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The representative of Kiev proposed to amend the format of the Minsk talks

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Kiev should make changes to its position on key foreign policy issues, including at the negotiations in Minsk, expanding the number of their participants and eliminating domestic policy issues from the agenda, reports RIA News Statement by the representative of the Kiev authorities in the contact group for Donbass Vladimir Gorbulin.


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“Ukraine’s fulfillment of its obligations under the Minsk agreements should not hinder the search for ways to improve the negotiation process regarding the Donbass and Crimea. The Minsk negotiation process, however, like the entire Ukrainian diplomatic activity of the last two years, was carried out under the pressing pressure of objective circumstances born of war and crisis ... Today, Ukraine is slowly recovering ... which implies a necessary and completely fair change of positions on many key external issues politicians ", - writes Gorbulin in an article for the publication ZN.UA.

According to him, “putting on the agenda of negotiations in Minsk issues of the internal policy of Ukraine greatly hinders the process”. “For more efficiency, it is also necessary to expand the number of participants in the negotiations, to make the negotiation process in Minsk more open and democratic,” he adds.

There are 3 basic scenarios for transforming the format of the negotiations, Gorbulin believes.

The first scenario is a “compromise”: “Kiev remains in the framework of the negotiation process, trying to change it, but continuing to adhere to previously reached agreements.”

Under the “multilateral” scenario, the Ukrainian side “is gradually emerging from the negotiation process, focusing on the exchange of prisoners and hostages, the provision of humanitarian and economic assistance, and the maintenance of silence.”

According to the third “nationalist” scenario, “Kiev must withdraw from the negotiations, ceasing its work in all subgroups and withdraw its entire delegation for consultations.”

The agency reminds that earlier the Russian ambassador to Minsk, Alexander Surikov, stated that “the creation of new negotiation formats may call into question the Minsk agreements”.

Ukrainian representative Leonid Kuchma also spoke out against format changes that could lead to negative consequences. According to him, everything can simply fall apart.
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  1. Koshak
    Koshak 14 February 2016 10: 31 New
    16
    No matter how the neighbors outsmart themselves ... tongue
    1. PEDRO
      PEDRO 14 February 2016 10: 34 New
      20
      We will finish with Syria, and then we will deal with the "brothers" in full! Is that so ..? (We will beat behind closed doors and quietly, only oohs and sighs will be heard ..))))
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 14 February 2016 10: 39 New
        20
        it is necessary to expand the number of participants
        That is, so there was a bazaar, and now also arrange a train station! Catch up with homeless people (there are all sorts of bolts, etc.), so that even the cops could not cope (Russia, Germany, France)! laughing
        To deceive and confuse! - Purely in Ukrainian!
        What would no one understand nichrome at all!
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 14 February 2016 12: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Baikonur
          To deceive and confuse! - Purely in Ukrainian!
          What would no one understand nichrome at all!

          They already confused themselves to the point of impossibility: they began to bite their back seat!
          1. avg
            avg 14 February 2016 12: 31 New
            +2
            “Putting on the agenda of negotiations in Minsk issues of domestic policy of Ukraine greatly inhibits the process.”

            And the civil war in the Donbass is the issue of the irresponsible domestic policy of the junta, which crawled out to the international level. And the more the housekeepers cheat, the less patience remains with their sponsors, who have enough of their urgent business. fool
        2. Sid.74
          Sid.74 14 February 2016 12: 31 New
          +2
          Well, what did they propose? In any case, not to fulfill the agreements taken on themselves. negative
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 14 February 2016 18: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Sid.74
            In any case, do not fulfill the agreements undertaken.


            Esstess. The essence of the proposal is to exclude the "internal Ukrainian component" from the treaty. This means - to abandon "Minsk-2" and to blah blah blah about the Russian aggression against the whole world and at this time peck Novorossia with impunity. And this is suggested by one of the "minds" of the former independent Vladimir Gorbulin. fool
        3. vic58
          vic58 14 February 2016 15: 32 New
          +3
          That no-e! Invite "brothers in mind" from ISIS, well, as peacekeepers !!!! am
          1. Strezhevchanin
            Strezhevchanin 14 February 2016 20: 35 New
            0
            Quote: vic58
            That no-e! Invite "brothers in mind" from ISIS, well, as peacekeepers !!!! am

            Ukrokhalifat ??? Kadyrych will surely lose his dream, and it’s just to sign his own euthanasia.
          2. KVS
            KVS 14 February 2016 20: 39 New
            0
            better from democratic geyropa, for clearing the back mind
        4. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 14 February 2016 16: 41 New
          +1
          Let the Aboriginal people of Antarctica be invited there, the result will be one, they outwitted themselves.
          Quote: Baikonur
          it is necessary to expand the number of participants
          That is, so there was a bazaar, and now also arrange a train station! Catch up with homeless people (there are all sorts of bolts, etc.), so that even the cops could not cope (Russia, Germany, France)! laughing
          To deceive and confuse! - Purely in Ukrainian!
          What would no one understand nichrome at all!
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 14 February 2016 11: 23 New
        +2
        I'm afraid it won’t work out.
        If an irreversible turning point occurs in Syria, Ukria will not wait for the release of our aerospace forces, but will hit the Donbass. Have to upset them with limited forces.
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 14 February 2016 23: 32 New
          0
          What are you saying! Nobody even knew that Russia has only 140 - 200 combat aircraft! For some reason, I think that the Russian aerospace forces can easily provide not only without a flight zone over the entire ruin, while not reducing the level of protection of the sky of the motherland.
      3. Delink
        Delink 14 February 2016 11: 34 New
        +1
        It would not have been torn on two fronts!
      4. PKK
        PKK 14 February 2016 11: 47 New
        +1
        Hollande can’t live without a girl, just like Merkel. If the young German accompanied the old Frau, there would be a lot of talk. And with Hollande water is like a goose.
      5. The comment was deleted.
    2. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 14 February 2016 10: 36 New
      10
      They can’t forget about everything like Crimea! Hey banderlogs, Crimea was told by gut-bye, Donnbas did the same in fact! So just do what you are told, then pull it up and stop talking to you!
    3. Proxima
      Proxima 14 February 2016 10: 37 New
      +6
      Quote: Koshak
      No matter how the neighbors outsmart themselves ... tongue

      Naturally outwit. Kiev will not fulfill the Minsk agreements, both in the old format and in the new one. I wonder what else they’ll come up with? In my opinion, their already scarce fantasy has already ended.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 14 February 2016 10: 40 New
        +7
        There are 3 basic scenarios for transforming the format of the negotiations, Gorbulin believes.

        The scriptwriter seems to be tripled in his eyes. There is only one scenario: Ukraine’s unconditional fulfillment of Minsk obligations and that’s the point!
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 14 February 2016 10: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          unconditional fulfillment by Ukraine of Minsk obligations and the point!

          Quote: Representative of Kiev
          excluding domestic policy issues from the agenda!

          And this in general is the height of cunning!
          Those. in general then - "What tryndet?"
          Come to Minsk, sit, drink drinks (to each his own), shut up! And leave, fly away (someone crawl away) home ?!
          fool
        2. NIKNN
          NIKNN 14 February 2016 11: 18 New
          +6
          The scriptwriter seems to be tripled in his eyes. There is only one scenario: Ukraine’s unconditional fulfillment of Minsk obligations and that’s the point!

      2. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 14 February 2016 12: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Proxima
        In my opinion, their already scarce fantasy has already ended.


        Offend Svidomo. But Gorbulin then fantasizes.
        There are 3 main scenarios for transforming the negotiation format:

        The first scenario is a “compromise”: “Kiev remains in the framework of the negotiation process, trying to change it, but continuing to adhere to previously reached agreements.”

        Under the “multilateral” scenario, the Ukrainian side “is gradually emerging from the negotiation process, focusing on the exchange of prisoners and hostages, the provision of humanitarian and economic assistance, and the maintenance of silence.”

        According to the third “nationalist” scenario, “Kiev must withdraw from the negotiations, ceasing its work in all subgroups and withdraw its entire delegation for consultations.”

        The first scenario: they do a favor “Kiev remains within the framework of the negotiation process,
        The second scenario: Kiev is gradually leaving the negotiation process,
        The third scenario: blackmail: withdraw your delegation in full force. ”

        And you say "the fantasy is over."
    4. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 14 February 2016 10: 39 New
      14
      You, as you want, but me from just mentioning Ukraine is already sick ...
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 14 February 2016 10: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Misha Honest
        You, as you want, but me from just mentioning Ukraine is already sick ...


        Wow, too many words ..
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 14 February 2016 10: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          Wow, too many words ..

          No - too much nonsense from Ukrov, over the past 15 years ...
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 14 February 2016 10: 55 New
        17
        Quote: Misha Honest
        You, as you want, but me from just mentioning Ukraine is already sick ...

        And not only you)))
        Europe already has a nervous teak with hiccups, scabies on mattresses. When they got into this swamp, they thought they would hit the jackpot! Now they are fucking dead and thinking, how did Russia endure for centuries and fed these parasites?
        They now have a thought on how to shove this "Happiness" from their budget
    5. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 February 2016 10: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: Koshak
      No matter how the neighbors outsmart themselves.


      You probably wanted to say - the owners of the neighbors?
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 14 February 2016 16: 56 New
        0
        No, you can still understand the owners somehow. And the neighbors, it seems, already do not know. that it’s going to brand it in a couple of minutes. fool
    6. from punk
      from punk 14 February 2016 10: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Koshak
      No matter how the neighbors outsmart themselves ...

      Valtsman as a capricious child. And the whole policy of Ukraine resembles a kindergarten
      "On February 13, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, during the presidential panel at the Munich Security Conference, spoke out against the idea of ​​a dialogue with Russia.

      “Now I really do not like the idea that some leaders are beginning to talk about the urgent need for a dialogue with Russia, to forget about everything that is happening in the world. I want to remind all of you that in 2008, after the so-called civil war in Georgia, against the actual Russian aggression, in 2010 there were many voices “let's do a dialogue with Russia, forget about Georgia, forget about Moldova and Transnistria, forget about the Russian occupation , let's stop the aggression, "Poroshenko said."
    7. Finches
      Finches 14 February 2016 10: 49 New
      10
      I’m not decreeing the Supreme, but once again I will express the point of view that, in my opinion, it was necessary in 2014 to officially send in our troops under the pretext of protecting the Russian population in Donbass! Now we would have had other conversations ... And if we had reached Kiev, there would have been neither Odessa nor the DPR with the LPR - and only in the Galitchina, which became part of Poland, the surviving Bandera, rubbing the toilets of the pan, would be remembered for repose Poroshenko, Turchinov, Yatsenyuk ... hanged by swears by mos ... by the verdict of the Rostov tribunal and would longingly recall the rollicking days of the Maidan ... laughing

      But to be serious - Kiev will repeatedly come up with various tricks in order to delay the implementation of the Minsk agreements in any way! While Washington is roofing, there’s no need to talk about any Minsk!
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 14 February 2016 10: 31 New
    +8
    Leonid Kuchma also spoke out against format changes that could lead to negative consequences. According to him, everything cansimply fall apart.

    Well, Danilych, you are direct "captain of the obvious"! And what else is the Ukrainian side seeking, no matter how the collapse of the Minsk agreements?
  3. Egoza
    Egoza 14 February 2016 10: 33 New
    +4
    Some are eager for the US representative to be included in the negotiation group. Otherwise, they don’t know what can be done. what you can agree to, what not. Well, you have to think with your own head, and so long as you get through to the authorities ...
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 14 February 2016 10: 42 New
      +4
      It’s time for someone to understand that the United States is interested in everything that could harm Russia, but, being on the other side of the ocean (in the Western Hemisphere) will not be able to oppose its conditions for Russia. It is enough that Russia takes part in negotiations between European entities, at which the fate of a European country, its future and integrity is decided ...

      Could they have imagined in Kiev that the Americans loved them for their embroidered shirts and would sponsor them for the rest of their lives? Europe simply wants to get rid of the hemorrhoids obtained with the easy supply of the USA for the jumps and screams of the Nazis (which are much smaller than it seems) ...
    2. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 14 February 2016 10: 46 New
      +6
      In, in, right to the point. Until you get through, and there the connection is bad, misunderstood, translation difficulties, I forgot with a hangover. And then sit quietly at the meeting with a dummy and nod when they blink or pout their lips angrily while the top "leadership" for you miserable broadcast. Why did Pedro put his little hands behind his back? probably training
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 14 February 2016 10: 47 New
      +3
      This someone seems to have put forward a similar idea, because now it can take up to a year to complete one agreement, and then even wind up the Minsk agreements under the topic of not agreeing in a new format.
      But in this case, Pedro does not save time dragging on, reforms do not work, and Western sponsors are tired of proving that black is white!
  4. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 14 February 2016 10: 37 New
    21
    regarding Donbass and Crimea.
    Old songs about the main thing! It's time to remember the road! laughing
  5. izya top
    izya top 14 February 2016 10: 44 New
    21
    Today, Ukraine is slowly recovering
    but in my opinion, it’s lying in a coma. and is not subject to treatment, only eftanasia
  6. kapitan92
    kapitan92 14 February 2016 10: 46 New
    +8
    The empty chatter of the Khokhlomans, you cannot believe. Time is dragging on. The next mobilization is next in line, muddy roads, a tranche was promised in the spring, in a word "reload"!
  7. newcomer
    newcomer 14 February 2016 10: 51 New
    +6
    Ukraine in fact fell into the feudal system. soon will generally be divided into small principalities. and there all the neighbors will already stand with nets like fishermen and catch small pieces. It’s a pity, of course, that we won’t be able to take it entirely. all the same how many lives were put for it in centuries, how much money was invested in development under the USSR. sorry of course the capital city of Kiev. but when the southeast comes to us, over time the center will be pulled up. I think we lost the west. Rusyns sorry. they will crush them there. in the present, all that is being done in Ukraine is the robbery of remnants. everyone understands both the upper and lower classes that the end is near and are trying to steal more. this is domestic policy.
    1. PKK
      PKK 14 February 2016 12: 18 New
      +2
      Don't be upset. NEWBY. In parts it will be even easier to attach. But a whole piece may not be useful.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 14 February 2016 23: 37 New
        +1
        Only do not join the Galitchina! Already taken once ... on your head!
  8. Scud
    Scud 14 February 2016 10: 55 New
    +2
    Gorbulin, an adviser to the murderer Turchinov, a member of the Security Council of dill, a member of the (former) CPSU, and he is also a Russophobe in one bottle.
  9. BOB044
    BOB044 14 February 2016 10: 56 New
    0
    Here are cleverly made.
  10. shinobi
    shinobi 14 February 2016 10: 57 New
    +1
    Shaw!? Again ?!
    The Yankees gave the go-ahead. They’ll crawl to the Donbas. Distract from Syria. It will not crawl through, time has passed.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 February 2016 10: 58 New
    +9
    Yet a large country is dill. There will be enough reserves for a long time. A sense of disaster is a rapid impoverishment and deterioration over the course of days. And when it stretches for years, there is no such sensation. A person gets used to, adapts, slowly, slowly, switches to a different rhythm of life, a different diet, recalls rural cousins, garden plots and summer cottages, gardens and fishing with dried fish for the winter ... A real disaster is when the cities turn off the lights both heat and high-rise buildings become frozen crypts. Apocalypse. This year, territory 404 escaped him. It does not mean that they slipped away. Just delayed.
    And negotiations - I have not believed in them for a long time. The main thing is that Vaska (LDNR) listens and eats. Improves life, trade, production. The army is learning and getting stronger. The hryvnia stopped walking. Management structures are developing and gaining experience. Again, unlike Transnistria, it has a common border with Russia. We can safely say "Square" that everything, the train (Donbass) has left, you can only wave a handkerchief in the trail.
  12. OlegV
    OlegV 14 February 2016 11: 01 New
    +7
    Quote: kapitan92
    Empty chatter ......, you can not believe. Time is pulling .....

    and in the meantime ..... ukrainian young fun, stop the truck)))
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 14 February 2016 18: 01 New
      +2
      And here is the otvetochka, not long in coming. Well, what a pan, play like that.
      Russia has banned the passage of trucks registered in Ukraine, according to the Ministry of Transport.

      As noted, Moscow took such measures due to the fact that the Kiev authorities did not take any measures against activists who block Russian trucks on the Ukrainian border.

      It is emphasized that the ban will remain in effect “until the Ukrainian side settles the situation with the unlawful blocking of Russian freight vehicles in Ukraine.”

      According to the Ministry of Transport, as of February 14, more than 100 Russian trucks were blocked in Ukraine, more than 500 can not enter Ukraine from the EU countries. Allegedly, on February 11-12, 1038 Ukrainian trucks were allowed to travel in Russia.
  13. oxana_iv
    oxana_iv 14 February 2016 11: 28 New
    +8
    "... the Ukrainian side" is gradually withdrawing from the negotiation process ...
    ... Kiev must withdraw from the negotiations, stopping its work in all subgroups ... "


    The idea is fresh and inspiring. Only one thing is not clear to me: if Ukraine "merges" from the Minsk process, what will the demands of the world community to Russia for the implementation of the Minsk agreements look like? Or will we have to work for two? Send the full complement of the State Duma deputies to sit in the Rada, ensure a ceasefire and the withdrawal of troops from the Ukrainian side with the forces of our military?
    In principle, I would probably handle wink
  14. VeteranVS
    VeteranVS 14 February 2016 11: 30 New
    +1
    What kind of war is the comrade raving about?
  15. lopvlad
    lopvlad 14 February 2016 11: 35 New
    +4
    For greater efficiency, it is also necessary to expand the number of negotiators

    for efficiency, you need to start doing what you put your signature on.
    Ukraine has not grown to the state if it still thinks that by increasing the number of participants in the negotiation process, the signed obligations can not be fulfilled.
  16. rus-5819
    rus-5819 14 February 2016 11: 47 New
    +2
    “For greater efficiency, it is also necessary to expand the number of participants in the negotiations, to make the negotiation process in Minsk more open and democratic”

    "Three Ukrainians are already a fair", so there will be more screaming and less sense, they will blabber everything up completely, just to pull time and do nothing (mentality, you know).
  17. valent45
    valent45 14 February 2016 11: 49 New
    +2
    Nobody will give anything to increase now. The process is going on. Will reach until
    West contains hohland. But, apparently, soon they will be tired of containing beggars and
    dumbheads.
  18. iouris
    iouris 14 February 2016 11: 50 New
    +2
    The talks are underway to make it harder today to violate the ceasefire. The outcome of a war is not decided through negotiations. Kiev signed an agreement because there was a "kotlanet".
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 February 2016 11: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Misha Honest
    too much nonsense from ukrov,

    Delirium was, is and will be as long as Poroshenko walks accompanied by Merkel and Hollande, supporting him by the arms and listening to mentors from the United States. But even if we imagine that the government in Kiev has changed, then what to do with the millions already drugged with the idea of ​​"great Ukrainians" and brought up on hatred of Russians?
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 14 February 2016 13: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      what to do with the millions already drugged with the idea of ​​"great ukrah" and brought up on hatred of Russians?


      The spirit of the "great ukrov" will have to be eroded from their intoxicated brains for a long time.
  20. drags33
    drags33 14 February 2016 12: 07 New
    +1
    With such thoughts ("Ukraine should gradually withdraw from the negotiation process") b / Ukraine should cease to be called a state. It’s not matured and, obviously, will not grow to a full-fledged country that is responsible for its words and fulfills its signed arrangements. Well, b / Ukraine as a country did not take place. It happens ... It didn’t work out of presidEnt ...
  21. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 14 February 2016 12: 18 New
    +2
    And what is Ukraine? Is this where dreamers live? No, this is where the deceived live.
  22. rus-5819
    rus-5819 14 February 2016 12: 38 New
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60

    But even if we imagine that the government in Kiev has changed, then what to do with the millions already drugged with the idea of ​​"great Ukrainians" and brought up on hatred of Russians?

    There is no doubt that they will smile and wave the scraps of embroideries after the passing troops. And all because KITCHEN follows the advanced units !!!
  23. major147
    major147 14 February 2016 14: 12 New
    +1
    [quote = Zyablitsev] I am not decree to the Supreme, but once again I will express the point of view that in my opinion it was necessary to officially send in troops in 2014 under the pretext of protecting the Russian population in Donbass! Now we would have had different conversations ... And if we had reached Kiev,

    And who should feed 40 million parasites? Over the years of "independence" Russia has spent on them 20 billion dollars that are far from superfluous to us. And what do we have?
  24. Nymp
    Nymp 14 February 2016 16: 10 New
    +2
    And what have geyroukras to lose? Crimea prospa ... and Donbass will not fall under the Bandera, the treasury is empty. It remains to spoil the blood "damned mockals" and for this it is not a sin to pull the rubber and blame everything on Putin!
  25. vovan089
    vovan089 14 February 2016 18: 14 New
    0
    There can be no talk of making any changes to the Minsk agreements, as well as conversations or even hints about the Kuril Islands and the Crimea.