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First, the Ukrainians dug the Black Sea, then an Ottoman submarine appeared in it

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Submarines and rockets were invented not anywhere in enlightened Europe or China, but in the Ottoman Empire in the 18 century, senior researcher at the British Center for the Study of Islamic Culture Salim Aiduz told Anadolu.




According to him, “in the early periods of development, the Ottoman Empire surpassed European countries in the field of firearms weapons, and the most significant steps in this sphere were made in the years of the highest power of this state - the “era of tulips” (1718-1730). ”

“The first of these inventions was the creation of a submarine. The architect at the shipyard Ibrahim-aga called the submarine "Tahtelbahir". The second major invention was firearms and rockets, invented by the gunner Bayramoglu Ali-aga, ”quotes Aiduza. RIA News.

“However, over time, knowledge in this area has been lost,” he noted.

Earlier, Erdogan stated that "Muslim navigators discovered America 300 years before Christopher Columbus."

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First, the Ukrainians dug the Black Sea, then an Ottoman submarine appeared in it
Exact copy of the Russian submarine (hidden) boat, tested in 1721 by Efim Nikonov in the presence of Peter I
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  1. viktor561
    viktor561 10 February 2016 08: 56
    29
    It looks like the Turks got infected from the Ukrainians "vyalichy"
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 10 February 2016 08: 58
      14
      Quote: viktor561
      It looks like the Turks got infected from the Ukrainians "vyalichy"

      No! They are just pathetic plagiarists. Every Svidomo Ukrainian knows for certain that "pidvodnye chavny" were used by the Zaporozhye Cossacks in the 17th century.

      By the way, in Ukrainian "greatness" is "velichnist". Or "maybe" smile
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 10 February 2016 09: 04
        40
        I watched this video! Particularly amusing was how the Great Ukrainians learned to row under water; science has not yet known such achievements! Somewhere there was an irony on this subject, that since the Russians still had not learned to row under water, they still use a primitive screw! lol
        1. cniza
          cniza 10 February 2016 09: 19
          +6
          The beaten track and under the unified leadership of the United States, embracing with Nenko in the abyss of nothingness.
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        3. Reinhard
          Reinhard 10 February 2016 09: 21
          +2
          But on the boat Nikonov. that on the image there are oars.
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 10 February 2016 09: 39
            10
            Quote: Reinhard
            But on the boat Nikonov. that on the image there are oars.


            I suspect that it is all the same for movement in the water position! I doubt that Peter I would appreciate the proposal to row with oars and under water! Moreover, she never passed the test, and the master was demoted to ordinary carpenters!
            1. Zeppelin ml.
              Zeppelin ml. 10 February 2016 10: 00
              0
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              I suspect that it is all the same for movement in the water position!

              have you tried rowing oars in a barrel "on the surface"?
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 10 February 2016 10: 08
                +9
                Quote: Zeppelin ml.
                have you tried rowing oars in a barrel "on the surface"?


                Yes, God was merciful, she didn’t sit in a barrel, and she kept on the oar for the last time ten years ago, when she was still fond of rowing!
                1. Barnaul, Altai
                  Barnaul, Altai 10 February 2016 12: 40
                  0
                  The only barrel that shines on Erdogan is a barrel of shit.
                  And a sword every 30 seconds above his head, so that the possessed would dive into it, and know its place ...
                  laughing
                2. viktor561
                  viktor561 11 February 2016 01: 24
                  0
                  Super! - what rowing are you - I'm Academic
            2. ferdiperdozzz
              ferdiperdozzz 10 February 2016 10: 19
              +7
              And what problems to row under water? Forward the oar goes edge on, back flat - all things. I row my hands underwater when I dive. I am generally silent about fish - they have fins, including for this.
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 10 February 2016 11: 15
                +7
                Quote: ferdiperdozzz
                And what problems to row under water? Forward the oar goes edge on, back flat - all things. I row my hands underwater when I dive. I am generally silent about fish - they have fins, including for this.


                And how far will you sail away ?! Do you imagine water resistance for a long oar ?! Well, what kind of monsters were they supposed to row ?! Or Ukrainians were the first to come up with terminators ?!
              2. code54
                code54 10 February 2016 11: 38
                0
                And what is really like rowing under water? Retraction of the oars forward in a horizontal position (oar plane), push (stroke) in the vertical position of the oar plane. Well, it’s not as effective as carrying oars over water, this is understandable, but there is nothing fantastic here. For at least some kind of movement would be enough. Diana may not have tried and doesn’t know that she’s just on the boat when they are rowing, they do not wave oars in a circle like in cartoons about Cossacks, but almost in a rectangle.
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 10 February 2016 13: 38
            +1
            Quote: Reinhard
            But on the boat Nikonov. that on the image there are oars.

            The van Drebbel submarine, according to Pedivikia, was built in 1620 for the English fleet, and successfully passed tests on the Thames. Apparently, still somehow it was possible to row the oars!)) A replica in the photo.
        4. NIKNN
          NIKNN 10 February 2016 15: 04
          +2
          The author "-" although he did not put it. I do not advise you to make money on long-worn truths request
      2. Mixweb
        Mixweb 10 February 2016 09: 45
        +4
        Amused video)))) I have only one question: HOW this one, sorry for the expression, CHOVEN could attack ?????? Did he suddenly emerge in front of a Turkish ship, from which the Turks were liquidated in horror and slipping in their own shit, fell overboard ??????
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 10 February 2016 09: 53
          12
          Quote: Mixweb
          Amused video)))) I have only one question: HOW this one, sorry for the expression, CHOVEN could attack ?????? Did he suddenly emerge in front of a Turkish ship, from which the Turks were liquidated in horror and slipping in their own shit, fell overboard ??????


          And the axis is terrible vіyskova tamnitsya (terrible military secret), so that the Russians didn’t guess!
        2. viktor561
          viktor561 11 February 2016 01: 30
          0
          Why attack - you are my friend a militarist - underwater vehicles were not originally made for this - read Jules Verne
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 11 February 2016 02: 00
          0
          Quote: Mixweb
          AS this one, sorry for the expression, CHOVEN could attack


          At night they floated up next to the enemy ship, threw "cats" on board from the hatch, climbed onto the deck - and heroically cut the sleeping ...
          1. Mixweb
            Mixweb 12 February 2016 12: 50
            0
            Quote: Weyland
            At night they floated up next to the enemy ship, threw "cats" on board from the hatch, climbed onto the deck - and heroically cut the sleeping ...

            1. How did they find the enemy’s ship at night?)))
            2. If their opponents were so stupid that they did without shifts, then the Navy opponents of the dill were some Indians on a canoe)))))
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    2. Sensatus
      Sensatus 10 February 2016 08: 59
      +7
      In America, they are talking about some zika virus, not noticing that paranoia has become contagious and has already infected two countries with a total population of 120 million people. This is not Ebola, it's cooler ...
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 10 February 2016 09: 03
        +1
        Popular proverb: Who boasted, he fell down from the mountain.
    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 10 February 2016 09: 06
      +3
      All! Now let both Turks and British wait for sanctions from Ukraine! For anti-Ukrainian propaganda ...
    4. Lukich
      Lukich 10 February 2016 09: 06
      +8
      it's still a question of who from whom. I’ve noticed that it’s worth only someone to quarrel with Russia, so immediately they roll out their lips, fingers with a fan and redistribute history in the direction of their exclusivity and antiquity. when the Georgians declared that Adam was Georgian, then I already realized that senility has no borders. and here is another example. but the most interesting last post. almost to the topic
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 February 2016 09: 27
        +2
        Quote: Lukich
        it's still a question of who from whom.

        Gee Gee, a good picture from maidanutyh whole head.
        1. gray smeet
          gray smeet 10 February 2016 09: 33
          -8
          What is this article on, what is it about? Has anyone thought about why this nonsense was posted here? If you seriously wanted to understand the issue - give the facts, documents, but obviously the purpose of the article is simply to ridicule Turkey, like little children, and after all, how many people are "accustomed" to this. It's shameful ..
          Where were you when you nodded with bright hopes for Turkey, which did not join the sanctions of the West? Well, that’s okay, but such articles are a kindergarten, by golly!
          If anyone noticed, similar articles were written about Ukraine a year earlier ...
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 11 February 2016 02: 33
        0
        Quote: Lukich
        it's still a question of who from whom. I’ve noticed that it’s worth only someone to quarrel with Russia, so immediately they roll out their lips, fingers with a fan and redistribute history in the direction of their exclusivity and antiquity. when the Georgians declared that Adam was Georgian, then I already realized that senility has no borders.


        This is not insanity, it is still modest ... Here is the Archbishop of Canterbury (I don’t remember the name request ) 400 years ago, stated that God is English (This is NOT a joke)! laughing
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    5. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 10 February 2016 09: 08
      0
      The entire "civilized" world knows that:
      Cossack submarine - a ship that, according to the testimony of the French, English and? Russian? authors used by the Cossacks of the time of the Zaporizhzhya Sich and may have been under water for some time.
      In the XNUMXth - XNUMXth centuries, fear spread over the entire Black Sea coast, which was created by the submarines of the Zaporozhye Cossacks. "Not a single ship, even the most powerful ship, felt safe, realizing that a Cossack submarine might be nearby," so historians of that time said. The daring attacks of the Cossacks terrified the enemies with their appearance out of nowhere, this technology was clearly far ahead of its time.
      So the Turks are making a mistake, the Cossacks had submarines a hundred years earlier. And other inventions have already been "invented" by Ukrainians.
    6. Nick
      Nick 10 February 2016 09: 13
      0
      Quote: viktor561
      It looks like the Turks got infected from the Ukrainians "vyalichy"

      Yeah, the sluggish phase is sometimes replaced by an exacerbation, as now lol
      1. papas-57
        papas-57 10 February 2016 10: 11
        0
        "Yeah, the sluggish phase is sometimes followed by an exacerbation, like now." Spring is coming, a period of exacerbation of mental illness.
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    7. Juborg
      Juborg 10 February 2016 13: 04
      0
      Campaign is contagious, communication with kohl. Apparently both of them have seen enough cartoons "about the Cossacks" from the studio named after Dovzhenko. So they confuse the drawn with reality.
  2. vorobey
    vorobey 10 February 2016 08: 57
    +4
    and what ... weighed out the lyuley to the inventors and we will weigh ..

    the author did not mention the Turkish roots of Squirrel and Arrows

    but how accurate is the wording (sometimes a typo gives such a masterpiece) quote: “in the early periods of development the Ottoman Empire surpassed the countries of Europe

    as it was so it remained.
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  4. EvgNik
    EvgNik 10 February 2016 08: 59
    +3
    It seems that communication with Poroshenko (and indeed with Ukrainians) adversely affects brain activity. Especially on the areas of the brain that are responsible for the logical thinking and self-esteem of the individual.
  5. BLOND
    BLOND 10 February 2016 08: 59
    0
    And the Turks have "shells in their heads" ... And like the Ukrainians without containers
  6. Trailer
    Trailer 10 February 2016 08: 59
    16
    No, what's not to like? After meeting with the Russian fleet, the Ottoman fleet, by definition, became underwater. And the Turks began large replenishments in the submarine fleet from the 18 century.

    Muslim navigators discovered America on 300 years before Christopher Columbus


    What's wrong with that? It's a well-known fact. When Timur (the iron lame) sailed to America. The local tribes conquered by him decided to find out the name of their master? But, he suddenly needed to sail back to Uzbekistan, and when leaving the locals shouted to him: "What should I call you?" ) ". And so the name "America" ​​appeared
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 February 2016 08: 59
    +1
    What would the world do without ukrokaklah and basurman? laughing
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 10 February 2016 09: 09
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      What would the world do without ukrokaklah and basurman?

      forgot about Georgians. under sabakashvili they didn’t make such a big deal
  8. vvp2412
    vvp2412 10 February 2016 08: 59
    +2
    The Chinese are nervously smoking on the side ...... America was discovered ..... Oh, horror .... Instead of the Egyptians, did they build pyramids by chance? :)
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 10 February 2016 09: 11
      +1
      .Oh horror .... Instead of the Egyptians did they build pyramids by chance? :)


      Well, who else? Kakly dragged stones, the Turks were preparing a batch! wassat
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 10 February 2016 09: 24
      0
      Quote: vvp2412
      .Pyramids instead of the Egyptians they did not build a case? :)

      The pyramids were built by Moldavian architects! And tiled!
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 10 February 2016 09: 32
      0
      Quote: vvp2412
      ..Oh horror .... Instead of the Egyptians, did they accidentally build pyramids? :)

      Of course, horror! Of course they did! They marked it with laser tape, cut them with blasters, removed the waste with a thermonuclear explosion. What is the level of radiation? Here are the pharaohs and dinosaurs with mammoths and died out. And the hydrogen sulfide accumulations at the bottom of the Black Sea are waste products of diggers of the sea bed. And what dill does not use this gas for industrial purposes.
    4. Mixweb
      Mixweb 10 February 2016 10: 00
      0
      Quote: vvp2412
      They didn’t build pyramids instead of the Egyptians?

      We went to work))) Together with the Moldavians))
  9. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 10 February 2016 09: 01
    +1
    Who is this turkey? From all the Middle East, the Baboons gathered on the ruins of the Byzantine Empire and were called Turkey
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 February 2016 09: 02
    +2
    In those years, many Ukrainian slaves were sold in Turkish bazaars. With the help of genetic memory, sacred knowledge about "subspecies chavny" was passed on to the Turks, and this is the result. What is the Academy of Sciences of Dill silent?
  11. Pig
    Pig 10 February 2016 09: 04
    +3
    at the expense of the guns - right!
    gunpowder was invented by the Chinese and massively used for war were Arabs from whom they gained experience and Ottomans ....
    in the 16-17 centuries, the Turks were superior to Europeans in the number (and quality!) of artillery, the siege artillery of the Ottomans helped them take more than one European city, as well as in the overall saturation of the army with firearms
    the situation changed in the first quarter of the 18th century when the Brilliant Porta began to rapidly lose its technical superiority and, consequently, its influence and territories
    1. Reinhard
      Reinhard 10 February 2016 09: 32
      +1
      These were still real Turks. Conquerors. Then really. - And they had a fleet at the level. Well, in the 18th century, the Navy began to massively accept Italic mercenaries. That is, there was a Turk-captain of the ship, the rest entirely - THESE. It was agreed to pay for labor, in case of injury, pay. Well. decently. Then it turned out to be in battles with the Russian fleet. that the crews of Turkish ships. each turned out to be without one. So. to the elbow. hands. wink
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 10 February 2016 09: 42
      0
      Quote: Pig
      at the expense of the guns - right!

      Already the Russian Mattresses (Russified Tyufengs) are mentioned in preparation for the Battle of Kulikovo 1380. The capture of Constantinople 1453. It turns out the Horde used firearms at least 100 years before the Ottomans
      1. Pig
        Pig 10 February 2016 20: 50
        0
        the first known case of the use of firearms in EUROPE is dated to the 10th century ... In 1118, the city of Zaragoza was bombarded by the Arabs from the first guns ...
        and only after about 200 years, the Spaniards themselves began to use guns FIRST in Europe
  12. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 10 February 2016 09: 04
    0
    Soon the Turks will start to ride ... fool
  13. Hubun
    Hubun 10 February 2016 09: 04
    0
    Svidomo virus blown by the wind or something
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 10 February 2016 09: 38
      0
      Quote: Hubun
      Svidomo virus blown by the wind or something

      Well, yes, the disease is contagious.
  14. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 10 February 2016 09: 06
    +1
    In conjunction with the Ukrainians, the ancient Ottomans are a hell of a mixture. Historians around the world have realized that they ate bread in vain.
  15. Wedmak
    Wedmak 10 February 2016 09: 09
    0
    Could the infectious cookies of the West hit the table to the Turkish government? And then I noticed how the liver, then they dig up the sea, then invent the underwater chovn. And then we got to the rockets.
  16. A-Sim
    A-Sim 10 February 2016 09: 11
    0
    "Salim Ayduz, an employee of the British Center for the Study of Islamic Culture."

    the next, now "osmano" Svidomo.
  17. sgr291158
    sgr291158 10 February 2016 09: 13
    0
    So the Turkish Shyza started to mow. Looks like smoking started too.
  18. Stinger
    Stinger 10 February 2016 09: 23
    0
    I wonder what the real "British scientists" will answer now? Really swallow the pill.
  19. BOB044
    BOB044 10 February 2016 09: 30
    0
    They are visible in these submarines from F.F. Ushakova, hiding under water. When he beat them at sea.
  20. rune
    rune 10 February 2016 09: 30
    0
    insanity. Question: in what century did the Turks fly to the moon? Have Ukrainians mastered Mars? fellow
  21. Hooks
    Hooks 10 February 2016 09: 47
    +1
    “However, over time, knowledge in this area has been lost.” All quarantined !!!
  22. unknown
    unknown 10 February 2016 10: 00
    -2
    Quote: Pig
    at the expense of the guns - right!
    gunpowder was invented by the Chinese and massively used for war were Arabs from whom they gained experience and Ottomans ....
    in the 16-17 centuries, the Turks were superior to Europeans in the number (and quality!) of artillery, the siege artillery of the Ottomans helped them take more than one European city, as well as in the overall saturation of the army with firearms
    the situation changed in the first quarter of the 18th century when the Brilliant Porta began to rapidly lose its technical superiority and, consequently, its influence and territories


    Real history knows no examples when a more developed society was conquered by a less developed one.
    The point is not even in the mythical Tatar-Mongol yoke.
    From which Arabs did the Turks gain experience? The Arabs themselves, their so-called Arabic letter, is still called Turkish. Since they received it from the Turks. The ancient Arabs, with their caliphate and great conquests, have the same myth as Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece.
    And on the question of the historical proximity of Russia and Turkey, one should think about it. Something historians do not say. Many domestic swear words and expressions are circulated in the Turkish language space as ordinary and non-abusive. Many Russian expressions have a meaningful translation only from the so-called Arabic, that is, originally Turkish.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 11 February 2016 02: 25
      0
      Has Fomenkovism already reached linguistics? Confuses the Semitic language family with Altai? laughing
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  23. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 10 February 2016 10: 11
    +1
    The second major invention was firearms and missiles, invented by gunner Bayramoglu Ali-aga, ”RIA Novosti quoted Aiduz as saying.
    From ano how? Gunner-gun invented! smile
  24. Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 10 February 2016 10: 24
    +1
    As for the "invention of the submarine," the debate over primacy, IMHO, seems to be a rather stupid exercise. If you consider immersion in a barrel as such, then you should take the origins of the cooperage craft as a starting point.
    In general, such stupid bravado have nothing to do with the pure history of technology.
  25. evil partisan
    evil partisan 10 February 2016 10: 25
    +2
    Erdogan stated that "Muslim sailors discovered America 300 years earlier than Christopher Columbus."
    Why is it so modest? I would say that it’s not at 300, but at 500 and not to Columbus, but in general: even before the invention of the ship. And it is not clear to me: where do the descendants of the Great Dukes look? Why haven’t they thrown Erdogan with poop yet ?? After all, it has long been known that the Incas and Mayans came to South America from under Zhmerenka ...
  26. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 10 February 2016 10: 31
    +1
    Has the "Dark Ages" really begun in the world? request
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 10 February 2016 10: 44
      +2
      Quote: sharp-lad
      Has the "Dark Ages" really begun in the world? request

      oh ... Salt-matches-kerosene. And paracetamol.
  27. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 10 February 2016 10: 48
    -3
    how many Turks there are so many horns and get something else twitch
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 10 February 2016 11: 33
      +4
      Quote: mr.grin19z
      how many Turks there are so many horns and get something else twitch

      Yes Yes. You would have read history, or something, before writing nonsense. For "those who received it on the horns," they zagged a sickly empire for six centuries.
  28. Bosk
    Bosk 10 February 2016 11: 08
    +1
    And does anyone else remember that Turkey was armed with a submarine of the type Abdül Hamid in 1888 and not only stood but also sailed and even seemed to be trying to shoot ... they really tormented with it ...
  29. Wanderer 2008
    Wanderer 2008 10 February 2016 11: 39
    0
    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
    If we consider diving in a barrel as such, then we should take the origins of the cooper craft as a starting point.

    Then it turns out that one of the first submariners was Iskander Zulkarnaevich, who, together with his teacher Aristotle, was pouring water in a barrel of water.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 10 February 2016 11: 43
      +1
      Quote: Wanderer 2008
      one of the first divers was Iskander Zulkarnaevich,

      hmm .. Every student in Shepetivka knows that Macedonian A.Z. was a hohl.
      So ...
  30. triglav
    triglav 10 February 2016 11: 56
    0
    Everything is correct. The Ottomans invented television, radio and telegraph. And x-ray, of course.
  31. Lekov L
    Lekov L 10 February 2016 12: 18
    0
    British scientists are a trademark!
    A British scientist of Turkish origin - in general ... no words!
  32. Papin
    Papin 10 February 2016 12: 37
    0
    It is necessary to clash the hohlyatsky peremozhniks with the Turkish dreamers, let them measure themselves, who has an older "submarine" fleet))) That would be a laugh.
  33. Winnie76
    Winnie76 10 February 2016 12: 47
    0
    Quote: ignoto

    Real history knows no examples when a more developed society was conquered by a less developed one.

    What are you? A million examples. The fall of Rome, the war in Afghanistan, Korea ... Or do you think the Afghans and Koreans are so developed that the rest of them are up to the moon
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  35. bad
    bad 10 February 2016 13: 27
    0
    “However, over time, knowledge in this area has been lost”
    .. it’s a pity when you don’t know, and even forgot .. but if you hadn’t lost your knowledge .. would everyone bend ??
  36. mamont5
    mamont5 10 February 2016 14: 35
    0
    "Submarines and missiles were not invented anywhere in enlightened Europe or China, but in the Ottoman Empire in the 18th century, Salim Ayduz, a senior research fellow at the British Center for the Study of Islamic Culture, told Anadolu."

    Well, the Velikoukrov had competitors in the priority of using submarines. More specifically, roommates No. 6.
  37. Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 February 2016 16: 13
    0
    As my little brother used to say in childhood, "whoever you lead from that and you get lice." We contacted "fraternal" Ukraine and here is the result. winked