not mean that there is no war.
            The war is already underway. Intensity is not at world level ....
          4. demchuk.ig
            demchuk.ig 15 February 2016 16: 07
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Alleh28-2
            Quote: atalef
            How and how can Iran enter the conflict? Between it and Syria, it seems like Iraq is located?

            Tell me honestly: "Wow, what a hunt for me, what would Russia rake out." That's the whole point of your "expert" comments.

            There will be no war, no one is interested in this, including Russia.

            Now I saw in the news, Turkey invaded the territory of Syria in the number of 10 pickup cars with DShK machine guns cal 14.5mm (as was said) and about 100 people.
          5. Stas157
            Stas157 16 February 2016 19: 36
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            There will be no war, no one is interested in this, including Russia.

            You can expect everything from a psychopath, Erdogan, because he shot down our plane, no one expected that the Turks would decide on this! Our planes even flew without cover!
      2. lex locis
        lex locis 15 February 2016 11: 47
        0
        Quote: atalef
        How and how can Iran enter the conflict?


        He already entered into conflict. The Iranian military and Hezbollah are fighting with might and main in Syria. And do not bother ....
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    8. Svetlana
      Svetlana 15 February 2016 09: 03
      +1
      Quote: VP
      This hto in the photo, Erdogan or something in makeup?

      The author of the article is Vladislav Shurygin.
    9. marlin1203
      marlin1203 15 February 2016 11: 09
      -1
      Crush reptiles! .. Until the negotiating table was seated ...
    10. korvin1976
      korvin1976 15 February 2016 12: 25
      +4
      Well, then in the photo the one whose this one is to become, and what does Erdogan and makeup have to do with it is not entirely clear. Or write only to write at least something?
    11. oborzevatel
      oborzevatel 16 February 2016 09: 43
      +1
      Quote: VP
      This hto in the photo ...?

      Something like that.
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      Russian performer
      Russian pop artist, coupletist, laureate of the All-Russian contest of pop artists, Honored Artist of Russia.

      I thought something like that.
  2. Good cat
    Good cat 15 February 2016 06: 05
    -5
    Afraid of Erdogan, they are not used to fighting.
    1. Allech28-2
      Allech28-2 15 February 2016 07: 30
      0
      Quote: Good cat
      Afraid of Erdogan, they are not used to fighting.

      They didn’t know how when .. There are a lot of examples in history.
      1. kush62
        kush62 15 February 2016 13: 40
        +4
        Allech28-2 DE Today, 07:30 ↑ New
        Quote: Good cat
        Afraid of Erdogan, they are not used to fighting.
        They didn’t know how when .. There are a lot of examples in history.

        Unable to fight, they would not have conquered the floor of the world. It just so happened that Russia was on their way. And Napoleon could fight and Hitler Germany. But everyone is fooling around with us. That's the whole story !!!
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  3. venaya
    venaya 15 February 2016 06: 05
    +8
    The plan for the partition of Syria, to restore some new huge Turkey, the new Ottoman Empire

    I think that his curators, as usual, reassured the unfortunate, and then they would still throw them out of habit as they threw all their proteges when they completed their tasks. The Moor did his work and went out.
    1. 2С5
      2С5 15 February 2016 07: 16
      +1
      ... curators again shove money in a point, do not you think? We flew over with XXLs, with freaks, even a feng shui, now they’re trying to invent a trap for Russia in BV ... they don’t worry about money, they don’t print the coulef while there is paper with paint, but they don’t calculate the consequences, yes! This is a specific jamb ... yes ... although, by and large, there is nothing much to lose (I'm talking about world authority), they did a lot of things and they missed the initiative on BV, and now "it's too late to drink Borjomi, the kidney has fallen off" ... their mistake, in my opinion, is that they still use the methods of 20-30 years ago against Russia without taking into account the experience that Russia has received over the years ...
      1. 2С5
        2С5 15 February 2016 15: 27
        +1
        ... gentlemen, comrades, do not consider your minuses to be at least somehow justified, but how do you act chesslovo! We clicked and continued to click. You may have nothing, but I have a trauma of mental and low self-esteem after this and, as a result, insomnia crying
    2. oxana_iv
      oxana_iv 15 February 2016 11: 26
      +1
      Quote: venaya
      I think that his curators, as usual, reassured the unfortunate, and then they would still throw them out of habit as they threw all their proteges when they completed their tasks. The Moor did his work and went out.

      I agree with your opinion. Erdogan, of course, is not all right in his head, but still, before he did not look like a suicide. Most likely, before going around, he enlisted the support of "older comrades". And comrades are well-known scammers and craftsmen with someone else's hands to rake in the heat. Friendship with minke whales has not led anyone to any good!
    3. Roman 57 rus
      Roman 57 rus 15 February 2016 17: 36
      0
      I agree, it's just that the Russians are best at doing this.
  4. vitaz
    vitaz 15 February 2016 06: 09
    +4
    Uncle Sam is behind him for the very tomatoes
  5. Leprekon
    Leprekon 15 February 2016 06: 12
    +5
    Well, what about "until the establishment of full control of official Damascus over the border, there are only a few days left," the author was clearly in a hurry, the Syrian troops, also not "iron" and despite the general rise, are exhausted. Such forecasts can be made, only it is difficult to realize them. Everything else, in terms of "getting in the teeth", let's hope and keep our fists for ours.
  6. avva2012
    avva2012 15 February 2016 06: 13
    13
    There is also the opinion of a person who knows BV, firsthand.
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 15 February 2016 06: 15
    +1
    Yes, Erdogan has a good ear. He hears what he wants to hear from NATO and the United States.
  8. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 15 February 2016 06: 17
    +1
    Of course, Washington sleeps and sees a military conflict between Turkey and Russia .. Of course, if it comes to war, then we will have to recall about Ushakov, Potemkin, Nakhimov ..
    1. gergi
      gergi 15 February 2016 09: 42
      0
      If it comes to a direct military conflict, it will be necessary to smash the Turkets to complete defeat. With the subsequent rejection of the phosphorus and dardanelles in favor of Russia, the liberation of Cyprus. Then phasington will be guessed. Well, yes, the hiba is with him.
  9. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 15 February 2016 06: 18
    +1
    Mattress is waiting for the end of Erdogan’s hysteria. They seem to dissuade him, but somehow it’s not very good. After all, this hysteria will soon start throwing things out of the window, maybe even American ones. The hysterical friends are already there.
  10. PKK
    PKK 15 February 2016 06: 20
    +1
    All this is known from the newspapers. The most interesting and not described how NATO will behave, with the outbreak of the Turkish war with anyone it doesn’t matter with anyone. Why the Saudis can only fight from the lands of Iraq is not clear. And most importantly, I would like to know how The Turkish army will begin the invasion, where and by what forces.
    1. Delink
      Delink 15 February 2016 06: 27
      0
      From the northern part of Aleppo. Since it is the closest city to the border, and where ISIS is still sitting.
    2. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 15 February 2016 06: 29
      +1
      Quote: PKK
      All this is known from the newspapers. The most interesting and not described how NATO will behave, with the outbreak of the Turkish war with anyone it doesn’t matter with anyone. Why the Saudis can only fight from the lands of Iraq is not clear. And most importantly, I would like to know how The Turkish army will begin the invasion, where and by what forces.

      Are there too many questions on your part? As NATO behaves, it seems that NATO itself has not yet been determined. Well, about where, by whom and how the Turkish army will begin the invasion, the Turkish General Staff has not yet notified. If they call back, we’ll tell you fool bully
      1. 2С5
        2С5 15 February 2016 15: 29
        +1
        ... need to "check in the office" lol
    3. Blondy
      Blondy 15 February 2016 07: 55
      +1
      Quote: PKK
      All this is known from the newspapers. The most interesting and not described how NATO will behave, with the outbreak of the Turkish war with anyone it does not matter with whom.

      Most likely according to the charter: if an attacking country is attacked, then NATO must defend.
      But there is nothing said about the defense of NATO if the participating country attacks. So Turkey has some problems in this regard. Everyone will prefer to look at this matter from the side and warm their hands on hidden supplies.
  11. Telemon
    Telemon 15 February 2016 06: 20
    +4
    Hello! Erdogan is hysterical from the fact that he has to make a choice: either to shove a "drill" into Syria without the support of the US (NATO), or ... start collecting junk and be like Mishiko Georgian-Ruinsky. And here and there the anus is natural. Well, the Saudis are stubbornly waiting for "permission" from amers for actions in Syria.
    1. Delink
      Delink 15 February 2016 06: 29
      -7
      Why should they wait if they themselves lead the coalition. They themselves have the right to make a decision.
      1. Telemon
        Telemon 15 February 2016 06: 51
        +2
        Hto glances that ... request
      2. gergi
        gergi 15 February 2016 10: 54
        0
        Lattice has not yet grown.
  12. SAHALIN
    SAHALIN 15 February 2016 06: 22
    +1
    Elementary - power, and she’s afraid to lose her miserable life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's all the reasons for his hysteria !!!
  13. Foresterer
    Foresterer 15 February 2016 06: 22
    +3
    It is necessary in the Duma to raise this issue, recall the agreement between Syria and us, official words from the official rostrum with the addition of harsh words from many bring to life. But it is necessary to bring Erdogan into a feeling, it seems that his mind is now in a coma. He no longer spoils Syria and Russia, he spoils his Turkey and its allies, which soon will not remain.
  14. Turkir
    Turkir 15 February 2016 06: 27
    +3
    Shurygin is a good analyst. More often to print his article.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 February 2016 06: 34
      +4
      Quote: Turkir
      Shurygin is a good analyst.

      Yeah

      It is clear that in this case, of course, Turkey will have to deal with the impact of the Russian air forces. The strike group in Syria is quite capable of inflicting a very serious defeat on Turkey

      Two dozen of our bombers are capable of inflicting a very serious defeat on Turkey. Well, yes, of course. Although .... and a pair of SU 34 is enough to defeat 300 of the Turkish army.

      I would remind this analyst that not a single soldier with Turkey was easy for Russia.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 15 February 2016 06: 37
        +8
        And what kind of war would you call easy?
        Shurygin wrote directly and, I agree with him, if it were not for NATO membership, Turkey would hardly have swelled.
        Write your analysis on this topic, there will be something to compare.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 February 2016 06: 57
          +5
          Quote: Turkir
          And what kind of war would you call easy?

          I won’t name anything. Even a 5-day warrior with Georgia, it cost us a lot. In the case of Turkey, there’s nothing to talk about.
        2. atalef
          atalef 15 February 2016 07: 53
          -4
          Quote: Turkir
          Shurygin wrote directly and, I agree with him, if it were not for NATO membership, Turkey would hardly have swelled.

          Now I like all this if only if in the mouth of experts.
          Turkey is a member of NATO and we must proceed from this.
          If my grandmother ..., everyone knows the continuation.
          nothing to say, there will be no war between Russia and Turkey
          Syria will fall apart.
      2. Senior manager
        Senior manager 15 February 2016 07: 01
        0
        Romanov. The political situation is different, Turkey is still attacking Syria, and not a direct clash with Russia - the devil is in the details.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 February 2016 07: 13
          +2
          Quote: St. Propulsion
          Political alignment is different

          True? You probably recently won at NATO headquarters or in the Kremlin at a closed meeting of the Security Council.
          There are now hundreds of analysts, and each gives out its own alignment. The problem is that they are often mistaken.
      3. atalef
        atalef 15 February 2016 07: 02
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It is clear that in this case, of course, Turkey will have to deal with the impact of the Russian air forces. The strike group in Syria is quite capable of inflicting a very serious defeat on Turkey
        Two dozen of our bombers are capable of inflicting a very serious defeat on Turkey. Well, yes, of course. Although .... and a pair of SU 34 is enough to defeat 300 of the Turkish army.

        I am sure that there will be no clash between Russia and Turkey, but as a question to the analyst laughing
        In the event of an OTR strike (operational tactical missiles) at the base. When the first strike calmly sweeps off the s-400 and plows the runway, what can the VKS do next?
        1. Allech28-2
          Allech28-2 15 February 2016 07: 16
          0
          Quote: atalef
          In the event of an OTR strike (operational tactical missiles) at the base. When the first strike calmly sweeps off the s-400 and plows the runway, what can the VKS do next?

          Here is the answer:
          Quote: atalef

          I am sure that there will be no clash between Russia and Turkey, but as a question to the analyst
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 February 2016 07: 16
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          I’m sure that there will be no clash between Russia and Turkey,

          Sanya, how can Turkey, upon entering Syria, offend us? There, past the aviation, there are still a bunch of so-called advisers, whose voices we sometimes hear in videos like - Vanya Dolbani one more time.
        3. kitamo
          kitamo 15 February 2016 08: 12
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          In the event of an OTR strike (operational tactical missiles) at the base. When the first strike calmly sweeps off the S-400 and plows the runway, what can the VKS do next?


          and in the event of a retaliatory strike by the OTR of the Russian Federation on bases in Turkey, what will Turkey be able to do next?
          1. atalef
            atalef 15 February 2016 08: 26
            -2
            Quote: kitamo
            and in the event of a retaliatory strike by the OTR of the Russian Federation on bases in Turkey, what will Turkey be able to do next?

            Well, so with one blow and rolled Turkey.
            With its geographical position and membership in NATO. Russia without the use of nuclear weapons has no chance.
            To conquer or defeat Turkey will not succeed. therefore, it’s not worth a damn.
            And indeed, Russia in Syria has tactical objectives and political goals. but no one will start a world war for Syria, including Russia.
            I understand the confidence of some in the ability of the Russian Aerospace Forces to bend everyone and everyone on any edge of the Earth.
            only the situation is this. that no one gets into the war 9 if smart 0 then show how cool.
            war has goals. and the consequences - and suppose 9 hypothetically) Russia heaped up Turkey (I understand the talk about conquering, but the patient doesn’t have a head) - then the ceasefire decision came into force.
            Effects ? Well, who will analyze? - I mean economic and political.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 15 February 2016 09: 02
              +2
              Quote: atalef Effects ? Well, who will analyze? - I mean economic and political.

              Effects? Should Russia wash off? Economic and political?
              Almost everyone agrees that our economy, to put it mildly, is not brilliant. The authority of the power is held just in the Crimea and Syria. What will happen if (most likely) economic indicators deteriorate, and to this, also a failure in foreign policy?
              At Navalny, maybe not 0,0001% of the electorate will appear? 1991g., The government remembers, and the Maidan was already at hand.
              Nuclear weapons will not be untied. Turkey and the Saudis, have long been like a bone in the throat not only with us. Mne, it seems (or wants). hi
              1. atalef
                atalef 15 February 2016 09: 07
                -2
                Quote: avva2012
                Quote: atalef Effects ? Well, who will analyze? - I mean economic and political.

                Effects? Should Russia wash off? Economic and political?
                Almost everyone agrees that our economy, to put it mildly, "is not brilliant. The authority of the authorities is held, just in the Crimea and Syria. What will happen if (most likely) economic indicators deteriorate. And to this, there is also a failure in foreign policy?"
                At Navalny, maybe not 0,0001% of the electorate will appear? 1991g., The government remembers, and the Maidan was already at hand.
                Nuclear weapons will not be untied. Turkey and the Saudis, have long been like a bone in the throat not only with us. Mne, it seems (or wants). hi

                You didn’t understand me correctly, why I’ll wash myself, not at all - I’ve scratched out half of Turkey, of course, there’s no question of occupation — the ceasefire agreement has come into effect — what's next?
                By the way. How with the analysis?
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 15 February 2016 10: 51
                  +1
                  With the Kurds of the United States, no wonder dancing. Perhaps Kurdistan, for the United States will be more profitable. The straits of the USA also hope to pick up. Russia will leave Syria with bases. They will break up into parts of the Saudis and pick up BV oil for themselves.
                  1. 2С5
                    2С5 15 February 2016 15: 33
                    +1
                    ... and finally Zhirinovsky’s eagle! Calls to recognize the Russian side of Kurdistan and begin to help him with all his might as a union state ...
            2. CTEPX
              CTEPX 16 February 2016 18: 52
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Effects ? Well, who will analyze? - I mean economic and political.

              Oil will rise in price?))
        4. kotvov
          kotvov 15 February 2016 10: 57
          +2
          In the event of an OTR strike (operational tactical missiles) at the base. When the first strike calmly sweeps off the S-400 and plows the runway, what will the VKS be able to do next ?,
          joker, do you understand that this is a declaration of war? As they say, the revolvers themselves have.
        5. lex locis
          lex locis 15 February 2016 11: 59
          -1
          Quote: atalef
          When the first strike calmly sweeps off the S-400 and plows the runway, what can the VKS do next?


          Answer "Calibers" from all sides (from the Mediterranean, Black and Caspian Seas) on the runway, the Air Force, the Navy and simply the Turkish Armed Forces. And then see how everyone (Europe, NATO, the USA) rushes to organize a truce and persuade that Erdogan was misunderstood (like a rodent), that he was joking and that he apologizes ...
  15. Delink
    Delink 15 February 2016 06: 30
    0
    If emotions outweigh common sense, then Erdogan is the last thing that happened with Turkey.
  16. Neophyte
    Neophyte 15 February 2016 06: 36
    -2
    However, is Russia already in need of countermeasures against the Ottomans? For example, in the same Armenia, and indeed in the Caucasus, there are a huge number of Kurds. Turks think about it!
  17. tungus
    tungus 15 February 2016 06: 42
    15
    Retreat for Erdogan is a political death. And therefore, IMHO, he will go to the end. And there are two options.
    1. He will invade Syria, but will ignore our military base and VKS. Then he will have to act without air cover and generally without aviation. Only a ground operation to create some small buffer zone in northern Syria. This can be presented to the electorate as a victory.
    But in response, ours may well begin to bomb the Turkish troops (pretending that it was not us at all, but the Syrian Air Force bombing, well, or confused by chance with terrorists), and also begin to arm the Syrian Kurds, including anti-tank complexes, mortars, up to artillery. And this weapon will also begin to flow to the Turkish Kurds. Turkey will be very not good.

    2. Erdogan with the Saudis invades Syria and enters into a clash with our aircraft, and after the start of work, the C-400 strikes at our military base. This kneading has global consequences.
    Undoubtedly, ours will strike back at Turkish bases, airfields, headquarters and concentration of troops in response. Strategic aviation with cruise missiles and the Navy will also be involved. Well, they will roll out the contingent invading Syria into a pancake. But further depends on NATO.
    If it stands up for Turkey, then this is a nuclear war.
    If he does not officially enter the hostilities, but begins to supply military assistance to Turkey, then we will have to wage war with Turkey without nuclear weapons, but until complete Turkish surrender. Here, one will have to strike from the side of Armenia (it’s not in vain that the contingent of the Russian base was doubled) and carry out an operation to seize the straits, recognize Kurdistan and directly arm the Turkish Kurds, and make Iran fit into the mess, at least as a counterweight to the saudis. In short, it will not be a simple and quick war. We will defeat Turkey (although the West, as usual, with the threat of the destruction of the Turkish state, will begin to put pressure and insist on a peaceful settlement, as was the case in Russian-Turkish conflicts), but I can’t even foresee the political aspects of the outcome of this war. In any case, the Americans will benefit more from this war than we are. They will destroy one more key country in the region with our own hands, and we will be the only ones to blame and we will make an international outcast.
    Here is such a choice. In this war, we can receive serious material and political losses, although we can gain a lot. Turkey loses in any situation.
    We do not need this war, too much risk. Erdogan just has nowhere to go. He cannot retreat, and therefore he will shove to the stop.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 15 February 2016 07: 02
      +1
      If without the Air Force, then Turkey is completely Khan. For tanks, the terrain is not very suitable. In the rear Kurds cut communications. Difficult.
      NATO, if Turkey itself is attacked, and not get involved, there is no reason. Monthly erdogany.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 15 February 2016 07: 05
      +2
      Tungus! 06.42. I doubt that the United States will harness for Turkey. If Turkey fights with Iran and Russia, it will exhaust all sides and exhaust all resources. And all of them will have to turn to the USA for help. And they are not the first to profit from conflicts. The more destruction there is, the better for the USA. If suddenly Russia advances on Turkish territory, the United States will quickly open a second front and create its own zone of occupation. Therefore, the capture of Turkey does not shine for us. The maximum is the replacement of Erdogan with another Mudrogan.
    3. atalef
      atalef 15 February 2016 07: 06
      -6
      Quote: tungus
      Undoubtedly, our response will strike at Turkish bases, airfields, headquarters and concentration of troops

      What will it do? Gauges? Or will you have to use strategic forces?
      Quote: tungus
      y and roll out the contingent invading Syria in a pancake

      But this is definitely nothing
      Quote: tungus
      then we will have to wage war with Turkey without nuclear weapons

      Turkey blocking the Bosphorus will calmly choke anyone
      Quote: tungus
      and carry out an operation to capture the straits

      laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 February 2016 07: 08
        12
        Quote: atalef

        What will it do? Gauges? Or will you have to use strategic forces?

        Hi Sanya! If NATO does not come up for Turkey, then Khan Turkey!
        If NATO comes up for Turkey, then Khan to the whole world!
        1. atalef
          atalef 15 February 2016 07: 47
          -3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Sanya! If NATO does not come up for Turkey, then Khan Turkey!
          If NATO comes up for Turkey, then Khan to the whole world!

          Of course it will.
          No one will create a challenger. maybe it just leads to the collapse of NATO.
          1. RUSIVAN
            RUSIVAN 15 February 2016 09: 37
            0
            Of course, it’s not a fact that it will come up, because it’s not in vain that the USA is already warning Turkey to refrain from invading (just in case, so as not to intercede for Turkey) ...
            And as for the applicants, then no one wants to destroy the world, the only thing that is scary to lose is HONOR and VALUE, so we will stand to the end, and the West will not want to lose its life for the sake of money ... my personal opinion
            1. 34 region
              34 region 15 February 2016 11: 33
              +2
              Rus Ivan! 09.37. Do not tell about honor and valor. Her with the collapse of the Berlin Wall is gone. We were caught up with all the streams. And in Syria, we show our teeth because of the abrasion to the wall. Leaving Syria, we will be left without a market for energy carriers. All production will belong to a narrow circle of people. Persons will obey the Marquis of Karabas and he will not let us close to his chick which he grazes.
              1. Al1977
                Al1977 15 February 2016 17: 49
                0
                Quote: Region 34
                Leaving Syria, we will be left without a market for energy carriers. All production will belong to a narrow circle of people.

                And now Gazprom is the property of the people and dreams come true and all that? But how to get off the oil needle? Or should the whole country protect the capital of Sechin and Miler? To an ordinary person from this what? In Switzerland there is no oil and in Germany there is no oil and live normally.
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 15 February 2016 10: 56
            +1
            Do not shake. And it will not lead to collapse. Turkey is not Europe. Germany, certainly support. The Turkish diaspora will either quiet down or send its homeland to be restored.
          3. 34 region
            34 region 15 February 2016 11: 26
            +1
            Atalef! 07.47. Why should the US get stuck for Turkey? The United States sponsors terrorism but does not support it openly. So it will be here. They will itch but will not make movements themselves. It will be like in Ukraine. Words of friendship and support and sending as a gum help illiquid disposal.
          4. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 15 February 2016 15: 12
            0
            Quote: atalef

            Of course it will.

            Then, after 3000 years, archaeologists, digging out what remains of us, will argue and prove that people used bows and arrows 3000 years ago. Everything will return to normal.
      2. Allech28-2
        Allech28-2 15 February 2016 07: 13
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        What will it do? Gauges?

        Well, in truth, there’s already more and there’s nothing to cling to ...
        Quote: atalef

        Turkey blocking the Bosphorus will calmly choke anyone

        This will mean a declaration of war. Here you and hee hee ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 15 February 2016 07: 48
          -2
          Quote: Alleh28-2
          Quote: atalef
          What will it do? Gauges?

          Well, in truth, there’s already more and there’s nothing to cling to ...
          Quote: atalef

          Turkey blocking the Bosphorus will calmly choke anyone

          This will mean a declaration of war. Here you and hee hee ...

          of course. and hitting the base before blocking the straits is not a war?
          1. Allech28-2
            Allech28-2 15 February 2016 08: 07
            -1
            Quote: atalef
            of course. and hitting the base before blocking the straits is not a war?

            And there’s nothing for the Turks in the base, stupidly nothing. What they have can only temporarily disable the base (and with a lot of luck), and they understand this very well.
            1. atalef
              atalef 15 February 2016 08: 13
              0
              Quote: Alleh28-2
              Quote: atalef
              of course. and hitting the base before blocking the straits is not a war?

              And there’s nothing for the Turks in the base, stupidly nothing. What they have can only temporarily disable the base (and with a lot of luck), and they understand this very well.

              there is nothing?
              Turkey does not have MLRS? OTRK?
              Are you seriously ?
              1. Allech28-2
                Allech28-2 15 February 2016 08: 33
                10
                Quote: atalef
                there is nothing?
                Turkey does not have MLRS? OTRK?
                Are you seriously ?

                Didn’t you put on this nonsense yourself? Take the line and climb the map !! They will throw stones at them, and then they will iron them on strategic donkeys. Okay, we persuaded them.
              2. yushch
                yushch 15 February 2016 11: 15
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Alleh28-2
                Quote: atalef
                of course. and hitting the base before blocking the straits is not a war?

                And there’s nothing for the Turks in the base, stupidly nothing. What they have can only temporarily disable the base (and with a lot of luck), and they understand this very well.

                there is nothing?
                Turkey does not have MLRS? OTRK?
                Are you seriously ?


                And which Turkey OTRK can be more detailed?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 15 February 2016 11: 20
                  0
                  Quote: yushch
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: Alleh28-2
                  Quote: atalef
                  of course. and hitting the base before blocking the straits is not a war?

                  And there’s nothing for the Turks in the base, stupidly nothing. What they have can only temporarily disable the base (and with a lot of luck), and they understand this very well.

                  there is nothing?
                  Turkey does not have MLRS? OTRK?
                  Are you seriously ?


                  And which Turkey OTRK can be more detailed?

                  With a range of up to 300 km, as much as you like, it’s quite enough to get to the base
                  1. yushch
                    yushch 15 February 2016 11: 33
                    +3
                    What does the phrase "as much as you like" mean? You are talking about the Turkish OTRK, not me, so I asked for details. So I heard that Turkey practically does not have OTRK, what can you say to this? And by the way, in the event of a conflict with the Turks in Syria with us, no NATO will sign. When we try to capture the straits, that's another matter, but then the use of nuclear weapons is possible. Not enough will seem to anyone.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 15 February 2016 15: 14
                      0
                      Quote: yushch
                      So I heard that Turkey has practically no PTRC, what can you say?

                      Probably began to hear badly with age. Turkey has a lot of them, including Chinese analogues.
                      1. yushch
                        yushch 15 February 2016 19: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Quote: yushch
                        So I heard that Turkey has practically no PTRC, what can you say?

                        Probably began to hear badly with age. Turkey has a lot of them, including Chinese analogues.


                        And more specifically, it is possible, otherwise "there are many" I have not heard about such an OTRK system.
                      2. yushch
                        yushch 15 February 2016 19: 32
                        +2
                        Apparently you confuse the analogues of the Chinese MLRS with the OTRK, but this is the age, the older you get, the slower the thoughts scroll in your head.
                        PS I know perfectly well that you are advocating for some Israeli forum users, but believe me, your lawyer trolling is at a mediocre level, you could even say that your trolling is unhappy. .
                2. Allech28-2
                  Allech28-2 15 February 2016 19: 50
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  With a range of up to 300 km, as much as you like, it’s quite enough to get to the base

                  But this is already the patrimony of anti-aircraft gunners. And not just some ephemeral iron dome, but simple Russian systems, which should work out well for ballistic purposes.
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    5. tungus
      tungus 15 February 2016 13: 55
      +4
      Quote: atalef
      What will it do? Gauges? Or will you have to use strategic forces?

      The Air Force will strike with Kh-101 and Kh-555 missiles. The navy will strike with S-10 Granat missiles and yes, Caliber missiles. Does something confuse you?

      Quote: atalef
      But this is definitely nothing

      Why's that? Are you so sure that our Aerospace Forces in Syria will not be able to strike at the entering Turks? Are you sure that a couple of Iskanders and a couple of Smerchi divisions have not already been sent to Syria? Are you sure that in case of a mess, Russia will not be able to transfer a couple of airborne divisions to the theater of operations?
      Why such confidence?


      Quote: atalef
      Turkey blocking the Bosphorus will calmly choke anyone

      Well, about the straits. They began to plan and prepare the seizure of the Black Sea straits even during the reign of Alexander II, the father of Alexander III. Subsequently, the plans were adjusted, but the preparation continued. There was even created a "Special stock" of artillery pieces to arm the captured straits from the British ships.
      In the Soviet Union, this business was not abandoned, but continued to work on the capture operation, making adjustments to the realities of the current time.
      So ... There’s no need to invent anything there. Everything was invented and developed before us. With an exact indication of the necessary forces and means. Minute operation calculated. And with precision to the plane and rocket.
      By the way, our troops have recently demonstrated that they are capable of performing a similar capture operation at the highest professional level. Crimea to you as an example. So don’t have a haha.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 15 February 2016 06: 48
    +7
    In fact, the media has already said that the theater of the absurd has begun, I will add, hysterical insanity. Call us invaders, despite the fact that we are in Syria officially and by law. We interact with the regular army of Syria, with the Kurds and other self-defense units. And all this vizgotniya comes just from those to whom one place in the gate pinched, and supports the terrorists. And from overseas of Turkey, warnings are being made so that the shelling of the Kurds is stopped only for visibility. In fact, this chaos is needed by the Yankos as a spoon of jam, so they will sleep calmer.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 February 2016 06: 56
    10
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I would remind this analyst

    In vain you are so about Shurygin. He, as a military journalist, went through more than one war, and as a military expert, he deserves attention. He does not write that Russia in a couple of days gouges Turkey.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 February 2016 07: 09
      -1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      He does not write that Russia in a couple of days gouges Turkey.

      He writes that the VKS. Who are in Syria will inflict a serious defeat on Turkey. And what do we have in Syria ???
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 15 February 2016 07: 12
        +2
        As I understand it, he had in mind the Turkish Air Force and the possible delivery of primary strikes against ground forces.
      2. nemec55
        nemec55 15 February 2016 07: 38
        +2
        And what do we have in Syria ???

        Do you think that we need to have something there ??? I'm sure that we have enough money without leaving home to gouge anyone without even using nuclear weapons
  • Rom14
    Rom14 15 February 2016 06: 59
    +1
    I would like to pull the Chinese to this process ... China, in Russian, said to the whole world - there is NO our interest in Syria ...
  • cap
    cap 15 February 2016 07: 26
    0
    "But the actions of the Russian armed forces, the Syrian and Iranian armies are quite. Since in the event of Turkish aggression, the 1980 law on peace and friendship with Syria will come into effect, according to which the Soviet Union (and its legal successor in the person of the Russian Federation) is obliged to provide any military assistance in case of external aggression. It is clear that in this case Turkey is playing a game that can be very costly. Turkey's armed forces in the region are the most powerful. But, of course, they cannot be compared with the military power of Russia. Turkey certainly counts on to the aid of the countries of the NATO bloc, of which it is a member. But to what extent NATO will be ready to intervene and come to the aid of Turkey if Turkey actually invades the territory of a third country and unleashes a war is an open question. "
  • tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 15 February 2016 07: 48
    0
    Quote: VP
    Iran yesterday made a statement about the following topic: "Do not meddle in Syria, otherwise we will actively enter the conflict with large forces and serious means."

    Quote: atalef
    How and how can Iran enter the conflict? Between it and Syria, it seems like Iraq is located?


    Via Mosul, perhaps?
    http://www.irna.ir/ru/News/3037158/
    Iran warned that without it one cannot decide on Syria:
    https://www.ridus.ru/news/200526
    http://www.ridus.ru/news/199434

    Yes, and strange if it would be different. So wait, sir ...
    And we have had a lot of consultations with him lately!
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 February 2016 07: 51
      -2
      Quote: tehnokrat
      Via Mosul, perhaps?

      Is it Iraq or Iran?
      And further - further along the territory where ISIS is still sitting
      1. tehnokrat
        tehnokrat 15 February 2016 16: 36
        0
        About Mosul - I blurted out! When I read about the impending offensive on the Iranian IRNA portal, a thought flashed: did Iraq turn for help because of Baghdad’s extreme weakness? He was in a hurry to share news about Iran’s position in the Syrian swar, pulled links, and there was not enough time - he was in a hurry to work.
        And as for the march through the territories controlled by Daesh, they just need to be cleared, to drive the bandits to either the Saudis or the Turks.
        Regarding Iran’s entry into the game, would it be nice to hear from you what they say and write there?
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 15 February 2016 08: 01
    +2
    Do you want prophecies from Paisius Athos? Creepy prophecies, however.

    "You will learn all about the beginning of the war when Turkey attacks Russia in the skies over the Mediterranean. At first the Turks will think that they are winning, but that will end them. As a result, Constantinople will become Orthodox again. The Russians will return the city to the Greeks."
    "Before your eyes, the Middle East will become the arena of wars in which the Russians will take part. But Turkey will be defeated, Turkey will be destroyed by its allies. Turkey will be destroyed and erased from the map forever. The country will be divided into three or four parts: Greeks, Kurds and Armenians will take their land... Time is already counting back. "

    "Know that Turkey will also fall apart. In three or four parts. The lands taken from Greece will return to her, as the lands will return to both the Armenians and the Kurds."
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 15 February 2016 08: 20
      +3
      "You will all learn about the beginning of the war when Turkey attacks Russia in the skies over the Mediterranean.

      About three weeks ago I read it, but there were no first lines. Someone corrects words according to time laughing
      1. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer 15 February 2016 10: 55
        +1
        winked , but no, just someone writes the entire text, someone does not, but if he attacks the "Mediterranean Sea", then we'll see! smile But the interesting, from my point of view, is not this, the interesting one is highlighted in bold: - (Turkey will be destroyed by its ALLIES!)
    2. volgroo
      volgroo 15 February 2016 17: 07
      0
      Often I think about this prediction, also about the fact that the Mahatmas warned that they would break the 3rd World into minor conflicts.
      I also have an intuition that the Crimea with Syria is an attempt to warn and change predictions. This is possible in modern conditions. Also, all these events about the fact that at the moment there is a coordination of the actions of M ... and our advisers in the environment of GDP .. Rather, I want to think so.
      I hope that everything will end with an agreement between Russia and the United States over Syria and Turkey will put their own (NATO) in place. This can lead to the fulfillment of the prediction "Turkey will be destroyed by its allies."
  • Foresterer
    Foresterer 15 February 2016 08: 01
    +1
    Turkey wants to recruit whists, something has not been very good with its allies lately, it is the sixteenth word in negotiations, and Erdogan wanted everything, in large quantities and at once. He wants to speak from a position of strength, so he hopes for blackmail, as in the case of Merkel, but in this case he wants to show his allied neighbors that "he is a tough dude" and everything is after me. Let's see this week who will ride after this headless horseman. What is more dear to whom, head on shoulders, or friendship with a psycho. The word, and most importantly, belongs to the Syrian army and our Aerospace Forces. Iran will probably make more than one statement on this matter, well, and how can it be without Ukraine. These will always come to the aid of any rabble, if they are against Russia. In general, the week is expected to be stormy, Erdogan will bog down deeper and it seems that he himself is being substituted by some forces in Turkey, who are mortally tired of him and who are not averse to running the country themselves. The country is not poor, it has weight, do not fight and everything is fine. Erdogan does not understand that the piece that he intends to bite off has long been chosen by others, he will get the leftovers, not the dish. If he himself does not become food. There are many who wish.
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 15 February 2016 08: 03
    +1
    Eh, I didn’t read the perdogan fairy tale "About the fisherman and the fish", otherwise I would have known how irrepressible greed usually ends.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 15 February 2016 08: 04
    +1
    I’m hysterical because he’s a complete zero! And he understands that besides defeat, everywhere he has no future and his plans.
  • Sars
    Sars 15 February 2016 08: 58
    +3
    Obama called Putin yesterday for a reason. I believe that in the face of the "big nix" they talked about certain boundaries of the conflict.
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 15 February 2016 09: 14
    0
    Russia has stepped on the causal place of Turkey’s concession
    Northern Cyprus is likely to lose the Turks.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 15 February 2016 09: 28
    0
    So, if something happens, Erdogan and Co. really "won't get off with tomatoes alone."
    Or maybe it's time for Erdogan to just tear them fucking?
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 February 2016 10: 54
    +4
    “But the Saudis and their allies can use their forces in Syria only from the territory of Iraq“ under the umbrella ”of the United States.
    To transfer them to Turkey and operate from there is an almost impossible task for them. "/////

    Why is it impossible? Transport workers they have.
    And why only from the territory of Iraq? There is a short way through Jordan, which supports some
    opposition groups.

    Syrian Kurds are straining Turkey to support the partisan actions of the Kurdish Workers Party
    on the territory of Turkey. And the Syrian Turkomans may well ask for help against "foreign oppressors".
    Turkey has many reasons for attacking Syria. The army is huge. Communications are comfortable, short.

    The only deterrent is a military conflict with Russia.
  • iouris
    iouris 15 February 2016 12: 54
    0
    The "civilized" thinker is sure that money always wins, so Turkey and Saudi Arabia will definitely win.
    My question is: why did KSA get stuck in Yemen?
    Another argument: Turkey has the largest army in NATO, so it will win.
    My question is: why did they invite Saudi Arabia, which got bogged down in Yemen?
    Third argument: Turkey is a member of NATO and an ally of the United States, NATO will intervene on the side of Turkey.
    My question is: why didn’t NATO and the USA defeat ISIS, didn’t send troops into Syria, but fight through Turkey and KSA?
    There is only one logical answer: the West wants to push regimes in Turkey and KSA with the hands of Syrians and Russians.
  • Bayun
    Bayun 15 February 2016 14: 27
    0
    Quote: atalef
    There will be no war, no one is interested in this, including Russia.

    The war is ALREADY on. And Russia is already at war. These are facts. The only question is, will a local war develop into a world one? Here I agree - I would not want to. Although, the future "axes" are looming: Moscow-Damascus-Tehran against Kiev-Berlin-Ankara-Riyadh.

    And that, characteristically, Washington and London in this case will sing a duet to Duremar: "And I have nothing to do with it. I have nothing to do with it!" (C) And then, according to the old tradition, they will also "help" US; (

    PS: Admins, what about the "flags"? I didn’t have to visit anyone, today it’s already brought to Iceland;)
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 15 February 2016 15: 06
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    I don’t understand how Erdogan can be so inadequate!
    He must be sent to the doctor! To the doctor - and as soon as possible! Or to jail! And also as soon as possible! Otherwise, the world will be filled with blood from its religious-medieval madness!

    I suggest starting the detour with a psychiatrist.
  • zenith
    zenith 15 February 2016 15: 59
    0
    Quote: INVESTOR
    Quote: VP
    This hto in the photo, Erdogan or something in makeup?

    And on the topic ... Iran yesterday made a statement about the following topic: "Do not meddle in Syria, otherwise we will actively enter the conflict with large forces and serious means."



    I would like to pull the Chinese to this process, but if we can cope with our own forces with Iran, then let them not be offended, they do not claim to be on the market.

    Whom? Chinese pull up? They smile sweetly and nothing more! Never trusted them not at the outpost, not now.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 15 February 2016 18: 36
    0
    They don’t say anything about mobilization?
    1. Bayun
      Bayun 15 February 2016 18: 59
      +1
      Be naughty. Whoever says "mobilization" first will be called "aggressor" with all that it implies;)
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 15 February 2016 19: 47
    +1
    Quote: Bayun
    Be naughty. Whoever says "mobilization" first will be called "aggressor" with all that it implies;)

    In fact, after the war it will not matter. I really thought you would move on to active actions when Putin announced a check of troops in the south. But apparently not this time.
  • TOR2
    TOR2 15 February 2016 20: 42
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    In the event of an OTR strike (operational tactical missiles) at the base. When the first strike calmly sweeps off the s-400 and plows the runway, what can the VKS do next?

    Good question. No one doubts 25-30 KR of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will find? This is quite enough to put the energy of Turkey in the pose of a broken birch. What charms do they expect to be painted? Erdogash will then be shot in his own office. What will happen if they are not shot?
    Meanwhile, the Black Sea Fleet is ready, if necessary, to mine the straits. (With modern technologies, ships do not need to approach them) Iran, in this situation, will get into a fight for sure. We will need to place several S-300 (400) complexes on the Iran-Iraq border and close the sky over northern Iraq. The Syrian army has combat experience + Iranian army + air support. In this situation, Turkey, as a NATO member, has a chance to get a member, which will come back to haunt the entire bloc. And in case of an aircraft carrier being fitted, perhaps containers of the "CLUB-Tranzit" company have already appeared in exotic places.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 15 February 2016 22: 52
    -1
    Quote: silver_roman
    Omit the controversy at the expense of the correctness or incorrectness of this. in general, time will tell, but we have something to fear.
    and in the loyalty you must try by all means to move away from the war, because this is exactly what the Americans want.

    Minus set for the fact that you do not take into account the control of airspace not only over Syria, but also Turkey and Israel. Why then keep the AWACS aircraft, and satellite reconnaissance is also on the alert. And the incident with the downing of our SU-24 is indicative only of what are the real goals of Turkey in Syria, and therefore our military should not have been substituted at all in the hope of Perdogan’s decency! hi
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 16 February 2016 11: 23
      0
      I put you the opposite minus for the fact that you do not take into account the frequency of flights LA DRLO. How long have you heard or even watched there il-20 or a-50? I’m not saying that they are not there, I’m just stating that there is no review every second there and it’s easy to miss. At the expense of satellites, I generally keep quiet.
      I also noted the factor of shelling with mortars or artillery, which in principle will not fix radar.
      But even if all this is not taken into account, the fact remains: "all eggs are in one basket" and the calculation that they will not dare.
      In terms of military strategy, our base is under great threat.
      And let's take a sober view: we are in the minority there, but on the side of the Turks all intelligence data syshya, igil and the devil knows what. And if we take into account the likelihood of a coalition on the part of the Saudis, it is not at all rosy. Now the British have begun to talk about land. I personally see it this way: they enter the territory of ISIS, give us the coordinates of their deployment, actively simulate violent "anti-terrorist" activities, and thereby cover the ISIS groups or their headquarters. although everything may be much simpler: they will be locked up with the whole crowd, and there are a lot of people who want to: Qatar, Saudi, Turkey.

      it’s just that sometimes you need to look soberly at things so that then there are no childhood surprises as with a downed Su-24. for many, it was a cold shower. no one expected that they would dare, and now, when I write that everything is not very good in Latakia, they put down the minuses. stupid ....
  • former
    former 15 February 2016 23: 10
    +1
    A little digression into history .. By the first world war, Serbia possessed the most experienced army, but at the same time lost a lot of military equipment in the previous war and did not have time to restore it. Well, then: Russia in its place,
    Syria instead of Serbia and Turkey instead of Austria-Hungary. I remind you that in the 1914th AB received from Russia (almost defeat)
    and from Serbia (a very sensitive defeat). Moreover, Russia was not at all ready for the war, and even fought with Germany, and AB was fifty times abruptly Turkey. Do not remind me where it is located now Austria Hungary And who is it rules, or else I choosed it, sclerosis however ...
  • YLTHEN
    YLTHEN 16 February 2016 08: 14
    0
    Quote: VP
    This hto in the photo, Erdogan or something in makeup?

    And on the topic ... Iran yesterday made a statement about the following topic: "Do not meddle in Syria, otherwise we will actively enter the conflict with large forces and serious means."

    The photo shows the military observer of the newspaper "Zavtra" Vladislav Shurygin. As for the second, I will add: Today a delegation from Iran arrived in Moscow with the intention to buy weapons worth $ 8 billion ... soldier
  • Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 16 February 2016 08: 43
    0
    here are the goodies. it's time to end the turkish pigsties
  • VB
    VB 16 February 2016 11: 21
    0
    We must quite soberly see that Turkey will definitely rush to Syria, the "sultan" simply has nowhere to go. And in this case, Russia is obliged to answer prohibitively tough, turning the army and navy of the Turks completely into scrap metal. Only then, the whole world will stop anti-Russian hysteria and preparations for war. Bandera will not rush to Donbass and Transnistria, thousands of Russian lives will be saved.
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  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 16 February 2016 15: 16
    +1
    A year ago, "The women shouted Hurray and threw their caps into the air!" Turkey is our strategic partner. Erdogan is a progressive Turk who sends his granddaughter and Europe to the "categorical imperative" of Black and helps us in our harsh realities of semi-isolation. Time has passed and the same people in the comments announced Erdogagan - "Small p ... m" "Regional Hitler", etc. Along the way, the bear, who invested 22 yards of dollars in a pipe to the black sea, did not stick to anyone, and if they are, then we are not giants of thought either. Let's see what we will discuss in a year.
    1. Kendji
      Kendji 16 February 2016 15: 51
      0
      And who says that the Turks are any special? People change their minds depending on the dollar or euro. The pipe WILL EARN, or with those who NOW with us, or THEN will cooperate and develop relations.
  • Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 16 February 2016 16: 37
    -1
    Old sly Erdogan,
    Swallowed a glass of urine
    Squirting bile, vomiting,
    Well, he thinks - he sings *)
  • vik.nik.2016
    vik.nik.2016 16 February 2016 21: 27
    0
    Turks, Saudis ... It seems that the Americans are consistently leading everyone to a large local war. It was not without reason that the heads of Christian churches spoke of preventing the war.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 17 February 2016 07: 36
    0
    Usually, those who understand their helplessness do this; all that remains is to spoil the air.
  • Aristide
    Aristide 17 February 2016 13: 27
    0
    A person with such nervous political decisions as Erdogan should completely give up politics, so as not to expose his state to a senseless war. South Stream with gas has already broken off, Russia does not send tourists, Russian-Turkish construction contracts and others have sunk into oblivion, Russia is successfully clearing Syria of Turkish bandits, and even abandoned Turkish tomatoes and other greens. Turk Erdogan is furious! Is he really thinking of improving his political "authority" by his "supposed" war with Russia? It's just ridiculous and naive. Probably sick with Parkinson ?!
  • kirpich
    kirpich 17 February 2016 14: 36
    0
    People, maybe I missed something, but HOW gas will go to Europe? After all, this is our money. How will the transit go?
    At first, Ukraine announced that it would not let gas into Europe until it was provided with "goodies." Broke off.
    After that, Bulgaria decided to spread its fingers in a fan. Sitting does not blather. And then Erdogan appears !!! THAT DAMS !!!!! And, after all, they wanted to lay gas to Europe through Turkey, Past Bulgaria.
    Don't you think this is strange geopolitics?
  • South Ural
    South Ural 18 February 2016 12: 21
    0
    I would very much like the measures described in the article to work ...