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Hot breath of the ground operation of the "friends" of Syria. Saudis transfer troops and planes to Incirlik base (Turkey)

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Major news agencies report that Saudi Arabia is deploying troops and several fighters to the Incirlik military base in Turkey. In particular, the fact of the transfer of Saudi troops to Turkish territory to prepare for the invasion of Syria writes British The Independent with reference to the statement of the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Turkey Mevlut Cavusoglu.


Hot breath of the ground operation of the "friends" of Syria. Saudis transfer troops and planes to Incirlik base (Turkey)


And the statements of the Turkish Minister:
Saudi Arabia intends to resolutely fight Daesh (ISIL). She points to the willingness to send to participate in the operation (in Syria) not only airplanes, but also their troops. Together with Saudi partners, we emphasize the need to follow a unified strategy to combat ISIS. If this strategy appears in the near future, then Turkey, together with Saudi Arabia, will begin a ground operation.


At the same time, according to Cavusoglu, at the moment there is no unified strategy for the two countries about the start of the ground operation in Syria. The Turkish Foreign Minister said that Ankara and Riyadh "are on the path of agreeing to clean up the territory (Syria) of ISIL militants by coalition forces from 65 states." All the states of this “coalition” Cavusoglu did not list.

It is necessary to add that today the head of the State Department, John Kerry, threatened the Syrian president with the start of a ground operation. Words John Kerry publishes Reuters (transfer RIA News):

If Assad does not fulfill his commitments, and the Iranians and Russians do not force him to do what they promised (and what did they “promise” to whom?), The members of the world community will certainly not sit like boobies and just watch this. In case of failure of the peace negotiations plan, the likelihood of sending ground forces to Syria is high.


With these words, Kerry actually revealed the maps of Ankara and Riyadh regarding who the land forces of the “coalition” in Syria will conduct military operations if they cross its borders. And the opponent of these troops will certainly not LIH ...
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  1. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 13 February 2016 16: 04
    80
    Apparently the words of Vanga: "Syria has not yet fallen" - may indeed be prophetic.
    1. seti
      seti 13 February 2016 16: 08
      23
      These interventionists in Syria will find their grave. They know this, so there will probably be no intrusion. And if urine hits Erdogan again in the head and he kicks something out of the ordinary, then the Syrian army will take care of calming his soldiers.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 13 February 2016 16: 09
        64
        Indeed very similar to the preparation of the Nazi invasion! Pulling together a large number of troops to the border), provocations, information propaganda. And not taking it seriously is dangerous!
        USA and Coals crave blood!
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 February 2016 16: 17
          47
          The smell of war was very strong, there was nothing good in it, and the Americans were pushing all of them to this otherwise they would have a kayuk with their debts, only war would save them.
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 13 February 2016 21: 07
            +7
            Camels play with fire
        2. Inok10
          Inok10 13 February 2016 16: 22
          35
          Quote: Baikonur
          Indeed very similar to the preparation of the Nazi invasion! Pulling together a large number of troops to the border),

          ... the kids just can not accept the loss of investment in Daesh ... and my opinion they will climb here in the Euphrates Valley ... breaking Syria into three parts ... and separating the Syrian Kurds from Assad ... trying to form a Sunite the state is under its control ... judging by the statements, diplomacy has ended ... the thirst for a direct pipe to Turkey and then Europe is stronger ... let's see what happens to them, I won’t be surprised at the sudden uprising in the Shiites ... then the Saudis have business will be completely seam ... a war on three fronts ... Syria, Yemen and internal unrest ... we will see ... hi
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 13 February 2016 16: 28
            17

            It’s not for nothing that our missile ships are moving closer to the Syrian shores.


            1. gispanec
              gispanec 13 February 2016 17: 33
              -18 qualifying.
              [quote = bulvas] It is not for nothing that our missile ships are moving closer to the Syrian shores

              excuse me what ???
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 13 February 2016 17: 48
                0
                Quote: gispanec
                excuse me what ???


                "Green Valley"
                1. gispanec
                  gispanec 13 February 2016 18: 38
                  -2
                  Quote: dvina71
                  "Green Valley"

                  it's rockets ships ?? or one RTO ?? ... Kovrovets well, not at all rocket ...
                  1. donavi49
                    donavi49 13 February 2016 18: 44
                    15
                    Zeleny Dol is an MRK with UKKS-8 for 8 calibers.
                    Kovrovets tralets, for the protection of Tartus / Varangian, apparently they seriously consider the threat of mining and congress, they say they themselves ran into a mine posed by Mussolini !!!
                2. demo
                  demo 13 February 2016 19: 20
                  +1
                  And the minesweeper "Kovrovets"
                3. gispanec
                  gispanec 13 February 2016 21: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: bulvas
                  Not in vain our rocket ships throw closer to the Syrian coast

                  so anyway WHAT ??? this word implies more than one .... practically a river, missile (small) ship (less than 1000 tons) ... without a plane .. air defense ... from only 8 KR .. will this cool Erdogan ?? ... funny ... here’s the second MTSC there is more needed there, but better a couple of Warsaw ..... we continue to minus with foam at the mouth ... because there’s nothing to justify ... 1 it’s NOT ROCKET SHIPS !!
              2. Dalmatia
                Dalmatia 13 February 2016 17: 50
                +1
                Zeleny Dol and Kovrovets
                1. donavi49
                  donavi49 13 February 2016 17: 55
                  32
                  Kovrovets MTSC. He’s more likely there, to protect the Varangian and the base, then Turkish submarines can put mines, and then prove that it’s the Turks, and not Hitler and Mussolini.

                  By the way, sending MTSCs speaks about the seriousness of the situation much more than the Green Dol.
                  1. Dalmatia
                    Dalmatia 13 February 2016 17: 59
                    +2
                    What does MTSC mean? thank
                    1. donavi49
                      donavi49 13 February 2016 18: 00
                      16
                      Sea minesweeper. He has mine weapons, trawls, detection systems, etc. He cannot do anything else, only provide passages in minefields, mine himself, and protect the water area of ​​the port / squadron from mine installations.
                      1. Dalmatia
                        Dalmatia 13 February 2016 18: 11
                        +9
                        Thank you very much. I get it. In other words, it is likely that the Turks will mine.
                      2. Mera joota
                        Mera joota 13 February 2016 19: 24
                        -14 qualifying.
                        If the Turks are going to mine, then there will be no sense from One Kovrovts. Not only does it require a much larger detachment of forces to carry out demining activities, Kovrovets is not able to work against modern sea mines even in his own water area, not to mention an unfamiliar place. All this amusing flotilla can cause nothing more than laughter. They sent "at least something" in order to depict our next "answer to Chamberlain" ...
                      3. PSih2097
                        PSih2097 13 February 2016 19: 44
                        +6
                        Quote: Mera Joota
                        If the Turks will mine, then there will be no sense from One Kovrovtsa.

                        there will be enough of one of a pair of RTOs of project 1239, they will pass at full speed, all that is activated ...
                      4. Mera joota
                        Mera joota 14 February 2016 06: 52
                        -5
                        Quote: PSih2097
                        there will be enough of one of a pair of RTOs of project 1239, they will pass at full speed, all that is activated ...

                        Take care of your hats, and then freeze your brains.
                        It will be a miracle if Samum or Bora can get out (independently) into the Mediterranean Sea ...
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                3. Dalmatia
                  Dalmatia 13 February 2016 18: 16
                  0
                  Tell me, if Turkey and the SA really invade Syria, how should Russia act?
                4. aksakal
                  aksakal 13 February 2016 18: 59
                  +3
                  Quote: Dalmatia
                  Tell me, if Turkey and the SA really invade Syria, how should Russia act?
                  - try not to fight yourself. The Turks and the Saudis are also not eager to fight the most powerful nuclear power in the world, so at first they will fly around Khmeimim in the tenth outskirts and ignore Russian planes (although some provocations are not ruled out). At this stage, try to exert diplomatic pressure and at the same time increase the supply of modern weapons to the Assad Army and the Kurds. Moreover, in addition to the standard "Cornets" and "Arrows", the Kurds can be supplied with heavy weapons - then the Turks will not seem a little ... And look at the Persians. And Assad has a lot of air defense.
                  If the Persians give the cannon fodder as much as is necessary for a convincing fight, then you can fit into the same conditions as now, only planes more than three times and missile strikes in Turkey more than ten times. Attacks on Turkey’s strategic targets, infrastructure, command posts, and especially airfields. Tie up air battles. Turkey and Saudi Arabia need to be deprived of the fleet, without which the Persians and the Syrians would lose.
                  If the Persians do not fit, which is unlikely, because then Iran will lose all its influence on the BV and the Shiite massacre will begin - to leave Syria. Provide Assad (most likely, he will die there in the battles, man after all), his family asylum and focus on diplomatic efforts to settle post-Assad Syria.
                5. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 13 February 2016 20: 02
                  12
                  try not to fight by ourselves.


                  Come on! How. It is clear that during an invasion, there is no way to avoid clashes with the Russian Armed Forces. So far this is a method of pressure on Russia, on Iran, on Assad. Nobody knows how events will develop. In theory, Russia should be shown the concentration of strike groups, and not "diplomatic activity", but Iran, the mobilization of ground forces. It's like playing cards, who will be revealed first ...
                6. Talgat
                  Talgat 13 February 2016 20: 22
                  -1
                  Quote: aksakal
                  If the Persians do not fit, which is unlikely, because then Iran will lose everything


                  I’m also sure that if anything, Iran is under attack first of all. This is their war in the first place, and only then Russia. Russia in fact there defends Iran - and then Gazprom and the pipes.
                7. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 13 February 2016 21: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: Asadullah
                  and Iran, the mobilization of ground forces.

                  Russia has already sent S-300 complexes to the Persians!

                  ".. As it became known from reliable sources, almost all S-300 systems have been removed from combat duty and replaced with more modern S-400. Currently, all of them are urgently deployed to Iran." ... A likely scenario is the blocking of Hormuz by Iran. the strait, and then the rapid disposal of the oil rigs of the Saudis.
                  The current situation has pushed the price of black gold up today. February futures on stock markets (i.e. stocks to buy oil) rose 1,96% to $ 37,77 per barrel. On the London Stock Exchange, the rate increased by 3,3%. With the escalation of the conflict, oil prices can quickly win back.
                  In such a situation, Russia needs a "golden" pause, precisely adjusted in time and development of events. The situation is clearly reaching a new level - the region is ready to fight for real, without any newfangled "hybrid" wars. The conflict between the KSA and Iran is no longer called interstate, but interreligious, Sunni-Shiite. And it is categorically not worth it for Russia to get involved in it on the side of the Shiite world directly.
                8. atalef
                  atalef 13 February 2016 21: 44
                  -4
                  Quote: kapitan92
                  The current situation has pushed the price of "black gold" up today. February futures on stock markets (i.e. stocks to buy oil) rose by 1,96%, to $ 37,77 per barrel. On the London Stock Exchange, the rate increased by 3,3%.

                  Seriously ? belay
                9. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 13 February 2016 22: 09
                  +8
                  Brent 32.63 32.66 +1.51 +4.85 01:59:56
                  Light 29.11 29.14 +1.84 +6.75 01:00:00
                  This is the trading data on 12.02.14. 4.85%, 6.75%. The process has gone!
                10. atalef
                  atalef 14 February 2016 08: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: kapitan92
                  The current situation has pushed the price of "black gold" up today. February futures on stock markets (i.e. stocks to buy oil) rose by 1,96%, to $ 37,77 per barrel. On the London Stock Exchange, the rate increased by 3,3%.

                  Seriously ? belay

                  Quote: kapitan92
                  Brent 32.63 32.66 +1.51 +4.85 01:59:56
                  Light 29.11 29.14 +1.84 +6.75 01:00:00
                  This is the trading data on 12.02.14. 4.85%, 6.75%. The process has gone!

                  And where is 37 per barrel?
                11. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 14 February 2016 10: 36
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  And where is 37 per barrel?

                  He brought the trading data on 12.02. 2016 !!!
                  You need to explain what futures are or google yourself!
                12. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 14 February 2016 20: 08
                  +4
                  Oil continues to rise in price 12.02.16/14.47/38,01 The cost of February futures for WTI already exceeds the price of similar contracts for Brent. (Bloomberg). So, the February futures for Brent crude on the London ICE Futures exchange by 38,34 Moscow time were trading at XNUMX dollars per barrel. At the same time, the cost of February futures for WTI in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) was $ XNUMX per barrel. (Interfax.)
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 14 February 2016 07: 22
            -2
            Seriously ? belay
            I really thought you were serving a fan, but you ........ who is not even serious smile
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      2. Xergey
        Xergey 14 February 2016 09: 05
        0
        I agree with Asadullah 100% no one knows what will happen, apparently neither the Turks nor the Saudis themselves are still in the know what to do next.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 13 February 2016 21: 17
      +8
      "........ Besides the standard" Cornets "and" Arrows ", the Kurds can be supplied with heavy weapons - then the Turks will not seem a little" ......
      Excuse me, but to whom of the Kurds do you recommend supplying heavy weapons? "....... The political organizations of the Syrian Kurds are divided on many issues, including the problem of foreign intervention. Kurdish National Congress (KNK), Syrian National Council (SNC), Kurdish National Council (KNC), Union of Kurdish Democratic Forces (SKDS), Democratic Union Party (PDU). There is no common agreement between these blocs and other Kurdish political forces. Some of them are under the influence of Iraq, others are under the influence of Turkey, and the third are like-minded people of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), led by A. Ocalan . "......
      So which of these parties? The Kurds themselves cannot understand each other, there is no single power and program of action, each party has its own armed forces.
      It is necessary to help, but who will give a guarantee that the delivered weapons will not be used against the ATS, the IRGC and Russia?
    3. Dalmatia
      Dalmatia 13 February 2016 21: 46
      0
      aksakal, thanks for the answer.
      And yet, in February in Syria strong winds begin in the desert, and how to fight in this weather?
    4. Dalmatia
      Dalmatia 13 February 2016 21: 55
      +1
      aksakal, while we were discussing here, the Turks came out first, fired on Syria .. That's it ((((
    5. aksakal
      aksakal 14 February 2016 11: 43
      0
      Quote: Dalmatia
      aksakal, while we were discussing here, the Turks came out first, fired on Syria .. That's it ((((
      - Well, this is not a war, this is just a provocation)))).
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  3. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 13 February 2016 22: 50
    +4
    Russia will still have to fight, because having defeated Assad, the Saudis and Turks will again trample into the Caucasus and then Russia will have to fight again in Chechnya, Ossetia. Dagestan, Ingushetia. The FMS of Russia works very hard and Saudi agents and recruiters continue to infiltrate the Russian Federation. Russia is better at war with Assad than waiting for him to be destroyed and at war without him and his army. If Russia has no choice, then you should not wait again on June 22, 1941, you need to beat first and properly to erase all the enemy military bases, warehouses and military production in the dust in a few hours. If Assad is defeated in Syria, Russia will simply be kicked out of Syria, and the lease of military bases in Syria will be declared null and void
  4. midivan
    midivan 15 February 2016 05: 29
    +2
    Quote: aksakal
    If the Persians give the cannon fodder as much

    the fact is that Iran and Iraq have become friends and do not hold evil against each other, and they really don’t like igil and dislike the Saudis, smile and among themselves, they got excellent combat experience, unlike ... so I wouldn’t call them meat
  5. Mera joota
    Mera joota 13 February 2016 19: 31
    -6
    Quote: Dalmatia
    Tell me, if Turkey and the SA really invade Syria, how should Russia act?

    Agree on fixing the troops of the parties within the existing borders.
  6. dauria
    dauria 13 February 2016 23: 09
    0
    Agree on fixing the troops of the parties within the existing borders.


    Yes it will. After all, the Turks and the Saudis, so to speak, are opening a "second front", they will enter as assistants in the fight against ISIS. And then, like the FRG, they will organize a "second Syria", for example, federal eastern Syria. With the capital and government. So the move is strong, Assad will have to make the decision to "attack" the "allies" Turks.
  7. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 13 February 2016 18: 30
    +2
    Quote: donavi49
    He cannot do anything else, only provide passageways in minefields, mine himself, and protect the water area of ​​the port / squadron from mine installations.

    There is a better RBU-1200 on this project, so it can also make a noise about submarines if necessary.
  8. PSih2097
    PSih2097 13 February 2016 20: 19
    -1
    Quote: CU-3
    Quote: donavi49
    He cannot do anything else, only provide passageways in minefields, mine himself, and protect the water area of ​​the port / squadron from mine installations.

    There is a better RBU-1200 on this project, so it can also make a noise about submarines if necessary.

    In general, RBU is practically a universal thing, and on submarines and on torpedoes with mines, it can also be a kilometer along the shore ...
  9. kapitan92
    kapitan92 13 February 2016 21: 49
    +5
    [quote = PSih2097] RBU is actually almost a universal thing, and on submarines and on torpedoes with mines, it can be a kilometer along the shore ... [/ quote
    She can be crazy, but where? RBU 1200 - range 1200m. If you come closer to the shore, then it’s crazy! smile
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  • muhomor
    muhomor 13 February 2016 20: 54
    +1
    there is safety in numbers
  • dvina71
    dvina71 13 February 2016 17: 08
    +2
    Quote: Inok10
    trying to form a Sunni state under their control

    Sense to them to do some kind of education in the desert? The coast and densely populated territories beyond the ATS. Aleppo will be crushed by the end of February .., the coalition has no aces left. One way, merge the wards.
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 13 February 2016 17: 18
      +8
      Quote: dvina71
      Sense to them to do some kind of education in the desert?

      ... clearly and without further ado ... hi
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 13 February 2016 17: 39
        +1
        Quote: Inok10
        . clearly and without unnecessary words ..

        AND? it is believed that one of the reasons for the buoy in Syria is the possibility of stretching gas pipes to the Mediterranean Sea. If the ATS remains in the external territories, oil will have to be pumped to Turkey this time. To restore the fact that the cabbage is destroyed by the aerospace forces and the ATS and the coalition-two. Given that the reserves there are not large .., I want to ask - why?
        Here is an interesting article
        http://topwar.ru/38649-neft-i-gaz-sirii-rossiyskiy-klyuch-k-blizhnemu-vostoku.ht
        ml
        Which question - Why, puts it on a very indecent rib.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 13 February 2016 20: 28
          +1
          Quote: dvina71
          And? It is believed that one of the reasons for the buoy in Syria is the ability to stretch gas pipes to the Mediterranean Sea.If the ATS remains in the current territories, oil will have to be pumped to Turkey - this is the time. To restore the fact that the cabbage is destroyed by the aerospace forces and aircraft of the SAR and the coalition - two. Given that the reserves there are not large .., I want to ask - why?

          the war in Syria began exactly after Assad's refusal to extend a gas and oil pipeline from the SAR Qatarin transit through Turkey to Europe, which meant kirdyk to Gazprom and Rosneft and the rest in the west, which by the way we see with the price tag for oil in the world ...
        2. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 15 February 2016 06: 08
          0
          [quote = dvina71] http://topwar.ru/38649-neft-i-gaz-sirii-rossiyskiy-klyuch-k-blizh
          nemu-vostoku.ht

          ml [/ quote]
          [quot error404

          “Not that I didn’t hit at all,” said Pooh, “but just didn’t hit the ball!”

          Home] [/ quote]))))
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 13 February 2016 17: 43
        +3
        The Turkish Foreign Minister said that Ankara and Riyadh "are on the path to agreeing on the purification of the territory (Syria) from ISIS militants by coalition forces from 65 states." All the states of this “coalition” did not list Chavushoglu.
        Well, it’s understandable, yes , if he has problems with arithmetic, then there is nothing to say about geography, he is simply not able to invent so many countries that have "entered" the Calolition ...
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    3. PKK
      PKK 13 February 2016 18: 27
      0
      In the center of Syria, a river flows, this is an important strategic channel. In addition to capturing settlements in the desert and taking control of the territories, the coalition has the right to ask for financial assistance for further escalation, + some oil
  • Alexei
    Alexei 13 February 2016 17: 23
    +4
    Quote: Inok10
    the thirst for a straight pipe to Turkey and then Europe is stronger ... let's see what happens to them,

    It is necessary to crush them, hard and mercilessly. This straight pipe through Turkey is a very disadvantageous construction for the Russian economy. No one should be allowed into Syrian land, otherwise they will claim that they are fighting ISIS, and then they will declare their rights to foreign territory altogether.
  • PKK
    PKK 13 February 2016 18: 19
    +3
    Apparently the Shiite uprising in the east of the SA is left for a snack.
  • Vinchi
    Vinchi 13 February 2016 21: 44
    -1
    Somehow everyone forgot about Iran ...
  • venedofruss
    venedofruss 14 February 2016 14: 08
    +1
    I can’t understand why the pipe should be led through Syria, and not Iraq?
  • NIKNN
    NIKNN 13 February 2016 16: 30
    +2

    With these words, Kerry actually revealed the maps of Ankara and Riyadh regarding who the land forces of the “coalition” in Syria will conduct military operations if they cross its borders. And the opponent of these troops will certainly not LIH ...


    Well, nothing to add. I hope the Russian generals are not idle in the General Staff ... It would be nice to deliver a preventive strike, and no matter how, for 2 reasons, this is 1. hands will be untied to the bastards, and 2. they are used to yapping, only direct aggression can be seen (this is their normal state) to start ..., you need to excerpt
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 13 February 2016 16: 58
      +8
      Quote: NIKNN
      I hope the Russian generals are not idle in the General Staff ... It would be nice to deliver a preventive strike

      You are offering 100% losing situation. If Russia strikes Turkey first, this is called 100% aggression against the NATO country and there will already be an 6 article in action. And such countries that do not want to harness for Turkey will no longer be able to otmazyvatsya and affect the situation
      1. Corvetkapitan
        Corvetkapitan 13 February 2016 18: 13
        0
        I doubt very much that someone will start fighting over Turkey with the Russian Federation. The Anglo-Saxons guaranteed protection against Hitler of Czechoslovakia and Poland and kept their promises. Their word was not expensive then, and now, they will not even fight against Turkey with a nuclear power. ICBM YaRS is much worse than Hitler's submarines and pocket battleships.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 February 2016 18: 48
          +3
          Quote: Corvetkapitan
          I doubt very much that someone will start fighting over Turkey with the Russian Federation. The Anglo-Saxons guaranteed protection against Hitler of Czechoslovakia and Poland and kept their promises.

          You look at the title of the article who the US is pulling up for the war with Russia, there will be a provocation, the media and all that, and then if we leave the pipe from there, yes, they will pull only through Syria from Iraq and all "friends" such as Iran will also connect to it
          1. Corvetkapitan
            Corvetkapitan 13 February 2016 22: 59
            +1
            Moreover, after the defeat of Assad, the Saudis will trample into the Caucasus and arrange a third war for Russia in Chechnya. All these ISIS fighters who are now fighting in Syria will appear in Russia. I’m reading the comments and come to the conclusion that many people think that Iran is so stupid that it will drag chestnuts out of the fire for Russia. Iran needs an ally and real military assistance, and if the Russian Federation does not provide such assistance right now and leaves Syria, as they offer here, Iran will not go into war alone, they will lay a pipe through Syria and Russia will lose sales markets in the EU, and Iran, and what is left for him will try to survive alone.
        2. Atrix
          Atrix 13 February 2016 20: 52
          +2
          Quote: Corvetkapitan
          I doubt very much that someone will start fighting over Turkey with the Russian Federation.

          Hitler also thought that no one would harness for Poland with the most powerful army in Europe at that time. But you know the story. They will harness themselves even if Russia is the first to strike at Turkey, because then there is no sense from NATO. So do not be naive harnessed to run as much as a couple of years ago they also said that the sanctions never lead against Russia.
          1. Corvetkapitan
            Corvetkapitan 13 February 2016 22: 55
            0
            And no one harnessed to Poland, they just surrendered it.
      2. UZBEK TASHKENT
        UZBEK TASHKENT 13 February 2016 19: 28
        +2
        Do not confuse people, dear, no one will harness for the Turks until 100% protection against a nuclear strike is provided! Need to beat now! Beat at places of accumulation of equipment and primarily airfields. Let 5-10% be able to rise into the air, this is already the 35th cat and mouse. If we also gobble up the mumble, you have to run away. Then we will sag east and the question of Crimea will very clearly arise. The scenario is bad, but what to do is fate.
        1. Atrix
          Atrix 13 February 2016 20: 59
          0
          Quote: UZBEK TASHKENT
          Do not confuse people, dear, no one will harness for the Turks until 100% nuclear defense is provided!

          Listen dear it is you lead people astray. There is a NATO charter attacking one country, attacking all countries. If tomorrow Russia attacks Turkey (theoretically, as you say) and NATO does not stand up for a country of a member of the alliance, then a logical question arises in countries why our country did not protect Turkey, which means nobody will protect our country either.
          And no one will use nuclear weapons because of the conflict in Turkey, an exchange of blows will take place Russia will strike forces in Turkey, and NATO countries will hit Russia forces concentrated near the borders of Turkey-Syria. Then everyone will sit at the negotiating table and will decide issues.
          By your logic, then, the USA can occupy Kazakhstan-Belarus and Russia will not do anything because the USA has nuclear weapons and for these countries Russia will not take such actions that will lead to a war between the USA and Russia.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 13 February 2016 22: 48
            +3
            Quote: Atrix
            Listen dear it is you lead people astray. There is a NATO charter attacking one country, attacking all countries.

            ... essentially Yes, in fact NO! ... hi quote from NATO Charter Art. five:
            The Contracting Parties agree that an armed attack on one or more of them in Europe or North America will be considered as an attack on them as a whole, and therefore agree that if such an armed attack takes place, each of they, in the exercise of the right to individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will provide assistance to a Contracting Party subjected to or to Contracting Parties subjected to such an attack, by the immediate implementation of such an individual or joint action as it considers necessary, including the use of armed force to restore and subsequently maintain the security of the North Atlantic region.
            Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result of it are immediately reported to the Security Council. Such measures will cease when the Security Council takes the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.
            . BERRY, ALLOCATED BOLD! ... Alliance, Alliance, Friendship, Friendship ... a, Tabochka is apart ... the point is who deems necessary ... with green paint and bandages, there will be complete unity, it is definitely necessary ... well, that Greece in the Aegean would stand up for Turkey ... GY-GY-GY ... laughing
      3. NIKNN
        NIKNN 13 February 2016 21: 57
        +2
        Quote: Atrix
        Quote: NIKNN
        I hope the Russian generals are not idle in the General Staff ... It would be nice to deliver a preventive strike

        You are offering 100% losing situation. If Russia strikes Turkey first, this is called 100% aggression against the NATO country and there will already be an 6 article in action. And such countries that do not want to harness for Turkey will no longer be able to otmazyvatsya and affect the situation

        So this is the 1st point and noted ... The fact is that I would not want to guess ... but there is no confidence that they will not climb (judging by how recently the policy of "friends" has changed) ... Look for friends in politics .. ..

        - the husband doesn’t come from the sauna.
        -Wife undresses him and finds a condom
        - Without hesitation, angrily stuffed into anal ...
        -In the morning the husband leaves the bathroom, the wife asks
        - "Well, how did you steam up with friends in the sauna?"
        -Answer: sharp "I HAVE NO MORE FRIENDS !!!"
    2. sgazeev
      sgazeev 13 February 2016 19: 18
      +1
      Quote: NIKNN

      With these words, Kerry actually revealed the maps of Ankara and Riyadh regarding who the land forces of the “coalition” in Syria will conduct military operations if they cross its borders. And the opponent of these troops will certainly not LIH ...


      Well, nothing to add. I hope the Russian generals are not idle in the General Staff ... It would be nice to deliver a preventive strike, and no matter how, for 2 reasons, this is 1. hands will be untied to the bastards, and 2. they are used to yapping, only direct aggression can be seen (this is their normal state) to start ..., you need to excerpt

      Vladimir Putin: If a fight is inevitable - you have to beat first angry
  • dyksi
    dyksi 13 February 2016 17: 16
    +9
    It seems that they are preparing for more scuffle, just because no one will be able to relocate such a number of troops (this is very expensive and this requires the go-ahead and reassurance of the help of the mattress covers and most likely the go-ahead is given). The consequences can be disastrous. In fact, this is already the ultimatum to Bashar, which has already been launched, either dumps or overwrites. The mattresses didn’t just bustle around in Khasak, they are preparing for the operation and it seems they don’t want to notice us, in vain, this is a very rash step.
  • Blondy
    Blondy 14 February 2016 06: 47
    -2
    The worst thing for them is that their train has left. Now the SAR army is actually the most combat-ready in the entire Middle East. It will be interesting to see how these gallant representatives of the Arab coalition will skitter from the Syrian shelling veterans, and even with the support of the people, who have felt for themselves what the "friends of Syria" are, and the VKS (to throw the necessary "firewood" to the Syrians - and that will be it) ... The howl in the west was not in vain raised in advance - or will it still be if (the east is a delicate matter and "when" is still in question) everything starts: "ours to them, one might say, in a noble impulse, and they are with Russia, bastards, their in the face ".
  • Barnaul, Altai
    Barnaul, Altai 13 February 2016 16: 14
    10
    Everyone says that there will be an invasion, and only you "surely know what not" ...
    Share, where is the confidence? If for the second week already in the West they have been preparing information for everyone ...
    1. dorz
      dorz 13 February 2016 16: 30
      +4
      Not for nothing that a sudden check of the troops of the South-East Military District was recently conducted ... soldier
  • sherman1506
    sherman1506 13 February 2016 16: 16
    23
    But I did not understand what the problem is?
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 13 February 2016 16: 26
      -3
      The mass will be slaughtered, in quantity.
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 February 2016 16: 43
        13
        Quote: Alexander_
        The mass will be slaughtered, in quantity.



        They fight not by mass and quantity, but by skill especially in the modern world.
        1. Alexander_
          Alexander_ 13 February 2016 17: 06
          +7
          It is of course skill. Well, the rain of missiles on our S-400 is difficult to block, except preventively. 70 km to the border with Turkey.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 13 February 2016 17: 17
            +1
            Quote: Alexander_
            It is of course skill. Well, the rain of missiles on our S-400 is difficult to block, except preventively. 70 km to the border with Turkey.

            The Americans equate the C300 and c400 systems with OTRK. Is it necessary for the Turks? Fair. I won’t believe that the Zoo is not on duty there.
            1. Alexander_
              Alexander_ 13 February 2016 17: 30
              +1
              Well, equate. How many launches can make 4-hundredth, the number of missiles is limited.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 13 February 2016 17: 41
                +4
                Quote: Alexander_
                Well, equate. How many launches can make 4-hundredth, the number of missiles is limited.

                It’s enough to cover the Janissary bombers. But this is too little for revenge on the Turks for our lives
                1. Alexander_
                  Alexander_ 13 February 2016 17: 55
                  +3
                  Too few.
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 13 February 2016 19: 07
                    +5
                    In addition to the S-300 (marine) and S-400, there are Buki (GDP said that they are modernized, Syrian) and Armor.
                    NATO will not fight without aviation. Therefore, satellites are thrown under the tanks. The Syrian army on "paper" (there is no difference "alive or dead") has Dots and long-range MLRS Smerch and Hurricane. And since there is on paper, then the Russian Federation will make them in real life. That is, it makes no sense to use the S-300 (400) as an OTRK. I wonder what the Turks think about the following:
                    1. The teachings and bases in Armenia are not afraid that they might receive a blow from the north.
                    2. Syrian Kurds. They could not conduct offensive operations without serious ammunition reserves (this is at least) - where did the Turks come from, didn’t the Turks think !? Have you ever thought that the Turkish and Iraqi Kurds will receive support in the form of arms supplies from Syria, Iran and Russia? Erdogan does not understand that he can get a civil war?
                    3. Will have to fight with the opposition grew. electronic warfare systems. That is, without communication, etc .. Are they ready for this?
                    4. The Saudis, as I understand it, are transferring 1500 fighters. This is not serious for offensive action, more for mark.
                    5. What will be the role of the remaining members of NATO. Erdogan thinks they will harness for him - I doubt something very much ?!
                    If the Turks can do anything, then only in the east of Syria, away from growing. base. But there are territories controlled by Assad (Deir ez-Zor) and Kurds there. hi
                  2. Kasym
                    Kasym 13 February 2016 19: 14
                    +1
                    I do not think that during the exercises that are going on in the Russian Federation, we will see the launches of the Caliber. Ships will hold ammunition for the Turks. Long-range aviation can still work, because there is a reserve; but ships will keep bk. hi
                  3. Inok10
                    Inok10 13 February 2016 20: 17
                    +2
                    Quote: Kasym
                    Will have to fight with the opposition grew. electronic warfare systems. That is, without communication, etc .. Are they ready for this?

                    ... not ready ... and with the Turkic MLRS it is also easier ... the electronic warfare system "Mercury BM", based on the armored personnel carrier or MTLb ... five minutes of video about the electronic warfare systems "Lever" and "Mercury" ... hi
            2. aleks26
              aleks26 13 February 2016 18: 12
              +4
              Quote: Tusv
              It’s enough to cover the Janissary bombers.

              So first, the MLRS will work on Russian bases, and then the aircraft will connect. Interestingly, will they also sink the Russian cruiser? Preventively.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 13 February 2016 18: 33
                +5
                The Turks have tactical missiles with a launch range of 300 kilometers - if they decide to attack, our base will not last 30 minutes.
              2. Inok10
                Inok10 13 February 2016 20: 21
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                The Turks have tactical missiles with a launch range of 300 kilometers - if they decide to attack, our base will not last 30 minutes.

                ... and, what exactly is the OTRK? ... may I ask? ...
              3. PSih2097
                PSih2097 13 February 2016 20: 41
                +2
                Quote: Inok10
                Quote: Vadim237
                The Turks have tactical missiles with a launch range of 300 kilometers - if they decide to attack, our base will not last 30 minutes.

                ... and, what exactly is the OTRK? ... may I ask? ...

                MGM-140 ATACMS ...



                The performance characteristics of the MGM-140 ATACMS
                Rocket length, mm 3962
                The diameter of the rocket, mm 610
                Launch weight, kg: mod. 1 - 1662
                Maud. 1A, 2, and 2A - 1496
                Weight of the head, kg about 500
                Firing Range, km: mod. 1,2 - 165
                Maud. 1A, 2A - 300
                Deployment (coagulation) time, min 5
              4. Inok10
                Inok10 13 February 2016 21: 17
                +2
                Quote: PSih2097
                MGM-140 ATACMS

                ... accepted ... and went in order:
                OTP ATACMS ... carrier of different warheads, we analyze:
                1. MGM-140A
                2. MGM-140B /
                3. Block II (MGM 164A)
                4. Block II (MGM 164V)
                ... what common ?! ... warhead cassette with submunitions ... a, for breeding at the right time and at the right height ... radio fuse and radio altimeter required . Oops! ... that is, the electronic warfare system "Mercury BM" copes with this ... the video I posted above with the work of the Mercury BM ... hi
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 14 February 2016 07: 32
            -4
            if they decide to attack, our base will not last 30 minutes.
            Then the Turks will simply sign a death sentence for themselves, and then it will not matter, the NATO member is not a member ........
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 February 2016 15: 08
            +2
            At the expense of the death sentence, you turned it down - what can we oppose to them there, in the next few days after the attack on our base - only the entire ammunition of the cruise missiles X 101, X 555 and the Caliber of the NK with the usual warhead, they are not even armed with 1000 will be, but for Turkey this will not be enough, our nuclear weapons will not be used and Erdogan knows that. How to transfer troops to the shores of Turkey - a dead mine there will immediately be met by minefields and the Turkish fleet will immediately block all the straits, there will be almost no landing ships in the Caspian, only the BTA remains, but there are also not a lot of transport planes there, we only have An 124 only 20 pieces are in state, and in order to transfer a 200 thousandth group you need several tens of thousands of round-trip flights, through Iran to attack - so we will face ISIS in Iraq, while we deal with them it will take at least a week, during which time the Syrian troops will be defeated Turkish troops and hundreds of thousands of bandits whom Ankara will put under arms in a short time - whatever you may say, and our troops will be in deep shit with enormous losses and add to the above huge territory of military operations, the constant supply of Turkish weapons from the allies, as well as mercenaries from all over the world, including numerous idiots from Ukraine who will go to Turkey to this war and this war will continue for many years.
          4. 72jora72
            72jora72 15 February 2016 12: 49
            0
            At the expense of the death sentence, you turned it down - what can we oppose them there,
            Dear, do you seriously believe that retaliation will not follow for the destruction of our military base ??? And you are naively confident that we will not be able to strike? Yes, you are a naive Chukchi youth, strategic analyst. You are our ......
  • the most important
    the most important 13 February 2016 17: 43
    +3
    Quote: Alexander_
    It is of course skill. Well, the rain of missiles on our S-400 is difficult to block, except preventively. 70 km to the border with Turkey.

    and what prevents to transfer the S-400 to 50 km ?? The affected area will remain almost the same, but the Turks cannot reach it.
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 13 February 2016 17: 56
      +4
      We rely on the skill of our General Staff. Surprises know how to do.
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  • sherman1506
    sherman1506 13 February 2016 16: 46
    -4
    Turkish aviation is closed on three sides, the fleet, in principle, also does not channel, and the mass of sunshine is not a problem.
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 13 February 2016 17: 09
      +2
      So who is the first, that and slippers.
      1. sherman1506
        sherman1506 13 February 2016 17: 11
        14
        There is not much different situation. Who is the first, that and the extreme.
        1. Alexander_
          Alexander_ 13 February 2016 17: 22
          +2
          It is truth too. "Quantum uncertainty".
  • Vita vko
    Vita vko 13 February 2016 17: 05
    +9
    The size of the SAA is slightly lower than the size of the Turkish army, unless of course we take into account the divisions of Iran, the Kurds and the patriotic opposition. But the SAA has serious combat experience + there is a gradual equipping with modern types of weapons and military equipment. So all these aviation transfers have only a psychological purpose. In any case, covering the planned offensive of the Turkish troops and the Saudis from the air will not work, and acting without cover will be suicide.
    The only option for Turkey and the Saudis is to transfer well-armed terrorists, but here they are already late.
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 13 February 2016 18: 05
      +6
      Quote: Vita VKO
      The only option for Turkey and the Saudis is to transfer well-armed terrorists, but here they are already late.

      Saudis are needed only because they are not nasty. There is a political game and the mattresses use their full potential to scare ...
      But in fact, the Saud have shown all their military potential in Yemen. The field of this they are more than cannon fodder are not suitable.
  • aleks700
    aleks700 13 February 2016 16: 55
    10
    the Syrian army will take care of the reassurance of his soldiers
    A certain amount will calm, but so far it can’t even cope with disparate (relatively) gangs. Success only thanks to the videoconferencing. The war will be difficult. And I wish Assad victory.
  • Amnestied
    Amnestied 13 February 2016 18: 01
    0
    Quote: seti
    They know this, so there will probably be no intrusion.

    Pump up and provoke! Perhaps the hegemon gave the go-ahead for a big war.
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 14 February 2016 14: 48
      0
      Quote: Amnestied
      Pump up and provoke! Perhaps the hegemon gave the go-ahead for a big war.

      Just "take on weak", once again. They used to call it the "red line", but they ran out of red markers. The Saud are not warriors, from the word NEVER. Turks are brave only under an umbrella, as they say laughing , natashka. But this is no longer the case. Erdogan scared NATO so much with his moronism-pan-Turkism that the "umbrella" was blown away by the north wind.
  • PKK
    PKK 13 February 2016 18: 16
    -4
    The Saudis apparently receive little from the Iskanders in their south. Now they want to make sure in Syria that neither Syria nor Russia likes jokes. Well, the TOS will quickly cool their hot heads
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 14 February 2016 21: 37
      0
      Quote: PKK
      The Saudis apparently receive little from the Iskanders in their south. Now they want to make sure in Syria that neither Syria nor Russia likes jokes. Well, the TOS will quickly cool their hot heads

      Tolley I - not shod, felts - skis do not go. What, nafing isknader? Chemistry test tomorrow!
  • sgazeev
    sgazeev 13 February 2016 19: 00
    -4
    Quote: seti
    These interventionists in Syria will find their grave. They know this, so there will probably be no intrusion. And if urine hits Erdogan again in the head and he kicks something out of the ordinary, then the Syrian army will take care of calming his soldiers.

    The small rocket ship Zeleny Dol and the sea minesweeper Kovrovets left Sevastopol to carry out missions in the Mediterranean. The crew of the MRK first went on a mission to the Mediterranean Sea, Captain XNUMXst Rank Vyacheslav Trukhachev said. Not in vain.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 14 February 2016 13: 58
      +2
      Quote: sgazeev
      Small rocket ship Zeleny Dol and sea minesweeper Kovrovets left Sevastopol to perform missions in the Mediterranean

      Quote: sgazeev
      No wonder. Close the sky.

      fool wassat What do you think when you write nonsense ?? RTOs and Minesweeper will close the sky somewhere in the region of Syria ??? fool ... can you even imagine what weapons these two boats carry ???
      1. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov 14 February 2016 21: 29
        -1
        Quote: gispanec
        can you imagine what weapons these two boats carry ???

        And you, straight, imagine? Hispanic? laughing
        And, yes, CATER ...
      2. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov 14 February 2016 22: 44
        -2
        I think that five of these BOATS will plunge Spain into the Stone Age, even with conquistadors loyal to the Spanish crown. And, about they will close the sky, yes - they will not close it themselves, but the brothers will hang down.
  • avia1991
    avia1991 13 February 2016 20: 07
    +4
    Quote: seti
    These interventionists in Syria will find their grave.

    The question is, at what cost will this happen .. and those who send troops are not used to thinking about the lives of the military, nor their own - nor those of others.
    Quote: seti
    there will probably be no intrusion
    Sorry, but - WHERE DOES such confidence? Judging by Erdogashi's behavior, "urine in the head" hit him long ago, and his behavior is unpredictable. The Syrian army will not be easy to confront the Turks alone - this means that Russia will be drawn into a real war with another state, and not with a pseudo-caliphate, as it is now.
    And already behind the Puddle they sleep and see that Russia becomes a participant in the international conflict - they will have where to "turn around"!
    The smell of war has been in the air since April 2014 .. will it be possible to keep the situation at least at today's level? .. what
  • Zefr
    Zefr 13 February 2016 20: 14
    0
    Do you want to fight yourself?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 13 February 2016 20: 49
      +5
      Quote: Zefr
      Do you want to fight yourself?

      here from 2/3 to 3/4 people are military, it will be necessary and will want, but if they order, we will go without a trace ...
  • Valera999
    Valera999 14 February 2016 00: 03
    +4
    I am only amazed at one thing when they write "That's it." The Turks have not seen machine guns, or they have no combat experience from the officers (Chechnya-Syria-Iran..it). They say that the Syrian Army will be able to take care of it, with its army exhausted by the war ??? Then what are the Russian Aerospace Forces doing in Syria if the Syrian Army can stop the Turks itself! The Turks have an advantage in everything, in technology and, most importantly, in human resources. Without a guerrilla war, the Syrians will not be able to defeat the Turks, since such a war may not exist, thanks to the scum from ISIS and other groups that will destroy the underground along with the Turks, because the territory of all of Syria is still not controlled by the Assad Forces.
    If the Kurds do not have a second wind, to destabilize in Turkey, and apparently recent events, it was a sweep of the blow from the Kurds in Turkey during a possible intervention against Syria, then without Syria’s support it will fall very quickly. Turkey is Mr. NATO, all NATO will help them, if this is not enough for you, well then throw your hats on.
  • cyber
    cyber 14 February 2016 14: 51
    0
    I have no doubt in the courage of the SAR, but alas, this is not enough now.
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  • RDX
    RDX 14 February 2016 18: 37
    0
    Hussites pulling on Saudis
  • midivan
    midivan 15 February 2016 05: 11
    +2
    Quote: seti
    These interventionists in Syria will find their grave. They know this, so there will probably be no intrusion.

    are you tired of chess? Have you decided to play poker? bully
  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 13 February 2016 16: 11
    +8
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Apparently the words of Vanga: "Syria has not yet fallen" - may indeed be prophetic.

    "Has not fallen yet .." And if it does, then what? You got it with these prophecies. Everything is much more serious - it looks like the situation has gone haywire.
    By the way, why do the Turks need Saudi aircraft? Do they have their own? Or will proud Arabian camel-lovers be in the first echelon, as the "master key" of our and Syrian air defense?
    1. Barnaul, Altai
      Barnaul, Altai 13 February 2016 16: 16
      11
      For quorum.
      To declare a coalition and that only Russia is against ...
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 13 February 2016 16: 30
      13
      The Turks have lighter F-16. And there are not so many fresh ones (a little more than 100 Block50 / 52, and Block30 - only MiG-21 / 23 Assad to drive).

      The Saudis have thrown around the 20 (most likely 24) F-15S aircraft. This is a plane of gaining superiority in the sky, like the Su-27 (or rather the Su-27 response to the F-15), with good attachment capabilities (EW).
      1. dyksi
        dyksi 13 February 2016 17: 27
        +8
        Ours modernized the Syrian MiG-29 and MiG-23, but they are still few in number, NATO will certainly help with aviation and not only, the war in Vietnam may seem like a child's walk, compared to the slaughter that is being prepared in Syria, another level, too many states can be drawn into this war.
    3. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 13 February 2016 16: 32
      35
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      "Has not fallen yet .." And if it does, then what?

      Do you understand that if Syria falls, then this also means our defeat? Or do you think that we just get out of there and that's it? No, we will most likely defend the Syrians to the last, otherwise how will we look in the eyes of the world community? Do you think the current situation in Syria is not serious? - But it seems to me: much more serious.
      1. just exp
        just exp 13 February 2016 16: 45
        +4
        we may not get involved in a war, war is a gift to the states, they will delay their demise for another period.
        1. Viktor2410
          Viktor2410 13 February 2016 17: 51
          +5
          Already got involved, another shot down plane of the Russian Federation and rushed.
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 13 February 2016 17: 01
        +3
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Do you think the current situation in Syria is not serious?

        I think frivolous? Are you capable of reading text? I kind of directly pointed out:
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        You got it with these prophecies. Everything is much more serious. - It seems that the situation has become peddling.

        And you are like the grandmothers at the entrance, discussing some "predictions" broadcast on Ren-TV and the Domashny TV channel.
        Actually, what am I talking about? Indeed, for some, this blind old woman is an indisputable authority. I am glad that at least not for the Russian military-political leadership.
        Honestly, I am very surprised by the number of citizens who believe in such nonsense. By the way, go, for example, to some Ukrainian forum - there he interprets the "fairy tales of grandmother Vanga" exclusively in his favor.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 13 February 2016 17: 20
          +3
          You did not answer what will happen if Syria falls: is this not the most serious situation, with all its consequences?
          I read different things about Vanga and I don’t say that I blindly believe her predictions, but sometimes the events that have to take place must be compared, even if it will be a coincidence. Many Nostradamus and his quatrains do not accept, but for some reason they persistently remember him when his predictions come true.
        2. just exp
          just exp 13 February 2016 17: 46
          +1
          and besides Vanga there are also Orthodox elders, they said that Russia would destroy Turkey because of Greece (not because of Syria), and that the Russians in that war would reach Damascus, that is, at that time, Syria would be part of Turkey.
        3. Viktor2410
          Viktor2410 13 February 2016 18: 04
          +4
          Well, ren-tv and NTV and other channels of course still carry that blizzard about Vanga. But in the book by Krasimira Stoyanova (Vanga's niece) "The Truth About Vanga" it is said about this:

          humanity will experience many natural and social cataclysms and violent events. Human consciousness will gradually change. Hard times will come, people will be divided on the basis of faith. The most ancient teaching will come into the world. People ask me: "Will this time come soon?" "No, not soon. Syria has not yet fallen!" (This statement was recorded by me in 1980)
          1. activator
            activator 13 February 2016 19: 18
            +1
            Quote: Viktor2410
            humanity will experience many natural and social cataclysms and violent events. Human consciousness will gradually change. Hard times will come, people will be divided on the basis of faith. The most ancient teaching will come into the world. People ask me: "Will this time come soon?" "No, not soon. Syria has not yet fallen!" (This statement was recorded by me in 1980)

            The fall of Syria will be the starting point, maybe it will be a lost battle after which the war will be won? Yes, and many prophecies say that there will be a war "and the end of the world for the dark and the end of darkness for the light will come. But in all the prophecies for Russia, everything ends well.,
          2. Lanaozer
            Lanaozer 13 February 2016 21: 22
            0
            The most interesting thing is that if under this ancient teaching, Wang meant a new belligerent round of Islam, then it seems we will not have to wait for anything good.
            I know that many consider Islam to be the youngest religion, but in fact the "young" religion is based precisely on the most ancient interpretation of the Old Testament, reverence for Abraham, the common ancestor of the Arabs and Jews, and their sacred Kaab is a stone brought by Adam himself from paradise.
      3. PKK
        PKK 13 February 2016 18: 37
        +1
        If Syria falls, pah pah left, then in this enclave, ISIS will be formed that will not seem enough for everyone. And Uncle Sam will laugh from overseas.
      4. Ka-52
        Ka-52 13 February 2016 20: 52
        +2
        look in the eyes of the world community?
        Is the world community interested in us? Moreover, such a ***** th! We will not defend the Syrians until the last moment. The Saudis and Turks are here in the role of a "kid" to shoot a cigarette, and NATO is sitting around the corner. Depending on how Turkey and the SA will have the first strike and whether they can (destroy) neutralize our airbases and S4 in a couple of hours, the entire NATO Caucasian will act on this. Iraq is nearby, and there are arrogant, and the Americans, and the French, and Italians with the Germans. Eh, calibers to comb them all, so as to shit.
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    5. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 13 February 2016 19: 45
      0
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      By the way, why do the Turks need Saudi aircraft? Do they have their own? Or will proud Arabian camel-lovers be in the first echelon, as the "master key" of our and Syrian air defense?

      For Turkish Aviation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turz Air Force
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 13 February 2016 20: 07
        0
        Quote: Misha Honest
        For Turkish Aviation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turz Air Force

        Sorry, the forum buggy: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey Air Force

        Quite a lot of targets for our air defense in Syria, and, if you count cruise missiles, aviation of NATO and the Arab countries ... then the thing is very bad.
    6. Viktor2410
      Viktor2410 14 February 2016 08: 38
      0
      If you remember the Turks shot down our plane and their aircraft in the sky of Syria can be regarded by Russia as an attack, and the Saudis seem to be not our enemies yet.
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  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 13 February 2016 16: 34
    +7
    Moved there - moved here: Arithmetic 1st grade
    "the sum does not change from the change of the places of the terms."
    "Morning of Hans" poem:

    At exactly eight for prayer
    At 8-10 for robbery
    8-45 into battle
    I thought it would be a good day.
    He ate a chicken, however
    The appetite has not calmed down
    Exactly at nine went on the attack
    At 9-10 he was killed. "

    Well, something like this will be dealt with by you, the Lord Saudis and the Americans.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 13 February 2016 16: 38
    +9
    The Syrian army is motivated by the fact that it is defending its homeland, plus Iran and Russia are helping it, these Turks and Saudis are afraid, without motivation, to flee, retreating to Washington.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 13 February 2016 20: 58
      +1
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      these Turks and Saudis, without motivation, I’m afraid I will run back down to Washington.

      Well, they also have motivation, money and influence on BV ...
  • Belarus
    Belarus 13 February 2016 16: 49
    +9
    Apparently the words of Vanga: "Syria has not yet fallen" - may indeed be prophetic.


    That's right. As Vanga said, the third world war will begin if Syria falls .... Syria has not yet fallen - she answered the question of when the third world war will start. And about the fact that the winner will not be the one if Syria falls and "not that "this is most likely terrorism.
    So to prevent the beginning, in fact, the end of all life on earth is to defend Syria.
    1. Viktor2410
      Viktor2410 13 February 2016 18: 13
      0
      Vanga did not talk about World War 3, they love to distort her words, but in the book by Krasimira Stoyanova (Vanga's niece) "The Truth About Vanga" it is said about this:

      humanity will experience many natural and social cataclysms and violent events. Human consciousness will gradually change. Hard times will come, people will be divided on the basis of faith. The most ancient teaching will come into the world. People ask me: "Will this time come soon?" "No, not soon. Syria has not yet fallen!" (This statement was recorded by me in 1980)

      Other, later books about Wang have already been edited by fans of sensations sucked from the finger!
  • kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 13 February 2016 16: 51
    +9
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Apparently the words of Vanga: "Syria has not yet fallen" - may indeed be prophetic.

    In fact, Russia will have to solve definitely very serious problems, Russia should already work out the issue of the transfer of Iranian ground forces, as well as equipping them with modern weapons, I think it will not do without having to strengthen our airspace component, as well as air defense. Well, the forces of special operations without which it certainly will not do, it will be hot, who said it would be easy!
    1. aleks26
      aleks26 13 February 2016 18: 26
      +6
      Quote: kod3001
      will have to strengthen our videoconferencing component

      not in vain Jens Stoltenberg declared the inadmissibility of the use of nuclear weapons during armed conflict. Dogs feel how it will end. And Putin said that 1) If you can’t avoid a fight, you must beat first. 2) Gauges also have warheads with a special unit.
  • Viktor2410
    Viktor2410 13 February 2016 17: 46
    +2
    Yes, given that she was never wrong!
  • Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 13 February 2016 17: 50
    +1
    When Syria falls, World War 3 will begin. It seems so Wang said. Everything goes to this campaign.
  • the most important
    the most important 13 February 2016 17: 57
    10
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Apparently the words of Vanga: "Syria has not yet fallen" - may indeed be prophetic.

    Syria hasn’t fallen yet it is necessary to read how - when the cancer on the mountain whistles! The invasion of the Barmalean coalition in Syria and an attack on the Russian base means that the Turks will receive a missile and bomb strike throughout their territory, the SA will receive the same thing and not a single tanker will be able to stay afloat. Iran with great pleasure will crush this (and its friendly) monarchy. Well, if they decided to fight against Russia, then the main thing is to fight on foreign territory.
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 13 February 2016 17: 59
    +1
    She still, and she said: - "Syria will collapse at the feet of the winner, but the winner will not be the same."
  • RDX
    RDX 13 February 2016 18: 04
    +3
    The question is, how courageous and decisive will the actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces with Syria be? If they take the back, then we will be in opera, we will all be in the anus, everything depends on the decisiveness of our supreme
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  • aksakal
    aksakal 13 February 2016 18: 46
    +1
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Apparently the words of Vanga: "Syria has not yet fallen" - may indeed be prophetic.
    - I like the prophecy about "the defeat of the army under 80 flags in Syria". So, just in case - on our side, there are either three or four (if the Iraqis join) flags. So we are definitely not under 80 flags in the prophecy! laughing I am sure that it will be so, and no other way!
  • Kent0001
    Kent0001 13 February 2016 18: 53
    +3
    Syria must not be allowed to burn. Actually, this is basically a war against Russia over the gas pipeline from Qatar to Geyropa. This is the main reason.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 13 February 2016 21: 30
      +2
      IMHO: in order to prevent large losses among our guys, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation need to act arrogantly, tough and beat first! If everything goes to the big ass, then it is better to be the first to take out the Turks and their bases with the SA, to aim missiles at the bases in IRAQ, so that the "allies" can see "bunnies" on the satellites from the open mine covers. If Turkey loses most of its aviation in the very first moments, then it will only have a ground army, and the Syrians will somehow cope with them with our help, and NATO will be fed up, since the Europeans are not "men", but the amers have their missile defense is not yet capable of intercepting our missiles, so YaB will not be involved, and since we will start first, we will initially have an advantage over any actions of the West.
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 13 February 2016 22: 04
        +1
        Her comrade, you need to wait for their land units to cross the Syrian border, then when everything is said to be according to the law, we’ll wake them as an aggressor, something like that, why unnecessary problems, and more than enough! We must not forget that the Turks are members of NATO why is it not once again clever to expose the United States that they will not start a war with Russia over Turkey, everyone knows that, they need to leave room for maneuver, so to speak, not to lose face, article 5 provides for aggression against a NATO member, here then they say yes, we would show where the crayfish hibernate, and so sorry you yourself invaded, verbally support morally, maybe we’ll help you with carts, but you yourself climbed in and sort it out!
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 14 February 2016 05: 24
      -1
      Hello !! You didn’t understand a bit. The main goal pursued by the Tuiks of Isaudis is Iran’s isolation. They tried to close Iran in isolation. Not only the monarchy but also the Jews fussed there. And Abama was pulled very intensely Then it did not grow together. And Syria, together with Iran, destroys all plans. Moreover, it is weaker than Iran after having hit it and hit it first. And Iran has less opportunities and is in a hurry. Turkey has its own views of Syria. No wonder the history they’re shaking. And our policy has one significant feature. We only help legitimate authorities. And Syria’s authorities help other movements in Syria. So only Assad can help Syrian Kurds our colleagues know the peculiarity and the UN has repeatedly voiced it. In Syria for the first time the tactics of destroying any pioisociety were applied. This is a completely different tactic of the revolution of the emissaries who were transferred from Libya. In Libya, the taboos. The attempt to destroy the production there led to the fact that these revolutionaries were instantly destroyed by the revolutionaries themselves. In Syria, for 4 long years, enterprises and production disappeared. Therefore, the liberation of the country is going so hard. Now pressure is coming on us and Assad. Urgently dress the militants in civilian clothes and for negotiation. Here already the Foreign Ministry service has a difficult task to find out who is the atom and take time. To give the Syrian Army a chance to do what is right.
      Such realities today. With respect.
  • Nord2015
    Nord2015 13 February 2016 16: 05
    37
    It seems we are on the eve of a grand schucher ...
    1. cap
      cap 13 February 2016 17: 24
      +7
      Quote: Nord2015
      It seems we are on the eve of a grand schucher ...


      Alas, I have to agree. I don’t read further. The Turks talked about mobilization. It's rubbish. Judging by the latest news from the talks, there’s still a week. A clean repetition of the Caribbean crisis. And again, Turkey, acts as the highlight of the program.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 13 February 2016 18: 32
        +2
        It’s rubbish. Judging by the latest news from the negotiations, there’s still a week. A clean recurrence of the Caribbean crisis.

        not quite clean ... now there is no one like Kennedy who could stop, and America, like air, needs a saving (for her) war. If it weren’t for September 11th, it would have to be invented ... So now - in Europe there are no puppets like de Gaulle! That’s why it’s scary that SUCH right now in Europe, they don’t feel war, as before the Second World War they have only one thing in their head - the main enemy is Russia!
    2. Viktor2410
      Viktor2410 13 February 2016 18: 16
      +2
      I would not want a war, all the more pull everyone and there will be a world carnage.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 February 2016 18: 37
        +2
        Our General Staff already has considerations - in the event of a conflict with Turkey, to attract the Kurds of Iraq and Iran, we will attack from Iran.
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 14 February 2016 14: 01
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          Our General Staff already has considerations - in the event of a conflict with Turkey, to attract the Kurds of Iraq and Iran, we will attack from Iran.

          you leaked Gerasimov Old ?? .....
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 February 2016 15: 10
            -1
            There are no friends working in the General Staff, in general this is one of the options for action - maybe.
            1. gispanec
              gispanec 14 February 2016 21: 23
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              No friends working in the General Staff

              what kind of acquaintances who at times merge a secret Old just acquaintances ?? ... write nonsense
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 14 February 2016 23: 54
                0
                When talking about it, a slip of the tongue was mentioned and the information was not secret.
  • Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 13 February 2016 16: 06
    14
    If this strategy appears soonthen Turkey together with Saudi Arabia will begin ground operation

    But this is interesting, how are they going to justify the invasion of an independent state?
    Are they ready to substitute themselves under the attacks of the Russian Aerospace Forces, or do they think that the Syrians will "swallow" the seizure of their territory?
    Or are you sure that NATO will fit in for the Turks and Saudis in full?
    .
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 13 February 2016 16: 10
      26
      But it is interesting how they are going to justify the invasion of an independent state.

      When the interests of the United States are behind someone, the law and the right go into second place. After all, no one cares that the "anti-ISIS coalition" is also flying illegally in the skies of Syria, a sovereign state. request
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 13 February 2016 16: 12
      15
      Quote: MainBeam
      But it is interesting how they are going to justify the invasion of an independent state.

      As usual, the lack of democracy.
      It is also necessary to throw S-400 to Syria and more missiles. It seems that their work is getting bogged down.
    3. SlavaS
      SlavaS 13 February 2016 16: 13
      13
      To whom to make excuses, and as if for the first time, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya is far from a complete list.
    4. tol100v
      tol100v 13 February 2016 16: 16
      +8
      Quote: MainBeam
      how they are going to justify the invasion of an independent state.

      And for them, neither the UN nor its Security Council is not a decree. What the State Department will say through a black talking head, they will do it! The fact that this mess can not do without Russia is understandable for a long time, but how large-scale, only history will show!
    5. donavi49
      donavi49 13 February 2016 16: 19
      12
      No way. Only the weak are justified.

      So, it's rather complicated here. A lot of scripts. They troops can cover their own air defense and air force. Rather, they will certainly do. The Saudis have PAK-3, and they can safely transfer 2-3 batteries to Turkey, without harming the defense of the Kingdom. Even the UAE and the Carapace were about to enter. Yes, and the Turks of Hovka with Rapiers will drag with them.

      In the first wave, 20 F-15 is now deployed - which are priority for capturing and holding air, rather than multi-functional Typhoons.

      Well, if the VKS begins to fight with the Turkish Saudis, an unpredictable number of options opens there. Moreover, Khmemim is vulnerable to attacks from the Turkish territory of ATAMAX (more than 100 vehicles - each 2 missiles), ITRM Idirim, the Turkish version of Smerch and even barreled artillery at the range range with active rockets, the base is then close to Turkey. Tartus is covered by OTRK Idirim and Atamax from Turkish territory.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 13 February 2016 16: 28
        10
        Quote: donavi49
        The Saudis have PAK-3, and they can easily transfer 2-3 batteries to Turkey without harming the defense of the Kingdom

        I strongly doubt that they will transfer air defense from Saudi Arabia near Iran, which, if Riyadh takes part in the war against Syria, could strike at it.

        By the way, only one of the Iranian representatives left us, as soon as the next week a new one arrives in Moscow - the Iranian defense minister will agree on something with Shoigu.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 13 February 2016 16: 40
          +1
          As for Iran, today it is already being courted in Turkey.
          Turkey expects Iran to end support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and cooperation with Russia on the Syrian issue, Turkish Deputy Foreign Minister Umit Yalcin said on Friday. "We hope that Iran will understand the fallacy of regional politics, including the incorrectness of actions taken in Syria. We expect from Tehran constructiveness in the implementation of regional policy. Iran should not support the Assad regime and cooperate with Russia on the issue of Syria", - said the deputy adviser of the Turkish Foreign Ministry to Anadolu agency, commenting on the results of the latest consultations at the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iran and Turkey in Ankara.

          Plus, Iran itself would not mind reconciling with the SA:
          Ban Ki-moon: "Saudi Arabia and Iran must reconcile"

          Iran and Saudi Arabia must overcome years of tensions and work for stability in Syria and the Middle Eastas stated Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif on Friday, February 12.

          Speaking at the Munich Security Conference after his Saudi Arabian counterpart, Zarif said: "We must work together".

          "Iran and Saudi Arabia cannot exclude each other from the region", - he said.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 13 February 2016 16: 53
            +5
            Quote: donavi49
            Turkey expects Iran to stop supporting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and cooperating with Russia on the Syrian issue, Turkish Deputy Foreign Minister Umit Yalchyn said on Friday.

            Naturally Iran does not want a "big" war and is ready to find a political solution even jointly with Turkey.
            Quote: donavi49
            Plus, Iran itself would not mind reconciling with the SA:
            Ban Ki-moon: "Saudi Arabia and Iran must reconcile"

            And where does the desire of the UN leader Ban Ki-moon and Iran’s actions?
            That's what the adviser to the spiritual leader of Iran on international issues, Ali Akbar Vilayati, said that he was by the way now in Moscow.
            “Iran considers it possible to create an alliance with Russia, Syria and Hezbollah.
            According to APA's Moscow correspondent, Ali Akbar Vilayati, adviser to Iran’s spiritual leader on international affairs, said this.
            “Of course, the creation of such an alliance is our ideal. If there are any weaknesses in this matter, they need to be addressed. As for Iran, we are pursuing a policy of bilateral strategic cooperation with the Russian Federation on regional issues. Of course, there are conditions for creating such an alliance, ”Vilayati noted.
            According to him, Iran, Syria, Russia and Hezbollah protect the legitimate rights of the Syrian people, as well as this country from terrorists: "The work of the joint information center created in Russia, Iran and Iraq in Baghdad is actively continuing."

            http://ru.apa.az/news/309426
          2. Odysseus
            Odysseus 13 February 2016 17: 13
            +6
            Quote: donavi49
            Turkey expects Iran to end its support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and cooperation with Russia on the Syrian issue, Turkish Deputy Foreign Minister Umit Yalcin said on Friday. “We hope that Iran will understand the erroneousness of regional policy, including the incorrectness of the actions taken in Syria.

            It is very doubtful that Iran would buy it. What is the point? In the case of the fall of Assad, they will in any case be thrown out of Syria, and then will be taken for Hezbollah.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 13 February 2016 17: 37
              -1
              Quote: Odyssey
              It is very doubtful that Iran would buy it. What is the point?

              Will not buy 100% why Iran needs Turkey and Saudi Arabia? Iran wants to create, under the auspices of Russia and China, a "Shiite belt" from Hezbollah, Syria, Iraq and Iran itself, and Sunni Turkey, as well as the PZ monarchy, are not included in its plans as allies.
              1. Odysseus
                Odysseus 13 February 2016 17: 56
                +1
                Quote: quilted jacket
                100% will not buy why Iran Turkey and Saudi Arabia?

                Here you can tie up the issue of investment and sanctions against Iran in exchange for refusing to support Assad.
                Well, I think in this case, Iran will not surrender to Syria. For them it is a matter of principle. They will surrender Syria, then Hezbollah will collapse, then Shiite Iraq, and then the question will arise about the war against Iran itself.
                Another matter is Iran’s resources are limited, there is no common border with Syria, and in order to save Syria in the event of a double invasion (from Turkey and Jordan) they will have to resort to radical measures, namely to a massive attack on ISIS in northern Iraq with to break through the land corridor to Syria.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 13 February 2016 18: 41
                  +3
                  Quote: Odyssey
                  Here you can tie up the issue of investment and sanctions against Iran in exchange for refusing to support Assad

                  Earlier, when Iran was under sanctions, it was not bought to lift them in the event of termination of aid to Syria, and now this will not happen.
                  Quote: Odyssey
                  Another matter is Iran’s resources are limited, there is no common border with Syria, and in order to save Syria in the event of a double invasion (from Turkey and Jordan) they will have to resort to radical measures, namely to a massive attack on ISIS in northern Iraq with to break through the land corridor to Syria.

                  Iran has a border with Turkey and with Saudi Arabia it is separated only by a narrow Persian Gulf so that "a lot" can happen in case of war.
            2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
              GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 February 2016 19: 20
              +1
              Quote: Odyssey
              Turkey expects Iran to end its support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and cooperation with Russia on the Syrian issue, Turkish Deputy Foreign Minister Umit Yalcin said on Friday. “We hope that Iran will understand the erroneousness of regional policy, including the incorrectness of the actions taken in Syria.
              It is very doubtful that Iran would buy it. What is the point? In the case of the fall of Assad, they will in any case be thrown out of Syria, and then will be taken for Hezbollah.

              And then they will take over Iran, etc. on the hit list!
          3. Corvetkapitan
            Corvetkapitan 13 February 2016 18: 18
            +4
            After the Saudis killed the famous Iranian preacher, they should not count on peace with Iran. Iran is buzzing like a disturbed bee swarm, Iranians are furious
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 13 February 2016 16: 43
          +7
          In the subject of Syria
          Who and how are fighting near Palmyra


          Small missile ship "Green Dol" went to the coast of Syria
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 13 February 2016 17: 20
            +3
            Assad warned Turkey and Saudi Arabia - you won’t have an easy walk


            Medvedev fought smile
            The Russian Prime Minister, in response to the insistence of Saudi Arabia to carry out a ground invasion of Syria, took a decisive stance and emphasized that an external military invasion of Syria could usher in a new world war.
          2. Corvetkapitan
            Corvetkapitan 13 February 2016 18: 22
            +1
            It’s not clear why they drove Zeleny Dol to Syria, if its rockets directly from the piers of Sevastopol shoot through all of Syria and Turkey through
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 13 February 2016 18: 34
              +1
              You can also hit "Onyxes". On ships.
            2. APASUS
              APASUS 13 February 2016 18: 50
              +2
              Quote: Corvetkapitan
              It’s not clear why they drove Zeleny Dol to Syria, if its rockets directly from the piers of Sevastopol shoot through all of Syria and Turkey through

              And if you have to fuck at the oil terminals of the CA? After all, you must somehow sober up the adversary, if he enters the war .............
            3. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 14 February 2016 00: 17
              -1
              But it doesn’t reach Saudi Arabia, more than 2500 km. will be.
              1. gispanec
                gispanec 14 February 2016 14: 04
                +1
                Quote: sharp-lad
                But it doesn’t reach Saudi Arabia, more than 2500 km. will be.

                calibers fly to 3000-3500km ... do not read Wikipedia at night ... there is so much nonsense ((
        3. Michael67
          Michael67 13 February 2016 16: 50
          +1
          Yerdagan is bluffing. I'm sure. They are cowardly in the project (in the genotype). If only staff members under zh.opu a kick, as a mongrel, will not give. Like, come on, attack ...
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 February 2016 17: 03
        12
        Quote: donavi49
        Tartus is covered by OTRK Idirim and Atamax from Turkish territory.

        Then Turkey is covered with a copper basin.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 13 February 2016 17: 28
          18
          Here the issue of the promotion of war.

          If the airborne base will take off the sides and shoot down Turkish planes / bomb Turkish troops, then it is foolish to think that no one will strike at the base.

          Turkey and the Saudis have quite a few methods to get the base and Tartus, even from the territory of Turkey:
          OTRK Idirim and ATAMAX
          300mm long-range MLRS
          Korean self-propelled guns from the border are active-reactive from the position near the balcony between Neijey and Nib Almer - 50 km to the airport.
          COM-cruise missiles with F-16, which can be launched using a jump over the mountain range and withdraw back into the shade, disrupting the capture of air defense systems.
          Harm Rocket Launch - Turkey has a Squadron trained by the US Air Force Wild Laski.


          Of course, then the otter will arrive, even in the form of Iskander-M in Ankara from the Crimea. However, the air base and naval base, even Varyag and Kulakov + Zeleny Dol are not something super-invulnerable. It’s about that one picks up the other, spinning the conflict. And everyone will understand this. That is, giving sanction to the shock / Saudi / Turki interception mission - the leadership will understand what this threatens. At the same time, Erdogan / NATO / USA will understand what threatens a blow to Khmemim. Well, etc. Each turn is getting closer and closer to Mushrooms. But jumping off is more difficult.
          1. Dalmatia
            Dalmatia 13 February 2016 18: 21
            0
            I carefully read your post twice. Question what to do?
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 13 February 2016 18: 29
              +3
              Well, every turn increases the price of getting out of the conflict. There is a question for the leaders of countries, and not for forum users.

              Plus, there is a bluff in everything, and where is the bluff - where are the intentions are questions for analysts and intelligence.

              It is optimal in case of conflict to try to sit out and collect all sorts of UNs without active missions - but this is the loss of Syria and its dismemberment, that is, a military defeat. Well, or go to the end by raising rates ...

              If you act - to conduct strike missions on the forces of invasion / interception, then again, there will be an answer, at first it will be completely, simply because Erdogan can get both the SM squadron and Khmemim on their own with high chances of success.
              1. Dalmatia
                Dalmatia 13 February 2016 19: 03
                +3
                Thanks again for the answer. As for my questions specifically to you (and not to the country's leadership), this is due to the fact that in your comments I did not see politics, but a military look at the situation. Like this)))
              2. Boatsman_Palych
                Boatsman_Palych 13 February 2016 22: 50
                +1
                It doesn’t work out. Already. And you need to try to scare. In the Caribbean crisis, Kennedy was radically influenced by the fact that a reconnaissance plane was shot down over Cuba. The top of the pin.dosov realized that the Russians were READY to fight, since the order to open fire was already given by the commander of the air defense division - they fled and retreated.
            2. gispanec
              gispanec 14 February 2016 14: 06
              0
              Quote: Dalmatia
              I carefully read your post twice. Question what to do?

              as Katz said, I propose to give up !! .. well, what kind of questions ?? .... to fight or not to fight ... here are 2 answers
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 13 February 2016 18: 24
            +1
            Quote: donavi49
            We are talking about the fact that one picks up the other, unwinding the conflict. And everyone will understand this. That is, giving sanction to the shock / Saudi / Turki interception mission - the leadership will understand what this threatens. At the same time, Erdogan / NATO / USA will understand what threatens a blow to Khmemim. Well, etc. Each coil is getting closer and closer to the Mushrooms. But getting off is becoming more difficult.

            If only no one had bitten a bit.
      3. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 13 February 2016 17: 22
        +9
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, if the VKS begins to fight with the Turkish Saudis, an unpredictable number of options opens there.

        And here there are only two options:
        - fit for the Syrians;
        - do not write for the Syrians.

        In the first case, the "calibers" will be enough to prevent the Turkish and Saudi aircraft from rising. Let's cover everyone at once. Perhaps, both Turkish air defense and armored vehicles columns. As the saying goes "global strike" in the Turkish version. (Interestingly, the Tu-160 has already begun to drive "carousel" to the southern borders?)

        But then again two options:
        - NATO will enter for Turkey;
        - NATO will not fit in with Turkey.

        The first option is a lot of screaming.
        The second option is a lot of corpses. And, not, not so - all the corpses.

        .
        1. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia 13 February 2016 18: 25
          +2
          NATO will fight with us what units, which country, the United States?
          1. Mainbeam
            Mainbeam 14 February 2016 00: 23
            +1
            Quote: Dalmatia
            What units will NATO fight with us

            Very good question. And one more question: where to fight with us.

            In the event of a war between the Russian Federation and Turkey, the question will arise of protecting the NATO country.

            Now there is a question about the readiness of the states for a "quick global strike" against the Russian Federation. The moment of the strike is not important, i.e. it can be assumed that after the start of the war between Turkey and the Russian Federation, some time may pass, and only then this blow will be delivered. Drive submarines to our shores, drive up aircraft carriers, and prepare strategic aviation.

            At the beginning of military clashes between Turkey and the Russian Federation, the troops of all NATO countries will lead to increased combat readiness. After inflicting a "quick global strike" even with the use of tactical nuclear weapons, all countries, including China, will want to divide our territories. So all countries will participate without a single control center. As during the civil war in Russia in 1917-1922.

            There are several points:
            - the readiness of the Yankos for a "global strike";
            - our ability to withstand global shock;
            - our desire in retaliation to launch a nuclear strike against North America;
            - Arab spring in Europe;
            - black and white war in the states.

            All questions can be answered in the affirmative. And all this can happen at the same time. Then we will remain alone on earth with civilized personalities. Also Australia. Here it is necessary to bomb it first of all.

            If the states are not ready for an exchange of nuclear strikes, if they are not ready for a "quick global strike," then there will be no confrontation between the Russian Federation and the United States in the Middle East. Let's roll Turkey and Saudi Arabia with Qatar under the sand.

            Here are just such options came to mind.

            And the question was really good, because behind all this political husk, when the question comes to specific details, the whole theory ends. Will the states fight with us in a local conflict on non-neutral territory? Only with their troops or with the engagement of the British or Finns? Or only with the wrong hands? There are also Greeks - although NATO members, but Orthodox - will they fight with us?

            The hands of the Turks and Saudis cannot be defeated. Engaging the British or Canadians in the war in Syria is just as pointless. Only in parts. But then, by mutual agreement between the Russian Federation and the United States, the conflict between the Russian Federation and the United States should not go beyond the Middle East. With the fear of a joint nuclear strike, this is possible. But the logistics component for the Middle East is better with us.
            1. Dalmatia
              Dalmatia 14 February 2016 00: 58
              0
              I read your post in one breath, I wonder how.
              You know, I’m not worried about the territory of the Russian Federation, but about our air base in Syria. It seems to me that they will not strike at the territory of Russia, but they can strike at the air base. And I'm afraid of that.
              1. Mainbeam
                Mainbeam 14 February 2016 01: 21
                0
                Quote: Dalmatia
                but at the air base

                They are ready for this.
            2. Mainbeam
              Mainbeam 14 February 2016 01: 09
              0
              Quote: MainBeam
              Will the states fight with us in local conflict

              This is only one side. And the war is like a smokescreen. There is also politics. Now, behind this conflict, almost no one pays attention to topics such as "Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement"And"Service Trade Agreement (STU)".

              First of all, STU destroys the social functions of the state (education, health, utilities), which will be transferred to supranational structures. Next, state regulation of the financial sector of the economy will be eliminated. First of all, it is insurance and banks. They must also be regulated by supranational bodies. STU provides for further liberalization of financial markets. The most important part of the upcoming financial reform is the transfer of money circulation completely into non-cash form. It is easier to manage the process of “consumption of services” by citizens. It will be very simple to turn off unwanted citizens from the “services” system.

              http://subscribe.ru/group/razumno-o-svoem-i-nabolevshem/11085436/

      4. Legionnaire
        Legionnaire 13 February 2016 20: 03
        +3
        First you need to understand - who in this home-grown coalition is really combat-ready and will get into trouble, and who just for the sake of help will send a couple of planes to help .. Countries like Saudi Arabia, the UAE and other Middle Eastern rich misunderstandings will not go into the hell unequivocally. The battles with the Hussites showed what the military in these countries are capable of and, as with the overwhelming superiority in technology and, most importantly, in money, mediocrely leave the battlefield behind the enemy. Turkey will climb on the rampage, sort of like armaments, equipment, the size of the army allows it (against Syria, of course), but we monitor the accumulations of equipment, the OTRK, the accumulations of aircraft at airfields and other fuss. All these are excellent stationary targets for our cruise missiles of all types of basing, and in case of a sudden massive strike a lot will be erased from the face of the earth. Why wait for the take-off of a large aviation group from bases in Turkey if it can be destroyed on the ground? Well, you have to understand that in addition to striking directly at the troops, you can hit large industrial facilities ... Reluctance to be cynical and reason as much as possible to bite, but with a big mess, everything will go into action.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 13 February 2016 20: 43
          +2
          Saudis transfer troops and planes to Incirlik base (Turkey)

          Quote: Legionnaire
          Why wait for a large aviation group to take off from bases in Turkey if it can be destroyed on the ground?

          One problem - Incirlik - is an American base, although it is located in Turkey ..
    6. sir_obs
      sir_obs 13 February 2016 16: 49
      +2
      Then they will come up with an excuse, as long as they have enough of what they have already piled up about the unfortunate refugees fleeing Assad and Russia. We need to actively form the correct perception in the Western public. And it’s time to no longer justify ourselves, but to form among Europeans and others united with them, that if something happens, the final will be one, complete kirdyk to everyone. If the situation is escalated according to the current scenario to the state of a big war, then everyone will have a problem as much as possible. Well, with the exception of those who will no longer be at all.
      The problem with refugees will seem against the background of other problems so insatiable that the survivors will envy the dead. Somehow it is necessary to form public opinion.
      1. aleks26
        aleks26 13 February 2016 18: 48
        +1
        Quote: sir_obs
        and to form among Europeans and others united with them, that in case of something, the final will be one, full kirdyk to everyone.

        To do this, IMMEDIATELY, at the very beginning of the conflict, apply tactical nuclear weapons. Only this will convince ALL of the seriousness of Russia's intentions.
    7. Viktor2410
      Viktor2410 13 February 2016 18: 19
      +1
      Of course they are sure, because they are in the NATO coalition and think that Russia will not risk daring to attack them. Our plane was shot down, and this indicates their belief in impunity.
    8. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 13 February 2016 18: 22
      +4
      Quote: MainBeam
      But it is interesting, how are they going to justify the invasion of an independent state? Are they ready to substitute themselves for the attacks of the Russian Aerospace Forces, or do they think that the Syrians will "swallow" the seizure of their territory? Or are they sure that NATO will fully fit in with the Turks and Saudis?

      They justify the invasion and are not going to. For four days they have been trying to say that in the Aleppo region, the "peaceful" population is suffering from the attacks of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the SAA. So the invasion will be presented to the world as a "humanitarian" operation aimed at forcing the "aggressor" into peace.
      The fall of Aleppo and its transfer to the control of the Syrian army will be a serious strategic defeat for the anti-Assad forces, so they want to keep it at any cost.
      Perhaps the buildup of forces from Turkey and Saidov Arabia is a demonstration of the seriousness of intentions to stop the offensive on the bearded "under the threat of invasion and give the United States a trump card" in the negotiations on Syria, which, incidentally, Kerry made a reservation with an emphasis on "IF".
      Are you at risk? Given the fact that the Turkish Air Force destroyed our aircraft, what was done, also shortly after the statements of the American side that the Russians will soon suffer losses, is quite possible.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 16: 07
    11
    Okay. With this, on the whole, everything is clear. It remains, only one question, how much we get into it.
    And yet, I'm fucking more and more, from the presence of a large number of very stupid people on the site who live in some imaginary world of their own.
    1. onix757
      onix757 13 February 2016 16: 10
      -18 qualifying.
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Okay. With this, on the whole, everything is clear. It remains, only one question, how much we get into it.

      Do not fit. Power is weak, there is no economy, there is nothing to answer except for the Soviet legacy in the form of nuclear weapons
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      2. cniza
        cniza 13 February 2016 16: 20
        10
        Already climbed. Now we need to correctly distribute forces and resources and diplomatic work that would not allow us to unleash a great war.
        1. onix757
          onix757 13 February 2016 16: 34
          +8
          Quote: cniza
          Now we need to correctly distribute forces and resources and diplomatic work that would not allow us to unleash a great war.

          You see, in the world such a message will be perceived as weakness and the war will come faster than we expect. Only before a real threat do the Americans press on the brakes, if not, then they don’t feel a threat to their existence.
          1. cniza
            cniza 13 February 2016 16: 48
            +5
            Quote: onix757
            [You see, in the world such a message will be perceived as weakness and the war will come faster than we expect. Only before a real threat do the Americans press on the brakes, if not, then they don’t feel a threat to their existence.


            For this, we demonstrate strength in Syria, so that we would not rock the boat, at the same time we are helping Assad and the people of Syria to get rid of the barmaley, something like that. wink
            1. onix757
              onix757 13 February 2016 17: 06
              +2
              Quote: cniza
              For this, we demonstrate strength in Syria, so that we would not rock the boat, at the same time we are helping Assad and the people of Syria to get rid of the barmaley, something like that.

              But the idea is not to demonstrate power (which the West does not perceive as a threat), but to fulfill allied commitments. In other words, if there was a desire to save Syria and Assad, it would be necessary to strangle the animals in the bud i.e. 4 years ago. The entry of the Russian Federation into the company when Syria is in ruins, and the miserable remnants of the army are left only delay the sad ending. Now you may wonder why 4 years ago they did not come out to defend Syria.
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 13 February 2016 17: 24
                +2
                Quote: onix757
                But the point of the venture is not to demonstrate power (which the West does not perceive as a threat), but to fulfill allied obligations

                How does the use of videoconferencing strategists and the most modern KR relate to your postulate? Lack of tactical PSUs and do you need to beat them strategic?
                Or a subtle hint of a thick circumstance .. Of course, the Turks can also fire at our base and send troops to Syria, several dozens of Tu-95, Tu-22 and a dozen Tu-160 are armed with the airborne forces .. Turks don’t have the strength and ability to drown out glonass, missile launches from over Iran / Iraq, with a flight through Syria, do not even give Turkey a chance to secure its front lines.
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 17: 26
                +6
                Quote: onix757
                In other words, if there was a desire to save Syria and Assad, then the animals had to be strangled in the bud i.e. 4 years ago.

                During these 4 years, hundreds of helicopters and planes have been delivered. Ships and boats with Caliber and Caliber themselves riveted.
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      3. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 13 February 2016 16: 22
        +2
        Quote: onix757
        Do not fit. Power is weak, there is no economy, there is nothing to answer except for the Soviet legacy in the form of nuclear weapons

        The conclusion is similar to reality, but the argument is not accurate.

        The Soviet legacy is quite enough for the Turks and Saudis to be laid on fire.
        Even without direct clashes, especially. if you don’t stand on ceremony and hit the territory of Armenia and from the Crimea.

        The problem is in the state of society.
        not all are active readers and writers of VO. Many are generally corrupted ....

        Although there are many correct boys, their real knowledge and training in military-technical activities is clearly not the same as during the OSOVIAHIM (Society for the Assistance to Defense, Aviation and Chemical Construction) on the eve of 1941.
        And then that level of training was not enough ...
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 16: 28
        10
        Quote: onix757
        Do not fit. Power is weak, there is no economy, there is nothing to answer except for the Soviet legacy in the form of nuclear weapons

        Already climbed! And stop whining, tired already.
        1. onix757
          onix757 13 February 2016 16: 36
          -12 qualifying.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Already climbed! And stop whining, tired already.

          Where did you get in? You could only scare everyone with your ears lol
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    3. RUSS
      RUSS 13 February 2016 16: 14
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      some kind of imaginary world.

      Why imaginary, there is an almost real-world famous call of duty laughing , so many think on the forum as if the world is our game.
    4. yuriy55
      yuriy55 13 February 2016 16: 17
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Okay. With this, on the whole, everything is clear. It remains, only one question,how much we get into it.


      Well, frankly, have already entered. We will figure out how much we fit in based on the situation. One thing is 100% clear: the surrender of our positions in Syria will be a political failure. Hence the conclusion is one. The world should hear not only the representatives of our air forces and political leadership, but also the highest official of Syria. It is from his lips that words should be heard about an adequate response to aggression against their own country ... even if the assistance of the RF Armed Forces is provided.

      About the Collective Security Treaty Organization, too, correctly noted. Confirmation in words by heads of entities of their readiness to enter into compliance with security obligations should sound more often, loudly and clearly.
    5. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 13 February 2016 16: 20
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Okay. With this, on the whole, everything is clear. It remains, only one question, how much we get into it.
      And yet, I'm fucking more and more, from the presence of a large number of very stupid people on the site who live in some imaginary world of their own.

      And about "the claw got stuck .." Have you heard?
      And we seem to have nowhere to go. There is Iran, it does not care who goes where.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 13 February 2016 16: 46
        0
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        There is Iran, it does not care who goes where.

        Well, yes, BASF has already entered Iran with 4 billion investments. Does Iran need this "arrival" to stop?
    6. Tusv
      Tusv 13 February 2016 16: 38
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It remains, only one question, how much we get into it.

      "On a golden clump sat: tsar, king and prince" - a children's counting room, but according to the photo from Munich, Tsar - Kerry, King - Lavrov, Korolevich-Steimayer, and no one will ask the Turks with the Saudis. Even Brit and Franks. They stink on bamazhka as expected
    7. Odysseus
      Odysseus 13 February 2016 16: 47
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Okay, with this, in general, everything is clear

      The Saudis did transfer the F-15S for the Turks. To be honest, I did not believe them. The Turks do not need their "troops", but the F-15 regiment is serious.
      It is evident for the United States the issue with Syria is fundamental if they managed to put so much pressure on the Saudis that they are ready to help the Turks on the northern front.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 13 February 2016 17: 52
        +3
        Quote: Odyssey
        but the F-15 regiment is serious

        A curious argument. The most powerful NATO pepelats to this day
  • severbob
    severbob 13 February 2016 16: 10
    +3
    the opening of a second front is not far off
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  • valent45
    valent45 13 February 2016 16: 11
    +3
    Outlaws, damn it. Have you asked Syria or the Security Council, at least? Snoozing? Get it!
  • barclay
    barclay 13 February 2016 16: 14
    +6
    ... and the Iranians and Russians will not force him to do what they promised (and what and to whom did "they" promise? - approx. "VO"), then ...
    As far as I remember, we promised to continue air support of Assad’s troops until their need is required to complete the entire ground operation to destroy extremists and illegal armed groups. I have not heard about other promises.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 13 February 2016 16: 52
      +2
      Russia has proposed delaying the introduction of a ceasefire in Syria until March 1.
    2. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 13 February 2016 17: 40
      0
      Duck, the main thing is to sing - Russia promised ... And what it promised is of no interest to anyone. Again a "test tube with powder".
  • KBR109
    KBR109 13 February 2016 16: 15
    +5
    Turkey is mobilizing reservists. In the presence of anti-Russian hysteria. This is reported in Russian-speaking social networks by Turkish (former Azerbaijani) citizens. They shout - we’ll tear, they say, the Russian Neo-Empire. It is worth taking care of the Moscow region - about 10% of the population they are. what I read on Mediametrix today.
    1. shans2
      shans2 13 February 2016 16: 19
      +3
      After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, everyone remembers what they did to the Japanese on the territory of their residence in the USA?)
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 13 February 2016 16: 28
        +7
        With the high bribe-taking of our bureaucrats, one cannot be sure of anything. And we do not have these workers at construction sites, you yourself know.
  • vic58
    vic58 13 February 2016 16: 20
    0
    Caption under the photo: "Don't wait for me mom,
    Good Saudi ... " bully
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  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 February 2016 16: 21
    +3
    No, well, the Ottomans, they are understandable, the shores have completely lost, and now they will rake in full, as soon as they move troops across the border of Syria. IMHO, they could have - they've already moved, they've moved into Iraq out there - and nothing, the people "got drunk" and quieted down. Iraqi Kurds agreed with the Turks! But the Turks do not expect such complaisance from the Syrians. As well as from our videoconferencing, which is difficult to accuse of both sentimentality and lack of professionalism. Well, "Caliber" again, from the Caspian and the Black Sea. Uncompromising and deadly. Who does not care whether you have air defense or not. This is not for you to muzzle Kurds with kalach and RPGs.
    Where are these Saudis? With their "steers" against "Calibers"!
  • SPACE
    SPACE 13 February 2016 16: 21
    +3
    "members of the world community certainly won't sit like idiots"

    Even if they stop sitting vseravno remain boobies.
    1. Redman
      Redman 13 February 2016 19: 12
      +2
      I apologize! I wanted a plus and accidentally pressed a minus! request
  • voyaka23
    voyaka23 13 February 2016 16: 22
    0
    no longer funny soldier
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 13 February 2016 16: 23
    0
    Apparently the impostors do not want to live so much that they are ready for anything. Probably have to respect!
  • Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 13 February 2016 16: 30
    +2
    You need to crush them to the end. Otherwise, oil will be at bargain prices.
    Since the Russian economy is dependent on the oil dollar.
    Otherwise, krants!

    Syria is completely freed from all types of terrorists and interventionists. Then prices normalize for energy.
  • Egor123
    Egor123 13 February 2016 16: 32
    +3
    Correctly said the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the SAR!
    We must send them home in coffins!
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 13 February 2016 16: 33
    +1
    Those gangsters who stand in line at the Turkish border cried so hard that they were not only bombed but simply killed like jackals, that together with them they all howled and began to feel sorry for each other. Just let Assad ask if they need help? Otherwise, they are aggressors with all conclusions.
  • Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 13 February 2016 16: 34
    +7
    Q.E.D. Turkey is too accustomed to stealing oil in Syria, and the United States has always loved to fight with Russia, with the wrong hands. It is enough to recall how all these Saudis fought against Russia in Chechnya, on the side of Dudayev and how Dudaev supported Turkey. And in the United States they even shot a movie in which the terrorist Basayev is called a patriot and hero. I sincerely wish the United States more patriots, such as Basayev, for them to kill children and pregnant women in the United States, then it may reach the United States, whom they supported in Chechnya, against Russia.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 13 February 2016 16: 36
    +3
    Everything goes to the point that Russia can use Sineva and Mace with simple warheads and tear down everything that will impede our VKS in Syria.
    Only goals can be not only in Syria or Turkey ... but also in Saudi Arabia ... Qatar and other oil countries that will get involved in this adventure.
    Then oil will jump at 300 bakers at least ... by the way, this suits America for all 101 percent.
    1. onix757
      onix757 13 February 2016 16: 41
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      Everything goes to the point that Russia can use Sineva and Mace with simple warheads and tear down everything that will hinder our VKS in Syria

      Whether the early detection system does not understand "simple" warheads there or special ones, and therefore a response will come instantly.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 February 2016 19: 38
        -1
        Quote: onix757
        Quote: Strashila
        Everything goes to the point that Russia can use Sineva and Mace with simple warheads and tear down everything that will hinder our VKS in Syria
        Whether the early detection system does not understand "simple" warheads there or special ones, and therefore a response will come instantly.

        From Turkey, Qatar and CA? How will they answer?
        A couple of "Governors can then be launched, so to speak, to extend the service life! By warning the" partners "of course!
    2. aleks26
      aleks26 13 February 2016 19: 10
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      Everything goes to the point that Russia can use Sineva and Mace with simple warheads and tear down everything that will impede our VKS in Syria.

      Stupid. Very expensive and not rational. Half a ton is a ton of simple explosives? Or how many is there? If they take out calibers and all sorts of Huuu, why waste such an expensive folk property. It's generally not clear why - such a fool with a simple "head part". By the way, what was not the bomb test in Syria?
  • From Samara
    From Samara 13 February 2016 16: 42
    0
    Heh. These warriors' pants will fall off from the very first mess ...
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 13 February 2016 16: 42
    0
    Rhetoric is the most warlike. Russia’s participation in the conflict is resolutely and categorically stated. Converging attacks from Turkey and Jordan can change the course of the war. What will happen to flight safety then?
    Saudi Arabian Foreign Ministry: "Assad will not be in power in Syria"

    Bashar al-Assad will not rule in Syria in the future and Russia's military intervention will not help him stay in power, Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubair told a German newspaper in an interview published on Saturday, February 13.
    "Bashar al-Assad will not be in power in the future," al-Jubair told the Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper.
    "It may take three months, it may take six months or three years. But he will no longer be in power in Syria," he said.
    Saying that the Syrian people are determined to overthrow Assad despite Russian air strikes and domestic persecution, al-Jubair criticized Russia's participation in the five-year war.
    "Assad is calling for help from the Russians, but they will not be able to help him," al-Jubeir stressed.http://mignews.com/news/politic/130216_130232_15736.html
  • private person
    private person 13 February 2016 16: 43
    -9
    Something a lot of brave statements about an imminent victory, but Russia does not need a war. We have only one thing left to fight with the whole world (NATO), or leave Syria to tear the jackals to pieces. Sofa Generals Are you ready to get up from the sofas and go to war? Or only at the fifth point shout Hurray !!!!
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 13 February 2016 17: 21
      +2
      Professionals are at war. We are a support group. We work in the rear. We do not need a war "with the whole world", that is, with NATO. But Hitler still attacked, he had to. And now I have to, no matter how I would like. The probability is very high, we see from the conference.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 February 2016 18: 46
        -5
        Nobody needs such support in the rear.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 February 2016 18: 47
        -4
        And in the UN, how many states?
    2. Dam
      Dam 13 February 2016 23: 49
      +4
      I am. And nobody will ask you. Agenda - commissar - reserve division - front. And most importantly, we have no choice or the bearded ones will come to our territory, cut their heads to us, rape our wives and take our children into slavery. If for the sake of truth it is necessary to evaporate several buffer states of mongrel satanists of mattresses, then I am for it.
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 13 February 2016 16: 44
    +2
    If the Turks conceive an invasion of Syria, the others will get on their backs, the NATO bloc will not dare to fight, except that they will tighten sanctions, because in their rear they have an army of unarmed migrants who can act in a coordinated manner. Does the "coalition" have many warriors? Who will be able to show heroism, and not only inform Alla in all Ivanovskaya. How many wars have the Saudis ended victoriously? And the Turks? Where are their generals? No one is remembered
  • ganesh
    ganesh 13 February 2016 16: 47
    +4
    America wins in any situation: if the Turks and their Arabs invade Syria, then Russia and Iran will certainly come out on the side of Syria and, then, a big mess will begin. There, Iraq will harness itself, etc. the war of all against everyone in the entire Middle East will begin. Oil quotations will soar and on the one hand it will be a plus for us. America will also benefit, and in two: this way the shale industry is saved, plus it receives a lot of orders from America’s industrial complex. Moreover, the Arabs in unlike the same Syria and Iran, there is real money. Russia, at best, will have to be content with the laurels of a fighter for justice as usual. That, however, is also a rather big bonus.
  • KnightRider
    KnightRider 13 February 2016 16: 50
    +3
    The press service of the Black Sea Fleet told Interfax on Saturday that two ships went from Sevastopol to the Mediterranean Sea to fulfill planned tasks as part of a permanent naval group: a missile ship Green Dol and the minesweeper Kovrovets. The press service noted that the ships entered the far sea zone in accordance with the plan of rotation of forces.
    The week promises to be interesting. There is a "game of nerves" - the more successfully the troops of Assad and their allies act, recapturing the territory from the Ishil, the more heart-rending squeals in the west, in Turkey and the SA. While the diplomats are talking in Munich and looking for options for resolving the crises, the military is deploying troops and aircraft, conducting mobilization and exercises. How will it end, will anyone lose their nerves, will a new war break out?
  • 31rus
    31rus 13 February 2016 16: 51
    +5
    Dear, all your slogans that the Syrian army will cause unacceptable damage to the coalition, fiction, the Turks are able to defeat the Syrians, and very quickly, do not forget that with the onset of the Turkish invasion, the militants will climb out of all the cracks, one hope is Russia and Iran The Syrian army is stretched across the country, and the Turks will target in a targeted manner, so that ceasefire negotiations are very beneficial for us, in terms of preparing for a possible attack, concentrate and carry out all the necessary measures
    1. cyber
      cyber 14 February 2016 14: 50
      +1
      Do not give focus. The ceasefire is now beneficial only to ISIS militants and their sponsors. Regrouped, join the ranks and into battle.
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    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null 14 February 2016 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: cyber
      The ceasefire is now beneficial only to ISIS militants and their sponsors. Regrouped, join the ranks and into battle

      Can you put two and two together?

      The negotiators in Munich agreed on a ceasefire in Syria within a week. This was announced by US Secretary of State John Kerry at the final press conference. The communiqué of the International Syria Support Group states that the opposition and the Assad government must confirm compliance. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that ceasefire will not apply to groups recognized as terrorist

      Guess Three Times - about whom exactly said Lavrov?

      Quote: 31rus
      ceasefire negotiations are very beneficial to us

      Exactly. At least because while these negotiations are ongoing - the Turks and Saudis are not particularly jerking (firing across the border - do not remember, they have such customs there), and ISIS-o-DAISH-it is both wool and wool ..

      Oh how belay
      1. cyber
        cyber 14 February 2016 20: 49
        0
        Cat man null, do you accidentally remind someone there in Syria recognized as the opposition? Give at least the names of opposition groups or their location ... because I cannot find this list on the Internet. Or is everyone except ISIS and Al Nusra the opposition? How will they be sorted?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 14 February 2016 21: 12
          +1
          Quote: cyber
          Cat Man Null, do you by any chance remind who was recognized as the opposition in Syria? Give at least the names of opposition groups or their location ... because I cannot find this list on the Internet. Or is everyone except ISIS and Al Nusra the opposition?

          request

          Here you are better off to Lavrov, probably ..

          Quote: cyber
          How will they be sorted?

          Most likely - on readiness to cooperate with the Syrian Armed Forces against the "bad guys". The bad guys will be appointed, or have already been appointed. The groups you mentioned are exactly included in this list.

          Those who agree to "be friends" against them are the "moderate opposition".

          Something like this..
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  • magirus401
    magirus401 13 February 2016 16: 53
    -3
    Somehow these warriors look pale, or rather do not look like warriors, of course, any warriors are not good, but without combat experience, either, you can see our pilots and anti-aircraft gunners will be trained for real purposes, and not only they, but also cool impulses to fight other hangers-on
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 13 February 2016 16: 58
    +2
    It could mean either
    1) The Saudis and K decided to postpone the invasion in the south and, as usual, fight with someone else's hands, in this case the Turkish ones providing only the F-15 regiment for the "coalition". This is a good option.
    2) The Saudis will combine a ground attack from the south with the help of the Turks in the north. This is a bad option.
    The Saudi army itself does not pose a special threat (unlike the Turkish army), but the combined combination of two holes on the borders (in the north and in the south) with unlimited supply of militants + a possible air attack in the north with the help of the Saudis put Syria in a very difficult position.
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 13 February 2016 17: 01
    +5
    Saudi Arabia, in addition to supporting ISIS, in collusion with the US and the EU, is directly involved in economic sabotage against Russia, that is, it is waging an undeclared war. Surprisingly, there are no intelligible retaliatory actions on the part of Russia. Another friend of the bandits is Turkey. another. Familiar Turks, who recently voted with two hands for Erdogan, hoping for a stable economy and politics, now do not know how to get rid of this national leader and his gang as quickly as possible. In any case, if these ISIS sponsors are not suppressed, the war will never will not stop. All these negotiations with Kerry and the EU representatives are just an attempt to gain time. They always do this when they start beating, remember the same Donbass. I hope there are enough bombs? Is this the best argument in all negotiations.
    1. Dam
      Dam 13 February 2016 23: 52
      0
      A big tooth has already grown on the Saudis. It’s not time to finish their dynasty. I think Comrade Kadyrov will be a worthy President of the Republic of Arabia
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 13 February 2016 17: 12
    +1
    But this is interesting, how are they going to justify the invasion of an independent state?
    Are they ready to substitute themselves under the attacks of the Russian Aerospace Forces, or do they think that the Syrians will "swallow" the seizure of their territory?
    Or are you sure that NATO will fit in for the Turks and Saudis in full?

    The videoconferencing will not bomb them, the Saudis and Turks will calmly fight against the SAA, while Assad and the GDP will be silent.
    1. iouris
      iouris 13 February 2016 18: 30
      +2
      Only the RF Ministry of Defense is justified: it presents pictures. Did it help a lot? For the United States, these shots present either carpet bombing "stupid bombs" of civilians, or high-precision strikes of the coalition.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 13 February 2016 17: 17
    +6
    If Assad does not fulfill his commitments, and the Iranians and Russians do not force him to do what they promised (and what did they “promise” to whom?), The members of the world community will certainly not sit like boobies and just watch this. In case of failure of the peace negotiations plan, the likelihood of sending ground forces to Syria is high.

    This statement is already sufficient reason for Syria, with the support of Russia, to sharply raise at the UN the issue of an openly preparing attack on a UN member, the state of Syria (no one deprived Assad and his government of the right to represent the Syrian state) by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc. countries of the so-called "coalition"! At the same time, it would probably be advisable for the Syrians to make a warning statement that the aircraft of countries that do not have permission from the Syrian government to fly over Syrian territory will be considered aggressor aircraft and will go astray! The Russian Aerospace Forces should also make their statement on this matter! Obviously, the time has come when you DON'T DO without a public accusation of the impending aggression against Syria by the so-called "coalition" (obviously, the very anti-terrorist coalition created by the United States)! It is better to do this first, so that the United States, together with its allies in the "anti-terrorist" coalition, are not the first to raise a wave in the media and the UN and hang "all dogs" on Syria and Russia!
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 13 February 2016 17: 26
      +6
      Amazing - nearby. Aggression is preparing, the UN is powerless.
      1. cyber
        cyber 14 February 2016 14: 44
        0
        Amazing? Yes, this is commonplace
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  • ML-334
    ML-334 13 February 2016 17: 17
    -5
    Inflict remote mining on the invading troops, whatever the civilians sign, and one "caliber" is enough for all this "army" to crap.
  • Papapg
    Papapg 13 February 2016 17: 27
    +1
    ISIS is the American plan to destabilize the world in order to preserve its currency. If the US dollar loses its significance, the US will come to an end imperceptibly, a country with an internal debt of this magnitude will fall apart into separate states, the mattress is the mattress. I think that our "peacekeepers" should be brought in to control the liberated territories of the SAR.
  • Michael67
    Michael67 13 February 2016 17: 34
    0
    Quote: onix757
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Already climbed! And stop whining, tired already.

    Where did you get in? You could only scare everyone with your ears lol

    Are you a ham chtol? Cover the fountain. (swearing).
  • Vladimir K
    Vladimir K 13 February 2016 17: 40
    +7
    Considering that we did not surrender Syria then, now we will not surrender. A detached Georgian in 2008 tried to solve his problems under cover from overseas. Everyone knows what came of it. But the Russian army of the 2008 sample and the 2016 sample is significantly different, and not quantitatively, but qualitatively. The military tasks of supporting the Syrians can be solved much more subtly. In the event of a military conflict, even though Turkey is a NATO member, hardly anyone will help her directly. There should be no direct attack on Turkey. In any case, how this gamble can end, God only knows, and the elections in America in November will not go well for the loser.
  • Viktor2410
    Viktor2410 13 February 2016 17: 45
    +1
    I think Assad needs to warn Turkey and Co. that their land invasion of Syria will be perceived as an attack on an independent state.
  • Vyatsky
    Vyatsky 13 February 2016 17: 54
    +3
    It's time to blow dust off a military card
  • sergant67
    sergant67 13 February 2016 17: 57
    +1
    If I am not mistaken...
    but the time has come, gentlemen, comrades,
    when everyone has to tell themselves
    if he is ready to give the most valuable if necessary ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 13 February 2016 18: 37
      -1
      Here, Almost Everyone is ready to press the red button, but they cannot reach, and no one asks us.
      Or maybe a "new Munich" is being prepared: "they wanted to get peace at the expense of shame, but they got shame and war."
  • private person
    private person 13 February 2016 18: 02
    -9
    Yeah, the couch generals minus, it’s easier to write gallant komintarii correctly than to crawl on a belly under artillery fire.
  • donavi49
    donavi49 13 February 2016 18: 09
    +2
    Well, the first provocations went:
    Turkish Prime Minister said - the upcoming military operation will extend to the Kurds. They seem to have maneuvered, cutting off the arms supplies of the Turkish PKK, betraying fugitive Turkish Kurds, letting in Turkomans, etc.
    #BREAKING Turkey PM threatens military action against Syrian Kurdish rebels in Syria
    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/698511693752750084

    Already they write that the artillery of Turkey began to cover the Kurds going to Azaz:
    Breaking News: Turkish Artillery is shelling YPG positions in the villages that they have recently captured in North Aleppo Countryside
    Turkish Artillery is shelling YPG positions near Azaz
    Turkey shelling Kurdish fighters around Azaz #Syria now - eye witnesses tell @akhbar
    Turkish Artillery is shelling Maarnaz and Menagh Airbase
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 13 February 2016 18: 57
      +1
      Quote: donavi49
      Turkish Prime Minister said

      They speak and make too many threatening statements, this is a sign of fear and weakness, on the other hand, the promise promised to such people must be somehow fulfilled. And what can be relatively safe options for invading and at the same time fulfilling one’s interests, this is an invasion of Syria’s border regions for disassembly with the Syrian Kurds and the seizure of the oil east of Syria under the guise of fighting the igil, and this threatens the partition of Syria and a precedent for Ukraine, in direct conflict with CAA and VKS will not go.
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 13 February 2016 18: 18
    0
    In the event of a failure in the peace negotiations plan, it is highly likely that land forces will be sent to Syria.
    Everyone already knows what Assad said about "any aggression". We, gentlemen, have a third world war less than a minute! And on hand she only "Wall Street", and Uncle Sam, as always in chocolate, at the expense of everyone else.
    1. Vladimir K
      Vladimir K 13 February 2016 18: 39
      +2
      If, God forbid, World War 3 begins in the final stage, then ocean waves will run through the place of Albion, and I don’t want to think about what will be beyond the ocean. And you say that someone will be in chocolate. No need to joke on this topic.
      1. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer 14 February 2016 05: 11
        +1
        And no one is joking. First of all, secondly, who is talking about the final stage? Until the final stage, I will say cynically to these gentlemen, it is NOT FAVORABLE! And about such global changes in geology, as you mean, sorry, but this is a double-edged sword. It is impossible to do something unambiguously bad "there", that would remain good or even bearable "here." And I do not at all doubt the power of our weapons, and the strength of the fighting spirit of the Russian Federation.

        PS
        Quote from the Munich Security Conference. Sorry, not mine, but the prime minister of the Russian Federation.

        Dmitry Medvedev: "Is there really a need for a third world shake-up to understand the need for cooperation?"



        1. Vladimir K
          Vladimir K 14 February 2016 12: 16
          0
          And the 3rd world, which you mentioned at the beginning, what is this? A war between Russia and Turkey, or the Saudis, or Qatar? Without the participation of the West on the side of these scumbags? This is one thing. And if the West sticks in and ours resist, that's different. Unfortunately, in the second variant, the final stage may also come. And about the strength of our weapons, no one doubts, in a ground operation (without nuclear weapons) we will "wipe the nose" of any enemy.
      2. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer 14 February 2016 05: 39
        0
        What would Uncle Sam do something with his own hands? What he will do for sure is to fan the conflict and profit from it.
  • onix757
    onix757 13 February 2016 18: 27
    -1
    RF may reduce ppoison of import duties on agricultural productsnot represented by Russian manufacturers, deputy mayor said
    MUNICH, February 13. / TASS /. List of Russian-Turkish contracts not subject to sanctionssubmitted to the government. This was stated by TASS Deputy Minister of Economic Development of the Russian Federation Alexei Likhachev.
    According to him, hundreds of companies on the list, including applications of Sberbank.
    More on TASS:
    http://tass.ru/ekonomika/2664344
    ---------------------------------------
    On the issue of national pride of Russian elites
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 13 February 2016 18: 35
      +4
      Quote: onix757
      On the issue of national pride of Russian elites

      Ay, cheerful. You are a guy, however. laughing

      Well, here's about the "pride of American .. companies", then, perhaps:

      Quote: http://id-bedretdinov.ru/journals/journal-aero/news-aero/48-v-ssha-razvernulas-b
      orba-za-raketnyy-dvigatel-rd-180-iz-rossii.html
      Two US space companies are quarreling over the Russian RD-180 engine manufactured by NPO Energomash, designed for middle-class launch vehicles.

      US antitrust services suspect the United Launch Alliance of not giving its rival Orbital Sciences the opportunity to buy these engines for its Antares rocket.

      The US Federal Trade Commission has launched an antitrust investigation into a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and the Boeing United Launch Alliance (ULA), which is developing rocket launchers and launching satellites for government use.
      It is suspected of illegally depriving competitors of access to critical components from contractor RD Amross, which, in turn, depriving them of the opportunity to fully participate in tenders. This was reported by Reuters, at the disposal of which were the documents of the Federal Trade Commission

      And there it is - soooo sanctions against the Russian Federation ..

      However - grandmother to frostbite his ears to spite - no one in the US is going to.

      As, however, in the Russian Federation.

      And this is normal
      yes
      1. onix757
        onix757 13 February 2016 19: 27
        -5
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Well, here's about the "pride of American .. companies", then, perhaps:

        No, it's you funny) The fact is that a) the Russian Federation is more interested in selling than they are in buying b) they do not consider it necessary to exchange for small things in the name of more.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 13 February 2016 19: 52
          +4
          Quote: onix757
          Russia is more interested in selling than they are in buying

          Yeah .. only they don’t have an alternative to the same RD-180, and it’s not expected so far .. but they are doing this RD-180 two kilometers from my house, and I'm just a little bit on the subject, how are things going wink

          Quote: onix757
          they do not consider it necessary to exchange for less in the name of more

          Can you translate? That’s true - I didn’t enter the whole breadth and depth of thought ..

          Quote: onix757
          No, it's you funny

          Yes, I don’t hide, in general request
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 February 2016 18: 49
      0
      If we don’t produce it, but we need it, then what not to buy abroad - in order to create our own production, this will take more than one year and there are still people who will be interested in this.
  • Yugra
    Yugra 13 February 2016 18: 35
    +2
    The Green Dol entered the Mediterranean Sea today. And this handsome man, it seems to me, will launch more than a dozen missiles at the maddened Turkey. Well, what kind of warheads will be on those missiles, only Shoigu knows ...
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 13 February 2016 18: 56
      0
      Nuclear weapons, of course, not for props.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 13 February 2016 19: 13
      0
      The Green Dol entered the Mediterranean Sea today. And this handsome man, it seems to me, will launch more than a dozen missiles at the maddened Turkey. Well, what kind of warheads will be on those missiles, only Shoigu knows ...

      Firstly: he only left Sevastopol today, he has not even passed the straits yet.
      Secondly: it’s interesting how he will launch more than a dozen missiles from Middle-earth, if he has only 8 UKKS cells?
      Thirdly: in Turkey it is possible to bullet from the Black Sea, it also goes to the coast of Syria.
      Fourth: IMHO, but the chances of Russia using nuclear weapons against Turkey are 0,000001%
  • individual
    individual 13 February 2016 18: 46
    +1
    Nothing new.
    The pack is huddled in flocks.
    Our caravan goes on the intended course.
  • 2eng
    2eng 13 February 2016 18: 50
    +5
    The Saudis have generally lost their sense of reality. In Yemen, they have a war with the Hussites and are not in favor of the Saudis, oil and, accordingly, the economy of the kingdom are in negative. A quick victory in Syria will not work, if only because the Syrian army has been at war for 4 years and has very rich combat experience, and the Saudi army is expensive, but it is not motivated in such a war. Plus, it is not known how and how the Assad GDP will help.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 13 February 2016 19: 07
      +3
      Quote: 2eng
      The Saudis have generally lost their sense of reality. In Yemen, they have a war with the Hussites and not in favor of the Saudis,

      Hussites nightmare the troops of Saudi Arabia.
  • mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 13 February 2016 18: 52
    0
    only suicides can start a land operation
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 13 February 2016 19: 01
      +4
      Well, something has already brewed. The Kurds arrive very seriously. At the airbase, Afrin, Azaz.

      Turkey Artillery is now hitting YPG positions in Al-Malikiyah and Kishta'ar
      Source on Efrîn frontlines says that Turkish backed Jihadists are attacking YPG / SDF positions.
      #BreakingNews First footage of #Turkey heavy artillery bombing on #YPG positions in Menagh airbase #Aleppo #Syria






      Media: Turkish artillery opened fire on an air base in the north of Aleppo
      18: 51 13.02.2016

      TURKISH ARTILLERY OPENED FIRE AT AREA-DELIVERED BY KURDS ON NORTH ALEPPO - TV

      RIA News
  • hobot
    hobot 13 February 2016 18: 57
    +2
    Hats off to the diplomatic corps of Russia.
    Bahrain fell away, I think that in addition to Syria, Iran and Iraq, Egypt and Israel will fit.
    With Turkey, I think, Georgia and Ukraine will simultaneously join.
    I hope and believe that the General Staff has worked out all possible options.
    With the combined forces of the Baltic states, I hope the border guards will cope.
    Nobody needs the third world war. NATO nervously smokes on the sidelines.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 13 February 2016 19: 13
      0
      Quote: hobot
      and Israel

      And Israel for whom will "fit" for the terrorists Daesh (IS) Al-Nusra Turkey and Saudi Arabia?
      Israeli Foreign Minister General: Saudi Arabia is our ally
      Israeli Foreign Minister Dori Gold, speaking at a conference of representatives of Jewish communities in the United States, said that Saudi Arabia has become a strategic ally of the Jewish state.
      http://newsru.co.il/mideast/31jul2015/gold8007.html
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 13 February 2016 18: 58
    -2
    Another meat on approach! Few people are being raked at home, so here they are asking along with Erdogad!
  • private person
    private person 13 February 2016 19: 04
    -2
    The impression is that on the site there are only a few * opals, with the exception of a few.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 13 February 2016 19: 26
      +4
      Speaking in a softer language, "urya-patriots" bully
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 February 2016 20: 49
      -2
      There are also those who still "live" in the USSR.