Tehran negotiates with Su-30 production in Iran with Moscow

Iran is negotiating with Russia to acquire Su-30 fighter jets, a blog reports bmpd with reference to the Iranian TV channel TV2 IRIB.

Fighter Su-30SM (tail number "27 red") of the Russian Aerospace Forces from the Russian aviation groupings in Syria. Khmeimim airfield (Syria), 21.12.2015

"Iran is in the final stages of negotiations with Russia regarding the conclusion of a contract for the purchase of Su-30 fighter jets, while organizing the production of these aircraft in Iran," said Defense Minister Hossein Dehgan on a television broadcast.

In the same interview, the general said that the Ministry of Defense has no plans to buy planes in China.

Bmpd recalls that “Under the terms of last year’s UN Security Council resolution No. 2231 (paragraph 5, annex B), Iran may acquire until October 18, 2020 Tanks", armored vehicles, combat aircraft and helicopters, artillery with a caliber of 100 mm and higher, and other weapons that are subject to the UN Register of Conventional Arms only with the prior permission of the UN Security Council in each case."

Obtaining such permission, given the position of the United States, is a difficult task. Therefore, the implementation of Tehran’s plans to acquire Russian planes today looks doubtful, the blogger notes.

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[From Samara]

Prepare for war with Saudi Arabia! We need help!

[Denis Obukhov]

Sell ​​the Su-30 to Persians only with a superjet!
And then you like the Persians of the supernano-breakthrough refuse to buy!
Moreover, for Griboyedov, they sell the Tu-154 that is unfinished at the plant in Samara! Until the Persians buy the Tu-154, the S-300 will not be delivered to them !!!!

[makst83]

That pays off in Syria, C-400 to India, Su-30 to Iran, Su-35 to Indonesia (there is infa), wang what kind of Su-34 they will stand in line (there is an interest in them from Algeria)! So say that wars are not profitable, however, a profit!

[aktanir]

since they won't be allowed to sell planes to Iran, it means that organizing their production on site is a smart and only move

[avt]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Sell ​​the Su-30 to Persians only with a superjet!
And then you like the Persians of the supernano-breakthrough refuse to buy!

Aha, the current is byada - this number will not work. They ALREADY signed a contract for 140 with the air-bus hack, but they bought the turboprops АRТ according to the 20 + 20 scheme, and there the bombers go licked to order in 60 turboprops. And Russia has nothing to offer - all the analogues ... a chicken in the nest, and a testicle in .... well, in general, neither MS nor Il-114 have been lifted into the sky yet, they could have fussed with Tu-204 even in times of sanctions, Po ditched, like all competitors in the Super Budget.

[Inok10]

Quote: avt

Aha, the current is byada - this number will not work.

... I agree, there is still work and work ... ... I am more pleased that the negotiations are going to the final stage ... the question of course remains in the approval of the UN Security Council, it is clear that the mattress covers will lay down with bones, so that it would not be ... but, is it still required permission for licensed assembly? the question is, and to conclude a contract for the supply of spare parts for SU 27, and how Iran turned out of them SU 30 we don’t know ...

[avt]

Quote: Inok10

I am more pleased that the negotiations are going to the final stage ...

Well, it doesn't upset me, like some of those who are discussing the topic here, that 30s will even be collected in Iran. For any, the first batch will be made in Russia, then there may be a screwdriver, as it began in India, and while the Iranians will import the glider, I'm not talking about the engines - the Chinese still haven't mastered it, then if by that time in the series will not be the same fifty dollars that we are testing ..... then this is already concrete sabotage and sabotage. So even if they order military drying, since the civil aircraft industry is pissed off. And then if ours will migrate, or like - where will they go , ours are better, then the Franks and the same USs will hurry up. Do not go to the fortuneteller.

[Inok10]

Quote: avt

then the francs and the same USy will come in hand. Do not go to a fortuneteller.

... so it will be ... whoever got up first, he and slippers ... especially the paddling pools ...

[Blondy]

But do not you think that given the bad weather (with UN resolution), this is just a statement, and even on TV, for domestic consumption. Otherwise, ours would have long been promoted, in particular here, about plans and interests.

[Coconut Tima]

And what does the OBS blog say about this (one grandmother said)?

[Lord of the Sith]

I will throw a card. Planned attacks from Israel on Iran. The actual distance is indicated. And now Iran will have S-300PM1 and Su-30.

[Talgat]

Iran’s air defense and aviation upgrade necessary for sustainability

And if Iran does not resist, then goodbye Syria, Qatar will build its gas pipelines to Europe and Gazprom will no longer be needed there, and the Caspian will become "international and democratic" with the military presence of "democratizers" - and thousands of bearded men will come to the Caspian countries for them

T e want to say, here it is necessary to look for the benefit not with the sale of aircraft to Iran - but in ensuring the security of Iran

Of course, the best option for everyone is the purchase by Iran of fighter jets, the support of the Russian aviation industry is also beneficial for Iran - so there is always tomorrow where to buy

Another thing, there are factors - sanctions, limited production opportunities in Russia, etc.
Perhaps there will be some kind of "undercover" deals - the sale of technology "in secret" + the supply of aircraft engines - and like the Iranians invented an analogue of the Su-30, for example, etc.

[Denis Obukhov]

that Su-30MK2 is injected into them, but in the end they’ll probably reach the Su-35
There is enough time for negotiations, sanctions will be lifted only in 2020. Negotiations on the S-300, by the way, also went on for about five years.

[73bor]

Well, at the expense of the fact that this is an impossible task, it’s not a fact, it seems that there are times when all this world jurisdiction means absolutely nothing!

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: 73bor

Well, at the expense of the fact that this is an impossible task, it’s not a fact, it seems that there are times when all this world jurisdiction means absolutely nothing!

Yes, it can be circumvented — the supply of WEAPONS without the UN sanction is prohibited But who prevents the supply of UNITS and SPARE PARTS!? And it doesn’t matter that you can assemble an airplane with a screwdriver. Not for nothing, the Iranians are talking about a joint venture, which incidentally can not only sell planes to Iran! Russia, as it were, has nothing to do with it ...

[igor.borov775]

Yes!! Iran is not going to fight with the Saudis. They are the Persians to take care of their defense. Only a patient on a holoau thinks of war. And yes, the Yankees consider

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it’s an enemy. until the elections have no time for them. They will be looking for an opportunity to hit him. Yankees grievances. Do not forget. Oil kings believe that Iran is shared by more than a trillion bucks that revolution
did not allow to earn

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And the United States did not hide their claims.

[kodxnumx]

Quote: From Samara

Prepare for war with Saudi Arabia! We need help!

I think when Russia helped the United States in signing the treaty and lifting the sanctions from Tehran, I am sure that these issues were worked out with the United States, so I think Teheran can also get Aircraft and tanks in some quantity from Russia! signing an agreement on not developing nuclear weapons and thought and set the condition of the United States!

[the most important]

the plane is good, but its production in Iran will not make it better ..

[Cripple cross]

It is better to buy from us and expand our production.

[donavi49]

It is impossible - UN sanctions. 5 years, no purchases of tanks, aircraft and other heavy weapons, without the consent of the UN (that is, the United States - if they are against, then the permit will not pass).

Therefore, Iran is trying to circumvent the sanctions by deploying production at home.

[Kent0001]

Yes. Under production at home - it’s only to fasten the wheels and that's it.

[Tusv]

Quote: donavi49

It is impossible - UN sanctions. 5 years no procurement of tanks, aircraft and other heavy weapons, without the consent of the UN

The sanctions seem to be lifted, well, ours last year proclaimed the primacy of our law over American international

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: CrippleCross

It is better to buy from us and expand our production

Easy to say, expand. And where to get the "expanders"?

[shans2]

screwdriver assembly)))

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: CrippleCross

It is better to buy from us and expand our production

Easy to say, expand. And where to get the "expanders"?

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: the most important

the plane is good, but its production in Iran will not make it better ..

“But you have to start somewhere!” Moreover, they agree with us, not with America!

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: oldseaman1957

not with America!

You are wrong, the United States will not arrange the production of its fighters in Iran, the "allies" will not understand that way. There is another player who would agree is China. I hope that the production will mean assembly, otherwise Iran can drain the information on the same engines to China.

[yuriy55]

We must observe our interests, and not guess what America will think ...

"... Ah! My God! What will Princess Marya Aleksevna say! ..."

(C)

[NEXUS]

Quote: the most important

the plane is good, but its production in Iran will not make it better ..

PAK FA is approaching, and the SU-30 is a noble car and after Syria does not need advertising. Well, good money and contracts will not hurt us.

[newcomer]

this is much better news than the sale of Indonesia su35.

[Denis Obukhov]

Is it normal that we give (sell) our technologies, that to India, that to Iran, what else to whom? So that in the end, according to our technologies, the latter can make a competitive product that will take away market shares? What for? I believe that if a country does not know how to do something, then there is nothing to teach it to it, let it buy ready-made products from us.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

... So that in the end, according to our technologies, the latter can make a competitive product that will take away market shares? ...

We have built enterprises for the production of passenger cars ... so what? Let there be an enterprise, let our engineers work, let the treasury be filled, even in the camp of countries that do not want to sell oil for dollars, it will become more crowded ...

[Alexez]

Selling technologies is the most profitable business in our conditions, from the point of view of the post-industrial economy! What technology is another matter. SU-30 is already an old technology, nothing so super-secret and oh, what is invasive. It is necessary to earn on this for the development of new breakthrough technologies, which as a result will provide the future.

[Muvka]

Quote: Alexez

Selling technologies is the most profitable business in our conditions, from the point of view of the post-industrial economy! What technology is another matter. SU-30 is already an old technology, nothing so super-secret and oh, what is invasive. It is necessary to earn on this for the development of new breakthrough technologies, which as a result will provide the future.

In any case, they will establish production and sell not Su-30SM, but Su-30MK or one of its modifications. And since the plane is intended for export, I think the secret there is either not enough or not ...

[complete zero]

But what can we do if we are cornered?

[triglav]

It is necessary to conclude a contract - and it went to the UN. All the same, it has long been discredited. We will ask him. The S-300 was delivered after the lifting of the sanctions. Now let him shut up now.

[Dam]

Apparently the work on PAK FA is really coming to an end. And then something we swung technology to sell

[dchegrinec]

But did the UN Security Council approve the delivery of the S-300 to this country or something? Nevertheless, everything worked out. Most likely it will be the same in everything.

[Odysseus]

Quote: dchegrinec

But did the UN Security Council approve the delivery of the S-300 to this country or something?

The S-300 is a little different, and its approval was not required there.

[Rosty]

A dangerous deal - it will be restless there for a long time. Remember the Iran-Iraq conflict, who was on whose side. And what is happening now. This is me to the fact that these planes will fly more than one decade. Transferring high technology to such a serpentarium is very risky.
Although, Iran is the only ally that really helps us in Syria. Without Iran’s ground forces, Assad’s chances would be much less. Will we succeed with this deal?

[AdekvatNICK]

Everything is being done so that Iran becomes the main one in this region.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

Everything is being done so that Iran becomes the main one in this region.

Dear, how can you do without the main thing? Who will follow the order? Only not Americans with lackeys.
We also have very little time, serious things await, 30 years have not drank beer in Berlin, and coffee in Paris even more. They fought off hands; they want freedom. Amerovskoye foreground. Yes, and England must be drowned so that the bubbles are let out.
And you about Iran ...

[Odysseus]

Expanding ties with Iran is a necessary thing. And an agreement on the Su-30 would be very good. But for now, unfortunately, its conclusion is unlikely. The Americans will never pass this deal through the Security Council. If they agree, it means they see some way around this problem.

[complete zero]

the idea is not bad (the market is good. yes, and the communications are long-standing) here are just the USA .. well, what to say is the supply of oil is at stake (and it is inundated in Iran) and it is FAVORABLE to Iran so it is unlikely that we will succeed (I would like to make a mistake)

[semuel]

And DRY then grab. Like hot cakes.

[Mig-31]

It would be right to renew all of Iran’s armaments with the help of Russia, but I’m afraid you’ll again look in your mouth ... you’ll look yourself. I’m generally a wahoo, are you kind of quick? Why is that the Chinas shit on all sorts of prohibitions and vparivayut what they want and you Russian are all on the pen ... s look. This is not appropriate for a Great Power!

[Mig-31]

Quote: 73bor

Well, at the expense of the fact that this is an impossible task, it’s not a fact, it seems that there are times when all this world jurisdiction means absolutely nothing!

This is for the rest of the Western world, world jurisdiction does not mean anything, how they put the bolt and they will put the same bolt, and I, I am surprised, follow UN resolutions directly at every dot, it’s time for you to put a big big bolt on all these UN New ravings!

[Mercenary]

"such a permit, given the position of the United States, appears to be a daunting task"
Well, strain the lawyers, do mattress toppers somehow solve such problems in their favor? And then they are going to Malaysia with the SU-35 with the technology to push, but the Iranians can't?

[hartlend]

Quote: From Samara

Obtaining such permission, given the position of the United States, is a difficult task. Therefore, the implementation of Tehran’s plans to acquire Russian planes today looks doubtful, the blogger notes.

I would like to go to bloggers, let them teach me! If the negotiations are effective, then there is a way to do it.