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East is more dead than alive

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In April, the moment of truth will come for Roskosmos: will there be a test launch from the new Vostochny cosmodrome of the space launch vehicle (RKN) as part of the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle (PH)? 1A "and acceleration unit (RB)" Volga "or will be re-transferred?


Recall that the start was scheduled for December 25 2015 of the year, but Vladimir Putin wisely decided not to hurry: "We do not need any victory reports, we need a qualitative result." The head of state expressed the hope that he would manage to cope by Cosmonautics Day, that is, by 12 April 2016. But if everything is not ready for this day either, then the dates can be postponed, the president added.

Vladimir Putin is ready to sacrifice even a part of his own authority in order to preserve the only chance for negligent officials to fulfill their plans. This has already happened once, when in the North navy in the presence of the president on a strategic missile submarine, the intercontinental ballistic missile “refused” to leave its mine. To smooth out the embarrassment of the submariners, Vladimir Putin said: it was a conditional launch.

Today, "conditional launch" - at the Vostochny cosmodrome. After many years of work, it turns out that Russia does not have and will not have a new ship that should fly in less than three years, nor will there be a launch facility for its launch. And the launch complex for the Angar launch vehicle should be redone, of which only one of the two launchers be left.

For comparison, at Baikonur - 9 types of launch complexes and 15 launchers (PU). Of these, 8 is no longer used because of their aging and destruction, including due to emergency launches. On average, there is a loss of one PU every seven years. In addition, PU must be repaired after 20 launches. If we distribute the load equally between the two cosmodromes - Baikonur and Vostochny, in two years the only PU in Vostochny will be repaired.

Another adventure is a change in the design of the launch complex for the Angara launch vehicle. It must be adapted for launches of three types of PH at once: Angara-А5, Angara-А5П and Angara-А5В. It is necessary to change the documentation of the installation-test, command-measuring complexes, other infrastructure elements. It is most difficult to adjust the launch "table" for the three types of missiles, in which the first stages have different straps consisting of two, four and six universal rocket modules and, accordingly, different contours and diameters.

Earlier, the head of the Scientific and Technical Council of Roskosmos, Yuri Koptev, told reporters that the cost of creating a new modification of the Angara-A5B launch vehicle would be 37 billion rubles, and the entire program, taking into account the construction and equipping of ground infrastructure, would be 150 billion rubles. From the draft “Federal space program on 2016 – 2025 years” prepared for submission to the government, it follows that the state corporation Roscosmos does not plan to launch the Angara-A5B heavy launch vehicle until the middle of the next decade. In this case, is it necessary to change the launch facility now under a non-existent rocket?

All this is similar to the planning of the next big “cut” of budget funds in the East. Recall that, according to the passport of the Federal target program “Development of Russian cosmodromes for 2006 – 2015 years”, more than 61,7 billion rubles were allocated from the budget for the implementation of the subprogram “Creation of the supporting infrastructure of the Vostochny cosmodrome”. Cash execution, according to the Federal Treasury, as of 1 December 2015, amounted to about 31 billion rubles. In the Federal Register of Government Contracts, the amount is more than 20,5 billion rubles. And during the prosecutor's checks, the facts of theft were revealed, causing damage to 7,5 billion rubles.

Summarize. The purpose of the program “Development of Russian space centers on 2006 – 2015 years” was, as recorded in the document, the creation on the Russian territory of a full-function ground infrastructure to ensure the launch of the entire spectrum of promising domestic space rockets and defense spacecraft to all required altitude and orbit inclinations, and the creation of the necessary prerequisites for ensuring guaranteed independent access and permanent presence of the Russian Federation in space and for conducting yu independent space policy. 2015 year is over. On the East launch is postponed and it is not known when it will take place. It’s not even necessary to speak of launches of the “full spectrum of promising domestic missiles”, at least until the 2025 year. Last year, construction of facilities of the first stage was completed, that is, to ensure the launch of the Soyuz-2.1A launch vehicle. At the same time, Roskosmos has not mastered most of the funds.

Who will be responsible for the space failure? From April 2011 to August 2015, four space agency managers changed. Each of them during his tenure did not have time to restore order, but he introduced disorganization. There is only one “long-lived” in Roskosmos, which in the “Agency activity plan for 2013 – 2018 years” is indicated responsible for the readiness of the Vostochny cosmodrome for the launch of payloads. This is Alexander Ivanov, in the recent past - the first deputy head, and now the interim head of Roskosmos. But to him claims should not be. After all, the Agency's Activity Plan is fundamentally different from the Federal Target Program and from the very beginning did not contain a hint of the readiness of the cosmodrome to launch missiles in the 2015 year. On the contrary, “the degree of satisfaction of the conditions of readiness of the Vostochny cosmodrome for launching payloads and the effective functioning of ground-based space infrastructure and space assets” should be 2015% in 49,5, 2016% in 50,4, 2017% in 54,5, m - 2018%.

The cosmodrome is a kind of living organism. But if he is alive only on 50%, then he is more dead than alive. And for his "death" no one bears even administrative responsibility.
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  1. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 14 February 2016 12: 17
    111
    And there is such a canoe, and it will continue ... We have not 37 year, they told you directly! And now the official is not interested in the result, and is not responsible for anything! It’s a pity that it’s not 37 year ...
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 14 February 2016 12: 19
      69
      Yes! What pride I was bursting with when they began to build this cosmodrome! I thought: "Well, Russia will show everyone and herself, do something grandiose cosmic!"
      And how now the heart is bleeding from the news on this unfortunate spaceport, how everything was stolen, with the connivance and participation (of something to hide) of the tops (they hide, but people understand that without them this is impossible, especially on such a scale!
      И
      no one bears administrative responsibility
      It is impossible to imagine how many hoopoes for this would have been shot under Stalin!
      Although this would not have happened!
      And not even because under pain of death, but because there were no such corners!
      Then - "Motherland, the party will say:" NECESSARY! ", We will answer:" THERE IS! "
      Sincerely, enthusiastically, honestly!
      1. Bagnyuk selo
        Bagnyuk selo 14 February 2016 12: 44
        90
        I agree ... in Minsk they caught a cheburek .. drove to zero on a "Lexus" pasted over with rhinestones ... it's true to her God ... he was in the IVS because oh .. he was very angry and very greyhound .. they let him down there .. led him on the lips ... he was quickly blown away .. as it turned out, a subcontractor from the construction site "Vostochny" .. oh how .. and all the loot was stolen from the construction site ... guys bring down corruption otherwise the edge of everything ...
        1. bve56
          bve56 14 February 2016 16: 36
          11
          America suffers many times so what? are you all here to sow panic?
          For Americans, transfers are a standard thing and everyone understands that a normal launch is important, not ambitions. There is an old saying, "measure seven times, cut one." When will our people become wiser?
          There, again, America cannot even copy our RD-180 for how long. Buys in dozens. Even Wikipedia does not always manage to rule the changeable nature of the "space activities" of Americans. They once again extended the project implementation period - the establishment of these RD-180 rocket engines, now by 2019, increased funding to 220 million. But the personal opinion is that the Americans will fail again by the deadline. Only they will not yell about it ... they will quietly extend the program. By the way, all the latest American rovers were sent by these Russian engines. I am not a big fan of Putin, but everything is said absolutely right. And given the massive pressure from the West, there are more significant problems.

          ps By the way, at the moment, only Russia can reliably and relatively inexpensively supply astronauts to the ISS. For every American, Russia received until recently, $ 60 million. Most likely the same amount for Europeans, Japanese, etc. For education, I recommend reading how the Americans have had problems with nuclear weapons many times ... a miracle that they did not explode anywhere. There is an article about this.

          Serge Babkov
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 14 February 2016 18: 29
            +8
            This is not Russia delivering, but the Soviet Union! Do you need arguments?
            1. aktanir
              aktanir 14 February 2016 20: 20
              +7
              unfortunately, Putin allows officials to steal something from somewhere, for the time being he turns a blind eye to it. And only when corruption and theft becomes prohibitive, we suddenly learn that Serdyukov stole, Khoroshavin is a thief, etc. To divert eyes, like law enforcement officers are fighting bribe-takers day and night. We even have some abnormal laws, in the village a poor fellow can be imprisoned for taking a trough and taking it to a metal reception point, and a seasoned intelligent thief for millions - only a few years of condition. I think the authorities are so sorry for the bribe-takers, because they themselves have something to remember. Many of us have risen to 90 on privatization, corporate raiding, deliberate bankruptcy of state-owned enterprises and other "cases". The officials simply feel sorry for their "colleagues" and "associates".
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 14 February 2016 22: 46
                +4
                Quote: aktanir
                we suddenly find out that Serdyukov stole

                That you sho-oh ?! Hde? Kohda? belay
                Serdyukov is not a thief, he is a witness. Could Razzi be put on the board of directors of the strategic concern Russian Helicopters ?! wassat
                1. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 15 February 2016 05: 55
                  0
                  I didn’t understand anything, but I liked the article.
              2. syndicalist
                syndicalist 15 February 2016 10: 11
                +3
                Quote: aktanir
                And only when corruption and theft takes on an outrageous scale,

                Serdyukov was "punished" not for this, but for the fact that the ex-wife, through her dad, put pressure on another "Pope"
              3. DimerVladimer
                DimerVladimer 15 February 2016 10: 33
                +2
                Are fighting?
                How many people sat down in the prosecutor's case? Ignatenko remained in the detention center, who fled and was detained in Poland with a forged passport - and he will soon be released. The case was ruined, the defendants were released. Those who "handed them over" to Dima Medvedev live under protection much worse than those who "got rid of". And they say that no one is already angry with him :)
                Well, about "Taburetkin" and Vasiliev, everything has long been clear.
            2. ssergn
              ssergn 15 February 2016 07: 09
              +1
              Just do not need pathos. This is RUSSIA delivering. Yes, using the experience and touched the USSR, but I had the mind to preserve and develop technology. If there were no Russia, then no one would have said that the Soviet Union was delivering it. It seems that except for the Russian Federation, everyone absolutely does not care about the Soviet legacy. Something like this.
          2. Yars
            Yars 14 February 2016 20: 31
            -3
            It is interesting that these alarmists will moo when everything flies away, remember the nicknames of alarmist-diberal-empty windbreakers
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 22: 27
              +7
              President
              Quote: YARS
              memorize nicknames of alarm-diberals-empty-chimes

              Yes, there are no alarmists here, there are problems and they are being written about them, and this is not idle talk
              sorry, but in the country, something is wrong if the problem of installing a transformer in a village of 6 houses can be solved only after contacting the reception
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 14 February 2016 23: 44
              +2
              There are no alarmists. And the autopsy and treatment of abscesses of corruption, theft, and the entire state system as a whole, Russia needs, like air.
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 14 February 2016 22: 43
            +2
            Quote: bve56
            America suffers many times so what?

            How much? For a month? Two? .. And this is in full readiness for the launch of all technical support! And here we are talking about the unpreparedness of the spaceport itself! On which the dough was so many that if it were thrown into the budget, we would probably have spit on the current crisis scornfully! wassat
            Do not interfere with a bunch of possible equipment failure with a lack of space to start.
            1. Dewa1s
              Dewa1s 16 February 2016 06: 52
              0
              if it were thrown into the budget, we would probably have spit on the current crisis scornfully!

              The budget of Russia in 2016 is 16 trillion rubles.
              The cost of the spaceport is 61 billion for 9 years, i.e. ~ 7 billion rubles a year.
              And now, a lover to spit and throw in, take the trouble to explain how 0,04% of the budget could allow us "to spit disparagingly on the current crisis."
              Or are you just to blurt out what?
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 16 February 2016 19: 43
                0
                Quote: Dewa1s
                Or are you just to blurt out what?

                After this phrase, there is no desire to answer - only if "in a penny". Learn to talk, sir, if you want to get an adequate answer. Don't like my opinion? Well, this is mutual! If you don't want to - don't read, I don't force you.
                And the substantive answer - sorry, did not deserve. I can not stand boors.
          4. 73bor
            73bor 14 February 2016 23: 49
            +2
            And the USA has been purchasing the RD-180 for 25 years already, by the way that the USA can produce everything, only the last TV of its own design in the USA was produced in the early 80's!
            1. Hon
              Hon 15 February 2016 13: 21
              +2
              Quote: 73bor
              And the USA has been purchasing the RD-180 for 25 years already, by the way that the USA can produce everything, only the last TV of its own design in the USA was produced in the early 80's!

              in 2015, the United States made 20 space launches, of which only 9 on the RD-180 engine, the rest on their own
          5. Hon
            Hon 15 February 2016 13: 13
            0
            Quote: bve56
            Look, again, America can not even how long to even copy our RD-180.

            in general, they do not try to copy, they transferred all the technologies so that. just why do it yourself, waste it on organizing production, when you can order easily and inexpensively. by the way, they fly not only on taxiways, they have Delta 4 missiles already on their engines
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 15 February 2016 17: 55
              +1
              Quote: Hon
              all technology was transferred to them like that. just why do it yourself

              Nichrome them, sorry, did not pass! According to RD-180 - you confuse it!
              And they really tried to copy it .. it doesn't work: the "secret component" cannot be found wassat
              But this does not mean, of course, that we can, sticking out a sunken belly, turn up our nose from stupid pride: life does not stand still, and without new developments in the field of space, you can quickly find yourself in the backyard .. and increase our efforts in this direction, our "effective "in no hurry: the longer the deadlines for completing tasks - in any field! - the more money from the budget can be pulled out for the same job ..
              1. Hon
                Hon 15 February 2016 22: 47
                0
                In connection with the deterioration of Russian-American relations, the politicians of both countries put forward proposals to cut off engine supplies. In particular, the ban on the purchase of the engine introduced an amendment by John McCain [3]. The initiative to ban the use of the engine for US military launches was made by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin [4].

                As a replacement for the RD-180, a new engine is considered, for the development of which the Pentagon allocated 160 million dollars. It is expected that it will be ready for use no earlier than 2019 [3]. An alternative is the deployment of RD-180 production under the US license at the ULA plant in Decatur [5].
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 14 February 2016 17: 29
          +1
          Quote: BagnyukSelo
          guys bring corruption otherwise the edge of everything ...


          In the sense of Medvedev to blame? So I do not mind. Only personally I have nothing. Would only anyone give me browning ...
      2. tolian
        tolian 14 February 2016 12: 53
        15
        Did you find the author of this opinion? He writes .... On the East launch is postponed and it is not known when it will take place .... It will be held until April 12 of this year.
        1. gergi
          gergi 14 February 2016 12: 59
          38
          The launch will take place, but the bureaucrats are guzzling with both mouth and ass. Choke and eat. Liberasty. Can. Russia is large, will feed a pack of parasites. It is forbidden to punish these creatures.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 14: 11
            +7
            Quote: gergi
            Russia is large, will feed a pack of parasites. It is forbidden to punish these creatures.

            this is already a systemic problem at all levels, there is no control over anyone starting from the bottom, a huge example is allocated enormous amounts of money under federal programs, but how they are used is simply terrible, money doesn’t always steal, it’s simply drained into the toilet
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 16: 19
              -6
              extremely interesting to debate with a brow who put a minus, his arguments are interesting
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 22: 22
                0
                ladies and gentlemen, maybe you can still make arguments or is it difficult ?!
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 14 February 2016 16: 37
              +9
              Though a minus and not mine - here's to you .. arguments:

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              this is a systemic problem at all levels, there is no control over anyone starting from the bottom

              - special GOZ accounts and authorized banks. This is as regards control over the spending of funds allocated under the State Defense Order. Everyone is howling, but it seems to have started working already yes

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              a simple example of federal programs is allocated tremendous funds, but here’s how they are used.

              - specifics, mind you, no .. Sketch of a known substance on an air stream, yes ..

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              money doesn’t always steal it, it’s just drained into the toilet

              - the same as in the previous paragraph.

              Your message, it, you see .. about nothing. From the series "all-propalipolymers".

              If you have specific information on how "money is poured down the toilet" - share, with the facts, if you please. Evidence-based.

              And just to shout "oh, everything is bad, we will die" - is not comme il faut.

              IMHO, essno hi

              PS:
              - if suddenly there are those who want to poke my mug with "my" flag - uzbagoytes .. The city of Korolyov MO, I don’t mask IP in any way, nevertheless - the flag I have .. walks laughing
              - I know about special GOZ accounts .. not from newspapers laughing Hope, they worked on one system, accounting, in one very reputable company, so that the system could take this disaster into account yes
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 16: 58
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                GOZ special accounts and authorized banks. This is as regards control over the spending of funds allocated under the State Defense Order. Everyone is howling, but it seems to have started working already

                federal programs are not only a state order
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                specifics, mind you, no .. Sketch of a known substance on an air stream, yes ..

                no specifics? yes any number
                there is such a program subsidizing CX large amounts are allocated in millions, everything is fine, it is necessary and useful if not for one BUT
                money for frequent allocation is not known to anyone and the main thing is that the result is absolutely not controlled, and the result is often deplorable, the money spent seems to have been spent, but the result is zero - farms are unprofitable tasks are not performed, etc.
                or even such an example, there is such a program for vaccinating pets against rabies, vaccinations are free, but there are BUT regional veterinary stations procure vaccines without knowing the number of domestic animals and, as a rule, without the vaccination
                you can still give a lot of examples of bringing down budget money into the toilet, I think if you think about it yourself, some remember

                the same as in the previous paragraph.

                If you have specific information on how "money is poured down the toilet" - share, with the facts, if you please. Evidence-based.



                hope answered
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 14 February 2016 17: 10
                  10
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  federal programs are not only a state order

                  Naturally .. the article is just about "Vostochny", but it’s from there ..

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  money often stand out to whom and most importantly the result is absolutely not controlled.

                  Here .. damn, excuse my French .. if this is specifics, then I am a telephone box, yes ..

                  Understand, I am no more than you, joy from the fact that "steal". But I, as an example, see some .. movements, let's say, to the side difficulties this process for stealers. And I’m only talking about what I see myself or can confirm with documents.

                  You just tell me common tales ..

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  hope answered

                  Yes, thanks, you are quite understandable hi
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 17: 17
                    0
                    sorry garbage enough to grind
                    to you specifically in numbers, etc.
                    about SH, more specifically, not where it is interesting, come and show the "buried" money
                    sorry about vaccinations, but this is a fact I face this every day
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 14 February 2016 17: 38
                      +9
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      sorry garbage enough to grind

                      I did not understand the collision .. where exactly did I say something wrong?

                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      about SH, more specifically, not where it is interesting, come and show the "buried" money
                      sorry about vaccinations, but this is a fact I face this every day

                      And I still encountered this during the Union, do not believe it ..

                      - 1980 year, p. Sennitsy-2 Ozersky district of Moscow region. Students are harvesting potatoes .. and it’s normal, believe me, they are harvesting - not all students (back then) were gouging. Which potatoes in the spring of the next 1981 year (Moscow, the area of ​​Gagarin Square, a vegetable warehouse) are loaded with tons into dump trucks, already rotten, yeah ..
                      - 1985, Kalinin, military training. A transporter stood in the barn, somewhere nearby. He stood for three days (we were told so. IMHO he stood more), until they remembered the same "sudends". Who, with the help of a pitchfork and some mother, cleaned this barn in a day (there were some "good" places there .. much above the knee).

                      And these are just a couple of examples, "from that life."

                      I'm not talking about, in fact:

                      - that they steal - I agree. That it’s bad is obvious.
                      - that in some places a mess (as you gave an example with vaccines) is also bad.
                      - that nothing is being done in order to fix this - here excuse me, move in .. Just all at once .. well, there is no way to fix it, the mentality is multiplied by capitalism.

                      Somehow yes
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 18: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        that they steal - I agree. That it’s bad is obvious.
                        - that in some places a mess (as you gave an example with vaccines) is also bad.

                        is there anyway?
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        - that nothing is being done to fix this - here excuse me, move in .. P

                        in our area, it’s not exactly done and is not going to, and it seems that
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 14 February 2016 18: 22
                        +3
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        is there anyway?

                        And I, as it were, do not deny .. it just always was, in my memory, at least ..

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        in our area, it’s not exactly done and is not going to, and it seems that

                        The fish rots from the head. To clean it from the tail is useless. Therefore, they clean it now - from the head.

                        But - neatly, since the fish (the state of the Russian Federation means) - is alive, and even swims at the same time ..

                        The joke remembered, seem to be in the subject .. the numbers are conditional:

                        A cardiac surgeon comes to a car service, well, let's say .. iterate over the engine. The master - for how long briefly - does everything that is necessary, and asks (from a cardiac surgeon, that is):

                        - What are you doing?
                        - Well, I repair motors .. human.
                        - And how much do they pay for the operation?
                        - Well, when how .. thousand by 50 bucks ..
                        - Oh, how .. and I’m fifty dollars in total .. I want you to be paid!
                        - Yes Easy..

                        The surgeon approaches the typewriter, starts the engine .. "Now - go over it .."

                        Sapienti sat wink
                      3. Muvka
                        Muvka 14 February 2016 19: 09
                        +1
                        Damn, you quickly move around the world lol
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 19: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Therefore, they clean it now - from the head.

                        fair?!
                        I repeat
                        it's anything but not cleaning
                      5. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 14 February 2016 19: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        it's anything but not cleaning

                        This is a small fry .. closer to the "tail" wink

                        Although the muzzle, of course, is nasty - I agree.

                        Quote: Muvka
                        Damn, you quickly move around the world

                        This is not me, this is the site .. I'm at home, with a cat on my knees, in the nearest Zamkadye yes
                      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 22: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        This is a small fry .. closer to the "tail"

                        this "small fry" was a good example - STEAL BY THE LARDS AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING
                      7. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 14 February 2016 22: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        THORN THE LARDS AND YOU WILL NOT BE ANYTHING

                        The total damage caused by the activities of the Vasilyeva Ministry of Defense is, in the opinion of the prosecutors, 3 billion rubles. However, earlier the Ministry of Defense refused the lawsuit against 2,2 billion rubles. The damage included the value of shares of the 31 Institute, which were returned to the state during the investigation

                        Like, "pre-trial settlement" wink

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        funny again, that is, someone believes that this toad was punished ?!


                        Former head of the Department of Property Relations of the Ministry of Defense Yevgenia Vasilyeva sentenced to five years in prison in a penal colony

                        Well, not awarded - for sure ..

                        And the fact that she was released on parole - well, so the connections are not bad, and the lawyers are good .. a lot depends on the lawyer, and for ordinary people too - believe me, I know, "I saw it myself" (c)

                        The criminal record, by the way, has not been lifted, right? Well, that's nice ..

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        was a case in point

                        Exactly .. steal, but in moderation (a joke .. partially) laughing
                      8. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 22: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Well, not awarded - for sure ..

                        they steal not for rewards but for the sake of profit and she made good money
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        The criminal record, by the way, has not been lifted, right? Well, that's nice ..

                        Yes, she’s not bad at living with grandmothers stolen and with a criminal record
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        And the fact that she was released on parole - well, so the connections are not bad, and the lawyers are ... good .. a lot depends on the lawyer, and for ordinary people too - believe me, I know, "I saw it myself"

                        despite the fact that in fact the article for her was supposed to be "firing squad"

                        frankly speaking, the situation in Russia more and more reminds me of the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, when the fear of shedding a little blood and dislike the environment led to an ocean of blood and hatred
                      9. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 14 February 2016 23: 01
                        +3
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        they steal not for rewards but for the sake of profit and she made good money

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Yes, she’s not bad at living with grandmothers stolen and with a criminal record

                        She, in fact, still has a dad, a very non-poor person .. that is to say the least. So she wouldn’t live badly in any situation.

                        Other - no comment. My opinion is Vasilyeva - a trifle, a shushera .. so, for the entertainment of the public.
                      10. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 23: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        so, for the entertainment of the public.

                        this is not amusing it to piss off
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        So she wouldn’t live badly in any situation.

                        but still not bad
            3. Cat man null
              Cat man null 14 February 2016 19: 48
              0
              I’m about this, about:

              Quote: http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com/86537.html
              What is good and what is bad

              I am doing this post as a reference material in my position about what is needed and what does not need to be done in the economy.
              I will send here citizens who do not understand that besides the "Stolypin's club plan" and "Siluanov's plan" there may be other opinions.

              This is purely reference material, not polemical material, that is, simply "fixing a position."

              So:
              1.
              To lower the Central Bank rate to 4-5% (2%, fit to taste), despite inflation - bad
              It’s good to lend to selected strategic enterprises under preferential%

              2.
              It is bad to pour 1 or 2 or 3 trillion rubles into the economy through banks (add it to taste), which will magically "saturate the economy with money" and lead to economic growth.
              Making a state-owned bank (SME Bank) work properly, which should lend to small and medium-sized businesses, is good
              Fighting the rise in tariffs and costs of natural monopolies is good
              Getting RSHB to work normally (with a subsequent increase in capital if the quality of work improves) is very good

              3.
              It is very bad to print rubles on the security of "promissory notes of solvent companies from priority sectors" (see the proposals from the "Glazyev report" on changing the Central Bank's Lombard List)
              It's bad to print rubles on the security of "municipal bonds"
              Printing rubles secured by bonds of large strategic companies or the federal center is good, but strongly in moderation

              4.
              Restrictions on the movement of capital, a ban on the purchase of foreign currency by the population, a permissive procedure for buying foreign currency for legal entities is bad
              Restrictions on the foreign exchange position of banks, tax on the withdrawal of capital in offshore jurisdictions, deoffshorization is good

              5.
              Fixation of the course at the level of X - bad
              Periodic interventions to "break the stops" of speculators - very good

              6.
              Refusal to accumulate foreign exchange reserves - bad
              Diversification of foreign exchange reserves (from RMB to uranium) - good, but careful

              .
            4. avia1991
              avia1991 17 February 2016 12: 14
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              here about it, approximately:

              with half the "bad" can be very fiercely argued! angry
              lol
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 22: 22
            0
            funny again, that is, someone believes that this toad was punished? !!!
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 17 February 2016 12: 03
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      Simple all at once .. well, no way to fix it, mentality-s, multiplied by capitalism.

      Here I could not stand it anymore! laughing
      Greetings, Roman! hi Answer, pliiz, to one question to me: WHAT DOES it take time to START changing the System? 5? 10? 15 years?! And how much more, at such a pace, will it change ?!
      Considering that unrestrained theft continues, and is limited - as you rightly noted - only in the defense industry (because, of course, someone needs to protect the wealth of the "top"!) - I personally get the impression that all measures are aimed at redirecting (forgive me tautology smile ) cash flows from one pocket to another! And in no way on the desire to really get rid of the embezzlement ..
  • milmac
    milmac 14 February 2016 17: 18
    +1
    It seems like a man, all your knowledge is a super channel "Rain". Now it is difficult and scary to make money on how to make money, at the very first suspicions, the offices are turned inside out. He himself somehow leaked the office in Krasnoyarsk, they sawed off money, and only 300 thousand, so they have been pushed away from all the cracks for two years now and from state contracts.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 17: 38
      0
      Quote: milmac
      It seems like a man, all your knowledge is a super channel "Rain"

      Are you talking to me?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 22: 19
        0
        it’s funny to look at the minuses to some posts, I didn’t understand, I asked a question, it turns out minus is not related to the statement but personally to me? !!
        well, so take courage and instead of minus express on your behalf
  • dauria
    dauria 14 February 2016 18: 56
    +2
    . Everyone is howling, but it seems to have started working already


    Wow, right? You know, I naively thought that a rollback is when a private shop climbs into the state's pocket through a little man. (They say, the state is a blind and drunk client) Recently I "saw the light" - a small private trader robbing another private trader !!!! (true, a large Muscovite) through a little man. laughing And that’s all, well, he can’t check all the estimates and work on the estimates for all his shops. Wonders.
  • Dam
    Dam 14 February 2016 22: 37
    +2
    I confirm the special accounts. Buddy designs mobile temporary deployment centers. All work done. The special account has opened, is hung from the special representative. Explains and agrees each payment. He said that on ... This is MO. Will not work with them anymore.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 17 February 2016 12: 20
      0
      Quote: Damm
      He said that on ... This is MO. Will not work with them anymore.

      In-from-just about! And what will we have in the "bottom line"? A short list of firms owned by the "right people" and not controlled by anyone, and with guaranteed state order! And "behind the fence" - a crowd of completely honest entrepreneurs, ready to give quality - but remembering with horror the bullying of the "system"!
      And everyone is happy ..
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 14 February 2016 15: 23
    +2
    And they promised in December 2015. What's the matter? What is Rogozin doing there?
  • NordUral
    NordUral 14 February 2016 18: 30
    +2
    You compare the plans for the good and the result. And not only in the East, but also in carriers and ships.
    1. An64
      An64 15 February 2016 09: 12
      +1
      Quote: NordUral
      You compare the plans for the good and the result. And not only in the East, but also in carriers and ships.

      I think that by April 12 the start will take place - at least something and somehow needs to be reported, but the next start, most likely, will be in 5-10 years ...
      Look at the "Angara" - the same attention from senior officials, the same reports of readiness - turned out, launched in 2014 a dummy and a cargo model ... When is the next start? What kind of load? They are not in the plans. The work turned out to be "zilch".
      The whole trouble is that the designers of satellites and ships work on their own (according to the TTZ, which were issued long before the Angara, so they do not adapt their creations for it), the designers of launch vehicles are on their own, and the builders are simply yourself! Swan, cancer and pike. Nobody coordinates or directs.
  • avia1991
    avia1991 14 February 2016 22: 56
    +1
    Quote: tolian
    Held before April 12 this year

    Do you answer? Aren't you afraid that as a result of the unpreparedness of the cosmodrome, and the desire of people like you, to cheerfully "report up", a tragedy may occur ?! Have you already forgotten about the death of the commander-in-chief of the Strategic Missile Forces Nedelin at Baikonur? Then they also wanted to "be in time", neglecting safety requirements ..
  • NordUral
    NordUral 14 February 2016 23: 46
    +2
    Reread the article, please. All and thoughtfully, and not about the diagonal.
  • cap
    cap 14 February 2016 13: 27
    15
    Quote: Baikonur
    Although this would not have happened!
    And not even because under pain of death, but because there were no such corners!
    Then - "Motherland, the party will say:" NECESSARY! ", We will answer:" THERE IS! "
    Sincerely, enthusiastically, honestly!


    The point is not so much honesty as irresponsibility.
    Targeted financing from the budget, during the construction of Baikonur, provided for the whole range of work from design to delivery of the finished object to the customer, including a certain warranty period. The contractor Main Directorate of Special Construction and its personnel were in real responsibility for the finished object. Splitting all stages of work by various "tenders" etc., opened the way for all sorts of crooks to receive contracts "by pull", hence all the evil. Shifting the responsibility of the general contractor to subchikov, allows you to avoid responsibility for the object as a whole. With a certain "desire of the management", all this pops up, as it says a lot of criminal cases against the Vostochny cosmodrome. Baikonur was built by the forces of military construction organizations, whose level of discipline at that time was not the same as in the last Soviet years at the notorious "construction battalion", where they took everyone in a row, convicts and conscripts of category "D" in a military card. Budget money does not tolerate companionship and cronyism in any form, otherwise theft will continue, which in space construction will lead to a cosmic tragedy in the future. God forbid.
  • sabakina
    sabakina 14 February 2016 14: 09
    +9
    Baikonur, not quite so.
    Well, they’ll bring shells to the Oktyabry ... They’ll destroy the connection to the extreme.
    This is not a joke, we were brought up like that!
  • g1v2
    g1v2 14 February 2016 18: 28
    10
    Well, let's see in April whether there will be a launch or the author of the next p-ball. Zadolbali frankly articles from such "experts". They won't build it anyway, they won't go, they'll plunder everything, there won't be a rocket, and if it does, it won't fly, and if it does, it won't go there. It’s just as if the censor came in - pulls. The answer is simple - built and flying. Maybe they will transfer something, but it will fly and SUCH authors will start looking for new construction projects or achievements of my country to smear them with shit. For example a bridge to the Crimea. Or something else, while other people will work for their country without paying attention to couch analysts. It is nice for fans of such literature to bathe in feces, because if such authors did not have fans, they would not be paid, and since they write, then someone likes it. fool
  • 73bor
    73bor 14 February 2016 23: 44
    -1
    They began to build it (the cosmodrome) in the mid-90s, and the fact that there is this is already a cosmodrome and those who write something about - "rather dead," this is nonsense, there is no turning back there, they wrote the same about GLONAS about " mace "too, seven years ago there was an article that in three years there will be no ship left in the Navy, and the Air Force is rubbish!
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 15 February 2016 00: 37
      +2
      !!!
      Quote: 73bor
      His (spaceport) began to build in the mid 90's
      In 2011, technical and outline design began, and work managers were appointed. The construction of the spaceport began in July 2012.

      Otherwise, I agree - WILL be anyway! I talked about the fact that on the way to this there will be a lot of stolen goods!
      1. 73bor
        73bor 15 February 2016 07: 48
        0
        You just don’t remember the time when there was a Strategic Missile Forces division there in the Free-18 plan to launch missiles directly from the mines, and 2011 is a different story! And about theft, it’s completely normal, the Far East is missing a lot of things including sea ferries!
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 17 February 2016 12: 34
          0
          Quote: 73bor
          You just don’t remember those times when there was a Strategic Missile Forces division in Svobodny-18; it was planned to launch missiles directly from the mines

          The impression is that you have absolutely no idea the difference between a mine for an ICBM and the launch pad of the Soyuz .. Well, WHAT are you writing ?! What are the "mine launches" ?! Svobodny is An-2, and Vostochny (in theory!) Is a Su-35! There is a difference, do you agree? And the attitude towards him should be appropriate! But those who are in charge of the construction site seem to have only banknotes before their eyes, and one thought pulsates in their heads: "How to wrinkle, steal, saw off? !!" And what will happen to the cosmodrome, if something is "underdone" into it - nobody cares!
          That's the problem.
  • Seal
    Seal 15 February 2016 02: 19
    -2
    It is impossible to imagine how many hoopoes for this would have been shot under Stalin!

    Under I. Stalin, there were several pluses for such large-scale construction projects. Firstly, unlimited labor - prisoners and the army.
    Secondly, under Stalin, the state did not hang so much social sphere. The categories of people who received state pensions under I. Stalin were significantly less than now. From the state under Stalin, only retired employees of the Soviet party received pensions. And the military - officers and generals. The bulk of the population, including the working class and the collective farm peasantry, received non-state pensions at the expense of the income of those enterprises (collective farms) where they worked. And given the planned economy of highly profitable enterprises, the cat cried. But the collective farms "40 years without a crop" - even a dime a dozen.
    Thirdly, loans were constantly placed. First (during the war years) - for military needs, then for the restoration of the national economy. It was also a good source of state revenue.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2016 09: 41
      +1
      Quote: Seal
      Secondly, under Stalin, the state did not have so much social

      yah?!
      Quote: Seal
      From the state under Stalin, only retired employees of the same unit received pensions

      In 1935, the USSR constitution enshrined the right of all citizens to retirement benefits.
      not state pensions were received only by artisans and collective farmers
      Quote: Seal
      including the working class and the collective farm peasantry, received non-state pensions from the incomes of those enterprises (collective farms) where they worked.

      you yourself understood that if it’s clear about cooperatives and collective farms, it’s not important for state enterprises that they themselves will give away or through an additional braid structure
      Quote: Seal
      And given the planned economy of highly profitable enterprises, the cat was crying

      enough nonsense about a planned economy, the planned method is not very effective only for small artels, but for giants this is a normal working mechanism
      Quote: Seal
      First (during the war years) - for military needs, then for the restoration of the national economy.

      iiiii !!!
      Now there is no borrowing? !!!!!!!
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    1. avia1991
      avia1991 17 February 2016 12: 38
      0
      Quote: Dmitry
      one de beat wrote, and a bunch of the same ones are discussing!

      If Dmitrich is not DE BEAL, the logical question arises: WHAT ... does he do here? ..
  • oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 14 February 2016 12: 19
    59
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    It’s a pity that I’m not 37 years old ...
    - To fight corruption in Russia, you need to allocate not money, but cartridges.
    How is it done in China ...
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 14 February 2016 12: 40
      20
      And I think that more such projects need to be implemented. Only at the spaceport
      already under investigation and awaiting trial about 200 effective managers. laughing

      In general, it is surprising that such a note without the author.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 14 February 2016 12: 57
        +6
        Quote: Sid.74
        In general, it is surprising that such a note without the author.
        To be honest too!
        А
        Quote: Sid.74
        under investigation and awaiting trial of about 200 effective managers
        So it is so necessary, otherwise the people would have freaked out at all!
        But! Question: how is this possible? How is this allowed?
        WHO??? AND WHO IS THIS WHO? Where is he? (do not require an answer !!!)
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 14 February 2016 16: 33
          +3
          Quote: Baikonur
          So it is so necessary, otherwise the people would have freaked out at all!

          Yes, quit. Our people can be robbed to the bottom, and the rating is still under 90%.
      2. Nick
        Nick 14 February 2016 13: 22
        +9
        Quote: Sid.74
        And I think that more such projects need to be implemented. Only at the spaceport
        about 200 effective managers have already received pending investigations and are awaiting trial. laughing

        In general, it is surprising that such a note without the author.

        You correctly noticed. The article is not casual. Some are embarrassed when they throw it on a fan. Respectfully... hi
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 14 February 2016 14: 57
          +4
          Quote: Nick
          You correctly noticed. The article is not casual. Some are embarrassed when they throw it on a fan. Respectfully...

          Yeah ..... I also think that there is no need to run ahead of the engine.
          The deadlines have not expired, there has not yet been a start-up and it is premature to rattle in a tambourine.
          1. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 14 February 2016 15: 14
            +3
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            The deadlines have not expired, there has not yet been a start-up and it is premature to rattle in a tambourine.

            And when the deadlines expire, it will be too late to play the tambourine!
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 17 February 2016 12: 42
            0
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Dates not expired

            The deadlines expired in December 2015.
            If interested, and master - read .. for example, here is this material:
            http://rucompromat.com/articles/rassledovanie_rbk_kto_i_kak_zarabotal_na_kosmodr
            ome_vostochnyiy
            I will not argue that this is the ultimate truth. But there is something to think about.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 18 February 2016 01: 35
              0
              Quote: avia1991
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Dates not expired

              The deadlines expired in December 2015.
              If interested, and master - read.
              I will not argue that this is the ultimate truth. But there is something to think about.

              Hm! Sergei, I don’t even know if it makes sense to supplement my comment?
              On the whole, yes, it does not reflect in any way the depth or scale of the existing problems of the East and, moreover, does not suggest ways to solve them, for the simple reason that we are not given the opportunity to influence anything in this matter.
              I "mastered" the article recommended by you - thanks for the link, but the facts given have already been partially published earlier. Let's just say, the article was delayed, because the abuses have already been opened, 200 criminal cases have been opened, the contractors have been changed, the person in charge has been appointed, the terms have been set - this is in fact. I don't want to delve into the topic of kickbacks, covering up traces, connections between my own and ours, for the reason that the discussion will turn out to be more than the article under discussion (although there is something to argue about).
              Perhaps we’ll conclude with your phrase -I will not argue that this is the ultimate truth. But there is something to think about. hi
      3. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 14 February 2016 15: 12
        +3
        Quote: Sid.74
        awaiting trial

        So what do they expect? Does Vasilyeva’s example say nothing? She even returned everything stolen!
      4. Karabin
        Karabin 14 February 2016 16: 31
        +1
        Quote: Sid.74
        under investigation and awaiting trial of about 200 effective managers.

        Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. Vasilieva was also awaiting trial, and where is she? I will not say anything about Serdyukov.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 12: 42
      +3
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      in Russia it is necessary to allocate not money, but cartridges.

      First of all, you need a desire
    3. avg
      avg 14 February 2016 12: 46
      +4
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      It’s a pity that it’s not 37 years old ... - To fight corruption in Russia, it is necessary to allocate not money, but cartridges.

      From April 2011 to August 2015, four heads of the space agency were replaced.

      Not any shootings !!! Only send all these four leaders of Roskosmos with the first start as test subjects.
    4. Boos
      Boos 14 February 2016 12: 53
      +8
      The guarantor said the same, - "Not our method!"
    5. zanoza
      zanoza 14 February 2016 13: 34
      +4
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      ... not money, but ammo.

      Thought right. But we have such a "black hole" in the country, where money irrevocably goes beyond the edge of the event (for example, a small "kickback" returns to the treasury), and the defendants receive parole or "conditional", or simply fined (?), And continue to live. do not grieve for "unbearably" stolen money.
      The launch complex cannot stand idle, will perish. So through torment, shouts and piz..yuli from the President-they will build and launch (at least once ...). At stake is the country's national security, the United States is eager to fill space with weapons.
    6. Mikado
      Mikado 14 February 2016 13: 41
      +2
      [quote = oldseaman1957] [quote = AlNikolaich] - To fight corruption in Russia, you need to allocate not money, but ammunition.
      How is this done in China ... [/ quote]
      Just now I saw an advertising poster saw "Fair Russia". Like, for the anti-corruption law and confiscation from thieves and their family members. I really want to believe that this is a preparation of public opinion .. It's naive, but I want to. In general, to put things in order, political will is needed. I hope this happens someday.
      1. kot28.ru
        kot28.ru 14 February 2016 14: 03
        +7
        It election preparation! what
      2. GRAY
        GRAY 14 February 2016 14: 45
        +3
        Quote: Mikado
        Just now I saw an advertising poster saw "Fair Russia". Like, for the anti-corruption law and confiscation from thieves and their family members.

        And then, when all the thieves and corrupt officials are jailed, the gentlemen from "Fair Russia" will take their places.
        It’s a well-known thing - slogans seem to be correct, but intentions are still selfish. Their contingent is the same as others, and some are so buried that they then have to hide in all kinds of America.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 14 February 2016 15: 25
          +4
          Quote: GRAY

          And then, when all the thieves and corrupt officials are jailed, the gentlemen from "Fair Russia" will take their places.
          It’s a well-known thing - slogans seem to be correct, but intentions are still selfish. Their contingent is the same as others, and some are so buried that they then have to hide in all kinds of America.

          This is clear. Moreover, Fair Russia will not win the election. Like the Liberal Democratic Party, and the Communists, and every shushera of traitors, all Navalny-Carnival.
          It just needs a clear government policy towards corruption (including confiscation). You can swear at Stalin, but he was the most effective anti-corruption fighter in the entire history of Russia - they were simply afraid to steal.
          Recently, we spoke about our national idea - patriotism. I will add. From my point of view, we differ from other nations in one thing - we have a heightened sense of justice. And one of the national ideas, if not fundamental, should be the concept of "justice".
          Putin is a strong leader, and we have seen the consequences of any Maidans. Not a single revolution did anyone any good, only devastation. Moreover, in order to clear up its consequences, the so-called. "dictator", a relatively strong personality, and bring everyone to their senses. Let's take the famous revolutions: in England, Cromwell brought order, in France - Napoleon, in Germany - Hitler (although, as a strong personality, he is in great doubt), in the USSR - Stalin, in Russia - Putin. And we accept it.
          But! To save Crimea from the crazy Bandera and others like them (the massacre would have begun there) - no one took such a strong step after the collapse of the Union. And .. A little later, to justify Serdyukov, and turn Vasilyeva’s case into a farce - is this not a spit in the people?
          God grant that they finally adopt the necessary laws on corruption and begin to punish, even in the mode of "manual control" personally from the head of state.
          Best regards
      3. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 14 February 2016 17: 14
        +3
        Putin voiced a similar idea at a meeting of the anti-corruption committee. So a start has been made.
    7. sabakina
      sabakina 14 February 2016 14: 22
      +4
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      It’s a pity that I’m not 37 years old ...
      - To fight corruption in Russia, you need to allocate not money, but cartridges.
      How is it done in China ...

      Cartridge 7.62x39 costs 22 rubles.

      California death penalty: some numbers

      $ 4 billion - the total number of expenses on the death penalty since 1978;
      $ 308 million - roughly the same amount cost the execution of each of the 13 executed, starting in 1992;
      $ 1,1 million - an excess of expenses for the maintenance of each executed (including expenses for the trial, etc.) than if he were sentenced to life imprisonment;
      $ 300 thousand - the average cost of a lawyer if a person sentenced to death puts an appeal;
      $ 100 thousand 663 - the average annual cost of maintaining one sentenced to death;

      I would spend a cartridge ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 14: 28
        +4
        Quote: sabakina
        I would spend a cartridge ..

        and I would use a reusable rope
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 14 February 2016 15: 24
        +3
        Quote: sabakina
        I would spend a cartridge ...


        Moreover, in China the bill for cartridges is presented to relatives of the shot laughing
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    8. free
      free 14 February 2016 14: 56
      +2
      no, you just have to give the go-ahead!
    9. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 14 February 2016 15: 10
      +3
      [quote = oldseaman1957] cartridges. [/ quo
      And besides cartridges - FULL CONFISCATION of everything "acquired by back-breaking labor"!
    10. Karabin
      Karabin 14 February 2016 16: 36
      +7
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      - To fight corruption in Russia, you need to allocate not money, but cartridges.

      Stolen, lost, mixed up caliber.
    11. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 14 February 2016 18: 07
      +5
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      - To fight corruption in Russia, you need to allocate not money, but cartridges.
      How is it done in China ...

      The thing is that the current system is absolutely incompetent not only in high-tech sectors, but also in all other sectors of the N / A.
      The only well-developed industry is banking speculation and redistribution of financial flows within the system, and fiscal functions regarding the population, of course.
      And we have only two attributes left of the superpower — nuclear weapons and cosmonautics, but this is just an inheritance from that great country, a legacy that they cannot even save, and sometimes do not want to.
  • kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 14 February 2016 12: 22
    24
    I’m wondering who the author of the article is, how competently he cites figures, how true the described parameters of PU wear are true what ? At the source, IEE no data hi , because at least zaminusuyte, shit on the fan hi I know there are many problems, but where is the justification what , author-engineer, professor or the same specialist in rockets, like a simple layman in Russia? hiProsralipolymers and Maidan? foolAt a plant in Amurka, ecologists from the apple were already exhausted with screams that we were all going to die! We’re trampling the gold-Evenki rights, heptyl damn launch site (60 mines in 27 taxiways didn’t see), everyone calls for the reign of the Vikings, breadwinners of the local Yabloko -American funds! The most ardent of them is Natalya Kalinina, google for yourself!
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 14 February 2016 12: 48
      +3
      And here is a screenshot from the social network!
    2. Militia
      Militia 14 February 2016 13: 17
      20
      QUOTE kot28.ruI’m wondering who the author of the article is, how competently he cites figures, how true the described parameters of PU wear are true
      Respecting for itself and readers, the publication always publishes the author of the article. And so, it turns out that they threw an anonymous letter and judging by the style of the article, everything is like the movie: "Chef! Everything is lost! The client is leaving, the plaster cast is removed!". This article is similar to another liberal quirk, the desire to show how bad and lagging behind everything. And the rulers in the Kremlin are to blame for everything. This subtext turns out
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        2. atalef
          atalef 14 February 2016 14: 27
          +4
          Quote: Sura
          Now a "new generation" of trolls has come to the sites, earning 70 billion dollars.

          5 trillion rubles?
          1. shuhartred
            shuhartred 14 February 2016 14: 50
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            5 trillion rubles?

            I wonder how much this amount (in cash in banknotes of 5000) will weigh and how much will it take?
          2. Throw
            Throw 14 February 2016 17: 03
            +1
            In general, yes, the digital figure looks nemeryano- do you think that the Amer really snapped up the 1 / 8 defense budget? belay
    3. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 14 February 2016 15: 37
      +2
      I wrote to the author the same thing as who, in a discussion of one of the topics, one of the bloggers laid out the same fabrications, and the verbal verbs are the same. But to Russia, this comrade has nothing to do.
  • tol100v
    tol100v 14 February 2016 12: 36
    +3
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    And there is such a canoe

    Maybe there, maybe not! And in general, who is the author of the article? Very similar to a liberalist!
    1. Disant
      Disant 14 February 2016 17: 18
      +1
      the author argues, leads calculations. I'm too lazy to delve into even the Internet, check the author’s calculations at least indirectly.
      therefore, I will wait for the day of cosmonautics, and everything will fall into place. Not long left
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  • max702
    max702 14 February 2016 12: 42
    15
    Well, not everything is so bad .. Work slowly ..
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 14 February 2016 16: 37
      +5
      Of course, not everything is so bad. The usual provocative article. Read - forgot.
      1. alexng
        alexng 14 February 2016 21: 04
        +1
        The article is the usual cheap stuff from "... anal" subpin-doc wrestlers. Moreover, an article without an author is the usual marasmic propaganda. Interestingly, is the payment and receipt of candy wrappers for such articles also corruption? Hey ... ANALY, you are the main corrupt official in Russia and you exist on bribes from the USA.
  • WINovikov
    WINovikov 14 February 2016 12: 43
    +2
    Yes! To return the 37th and the laws of the 37th. But ... the guarantor said ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 February 2016 14: 20
      +3
      This talk about the return of 37 year already tired.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 14: 29
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        This talk about the return of 37 year already tired.

        I agree I need not 37 or some other year, but the Boss, and we have some owners
  • Finches
    Finches 14 February 2016 12: 45
    15
    Capitalism, in its current format, as a political and economic formation, for the development of a state where highly intellectual and strategic projects with absolutely complete state control prevail is not suitable for Russia! Either you need to shoot in large numbers, like in China, or you need to change the system!

    Tell me, please - How can you make some kind of nano in Russia if the creation process is led by Chubais, and academician Alferov, a Nobel laureate, gives lectures in the USA ???
  • sgazeev
    sgazeev 14 February 2016 13: 00
    +8
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    And there is such a canoe, and it will continue ... We have not 37 year, they told you directly! And now the official is not interested in the result, and is not responsible for anything! It’s a pity that it’s not 37 year ...

    It’s necessary to remove Rogozin from the Internet, let him sleep and sleep there, and not talk about the trampoline and Tu-160. It seems that without Shoigu there is neither tuda nor syuda. Dimona, in addition, his positive trait, doesn’t talk a lot, since he’s going to break the Faberge it is necessary to cut gray schemes. Kozlov from the garden to drive rags with pisses. am
  • Nsk 54
    Nsk 54 14 February 2016 13: 04
    -2
    For the program "Development of cosmodromes for the period of 2016 - 2025 to support the space activities of the Russian Federation" in 2016, 26 billion rubles were allocated, so there is something to cut.
    1. Disant
      Disant 14 February 2016 17: 25
      0
      Yes, excuse me, "on the drum" how many have allocated - at least 3 rubles, at least 100 billion. the main thing is that everything goes to work
    2. Fat
      Fat 14 February 2016 20: 55
      +1
      Quote: Nsk 54
      For the program "Development of cosmodromes for the period of 2016 - 2025 to support the space activities of the Russian Federation" in 2016, 26 billion rubles were allocated, so there is something to cut.

      Nothing to cut! 26 billion rubles are small funds, approximately 347 million dollars for 10 years
  • Nick
    Nick 14 February 2016 13: 18
    +4
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    And there is such a canoe, and it will continue ... We have not 37 year, they told you directly! And now the official is not interested in the result, and is not responsible for anything! It’s a pity that it’s not 37 year ...

    You are a naive person! In 1937, not guilty officials were eliminated, but fought for power. We cleared the clearing from potential competitors. Read the work of academician Zhukov Yu.N. He, perhaps, better than anyone living today, knows this period.
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  • 222222
    222222 14 February 2016 21: 31
    +1
    "" "On the territory of" Vostochny "ground space and support infrastructure of the cosmodrome is being built. At present, construction work has been completed in full at all facilities providing preparation and launching of the launch vehicle, the most complex engineering systems have been installed, the required temperature and humidity conditions are maintained in the structures , established water supply and sewerage.

    In the assembly and test part of the assembly and test case of the carrier rocket, wagons with Soyuz-2 parts were installed.

    The creation of the Soyuz-2 middle-class launch vehicle launch complex, technical complex, power supply system, 115 km of roads and 125 km of railways, including the railway line from the station, is nearing completion. Icy, as well as engineering support facilities (mini boiler houses, water intake and treatment facilities, all types of communications, objects of the Ministry of Emergencies - fire station, shelters, etc.); various warehouse, reloading and repair facilities.

    The work on 3 objects of the Vostochny Cosmodrome was fully completed:

    1. "Construction of highways of the Vostochny Cosmodrome, stage I".

    2. “Construction of railways of the cosmodrome (1st stage). Stage 1".

    3. “Creation of an external power supply system for the cosmodrome (1st stage) stage 1”
    "" "
    http://dfo.spetsstroy.ru/activity/objects/2256/32240/
    http://spetsstroy.ru/press/cosmodrome-vostochnyy/
    http://fcp.economy.gov.ru/cgi-bin/cis/fcp.cgi/Fcp/ViewFcp/View/2013/355/
  • plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 14 February 2016 12: 17
    +5
    In April, we’ll count the chickens ... the effectiveness of managers will be clearly visible and what will be the demand will also be seen
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 14 February 2016 12: 22
      +3
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      In April, we’ll count the chickens ... the effectiveness of managers will be clearly visible and what will be the demand will also be seen

      I think the correct thought is, why should panic be breached ahead of time? And the opinion of specialists would not be bad to hear ... No.
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    3. atalef
      atalef 14 February 2016 12: 38
      +4
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      managers' performance will be clearly visible and what will be the demand will also be seen

      The construction of residential neighborhoods of the Far Eastern "star city" for the Vostochny cosmodrome will begin in the fourth quarter of this year, and the cosmodrome itself will be built by 2015, said Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin in an interview on the Vesti on Saturday TV program with Sergei Brilev, promising otherwise donate a tooth

      Mr. Rogozin, I have one friend, a beautiful prosthetist. laughing
      I can give a phone laughing
      But not like that wassat well, it’s not solid. laughing
      1. SklochPensioner
        SklochPensioner 14 February 2016 15: 30
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Mr. Rogozin, I have one friend, a beautiful prosthetist.
        I can give a phone
        And it’s not like walking like that, but it’s not solid.


        Tell me honestly: EVIDUAL? !! laughing
        yu know wat ay min
    4. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 14 February 2016 15: 31
      +2
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      what will be the demand will also be seen

      And NOTHING will be seen! And there will be NO demand!
  • Muvka
    Muvka 14 February 2016 12: 17
    +6
    And the author is ready to give his head for clipping, confidently asserting that no one bears any responsibility? Or in the news should they talk about every step of the investigation and about every punished? I’m not saying that this is not so, but I doubt that they will give us all the information ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 12: 45
      19
      Quote: Muvka
      And the author is ready to give his head for clipping, confidently asserting that no one bears any responsibility?

      unfortunately the author is right in this matter
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 14 February 2016 12: 56
        +1
        Those. do you think she was not punished? As far as I remember, they made me return the money and gave me a term. Conventional, I do not argue, horror, but probably it is not worth saying that we do not punish anyone even administratively. Again, I do not dispute that this is a terribly lenient sentence. It should be borne in mind that sometimes it seems to us that a person is 100% guilty, but according to the documents, this may not be so. And to plant for what "it seems to me" is not serious.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 14: 05
          +3
          Quote: Muvka
          Those. do you think she was not punished? As far as I remember, they forced me to return the money and gave the deadline.

          eeeeee
          I think that if they had spanked in the ass, it would have been more substantial

          do not tell anyone, for the sake of all the saints, she stayed at home (so that I lived as she sat)
          for the milestone of the accused 215 million rubles, about 5 lyam bucks at the old rate at the new rate is even less, while initially the damage from these frauds was estimated at more than 3 billion rubles.

          By the way, when the Union, her article is a tower
          here is another example
          As it was established during the investigation, in August 2013, a 24-year-old young man, previously convicted of illegal logging, sawed down 26 trees - pines, spruces and birches - in the Klimovsky forestry, causing damage in the amount of 108,7 thousand rubles. According to the verdict of the court, the young man received 9 months in prison.

          rate 108 thousand - 9 months
          3 lard five years of which the part under house arrest ONE month in the colony and parole according to parole on the stolen

          It should be borne in mind that sometimes it seems to us that a person is 100% guilty, but according to the documents, this may not be so. And to plant for what "it seems to me" is not serious.

          in this particular case, a different principle and other laws must apply
          climbed onto Olympus you will answer with your head, even if you stole a penny
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 February 2016 14: 25
            +3
            Our legislation now works on a different principle - who has more connections and money, especially for a lawyer with connections at the top, is innocent.
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 14 February 2016 15: 33
        +2
        I would very much ask you to never expose this face!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 15: 40
          +1
          no, you need, in fact, we all spit in the face
          otherwise I can’t name all this farce
      3. Finches
        Finches 14 February 2016 16: 51
        +3
        Almost the entire monitor did not spit ..... laughing
      4. da Vinci
        da Vinci 14 February 2016 17: 02
        +1
        This mare had to serve time sent to the East - clean the toilets! drinks
    2. WINovikov
      WINovikov 14 February 2016 12: 47
      +6
      No need to talk about every step of the investigation, but at least one punished name?
  • PEDRO
    PEDRO 14 February 2016 12: 18
    0
    "everything is gone .." begin to whine ..! Now, just in time, gentlemen ... hi
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  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 February 2016 12: 19
    +8
    The author is anonymous. The material referred to is also unsigned. Who is this specialist? Brought everyone to clean water, using information from open sources? Or as "unclouded" as his creation?
  • Muvka
    Muvka 14 February 2016 12: 20
    +2
    And yet, quite a while ago there is news that the launch is not scheduled for April 12, but in the second half of April.
  • Tujh
    Tujh 14 February 2016 12: 20
    0
    Of course, one author pischet, Cho we have a good time and poravalyat.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 14 February 2016 12: 54
      0
      Quote: Tujh
      Of course, one author pischet, Cho we have a good time and poravalyat.

      And he sits quietly in the corner and waits for him to be listened to and run away. And then he will jump out of the corner and take the place corresponding to his mind
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 14 February 2016 12: 21
    +4
    live to spring, spring will show, as far as I know, work to ensure start-up is proceeding, as always with fart steam
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 14 February 2016 12: 34
      +4
      Yeah! Let's believe the words of Rogozin together with the President ...


      Okay ... Let's believe for the last time:
    2. WINovikov
      WINovikov 14 February 2016 12: 50
      +3
      Spring in spring, but chickens in the fall count. Not in the spring, so in the fall, and maybe in the winter, but by the 3000th year for sure. Like Khoja Nasreddin.
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 14 February 2016 14: 56
      +4
      "..... East is more dead than alive" ...
      Alive East and will live! How many stuffing was about Sochi-built and held one of the best olympiads.
      There will be a test launch in April, I have no doubt.
  • moskowit
    moskowit 14 February 2016 12: 23
    +3
    "We wanted the best, but it turned out, as always ..." (a phrase attributed to Chernomyrdin) ...
  • sgg
    sgg 14 February 2016 12: 27
    +1
    Popovkin should have been responsible for the failure of the plans to create the Vostochny cosmodrome; he broke all the work that was being done at his arrival in Roscosmos. But he is no longer alive.
    1. fif21
      fif21 14 February 2016 12: 40
      +3
      Quote: sgg
      Popovkin should be responsible for the failure of plans to create a Vostochny spaceport
      Who is watching the GDP-Rogozin? So he will answer. Or a chest in crosses, or a head in bushes. Spring planting will begin wassat It would be nice with confiscation and everything to a penny to return.
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci 15 February 2016 10: 32
        0
        Who will put him in prison, he is Rogozin! wassat
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    3. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 14 February 2016 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: sgg
      should have answered Popovkin

      And what, besides Popovkin, there is no one to answer?
  • AID.S
    AID.S 14 February 2016 12: 27
    +3
    Time will tell if the forecasts are fair, but the results should be. In the form of takeoffs and landings.
  • kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 14 February 2016 12: 30
    13
    How tired of this whining, that we will not build anything, and will not create anything.
    I will leave one picture here, and I won’t write anything else.
    She (the picture) speaks for herself all.
  • snifer
    snifer 14 February 2016 12: 31
    +9
    Do you remember how they threw the shift workers who worked in construction, into the brazen, and that someone was punished in many areas, those people who are now building something in the country are in the position of cattle. For example, the organization Sevzapstroimontazh Trust, a large company in construction oil and gas fields, a YEAR does not pay money to people, a year !! They are recruiting new ones and go ahead, some leave, others come. As one of the leaders of this company said, I will drive the whole of Russia through this construction site. People beat the thresholds of all possible authorities up to the presidential administration. who is not punished, money is not paid and does not pay. "Where are you going country? I go quietly. To work? To training? Just to, without specifying."
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 14 February 2016 13: 14
      +6
      So it was at the Olympic construction site and is already starting on the Kerch bridge. National Fun ...
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 14 February 2016 13: 19
        +8
        Quote: KBR109
        So it was at the Olympic construction site

        And this is how Baikonur was built ...
        Chronology of the cosmodrome history
        Stamp of Kazakhstan 312.jpg
        January 12 1955. Arrival at the Turatam railway crossing of the first unit of military builders to prepare places for deployment and deploy construction and installation infrastructure. The beginning of the construction of the village.
        12 February 1955. Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR on the creation of a testing ground for intercontinental ballistic missiles.
        20 July 1955 - the beginning of the construction of the first launch pad.
        15 May 1957 - Launch of the first R-7 rocket from the cosmodrome. The next, also unsuccessful, is in a month.
        21 August 1957 - the first successful launch, the rocket delivered conditional ammunition to Kamchatka.
        October 4, 1957, 22 h. 28 min. - the beginning of the space era, the launch of the world's first artificial Earth satellite PS-1 using R-7.

        Something like that, citizens 2 years and forward in the sense of up - without Rogozin cost))))))
        1. KBR109
          KBR109 14 February 2016 13: 27
          +2
          ... do not pour salt on my wound - do not say sobbing ... am
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 14 February 2016 13: 30
            0
            Quote: KBR109
            ... do not put salt on my wound

            I mean - don’t pour sugar on me, don’t talk about AIDS))))
        2. your1970
          your1970 14 February 2016 14: 15
          +2
          There is one small nuance - Baikonur was built by the building battalion forces purely for food, none of the soldiers cried - they do not pay us a pay (7 rubles to ordinary soldiers), who did not work - a healthy soldier’s collective punished on their own
          That’s the whole difference ....
        3. AID.S
          AID.S 14 February 2016 16: 54
          +3
          Your comment inspired ..

          HORENA'S STORY
          ABOUT KUZNETSKSTROY
          AND ON PEOPLE OF KUZNETSK

          In this five-year period, 1 wagons of building materials will be brought to this place. There will be a giant of metallurgy, a coal giant and a city of hundreds of thousands of people.
          From a conversation.
          In the sky
          the clouds are running
          rains
          dusk is compressed
          under the old
          cart
          workers are lying.
          And hears
          whisper proud
          water
          and under
          and above:
          “In four
          year
          here
          will
          garden city! "
          Dark leaden,
          and rain
          as thick as a tourniquet
          sit
          in dirt
          workers
          are sitting
          harness to a splinter.
          Drain out
          lips
          from the cold
          but lips
          whisper in tune:
          “In four
          year
          here
          will
          garden city! "
          Brought
          chill
          in short -
          unimportant
          wet
          comfort
          sit
          in the dark
          workers
          drenched
          bread
          chew.
          But whisper
          louder than hunger -
          he is covering
          drops
          recession:
          “In four
          year
          here
          will
          garden city! "
          Here
          explosions cry
          overclocking
          bear gangs
          and will rise
          bosom
          mine
          angular
          "Giant".
          Here
          stand up
          Building
          the walls.
          Beeps
          steam,
          sipy.
          Мы
          in a hundred suns
          martens
          flammable
          Siberia.
          Here is the house
          will give
          good to us
          and sit
          without soldering,
          already for Baikal
          discarded
          the taiga will move back. ”
          Ros
          whisper of a worker
          over the subject
          fat herds
          so what is next
          inaudible
          only heard
          "Garden city."
          I know -
          city
          will be,
          I know -
          the garden
          bloom
          when
          such people
          in the country
          in soviet
          there!

          Interestingly, not a single liberal can tell how much was stolen in Kuznetskstroy, but how much is repressed, wake up at night to tell, though every time it’s different ..
  • PEDRO
    PEDRO 14 February 2016 12: 35
    +6
    Screams like "Why does Russia need spaceports? Make engines and we will start everything in the USA ... We are" partners! ".. Heh heh Cunning, as always!
    Well, in general, many need to be shot there (right at the spaceport) .. They steal scum!
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 February 2016 12: 39
    +9
    Physics is practically the only field in Russia where laws are still strictly observed.
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 14 February 2016 16: 38
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Physics is practically the only field in Russia where laws are still strictly observed.

      But here, many Russians are trying to chemical ... More. It is necessary to introduce into the State Duma a law on the supremacy of Russian legislation in relation to the laws of physics and bring them into appropriate compliance.
  • starschina
    starschina 14 February 2016 12: 40
    +3
    all our language! First, we’ll trumpet the whole cosmodrome, cosmodrome, but now we don’t know what to say!
    1. PEDRO
      PEDRO 14 February 2016 12: 49
      0
      Quote: starschina
      all our language! First, we’ll trumpet the whole cosmodrome, cosmodrome, but now we don’t know what to say!

      And what to say ... Our economy was decided "to put cancer on ..." And in spite of us, we will finish building the cosmodrome and launch the "sly bast shoe" into orbit!
    2. n.kolesnichenko
      n.kolesnichenko 14 February 2016 13: 14
      -1
      Is it already April? Did not launch? If you do not know --- then you can shut up !!!
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 February 2016 14: 28
      0
      And what to say - the Vostochny cosmodrome is almost completed.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 February 2016 12: 40
    +3
    Quote: snifer
    No one is punished

    How is this not punished? The open press was about criminal cases (punishment after pronouncing the verdict), and stolen millions, and about taking measures to rectify the situation. What ahead of time to celebrate a memorial service. At the indicated time and find out everything you need.
  • SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 14 February 2016 12: 44
    +2
    Enough for four paragraphs, read further - not easy to extort.
    What nonsense? !! I did not read the comments, immediately down.
    Who are you, the uncle who wrote this muin? !!
  • Jan Krumins
    Jan Krumins 14 February 2016 12: 48
    0
    EAST - will be! From him closer to America ...
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 February 2016 12: 52
    +2
    Honestly, some rotten stuffing ...
    And the author did not take into account the fact that this cosmodrome is being built?
    The cosmodrome, his mother, who, if he cooks, you won’t be sure to put him in a year or two,
    with any money. Launchers of the wrong system? And figs with them, it’s not so difficult to remake them.
    But to create everything else ...
    So the article is minus.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 February 2016 13: 47
      +7
      And figs with them, it’s not so difficult to remake them.
      For your money. Just please do not touch education, medicine and pensioners.
  • Muvka
    Muvka 14 February 2016 12: 53
    +2
    Quote: WINovikov
    No need to talk about every step of the investigation, but at least one punished name?

    After you give me the name and surname of the person who is responsible for the theft. At least one. And evidence that he was involved in this.
    P.S. it was written a little bit wrong :)
  • kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 14 February 2016 12: 54
    13
    Quote: SklochPensioner
    Enough for four paragraphs, read further - not easy to extort.
    What nonsense? !! I did not read the comments, immediately down.
    Who are you, the uncle who wrote this muin? !!

    Of these
    1. kostya-petrov
      kostya-petrov 14 February 2016 12: 57
      +2
      minus one - Boris Yefimych didn’t successfully walk along the bridge with a Ukrainian girl, he gave his soul to God.
      1. kot28.ru
        kot28.ru 14 February 2016 13: 15
        +3
        Rather DOLLAR hi ! And now, to the devil, in general, I hope that in hell! am am am
      2. KBR109
        KBR109 14 February 2016 13: 19
        +3
        Does God ??? am am am Yefim died - well, to hell with him. Russian proverb.
  • Afinogen
    Afinogen 14 February 2016 12: 56
    11
    Comrade Stalin is urgently needed. He will quickly restore order.
  • Igor V
    Igor V 14 February 2016 12: 56
    0
    The article is similar to a speech at a rally about the opening of another stall. The cosmodrome is not a stall, but a "living organism", as the author himself says, and he is born in agony. There is no need to rush, nothing good is born in a hurry.
  • Governor
    Governor 14 February 2016 13: 07
    +4
    Quote: kostya-petrov
    How tired of this whining, that we will not build anything, and will not create anything.
    I will leave one picture here, and I won’t write anything else.
    She (the picture) speaks for herself all.


    So, what is next? Has Olipmimada benefited? Was it a competent investment of gigantic funds?
  • bad
    bad 14 February 2016 13: 11
    +2
    the article is ordered from all-scribblers .. who do you work for? .. and we will break through .. don’t bury .. do not wait ..
  • fa2998
    fa2998 14 February 2016 13: 13
    +3
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    And there is such a canoe, and it will continue ...

    If there is no effective fight against corruption in the country, everywhere we will have "CONDITIONAL STARTS"! More than once this happened when the terms of the object were postponed, and the cost increased several times. Remember the Olympics (bobsleigh track). The President has already resigned himself - sending for years money for "cutting" and does not insist, they say, in the end, build something. negative hi
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 14 February 2016 13: 30
    +3
    The spaceport is only a part of the infrastructure of the space industry, where everything is interconnected and determined by the achievement of a specific goal. The objectives of the technical guidance of the projects and their financing are determined by the politicians and the country's leadership. When goals often change and reduce funding, this leads to a mess. Therefore, the main responsibility for the situation at the East Cosmodrome lies with politicians, and not with the executors of their will.
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 14 February 2016 13: 37
    +1
    The problem is no missiles.

    The hangar, due to its high cost, will fly once a year - and the launch pad will pay off in 100 years.

    Nobody is going to transfer a proton to the East; on the contrary, the liberals are going to annul it with the commissioning of the expensive Angara.

    The hangar will not be manned due to the fact that no ship and while progress in its production consists in rescheduling.

    There will be no hangar B with a hydrogen block, because there are no payloads for it - the lunar program was canceled. Most likely, there will be no manned orbital stations. And if it does, then it will again be 20-ton blocks, which Proton copes well with both weight and dimensions. And the hydrogen block itself constantly migrates to the right. So far, the real terms for him are +20 years (as the Angara had).

    All sorts of Russian Zeniths and Phoenixes are a talking room, such as the notorious Rus, Cupid, Soyuz-5, Baikal, etc.

    Modifications of the Union remain - the table for it is built; so he will stay to create the illusion of sovereign access to space.
    1. SklochPensioner
      SklochPensioner 14 February 2016 15: 56
      -1
      Quote: Gormengast
      All sorts of Russian Zeniths and Phoenixes are a talking room, such as the notorious Rus, Cupid, Soyuz-5, Baikal, etc.

      Modifications of the Union remain - the table for it is built; so he will remain to create the illusion of sovereign access to space.


      Mr. Gormengast, here you are drinking and drinking, and you are getting worse and worse ... smile

      Do not piss, we will beat gently, but hard! laughing
    2. Fat
      Fat 14 February 2016 17: 57
      -1
      Quote: Gormengast
      All sorts of Russian Zeniths and Phoenixes are a talking room, such as the notorious Rus, Cupid, Soyuz-5, Baikal, etc.

      Various modifications of the Zenit rocket were made under the conditions of Russian-Ukrainian technological interaction at the production association Southern Machine-Building Plant named after A. Makarova ”(Yuzhmash) in Dnepropetrovsk, with 70% of components, including marching oxygen-kerosene engines RD-171M LPD (NPO Energomash) and upper stages DM-SL and DM-SLB (RSC Energia) were made at Russian enterprises. Estimated cost of one carrier is 1,2-1,4 billion rubles (as of 2013 and without taking into account the price of launch services).
      Currently (2015) production of Zenit missiles is suspended - Wikipedia.
      All mixed in one pile, Dear. The spaceport is not only launching tables, you understand this very well. A full-cycle enterprise is being built from preparing the launch vehicle to launch, to logistics and, excuse me, a dining room and a beer tent. All things like that for 20-30 years. As for the missing 7.5 billion during the investigation, God forbid it will be able to prove the 10-part presented by the prosecutor. besides, these 7.5 billion rubles are 5-7 sections of twelve-story buildings of economy class in the capital
  • cyber
    cyber 14 February 2016 13: 44
    0
    And why prematurely throw substance on the fan? There is very little time left until hour X. And there it will be seen. If screwed up with a start, then we will shower ...
  • Homo
    Homo 14 February 2016 13: 46
    +1
    Recently, reading comments has become uninteresting, even dreary and disgusted! Where have patriotism, optimism, positive, pragmatism gone? If earlier they wrote about the problem (and there were no less) - we will survive, we will break through, and we didn’t worry, the victory will be ours (the general meaning was “we will break through”), but now any problem (even the smallest) turns into - “chief, everything is gone, "where we go, watch, we die, nothing good awaits us, etc., etc. In one word," kirdyk "to the country. And the worst thing is that all this (both before and now) is written by the same people. Duplicity (if not venality) is striking. It looks like people decided everything for themselves in advance, decided on whose side the victory would be, and began pouring water on the mill of those (in their opinion) who would become the winner. Doesn't this remind you of the pre-daytime in Ukraine? The infection began to infect IN !! hi
    1. Homo
      Homo 15 February 2016 14: 27
      0
      "Minusa" is your right, but what about the silence? There is nothing to argue with! tongue
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 February 2016 13: 46
    +6
    I'm surprised! The country has bloomed. developed, but gentlemen came democrats with liberals and began to water the mud of my homeland - the USSR. And after all, everyone rushed to support. despite the fact that back in 1989 there were no bursts or devastation.
    and now the problems are the problems. Venerable Dmitry spoke out that a country cannot be developed in 15 years, just want to say, let's compare 1926-1941 and 2000-2015, is there a difference?
    And they really wanted to launch the cosmodrome in December 2015 and whether the big question will be launched in April.
  • Pig
    Pig 14 February 2016 13: 52
    +3
    This is what happens when contracts for the construction of such important and complex objects are given to private hands! this in the USSR could only be built on time, and these "private traders" for another 50 years will be fooled by them that if only they paid money ...
    and also "suddenly" it turned out that in the 90s dozens (if not hundreds) of unique enterprises, design bureaus, research institutes were irrevocably ruined, and now all this has to be created anew
    you can’t decide with money; it takes years of hard work
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 14 February 2016 13: 55
    +5
    A new attempt to throw shit on the fan from the "patriots" from the new newspaper.
    The topic of the ineffectiveness of the Russian aerospace forces in Syria has gone as the whole West, and therefore their sponsors over the hill, has already recognized that our aerospace forces are very effective there.
    A new crap has begun on the topic "Nothing will fly from the East, since Putin's team stole everything and it's time to change it"

    It’s a pity that I’m not 37 years old ..

    No one thought why Stalin began a large-scale cleaning of the ranks of crap not in the mid-20s immediately after Lenin's death, but in the second half of the 30s?
    Stalin was well aware that if you arrange a purge in the 20s while the country was not firmly on its feet, it means slowing down the development of the country and therefore arranged a purge in the second half of the 30s.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 14 February 2016 15: 40
      +2
      Quote: lopvlad
      ... No one thought why Stalin began a massive purge of ranks ...


      No one thought about why, during the five-year plans, the tasks that Stalin set were fulfilled and exceeded? Correctly. No one dared to disobey and worked in two or three shifts. You can see the lists of USSR citizens awarded in these years, you can find out why they were awarded and compare with the current time ...
      In 1930, speaking at the XNUMXth Congress of the CPSU (B.), Stalin recognized that an industrial breakthrough was possible only with the construction of “socialism in one country” and demanded a multiple increase in the tasks of the five-year plan, arguing that the plan could be overfulfilled for a number of indicators.

      Yes ... If someone was entrusted with something, then he was in the place of the assignment to the assignment. He did not go to the Seychelles, or the Bahamas, or to Courchevel, because he could be called to the phone to inform the IVS about the state of affairs (it was impossible not to answer, that is, it was possible, but only once) ...
      So, for consideration ... wink
  • A.Anatol
    A.Anatol 14 February 2016 14: 03
    +1
    Quote: avg
    Not any shootings !!! Only send all these four leaders of Roskosmos with the first start as test subjects.

    Fulfilled everything! you are invited to the podium to watch the launch!
    If NO, (and the holiday should take place) the culprit on the barrel
    with gunpowder and launch at the appointed time!
  • Lawyer
    Lawyer 14 February 2016 14: 05
    +1
    No need to invest in the construction of launch complexes. It is necessary to design and create such rocketry technology that could take off from any potato field, well, or by plane with ordinary GDP.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 14: 13
      +2
      Quote: Jurist
      It is necessary to design and create such rocketry technology that could take off from any potato field, well, or by plane with ordinary GDP.

      give a flying saucer? !!!

      do not suffer garbage or "laurels" of Tukhachev's peace do not give, so he finished badly
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 14 February 2016 15: 49
      0
      Quote: Jurist
      It is necessary to design and create such rocketry technology that could take off from any potato field, well, or by plane with ordinary GDP.

      In this matter I fully support you! The only snag - while this is a matter of the distant future!
      In the meantime, we will proceed from what is.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 14 February 2016 14: 07
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    Quote: Gormengast
    Due to its high cost, the hangar will fly once a year.

    Why, we’re a great space power, let's stir up 3-4 cosmodromes so that officials can steal money easier. Why other countries make more launches, and we create more launches! In Russia now there are 4 cosmodromes-Plesetsk, Kap. Yar, Svobodny, Baikonur. We don’t refuse from Baikonur, at least until 2050. If the East is needed, let's close at least one, save the taxpayers' money. No, the construction itself, there’s also sawing money for the operation of the facility! - we’ll build Vostochny — we’ll leave Baikonur, let the Kazakhs turn it over for metal, or take excursions or find another tenant. In the next 35 years we will pay rent and possible damage to nature. cost one Canaveral! laughing hi
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 14 February 2016 14: 15
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      I wonder how these stupid Americans manage one Canaveral!

      Well, they like stupid Zadornov like to say .. and secondly, if you do not build how to steal ?? Hence, megaprojects are a priori unbearable, I think it’s not worth calculating .. (((They haven’t mastered directly from the budget yet - they need laying ...
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 14 February 2016 14: 27
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      I wonder how these stupid Americans manage one Canaveral!

      This is from you .. lack of information, probably laughing

      Catch:

      Quote: http://www.sovkos.ru/cosmodrom/kharakteristika-zarubezhnykh-kosmodromov.html
      American spaceports

      Air Force Station "Cape Canaveral", Eastern Test Range. Located on Cape Canaveral and about. Merritt (Florida).
      Created in 1946 of the year as a missile test center. Test missile launches began in 1950 of the year. The first successful launch of the satellite took place in 1958 of the year. The range route (up to 20 LLC km) extends in a southeastern direction over the Atlantic and Indian Oceans and ends near the Prince Edward Islands and has three missile head fall areas (Grand Turk, Antigua and Ascension Islands).
      After the announcement of the beginning of the Lunar Program, the territory of the center was expanded and occupied the adjacent to Cape Fr. Merritt. NASA bought 223 km2 from Florida in addition to its former territory of 335 km. In the summer of 1962, the space center was renamed into the Launch Preparation Center, and in November 1963 of the year was given the current name - the John F. Kennedy Space Center.
      From the cosmodrome it is possible to launch spacecraft into orbits by inclination from 28 to 57 degrees.
      The preparation of missiles for launch is carried out by mobile and mixed methods. The assembly of space-rocket systems is carried out in the MIC (vertically, on the launch platform (for example, Space Shuttle now and Orion / Ares in the future) and horizontally (to modify the Delta IV launch vehicle without launch accelerators), with removal to the launch and installation in a vertical position) and at the starting position - when hitching up launch boosters (for example, on the Delta IV and Atlas V launch vehicles).

      Air Force Base "Vandenberg", Western Test Range (Western Test Range, until 1965 of the year - Pacific Test Range). Located in the Los Angeles area (California), it unites several polygons and bases (Vandenberg, Point Arguello, etc.).
      The first launch of the satellite in 1959. The range has several firing ranges: in the south-west direction - to launch an ICBM; in the south - to launch the satellite into polar orbits; in the northeast (towards Utah and Nevada) - for launches of the BRDS A flight route with a length of about 10OOO ​​km passes over the Pacific Ocean and ends at about. Canton (Phoenix Island) and near the Kwajalein Atoll (Marshall Islands).
      The preparation of missiles for launch is carried out by fixed and mixed methods. Heavy launch vehicles are assembled vertically in the MIC and at the starting position (with the exception of Atlas V and Delta IV, assembled horizontally); lungs - in a combined way (the three upper stages of the Taurus rocket are assembled horizontally in the hangar, and then with the help of a crane the assembly is installed on the first stage, standing vertically on the SK).
    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null 14 February 2016 14: 28
      0
      Continued:

      Wallops Test Center (Wallop Island Test Center). Located on about. Wallops (Virginia). The first successful space launch (Exp1ogeg-9 satellite) took place in the 1961 year. Since then, light launch vehicles of Scout, Minotaur launched from the launch site. It is planned to build an SC for the promising commercial carrier Taurus-2. Also from the landfill, launches of Pegasus air launch vehicles are carried out. The rocket stages are assembled horizontally in the MIC. Ground launch missiles on the launcher are raised using the boom of the elevator and are installed in a vertical position; air launch vehicles are suspended in a horizontal position under the wing of an aircraft carrier on the runway.

      Spaceport Kodiak, opened in 2001 year for light launch vehicle launches. The decision to build a commercial launch complex on Cape Narrow (Sarah) of Kodiak Island was made in July 1991. The main goal was considered the promotion of high technology in the most underdeveloped of the states - Alaska. It was assumed that this would be the only non-federal spaceport in the United States. Alaska Aerospace Development Corp. took over the development of the area in 12,5 km2 reserved for the launch complex. (AADC). The necessary funds were obtained from several sources, including from the federal budget, from the Ministry of Defense and NASA. The latter planned to launch missiles from Kodiak to test military technologies, as well as light carriers of scientific and commercial spacecraft. The first launch of the Athena 1 launch vehicle with four GHGs - PICOSat, Sapphire, PCSat and Starshine 3 satellites - took place on September 29 of 2001. Also used for testing for US missile defense.

      Kwajalein (Reagan test site). Missile range at Kwajalein Atoll (Marshall Islands archipelago) in the Pacific Ocean. SpaceX built on about. Omelek of the atoll of the PU rocket Falcon-1, the first successful launch of which took place in September 2008 of the year. Also above the landfill, launches of Pegasus air launch vehicles are carried out.


      Something like that,. request
  • Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 14 February 2016 14: 15
    0
    This article reminds me of custom-made articles about construction for the Sochi Olympics. They also wrote that they do not have time for anything, that everything is plundered and a complete failure. So what?. Such complex objects, and even at the level of the latest SPACE technologies, cannot be without problems. The fact that in the course of changing some projects is the same is not something out of the ordinary. The only thing that is correct in the article is the "strange" lack of the strictest control, which made it possible to plunder funds and delay construction. Such theft should go like sabotage and high treason with all the ensuing consequences.
  • roskot
    roskot 14 February 2016 14: 18
    -3
    Quote: Nick
    In general, it is surprising that such a note without an author


    And this is the stuffing of the all-crawler. Therefore, without a signature.
    And "Dostochny" will be as expected. On time.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 February 2016 18: 35
      +2
      On time.
      Mister, idiot, the deadline passed in December 2015.
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 14 February 2016 14: 35
    -3
    I will experience unprecedented enthusiasm and patriotism as soon as I see a missile block with a diameter of more than 4,1 meters. (Union - 2,68-2,95 m; Proton - 4,1 m; Angara - 2,9 m; Zenit - 3,9 m; DM - max - 4,1 m; Breeze - 2,5 , 3,35 m., Frigate - XNUMX m. Even - Salute, World and ISS modules - 4,1 m.) am

    A spaceport is not needed if there are no rockets, but no rockets, because back in the USSR (then it was progressive) they chose a diameter corresponding to the railway gauge, and still, with the stupidity of a donkey, they continue to copy it. They cannot fill in a sufficient supply of fuel if the engine can produce 800-1000 tons of traction (or even 1500 - it is quite realistic); the block turns out to be excessively long. So they design, instead of rockets, bundles of rods.
    1. iouris
      iouris 14 February 2016 15: 04
      0
      In the US, just the same, only they already have a track.
      There is also air transport, but Eltsyn "Mriya" left Kravchuk (together with the design bureau).
      By the way, what changes in the fate of Rogozhin must occur in order to launch the spaceport?
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 14 February 2016 16: 06
        0
        In the USA, just as well


        Especially heavy "Delta-4 Heavy" projected by SLS, historical Saturn-1 and -1B, not to mention Saturn-5.

        Well, Arian-5, the projected Great Campaign-5, H-IIB.

        There is no problem for small and medium-sized rockets, but there are for large ones.
  • Million
    Million 14 February 2016 14: 36
    +4
    There is no business executive in the government, only lawyers and hucksters
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    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 14 February 2016 18: 47
      +1
      Quote: Million
      There is no business executive in the government, only lawyers and hucksters

      Moreover, lawyers huckster cover
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 14 February 2016 15: 14
    0
    An article without an author, or what? I didn't see it on the original source either. While discussing one of the topics, I read about "Eastern" fabrications of one of the bloggers, all with the same epithets and verbal phrases. But he has nothing to do with Russia, and even more so with Vostochny, even indirectly. You would be the author, open your face, but something like that (not komelfo).
  • Old26
    Old26 14 February 2016 15: 33
    +3
    Quote: avg
    Not any shootings !!! Only send all these four leaders of Roskosmos with the first start as test subjects.

    One of which will have to be dug from the grave?

    Quote: kot28.ru
    how competently he cites the numbers, how much the described PU wear parameters are true

    At one time (in the early 80s) I heard about the same figure. For the lungs, type 11K65 - after 25 starts, repair (anyway I can’t remember, medium or capital), for
    "sevens" - 20, but for "Protons" - to be honest I don't remember, somewhere around 15-16

    Quote: fif21
    Who is watching the GDP-Rogozin? So he will answer. Or a chest in crosses, or a head in bushes. Spring planting will begin. It would be nice with confiscation and everything to a penny to return.

    About Rogozin. He will not have a chest in crosses, not a head in the bushes. This is an unsinkable batter, capable of working exclusively for the public. Usually, there is no exhaust from him, neither when he was a representative in NATO, nor now. Noise happens. Will go away. There will be a decree on dismissal "in connection with the transfer to another job."
    About confiscation. Do not give in to pipe dreams. To do this, you must first return to the Criminal Code an article on confiscation.

    Quote: bad
    the article is ordered from all-scribblers .. who do you work for? .. and we will break through .. don’t bury .. do not wait ..

    It's strange. Everyone sees what he wants. One about the mess at construction, the second considers the article to be ordered. How many times have the dates moved, that of the launch of the cosmodrome, that of the launch of the Angara or a new ship? What is being done at the cosmodrome now under the guise of saving budget funds is the construction of one launch of each type. It's not even a mistake, it's a crime. Any accident at the start and the need to repair it will put an end to the cosmodrome.

    Quote: Gormengast
    I will experience unprecedented enthusiasm and patriotism as soon as I see a missile block with a diameter of more than 4,1 meters. (Union - 2,68-2,95 m; Proton - 4,1 m; Angara - 2,9 m; Zenit - 3,9 m; DM - max - 4,1 m; Breeze - 2,5 , 3,35 m., Frigate - XNUMX m. Even - Salute, World and ISS modules - 4,1 m.) am

    A spaceport is not needed if there are no rockets, but no rockets, because back in the USSR (then it was progressive) they chose a diameter corresponding to the railway gauge, and still, with the stupidity of a donkey, they continue to copy it. They cannot fill in a sufficient supply of fuel if the engine can produce 800-1000 tons of traction (or even 1500 - it is quite realistic); the block turns out to be excessively long. So they design, instead of rockets, bundles of rods.

    Is that what you blame the designers for? What they order, what will be in the TTZ, they will do it. But our "effective managers" from astronautics do not know what they want. So they choose either the size of 4,1 or 5,5 meters, without thinking with their heads. In the USSR, the cargo was delivered by rail to Baikonur. At the same time, there was not a single tunnel on the highway. For some reason, when choosing the location of the new cosmodrome, they chose not the most successful one. And now it will be a rather difficult problem to deliver the overall blocks to Vostochny.
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 14 February 2016 16: 11
      +1
      And you blame designers for this?


      Not those who design, but those fools who order music. They not only do not know what they want; they don’t want to know, and directly wreck, as it happened with the Hangar.

      Proton - 10-12 launches per year; mass of commercial. And Angara - 1 launch per year and where is commerce?
      And Vostochny will also - 2-3 launches per year (for PR); and Baikonur - 20-30.
  • solkhat
    solkhat 14 February 2016 15: 46
    -2
    You know, this article resembles a howl when Putin was planning to hold an Olympics in Sochi. Then there were smart people who criticized Putin for unreasonable spending of money that covers his own and other dirt. Now it’s the same thing. Why yell? Or go and work or stop shitting in the press.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 14 February 2016 16: 54
      +7
      Quote: Solhat
      Then there were also wise men who criticized Putin for unreasonable spending of money

      And now it makes sense to talk about the reasonableness of such expenses, especially since there is an equally costly mundial on the nose.
      that covers his

      I don’t know how much all sorts of Belyalov’s, etc. are for Putin, but the fact that no one sat down is for sure.
      and other dirt

      Dirt does not stick to the Sun, and if you see spots on it, then this is an optical illusion, adjusted by enemies.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 14 February 2016 16: 15
    +2
    Cadres decide everything. Or do not decide.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 14 February 2016 17: 03
      +3
      Personnel

      Great Putin and his People's Commissar "on skeet". One has grown old, the other has grown thin. Everyone is excited about space. How is he there?
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 14 February 2016 18: 10
        +2
        I think both are in full order. They turn over such bucks, you still need to be able to not live here for your own pleasure.
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 14 February 2016 16: 27
    0
    And I like the idea of ​​sending the chief construction manager in the first flight. If it burns out, it will land a hero, there is no and no COURT soldier
  • koralvit
    koralvit 14 February 2016 16: 37
    +2
    Stole, especially the budget money, return everything to the penny, and the punishment is confiscation of property and imprisonment for a long time. It’s not necessary to shoot, let it work for the state. Impunity corrupts. In Russia, theft was elevated to the rank of law, for 70 years the Soviet people created public property, and then they threw it, and everything is legal. Okay, stolen legally, what the people created by inhuman efforts, you now own property, make a profit, so please return stolen deductions to the pension fund. The bowels belong to the people, and what the people have from these bowels, in the Soviet Union, although education and health care were free. And our elite can only share the excess profits from these bowels. It was necessary to invest these earnings in the development of industry and agriculture, and they invested them in American candy wrappers, thanks, that's smart.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 14 February 2016 18: 17
      0
      Confiscation issue. Because they paint the property on the wife, children and relatives. And you can’t touch them - innocent. Often, property is already in the west, and there, too, I do not want to lose investment in their economy
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 February 2016 19: 36
        +1
        Quote: kuz363
        Confiscation issue. Because they paint the property on the wife, children and relatives.

        this is not a problem - this is an excuse
        revealed the illegality of the transaction at a time and the transfer of rights to a third party at a time
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