IRA "Green Dol" went to the Mediterranean Sea

Rocket ship "Green Dol" came out on Saturday from Sevastopol to perform tasks in the Mediterranean Sea, the press service reported Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

"Small rocket ship (RTO)" Green Dol "and the sea minesweeper (MTSC)" Kovrovets "of the Black Sea fleet left Sevastopol to fulfill tasks as part of a permanent naval force in the Mediterranean, ”the release said.

“In November, 2015, the IRA“ Zelen Dol ”, built for the BSF at the Zelenodolsk plant named after A.M. Gorky, after the completion of state tests arrived in Sevastopol. December 12 it was solemnly raised the flag of St. Andrew. The crew of the ship will have to perform tasks in the Mediterranean for the first time, ”the press service said.

It is noted that "before going to sea, the sailors worked out a mandatory cycle of tasks on the organization of ship service and the implementation of combat training activities."

“The sea minesweeper Kovrovets previously performed tasks in the Atlantic Ocean and the Persian Gulf, however, due to the long interruption, this exit to the far sea zone for the current crew is also the first,” the message says.

Both ships from 8 to 12 February were involved in the exercises, conducted as part of a surprise test.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

Place the Gauges closer to the targets.

[yuriy55]

Why not? From these Turks everything can be expected ... and the Saudis also behave suspiciously.

[Very old]

Lousy they behave

Forgotten the very recent times of the Ottoman Empire = a short memory of death is like

[Very old]

Recently talked about this:

[Talgat]

I am not against all ideological comments above - and in general for

Just propose to analyze from a technological and tactical point of view

A number of questions

1) Interestingly - the goal is to strengthen the anti-ship volley in the Mediterranean Sea? (te there RCC?)

2) If not - and there are long-range calibers for ground targets - then troubling questions - where are these targets? Is it in the west of Europe? T to Turkey and Syria stretches from the coast of Iran

3) and a minesweeper is a mine action. But ISIS does not put mines - it is only against Turkey and Europe

[WKS]

Quote: Talgat

I am not against all ideological comments above - and in general for

Just propose to analyze from a technological and tactical point of view

A number of questions

1) Interestingly - the goal is to strengthen the anti-ship volley in the Mediterranean Sea? (te there RCC?)

What is there inside no one will write. But if the Americans and Co. If they planned a ground operation in Syria, then they will send a sea cover with some aircraft carrier at the head. It is against this group that the MKR will work from the Mediterranean. A minesweeper is always useful.

[Army1]

Quote: Talgat

and a minesweeper means mine action. And ISIS does not put mines - it is only against Turkey and Europe

I also immediately thought the minesweeper was in case of surprises in Turkey through the straits.

Quote: Talgat

If not - and there are long-range calibers for ground targets - then disturbing questions - where are these targets? Is it in the west of Europe? T to Turkey and Syria stretches from the coast of Iran

It’s also strange here, 8 missiles against the Earth is nothing, just a laugh, except in the Nuclear version, well, this is the most extremely non-realistic option, but in the anti-ship version, it’s more interesting

[alexmach]

Whatever it is and 8 missiles is practically nothing. Is that a little thing to sink.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Talgat

A number of questions

And why was our base in Syria covered from air defense systems from the very beginning? Obviously not from DAISH.

[WKS]

And from the Black Sea it’s more convenient than launching calibers from the Caspian, and even closer. Something this Erdogan took too long a pause. Already, Alepo was surrounded, and he still pulls and pulls.

[PSih2097]

Quote: wks

And from the Black Sea it’s more convenient than launching calibers from the Caspian, and even closer. Something this Erdogan took too long a pause. Already, Alepo was surrounded, and he still pulls and pulls.

it’s most convenient to shoot like this ...

[dmi.pris1]

Exactly ... As in a joke about a peaceful tractor with a vertical take-off ... And then a whole cargo ship ..

Quote: PSih2097

Quote: wks

And from the Black Sea it’s more convenient than launching calibers from the Caspian, and even closer. Something this Erdogan took too long a pause. Already, Alepo was surrounded, and he still pulls and pulls.

it’s most convenient to shoot like this ...

[NIKNN]

Judging by the ambitions of the Turks, the maritime grouping here is rather weak there. They did not count on a conflict with the Turks ...

[APASUS]

Quote: NIKNN

Judging by the ambitions of the Turks,

I don’t think that the Turks have ambitions, they have long been accustomed to sew fur coats, to trade fakes, to rip off tourists. There are 3-5 people maximum ambitions, and all this is more like personal revenge bad Erdogan.
In the course of their actions, an ambitious person will not set everyone against himself, but this is exactly how it turns out, even the United States recommends stopping the shelling of the Kurds.

[max702]

And how is "Moscow" doing there? Have a rest? I wonder if it will stay at home or will it go to reinforce it in Syria? I understand that the rotation and so on, it's just that there is less and less coverage near the native shores with anti-ship missiles, but in the Mediterranean, each combat unit has a special such rank ..

[alexmach]

It was like information that the repair would arise.

[PEDRO]

To Turkey, the grouping is quietly pulled together ... (than it is interestingly charged, warheads ..)

[Red_Hamer]

Why is it quiet, open!

[PEDRO]

Quote: Red_Hamer

Why is it quiet, open!

One at a time .... We are not the United States so far; we can’t fit the entire AUG squadron (for intimidation ..)
But we pull up "cunning" ships to different points, spreading them out on the sly .. You never know! We don't like to scare and "promote" in Russia (judging by Syria))))

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

We don’t have a squadron, and therefore we aren’t pushing it, it would have been fitted.

[Stirbjorn]

Exactly, you might think we have dozens of destroyers in the bases there) On the contrary, they still managed to scratch it and send it. RTOs as part of the Mediterranean squadron are from the lack of just - this is a ship, it is generally for action in coastal waters

[kostya-petrov]

It is a very good event that the fleet's news goes to Middle-earth.
But why is there a minesweeper? Is there anyone there who can throw mines into the water?
Another would be to send Serpukhov MRK there, and B-261 Novorossiysk, otherwise we probably don't have underwater cover there now.

[donavi49]

Most likely. Which Turkish TipNXX / 209 Gur is a stealth minefield of specially prepared mines. It will blow up the BDK, transport, or even Kulakov / Varyag. And the Turks will say, it’s not us, it’s from the time of Mussolini there are mines! Themselves to blame!

Here for the protection of the water area of ​​Tartus and the squadron is a trawler. And it’s not a fact that it’s enough.

By the way, the Turks fired at the Kurds last night in Aleppo, the SAA in Latakia (because of which one of the occupied villages was lost). And they said in the words of Davutouglu - this is just the beginning. We will avenge every step.

Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubair in Munich said even more transparently:
"Bashar al-Assad will either resign or be displaced by force".

Now the baboons will no longer be able to displace him by force, so only a ground operation.

[gergi]

Turks and throw filth in the sea. There and BOD is present. Boats Erdogashin drives.

[AdekvatNICK]

This is after the transfer of the Saudi troops to Turkey and the statements about the ground operation. Next will be the arrival or call of the Saudis to Moscow. Then the Saudis will fly home. Here and all the show-offs.

[Sars]

Yes, it’s small for such trips. Ammunition for five minutes of battle. And calibers in the Turks can also be launched in Sevastopol.

[gergi]

To pass through the straits small? Ammunition for five minutes? Missiles, these are not machine-gun belts, this is a sea of ​​fire!

[Stas157]

And recharging in the Black Sea is easier! In the Mediterranean, it will launch 8 of its missiles, and then what? Float back?

[tlauicol]

In Latakia, it will charge and refuel. But of course there is little sense from him. Yes and expensive to exchange calibers for a trifle

[Vinchi]

"Calibers" can be launched not only from RTOs, but also from Tu-160 and TU-22MS from our territory, and I hope there are enough "Calibers" in the warehouses of our territory.

[kolkulon]

Small, but terrible as dangerous. A hint to the Turks.

[kepmor]

Well, what the hell hint? What are you talking about, dear?
For a "specific hint" to the Turks, in Mediterranean, our Navy does not have ships! Look at the numerical ratio of the ship composition of the Turkish fleet and the Black Sea Fleet, KKFl and our "squadron" off the coast of Syria, at the basing system and material support! Obviously not in our favor!
Now we are reaping the fruits of the collapse and degradation of the fleet in the 90s! How many combat-ready ships of all ranks were scrapped ?! Hundreds !!!
And now we "plug the holes" with those ships that are "on the move." Do you think RTOs with MTSH were sent to Syria in a cunning strategic plan ?! No, out of despair ...
It was not necessary to hold the Olympics with the Universiades and Mudiales and buy up state bonded wrappers for hundreds of lard!, But invest in your economy so that ships could be built not for 5-7 years, to equip them with turbines and dies!
And now we "can" what we have ...

[Afinogen]

If there are at least five such ships, then one is only 8 missiles.

[ssf2257]

What is five, so the whole C.F. to fit ..... Moscow was not built right away. And the flea is still small, but it bites. The "Green Dol", although small, has enough nimbleness in it and has not quite eight stings.

[alexmach]

And the whole Black Sea Fleet is how many ships do you think?

There, after all, she is Moscow, and a few patrol officers, and that’s all.

[Knight Rider]

Seven feet!

[AlexTires]

Gauges as humanitarian aid: Russia sometimes distributes it to those especially distinguished ... To whom they gave, have not yet complained ...

[True]

Some strange news. First, why? Don't they get calibers from the Black Sea? Secondly, the Turks will now begin to stir up the water in the straits.

[Fonmeg]

Before the Saudis will not get it.

[common man]

Quote: True

Don't they get calibers from the Black Sea?

They get it, but you need to take permission from the Turks to fly the missile through Turkey, and they by definition will not give. (The situation that Turkey and I are in a state of war is not yet considering). And I think you can recharge in Tartus for example.

[common man]

And in case of a conflict with Turkey, the "Green Dol" should be loaded with anti-ship calibers for joint work with the "Varyag". Spending Basalt on every Turkish trifle is at least unreasonable.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: man in the street

And in case of a conflict with Turkey, the "Green Dol" should be loaded with anti-ship calibers for joint work with the "Varyag". Spending Basalt on every Turkish trifle is at least unreasonable.

Hello, what are the Basalts - there have long been Volcanoes. And then the Turks have more than enough goals for the PKR - one frigate 16 pieces. You probably have data from the times of the USSR

[common man]

That's exactly what frigates are for Volcanoes, and Caliber is smaller. And in total, 16 anti-ship missiles or 24, the difference is kind of like.

[30BIS]

Where is the admiral's series of frigates of project 11356r? Why not in Sevastopol and the Black Sea !! They have more powerful air defense. RTOs are good! But we need boats, frigates, destroyers .. Aircraft carriers after all. As the late Colonel Gaddafi said - “If the Soviet Union existed, no one would dare to attack Libya!

[donavi49]

In the north, state tests are being completed, defects are being eliminated. Only the head one. Serial even less ready - in the sense of passing the test.

[kostya-petrov]

Quote: donavi49

In the north, state tests are being completed, defects are being eliminated. Only the head one. Serial even less ready - in the sense of passing the test.

TFR "Admiral Grigorovich" is now at the plant under revision before the control exit to the sea and the subsequent raising of the flag.
TFR "Admiral Essen" is now undergoing state tests. The hoisting of the flag is planned for April 2016. Everything is going according to plan. Perhaps by the day of the Navy in Sevastopol there will be two TFRs of the admiral's series.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: kostya-petrov

Everything goes according to plan.

According to the plan, Grigorovich should have been accepted in August 2015, and Essen by the end of 2015. There, all deadlines have moved and continue to move. They promised to accept Grigorovich in February, and now they are postponing again to the first decade of March, and there is no specific date.

[gispanec]

Quote: donavi49

In the north, state tests are being completed,

Gorshkov also seems to end the torment)) ... now that’s what he needs to go to the Syrian shores ... and this line needs to be developed and built .... is there just what to do with the gas turbine? their still in 4-5 years will only be ... and not the fact that they are good ((...

[Fonmeg]

My dear, it’s easy to break up, but it’s much harder to recreate!

[gispanec]

Quote: 30BIS

Where is the admiral series of frigates of the project 11356r?

which series / ??? you fell from the moon ?? there is the head one and at most two more ... total ideally 3 pieces ....

Quote: 30BIS

They have more powerful air defense

Yes, and the PLO is more powerful than that of the MRK .... and then the boat was sent to Syria so everyone is shouting the group ... missile ships ... they do not understand that this (MRK) is a boat for the Mediterranean ((neither air defense nor PLO nor seaworthiness. ..of the advantages of stealth and radio electronics, well, just 8 calibers ..

[kostya-petrov]

Quote: gispanec

.a then the boat was sent to Syria so everyone is shouting a group ... missile ships ..

minesweeper goes ahead - cleans the fairway, passage for ships
BOD "Vice-Admiral Kulakov" is tracking submarines, plus it has a Trumpet.
GrKR "Varyag" has shock weapons.
MRK "Zeleny Dol" has long-range cruise missiles.
Plus, something else, probably under water, is guarding us from the AIC.
Good grouping.

[gispanec]

Quote: kostya-petrov

GrKR "Varyag" has shock weapons.

he has anti-ship cruise missiles ... so they don’t have to work onshore overland ... that’s why they put the MRC there to have something along the coast .. The Varangian is there to provide air defense !! + ... Kulakov is bad, but he also needs a patrolman there like Grigorovich to accurately track Turkish submarines .. SKR 11356 also has a PLO turntable, ... a minesweeper is definitely needed there ... well, a couple of diesel engines would be welcome .. .but these are dreams ... I'm afraid soon the straits will be closed to us (for the military)

[Fonmeg]

ALEPPO, Feb 14 - RIA Novosti, Mikhail Alaeddin. The Turkish armed forces opened fire from artillery shells at the positions of the Syrian army in the north-west of Latakia province, a military source told RIA Novosti.
"Turkish artillery opened fire on the positions of the Syrian army in the area of ​​Mount Alia in the north-west of Latakia province. Several shells flew in from Turkish territory," the source said.

Earlier it was reported that the Turkish military subjected to shelling the positions of Kurdish militias in Syria near the city of Aazaz.

Goals are indicated!

[donavi49]

No.

He has 8 missiles. Spending them on artillery positions (most likely empty already) is the height of wastefulness (even if fired at the moment of firing - the rocket will go for 20-30-40 minutes, depending on where - during this time the battery can curl up and go away, especially if it's Korean SPGs). Moreover, it is far from the fact that they will let him go back, the Turks can close the straits for warships from day to day. And if a military operation starts, they will close the straits for the prescribed reason - Turkey is in the war. These 8 calibres strategic reserve only for the most important goals that the FM cannot shoot.

Since it is not a fact that they can charge it again, even with rockets. Special cranes are needed there - the only floating crane in the Navy under UKKS in the Caspian. The rest are stationary on the Navy. Is there a crane in Tartus or throughout Syria with the right precision and pitch?

[PEDRO]

Quote: donavi49

No.

He has 8 missiles. Spending them on artillery positions (most likely empty already) is the height of wastefulness (even if fired at the moment of firing - the rocket will go for 20-30-40 minutes, depending on where - during this time the battery can curl up and go away, especially if it's Korean SPGs). Moreover, it is far from the fact that they will let him go back, the Turks can close the straits for warships from day to day. And if a military operation starts, they will close the straits for the prescribed reason - Turkey is in the war. These 8 calibres strategic reserve only for the most important goals that the FM cannot shoot.

Since it is not a fact that they can charge it again, even with rockets. Special cranes are needed there - the only floating crane in the Navy under UKKS in the Caspian. The rest are stationary on the Navy. Is there a crane in Tartus or throughout Syria with the right precision and pitch?

Think burned ...? You have profiled your fleet and there is no need to hysteria from anger!
Our Fleet will complete the task in full, according to the order!

[donavi49]

So that's great. however, the only floating crane specially equipped for the VTR-79 calibers (or rather it was originally made for other products, but redone under the UKKS) - in the Caspian.

There are special cranes for loading at the Black Sea Fleet, Kapspii, Baltiysk and in the north. They are not mobile.

The question is whether in Syria there is a crane with the right accuracy? If there is, then reloading is possible - by Ilom to deliver missiles, deliver to Tartus / any other port - download.

If not, then difficulties will arise, in the form of the impossibility of recharging outside the home base.

However, even if there is a crane, there is a supply of missiles; releasing them at replaceable artillery positions is extremely wasteful. The task of suppressing or distracting artillery is made simpler by counter-battery fire in place. It is cheaper and more efficient.

[PEDRO]

Well done!...

[chikenous59]

That TNW drove up, then the arguments are over.
Or does someone think that such a "boat" will be brought so close to Turkey, equipped with missiles with conventional warheads? You can hit the target from a farther distance.
This is a gesture, and the gesture is not simple. Almost an ultimatum!

[PEDRO]

Quote: chikenous59

That TNW drove up, then the arguments are over.
Or does someone think that such a "boat" will be brought so close to Turkey, equipped with missiles with conventional warheads? You can hit the target from a farther distance.
This is a gesture, and the gesture is not simple. Almost an ultimatum!

Will Constantinople and the Strait be returned to us (such an agreement was a long time ago) Coincidence? I don’t think so!

[kartalovkolya]

This is MF. It's not easy! Why should you buzz if you're not a bee? And where are the bees, there is honey! So Winnie the Pooh is completely right in his conclusions, and only the Lord God and the Supreme know about the tasks of our ships off the coast of Syria! We will not make hasty conclusions, everything has its time!

[Wiruz]

Honestly, I think that he does not carry the Caliber for hitting ISIS, but the PKRs: the same Onyx or Caliber 3m54.
The situation is now tense, it may be necessary to hammer the enemy fleet, and to hit Caliber with ISIS is purely for show

[sergeant zabvo]

Well, what ... all in Ivanovo. so if the green dol harnessed then I think igil marin cliff will find out!

[Old26]

Quote: Talgat

I am not against all the ideological comments above - and in general for.

Ideological comments are good until, on the basis of them, the majority of people begin to form cap-and-eye attitudes towards certain events

Quote: Talgat

I just propose to analyze it from a technological and tactical point of view.
1) Interesting - the goal is to strengthen the anti-ship volley in the Mediterranean? (i.e. is there RCC?)
2) If not - and there are long-range calibers for ground targets - then troubling questions - where are these targets? Is it in the west of Europe? T to Turkey and Syria stretches from the coast of Iran
3) a minesweeper - this means mine action.

You can, of course, consider the problem from this side, but it seems to me that the chest opens simply. They sent what is on the go. We are looking for some sacred secrets in why we sent "Green Valley" there. What is - it was sent. In the navy of warships, rank 1-2 can be listed on the fingers of one hand. The same number and 3 ranks, that is, ships of the MRK type. In addition there is a minesweeper. Some kind of a warship. As for the questions, then

1) It is unlikely to strengthen the anti-ship volley in the Mediterranean Sea. He has no targets at direct range, and firing at a long-range target with a subsonic anti-ship missile is not the best way to expend ammunition.

2) if, as you write there long-range "Calibers", that is, missiles of the 3M14 type, then tell me what the point is. If there were targets in Syria and the same Turkey (if we accept the conditions of hostilities with Turkey - which is not yet visible and is unlikely to be planned), then this could be done from the Caspian, having there 4 ships with a common BC of 32 missiles, and problems with recharge - no, even in Astrakhan, even in Makhachkala. Is there a RTO with a BC of 8 CR and reloading in the Crimea?
In the west of Europe? When launched from the coast of Syria? And an immodest question, where will they end up? Going nowhere? After all, "distant" missiles must have correction zones based on a digital terrain map. Because of this, they were launched from the Caspian almost from a position located close to the Iranian coast, since the first correction zone was apparently a little more than 100-150 km from the launch site. But they have not yet learned how to create digital maps of the water surface.

3) Minesweeper alone as a means of mine action? Well this is not serious. This is just another pennant, no more.

Quote: wks

What is there inside no one will write. But if the Americans and Co. If they planned a ground operation in Syria, then they will send a sea cover with some aircraft carrier at the head. It is against this group that the MKR will work from the Mediterranean. A minesweeper is always useful.

Oh well, against a missile launcher with four at least destroyers and ammunition in a couple of hundred missiles, will MKR work with 8 subsonic anti-ship missiles? Himself not funny. I'm not talking about aircraft on the AUG

Quote: Wiruz

Honestly, I think that he does not carry the Caliber for hitting ISIS, but the PKRs: the same Onyx or Caliber 3m54.

That's just a question of filling. And "Buyany-M" ever shot "onyx" ??

[Wiruz]

That's just a question of filling. And "Buyany-M" ever shot "onyx" ??

Personally, I have never seen. Only nothing bothers them. Their UVP is 3s14, unified both for Caliber and Onyx

[Vinchi]

Interesting .. in the hold of the minesweeper you can put a "bundle" of calibers, wider of course ... (the pocket does not press on the stock)

[Wiruz]

You have to tie this "Cult of Caliber", eh. Yes, the rocket is good, but this is not a damn wunderwaffe

[Termit1309]

Quote: Old26

You can, of course, consider the problem from this side, but it seems to me that the chest opens simply. They sent what is on the go. We are looking for some sacred secrets in why we sent "Green Valley" there. What is - it was sent.

Sorry you are right. Even if Green Dol is charged with Onyx, it looks like he was sent just for a number. With such ammunition, without reloading. Survived.

[Wiruz]

Do you consider 8 supersonic anti-ship missiles an insufficient reason to worry about NATO ships? Well, who of NATO have anti-ship missiles? And, most importantly, which ones?

[lazy]

if I’m not mistaken, one of the articles on the VO wrote that the ships of this project had insufficient seaworthiness, it was not for nothing that they were first made for the Caspian. that’s the question of how appropriate it is in the Mediterranean. Although the gauges can be launched from the pier in the base.

[Old26]

Quote: Wiruz

Personally, I have never seen. Only nothing bothers them. Their UVP is 3s14, unified both for Caliber and Onyx

Doesn't interfere, Alexey, doesn't interfere. But "Severodvinsk" was shooting "Onyxes", but "Buyany-M" - alas, nothing was heard. And to put untested at least rakh is not comme il faut

[Kuzyakin15]

Quote: Old26

Quote: Wiruz

Personally, I have never seen. Only nothing bothers them. Their UVP is 3s14, unified both for Caliber and Onyx

Doesn't interfere, Alexey, doesn't interfere. But "Severodvinsk" was shooting "Onyxes", but "Buyany-M" - alas, nothing was heard. And to put untested at least rakh is not comme il faut

And you do not admit, Vladimir, that out of hopelessness they can download Onyxes? Anyway, there are no other (approved) carriers at hand.

[Wiruz]

No, why not? The anti-ship missile 3m54 "Caliber" was launched more than once during the exercises.

[Dart2027]

But isn't it a universal, serial complex?

[aleks26]

Why is everyone obsessed with missiles? Maybe they really plan to use it as a big boat, there to drive some suspicious ships, presumably civilians, which headed in the wrong place. Or some other small tasks. Do not jerk "serious" ships on every little thing. He has a little gun, he has large-caliber machine guns. Remember how recently some kind of "Turk fisherman" lane to "Moscow". It’s just the right time to fight such petty provocations.

[Corvetkapitan]

Considering that Turkey has 14 submarine submarines, the lion's share of which is combat-ready, then sending the Green Dol MRK to Syria without anti-submarine weapons could turn into a tragedy. Turkey has already shot down a Su-24M of the Russian Air Force and there are no guarantees that Turkey will not attack a ship under the Russian flag. fleet, capable of fighting surface, underwater and air targets of the enemy.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Corvetkapitan

If the fleet command wanted to strengthen the grouping of warships in Syria, then this had to be done.

Do you also give such advice to your immediate superiors?

My doubts sorry

[Corvetkapitan]

“Great strategists” like Pasha Grachev, nicknamed “Mercedes”, cost Russia too much. I believe that Grachev should have been brought before a tribunal and not him alone ...

[Termit1309]

Quote: Corvetkapitan

“Great strategists” like Pasha Grachev, nicknamed “Mercedes”, cost Russia too much. I believe that Grachev should have been brought before a tribunal and not him alone ...

Well you say too. This is a giant of thought, like all our defense ministers. Just then Serdyukov came and ruined everything.

[Corvetkapitan]

Well, yes, this is from the series `` Who will plant him, he's a monument ''