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IRA "Green Dol" went to the Mediterranean Sea

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Rocket ship "Green Dol" came out on Saturday from Sevastopol to perform tasks in the Mediterranean Sea, the press service reported Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.


IRA "Green Dol" went to the Mediterranean Sea


"Small rocket ship (RTO)" Green Dol "and the sea minesweeper (MTSC)" Kovrovets "of the Black Sea fleet left Sevastopol to fulfill tasks as part of a permanent naval force in the Mediterranean, ”the release said.

“In November, 2015, the IRA“ Zelen Dol ”, built for the BSF at the Zelenodolsk plant named after A.M. Gorky, after the completion of state tests arrived in Sevastopol. December 12 it was solemnly raised the flag of St. Andrew. The crew of the ship will have to perform tasks in the Mediterranean for the first time, ”the press service said.

It is noted that "before going to sea, the sailors worked out a mandatory cycle of tasks on the organization of ship service and the implementation of combat training activities."

“The sea minesweeper Kovrovets previously performed tasks in the Atlantic Ocean and the Persian Gulf, however, due to the long interruption, this exit to the far sea zone for the current crew is also the first,” the message says.

Both ships from 8 to 12 February were involved in the exercises, conducted as part of a surprise test.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 14 February 2016 08: 51
    16
    Place the Gauges closer to the targets.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 14 February 2016 08: 58
      +7
      Why not? From these Turks everything can be expected ... and the Saudis also behave suspiciously.
      1. Very old
        Very old 14 February 2016 09: 22
        +4
        Lousy they behave

        Forgotten the very recent times of the Ottoman Empire = a short memory of death is like
        1. Very old
          Very old 14 February 2016 09: 27
          +2
          Recently talked about this:
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 14 February 2016 10: 28
            13
            I am not against all ideological comments above - and in general for

            Just propose to analyze from a technological and tactical point of view

            A number of questions

            1) Interestingly - the goal is to strengthen the anti-ship volley in the Mediterranean Sea? (te there RCC?)

            2) If not - and there are long-range calibers for ground targets - then troubling questions - where are these targets? Is it in the west of Europe? T to Turkey and Syria stretches from the coast of Iran

            3) and a minesweeper is a mine action. But ISIS does not put mines - it is only against Turkey and Europe
            1. WKS
              WKS 14 February 2016 11: 23
              +2
              Quote: Talgat
              I am not against all ideological comments above - and in general for

              Just propose to analyze from a technological and tactical point of view

              A number of questions

              1) Interestingly - the goal is to strengthen the anti-ship volley in the Mediterranean Sea? (te there RCC?)

              What is there inside no one will write. But if the Americans and Co. If they planned a ground operation in Syria, then they will send a sea cover with some aircraft carrier at the head. It is against this group that the MKR will work from the Mediterranean. A minesweeper is always useful.
            2. Army1
              Army1 14 February 2016 13: 34
              0
              Quote: Talgat
              and a minesweeper means mine action. And ISIS does not put mines - it is only against Turkey and Europe

              I also immediately thought the minesweeper was in case of surprises in Turkey through the straits.
              Quote: Talgat
              If not - and there are long-range calibers for ground targets - then disturbing questions - where are these targets? Is it in the west of Europe? T to Turkey and Syria stretches from the coast of Iran

              It’s also strange here, 8 missiles against the Earth is nothing, just a laugh, except in the Nuclear version, well, this is the most extremely non-realistic option, but in the anti-ship version, it’s more interesting
            3. alexmach
              alexmach 14 February 2016 18: 32
              +2
              Whatever it is and 8 missiles is practically nothing. Is that a little thing to sink.
            4. Dart2027
              Dart2027 14 February 2016 22: 26
              0
              Quote: Talgat
              A number of questions

              And why was our base in Syria covered from air defense systems from the very beginning? Obviously not from DAISH.
        2. WKS
          WKS 14 February 2016 11: 14
          +1
          And from the Black Sea it’s more convenient than launching calibers from the Caspian, and even closer. Something this Erdogan took too long a pause. Already, Alepo was surrounded, and he still pulls and pulls.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 14 February 2016 15: 09
            +2
            Quote: wks
            And from the Black Sea it’s more convenient than launching calibers from the Caspian, and even closer. Something this Erdogan took too long a pause. Already, Alepo was surrounded, and he still pulls and pulls.

            it’s most convenient to shoot like this ...
            1. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 14 February 2016 16: 47
              0
              Exactly ... As in a joke about a peaceful tractor with a vertical take-off ... And then a whole cargo ship ..
              Quote: PSih2097
              Quote: wks
              And from the Black Sea it’s more convenient than launching calibers from the Caspian, and even closer. Something this Erdogan took too long a pause. Already, Alepo was surrounded, and he still pulls and pulls.

              it’s most convenient to shoot like this ...
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN 14 February 2016 09: 41
        +3
        Judging by the ambitions of the Turks, the maritime grouping here is rather weak there. They did not count on a conflict with the Turks ... request
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 14 February 2016 10: 30
          +3
          Quote: NIKNN
          Judging by the ambitions of the Turks,

          I don’t think that the Turks have ambitions, they have long been accustomed to sew fur coats, to trade fakes, to rip off tourists. There are 3-5 people maximum ambitions, and all this is more like personal revenge bad Erdogan.
          In the course of their actions, an ambitious person will not set everyone against himself, but this is exactly how it turns out, even the United States recommends stopping the shelling of the Kurds.
    2. max702
      max702 14 February 2016 10: 41
      +2
      And how is "Moscow" doing there? Have a rest? I wonder if it will stay at home or will it go to reinforce it in Syria? I understand that the rotation and so on, it's just that there is less and less coverage near the native shores with anti-ship missiles, but in the Mediterranean, each combat unit has a special such rank ..
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 14 February 2016 21: 29
        +1
        It was like information that the repair would arise.
  2. PEDRO
    PEDRO 14 February 2016 08: 52
    +9
    To Turkey, the grouping is quietly pulled together ... (than it is interestingly charged, warheads ..)
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 14 February 2016 09: 04
      +4
      Why is it quiet, open!
      1. PEDRO
        PEDRO 14 February 2016 09: 22
        +2
        Quote: Red_Hamer
        Why is it quiet, open!

        One at a time .... We are not the United States so far; we can’t fit the entire AUG squadron (for intimidation ..)
        But we pull up "cunning" ships to different points, spreading them out on the sly .. You never know! We don't like to scare and "promote" in Russia (judging by Syria))))
        1. DIVAN SOLDIER
          DIVAN SOLDIER 14 February 2016 10: 17
          +4
          We don’t have a squadron, and therefore we aren’t pushing it, it would have been fitted.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 14 February 2016 10: 56
            +8
            Exactly, you might think we have dozens of destroyers in the bases there) On the contrary, they still managed to scratch it and send it. RTOs as part of the Mediterranean squadron are from the lack of just - this is a ship, it is generally for action in coastal waters
  3. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 14 February 2016 08: 54
    -2
    It is a very good event that the fleet's news goes to Middle-earth.
    But why is there a minesweeper? Is there anyone there who can throw mines into the water?
    Another would be to send Serpukhov MRK there, and B-261 Novorossiysk, otherwise we probably don't have underwater cover there now.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 February 2016 09: 02
      +8
      Most likely. Which Turkish TipNXX / 209 Gur is a stealth minefield of specially prepared mines. It will blow up the BDK, transport, or even Kulakov / Varyag. And the Turks will say, it’s not us, it’s from the time of Mussolini there are mines! Themselves to blame!

      Here for the protection of the water area of ​​Tartus and the squadron is a trawler. And it’s not a fact that it’s enough.

      By the way, the Turks fired at the Kurds last night in Aleppo, the SAA in Latakia (because of which one of the occupied villages was lost). And they said in the words of Davutouglu - this is just the beginning. We will avenge every step.

      Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubair in Munich said even more transparently:
      "Bashar al-Assad will either resign or be displaced by force".

      Now the baboons will no longer be able to displace him by force, so only a ground operation.
    2. gergi
      gergi 14 February 2016 09: 09
      +1
      Turks and throw filth in the sea. There and BOD is present. Boats Erdogashin drives.
  4. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 14 February 2016 08: 56
    +1
    This is after the transfer of the Saudi troops to Turkey and the statements about the ground operation. Next will be the arrival or call of the Saudis to Moscow. Then the Saudis will fly home. Here and all the show-offs.
  5. Sars
    Sars 14 February 2016 09: 02
    19
    Yes, it’s small for such trips. Ammunition for five minutes of battle. And calibers in the Turks can also be launched in Sevastopol.
    1. gergi
      gergi 14 February 2016 09: 12
      +1
      To pass through the straits small? Ammunition for five minutes? Missiles, these are not machine-gun belts, this is a sea of ​​fire!
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 14 February 2016 09: 53
      +2
      And recharging in the Black Sea is easier! In the Mediterranean, it will launch 8 of its missiles, and then what? Float back?
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 14 February 2016 11: 04
        +2
        In Latakia, it will charge and refuel. But of course there is little sense from him. Yes and expensive to exchange calibers for a trifle
      2. Vinchi
        Vinchi 14 February 2016 13: 08
        0
        "Calibers" can be launched not only from RTOs, but also from Tu-160 and TU-22MS from our territory, and I hope there are enough "Calibers" in the warehouses of our territory. soldier
  6. kolkulon
    kolkulon 14 February 2016 09: 07
    +1
    Small, but terrible as dangerous. A hint to the Turks.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 14 February 2016 15: 16
      +9
      Well, what the hell hint? What are you talking about, dear?
      For a "specific hint" to the Turks, in Mediterranean, our Navy does not have ships! Look at the numerical ratio of the ship composition of the Turkish fleet and the Black Sea Fleet, KKFl and our "squadron" off the coast of Syria, at the basing system and material support! Obviously not in our favor!
      Now we are reaping the fruits of the collapse and degradation of the fleet in the 90s! How many combat-ready ships of all ranks were scrapped ?! Hundreds !!!
      And now we "plug the holes" with those ships that are "on the move." Do you think RTOs with MTSH were sent to Syria in a cunning strategic plan ?! No, out of despair ...
      It was not necessary to hold the Olympics with the Universiades and Mudiales and buy up state bonded wrappers for hundreds of lard!, But invest in your economy so that ships could be built not for 5-7 years, to equip them with turbines and dies!
      And now we "can" what we have ...
  7. Afinogen
    Afinogen 14 February 2016 09: 09
    +9
    If there are at least five such ships, then one is only 8 missiles.
    1. ssf2257
      ssf2257 14 February 2016 15: 16
      0
      What is five, so the whole C.F. to fit ..... Moscow was not built right away. And the flea is still small, but it bites. The "Green Dol", although small, has enough nimbleness in it and has not quite eight stings.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 14 February 2016 18: 39
        +3
        And the whole Black Sea Fleet is how many ships do you think?

        There, after all, she is Moscow, and a few patrol officers, and that’s all.
  8. KnightRider
    KnightRider 14 February 2016 09: 11
    +1
    Seven feet!
  9. AlexTires
    AlexTires 14 February 2016 09: 20
    +1
    Gauges as humanitarian aid: Russia sometimes distributes it to those especially distinguished ... To whom they gave, have not yet complained ... lol
  10. True
    True 14 February 2016 09: 32
    +5
    Some strange news. First, why? Don't they get calibers from the Black Sea? Secondly, the Turks will now begin to stir up the water in the straits.
    1. Fonmeg
      Fonmeg 14 February 2016 09: 52
      0
      Before the Saudis will not get it.
    2. common man
      common man 14 February 2016 10: 03
      +3
      Quote: True
      Don't they get calibers from the Black Sea?

      They get it, but you need to take permission from the Turks to fly the missile through Turkey, and they by definition will not give. (The situation that Turkey and I are in a state of war is not yet considering). And I think you can recharge in Tartus for example.
      1. common man
        common man 14 February 2016 10: 42
        +1
        And in case of a conflict with Turkey, the "Green Dol" should be loaded with anti-ship calibers for joint work with the "Varyag". Spending Basalt on every Turkish trifle is at least unreasonable.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 14 February 2016 11: 01
          +4
          Quote: man in the street
          And in case of a conflict with Turkey, the "Green Dol" should be loaded with anti-ship calibers for joint work with the "Varyag". Spending Basalt on every Turkish trifle is at least unreasonable.

          Hello, what are the Basalts - there have long been Volcanoes. And then the Turks have more than enough goals for the PKR - one frigate 16 pieces. You probably have data from the times of the USSR
          1. common man
            common man 14 February 2016 11: 16
            0
            That's exactly what frigates are for Volcanoes, and Caliber is smaller. And in total, 16 anti-ship missiles or 24, the difference is kind of like.
  11. 30BIS
    30BIS 14 February 2016 09: 38
    +1
    Where is the admiral's series of frigates of project 11356r? Why not in Sevastopol and the Black Sea !! They have more powerful air defense. RTOs are good! But we need boats, frigates, destroyers .. Aircraft carriers after all. As the late Colonel Gaddafi said - “If the Soviet Union existed, no one would dare to attack Libya!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 February 2016 09: 42
      +3
      In the north, state tests are being completed, defects are being eliminated. Only the head one. Serial even less ready - in the sense of passing the test.
      1. kostya-petrov
        kostya-petrov 14 February 2016 09: 49
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        In the north, state tests are being completed, defects are being eliminated. Only the head one. Serial even less ready - in the sense of passing the test.

        TFR "Admiral Grigorovich" is now at the plant under revision before the control exit to the sea and the subsequent raising of the flag.
        TFR "Admiral Essen" is now undergoing state tests. The hoisting of the flag is planned for April 2016. Everything is going according to plan. Perhaps by the day of the Navy in Sevastopol there will be two TFRs of the admiral's series.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 14 February 2016 11: 04
          +2
          Quote: kostya-petrov
          Everything goes according to plan.
          According to the plan, Grigorovich should have been accepted in August 2015, and Essen by the end of 2015. There, all deadlines have moved and continue to move. They promised to accept Grigorovich in February, and now they are postponing again to the first decade of March, and there is no specific date.
      2. gispanec
        gispanec 14 February 2016 10: 07
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        In the north, state tests are being completed,

        Gorshkov also seems to end the torment)) ... now that’s what he needs to go to the Syrian shores ... and this line needs to be developed and built .... is there just what to do with the gas turbine? their still in 4-5 years will only be ... and not the fact that they are good ((...
    2. Fonmeg
      Fonmeg 14 February 2016 09: 51
      +3
      My dear, it’s easy to break up, but it’s much harder to recreate!
    3. gispanec
      gispanec 14 February 2016 09: 59
      +9
      Quote: 30BIS
      Where is the admiral series of frigates of the project 11356r?

      which series / ??? you fell from the moon ?? there is the head one and at most two more ... total ideally 3 pieces ....
      Quote: 30BIS
      They have more powerful air defense

      Yes, and the PLO is more powerful than that of the MRK .... and then the boat was sent to Syria so everyone is shouting the group ... missile ships ... they do not understand that this (MRK) is a boat for the Mediterranean ((neither air defense nor PLO nor seaworthiness. ..of the advantages of stealth and radio electronics, well, just 8 calibers ..
      1. kostya-petrov
        kostya-petrov 14 February 2016 10: 05
        +3
        Quote: gispanec
        .a then the boat was sent to Syria so everyone is shouting a group ... missile ships ..

        minesweeper goes ahead - cleans the fairway, passage for ships
        BOD "Vice-Admiral Kulakov" is tracking submarines, plus it has a Trumpet.
        GrKR "Varyag" has shock weapons.
        MRK "Zeleny Dol" has long-range cruise missiles.
        Plus, something else, probably under water, is guarding us from the AIC.
        Good grouping.
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 14 February 2016 11: 16
          +5
          Quote: kostya-petrov
          GrKR "Varyag" has shock weapons.

          he has anti-ship cruise missiles ... so they don’t have to work onshore overland ... that’s why they put the MRC there to have something along the coast .. The Varangian is there to provide air defense !! + ... Kulakov is bad, but he also needs a patrolman there like Grigorovich to accurately track Turkish submarines .. SKR 11356 also has a PLO turntable, ... a minesweeper is definitely needed there ... well, a couple of diesel engines would be welcome .. .but these are dreams ... I'm afraid soon the straits will be closed to us (for the military)
  12. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 14 February 2016 09: 53
    +2
    ALEPPO, Feb 14 - RIA Novosti, Mikhail Alaeddin. The Turkish armed forces opened fire from artillery shells at the positions of the Syrian army in the north-west of Latakia province, a military source told RIA Novosti.
    "Turkish artillery opened fire on the positions of the Syrian army in the area of ​​Mount Alia in the north-west of Latakia province. Several shells flew in from Turkish territory," the source said.

    Earlier it was reported that the Turkish military subjected to shelling the positions of Kurdish militias in Syria near the city of Aazaz.


    Goals are indicated!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 February 2016 10: 00
      10
      No.

      He has 8 missiles. Spending them on artillery positions (most likely empty already) is the height of wastefulness (even if fired at the moment of firing - the rocket will go for 20-30-40 minutes, depending on where - during this time the battery can curl up and go away, especially if it's Korean SPGs). Moreover, it is far from the fact that they will let him go back, the Turks can close the straits for warships from day to day. And if a military operation starts, they will close the straits for the prescribed reason - Turkey is in the war. These 8 calibres strategic reserve only for the most important goals that the FM cannot shoot.

      Since it is not a fact that they can charge it again, even with rockets. Special cranes are needed there - the only floating crane in the Navy under UKKS in the Caspian. The rest are stationary on the Navy. Is there a crane in Tartus or throughout Syria with the right precision and pitch?
      1. PEDRO
        PEDRO 14 February 2016 10: 15
        -7
        Quote: donavi49
        No.

        He has 8 missiles. Spending them on artillery positions (most likely empty already) is the height of wastefulness (even if fired at the moment of firing - the rocket will go for 20-30-40 minutes, depending on where - during this time the battery can curl up and go away, especially if it's Korean SPGs). Moreover, it is far from the fact that they will let him go back, the Turks can close the straits for warships from day to day. And if a military operation starts, they will close the straits for the prescribed reason - Turkey is in the war. These 8 calibres strategic reserve only for the most important goals that the FM cannot shoot.

        Since it is not a fact that they can charge it again, even with rockets. Special cranes are needed there - the only floating crane in the Navy under UKKS in the Caspian. The rest are stationary on the Navy. Is there a crane in Tartus or throughout Syria with the right precision and pitch?

        Think burned ...? You have profiled your fleet and there is no need to hysteria from anger!
        Our Fleet will complete the task in full, according to the order! soldier
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 14 February 2016 10: 40
          +4
          So that's great. however, the only floating crane specially equipped for the VTR-79 calibers (or rather it was originally made for other products, but redone under the UKKS) - in the Caspian.

          There are special cranes for loading at the Black Sea Fleet, Kapspii, Baltiysk and in the north. They are not mobile.

          The question is whether in Syria there is a crane with the right accuracy? If there is, then reloading is possible - by Ilom to deliver missiles, deliver to Tartus / any other port - download.

          If not, then difficulties will arise, in the form of the impossibility of recharging outside the home base.

          However, even if there is a crane, there is a supply of missiles; releasing them at replaceable artillery positions is extremely wasteful. The task of suppressing or distracting artillery is made simpler by counter-battery fire in place. It is cheaper and more efficient.
          1. PEDRO
            PEDRO 14 February 2016 11: 32
            0
            Well done!... hi
  13. chikenous59
    chikenous59 14 February 2016 10: 17
    +2
    That TNW drove up, then the arguments are over.
    Or does someone think that such a "boat" will be brought so close to Turkey, equipped with missiles with conventional warheads? You can hit the target from a farther distance.
    This is a gesture, and the gesture is not simple. Almost an ultimatum!
    1. PEDRO
      PEDRO 14 February 2016 10: 23
      0
      Quote: chikenous59
      That TNW drove up, then the arguments are over.
      Or does someone think that such a "boat" will be brought so close to Turkey, equipped with missiles with conventional warheads? You can hit the target from a farther distance.
      This is a gesture, and the gesture is not simple. Almost an ultimatum!

      Will Constantinople and the Strait be returned to us (such an agreement was a long time ago) Coincidence? I don’t think so!
  14. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 February 2016 10: 22
    +2
    This is MF. It's not easy! Why should you buzz if you're not a bee? And where are the bees, there is honey! So Winnie the Pooh is completely right in his conclusions, and only the Lord God and the Supreme know about the tasks of our ships off the coast of Syria! We will not make hasty conclusions, everything has its time!
  15. Wiruz
    Wiruz 14 February 2016 11: 02
    +6
    Honestly, I think that he does not carry the Caliber for hitting ISIS, but the PKRs: the same Onyx or Caliber 3m54.
    The situation is now tense, it may be necessary to hammer the enemy fleet, and to hit Caliber with ISIS is purely for show bully
  16. sergeant zabvo
    sergeant zabvo 14 February 2016 11: 54
    0
    Well, what ... all in Ivanovo. so if the green dol harnessed then I think igil marin cliff will find out!
  17. Old26
    Old26 14 February 2016 12: 58
    +6
    Quote: Talgat
    I am not against all the ideological comments above - and in general for.

    Ideological comments are good until, on the basis of them, the majority of people begin to form cap-and-eye attitudes towards certain events

    Quote: Talgat
    I just propose to analyze it from a technological and tactical point of view.
    1) Interesting - the goal is to strengthen the anti-ship volley in the Mediterranean? (i.e. is there RCC?)
    2) If not - and there are long-range calibers for ground targets - then troubling questions - where are these targets? Is it in the west of Europe? T to Turkey and Syria stretches from the coast of Iran
    3) a minesweeper - this means mine action.

    You can, of course, consider the problem from this side, but it seems to me that the chest opens simply. They sent what is on the go. We are looking for some sacred secrets in why we sent "Green Valley" there. What is - it was sent. In the navy of warships, rank 1-2 can be listed on the fingers of one hand. The same number and 3 ranks, that is, ships of the MRK type. In addition there is a minesweeper. Some kind of a warship. As for the questions, then

    1) It is unlikely to strengthen the anti-ship volley in the Mediterranean Sea. He has no targets at direct range, and firing at a long-range target with a subsonic anti-ship missile is not the best way to expend ammunition.

    2) if, as you write there long-range "Calibers", that is, missiles of the 3M14 type, then tell me what the point is. If there were targets in Syria and the same Turkey (if we accept the conditions of hostilities with Turkey - which is not yet visible and is unlikely to be planned), then this could be done from the Caspian, having there 4 ships with a common BC of 32 missiles, and problems with recharge - no, even in Astrakhan, even in Makhachkala. Is there a RTO with a BC of 8 CR and reloading in the Crimea?
    In the west of Europe? When launched from the coast of Syria? And an immodest question, where will they end up? Going nowhere? After all, "distant" missiles must have correction zones based on a digital terrain map. Because of this, they were launched from the Caspian almost from a position located close to the Iranian coast, since the first correction zone was apparently a little more than 100-150 km from the launch site. But they have not yet learned how to create digital maps of the water surface.

    3) Minesweeper alone as a means of mine action? Well this is not serious. This is just another pennant, no more.

    Quote: wks
    What is there inside no one will write. But if the Americans and Co. If they planned a ground operation in Syria, then they will send a sea cover with some aircraft carrier at the head. It is against this group that the MKR will work from the Mediterranean. A minesweeper is always useful.

    Oh well, against a missile launcher with four at least destroyers and ammunition in a couple of hundred missiles, will MKR work with 8 subsonic anti-ship missiles? Himself not funny. I'm not talking about aircraft on the AUG

    Quote: Wiruz
    Honestly, I think that he does not carry the Caliber for hitting ISIS, but the PKRs: the same Onyx or Caliber 3m54.

    That's just a question of filling. And "Buyany-M" ever shot "onyx" ??
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 14 February 2016 13: 00
      +2
      That's just a question of filling. And "Buyany-M" ever shot "onyx" ??

      Personally, I have never seen. Only nothing bothers them. Their UVP is 3s14, unified both for Caliber and Onyx yes
  18. Vinchi
    Vinchi 14 February 2016 13: 01
    -2
    Interesting .. in the hold of the minesweeper you can put a "bundle" of calibers, wider of course ... (the pocket does not press on the stock)
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 14 February 2016 13: 29
      +8
      You have to tie this "Cult of Caliber", eh. Yes, the rocket is good, but this is not a damn wunderwaffe fool
  19. Termit1309
    Termit1309 14 February 2016 14: 35
    +2
    Quote: Old26
    You can, of course, consider the problem from this side, but it seems to me that the chest opens simply. They sent what is on the go. We are looking for some sacred secrets in why we sent "Green Valley" there. What is - it was sent.

    Sorry you are right. sad Even if Green Dol is charged with Onyx, it looks like he was sent just for a number. With such ammunition, without reloading. sad Survived.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 14 February 2016 15: 08
      +2
      Do you consider 8 supersonic anti-ship missiles an insufficient reason to worry about NATO ships? Well, who of NATO have anti-ship missiles? And, most importantly, which ones?
  20. lazy
    lazy 14 February 2016 16: 50
    0
    if I’m not mistaken, one of the articles on the VO wrote that the ships of this project had insufficient seaworthiness, it was not for nothing that they were first made for the Caspian. that’s the question of how appropriate it is in the Mediterranean. Although the gauges can be launched from the pier in the base.
  21. Old26
    Old26 14 February 2016 19: 13
    +1
    Quote: Wiruz
    Personally, I have never seen. Only nothing bothers them. Their UVP is 3s14, unified both for Caliber and Onyx

    Doesn't interfere, Alexey, doesn't interfere. But "Severodvinsk" was shooting "Onyxes", but "Buyany-M" - alas, nothing was heard. And to put untested at least rakh is not comme il faut
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 14 February 2016 20: 30
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      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Wiruz
      Personally, I have never seen. Only nothing bothers them. Their UVP is 3s14, unified both for Caliber and Onyx

      Doesn't interfere, Alexey, doesn't interfere. But "Severodvinsk" was shooting "Onyxes", but "Buyany-M" - alas, nothing was heard. And to put untested at least rakh is not comme il faut

      And you do not admit, Vladimir, that out of hopelessness they can download Onyxes? Anyway, there are no other (approved) carriers at hand.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 14 February 2016 23: 20
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        No, why not? The anti-ship missile 3m54 "Caliber" was launched more than once during the exercises.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 14 February 2016 23: 40
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      But isn't it a universal, serial complex?
  22. aleks26
    aleks26 14 February 2016 23: 39
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    Why is everyone obsessed with missiles? Maybe they really plan to use it as a big boat, there to drive some suspicious ships, presumably civilians, which headed in the wrong place. Or some other small tasks. Do not jerk "serious" ships on every little thing. He has a little gun, he has large-caliber machine guns. Remember how recently some kind of "Turk fisherman" lane to "Moscow". It’s just the right time to fight such petty provocations.
  23. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 15 February 2016 01: 09
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    Considering that Turkey has 14 submarine submarines, the lion's share of which is combat-ready, then sending the Green Dol MRK to Syria without anti-submarine weapons could turn into a tragedy. Turkey has already shot down a Su-24M of the Russian Air Force and there are no guarantees that Turkey will not attack a ship under the Russian flag. fleet, capable of fighting surface, underwater and air targets of the enemy.
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    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 15 February 2016 01: 42
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      Quote: Corvetkapitan
      If the fleet command wanted to strengthen the grouping of warships in Syria, then this had to be done.

      Do you also give such advice to your immediate superiors? laughing

      My doubts sorry negative
      1. Corvetkapitan
        Corvetkapitan 15 February 2016 10: 02
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        “Great strategists” like Pasha Grachev, nicknamed “Mercedes”, cost Russia too much. I believe that Grachev should have been brought before a tribunal and not him alone ...
  24. Termit1309
    Termit1309 15 February 2016 10: 26
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    Quote: Corvetkapitan
    “Great strategists” like Pasha Grachev, nicknamed “Mercedes”, cost Russia too much. I believe that Grachev should have been brought before a tribunal and not him alone ...

    Well you say too. This is a giant of thought, like all our defense ministers. Just then Serdyukov came and ruined everything.
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 15 February 2016 10: 31
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      Well, yes, this is from the series `` Who will plant him, he's a monument ''