Ukrainian BTR-3, made of Soviet BTR-70 hulls

The fact that for the manufacture of Ukrainian BTR-3 the hulls of the Soviet “seventies” were used became known in the fall of 2015. However, the Ukrainian manufacturer categorically denied it, apparently not wanting to scare potential foreign customers. But recently, the defenders confessed honestly: yes, we saw the BTR-70 corps and, on their basis, create new armored vehicles. This blog writes bmpd with reference to the press service of the Kiev Armored Plant.

In its release from February 3, the plant announced the production of 2-x prototypes - the BTR-3DA and the BTR-3DA / 70.

“Their difference is that the armored body of the BTR-3DA / 70 is manufactured using the lower part of the BTR-70. In the period from 19.10.2015 to 23.10.2015, both samples successfully passed departmental tests. The identified deficiencies are worked out by the Chief Designer of the State Enterprise "KMDB" and measures have been taken to eliminate them. Currently, the State Contract for the supply of armored personnel carriers BTR-3DA for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been concluded between the Defense Ministry and the Kiev Armored Plant State Enterprise, ”the message says.

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[avvg]

They use the Soviet heritage, and at the same time "rude" the Soviet period.

[Sid.74]

Here it is glory and Square ...

And so in all the way it is ... over time, any peremoga turns into a zradu. Axiom?

[SRC P-15]

State contract for the supply of armored personnel carriers BTR-3DA

After decryption it turns out: BTR-ZRADA? Or add only the Latin letter "pi" in front?

[Sid.74]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

After decryption it turns out: BTR-ZRADA?

Oh, how! But surely. These Iraqi armored personnel carriers were sent back, due to the fact that cracks were found in the hulls ... now everything fell into place.

[cyberhanter]

Didn't the Iraqis BTR-4 wrap up?

[sever.56]

http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/056/tufi990.jpg

[Mikado]

Is this true or fake about the Maxim machine gun in the photo?

[Name classified]

Maybe it’s true - the machine is reference, if stored properly. You don’t run, of course, but it’s good for defense.
But why did he need Anka the machine gunner of 44 years of release - already more interesting)))

[field engineer]

They just did not save the maintenance instructions.

[Pereira]

Jump-skok, jump-skok,
Here is the reward
with a back to the east,
And between the rolls of zrad.

[VP]

If the old Soviet corps is sanded, then it is already considered independent and is not subject to lustration.

[vodolaz]

Here's to you, grandmother, and St. George's Day. But what about the latest weapons? Although recently in the topic about import substitution in Ukrainian it was said that German diesels would be installed in the "newest" BTR-3 and BTR-4, I already had the idea that they would be made from 80-k buildings, but here it even turned out ... Although, after the resuscitation of the anti-tank "Babies", nothing is surprising.

[tilovaykrisa]

Emens successfully Saudi Abrams harness.

[Finches]

On VO it is necessary along with the pages: "EVENTS", NATIONAL SECURITY, "GEOPOLITICS", "OPINION", "RESULTS".
.., and so on, section "NEWS FROM 404 COUNTRY", so that there would be to print everything that concerns Ukraine! And then if all this nonsense is perceived in serious sections, you can get started with your mind!

[bocsman]

The key word here is "sawing". The USSR was the richest country! They saw the remaining legacy and did not finish it in any way. But when everything comes to an end or, according to circumstances, another word with the same ending. And the most svidomye for some reason forget about it or do not want to remember!

[Serg koma]

Quote: bocsman

Saw the remaining inheritance and not finish it.

Mosin rifle MMG
Deactivation - Shepetivka, Ukraine
Machine gun DP-27 MMG
Deactivation - Shepetivka, Ukraine
PPSh MMG submachine gun
Deactivation - Shepetivka, Ukraine
PPS MMG submachine gun


Yeah ... Saw-saw. sawing, sawing, sawing ALL "property of the republic" by no means can And if only the brand is cut down? - Peremoga! "new" weapons made by the country in / on

[fyvaprold]

Judging by the photo, the Ukrainians did not lie, the body of the BTR-80. Sincerely.

[RUSS]

Quote: avvg

They use the Soviet heritage, and at the same time "rude" the Soviet period.

Before melt they will use what else you can

[RUSS]

I cut it from what was, well, and what was it was what I got!

[Sasha 19871987]

there are really not enough old beds on the sides, like grenade traps))) the conclusion is obvious, they have less and less normal equipment ... soon the drunk will completely leave the army without equipment at such a pace ...

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

By cunning, Ukrainians successfully compete with the Jews.

[valera]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

By cunning, Ukrainians successfully compete with the Jews.

Here are just Moiseyevs produce a slightly better product.

[kapitan92]

Let us recall the saying- "Where the crest passed there a Jew has nothing to do."

[paxil]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

By cunning, Ukrainians successfully compete with the Jews.

No, there is such a popular saying: Where a crest has passed, there is nothing for a Jew to do. Or one more: a crest was born, a Jew cried.

[vvp2412]

Where the crest took place, the Jew has nothing to do!
Didn’t you hear such a saying?

[oborzevatel]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

By cunning, Ukrainians successfully compete with the Jews.

They are far from Jews.
As to China - creeping ...

[bocsman]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

By cunning, Ukrainians successfully compete with the Jews.

Do not make me laugh ! In Ukraine, from childhood, they talked about such "cunning" ones - they are foolish, foolish and cunning! It is clear in what way.
When the mentally retarded begins to cheat, it’s ridiculous and sorry for his unfinished business. This daring with might and main is demonstrated by the modern "elite" of Ukraine.

[Hubun]

Everything new is well forgotten old, in this situation it is more relevant than ever))))

[Kars]

In its release from February 3, the plant announced the production of 2-x prototypes - the BTR-3DA and the BTR-3DA / 70.

3 BTR has already been produced for ten years. So why then try and build prototypes if they have been sawed from BTR-70 all the time? So the title of the article is not correct. Must be added to the title - they will be made.
They are trying to reduce the cost of production, and to engage in cash resources from storage bases.

[Baloo_bst]

Now we are waiting for tearful confessions from which the super newest tanks "Bulat" and "Oplot" were sculpted.

P.S. Probably not the topic, but recently came across:

According to the results of comparative tests of T-84 tanks in Greece in 1998:
When overcoming a wall 1 meter high, the Ukrainian T - 84 tank with the Greek crew did not overcome the obstacle. Attempts to perform the test resulted in injuries to the crew. The Ukrainian crew overcame the wall, but at the exit there was a damage to the exhaust grille.
When checking the operability of the stabilizer in the conditions of the roll of the machine (15 degrees), the tower is withdrawn.
The T - 84 tank could not overcome the obstacle (a 32 degree steep climb with a stop on the rise.) The tank rolled down due to insufficient power, which confirms the conclusion about a significant loss of engine power in object conditions. According to Greek experts, the Ukrainian T - 84 showed the worst result. On the contrary, the Russian T-80U tank was the only combat vehicle that passed all the tests to overcome obstacles without comment.
The Ukrainian tank showed unsatisfactory environmental parameters of the 6TD-2 engine. During the march, the Greek crew of the Challenger tank following in the convoy was poisoned with exhaust gases from the Ukrainian vehicle in front and refused to continue further movement. Later, the tank crews following the Ukrainian tank were forced to use respirators. Making a march with a length of 1000 km. When making the first daily passage, the Greek crew of the T - 84 tank refused to continue moving after passing the mountainous section, citing increased fatigue. This is due to the absence of a hydrostatic transmission, a steering wheel, as well as a large number of gears on the T-84 tank.
The maximum speed on the march for the T - 84 was 65 km / h. A similar indicator of the Russian tank T-80U was recorded at 80 km / h.
It should be noted that during the tests at two stages (overcoming obstacles and completing 1000 km. March), the track of the Ukrainian tank changed the set of tracks twice, while the Russian tank was not replaced.
Checking the parameters and operability of aiming and surveillance devices. During the passage of this test on the T-84 tank, the thermal imaging sight failed, which was not restored until the end of the test (within 1,5 months). This failure was the reason for the non-participation of the Ukrainian tank in milestones at night. Testing results of Russian aiming devices exceeded the declared parameters.
Dismantling and installation of the engine. The head of the Ukrainian working group for testing the T-84 tank refused to submit the car for testing, since the dismantling and installation of the 6TD engine was 2,5 days. On the Russian T-80U tank, the gas turbine engine was dismantled and installed within 3,5 hours.

I can’t answer for reliability, but the events of recent years give reason to assume that this is true.

[Altona]

Quote: Kars

They are trying to reduce the cost of production, and to engage in cash resources from storage bases.

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Cheaper so that even under a thick layer of paint visible handicraft repair plant.

[Kars]

Quote: Baloo_bst

- 84 refused to submit the car for testing, since the dismantling and installation time of the 6TD engine is 2,5 days. On the Russian tank T-80U, the dismantling and installation of a gas turbine engine was carried out during 3,5 hours

I wonder who this little fake riveted? Just wondering how with such characteristics MTO

SUAT successfully passed tests on the Al-Khalid tank in Pakistan in 2003. That made it possible to implement a contract for the supply of MTOs with an 6TD-2 engine for Al-Khalid tanks and the modernization of tanks in operation.

probably did not try to change the engine.

Quote: Baloo_bst

on the results of comparative tests of T-84 tanks in Greece

Well, don’t you slander, in Greece the T-84 did not differ much from the usual T-80, so not everything is exactly in your link

Quote: Altona

They have reduced the price so much that even under a thick layer of paint you can see the handicraft of the repair plant

What are you)) who is applying a thick layer of paint now, it's expensive.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Kars

What are you)) who is applying a thick layer of paint now, it's expensive.

It's easier / cheaper to close breasts (as in the photo)

[Kars]

Quote: Serg Koma

It's easier / cheaper to close breasts (as in the photo)

Do they have any?

[Serg koma]

Quote: Kars

Do they have any?

steel for the production of armored personnel carriers was taken in Alchevsk. Now that Alchevsk has remained in the occupied territory, the Kiev armored vehicle is considering the possibility of producing military vehicles from Polish or Finnish armor

In this case, in view of the "cheapening" used armor is used. Do you think this is not a defect?

[Kars]

_______________________-

The head of the Ukrainian T-84 tank test team refused to submit the car for a test, since the time for dismantling and installing the 6TD engine is 2,5 days

All the same, it’s interesting - if the test refused, how did you find out the time?)))

[Kars]

I see the cons. Can you say in words?

[johnny]

Quote: Kars

, how did you find out the time?)))

At home, oh litter, fatherland, maybe they found out?

[Kars]

Another aspect is the ease of maintenance of the tank engine, in which the B-84 and B-92С2 are inferior to foreign diesels.

The T-72 and T-90 tanks are characterized by the high laboriousness of repair work when replacing units and components of the engine-transmission compartment and the chassis. Replacing the engine is difficult due to poor access to it in the engine compartment and the need for centering work (replacing the engine with a factory team consisting of 4 people takes 22.2 hours. Having a guitar and the need to center other units with it complicates and complicates the repair work in the engine-transmission compartment. This did not meet the requirements for advanced armored vehicles in the 70-ies.

Dismantling of the B-92С2 even takes up to 4 hours at factory demonstrations, installation of the engine requires laborious alignment operations, in general, replacing the engine under normal conditions takes up to a day.

To eliminate the above disadvantages of tanks for tanks T-80UD, T-84 and "Al Khalid" KhKBM them. A.A. Morozov, with the participation of other design and research organizations of Ukraine, carried out a set of works consisting in the creation of a stepless rotation mechanism and an integrated digital control system for tank units. When creating an infinitely variable turning mechanism, Ukrainian tank builders do not copy the dual-flow hydro-volume turning mechanism installed on all foreign tanks of the third post-war generation, although such a mechanism was developed during the modernization of T-64 tanks in the middle of the 80-s. Kharkov designers took the path of using onboard hydraulic-volume-mechanical transmissions, which simultaneously fulfill the role of on-board transmissions and a turning mechanism.

It is strange that in the end it turned out 2,5 days))) Well, okay. One and the same in a bunch of articles, but no one wrote a source about time.

[Serg81]

So the fact of the matter is that they from the beginning of the BTR-80 did

[johnny]

Well, yes, the Thais, too, 10 "new" Strongholds with old buildings of the Soviet 80ok were pushed in.))) They also apparently tried to reduce the cost of production
It looks like your military industry was completely blown away, and only you can saw through the legacy of the USSR you hated.

[denni]

Tse explicit paramogu. Repainted chicken-turned eagle

[GRAY]

Does anyone know what kind of booth he has welded next to the landing hatch? Is it necessary to lay firewood there?

[RUSS]

Quote: GRAY

Does anyone know what kind of booth he has welded next to the landing hatch? Is it necessary to lay firewood there?

This is a safe.

[Retvizan 8]

Naive question! Yak identity under bacon-oh!

[GRAY]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Naive question! Yak identity under bacon-oh!

I found another option - with a shield for cyborgs.

[Normal ok]

Judging by the fact that from the other side of the APC you can see the barrel of a 120mm PM, this "shield" is the base plate of the mortar.

[pv1005]

Quote: GRAY

Quote: Retvizan 8

Naive question! Yak identity under bacon-oh!

I found another option - with a shield for cyborgs.

But nothing that it’s just a base plate under the mortar whose barrel sticks out of the body.

[GRAY]

Quote: pv1005

But nothing is just a base plate under a 120 mm mortar whose barrel sticks out of the body.

Nothing, I didn’t notice the trunk - I repent, but I don’t intend to refuse the offer.

[pv1005]

Quote: GRAY

Quote: pv1005

But nothing is just a base plate under a 120 mm mortar whose barrel sticks out of the body.

Nothing, I didn’t notice the trunk - I repent, but I don’t intend to refuse the offer.

Your right.

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

A self-propelled mortar or something, on the roof, hinged hatches for half a roof, and a plate in case you need to pull it out of the vehicle? Old garbage trucks don't suit you anymore? Give me a new armored personnel carrier?
Is this photo before or after firing? What's with the bottom?

[Serg koma]

Quote: pv1005

it's just a base plate under the mortar whose trunk sticks out of the body.

Instructions for preparing for shooting:
1. Aim the mortar barrel at the target by choosing the right slope / incline with a combat vehicle
2. DRAG the base plate of the mortar into the armored housing
3. After "preparing to fire", it is NOT NECESSARY to shoot - the enemy died of laughter ...

[Michael_59]

Quote: GRAY

with a shield for cyborgs.

With an umbrella. Still a zombie.

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

These are Ukrainians. They are household people - on the way they will find a "valuable" thing - there will be somewhere to put it.

[Andrew 447]

I understand that Svidomo designers did not hear about metal fatigue. The old bottom for 30 years of age welded to the fresh metal of the case is something, purely Ukrainian know-how. Although there is a suspicion that there is a completely 70 body, only inside the body did garage tuning and changed the geometry of the tower opening + combat module.

[AlexTires]

Quote: Andrew 447

As I understand it, Svidomo designers did not hear about metal fatigue. The old bottom for 30 years of age welded to the fresh metal of the body is something, purely Ukrainian know-how.

Exactly, the case which is 30 years old and the new case, there is a difference after all ... besides, the old cases will someday end ...

[pv1005]

Quote: Andrew 447

I understand that Svidomo designers did not hear about metal fatigue. The old bottom for 30 years of age welded to the fresh metal of the case is something, purely Ukrainian know-how. Although there is a suspicion that there is a completely 70 body, only inside the body did garage tuning and changed the geometry of the tower opening + combat module.

Judging by the photograph presented, the case is more likely from the BTR-80.

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

only the roof was cut off from the BTR-70, the sides were set up and they were closed with a new roof and a new armament. Plus new weapons and an engine. A few years pass - for Ukrainians it is an eternity. Against the background of what Ukrainians have done in recent years, the BTR-3 is simply a masterpiece. Even the mortar was ducked.

[Mountain shooter]

It seems that they are trying to reduce the cost of all that is possible. And estimates for the manufacture are set, as they did from scratch. Old school of the 90s, already forgotten in Russia.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Old school of the 90s, already forgotten in Russia.

??? is it forgotten in Russia? Rather modernized - Ostap Bender's students have already defended their doctoral degrees on the topic "1 million ways of" honest "money withdrawal"

[rotmistr60]

the BTR-3DA / 70 case is made using the lower part of the BTR-70

It doesn't matter what they collect, it is important against whom. Every piece of hardware assembled in Ukraine will ultimately be used against those who disagree with the Ukrainian regime.

[Mama_Cholli]

Interestingly, and that yellow-black rag in the photo performs some technical function? For example, a parachute.

[Bacha]

Quote: GRAY

Does anyone know what kind of booth he has welded next to the landing hatch? Is it necessary to lay firewood there?

Box for a marauder)))

[VP]

And what is their problem with the manufacture of new cases?
They didn’t pour metal for armor in the Donbass?
So they should have enough castings, but not everyone can issue high-quality armor.
With the release of Bastions, they may also have problems due to the armor.

[Serg koma]

Quote: VP

They didn’t pour metal for armor in the Donbass?

I won’t say exactly, but it seems like the armor was produced in Mariupol and at the Alchevsk Metallurgical Plant.

[avdkrd]

Quote: VP

And what is their problem with the manufacture of new cases?
They didn’t pour metal for armor in the Donbass?
So they should have enough castings, but not everyone can issue high-quality armor.
With the release of Bastions, they may also have problems due to the armor.

There is a problem with both armor and welding. Kakly can not comply with the technical regulations for welding even old buildings. Not because they do not know how - specialists and technologists probably have it, you just need to observe a bunch of nuances in temperature conditions, not to save on electrodes, but to apply the technology specifically prescribed by the technology and many other little things that are simply not able to reproduce in the era of the collapse of production. In Iraq, some kind of technique was caused by welding seams, and some people justified themselves before their audience and said that it was too expensive in the current conditions to keep the APC body for days after welding in special boxes with adjustable temperature control. Tank construction in dill is already a lost technology. The only thing they can do is remake a la garage tuning. Most likely, specialists and designers remained with good groundwork on the basis of both Soviet developments and relatively new ones, but they can no longer translate into metal at least at the former level.

[activator]

Quote: avdkrd

Quote: VP

And what is their problem with the manufacture of new cases?
They didn’t pour metal for armor in the Donbass?
So they should have enough castings, but not everyone can issue high-quality armor.
With the release of Bastions, they may also have problems due to the armor.

There is a problem with both armor and welding. Kakly can not comply with the technical regulations for welding even old buildings. Not because they do not know how - specialists and technologists probably have it, you just need to observe a bunch of nuances in temperature conditions, not to save on electrodes, but to apply the technology specifically prescribed by the technology and many other little things that are simply not able to reproduce in the era of the collapse of production. In Iraq, some kind of technique was caused by welding seams, and some people justified themselves before their audience and said that it was too expensive in the current conditions to keep the APC body for days after welding in special boxes with adjustable temperature control. Tank construction in dill is already a lost technology. The only thing they can do is remake a la garage tuning. Most likely, specialists and designers remained with good groundwork on the basis of both Soviet developments and relatively new ones, but they can no longer translate into metal at least at the former level.

So why write nonsense about all sorts of cameras? If you can give an example from the production of BTR 82 where the cases are kept for days in the cells. Can you imagine the process?

[Sorokin]

But who did not figure out what the saw will be for mine resistance and generally for the strength of the case? Why are engineers quite dumb? We drank Shura drank. There is no sopromat, and you need to learn another pairing.

[Bacha]

This is what, here they made a unique BMP, so the whole family was laughing so hard)))

[Humpty]

Rezun, besides the piles of his ernism, gave out one very true thought - they don’t swear weapons!

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrew 447

I understand that Svidomo designers did not hear about metal fatigue. The old bottom for 30 years of age welded to the fresh metal of the case is something, purely Ukrainian know-how. Although there is a suspicion that there is a completely 70 body, only inside the body did garage tuning and changed the geometry of the tower opening + combat module.

Booking BTR 70
Armor type rolled steel
Forehead of the hull, mm/deg. 8..10
Board of the case, mm / city. sixteen
Feed housing, mm / city. thirteen
Front of the tower, mm / deg. Xnumx
Board towers, mm / city. 6
The feed of the tower, mm / city. 6
Considering the age of the case, the old "darling" will sew through!

[VP]

They write that only the lower part is used.
It looks like they have a technology "to take the old base and weld sheets on it in a circle."
In general, it’s cool, the seventy has no mine protection, and this is now a priority requirement.

[Sorokin]

Duck what comrade. Anti-infantry will tear not only the transmission but also the crew with the same welded and technologically advanced personnel.

[Alexander 3]

BTR 70s were preparing for another armor-piercing shell. Now the requirements for the hull are different. Who can they put in their know-how?

[Alexez]

Beds on the sides are tuning and are not included in the standard package ... as an option, chrome knobs on the backs and an independent spring unit.

[SAM 5]

Hahlyatsky innovation.

[Michael67]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

By cunning, Ukrainians successfully compete with the Jews.

You do not confuse cunning with cunningness.
Ukraine - do not disgrace! They ruined everything that could not even be ruined. You cannot even create your own base. And expose everything as your victory. A disgrace.

[Nord2015]

And what can they do their bodies? Their Iraq contract was covered due to cracks in the armored personnel carriers. Is it from the age of metal or the curvature of the masters?

[salad]

Pressure cooker Uropitekia)))))))))

[izya top]

you forgot about "kapets separat"

[Gormenghast]

Each news from the bowels of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex is striking.

How not to laugh here; sheer zrada; hated the legacy of the USSR is crawling out of all the cracks; the strongest army in Europe is picking Soviet equipment in order to produce "18 latest designs", about which the magnificent Don Pedro recently broadcast.

[aszzz888]

"Viprobuvannaya" - the label is like on a bottle of moonshine. On these two goner things will end. Petska from Rushen, on the bald, will report to the people about the division !!!

[triglav]

And seventies will end, what will the tricks be made of?

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

From papier-mâché soaked in epoxy. What nafig difference, anyway from the machine gun breaks through.

[Yugan Oleg]

As I understand it, soon we will see them in the Donbass.

[PKK]

Ukrainians are growing above themselves, and at the same time a piece of bread and butter is enough. It’s a pity there are no hulls of the T 28 multi-tower tank.

[tchoni]

Before blaming Machiu, remember how you praised BTR82 ...

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

he has a native body, not a sawn one and not an ass;

[tchoni]

Native - is it taken from eighty eight? -)

[sgr291158]

Yeah, great and mighty dill, makes such a technique.

[PBF]

Ukrainian BTR-3, made of Soviet BTR-70 hulls

Ukrainian BTR-3, made of Soviet BTR-70 hulls

That’s why I’m not at all surprised? And so svidomye, broke the whole head, how to cram a German engine into the old building.

[kos2910]

Quote: VP

They didn’t pour metal for armor in the Donbass?

Perhaps, but there was an article that on the Kharkov tank made T-64 from boiler steel for the sake of cost reduction, well, Oplot too :)

[semuel]

In the photo, the case is 80s.

[magirus401]

"During the march, the Greek crew of the Challenger tank following in the convoy was poisoned by the exhaust gases from the Ukrainian vehicle in front and refused to continue further movement. Later, the tank crews following the Ukrainian tank were forced to use respirators."

Maybe these are other gases, not exhaust, and therefore more carbon monoxide.

[Kars]

Quote: magirus401

During the march, the Greek crew of the Challenger tank following in the convoy was poisoned with exhaust

You can see the Challenger can’t go with the closed hatches. And so you can stand the floor for a part of the pld exhaust with T-90 exhaust)) you’ll get more health.

[evil partisan]

sawing the case BTR-70

That’s because the nation just saw something!

[Gray 43]

Surely not all of the Soviet legacy sold? There is still something to craft crafts

[Balagan]

Well, judging by the rate of decommunization, the APC should have a self-destruction system that responds to the exclamation of "Heroic fat"

[evge-malyshev]

Use? Do not waste good. Cards in hand ...

[ISSIDOR]

No cuts are visible on the case - this is the BTR 70 corpus

[mr.grin19z]

soon guns will be put on the bulldozer

[navispi]

Are these the armored personnel carriers that stood in orderly rows around Chernobyl? A lot of them were in pictures from outer space, and then they somehow resolved ... Half-life probably ...

[zibo1668]

In the country 404 and technology is not ah ....