Davutoglu said that Turkey "will return the historical debt to the brothers from Aleppo"

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said his country is “ready to return historical debt to the inhabitants of Aleppo. " As it turned out, Davuoglu understands the historical duty as the need to use Turkish troops in the Aleppo region - as a "gratitude" to its inhabitants for the fact that during the First World War the "brothers from Aleppo" (the expression of the Turkish prime minister) defended the cities of Turkey. This is reported by Turkish media.

Attention is drawn to the fact that the need to "return the historical duty" Davutoglu said not at the moment when he was seized by militants of various terrorist groups, including "Dzhebhat an-Nusra", but at a time when the Syrian army and the militia are close to ensure that the city from these barbarians free.

It should be noted that several days ago, the representative of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation, Major General Igor Konashenkov, stated that the Russian Defense Ministry has facts that indicate a high probability of an early invasion of Turkish troops into Syria. Immediately after this, Turkish President Erdogan called such statements "ridiculous" and "ridiculous." Now, however, Davutoglu virtually unambiguously confirms the information of the Russian defense ministry about the impending invasion of Syrian territory. Apparently, he did not have time to coordinate the rhetoric with Erdogan ...

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[avvg]

It is clear that there will be provocations from Turkey.

[Uran]

Turkish people are very rotten people. how inhuman they rejoiced when they shot down Su 24. there is nothing human in them. rights Bogdasarov when he says that it is necessary to arm the PKK

[Mixweb]

You do not need all to fit one comb. In our neighboring village there are many Turks. And of them there were those who were happy about the downed SU-24. But there were a minority of them, and then, mostly schoolchildren. And the Turk - Ibrahim works with me. So he clearly condemns the attack on our plane. He himself served in the 76th Airborne Division, participated in a march on Pristina. According to him, there he was even considered Russian. So there are no bad nationalities, there are shitty people.

[rotmistr60]

For Mixweb

You do not need all to fit one comb.

Perhaps not necessary. Or maybe you should pay attention to those who were happy about the downed plane. And do not translate the arrows on the children. Children say what they hear from adults and what adults put into their minds.

[Tatyana]

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu on the Syrian issue related to the criminal seizure by Turkey of foreign oil (and other minerals) by the hands of Islamic-controlled gangs of ISIS militants in Syria, more and more reveals himself as a supporter and ideologist of Salafism - a jihadist ideology of early Islam of the Assyrian empire Ashurbanipala (in 669 - 627 BC), an ancient blood-mad state in the Middle East - with a throat cut, crucifixion, cross-burning, living burning, slave trade of Gentiles, concentration and camps and prisons for women raped like cattle, the complete destruction of the cities of the “infidels,” etc.
In the smile of Ahmet Davutoglu sparkles OSKAL of modern Muslim FASCISM in the establishment of Turkey, which is directed both against the peoples of Syria and Iran, and the Kurds in Turkey itself, and also against non-Muslims of Russia

[Yugan Oleg]

Tatyana, of course, excuse me, but how is it?
the jihadist ideology of the early Islam of the Assyrian empire, Ashurbanipal (in 669 - 627 BC)
Our era is after the birth of Christ. Have you got jihadists before Islam?

[-Traveler-]

the new chronology completely shifted the brains on people, Islam in Assyria is cool, impressed

[Tatyana]

Yugan Oleg
.........

-Traveler-
..........

Do you read the book

ISIS. The ominous shadow of the Caliphate / comp. Ander Kemal. - M .: Algorithm, 2015. - 224 sec. - (Military Review).

and all your questions and perplexities will disappear from you.

This collection "Military Review" contains articles by the best military SPECIALISTS on the formation of ISIS, its ideological - religious - roots and sources, as well as on the causes and levels of development of the threat of ISIS in different years - for the world from its existence.

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In my comments, I just do a selectively small review from this book.
From it, by the way, you will understand why and who suggested ISIS to rename Daesh.
So happy reading to you!

[-Traveler-]

Thank you, but I will not begin to read any nonsense of our "military analysts-specialists", I see enough of these ignoramuses on TV. in the country of Arabists - specialists in the history of Islam once or twice and miscalculated. Malashenko, for example, and who else?
read, not conjunctural journalism, but normal scientific literature.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Mixweb

And the Turk - Ibrahim works with me.

Quote: Mixweb

So there are no bad nationalities, there are shitty people.

There is only one but. For some reason, when a representative of one nationality lives in "loneliness" in the environment of another nation, he seems to be adequate, but when a group of them gathers, this is where national surprises begin. This person among his compatriots becomes exactly and vice versa. Why is that? So, like Sukhov, the East is a delicate matter, and not only subtle, but also something else. (All of the above is based on personal experience, and something from the years of service in the SA)
Now on the topic, while these are statements, I’m thinking, are madmen really correcting the ball? Or expect that in our doctrine nat. Security says that Russia will never be the first to use nuclear weapons? We are worthy students of Western civilization, just as they can promise not to expand NATO, but to do it differently as our teachers.
The situation with the Crimea did not teach them anything. It's a pity. Our Commander-in-Chief did not keep silent for a long time. Or is he silent for a very long time, so the adversaries have relaxed?
PS
Gentlemen, can I ask a question regarding Europe?
We took the fashion to compare everything, and strive to Europe, is it not a shame for such a state, with a thousand-year history, to strive and compare ourselves with the fallen Angels from the EU?
Maybe we will look on the other hand, this is Europe part of Russia, because it is located on the outskirts of the Eurasian continent, and they are stubbornly trying to join Russia, not only in a peaceful way, but in a military way. It's time to look differently, maybe the glass is not half empty, but half full.

[aksakal]

Quote: Sirocco

Or expect that in our doctrine nat. Security says that Russia will never be the first to use nuclear weapons?

- and I repeat once again - Russia has conventional forces above the roof for Turkey. Sudden exercises took place in the Southern Military District, the troops were on full alert, the Caspian Flotilla was loaded to capacity with "Caliber". It looks like Russia is ready to strike from the rear. In a sense, the Turks will strike to the south, towards Aleppo, where they will enter into a clash with the Syrian and Kurdish troops, and the main blow against the Turks will be from the North. And I DO NOT VERY UNDERSTAND why there is such an indiscriminate weapon as nuclear weapons? NATO will not join - the fifth article is to help the attacked states, and here Turkey itself invades. But it can provide military-technical and information assistance. So what? How much will this delay the death of Turkey as a state? Hardly for a month ...

Quote: Sirocco

Why is that? So, as with Sukhov, the east is a delicate matter, and not only delicate, but also something else.

- no, this psychological phenomenon is common to all people. Do you know about the sociality of a person (in fact, herd reflex)? Have you heard of conformism? So they change the behavior of the brow depending on the environment and the situation in which he is, and not only the eastern one.

[Suhov]

Quote: aksakal

NATO will not join - the fifth article is to help the attacked states, and here Turkey itself invades.

As the example of Yugoslavia showed, they wanted to spit on all these articles.
NATO respects only power.
Therefore, it is considered only with those from whom it can receive or has already received by snot.

[Sirocco]

Quote: aksakal

- no, this psychological phenomenon is common to all people. Do you know about the sociality of a person (in fact, herd reflex)? Have you heard of conformism?

We are talking with you about different psychological behaviors of a person. The psychology of the crowd is one thing, Sociality is another, but conformism, I call the market environment, will be much clearer to many.
And people from the East have their own mentality, their own culture of behavior. I lived both among the representatives of Central Asia and among the representatives of the European part (Ukraine). And I have a complete idea of ​​what I'm talking about. Well, your comment about the herd reflex, which is inherent in all, but not in all situations. For some reason, the Slavs have not expressed this reflex in the army, that is, not at all. Otherwise, how can representatives of one nation, in the amount of about 10 people, make the remaining 60-70 people of Slavic nationality dance to their tune ??? Before coming to the part of fellow countrymen, the representative of this nation was adequate and manageable, after the person was replaced. In addition, they quickly formed a group with representatives from another military unit. For some reason our brothers Slavs turned into a herd of artiodactyls, which are very difficult to raise. My hut is on the edge. The commanders of these units, this whole situation was on hand, in terms of peace and order, the slaves plow, and the owners lead. I think the representatives of the older generation who served in the SA perfectly understand what I am talking about. I will not tell other similar examples from my personal life and friendship with a representative of the Caucasian family. It was with this friend that we had, or rather, his market conjuncture. Here and there. I certainly understand that not all are like that, among all the people there is enough of what I have described. But as experience shows, the east is a delicate matter. And loves and RESPESES strength. It was enough to come to VCh, two "flyers" of the CMS from Desna, as order with the gang was restored. (The muzzle was notable, even some of ours were connected). A couple of "ringleaders" were lowered into the sewer, and Shishiga was driven onto the hatch. And until the morning. Then order reigned.
How do you like this psychology?

[Sura]

There is only one but. For some reason, when a representative of one nationality lives in "loneliness" in the environment of another nation, he seems to be adequate, but when a group of them gathers, this is where national surprises begin. This person among his compatriots becomes exactly and vice versa. Why is that?

I confirm, and I have such experience in CA.

[Mixweb]

There is only one but. For some reason, when a representative of one nationality lives in "loneliness" in the environment of another nation, he seems to be adequate, but when a group of them gathers, this is where national surprises begin. This person among his compatriots becomes exactly and vice versa.

About 4 years ago, a whole diaspora of the Turks worked for us. And all in the service of the regime. Ibrahim clearly stood out from their background. And with the advent of the post of Director of the Special Forces Lieutenant Colonel, only he remained of all the Turks. And by the way, do not mind drinking vodka with a kebab of pork)))

[Sirocco]

Quote: Mixweb

. And, by the way, do not mind drinking vodka with pork shish kebab)))

Now, after the order, they began to eat pork, to the question of how faith doesn’t allow you, for some reason they said that Allah was at home there, he doesn’t see them. On the whole, it’s ridiculous, but in fact, for some reason we had pork in abundance, beef at least, and then everyone wants to eat.So hunger is not an aunt, but hard power is not an uncle.

[Aleks76]

That's right. So where do "shitty people" come from then? Why don't parents and Ibrahim explain to these "joyful" schoolchildren that this is not good ??? They will grow up and will be the majority

[g1v2]

It is not a matter of nationality, but of interest. The Turks shot down our plane because they believed that it would be beneficial for them, and not out of hatred of the Russians. And they will use pro-Turkish forces in the Russian Federation not out of sympathy or antipathy, but out of their interests. You need to cut the threads coming from Turkey into Russia, not out of love or dislike, or because the Turks are bad or good-natured, but because it is harmful to our country when there are pockets of foreign influence inside it.

[Sirocco]

Quote: g1v2

It is not a matter of nationality, but of interest.

I would say so national interests. Otherwise, how to explain such tenacity, for several centuries trying to fight with Russia? It seems that two hundred years ago there was no Erdogan, but the people of Turkey. What is the reason?

[g1v2]

Cause? Well, who did we conquer the whole south from? The Balkans we freed from whom? Why is it strange that the Turks hope to return at least something? We are accordingly not interested in them doing this. If we had the old Soviet borders, then something else could be squeezed out of the Turks. But since there are no more common borders, we are not interested in fighting with them.

[NIKNN]

What to talk about? We do not communicate with the people, we communicate with the political elite of Turkey through the media controlled by the United States. But I’ll tell you my opinion (do not judge strictly) the Turks have the government they voted for (which they deserve) and they cannot be trusted, they have a betrayal in their blood.

[shooter18]

It is necessary to repay the Turks if they dare to invade Syria, give them a good hand so that they fly to Washington ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: shooter18

It is necessary to repay the Turks if they dare to invade Syria, give them a good hand so that they fly to Washington ....

Here's another hero. Finish sitting on the Internet and in the trenches. For orders, For feats!

[Alexander Romanov]

About minusers went stupidly minuses, without comment.
And you don’t have to write, none of you will go there. You’ll be sitting here and banging your feet stupidly. You will shout in case of big losses that you need to drive our generals in the neck. you will go by the hundreds. But with all this, you yourself won’t go there, never! Behind the rear far from the warriors, it’s more convenient to push slogans-We bring them to the Turks. Ugh-sick.

[Stas157]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Oh minusers went dumb

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And you have nothing to write

Quote: Alexander Romanov

You’ll be sitting on the site and stupidly pounding your paws.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Ugh, sick.

Alexander! From you it blows negative! Yes, you are a squabbler! You can express your hostility in a more cultural form, but it’s better not to express it at all. Stop insulting people and you will have fewer minuses!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Stas157

Yes, you are a squabbler!

Character.

Quote: Stas157

You can express your dislike in a more cultural form

In relation to people for whom human NOTHING can.

Quote: Stas157

Stop insulting people and you will have fewer minuses!

Yes, I do not care about the minuses. And those who like to fight with the wrong hands, especially do not care.

[Sidel45]

Come on, you - "rotten people". An ordinary people, like any other. Taking into account, of course, national characteristics. And not everyone is happy about the shot down Su-24. By the way, when a South Korean Boeing was shot down at one time, there were those who rejoiced, and there were those who grieved. In our Fatherland, there are also plenty of bastards without shame and conscience.

[-Traveler-]

Quote: Uranus

how inhuman they rejoiced when they shot down su 24

I remember how happy we were on September 11, 2001

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: -Traveller-

I remember how happy we were on September 11, 2001

I do not remember

[-Traveler-]

in his eye ...
September 11 was in the service (tax police), when it all started everyone ran into the duty room (there was a telly) and watched a report from New York. I would call the general emotional background joyful surprise.

[Sirocco]

Quote: -Traveller-

I would call the general emotional background joyful surprise.

You add here 1999 Yugoslavia. Then the joyful surprise of your colleagues will become clear.
Unlike yours, we did not have applause, there was a misunderstanding of what was happening, and the type for which we fought for it and ran into it, recalling Yugoslavia to them.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: -Traveller-

September 11 was in the service (tax police),

Quote: -Traveller-

background I would call joyful surprise.

Ah, the tax police, people without conscience and honor, as they were called then. Well, they could be glad.

[yushch]

Well, the prime minister publicly said who walks in the brothers of the Turks. When the thugs captured Aleppo, he did not talk about helping the brothers, and when the SAA and the militia began to successfully grind the thugs there, the Turkish prime minister spoke of the brothers.

[Aleksander]

Quote: avvg

, there will definitely be a provocation from Turkey

Crazy people! Only there are not enough .....

[Tatar 174]

Quote: avvg

Oh, there will definitely be a provocation from Turkey.

Turkey has always waged wars with the aim of seizing territories or plundering its neighbors, including with Russia. This policy continues now, they want to have time to grab at least something in the "troubled waters" of the war in Syria under various plausible pretexts. This is where their whole policy is built.

[Voha_krim]

The level of anti-Russian rhetoric in the Turkish leadership has already crossed that critical line, which should be followed by direct action. Davutoglu’s statement is noteworthy and dangerous precisely because in Turkish society it will be perceived (and already perceived) as the basis for the invasion of Syria, based on the “duties” of the Turkish people. Although then, when these events took place, the Turkish people did not yet exist. We are talking about the glorification of a very small period in the history of modern Turkey (not the historical Ottoman Empire), when Ataturk and his associates created the Turkish state and Turkish ethnic group.

http://vz.ru/politics/2016/2/9/793285.html

[Sirocco]

Quote: Voha_krim

The level of anti-Russian rhetoric in the Turkish leadership has already crossed that critical line, which should be followed by direct action.

I think that this is "pumping up" the civilian population, raising patriotism and fighting spirit, I see everything went at the same time both in the EU and in Turkey, creating an image of an enemy from Russia? There is only one target, sooner or later, the gun hanging on the stage will shoot. Well, if a miracle happens, and the gun misfires, then we get countries with a hostile majority, as in the case of Poland and Ukraine.

[Blondy]

Quote: avvg

It is clear that there will be provocations from Turkey.

Naturally - "unidentified" armed formations of terrorists, which implies a corresponding reaction of the army of the SAR and the Russian Aerospace Forces.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: avvg

It is clear that there will be provocations from Turkey.

- I am interested in Lavrov's reaction (of course, at the suggestion of the GDP). After all, the UNAUTHORIZED invasion of Syria by Turkish troops can be declared a hostile act against Russia as well. So everything further depends on the Russian point of view on this entry of Turkish troops, as well as our determination to put these "heroes" in their place.

[sgazeev]

Quote: avvg

It is clear that there will be provocations from Turkey.

This hydrocephalus is trickier than a cocky goat.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: sgazeev

This hydrocephalus is trickier than a cocky goat.

This Davutoglu most likely does not accidentally make statements that are often at odds with Erdogan's statements.
He stated that he personally gave the order to destroy the plane, when Erdogan resisted and said that he did not know that the plane was Russian, now against the background of Erdogan calling Konoshenkov's statements "ridiculous", this miracle broadcasts that Aleppo should be supported and thus pushes his patron to exacerbate the situation.
It seems that this "OGlu" sees himself in Erdogan's place, and by making such statements he simply furnishes Erdogan with flags, narrowing his room for maneuver. This dwarf is cunning and not stupid.

[Loreal]

Why, then, not Russia enter into a defensive alliance with Syria (as the United States since 1944 with Iceland). Then if the Turks repay Aleppo’s debt, then Russia will return its Syria.
Is Aleppo somewhere in Syria?

[Kunar]

Definitely, if they don’t drown, then they will hang this whole gang.

[Dam]

Well then, they will repay the debt, not Aleppo, but Kurds, Armenians. They owed them a lot, half the territory. Yes, and we will need straits

[222222]

HISTORY already heard !!
"Shortly before the storming of the fortress, IZMAIL Suvorov sent an extremely short and clear letter of ultimatum to the head of the fortress, the great serasker Aidozle-Mehmet Pasha, in Suvorov style:" I arrived here with the troops. Twenty-four hours to think - and will. My first shot is already captivity The assault is death. ”The answer of the great serasker was worthy:“ The Danube will sooner flow backward and the sky will fall to the ground than Ishmael will surrender ”.
Victory near Ishmael was dedicated to the anthem “Thunder of victory, give out!”, Which until 1816 was considered the unofficial anthem of the Russian Empire.

[g1v2]

It seems to me alone that he looks like Mikhalych from our rush? Can he find his Doolin?

[Volzhanin]

Spit - a matter of principle. Honor is more expensive.

[P81]

As they were rotten people, they remained! I pretended to be friends, but in fact such friends for x .., yes, to the museum! They will play out in rebuilding their Ottoman Empire, become even smaller in area.

[Hooks]

His bearded "brothers from Aleppo" have already come for debt on their own, only the Turks do not let them cross the border.) They made a scarecrow of them for Mrs. Chancellor.

[Alexander Romanov]

Simultaneously with the announcement by this ISIS curator, exercises began in South Ossetia of Russia.

[Michael]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Simultaneously with the announcement by this ISIS curator, exercises began in South Ossetia of Russia.

And what is the use of these teachings of Russia? They are trying to push the whole world ..)))) The money is already ending .. It would be better to make normal roads with this money!

[Mountain shooter]

Here's how to jump the Turks in Aleppo, so extinguish everything that is possible and impossible. So that everyone remains there. But indeed, it is worth the army of the SAR to liberate Aleppo, so the barmalei will run from Syria. Since there will be nothing to catch there. And then the coalition will have to do something in Iraq, and not imitate activity. I don’t feel like it ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Here's how to jump the Turks in Aleppo, so extinguish with everything that is possible and impossible

In Syria, we have too little strength. In any case, the clash with the NATO country goes on.

[udincev]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In any case, the clash with the NATO country follows.

Anyway, but! If they want to participate in giveaways Turkey. Which, it will thank Russia with a downed plane, then it will find a reason for the gift of thanks to the Syrians

[sl22277]

But the Turks did not forget to ask Bashar al-Assad. Maybe the "help" of Turkey is not required? I think the Turks need to break their imperial ambitions left over from the Ottoman Empire and fulfill their historical duty to Armenia, return the Kara region, or the Cypriots half of Cyprus ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: sl22277

I think the Turks need to break their imperial ambitions left over from the Ottoman Empire

I hope this is your last koment and now you are going to the draft board, breaking the ridge to the Turks. Bravo, well done.

[Armored optimist]

Pidorgan, like many eastern people, screams a lot, but loses time, for fear of nevertheless climbing into an open fight. The Murakans said they did not consider the Kurds to be terrorists. This is another hint that in the confrontation with Russia they will not support him. It seems that until he decides, Russia and Assad will also decide everything, and there will be nobody to save him already.

[Loreal]

It seems they provoke him to this confrontation. They do not consider Kurds to be terrorists but Russians.

[Saints]

May the debt be returned to the Armenians.

[guznorodov]

no support from america. Not the fact that they will climb.

[Panabebis]

no support from america. Not the fact that they will climb.

So it will be if they climb :)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: guznorodov

no support from america.

Not??? Come on

[dchegrinec]

There were many such "eagles" at different times. Only after the first shot they were usually blown away by the wind and then searched all over the world.

[vic58]

"Great Portka" smells again! So you look and see the future of Gayrope

[rotmistr60]

his country "is ready to return the historical debt to the inhabitants of Aleppo"

In Turkey, there are now two main people (I have not mentioned the chief foreign minister) who drive this country into such troubles that the Turks have not dreamed about for a long time. Hearing these names for some reason, right before my eyes, there is a picture of Musolini hanging upside down (aka Duce).

[Trailer]

Fearfully. It is terrible that because of some crazy fools a big war is coming!

[Alexandr2637]

as it turned out, understands the need to use Turkish troops in the area of ​​the city of Aleppo

Which, as I understand it, will lead to a direct military clash between Turkey and Russia.

[sl22277]

Not so categorically, but this probability increases. Although .., hardly.

[fif21]

Another example of how the Turks repay debt directly with a knife in the back. It is worth recalling that Russia always comes to its debtors in the form of an aunt with a scythe.

[Stinger]

It would be better for them not to recall historical debts. And then the Armenians will remember, and the Bulgarians and even dill. Many other. The rulers shook the little mind. They bit the bit, turned off the brains, and increasingly drove themselves into a corner.

[VP]

Nope, it won’t take off.
There will be no air support. And without air support it will be crap. There, near Aleppo, the Syrians now have more than one disheveled brigade, you can't take them to show-off. Moreover, the Turks have no combat experience and the Syrians have heaps of it. And from the north of Aleppo, the Syrian Kurds "adore" Erdogans. Iranian "volunteers" may also be involved.
There will definitely not be a blitz krieg. Great sense too. They won’t be able to seriously influence anything there, they have been bugging some kind of wilted Kurdish town on their territory for a long time, and here the combat units with heavy weapons, with experience, with air support (even if ours do not fit in, the Syrians themselves already have what to fly on)

[Mera joota]

Quote: VP

There, near Aleppo, the Syrians now have more than one disheveled brigade, you won’t take them to the show-offs.

Quote: VP

Iranian "volunteers" may also be involved.

There the Iranians are fighting, plus Shiite militants from Iraq, plus Hezbollahs, in general, the hodgepodge is still there.

Quote: VP

Moreover, the Turks do not have combat experience, but the Syrians have heaps of it.

Well, in any case, recently in the Eastern Ghout, the Palestinians were sent under machine guns, the rebels put them all down.

[VP]

In fact, I persuade myself more, yet the Turks have no toy army, albeit without experience in conducting intensive military operations.
It all depends on what kind of forces the Turks will be able to concentrate, what kind of losses will be critical for them, and what kind of combat stability the Turks have in general.
The fact that walking for them will not be for sure. The fact that the Kurds from the north can stick them in the back - too.
The fact that ours will help with the neutralization of electronic communications by EW will also not be a surprise.
But what comes of it ...
And why the Turks need it - it makes sense to climb into a foreign country if there is confidence in the final achievement of their goals with acceptable damage.

[Mera joota]

Quote: VP

albeit without experience of intense fighting

Well, then they regularly conducted operations against the PKK using equipment, not only the police forces are fighting the PKK. And this has been going on for decades, blood has been shed a lot and is still pouring. This is not to say that the Turkish military is completely unfired.

Quote: VP

The fact that Kurds from the north can stick to them from behind is also

This is doubtful, the Kurds are not going smoothly, there is no unity ... and the forces of one PKK are clearly not enough for this.

Quote: VP

The fact that ours will help with the neutralization of electronic communications by EW will also not be a surprise.

EW ground facilities have a small range and are more intended for cover. To neutralize the control of enemy troops, specialized EW aircraft are required, which we do not have.

Quote: VP

And why the Turks need it - it makes sense to climb into a foreign country if there is confidence in the final achievement of their goals with acceptable damage.

Not to the Turks, but to Erdogan. He clearly does not have the size of the damage in the first place. If the goal is achieved even with great losses, he will do it ... such is the plan of all dictators ...

[VP]

Well, then they regularly conducted operations against the PKK using equipment, not only the police forces are fighting the PKK. And this has been going on for decades, blood has been shed a lot and is still pouring. This is not to say that the Turkish military is completely unfired.

I specified - of great intensity.
The scale of the fighting is not the same. There are more punitive raids.
The PKK has neither tanks, nor MLRS, nor aviation, nor artillery, nor coordination.

This is doubtful, the Kurds are not going smoothly, there is no unity ... and the forces of one PKK are clearly not enough for this.

At the moment, the Syrian Kurds are successfully smashing Babai and cutting them off from the Turkish border. Those. military potential is present in them. And the PKK there or someone else, it seems to me that this is not a big difference.

EW ground facilities have a small range and are more intended for cover. To neutralize the control of enemy troops, specialized EW aircraft are required, which we do not have.

What for ? For example, Krasukha is up to 300 km, and, for example, the old Soviet Mandate is more than 50. The assortment in EW is not small.
I don’t know what is there, but they must have done something for sure.

Quote: Mera Joota

Not to the Turks, but to Erdogan. He clearly does not have the size of the damage in the first place. If the goal is achieved even with great losses, he will do it ... such is the plan of all dictators ...

I agree, Erdogan is little predictable, of course.

[Mera joota]

What for ? For example, Kraukha up to 300 km,

yes, of course ... the same bubble that no one notices ...
I repeat. All this is nonsense and everything will depend on the carriage that will be under Erdogan’s tail.

[Evgeny K.]

Quote: VP

The fact that ours will help with the neutralization of electronic communications by EW will also not be a surprise.
But what comes of it ...

Ours will have to answer not only with electronic warfare. Turks can seriously enter only with support from the air, and we will be forced to shoot down their planes. We were pinned to the wall.

[4494688]

It seems to me alone that their prime minister has a very cunning face .. Type - I’m all on ... pu. In response to this, there is a good Russian proverb, but, unfortunately, also with mates ..

[-Traveler-]

he has a really sly erysipelas ... because he’s cunning and well-worn. and we have him with Erdogan for nonsense consider. something I did not meet cunning idiots.

[Michael]

Come on Turkey go for it Israel will support!

[ALEA IACTA EST]

The Turks have not received a face in the face for a century, and now they are insolent: the conditioned reflex needs constant reinforcement.

[VP]

Quote: aksakal

NATO will not join - the fifth article is to help the attacked states, and here Turkey itself invades.

The worst thing here is that the Turks in the event of a military conflict with the participation of Russia can close the Bosphorus. And then you have to unblock it. And here, if desired, it can be summed up under the "attack".
In general, NATO, our potential conflict is beneficial - it does not oblige them to necessarily enter into it, but it gives an opportunity to choose. And draws the Russian Federation into a conflict that it does not need.

[Mera joota]

Quote: VP

The worst thing is that the Turks in the event of a military conflict with the participation of Russia can close the Bosphorus. And then you have to unlock it.

And how will you "unblock" it? What forces and means are there for this? Well, except for nuclear weapons of course.

[VP]

KR, of course. No nuclear munitions. They are enough to disable coastal defense infrastructure.
These are stationary objects and lines, the exact location of which is known, these are not alah-babahs wandering back and forth.

[Mera joota]

Quote: VP

KR, of course. No nuclear munitions. They are enough to disable coastal defense infrastructure.
These are stationary objects and lines, the exact location of which is known, these are not alah-babahs wandering back and forth.

The width of the Bosphorus Strait in a bottleneck is 700m, roll up artillery from any coast and swamp everything, where will you direct the Kyrgyz Republic? For each gun?

[VP]

I did not capture the Bosporus, but I think that the operation to neutralize the Turks on its shores is feasible under certain conditions.
Coastal batteries, command posts, deployment of lines, communication lines, take-offs of airfields leading to the coast of the road and bridges - all this can be disabled without occupation and keep the coast under control during the passage of ships. The artillery still needs to be delivered and set in position, with a broken supply road infrastructure it is more difficult to do.
Please do not understand how "fought, damn it, kutuzov." It's just that in the case of a blockade of the strait, this particular method of action seems to me to be more optimal.
And there are not many
1. Say "oh, figas" and wait for years for Turkey to open the straits.
2. Kernel loaf adversary
3. SchA as we drop the landing and wow.

[Mera joota]

Quote: VP

It’s just that in the case of a blockage of the strait, it is precisely this method of action that seems to me more optimal.

I think I will not reveal a secret, but any country that controls such facilities as the Black Sea straits takes measures to build some fortifications and conduct appropriate exercises to cover from air, sea and land. Judging by the Turkish fortresses, they took care of this for a long time. Therefore, unblocking the straits without an amphibious operation is simply not possible, and there simply is no means for this.

[-Traveler-]

if they block the straits, they will do so in accordance with the Montreux Convention (read it in the original in consultant +). In this case, Russia's attack on Turkey will be the reason for the war with NATO.

[VP]

And blocking the straits is in itself a cause for war. Whether NATO will join it is already the choice of NATO itself, they can always find the trick not to intervene.

[-Traveler-]

read the convention - blocking the straits is just an excuse to vote for signatories to the convention and members of the UN Security Council, no more.

[VP]

And here is no longer a convention, what does it have to do with it?
There is a strike on the territory of a NATO member country.
And whether NATO decides to stick it in or not depends on NATO itself - they can wriggle "Turkey started first in Syria, we are not in business in this case." And they can and harness.

[Mera joota]

Saudi military equipment is seen in Jordan going to the Syrian border

http://www.vz.ru/news/2016/2/9/793199.html

Will they come from two sides?

[Belousov]

I look here so many strategists and tactics gathered, but they just forget about two important points:
1. If the Turks trample on Aleppo, then they will have a serious advantage in technology and manpower over the Syrian army and us. The Syrians, of course, know how to fight, but 4 years in a row are very exhausting. This is even without their allies from ISIS and other groups. You can of course say that "we will quickly land all Turkish planes there, etc.", but here we come to the second point.
2. Will there be a retaliation order? Or again we will only threaten the tomatoes? It seems to me that our elites (although what kind of ours are they? They have long chosen the other side, closer to bank accounts) will not again aggravate the situation. Once again, we express our concern, call the Turkish ambassador on the carpet, hand out medals and orders to the dead and ... quickly change flight plans. I don’t really want to see this, but there are suspicions that it will be so.

[VP]

It seems to me that our elites (although what kind of ours are they? They have long chosen the other side, closer to bank accounts) will not again aggravate the situation

I recognize the topwar
How to join Crimea as "oh, how cool everything is, what decisive guys we are, hurray." As neponyatki in the situation so "there are all traitors with bank accounts, phew."

[Xergey]

This is not the same in the case of a downed plane, we didn’t have options there just because we flew to the Turks and they blundered, we had to attack or do as we did, and then there will be an attack from the Turks and this is protection, otherwise That there will be an order is for sure, you understand that in the absence of an order, everything will end badly for us and then the GDP will have no options to further contain the contradictions.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: aksakal

and I repeat once again - Russia has conventional forces above the roof for Turkey. Sudden exercises took place in the Southern Military District, the troops were on full alert, the Caspian Flotilla was loaded to capacity with "Calibers". It looks like Russia is ready to strike from the rear. In a sense, the Turks will strike to the south, towards Aleppo, where they will enter into a clash with the Syrian and Kurdish troops, and the main blow to the Turks will be from the North. And I DO NOT VERY UNDERSTAND why there is such an indiscriminate weapon as nuclear weapons? NATO will not join - the fifth article is to help the attacked states, and here Turkey itself invades. But it can provide military-technical and information assistance. So what? How much will this delay the death of Turkey as a state? Hardly for a month ...

A colleague, I did not quite understand, the main blow to the Turks from the North, in your words, where is this? For Turkish troops in Syria? Will not be far to hit? And if in Turkey itself, which is much more logical - then all of NATO will join in the fun, we will not explain to anyone that Turkey first started by invading Syria, and again the case will end thereby with the nuclear weapons that you are opposed to, it will not work otherwise. Euronews has just announced the construction by the Turks of refugee camps in the Syrian territory. And everything is fine, everyone is happy with everything, only ours are fluttering, but so timidly and weakly that they are not visible and not heard at all.

[33 Watcher]

Interesting another, why, not logged in a month ago? When the surroundings of Aleppo could be occupied without problems ..? What did they wait until the Syrians come to the border and take Aleppo into the ring ..? Why complicate your life? Some kind of stupidity ...
All the same, I am inclined to believe that they take on a show. In Iraq, they won a piece of land in Tihari, and they sit quietly, without fighting, without loss. What prevented in Syria from doing the same? Also, do they create difficulties for themselves, with the goal of overcoming them heroically ..? All the same, this is chatter with rattling, however ... Well, let's see.

[natakor1949]

Petsya Poroshenko, too, has been planning to return the Crimea for more than a year now, apparently Davutoglu from him contracted an unrealizable disease. Well, well, dreaming is not bad.

[AdekvatNICK]

similar to Davutaglu))))

[-Traveler-]

was a hundred times, the joke no longer feeds.

[sodick]

Or maybe he is?

[Dave36]

Yes, in general, everything is incomprehensible, we will reach sandstorms, we will gain time. We don’t need a war with Turkey over Arabs .. In the world they have long decided - Syria as a country does not exist, Assad is not. As my friend REBovets told me (only from there) .. Everything can start any minute (((

[Monster_Fat]

Everything unfolds according to the same scenario according to which the previous world wars unfolded - a "hot spot" is "artificially" created, then a provocation is created there and an occupation begins, which causes retaliatory actions and "voila" - a world in a state of world war It will be the same in Syria. As soon as the Syrian army reaches the border with Turkey, the Turks will accuse Syria of shelling their territory and casualties among the "civilian" population and immediately bring their army into Syrian territory. On the other hand, the Turks will immediately be supported by the Saudis with their coalition, also sending troops into Syria. And then, ... and then, welcome the world to the "third world war".

[sharp-lad]

It's time to help the Byzantine brothers, well, or in memory of them.

[Achilles]

Most likely, Turkey will cross the border of Syria, but the big question is, what should we do or bomb the Turks or close our eyes again? I need to be bombed for me, if we don’t do it, then in the future they will wipe our feet about us, but as the story says, the Russians didn’t when they betrayed and didn’t allow anyone to wipe their feet

[madjik]

Gentlemen, can I ask a question regarding Europe?
We took the fashion to compare everything, and strive to Europe, is it not a shame for such a state, with a thousand-year history, to strive and compare ourselves with the fallen Angels from the EU?
Maybe we will look on the other hand, this is Europe part of Russia, because it is located on the outskirts of the Eurasian continent, and they are stubbornly trying to join Russia, not only in a peaceful way, but in a military way. It's time to look differently, maybe the glass is not half empty, but half full. [/ Quote]
RETURNING TO PUTIN'S WORDS that Lenin planted a bomb under Russia. This is how to look! This bomb was intended to fit into the whole world, i.e. it was about expanding the USSR. an example is the French Soviet Socialist Republic, the Spanish Soviet Socialist Republic, etc.

[stas]

Not called assistant - there is no worse Turk!

[fa2998]

Maybe Davutoglu forgot that a lot has changed since those times! And Aleppo is no longer in the Ottoman Empire, but in an independent country. Otherwise, we will remember that the Poles, Finns and natives of Central Asia and Transcaucasia also served the Russian Empire and defended the Soviet Union. " we will help "them with tank columns, we will return, so to speak," historical debt. "

[triglav]

Apparently, he did not manage to agree on rhetoric with Erdogan ...

So both of them recently disagree with their heads.

[AdekvatNICK]

For the first time, Turkey and the United States made statements without bothering to coordinate their statements among themselves)