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Indonesia plans to buy Russian Su-35

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Indonesia intends in March of this year to conclude a contract with the Russian Federation for the supply of X-NUMX fighter jets Su-10, reports MIC With reference to the head of the Ministry of Defense of the country Riamizard Riachud.




“In March, I am going to Russia to sign a contract,” the minister said.

According to him, the parties "have agreed not only on the purchase, but also on the transfer of technology."

Ryachudu also noted that "Indonesian specialists who will operate and maintain the aircraft will receive training, most likely, in Russia."

The publication notes that “the Minister announced about the upcoming agreement after a meeting with the Russian delegation in Indonesia, headed by Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev.”

Currently, the Indonesian Air Force operates Su-27 and Su-30. Planned for the purchase of Su-35 should replace outdated American fighter F-5 Tiger.
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  1. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 11 February 2016 16: 18
    14
    "According to him, the parties" agreed not only on the purchase, but also on the transfer of technology. "

    Hard to believe. Su-Xnumx technology to Indonesia?
    1. Deniska
      Deniska 11 February 2016 16: 20
      +6
      In the age of information and technology, it is a little silly to transfer technologists, unless of course there is a more modern and better one that will remain in the store.
      1. Temples
        Temples 11 February 2016 16: 25
        +8
        “Indonesian specialists who will operate and maintain the aircraft will undergo training, probably, in Russia".


        It is strange to learn how to operate the SU-35 in Russia ???
        Why not in Zimbabwe ?, well, to the extreme country in Peru.
        Why in Russia ??? laughing
        “Agreed not only on the purchase, but also on the transfer of technology”

        The technology of boarding the pilot's aircraft will be transferred.
        I think this technology transfer will be completed.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 11 February 2016 16: 32
          +1
          Well, the Syrian advertisement of the Russian aviation starts to "shoot"!
          We are waiting for the demonstration of the S-400! Rocket advertising is even more impressive!
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 11 February 2016 16: 49
            +5
            Quote: Baikonur
            We are waiting for the demonstration of the S-400!

            The C300 has never fired at real targets, and there are even fewer flying under four hundred daredevils. Reputation
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 11 February 2016 17: 32
              +2
              Quote: Tusv
              The C300 has never fired at real targets, and there are even fewer flying under four hundred daredevils. Reputation

              ... just like that ... as well as competing with SS 35 "who is higher, faster, stronger" ... Indonesia well done, Swedes and French were left behind ... hi
      2. skrabplus.ru
        skrabplus.ru 11 February 2016 16: 37
        +2
        there is more modern, just not yet fully implemented
      3. shuhartred
        shuhartred 11 February 2016 17: 23
        +9
        Quote: Deniska
        In the age of information and technology, it’s a little silly to transfer technology,

        Che I stopped understanding the people on the forum !! First, the cries of "we must get off the raw material needle and trade in technologies and high-tech products" !! Well, they sell technologies, again the cry "you can't sell technologies and breed competitors !!!!" Okay. Let's say the same Indonesians say, "OK then sell us 200 aircraft with maintenance, pilot training, etc." Again screams, "we first need to saturate our Air Force, not to sell to everyone." I have one question. What do you guys really want ?????
        1. Dewa1s
          Dewa1s 12 February 2016 06: 05
          0
          Apparently they want haloperidol.
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    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 February 2016 16: 23
      +4
      Well, we don’t know what specific technologies, hardly the whole package of documentation for the plane. Can navigation, communication or control systems, etc.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 11 February 2016 16: 28
        +4
        "The S-35 should replace the outdated American F-5 Tiger fighters"

        Equivalent replacement. smile
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 11 February 2016 16: 28
      +2
      That's right. It has long been necessary to get rid of American junk. At one time, they came to this country with the best offers of cooperation, and it all ended with almost an enslavement from the IMF. In general, as always.
    5. Dam
      Dam 11 February 2016 16: 41
      0
      He will explain the physical principle of aeronautics. This is already significant technology!
    6. rom8726
      rom8726 11 February 2016 16: 44
      +1
      I won’t be surprised at anything. Now everything is for sale. especially with us
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 11 February 2016 16: 52
        0
        Indonesia Aircraft Industry
        Indonesia's aviation industry specializes mainly in transport and base patrol aircraft, as well as multi-purpose helicopters. In the country itself, aircraft are delivered to all types of aircraft, the police, the Ministry of Forestry, as well as local air transport companies. In addition, exports are made to Thailand, France, the United States, Ireland, Turkey, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Chile, Brunei, the United Arab Emirates, Venezuela and the Republic of Korea.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 11 February 2016 17: 03
          0
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Indonesia's aviation industry is power

          Personally, I have the opinion that this is not the technology that people are traveling to. And about the production will be discussed. It needs to be tough. or CSTO, or Forest on an erotic journey for magic mushrooms
      2. jjj
        jjj 11 February 2016 16: 52
        0
        This news is from a specific media outlet. Journalists, when they write, cover themselves with straws of all sorts of words so that they are not brought to court, since they have no documented information. Therefore, when the news in the media is replete with words such as "we think", "apparently", "there is reason to believe", "most likely", etc., then these are the fifth to tenth hands, or maybe just a duck
    7. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 February 2016 16: 49
      +1
      Quote: Reserve officer
      Hard to believe. Su-Xnumx technology to Indonesia?

      Apparently, this refers to the technology for the export version of the 35th. Although, in my opinion, Indonesia’s new technologies are unlikely to be transferred.
  2. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 11 February 2016 16: 19
    +3
    Now the Syrian company is advertising will make customers fight for them !!!
    only have time to darn ...
    1. Themi30
      Themi30 11 February 2016 16: 30
      0
      So far, only technology is being sold that China has them, 10 aircraft is for pro forma. What is there time to darn? State secrets are for sale, and not the final product, personally, I see little positive, it is necessary that our people build in our factories, and the sale of technologies is a mess. To sell hundreds of T-90s to the Indians, and already all the documentation for this, this is the case, and 10 aircraft ...
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 11 February 2016 16: 19
    +7
    First of all, the Su-35 should be provided with its own VKS, and then delivered to other countries.
    And even that is not for everyone. And to deliver technologies to them - this in general, seems like a crime. Earning dough should not go to the detriment of the country's defense. What, Indonesia is our great friend? Where are the guarantees that soon they will not give the Su-35 to the Americans?
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 11 February 2016 16: 21
      -2
      One sold plane is a plus one for us!
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 11 February 2016 16: 31
        0
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        One sold plane is a plus one for us!


        What's "plus one for us" ???
        1. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 11 February 2016 17: 02
          0
          plus plane! You compare the purchase prices for the customer for us!
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      3. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 11 February 2016 18: 34
        0
        But what is this plus? Almost 400 Su-30s have been exported, and about 50 in our Russian airborne forces !!! Is that okay? What to defend Russia with, on patched-rolled junk?
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 11 February 2016 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: sever.56
      Where are the guarantees that soon they will not give the Su-35 to the Americans?

      It will be so. Indonesia does not and does not plan to create capacities for the production of aircraft, therefore they need technology for sale in third parties. Into these raking, striped, smelly hands.
    3. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 11 February 2016 19: 58
      0
      And what kind of shisha? They’ll sell ten to Indonesia and make themselves two over the budget, they won’t sell, and the planned ones will freeze!
  4. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 11 February 2016 16: 20
    +1
    Not so long ago I read an article where Poghosyan was accused of pushing the "raw" Su-35 instead of the tried and tested Su-30. And that's how it comes out - already the second export contract
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 11 February 2016 16: 20
    0
    Yeah. Better existing "Dryers" than the fantastic "F-35" ... wink
  6. fan_
    fan_ 11 February 2016 16: 21
    +4
    Transfer technology with a batch of 10 cars? If in 100-150 then it would be clear.
  7. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 11 February 2016 16: 21
    0
    Well, well done, they are switching to Russian technology.
  8. newcomer
    newcomer 11 February 2016 16: 23
    +6
    I’m afraid I’m mistaken, but tell me if the special services and the military are strong enough with politicians to sell them su35? after all, even the export version is of great interest to the “tailors”. I hope for our military, apparently they know what they are doing.
  9. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 11 February 2016 16: 25
    -1
    That's right, you have to conquer the market, post for yourself, once sitting on the dryer, the pilot will no longer climb the F-ku *)
  10. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 11 February 2016 16: 27
    +1
    agreed not only on the purchase, but also on the transfer of technology

    There are different technologies for technologies, I think that this is a technology for maintaining tire pressure, or a technology for painting the landing gear.)
  11. Siberia
    Siberia 11 February 2016 16: 31
    +2
    For any of this batch of SU-35, a part will be immediately transferred by Indonesia to its "partners" (the United States and its henchmen) for close study ... Do we need it?
  12. KnightRider
    KnightRider 11 February 2016 16: 39
    0
    If this is licensed production - it makes sense in technology transfer. But Indonesia can not be called an aviation power, do they need technology?
    PS A couple of brand new Su-35s recently replenished the combat strength of 23 IAP. The contract of 2009 is closed. soldier
  13. triglav
    triglav 11 February 2016 16: 49
    +1
    Ryachudu also noted that "Indonesian specialists who will operate and maintain the aircraft will receive training, most likely, in Russia."
    And where else on Russian planes?
  14. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 11 February 2016 16: 53
    +3
    Normal contract. So what, what is technology transfer supposed to be? Technology technology is different.
    For example . At one time, patents and technologies for the production of AKs were transferred to the right and left to the countries of the socialist camp and to those in sympathy. always what was done with the Union in quality was many times better than copies. Assembly technology can be transferred, but the composition of the metal and the culture of production cannot be transferred. Therefore, even advanced Chinese amateurs could not recreate AK precisely of Soviet quality.
    We will transfer assembly technologies, drawings and other documentation. But in order to produce a truly analogue of an airplane, other enterprises for the production of brooms, engines, and motley research institutes must also be transferred. But this seems to be out of the question. So what's the excitement? Extra money to continue building for yourself, the development of new types of aircraft will not hurt. Moreover, in fact, to some extent, aircraft based on the SU-27 airframe are already a thing of the past.
    So personally, I don’t see anything criminal in this. Here its nuances are enough. We are not fools either. Probably repeat
    And in contracts, it is possible to add in small print prohibitions on transfer to third parties with all the ensuing consequences. There are a lot of solutions to this problem. And there is nothing to be afraid of.
    So if you want the worst copies - please save and produce. If you can. And if you want quality, pay and take quality.
    In today's world, technology can recreate units, and I doubt that Indonesia will be able to recreate fighter engines without Sopomat. And everything else is not so simple.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 11 February 2016 17: 12
      0
      Quote: Rurikovich
      to some extent, airplanes based on the SU-27 airframe are already a thing of the past.

      Just stand, just fall. Especially when it comes to Flankers E +. Su-27 is also Flanker. Only Su-34 Defender
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 11 February 2016 18: 01
        0
        I meant that in comparison with the machines of the so-called fifth generation. wink
        And since there are only a few countries that can not only dream of such a thing and do it, then for them Sushi is from the 27th to the 35th top of dreams.
        And do not forget that no matter how wonderful the SU-34 is (there are no analogues, in my opinion), this is just a DEEP modernization of the SU-27. So all this line of cars is built on one glider.
        And no matter how the pluses are added to the generation, changing equipment and improving engines and weapons, the basis is one.
        And the T-50 is already the next step hi
  15. newcomer
    newcomer 11 February 2016 17: 19
    +3
    You see, DC3 they will not study for production, but to find out the best and worst aspects for counteracting and planning tactics against our su35s, that’s what they need for them. for example, Ukrainians sold su27 yanks for these purposes. although the 27th say not advanced in our VKS.
  16. Cobra77
    Cobra77 11 February 2016 17: 30
    +2
    Quote: Alex_Rarog
    One sold plane is a plus one for us!


    This is a plus of several million in the pocket of effective managers and no more. You do not confuse the pockets of the state and private individuals. For us pays state. budget. But the sale of technology of the most modern aircraft that is available (T50 is not yet known when and how it will be) is pure betrayal. But we have capitalism, all for the sake of money, yes. Nat interests? No, have not heard....
  17. hartlend
    hartlend 11 February 2016 20: 08
    0
    Advertising has worked, demand has gone.
  18. NordUral
    NordUral 11 February 2016 21: 23
    +2
    How much can such a drive on in? We need such information - such and such a country purchased this or that from the Russian military-industrial complex. I bought it!
  19. AID.S
    AID.S 12 February 2016 00: 03
    0
    Quote: Rurikovich
    I doubt that Indonesia will be able to recreate fighter engines without SoproMat. And everything else is not so simple.

    About how many wonderful discoveries
    Prepares Sopomata Spirit ..
    or
    Tried the enemy of the Russian soldier,
    But he did not issue SoproMat ..