Indonesia plans to buy Russian Su-35

Indonesia intends in March of this year to conclude a contract with the Russian Federation for the supply of X-NUMX fighter jets Su-10, reports MIC With reference to the head of the Ministry of Defense of the country Riamizard Riachud.

“In March, I am going to Russia to sign a contract,” the minister said.

According to him, the parties "have agreed not only on the purchase, but also on the transfer of technology."

Ryachudu also noted that "Indonesian specialists who will operate and maintain the aircraft will receive training, most likely, in Russia."

The publication notes that “the Minister announced about the upcoming agreement after a meeting with the Russian delegation in Indonesia, headed by Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev.”

Currently, the Indonesian Air Force operates Su-27 and Su-30. Planned for the purchase of Su-35 should replace outdated American fighter F-5 Tiger.

Comments

[Reserve officer]

"According to him, the parties" agreed not only on the purchase, but also on the transfer of technology. "

Hard to believe. Su-Xnumx technology to Indonesia?

[Deniska]

In the age of information and technology, it is a little silly to transfer technologists, unless of course there is a more modern and better one that will remain in the store.

[Temples]

“Indonesian specialists who will operate and maintain the aircraft will undergo training, probably, in Russia".

It is strange to learn how to operate the SU-35 in Russia ???
Why not in Zimbabwe ?, well, to the extreme country in Peru.
Why in Russia ???

“Agreed not only on the purchase, but also on the transfer of technology”

The technology of boarding the pilot's aircraft will be transferred.
I think this technology transfer will be completed.

[Baikonur]

Well, the Syrian advertisement of the Russian aviation starts to "shoot"!
We are waiting for the demonstration of the S-400! Rocket advertising is even more impressive!

[Tusv]

Quote: Baikonur

We are waiting for the demonstration of the S-400!

The C300 has never fired at real targets, and there are even fewer flying under four hundred daredevils. Reputation

[Inok10]

Quote: Tusv

The C300 has never fired at real targets, and there are even fewer flying under four hundred daredevils. Reputation

... just like that ... as well as competing with SS 35 "who is higher, faster, stronger" ... Indonesia well done, Swedes and French were left behind ...

[skrabplus.ru]

there is more modern, just not yet fully implemented

[shuhartred]

Quote: Deniska

In the age of information and technology, it’s a little silly to transfer technology,

Che I stopped understanding the people on the forum !! First, the cries of "we must get off the raw material needle and trade in technologies and high-tech products" !! Well, they sell technologies, again the cry "you can't sell technologies and breed competitors !!!!" Okay. Let's say the same Indonesians say, "OK then sell us 200 aircraft with maintenance, pilot training, etc." Again screams, "we first need to saturate our Air Force, not to sell to everyone." I have one question. What do you guys really want ?????

[Dewa1s]

Apparently they want haloperidol.

[Stirbjorn]

Well, we don’t know what specific technologies, hardly the whole package of documentation for the plane. Can navigation, communication or control systems, etc.

[Vladimirets]

"The S-35 should replace the outdated American F-5 Tiger fighters"

Equivalent replacement.

[Denis Obukhov]

That's right. It has long been necessary to get rid of American junk. At one time, they came to this country with the best offers of cooperation, and it all ended with almost an enslavement from the IMF. In general, as always.

[Dam]

He will explain the physical principle of aeronautics. This is already significant technology!

[rom8726]

I won’t be surprised at anything. Now everything is for sale. especially with us

[Thunderbolt]

Indonesia Aircraft Industry
Indonesia's aviation industry specializes mainly in transport and base patrol aircraft, as well as multi-purpose helicopters. In the country itself, aircraft are delivered to all types of aircraft, the police, the Ministry of Forestry, as well as local air transport companies. In addition, exports are made to Thailand, France, the United States, Ireland, Turkey, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Chile, Brunei, the United Arab Emirates, Venezuela and the Republic of Korea.

[Tusv]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Indonesia's aviation industry is power

Personally, I have the opinion that this is not the technology that people are traveling to. And about the production will be discussed. It needs to be tough. or CSTO, or Forest on an erotic journey for magic mushrooms

[jjj]

This news is from a specific media outlet. Journalists, when they write, cover themselves with straws of all sorts of words so that they are not brought to court, since they have no documented information. Therefore, when the news in the media is replete with words such as "we think", "apparently", "there is reason to believe", "most likely", etc., then these are the fifth to tenth hands, or maybe just a duck

[NEXUS]

Quote: Reserve officer

Hard to believe. Su-Xnumx technology to Indonesia?

Apparently, this refers to the technology for the export version of the 35th. Although, in my opinion, Indonesia’s new technologies are unlikely to be transferred.

[Alex_Rarog]

Now the Syrian company is advertising will make customers fight for them !!!
only have time to darn ...

[Themi30]

So far, only technology is being sold that China has them, 10 aircraft is for pro forma. What is there time to darn? State secrets are for sale, and not the final product, personally, I see little positive, it is necessary that our people build in our factories, and the sale of technologies is a mess. To sell hundreds of T-90s to the Indians, and already all the documentation for this, this is the case, and 10 aircraft ...

[sever.56]

First of all, the Su-35 should be provided with its own VKS, and then delivered to other countries.
And even that is not for everyone. And to deliver technologies to them - this in general, seems like a crime. Earning dough should not go to the detriment of the country's defense. What, Indonesia is our great friend? Where are the guarantees that soon they will not give the Su-35 to the Americans?

[Alex_Rarog]

One sold plane is a plus one for us!

[sever.56]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

One sold plane is a plus one for us!

What's "plus one for us" ???

[Alex_Rarog]

plus plane! You compare the purchase prices for the customer for us!

[Evgeniy667b]

But what is this plus? Almost 400 Su-30s have been exported, and about 50 in our Russian airborne forces !!! Is that okay? What to defend Russia with, on patched-rolled junk?

[novobranets]

Quote: sever.56

Where are the guarantees that soon they will not give the Su-35 to the Americans?

It will be so. Indonesia does not and does not plan to create capacities for the production of aircraft, therefore they need technology for sale in third parties. Into these raking, striped, smelly hands.

[sharp-lad]

And what kind of shisha? They’ll sell ten to Indonesia and make themselves two over the budget, they won’t sell, and the planned ones will freeze!

[Stirbjorn]

Not so long ago I read an article where Poghosyan was accused of pushing the "raw" Su-35 instead of the tried and tested Su-30. And that's how it comes out - already the second export contract

[yuriy55]

Yeah. Better existing "Dryers" than the fantastic "F-35" ...

[fan_]

Transfer technology with a batch of 10 cars? If in 100-150 then it would be clear.

[Alexander 3]

Well, well done, they are switching to Russian technology.

[newcomer]

I’m afraid I’m mistaken, but tell me if the special services and the military are strong enough with politicians to sell them su35? after all, even the export version is of great interest to the “tailors”. I hope for our military, apparently they know what they are doing.

[Santjaga_Garka]

That's right, you have to conquer the market, post for yourself, once sitting on the dryer, the pilot will no longer climb the F-ku *)

[76SSSR]

agreed not only on the purchase, but also on the transfer of technology

There are different technologies for technologies, I think that this is a technology for maintaining tire pressure, or a technology for painting the landing gear.)

[Siberia]

For any of this batch of SU-35, a part will be immediately transferred by Indonesia to its "partners" (the United States and its henchmen) for close study ... Do we need it?

[Knight Rider]

If this is licensed production - it makes sense in technology transfer. But Indonesia can not be called an aviation power, do they need technology?
PS A couple of brand new Su-35s recently replenished the combat strength of 23 IAP. The contract of 2009 is closed.

[triglav]

Ryachudu also noted that "Indonesian specialists who will operate and maintain the aircraft will receive training, most likely, in Russia."

And where else on Russian planes?

[Rurikovich]

Normal contract. So what, what is technology transfer supposed to be? Technology technology is different.
For example . At one time, patents and technologies for the production of AKs were transferred to the right and left to the countries of the socialist camp and to those in sympathy. always what was done with the Union in quality was many times better than copies. Assembly technology can be transferred, but the composition of the metal and the culture of production cannot be transferred. Therefore, even advanced Chinese amateurs could not recreate AK precisely of Soviet quality.
We will transfer assembly technologies, drawings and other documentation. But in order to produce a truly analogue of an airplane, other enterprises for the production of brooms, engines, and motley research institutes must also be transferred. But this seems to be out of the question. So what's the excitement? Extra money to continue building for yourself, the development of new types of aircraft will not hurt. Moreover, in fact, to some extent, aircraft based on the SU-27 airframe are already a thing of the past.
So personally, I don’t see anything criminal in this. Here its nuances are enough. We are not fools either. Probably
And in contracts, it is possible to add in small print prohibitions on transfer to third parties with all the ensuing consequences. There are a lot of solutions to this problem. And there is nothing to be afraid of.
So if you want the worst copies - please save and produce. If you can. And if you want quality, pay and take quality.
In today's world, technology can recreate units, and I doubt that Indonesia will be able to recreate fighter engines without Sopomat. And everything else is not so simple.

[Tusv]

Quote: Rurikovich

to some extent, airplanes based on the SU-27 airframe are already a thing of the past.

Just stand, just fall. Especially when it comes to Flankers E +. Su-27 is also Flanker. Only Su-34 Defender

[Rurikovich]

I meant that in comparison with the machines of the so-called fifth generation.
And since there are only a few countries that can not only dream of such a thing and do it, then for them Sushi is from the 27th to the 35th top of dreams.
And do not forget that no matter how wonderful the SU-34 is (there are no analogues, in my opinion), this is just a DEEP modernization of the SU-27. So all this line of cars is built on one glider.
And no matter how the pluses are added to the generation, changing equipment and improving engines and weapons, the basis is one.
And the T-50 is already the next step

[newcomer]

You see, DC3 they will not study for production, but to find out the best and worst aspects for counteracting and planning tactics against our su35s, that’s what they need for them. for example, Ukrainians sold su27 yanks for these purposes. although the 27th say not advanced in our VKS.

[Cobra77]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

One sold plane is a plus one for us!

This is a plus of several million in the pocket of effective managers and no more. You do not confuse the pockets of the state and private individuals. For us pays state. budget. But the sale of technology of the most modern aircraft that is available (T50 is not yet known when and how it will be) is pure betrayal. But we have capitalism, all for the sake of money, yes. Nat interests? No, have not heard....

[hartlend]

Advertising has worked, demand has gone.

[NordUral]

How much can such a drive on in? We need such information - such and such a country purchased this or that from the Russian military-industrial complex. I bought it!

[AID.S]

Quote: Rurikovich

I doubt that Indonesia will be able to recreate fighter engines without SoproMat. And everything else is not so simple.

About how many wonderful discoveries
Prepares Sopomata Spirit ..
or
Tried the enemy of the Russian soldier,
But he did not issue SoproMat ..