First, the Ukrainians dug the Black Sea, then an Ottoman submarine appeared in it

Submarines and rockets were invented not anywhere in enlightened Europe or China, but in the Ottoman Empire in the 18 century, senior researcher at the British Center for the Study of Islamic Culture Salim Aiduz told Anadolu.

According to him, “in the early periods of development, the Ottoman Empire surpassed European countries in the field of firearms weapons, and the most significant steps in this sphere were made in the years of the highest power of this state - the “era of tulips” (1718-1730). ”

“The first of these inventions was the creation of a submarine. The architect at the shipyard Ibrahim-aga called the submarine "Tahtelbahir". The second major invention was firearms and rockets, invented by the gunner Bayramoglu Ali-aga, ”quotes Aiduza. RIA News.

“However, over time, knowledge in this area has been lost,” he noted.

Earlier, Erdogan stated that "Muslim navigators discovered America 300 years before Christopher Columbus."

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Exact copy of the Russian submarine (hidden) boat, tested in 1721 by Efim Nikonov in the presence of Peter I

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[viktor561]

It looks like the Turks got infected from the Ukrainians "vyalichy"

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: viktor561

It looks like the Turks got infected from the Ukrainians "vyalichy"

No! They are just pathetic plagiarists. Every Svidomo Ukrainian knows for certain that "pidvodnye chavny" were used by the Zaporozhye Cossacks in the 17th century.

By the way, in Ukrainian "greatness" is "velichnist". Or "maybe"

[Diana Ilyina]

I watched this video! Particularly amusing was how the Great Ukrainians learned to row under water; science has not yet known such achievements! Somewhere there was an irony on this subject, that since the Russians still had not learned to row under water, they still use a primitive screw!

[cniza]

The beaten track and under the unified leadership of the United States, embracing with Nenko in the abyss of nothingness.

[Reinhard]

But on the boat Nikonov. that on the image there are oars.

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Reinhard

But on the boat Nikonov. that on the image there are oars.

I suspect that it is all the same for movement in the water position! I doubt that Peter I would appreciate the proposal to row with oars and under water! Moreover, she never passed the test, and the master was demoted to ordinary carpenters!

[Zeppelin ml.]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

I suspect that it is all the same for movement in the water position!

have you tried rowing oars in a barrel "on the surface"?

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Zeppelin ml.

have you tried rowing oars in a barrel "on the surface"?

Yes, God was merciful, she didn’t sit in a barrel, and she kept on the oar for the last time ten years ago, when she was still fond of rowing!

[Barnaul, Altai]

The only barrel that shines on Erdogan is a barrel of shit.
And a sword every 30 seconds above his head, so that the possessed would dive into it, and know its place ...

[viktor561]

Super! - what rowing are you - I'm Academic

[ferdiperdozzz]

And what problems to row under water? Forward the oar goes edge on, back flat - all things. I row my hands underwater when I dive. I am generally silent about fish - they have fins, including for this.

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: ferdiperdozzz

And what problems to row under water? Forward the oar goes edge on, back flat - all things. I row my hands underwater when I dive. I am generally silent about fish - they have fins, including for this.

And how far will you sail away ?! Do you imagine water resistance for a long oar ?! Well, what kind of monsters were they supposed to row ?! Or Ukrainians were the first to come up with terminators ?!

[code54]

And what is really like rowing under water? Retraction of the oars forward in a horizontal position (oar plane), push (stroke) in the vertical position of the oar plane. Well, it’s not as effective as carrying oars over water, this is understandable, but there is nothing fantastic here. For at least some kind of movement would be enough. Diana may not have tried and doesn’t know that she’s just on the boat when they are rowing, they do not wave oars in a circle like in cartoons about Cossacks, but almost in a rectangle.

[Mikado]

Quote: Reinhard

But on the boat Nikonov. that on the image there are oars.

The van Drebbel submarine, according to Pedivikia, was built in 1620 for the English fleet, and successfully passed tests on the Thames. Apparently, still somehow it was possible to row the oars!)) A replica in the photo.

[NIKNN]

The author "-" although he did not put it. I do not advise you to make money on long-worn truths

[Mixweb]

Amused video)))) I have only one question: HOW this one, sorry for the expression, CHOVEN could attack ?????? Did he suddenly emerge in front of a Turkish ship, from which the Turks were liquidated in horror and slipping in their own shit, fell overboard ??????

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Mixweb

Amused video)))) I have only one question: HOW this one, sorry for the expression, CHOVEN could attack ?????? Did he suddenly emerge in front of a Turkish ship, from which the Turks were liquidated in horror and slipping in their own shit, fell overboard ??????

And the axis is terrible vіyskova tamnitsya (terrible military secret), so that the Russians didn’t guess!

[viktor561]

Why attack - you are my friend a militarist - underwater vehicles were not originally made for this - read Jules Verne

[Weyland]

Quote: Mixweb

AS this one, sorry for the expression, CHOVEN could attack

At night they floated up next to the enemy ship, threw "cats" on board from the hatch, climbed onto the deck - and heroically cut the sleeping ...

[Mixweb]

Quote: Weyland

At night they floated up next to the enemy ship, threw "cats" on board from the hatch, climbed onto the deck - and heroically cut the sleeping ...

1. How did they find the enemy’s ship at night?)))
2. If their opponents were so stupid that they did without shifts, then the Navy opponents of the dill were some Indians on a canoe)))))

[Sensatus]

In America, they are talking about some zika virus, not noticing that paranoia has become contagious and has already infected two countries with a total population of 120 million people. This is not Ebola, it's cooler ...

[subbtin.725]

Popular proverb: Who boasted, he fell down from the mountain.

[33 Watcher]

All! Now let both Turks and British wait for sanctions from Ukraine! For anti-Ukrainian propaganda ...

[Lukich]

it's still a question of who from whom. I’ve noticed that it’s worth only someone to quarrel with Russia, so immediately they roll out their lips, fingers with a fan and redistribute history in the direction of their exclusivity and antiquity. when the Georgians declared that Adam was Georgian, then I already realized that senility has no borders. and here is another example. but the most interesting last post. almost to the topic

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Lukich

it's still a question of who from whom.

Gee Gee, a good picture from maidanutyh whole head.

[gray smeet]

What is this article on, what is it about? Has anyone thought about why this nonsense was posted here? If you seriously wanted to understand the issue - give the facts, documents, but obviously the purpose of the article is simply to ridicule Turkey, like little children, and after all, how many people are "accustomed" to this. It's shameful ..
Where were you when you nodded with bright hopes for Turkey, which did not join the sanctions of the West? Well, that’s okay, but such articles are a kindergarten, by golly!
If anyone noticed, similar articles were written about Ukraine a year earlier ...

[Weyland]

Quote: Lukich

it's still a question of who from whom. I’ve noticed that it’s worth only someone to quarrel with Russia, so immediately they roll out their lips, fingers with a fan and redistribute history in the direction of their exclusivity and antiquity. when the Georgians declared that Adam was Georgian, then I already realized that senility has no borders.

This is not insanity, it is still modest ... Here is the Archbishop of Canterbury (I don’t remember the name ) 400 years ago, stated that God is English (This is NOT a joke)!

[Voha_krim]

The entire "civilized" world knows that:
Cossack submarine - a ship that, according to the testimony of the French, English and? Russian? authors used by the Cossacks of the time of the Zaporizhzhya Sich and may have been under water for some time.
In the XNUMXth - XNUMXth centuries, fear spread over the entire Black Sea coast, which was created by the submarines of the Zaporozhye Cossacks. "Not a single ship, even the most powerful ship, felt safe, realizing that a Cossack submarine might be nearby," so historians of that time said. The daring attacks of the Cossacks terrified the enemies with their appearance out of nowhere, this technology was clearly far ahead of its time.
So the Turks are making a mistake, the Cossacks had submarines a hundred years earlier. And other inventions have already been "invented" by Ukrainians.

[Nick]

Quote: viktor561

It looks like the Turks got infected from the Ukrainians "vyalichy"

Yeah, the sluggish phase is sometimes replaced by an exacerbation, as now

[papas-57]

"Yeah, the sluggish phase is sometimes followed by an exacerbation, like now." Spring is coming, a period of exacerbation of mental illness.

[Juborg]

Campaign is contagious, communication with kohl. Apparently both of them have seen enough cartoons "about the Cossacks" from the studio named after Dovzhenko. So they confuse the drawn with reality.

[vorobey]

and what ... weighed out the lyuley to the inventors and we will weigh ..

the author did not mention the Turkish roots of Squirrel and Arrows

but how accurate is the wording (sometimes a typo gives such a masterpiece) quote: “in the early periods of development the Ottoman Empire surpassed the countries of Europe

as it was so it remained.

[EvgNik]

It seems that communication with Poroshenko (and indeed with Ukrainians) adversely affects brain activity. Especially on the areas of the brain that are responsible for the logical thinking and self-esteem of the individual.

[BLOND]

And the Turks have "shells in their heads" ... And like the Ukrainians without containers

[Trailer]

No, what's not to like? After meeting with the Russian fleet, the Ottoman fleet, by definition, became underwater. And the Turks began large replenishments in the submarine fleet from the 18 century.

Muslim navigators discovered America on 300 years before Christopher Columbus

What's wrong with that? It's a well-known fact. When Timur (the iron lame) sailed to America. The local tribes conquered by him decided to find out the name of their master? But, he suddenly needed to sail back to Uzbekistan, and when leaving the locals shouted to him: "What should I call you?" ) ". And so the name "America" ​​appeared

[aszzz888]

What would the world do without ukrokaklah and basurman?

[Lukich]

Quote: aszzz888

What would the world do without ukrokaklah and basurman?

forgot about Georgians. under sabakashvili they didn’t make such a big deal

[vvp2412]

The Chinese are nervously smoking on the side ...... America was discovered ..... Oh, horror .... Instead of the Egyptians, did they build pyramids by chance? :)

[aszzz888]

.Oh horror .... Instead of the Egyptians did they build pyramids by chance? :)

Well, who else? Kakly dragged stones, the Turks were preparing a batch!

[tol100v]

Quote: vvp2412

.Pyramids instead of the Egyptians they did not build a case? :)

The pyramids were built by Moldavian architects! And tiled!

[Amurets]

Quote: vvp2412

..Oh horror .... Instead of the Egyptians, did they accidentally build pyramids? :)

Of course, horror! Of course they did! They marked it with laser tape, cut them with blasters, removed the waste with a thermonuclear explosion. What is the level of radiation? Here are the pharaohs and dinosaurs with mammoths and died out. And the hydrogen sulfide accumulations at the bottom of the Black Sea are waste products of diggers of the sea bed. And what dill does not use this gas for industrial purposes.

[Mixweb]

Quote: vvp2412

They didn’t build pyramids instead of the Egyptians?

We went to work))) Together with the Moldavians))

[McLuha-MacLeod]

Who is this turkey? From all the Middle East, the Baboons gathered on the ruins of the Byzantine Empire and were called Turkey

[Mountain shooter]

In those years, many Ukrainian slaves were sold in Turkish bazaars. With the help of genetic memory, sacred knowledge about "subspecies chavny" was passed on to the Turks, and this is the result. What is the Academy of Sciences of Dill silent?

[Pig]

at the expense of the guns - right!
gunpowder was invented by the Chinese and massively used for war were Arabs from whom they gained experience and Ottomans ....
in the 16-17 centuries, the Turks were superior to Europeans in the number (and quality!) of artillery, the siege artillery of the Ottomans helped them take more than one European city, as well as in the overall saturation of the army with firearms
the situation changed in the first quarter of the 18th century when the Brilliant Porta began to rapidly lose its technical superiority and, consequently, its influence and territories

[Reinhard]

These were still real Turks. Conquerors. Then really. - And they had a fleet at the level. Well, in the 18th century, the Navy began to massively accept Italic mercenaries. That is, there was a Turk-captain of the ship, the rest entirely - THESE. It was agreed to pay for labor, in case of injury, pay. Well. decently. Then it turned out to be in battles with the Russian fleet. that the crews of Turkish ships. each turned out to be without one. So. to the elbow. hands.

[Tusv]

Quote: Pig

at the expense of the guns - right!

Already the Russian Mattresses (Russified Tyufengs) are mentioned in preparation for the Battle of Kulikovo 1380. The capture of Constantinople 1453. It turns out the Horde used firearms at least 100 years before the Ottomans

[Pig]

the first known case of the use of firearms in EUROPE is dated to the 10th century ... In 1118, the city of Zaragoza was bombarded by the Arabs from the first guns ...
and only after about 200 years, the Spaniards themselves began to use guns FIRST in Europe

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Soon the Turks will start to ride ...

[Hubun]

Svidomo virus blown by the wind or something

[Amurets]

Quote: Hubun

Svidomo virus blown by the wind or something

Well, yes, the disease is contagious.

[Alexander 3]

In conjunction with the Ukrainians, the ancient Ottomans are a hell of a mixture. Historians around the world have realized that they ate bread in vain.

[Wedmak]

Could the infectious cookies of the West hit the table to the Turkish government? And then I noticed how the liver, then they dig up the sea, then invent the underwater chovn. And then we got to the rockets.

[A-Sim]

"Salim Ayduz, an employee of the British Center for the Study of Islamic Culture."

the next, now "osmano" Svidomo.

[sgr291158]

So the Turkish Shyza started to mow. Looks like smoking started too.

[Stinger]

I wonder what the real "British scientists" will answer now? Really swallow the pill.

[BOB044]

They are visible in these submarines from F.F. Ushakova, hiding under water. When he beat them at sea.

[rune]

insanity. Question: in what century did the Turks fly to the moon? Have Ukrainians mastered Mars?

[Hooks]

“However, over time, knowledge in this area has been lost.” All quarantined !!!

[unknown]

Quote: Pig

at the expense of the guns - right!
gunpowder was invented by the Chinese and massively used for war were Arabs from whom they gained experience and Ottomans ....
in the 16-17 centuries, the Turks were superior to Europeans in the number (and quality!) of artillery, the siege artillery of the Ottomans helped them take more than one European city, as well as in the overall saturation of the army with firearms
the situation changed in the first quarter of the 18th century when the Brilliant Porta began to rapidly lose its technical superiority and, consequently, its influence and territories

Real history knows no examples when a more developed society was conquered by a less developed one.
The point is not even in the mythical Tatar-Mongol yoke.
From which Arabs did the Turks gain experience? The Arabs themselves, their so-called Arabic letter, is still called Turkish. Since they received it from the Turks. The ancient Arabs, with their caliphate and great conquests, have the same myth as Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece.
And on the question of the historical proximity of Russia and Turkey, one should think about it. Something historians do not say. Many domestic swear words and expressions are circulated in the Turkish language space as ordinary and non-abusive. Many Russian expressions have a meaningful translation only from the so-called Arabic, that is, originally Turkish.

[Weyland]

Has Fomenkovism already reached linguistics? Confuses the Semitic language family with Altai?

[Yugan Oleg]

The second major invention was firearms and missiles, invented by gunner Bayramoglu Ali-aga, ”RIA Novosti quoted Aiduz as saying.
From ano how? Gunner-gun invented!

[Zeppelin ml.]

As for the "invention of the submarine," the debate over primacy, IMHO, seems to be a rather stupid exercise. If you consider immersion in a barrel as such, then you should take the origins of the cooperage craft as a starting point.
In general, such stupid bravado have nothing to do with the pure history of technology.

[evil partisan]

Erdogan stated that "Muslim sailors discovered America 300 years earlier than Christopher Columbus."

Why is it so modest? I would say that it’s not at 300, but at 500 and not to Columbus, but in general: even before the invention of the ship. And it is not clear to me: where do the descendants of the Great Dukes look? Why haven’t they thrown Erdogan with poop yet ?? After all, it has long been known that the Incas and Mayans came to South America from under Zhmerenka ...

[sharp-lad]

Has the "Dark Ages" really begun in the world?

[Zeppelin ml.]

Quote: sharp-lad

Has the "Dark Ages" really begun in the world?

oh ... Salt-matches-kerosene. And paracetamol.

[mr.grin19z]

how many Turks there are so many horns and get something else twitch

[Zeppelin ml.]

Quote: mr.grin19z

how many Turks there are so many horns and get something else twitch

Yes Yes. You would have read history, or something, before writing nonsense. For "those who received it on the horns," they zagged a sickly empire for six centuries.

[Bosk]

And does anyone else remember that Turkey was armed with a submarine of the type Abdül Hamid in 1888 and not only stood but also sailed and even seemed to be trying to shoot ... they really tormented with it ...

[Wanderer 2008]

Quote: Zeppelin ml.

If we consider diving in a barrel as such, then we should take the origins of the cooper craft as a starting point.

Then it turns out that one of the first submariners was Iskander Zulkarnaevich, who, together with his teacher Aristotle, was pouring water in a barrel of water.

[Zeppelin ml.]

Quote: Wanderer 2008

one of the first divers was Iskander Zulkarnaevich,

hmm .. Every student in Shepetivka knows that Macedonian A.Z. was a hohl.
So ...

[triglav]

Everything is correct. The Ottomans invented television, radio and telegraph. And x-ray, of course.

[Lekov L]

British scientists are a trademark!
A British scientist of Turkish origin - in general ... no words!

[Papin]

It is necessary to clash the hohlyatsky peremozhniks with the Turkish dreamers, let them measure themselves, who has an older "submarine" fleet))) That would be a laugh.

[Winnie76]

Quote: ignoto

Real history knows no examples when a more developed society was conquered by a less developed one.

What are you? A million examples. The fall of Rome, the war in Afghanistan, Korea ... Or do you think the Afghans and Koreans are so developed that the rest of them are up to the moon

[bad]

“However, over time, knowledge in this area has been lost”

.. it’s a pity when you don’t know, and even forgot .. but if you hadn’t lost your knowledge .. would everyone bend ??

[mamont5]

"Submarines and missiles were not invented anywhere in enlightened Europe or China, but in the Ottoman Empire in the 18th century, Salim Ayduz, a senior research fellow at the British Center for the Study of Islamic Culture, told Anadolu."

Well, the Velikoukrov had competitors in the priority of using submarines. More specifically, roommates No. 6.

[Prisoner]

As my little brother used to say in childhood, "whoever you lead from that and you get lice." We contacted "fraternal" Ukraine and here is the result.