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And again about self-defense

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The instructors of the fitness club, the CCM boxing and bodybuilder Dmitry Tomilin were stabbed to death - presumably because of the girl, allegedly suspected and detained Alexei N. One sentence, but how much information about real street fights and the very life it contains! But analyze in order.


First, the description of the case based on materials in the media:
5 February, in St. Petersburg, the dead Dmitry Tomilin met with the future killer around 9 in the evening. Dmitry hardly assumed that the "demolition" would end with his death. (And had to provide for any possible course of events).

The attack, which on LifeNews’s website is beautifully called a “duel” (is it like a one-sided duel?), Happened in the very center of St. Petersburg. The video clearly shows that people are walking nearby, but they hardly turned into a murder that is happening before their eyes. This, unfortunately, is common in our modern society, especially in megacities, and is a good indicator of how people relate to each other. It is clear that not everyone will rush to a man with a knife, but anyone can call the police.

Only when a passer-by approached the already fallen Tomilinu, several more people approached him. The woman tried to cover his wounds with her scarf, which is noble, but not effective. That is, not to drag, for example, a limb, but simply to cover it from above. Few people possess the skills of first aid - and how many people could be saved!



At this time, judging by the recordings from the street cameras, the criminal first walked along the avenue, then ran. It didn’t help him - we don’t have so many outdoor cameras as, say, in London, but they can actually take law enforcement officers to the next. It is not known what helped the staff this time - perhaps Dmitry's words to the taxi driver, that he was going to the meeting to sort it out because of the girl. Understood ... But gave a clue to the staff.

For wounded Tomilin:

"According to the Mariinsky hospital, an 4-year-old man was taken from 25 home on Nekrasov Street to intensive care. The doctors diagnosed him with multiple stab wounds to the neck, chest, head and acute blood loss. After 40 minutes, the doctors stated death."

Commentators video write that if Dmitry did not run for the murderer, and immediately turned for help, perhaps he could have been saved, but at that moment Tomilin was most likely in the heat of passion, and he didn’t understand what he was doing. Or did not understand what is happening, which also often happens. Especially if a knife strike is made to the body - then the blow is simply felt. Especially if it happens in the dark and the knife is just not visible. But in this case, he clearly understood that the blows were also in the neck, and the knife was clearly visible. Dmitry, if he didn’t immediately notice the knife, then he saw him exactly.

The murderer just ran away from Dmitry - and what, he did not have blood loss, time is on his side. He could run around and wait until Tomilin himself falls. What practically happened.

So, we will destroy the myths.

1. "A symmetrical knife fight is possible" - that is, two people decided to fight with knives (for example, because of a girl - an excellent reason), and, throwing up each other's gloves, began to take fencing positions. And it started. So? As we see in this typical video - not so!
This knife fight is exactly the same as in the video - this is a sudden attack, perhaps during a conversation, at close range. And the first knife strike is in the neck. And the neck, as you know, is one of the most vulnerable zones - here you and the adygus (enough impact), then you and the carotid artery (enough pressure by suffocation or in another way), then you and fragile cervical vertebrae, etc. In the case of a knife fight, it is enough to strike the neck in the right place, that's all.

We are not in Spain 19-th century. In our reality, knife fighting is when one approaches with a knife in the sleeve at close range, distracting with words, and already there they are trying to suddenly cut or drown. "Zekovskaya" and not dueling manner. From this we must proceed in the training activity. Work out a defense against a surprise attack.

What did Tomilin have to do? First, do not fall for the scenario of the enemy. Surely, this murderer summoned Dmitry to that place (Nekrasov Street), and then he led the street under some pretext, and then suddenly began to strike with a knife. Of course, the investigation will show whether this attack was planned or spontaneous. Although, it still depends on the mind of the suspect, and the presence of his lawyer. So maybe according to the official version, the attack will be declared spontaneous. Although the video seems that the killer had planned everything in advance - by his walk, by the way he stopped at the right moment, and suddenly he began to beat him with a knife. But these are only assumptions.

In any case, Dmitry had to assign his place, and play by his own rules. And it turns out that he was simply lured and taken to the slaughter, like a bull. And if the killer lured him to a deaf place, where ten people would be waiting for him.

Of course, it is not good to talk about a murdered man, but the purpose of this material is to convey to the living that it is impossible to behave this way.

2. "Boxing and barbell is for life!" - as we see, no. Here we have a great example - CCM boxing and bodybuilder. That is, clearly knew which side to approach the bar. Of course, boxing is a great European martial art. Punch from boxing borrowed from many modern martial arts. Boxing is a classic. This is a seemingly simple, but very effective thing. Including effective boxing and for street fights. But - in this case it is not a fight. There are not two guys here that their faces were shattered because of the maids. Here we are talking about street fighting, about hand-to-hand combat. More precisely, attack with cold weapons. And we clearly see in the video that Dmitry missed almost all the blows. Especially the first. He did not even notice him. And why? Where is his boxer reaction? Well, in boxing they do not learn to work against cold arms (or against a stick, against kicks, against fighters, etc.). But there must be a general reaction, especially since he was a candidate for the master of sports? Any person, noticing a movement in his direction - a flying ball or a bottle, dodges (successfully or not, is another question). It is at the level of instincts.

Therefore, secondly, Dmitry needed to go further from the person with whom you came not to drink beer, but to figure it out! That is, Dmitry knew in advance that he came to meet with the enemy, who has a conflict with him. Well, that's if he agreed to play by the rules of the enemy, and went somewhere with him. It was necessary to go not near the wall, but from the side of the roadway, in order to give myself space for action. Moreover, to go a little behind the opponent, so that it was harder to attack. Hands in pockets can not be held in such a situation - it will take time to pull them out, but, as we see, a fraction of a second can solve everything. Having noticed the aggression, it was necessary to run out onto the roadway in order to create a “traffic jam”, so that everyone would pay attention to Dmitriy and the aggressor - and he would hardly like it.

As for the "man - not a man" - there is nothing shameful in the flight. It was possible to meet with the aggressor and then, on equal terms.

Having noticed any movement from the enemy, you need to be as if in a fright, using the start-reflex, throw the palm in his face, so as not to let him come close, and immediately break the distance himself. Or, on the contrary, strike him so that the knife falls out of his weakened hand. All the situation. Good locking kicks on the legs of the enemy.

So, is boxing a bad thing? Not. Just boxing was originally designed for sports fights, and not to repel street attacks with a knife. Another training method, other goals. Well, how to compare the cool hunting rifle and the usual AK. Theoretically, it is possible to fight back with a hunting rifle in a war, but it is much better to use a Kalashnikov for this purpose.

If Dmitry had been sparred with the killer, he would most likely have “worked” for the killer. Although, the aggressor on the video shows a direct kick. Do not be surprised if it turns out that he is engaged in martial arts or martial arts. But in any case, on the street, the criminal quietly killed Dmitry. One may be indignant that this is not according to the rules, but this is a reality. That's life. Are there rules in life?

Therefore, a real hand-to-hand combat (martial art) should be as close to life as possible. What does it mean? This means that in training it is necessary to take into account that everything is possible - and to work on this basis. That conditions may change at any time. What can attack at any time (and with anything). What you can not give the enemy to behave in the rash. We need to learn strategy, tactics, various techniques, and much more.

And most importantly - butt because of the girl? Now, if you ask the killed man - was it worth what he would say? And will this girl really be like the “wife of the Decembrist” to wait for Alexei N. (if he really did) from prison? One is killed, the other, most likely, has broken his life. Because of which?!
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  2. Prosecutor
    Prosecutor 15 February 2016 08: 19
    +9
    The author speaks very abstractly, in cliches. All this is fine: "real hand-to-hand combat". But, firstly, until a person masters the formulation of strikes on the basis of sports, does not develop strength and reaction, a sense of distance in sparring, all these theorizing will remain so, because he cannot really apply it. Secondly, why did the author decide that the kicker was engaged in boxing as a means of self-defense, and not just as a sport for the development of the body? Only professional warriors can turn their whole life into preparation for battle. But I personally think that 95 percent of them in this situation would also have missed these strikes. The criminal inflicts them in such a way that it was impossible not to react, not to block.
    In general, the question is not very simple. The main thing I agree on was that you needed a different place of communication and a line of behavior, but boxing had nothing to do with it. If the victim had worked out the first episode in the head of his opponent, he would not have even known about the knife.
    A matter of tactics and strategy, rather
    1. Chiropractor
      Chiropractor 15 February 2016 11: 28
      +9
      On dismantling without insurance - in general a failure.
      Perhaps the victim’s self-confidence failed - the CCM, the muscular frame, everything ... But the excess of muscles reduces the speed of reaction and movement.
      "To surprise is to win!" Here the killer surprised the victim - he attacked in a crowded place. And "won". Only murder on the toilet is more effective - a person on this subject feels the most protected in the world and relaxes as much as possible.

      Boxing and hand-to-hand training must be taught - but not with the aim of becoming a professional without a doubt earning a living, but at least as a general medical practitioner. Well, no reflexes will work out.
      1. ICT
        ICT 15 February 2016 11: 34
        -1
        1.
        Quote: erased
        With the inflated self-conceit, and therefore neglect of the enemy.



        here is the main answer to all the troubles of such people.


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        And no voltaren and finolgons save.

        the training is the same, but they are also brought down if they forget the point 1
      2. alexqazw
        alexqazw 15 February 2016 14: 45
        +3
        what the hell muscle frame? what does it give? The muscle is the same tender living tissue, it is also easily and painfully pierced by a competent blow. Dissenters can check for themselves. Though pumped in and also easily pierced.
    2. PKK
      PKK 15 February 2016 12: 41
      0
      Put "+" But the author did not reveal the essence of the fight, the first and only thing: you must be faster than the enemy, be in a different temporary state, when you look at him, and he barely toss and turn. 5 boobies unexpectedly tried to break through, but none of them flew, and just a beating machine and after a couple of weeks you are impenetrable and it doesn't matter who is a karate or a boxer in front of you. Only Wing Chun can still do something. Can you write an article here yourself?
      1. alexqazw
        alexqazw 15 February 2016 14: 50
        +4
        then it was an unbroken team, since they could not competently surround. It’s fortunate that you’re fools, otherwise I wouldn’t have written here. And no simulators against competent group tactics will help.
    3. Whitesnow
      Whitesnow 15 February 2016 16: 00
      +1
      Read carefully! CCM what should develop?
  3. dzzen
    dzzen 15 February 2016 08: 28
    21
    The first blow was unexpected for the victim and accentuated in the chest region on the left, possibly in the region of the heart, everything else could only lead to blood loss, but not so strong. This is a premeditated murder for which one must be given for life.
    1. panfil
      panfil 15 February 2016 17: 52
      +4
      In the Russian Criminal Code there is a concept of premeditated murder, not "premeditated". The punishment for premeditated murder (part 1 of article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) is from 6 to 15 years in prison. Life punishment is imposed for murder under aggravated circumstances, paragraphs a, b., C, etc. part 2 of Art. 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
      In my practice, there was a similar case, only with a happy ending and the pitchfork was used as an instrument of crime. The offender hit the opponent on the love front, in the course of the showdown, with a pitchfork in the neck. After the strike, the victim managed to escape with this object in the body. Then he pulled the pitchfork from his neck and lost consciousness. According to the findings of the examination, the wound was penetrating from left to right. You will not believe it, but not one vital organ of the victim was hurt. The victim in the hospital lay for 1 day. The offender was convicted of attempted murder.
      In the situation described by the author, unfortunately the outcome is more sad. Sorry for the guy. I never understood and will not understand those who, because of the wench, can take another life.
  4. King, just king
    King, just king 15 February 2016 08: 55
    13
    Pity the guy!

    In the process, the author himself fought only in the ring or on the tatami. I put everything on the shelves, not knowing not the prehistory of the conflict, about what was going on, bazaar.
    Boxing is an impact technique, the most efficient system on the street. More sambo with a combat section.
    For two years I was mercilessly beaten in the army myself and beat myself - with hand-to-hand fighting, including working with knives and other interesting objects, but it’s good to poke a knife at a friend in training, I looked out of the corner of my eye Badyuk, as he clearly said in the program, that even during training 4 out of 5 are cut with his knife, and he has been doing this all his life!
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 15 February 2016 09: 36
      +8
      Why did he even go to the bazaar.
      I would send tries and all. In this case, I would understand that everything will end in a fight anyway and not in conversations. And I would be ready.
      Street fights are generally best avoided. Especially such as described by the author.
      Article plus.
    2. Stas57
      Stas57 15 February 2016 10: 01
      +5
      Quote: King, just king
      I watched Badyuk out of the corner of my eye, so he clearly said in the program that even when training, they cut 4 from 5 with his knife, and he has been doing this all his life!

      7 from 10, well, not the point)

      and I agree, and for some reason he believes more than any "secret practices of the GRU"
      https://youtu.be/4OIrE-cFFtY?t=357

      this passage
    3. alexqazw
      alexqazw 15 February 2016 14: 58
      0
      Boxing is the most inefficient system on the street. This is from real experience and not from the ring.
      Boxing is a sport and leave it in the gym, otherwise it will be beaten to hell.
      not that he is bad, but I would say he is insufficient.
      1. ICT
        ICT 15 February 2016 16: 01
        +3
        but the delivered blow is all well too
    4. Megatron
      Megatron 16 February 2016 03: 43
      0
      This badyuk is a bag, he only does good PR for fools. You can look for a video about him "without cuts".
  5. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 15 February 2016 09: 08
    +5
    Sad reaction of passers-by and passing cars what , the taxi driver just went around the kid fool , the cultural capital is also stale! what
    1. Chiropractor
      Chiropractor 15 February 2016 11: 34
      +6
      A question of personal safety - more often there is an ordinary drunken fight (it is dark). If you interfere with this, the result is unpredictable. There was an experience - the person beat the girl, the second just stood there, smoked. When, after shouting, I "dropped" the beating person, all three attacked me. The victim received the greatest damage - scratches on her neck (painful, though not dangerous), she stood up for her "love", which just beat her up ...
  6. Penzuck
    Penzuck 15 February 2016 09: 10
    +5
    1. Presumption of innocence. Until the court (!) Proved the opposite.
    2. It is extremely cynical to use this material as a basis for "expert" analysis by the author without the permission of relatives.
    3. And until the investigation is completed, this material is direct pressure on the investigation, court, etc.
    4. The reason for the conflict "because of the girl" - where did you get the idea that the victim is an Angel? I'm not going to justify the murder and denigrate the victim, but bodybuilder + CCM boxer = heavyweight boxer - which means a man with a weapon, and the suspect is a "squishy" and is "probably, probably, apparently" connected with martial arts? And if it was obvious to him that the bumpkin would get him, he took the knife.
    5. "I have a knife in my pocket, you won't take me so easily", "I hit first then it was necessary." - so from the author.
    6. But in fact, violence and so on could have happened over the "girl". etc. and you can wind up depending on the imagination ... there can be jealousy, it can be anything.

    What does it mean? This means that in training, one must take into account that everything is possible - and work on this basis. That conditions may change at any time. What can attack at any moment (and with anything). What can not be given to the enemy to behave on occasion. It is necessary to study both strategy, and tactics, and a variety of techniques, and much more.

    This means that "killers" will be trained in self-defense sections, and in boxing, judo, etc. sections. will train "athletes".
    PS.
    And moreover, let us breed "paranoids". Mr. Yu went to the self-defense section - we wet him from afar. Then, according to the author's opinion, is it necessary to teach people anti-sniper maneuvers and OBD tactics in urban development?
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 15 February 2016 09: 30
      16
      I agree,
      to derive their theories based on hot from life news is already indicative.
      And most importantly - butt because of the girl? Now, if you ask the killed man - was it worth what he would say? And will this girl really be like the “wife of the Decembrist” to wait for Alexei N. (if he really did) from prison? One is killed, the other, most likely, has broken his life. Because of which?!

      That is how you can agree to the fact that - "it was worth rotting in the trench. Defending the Motherland, you died, but she forgot about you."

      no, "dear partner", you would be more careful with such epithets, not knowing all the circumstances of the case.

      ps.
      21 foot
      or six and a half meters (more precisely 6,4 m). That is how much a person, an underlined-trained shooter, needs to react adequately using his CS in case of a sudden attack on him by an enemy armed with a cold steel (knife).
      This is the opinion of the research center for police departments on the topic "knife vs. handgun".
      "A test was conducted among Los Angeles police officers (2003). The experiment involved 85 police officers who were not warned about the experiment (they were all engaged in a training session on a different topic" in the field "), the attacker was a man in" camouflage "with covered with a knife (a very accurate model), which, after approaching the policeman three steps, drew the knife, and shouted: "I will kill you, pig!" tried to "kill" the policeman.
      What came of it:
      - 3 of 85 saw the knife before the moment of contact.
      - 10 of 85 realized that they received several stabs only when the attack had already begun.
      - 72 out of 85 (!) Did not understand at all that they were being attacked with a knife, and after the "battle" they twisted their heads looking at the chalk stripes on their uniforms.
      - the first reaction of the majority was a retreat back, which the "aggressor" immediately compensated for, reducing the distance and continuing the attack.
      - most of the contacts started with a block and elbow and knees in the clinch, 60 fights ended in the stalls.
      - after analyzing the hassles, the author of the experiment came to the conclusion that only 1 (alone!) the policeman was able to effectively defend himself from the attack.
      The last part of the experiment was to grab a weapon and use it as a reaction to a knife attack. The policeman stood with a weapon in a holster (the holsters are closed with a latch or Velcro, open with one hand, a Glock pistol, a cartridge in the chamber), several people passed by him, he did not know which of them had a knife (opponents were trained to use a knife ).
      At a distance of up to 4 meters, no one was able to grab the gun, ahead of the attack.
      At 5 meters, only a few (out of 85) police officers could do this. Terrible statistics for LA police, where the police are traditionally considered the most trained in hand-to-hand combat. "
      For the period from 1900 to 1998, it turns out that law enforcement officers who were attacked by criminals with a knife, this is 30,5% of the total number of attacks. By the way, with firearms: 30,2%, and the remaining "percentage" is "other types of attack."
      These statistics include only cases when officers received either significant injuries or everything ended in death for them.
      Statistics are from 22 on January 1900, when Officer William Rooney, the 30-year-old captain of the Colorado Penitentiary Department, received a stab wound in the heart during a prison escape and later died from his wound.
      And yet, on the little things:
      in the 2004 year, the same research center stated that in 6 of 10 cases, officers who were attacked using a gunshot die. And the statistics for the knife is 8 from 10.
      1. Lekov L
        Lekov L 15 February 2016 11: 37
        +7
        Stas57!
        Thanks for the link to amerikosov.
        I'll send my five kopecks.
        About five years ago, in a neighboring organization (common smoking room), young management rushed to buy "injuries".
        Well, of course all this was widely discussed in the smoking room.
        We, two former Soviet officers and hunters, swallowing smoke in the company of young people, were also interested in listening and talking.
        Then one day I blurted out that on the 5-6 meters a knife, even a folding one against a pistol (trauma) in a holster, especially hidden wearing, wins.
        Inspired by the "legend destroyers" in a series.
        The degree of trust in me as an "expert" in this youth environment has dropped sharply.
        We decided to conduct field tests. On Friday, after work, five interested fools remained.
        The weapon was discharged, all the cartridges were locked in the next room, the click of the combat spring was considered a shot, office rulers were used instead of knives. smile
        Result:
        A pistol (revolver) under a jacket, or even on a belt under a hollow jacket in an open operational holster - a loss of 100% (!) From the first strike with a knife.
        A little "prepared" young man several times (about 4 out of 10) was able to push off the attacker to avoid the second blow. (I insisted on attack - the first to the body, the second to the neck.)
        The second only willing to make a purchase lost and a second blow to the net.
        With a completely free holster once or twice from more than a dozen attacks, the pistolman outstripped, but did not manage to lift the barrel to the end, so that the shot could be either in the leg or next to it.
        Then everything (except for me - I am an expert and a judge, and the old one already) was out of breath, our beer was over and the guy (unprepared) began to press me about which knife is better.
        I sent him .. to the Internet and now he occasionally brags about another Kabar.
        But this is another story.
        Yes, all the rulers were broken, I immediately took the debris, for the second blow to the neck - you understand crying .
        Sincerely.
        1. alexqazw
          alexqazw 15 February 2016 15: 24
          +2
          You can use regular markers. I guarantee all will be striated.
      2. lshka
        lshka 15 February 2016 19: 01
        0
        There are many where it is shown how a couple of macho walk towards each other shouting "yes you are ... yes no you are like that" in the end, one pulls out a knife (pistol) 4-5 steps, a couple of steps - the second is lying, it means not taken out of thin air. ..
    2. alexqazw
      alexqazw 15 February 2016 15: 04
      0
      absolutely right. Judging without knowing all the circumstances of the case is the lot of juvenile maximalists. Could the athlete begin to bull, who knows, it looks like them.
  7. erased
    erased 15 February 2016 10: 07
    +9
    Article was written for likes? A dozen cliches and a slurred call to learn no one RB-full.
    A sudden attack is therefore called so what happens suddenly. U_rod with a knife - a sucker, but a goof decisive and persistent. To hell with blows instead of one or two, but at least managed to collectively remove the enemy. The victim is also a sucker. With the inflated self-conceit, and therefore neglect of the enemy.
    But we have the vast majority - suckers in the battle. And those who are not suckers may well be hit by an unexpected blow. For walking and keeping watch all the time - nerves will burst.
    No "kung fu" will save you from being poked with a blade from zero distance. Here it is not necessary to block, but to keep your distance, if you really understand that the matter is seams. And if you do not understand and are not ready for a drastic change in the situation, then everything, you are in the red.
    In a word, the point is not that someone is able to defend himself against a knife or file, but psychological readiness to abruptly enter a state of battle and then try to use all these karate, judo and judo afterwards.
    This is not taught in sports clubs and in the hyped clubs of "the most real, I swear by my mother, hand-knuckle machine". This is taught (if necessary) in some structures of state paramilitary organizations. Or where knowledgeable instructors are trained privately for a lot of money.

    Well, and as an epilogue - do you know in what form the forearms and lower legs of cadets of these same courses usually arrive? Why are they and why in which? The answer is patam shta, damn it! And no voltaren and finolgons save.
    1. Chiropractor
      Chiropractor 15 February 2016 11: 57
      +1
      Finalgon is a warming ointment, if you freeze, smear yourself, you will dive into a snowdrift to cool. Just kidding. Do not dive - get cold. This is a subjective reaction due to vasodilation. Well, it distracts and anesthetizes manenko.
      Voltaren is a non-narcotic analgesic.

      In short, it smells like an institute of sports injury.
      If you bring cadets to workouts for years that all of them need these drugs (and they are not effective!), Then you simply cripple them ...
      If this is only a short-term course in the course of two to three months, then this is a good training. I have no words. And if from above - then you simply disable the fighters!
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 15 February 2016 19: 31
        +2
        Quote: Kostoprav
        In short, it smells like an institute of sports injury.

        Your opponent apparently owns some version of the melee of the battlefield, which were developed in the USSR. Apparently she teaches it. A distinctive feature of this training is the extreme narrowness of the approach. It is pointless to seriously teach the art of a soldier, who is likely to be torn apart by a shell in the next battle. You need to put a person a few ligaments that can be learned really and applied killer. Everything.
        Since people trained in this way are also "charged" with a specific psychological preparation, which was included, so to speak, "in the package," they are indestructiblely sure that they know everything about combat. The training trap - the fighter must feel like an immortal superman! Belching - he feels like a super warrior, but there is no war. In general, why should he learn something about the means of recovery from injuries? The base did not give anything like that, and if so, then a super-powerful connoisseur of REAL techniques does not need this!
        On this topic. Here your opponent is basically right. Hand-to-hand combat, actually used on the street, has little to do with any kind of sport. Sport is needed, but only as a basis for application. And the battle itself takes place in the space of intentions. The one who is ready to win and is ready to use his base will win. But also wrong. Nerves will not burst. Continued readiness is not an eternal adrenaline storm. This can be learned, and not so much beyond the limits ... but the approach to learning is different here. Not for melee battlefield.
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 15 February 2016 19: 31
        0
        Quote: Kostoprav
        In short, it smells like an institute of sports injury.

        Your opponent apparently owns some version of the melee of the battlefield, which were developed in the USSR. Apparently she teaches it. A distinctive feature of this training is the extreme narrowness of the approach. It is pointless to seriously teach the art of a soldier, who is likely to be torn apart by a shell in the next battle. You need to put a person a few ligaments that can be learned really and applied killer. Everything.
        Since people trained in this way are also "charged" with a specific psychological preparation, which was included, so to speak, "in the package," they are indestructiblely sure that they know everything about combat. The training trap - the fighter must feel like an immortal superman! Belching - he feels like a super warrior, but there is no war. In general, why should he learn something about the means of recovery from injuries? The base did not give anything like that, and if so, then a super-powerful connoisseur of REAL techniques does not need this!
        On this topic. Here your opponent is basically right. Hand-to-hand combat, actually used on the street, has little to do with any kind of sport. Sport is needed, but only as a basis for application. And the battle itself takes place in the space of intentions. The one who is ready to win and is ready to use his base will win. But also wrong. Nerves will not burst. Continued readiness is not an eternal adrenaline storm. This can be learned, and not so much beyond the limits ... but the approach to learning is different here. Not for melee battlefield.
  8. Nazaroff
    Nazaroff 15 February 2016 10: 56
    +1
    Sadly, such videos should be carefully analyzed and the training process based on this. And sometimes you watch / listen to all sorts of masters who show such nonsense and say ... The author of the article has largely laid out everything correctly, with regards to myths. I personally agree with him. PS Some - in the grave, another - on the bunk, the vagina mistress - lives on and continues to enjoy life ...
  9. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 15 February 2016 11: 19
    0
    I’m essentially about the incident: was there any reason for one to die and another to destroy life. Stupid because of a woman.
    1. ICT
      ICT 15 February 2016 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      Stupid because of a woman.


      there is an opinion lol
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 16 February 2016 05: 32
      +1
      And if this "woman" is your (or your brother's, friend's) wife, sister, daughter, niece, or at least a neighbor on the "staircase"?
      1. ICT
        ICT 16 February 2016 19: 49
        0
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        And if this "woman" is your


        Well, something like that or something (well, in general it’s folklore --- i.e., popular wisdom)

  10. Glot
    Glot 15 February 2016 12: 40
    0
    I'm sorry for the guy.
    And the freak that began to beat out of the subtle with a knife ... he does not value life, a stranger and even his campaign. simply. And now these have been applauded by darkness. Everyone goes with knives, and all of them, in any conflict, are put to use ... He would have to give him at least a quarter so that he would have already left the wreck that was dying. But no, they’ll give you five years, and then, in about three years, it will be released under parole or amnesty. And he himself probably perfectly understands this. That’s why it’s easy to use the knife. In general, what can I say ...
    1. serpimolot
      serpimolot 16 February 2016 23: 44
      0
      Yes H.Z. Are you sorry for the guy? Apparently the offended husband piled his wife's lover.
      Who is there to regret?
  11. brn521
    brn521 15 February 2016 13: 20
    +2
    Judging by the video, a pocket firearm would normally work here. At least, the possible meaning of snub-nosed revolvers with a hidden trigger becomes clear - nothing will interfere with the operation of mechanisms when firing directly from your pocket. The very presence of a weapon in your pocket allows you to keep it in combat readiness without causing excessive nervousness to others.
    1. the villain
      the villain 15 February 2016 20: 34
      +1
      Quote: brn521
      Finding weapons in your pocket

      According to our law on weapons is illegal. Even for transportation will not work. The trunk itself is never a panacea, in order to effectively apply it, too, the skills to train need. hi

      PS With the fact that it’s better to condemn 12 than to bear 6 I agree 100% hi
    2. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO 15 February 2016 20: 56
      +3
      A taurus 32-caliber revolver with a 2-inch barrel I carry around in Argentina often, once helped, without firing a shot, to avoid a robbery in 12 days on a busy street of three types with a knife on a buenos aires street. As if their technique is to press the victim against the wall, they remain with their backs to the traffic, so neither the passers-by nor the police see their weapons, but the victim helps them in this, trying to cuddle against the wall, being afraid of a blow to the back. From the side, it’s like three or four friends are talking, only then one slides down the wall, and the rest diverge on all four sides.
      Therefore, having done exactly the opposite, what they wanted from me, i.e. step towards the roadway, while taking the revolver to the levels of the abdomen, so that it would not attract anyone's attention .... In general, the situation is such that three pissed from fear stood against the wall .... But when I saw that I wasn’t shooting, I do not call the police, they are trotted, lined up in a chain, washed off ...
      As if in Argentina, when you get permission to buy weapons, you go through different tests (repeated every four years), you are reminded every time that you cannot perform the functions of the police, i.e. weapons for self-defense only.
      I understand that this story is not entirely in the subject, the killer is here, I have robbers ... The robber looks at you as the carrier of HIS money, so he is looking at you from afar, appreciative, like: how much does it go in my wallet. ... the main thing here is not to miss this look ....
  12. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 15 February 2016 13: 27
    +3
    The media did not report that he was a boxing CCM. Although one Internet site says this. But I doubt it. This is bullshit. He didn’t act like a boxer on the video. But the dead are either good or nothing. From a knife and a boxer it is better to make legs or find a stick. The risky option is another knife. But this is 50 to 50. Probably any boxer knows about it. But not a boxer may not know. He is not a boxer.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 February 2016 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: Falcon5555
      Probably any boxer knows about this.

      I can not vouch for anyone, but of course with a bare heel on a bare saber ...
      Personally, it was very instructive for me to work (in sparring) against a man who was slightly taught to hold onto a knife. That's when I realized that in spite of my judo / karate / boxing + something I have read and trained with friends, I need to stay away from the knife the farther the healthier.
      Those. if a person does not know anything about martial arts, or about a knife (just aggressive), then there is some minimal chance, but even in this case you should go out against a knife with bare hands only when there is no way out at all. Absolutely NOTHING. Well, there - you protect your wife, or a child, and you can’t run away, somehow. And if this happened - then first of all to look at improvised items (stone, stick, chair, but whatever), because without them it would be very bad.
      1. Falcon5555
        Falcon5555 15 February 2016 23: 49
        +1
        Those. if a person does not know anything about martial arts, or about a knife (just aggressive), then there is some minimal chance, but even in this case you should go out against a knife with bare hands only when there is no way out at all.

        I agree. No karate is guaranteed. You can, of course, try to portray something with your feet or grasping your hands with dislocations, but this will go away if you have recently and well trained, and you are very lucky in something else, for example, in that your opponent will be very out of shape and will give you hand with a knife, or put his head under attack, something like that.
  13. user3970
    user3970 15 February 2016 14: 27
    +3
    By the way, I remembered from the sensational cases ... A fight in Vladik, where trauma was "successfully" applied on one side, and the other side turned out to be the reigning champion in fights without rules. The result of the fight - the instigator with an injury is a corpse, and the champion with a bullet in the head is half-disabled and under investigation. And the second is almost a mirror case. In Moscow . A fight, also because of a girl. On the one hand, he is also a champion of Russia in fighting without rules of Caucasian nationality (remind me of his last name), on the other hand, he is a Moscow one, a failed policeman who was expelled from the school on a criminal basis. And this Moscow one, more than 180 cm tall with the same shnikov, tried to squeeze the girl away from a Caucasian with a height of 160 with a cap, on whose forehead it was not written that he was a champion. The result of a fight - in the morgue, the champion in prison., Now released. Then many wrote about this cattle with boiling water. Muscovites are generally tolerant people, the heifer must protect herself. Even if this chick is your wife or daughter.
    1. Glot
      Glot 15 February 2016 16: 31
      +2
      On the one hand, he is also the champion of Russia in fights without the rules of Caucasian nationality (recall your last name), on the other, a Moscow, failed policeman, who was kicked out of school by a criminal offense. And this Moscow one, with a height of more than 180 cm with the same shniki, tried to squeeze a Caucasian girl with a height of 160 with a cap on whose forehead it was not written that he was a champion. The result of the fight was in the morgue, the champion was in prison. Then many wrote about this cattle with boiling water.


      Mirzoev seems his last name was.
      Nobody here on the student "did not write with boiling water", however, and on Mirzoev too. They even sympathized with him more than the student.
      But it’s really difficult to say how and what happened there. Personally, I have not seen, but rumors ... this is not the most reliable source. One obviously showed off, the other smacked in response. No luck, both ...
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 16 February 2016 04: 02
      +1
      Then many wrote about this cattle with boiling water.


      I can’t even say which of this trinity is most disgusting to me:

      - the son of a cop, with cattle-gangster manners, to whom everything is allowed
      - Caucasian, as always another fighter, fighter, not a scientist or a teacher, "masked kaneshna"
      - a girl of not at all heavy behavior, confused with a Caucasian.
  14. Supervodka
    Supervodka 15 February 2016 14: 54
    0
    HOW DOESN'T IT LIKE YOURSELF ??? Yes, he could not even imagine that THIS would attack with a knife in the city center !!! This is a broken dumbass, just one in a million.
    1. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO 15 February 2016 21: 02
      +1
      With a knife, in broad daylight, they rob, rob and will rob, everywhere. Country and city do not matter. So take it easy with the "repulsed dumbass"
  15. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 15 February 2016 14: 54
    +5
    As a major international Internet expert in all areas, I allow myself to give valuable advice to aspiring knife fight expert dreamers.
    If you find out that "your" girl is walking in parallel with another (others) - immediately throw her. She will always walk, before, after and even during the wedding. You will not make any good with her and you will not see happiness in your personal life. But you can run into a close-minded and aggressive “opponent” very easily, with an unpredictable ending. And the CCM in boxing, as you can see, is also not immune from this.
    For some reason I don't see internet dreamers - "But if he had a short-barrel ...", ay, where are you? Although here the comrade above has already figured out that this does not help.
    1. Georgey
      Georgey 15 February 2016 17: 01
      +1
      Absolutely true!
    2. serpimolot
      serpimolot 16 February 2016 23: 51
      -1
      Along the way, in this case, we observe what happens to the lover of such a girl. And we learn about the fate of the unbalanced husband from the judicial news.
      One died, another 12 years old.
      A wet sponge will enjoy life
  16. polk-66
    polk-66 15 February 2016 15: 43
    +1
    Quote: Stas57
    Quote: King, just king
    I watched Badyuk out of the corner of my eye, so he clearly said in the program that even when training, they cut 4 from 5 with his knife, and he has been doing this all his life!

    7 from 10, well, not the point)

    and I agree, and for some reason he believes more than any "secret practices of the GRU"
    https://youtu.be/4OIrE-cFFtY?t=357

    this passage

    Something like this, Baduk Sergey Nikolaevich
    Born July 3, 1970 in the Shargorod district of Vinnitsa region (Ukraine).

    He graduated from the KGB Higher School (1990-1995),

    In 1988-1997 - service in GRU and the FSB of Russia.
    1. Glot
      Glot 15 February 2016 16: 13
      0
      Something like this, Baduk Sergey Nikolaevich
      Born July 3, 1970 in the Shargorod district of Vinnitsa region (Ukraine).

      He graduated from the KGB Higher School (1990-1995),

      In 1988-1997 - Service in the GRU and the FSB of Russia.


      There are different opinions on it ... smile

      http://sportwiki.to/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%8
      E% D0% BA
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 16 February 2016 03: 59
        +1


        Very precisely about the viper.
        The GRU and the FSB do not even smell of anything there. The usual zapadensky hahol, only cunning and media.
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    3. Stas57
      Stas57 15 February 2016 16: 38
      +1
      I clearly indicated "secret practices of the GRU"
      as well as "secret methods of the CIA", "hidden knowledge of the monks of Tibet" and other crap with rent, etc.
  17. chenia
    chenia 15 February 2016 16: 24
    +2
    Quote: Falcon5555
    . But I doubt it. This is bullshit. He did not behave like a boxer on video. But the dead are either good or nothing. From a knife and a boxer it is better to make legs or find a stick


    I agree. It was clearly not a boxer. There is not one purely reflex movement. Already from the first discharge and higher, muscle memory begins to work earlier than you realize what happened.
  18. Letterksi
    Letterksi 15 February 2016 16: 27
    +4
    In the post-Soviet space, one cannot defend oneself. This was laid down in the Criminal Code at the beginning of the 20th century. An article about the excess of self-defense, and no walks in the wild.

    In general, the author gave simple and practical advice. It’s better to look silly, keeping a distance with your opponent, than wallowing then groaning on the road, covering the holes in the stomach with a scarf. It is quite possible that this young man with a knife Dmitry is not the first victim. He wielded a knife quite confidently
  19. I doubt it
    I doubt it 15 February 2016 17: 15
    -1
    1. The degradation of the state inevitably leads to the degradation of society.
    2. In a normal state, a person should not defend himself. He "delegated" this function to the state.
    3. For decades, society has been educated on a "criminal wave".
    "So somebody needs it."
  20. Riv
    Riv 15 February 2016 17: 29
    +5
    Once I got a very good lesson from life. This is not uncommon, you just need to be able to draw conclusions. Situation: I leave the store. The door opens outward. I push the door, go out. Hands are free. Suddenly, a clearly inadequate grandmother breaks towards me, shoves me off and puts her elbow in the sunny. BLOW PASSED. A sufficiently trained, 90-kilogram man (I’m not afraid of the word) was beaten by a crazy old woman. If she had more than five times more strength, I would have gone for a knockout. If she had a knife, she could have put a sleeper.

    Moral: no one is safe from inadequacy. This is just an accident. You can’t be prepared for ALL contingencies.

    Second case. I just left a beloved woman. Not my fault. Divorce, stress ... But I did not give up training. In the evening, after a workout, we go along with a friend along the street, with bags, are about to drink beer. We go past the entrance of a residential building. There's some guy with a shovel raking a car. Nearby runs his dog, something between a boolean and a mongrel. The dogoid apparently scared me and decided to tug on my leg. He pulled. For berets. He didn’t bite and flew five meters away from the kick with a screech, into a snowdrift. A man on me with a shovel, type: do not touch the dog. Well, I'm at a distance, angry at the whole world, and here is such a reason! Plus, the reflex also works: I reduce the distance to a minimum so that the shovel is useless. The man went elbow in the head. My acquaintance intercepted my elbow (sixth kyu, knows how), dragged me away. A man stands and shakes (came!), The dog barks, gets a second kick.

    Moral: you can very well provoke an inadequate, obviously excessive reaction yourself. A stranger with whom you communicate in high tones may have a nervous breakdown. You yourself run into the role of a lightning rod. The person will then regret what has been done, but you will not care anymore.
    1. brn521
      brn521 15 February 2016 18: 31
      0
      Quote: Riv
      Moral: you can very well provoke an inadequate, obviously excessive reaction yourself.

      In the described case, the reaction is quite adequate. I did a good job. This is your berets, and even a small mongrel can bite some Achilles aunt.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 15 February 2016 19: 45
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      Suddenly, a clearly inadequate grandmother breaks towards me, shoves me off and puts her elbow in the sunny. BLOW PASSED. Sufficiently trained, 90-kilogram man (I’m not afraid of this word) was beaten by crazy old woman

      You have learned to beat all your life. And so that such things do not pass, one must learn to walk. Walk, stand, watch and see. The Chinese say (I don't really respect their BI, and the Chinese themselves ... but they have smart people, you can't take that away) "the streets are full of masters."
      That is, the master, this is the one who is not visible. Not noticeable. He passed, and nothing happened. The fight didn’t happen, he didn’t fall, didn’t stumble on anyone, didn’t get into an ambiguous situation, was far from everyone and all kinds of inadequacies ... This is the goal of training. But not overwhelming blows and epic battles. It is difficult to understand and accept, especially an athlete with experience. Understand that the athlete and the master are almost the opposite in meaning. But it's worth it ...
      1. Riv
        Riv 16 February 2016 08: 11
        0
        The original proverb sounds a little different: "In every village with ten households, there is at least one worthy person." But that's not the point. Even if you are Bruce Lee, you cannot be ready for everything and foresee all the dangers in general. It's no use even trying. Otherwise, it will come to the point that a person will begin to study voodoo. Well, so as not to accidentally become a zombie. :)

        And so any person is dangerous, by definition. And any dog, wolf, hedgehog ... You can’t eliminate the risk at all. You can only be careful to act on the situation.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 16 February 2016 20: 38
          0
          Quote: Riv
          The original proverb sounds a little different: “In every village with ten households there is at least one worthy person.

          These are different proverbs. China is big, and there were many people said there. A master is not necessarily a worthy person. Alas, it comes across and frank ... that. Difficult in a nutshell ...
          In general, you see readiness as a sports fighter - adrenaline is buzzing in the veins, soda is in your hands, eyes are buzzing ... there you go. Therefore, readiness looks like this - a person is calm, relaxed, does not turn his head, does not fumble with his eyes.
          But when it does, then on the one hand, as a rule, a wall, or free space. This is aimed at the other ... damn ... in general, do not shake the muscle so that you are not pushed. The first lead-up exercise I was introduced to for starters is this. The elder brought me to the bus station and says - well, come to the ticket office, but so as not to touch anyone. Neither with my body, nor even with my clothes. And there is a crowd, oh.
          I started out in the style of today's creative (brainless) - it can scream something like "FIRE !!" to run away? Received a little on the neck and instruction - they are standing with a stake, and go with a stake, and you come on gently, cleverly ... It turned out that in any crowd you can go with the wind.
          Then there were a lot of things. The result (I did not reach) - you simply do not see the trouble. Bypass you, and you them. It is possible, and it is not at all necessary to repulse all the stones. You just make sure that nobody throws anything at you.
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  22. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 15 February 2016 19: 59
    +1
    The author presses on emotions. The video shows enough to understand that in such a situation, 10 and 9, even if not the extravagants, will react. Street dredge, this is not sparring in the ring.
    Py.Sy. There was not so long ago an article about Libre Fighting, the Mexican knife fighting school that grew up in their prison skirmishes. The author of the article clearly did not read it. But this is so, by the way, there is enough material.
    Py.Sy.Sy. Talk about the fact that it’s worth going to understand because of a girl .. Listen. how are you .. and if it will be your daughter? And if it will be your wife? And if it will be your sister? And if you just consider yourself a man?
  23. stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO 15 February 2016 20: 20
    +2
    * No "kung fu" will save you from being poked with a blade from zero distance. Here you don't need to block, but keep your distance ... *
    * In short, the point is not that someone is able to defend himself against a knife or file, but psychological readiness to abruptly enter a state of battle and then try to use all these karate, judo and judo afterwards. *
    I liked it.
  24. lexx2038
    lexx2038 15 February 2016 20: 30
    +4
    The dude specifically went to kill, chose a weapon, probably rehearsed, the victim approached this matter frivolously, apparently hoping that because of this they did not kill, they would stuff each other's noses at most, because he was not alert enough and could not react. The assassin has exploited all the strengths of an unexpected, insidious attack that is difficult to repel even if you are on the watch and a super pro. One turned out to be a beast, the second a frivolous simpleton, but such is life, and you can guess it.
  25. King, just king
    King, just king 15 February 2016 21: 19
    +2
    Quote: erased
    But we have the vast majority - suckers in the battle. And those who are not suckers may well be hit by an unexpected blow. For walking and keeping watch all the time - nerves will burst.


    I came from the army in 89th. AND ALWAYS FROM THIS TIME in the company of strangers or if the company has a stranger (s) I try to figure out what will happen and how it will be in a collision. Regardless of the place and time. When I am walking along the street, ESPECIALLY when I am walking with my wife - I carefully examine the approaching people, I am wondering what and how to deal with the collision, I try to get around any group more than 3. I never go on foot, only by taxi. I have ALWAYS been carrying compound nunchucks with me for many years on a walk, or if I’m lightly dressed — a folding knife — which I will use in bad situations. For only fools fight with their hands.
    THIS is probably common truth, but I try to comply with them. Since 89, despite these rules, I've been in trouble 10 times with different endings. Weight from the army demobilization in 89 is practically the same 98, height 189, little fat, enough knowledge for a fight, I can fall into the so-called "fighting frenzy" (from the army).
    And nitsche, the nerves did not burst ....
  26. Gr. Engineer
    Gr. Engineer 15 February 2016 23: 49
    +1
    The city is a dangerous place as it is difficult to keep your distance. One should try to notice inadequate people in advance. Do not chat on the phone. Do not stand out from the crowd, so as not to attract attention to yourself, but always keep an eye on others yourself. If you are not hunted on purpose, and this is true for 99 people out of one hundred thousand, then the main threat is inadequate or spontaneous criminals, robbers and hooligans. The number of inadequate people grows on holidays of mass celebrations with a national or "patriotic" background. In short: watch yourself and be careful.
  27. Cat man null
    Cat man null 16 February 2016 00: 01
    -1
    The article is nonsense of the amateur .. for some reason he needs a neck for a knife ..

    Vasya, for a knife in a normal hand - there are many right places .. you can’t close everyone from ..

    I won’t go further - personal experience .. funny .. it’s on the street, in Russia, in 90 .. nafik-nafik laughing
  28. serpimolot
    serpimolot 16 February 2016 23: 31
    +1
    I read the article. I read kamenty. And even specially registered to write.
    (a) In the video, one emotionally unbalanced stupid person cuts another inept fat man.
    (b) Both demonstrate the level of quarrels of drunks, where one is with a kitchen knife, and the second without. (EPRST, all that a dude had to do with a knife was to hit the fat man on the bottom right under the ribs in the liver, quickly and imperceptibly, turn around and leave, and he attacked him like a brutal cock)
    (c) In the course, the fat man broke the family life of the skinny owner of a kitchen knife. What led him into a frenzy. And he got what he deserved. Skinny will receive his according to the results of the trial.
    (d) What does this have to do with self-defense? Yes, no. Nothing that EVERY resident of Kupchin knows from childhood, the author did not write.
    For that he published a video around the country with the name of the deceased. What for? To mock?
  29. russki1972
    russki1972 4 May 2016 04: 52
    +1
    And for me it’s so very simple. The CCM was so self-confident (boxing, pitching. Acquaintances, etc.) that he did not think that he could really be kicked. He simply was not ready for such resistance, he probably did not grow up in those areas where you need to be ready on the street for such a development of events. It often happens that a FIRST strike matters in a fight. It was recalled - God created people strong and weak, and Colt fired his revolver to equalize their chances. If you are stronger then you need to expect that the one who is weaker, or just crazy, will pull out the equalizer and everything will go wrong.