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Hammer Vepr-12 IPSC Special Edition

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The German magazine Caliber Nr.1-2016 has published an article on the IPSC Special Edition, a self-loading rifle “Hammer Vepr-12”.


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Hat was im Kasten

(He has something in the box. The title is an untranslatable pun. - Approx. Translator.)

A new version of the “IPSC special edition” self-loading rifle Hammer Vepr-12 based on the MT system. Kalashnikov is significantly different from most modern self-loading rifles with a tubular magazine, such as Benelli, Beretta or Remington.



The fact that the self-loading rifle Hammer Boar-12 in the hands of a trained shooter is a very effective tool was proved by the still talented German shooter Dirk Frey at the European Championship 2006 of practical shooting, held in Greece. Then, with his own hand-tuned Veprem, he became a silver medalist in the open class, demonstrating results worthy of the ancient Greek myths. For example, in the last exercise, for 3,34 seconds, he hit 8 steel targets at a distance of 12 meters, standing on a swinging platform.

Hello from Kalashnikov

This gun is a general layout and design as a whole corresponds to the AK-47, famous for its reliability in harsh conditions. The rifle uses gas-assisted automatics with a long stroke of the gas piston and locking the barrel with a butterfly valve.



Partial disassembly of the gun



The clamp protects the cover of the barrel delay from unexpected opening in the process of shooting


Hammer Vepr-12 IPSC Special Edition

Shutter


To ensure durable work at high loads, common in practical shooting, the receiver is made on the basis of the PKK light machine gun. Dismantling weapons cope and child. After pressing the latch button, the receiver cover flips up on the hinge, after which access to the return spring and the bolt group opens. The gun weighs without cartridges and attachments 3,6 kg. Chrome-plated inside the barrel length 430 mm ends with a monumental muzzle brake-compensator with three huge expansion chambers.



Since the pressure of gases at the exit from the barrel of a smooth-bore weapon is much lower than that of a rifled gun, the need for such a brake is at least debatable. Nevertheless, it cannot be considered superfluous, if only because, due to its mass, it reduces the toss of weapons when firing fast batches.

The modified vapor outlet provides incredible reliability when firing a wide variety of rifle cartridges.


Vapor assembly assembled and disassembled


The butt mount is changed in such a way that it is now possible to install AR-15 butts, the choice of which is huge. The test sample was equipped with the simplest stock from the M4 with six fixed positions in length, but any other can be installed. For example, FAB Defens M4 / AR-15 GL Shock with height-adjustable cheek and an additional damping element, further reducing the return of 12-caliber. But, as said, there are no limits in this respect.

Special abilities



The descent force, although it is 3,05 kg, nevertheless, compares favorably with other AK guns and rifles we tested.

All controls are located near the trigger, which provides quick and convenient access to them, although it requires habituation. The usual safety lever is replaced by a button on the right side of the receiver above the trigger guard, which is easily accessible to the index finger.


Fuse button instead of the usual lever in the on and off state


The magazine retainer, which is a rather complex mechanism with a pusher mounted on the receiver on the left, is also unaccustomed. The pusher is driven by the thumb and does not require changing the position of the shooting hand.


Unusual store dumping mechanism with a pusher.


The shutter delay button is located above the trigger and is activated by the index finger.


The shutter delay button is located above the trigger. Turned on and off here


The shutter handle is two-sided, it is easily accessible arrow under stress during the competition. Food is supplied from standard molotovsky plastic shops with a capacity of 2, 8 and 10 cartridges.


Plastic Shop Maximum Capacity of 10 Cartridges


Receiver store is equipped with a neck, accelerating the process of recharging. However, at the same time it is necessary to hook the store in the “Kalashnikov” style first, and then enter it to the end, which requires some training.

Without fly and pillar

Hammer Vepr-12 "IPSC Special Edition" comes without mechanical sighting devices. Instead, a mounting plate is installed on the rear sight seat.



For this weapon we can recommend collimator sights of the “mini” or “standard” sizes. And they should not be installed on the receiver cover, but as far as possible from the shooter's eye - on the above-mentioned mounting plate. This increases the likelihood of hitting the target with the first shot when shooting offhand. It also reduces the likelihood of delayed ejection of the liner, which can collide with a large scope, unsuccessfully installed over the ejection window.

For the test, we installed the Falke S collimator sight. Its design strongly resembles the popular Swedish Aimport Micro H-1 / T-1. Falke S is equipped with an additional solar battery and costs half as much as the Swede. During the test, we never had to activate the battery, as the illumination of the covered shooting gallery was enough to supply energy to the sight. The low positioning of the sight turned out to be ideal for quick target acquisition.

We shoot





Test results

(The shooting was carried out at a distance of 25 meters from the stop and sandbag in series of 5 shots)


Even during military service in the Bundeswehr in the study of foreign weapons, we are accustomed to the fact that AK machines and its "relatives" often have sharp edges of controls, which can lead to finger cuts. Therefore, it is recommended to wear gloves or clean sharp edges. The presented Hammer Vepr-12 in this respect is no exception.

The location of the shutter delay button over the trigger seemed not very successful - there is a chance to touch it with a finger when shooting.

During the test, there was not a single complaint about the reliability of the gun. It easily “eaten” both small-sized cartridges and “magnums” with a sleeve length of 67,5 mm, 70 mm and 76 mm. Unfortunately, we managed to test the Hammer for accuracy only at a distance of 25 m instead of the usual 50. The best result was achieved with GEKO 26 Gramm Competition Slug cartridges with a sleeve length of 67,5 mm. The size of a group of five shots was 16 mm. What could be better?


Russian rifleman Vsevolod Ilyin with project manager Sergey Urzhumtsev, who participated in the development of Hammer Vepr-12 for practical shooting

Conclusion

The high-quality, absolutely reliable weapon providing high precision and comfort when shooting. Hammer Vepr-12 IPSC special Edition is a purely sporting weapon, shooting from which is a pleasure. The far forward and low sight ensures fast target acquisition. Against this background, such trifles as a pair of sharp edges, for example, on the mechanism of the dump shop, can not spoil the overall impression. Especially since they are easily removable.

The retail price of the Hammer Boar-12 IPSC special Edition is 2199 euro.

Technical Specifications Hammer Vepr "IPSC Special Edition"

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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 13 February 2016 07: 41
    +8
    Modification of weapons developed by M.T. Kalashnikovs will be used in the world for a very long time. Smart designer, you can’t say anything.
  2. OlegV
    OlegV 13 February 2016 07: 53
    +4
    Mikhail Timofeevich is a genius with a capital letter.

    I doubt that any of the modern weapon designers will surpass the respected gunsmith in the next 20-30 years.
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 14 February 2016 13: 57
      +5
      I, personally, do not particularly like it when the "brilliant" role of Timofeevich is prominent. If, for example, Fedorov, Degtyarev, Tokarev, Simonov, Shpagin developed their systems with their own heads, then Kalashnikov was actively promoted (such as a landfill worker) and many finds of his formal rivals were used in his machine. It is enough to read the more or less intelligible history of the creation of the AK. The same automatic rifles of Bulkin and Korobov promised to be much better, but only they were pushed in a purely political way. In addition, it is clearly seen that after AK Kalashnikov failed to pile anything else. Even machine guns differed mainly in a gas outlet pipe from the bottom or top. Can you say the same about Tokarev, Simonov, Degtyarev? I think one should be more modest. AK is the fruit of the work of a large team of people in which Kalashnikov was the face. The same Kurchatov did not say that he was the author of the atomic bomb. The same Mosin, knowing that he applied some of the Nagant's achievements in the rifle, did not excessively emphasize his authority ...
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 14 February 2016 23: 12
        +1
        Quote: Aqela
        The same guns of Bulkin and Korobov promised to be much better, but they were only pushed in a purely political way.

        Did you read this grandfather to Shiryaev? smile let's say in a general description of events, he is right, but with regard to Bulkin he thickens the paint, AB due to the design of the bolt assembly with rotation due to the bolt and the screw groove of the bolt and as a consequence of such a solution with a low ratio of the mass of the frame to the mass of the bolt, in principle, without a complete change the principle of turning, could not catch up with the AK by reliability. Well, Korobov ... and that Korobov did not even make it to the second round at that competition and was butting with AKM. Although, in general, the story is clear and understandable as well as the complete alteration of the AK-46, which, contrary to the rules of the competition, expressly forbade it, "not noticed" by the commission as well as the shortening of the 5cm barrel, and the AK-46 fully corresponds to the level of design of the early works of the MTK, but the AK -47 was already clearly created not by a self-taught peasant, in general, the role of Zaitsev Lyutoy and Deikin in the creation of the AK-47 is somewhat greater than the MTK admitted. laughing Well, then, for example, about a dozen organizations and several hundred people worked on AKM, the appearance of a PC generally deserves a separate story - E-2, the future PC appeared in the sketch when the Nikitin machine gun had already passed not field tests but military tests with the release of an experimental batch of 50 pieces , MTK set a record by literally in a matter of days designing, manufacturing and conducting factory tests of its E-2 - even the ingenious John Mozesovich could not do this laughing . In general, be that as it may, but AK is really an extremely successful model, although it was much more correct to name it, as one of our contemporaries suggested, ACC - Automatic Soviet Union.
  3. La-5
    La-5 13 February 2016 08: 04
    11
    DTK Ilyin is not included, sold separately and can be installed on any Boar with a thread on the muzzle of the trunk. In general, this is the usual Vepr-12 with a 430 barrel slightly modified, but its price is almost 2 times higher than the standard model.
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 13 February 2016 08: 30
      +6
      Quote: La-5
      In general, this is the usual Vepr-12 with a 430 barrel a little modified,

      Agree that the revision is not even small. I have owned a boar for 4 years. The main disadvantages: 1) an inconvenient "button", but rather a delay bar 2) of course, an unnecessary open sight 3) due to a tightly installed flame arrester, it is impossible to screw on the barrel extension nozzle 4) the trigger tangibly hits the finger, especially when firing a magnum semi-magnum 5) it is advisable to use cartridges with an increased filling of shot.
      Well, at first I got the effect of a locomotive pipe))), when the sleeve was ejected, it did not manage to fly out completely and remained clamped by the bolt frame, I had to carefully work with a file. Now the machine works as it should be PKK, I manage to go hunting with men too, though it’s a little heavy for the undercarriage, and tactical gloves are desirable. A collimator indoor sight and tactical grip under the forearm are installed.
      1. La-5
        La-5 13 February 2016 08: 50
        +1
        Quote: almost demob
        Quote: La-5
        In general, this is the usual Vepr-12 with a 430 barrel a little modified,

        Agree that the revision is not even small. I have owned a boar for 4 years. The main disadvantages: 1) an inconvenient "button", but rather a delay bar 2) of course, an unnecessary open sight 3) due to a tightly installed flame arrester, it is impossible to screw on the barrel extension nozzle 4) the trigger tangibly hits the finger, especially when firing a magnum semi-magnum 5) it is advisable to use cartridges with an increased filling of shot.
        Well, at first I got the effect of a locomotive pipe))), when the sleeve was ejected, it did not manage to fly out completely and remained clamped by the bolt frame, I had to carefully work with a file. Now the machine works as it should be PKK, I manage to go hunting with men too, though it’s a little heavy for the undercarriage, and tactical gloves are desirable. A collimator indoor sight and tactical grip under the forearm are installed.

        The shortcomings you listed are purely personal. Why did you then Boar bought if everything is uncomfortable for you. The flame arrester is normally twisted, I do not understand what problems may arise there. 32 g of cartridges are normally shot back and the cartridges are normally removed, in general, non-ejection of cartridges and non-discharge is not a drawback, but incorrect operation because the semiautomatic device (also with a short barrel) will not eat any cartridges as a double-barreled shot, here the energy is spent on the operation of the automation - it just needs to be taken into account.
        1. gross kaput
          gross kaput 13 February 2016 11: 13
          +8
          Quote: La-5
          in general, non-ejection of the sleeve and non-discharge is not a drawback, but improper operation because semiautomatic device (also with a short barrel)

          So, for the future - the chimneys on the boar are not only and not so much small weights, first of all it is not the correct angle of the reflector, filled up by a "straight-handed" fitter-assembler - as a result, the sleeve is reflected almost vertically and beats into the lid, after which it is already clamped by the shutter, the jamb is found on 12-gauge boars quite often, it is treated with a careful sharpening of the reflector's tooth so that the point of contact with the bottom of the sleeve is the upper part of the reflector - and it's a miracle - it starts working as it should even with small weights laughing
          "Drying" of the finger is also a common problem on AK-shaped ones - to be treated by fine-tuning the trigger with deburring and polishing (it is necessary to ensure that, when setting the trigger on the cocking cocking, the trigger whispers when moving does not "pull" the trigger - it must be done very carefully if there is no clear understanding of how it works and what affects what it is better not to climb) - or by waiting when it will work itself in during the setup process smile
          1. La-5
            La-5 14 February 2016 14: 00
            +1
            Quote: gross kaput
            Quote: La-5
            in general, non-ejection of the sleeve and non-discharge is not a drawback, but improper operation because semiautomatic device (also with a short barrel)

            So, for the future - the chimneys on the boar are not only and not so much small weights, first of all it is not the correct angle of the reflector, filled up by a "straight-handed" fitter-assembler - as a result, the sleeve is reflected almost vertically and beats into the lid, after which it is already clamped by the shutter, the jamb is found on 12-gauge boars quite often, it is treated with a careful sharpening of the reflector's tooth so that the point of contact with the bottom of the sleeve is the upper part of the reflector - and it's a miracle - it starts working as it should even with small weights laughing
            "Drying" of the finger is also a common problem on AK-shaped ones - to be treated by fine-tuning the trigger with deburring and polishing (it is necessary to ensure that, when setting the trigger on the cocking cocking, the trigger whispers when moving does not "pull" the trigger - it must be done very carefully if there is no clear understanding of how it works and what affects what it is better not to climb) - or by waiting when it will work itself in during the setup process smile

            Maybe, however, with 32g of cartridges, the Boar works normally, shot it out of the box and there weren’t any jambs, but if 28g cartridges are poked, then there may be chimneys.
        2. almost demobil
          almost demobil 14 February 2016 07: 28
          0
          Quote: La-5
          The flame arrester is normally twisted, I do not understand what problems may arise there.

          The boar is issued with 3 types of trunks, short, medium and long. I have a middle one and the brake is set tightly, it is fixed, you are an unbeliever.
          1. La-5
            La-5 14 February 2016 12: 51
            -1
            Quote: almost demob
            Quote: La-5
            The flame arrester is normally twisted, I do not understand what problems may arise there.

            The boar is issued with 3 types of trunks, short, medium and long. I have a middle one and the brake is set tightly, it is fixed, you are an unbeliever.

            Quote: almost demob
            Quote: La-5
            The flame arrester is normally twisted, I do not understand what problems may arise there.

            The boar is issued with 3 types of trunks, short, medium and long. I have a middle one and the brake is set tightly, it is fixed, you are an unbeliever.

            I don’t need to teach me what kind of boars they make, I know perfectly well without you and on a wild boar with a 570 mm barrel, the flame arrester normally loosens, in the ormage, it is turned off by hand.
  4. axay032
    axay032 13 February 2016 08: 05
    +3
    At the expense of the store’s reset mechanism, a controversial issue is its necessity, but they can cling to everything for anything, judging by the photo it can easily be dismantled. And so the device is of course a class !!
    1. La-5
      La-5 13 February 2016 08: 15
      0
      Quote: axay032
      At the expense of the store’s reset mechanism, a controversial issue is its necessity, but they can cling to everything for anything, judging by the photo it can easily be dismantled. And so the device is of course a class !!

      For shooters at the training ground is not critical, but it allows you to quickly insert another store with your left hand.
    2. would
      would 14 February 2016 17: 13
      +1
      Given that this is a sports modification for IPSC (practical shooting), nothing controversial: The hand pulls out a magazine, at the same time the finger of the hand holding the weapon presses the reset button, the empty magazine drops and a new one is inserted almost immediately. For professional shooters it turns out very, very fast, and time in IPSC is one of the main indicators. The fact that somewhere, something can cling to the shooters doesn’t really care, not those conditions.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 February 2016 08: 15
    +2
    A powerful thing. Judging by the delight of users, Saiga is better. I also wanted something, although clearly not a hunting toy (why not?), For self-defense in a country house - too expensive. But to have self-loading chambered for Magnum, familiar to the last screw, like "Kalash" - what could be more pleasant?
  6. Chisayna
    Chisayna 13 February 2016 08: 36
    +1
    Well, buy it. And for hunting there is nothing better, Tulki-12k. TOZ-63.
  7. Colonel
    Colonel 13 February 2016 08: 36
    +2
    sharp edges of the controls, which may result in finger cuts

    Revelation, and in fact communicated with "AK and his" relatives "for over 30 years.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 13 February 2016 11: 22
      0
      Quote: colonel
      Revelation, and in fact communicated with "AK and his" relatives "for over 30 years.

      We are talking about "Vepr" and, first of all, about the slide delay which is not in the AK.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 14 February 2016 06: 57
        0
        Quote: gross kaput
        We are talking about the "Vepr" and, first of all, about the slide delay which is not in the AK

        Not only, the double-lever fuse translator, not like AK, and the lower lever is quite sharp. Therefore, I wrote above about tactical gloves.
        1. gross kaput
          gross kaput 14 February 2016 09: 45
          +1
          Quote: almost demobilized
          and the lower lever is pretty sharp

          My right thumb is crippled, so I never used the right flag - so I couldn't rate it smile
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 13 February 2016 11: 23
      0
      These are athletes, they are nervous, they stick their fingers everywhere quickly, and they can also harden the skin.
  8. Zebus
    Zebus 13 February 2016 08: 43
    0
    Quote: La-5
    but its price is almost 2 times higher than the standard model.

    This is the problem. Specialists can and will buy, but an ordinary "user" can hardly afford it ((((And the price is not twice, but more will be here a link:
    http://dominator-arms.ru/goods/product/vepr-molot-vpo-205-01-l-570.html.
    So to say "offhand" found)))
  9. tchoni
    tchoni 13 February 2016 09: 11
    +1
    I agree with the opinion of the author. The gun is sports and, even somewhere fighting (at least the police - that's for sure). The device is heavy for sea hunting, and firepower is somewhat redundant
    1. La-5
      La-5 13 February 2016 09: 33
      +2
      Quote: tchoni
      Hammer Vepr-12 IPSC Special Edition

      The name "Hammer Vepr-12" IPSC Special Edition, as it were, says that the sample is purely sports.
    2. almost demobil
      almost demobil 14 February 2016 07: 02
      +1
      Quote: tchoni
      The device is heavy for sea hunting, and firepower is somewhat redundant

      Combat Power May Not Be Excessive laughing If you are talking about rate of fire, then I brag about how you roamed the fields with men, about 20 meters away a flock of partridges, managed to flap 4 times, eventually took 11 hens.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 14 February 2016 08: 06
        0
        And I have repeatedly watched newcomers with machine guns, who, having missed the duck for the first time, sent afterwards everything that was charged, regardless of the fact that it was already far to shoot :-)
        1. almost demobil
          almost demobil 14 February 2016 15: 46
          +2
          Quote: tchoni
          And I have repeatedly watched newcomers with machine guns, who, having missed the duck for the first time, sent afterwards everything that was charged, regardless of the fact that it was already far to shoot :-)

          But what a show off, fun !!
          1. tchoni
            tchoni 16 February 2016 08: 35
            0
            Right Ponty is more expensive than dene :-)))))
  10. Madlinx
    Madlinx 13 February 2016 10: 19
    +2
    I have VPO-205-04. I go hunting with him, I go to the stand. Is reliable! When running long distances, the mass is sensitive.
  11. fzr1000
    fzr1000 13 February 2016 10: 57
    +1
    I also own the Hammer. I use Polev 3 and 6 bullets when shooting. The use of bullets with a smaller weight of gunpowder caused me to not eject the cartridges. When the Racurs collimator is installed, there are no problems getting into the bottom of the can from under the kilka in a tomato with 80 steps. I also acquired the muzzle brake shown in the photo for the article, but then I refused it in favor of the regular one, because I did not notice the difference between them in use, and I did not like the look with it.
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 14 February 2016 07: 21
      0
      Quote: fzr1000
      The muzzle brake shown in the photo for the article I also acquired, but then I refused it in favor of the regular

      Yes, and adds weight? What is the length of the trunk, I have an average trunk and the brake is set tightly, fixed, but I would like to extend the trunk for hunting.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 15 February 2016 20: 59
        0
        VPO 205—00, 430 mm
    2. kalibr_12x76
      kalibr_12x76 14 February 2016 14: 51
      0
      Do not tell me, as the owner, the gas outlet is manually adjusted or not? From the description in the article, I did not understand.
      About the "angle" sight - is the illumination switched on manually, or automatically, depending on the lighting?
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 14 February 2016 15: 47
        0
        Quote: kalibr_12x76
        Is the flue assembly manually adjustable or not?

        On a regular serial boar, the gas outlet is not regulated.
  12. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 13 February 2016 11: 01
    0
    I had to use Saiga-410, I think the Hammer also has the same drawback, because it uses hunting cartridges. If you want to have a semi-automatic weapon, buy SCS, or something like that, and not Saigu with Hammer and similar samples. I understand that to buy a rifled SKS you will have to wait 5 years and hunting with it, in many regions of the Russian Federation, is limited, but you will get really reliable semi-automatic weapons. SKS has a pointed cartridge 7.62 by 39, the same as the AK-47, or AKM. Such a cartridge, having a sharp bullet, has no problems with automatic reloading. The stupid hunting cartridges used in Saig and Hammer often cause delays in firing, they are poorly adapted for automatic reloading, they simply jam, they stick to the edge of the chamber without entering it. I’m a hunter with more than 10 years of experience and I don’t advise anyone with a semi-automatic weapon created for stupid hunting cartridges like Saigi, Hammer and the like. If you want to have a fast-firing and reliable weapon, for hunting cartridges of 12, or 16 caliber, I advise you to pay attention to pump-action rifles. They are more reliable than semi-automatic guns and only slightly inferior to them in maximum rate of fire, far exceeding them in reliability.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 13 February 2016 11: 28
      0
      It's a pity for Binelli or Browning, and even the MCs to sniff trunks with bullets. And when using cartridges with a weight of gunpowder of about 2,3 g, there will be no problems with sticking. My experience since 2001.
    2. almost demobil
      almost demobil 14 February 2016 07: 14
      0
      Quote: Corvetkapitan
      The blunt hunting cartridges used in Saig and Hammer often cause delays in firing, they are poorly adapted for automatic reloading, they simply jam, they stick to the edge of the chamber without entering it

      For 4 years, there has not been a single case of poking a cartridge. Please do not invent, did not use, but affirm the far-fetched. These are the usual speeches of an Orthodox hunter using a double-barreled shotgun and eating carrots sweeter. Grandfathers with interest felt my boar around a fire, but, they say, it is impossible to hunt with it. I ask: -Why? Answers: -Because the shotgun is better !! Well, I say, the argument is killer. I did not even argue.
      By the way, the pompovik is much inferior to the boar in rate of fire.
    3. gross kaput
      gross kaput 14 February 2016 09: 52
      0
      Quote: Corvetkapitan
      I’m a hunter with more than 10 years of experience and I don’t advise anyone with a semi-automatic weapon created for stupid hunting cartridges like Saigi, Hammer and the like.

      But I’m not a hunter, I’m just a shooter, but for some reason I don’t confuse shotguns with a rifled bullet - why don’t you, for example, go to the bikers forum and express the idea that Kamaz is better because it can carry three tons and will the bike crumble under a ton? laughing
      1. Corvetkapitan
        Corvetkapitan 14 February 2016 14: 34
        +4
        My dear, my shooting experience is 22 years and why I just didn’t shoot. It was necessary to carefully read what I wrote. I wrote that for those wishing to have shotguns, I advise you to buy a pump-action shotgun, and not a semiautomatic device. At one time, in the city of Vyatskiye Polyany very interesting popmovics Bekas-12 and Bekas-16 were produced, they were of high quality and good trunks, and at the same time they were quite affordable for the absolute majority of shooters and hunters. The problem with semi-automatic shotguns is that they are very demanding on the quality of the cartridges. When buying cartridges of different brands, you can often find that part of the cartridges in the pack will have a certain curvature of the cartridges that are now made of plastic . On all of these saigas and hammers, such cartridges often give a wedge, and Bekas pompiki eat any cartridges and never wedge at all. In good hands, the pump, only slightly, will yield to semi-automatic machines in rate of fire, if at all, and in terms of reliability, the pump Snipe will put any semiautomatic device into the belt.
        1. almost demobil
          almost demobil 14 February 2016 15: 58
          0
          Quote: Corvetkapitan
          Vyatskiye Polyany produced very interesting popmovics Bekas-12 and Bekas-16, they were of high quality

          My first shotgun RP-16 "Bekas". When remembering only mats. I bought it in 1998. Non-ejection, tore the sleeve (kapkovy). It's good that I found an eccentric who bought it. So, in principle, everything is normal, a chrome-plated barrel, 3 attachments in a set, the traditional high quality of Vyatskie Polyany weapons, the plant specialized in ZPU. But the fact remains, you may have had no luck with the instance. Yes, and hunting is very inconvenient, when reloading the sighting line gets lost.
          1. Corvetkapitan
            Corvetkapitan 14 February 2016 16: 08
            +4
            I’ve had Bekas-13M for 12 years and have never jammed or torn the sleeve, even on crooked cartridges that are often found in packs. You were out of luck with the specimen.
        2. gross kaput
          gross kaput 14 February 2016 18: 54
          0
          Dear my lover Kriegsmarine and Doenitz smile Do not believe me - but I absolutely do not care about the hunting experience of the interlocutor, and not only on the Internet but in life - I judge not according to the experience, but according to the knowledge of the interlocutor, and when a person begins to put SKS and Saigu 410 on a par, the opinion about the interlocutor is formed laughing
          As for the "crooked" sleeves - I will upset you a little the chance to catch a stuck on a deformed sleeve at the pump is no less than that of a P / A. The only plus of the pump is its "omnivorousness" in terms of weights and types of projectile (the same rubber bullets and buckshot), in terms of reliability, the pump has enough of its sores - the same so-called uncontrolled feed - when the cartridge hits the tray some That time, until it is picked up by the hooks of the ejectors, is not controlled, as a result, with a non-energetic reloading or when the weapon is turned on its side, snags and sticks appear. Well, in domestic weapons, this is aggravated by the "straight-handed" performance and controversial technical solutions - such as one thrust in the IZH-81.
          1. Corvetkapitan
            Corvetkapitan 15 February 2016 01: 44
            +4
            I had Izh-4 for 81 years and I heard that one of his thrusts sometimes breaks, but it didn’t break either for me or for my friends who had pump-action Izhi. On the Bekas-12M there are two thrusts and talk about I didn’t hear that they break. I have no problems with my Bekas-12M, but I had 4 Saiga-410 and no one will convince me that this is complete hemorrhoids, which is reliable and possible. I compared the reliability of the weapon, and if you did not understand this, then my opinion about you is also not high. The quality of the weapon is a separate conversation, but even Benelli has a marriage, and Benelli’s price is not affordable for everyone. excellent IL, which will serve you all your life, without a single breakdown, and you can buy a defective Benelli ...
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 15 February 2016 19: 59
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              Quote: Corvetkapitan
              I had Izh-4 for 81 years and I heard that one of his thrusts sometimes breaks, but it did not break down either among me or my friends

              Did I say that one thrust is bad because it breaks? Do not fantasize, not a single user who actually owns the 81st will ever tell you such nonsense - the problem is different, but since you don’t know about it, it seems like Izhik didn’t even have it, but you didn’t hold it in your hands laughing
              Quote: Corvetkapitan
              I had 4 saiga-410

              And why not five, or 6 - what is trifling? laughing
              Quote: Corvetkapitan
              I compared the reliability of weapons, and if you do not understand this, then my opinion about you is also not high

              Dear my captain hunter, stop practicing art whistling - you are the same hunter as I am U-47 captain laughing Do you really think that 410 saiga is a hunting weapon? And you did not have the first experience to understand that this is not so? and you sequentially bought three more, and then IZH-81 and then snipe? In general, it’s good to fantasize Mr. Hunter with an experience of more than 10 years but no less than 22 laughing
              PS Anyone who is more or less versed in hunting and domestic shootings will tell you that the .410 cartridge for the main types of hunts in the Russian Federation is not suitable in any equipment, Saiga .410 is a weapon for self-defense, plinking and initial training and nothing more.
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  13. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 13 February 2016 11: 06
    +1
    We have such a "piggy" in Novosibirsk, it costs 44tysh, the store is certainly too small (the cartridge is large), and the amers have "tambourines" for a different number of cartridges, and so a cool contraption can be used to clean buildings.
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 14 February 2016 07: 15
      0
      I took from the Central Market for 36 more.
    2. would
      would 14 February 2016 12: 24
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      the store is of course too small


      By law, the maximum magazine size for hunting weapons is 10 rounds. As soon as you attach something more, then there is an article. Of course, you can get shops and tambourines, you can even equip and carry with you according to the law, but attach no, no.
  14. Miner
    Miner 13 February 2016 11: 24
    +2
    Well, the prices of the bourgeoisie.
    The price is 2 euros ..

    How much is it in rubles?
    198 000?
    Wow ...
  15. da Vinci
    da Vinci 14 February 2016 11: 53
    0
    Perhaps the front handle to hold this weapon should go in the base set. IMHO wink