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On the prospects of Turkey in the Fourth World War

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The scenario of the new Russian-Turkish war, which several years ago might seem like a figment of a sick imagination (although the deep-seated contradictions between the two powers have not disappeared and always existed), is already quite possible. Moreover, the situation is so dangerous that the war can begin at any time. Preparation of the Turkish armed forces for the creation of a “buffer zone” in Syria and high-profile statements by leading Turkish politicians; support for intervention in Syria by Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Bahrain; British troop-transfer exercises with commentary on preparations for a conflict with Russia; sudden army exercises and fleet The Russian Federation in the south and south-west strategic direction (there are other "bells and whistles") - all this speaks of the real danger of an escalation of hostilities on the Middle East front of the Fourth World War, which has been going on on the planet since 2014.

Reference. Third world war - this is so-called. “Cold”, information war 1945-1991, with local military foci in territories that do not belong to the core of the socialist and capitalist bloc. The USSR lost the war with a crash. Moreover, he did not lose at the level of military forces and the economy, but at a conceptual, cultural, informational level, when the top of the Red Empire simply lost all positions, betrayed the Soviet people and got the opportunity to become fabulously rich by plundering the national wealth and entering the lower levels of the hierarchy of the global elite of the New World order Such a defeat and shame Russian civilization did not know for all the millennial history. Without a fight and military defeat (!), Almost all Hitler’s plans to divide our state into buffer, Russophobic, “independent and independent” states were realized. They separated the Baltic states, where they almost never had their own statehood, creating on its territory dwarf Russophobic and neo-Nazi regimes, where millions of Russians overnight became the “second grade”. The Baltic states themselves became a bridgehead for NATO, hanging over the Russian Federation, at once destroying the military-strategic positions that the Russian princes and kings created for a thousand years. They created a “separatist”, hostile to Ukraine, Ukraine, which has now also been turned into a military ram directed against the Russian Federation and a NATO foothold. Kiev - "the mother of Russian cities", the capital of the original, primordial Russia, was in another "state"! They created the "independent" White Russia - another fragment of the Russian civilization, which alone is doomed to spiritual, cultural and socio-economic degradation. Moldova, which is waiting for the absorption of Romania and Romanization. In Transcaucasia, normal relations are preserved only with Armenia. Georgia is an enemy waiting in the wings. And the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh created a non-healing ulcer of war. Central Asia, separated from large Russia, was doomed to archaization, degradation, Islamization, and economic (and then political) expansion of China. This process has so far led to the fact that Central Asia can become one huge “inferno zone” like Afghanistan, Syria — Iraq, Libya, and Somalia. At the same time there is a threat from Japan, which claims to be the Kuriles. China, when implementing negative scenarios for the development of the Russian Federation, will also not abandon the “original Chinese lands” - Siberia. "Reformers-perestroika" in the Russian Federation began to carry out "reforms" according to the recipes of the West, de facto it was a cultural-informational, socio-economic genocide, again according to Hitler's plans. Criminal and sexual revolution were implemented. This eventually led to the extinction of the Russians and other indigenous peoples of Russia. We lost up to 15 million people, and this is without war and only direct losses, indirect losses are much greater. And these “figures”, who honestly can be called “enemies of the people”, still occupy key positions in the financial, socio-economic, educational sectors of the Russian Federation, continuing their wrecking activity. These are just some of the most obvious outcomes of the Third World War.

Almost immediately, the masters of the West began training in the Fourth World War. The goal is the destruction, defragmentation of large national states created following the Second World War, civilization states (Russia, China, India), utilization of the main mass of mankind to drastically reduce consumption and restore the planet’s ecology and creating the New World Order on the ruins of the old world. The non-slave-owning global civilization is the “Babylon” project, where there will be “islands” (including huge ships-liners) of the highest technologies, and immersed in the archaic - primitive communities, neo-feudalism and slavery, the rest of the planet. At the same time, one of the main tasks is to utilize “extra biomass” to 500 million - 1-2 billion people. This should solve the problem of reducing the resource base of mankind, and the restoration of ecology. War, with its gradual escalation, should burn huge masses of people. At the same time, the destruction of the old socio-economic and energy infrastructure in countries where war is going on, examples of Libya, Iraq, Syria, where previously thriving cities and districts are in ruins, will cause even greater losses to the human population than direct hostilities. Destroyed territories simply will not feed those masses of people who live there now. Constant conflicts over the remaining resources, hunger, disease (with the destruction of the medical care system), etc., will kill more people than war.

It is clear that some people will try to escape in the regions and countries of the world that are not yet affected by the war. Hundreds of thousands, millions of people have already fled to Turkey, to the countries of Europe. However, this completely suits the “matrix reset” architects. First, millions of refugees, and there will be even more, will only bring with them various problems (rising crime, drug trafficking, slave trade, a surge of xenophobia, nationalism, etc.) and, as a result, a war to still relatively stable countries. Secondly, still stable countries and large cities will build “walls”, lock themselves off, that is, build “islands of security”, tighten laws, restrict the right to move.

For example, here is the last news on this topic: Israel plans to build a wall around the entire border. This statement was made by the head of the Israeli government Benjamin Netanyahu. “We are preparing a multi-year program to build a security fence along all the country's borders in order to protect ourselves in the Middle East,” said the Prime Minister. According to Netanyahu, we are talking about a program that “costs many billions of shekels, these are expenses for many years.” “Now we are working on a list of priorities to start a gradual construction, but this program will be implemented for the sake of Israel’s security,” the politician said. “In the environment in which we live, we must protect ourselves from predators,” said the Israeli Prime Minister. “In the end, Israel, as I see it, will be surrounded on all sides by a security fence,” he added. Israel has already built walls near the borders with Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, and also with the Gaza Strip. The fence was also erected on a substantial part along the line with the West Bank. In 2015, the construction of the first section of the fence on the border with Jordan started. Thus, we see how security islands are being built before our eyes, separated from the rest of the world. To this leads the policy of the owners of the West.

That is, everything is according to plan - the construction of an "electronic concentration camp" is underway. As a result, it may come to the point that the refugees will simply be shot at the border, they will drown their ships, and they will mine the corridors along the movement of people. Tolerance, humanism and political correctness will be buried in world war. Strengthen the position of the radicals, parochial nationalists. In Europe itself, in the West as a whole, society will be finally divided into castes: 1) owners of property, the “elite” - clan aristocracy, financial and economic clans, owners of TNK-TNB; 2) “citizens” who will cling to remnants of past well-being; 3) “non-citizens” - migrants, including “white slaves” from Eastern Europe, descended “citizens”, etc. The global slave-owning “pyramid” is a “bright future” according to the plans of the owners of the West.

The Fourth World War itself develops as a conflict of civilizations. The North-South confrontation, the Islamic world is confronted with European and Russian civilizations. In the long term, it is possible to connect the states-civilizations of India and China. India can face Pakistan. China will be obliged to intervene if Central Asia is blown up, through which important transport and fuel communications go, as well as the implementation of the leading project of the Celestial Empire, the New Silk Road. It is also possible to intensify the Pacific Front - through the war on the Korean Peninsula, the conflict along the line Japan - China, Vietnam, the Philippines - China, Taiwan - China, India - China. A number of other countries are being drawn into the anti-Chinese alliance, scaring them with the "Chinese threat." The United States is behind the backs of all the opponents of China, but the Americans themselves are not going to the front line, for this there is the "infantry". The United States supports all potential opponents of China, making their ranks. In particular, they pump up the sea, air and expeditionary muscles of Australia, strengthen their positions in South Korea and the Philippines, support the militarization of Japan, etc.

Turkey's role

Turkey has long gone to war (Turkey - the project "Ottoman Empire-2"; New Ottoman Empire). Ankara gradually abandoned the leading line of the previous period - a secular state, where the army is a guarantor of secularism, in favor of the so-called. "Moderate Islamization". Opponents of Islamization in the army were repressed.

Ankara, strengthening its geopolitical positions, army and navy, economy, has become a powerful regional power. At the same time, Turkey launched the project “New Ottoman Empire” (“Ottoman Empire - 2”, “Great Turan”). The Turkish elite built its domestic and foreign policy on three main principles: 1) neo-Ottomanism - with the help of the media, cinema, youth policy, the Turks create idealized ideas about the Ottoman Empire. The idea of ​​a leading, progressive role of Turkey in the Middle East is being introduced. In foreign policy there was an opinion about the need for expansion: to the south-west - in the direction of Syria-Lebanon-Egypt, the south - Iraq and the countries of the Persian Gulf, the east - Transcaucasia. Crimean peninsula and north - the Balkans.

New Pan-Turkism. The Turks worked closely with Azerbaijan, the Crimean Tatars, penetrated into the North Caucasus and the Volga region. Actively mastered Central Asia. Turkey is positioned as the core, center of the Turkic world, the “Great Turan”.

Turkish Eurasianism. Turkey is considered the center of Eurasia, a “bridge” from Asia to Europe, between the Islamic world and Europe. Turkey is currently working on the role of the mediator between China and Europe, as part of the Great Silk Road project.

It should be noted that this ideology was partially developed by the Anglo-Saxons, the days of the “cold war”, when Turkey was planned to be made the leader of the Islamic world, as opposed to the Soviet Union. Ankara modernized this idea. The collapse of such old regional centers of power as Iraq, Syria, Libya, the weakening of Egypt and Iran (which came under sanctions), allowed Turkey to claim the role of leader in the “Caliphate” project, that is, the united Islamic (Sunni) world. Currently, Turkey has entered into an alliance with the second leading center of this project, Saudi Arabia, which heads the Arab monarchy bloc. Turkey and Saudi Arabia want to finish off Syria at the head of Assad, and not allow Iran to restore its position.

The external situation has long been favorable for the Turkish expansion. In the Balkans: Greece "lies", decimated by the economic crisis; Yugoslavia is completely fragmented, and the process of crushing continues. There are powerful and passionate "points of support" - Muslim Albanians, including Kosovo and Bosnians. A powerful influx of Muslim migrants creates an entire "army of chaos." The Slavic world of the Balkans is fragmented, decomposed, "on knives", the elites are Westernized. Europe itself is experiencing a lot of problems, it will soon not be up to the Balkans. The Balkans may well become a new “powder keg” that will blow up southern Europe and create a new Balkan front of world war.

South Caucasus: Georgia is dismembered, its combat potential is close to zero and can easily lose Muslim Ajaria. The problem of Nagorno-Karabakh creates a real possibility of a major war between Azerbaijan and Armenia. And without the help of Russia, Armenia will be crushed.

Crimea, Ukraine: Turkey had a traditional influence on the Crimean Tatars. During the collapse of Ukraine and the reunification of the Crimea with the Russian Federation, Turkey as a whole was neutral, as the Russian Federation and Turkey have strong economic ties. However, after Russia launched a military operation in Syria, the situation changed. Geopolitics, military strategy above and long-term economic interests that can be restructured. From here provocation from Su-24, refusal from public apologies and punishment of those responsible for the incident and further escalation. What caused the most serious crisis between Moscow and Ankara in the entire modern history, since the 1920-s. Therefore, Ankara began to work out the issue of using the Crimean Tatars and Ukraine in the confrontation with Russia.

Iraq and Syria: Turkey actively participated in the dismemberment of these countries, supporting US policy. In Iraq, Turkish troops in recent years regularly conduct "counter-terrorist operations" against Kurdish armed groups. The situation is similar with Syria. At the same time, the Turks plunged headlong into the Syrian war and simply can’t get away from there. Turkey supports a number of different gangs: from "moderate" to radical. There is evidence of links with the "Islamic State" (a banned organization in Russia). Turkey is interested in Turkomans, a nation ethnically close to the Turks. There is a certain economic interest. At the same time, Turkey cannot allow the creation of a Syrian (Western) Kurdistan in the ruins of Syria. This raises the question of Turkish (Eastern) Kurdistan. The Turkish army is already fighting the Kurds on its territory. Syrian Kurdistan will be a springboard for the destruction of Turkey itself.

Kurdish question threatens to destroy Turkey

Not surprisingly, Ankara has set an ultimatum for the United States to choose between Turkey and the terrorist (from a Turkish point of view) Kurdish Democratic Union party. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on Washington to choose either Turkey or the Democratic Union party of the Syrian Kurds as its ally. “How can we trust you? Who are your partners? ”Stated Erdogan. After a pause, the States replied that they did not consider DS to be terrorists. The representative of the US State Department, John Kirby, said that Washington is working with both parties. The representative of the State Department said that the United States does not consider the Democratic Union of Syrian Kurds to be terrorists, but on the contrary, it believes that its members are “effective fighters with ISIS inside Syria”. When asked to clarify who is leading a more effective fight against the IG - Turkey or the Kurds, Kirby again could not make a choice, noting only that "each is useful in its own way."

Ankara's concern is understandable. Kurdish activity is constantly increasing, and with the support of the United States, European countries and Israel. First, Iraqi Kurdistan separated from Iraq de facto. True, Ankara was able to improve relations with Erbil. Then Ankara achieved “historic success” made peace with the Kurdish Workers Party. However, the controversy grew and 25 July 2015, the Kurdistan Workers Party declared that it was impossible to continue a truce with Turkey. Began a new round of confrontation with the Kurds in Turkey. In addition, the Kurdish movement in Syria has intensified, which leads to the emergence of an autonomous Syrian Kurdistan, which becomes the basis for action against Turkey.

If earlier the attention of the Kurds was associated with the IS, now they are increasingly able to act against Turkey. The relations with the “Islamic state” of the Kurds are quite logical: we don’t need someone else’s, but we don’t give up ours. That is, the Kurds fiercely defend their territories in Iraq and Syria, but do not go any further. The period of fierce fighting in Syria, when ISIS troops stubbornly rushed to the north and planned to eliminate the Kurdish bridgeheads along the border, ended. The Syrian Kurds, with the support of the Iraqi Kurds, managed to repel the ISIS offensive near Kobani and drove them back. In Iraq, the picture is about the same: the Kurdish militia groups mostly knocked ISIS out of the territories that they consider their own and have lost their offensive outburst. The Kurds do not want to fight for “foreign” territories. In turn, the IG is more interested in other areas. As a result, the Kurds were intensified, organized, received combat experience and weapon (including from Western countries) now have the time and opportunity to direct efforts towards solving the main task - the creation of an independent Kurdistan. At the same time, new Kurdish authorities, young and uncompromising, rose to this wave, and the positions of the old leaders, who were in compromise with Turkey, were shaken.

The appearance of the rear - Syrian Kurdistan, is of great importance for the Kurds and Turkey. Earlier, when Turkey’s neighbor was strong and united Syria, the Kurds did not have such an opportunity. Damascus itself was suspicious of the Kurds and did not give them any will. Now the Kurds have received a rear where they can prepare operations, replenish units and reserves, leave Turkey in case of danger. Moreover, Turkey itself has created this threat to itself de facto when it took part in the destruction of Syria, and even on the first roles. In Ankara, they forgot that a double-edged sword. Destroying Syria in its geopolitical, military-strategic, economic interests, Ankara simultaneously created the threat of an IG breakthrough to the east, destabilization of the Turkish territory itself, in particular, through the masses of migrants and refugees, and activated the Kurdish movement.

Not surprisingly, the blockade of Aleppo in Ankara is perceived as a “red line”, beyond which Turkey will be forced to take independent steps. With or without the United States and NATO. Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told a meeting of the parliamentary faction of the ruling Justice and Development Party he headed: “We will return our historical duty. Once our brothers from Aleppo defended our cities - Sanliurfa, Gaziantep, Kahramanmaras (during the First World War), now we will defend heroic Aleppo. Behind his defenders are all Turkey. ” In fact, this is a military statement. Behind the promises of the Turkish Prime Minister Davutoglu to “protect” the militant-controlled Syrian city of Aleppo may be the beginning of the creation of a “no-fly zone”, in order to support the opponents of Assad, and a full-scale invasion to create Turkish, and possibly Saudi, influence zones.

Washington understands this perfectly and maintains free hand. The Anglo-Saxons are accustomed to acting with someone else's hands and with the help of someone else's cannon fodder. Ankara simply has nowhere to go. It is impossible to retreat: this is the failure of the policy of all the recent years and the strengthening of the Kurdish positions. This is a destabilization of the internal situation. Erdogan and Davutoglu will show their weakness, they will not forgive their own. However, an open invasion of Syria, even with the support of the Arab monarchies, leads to poorly predictable negative consequences. Turkish intervention is fraught with a clash with Russia: from a local conflict to its escalation into a full-scale war. And this brings the war in the Middle East to a new level and raises the question of the actions of NATO countries and the United States.

At the same time, Washington and London are doing well. On the one hand, they provoke Turkey into invasion and conflict with Russia. The masters of the West will greatly benefit from such a conflict. The fourth world war will reach a new level. Turkey and Russia will be destabilized. And the main goal of the world war is destabilization and the collapse of large national states into small and “independent” state formations. Turkey masters of the West do not mind. According to the principle - the moor did his job, the moor can leave. The collapse of Turkey into parts and the war on its territory quite fit into the global strategy of "divide, poison and rule."

On the other hand, the masters of the West are pushing Turkey into a war, offering it neither help, nor participation, only moral support. It is beneficial for the masters of the West to push Russia and Turkey, and locally in Syria. This leads to the fact that NATO can stay on the sidelines, bringing down further sanctions on Russia and a wave of criticism in the style of “Northern Mordor” attacking “free and democratic” countries.

In this way. The United States and NATO remain free to choose. They can intervene, or they can stand aside, limiting themselves to diplomatic and economic measures. They can intervene much later when Russia and Turkey are exhausted (economy and armed forces), which will allow Kurdistan to be isolated from Turkey, and to organize a “crusade” against Russia, according to the scenario of the Eastern (Crimean) War 1853-1856. And such a scenario is quite possible. This is shown by recent NATO actions to strengthen positions in the East - in the Baltic States, Poland, Romania, the Baltic, and Black Seas. As well as the growth of Russophobia in Finland, Norway and Sweden. At the same time the Baltic Limits, Poland, Romania, Ukraine and Turkey mobilized will act as “infantry”.

Turkey has now virtually no choice: to admit defeat or to send troops. The Turkish leadership was stymied by both the actions of the West and its own policies.

To be continued ...
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  1. The black
    The black 11 February 2016 07: 12
    24
    Turkey has no prospects but to fall apart ...
    1. Blondy
      Blondy 11 February 2016 08: 23
      -16 qualifying.
      On the prospects of Turkey in the Fourth World War

      I do not know what prospects Turkey has in the fourth, but the fact that Russia did not participate in the third world war is for sure, and not a single world war could have done without it.
      What we have now is almost no different from the first cold, except that there were no mass terrorists (thanks to the airplanes), there were more refugees (as the population increased on BV) other names of states where heated conflicts are occurring, and instead of the USSR, Russia is blamed, even the evil empire, in my opinion, remained, only became the empire of Putin
      1. krot
        krot 11 February 2016 09: 49
        11
        It is necessary to arm the Kurds with MANPADS and ATGMs with Bumblebees. And the Turks will quickly merge. I hope it will not come to the use of nuclear weapons against them.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 February 2016 09: 58
          +4
          Yes, ours have already run to equip them with portable anti-aircraft missiles.
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 11 February 2016 10: 40
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Yes, ours already ran to arm them

            Personally seen?
            Quote: Vadim237
            man-portable anti-aircraft missiles.

            And how many porters do you need per rocket?
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            2. Petrik66
              Petrik66 11 February 2016 13: 01
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              two + security.
          2. Voice of the Mind
            Voice of the Mind 11 February 2016 11: 13
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            Until the constitution is rigidly written (as it was with all the kings):
            - the status of Russian culture and the Russian language as the main state-forming factors in the Russian Federation
            - the historical mission of the Russian people as the creator of Russia

            the danger of Russia's collapse into national pseudo-states of the 1991 type will remain.
            Americans talk about this openly, as an example, Geopolitical forecast from Stratfor for 2015-2025 http://inosmi.ru/politic/20160203/235274311.html
            1. marna
              marna 12 February 2016 01: 44
              +1
              Quote: Voice of Mind
              Geopolitical forecast from Stratfor for 2015-2025 http://inosmi.ru/politic/20160203/235274311.html

              It's funny Great American dream - everything is bad for everyone, only the USA is ok.
            2. Azzzwer
              Azzzwer 12 February 2016 13: 36
              -1
              Quote: Voice of Mind
              Until the constitution is rigidly written (as it was with all the kings):

              laughing laughing laughing did you understand what you wrote ???
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 11 February 2016 10: 30
          -1
          Quote: krot
          It is necessary to arm the Kurds with MANPADS and ATGMs with Bumblebees.

          Do not forget the Khibiny and Caliber!
          1. Vyatsky
            Vyatsky 11 February 2016 10: 44
            +7
            This is useful to us. laughing
        3. would
          would 11 February 2016 12: 13
          +5
          Not so simple. The same Workers' Party of Kurdistan is very firmly supported by the United States, if not controlled at all. Providing them with weapons can lead to extremely unpleasant consequences.
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      3. Blondy
        Blondy 11 February 2016 12: 33
        0
        So many minuses. Sorry that I spat in my soul, probably, someone really wanted to feel like a participant in the third world lying on the couch.
      4. olegactor
        olegactor 11 February 2016 18: 24
        +1
        if you really are blonde ... then there are no comments ... the whole mind in the hair ... write such nonsense
    2. max702
      max702 11 February 2016 13: 59
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      They can intervene much later when Russia and Turkey are exhausted (the economy and the armed forces),
      This is the most important conclusion of the article! Therefore, in order to prevent this scenario, I consider it necessary to act quickly and decisively in case of the outbreak of a conflict with Turkey! Namely, striking with tactical nuclear weapons, 100 cruise missiles with 10-50 kT warheads will nullify Turkey’s military potential within 1-2 hours, thereby mixing the cards with world puppeteers .. All other actions will lead to the consequences that were made in the conclusions of this article .. At present, our country does not have the resources to conduct a long-term conflict by ordinary means, the Western world will do everything to prevent them from appearing in the future (sanctions, Ukraine, agents of influence in the government, etc.). We don’t need anything in Turkey today! Accordingly, it makes no sense to send soldiers there, bombing into the Stone Age will not work too costly and for too long, so only tactical nuclear weapons .. All the claims that this will lead to a nuclear war throughout the earth are complete nonsense, because it will destroy all the plans of the world elite completely and completely! If you don’t press the buttons, and later changing the strategy to try to achieve the desired result, there are options, then if you build a nuclear fox there are no options from the word at all .. Accordingly, no one will harness for Turkey, plus this will be the strongest hint to the remaining vassals of the West what will happen to them in case of meeting the requirements of the recommendations of the owners ..
      1. Sailor
        Sailor 11 February 2016 16: 27
        +7
        I completely agree with you, and I’ll subscribe to the last offer as many as 100 times, NATO will be indignant and shut up, and showing our determination will sober them up from the lullaby that the United States sings to them.
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 11 February 2016 17: 24
        -1
        Quote: max702
        Namely, striking with nuclear weapons, 100 cruise missiles with 10-50 kT warheads

        Orderlies and a dropper urgently !!! :-)
      3. 0895055116
        0895055116 11 February 2016 18: 53
        -5
        Dear sir! You forget ONE important circumstance - Turkey is a member of NATO and in the event you propose a strike by TNW, WE - RUSSIA will find ourselves in a state of WAR NOT ONLY WITH TURKEY, BUT WITH NATO AND MATROSNESIA-USA! And FASHINGTON WANTS TO PURCHASE THIS FOR THIS - DRAW RUSSIA INTO THE GLOBAL FIGHT, and the mattresses? The mattresses themselves are unlikely to crawl into a fight, they have enough vassals and minions for this.
        1. UZBEK TASHKENT
          UZBEK TASHKENT 11 February 2016 21: 05
          10
          Monsieur! Nato shamefully gets rid of his penis and shut up in a castrated state. 100500 must be beaten, what is happening now is a manifestation of weakness. They laugh at us and throw firewood. Only a lightning strike on the military infrastructure of the Turks with calibers will give Russia another 70-80 years to fully get on its feet and raise the economy, science and, ultimately, the army. This time we will not be given through the languid bombing of Syria. There are also Svidomo, further ignite Central Asia. Russia will not pull so much TVD. Beat decisively and hard.
        2. max702
          max702 11 February 2016 23: 55
          +4
          Quote: 0895055116
          The mattresses themselves are unlikely to crawl into a fight, they have enough vassals and minions for this.

          So you answered your question .. The mattress-beds will not climb, and the vassals will see what happened to one of them .. That’s what sober everyone else from rash actions, we can repeat for the most dull ones ..
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 11 February 2016 20: 10
        0
        Ours, if there is a warrior with Turkey, will not use nuclear weapons against the Turks.
      5. Pavelm
        Pavelm 12 February 2016 06: 10
        0
        if this happened, then for all the world media it would be
        "Russia treacherously attacked and destroyed (all) Turkey !!!" .... for example, because of the Bosphorus
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 11 February 2016 18: 05
      +3
      After the fourth in place of Turkey, Great Armenia will remain until the Black Sea and Kurdistan.
  2. Telemon
    Telemon 11 February 2016 07: 16
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    Uv fellow got:"Turkey now has practically no choice: admit defeat or send troops. The Turkish leadership is driven into a corner by both the actions of the West and its own policy ..." Article this Edogran on the table.
  3. venaya
    venaya 11 February 2016 07: 18
    10
    Turkey has practically no choice now

    Turks do not need NATO, they expect to get more money in the form of defeating Russia, and we need to take this scenario into account.
    1. SSR
      SSR 11 February 2016 08: 32
      +8
      Quote: venaya
      Turkey has practically no choice now

      Turks do not need NATO, they expect to get more money in the form of defeating Russia, and we need to take this scenario into account.

      But behind all the scenarios, the specter of the use of nuclear weapons looms. If the West drives Russia into a "corner" by the hands of the limitrophes, then, in my opinion, Russia will be forced to pull out the teeth of the TY lymphophies with weapons aimed at the Western countries, primarily London, New York, Berlin ......... . and so on down the list. Although I really hope that people will come to their senses, or rather the "elite" of the Western countries.
      1. Master
        Master 11 February 2016 21: 16
        0
        It’s as if the countries of Eurova and the United States do not have Yao ..
        1. SSR
          SSR 12 February 2016 23: 10
          0
          Quote: Master
          It’s as if the countries of Eurova and the United States do not have Yao ..

          And now think again! Is the game worth the candle after nuclear exchange. So understandable?
    2. Villon
      Villon 11 February 2016 14: 45
      +2
      Well, where are there no NATO interests? They even began to divide other planets.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 11 February 2016 07: 21
    12
    Well, the Cold War officially started in 1946, after Fulton, not 1945, but then take laughing .
    Surprisingly, I almost agree with this article by Samsonov. Without going into details, we can conclude about the zugzwang of Turkey, where Erdogan and Davutoglu drove her. And they continue to drive them further, although it is already clear that any gesture will lead Turkey either to "loss of face", or to military defeat, or to both in the worst case. Moreover, it will not wait for support from NATO, especially if it once again tries to somehow strike at our military, be it an air base or ships in the Mediterranean.
    But everything was simple - apologize for the plane, admit your own stupidity, but everything would be forgotten at the official level. Unofficially, no, but bilateral relations would be preserved. And now the consequences will be bad anyway. And yes, to be Kurdistan. And there, and before the revision of the 1921 agreement, it is not far.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 11 February 2016 17: 26
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      And yes, to be Kurdistan.

      Attention is the question - why is there still no Kurdistan? Syrian Kurds are like poor relatives - there is little land, too much money, Iraqi ones on the contrary, and the territory is large and with money, thanks to the oil business, and they will not share with anyone, therefore they will not need to unite, the Iranians are still looking at all this from the side , they want to see also with the money. Kurdistan is a contention for at least five countries - Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, and oddly enough for Russia
  5. Olfred
    Olfred 11 February 2016 07: 25
    +7
    13 wars with the Turks, and so did not learn anything ... God forbid, but we can explain 14 times that they are wrong. hi
    1. Minstrel
      Minstrel 11 February 2016 08: 54
      15
      Quote: OlfRed
      13 wars with the Turks, and so did not learn anything ... God forbid, but we can explain 14 times that they are wrong.

      It only needs to be done so that this fourteenth time is the last. Using a slightly modified well-known saying: there is no country - there are no problems with it. am
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 11 February 2016 12: 06
        +5
        Quote: Minstrel
        Only it is necessary to make this the fourteenth time the last
        - and return to the historical homeland of the Byzantine Christians!
      2. Olfred
        Olfred 11 February 2016 12: 11
        +1
        and that would be discouraging for others in this example)
      3. sa-ag
        sa-ag 11 February 2016 17: 32
        -1
        Quote: Minstrel
        Using a slightly modified well-known saying: there is no country - there are no problems with it.

        You’re better at computer games and it’s dangerous even in virtuality to practice massacres of civilians
        1. Minstrel
          Minstrel 11 February 2016 22: 17
          +1
          Quote: sa-ag
          You’re better at computer games and it’s dangerous even in virtuality to practice massacres of civilians

          And who is talking about the massacres of civilians? No need to juggle. Was the liquidation of the USSR accompanied by massacres? But, nevertheless, there is no country. Another question is that the collapse that followed in all spheres pulled victims with it. But they were not taken out and placed against the "wall", in the truest sense of the word. Well, as you know: the forest is cut - the chips fly.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 11 February 2016 07: 37
    +3
    The Turkish leadership is driven into a corner by both Western actions and its own policies. ..By the way, it is a very convenient opportunity for the West, that way, with a "light movement" of the hand, to get rid of Turkey, remove a competitor and dampen the ambitions of Turkey .., and later, to take tight control .. Turkey, a long time ago a bone in the throat of Europe .. but hands somehow didn't reach ... all the same a NATO member ..
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 11 February 2016 11: 39
      +8
      By the way, it is a very convenient opportunity for the West to do away with Turkey with a "light movement" of the hand, remove a competitor and dampen Turkey's ambitions ... and subsequently, take it under tight control ..

      so I have such thoughts about Turkey. sometimes in a chess game sacrifice a large piece, to win or deter the opponent. Turkey is not pulling for the queen, but it will pass for the elephant, moreover, the one that is in the china shop.
  7. Mera joota
    Mera joota 11 February 2016 07: 38
    -8
    Turkish Eurasianism. It should be noted that part of this ideology is the development of the Anglo-Saxons, the times of the Cold War

    Well, how could it be without the Anglo-Saxons that the Turks themselves could not think of it, they are inferior in the opinion of the author ...
    Seriously, the idea of ​​the Turkic world is not new and the Anglo-Saxons have nothing to do with it, with the same success we can say that the Slavic world is the ideology of the Anglo-Saxons. The Turkic world is much older than the Slavic and it is foolish to believe that the Turks will not use their community for any purpose, political, economic and religious.

    If earlier the Kurds' attention was connected with the Islamic State, now they are increasingly able to act against Turkey.

    The issue of relations between Turkey and the IG-Kurds shows that Turkey’s support for the IS group (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation ... got this prefix) is more contrived. If Erdogan supported them, then he would have dealt a crushing blow to the Kurds at that moment as the blacks crushed the Kurds, the Kurds could not fight on two fronts. Turks with IS would crush the Kurds without any problems, and US assistance would not help here.

    Damascus itself was suspicious of the Kurds and did not give them free will.

    Here it is ... so Damascus did not consider Kurds for people ever and the Kurdish uprising against Assad began at the same time as the civil war in Syria began, or rather the Kurdish uprising is part of the rebellion against Assad. Therefore, there can be no cooperation between Assad and the Kurds.

    Turkey now has practically no choice: admit defeat or send troops.

    Yes of course.
    Russia has proposed a ceasefire in Syria on March 1, Reuters reports citing Western officials.
    Read more at RBC:
    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/02/2016/56bba3169a7947d954ed92c3

    The Turks prepared to bring in troops from the north, and the coalition of Saudis from the south, with the troops ready, the Saudis are already in Jordan. And here Russia proposes to "cease fire", perhaps in order not to face the choice of "admit defeat or send troops"?

    The Turkish leadership is driven into a corner by both Western actions and its own policies.

    Now this is the hobbyhorse of propagandists, "Turkey (Erdogan) is driven into a corner!" ... Judging by Erdogan's speeches, who openly conceals both the United States and Russia, he does not know about it ...
    1. Vyatsky
      Vyatsky 11 February 2016 10: 50
      +4
      The Turks prepared to bring in troops from the north, and the coalition of Saudis from the south, with the troops ready, the Saudis are already in Jordan. And here Russia proposes to "cease fire", perhaps in order not to face the choice of "admit defeat or send troops"?
      Why then do the Turks and Saudis shout that they are ready to send troops in coordination with the United States? Himself something stupid probably?
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 11 February 2016 11: 02
        +1
        Quote: Vyatka
        Why then do the Turks and Saudis shout that they are ready to send troops in coordination with the United States? Himself something stupid probably?

        So who inflicts air strikes then? USA. Do you think the US is not aware of the plans of the Turks and Saudis? Of course in the know, but everyone is waiting not for US approval (this is a screen), but for Putin’s reaction. Apparently he reacted, although of course there is little information, the next week will be found out for sure.
        A ceasefire is certainly good, but the "blacks" were not included in the negotiation process, and without them a ceasefire simply cannot be ensured ...
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 11 February 2016 16: 13
        0
        Quote: Vyatka
        Himself probably?
        Well, probably not just once Su-24 was shot down ..?!
        Quote: Vyatka
        Why, then, both the Turks and the Saudis are screaming that they are ready to send troops in coordination with the United States?
        Warn beforehand, as in the case of a downed plane. Well, Putin, if then he could not proportionally respond and swallow here ..
        "New Pimadorkas" © lol
  8. Leprekon
    Leprekon 11 February 2016 07: 40
    20
    I could not take my eyes off the map - the Armenian Highlands, Mount Ararat .... Kars, Ardagan, Ardvin and Surmalu? After all, this is the territory of the Russian Empire and under the peace treaty of 1921, Turkey did not fulfill its obligations!
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 11 February 2016 15: 38
      +1
      ..... Could not take his eyes off the map - Armenian Highlands, Mount Ararat .... Kars, Ardagan, Ardvin and Surmalu? After all, this is the territory of the Russian Empire and under the peace treaty of 1921, Turkey did not fulfill its obligations! ....

      ..... If they will behave as they are now, then in the near future we will press ...... laughing laughing laughing
  9. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 11 February 2016 07: 45
    14
    Judging by the map, everywhere around Turkey is a mess in all countries. Not to mention the Kurds.
  10. shultc
    shultc 11 February 2016 07: 46
    +7
    God forbid these scenarios come true!
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 February 2016 07: 47
    +5
    New Ottomanism led the Turkish leadership to a standstill. I agree with the author, there are only two exits left, and both are bad. But the military exit is very bad. A fire will catch fire right in Turkey.
  12. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 11 February 2016 08: 16
    11
    Vague doubts torment me that the fart, though frostbitten, would risk suicide. The mattress publicly declared that they would not harness for it! They lie, as usual, but I think there will be no war in the near future.

    Better let them tell when I will judge the hunchbacked and ebony? Without demonstrative lawsuits and an official condemnation of this bacchanalia - hunchbacking, a damn thing will come of nothing good. Axiom.

    And instead of such vague analytics, I recommend the work of Alexei Efimovich Edrikhin (Vandam). Do not come off - you eat candy.
  13. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 11 February 2016 08: 21
    12
    Putin does not want to communicate with Erdoan, and this is an unspoken break in diplomatic relations.
    Anglo-Saxons are not as scary as they seem, their strength is mainly in the image they created.
    Powerlessness in the issue of migrants says a lot.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 11 February 2016 10: 07
      25
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      Anglo-Saxons are not as scary as they seem
      The Anglo-Saxons are much scarier than they seem. The entire modern world of capitalism, their native "casino", with their rules of the game. They went to their leadership from the very emergence of capitalism. They were threatened by Napoleon, challenged by the ambitious French bourgeoisie after the Great French Revolution - they helped to kill Paul I, who became an ally of Napoleon, and they put together and substituted Russia, Austria and Prussia in their place. They cash in on the victory, in "gratitude", then, responding to Russia with the Crimean War with a new coalition. The growing German capitalism began to threaten the domination, they formed a new alliance, again remembered about Russia, lent money, dragged into the Entente. As a result of the First World War, there was no one left from competitors to the throne of capitalism in Europe, all four main continental empires collapsed, but the British Empire won again, remained alive and well. If there were no Bolsheviks, the British would be completely happy with a puppet, pro-Western government in Russia after the collapse of the monarchy, but a new pole of power, socialism, the Soviet Union has appeared. What the Anglo-Saxons are doing is creating an anti-Russia on the basis of Germany, defeated and bound by the restrictions of Versailles, where the Nazis, led by Hitler, are the antipode of communism. The Second World War was also the first attempt to end the new socialist system beyond the control of the West. It was not possible to mutually destroy Germany and the USSR, the Soviet Union held out, it is not surprising that immediately after the end of World War II (where the Anglo-Saxons, not without the help of the USSR, finished off the last strong empire in the East, Japan), the Cold War began. Cashing in on two wars, the overseas miscarriage of Britain and the United States also rose. Now they want to kill us again with someone else's hands, which is what the article says. All offended by God, will go to cannon fodder against Russia (which survived after Yeltsin), including the Ukrainians, with this new anti-Russia as Dill. "Powerlessness in the issue of migrants", this is so conceived, migrants, who did not come to the United States. The Anglo-Saxons do not need a strong and independent Europe as much as a possible competitor for their throne.
      1. forumow
        forumow 14 February 2016 12: 11
        0
        In the current situation, Russia needs to offer Turkey’s alliance and its withdrawal from NATO, as the long-term policy of the latter is directed against Turkey as well!
  14. Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry 11 February 2016 08: 26
    +8
    Stop calling the Third World War cold. What kind of kindergarten? She is cold and cold.
  15. Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry 11 February 2016 08: 28
    +2
    Stop calling the Third World War cold. What kind of kindergarten? She is cold and cold.
    1. iouris
      iouris 11 February 2016 23: 58
      -2
      What war in a row is the tenth question, how to count.
      It is being conducted throughout the territory of the former USSR at our expense, with our weapons, our people are dying, our resources go to the West.
      A bit of theory.
      The Cold War is a form of peaceful coexistence between two antagonistic world systems.
      The Cold War ended with the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact Organization.
      With the current level of globalization of the economy, a cold war is impossible.
      The imperialist RF has an alternative: limited hot war for markets, or dissolution and decay.
  16. semirek
    semirek 11 February 2016 08: 31
    +6
    The article is somewhat chaotic,
    Turkey is different now - it cannot be raised by new Ottomanism, and she doesn’t need it, Erdogan has his own small theater, where he puts on his performances for his audience, ordinary Turks don’t go to these shows, and it’s unlikely that ordinary Turks are eager to fight for Erdogan, but dissatisfaction with them is growing in the country. Is Erdogan resolving to military action? And for what and with whom? For the sake of Europe? For the sake of America? -it is ridiculous, but to lose its territory, or even the whole country, is quite possible.
  17. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 11 February 2016 08: 33
    +3
    In one I do not agree with the author:
    At the same time, one of the main tasks is the disposal of “excess biomass” up to 500 million - 1-2 billion people.
    What about consumers? Who will ensure the wealth of the "new elite"?
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 11 February 2016 10: 06
      +3
      Quote: Nikolay71
      Who will ensure the wealth of the "new elite"?

      A month ago, there was information that 1% of people concentrated 99% of all wealth at home and they would feel very good.
      The wealth of 1% of people exceeded the condition of the rest ...
      forbes.ru ›news / 310531-bogatstvo ... prevysilo ... 99 ... zemli
      The fortune of 72 million people of the richest people in the world (1% of the world's population) reached $ 125 trillion this year and exceeded the rest of the world, Oxfam claims with reference to Credit Suisse.
    2. ruAlex
      ruAlex 11 February 2016 10: 07
      +1
      So they are slaves without rights. Due to them, well-being will be ensured.
    3. atlantida04
      atlantida04 11 February 2016 12: 16
      +3
      At the same time, one of the main tasks is the disposal of “excess biomass” up to 500 million - 1-2 billion people.
      What about consumers? Who will ensure the wealth of the "new elite"?

      Electronics "robots will work, not humans"
      the rest will be consumers.
    4. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 11 February 2016 16: 39
      +4
      Quote: Nikolay71
      What about consumers? Who will ensure the wealth of the "new elite"?

      Consumers are the side of "PAYMENT CAPABLE demand". Therefore, the goal is to remove the extra NON-PAYABLE biomass, and to leave the solvent one as a slave foundation of the Masonic pyramid.
  18. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 11 February 2016 08: 38
    +5
    why are Abkhazia and South Ossetia a part of Georgia on the map?
    This is what kind of liberal drew her? (Liberal - not in the sense of political orientation .. :)
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 11 February 2016 09: 11
      +6
      Quote: kunstkammer
      why are Abkhazia and South Ossetia a part of Georgia on the map?

      It is rightly noticed, and the unrecognized Turkish republic in the north of Cyprus has designated!
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    4. Telemon
      Telemon 11 February 2016 09: 35
      +5
      Quote: kunstkammer
      why are Abkhazia and South Ossetia a part of Georgia on the map?

      Mishiko Odessa was engaged in coloring, soon he could only afford it. It was already, he liked:
  19. standing
    standing 11 February 2016 08: 49
    +6
    But what is this "shadow world elite" that wants to become global rulers? They talk to us all the time, but somehow abstractly, veiled. These are not presidents, definitely. Sound the list: names, addresses, real estate, relatives, etc. Maybe themselves ... that? Sorry for the intolerance.
  20. uskrabut
    uskrabut 11 February 2016 08: 54
    +7
    I liked, analytically, put +.
    It’s time for Erdogan to understand that he is a bargaining chip for the West, and no one will really support his plans. Stupidly playing the sink of Turkey. In this situation, the Turks simply need to reverse: repent to Russia, merge bandits in Syria, resume economic ties with Russia, and if possible, the military. Otherwise, Erdogan will end.
    1. Alexandr-NVR
      Alexandr-NVR 11 February 2016 12: 19
      +2
      Quote: uskrabut
      In this situation, the Turks simply need to reverse: repent to Russia, merge bandits in Syria, resume economic ties with Russia, and if possible, the military. Otherwise, Erdogan will end.

      This is too late to do. In the sense of solving the problems of both foreign and domestic policy.
      For some reason, I recalled the same-party member of Erdogan - Mursi ....
      Erdogan really periodically cleans the command of the army, but is it really all right? )))
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 11 February 2016 16: 49
        0
        Quote: Alexandr-NVR
        This is too late to do. In the sense of solving the problems of both foreign and domestic policy

        Better late than never.
        Erdogan's political survival is the drain of IS, a break with the Matrix, withdrawal from NATO - and as a result - normalization of relations with Russia, rapprochement with the SCO, and in a strategic perspective - and joining the EAEU and the CSTO. Then Turkey will be able to claim the role of the leader of the "Turkic-speaking Islamic world." Following the policy of the West is historically death for Turkey. From this point of view, the article put all the accents correctly.
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 11 February 2016 16: 49
        +1
        Quote: Alexandr-NVR
        This is too late to do. In the sense of solving the problems of both foreign and domestic policy

        Better late than never.
        Erdogan's political survival is the drain of IS, a break with the Matrix, withdrawal from NATO - and as a result - normalization of relations with Russia, rapprochement with the SCO, and in a strategic perspective - and joining the EAEU and the CSTO. Then Turkey will be able to claim the role of the leader of the "Turkic-speaking Islamic world." Following the policy of the West is historically death for Turkey. From this point of view, the article put all the accents correctly.
  21. Tusv
    Tusv 11 February 2016 08: 58
    +4
    After the Crimean scenario, the gentlemen will send money to the impudents, but they won’t go to war.
    Great Turan say, access to the ocean. Yes easily. We are kind. Security, photo villas with polar bears on the coast at the expense of Russian taxpayers.
  22. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 11 February 2016 09: 04
    +3
    He put the article to the advantage, but the main question remained unresolved - what should we do if the Turks nevertheless climb into Syria? And anyway - I looked at the map - there is that Turkey .. If it weren’t for a NATO member, there’s nothing to talk about ..
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 11 February 2016 09: 12
      +8
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      I looked at the map - that Turkey was there ... If it weren’t for the NATO member, there’s nothing to talk about ..

      In this case - "small bug, but smelly."
  23. unknown
    unknown 11 February 2016 09: 22
    +1
    The Ottoman Empire is the heiress of the Roman Empire (Byzantium), the only real power of the so-called Ancient World and the early Middle Ages.

    But the Turks are not shining the Ottoman Empire. The New Empire Will Be Iran. Turkey may become an Imperial double, Shadow of the Empire.
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 11 February 2016 12: 11
      +2
      Quote: ignoto
      The Ottoman Empire, the heir to the Roman Empire (Byzantium)
      - if forced exile can be called a legacy ...
  24. Maegrom
    Maegrom 11 February 2016 09: 25
    0
    The word "Romanization" has a different meaning from "Romanization". The Romanization of Moldova does not shine.
  25. -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 11 February 2016 09: 39
    +8
    analysts zero, some cliches.
    I never saw why the war between Russia and Turkey is inevitable
    Since the author contradicts himself, the notorious Anglo-Saxons will not provide any support for Turkey, i.e. Russia will fight with Turkey, and not with NATO, then suddenly a world war (in the title).
    What kind of world is this if 2 sides are fighting on a local site?
    possible scenarios of such a clash are not described, and "the prospects of Turkey in the 4th world" are not understood
    in short, not
  26. lexx2038
    lexx2038 11 February 2016 09: 48
    +2
    Turks, Kurds, others - these are all "sheep", it is necessary to drown first of all the Anglo-Saxons, Great Britain, this is the root of evil on earth. Flush them into the ocean in no time, and no fallen woman dares to utter a cry. And there will be a lesson that there is nothing eternal in the world.
  27. cap
    cap 11 February 2016 10: 03
    +6
    "Turkey now has practically no choice: admit defeat or send in troops. The Turkish leadership is driven into a corner by both the actions of the West and its own policies."
  28. Achilles
    Achilles 11 February 2016 10: 12
    +4
    In the event of a conflict between Russia and Turkey, NATO and the United States will not intervene, they will not risk their citizens, they understand that if they interfere this means a nuclear war, and then no one will go to it, especially because of Turkey
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 11 February 2016 10: 33
      +1
      Quote: Achilles
      In the event of a conflict between Russia and Turkey, NATO and the United States will not intervene, they will not risk their citizens, they understand that if they interfere this means a nuclear war, and then no one will go to it, especially because of Turkey

      In the war for the same Fokland, NATO members, in principle, only morally supported Britain, I am sure that Turkey will throw NATO in the Middle East, set up and throw.
  29. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 11 February 2016 10: 13
    +4
    Before, when Syria’s neighbor was strong and united Syria,

    Author, have you ever read your article ???
  30. sledge
    sledge 11 February 2016 10: 14
    -2
    Campaign to the Turks of Khan! We reached it! How now to get out of the situation in which they drove themselves?
  31. partizan86
    partizan86 11 February 2016 11: 29
    +2
    If it comes to the point, then Turkey disappears from the map, forever. To seize the place of storage of American nuclear weapons with the most fierce special forces, load the charges in a transport carrier and return to the owners, which will politically disarm the west. So that Azerbaijan is not very upset, they need a small piece of the former empire. Take the straits for yourself, divide the rest between Armenia, Georgia, Greece and the Kurds. As a result, we are full of supportive neighbors and the rise of international authority. The Americans will not fit in for them, that's why I’m sure. The main thing is to do everything so that the Turkish people are not strained, not giving them a reason to start a guerrilla war.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 11 February 2016 12: 43
      +2
      Quote: partizan86
      steel split between Armenia, Georgia, Greece and the Kurds.

      And for the Georgians, why, for the portrait of Stalin chtoli ?!
      1. partizan86
        partizan86 11 February 2016 14: 30
        +2
        In general, it makes no difference, at least for this :) But the termination of the friendship treaty with Turkey in 1921 implies the cancellation of the donation of the last land in favor of the former owners.
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 11 February 2016 17: 06
        0
        Quote: Tatar 174
        And for the Georgians, why, for the portrait of Stalin chtoli ?!

        Do you propose to pinch Georgia between Greater Armenia and Russia?
      3. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 11 February 2016 17: 06
        0
        Quote: Tatar 174
        And for the Georgians, why, for the portrait of Stalin chtoli ?!

        Do you propose to pinch Georgia between Greater Armenia and Russia?
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 11 February 2016 17: 01
      0
      Quote: partizan86
      So that Azerbaijan is not very upset, they need a small piece of the former empire. Take the straits for yourself, divide the rest between Armenia, Georgia, Greece and the Kurds.

      Quite a lot of territory remains - it means there will be something like "Seljuki-stana"
      This also applies to the thesis about the occupation regime (from Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan) -

      Quote: partizan86
      so that the Turkish people are not bothered, not giving them a reason to start a guerrilla war


      It is interesting - where were these invaders so that they would not "strain the local population"?
      1. partizan86
        partizan86 12 February 2016 00: 26
        0
        To the best of. And then someone will get into a rage, they say remember how you are us. And he, of course, does not remember, it was not then. Although the war does not keep track.
    3. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 11 February 2016 17: 01
      0
      Quote: partizan86
      So that Azerbaijan is not very upset, they need a small piece of the former empire. Take the straits for yourself, divide the rest between Armenia, Georgia, Greece and the Kurds.

      Quite a lot of territory remains - it means there will be something like "Seljuki-stana"
      This also applies to the thesis about the occupation regime (from Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan) -

      Quote: partizan86
      so that the Turkish people are not bothered, not giving them a reason to start a guerrilla war


      It is interesting - where were these invaders so that they would not "strain the local population"?
  32. fa2998
    fa2998 11 February 2016 11: 40
    +1
    Quote: Black
    Turkey has no prospects but to fall apart ...

    It will collapse or not fall apart, but Russia will not receive straits. Nearby are NATO-Bulgaria and Greece members. NATO will not miss its chance. hi
  33. triglav
    triglav 11 February 2016 11: 41
    0
    It seems that Erdogan is not one to go to war on Russia. The Americans will not stand up for him. But Europe, by and large, has nothing to fight. Yes, and they are now concerned about refugees. Not before the war. So Turkey will be a khan. Moreover, military operations will be conducted on its territory.
  34. Belousov
    Belousov 11 February 2016 12: 14
    +4
    The states will not directly support the Turks, but the hands of the Balts, kaklov and other cannon fodder are quite possible. And there will be no direct reason for striking fascington, and it is a pity to spend missiles on these mongrels. And there is no need here la-la from the series "yes, we will wash America off the face of the earth", etc. There will also be a retaliatory strike and our losses will be very large. In addition, do not forget that our missiles are aimed at strategic objects, and the US missiles are aimed at cities, they expect to win and not spend money later on restoring the captured territory.
    I am most worried about the following question - will there be an order for an armed and harsh response to all provocateurs? It seems to me that here a lot will depend on our elites. But are they ours or not? Well, I don’t believe that Abramovich, Chubais, Sich, Medvedev, Gref and other Kudrins with the Nabiullins would risk “honestly looted” for the sake of Russia, but I don’t believe it!
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 12 February 2016 13: 51
      0
      Quote: Belousov
      Well, I don’t believe it!

      You do it right!
  35. Bakht
    Bakht 11 February 2016 12: 35
    +5
    The article is almost a plus. All that is listed, in principle, is true. Except for the last phrase (therefore, ALMOST plus). Turkey is not cornered. Turkey Erdogan (please note that I see the difference between Turkey and Erdogan) has a very clear policy. Consistent and clear. The fact that financial capital needs a war is not a fortune-teller. But a small war does not solve problems. Well, what kind of war in the Donbass or Syria? Now, if you drag Russia into the war, then you can write off a lot. And you can even make money. It was not possible to drag the Russian Federation into the war in Ukraine. Therefore, they will actively drag in Syria.

    And the war there is already on the verge. That's why wild attacks on the Russian Federation in the press began. An informational background is being prepared. And if there was a clash of Russian and Turkish forces in Syria, the West (NATO) will immediately change rhetoric and fully support Turkey. And the first will be Merkel. Erdogan is certainly a scoundrel, but he is not crazy. And not. Fools and madmen by definition do not reach such posts. And if he goes to aggravate the situation, then he is sure of support. At least the USA.

    The states may well postpone the Kurdistan project if it becomes possible to push Turkey and the Russian Federation into conflict. Options are possible. As the saying goes, "it's not that simple." Or "it's not that simple." The words are the same but the meaning is different.
  36. Ruslan Shevela
    Ruslan Shevela 11 February 2016 12: 46
    0
    Something is really quite the author of the paint thickens, the situation is difficult, no doubt, but we also have trump cards, and the same Azerbaijan is friendly towards us, like a significant part of the population of the former Soviet republics, our task is to conduct our policy correctly and not succumb to provocations- http://kaspiy.az/news.php?id=37042#.VrqG16b9XqB
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 11 February 2016 13: 05
      +2
      No need to build illusions. Azerbaijan is friendly towards Turkey. But this does not mean that Azerbaijan dreams of joining the fight of heavyweights on any side. We can limit ourselves to sympathy and attempts at peacekeeping steps. We will deeply regret what happened and will call for a peaceful resolution to the conflict. By the way, Erdogan in a week meets with Aliyev in Ganja. What they will talk about - I was not informed. No.
      1. Ruslan Shevela
        Ruslan Shevela 11 February 2016 21: 28
        0
        Well, what prevents Azerbaijan from being friendly towards both Turkey and Russia? In my opinion, a sound position is that Aliyev strives to maintain normal relations with all the major neighbors; in this case, he is not a party to the conflict.
  37. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 11 February 2016 12: 47
    0
    If Turkey blocks the passage of Russian vessels through the strait, then Russia may block the entry of NATO military vessels into the Black Sea. It will not take much effort.
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 12 February 2016 13: 48
      0
      Quote: Pvi1206
      If Turkey blocks the passage of Russian vessels through the strait, then Russia may block the entry of NATO military vessels into the Black Sea. It will not take much effort.
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      Do you know where Russia is, and where is the entrance to the Black Sea?
  38. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 11 February 2016 12: 53
    +4
    In my opinion, our entire calculation is based on the fact that they will not risk starting a war. So to speak, the game is on the verge of a foul. What if they start? So what? Is our country ready for war? Are people ready? Or do we have such trump cards that no one can beat? Go outside and ask how many of them are ready to fight? One can’t get away with the bombing of the air forces. I am for an independent and independent Russia. And I know the price. Are everyone ready to pay this price.
  39. Petrik66
    Petrik66 11 February 2016 13: 10
    +3
    Russia is not ready for a major war. The people will not understand - and for what ... for the sake of the Syrians we got into a full-scale war with NATO? Turkey is a NATO country, in 1914, Germany very much hoped that England would not fit in for Belgium, in 1939, Germany very much hoped that England would not fit in for Poland! Fitted both times and piled on Germany. The game is on the verge of a foul - and you can play too much. Start a war over Aleppo? Everyone is yelling, hitting themselves in the chest, smearing snot on their bristly muzzles and calling the "world community" in the form of the EU and the USA as witnesses. Nobody will support us - the Chinese will simply be delighted when they begin to freeze our accounts, property, etc. It is necessary to be more careful, otherwise Erdogan is not Kennedy, he can hit him like Mishiko, and then think if he still has something to think about.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 11 February 2016 13: 55
      12
      "Fitted both times and piled on Germany." - This is when and where exactly Britain piled on Germany? In which of the parallel worlds? In WW1, Britain excelled only at sea. In the period of 2 MW it was even worse - the Czech Republic was thrown, Poland was thrown, and France was thrown, draped to Dunkirk, then they sat on the islands, in North Africa the British were actually defeated by Rommel and were preparing to surrender Cairo (it would have been, if the Americans hadn't got in there ). Since the days of the Black Prince, Britain hasn't piled anything on anyone. Participate in stammering the defeated crowd, yes. Even the victory at Waterloo, the British were forced to share with the Prussians. And pretzels from American colonists are generally a disgrace.
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 11 February 2016 17: 38
      +4
      Quote: Petrik66
      The people will not understand - but for what .... for the sake of the Syrians we entered a full-scale war

      for the sake of "Gazprom - dreams come true" :-)
      1. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 12 February 2016 13: 47
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        Quote: sa-ag
        for the sake of "Gazprom - dreams come true" :-)

        yes, dreams come true ... or don't come true
  40. engineer
    engineer 11 February 2016 13: 30
    +1
    article minus. The current position is considered. without taking into account traditions. culture, etc. But this is very significant. Ushakov beat the fleet of the Turks. began to smash the French in alliance with the Turks. and why ? Poland from centuries battling with the Cossacks of the left bank. read senkevich. became an ally of banderlog. and nothing about the Middle East. there is a centuries-old tangle of contradictions. and here you can’t definitely define anything.
  41. PROXOR
    PROXOR 11 February 2016 13: 53
    +4
    The situation painfully resembles the situation before the 1877-1878 war of the year. As we all know, both Great Britain and France were ready to start a war with Russia if it would take Istanbul. And now they are stupidly setting Turkey against us.
    1. Vadim42
      Vadim42 11 February 2016 15: 20
      +1
      Maybe at least this time we get to the end.
    2. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 12 February 2016 13: 44
      0
      Quote: PROXOR
      The situation painfully resembles the situation before the 1877-1878 war of the year. As we all know, both Great Britain and France were ready to start a war with Russia if it would take Istanbul. And now they are stupidly setting Turkey against us.

      never look for analogies in the past. every time a new situation is unique !!!
  42. Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 February 2016 14: 53
    +2
    Russia has not in vain proposed to negotiate,
    proposed to suspend hostilities.
    Remember her proposal for a Ukrainian loan,
    here I am waiting for a similar trolling from Putin.
    The offer will be such that you have to refuse,
    although in appearance everything will be very humane.
    And only then, when they refuse the offer,
    we will all move against those who will interfere with us in Syria.
  43. Vadim42
    Vadim42 11 February 2016 15: 18
    +1
    With Turkey, and so everything has long been clear, but with the 3rd and 4th World War, the author has bent. And why not the 7th World War, taking into account Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Santa Barbara.
  44. Tektor
    Tektor 11 February 2016 15: 47
    +2
    The third world war has not ended, because Russia used a gambit - having ruined itself, which the West mistook for a defeat, which was what Russia was interested in. Now, when the West, for joy, has thrown off the masks and has hit completely grave ones, Russia will reap the fruits of the won "quality". The problems of the West are that, if earlier any developments of Soviet scientists were quickly adopted in the West, now Western experts cannot even understand on what principles this or that product works, i.e. a certain gap in knowledge has formed, which the West has nothing to fill. And the West should not be given a chance to close this gap.
  45. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 11 February 2016 17: 05
    0
    No matter how reckless the steps of Turkey and Americosia may seem, it is unlikely that each of them will want to finish their civilization from behind Syria or Ukraine or someone else. Many who are able to come to the edge of the line, but not everyone will step over it.
  46. Mugerets
    Mugerets 11 February 2016 18: 53
    +1
    Yes, Kiev was never the mother of Russian cities. Was not! Read a serious story. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, but Novgorod, Pskov, etc.? Mother of Russian cities, pah ...
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 11 February 2016 19: 08
      0
      Well, I wasn’t a mother, maybe I was a father smile

      The Russian princes who ruled the cities of Pskov, Novgorod, Vladimir and even (scary to say) Moscow. Where do they get their genealogy from? Not from Kiev?
      1. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 12 February 2016 13: 41
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        Quote: Bakht
        maybe was a father

        alluding to child support?
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  48. Bakht
    Bakht 11 February 2016 19: 23
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    Rurikovich we!



    But he lives in the Chambers in Moscow. And the first Rurikovich lived in Kiev
  49. hobot
    hobot 11 February 2016 19: 35
    +3
    The third did not end; it continues, with periodic exacerbations.
    The world is so arranged, it is time to cut through the eyes.
    Here, either to win, or to accept as a gift blankets infected with an infection, as the indigenous people of North America did.
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 12 February 2016 13: 40
      0
      Quote: hobot
      either take blankets infected with an infection as a gift

      so we already did it in 1991
  50. GOGY
    GOGY 11 February 2016 20: 12
    0
    The stakes are going up ... But I don't think Turkey will get involved in a conflict, losing face is not the worst choice compared to the risk of losing the whole country. Yes, Erdogan brazenly provokes Russia, but I don’t think that he didn’t calculate all the pros and cons and suspects that NATO will not fit into the conflict, at least obviously, there are also no fools sitting there and 3 MVs do not want, there will be a local conflict Russia and Turkey (possibly together with the Persian monarchies) that Russia cannot afford a long-running conflict and will try to inflict maximum damage in the shortest possible time, in Turkey, too, I think, they understand this and what conclusion is drawn from all this? That's right, the conflict is postponed, the idea of ​​the Ottoman Empire is also (until better times), then a turn towards Russia, the resumption of the Turkish Stream, the tourism industry and so on. I think this will allow Erdogan not only to save face, but also to remain in power. That is, the situation goes back a year. I somehow think so ... what