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Between sky and water

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Correspondent "MIC" was in the footsteps of the Caspian monster


Veterans of our fleet and shipbuilders are proud to recall the turmoil in NATO caused by the Soviet ekranoplanes - uncontrolled air defense systems, low-flying, all-weather broad-based vehicles: missile carriers, landing, rescue, cargo, passenger ... In the XNUMXst century, these devices are born again in our country.

The first serious developments of flying super vehicles in the USSR date back to the early 60s. The pioneers were the Gorky Central Design Bureau for Hydrofoil Ships (TsKB by SPK) led by Rostislav Alekseev and Taganrog aviation KB led by Robert Bartini. Scientists made the so-called screen effect work — the lift of the incoming air flow, when the “wind” from the soaring wing reaches the surface of the earth or water, is reflected and manages to return back to the wing, increasing the pressure under it and providing flight. A start in the life of the new development was given by the then Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee (future Minister of Defense of the USSR) Dmitry Ustinov and Navy Commander-in-Chief Sergei Gorshkov.

"Eagles" millions remained a dream


Special flight test laboratories were organized on the Volga and the Caspian, and by the middle of the 60-s they managed to build a unique, the largest for those times aircraft - KM ekranoplan (prototype ship, however, Western intelligence agencies decoded this abbreviation as a Caspian monster) . This hundred-meter hero with a wingspan of 37,6 meter once flew into the air with a take-off weight of 544 tons, setting a world record.

“Valery Polovinkin:“ The main advantage of an airplane is the stealth. Even from the satellite it is difficult to detect it, because it has a blurred outline. And it is very correct that at last they paid attention to the construction of WIG "
In 1972, the first serial military “Orlyonok” screentop vehicle was assembled, intended for the transfer of amphibious assault forces to a range of 1500 kilometers. According to data from open sources, it was planned to build more than two dozen of such “Orlyat”, capable of rising to a two-kilometer height, but before the collapse of the USSR only five managed to stand on the wing.

In 1987, tests began on the Lun strike missile-launch vehicle with six 3M-80 Mosquito anti-ship missiles on board. However, this project also stopped with the collapse of the Soviet Union. And even the first model of civilian wig "Volga-2" did not have time to become a serial and died along with the USSR.

Rumor has it that our overseas "partners" showed a special zeal in destroying the production of many advanced Soviet developments, including ekranoplans, directly or through their agents of influence. In any case, the “iron curtain” hardly collapsed, the probable friends made sure that they showed “Orlyonok” with certain technical documentation, after which similar devices suddenly appeared in the US ...

In our country, only the 2000 were returned to the revival of the construction of the WIG.

Two dozens of small five-seaters Amfistar and its upgraded version Aquaglide, under the supervision of the Russian Maritime Register of Shipping, were released by Amphibious Transport Technologies (ATT CJSC) and Arctic Trade and Transport Company (ATTC). In development - machines with a loading capacity of 20 tons.

Its own model, the C-90 screen with a payload of up to 4,5 tons and a flight range of over three thousand kilometers in the altitude range from 0,5 to four thousand meters, was demonstrated by the Sukhoi Design Bureau.

Nizhny Novgorod and Petrozavodsk are developing the production of Orion-20 ekranoplan with a displacement of up to 10 tons and a passenger capacity of 21 people. Its version of the 24-local “Burevestnik-24” screened vehicle with a payload of tons of 3,5 was created by the Sky Plus Sea design bureau.

The Alekseev Central Design Bureau, together with NPP Radar Mms, is preparing for the construction of the next generation of ekranoplans with a payload from 50 to 600 tons. The working portfolio includes transport and cargo-passenger vehicles capable of moving loads of up to two to three thousand tons.

Production services of Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Irkutsk, Moscow, Chkalovsk offered their services in mastering new technology ...

Laboratory rocket carrier


Between sky and waterAre there too many developers and in general how much demand for ekranoplanes in today's conditions, the adviser to the general director of the Krylov State Scientific Center (head shipbuilding research institute), doctor of technical sciences, professor, honored scientist of Russia Valery Polovinkin told the Military Industrial Courier? ekranoplanostroeniya need to be considered from several positions. The first one is rather trivial, but technologically important: this device undergoes exceptional loads in its movement, especially when it gets on the wing (during takeoff, during landing). Therefore, even an ekranoplan from the point of view of creating advanced technologies that will be equally used in aircraft construction and shipbuilding, is primarily a research, laboratory base, verification of constructive, materials science and technology solutions. As well as from the standpoint of improving management systems: the device must be obedient at ultra-low altitudes, to behave accurately and relaxed for pilots. And here we have the most complex object and research base. The same goes for construction materials. Extreme loads help to find solutions that in the future can be implemented in aircraft manufacturing and shipbuilding. All this is obvious.

From the point of view of the future use of WIG, when they were created by the great designer Rostislav Alekseev and his bureau, were considered in several ways. The first is a lifeguard, a vehicle that is quickly, quickly delivered to the disaster area to help people and their evacuation. Ekranoplans can do without airfields, start from the water surface, from the ground, from the ice. The second option: ekranoplan - a means of transporting the assault force, special forces. The third option, which was supported by both the commander-in-chief of the Navy, Sergei Gorshkov, and the Minister of Defense, Dmitry Ustinov, which Alekseev realized: the ability of these vehicles to carry rocket weapon.

The main advantage of WIG - their stealth. It is very difficult to detect this object against the background of the sea, especially when it is disturbing. He can quietly approach the goal and strike or land some means. Even from the satellite it is difficult to detect it, because it has a blurred outline - a low-contrast spot. And it is very correct that at last they paid attention to the construction of the wig. ”

Waiting for a single customer


“Now the main trouble,” Valery Polovinkin continues “debriefing”, is not so much in the absence of any engineering ideas, but in absolutely unreasonable duplication of developments. I can call you in the Far East a very serious group of specialists who create their own architecture, their own approaches to ekranoplanes. There is an association of ekranoplanostroeniya in Moscow under the leadership of Oleg Volik, they have their own developments, two experimental devices, they have ideas to build a composite production in Petrozavodsk. The next group is the Morinsforms-Agat concern with the Alekseevsky bureau. They have their own ambitions and plans for the creation of ekranoplans. So it turns out, as in the fable "Swan, Cancer and Pike."

But the tasks in ekranoplanostroeniya alone, and critical technologies are common, without the solution of which the idea will not be realized. First, you need to join forces to create a power plant. This is the “snagging” of either a helicopter gas turbine engine, or a tank engine, which at one time was on the T-80. We need a modern reliable unit that will work in a fairly aggressive environment, sea air, salt and other things. Secondly, efforts need to be combined to create relevant materials. This is not about metals, because under the operating conditions of a ground-effect vehicle (WIG) they will corrode and deform so quickly that the resource will be extremely limited. Consequently, it is necessary not to spray funds, but to create uniform structures, at least for the nomenclature of composites. We at the Krylov Institute conduct tests of the wing, each of the designers gives his own material, this is not normal. It is necessary at least jointly to understand that this will be: a set of carbon fiber constructions (especially now with the development of nanotechnology), next-generation composite materials, which are not inferior, but much stronger than metal ones, and most importantly - they have no residual deformation. Need to work together. And a single customer for ekranoplans may well be both in defense and in civilian use. After all, there was already a promise at the level of the country's leadership to create something like an airplane wig on the Kaliningrad-Petersburg line. In order not to cross the border, it would be worthwhile to organize such a transport system. And its analogue is calculated for Yakutia, Siberia, and other remote regions. The Far East is attractive for introduction of ekranoplanes.

By and large, each technical or combat means has its own niches, where its application is most optimal. And for ekranoplans such specialization is offered, even a few, we have already spoken about them. This is, without a doubt, a lifesaver. Better than an ekranoplan, no one can cope with the task of evacuating people in an accident at oil and gas fields. It is also more convenient to throw special-purpose groups to the enemy’s rear with such a device. Make the best use of WIG for monitoring and protecting the state border and other strategic facilities.

The family of ekranoplans may consist of large, medium and small devices that must be created for the performance of specific tasks. If you carry out scientific reasoning, any technique will seem too expensive, unprofitable, and if everything is calculated, substantiated and compared with the level of problems solved, it turns out to be quite acceptable, and even economical enough.

The fleet is not built by individual models - only by divisions, squadrons, larger units. So with ekranoplans. Their place in the ranks will be determined, and it will be filled.

In the meantime, this is an excellent research base for developing new technologies designed for the decade ahead. And in order for them to develop more efficiently, it is important not to spread the available funds on several designers, but to unite the efforts, the scientific production and creative potential of all those who are ailing for the future of Russian ekranoplans. ”
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  1. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 14 February 2016 06: 22
    +7
    What? Good thing! 8 "calibers" or "Iskander", at a speed of 500 km / h, delivering to a certain point in the sea, while increasing the range of missiles by 100-200 kilometers ("Iskander" to Turkey, for example, or to Romania to get missile defense in Europe) can be very upset " partners "
    1. Simple
      Simple 14 February 2016 12: 55
      +2
      Neither "Caliber", much less "Iskander" can take off at a high-speed pressure of the atmosphere of 500 km / h (stick your head out the Auto window at 100 km / h).
      On ep on cruising, only an inclined start is possible ...
      1. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 14 February 2016 13: 42
        +9
        Quote: Just
        Neither "Caliber", much less "Iskander" can take off at a high-speed pressure of the atmosphere of 500 km / h (stick your head out the Auto window at 100 km / h).
        On ep on cruising, only an inclined start is possible ...

        Our designers have already solved the problem of launching missiles from aircraft flying on supersonic. In the rest of the world, this has not yet been achieved. So I think launching rockets from moving ekranoplanes is not such a difficult task.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 14 February 2016 14: 03
          +1
          supersonic cruise missiles from strategic bombers? as far as I know, no.

          I will be glad to make a mistake
          1. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 14 February 2016 15: 53
            0
            Quote: Tlauicol
            supersonic cruise missiles from strategic bombers?

            Not on bombers, but on fighters ...
            1. Throw
              Throw 14 February 2016 21: 34
              0
              It remains only to make an ekranoplan out of a fighter and attach an Iskander to it laughing

              "Geniuses" of design thought ... fool
        2. Simple
          Simple 14 February 2016 14: 12
          +4
          Let me remind you: caliber, Iskander - vertical start.
          What is supersonic?
          Ships of the Caspian flotilla and submarine fired at zero speed.
          ------------
          Our designers decided to start with supersonic?
          Where? On what?
          On the interaction of a rocket with an airborne aircraft
          ..... a funny phenomenon that accompanies rocket launches at supersonic speeds. When the front shock wave of the aircraft crosses due to the forward center of pressure being shifted, the rocket has a moment to convert, which was revealed during the purge of the A-12 model. Thus, the rocket could get into its own plane. There are two ways to deal with this: by firing a rocket with the help of a catapult launcher beyond the front of the head shock wave of the aircraft or by giving the rocket a pitch angle of at least 30 gr.
      2. avdkrd
        avdkrd 15 February 2016 01: 06
        +1
        Quote: Just
        Neither "Caliber", much less "Iskander" can take off at a high-speed pressure of the atmosphere of 500 km / h (stick your head out the Auto window at 100 km / h).
        On ep on cruising, only an inclined start is possible ...

        Well, maybe of course the existing versions of the Caliber can not start at a speed of 500 km / h. but believe me - the underwater launch of these same Gauges is a much more complicated task. It is not a supersonic issue, but to adapt a cruise missile to launch by analogy with an airplane is not such an impossible task. In addition to the Caliber and the Iskander mentioned, the RA has the widest range of cruise and anti-ship missiles, including those with an air launch.
        1. goose
          goose 16 February 2016 11: 26
          0
          An air launch at subsonic speed - not only is it the simplest compared to ground or underwater, it also increases the characteristics of the rocket due to the fact that it does not need an accelerator and fuel consumption for climbing and speed. Well, it simplifies the design. The cost of airborne variants of the Kyrgyz Republic, as a rule, is 20-25% lower than analogues with a ground launch.
    2. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 14 February 2016 15: 11
      +2
      Please do not consider me a layman ... I read a lot about ekranoplanes in the USSR. But practically I did not hear anything about ekranoplans in the USA, Europe or China. Is this Soviet development still ahead of time? Or in other countries have the ekranoplans considered unnecessary? I ask specialists to clarify.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 14 February 2016 15: 45
        0
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        I ask specialists to clarify.

        A million times already at VO chewed this topic ..
      2. Throw
        Throw 14 February 2016 21: 49
        +1
        Raccoon, no further than yesterday they were chewing on the topic of "ekranoplan cranes".
        He himself wrote about ES for a long time.
        See articles and comments.

        In general, this topic has already specifically tucked up, as well as about military prodigies. Some searchlights and a talking room-exhaust for half a penny.

        The thesis of the "stealth" of the EP is endlessly chasing. She was. Half a century ago. And now the overwhelming number of air defense systems detect small-sized high-speed targets (KR, anti-ship missiles, UAVs). And the ekranoplan "won't fit into the sight."
        About the "drop of troops in rear enemy "in the article - generally a paragraph. They knock down even without air defense, from an RPG am
        1. goose
          goose 16 February 2016 11: 31
          0
          Quote: Lance
          The thesis of the "stealth" of the EP is endlessly chasing. She was. Half a century ago. And now the overwhelming number of air defense systems detect small-sized high-speed targets (KR, anti-ship missiles, UAVs). And the ekranoplan "won't fit into the sight."

          You did not quite understand the quality characteristics of the ekranoplan: the B-52, being smaller than the ekranoplan, is detected by air defense systems at a distance of about 700 km, a ship with a displacement of about 4000 tons - at a range of at least 200-300 km. The effective range of detection by air defense radars of the Eaglet-type ekranoplan will obviously be less than 100 km.

          Those. in fact, this is several times less than the range of weapons that he can drag on himself.
          1. Throw
            Throw 17 February 2016 15: 31
            0
            It is you who did not quite understand the characteristics of the existing systems of AWACS))

            The E-2C Hawkeye with the AN / APS-145 radar has a minimum patrol range of 300 km (without refueling!) And detects a low-altitude fighter-type target against the background of any underlying surface at a distance of more than 400 km.

            Add two numbers, and then compare "fighter type" and "eaglet type" by EPR ... wink
            1. Generalissimo
              Generalissimo 23 February 2016 12: 58
              -1
              You do not quite understand the curvature of the underlying surface.
            2. Generalissimo
              Generalissimo 23 February 2016 14: 20
              -1
              The Hawkeye patrols usually at a distance of 120 km and at an altitude of 4,5-7,5 km, which gives a much smaller detection radius, especially for low-altitude targets. At the same time, the maximum speed of the E-2 is the same as that of the ekranoplan, which will detect the radiation from its radar and calmly bypass it, or will release its anti-ship missiles earlier.
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 14 February 2016 23: 43
        +3
        Not special, just googled. Almost everything requested in Russian links to our resources.
        Vicky reported on the wholesale and retail trade in Rodina in the 90s:
        In the 1990s, the story of ekranoplanes in the United States received a completely unexpected turn. Having analyzed the prospects of this type of technology and came to the conclusion that there is a significant lag in work (due to the actual lack thereof) in the field of ekranoplanostroeniya, the US Congress created a special commission designed to develop a plan for the development of ekranoplanes. The members of the commission proposed to turn to Russian specialists for help and went directly to the Central Design Bureau for SEC. The latter’s leadership informed Moscow and received permission from the Goskomoboronprom and the Ministry of Defense to conduct negotiations with the Americans under the auspices of the Commission for Export Control of Arms, Military Equipment and Technologies of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The Russian side agreed to organize a visit by American researchers to the base in Kaspiysk for only 200 thousand dollars, where they were able without any restrictions to shoot in detail a photo and video film prepared for the launch, specially for this visit, “Orlyonok”. After this visit, the Americans began to develop their own ekranoletov.

        Like this !
        Our specialists worked, and the top for 30 pieces of silver passed over to fellow employees!
        Take it, use it, now we are not enemies! Ugh !!!
      4. spravochnik
        spravochnik 14 February 2016 23: 49
        0
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        Please do not consider me a layman ... I read a lot about ekranoplanes in the USSR. But practically I did not hear anything about ekranoplans in the USA, Europe or China. Is this Soviet development still ahead of time? Or in other countries have the ekranoplans considered unnecessary? I ask specialists to clarify.

        They listened poorly. China is very closely involved in ekranoplans (several organizations at once) and have long built several experimental devices.
  2. venaya
    venaya 14 February 2016 06: 43
    14
    friends made sure they were shown the "Eaglet" and with certain technical documentation, after which similar devices suddenly appeared in the USA

    And this disease of ours manifests itself constantly. These "friends" really really push our ideas, and more often at first at home, and then we catch ourselves with surprise, though often late.
  3. surrozh
    surrozh 14 February 2016 06: 49
    18
    600 tons of cargo, yes on the road, and with a price of a third from the helicopter, and 300 km per hour - the Far East and the North will suddenly rise and drag the whole country!
  4. EvgNik
    EvgNik 14 February 2016 06: 52
    12
    WIG can do without airfields, start from the water surface, from the ground, from ice.

    For the Ministry of Emergencies, it is simply a necessary apparatus.
    In any case, the “Iron Curtain” barely collapsed, probable friends made sure that they were shown the “Eaglet” and with certain technical documentation, after which similar devices suddenly appeared in the USA ...

    Many developments that were not in the West were squandered, plundered and simply donated to the enemy. And the West was, is and will be our enemy. I don't recognize the word "partner".
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 14 February 2016 07: 07
    +9
    A pessimist is a well-informed optimist.

    Central Clinical Hospital named after Alekseev together with OAO NPP Radar Mms getting ready for construction next-generation ekranoplanes with a loading capacity from 50 to 600 tons. In the work portfolio - transport and cargo-and-passenger vehicles, capable of moving goods up to two to three thousand tons.
  6. Vita vko
    Vita vko 14 February 2016 07: 32
    14
    Just a couple of years it could be assumed that in Russia there is a systemic diversion to neutralize and slow down the development of promising technologies. Now it is safe to say that a technological war has long been going on in the World. Agents of Western corporations are engaged not only in technological intelligence and technology theft, but also in the bribery, and sometimes physical elimination of officials responsible for their development.
    1. cedar
      cedar 16 February 2016 14: 07
      +2
      It's much more complicated ... Here is the revelation of one of our "partners" ...
      “... Sometimes, in order to achieve our goals, we have to hide them behind the words“ partnership ”and“ cooperation. ”In fact, America does not need any allies or partner countries. It only needs colonial and vassal countries . But the population of our colonies should not know about this. Because the best slave is the one who does not realize that he is a slave. "
      Source: http://patriotikus.ru/politikus/6059-ubit-nas-nashimi-rukami-cel-ameriki-naskolk
      o-my-uzhe-ey-v-etom-pomogli.html
  7. candidate
    candidate 14 February 2016 07: 38
    +9
    ... between heaven and water
    By plane, ship
    He is a gold mediator
    Do not find him with fire

    Do it without a doubt
    King of the Sea ...
  8. Stinger
    Stinger 14 February 2016 09: 01
    +4
    In the era of aircraft carriers, an irreplaceable thing. An effective defense against these monsters.
  9. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 14 February 2016 09: 03
    +5
    The fleet is not built in separate models - only divisions, squadrons, larger units.
    It’s like a shipbuilder, but he’s carrying one ... Look, we still cannot pile NAPL, but even the division cannot be obtained from 3’s Lad ...
    It’s important not to smear the available funds for several designers, but to combine the efforts, scientific-production and creative potential of all who are rooting for the future of Russian ekranoplanes.
    Of course it is important! But this is when the production stage has begun. But what about the competition, with the school, with the ideas of other developers? Or everything is drawn into monopoly, like in aviation, by Aogosyan.
    This is, without a doubt, a lifesaver.
    Eh, there would be such a rescuer when Komsomolets drowned, how many guys would be saved ...
    It is also from such an apparatus that it is more convenient to throw special forces groups behind enemy lines.
    You would, my dear man, still rattle and a flashing light on your back to every riot squad, so that nobody would doubt ...
    Silence, invisibility - the key to success of the RDG! Therefore, better than submarines and hang gliders have not yet come up with anything. And there is nothing to fantasize on a given topic. Better boats build.
    if everything is calculated, substantiated and compared with the level of problems being solved, it turns out to be quite acceptable, if not economical enough.
    What am I talking about! Take care of this, my dear!
    1. water
      water 14 February 2016 14: 53
      +5
      Unfortunately, the main idea put into the article by Mr. Polovinkin can be translated as follows - give it all to me, and I'll figure it out! At the same time, he has already "figured out" the construction of the first submarine Rescue Vessel in the past 30 years. Fortunately, although at the later stages of construction, they still managed to seize the initiative from him and the Rescuer still received a good deep-sea diving complex. But instead of the Rescue Bell, an autonomous rescue underwater vehicle remained on it, which one and a half times reduces the Rescuer's ability to rescue submariners in a "dry" way.
      The Soviet Union handed over finished ekranoplanes to Russia. However, for some reason, not the 1st Central Research Institute, which is a "legislator" in military shipbuilding, but small commercial design bureaus continued to develop this promising vehicle.
      1. cedar
        cedar 16 February 2016 14: 19
        +1
        Dear WATER, read the full article, it cleans your brain very well!
        "... But we are successfully making and selling SuperJets.

        - Just because their production is based on our state program. The state program is such a normative act that limits the impact of the legislation we have written on a particular industry. We left you opportunities for those industries that our large companies are engaged in. But for such companies and for any large business in Russia, we have laid down the principle in your legislation: "Either go offshore or die." Therefore, any large business in Russia can work only if its financial flows, in whole or in part, pass through our offshore companies. Any Russian big businessnot using offshore schemes is gradually dying.
        http://patriotikus.ru/politikus/6059-ubit-nas-nashimi-rukami-cel-ameriki-naskolk
        o-my-uzhe-ey-v-etom-pomogli.html
  10. alex-cn
    alex-cn 14 February 2016 09: 53
    +4
    In one I do not even agree with the article, but with Polovinkin ... there should be several design bureaus at the very beginning of the development. These are different ideas, different schools ... The weak will quickly disappear, and it will be easier for the rest to work, taking into account both positive and negative experiences.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 14 February 2016 10: 32
      +3
      Quote: alex-cn
      The weak will quickly fall away

      Unfortunately, now strength and weakness are evaluated not from the point of view of scientific and technological potential, but purely financial, who will give more or who has better connections.
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 14 February 2016 11: 21
        +1
        I agree. Examples of this are the history of the ups and downs of any of the aviation bureaus of the USSR, even Lavochkin, even Yakovlev, Myasishchev, Petlyakov, Polikarpov, Tupolev, Sukhoi, Kamov, Mil ... Should I continue?
        1. cedar
          cedar 16 February 2016 14: 22
          +1
          "... Therefore, any large business in Russia can work only if its financial flows, in whole or in part, pass through our offshores. Any Russian large business that does not use offshore schemes is gradually dying ..."
          http://patriotikus.ru/politikus/6059-ubit-nas-nashimi-rukami-cel-ameriki-naskolk


          o-my-uzhe-ey-v-etom-pomogli.html
  11. sabakina
    sabakina 14 February 2016 10: 32
    +5
    The first is quite trivial, but technologically important: this device experiences exceptional loads in its movement, especially when it gets on the wing (during takeoff, during landing). Therefore, the ekranoplan, even from the point of view of creating advanced technologies that will be equally used in aircraft construction and shipbuilding, First of all, research, laboratory facilities, verification of structural, materials science and technological solutions.

    Design Bureau Alekseeva, quietly designed, calculated, created, tested with his own money .... And "they paint fences"... (a phrase from the movie "Ivashka in the Thirtieth State")
    I remember from the film about KB Alekseev, the ekranoplan independently from shallow tears!
    "And they paint fences!"
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 15 February 2016 10: 29
      0
      And "they paint fences" ... (a phrase from the movie "Ivashka in the thirty-tenth state")
      Actually "Vovka in the thirtieth kingdom"
  12. veksha50
    veksha50 14 February 2016 11: 08
    0
    "it is important not to spread the available funds over several designers, but to combine efforts, research, production and creative potential of all" ...

    You can either agree or disagree ...

    Separate development - these are individual ideas and attempts to put them into practice ... And there it will become clear who followed the right path and who followed the dead end ...

    If you drive all the minds under one roof and under one leader, obsessed with one, with his own idea, this does not guarantee that the desired result will be obtained at the end ...

    So you need to give everyone a try ...

    PS And the car is serious, necessary both in the Armed Forces and in the national economy ... Again, in the struggle for the Arctic and the North, it will not have a price ...
  13. Litsvin
    Litsvin 14 February 2016 11: 57
    +3
    I can say one thing - to revive the theme of ekranoplans DOES NOT MAKE ANY WORK. WHY? Yes, because all the drawings remained, moreover, there are people, engineers who designed and tested everything. Everything is there - only the political will of Putin and Shoigu is needed. In 3 years Russia will be able to REALLY become the owner of a real combat ekranoplan of the "Orlyonok-Bis" type, only made taking into account modern technologies, materials, using modern element base and digital technologies.
    No need to make huge monsters, we need a project of reasonable sufficiency - the armament of the new Russian ekranoplan must be MINIMIZED and be reduced to one task - 1 ekranoplan must GUARANTEED destroy 1 American aircraft carrier. No more is required. I think that we will see such a weapon ...
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2016 18: 19
      +3
      Quote: Litsvin
      1 ekranoplan must GUARANTEED destroy 1 American aircraft carrier.

      In the phrase
      "One kamikaze guinea pig should be GUARANTEED to destroy 1 American aircraft carrier"

      meaning and even more.
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      2. Throw
        Throw 14 February 2016 22: 04
        -1
        Surely, a pig can dive quietly and pull out a bottom plug from an aircraft carrier laughing

        But seriously, I have the impression that the word "ekranoplan" in half of the site turns off the left hemisphere of the brain ..
  14. da Vinci
    da Vinci 14 February 2016 12: 00
    +4
    I like ekranoplanes for unusualness and innovation, their use is not for a citizen, but the ratio - need / efficiency / cost / cost is doubtful. This theme was often sounded on this site. Need to think ... what
  15. dropout
    dropout 14 February 2016 12: 13
    +1
    Quote: EvgNik
    barely collapsed the Iron Curtain


    He did not collapse, he was sent to scrap metal. Leaders are fucking!
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 14 February 2016 18: 11
      +3
      It would be nice to revive on the basis of new, stronger materials !!! )))
  16. KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda 14 February 2016 12: 32
    0
    And he stands, no one needs.
    http://lana-sator.livejournal.com/207388.html
  17. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 14 February 2016 12: 51
    +1
    Until now, an urgent task for Russia is to free our "partners" from the agents of influence. If this can be done, then all other technical problems are quite surmountable.
  18. kig
    kig 14 February 2016 12: 59
    +2
    S-90 ekranolet ... demonstrated by Sukhoi Design Bureau. When and where? On the site of Sukhoi there is no information about the S-90.
  19. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 14 February 2016 13: 47
    +1
    the necessary subjects of work - it is necessary to revive. I think the frames in Alekseev’s design bureau still remained.
  20. rustyle_nvrsk
    rustyle_nvrsk 14 February 2016 14: 32
    -13 qualifying.
    An undership is an under-plane troop plane. Another ongoing scoop mriya.
  21. Izotovp
    Izotovp 14 February 2016 18: 24
    +1
    One of the problems facing our aircraft and shipbuilders is the engine. The absence of quiet, powerful, economical engines. In gliders, we have a good school.
  22. himanru
    himanru 14 February 2016 19: 56
    0
    Great, finally, original solutions that have been gathering dust on shelves for so long
  23. 1234567890
    1234567890 14 February 2016 22: 33
    -3
    This is all adventurism in the spirit of Tukhachevsky. Bartini, Kurchevsky, Ostap Bender Bay, dynamoreactive guns, other similar nonsense.
  24. Olegi1
    Olegi1 15 February 2016 01: 44
    +1
    Colleagues,

    The theme of ekranoplanes repeatedly sounded here. Having carefully read and analyzed all the pros and cons, I remain a skeptic about this type of transport. For several reasons:

    1. Weatherproof application. Well, imagine a storm, a night, plus a thunderstorm - I - I don’t really imagine.
    2. Visibility on radar. The fool is healthy, it will be visible from afar, the speed is less than that of an airplane. One rocket and hello - no one even has time to eject ...

    So far, two reasons, but, IMHO, significant. Criticize Colleagues wink
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 15 February 2016 02: 00
      0
      Quote: Olegi1
      Criticize colleagues

      I will not criticize, I will add five cents:

      Quote: Olegi1
      1. Weatherproof application. Well, imagine a storm, night, plus a thunderstorm

      - just a storm is enough. Lunya’s seaworthiness on takeoff was announced at 5-6 points .. it’s hard to believe, to be honest, okay. And if the ice floes? And if just ice?

      - maneuverability - none .. worse than none. I don’t understand at all how this thing can turn: "like a ship" - so there is no contact with water .. "like an airplane" - so you cannot bend over to one side - the height is too small ..

      In general, there are more questions than the answer so far request
      1. aba
        aba 15 February 2016 21: 28
        0
        - maneuverability - none .. worse than none. I don’t understand at all how this thing can turn: "like a ship" - so there is no contact with water .. "like an airplane" - so you cannot bend over to one side - the height is too small ..

        The article about KM notes its excellent maneuverability
        Yes, the Doctor was an unusual person. He, like KM, can be called a "monster", capable of something that others cannot. Until now, what he has achieved in the creation of ekranoplanes remains a domestic secret. Foreign counterparts of these machines are, in fact, low-flying aircraft - pilots forcibly keep them near the surface. KM, on the other hand, was so stable that Alekseev sometimes stopped controlling it for show and even turned off the engines in flight. The pilots who watched this were especially impressed that the device, without any intervention of the rudders, tracked every bend in the relief. He possessed KM and good maneuverability - he was capable of sharp turns with a lot of roll and contact of the puck (wing end) on the water. The observers saw how, after a protracted run across the sea with 3-point excitement, he broke away from the water and went beyond the horizon.

        http://www.airwar.ru/enc/sea/km1.html
    2. goose
      goose 16 February 2016 11: 41
      0
      Flying in a shaver near a strike aircraft and an ekranoplan slightly differ in range, safety, portable payload, and the pilot's capabilities in favor of an ekranoplan. In fact, at a flight altitude of less than 30 m, an ekranoplane or aircraft cannot be detected otherwise than at a visual detection range, i.e. no more than 35-50 km in ideal conditions. Sustainable targeting is possible at even shorter ranges. According to the goals of the dimensions of the Eaglet, and even with its speed, radars of the surface wave are ineffective.
    3. cedar
      cedar 16 February 2016 14: 40
      +1
      Quote: Olegi1
      Colleagues,

      The theme of ekranoplanes repeatedly sounded here. Having carefully read and analyzed all the pros and cons, I remain a skeptic about this type of transport. For several reasons:

      1. Weatherproof application. Well, imagine a storm, a night, plus a thunderstorm - I - I don’t really imagine.
      2. Visibility on radar. The fool is healthy, it will be visible from afar, the speed is less than that of an airplane. One rocket and hello - no one even has time to eject ...

      So far, two reasons, but, IMHO, significant. Criticize Colleagues wink


      1. An excellent high-speed rescue tool in different latitudes of the oceans.
      2. A wonderful, all-weather transport and passenger vehicle for the northern latitudes of Russia and its Far East! What other rockets are there?
  25. Olegi1
    Olegi1 15 February 2016 03: 13
    +2
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: Olegi1
    Criticize colleagues

    I will not criticize, I will add five cents:

    Quote: Olegi1
    1. Weatherproof application. Well, imagine a storm, night, plus a thunderstorm

    - just a storm is enough. Lunya’s seaworthiness on takeoff was announced at 5-6 points .. it’s hard to believe, to be honest, okay. And if the ice floes? And if just ice?

    - maneuverability - none .. worse than none. I don’t understand at all how this thing can turn: "like a ship" - so there is no contact with water .. "like an airplane" - so you cannot bend over to one side - the height is too small ..

    In general, there are more questions than the answer so far request


    We would like to bring a normal drone to mind, in scales from a ton to two half ... We are simply participating in this. As a private Russian company. They invited me to put out the fire ... Well, okay, we signed up, our team is putting order in there. Only now, if only we would have been invited initially, and there would have been less problems.
    Schaz in the middle of March - a jump, and then this whole thing - in the GLIC on Akhtuba. The glider is not good, but with avionics - which we are trying to rake.

    Pilevo budget? But nifiga! I never did this and I won’t, believe me, I’ve been brought up like that ... 3 people from us work for 0.5 normal salary, actually 10 already, at our expense. And another 5 people have to add. And we will do it! I am enraged by the fact that private companies with extensive experience are not allowed to go anywhere in our aviation. They are oppressing us in black ... But we can and this is not unsubstantiated nirazu!

    So, purely for information: never and never gave bribes to anyone in the course of my activity at my post. And I will never give anywhere. Simply, my grandfathers, who, one started with Finnish, the other in Stalingrad, were taught that way. Let them not exist already, but I have no right to betray them ...
    1. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer 16 February 2016 12: 45
      0
      Olegi1, I understand that the glider appeared before Avionics, but did you remember the software at the last moment? If so, this is an example of incorrect design. Usually the chief designer is the "airplane" who forgets about the complex as a whole and some of its components. For the main thing is to create an airplane, and to fly smile and this approach is disastrous: Avionics doesn’t climb, and the glider is ready ...

      PS You are not Nick-Nick’s creation there (who knows, he will understand who it is about) bring to mind?
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  26. surrozh
    surrozh 15 February 2016 05: 31
    0
    Screw a rocket onto a vessel with a capacity of 600 tons and send the aircraft carrier alone to sink into the ocean - an absurdity. This is a promising vehicle that does not need expensive infrastructure in the form of highways, railways, bridges, tunnels and other things. For the transportation of goods and passengers, roads are not needed, directions are important - and this is the century-old dream of the state.
  27. Full name
    Full name 15 February 2016 22: 37
    0
    Without pretending to have a deep understanding of the topic and risking incurring the wrath of local experts, I still venture to ask: why not use the ekranoplan principle in a cruise missile? Thus, the range and size of warheads could be significantly increased by getting at the output something in between the UAV / KR / ekranoplan?
    1. Nross
      Nross 18 February 2016 19: 17
      0
      To create a screen effect, you need a lot of windage. The Kyrgyz Republic does not and will not.
  28. Nross
    Nross 18 February 2016 19: 15
    0
    For me it’s like - ekranoplanes such as Eaglet are exotic, a hybrid of an airplane and a ship. And they were created primarily as design laboratories, as stated at the very beginning. Later, of course, they were carried away with the Russian scale and created carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic.

    In the absence of the proper number of even naval (river) schools, the general understaffing of the Navy, to spray taxpayers' money on the vague functions of these "promising" white elephants impractical. Research work - yes, on its basis it will be possible to create new materials for the shipbuilding industry, new solutions in engine building.
    Like small vessels, yes they are - perhaps promising in civilian life, although kerosene and a resource must be considered.
  29. Olegi1
    Olegi1 23 February 2016 17: 34
    0
    Quote: Zerstorer
    Olegi1, I understand that the glider appeared before Avionics, but did you remember the software at the last moment? If so, this is an example of incorrect design. Usually the chief designer is the "airplane" who forgets about the complex as a whole and some of its components. For the main thing is to create an airplane, and to fly smile and this approach is disastrous: Avionics doesn’t climb, and the glider is ready ...

    PS You are not Nick-Nick’s creation there (who knows, he will understand who it is about) bring to mind?


    You got it right, it’s the airplane. And about the fact that you need to do normal software - they, as a rule, forget. In general, the next drone will definitely not do it ...

    PS Nick-Nick is not involved in the topic winked