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Improvised Syrian self-propelled gun with a Soviet gun

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The network has new, better-quality photos, which have already become quite well-known Syrian improvised self-propelled guns on a wheeled chassis. Snapshots posted a blog bmpdby borrowing them on Twitter from @oryxspioenkop.


Improvised Syrian self-propelled gun with a Soviet gun


"The photographs show several ACSs that were created in the Syrian Arab Army by imposing the swinging part of the Soviet 130-mm M-46 towed cannon on the chassis of an allegedly Mercedes-Benz ACTROS 4140 commercial vehicle with a wheel formula 8х4," the blogger comments.



The photographs allow us to assess the "relatively high level of performance of this hybrid, as well as the presence of the obvious" serial production "of similar self-propelled guns in the" government zone "of Syria," he notes.



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  1. vodolaz
    vodolaz 12 February 2016 11: 04
    25
    Seriously approached the question) And as I understand it, they are very successfully used.
    1. i80186
      i80186 12 February 2016 11: 19
      27
      Cubans, those more serious guys. M-46 on the T-34 chassis smile
      1. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 12 February 2016 11: 40
        +5
        you can still see a better performance than the Khokhlov smiths ... and the gun itself is very good in terms of performance, so good luck in exterminating all kinds of kov like ig and others ....
      2. Alexez
        Alexez 12 February 2016 11: 45
        +6
        In conditions of long distances and a developed network of roads, a wheeled chassis is still preferable, both in terms of mobility of movement and in terms of resource component. Our approach is cheap and cheerful!
      3. Lex.
        Lex. 12 February 2016 14: 27
        +3
        Cubans, those more serious guys. M-46 on the T-34 chassis
        Cubans do not fight with anyone, and on wheels Sau do not need transportation
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    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 12 February 2016 11: 21
      11
      Overview of the situation in Syria, Iraq and Yemen.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 12 February 2016 11: 30
        +8
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Overview of the situation in Syria, Iraq and Yemen.

        Speaking of Hussites .. yes
        Fresh trophies of the Hussites. We went into the caponier as to my home, they did not even see the approach.

        1. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 12 February 2016 11: 54
          +6
          It hurts a lot like German assault rifles bully , Frau Merkel, what is it? negativeAre you das, dance?
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 12 February 2016 17: 47
          +3
          Quote: Sid.74
          Speaking of Hussites .. yes
          Fresh trophies of the Hussites. We went into the caponier as to my home, they did not even see the approach.


          By the way, this is not the first time that the Houthis have "hammered" the SA troops, well armed and trained by Western democracies. I can imagine what kind of panic the military of the SA of Qatar UAE will have when they face not poorly armed Houthis, but for example the Iranian army.
          A few past Hussite trophies.

    3. Michael67
      Michael67 12 February 2016 11: 21
      17
      Now I understand who the Swedes blew off their Archer Bofors self-propelled guns from. Plagiarists.
    4. PKK
      PKK 12 February 2016 11: 25
      +4
      They don’t run on these steps. There wasn’t enough to fall from them with a shell in their hands. You need to add a belt feeder or a hydraulic lift, it is possible on the basis of a small loader.
      1. code54
        code54 12 February 2016 19: 57
        +2
        Yes "crane" like a well, with such hooks for pipes! So that is all! ;))))
  2. Alexez
    Alexez 12 February 2016 11: 10
    +3
    Firing range over 27 km. - data on rate of fire and coagulation deployment time are interesting.
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 12 February 2016 11: 14
      10
      As the Syrian army still holds, without us, 4 years held. Inside the igil, from the north of the Turki, Israel periodically fouls like a coalition with sixes.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 12 February 2016 12: 23
        +3
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        As the Syrian army still holds, without us, 4 years held. Inside the igil, from the north of the Turki, Israel periodically fouls like a coalition with sixes.


        When people understand that if Assad fell and the army was defeated, they would have begun the massacre of the Alawites, Christians, Hussites, Isis, army men with their families, then they will inevitably take up arms and resist.
  3. Sirocco
    Sirocco 12 February 2016 11: 10
    +7
    Yeah. However, Ukrainian masturbators are far away. This unit does not make any comparisons with what the Slavs brothers did.
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  4. kapitan92
    kapitan92 12 February 2016 11: 10
    10
    "Necessity for inventions is cunning" (pog). Well done! They look brutal. Mobility, power! good
  5. potalevl
    potalevl 12 February 2016 11: 12
    +6
    A creative approach to business is one of the components to success.
    1. Grandfather Luka
      Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 12: 23
      -4
      I don’t understand how the gun mounted on the truck differs in functionality from the same gun towed by the same truck. In my opinion nothing. They deprived the truck of the ability to carry shells in the back. Mobility is not much added.
      1. Grandfather Luka
        Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 12: 49
        +1
        There is another drawback, the combat effectiveness of the guns also depends on those. truck condition. The tug can be replaced, and the gun went on business, but here everything is more complicated. Disguised is the same. ATGM on this machine can already work.
        1. hartlend
          hartlend 12 February 2016 13: 20
          +4
          Self-propelled howitzers, in principle, are not designed to fight tanks and work at the forefront. From closed positions they quickly shot back at the squares and left. Disguise is not needed. The main mobility.
          1. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 13: 57
            0
            Having a gun and a truck, if there is a need to block something, it can be easier to hook a cannon on a truck, put it in a closed position, shoot it and take it off in accordance with the standard. Especially in Syria, where the firepower of spirits is limited.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 February 2016 14: 11
              +3
              Only for the transfer from marching to combat it takes at least 4 minutes for a C grade during the day. And if you take into account the hemorrhoids with "hook-unhook" ...
              On the Syrian "self-propelled gun" at most a minute.
              1. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 14: 32
                +1
                Let's say. In any case, the Syrians know better.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 12 February 2016 14: 41
                  0
                  Of course you know better.

                  The main objective of the M-46 is long-range shooting. To 47 km. Iranian active-reactive.

                  But if you shoot closer, you often have to choose a position for each target. Especially in the hilly area. The trajectory is then flat ...
            2. DimerVladimer
              DimerVladimer 12 February 2016 15: 45
              +2
              Two big differences are towing a trailer and moving the implement to a position or moving it in the body and only lower the base plate (in this case, hydraulically)
          2. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 14: 05
            0
            Disguise is always needed.
      2. hartlend
        hartlend 12 February 2016 13: 17
        +1
        The main thing is mobility. It is necessary to advance to the specified area, turn around in position, shoot back and leave the place, to get out of the attack. A few minutes can be decisive. For this, they made self-propelled artillery.
        1. Grandfather Luka
          Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 13: 35
          0
          Mobility is good. I think only that the towed gun is not much inferior in this regard to similar inventions. Ask the artilleryman what the standard is for bringing the gun into combat position and vice versa. A few minutes is an eternity. There are not many pluses in such things, but there will be more minuses.
      3. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 12 February 2016 15: 42
        +1
        deployment / collapse times do not take into account either 5 minutes for a towed system or 30-60 seconds for a self-propelled.
        1. Grandfather Luka
          Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 15: 58
          0
          And remove the shells from the board, and all of this. Or think to sag without removing the ammunition. Have you ever seen a gun tear along with a calculation. Search the net for something else to see. This is the result of careless loading. And if you shake with a gun shot, I think not a single artilleryman in his right mind would come close to a gun loaded with such a shell.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 12 February 2016 12: 52
      +1
      Quote: potalevl
      A creative approach to business is one of the components to success.

      Well, the idea is not new. IMOCs were delivered by ATMOC-2000 to Thailand, Azerbaijan, Cameroon and Uganda 10 years ago, and in Romania and Kazakhstan they organized licensed production.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 February 2016 14: 27
        +1
        Well, how can it be without Israeli "pioneers" 8)))))

        In general, the Germans were the first. In the First World War. It took a highly mobile means to combat balloons, and they put the gun on the truck. Then anti-aircraft guns appeared, then anti-tank guns.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 12 February 2016 15: 24
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Well, how can it be without Israeli "pioneers" 8))))).

          I wrote somewhere that the Israelis are pioneers? request
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 12 February 2016 15: 59
            +1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            I wrote somewhere that the Israelis are pioneers?

            Nothing! However, he modestly kept silent about the merits of other peoples, having stuck out the Israelites, or is nothing known in Israel about other peoples?
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 12 February 2016 18: 21
              +1
              Quote: Hedgehog

              Nothing! However, he modestly kept silent about the merits of other peoples, having stuck out the Israelites, or is nothing known in Israel about other peoples?

              What did the silence mean? I remembered about our old development and mentioned it. I did not collect material about such weapons in the world.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 13 February 2016 10: 36
                0
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                I did not collect material about such weapons in the world.

                Yes that's right. Per Ring Road no life!
                But what prevented, previously, without knowing the topic, to search on the Internet? But he showed what you know. True, superficially. But these are trifles, right?
        2. Professor
          Professor 12 February 2016 15: 31
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Well, how can it be without Israeli "pioneers" 8)))))

          Something I did not notice that the Komrad said that the Israelis were the first. request

          In general, the execution, and not the fact itself, is interesting, but some also say that they are doing combat helicopters and fifth-generation fighters:



          For comparison



          PS
          Is the blog alive?

          PPS
          How did I forget about Persian designs that have no analogues in the world? laughing And this is in a country where more than 10 million adults do not know how to read and write.


          And here's another (do not watch for children up to 18 and the faint of heart):
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 12 February 2016 16: 00
            +5
            Quote: Professor
            and here are some who also say what fifth-generation combat helicopters and fighters do:

            At least they are doing something despite the sanctions, but the Israeli regime itself cannot produce aircraft or helicopters.
            Israel is a country that lives exclusively by the grace of the United States and Europe, without them it is practically a complete zero lol
          2. padded jacket
            padded jacket 12 February 2016 17: 39
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            And this is in a country where more than 10 million adults do not know how to read and write.

            Everything is relative, but for example, in Iran, they do not gather for an annual parade of 180 thousand homosexuals and other "perverts" as in Israel lol
          3. padded jacket
            padded jacket 12 February 2016 17: 53
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            And here's another (do not watch for children up to 18 and the faint of heart):

            By the way, as always, are you a professor lying? smile
            Here in this photo of yours is the "product" of friends of Israel terrorists from Daesh (IS) and not Iran.
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 12 February 2016 14: 36
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Well the idea is not new

        Not just not new, she is as old as the world. And the Israelis are far from the first in this matter. This model was developed in the 70 of the last century. Zitana, this is a descendant of Dana's self-propelled guns
      3. padded jacket
        padded jacket 12 February 2016 14: 44
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Well, the idea is not new. IMI supplied by ATMOC-2000

        Come on, we know, we know this tale that in general all life on Earth appeared thanks to the Jews lol
        In fact, such self-propelled guns based on commercial trucks, for example, were made in the USSR when Israel was not even in the project.
        Self-propelled gun SU-12 (USSR)


        http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/su12/su12.html
  6. Altona
    Altona 12 February 2016 11: 12
    +4
    As far as I understand, the hinged damping emphasis is equipped with steps for loading the gun to the breech. Steps are also ZiP drawers. A car can take a stowed position and change position in a minute (lifting and securing the stop).
  7. Sorokin
    Sorokin 12 February 2016 11: 13
    +3
    Anything more than 3 can be mistaken for a series. Not my statement. But a serious and thoughtful approach is visible. No one forbade however. Thou shalt not prohibit.
  8. magirus401
    magirus401 12 February 2016 11: 14
    +1
    The bandits of the cart with DShK, and here 4 pairs of wheels with a caliber of 130 mm, are quite inspiring .... to whom
  9. brasist
    brasist 12 February 2016 11: 16
    +3
    A good crusher turned out ...
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 February 2016 11: 21
    +3
    They shot back, quickly changed their position. Mobile
  11. PKK
    PKK 12 February 2016 11: 21
    0
    Quote: Alexez
    Firing range over 27 km. - data on rate of fire and coagulation deployment time are interesting.
    And why do you want to sell? So know there are no talkers.
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 12 February 2016 11: 22
    +2
    Bravo SAR, excellent performance, do not want, so life will make ...
  13. bikeev1234
    bikeev1234 12 February 2016 11: 28
    0
    Each shell is at target.
  14. SAM 5
    SAM 5 12 February 2016 11: 29
    +1
    And for me, the game is not worth the candle. Well, towed it and what, a lot of deployment time was reduced? But the cost of re-equipment. However, each dr ... t as he wants.
  15. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 12 February 2016 11: 30
    +1
    Well done Syrians! We approached the question in a businesslike way. Do not disappear the same 130-mm ammunition.
  16. cap
    cap 12 February 2016 11: 35
    0
    One word, okay. Of course, it doesn’t interfere with adding technology. God help them, and VKS !!!
  17. Nord2015
    Nord2015 12 February 2016 11: 35
    0
    Well done, what can I say. Everything is faster than the towed option. And most importantly, they shoot at the bearded, and not at their civilians, as they say from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  18. triglav
    triglav 12 February 2016 11: 37
    0
    Well done boys. There is a savvy. It is clear from whom they learned.
  19. Gomel
    Gomel 12 February 2016 11: 51
    +1
    Well done, by the way, on every resource who published this news more and more details are highlighted. especially regarding photographs.
    For me it’s so very well done, but the question of deployment time is also good, on the other hand
    The 46 gun is very good, but the selected base is not entirely, of course, competent engineers in the Syrian army, I see that the platform with the gun closes all the loads on the coulter (it seems, as in the photographs), without transferring it either to the frame of the car or to the suspension .
    But as one comrade noted, it would be ideal in general to put paws in front and in front, or a dozer blade :)
    And since the chassis is a consumable, because on the other photos you can see the emphasis on three points, one of the points being the front wheelset of Mercedes, while the coulter has a very limited recoil function (well, at least I don’t see complicated hydraulics in the photo) .

    Z.Y. Well, and of course: there are a lot of Mercedes, but few guns ... so in conditions of limited use this is a very good option, although the platform of course will withstand no more than 400 shots, even with tricks like digging up the wheels of the stop with the cab and other things that can be seen on some photos.

    Well, what can I say, well done Syrians, and have always been great, and the "birdhouses" were launched, and the grids will be professionally left, and now a whole battery has been put into operation. Of course, 4 years do not go in vain, although people say that the intensity of the fighting is very low compared to Donbass. But still great.
  20. erased
    erased 12 February 2016 12: 01
    0
    The material is old, the gun is good, the Syrians are hammers, they came up well.
  21. SAM 5
    SAM 5 12 February 2016 12: 02
    0
    Syrians live smartly - the cannon rides on mercedes wink
  22. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 12 February 2016 12: 09
    +4
    It’s not clear what is wrong with the standard towed version for the folded carriage. You can put more shells on the tractor or car, here the gun takes up one third. The gun is at a height, possibly above the center of equilibrium, which means you can shoot only forward and what is allowed to the gunner to correct the shot. Transportation of such a gun is very limited by road bumps, it is easy to roll over. Turning the gun with the machine will be longer than manually turning the gun over the carriage. And run with a shell weighing 60 kg. on the stairs and charging is not very convenient. When fired in the photo, you can see how the car jumped, and there is a gunner. In the standard version, towed, the gunner does not bounce along with the gun, he stands on the ground. Bulletproof (fragmentation) protection removed. Apparent mobility is a fiction, because militants do not have aviation capable of quickly getting a battery or a division, and tanks on 27 km. they don’t shoot and even if the tanks start moving towards the battery, it will really take about an hour. So the battery can be relocated after a few volleys and slowly.
    1. Serg81
      Serg81 12 February 2016 12: 14
      +2
      First of all, this is the mobility of the gun mount compared to the towed one.
      1. SAM 5
        SAM 5 12 February 2016 12: 19
        -6
        And what is mobility? They quickly turned around, shot at sparrows, curled up and drove off. Not for this purpose developed a gun. Pugach on wheels and nothing more.
        1. hartlend
          hartlend 12 February 2016 13: 30
          0
          Most armies in the world use self-propelled guns, so there are reasons. If the arguments in the comments do not suit you, think about the military. They know what they need.
          1. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 14: 57
            -2
            Are there any such exhibits in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? NOT. So think about the arguments.
            1. DimerVladimer
              DimerVladimer 12 February 2016 15: 56
              +1
              As there isn’t - it’s quite - the mobile coastal artillery system A-222
              http://topwar.ru/13064-beregovoy-mobilnyy-artilleriyskiy-kompleks-a-222-bereg.ht
              ml
              1. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 16: 21
                0
                Well, sorry, compared, hell with a swan neck. Don't you think that this technique differs a little bit from the one presented in the article in terms of quality and purpose?
                1. Grandfather Luka
                  Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 16: 49
                  0
                  With the same success, you can demonstrate the mobile "Topol M", putting it on a par with the Syrian invention.
                2. hartlend
                  hartlend 12 February 2016 22: 21
                  0
                  Ostap suffered. Initially, it was about the advantages of self-propelled artillery in front of towed. The advantage is mobility, the ability to quickly get out of the retaliation. The military appreciates and orders this. If the Syrians did, then they need it too. Quality is a separate issue.
                  1. Grandfather Luka
                    Grandfather Luka 13 February 2016 10: 05
                    0
                    Initially, it was about the advisability of installing an already combat-ready gun in a truck body. As applied to the Syrian theater.
                    And while talking so categorically about the benefits of self-propelled artifacts, you should beware. Towed field guns of various types and calibers, which were in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and other strongest armies in the world, still stand, and no one is going to abandon this type of weapon.
                    1. DimerVladimer
                      DimerVladimer 15 February 2016 08: 58
                      +1
                      It's a delusion. Towed batteries only make sense in the absence of counter-battery power. In a modern artillery duel of two technically developed states, towed artillery will be destroyed in 5-7 minutes from the moment it is detected (for example, from the first salvo) under a number of conditions (the presence of an deployed appropriate radar for target designation, which has a corresponding battery in the radius of its achievement. If after a firing raid, the battery is not removed for 3 minutes - it can be written off as a combat unit.
                      The Syrians, having installed guns with completely excellent ballistics, on the chassis of civilian cars, got a cheap version of mobile artillery, which is progressive in itself (not to say reliable, although each element is reliable in itself). Such nomadic batteries are capable of moving along the front of the 50-70 km to produce fire raids and quickly change positions. Preferred 1 mobile battery - three to four towed.
                  2. Grandfather Luka
                    Grandfather Luka 13 February 2016 10: 39
                    0
                    What mobility, what ability to get away from the otvetka, whose Wahhabis, the most perfect weapon of which is the American ATGM? What, spirits are armed with aviation, means of counter-battery combat? They do not even dream of these funds. Therefore, the question of expediency is only a rhetorical one.
                    1. DimerVladimer
                      DimerVladimer 15 February 2016 09: 14
                      +1
                      You operate with the tactics of World War II in relation to the local areas of the database.
                      With a lack of artillery, the 1 mobile battery replaces the 3 towed by action speed.
                      And then who told you that there can’t be a counter-battery fight in Syria, that militants did not seize tanks and guns and weapons depots? Like the officers of Hussein forgot the skills acquired in military academies? Underestimating the enemy is very short-sighted. Wahs do not disdain to let the tou even in groups of the military.
            2. hartlend
              hartlend 12 February 2016 22: 13
              0
              The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are armed with several types of self-propelled guns - Acacia, Carnation, Mst, Peony and others. Here we talk about mobility as arguments. The coalition is also being considered in a wheeled version, by the way.
              1. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 13 February 2016 09: 54
                0
                Yes, but they are all on a heavy tracked platform, and you probably shouldn't compare them to a truck with an old cannon in the back. As one comrade put it above about the Syrian product: "the need for invention is cunning." And the key word here is gol. And it is absurd to talk about the merits of this self-propelled gun, all the more to compare it with the samples of the Russian military-industrial complex.
                And at the expense of the "Coalition", if they do, then probably not in the back of a KamAZ, but on the platform of the Minsk tractor, and this is already another calico.
              2. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 13 February 2016 10: 26
                0
                What makes you so excited is not an SPG, it is a truck with an old cannon in the back.
    2. Grandfather Luka
      Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 14: 47
      0
      Finally, at least one sensible assessment. Instead of children's delight at the sight of another strange piece of iron.
    3. Grandfather Luka
      Grandfather Luka 12 February 2016 15: 07
      0
      Alexei K reasonably reasoned. Without children's delight at the sight of another strange piece of iron.
  23. PBF
    PBF 12 February 2016 12: 34
    0
    Something tells us that it was not without the participation of our military advisers. The team of authors worked successfully. Well done! fellow
  24. gukoyan
    gukoyan 12 February 2016 13: 11
    0
    Well done, super reliable car, plus a super reliable gun)
  25. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 12 February 2016 14: 02
    +3
    ZIS-2 in Syria.
  26. VVM
    VVM 12 February 2016 17: 29
    0
    Gol on the fiction is cunning
  27. Thompson
    Thompson 12 February 2016 20: 32
    0
    I don’t understand, it’s fun or sad when those who didn’t tear their ass from the couch criticize or blame those who are soaked in gunpowder and burning and probably know better what he needs !!!
    This is not the case when a Jew tried to attach a motor to a shovel, but that when a cabinet rat teaches a worker how to properly hold a shovel, scythe or hammer.