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For the slogan "Glory to Ukraine" soon in Ukraine will beat the face

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For the slogan "Glory to Ukraine" soon in Ukraine will beat the face



When I hear the words about the Russian-Ukrainian relations that have been spoiled forever, I involuntarily recall the divorce proceedings of Baron Munchausen and his wife Jacobina from the comedy “That same Myunghausen”:

- Explain why divorce? How is it: 20 years all was well and suddenly such a tragedy?

- Sorry, Mr. Judge, the tragedy of 20 has lasted for years ... And now everything should be fine.

Perhaps the Russians have reason to call the February coup 2014 of the year a failure of the Kremlin’s foreign policy in the Ukrainian direction. However, from Kiev the situation is different. In fact, there was nothing to fail. The Ukrainian project since its conception in the beginning of the XIX century was hostile to Russia. In the Russian Empire, they did not know what to do with it, in the Soviet Union they tried to tame it, and the leadership of modern Russia entrusted the decision of the Ukrainian question to the court stories.

For a start, it is worth refuting several myths rooted in recent years.

Firstly, Kiev’s multi-vector policy has always been bluffed. Ukraine was blackmailing the West with the fact that it would go towards rapprochement with Russia, and at the same time blackmail Russia with the threat of rapprochement with the West. It is necessary to understand that the political elites of the Square have always wanted to rob the country on their own and without any obligations to external players. They equally do not need either European integration or an alliance with Russia.

Secondly, in Ukraine there never existed influential political forces oriented toward rapprochement with Russia. Kuchma and Yanukovich’s “pro-Russian” nature is a myth. It was under the authority of these two presidents that the nationalist movement grew and matured. Ukrainization of Ukraine went more successfully under Kuchma and Yanukovych. The Russian population had to choose between two evils: the pro-Russian scum and the nationalists.

At the same time, the alignment of political forces in Ukraine was such that Russia had no one to rely on, except for all the same Kuchma and Yanukovich. It was impossible to create an influential Russian party under their authority, exactly as to ensure the broadcasting of the Russian media in Ukraine.

However, the greatest damage to the reputation of Russia was caused by the fact that large-scale looting and the transformation of Ukraine into a thieves oligarchic state took place again under allegedly “pro-Russian” presidents. This led to the fact that the society formed an opinion about the Russian nature of Ukrainian corruption.

How easy and important the Russians usually get to curse in everything and all their leadership. Only no one will say - how should it have acted in historically formed circumstances? Lead anti-Ukrainian propaganda with a formally "friendly" government? Perhaps it was necessary to impose trade and economic sanctions on Ukraine unilaterally, or to introduce a visa regime? All this would serve as another proof of the old myth about the anti-Ukrainian essence of Russia.

All those who today whine about the failures of Russian policy in Ukraine are not able to calculate the options for the development of the situation at least one step ahead. The only sensible solution to the Ukrainian problem for the Russian leadership was a policy of non-interference in the affairs of a sovereign state.

After the February 2014 coup, everything became fair. All "pro-Russian" parties in Ukraine are crushed or banned. No one bothers European integration. Those who in their right mind cannot be accused of sympathizing with Russia or lacking “patriotism” have come to power. Ukraine can even become a member of the European Union, even 51-m state of the United States ... However, the unexpected discovery for Ukrainians was that they were not expected anywhere. European integration was a great fake.

Another great disappointment was the wildest corruption and incompetence of Ukrainian patriots. Their level of intelligence and culture of behavior causes a wild horror even among the Ukrainian philistine who has had a species. It is not surprising that with such leadership in two years the government system was completely killed and the economy collapsed.

The current authorities are not afraid of anything. They are supported by the West, and they consider themselves to be a titular nation. According to the Ukrainian “concepts”, this gives them the right to commit the most inhuman acts, to carry out absolutely anti-people reforms, to drive thousands of men for slaughter to the ATO zone. Nationalists can godlessly lie to the people, because “Ukraine is a ponad use” and write off any meanness. Isn't it great that Russia has nothing to do with this mess?

The anti-constitutional coup of 2014 and the crimes of the nationalists gave Russia the moral right to tell the truth about the past and present of Ukraine. Millions of people in Russia and abroad have unexpectedly found out for themselves that, until the twentieth century, there was no Ukraine or Ukrainians. This is just an artificially created project by the enemies of Russia. Now it is most naturally closed by the hands of the Ukrainian nationalists themselves. Should we worry about the Russians?

Many believe that Russian-Ukrainian relations are spoiled for decades. I do not think. Everything will happen much faster and depends only on how soon the Ukrainians learn the whole truth about what is happening to them over the past quarter century. I would not be surprised that in a few years the Ukrainians themselves for the slogan "Glory to Ukraine" will beat their faces. This “glory” cost the Ukrainians a very expensive price.
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  1. Putinets
    Putinets 12 February 2016 18: 28
    39
    No, this is in the acute phase for another 5-7 years, in the severe, chronic for 20 years, subject to the liquidation of Dill as a state. The re-education of a whole generation of Unterman should preferably take place as part of Great Russia
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 12 February 2016 18: 30
      97
      Firstly, the liquidation of Ukraine as a state.
      Second, the elimination of "Ukrainians" itself, as an anti-Russian ultra-nationalist project.
      Yes, a lot more can be listed, but why? In the short term, tension will only increase.
      1. Urals
        Urals 12 February 2016 18: 36
        84
        Well, Glory to OUR Ukraine! So what?))))
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          1. hrych
            hrych 12 February 2016 19: 09
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            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 12 February 2016 19: 24
              18
              Urals 18:36
              Well, Glory to OUR Ukraine! So what?))))

              And what about the DNI rebel commanders Motorola and Givi?
              Did you understand the article - who is it about? Read the material carefully!
              1. reservist
                reservist 12 February 2016 19: 33
                51
                Quote: Tatiana
                And the DNR rebel commanders Motorola and Givi are related to the regime of the pro-American fascist junta Waltzman and Co., which settled in Kiev

                well, whoever still has the chance to kick out this gop company from there ...
                1. severniy
                  severniy 12 February 2016 19: 38
                  +1
                  In general, I agree with the author, the current is here:
                  Baron MunexrAousen with his wife Jacobin from the comedy “That same Munghauzen ":

                  the writer needs to decide about which of these two he writes laughing .
                  1. Baikonur
                    Baikonur 12 February 2016 20: 18
                    +7
                    Well, don’t need to dig so much, it’s obvious that it is an ogre!
                    (I didn’t set a minus, for such attentiveness, it’s possible to humor too, I personally didn’t notice!)

                    PS:
                    Maybe not much on the topic, but look how the swamp plague rolls a barrel on the President.
                    Here, recently, someone said that Navalysh is the only one in Russia who is not afraid of the authorities (By the way, they answered him coolly that Nemtsov is not at all afraid of it either!)
                    A couple of hours ago:
                    The court refused to consider the claim of Navalny against President Putin

                    According to Navalny, the head of state violated article 10 of the law "On Combating Corruption", namely, entered into a conflict of interests. Navalny personally saw the conflict of interests in one of the shareholders of Sibur - Kirill Shamalov. According to Navalny, in February 2013, Kirill Shamalov became the husband of Putin's daughter. Or Ekaterina Tikhonova, whom Alexei Navalny called Putin's daughter.
                    Earlier, the lawyers of the Navalny Fund tried to file a lawsuit against the Russian prosecutor general Yuri Chaika, who could contribute to the business of their sons.
                    http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2719770
                    1. nemo778
                      nemo778 13 February 2016 02: 36
                      18
                      Eh! About the deceased, or good or not! But I'll write! I found the times when this heap-duck was the governor of Nizhny-Novgorod! I am a Muscovite, I practically lived in this city! Once a week a business trip for 3-4 days and so for 5 years. Train, car, the whole road in front of my eyes! You come "How do you get to another planet" I am not such squalor mixed with chic I saw no where! His PR and stupidity crossed all boundaries! Transfer all officials to the "Volga", Nizhny Novgorod-Moscow road (there was NOT enough red asphalt, with cataphores to the dividing point, even to Gorokhovets) Border of the Nizhny Novgorod region (about 20 -30 km?), And what were the people of Nizhny Novgorod talking about, I generally keep quiet! And now "this" "creature" crap and tried to real people responsible for all of RUSSIA! "Write" in the eyes! In full view of all Russians! The land to him "rest in peace" hi
                      1. nemo778
                        nemo778 13 February 2016 03: 27
                        23
                        Today I installed a wardrobe for a woman from Ukraine (pensioners, they live on the Khodynskoye field "in Moscow! So she told how she went to (Kiev region) in 2015! Everyone" tries "to be silent! Confusion, from communists to Natsiks! But when I was leaving for Moscow! People were shouting from the windows! Lena, you will come to Moscow, Tell everything to Putin, let him bomb these bitches in Kiev! One shouted, you will fly over Kiev, call Volodya! Many have plates! Khokhlo-stan try not to look ! Even families gather to watch Russia! That's it! For what I bought, for that I sold !!! hiPS What friendly people! Coffee, tea, Dinner! Very! Nice! Hospitality has changed very much in Moscow! Because of the "rabble" from all over the country of Unions! A pity !!!!!
                      2. go21zd45few
                        go21zd45few 13 February 2016 08: 03
                        16
                        And why should Putin clean up Ukraine, you Ukrainians with the tacit consent of the Nazis allowed you to power and rake you.
                      3. Avantageur
                        Avantageur 13 February 2016 11: 40
                        -3
                        Quote: go21zd45few
                        And why should Putin clean up Ukraine, you Ukrainians with the tacit consent of the Nazis allowed you to power and rake you.

                        October 2004 - Senechka, son, where are you going? - Mom, I’m going to a rally of a “young Bandera” - Go son, go ... just don’t forget to put on a hat, otherwise don’t let Boh, you will catch a cold!


                      4. Aqela
                        Aqela 14 February 2016 09: 47
                        0
                        So it will be so much cheaper! request wassat
                    2. lel
                      lel 13 February 2016 10: 08
                      35
                      himself from the Dnieper ... a lot of people are shocked by what is happening ... since the spring of 14 they went to rallies for a referendum, they quickly crushed us "Kolomoisky" with the help of quickly repainted cops and the same (still) government, they had an all-organization , money, time and, most importantly, support from the authorities .... we were spread rot only for wearing St. George ribbons .... it was then that they beat our leader of the resistance O. Tsarev, forced him to flee to the DNR, burned down his house ... one of the main of their forces at the rallies were students ... a brainless and thoughtless mass, which at 18 years old tried to be "what", their lion's share was from western Ukraine ... now, after 2 years, it is clear that a handful of people seized power despite the majority .. . and the author's rights about the Russian party in the Ukraine was not ... but there was envy. that you do not have "democracy", that your deputies do not beat each other in the face, that you do not crawl in front of the United States with cancer ... and it is not for nothing that now all polls show that Putin would be elected president, that "these" pedros are hated here ... people not with them ... we need help ... we ourselves cannot cope ...
                    3. Dilshat
                      Dilshat 13 February 2016 12: 14
                      +4
                      The whole answer is in this comment! Ukraine itself will no longer be able to help itself and turn into the second uglier version of Poland. The German world has conquered many Slavic tribes and peoples that are now considered Western nations. Time will pass and the Ukrainians will not remember that they were once Slavs. Nobody remembers that the Ukrainian in Old Russian means Russian who renounced Orthodoxy. Ukraine is now like brother Kai. We will retreat and run into the Great Wall of China.
                    4. Aqela
                      Aqela 14 February 2016 10: 02
                      +1
                      No one remembers that Ukrainian in Old Russian means Russian who refused Orthodoxy.

                      Where is the droushka? what
                      In fact, "Ukraine" in Polish means borderland, i.e. border lands. The local lands were still Gogol (and he was clearly in the subject) called "Little Russia". For you it is necessary to mention that in addition to Little Russia, there were at least (differently considered) New Russia (lands annexed to the Russian Empire following the defeat of the Crimean Khanate), Belarus, Chernorossia and Krasnorossia? request
                  2. zennon
                    zennon 13 February 2016 14: 50
                    13
                    Quote: lel
                    we need help .... we ourselves can not cope ...

                    Nikolay, you understand, we can't start intervention now. All the bastard of the world is asleep and sees it! After all, then all the mongrels will be brought down to Russia. The last G.I.D will scream, "you see, we warned you." Over and over again, everything is decided by the economy. Ukraine has one foot in the ecclesiastical grave. A few more years, 4,5 and that's all. Collapse will begin soon. Women will go out to "pan riots." The regions will stop transferring taxes to Kiev. This will launch a parade of sovereignty and everything will be decided by itself. Believe me, I am very sorry for normal, sane Ukrainians. This is an inseparable part of us, but we cannot get in a nickname yet. Sorry ...
                  3. Aqela
                    Aqela 14 February 2016 10: 08
                    +2
                    Ага.
                    I remember that in 1914 they already harnessed for the Serb brothers. And what are the results for Russia, Austria, Germany and Serbia? Who felt good? request fool
                    Answer: United Kingdom and North American United States. negative am
                    Conclusion: these states, washed with the blood of millions of people, were "divorced like the last fuckers". fool
                2. major147
                  major147 13 February 2016 21: 39
                  0
                  I think sane people in Russia do not believe that all the people of Ukraine are anti-Russian. I call now Ukraine "Country of the enraged cattle". In Ukraine, they went berserk and seized power. Normal people suffer from this, they just need to live normally, and not achieve some goals they do not understand.
                3. Aqela
                  Aqela 14 February 2016 10: 14
                  0
                  You, sir, do not call the cattle after the Polish panes of the inhabitants of the territory called the Poles Ukraine, please (in Polish this is draft cattle, quite a practical term). If you are so hare, you must own the great and the mighty, and you will easily find a replacement.
                  Separation of a part of the Russian people, which was under Polish and Austrian occupation into a separate people, is a rather strange thing.
              2. Aqela
                Aqela 14 February 2016 09: 53
                +2
                Recently I read an interesting fact that after the accession of Western Ukraine to the USSR, medical research revealed the presence of syphilis in 80% of the population. By the way, secondary and tertiary syphilis affects the brain completely. wassat He did not spare Lenin’s grandfather at the end of his life. sad crying
                So everything is in order with the brains. good
                By the way, in scientific terminology, thoughtless, brainless, but lively, is called briefly and succinctly: BIOMASS. request
                PySy: Anglo-Saxons traditionally have strong jurisprudence, therefore legal adulthood is recognized only from the age of 21. Before that, a person is considered, in fact, as biomass. belay From here, by the way, such a slippery thing as juvenile justice begins. am
              3. polkovnik manuch
                polkovnik manuch 15 February 2016 10: 01
                0
                They help those who begin to do something themselves. To say that "we ourselves cannot cope" is fundamentally wrong. Who wants to change something for the better, he begins to do it himself. I do not believe that the people in the Outskirts cannot disperse and destroy the "Nazis" on their own.
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              5. Anatoly B
                Anatoly B 15 February 2016 15: 35
                0
                We must start at once! And until complete victory without stopping, without truces and other "Minsk"
          2. Aqela
            Aqela 14 February 2016 09: 45
            0
            But sho, do you still adhere to ancient Roman traditions and, fearing the vengeance of lamas and furies, say only good things about the dead? And you will never say, for example, that a German citizen 88 was exceptional mu.d.kom, because he was already s.doh, like a dog in May 1945? request hi
        2. NIKNN
          NIKNN 13 February 2016 18: 44
          13
          large-scale looting and the transformation of Ukraine into a thieves oligarchic state took place ...
          this is a fact, but about the rest ...
          1. Aqela
            Aqela 14 February 2016 10: 15
            0
            Very good quote. good
      2. Aqela
        Aqela 14 February 2016 09: 38
        +2
        This happens easily when trying to translate completely non-Russian words into Russian. For example, if with the name Sherlock Holmes everything is more or less, then with the names of his biogroph mate and the owner of the apartment in house No. 221B, everything is much more complicated. Would you suggest that they correctly pronounce the Russian-speaking subject?
        Same deal with many Greek words. Well, in Russian, there are no correspondences to the sounds denoted by the letters fita, omicron and omega (there is no distinction of sound length and that's it! And the Hellenes have not only two letters for different longitudes O, but also a whole flock of clarifying superscripts!); on the other hand, no one is puzzled that the "Greek I" (Y, in Latin) is quite a Russian Y corresponds to ... There is such a thing - a carriage. Here you are, dear seeker of the correct spelling of the surname Munchausenhow do you think to say guttural K (the Tatars seem to spell it: "Қ") or the sound that many peoples of the Caucasus designate as "b" (reduced "E" with a specific vocalization, as a rule; by the way, Bulgarians also have this )? By the way, and in the Cyrillic alphabet there were two letters for different variants of pronunciation "Z" (earth and green, if anything) and "E" (including "yat"); about y.s. big and small + iotated conversation options and no ...
        Under socialism, at least they did not bother and read Microsoft exactly as "Microsoft", IBM - IBM. The essence does not change. "The tragedy lasted twenty years."
        PySy: laughed when the auto editor replaced the name of the Cyrillic letter YUS in the plural with "Americans" laughing
    2. cniza
      cniza 12 February 2016 21: 52
      +6
      Oh, how long you slept ...
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    4. blind
      blind 14 February 2016 19: 39
      0
      let them planted themselves and drive
  2. gergi
    gergi 12 February 2016 20: 02
    +3
    Direct relation. By the labor of these guys, Petsya with the Svidomo bastard is robbed heavily.
  • Suhow
    Suhow 13 February 2016 13: 59
    +4
    this is being tricked out of us now, Mishiko is kind of honest, the article, written in the article, is mostly true, but the authorities are afraid of rebellion because they flirt with the Natsiks and their protests are not pressed, which indicates the weakness of both the government itself and its security forces, for many it already dawned that this is an Amerov project and its current performers failed it. In my opinion, the partners set up the pet very much and when they went to arrange a drag for him to protect the ash tree, they try to bleach it on some TV channels. Mishiko and Abromyavichusa are trying to put forward a type of fallback. the patriots themselves also began to get slogans. If earlier I had been actively opposed in discussions, then many are now dejectedly keeping silent about peremokhha and the abbreviation. I apologize if I strained someone ...
  • Kunar
    Kunar 13 February 2016 18: 51
    +2
    Ale! Garage? the author befell a coastal campaign. There are no nations, Ukrainians. There was a wild field to which the Russian people, who were restrained by injustice, lawlessness, fled. swineherders suddenly decided that they could become someone! And since 1914, the CONCEPT appeared! - Ukrainians .... I am not Bebik. I am based on facts. I am referring you to a subscription of one American publication in ukrainian
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 14 February 2016 10: 21
      0
      I will not say that I agree with you, but many of the above facts took place. At the same time, I think you will not argue with the fact that attempts to ensnare the Ukrainian nation in the last hundred years have been just as active. This is the origin of such quirks of national self-determination as the Russian Ivanenko and the Ukrainian-Bandera Semyonov. The names are taken "from the ceiling", but there certainly are.
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  • gergi
    gergi 12 February 2016 19: 58
    +4
    Great guys. Worthy citizens of their country.
  • volodimer
    volodimer 12 February 2016 21: 09
    +8
    For these guys, as well as for their children, I am calm, they will correctly educate the next generation, but to assert that: "The only reasonable solution to the Ukrainian problem for the Russian leadership was the policy of non-interference in the affairs of a sovereign state." it is to admit that we do not care that in twenty-five years of such a policy, a jumping herd has grown. And it will educate its generation in the same way ... And after a while we will again see these unfinished Benders.
    1. 30BIS
      30BIS 12 February 2016 21: 45
      +6
      The former non-interference in the affairs of Ukraine is terrible .. The result is in person!
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 12 February 2016 21: 56
        +1
        Sorry, I fussed in the heat of the moment. Like a wall on a wall and its flies.
    2. Aqela
      Aqela 14 February 2016 10: 23
      +2
      It seems to me that the greatest stupidity was not done in the period from 1991 to 2013, but much earlier, when they rehabilitated in the 50th Bandera trash.
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 12 February 2016 21: 30
    11
    So I don't hear anything bad in the words "Glory to Ukraine", "Glory to the KPSS" is laid out with bricks on the next house, why blow it up or something? The bottom line is that when, when pronouncing them, "Berkut" should not be lit, and Khatyn should not be arranged in Odessa. Let Ukraine be glorified as a rich, fair, happy state for the people. But when it sounds synonymous with "who does not jump, he is", you will excuse me, it's a cure.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 12 February 2016 22: 44
      16
      Quote: ochakow703
      So I don't hear anything bad in the words "Glory to Ukraine", "Glory to the KPSS" is laid out with bricks on the next house, why blow it up or something?

      In fact, "Glory to Ukraine" is historically the first part of the organizational password-greetings of the OUN and UPA militants - organizations officially recognized as criminal in the Russian Federation. But no one, even in modern Russia, recognized the CPSU as criminal. Your analogy is inappropriate.
      By the way, for "Glory to Ukraine" in the Ukrainian SSR it was possible to really get hit in the face. Already in the Donbass for sure.
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 14 February 2016 10: 36
        +1
        In the name of the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Amen! smile
        This I mean that many phrases have a special meaning only in a special context. And the fact that your opponent does not attach the meaning of the Bandera slogan to these words just says that your comrade is "not in the subject", ie not familiar with the context. In his settlement, the Bandera geeks did not hang their neighbors on lampposts on the telephone cable. am
      2. ochakow703
        ochakow703 15 February 2016 03: 43
        0
        By the way, dear, you also pulled out a sentence from the text, and it lost its meaning, and acquired a complete negative. Now, if you read and quote everything together, the meaning is completely different. As for the analogies, I simply do not digest the slogans, no matter what they are and from whose heads they would not proceed. This is some kind of punishment of language, walls, fabric, paper ...
    2. major147
      major147 13 February 2016 21: 31
      0
      And what is "Glory" to her for? What "nice" did she do?
    3. Aqela
      Aqela 14 February 2016 10: 31
      +1
      Glory to Finland! belay
      Hai live reedna Mexicanschina! wassat
      Will remain for centuries in Bangladesh! tongue
      Vivat, Belgium! fellow
      What am I doing? Words like "Glory to Ukrainian" speak only of doubting the existence of self-identity (who am I and am I, in general?).
      Those. this is the answer to a question that constantly piles about somewhere deep down in the soul. And the nonsense is that this answer does not answer anything and does not solve anything.
      By the way, in the above countries the same with self-identity is not all right. But they still do not shout much about it.
  • 30BIS
    30BIS 12 February 2016 21: 42
    +4
    Not that ...! )))) Your Ukraine is Ukraine Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Yatsenyuk, Yanukovych and other pubic lice ?? Shameful Glory ...
  • Uncle VasyaSayapin
    Uncle VasyaSayapin 12 February 2016 22: 39
    +7
    "Yushchenko: panel likar, it is being rented out for me, so Muscovites want to ruin Ukraine.
    Doctor: calm down, ... all this only seems to you ... NO UKRAINE EXISTS! "

    Donbass, Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov - this is Russia
  • Sea Wolf
    Sea Wolf 13 February 2016 20: 10
    +1
    Glory to the heroes of Donbass!
  • tol100v
    tol100v 12 February 2016 19: 08
    31
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    In the short term, tension will only increase.

    They must get sick with an infectious disease called "UKRODOWNISM" themselves! On our part, a quarantine barrier should be established against the penetration of the bacillus "Putin is to blame for everything!" Its spreading must be blocked with good doses of antibiotics, up to "sedatives"!
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 12 February 2016 19: 21
    11
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Second, the elimination of "Ukrainians" itself, as an anti-Russian ultra-nationalist project.

    the liquidation of Ukraine can only happen as a result of the division of Ukraine into two parts and the eviction of particularly violent either to Siberia or Europe, that is, to the Western part ...
    1. 34 region
      34 region 12 February 2016 19: 36
      11
      19.21. And why in two parts? Judging by the amounts of investments and territorial claims, they will tear it like a Tuzik heating pad. Question will we give the whole outskirts or return it all, or part? Those who want to join us are also not visible.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 12 February 2016 21: 24
        18
        Those who want to join us are also not visible.


        A question of the fullness of the poured glass. When Ukraine ceases to finance, those who wish will appear within sight. If Ukraine were Estonia, then financing of a million people could go on forever, but Ukraine is a huge bottomless hole in which handouts of any size disappear without a trace. In which no fiscal rules work. The Europeans simply did not understand where they had gotten along.
        1. Avantageur
          Avantageur 12 February 2016 22: 41
          +1
          Quote: Asadullah
          Those who want to join us are also not visible.


          A question of the fullness of the poured glass. When Ukraine ceases to finance, those who wish will appear within sight. If Ukraine were Estonia, then financing of a million people could go on forever, but Ukraine is a huge bottomless hole in which handouts of any size disappear without a trace. In which no fiscal rules work. The Europeans simply did not understand where they had gotten along.

          A quarter of a century ago, Russia also breathed a sigh of relief when the Union collapsed and some spinogry republics separated, as they invested in this bottomless thankless feeding trough of gray pigeons. Now these finances go to the well-being and world power of Russia.


          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 12 February 2016 23: 35
            14
            Russia, too, was relieved when the Union collapsed


            As for relief, hardly. All industry was spread not only in fifteen republics, but also in the CMEA countries. For example, the Baltic States, immediately closed all defense industries, ravaged adjacent plants of heavy industry, destroyed documentation. Russia had to restore everything from scratch, and many topics drowned irrevocably. Russia did not breathe, Russia cried out when the myriad roots of the national economy were torn off. Now it grows again, takes up new roots and applies other agricultural technology.
            1. Avantageur
              Avantageur 13 February 2016 00: 39
              +4
              Quote: Asadullah
              Russia, too, was relieved when the Union collapsed


              As for relief, hardly. All industry was spread not only in fifteen republics, but also in the CMEA countries. For example, the Baltic States, immediately closed all defense industries, ravaged adjacent plants of heavy industry, destroyed documentation. Russia had to restore everything from scratch, and many topics drowned irrevocably. Russia did not breathe, Russia cried out when the myriad roots of the national economy were torn off. Now it grows again, takes up new roots and applies other agricultural technology.

              Okay, so be it: First I cried out, and then ... she sighed and crossed herself.
            2. Aqela
              Aqela 14 February 2016 10: 39
              0
              Good objection. I just wanted to say it good
          2. polkovnik manuch
            polkovnik manuch 15 February 2016 10: 11
            0
            It is still a long way to the "world power of Russia", and finances by "effective managers" and all sorts of other "liberal shift workers" are openly and exorbitantly withdrawn abroad, where they invest in the development of economies that are alien and alien to us (the overwhelming majority! ").
        2. 2С5
          2С5 13 February 2016 03: 45
          0
          ... they didn’t get caught, they got thrown into "it" ... we even know who wink A really interesting scenario: to tell the Heiropians that the ditches are the guarantor of European security, such as such a "great wall" over which the "aggressor" will never climb over and surpass, and tell XXLs that they are the guarantors of Europe's security and without them it would have been a long time for everyone. .. one side dumps the loot for its supposedly "safety", the other puffs out its cheeks from the consciousness of its own importance and irreplaceability, and the third (the State Department, Moshsha, parsley from the glad) to this music they saw this loot ... bliiin, krasotishsha! good

          pysy: who is to blame? It is also known ... so they would unfasten this "guilty" at least a small fraction ... although this way they unfasten various liberals and oppositionists ... negative
    2. gergi
      gergi 12 February 2016 20: 04
      +8
      In Siberia, Svidomity and so lacking. Come along in due time. In the geyropu asenizatorami.
    3. shtatsov
      shtatsov 13 February 2016 19: 29
      0
      We in Siberia shit unnecessarily!
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 February 2016 21: 50
    +1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Firstly, the liquidation of Ukraine as a state.
    Second, the elimination of "Ukrainians" itself, as an anti-Russian ultra-nationalist project.
    Yes, a lot more can be listed, but why? In the short term, tension will only increase.

    Firstly, the slogan is class. Take a pie from the shelf.
    How will we eliminate it? She and the Armed Forces, and the Air Force, and the Navy and so on and so forth. I understand that, and laughter, and sin. And with legal, but with pan-European, and with pan-human. And from the point of view of a child’s only tear?
    And this is where it begins. "The theater starts, yes, yes, from the hanger." From the beginning, to accept the law inside, for what we execute and at whom we look back. If, as in the East, then I am "for". And if, excuse the obscene expression, the correlation with Western jurisprudence, do not understand mine.
    Secondly. This is where I have problems. How to liquidate it, him or his "Ukrainians" as an anti-Russian ultra-nationalist project. Here I sit, counting how many kilotons will be enough. Honestly, that's enough .... off scale.
    Yes otmazalsya "a lot more can be listed, but why?" And I sit and think.
  • Pajamas
    Pajamas 12 February 2016 18: 34
    24
    Quote: Putin
    No, this is in the acute phase for another 5-7 years, in the severe, chronic for 20 years, subject to the liquidation of Dill as a state. The re-education of a whole generation of Unterman should preferably take place as part of Great Russia


    I don’t know, I’m already fed up with this pouring from empty to empty, to be honest, for every exclamation “I’m not dead yet!” I just want to answer "It's not over yet!"
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 12 February 2016 19: 21
      15
      I don’t know, I’m not inclined to condemn for hohlogordany, for their criminal acts - yes! In general, what they deserve, the Lord will reward. Perhaps in Sadom and Gomorrah, which God destroyed, there were good people too, but punishment for their deeds and silence, non-resistance to sin is also a sin! Everyone will be rewarded according to his affairs with dill and I think rightly! am
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 12 February 2016 22: 59
      +4
      Quote: Pajama
      I don’t know, I’m already fed up with this pouring from empty to empty, to be honest, for every exclamation “I’m not dead yet!” I just want to answer "It's not over yet!"

      They decided there to swap the colors of the flag and change the first line of the anthem, in the hope that after that their affairs would be trampled uphill))) But there, nothing could be changed and the question was - Didn’t she die? most likely means not sympathy, but expectation of the inevitable
  • vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 12 February 2016 18: 38
    +7
    for the slogan "Glory to Ukraine" will beat the face

    It is high time good ready to participate as much as possible smile
  • Kars
    Kars 12 February 2016 18: 38
    +1
    The “pro-Russian” of Kuchma and Yanukovych is a myth. It was under the power of these two presidents that the nationalist movement grew and gained strength. Ukrainianization of Ukraine was more successful under Kuchma and Yanukovych

    I don’t remember any Ukrainianization. But at Yanyka I remember the law on regional languages ​​and Kharkiv agreements. And in return I received gas via 450 with an incomprehensible discount and cheap penny rent of Sevastopol.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 12 February 2016 18: 51
      108
      Well now, neither gas nor Sevastopol. Both issues are resolved. yes
      1. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 12 February 2016 19: 09
        53
        The Ten Commandments of Svidomo Ukrainian:
        1. Svidomo Ukrainian must be stupid. If the Svidomo Ukrainian is not stupid, he automatically becomes a Jew or him.
        2. Svidomo Ukrainian should be tricky. (Note: but with the obligatory observance of clause 1).
        3. Svidomo Ukrainian must be economic - everything that he sees, pull to his home, bite and never share with anyone - even with other Svidomo Ukrainian. (In old Galicia, this principle was also called "His to his for his own.")
        4. Svidomo Ukrainian should speak exclusively Ukrainian. This language should be so incomprehensible to the pits and the Jews that there is nothing wrong if the conscious Ukrainian himself does not understand it.
        5. Svidomo Ukrainian should be deeply religious. He must believe that everything in the world, except for the Jews and her, was invented by Svidomo Ukrainians.
        6. Svidomo Ukrainian should develop his own culture. This means that at the same time he is obliged to spoil someone else's culture - especially the culture of the Jews and her.
        7. Conscious Ukrainian is obliged to lead a healthy sex life. He is allowed to lead a healthy sex life only with the people of his own nation and not his own gender - best of all with his wife or godfather. The best name for a real Ukrainian woman is Oksana. The best name for Ukrainian kuma is Galya. Females with other names should be considered fake Ukrainians.
        8. Every conscious Ukrainian should be a Galician. This does not mean that he is obliged to live in Galicia. On the contrary. Svidomo Ukrainians better to live in Kiev - in government bodies or close to them, but at the same time constantly tell that the real Ukraine is in Galicia.
        9. Svidomo Ukrainians must constantly fight with national traitors. If he establishes that he himself is a traitor, then he must fight with himself, having previously conveyed to himself. If for some reason the Svidomo Ukrainian cannot convey to himself, then he must convey where he should and who he wants.
        10. Svidomo Ukrainians must fight for the independence of Ukraine. The highest form of independence of Ukraine is its independence from Svidomo Ukrainians.
        Note. If the Svidomo Ukrainian does not observe the ten commandments mentioned above, he will be subject to the highest degree of punishment - a reference to his historical homeland - that is, to Galicia. A link to Galicia is in no case permitted to be replaced by deportation to Moscow, Siberia or even Canada i HATO.

        Oles Buzin.
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 13 February 2016 10: 52
          13
          "Honestly" dragged from the vastness of the Internet. I don't know who the author is.

          "We will never be full,
          We will never be dressed ...
          Let the hungry, unwashed,
          But Maydan sung!
          We will never be smart
          We will never be rich
          But we will not trade
          Never sworn with moths.
          Well, let that funny pension
          And wages, as in Central Asia ...
          We believe in European values ​​...
          With lesbians and pederasts.
          Let the gold run out of stocks
          The forehead of the grabel was covered with cones ...
          We'll drink Molotov's cocktail,
          Dropped by its caps ...
          We can play with pomayami
          We twist the little girls with salt ...
          Let him die, but hey,
          For the whole head unique ... "
          1. SAILOROLD
            SAILOROLD 13 February 2016 22: 03
            +1
            Need to continue to drag ...)))
      2. Simon
        Simon 12 February 2016 20: 10
        +4
        And would be part of Russia, it would be much cheaper! request And now the train is gone, try to catch it tongue
    2. Putinets
      Putinets 12 February 2016 18: 51
      70
      But I remember. And I remember the newspapers where they wrote "Enough to feed Moscow. Every day a wagon of sausages" and I remember the language as taught. It is better to use a brick to teach Pavel Tichin. And I remember the stupid stories of Lesya Ukrainka. And constant slogans about the great Ukraine and drinking Russia. The greatness of the Ukrainians was brought up in the 70s and 80s. And what is the outcome?
      1. Black
        Black 12 February 2016 19: 26
        17
        Quote: Putin
        The greatness of Ukrainians was brought up in the 70s and 80s. And what is the output? Dupa


        That's the essence of the whole question. This in the article is quite rightly revealed.
        And comrade. VVP was right when he said that Comrade. Lenin planted a bomb under Russia. The root of evil lies in the Bolshevik approach to the "national question" and territorial division according to national characteristics.

        It seems to me that it was necessary to solve this in the 14th abruptly and irrevocably, during March-April it would be in place. And now we have what we have.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 12 February 2016 19: 29
          13
          Quote: Chen
          And now we have what we have.

          But we have the fact that Ukraine is confidently hanging between an attempt to survive and a terrible end, but I see that its choice is horror without end ....
        2. Arbogast
          Arbogast 12 February 2016 21: 23
          +6
          Quote: Chen
          And comrade. VVP was right when he said that Comrade. Lenin planted a bomb under Russia. The root of evil lies in the Bolshevik approach to the "national question" and territorial division according to national characteristics.

          Oops repeat and who then planted a bomb under the Russian Empire ?!
          After all, in order to successfully fall apart, she was not prevented by the absence territorial division..
          Incidentally, the Roman Empire is also Lenin .. wink ?!
          1. Disant
            Disant 12 February 2016 23: 05
            0
            and what is the problem actually? this was one of the accompanying causes of the collapse of the USSR.
        3. Rarog
          Rarog 13 February 2016 09: 01
          +3
          Quote: Chen

          And comrade. VVP was right when he said that Comrade. Lenin planted a bomb under Russia. The root of evil lies in the Bolshevik approach to the "national question" and territorial division according to national characteristics.


          It is this statement of the GDP that surprises most of all. If he sees that the division of the Country of Soviets into the territory by nat. sign - "root of evil", then why the devil does not he save modern Russia from the same "root", or we do not have the same principle of division ?!
      2. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 12 February 2016 19: 42
        53
        Quote: Putin
        But I remember. And I remember the newspapers where they wrote "Enough to feed Moscow. Every day a wagon of sausages" and I remember the language as taught. It is better to use a brick to teach Pavel Tichin. And I remember the stupid stories of Lesya Ukrainka. And constant slogans about the great Ukraine and drinking Russia. The greatness of the Ukrainians was brought up in the 70s and 80s. And what is the outcome?


        I also remember from the 70s about the unfortunate Ukraine that Russia is robbing. Just let those descendants of the great protoucurs clearly explain to me (the cat, genetically, according to their version, have nothing to do with them, they are closer to pigs, obviously, genetically), what kind of bolt, when half-Kalmyks ruled with Jews, then Georgians, it’s 2 times, and Crimea donated you a corn mailer, and Koba and Ilyich cut your fellow countrymen, and even when the Russians were already in power — and then, you parasites, implicitly sponsored by $ 400 billion. So what kind of bolt are you still unhappy with ?? ? Verily, like my cat, he will devour from the heart, and then he will put me in a boot. And for some reason I’m sure that I won’t eject him from the balcony, or I won’t let him in the trash ... So far, I’m thinking about a cat. Putin also thinks about dill, most likely.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 12 February 2016 20: 43
          +8
          19.42. laughing Allegory with a cat! wassat A plus!
        2. tol100v
          tol100v 12 February 2016 20: 45
          10
          Quote: iliitch
          . While I think about the cat. Putin also thinks about dill, most likely.

          Pity the cat, because he is an animal, and not a cattle, a memory! And GDP will come up with something.
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        4. ando_bor
          ando_bor 12 February 2016 22: 25
          +1
          - For the tail and the ground, the thankless beast?
    3. reservist
      reservist 12 February 2016 18: 59
      +2
      the law on regional languages ​​is not the same as the law on Russian as the second state language for the whole country?
    4. samoletil18
      samoletil18 12 February 2016 19: 01
      -4
      Quote: Kars
      The “pro-Russian” of Kuchma and Yanukovych is a myth. It was under the power of these two presidents that the nationalist movement grew and gained strength. Ukrainianization of Ukraine was more successful under Kuchma and Yanukovych

      I don’t remember any Ukrainianization. But at Yanyka I remember the law on regional languages ​​and Kharkiv agreements. And in return I received gas via 450 with an incomprehensible discount and cheap penny rent of Sevastopol.

      Well, Yanukovych certainly didn’t become poor. Russia proceeded from its interests, Yanukovych from its own.
      1. Kars
        Kars 12 February 2016 19: 04
        +1
        Quote: samoletil18
        Well, Yanukovych certainly didn’t become poor

        But the rest of the country, yes
        Quote: samoletil18
        Russia proceeded from its interests

        then why then they begin that the Russian benefactress, and ho hly not grateful?
        Quote: reservist
        the law on regional languages ​​is not the same as the law on Russian as the second state language for the whole country?

        for regions where they wanted the Rx as a state, the same thing. Even hunger strikes in Kiev, organized by Kiev, went on hunger strikes, and Yanyk took and accepted. And here about Ukrainization.
        Quote: Putin
        But I remember. And the newspapers I remember where they wrote "enough to feed Moscow. Every day a carriage of sausages."

        It was under Yanukovych and Kuchma? Are you confident in your memory?
        1. reservist
          reservist 12 February 2016 19: 22
          +6
          Quote: Kars
          for regions where they wanted the Rx as a state, the same thing. Even hunger strikes in Kiev, organized by Kiev, went on hunger strikes, and Yanyk took and accepted. And here about Ukrainization.

          so the fact of the matter is that the region is not the whole country
          Russians, on the other hand, do not live in Ukraine compactly in "their" regions, after all, it is still somewhere around half of the population ...
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas 12 February 2016 22: 04
            0
            Sorry, that is not the topic, but on your profile picture I saw a military ID, like mine. I haven’t seen him for 100 years, and then he blurted out somehow that I had the identity card of a reserve officer, now I want to correct myself, until I have gone far from sclerosis to senility. )))
            1. reservist
              reservist 15 February 2016 10: 12
              0
              Well, a military ID is unlikely to be an identity card
              in my photo from my student days ...
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 12 February 2016 19: 28
          13
          Quote: Kars
          Well, Yanukovych certainly didn’t become poor
          But the rest of the country, yes

          Kars, are you getting rich now?
          Quote: Kars
          then why then they begin that the Russian benefactress, and ho hly not grateful?

          Whoever says this is a stupid person. Everyone has their own interests. But I don’t understand what is the interest of Ukraine in curtailing ALL contacts? request
          Quote: Kars
          for regions where they wanted the Rx as a state, the same thing. Even hunger strikes in Kiev, organized by Kiev, went on hunger strikes, and Yanyk took and accepted. And here about Ukrainization.

          Yanyk forgive. Tutka, this is for sure. BUT, if the new authorities were a little smarter, they would not pedal the spread of Ukrainian language throughout the territory.
        3. avt
          avt 12 February 2016 19: 33
          32
          Quote: Kars
          But I remember. And the newspapers I remember where they wrote "enough to feed Moscow. Every day a carriage of sausages."
          It was under Yanukovych and Kuchma? Are you confident in your memory?

          This is yes, of course Putin had enough of that, since it was already frankly under Kuchma — Ukraine was not Russia, and under the ssynukovich, the Nazis were openly invited not only surrounded by the ssynukovich, but just as happy as the deputies, and again Pogrebinsky dreamily declared that Ukraine would a kind of bridge between Europe and Russia, to which Kiselev to him - well, yes, we have money and the construction of the bridge, and you - the river. And what is typical - from Kravchukokuchma - we go to Europu up to ssynukovich, and now -Tse Europa. ALL ! Come! laughing
          Quote: Kars
          then why then they begin that the Russian benefactress, and ho hly not grateful?

          Yes, it is - "grateful" has nothing to do with it, it will definitely be - cunningly twisted with fur inside into my mother's mink.
          Quote: Kars
          Kharkiv agreements. And in return received gas at 450 with an incomprehensible discount and a cheap lease of Sevastopol.

          laughing Well I say - cunningly inverted by fur inside into mother’s mink. You don’t have to play the fool right here. At first Yulkina rejoiced in signing an agreement with Gazprom - stupidly from short-term greed, they did not calculate the prospect of raising Brent oil prices, according to which they consider the gas price, now something has fallen into a ball with a drop of $ 30, and then about it, then, at the end of the lease in Sevastopol received in Kharkov not
          Quote: Kars
          with an incomprehensible discount and a cheap rent of Sevastopol.

          and a very specific reference for industry and the other half - to offset the lease during the extension. So the rental in Sevastopol really flew a pretty penny, but Russia - about which people on the website scratched their turnips and some were not shy in expressions then. Now, as true Svidomo begin to whine about a bitter share - all around sold, betrayed such beautiful, smoked tires with free smoke. Stupidly hoping that no one remembers anything. laughing It will not work - all the moves are recorded by the "Finno-Ugrians" in the "Horde" and the scribe from the tundra will inevitably come - blame yourself.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 12 February 2016 21: 46
            +3
            Whinnying from your comment as well as from "iliitchitch" with a cat! Well done! Complete alignment! All cleverly "faces"! Right in the eye!
            The boldest +! hi
        4. Putinets
          Putinets 12 February 2016 20: 03
          12
          No, it was under Shcherbitsky, Ivashko, Kravchuk. And unlike you, at 52, I am in sound memory and a firm hand. And I’ll get into dill.
        5. Simon
          Simon 12 February 2016 20: 20
          +6
          They themselves chose such a government, and that's what they got! Wanted to live in Europe, independent and rich, so live.
        6. KSLip
          KSLip 12 February 2016 22: 44
          +9
          Quote: Kars
          It was under Yanukovych and Kuchma? Are you confident in your memory?

          strong ....
          1. fsps
            fsps 13 February 2016 08: 03
            +2
            And where is all this now? Something is not visible prosperity in the "second Storage". Eaten by the terrible Russians and Putin personally again?
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    6. V.ic
      V.ic 12 February 2016 19: 19
      +9
      Quote: Kars
      I don’t remember any Ukrainianization. But at Yanyk I remember the law on regional languages

      Doctor, I remember here, but I don’t remember there!
      Amnesia or what? Sister write: amnesia occurred as a result of poisoning by Svidomo ... Yes, not sadomasochism, but Svidomo!
      1. Kars
        Kars 12 February 2016 19: 50
        +1
        Quote: V.ic
        Amnesia or what?

        So recall, what are the problems? Ukrainianization under Yanukovych
        Quote: avt
        already frankly the Nazis were invited not only surrounded by Ssynukovich, but simply in a parliament of deputies

        Deputies are generally elected in Ukraine in the elections.
        Quote: avt
        Ukraine will be a kind of bridge between Europe and Russia, to which Kiselev to him - well, yes, we have the money and the construction of the bridge from us, and the river from you. And that is typical - from Kravchukokuchma

        didn’t understand anything. while Putin didn’t press gas and trade wars, Yanukovych wouldn’t spin up European integration. So they themselves pushed.
        Quote: avt
        the first rejoiced at Yulkina’s parermogi in signing an agreement with Gazprom - stupidly from short-term greed did not calculate the prospect of an increase in oil prices

        No one was happy about it .. besides Putin, who even signed a treaty so that he would be the first year, there was a low price, and lured Yulka could become president.
        Quote: avt
        at the end of the lease in Sevastopol

        the ending was already in the year 17, and it was extended to you.
        Quote: avt
        and a very specific reference for industry and the second half - to offset the lease when renewing

        again I didn’t understand anything what you are making up.
        Quote: avt
        So the rental in Sevastopol really flew a pretty penny,

        it was a pretty penny, even though it was necessary to expose a normal amount, Russia is a rich country.
        Quote: avt
        Doesn't work - all moves are recorded by the Finno-Ugrians in

        Yes, recorded. And for the sake of the return of Crimea, Putin received a hostile state at his side.
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Kars, are you getting rich now?

        What countries get richer when the war? So I just get poorer.
        Quote: Vladimirets
        But I don’t understand what is the interest of Ukraine in curtailing ALL contacts?

        there is no interest, only losses. but imagine the trade between the USSR and Germany in 1943, I wonder why they have not turned off for so long.
        Quote: Vladimirets
        BUT if the new authorities were a little smarter

        Like this would stop Putin from squeezing the Crimea?
        1. reservist
          reservist 12 February 2016 20: 07
          +9
          Quote: Kars
          And for the sake of the return of Crimea, Putin received a hostile state at hand.

          however, the causes and effects we have in different places ...
          imho, as it became obvious that after Yanukovych Ukraine will be a state hostile to Russia, it helped (it helped) the Crimea to return (the Crimean story with the return back in the 90s began ...)
          1. Kars
            Kars 12 February 2016 20: 13
            +1
            Quote: reservist
            imho, as it became obvious that after Yanukovych Ukraine will be a state hostile to Russia,

            He specifically leaked Yanukovych to squeeze the Crimea.
            Quote: APASUS
            The elections in Ukraine have long turned into a farce, and if you do not understand it, then it’s very sad

            It’s honestly - I always wanted to, even buckwheat, at least 200 hryvnia to get for the election never succeeded.
            And so how did Yanukovych become president? When Yulka was the current example of a minister?
            There are falsifications, and by the way, too.
            And it’s important the video about the crooked horn about the candidate from the Opposition bloc, such as pro-Russian.
            1. avt
              avt 12 February 2016 20: 33
              21
              Quote: Kars
              He specifically leaked Yanukovych to squeeze the Crimea.

              laughing laughing Well really fool that swallowed a new chant from Svidomo from your TV? laughing Then what will happen ???? Putin (well, surely the god of Ukraine wassat ) Appointed a bloody pastor IOpresik in order to overcome the Donbass! ??? And Piglet appointed to create Debaltsevsky boiler and Minsk number 2! ?? Kars! In your country, in Europe, mental illnesses are transmitted by airborne droplets from announcers and political scientists through the TV screen!? laughing You yourself have felled YOUR country there since 1991, and it’s your fault ..... Putin, because he collects the fragments of your activity and does not glue it back to Ukraine, and especially does not give it to the Yankees! laughing That's all - put out the light, remembering the posts of your homestead years of yours .... what then are you then there morons ??? wassat Well, it just takes you by surprise! Yes RS Why such a fright is it - "The opposition bloc" suddenly "pro-Russian" wassat ??? Remember Ssynukovich at night looking back. laughing I’ll admit there merged with Gepa Kharkov.
            2. reservist
              reservist 12 February 2016 20: 36
              +8
              Quote: Kars
              He specifically leaked Yanukovych to squeeze the Crimea.

              Decide all the same - "squeeze" or "return"? or is it "help to return"?
              however, there is a difference ...

              seriously think that the insidious Putin had the opportunity to keep Yanukovych in the presidency?

              this is probably why, after the start of the Kiev Maidan, work on the new fleet base in Novorossiysk was sharply accelerated ...
              and that is why the first days at Perekop stood already with almost a dozen Berkutovites ...
            3. APASUS
              APASUS 12 February 2016 20: 38
              +6
              Quote: Kars
              It’s honestly - I always wanted to, even buckwheat, at least 200 hryvnia to get for the election never succeeded.

              Who first got up, that and slippers!
              Quote: Kars
              And so how did Yanukovych become president? When Yulka was the current example of a minister?

              Yes, just like Yushchenko, everyone walked along the same road. Somewhere, by bribery, falsification, and of course, they used the wrath of the people, on which almost every election campaign of the presidents of Ukraine is actually built.
              Quote: Kars
              There are falsifications, and by the way, too.

              I actually do not deny
              Quote: Kars
              And it’s important the video about the crooked horn about the candidate from the Opposition bloc, such as pro-Russian.

              Type Opposition block pro-Russian ?? Do not make me laugh !!
              1. Kars
                Kars 12 February 2016 20: 44
                +1
                Quote: APASUS
                Who first got up, that and slippers!

                this is not an answer. Moreover, I was in all elections with 2010, except for the last presidential
                Quote: APASUS
                Yes, just like Yushchenko, everyone walked along the same road. Somewhere with bribery, falsification and, of course, they used anger

                how did he do this? if Julia had the admin resource?
                Quote: APASUS
                I actually do not deny

                well, at least something
                Quote: APASUS
                Type Opposition block pro-Russian ?? Do not make me laugh !!

                Compared to the rest, of course.
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 12 February 2016 21: 07
                  +9
                  Quote: Kars
                  This is not an answer.

                  Kars, stop it, there are so many people who are sympathetic to Ukraine, it’s like a brother who has drunk. Kh.khlov because no one calls for cutting here, unlike ...
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 12 February 2016 22: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: Vladimirets
                    Kars, stop it, there are so many people who are sympathetic to Ukraine, it's like a brother,

                    According to the sensations, there are much fewer of them, but about calling to cut - if you dig around and you can find them.
                    Quote: MSL
                    Bravo! Order for such a pearl!

                    But where is the pearl? Putin recognized the Turchinov government? and so-called Saudis for their union president, Emen was not let down. But how to overcome the Crimea if they helped Yanukovych defend the constitutional order?
                    1. CARLSON
                      CARLSON 12 February 2016 23: 53
                      +1
                      Quote: Kars
                      Quote: Vladimirets
                      Kars, stop it, there are so many people who are sympathetic to Ukraine, it's like a brother,

                      According to the sensations, there are much fewer of them, but about calling to cut - if you dig around and you can find them.
                      Quote: MSL
                      Bravo! Order for such a pearl!

                      But where is the pearl? Putin recognized the Turchinov government? and so-called Saudis for their union president, Emen was not let down. But how to overcome the Crimea if they helped Yanukovych defend the constitutional order?

                      That is, you admit that it is Independent, this is a country of the type of Yemen, since we had to intervene for Yanyk and then, why did you get that the Saudis had nothing to do with Yemen. There the issue was not in the territories, all the more, are you a Saudi prince to know everything about it?
                    2. Vladimirets
                      Vladimirets 12 February 2016 23: 56
                      +5
                      Quote: Kars
                      and about calling to cut - if you rummage around and such can be found.

                      That's it, if you dig around, you can find, but agree, this is not an ideology. Even in VO especially stubborn never called to wet Ukrainians. Kars, for garlic, is full of patriots, and s and others. But at least in one comment you saw the slogan: urine H. okhlov?
                    3. iliitchitch
                      iliitchitch 13 February 2016 10: 17
                      +3
                      Quote: Kars
                      But how to overcome the Crimea, if they helped Yanukovych defend the constitutional order?


                      What nonsense is that? How about 94 (!)% In the referendum? There is nothing to do with spinning, but if Crimea hadn’t returned home, these Kazzls would have arranged such a massacre that Donbass appeared as a kindergarten.
                    4. reservist
                      reservist 15 February 2016 10: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Kars
                      the Saudis did not let Emen down for their union president. But how to overcome the Crimea, if they helped Yanukovych defend the constitutional order?

                      so Russia is not Saudi Arabia, and Ukraine is not Yemen ... well, in any case, in 2014 it was not Yemen ...
            4. MSL
              MSL 12 February 2016 21: 46
              +5
              Quote: Kars
              He specifically leaked Yanukovych to squeeze the Crimea.

              Bravo! Order for such a pearl!
              And one more for: "In general, deputies in Ukraine are elected at elections."
            5. iliitchitch
              iliitchitch 20 February 2016 23: 03
              0
              Dear Kars, it is dill that is the first to mention the word "squeeze" when communicating. The Russian language has been enriched with a new meaning of this word. It doesn't matter what, maybe it's not necessary for figs, but PRESS, it is necessary in the economy, this is sacred. So, Russia does not need anything from you, parasites, we want to squeeze you out of us, so that you do not suck from us, well, at least xhaz for a start, and so that crowds of your Gaster do not flood our cities, lowering skilled workers to their miserable level ... Dill assert that they are genetically alien to us ... The stump is clear, they have the gene "to squeeze the freebie" instead of the gene of justice, and such brothers are in the dupu.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 12 February 2016 20: 09
          +7
          Quote: Kars
          Deputies are generally elected in Ukraine in the elections.

          So he did not want to be the third in the dialogue, but simply could not stand it after such a statement.
          According to the head of the committee, Brian Mufford, observers in Odessa recorded the presence of ballots for voting, significantly exceeding the number provided by international standards - 102% of the number of voters.
          "In many precincts, the number of ballots exceeded the number of voters by 10 times," said Mufford.

          Elections in Ukraine have long turned into a farce, and if you do not understand it, then it’s very sad
        3. zennon
          zennon 12 February 2016 20: 16
          +8
          Quote: Kars
          Like this would stop Putin from squeezing the Crimea?

          Yes, do not squeeze it, but return it. It’s absolutely illegal for you to give khrushch like a box of chocolates!
          Changing the territory of the republics was not the responsibility of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. According to article 18 of the USSR Constitution of 1954 and articles 16, 19, 22 and 23 of the Constitution of the RSFSR of 1937, the territory of the RSFSR could not be changed without its consent, which could be given by the highest state authority - the Supreme Council of the republic. According to the authorities of the Russian Federation, this circumstance made the decision of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR on the transfer of Crimea illegal.
        4. avt
          avt 12 February 2016 20: 19
          18
          Quote: Kars
          Deputies are generally elected in Ukraine in the elections.

          Well, synukovich you "svobodovtsev" almost stuck through the list of the Party of Regions at the parliament.
          Quote: Kars
          it was a pretty penny, even though it was necessary to expose a normal amount, Russia is a rich country.

          Well, again, the question is for you to trick the fur inside, or rather your leaders you are voting for. There yourself on the Ruin, sort out who got what kind of gesheft for a small fee, in your understanding, from Russia and what specifically.
          Quote: Kars
          Yes, recorded. And for the sake of the return of Crimea, Putin received a hostile state at his side.

          laughing laughing This is from the time of the Kravchukovs and the Kuchma with his "Ukraine is not Russia", up to the annexation of Crimea, were "a friendly state"! ???? Yes, with such friends, enemies are not necessary. Again
          Quote: avt
          all moves are recorded by the Finno-Ugrians "in the Horde"

          Including those from the 44th year, when the US warmed up the Nazi scraps from the UPA banderlog, where SS Hauptsturmführer Shukhevych, “harassed”, was in charge and practiced to chop off the heads of the guilty before the formation, this is our own. person "in this very State Department during the Soviet era, we also remember the new generation of them well, such as Claire / Chumachenko, from the current ones in the first roles, Jaresko / Yaresko, so don't scare them - they are scared, but if times "The perdition of the Russian land", but to the present time you will conduct an excursion - as if you yourself did not have to crap from historical analogies. The Lord punished you on the campaign (not to be confused with the current god of Ukraine-Putin) - you still deprived your mind, well, even if the monument that Lenin - the creator of this Ukraine itself - demolish, but even to Petrovsky, who back in the tsarist Duma fought for Ukraine, and then did "enlightenment" - the Ukrainization of the East, he punished for sure - hl Fuck a full spoon to the bottom. About what many visitors to the site, who have now sunk somewhere, and you, dear Kars, at the beginning of "glorious deeds", EVEN BEFORE THE FIRST BURNED COVER, many warned, and I am a sinner among them. even unsubscribed in the spirit - everything they say will be ha-ra-sho, everything will be harasho - "you're all lying" laughing Well, accept another warning on
          Quote: Kars
          . And for the sake of the return of Crimea, Putin received a hostile state at hand.

          And we do not give a shit, because your state was kept exclusively within the framework of the USSR project, which you have been tearing down there since 1991 and finally destroyed. Right now, the issue of separating normal from ragul is being resolved. Ragulei, not Putin -USA, will roll up in zinc and write - "Surgical waste", and the rest will be grazing pigs for the same US, and in Europe, instead of proud Poles, they will hunch back - knead shit.
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 12 February 2016 21: 52
            +1
            Quote: avt
            and the rest will be for the same US pigs to graze and in Europe instead of proud Poles hunchback - knead shit.

            Oh, you are a serious man! Thank you, neighing, as long as there was enough air, the Lord did not deprive you of speechlessness / m. not without reason awarded sarcasm and irony /, well, anyway: thanks for positive emotions! good
            1. avt
              avt 12 February 2016 23: 03
              +4
              Quote: V.ic
              : thanks for the positive emotions!

              Yes to health.
              Quote: Baikonur
              ! I read this controversy and rye ohrena! this CARS really trolls here from there, from non-stock, and probably for pennies

              No. The trouble is that Kars doesn’t troll! You look at the date of registration on the site - 2011. He is quite a competent person. I remember his comments - I wasn’t seen in Debilism, nor did I go in frank horses. That’s why he himself is quietly bastard what they have going on in Ukraine with people’s brain.
              Quote: avt
              ... what then are you then morons then ???

              request
              1. Dym71
                Dym71 13 February 2016 01: 49
                +5
                Quote: avt
                The trouble is that Kars doesn’t troll! You look at the date of registration on the site - 2011. He is quite a competent person. I remember his comments - I wasn’t seen in Debilism, nor did I go in frank horses.


                I read your comments, had fun, until I got to this comment ... There’s no more hunting to read and your truth, neither add nor diminish! But it’s a pity that everything turns out like that, she’s sorry for God, because Kars is really our man! Maybe they come around over time, do you think? I'm not asking everyone for your opinion, for people like Kars. yes
                1. bubalik
                  bubalik 13 February 2016 02: 20
                  0
                  "Sharik-you dunce" (c)
                2. avt
                  avt 13 February 2016 10: 53
                  +3
                  Quote: Dym71
                  Maybe they come around over time, do you think?

                  request My answer is quite serious. In the late 80s and 90s, I happened to meet a fair number of people who got from Kashpirovsky and Chumak, with his “healing” minute of silence on the radio, to Dianetics and Aum Shinrikyo, different “integral yogas” do not count. So the number of not illiterate at all, but quite educated by the Soviet education system, is just almost 99%! Moreover, in suppression with the highest. request Why am I, but after a rather massive psychosis arranged by Mashka Tsvigun in Kiev, and her assistant was Krivonogov with very specific developments on the effect on the brain, I have a strong conviction - there they specifically practiced the technologies of cerebration on a large mass of people. The apotheosis was the mass sect of the "embassy of God on earth" a Negro that learned to be someone, but refused to go to Africa, and began to breed suckers in Kiev, even the mayor from this sect was chosen by the Kians and he cut through Kiev on a Rolls Royce! Maidan, even before the signing of the eurointegration here on the site I wrote addressing those present from Ukraine - Guys! You have Kiev populated with a huge number of people with a damaged psyche! You really won't have enough specialized doctors for all the specialized doctors! They were offended, and then Maidan, where they still have a mess and added chemistry. request
                  Quote: Dym71
                  I ask your opinion, for such as Kars.
                  I will answer this way, from my own experience in communicating with sectarians, I know that in order to keep brains in balance, you need to be able to, apart from the will and knowledge, be able to simply switch and relax when you leave the topic. Well, it’s not in vain that ALL sects try to wrest the adherent from the familiar environment and isolate him from the old circle of communication, especially if he does not have at least one adherent. Now estimate - you are poured the same thing without a break in your ears, and even really crushed by fear of repressions not comic, but a very real threat to health and life if you SHOULD BE SUSPECTED of disloyalty. Yes, no normal balance will remain! So I'm convinced One thing is that you can’t always keep people under such pressure, it’s the same as with alcohol and drugs — breaking everything will be tough.
        5. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 12 February 2016 20: 33
          14
          Ahh ... All about Crimea? I always wanted to ask, why do you need it? Well, besides the fact that it is possible to milk a lease from Russia, now apparently they planned with NATO ... Why? Donbass is not enough for you? Cries about territorial integrity ... And why do you need Donbass?
          Or do you really think everything there is that it is only getting rent, that everything is done by itself ..?
          Did any of you think what will happen if you get Crimea and Donbass back? You were saved by foolish ones, though you’re shitty, but you still live somehow in the remaining territories. If it weren’t for Putin, corpses would have blazed everywhere now, you would have counted not tens of thousands, but would have exchanged a third hundred.
          They squeezed them out ... There are no sales to arrange, it is not necessary either in the army or in politics, and no one will squeeze anything out.
          You guys are hugged to the end, here is the result, and even now you don’t want to do anything, you all wait until the uncle comes from the west and decides everything.
          The result, by the way, is again known. Known to everyone except the Ukrainians!
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 12 February 2016 22: 00
            +2
            Yes, it's just some kind of holiday! I read this controversy and rye ohrena! this KARS really trolls from there, from non-stocking, and probably for pennies (Bablishko in nashensky)! And you beat upsta head off! No, I do not mind, even cool, but ...
            I personally wouldn’t have enough nerves! hi

            PS: If you have not seen, look:
            http://mpsh.ru/242-ssha-vydelili-dengi-na-sverzhenie-putina.html
        6. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 12 February 2016 21: 00
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          Which countries get richer when war?

          What the hell war, Kars, what are you talking about?
          Quote: Kars
          Imagine the trade between the USSR and Germany in 1943, I wonder why they did not turn off for so long.

          Damn, Kars, I have always respected you for your sensible comments to the jingoistic patriots, and in the "armor" there is a little bit of you on VO, who can sensibly substantiate their position. But I did not expect a comparison with the Germans from you at all, poddy, so to speak, offensive.
          Quote: Kars
          Like this would stop Putin from squeezing the Crimea?

          If your leadership of the enemies in the underbelly didn’t call us? Undoubtedly.
        7. Algol
          Algol 12 February 2016 22: 50
          +8
          "Dear" Sra-Kars. Let me remind you .... After the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazis, Soviet money was poured into my Ukraine ... IMMEDIATELY. Because, according to the Westerners, it would take at least 15-20 years to restore the entire infrastructure of the republic, and especially the INDUSTRY (ports, factories, metallurgical plants, Dneproges, etc.). Recovered in 5-6. This is a FEAT. The whole country broke into this, however, as well as in any other region where the war took place. Whereas, no one thought who was khakhol, and who was Turkmen or maskal. Everyone plowed. YES, and they were malnourished, too. All of you are in a hurry to go to the geyrope, and you asked them if they were waiting for you there, why will your migrant workers make their way to Muscovy ???? Someday you will finally understand that your "Motorsichi", ZAZ, ANTEI, wheat, milk, sunflower seeds are not needed there .... You generally nahu .. nobody needs it there. Slaves ---- YES, YES, YES, YES !!!!!! We need your black soil, coal, just a territory for a military base. you are to blame. And who was stopping you, since you are so smart ??? We lived on our own for so long ... What in the end? SOLD .... EVERYTHING IS SOLD. And what did not have time, SPERLI. Now, like those Balts, choke on your "kilkoshprots", i.e. seeds. I'm not gloating ...... I just feel sorry for you.
          1. Kars
            Kars 12 February 2016 23: 20
            +1
            Quote: AlGol
            ..After the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazis, Soviet money was blown into my Ukraine ...

            Ukraine also earned money. So do not reproach with Soviet money)) found what to invent.
            Quote: AlGol
            You are all in a hurry in the geyropu, and you asked them if they were waiting for you there, so would your guest workers in Muscovy make it to get in ????

            I didn’t rush to Europe, as I did to Moscow to work, so it’s not for me.
            Quote: AlGol
            --YES YES YES YES!!!!!! Need your black soil, coal, just the territory for a military base. to blame for wa

            even this is not necessary.
            Quote: AlGol
            So much time they lived on their own ... What is the result?

            yes, in principle, the same thing as yours, you simply have more of the Soviet legacy - the entire USSR was hunchbacked on the development of Siberia, built a magnet, explored oil in Tyumen, and mined diamonds in Yakutia.
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 12 February 2016 23: 57
              +2
              Quote: Kars
              I didn’t rush to Europe, as I did to Moscow to work, so it’s not for me.

              And in Odessa, to the House of Trade Unions to bring flammable liquids? To "unfasten" the Terbats in the ATO? Don't you ride in your hut? Does the "square" still feed "mo-ka-liv"?
            2. CARLSON
              CARLSON 13 February 2016 00: 13
              +3
              Yes, in principle, the same thing as you, you just have more Soviet legacy - the whole USSR was hunchbacked on the development of Siberia, built a magnet, explored oil in Tyumen, and mined diamonds in Yakutia. [/ quote

              Especially you were hunched over there. According to your words, whoever built, scouted and mined there and now they live there, how they stuck to this land and stayed there, no matter where they were born. And your latent idea that the riches of Siberia are related to the Independent is truly congenial, especially in relation to its Zhodino region.
            3. Kazbek
              Kazbek 13 February 2016 09: 10
              0
              Quote: Kars
              Kars sorry for interfering. I would like to ask: "What is there for xoxlov?" in the sense, what do you think about Saakashvili as prime minister? Here Demura sang straight about him ..
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        9. Stanislas
          Stanislas 12 February 2016 23: 43
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          And for the sake of the return of Crimea, Putin received a hostile state at hand.
          Yeah! And before that it was so friendly that Crimea had already fled from you to Russia, so that you could be as good friends with him as you were with Russia.
          1. Kars
            Kars 12 February 2016 23: 46
            +1
            Quote: Stanislav
            Yeah! And before that it was so friendly that Crimea had already fled from you to Russia,

            it is unlikely that he would have escaped without the green men and without the directive you yourself know from whom.
            1. Kunar
              Kunar 13 February 2016 18: 57
              +1
              But this is not your mind, Comrade Major)))) !!! laughing drinks bully
            2. reservist
              reservist 15 February 2016 10: 32
              0
              Quote: Kars

              it is unlikely that he would have escaped without the green men and without the directive you yourself know from whom.

              and then let’s remember how sideways the city of allied submission Sevastopol turned out to be part of the Independent, then snatched up not weak part of the allied army ...
    7. opus
      opus 12 February 2016 20: 20
      19
      Quote: Kars
      I do not remember any Ukrainianization

      People’s Deputy of Ukraine Leonid Grach on October 17, 2010 said that Yanukovych had deceived the people and continued the policy of ex-President Yushchenko: “Not me, but you, Viktor Fedorovich, before the election promised the Russian language the status of the state language. Not me, but you promised entry into the Customs Union and the Common Economic Space with Russia. Not me, but you promised an increase in pensions and salaries, and much more, including promising to protect the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and its constitutional powers. Now what are you saying? You forgot about the Russian language, announced that there will be one Ukrainian ... "
      the adopted law on regional languages ​​is all the cynicism of Yanukovych’s power (it was absolutely impossible to put into practice, and he was also a catalyst for Russophobic hysteria)

      The texts of official announcements, messages are executed in the state language. Within the territory in which, according to the conditions of the third part of Article 8 of this Law, the regional language (s) is spoken, by decision of the local council, such texts may be distributed in translation into this regional or Russian language (s)

      Yanukovych is a resident of Ukraine (2010-2014), Prime Minister of Ukraine from 2006 to 2007:
      Check your current ushlopkov, that in power, what did they do under Yanukovych?

      About gas:
      you have on 3,50r at I, and we have LONG time on 5-6 p. was
      That's it.
      oh yes.
      AGGRESSOR COUNTRY (or rather its state bank)

      Sberbank of Russia in July 2011 provided $ 376 million of loan funds to the State Highway Service of Ukraine ("Ukravtodor") and in September - a loan of $ 260 million "Design Bureau" South " them. Yangelya " (NOT YANUKOVICH, NOT his son)....
      Natalia Yaresko 11.02.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX:
      “We were able to agree with this lender on the following conditions: amount of debt - $ 367,4 million, 25% - write-off of the face value of the debt, i.e. $ 91,8 million, maturity - until September 1, 2019 and registration of a new debt bonds of an external state loan and the corresponding issue of state derivatives ”

      Yaresko also said that the specified debt was attracted in 2011 by state enterprises Ukravtodor and CB YuzhnoyeIt was guaranteed by the state and was repaid from the state budget from the very beginning.



      Quote: Observer 33
      Both issues are resolved.

      Remained (long neighing, sent yesterday)
      1. Kars
        Kars 12 February 2016 20: 29
        +1
        Quote: opus
        I, and you, Viktor Fedorovich, before the election promised the Russian language the status of the state language. Not me, but you promised entry into the Customs Union and the Common Economic Space with Russia.

        The Russian language did. I completely complied with the law on regional languages. There was a bid regarding the customs union. And under the 2013 agreement between Putin and Yanukovych everything turned out just fine. But only the Maidan is already far gone.
        Quote: opus
        About gas:
        you have on 3,50r at I, and we have LONG time on 5-6 p. was
        That's it.

        So this state compensated for the difference, and covered the deficit of naphthaase.
        Quote: avt
        Well, synukovich to you "svobodovtsev" almost through the list of the party of regions at the parliament stuck

        It is strange that they then gave him so many problems when adopting the Kharkov agreements and the law on languages.
        And how is it through the list, if they went in different parties? And freedom got their votes mainly in the West?
        Quote: avt
        On the Ruin yourself, figure out who got what kind of gesheft for a small fee, in your understanding, from Russia and what specifically

        What can I say, you would also know how the wealth of the Russian Federation in the pockets of the Abramovich and so on migrated.
        Quote: avt
        Including those from the 44 year, when the US weighed Nazi scraps from the UPA banderlogs

        There were no Russians in the ROA, and Vlasov was probably also cold?
        Quote: avt
        And we don’t give a shit, because your state was kept exclusively within the framework of the USSR project,

        Well, this is where you have to start. You don't give a shit, then what else do you want?
        1. reservist
          reservist 12 February 2016 20: 54
          20
          Quote: Kars
          There were no Russians in the ROA, and Vlasov was probably also cold?

          and ROA veterans in Russia walk in columns in the streets? and they also get paid veterans?

          is the costume performance in the photo below?
          1. Algol
            Algol 12 February 2016 22: 59
            +3
            These fashioned bitches, each, by name to the wall
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          3. Kars
            Kars 12 February 2016 23: 20
            +1
            Quote: reservist
            and ROA veterans in Russia walk in columns in the streets? and they also get paid veterans?

            but it doesn’t matter, the main thing was.
            1. Kunar
              Kunar 13 February 2016 19: 05
              +1
              The main thing is how they relate to them ....
            2. reservist
              reservist 15 February 2016 10: 43
              0
              Quote: Kars
              but it doesn’t matter, the main thing was.

              those. according to your logic, it doesn’t matter what how to evaluate the acts of Vlasov and Bandera?
              Do you want to see their followers marching along our streets?

              so I want to ask then - why then on your avatar a red flag with a sickle and a hammer?
          4. tolian
            tolian 12 February 2016 23: 31
            +1
            And in the Baltic states and the SS go. What you can’t freeze out of hatred.
          5. Kunar
            Kunar 13 February 2016 19: 04
            +3
            Karsu. The difference is that the Vlasovites are considered traitors and they will never be heroes. As scum they were, they will remain. And among the Ukrainians, "Bandera-ok" -heroi! Sala him in anal ...
          6. polkovnik manuch
            polkovnik manuch 15 February 2016 10: 23
            0
            How much more of this shit did not die, Lavrenty Pavlovich worked poorly for us Outskirts!
        2. zennon
          zennon 12 February 2016 20: 57
          16
          Quote: Kars
          There were no Russians in the ROA, and Vlasov was probably also cold?

          They were. Most were. But nobody considers Vlasov as a "fighter for the national idea." , ribs, millers as icons. This is the fundamental difference.
        3. avt
          avt 12 February 2016 21: 09
          +9
          Quote: Kars
          What can I say, you would also know how the wealth of the Russian Federation in the pockets of the Abramovich and so on migrated.

          "Don't confuse your coat with the state one" laughing Kars is not a kovtun or an adherent of it? Well you there are square on the whole head since 1991, what do you care about the "Horde" in tse Europe? Or are you looking for a place in the "Horde"?
          Quote: Kars
          There were no Russians in the ROA, and Vlasov was probably also cold?

          Little by little Kovtunsky cheating? Well, Vlasov was hanged with accomplices and President Putin, unlike your chosen one, either you or USA, but it’s too old to think God of Ukraine as GDP wassat , so he didn’t establish monuments to the scum of Vlasov and his accomplices, and didn’t install the STATE memorial dates in their honor again, even the entire shobla with Vlasov at the head, in spite of all the efforts of the liberoids Boris Chubais and Gavrila Popov, NOT REHABILIZED - NOBODY DURING THE STALINS, THE PERFORMED NON-OT-ME-NYAL, moreover, under Yeltsin it did not roll. So my friend - blew with this example loudly and fetidly into a puddle.
          Quote: Kars
          Well, this is where you have to start. You don't give a shit, then what else do you want?

          From you ? Never mind . What's the use NOW to talk with politicians and the leadership of what is called Ukraine, if EVERYTHING from the prime minister to the prezik is appointed and controlled by an external manager, even ministers are appointed from outside. And at the same GDP, in general, there is a direct wire with those who form your entire governing shobla and participate directly in the process of hiding in the former Ukrainian SSR, even the flag was hung on the SBU in Kiev. Now, if suddenly, well, like "never say never", there will be an analogue of Khmel, followed by something more or less willing to change their Ragul share, well, following the example of people who got up in Donbass and Lugansk and decided that they would not live like this, Again, they will prove their worth by deeds - if they gather something for themselves even in the historical "hetman", then they will be noticed and those in power in Russia will talk to them. And this is how the issues are solved not with slaves, but with their masters. I do not like ? Well, the free will - the saved - paradise. And we will not abandon the people in the LPNR who are ruling our own destiny.
        4. opus
          opus 12 February 2016 21: 11
          0
          Quote: Kars
          So this state compensated for the difference, and covered the deficit of naphthaase

          Zaporozhye, have you ever wondered what the "blanket" is?
          Due to the theft of the Russian (not here, too, we’ve applied a hairy one, the stump is clear)
          You just don’t think: now gas is 50% cheaper in my opinion than it was, "the reverse of their Europe's gas" (rzhunemogunadetim).
          But?
          Compensates? or?
          --------------------------------------


          ZY. it is foolish and mean to put minuses to the person for what he says that he thinks, but does not carry nonsense

          ZY2-I can (he should not), and even NEED yes
        5. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 12 February 2016 21: 12
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          There were no Russians in the ROA, and Vlasov was probably also cold?

          Russian, Kars, Russian, so far this surname is a common name for traitors, although many namesakes washed it with their glorious deeds.
      2. Stanislas
        Stanislas 13 February 2016 00: 27
        0
        Quote: opus
        AGGRESSOR COUNTRY (or rather its state bank)
        The joke is ridiculous, but the SB is not like a state bank.
        1. opus
          opus 15 February 2016 16: 57
          0
          Quote: Stanislav
          but SB is not like a state bank.

          It is controlled by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. The share of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation in the authorized capital of Sberbank is 50% plus one voting share, in voting shares - 02,32%


          authorized capital and property of the Central Bank in federal ownership.
          including and shares of Sberbank.

          by type of activity - commercial. by ownership - state.

    8. Asadullah
      Asadullah 12 February 2016 21: 38
      +3
      I don’t remember any Ukrainianization. But at Yanyka I remember the law on regional languages ​​and Kharkiv agreements. And in return I received gas via 450 with an incomprehensible discount and cheap penny rent of Sevastopol.


      Well, and who needed the language? For the Ukrainians themselves, so as not to introduce tension in society. Sevastopol's rent was not tied to price at all, but only to time, for as long as possible. And the price paid was the one indicated by Yanukovych. There was no bargain, with the exception of objects outside Sevastopol. The price of gas was never tied to any political concessions at all, only on the issue of privatization of pipes by Gazprom, in this case Ukraine was guaranteed gas at the price of the domestic market of Russia, plus income from transportation, plus income from renting land for pipelines. The question is that the interests of Ukraine did not interest anyone, the personal interests of your oligarchs were interests in all negotiations. And in general, they got off easily, say thanks to Chernomyrdin, if there were instead him like Asadulla, who had suffered in the nineties at one time, for his similar considerations, then Novorossia would have arisen in every regional center of Ukraine, exactly in the wake of the Maidan. And the carcasses of today's rulers and interested parties would have already left the stage of the wax, having exposed the bones.
    9. Sergey Medvedev
      Sergey Medvedev 12 February 2016 22: 45
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      and in response received gas at 450 with an incomprehensible discount and a cheap lease of Sevastopol.


      Have you heard who paid for the gas stolen by Tymoshenko and other "gas princesses and princes"?
      According to one version, you paid when Prime Minister Tymoshenko signed this contract so that Gazprom would not apply to international courts.
    10. Kars
      Kars 13 February 2016 11: 49
      +1
      Quote: Kars
        -74 qualifying.  

      Kars Yesterday, 18: 38 ↑


      Cool reaction to the truth.
      Moreover, no one wrote how Yanukovych and Kuchma contributed to the nationalist movement. They did not cite examples of forced Ukrainianization, and so on.
      Well, okay. Nowadays, few people want to think about it, and in your country propaganda works no worse than ours.
      1. lel
        lel 13 February 2016 14: 21
        +5
        how did you contribute ??? you have to be blind and not see ... both tried to sit on 2 chairs .... they asked everyone for money (by the way, that's why in ukraine it's not a shame to be a beggar here everyone is "asking" -method, teachers, doctors, homeless people and presidents -not zapadlo) ... they tried to flirt with everyone and with the west and east, the banderization of the country was not condemned and the fight against it was not waged ... they always painfully perceived accusations of belonging to the Kremlin, and therefore fawned upon Galicia ... but still the main thing they turned a blind eye to the education of nationalism-remember the famous video with tyagnibok where he calls to beat the Jews and her? ... maybe he was imprisoned for inciting ethnic hatred? ... there were all the signs ... they were not condemned ... here you are contributed ...
      2. Kunar
        Kunar 13 February 2016 19: 22
        +1
        You’re a good tanker. Tanks are fist, not scatter ..... And the rest is details ...
      3. reservist
        reservist 15 February 2016 10: 49
        0
        Quote: Kars
        how did Yanukovych and Kuchma contribute to the nationalist movement.

        Criminal inaction - this is a volitional passive behavior of a person, which consists in the fact that a person does not perform or improperly fulfills an obligation assigned to him, as a result of which the objects of protection of criminal law are harmed or the threat of causing such harm is created.

        What did Yanukovych and Kuchma do so that the ukronatsiks could not rise to their current state?
    11. Michael_59
      Michael_59 13 February 2016 20: 19
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      I do not remember any Ukrainianization


      Selective memory is very convenient.
      1. Kars
        Kars 13 February 2016 20: 24
        +1
        Quote: Michael_59
        Selective memory is very convenient.

        You from the Russian Federation naturally know better. But you can not be shy and prove your position by facts.
        Do not forget to talk about Russian nationalists and neo-fascists.
        1. reservist
          reservist 15 February 2016 10: 52
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          Do not forget to talk about Russian nationalists and neo-fascists.

          I tell you - I’m not observing gatherings of nationalists and fascists near the Duma.
          I think you can find the video with this audience near Rada ...
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 12 February 2016 18: 45
    23
    Conclusions Russia made. It is no accident that the Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, Patrushev announced:
    - Ukrainization is not the path to national identity, but Nazism;
    -Ukrainization is hostile and enough to liberalize with it;
    - when trying to solve the problem of Donbass by military means, Russia will take final military measures.
    Just like that, Patrushev would not have declared ...
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 12 February 2016 18: 51
      27
      For the slogan "Glory to Ukraine" soon in Ukraine will beat the face

      And preferably Poroshenko and his retinue:
      1. Decembrist
        Decembrist 12 February 2016 19: 27
        +3
        and from hate.
        1. akims
          akims 12 February 2016 20: 36
          16
          Just ran into a patrol: One policeman and two jerks from the beginning. Who will go against Shayzayts interestingly and with what? Hate will not work! Tariffs increased 10 times and immediately on you, patrol Azov, and whoever is dissatisfied here, go syudy!
          1. Algol
            Algol 12 February 2016 23: 10
            0
            NOT SURPRISING! Soon everyone will want to eat! I’m sorry .... Maybe something can be found somewhere ???
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          3. German Titov
            German Titov 13 February 2016 08: 20
            +1
            In vain you are so about the "Azov". They are always "welcome" in Donetsk. Little things, but nice - "The military tribunal of the DPR sentenced a former fighter of the Azov unit to 30 years l / s." Under the sanction of the article, the pancreas could be "rolled in".
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 12 February 2016 18: 47
    17
    As proof of what the author has written, there are comments about "Lenin's stupid will." And try to remember, how often you can hear something like this two or three years ago? Moreover, it could not be heard on Russian TV. And now everyone knows what the "Ukraine project" is and knows that there is such a land of New Russia, Little Russia and Chervona Rus.

    And also, try to imagine the reaction of the mothers of the "heavenly hundred" when they find out who sent their children to the next world? What will they tell the state of Ukraine? Thanks for the "medal", for the crafty speeches once a year?

    It is not surprising that Ukraine actually lives behind the Iron Curtain. Open it and fall. At the same time, the authorities are disgusted by absolutely everyone: from Natsik to Russian. So it goes...
    1. 34 region
      34 region 12 February 2016 20: 16
      +1
      Denis Obukhov! 18.47. A good definition is the iron curtain! But indeed, they created a reservation and grind the population. The Indians have long grind their own, now they have taken up the rest. And the recipe is everywhere one-bribe manual. People open their eyes-circle. And after all, everything is polled for this recipe. Probably many on the outskirts already realized in what heap they are sitting. But there are few real violent people; they have no leaders. For some reason, leaders appear from a good payment (like Poroshenko). And where are their ideological? Where do you want to connect with Russia? Yes, and Russia today is also not a role model. There are enough problems and in my opinion they are not particularly solved (in the interests of the people of the country). Let's say tomorrow the whole outskirts wants to Russia. And what can Russia give her?
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 February 2016 18: 52
    19
    Quote: Putin
    No, this is in the acute phase for another 5-7 years, in the severe, chronic for 20 years, subject to the liquidation of Dill as a state. The re-education of a whole generation of Unterman should preferably take place as part of Great Russia

    Well no. The steam locomotive has already driven so far that we see only the rear tips. Who do you want to reeducate when you cross the blood? Or a mother who lost her son in the ATO? For 20 years since infancy they have been whispering in ears about ma..kaley, what to do with them, and this will not be enough.
    And here we are, the curtain.
    My dear, very smart people sit in hundreds of institutes and lards are spent for their maintenance and not in vain. You understand this. And your 20 years of re-educating the people, you will seem delirium.
    Sovvlast had apparatus and forces, and Bendera remained 50 years later.
    Family, here is the cell of society.
    Distracted. Here in the West they are hammering it.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 12 February 2016 19: 07
      +9
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Sovvlast had apparatus and forces, and Bendera remained 50 years later.

      Thanks to Khrushchev, who, having come to power, completely banned any work of the KGB in this area, although there was nothing left.
  • Sura
    Sura 12 February 2016 18: 53
    +5
    No, this is in the acute phase for another 5-7 years, in the severe, chronic for 20 years, subject to the liquidation of Dill as a state. The re-education of a whole generation of Unterman should preferably take place as part of Great Russia

    I think faster, there are such catalysts as hunger and cold, but there are still 40 million of them.
    1. akims
      akims 12 February 2016 20: 38
      0
      Quote: Sura
      but they are still 40 million.

      Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
  • sever.56
    sever.56 12 February 2016 18: 56
    16
    Quote: Putin
    The re-education of a whole generation of Unterman should preferably take place as part of Great Russia


    Aw ... !!! What's wrong with you? Are you a Nazi or a fascist ???
    The concept of "untermensch" in Nazi, Hitlerite Germany meant - "a being of a lower order" ... You understand, - not even a "man", but a "being of a lower order" ... !!! They drove our relatives to the camps and, then, into the furnaces of countless Maidaneks, Buchenwalds and Sachsenhausen with a sense of the superiority of their white, "Aryan" race. You consider yourself "Aryan" ???
    There was already GrossDutchland, we know how it ended. Now Pedro, with his comrades, pretends that he is building the Great Ukraine. The result will be the same as that of Adik the Demoniac.
    But Russia was, is and will be Great only without such characters as you, and we will re-educate, we will help to open our eyes also without people like you.
    PS The upbringing and the rules of the site do not allow me frankly, in those phrases that are forbidden in VO, to sincerely say what I think about you ...
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 12 February 2016 19: 53
      +4
      Sever. 56. You seem to have forgotten how emotions forgot how the process of returning to reality (re-education) of the fascists took place, what kind of blood it was given. In Ukraine, Nazism is fostered to its full height and re-educated by the same suffering that it brought to the world, to people. But the Soviet Union has the experience of re-educating Bendera - unfortunately negative, an adult can either be broken or convinced if he has brains. After brainwashing with modern technology, they are tuned to rejection and naked denial of obvious facts. Without blood, only the army of psychologists can rectify the situation, and then not immediately. But does Russia have this time ?, when the American amazingly exceptional declared war. I do not in any way justify the concept of non-management, but a zombified person, as it were, does not quite meet the criteria of a person. Something like this.
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 12 February 2016 20: 38
        +2
        Quote: St. Propulsion
        Without blood, only the army of psychologists can rectify the situation, and then not immediately.

        Do you propose to flood Ukraine with them and our blood? Are you ready to go yourself and shed your blood, or send your children or grandchildren to do this? Who will benefit from this, they thought ???

        Quote: St. Propulsion
        Does Russia have at that time?

        Russia has time for everything, including making the right decisions. Syria is an example of this, and our actions in it, from which the whole West has gone mad, not expecting Russia to have such political will and military power!

        Quote: St. Propulsion
        I do not in any way justify the concept of non-management, but even a man zombified does not quite meet the criteria of a person

        Irons ... !!! It turns out that I am a zombie person ... !!! Sumptuously!!! How do your words remind me of what is pouring from the "liberoid" media, such as "Echo of Moscow", "Rain", "Novaya Gazeta". and others, diligently, for decades convincing us that we are zombies. Enough already, I am a person who can receive information from different sources, who can draw conclusions and express my opinion.
        If you are used to counting all the people who root for my Homeland-Russia as zombies, then you are not much different from any Kasyanov, Yashin, Kasparov, Albats and bull ... Eat whatever you like and do not try to judge people from their tubercle.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 12 February 2016 22: 11
          +1
          Quote: sever.56
          Eat what you like and do not try to judge people from your tubercle.

          I agree, even if it’s not a tubercle or a bump, but a point of view!
    2. Putinets
      Putinets 12 February 2016 20: 19
      +7
      The concept of "untermensch" in Nazi, Hitlerite Germany meant - "a being of a lower order" ... You understand - not even a "person", but a "being of a lower order" ... !!!

      Excuse me, but what is the name of a creature that burned people in my Odessa and rejoiced? Not animals, do not offend animals. How? Amoeba? These are not people. Oh, by the way, where are they driving people to a sanatorium or the Cote d'Azur now?
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 12 February 2016 20: 52
        +7
        Quote: Putin
        Excuse me, but what is the name of a creature that burned people in my Odessa and rejoiced?

        Do not distort and do not speculate - there is such a concept - "u.blyudok" - these are Bandera nationalists. "Untermenshi" is a concept that does not even apply to Bandera, they are alien beings. No need to offend the normal people of this territory - Ukraine! Many of them, in the midst of the most severe terror, simply cannot do anything. Especially old people, women and children. I myself would tear these ghouls with my teeth if I had the opportunity. In the same Odessa, the most beautiful RUSSIAN city, people are doing their job, in spite of the wildest terror brought there by frostbitten jerks - "zapadentsy". Low bow to them for courage.
        1. Russiamoy
          Russiamoy 12 February 2016 23: 00
          +1
          That's right, and I'm trying to convey this that you can’t insult the nation as a whole and civilians can’t do anything with the Nazi policy, not hooligan gangs, but we approve of politics with the government of Ukraine
        2. tolian
          tolian 12 February 2016 23: 24
          -1
          Sever, I read it .... in spite of the wildest terror brought there by frostbitten jerks - "zapadentsev". Low bow to them for courage .......
          Stay tuned.
          1. sever.56
            sever.56 13 February 2016 00: 02
            0
            Quote: tolian
            read .... in spite of the wildest terror brought there frostbitten jerks, "zapadentsev". Low bow to them for courage .......

            Are you not ashamed to pull the phrase out of context, thereby completely distorting what I wrote ??? stop negative

            Quote: sever.56
            In the same Odessa, the most beautiful RUSSIAN city, PEOPLE DO THEIR WORK, in spite of the wildest terror brought there by frostbitten "zapadentsev" jerks. Low bow to them for courage.

            Phew, how low ... negative stop
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 12 February 2016 22: 17
        +1
        Quote: Putin
        Not animals, do not offend animals. How? Amoeba? These are not people.

        You are currently working in the Russian language environment, try to use not Germanic, but Russian terms ... The Russian language is rich in nuances of the meaning of the phrase, there is no need to borrow the imported one when there is one (oh, damn it, I'm talking about import substitution!).
    3. 34 region
      34 region 12 February 2016 20: 24
      -4
      North 56! 18.56. I have a question about Great Russia. And in what boundaries should it be? Within the Kremlin, Moscow Ring Road, Moscow Region, the border of the 45th year, the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia ??? If we consider ourselves Great, is that not arrogance? And what should be greatness? What should be the image of a normal Russian?
      1. reservist
        reservist 12 February 2016 21: 01
        +7
        Quote: Region 34
        What boundaries should it be?

        in the borders where people who consider themselves Russian live
        and the greatness of a country is not only determined by its size ...
        1. 34 region
          34 region 12 February 2016 21: 40
          -1
          Reservist! 21.01. Good movie! Russians live in North and South America, and in Australia, and in Europe. Are these territories also part of Russia? There are great countries like Holland. Happiness is not in size. But still interesting. Where should the territory of Russia be? hi
          1. reservist
            reservist 15 February 2016 10: 59
            0
            Quote: Region 34
            Russians live in North and South America, and in Australia, and in Europe.

            there are not many of them in relation to the local population
            and their children will already feel more Canadians, Americans, Australians, Germans etc. than Russian ...
            Where should the territory of Russia be?

            and then you’ve watched the video to the end?
            the answer is voiced at the end of the video ...
      2. sever.56
        sever.56 12 February 2016 21: 27
        +5
        Quote: Region 34
        I have a question about Great Russia. And in what boundaries should it be?

        Dear, the question is not at the address.
        First of all, I answered the person that "Russia can be great without characters like him."

        Quote: Region 34
        Within the Kremlin, Moscow Ring Road, Moscow Region, the border of the 45th year, the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia ??

        And that's up to you. But, as you think narrowly. I am closer to the verse that Danila Bagrov read to the bandyuga in the film "Brother-2". Sorry for you.

        Quote: Region 34
        If we consider ourselves Great, is that not arrogance?

        If you do not consider yourself a citizen and patriot of Russia, then this is your problem. Be closer to the "non-Polzhivtsy" and "handshakeers" from the crowd of Kasyanovs, Kasparovs, Gudkovs, etc., etc.


        Quote: Region 34
        And what should be greatness?

        You are so strange ... Any self-respecting people is great in its culture, history, science, memory, faith, as A.S. Pushkin said: - "... love for paternal coffins" ...


        Quote: Region 34
        What should be the image of a normal Russian?

        And I don't really like this concept since I heard: - "Dear Russians" from the lips of the ever-memorable EBN.
        What to be a CITIZEN OF RUSSIA - it is up to him to decide. As one of the greats said: - "Russian is a state of mind." People of other nationalities, whose names went down in the history of Russia, considered it an honor to call themselves Russian.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 12 February 2016 23: 06
          +5
          Quote: sever.56
          What to be a CITIZEN OF RUSSIA - it is up to him to decide. As one of the greats said: - "Russian is a state of mind." People of other nationalities, whose names went down in the history of Russia, considered it an honor to call themselves Russian.
          Once I saw a video of a Yakut who said: "I am a Yakut, and at the same time I am a Russian Yakut! And I am proud of it! I know my language and Russian equally! And my children are the same, and my grandchildren! And they think the same!"
          Something like that!
          1. Kunar
            Kunar 13 February 2016 20: 21
            +1
            Russian, this is not nationality. This is a state of mind .....
      3. V.ic
        V.ic 12 February 2016 22: 20
        +2
        Quote: Region 34
        What should be the image of a normal Russian?

        Don't leave your own! Then m. from "Russians" WE WILL BECOME RUSSIAN, not by passport, but by business!
      4. Camel
        Camel 12 February 2016 22: 31
        +5
        North 56! 18.56. I have a question about Great Russia. And in what boundaries should it be?

        The question is not for me, but I have something to say.
        If we begin to compare peoples, it is logical to start by comparing individuals representing these peoples, then we can continue to compare groups of individuals of these peoples (ethnic groups), and in the higher desire to compare peoples - we will compare the idea that moves them and makes them come true.
        Point by point:
        1) (Individual) - Ukrainian is indistinguishable from Russian. From the word AT ALL.
        2) (Ethnos) - The Ukrainian ethnos is quite distinctive, but all this originality is kind of "native", "curly" ... the saying "When the khol was born, a Jew cried" does not leave memory, although it is true, men very economic. It must be said that it was precisely this homeliness of the Ukrainian peasants that was set as an example for the "ethnically Russian" peasants by their wives, which offended the latter a lot.
        3) (People, Country) - And here the dog fumbled! Despite the fact that by the time of the "civilized divorce" of the USSR, Ukraine was left with the richest resources, a powerful agricultural industry, an army, production facilities, rocket-building enterprises ... the truth is the second France (and maybe the first), this state managed to ask for everything ... for 30 years. Moreover, over the same 30 years they have managed to quarrel DEADLY with the country that presented them with most of the territories and independence! And even more than that, not only to quarrel, but also to set members of the same family against each other (from Kiev and Voronezh, for example, etc.). They managed to unleash a civil war, to lose part of the donated territories (Crimea), as a result of this - the loss of rent for the naval base, to pass contracts for gas transit ... There are many things that Ukraine can be opposed to.

        I think that looking at the races on the Maidan and their consequences, the Russians may well feel Great and this is not arrogance, this is an understanding of their own truth.

        PS About the "image of a normal Russian": A normal Russian does NOT ride on the Maidan to make life better - he plows like a horse, a normal Russian does not understand how "European integration" will help - ate ate with the WTO, a normal Russian does NOT throw Molotov cocktails at the riot police - norms. Ross. catches such "throwers" and teaches them life by folk methods!
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 12 February 2016 23: 19
          +2
          Quote: Camel
          although it is true, the men are very economic. It must be said that it was precisely this homeliness of the Ukrainian men that their wives set as an example for "ethnically Russian" men, which offended the latter a lot.

          I don’t agree with that!
          Russian peasants household no less, and even more!
          And these cover up this concept! Their formula
          Greed, stinginess + steal, snatch => Thrift (like everything - in the house) => Order => "decency". How!
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 February 2016 19: 03
    +3
    Quote: Putin
    No, this is in the acute phase for another 5-7 years, in the severe, chronic for 20 years, subject to the liquidation of Dill as a state. The re-education of a whole generation of Unterman should preferably take place as part of Great Russia

    Twenty, thirty years .. you do not understand simple things. A whole nation has a program on its exclusivity. There are already heroes, exploits, history, lost territories. An image of the enemy was formed, absorbed with the mother’s milk.
    Teacher, drink some kvask.
    1. tolian
      tolian 12 February 2016 23: 15
      0
      But what about the Chechens? And how many years have passed?
  • RUSS
    RUSS 12 February 2016 21: 06
    0
    I won’t be surprised that in a few years the Ukrainians themselves will beat the face for the slogan “Glory to Ukraine”. This “glory" was very expensive for the Ukrainians.
    Ukrainians will be just as ashamed of their nationalism and all these "glory" and "yakunagilyaku", as the Germans after the 2nd World War.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 12 February 2016 22: 22
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      Ukrainians will be just as ashamed of their nationalism and all these "glory" and "yakunagilyaku", as the Germans after the 2nd World War.

      Oh? ................? Yak-zh-oh-ol forget, what m..k.al ogo bacon? Bo then youmu showed his mats !!!
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 February 2016 21: 09
    +1
    "You have to understand that the political elites of the Independent have always wanted to plunder the country on their own and without any obligations to external players."

    Natural desire. "This is a May cow" and ours are similar.

    "Russia had no one to rely on, except all the same Kuchma and Yanukovych."

    Sorry, guys, but we were not 20 years old at all. Then the plot leaves under my feet, what Ukraine, nonsense.


    "Carry out anti-Ukrainian propaganda under a formally" friendly "government?"

    What kind of propaganda? There is a "friendly" government, and it should be explained to it. What is the problem, dear? And the mouthpieces are not our question.

    "All those who today whine about the failures of Russian policy in Ukraine are unable to calculate the options for the development of the situation even one step forward. The only reasonable solution to the Ukrainian problem for the Russian leadership was the policy of non-interference in the affairs of a sovereign state."

    Friend, yes you fucked up. We did not intervene. And through this not interference, we are slurping now, with a big spoon.

    "non-interference in the affairs of a sovereign state."

    Sorry, I can’t deny myself the pleasure of mocking. Ukraine and sovereignty, alas, the concepts are not compatible. And who is trying to combine them or hire, or in delirium. And let him choose.

    "Isn't it wonderful that Russia has nothing to do with this mess?"

    Not great!

    “Millions of people in Russia and abroad unexpectedly learned that there was no Ukraine or Ukrainians until the twentieth century. This is just a project artificially created by the enemies of Russia. Now it is most naturally closed by the hands of Ukrainian nationalists themselves. Is it worth worrying about that. Russians? "

    Worth it!

    “Many people think that Russian-Ukrainian relations have been spoiled for decades. I don’t think so.”

    Maybe the thinker is weak, or maybe the mom didn’t finish the milk.
    I know! Nationalism in Ukraine has been nurtured since the time of Austria-Hungary. And in 5 years you will make friends with all your cookies?
    Blood spilled, in streams. Turn off the telly and think. How to return to the mother of the killed son? Yes, Kiev ordered to defend their homeland, and now m. ali are right. So she does and there is no god.
    And here you are, O multiseed elder, 10 years a lot.
    You rush so easily for ten years that I have big doubts that you have lived consciously for at least 10 years.
  • 13 warrior
    13 warrior 12 February 2016 22: 01
    +1
    Young man, you do not remind me who else besides you divided people into non-governing and governess? And how correct is your behavior in the country that defeated Nazism?
  • opus
    opus 12 February 2016 22: 18
    -2
    Quote: Putin
    Re-education of an entire generation untimely should occur preferably within Great Russia

    I’ll throw a complaint about you, perhaps:

    "The re-education of a whole generation of Untermenshes should preferably take place within Great Russia."
    Untermensch is already overkill, and beyond the limit ..: Nazi racial politics?
    The next one is Die Schutzstaffel als antiUKRAINIsche Kampforganisation?
    Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    Part 1 of Article 282 "The incitement of hatred or enmity, as well as the humiliation of human dignity" of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation as amended by Federal Law of 08.12.2003 N 162-ФЗ:
    "are punished with a fine from one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of one year to two years, or deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for up to three years, either compulsory labor for up to one hundred eighty hours, or correctional labor for up to one year, or imprisonment for up to two years."

    ---------------------------
    And frankly, I don’t understand those 24x (at the time of writing the comment) HOOPS that put you +.

    Modera is over, as always, when necessary -NO (Romnov and co).
    Well, of course, this is the "Putin" who writes ...
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 February 2016 22: 33
    -3
    Quote: Putin
    No, this is in the acute phase for another 5-7 years, in the severe, chronic for 20 years, subject to the liquidation of Dill as a state. The re-education of a whole generation of Unterman should preferably take place as part of Great Russia

    My friend, and in 20 years will anyone in Ukraine remember whether there was such a dead-end population of "midges"? Be careful with your sword, a double-edged thing.
    Calm down there is no such problem "Ukraine". This is sawdust. There is the problem of the Kremlin's Will. And tama or hemorrhoids or hardware games, that's what annoys.
  • kazak08
    kazak08 13 February 2016 00: 04
    0
    Yes, they don’t have either 5 or 7, let alone 20 years, everything will crumble during this year
  • rpek32
    rpek32 13 February 2016 02: 59
    0
    Let the brother-neighbors themselves solve their problems
  • Vladimir K
    Vladimir K 13 February 2016 21: 51
    0
    Or maybe it’s not worth re-educating, let them decide for themselves.
  • OlegLex
    OlegLex 14 February 2016 22: 44
    0
    Well, they’re already beating in the face there, so it’s not long
  • Motherland Russia
    Motherland Russia 12 February 2016 18: 28
    10
    Is that normal Ukrainians raise their heads?
    Or two-faced more?
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 12 February 2016 20: 21
      +3
      I’m afraid that the housing and communal services of an independent, which is very worn out, will not survive the next winter (not this one, then next) - so everyone will raise their heads. Nobody will give money, except for the IMF - Russia will not be given back a loan, what to speak of others. Currency inflows are falling, but even without the Crimea and the Donbass, it will not be enough to purchase the necessary energy, etc. .. Soon Kiev. there will be nothing for anyone to steal, and the authorities may come even more radically. But for a long time without economy. no one will extend the support of the Russian Federation - not a single western crook-ruler will pull Ukraine out of the swamp. The collapse or Moscow will turn its Maidan? hi
      1. 34 region
        34 region 12 February 2016 21: 08
        +1
        Kasym! 20.21. IMF money? It seems to give. On the restoration of production and the construction of new enterprises? Strange loans. If production is financed, then money is medicine. If corruption is funded, then money is poison. And there, corruption is funded. IMF just cheating? Or maybe the IMF is cheating? Obviously preparing the next meat grinder. But I want to note the high efficiency of the media. Truly (without sarcasm) a killer weapon!
      2. opus
        opus 12 February 2016 23: 04
        +2
        Quote: Kasym
        I’m afraid that the housing and communal services of an independent, which is very worn out, will not survive the next winter (not this one, then next) - so everyone will raise their heads.

        predicted this in 2015 ... did not come true.
        I’ll remind you:
        Soviet Russia in 1918-1921
        -intervention(all moreover, and not only "Russia agrEssor according to Porosenko, and there was no support for" the entire civilized world ", on the contrary)

        Civil war, famine, devastation, gangs, looters.
        - RUSSIA ONLY, that after 1MB (part of the territory is occupied), toWhat kind of "squeezed Crimea" there?
        Conditions put forward by Germany:
        Soviet Russia was supposed to leave the provinces of Eastern Anatolia, the districts of Ardagan, Kars and Batum, Estonia, Livonia, the Aland Islands and Ukraine, demobilize the army, conclude peace with the Ukrainian People’s Republic and recognize the agreement it signed with the powers of the Fourth Union. In addition, the Black Sea Fleet was transferred to Germany, Russia paid the indemnity and received an extremely unfavorable customs tariff. Russia has never known such a shame. But Lenin was above all the desire to save the revolution, and on his orders the new head of the Soviet delegation G.V. Chicherin signed the treaty on March 3, which was called the Brest Peace. March 15 at the IV Extraordinary All-Russian Congress of Soviets, this world was ratified
        In the spring of 1918, taking advantage of With the support of the Central Rada, German troops occupied most of southern Ukraine, including Crimea. In order not to transfer the Black Sea Fleet into the hands of the Germans, it was flooded.
        -management ...

        mmm Yaytsenyuh resting
        - there was practically no industry, and after the VOR it was gone, capital = o (all "fled"), borders and border guards were destroyed, a gigna's debt to the Entente.
        TOTAL?
        / Well you know /
  • serg1970
    serg1970 12 February 2016 18: 30
    34
    Glory she is a windy girl, especially to Ukraine, this one is generally slutty :)
    1. Avantageur
      Avantageur 12 February 2016 19: 02
      +7
      Ukraine is confidently moving to Europe. But few have come so far:
      Akhmetov, Firtash, Kolomoisky and several other Forbes members.


    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 12 February 2016 19: 03
      +3
      Demator on +! In the words of I.V. Stalin, maladets!
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 12 February 2016 18: 32
    +4
    Will they jump?
    1. square
      square 12 February 2016 18: 52
      +2
      Quote: Alexander 3
      Will they jump?

      They will want to eat, they will not only jump, they will crawl. Just before who promises more.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 12 February 2016 18: 32
    +5
    I would like to believe that the author is right in everything. Only embarrassed by Ambassador Zurabov. What does he do in Ukraine?
    1. 97110
      97110 12 February 2016 18: 48
      +5
      Quote: 16112014nk
      What does he do in Ukraine?

      Non-intervention. The author clearly wrote - we have the right!
    2. sgazeev
      sgazeev 12 February 2016 18: 51
      13
      Quote: 16112014nk
      I would like to believe that the author is right in everything. Only embarrassed by Ambassador Zurabov. What does he do in Ukraine?

      "There is an opinion that Russia actually missed Ukraine over the past 22 years and that the ambassadors Chernomyrdin and Zurabov were doing anything in Ukraine, just not protecting the geopolitical interests of the Russian Federation and the common space of historical Rus."
      Misha Zurabov will follow in his parents' footsteps - either in biology or in water specialists. But he chose his path. In 1970, Mikhail, according to my information, graduated from the famous 239th school (now a physical school student), whose certificate at one time was received by Alisa Freindlikh and Boris Grebenshchikov, FIDE world chess champion Alexander Khalifman and many world-famous scientists ... Names of all the famous graduates at the Lyceum remember. But not the name of Zurabov. “I did pretty well in mathematics and physics,” the minister once admitted. "Not bad," apparently, it should be understood - "not for two." In Zurabov’s statement, there are almost entirely “triples”: in algebra, physics, geometry, chemistry, the Russian language and literature, history and social science ... “Fours” - in astronomy, biology and military science. "Excellent" - only in a foreign language, physical education and ... behavior.

      Apparently, at the school, Mikhail Yurievich was a typical “quiet three-year-old,” so no one remembered him at the Lyceum. So the classmate of the minister, Vasily Khlebnikov, whom I managed to find, said that Zurabov was "very calm."

      “But now,” I ask Lyubchenko, “will the minister’s statement be displayed in the school museum?”

      - Yes you! She waved her hands. - What to be proud of? As I studied, it works - in triples. wassat
      1. tolian
        tolian 12 February 2016 23: 08
        0
        It has long been proposed to evaluate applicants in universities mainly by the passport score (75 percent). This is an objective assessment of the creativity of a NORMAL person.
    3. Fagelov
      Fagelov 12 February 2016 18: 57
      +5
      We didn’t see him in Crimea.
      1. Michael67
        Michael67 12 February 2016 19: 59
        +3
        While all the ideologically stubborn are not disposed of, there is no need to talk about some kind of insight of the population. Most fake ones are simply afraid for their lives.
  • zGomeRz
    zGomeRz 12 February 2016 18: 33
    +7
    Everything will happen much faster and depends only on how soon the Ukrainians find out the whole truth about what is happening to them over the past quarter century.

    Hardly. They already know everything perfectly. Now. But here the explosion of popular awareness of something is not visible and not heard. Shche died so died.
  • Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 12 February 2016 18: 33
    +3
    And what? A very interesting look at current events. Has the right to be.
    All those who today whine about the failures of Russian policy in Ukraine are not able to calculate the options for the development of the situation at least one step ahead. The only sensible solution to the Ukrainian problem for the Russian leadership was a policy of non-interference in the affairs of a sovereign state.
  • Scud
    Scud 12 February 2016 18: 33
    21
    With regard to Russian-Ukrainian relations, you can quote the words of Leo Tolstoy — when you were betrayed, it’s the same as a broken arm. You can forgive, but you can’t get a hug anymore. And about fat Ukraine, then about half of the people of Ukraine are so maidan-brown that there is hardly any insight in their empty heads. And it’s not a fact that Ukraine itself will be.
  • dr.star75
    dr.star75 12 February 2016 18: 35
    +6
    I partially agree with the author. And yes, the GDR consisted of Germans who attacked our country, but were 100% loyal and controlled by the USSR
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 12 February 2016 18: 43
      +3
      And Russia in return sold it safely ... repeat
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 12 February 2016 18: 48
        15
        NOT Russia, but Gorbachev, he also betrayed the USSR.
      2. samoletil18
        samoletil18 12 February 2016 19: 06
        +3
        Not Russia, but Gorbachev with Vshivornadze
      3. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 12 February 2016 19: 38
        0
        Quote: KBR109
        And Russia in return sold it safely ...

        Let's be honest to the end. Imagine (even in a nightmare) that Russia lost in some war and it was torn apart by the USA and China, well, somewhere, on the border of Vladimir, Kostroma, Vollgod, and so on areas. And then they allowed me to unite ... Just imagine.
        1. reservist
          reservist 12 February 2016 19: 49
          +2
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Imagine (even in a nightmare) that Russia lost in some war and was torn apart ...

          so it was already such ... including fighting with themselves ...
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 12 February 2016 21: 08
            0
            Quote: reservist
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Imagine (even in a nightmare) that Russia lost in some war and was torn apart ...

            so it was already such ... including fighting with themselves ...

            What is this card?
            1. reservist
              reservist 12 February 2016 21: 18
              +1
              Quote: RUSS
              What is this card?

              Ethnographic map of Lubor Niederl.
    2. zennon
      zennon 12 February 2016 19: 01
      0
      Quote: dr.star75
      , The GDR consisted of Germans who attacked our country, but were 100% loyal and controlled by the USSR

      That's right. That's just enough for exactly 41 years ...
  • Altona
    Altona 12 February 2016 18: 36
    +9
    So far, propaganda has been successfully driving the Ukrainians into their heads. True, Lyashko began to express sensible things, that "the people are dumb, the yak goes to the museum to the wine bazaar and klatsay with his teeth on sauerkraut, and it is Yatsenyuk personally, and neither Putin or Russia" who is guilty of that. Through the stomach, the brain understands more sharply and the body's sensitivity increases.
    1. udincev
      udincev 12 February 2016 18: 58
      +6
      So this is Lyashko! He always expresses and makes efficient things, in accordance with the current moment ...
    2. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 12 February 2016 19: 02
      +3
      You won’t become a singer on an empty stomach
      The student proverb “The hungry belly to learning is deaf” was invented more than a century ago. But seven years ago, she received an unexpected confirmation from biologists. It turns out that if young birds are starving, they are not able to master the song "repertoire" necessary for the breeding scenario. Therefore, having become adults, such animals cannot attract partners for reproduction and remain sterile.
      Canadian zoologists have experimented with nearly three dozen chicks of song oatmeal, a small songbird common in North America. The birds were divided into two groups: one received plenty of food, the second gave food a third less than expected.

      When the birds grew up, it turned out that those who were malnourished had a poorly developed area of ​​the brain, which is called the "vocal center". This part of the brain is similar to the language center in the human brain, responsible for the assimilation and understanding of speech. In birds, the “vocal center” provides the memorization and reproduction of melodies characteristic of each species.

      As the researchers suggest, starving birds lacked protein for normal brain development. The constant hormonal stress caused by a lack of food could also have affected.

      The bird, which has not “learned” all the necessary songs, is avoided by potential sexual partners. For them, her meager vocals are a signal that the individual is weak, unhealthy. Accordingly, her offspring may be the same.

      If you understand that your pet has only a short time to live, and you would like to ease this fate for him, we suggest you use our service. It is the cremation of the animal that is the most humane way to say goodbye to him, because for the owners the loss of a beloved animal is a real drama.
      1. tolian
        tolian 12 February 2016 22: 59
        0
        While Yaytsenyuk and Potroshenko sing, will Ukraine reproduce successfully? So what?
    3. 34 region
      34 region 12 February 2016 20: 36
      +2
      Altona! 18.36. Stomach! Brain! Wings! Legs! Look at the Arab countries. Is everyone eating themselves there? Bored, soaked, hungry, again bored, soaked ... This will be an endless plate of poverty, like Africans and Arabs. And the IMF money will go to maintain this poverty. This is a ban on the development of technology. Only a select few will have high technology. You are an intelligent person, you must understand this very well. This is the main goal, and not integration with a high standard of living.
      1. Altona
        Altona 12 February 2016 22: 10
        0
        Quote: Region 34
        Altona! 18.36. Stomach! Brain! Wings! Legs! Look at the Arab countries. Is everyone eating themselves there? Bored, soaked, hungry, again bored, soaked ... This will be an endless plate of poverty, like Africans and Arabs. And the IMF money will go to maintain this poverty. This is a ban on the development of technology. Only a select few will have high technology. You are an intelligent person, you must understand this very well. This is the main goal, and not integration with a high standard of living.

        --------------------------
        Well, the Arab countries are mentally distant and have never lived with us. I referred to the "stomach" not literally, but as a catalyst for gene memory, so that they would rethink their actions, and even more so the results, and realized that no one was waiting for them anywhere. Nobody, anywhere, ever. We realized that no one needed us. We have already become strangers even in our own country, we go, looking for how to cut a penny.
        1. tolian
          tolian 12 February 2016 22: 56
          0
          Why don't you "cut" thousands? After all, someone does it. And successfully. Laziness, or what? Or don't you want to? So this is also laziness.
    4. tolian
      tolian 12 February 2016 23: 00
      0
      Do Lyashko through the stomach? Ha! U Lyashko through w..y!
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 12 February 2016 18: 40
    +6
    “Many believe that Russian-Ukrainian relations have been spoiled for decades. I don’t think so. Everything will happen much faster and depends only on how soon Ukrainians find out the whole truth.”
    Your words, God bless you ... the key question is "how soon will the Ukrainians know the whole truth?" Do they want to know her?
  • atlantida04
    atlantida04 12 February 2016 18: 41
    0
    Soon romance "Benderovets", "dill", etc. will end. The top (power) is already slowly dumping over the cordon. Earlier in the comments it was: with this policy, the arrival of a new president will only aggravate the situation. The policy of the state of Ukraine must be radically changed, and not necessarily in any direction.
    1. udincev
      udincev 12 February 2016 19: 01
      0
      Quote: atlantida04
      not necessarily in any direction.

      And the state and politics have already bent so much that no one will fail.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 12 February 2016 19: 16
      +4
      Quote: atlantida04
      The policy of the state of Ukraine must be radically changed, and not necessarily in whose direction.

      What to change? There are no states, just as there is no politics! And the mummers under the president and the prime minister are simple decoys from the State Department! Here is such a simple arithmetic!
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 12 February 2016 20: 42
        0
        In, in. And where did they see the state? Country 404, which everyone always has to. walk the field. The whole story lived under someone and under someone sagged. And now, ABOUT THAT Ukrainians. You dug up the Black Sea. And then they dig (sha) in shit.
        1. atlantida04
          atlantida04 13 February 2016 09: 50
          0
          Now they have a policy to glorify ghouls, beg for money from the IMF and share it among themselves. There, most of the politicians need to be shot for treason (their own), and some three times, and then there will be few. This is their policy that needs to be cut, but I don’t know where to get such an ax, to find it.
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 12 February 2016 18: 42
    +9
    They will never see again, for Inform warfare from the United States mows the schizoid race of Svidomo patriots ruthlessly, and therefore no one will beat its face. The genius of the contradictions between the peoples of Russia and Ukraine, artificially released into the bottle, can no longer be driven.
  • potalevl
    potalevl 12 February 2016 18: 42
    +7
    As long as there are adherents and bearers of the ideas of Bandera-Shukhevych, Russia will always be their enemy, and this infection, as history shows, is indestructible and can last for decades.
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 12 February 2016 18: 43
    +4
    As for me, so it is necessary, not to think about relations, but to be determined with the borders of New Russia, and to build a wall, serious, because the rabbit will never build. Where possible, building should be started now. And without snot, it seems, there are normal ones ... And send more cannons with machine guns there, both from land and from the sea! Somalia kindergarten will soon seem, because. This is my attitude towards this "brotherly" people.
    And let where they want, even to Europe, even to our machine guns, democratic freedom of choice.
    1. tolian
      tolian 12 February 2016 22: 52
      0
      This is my attitude towards this "brotherly" people ...
      Well. it's overkill. Really underdeveloped maydauny so you have lost your temper. To thoughtlessness.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 February 2016 18: 46
    +8
    It's time to start building the fence! And higher. I do not expect anything good from the territory of 404. The abscess slowly ripens. When it bursts, I would not want this substance to flow to us.
  • Shurale
    Shurale 12 February 2016 18: 49
    -7
    How tired of these scribbling overflowing from empty to empty, in every possible way justifying the curved foreign policy (or rather the lack thereof) of the Kremlin ...
    1. tolian
      tolian 12 February 2016 22: 42
      0
      Shurale, are you like an expert? Or how sleepy? Do not roam the net. Do not be sleepy-annoyed.
      1. Shurale
        Shurale 13 February 2016 10: 58
        0
        I’m not annoyed, those seven minusers are annoyed who can’t put two words together, just put a minus, nobody will ever know their opinions, because apparently they are tongue-tied and cannot express their opinions ... Or most likely they don’t have their opinions and minus everything that it doesn’t converge with the matrix projected from the TV, it’s apparently upsetting them, for them there is NO OPINION, for them there is only a curve, a prism through which they look at the world, and everything that does not converge with this is evil ... Explain with words alas, such people cannot, reflexes cannot be explained with fishing ...

        PYSSA, by the way, I also do not observe your opinion ...

        You probably consider yourself an expert? Tell me please tagda about the foreign policy of the Kremlin? Explain why it is so disastrous, and what prevented them from doing this, the dancers maintain normal relations with their neighbors?
  • valent45
    valent45 12 February 2016 18: 50
    +4
    This is for a long time. Until the Ukrainians go to pasture, nothing will reach them.
    In fact, the mercenary people are used to (or accustomed to?) To live on a freebie.
    Their motto - I will not eat, so at least bite. hi
  • zennon
    zennon 12 February 2016 18: 56
    +5
    I am deeply convinced that everything is up to the economy. Dill quarreled with Russia and did not come to Europe. In essence, they are now at a crossroads. Yanukovych was certainly weak, but by no means an I.D.O.T. the adventure of breaking with Russia and the enslaving treaty with the geyropa. But by refusing to sign it, he thereby signed the verdict as a politician to himself. Thank you, not mortal, but it could be so! The current political elite with joyful howling has picked up a multi-colored banner of belonging to the geyropa. now they are reaping the benefits ... I remember the egg said a year and a half ago that the hryvnia rate of 14 to 1 for green will be fatal for the economy. What is it like now? Correct-26. The de-industrialization of the outskirts is ending. And after that, collapse and riot. With the end the outskirts will collapse and all problems will be resolved by themselves. The south will go to Russia, the 4 western regions will be taken by Poles with Hanover, and the center with Kiev at the head will be left alone with its problems. Now it’s hard to believe, but Udet. When I wrote about 3 years ago through a post that we should return and return Crimea we should have laughed. Where are these funniest now?! This will come true and this is my prediction. See. Shroud of Ukraine!
  • Igor V
    Igor V 12 February 2016 18: 57
    +6
    There are many words and emotions about Ukraine. And I want to add some specifics: was there a revolution in Kiev? Let us use the well-known formula for the revolutionary situation of VI Lenin: "The upper classes cannot govern in the old way, the lower classes do not want to live in the old way."
    So, during the Maidan the top could? It turns out, with an interference, that no.
    Did the lower classes want? The lower classes for the most part still live in the old way, no more than 5% of the population took part in the "Maidan", including students who were upset about the low salary. This means that the second part of the formula is not fulfilled, and there was no revolution, there was a violent coup d'etat.
    Now let's look at the Crimea. It took place under the new government.
    The tops definitely could not, they still plan decrees in the Crimea, but the sense of them is zero.
    The lower classes clearly did not want to, which was confirmed by the referendum. It turns out that a revolution took place in Crimea and the people chose their fate.
    And now - the South-East. If the upper echelons sent a regular army against the citizens, it means that they also "could not."
    And the lower classes took up arms, which convincingly shows whether they want to live under this power.
    It turns out that the coup d'etat caused two revolutions.
    1. tolian
      tolian 12 February 2016 22: 35
      0
      Reasoning is not a boy, but a husband!
    2. Algol
      Algol 12 February 2016 23: 56
      0
      Cool, all on the shelves ... RESPECT !!!
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    4. Shurale
      Shurale 13 February 2016 11: 09
      0
      Well, the exam is triumphant. The man perfectly laid out a version of the events as the speakers present it to him from the screen of our sweet television. Everyone urgently put a plus, the boy managed.

      This opus has nothing to do with the real state of things by the way ...
      But this is the Unified State Exam, no one is interested in the real state of affairs, everyone needs the ticks to be placed in the "right" places ...
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 13 February 2016 12: 36
        0
        Quote: Shurale
        Well, the exam is triumphant. The man perfectly laid out a version of the events as the speakers present it to him from the screen of our sweet television. Everyone urgently put a plus, the boy managed.

        This opus has nothing to do with the real state of things by the way ...
        But this is the Unified State Exam, no one is interested in the real state of affairs, everyone needs the ticks to be placed in the "right" places ...

        You wrote a lot of letters, but there is no thought in them. What to answer?
  • lukke
    lukke 12 February 2016 18: 59
    +2
    How easily and most importantly habitually Russians manage to scold their entire leadership in everything. Only no one will say how it should have acted in historical circumstances?
    They scolded for the fact that mediocre and unreasonable gave OUR lands with OUR population to the artificial formation of Ukraine. In 1991, Kiev would have left a number of "primordial" Svidomo regions and this would not have happened ... ten years ago they would have cracked open and scattered.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 12 February 2016 19: 13
      +5
      Quote: lukke
      In 1991, Kiev would have been left with a number of "primordial" Svidomo regions and this would not have happened ...

      And where did you get the idea that Kiev was "originally Svidomo"? The territories that joined Russia in 1654 were slightly smaller:
      1. lukke
        lukke 12 February 2016 22: 54
        0
        And where did you get the idea that Kiev was "originally Svidomo"? The territories that joined Russia in 1654 were slightly smaller:
        Well, you have to be realistic - since 1654 a lot of water has flowed under the bridge, here in 25 years zombies have been raised from many Russian citizens of Ukraine, so at least the last "misunderstandings" should be restored, and then the wheel of History will scroll further)))
  • vvv-73
    vvv-73 12 February 2016 18: 59
    +1
    Quote: 97110
    Quote: 16112014nk
    What does he do in Ukraine?

    Non-intervention. The author clearly wrote - we have the right!

    Yes, he besides cutting loot, knows nothing more. Pension Fund can confirm.
  • allen.st
    allen.st 12 February 2016 19: 05
    +2
    To be honest, this "brotherly people" has done so much meanness to Russia that it is time to equate it with am (mattress mats).
    1. square
      square 12 February 2016 20: 24
      +1
      Quote: allen.st
      To be honest, this "brotherly people" has done so much meanness to Russia that it is time to equate it with am (mattress mats).

      Rather, to the mattress toppers.
  • Bootlegger
    Bootlegger 12 February 2016 19: 10
    12
    KARSu
    for information about Ukrainization back in the early 90s, it started — the nacelle in Novoukrainsky was called the humeny natsyutsyurnyk — forgot? but I remember. how it all began and a lot to .... l actively helped it and the zapadentsi began to break into Kiev and climb into power actively with the zapadensko-ukrainization uniachen. and I, a wimp, went to war to Yugoslavia to Orthodox Serbs and Ukrainians to Croats and Muslims volunteers. I’ve gained experience for the Maidan. I looked at the Ukrainians and even though I was born Kiev and my Ukrainians didn’t relate to this degenerate and treacherous ethnic group. after that Uiatian Ukrainization Russian.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 12 February 2016 22: 34
      +1
      Quote: Moonshiner
      even though I was a born Kiev citizen and mine were Ukrainians I do not belong to this degenerative and traitorous ethnic group. after that Uiat Ukrainization

      Hold five! good If he defended the Orthodox, then: "There is no more that love, if he lay down his life for his friends" (Gospel of John 15. 13. ".
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 12 February 2016 19: 12
    +1
    Controversial article. The only thing I agree with the author is that the absence of Russian policy in Ukraine was natural.
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 12 February 2016 19: 25
    0
    When good passers-by shout their heels for "yaku to gilyak", it will be possible to talk about rapprochement. But not soon, not soon ...
  • L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 12 February 2016 19: 29
    +1
    There are different people in Ukraine. It’s not worth building all in one row.
  • viktor561
    viktor561 12 February 2016 19: 30
    +2
    Every nation has the government it deserves (Joseph de Mestre)
  • tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 12 February 2016 19: 47
    12
    To the author "+" and thanks.
    I will add a little on my own: ALL the republics of the former USSR held and developed mainly due to the RSFSR.
    At the same time, the standard of living of most republics (USSR; BSSR; Transcaucasian and Baltic trinity) was simply unscrupulously higher than in Russia. And they laughed at the Russians quite openly, out loud and in the eyes expressed their disregard for us! Since the 80s I had to travel around the country, I noticed a strange pattern: I take home from business trips to Belarus, to Ukraine, from trips on vacation to Georgia, to Crimea, all my own, Russian: wallpaper, mixers, everyday life. equipment that we don’t have, but they have! They don’t take it - they turn the nose! Import are waiting! They make fun of us: we don’t know how to work or live! Apparently, the moment of truth has arrived. And not out of gloating, but simply out of a feeling of alienation between them and us, then still absorbed, I will say: their problems are indifferent to me. Is that Belarusians are more pedigree than others. And then, maybe because I’ve been there more often - it happened.
    1. square
      square 12 February 2016 20: 33
      +2
      That's why they don’t like us, a sense of superiority was replaced by a sense of our own inferiority. And who is to blame for this? That's right, the one before whom they complex. The more complex, the more it is necessary to defile, denigrate, so that in your own eyes you do not look completely flawed. (By the way, do not look at the flag, I live in the Russian Federation, was born in the RSFSR, I am writing from the Russian Federation)
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 12 February 2016 20: 52
      +2
      Nevertheless, it is necessary to make a reservation that in Moscow, St. Petersburg, the Krasnodar Territory, and a number of cities in Siberia and the Far East, the standard of living was by no means lower than in the aforementioned republics, but perhaps even higher in Moscow.
  • rubidiy
    rubidiy 12 February 2016 19: 51
    +3
    I understand correctly that the author hopes that the people themselves will change their minds / sober up / come to their senses ??? laughing
    This is a strictly controlled process. And without control, the eternally envious Ukrainians will sit and shout to the whole world: "Europe is fucking us! Russia is pressing us! The government is swindlers!" etc. etc. This is reality. So draining the idea that our leadership screwed up by allowing the Maidan was not counted. I do not exclude the possibility of a well-thought-out assumption of the Maidan, but so far I haven’t come across any sensible thoughts on this matter.
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 12 February 2016 19: 51
    +3
    I do not share the optimism of the author of the article. he proceeds from the fact that Ukraine is a country, and Ukrainians are a people on whom something depends. Now Ukraine is a US protectorate (there is a lot of evidence for that, there is no need to list them, they are known to everyone). Since the United States spent on Ukraine, US companies have already begun to receive dividends, because Ukraine is potentially the richest country, for what reason they will lose it. It is useful for the US government to put a dagger at the heart of Russia. Therefore, why on earth will they give free rein to some Ukrainian people there. Ukraine is not a subject, but an object. The United States will feed Ukraine just so that there is no famine, and propaganda will try for its master to keep the US spending on Ukraine minimal, that is, will blame all inconvenience on Russia. Therefore, Ukraine’s hostility to Russia is until the United States can spend money on it, or until Russia is so strong that life with Russia will become more attractive than with America. Both of them are not visible in the future, although the devil knows, no one could predict the October Revolution, and now.
    1. Adai_78
      Adai_78 14 February 2016 14: 18
      0
      In general, I agree with you, but a question arises? How will the already taken IMF loans be returned, provided that the imminent impoverishment of the people and the collapse of the economy are approaching? The option that the Gayropeans will take it with land or something else materially valuable (if there is anything left) is somehow not connected. Conflict of interest so to speak))). And the United States can and will be able to feed Ukraine, or rather its fosterlings from the so-called "interim government", at a minimum, but he will hardly sign for the debts of Svidomo. hi
  • ltc22A
    ltc22A 12 February 2016 20: 00
    +3
    An ambiguous article. Much has been said for the period after 1991 (it would be better if it were not). But the background is not disclosed.
    The term "Ukraine" (not a country) appeared around the 1660s - the territory of the Polish-Lithuanian principality (approximately Zhytomyr, Kiev, Poltava regions). At the beginning of the twentieth century, this was the name of the territory of Poland, which the USSR took away from it in 1939.
    [quote] The Ukrainian project since its conception at the beginning of the XIX century has been hostile to Russia. [/ quote]
    The issue is controversial. The "Ukrainian project" was created and began to be implemented in the Austro-Hungarian Empire (in part of the AB empire, mainly inhabited by Rusyns) and spread first to the territory of Ukraine (the territory of Poland) to weaken Poland, and then quietly disappeared in connection with the First world war.
    [qoute] The Russian Empire did not know what to do with it [/ quote]
    In the Russian Empire they hardly knew about it, because these were the internal affairs of the AB empire. The Bolsheviks created problems in 1917. The "Ukrainian project" crawled into the territory of Little Russia and Novorossia and the so-called. Ukrainian SSR.
    [quote] in the Soviet Union tried to tame [/ quote]
    During the creation of the USSR and with the advent of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in the hands of the RCP (b), reinforced Ukrainization of the territories of Little and New Russia was carried out. But little attention was paid to the former territories of the AB Empire (the current so-called Western Ukraine), because there are few mineral resources there.
    [Quote] and the leadership of modern Russia entrusted the solution of the Ukrainian question to the court of history. [/ quote]
  • hartlend
    hartlend 12 February 2016 20: 04
    0
    I read the entire article and at the end I saw that the headline was just the author’s wish. This statement is not supported by anything. In general, the author turned out to be a door.
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 12 February 2016 20: 06
    +3
    It seems to be a good article. I "plus". But here's what comes to mind:
    "Every nation has the government it deserves" wrote Joseph de Maistre in 1811 in his letter, in which he reported on the new laws issued by Alexander I.

    There is an assumption among historians that this expression arose in de Maistre as a paraphrase of the thought of the French enlightener Montesquieu: "Every people deserves its fate."
    http://www.bolshoyvopros.ru/questions/860030-kazhdyj-narod-dostoin-svoego-pravit
    elstva-otkuda-pogovorka.ht
    The Bible says: "Do not complain about your ruler, for every nation is worthy of its ruler."
    https://otvet.mail.ru/question/61061590 И ещё:
    “Verily Allah does not change the position of people until they themselves begin to change themselves”
    (Surah "Ar-raad", ayat 11).

    That is, an indispensable condition - this will change for yourself! And only then will the power change.
    After all, every nation deserves its ruler.
    http://www.cept73.ru/wordpress/kazhdyj-narod-dostoin-svoego-pravitelya/
  • KRIG55
    KRIG55 12 February 2016 20: 12
    0
    A person regains his sight when it is painful, cold, and hungry. With a successful combination of these factors, enlightenment comes quickly. But insight, not love and not friendship.
  • edmed
    edmed 12 February 2016 20: 20
    0
    Quote: Chen
    Quote: Putin
    The greatness of Ukrainians was brought up in the 70s and 80s. And what is the output? Dupa


    That's the essence of the whole question. This in the article is quite rightly revealed.
    And comrade. VVP was right when he said that Comrade. Lenin planted a bomb under Russia. The root of evil lies in the Bolshevik approach to the "national question" and territorial division according to national characteristics.

    It seems to me that it was necessary to solve this in the 14th abruptly and irrevocably, during March-April it would be in place. And now we have what we have.
  • rus-5819
    rus-5819 12 February 2016 20: 26
    +1
    The biggest damage to Russia's reputation was caused by the fact that the large-scale looting and transformation of Ukraine into a thieves' oligarchic state took place again under supposedly “pro-Russian” presidents.

    Somehow, the author somehow forgot about Yushchenko and Tymoshenko, apparently they are from those who ennobled and built Ukrain ...
    Ukraine must be left within its historical borders, then it will be easier for Amers to manage it. Well, they can’t cope with large countries, no matter where they go, everywhere is a bummer !!!
  • Balagan
    Balagan 12 February 2016 20: 26
    0
    Today I saw an interesting picture explaining to the cookie issuers our attitude towards their freaks.
  • wow
    wow 12 February 2016 20: 28
    +2
    Why "... coming soon ..."? We are already hitting. Excuses such as: "... lads - I'm a svy, an encore wandering ..." already pass through few places.
    1. Gardener91
      Gardener91 12 February 2016 21: 48
      +1
      On the "Censor" everything is exactly the opposite. "What is the strength of the brother !?"
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 12 February 2016 20: 33
    +5
    It is sad, but the original quote from Saltykov-Shchedrin sounds different:

    It doesn’t matter if they give a ruble for a ruble, but it will be a disaster when they give in a muzzle for a ruble.


    In Ukraine - the Nazis; in Russia, they are liberals, and the overseas cesspool of nastiness only chuckles.
  • 1950.user
    1950.user 12 February 2016 20: 41
    0
    "However, an unexpected discovery for the Ukrainians was that they are not expected anywhere. European integration turned out to be a grandiose fake."

    Not everything is so simple. We in the EU are waiting for garment girls in embroidered shirts on highways. laughing
  • demo
    demo 12 February 2016 20: 41
    +1
    “Firstly, Kiev’s multi-sector policy has always been bluffed. Ukraine has blackmailed the West by seeking rapprochement with Russia, while at the same time it has blackmailed Russia with the threat of rapprochement with the West. It must be understood that the political elites of the independence always wanted to rob the country on their own and without any obligations to external players. They equally need neither European integration, nor an alliance with Russia. ”

    Honestly, the maxim about the desire to rob alone, expressed by the author, characterizes not only Ukrainian oligarchic structures, but also ours, home-grown, Russian.

    “How easy and important the Russians are accustomed to, it turns out, scolding their entire leadership in everything. Only no one will say how it should have acted in historical circumstances? ”

    And that the author managed to communicate with all representatives of Russian social groups?
    And so everything is hopeless?
    Directly, no one knows how to behave in a particular situation?
    Then the author needs to remind popular wisdom of the clever and wise.
    “Smart knows how to get out of any situation. The wise knows how not to get into such a situation. ”
    The fact that our leadership is trying to get out of another trap, characterizes it as unwise.

    "All those who are whining today about the failures of Russian politics in Ukraine are not able to figure out options for developing the situation at least one step forward."

    Well, here again.
    Around, wherever you look, there are only undergrowths and mediocrity.
    But what if there’s a swan, a crab and a pike in the wagon?
  • R-22
    R-22 12 February 2016 20: 48
    +1
    Ukraine is pros! And the Arab spring is the same. And a lot of Cheoo still prosrali and surrendered, betrayed and sold, because liberals were in power in them and right now there are not a few, but the situation is changing and it pleases how to know if we are united and each of us will work hard, then the once lost will return. Surely everything will return.
    1. tolian
      tolian 12 February 2016 22: 27
      0
      No one asked for anything as you write. On the contrary, everything was done very correctly. Go Russia! Although clearly seen through these galloping, where the front.
  • oxana_iv
    oxana_iv 12 February 2016 20: 54
    +1
    Dedicated to the victims of zombies:

    The oligarchs divide spheres of influence and shape public opinion on both the Ukrainian and Russian sides. And at the same time, there are clever people on both sides who pick up nationalist slogans and, foaming at the mouth, shout “mos * ka * lyaka!”, “Dill!”, “We fed them all our lives!”, “The RSFSR kept everyone ! "
    People, you are being manipulated, and you are being fooled! And why today's comments in this thread are better than those of "Svidomo"? If they behave stupidly when they take up arms against Russia, then why do the same?

    PS I wish everyone to stop repeating spells, and to think with their own heads who is the enemy to someone, who is friend to whom. What should we share with the Ukrainians? I do not mean the owners of factory-newspapers, steamboats, but ordinary people.
    1. allen.st
      allen.st 12 February 2016 21: 46
      +2
      Yes, we really have nothing to share with them, but the leeches in the face of "BROTHER NATIONS" is high time to stop sponsoring, feeding and regretting. You can't tear it off, and even open your mouth.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 February 2016 21: 07
    +5
    How are these paranoid fool By the way, real bigboards have been hanging at the entrances to Kiev for the third month already - "Senya Dosvidanie" - one phrase on a huge white field .. I didn't think of taking a picture, I'm used to it.
  • Bern
    Bern 12 February 2016 21: 24
    +3
    An extremely superficial article! Yanukovych, as a Russophobe and a nationalist, under whom the idea of ​​hatred for Russia spread! Ha! Yes, this idea has been ripening among the Westerners for several decades. And don't underestimate the merits of our "partners" from beyond the hill! And where is Yushchenko, where is Tymoshenko? After all, it was under Yushchenko that the fascist henchmen began to be heroized, and it was under him that a total war against corruption began, which is still being unsuccessfully waged in Independence! And as for the corruption of Yanukovych, here I advise you to make a discount on the fact that the protokry dug the Black Sea!
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 12 February 2016 21: 34
      +1
      Quote: bern
      Extremely superficial article!

      do not shoot the pianist!
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 12 February 2016 21: 53
        0
        He rides as best he can.
  • olegkrava
    olegkrava 12 February 2016 21: 30
    0
    Quote: Tol100v
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    In the short term, tension will only increase.

    They must get sick with an infectious disease called "UKRODOWNISM" themselves! On our part, a quarantine barrier should be established against the penetration of the bacillus "Putin is to blame for everything!" Its spreading must be blocked with good doses of antibiotics, up to "sedatives"!

    I would prefer to end the phrase 5.45ps And 9mmPM.
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 12 February 2016 21: 42
    0
    - Sorry, Mr. Judge, the tragedy of 20 has lasted for years ... And now everything should be fine.

    Alexey Pushkov @Alexey_Pushkov 11 Feb

    Kiev banned 15 Russian TV channels. Now Ukraine will definitely be able to boost the economy, regain the trust of creditors and make a leap into the future.
  • Ros64
    Ros64 12 February 2016 21: 51
    +5
    The author of the article is obviously young and does not know that it all started not with Kuchma, but with Kravchuk. Under him, Bandera began to raise their heads in Ukraine. Media in Ukraine began to slowly mock towards Russia, on television it was very noticeable back in the 90s. Even from former relatives in the Donbass I heard not very pleasant remarks about Russia. I DO NOT COMMUNICATE MORE WITH THEM - OTHERWISE.
    1. tolian
      tolian 12 February 2016 22: 23
      +1
      Kravchuk - he really wanted to be a king. As well as Shushkevich, as well as Boria the Piany. Here we are. Amused themselves. And people too. This is for whom the words are written: "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels." These kings camouflaged the desire to reign by patriotism-nationalism. This is especially clearly seen now on the example of the Central Asian republics.
    2. Yuri 17
      Yuri 17 13 February 2016 20: 41
      +1
      Bandera has always been. In Soviet times, there was a joke: Russian and Moldavian ride through a forest in a cart. The Bandera’s people block the road and tell the Moldavian that you are passing, and the Russian - Get off, you’ve already arrived.
  • tolian
    tolian 12 February 2016 22: 18
    +3
    The author completely agrees with you. But almost everything that you wrote about was more or less stated earlier. Perhaps with the exception of the phrase that since the beginning of the 19th century the Empire did not know what to do with this "Okraina". That one. who faced the intelligentsia, especially the humanitarian in Ukraine, was amazed at their "obstinacy" of some kind. Stupid, animal, like a lamb, or something. Very reminiscent of Pshetsky arrogance. Remember the problem in Poland - who is more? Even with patches on the ass. After all, the entire indigenous population of the right bank is unknown who. It seems to me that they themselves do not know exactly this, if you dig deep into the generations. And what Himmler laid down through the OUN, UPA under the Outskirts as a "gift" for future Russia is now working well. But the finish will be pretty soon. And they will, they will beat the muzzles for "glory to Ukraine". After all, after only 25 years, "glory to the KPSS" is not yelling. Although they can - they won't shoot. They just don't want to.