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Return of divisions

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In the Army will correct the "brigade bias"


The Armed Forces summed up the final results of 2015. The first, as expected, was made by the Minister of Defense, followed by the commanders-in-chief, commanders of the military branches. How much the face of the army has changed and fleetHow do our military respond to the challenges of the times? Colonel General Oleg Salyukov, Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, answered questions from the military-industrial complex.

- Oleg Leonidovich, what was the past year for your troops?

- In general, 2015-th has developed for us successfully. All tasks that faced the Ground Forces, we have completed with dignity and in full.

“Commanders will have a good“ personnel window ”for professional growth. Previously, after the brigade commander, the post of army commander or his deputy, the chief of staff, at which without intermediate steps of knowledge and experience could not be enough, followed
I note that the year was tense both in the number of combat training events and in their scope. More than 4500 exercises of various levels, 15 thousands of fire training and shooting, 7 thousands of driving exercises, which is one and a half times more than in 2014, have been carried out.

The number of subunits, rated as good and excellent, increased, and the preparedness of formations and military units increased by five percent. In the course of sudden inspections, they were transferred over long distances, overcame water obstacles, conducted offensive and defensive actions on unfamiliar training grounds.

Last year there were five surprise inspections in the Army, conducted at the direction of the Supreme Commander.

The results of the Center-2015 strategic command and staff exercise, which took place in September, showed an increased level of coherence of the military command and control units of the formations and their readiness to perform diverse tasks. A distinctive feature was the fact that for the first time we formed six combined-arms units based on 14 subjects of the Russian Federation, which made marches using the combined method up to five thousand kilometers. We saw a positive change in the attitude of the heads of administrations to measures related to mobilization readiness, especially in the Novosibirsk, Chelyabinsk and other regions.

Evaluating the results of sudden inspections, I can say with confidence: the level of training of personnel fully ensures the solution of problems in any situation.

But as you understand, everything cannot be reduced only to numbers and points. It is equally important that in the eyes of the servicemen there was a keen interest in the results of the training, a desire to improve their skills.

–12 on January, at a conference call at the National Center for Defense Management of the Russian Federation, the Minister of Defense announced the formation of three new divisions. What will be their composition and deployment?


–The composition of troops in strategic and operational areas is being improved in order to respond to emerging military threats. The basis of these groups are compounds and military units of the SV. They are capable of conducting combat operations in various physiographic and climatic conditions.

Return of divisions


Three combined arms will be deployed in the western direction. I emphasize: these divisions are not formed from scratch, but on the basis of brigades and will surpass them in firepower, striking force, and successfully carry out tasks on a broader front. At present, the most modern weapons and military equipment are being used by the formations and units of the Ground Forces, which can significantly increase combat capabilities.

“Why are we from the brigades back to the creation of divisions?”

- The fact is that we once created a certain bias towards the brigades. Then we reduced almost all the divisions, leaving only one - the 49 machine gun and artillery in the Kuril Islands, where, by the way, I was a divisional commander.

But our country is big, with different theaters, which cannot be ignored. Somewhere need highly mobile brigades, and somewhere divisions. In addition, all groups of troops are created for specific tasks, and the divisional structure is well matched with the regimental and brigade. I will add that it was sudden checks that prompted us to make such a decision.

No less important is another. A good “personnel window” for professional growth appears, an opportunity to pass such a level as a division commander. Previously, after the brigade commander, she immediately followed the post of army commander or his deputy, chief of staff, where knowledge and experience might not be enough.



Believe me, we do not suffer, figuratively speaking, by gigantism, and there is no question of militarization of the country. Not less importance is given to small units, in particular battalion tactical groups (BTG). The painstaking analysis of the formation, support and use of tactical groups by the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation and the leading countries of the world, carried out by the General Command of the Ground Forces in 2014 – 2015, allowed the creation of the optimal composition of the BTG connections of the SV.

At present, all formations have formed and prepared for the actions of BTGs based on motorized rifle or tank battalions. These are self-sufficient units capable of completing the assigned task at any moment. In the future, they will only consist of contractors. Now the main emphasis is on preparing the BTG command and control bodies for operations in difficult conditions, in unfamiliar terrain.

–Effective solution of defense tasks is impossible without close cooperation with defense industry enterprises. You groped the middle ground between the modernization and the creation of new technology?

–In the year 2015, more than 2500 units of new and modernized equipment came to the military units of the permanent readiness of the Ground Forces, which allowed to re-equip six units. In 2016, three more will be equipped.

Until recently, the main emphasis was placed on the modernization of existing weapons. Such an approach made it possible to systematically distribute financial resources in the current economic situation for the country and to fulfill the tasks assigned by the Supreme Commander for bringing the share of modern designs to the established level. At present, the security of the Ground Forces with weapons and military equipment is 95 percent, of which 35 percent are modern designs. By 2020, their percentage will be 70.

The compounds are being re-equipped with modern equipment, which in its characteristics is not inferior to foreign analogues, and even surpasses them. I am convinced: our weapons and military equipment are the best in the world.

Recently, a lot of new equipment has been received. In particular:

- Air defense complexes of ZRS C-300-B4, MANPADS "Verba", air defense systems "Tor-M2", "Buk-M2" and "Buk-M3";
- “Coalition-SV” - an interspecific artillery complex that possesses an innovative shooting regime and creates a barrage of fire: several projectiles fired at different angles arrive at the aiming point at the same time;
- “Tornado-S” - reactive MLRS of a new generation with an increased range of fire, new projectiles of increased power;
- “Tornado-G” - a volley fire system that has the ability to automatically aim at the target;
- “Chrysanthemum-S” is a self-propelled ATGM with a unique ability to penetrate the armor of almost all tanks.


He continues to replace the rocket complexes “Tochka” and “Tochka-U” of the Iskander OTRK. The Rocket Forces and Artillery of the Ground Forces are today equipped with six brigades with the Iskander-M missile system, in 2016 it is planned to ship it to another two brigades.

- Is there no friction with defense companies, as it happened before, at the price of products or their performance characteristics?

- Of course, close cooperation with the defense industry is of great importance. The unified day of acceptance contributes to precise terms of receipt of equipment, which enhances the role of military missions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and military representatives.

When the State Defense Forces are formed, the command of the Ground Forces expresses its opinion directly. It happens, it diverges from the position of the industry. A number of samples of weapons and military equipment that were planned for production, at our proposal, were sent for revision and improvement.

If we are sure that this or that product is expected in the troops, we take the most active part in its release, we accompany the ROC. We understand: for each sample weapons and technology - jobs, families of specialists. Therefore, we try to look for compromises in many situations, consult with the management of enterprises, and listen to veterans of military forces and the military-industrial complex. Only after that a collective opinion is expressed. But competition in models of weapons and military equipment should be maintained in any case.

–Finally known expression: cadres decide everything. What is the situation with their preparation?

–Currently, the network of military educational organizations of the Ground Forces is optimized in accordance with the need for specialists. Their training is conducted in seven military organizations of higher and in three - pre-university education.

In 2015, the next set of students and cadets was held; more than 1500 people were recruited for training. The competition among applicants grew 2,3 times and made 5 – 9 people into place. This, firstly, allows you to complete the personnel order of the Ministry of Defense in full. And secondly, it speaks of the unconditional growth in the country of the authority of military labor, the defender of the Fatherland.

We receive education and students from abroad. Now more than a thousand people from 32 countries are studying in the universities of the Ground Forces. This gives a lot in addition to knowledge - it allows us to learn our culture in live communication, to communicate with officers, to better understand the soul of the people. There are listeners from NATO countries. Our military universities provide very good training. In the same Mulino training center, for example, it is possible to simultaneously train an entire brigade, which is not done anywhere else abroad.

In general, the system of training of specialists of the Ground Forces has more than 16 centers, where training in 183 military accounting specialties is organized. It is based on five district training centers. In 2015, in them, as well as in training centers of the armed forces, they were prepared and sent to recruit personnel to more than 40 thousands of junior specialists.

There have been structural changes in the military education system. By the decision of the Minister of Defense, our two combined-arms schools (Novosibirsk and Far Eastern) were removed from the All-Arms Academy of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (Military Academy named after M. Frunze) and became independent. In 2016, it is also planned to withdraw the Moscow Military School and the Kazan Tank School. We returned to the former, more faithfully reflecting their purpose, the names of military schools: from institutions they became schools. I remember well, for example, how we, the cadets of the Ulyanovsk Guards Higher Tank Command School, were proud of its name and the orders on the banner. Return to basics is our moral duty.

–The samples of the “Warrior” equipment have been transferred to the troops. How do they show themselves?

–State test kits completed in 2014 year. I want to remind you that more than half of the equipment has been developed anew and has not been used before by our servicemen - starting with simple knee pads and elbow pads, a combat knife, a multipurpose knife and ending with thermal sights and thermal television reconnaissance devices. At the same time, the weight of the wearable part has decreased from 35 to 24 kilograms, and security from bullets and fragments has increased - the vest can withstand the penetration of 7,62 millimeter 10 caliber from the SVD from XNUMX meters.

All the combined arms and reconnaissance units of the Ground Forces, as foreseen, will be equipped with modern combat equipment "Warrior" in full by 2021. Over the past year, 80 thousands have been provided with it, and in 2016, it is planned to equip even more 50 thousands of servicemen.

About the characteristics of the developed set of second-generation combat equipment, I can say that it is not inferior to foreign analogues, and surpasses them in the protection system. Already, there are reviews of the results of troop exploitation, no fundamental comments have been identified.

At the same time, we have created a scientific and technical reserve, which we will use when creating equipment of the third generation, taking into account new solutions and modern production technologies.

- What exercises have been and will be held with our foreign partners?

–In 2015, the Ground Forces High Command held three joint exercises with units of the armies of foreign countries. These are the Russian-Mongolian teaching "Selenga-2015" in the territory of the Russian Federation, the teaching of the peacekeeping forces of the CSTO "Indestructible Brotherhood-2015" in Armenia, the Russian-Indian teaching "Indra-2015" in India. Questions were worked out of the transfer of units with weapons, ammunition and military equipment to perform peacekeeping, anti-terrorist and combat training tasks as part of mixed units, actions in the desert terrain.

In 2016, seven such exercises will take place. Among them are “Selenga” (with India), “The Indestructible Brotherhood” (CSTO), “Boundary” (with Vietnam). Final schedule agree. There are proposals for joint exercises with military personnel from Argentina, Cuba and other countries. So to speak about the international isolation of Russia, as shouting in the West, as we see, is not necessary.

- How important is the holding of the Army international games? Some people think that this is, excuse me, window dressing and a waste of service life.

–Games are not held for their own sake, although any advertisements for military service and military professionalism are not out of place. And it's not only that the games unite the teams. The main task is to prepare people to the appropriate level. In each method of controlling tanks, infantry fighting vehicles are elements that are in driving courses, combat firing, which means they are really necessary. So this is not window dressing. I'm not talking about the fact that the preparation for the games begins long before each platoon, company, battalion - from the ground units. This is a good school of combat training.

Five contests held in 2015 (within the framework of the Army International Games), in which 28 teams and 16 teams of observers from Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America took part, were visited by more than 192 thousands of spectators. The games helped to increase not only competitiveness in formations and military units, but, I repeat, the prestige of military service, became the best form of testing the level of training of the Ground Forces.

In all competitions, the Russian teams took the first places and became champions, which we are very proud of, and the winners received cars, ATVs, cash awards, the priority right to enter military academies and colleges as prizes. Now we are thinking of attracting girls-servicemen to the competitions.

In 2016, the main command of the Ground Forces organizes six international competitions: "Tank Biathlon", "Suvorov Onslaught", "Clear Sky", "Masters of Artillery Fire", "Excellence in Military Intelligence", "Sniper Frontier". Invited teams from 46 states. So Army international games are becoming increasingly popular.

This year, the geography of the Army International Games-2016 has been significantly expanded. Thus, the competitions “Sniper Frontier” and “Masters of Artillery Fire” are planned to be held in Kazakhstan.

Now the questions are being worked out on making a number of changes to the program of the competitions assigned to the main command of the Ground Forces. In particular, to increase entertainment and attract viewers, it is planned to increase the number of firing on Tank Biathlon and Suvorov Onslaught three times. For this purpose, additional firing positions will be equipped.

The contest "Masters of air combat" renamed to "Clear Sky". The program added the contest of calculations of anti-aircraft installations ZU-23, mounted on army trucks.

- How else is the attractiveness of the service in the Ground Forces ensured?


–In 2015, more than a hundred Open Doors and campaign days, “Military service under contract in the Armed Forces - your choice!” Were held in the cities of the country. All activities were carried out with a demonstration of various types of weapons and military equipment and military uniforms. I want to note that this year, wherever there are military units, high schools of the Ground Forces, such events are surely organized.

We have reached a new level of professional holidays of various types of troops. From 2014, the Day of the Ground Forces begins with honoring the commander-in-chief of Land Forces of previous years with laying flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and the first Commander-in-Chief of the Land Forces Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgy Konstantinovich Zhuku.

A landmark event last year for us was the decree of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia about giving the Transfiguration of the Church on Preobrazhenskaya Square in Moscow, whose name is directly connected with the legendary Preobrazhensky and Semenov regiments, the status of the main military for our troops.

You must admit that one of the greatest achievements of the Ministry of Defense in recent years is that so much has become transparent. Troops are open to the media, parents of recruits. And the service has become another - more saturated with exercises, shooting, flights, driving military vehicles. Appeared beautiful clothes. In the canteens there are three first courses, three second ones, vegetables and fruits. You want to master a computer - please, a modern specialty - for God's sake, use a cell phone - there is no ban.

Our army has changed dramatically for the better: it has become mobile, technically equipped, highly mobilized, motivated.
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  1. killganoff
    killganoff 10 February 2016 21: 36
    19
    And when at last they admit mistakes in the reforms and the direct collapse of the armed forces ?!
    Why they don’t remember about the work done in medical support, the military education system, the rear and the mob. resources?
    When will they attract those responsible ?!
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 10 February 2016 21: 41
      10
      Quote: killganoff
      And when at last they admit mistakes in the reforms and the direct collapse of the armed forces ?!
      When will they attract those responsible ?!

      Never, Comrade Spirit!
      (This is me not for you, comrade killganoff! Just a quote from x \ f "DMB" that fits the place) hi
      The transition from a four-tier command and control system "military district" - "army" - "division" - "regiment" (created in the USSR by real military strategists, institutions, professionals, time-tested and actions) to a three-tier "military district" - "operational command" - The "brigade" - also under the "keen guidance" (KULTYAPKOBLUDSTVOM) of the deformer smerd yukov!
      Wow, pimple! am
      1. BilliBoms09
        BilliBoms09 10 February 2016 23: 25
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        In the Army will correct the "brigade bias"
        Divisions for WAR, brigades for small conflicts. Divisions are expensive, brigades are also expensive, but not as expensive as divisions. Our sworn "friends" overseas have never switched to one brigade system and did not cut more than one division. Only economists from Europe switched to brigades instead of divisions, and even then not all.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 10 February 2016 23: 35
          +4
          In many countries, including the United States, there are divisions with a brigade organization.
          1. Realist1989
            Realist1989 10 February 2016 23: 50
            +8
            Yes, and in some, the composition of the regimental, by tradition. I watched the OShS of the brigade division divisions, compared it with the late Soviet one, I did not notice a particularly noticeable advantage of the brigade composition over the regimental, at least in terms of the number of vehicles. By the number of l / s, the differences are not critical.
            1. Pajamas
              Pajamas 11 February 2016 00: 28
              +2
              Quote: Realist1989
              Yes, and in some, the composition of the regimental, by tradition. I watched the OShS of the brigade division divisions, compared it with the late Soviet one, I did not notice a particularly noticeable advantage of the brigade composition over the regimental, at least in terms of the number of vehicles. By the number of l / s, the differences are not critical.

              Completely, I share your point of view.
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 11 February 2016 05: 04
                +4
                But as it sounded: Brigadier General!
              2. Realist1989
                Realist1989 11 February 2016 13: 18
                +1
                Another thing is that with a brigade organization, due to the larger number of l / s brigades, a division can have fewer control objects (say, 3 combat brigades instead of 4 combat regiments with the same number of equipment and l / s), and objects have more autonomous and independent. But for this, the brigades, of course, must have at least one line battalion more than in the regiment, have enhanced combat and rear support compared to the regiment (reasonably strengthened, and not as hyper-typed as in the current Omsbr).
                Perhaps at the moment it would be most reasonable to create divisions of an already brigade composition (with a new optimal OSh of brigades), since they are formed on the basis of existing brigades, it would probably be easier and faster. Now again, the standards, training materials and documentation for the regimental will have to be changed, which also eats up resources. But apparently, they decided to recreate the divisions of the regimental composition of the late Soviet model. Of course, let’s see what happens, the division should be deployed for 2-3 years probably. I personally believe that the OSH of the division since the Soviet era requires many changes, but even the old version, fully deployed in staff, equipped with modern weapons, is a serious force, even in comparison with modern western OSH.
            2. 25ru
              25ru 11 February 2016 05: 09
              +3
              Quote: Realist1989
              compared with the late Soviet, especially noticeable advantages of the brigade over the regimental did not notice, at least in terms of quantity of equipment. By the number of l / s differences are not critical

              Very critical. Well, for example, look at the current state of the 36th Guards. Everything is in the public domain. The compound is a cross between an antelope and a rhino. It is capable of mobile actions at the BTG level, the rest is a heavy and bulky weakly controlled tail. The brigade is oversaturated with weapons, but not mobile, and this is important for motorized rifle. How long will the brigade stretch marching columns, just go to the area of ​​concentration? But part of the GHG.
              They tried to depict the transfer of personal weapons and a portable stock of BTG 28 SMEs, with the receipt of equipment from conservation. I did not participate, but the post operators directly said that they had never seen more porn in life. Reaching the border with a failure at 48 hours (as intermediaries decided upon).
              1. Realist1989
                Realist1989 11 February 2016 12: 55
                -1
                I compared with normal brigades, American, Turkish, Israeli models, and not with the theme of freaks that in the Russian Federation created =))))))
        2. Red_Hamer
          Red_Hamer 11 February 2016 04: 23
          +5
          Here! Key phrase, -
          Divisions - for WAR
          Want peace, get ready for it (don't wake up to remember again)
        3. 25ru
          25ru 11 February 2016 04: 48
          +2
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          Divisions are expensive, brigades are also expensive, but not as expensive as divisions. Our sworn "friends" overseas have never switched to one brigade system and did not cut more than one division.

          Lagged behind life. We crossed over long ago. "Modular" system. There is always one central "cube" - the staff element. Everything else, as needed, can be crammed there. On the example of "bloody korefans": from two to six brigades (to choose from - light, medium, heavy), an armored cavalry regiment, from six to eight artillery divisions, an army aviation brigade, two to four divisions of the Patriot air defense missile system and other smaller, but no less important and dirty. And, unexpectedly, the US armored division resurrected in the European theater of operations in a long ago studied and equipped positional area up and down. I'm not a tanker, but to meddle in the prepared defense area of ​​the BrTD ... what
          Russia has officially announced the deployment of a tank army and the formation of three divisions. Is it really nice to think that there are stupid people in the US KNSh who were scared and rushed to run diapers? Of course, the response began. So far, it’s quiet: 200 bodies were transferred there, a second link at the airbase was deployed there, there was a redeployment, there was a redeployment of early storage vessels, there was an imperceptible strengthening of ship groupings.
          Action gives rise to opposition, and in our country it is far from the USSR with ATS countries.
        4. viktorrymar
          viktorrymar 11 February 2016 10: 05
          +1
          Our army has radically changed for the better: became mobiletechnically equipped highly mobilizedmotivated.


          We paint from the fence to sunset))))) Mobilized - is that how?)))) Army language is an amazing thing !!!
      2. Enot-poloskun
        Enot-poloskun 11 February 2016 06: 51
        +1
        War is not far off?

        Question: Why was all this necessary? First, divisions were replaced by brigades, now - back ...

        Is it really not clear that there is nothing worse for the army before the war than pseudo-reforms?
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 10 February 2016 21: 49
      -2
      Quote: killganoff
      And when they finally admit mistakes

      There are no mistakes! There is a systematic (evolutionary) reform of the army. With these words, everything that happens can be characterized. And God forbid!
      1. stabskapitan
        stabskapitan 10 February 2016 22: 13
        +4
        From identity, you’ll tell the military enlistment office
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 22: 20
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        Quote: Tol100v
        There are no mistakes! There is a systematic (evolutionary) reform of the army.

        mdyayaya, at first divisions in brigades, liquidation of military schools, reduction of army, militia in police, and now back divisions?
        What do you call all this? I can’t pick up a censored word request
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 10 February 2016 22: 26
          +4
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          mdyayaya, at first divisions in brigades, liquidation of military schools, reduction of army, militia in police, and now back divisions?
          What do you call all this? I can’t pick up a censored word

          ... history must be repeated at the beginning of the 20th century of the formation of the USSR ... a lot of things are revealed ... and the swear words will disappear ... all the same ... a change in the sociopolitical system and all the ensuing from this ... hi
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 23: 31
            +8
            Quote: Inok10
            history must be repeated the beginning of the 20th century of the formation of the USSR

            I do not think that a comparison is appropriate.
            Then the army was the people's Red Army, standing on the defense of the people's country of the USSR.
            Now the army is "people's", i.e. from the people, but it is the army of the neo-feudal state of the Russian Federation.
            And in terms of time, 24 years before the war, the formation of the USSR Armed Forces took place before the army, which defeated all of Europe.
            And now, over 25 years, one day of reform, reform, reform .. for the worse, the endless change of form, stripes, chevrons, caps, replacement of military banners with popular prints,
            endless theft in the Ministry of Defense and endless public relations of Soviet technology under the shouts of "made by us".
            This is not my pessimism, this is reality
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 10 February 2016 23: 48
              +6
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              And now, over 25 years, one day of reform, reform, reform .. for the worse, endless change of form, stripes, chevrons, caps, replacement of military banners with popular prints

              . spell again ... until 1917, the autocracy and after the Soviet power, the banners did not change?!, the orders did not change?!, the form did not change?, the OShS of the troops and units did not change ?! ... the cubes were removed in 1943, the epaulettes were returned! ... what happened in the army ?! ... there will be no discussion, honor your History, beginning with the nesting of the Russian shield at the gates of Constantinople, the war, and not hite and do not spoil it! ... True Sweet does not happen! ... hi
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 11 February 2016 00: 08
                +6
                Quote: Inok10
                there will be no discussion, honor your History, beginning with the nesting of the shield of the Russian War at the gates of Constantinople, and not hight and not spoil it!

                I NEVER wrote anything defiling the history of the country, this time!
                I NEVER wrote anything bad about military personnel from the creation of the world to the present day — these are two!

                But as for the villains and pseudo-reformers, thieves, crooks, embezzlers and others like them, I say right away, I hate them!

                PS. Read the text carefully and do not give out for reality what you saw. soldier
            2. VIT101
              VIT101 11 February 2016 08: 14
              +5
              [quote = PHANTOM-AS]
              endless change of form, stripes, chevrons, caps, replacement of combat banners with popular popular tablecloths,

              Absolutely correct remark. Caps with a bunch of pretzels and curls, like the tribal leaders of banana monarchies, are especially killed.
        2. Svist
          Svist 10 February 2016 23: 38
          +7
          tongue
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          What do you call all this?

          Disguise of true intentions, as admirers of Serdyukov proved here. To confuse the adversary! yes
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 23: 42
            +4
            Quote: Svist
            Disguise true intentions

            yeah, hpp laughing
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          3. cap
            cap 11 February 2016 03: 10
            +2
            Quote: Svist
            tongue
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            What do you call all this?

            Disguise of true intentions, as admirers of Serdyukov proved here. To confuse the adversary! yes

            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Quote: Inok10
            there will be no discussion, honor your History, beginning with the nesting of the shield of the Russian War at the gates of Constantinople, and not hight and not spoil it!

            I NEVER wrote anything defiling the history of the country, this time!
            I NEVER wrote anything bad about military personnel from the creation of the world to the present day — these are two!

            But as for the villains and pseudo-reformers, thieves, crooks, embezzlers and others like them, I say right away, I hate them!

            PS. Read the text carefully and do not give out for reality what you saw. soldier


            Disputes about reforms in the army have been and will be.
            "But as for the villains and pseudo-reformers, thieves, swindlers, embezzlers and others like them, I say right away -I hate them!" PHANTOM-AS (2)
            I agree, I'll add. Pseudo-reform under dictation from behind, betrayal.
            On my own I would add. To build in any new staff structure, a career officer mob-reserve (in the ground forces), under the conditions of the "H" time, can (theoretically) increase the time of embedding them in a new control system, different from the usual. (They returned to military training. recently). What time is, and its loss in the deployment of parts, will remind us of 1941. If this is not a whole dog, then donkey hooves for sure. The dog has already been found, thank God.
            Donkey removed from allowance. Here's something like that hi
        3. viktor561
          viktor561 11 February 2016 00: 31
          -3
          Serdyukov collapsed - Shoigu restores - what words - in such a short time and how the army has changed !!!!!
        4. 25ru
          25ru 11 February 2016 05: 41
          +4
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          mdyayaya, at first divisions in brigades, liquidation of military schools, reduction of army, militia in police, and now back divisions?
          What do you call all this? I can’t pick up a censored word

          ONANISM - is it suitable?
      3. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 10 February 2016 22: 22
        +4
        Quote: Tol100v
        There are no mistakes! There is a systematic (evolutionary) reform of the army. With these words, everything that happens can be characterized. And God forbid!

        Yeah, at first - they evolved back to the apes, now we are turning back into people. fellow
        So we live ... what
      4. Blondy
        Blondy 10 February 2016 22: 24
        +1
        Guys, and what portraits are members of the Politburo turning over in envy of coffins.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 23: 35
          +1
          Quote: Blondy
          Guys, and what portraits are members of the Politburo turning over in envy of coffins.

          Yeah, and the blocks on his chest, as if he had reached Berlin.
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    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 February 2016 21: 50
      13
      Quote: killganoff
      And when at last they admit mistakes in the reforms and the direct collapse of the armed forces ?!
      And when will Gorbachev and Yeltsin be recognized as pests?
      Never, Comrade Spirit!

      P.S. Chubais is an effective manager. Tfu.
      1. Bath
        Bath 10 February 2016 22: 13
        +9
        just until the fried cock pecked at a point we played with reforms by renaming buying Mistrals by transferring epaulettes in troubled waters, more simply, they caught fat crucian carp and when the arctic fox crept up they started to cut less, the situation will change again, they will start to cut again
    4. An64
      An64 10 February 2016 22: 27
      26
      And when they finally admit mistakes in the reforms and the direct collapse of the sun

      Who recognizes?
      General Salyukov, being the deputy of Makarov, fully supported, advocated and demanded to go to the bigad. And now he says - it was a warp !!!
      And such as Salyukov in the central bodies of military control - 90%: under Serdyukov and Makarov they fought for brigades, there was no need for military schools, the unification of logistical and technical support, etc., etc. And now - "criticized" in a whisper, while the command "fas" not allowed...
      As he said, not only Salyukov is on the list of "shape-shifters" ... There are Bulgakov, and Pankov, Rudskoy and Golovko, all the current commanders of the military districts and many, many others ...
      1. Pig
        Pig 10 February 2016 23: 27
        -4
        "" under Serdyukov and Makarov they fought for brigades, there was no need for military schools, the unification of logistics and technical support, etc. ""
        then everything was different and the tasks were set before the armed forces and the military doctrine was different
    5. viktor561
      viktor561 11 February 2016 01: 17
      +6
      And when do they finally admit mistakes in the reforms and the direct collapse of the armed forces?
      When Seodyukova and Vasilyeva are actually imprisoned and deprived of all civil rights
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 11 February 2016 01: 26
        +7
        Quote: viktor561
        When Seodyukova and Vasilyeva are actually imprisoned and deprived of all civil rights

        under the current government, never
    6. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 11 February 2016 04: 20
      +2
      You yourself know the answers to your questions)). How did those "responsible" ones end up in their places? Have materialized or what?
  2. Army1
    Army1 10 February 2016 21: 42
    +2
    Such a country as Russia needs to have a better army, because for us it is the defense of the Motherland, and for the whole world it is 1/6 of the land with enormous resources and the smallest population.
    1. Bath
      Bath 11 February 2016 09: 22
      +1
      and for our government, the defense of the stolen from the people has little idea of ​​going on the attack with shouts for Timchenko
  3. Inok10
    Inok10 10 February 2016 21: 43
    +9
    The commanders will have a good “personnel window” for professional growth. Previously, after the brigade commander, the post of army commander or his deputy, chief of staff, was followed, which without an intermediate step of knowledge and experience might not be enough ”
    ... experience? ... he simply wasn’t even for the deputy level. com army ... in the USSR division commander major general with the General Staff Academy ... hi
  4. KBR109
    KBR109 10 February 2016 21: 51
    +8
    And the thuy heap of dough was worth this reformation THERE - AND BACK! If they don’t say whose fault it is all ... laughter? And - YES! Not a pimple, but almost a deputy of the Russian Technologies for Aviation! Experiencing t.s. another takeoff.
  5. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 10 February 2016 21: 52
    +4
    I am glad the increased level of combat training ... the number of trainings and exercises ... this is exactly what the Army should do in the World.
    The formation of divisions is a very good sign ... this link was sorely lacking ... it was not a matter of training the command staff ... for conducting military operations ... connection with its combat capabilities was simply necessary ...
    The main thing ... that the right conclusions and work on the mistakes are made ...
  6. Const
    Const 10 February 2016 21: 55
    +1
    It is interesting to know the opinion of those who put a minus to the article. And in order to talk about the structure of compounds, one must at least be the chief of staff of a brigade or division (not a couch).
  7. 13 warrior
    13 warrior 10 February 2016 21: 56
    +3
    A return to divisions is undoubtedly pleasing.
    And yet, from my own experience I will say that in the past, 2015, the year, the teachings were more intense and intense. They made everyone cheer up. Which personally made me tired and pleased.
    In general, more good and different teachings!))
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 10 February 2016 22: 57
      +4
      Hard to learn - easy on the go! Easy to learn - hard to hike!
      A.V. Suvorov.
      1. 25ru
        25ru 11 February 2016 08: 31
        0
        Quote: Baikonur
        badly in learning - easy on the go! Easy to learn - hard to hike!
        A.V. Suvorov.

        Hard in treatment - easy in the coffin. How many years I gave to a hospital bed - I give a phrase.
  8. 31rus
    31rus 10 February 2016 22: 02
    +1
    This is exactly the way it should, with special attention to personnel at all levels, to teach science to win
  9. Pajamas
    Pajamas 10 February 2016 22: 06
    +8
    Competitions for calculating ZU-23 anti-aircraft mounts mounted on army trucks have been added to the program.

    Something I have little idea of ​​the situation when this skill is useful to the regular parts of the Russian Federation for supporting air defense tasks. Do you think the enemy has UAVs, but we only have the ZU-23 on trucks? According to the Basmachi in the mountains, it didn’t go anywhere, not from an open platform, but from air defense. This passage embarrassed me.
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 10 February 2016 22: 14
      +2
      Quote: Pajama
      Do you have an enemy UAV, but we only have a ZU-23 on trucks?

      ... already discussed ... with AKM and RMB against Apache or with 4 memory 23-2 per battalion ?! ... the answer is clear ... ZU 23-2 is primarily a means to provide anti-aircraft fire, in order to prevent the same Apache from delivering a targeted hit to NAR 70 from 2 kilometers, effective aiming range, and if Apache doesn’t fail, then shearing so that it will grow for a long time ... suspension units, blades, radar, open gun ... hi
      1. Pajamas
        Pajamas 11 February 2016 00: 23
        +5
        Quote: Inok10
        Quote: Pajama
        Do you have an enemy UAV, but we only have a ZU-23 on trucks?

        ... already discussed ... with AKM and RMB against Apache or with 4 memory 23-2 per battalion ?! ... the answer is clear ... ZU 23-2 is primarily a means to provide anti-aircraft fire, in order to prevent the same Apache from delivering a targeted hit to NAR 70 from 2 kilometers, effective aiming range, and if Apache doesn’t fail, then shearing so that it will grow for a long time ... suspension units, blades, radar, open gun ... hi

        You want to get to Apache from ZU-23 of a truck standing on a platform, before using NAR, I understand correctly? This is from 2-5 km, you can imagine the size of the frontal projection of a helicopter at such a distance. Firing range ZU-23 2500m. What kind of barrage are we talking about, what will they dive? From minimum heights and from maximum distances, NUR / ATGM flights will approach a maximum of 2-3 km if the terrain does not allow shooting from 5-6. In general, I still have reasonable doubts. Calculation - 5 people the effectiveness is doubtful, it’s better for everyone according to the Verba MANPADS, now it seems to me the ideal option, for platoons and companies, on a level from the battalion it’s already Armor and Torah.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 11 February 2016 01: 11
          +2
          Quote: Pajama
          You want to get to Apache from ZU-23 of a truck standing on a platform, before using NAR, I understand correctly? This is from 2-5 km, you can imagine the size of the frontal projection of a helicopter at such a distance.

          . But who doubted the expediency of the exercise ?! with memory 23-2? not your words? ...
          Pajama 22.06 Something I have little idea of ​​the situation when this skill is useful to the regular parts of the Russian Federation to ensure air defense tasks.
          ... and so they explained to you why you need skill in handling the ZU 23-2 in the first trench of the motorized rifle battalion ...
          Quote: Pajama
          You can imagine the size of the frontal projection of a helicopter at such a distance. Firing range ZU-23 2500m. What kind of barrage are we talking about, what will they dive? From the minimum altitudes and from the maximum distances, NUR / ATGM flights will approach a maximum of 2-3 km,

          ... just the same, and will be in the region of 300-500 m in height and a distance of no more than 2 km. and excellent projection, learn the materiel, not NUR, but NAR- Uncontrolled aircraft missile, ATGM - Antitank guided missile, NAR for attacking infantry and light armored vehicles, sighting range of NAR 70 at Apache no more than 2 km. ... otherwise, the KVO is more than 10 m. .. such Clever people need to be put in a trench and bombarded so that the mind gets in place ... it's not in a toy flying shooter to fly and shoot .. laughing .
          Quote: Pajama
          if the terrain does not allow to shoot from 5-6.

          ... it’s only Helfaer ... ah, he’s ATGM ... will we attack the infantry with ATGMs with a cumulative warhead? ... gee-gee .. laughing
          Quote: Pajama
          Calculation - 5 people the effectiveness is doubtful, it’s better for everyone according to the Verba MANPADS, now it seems to me the ideal option, for platoons and companies, on a level from the battalion it’s already Shell and Torah.

          ... MANPADS platoon and so full-time, the conversation was for memory 23-2, which you suddenly didn’t need, but I won’t refuse the full-time 4 pieces per battalion + platoon with MANPADS ... just when you want to be smart, you need to read first, think, then write ... and, with regards to Thor and the Carapace of which you wanted to see in the location of the motorized rifle battalion, then, alas, this is already the level of the anti-aircraft missile division of the motorized rifle regiment, and not the battalion ... hi ... almost literate position of the memory 23-2, they didn’t dig it, but it would be ideal ... hi
          1. Pajamas
            Pajamas 11 February 2016 02: 37
            +5
            Quote: Inok10
            just the same, it will be in the region of 300-500 m in height and the distance is no more than 2 km. and excellent projection, learn the materiel, not NUR, but NAR - Unguided Aircraft Missile, ATGM - Antitank Guided Missile, NAR for attacking infantry and light armored vehicles, sighting range of NAR 70 at Apache no more than 2 km. ... otherwise the KVO is more than 10 m. .. such Clever people need to be put in a trench and bombarded so that the mind gets in place ... it's not in a toy flying shooter to fly and shoot

            You read poorly and cling to your own thoughts, You have some kind of spherical horse in a vacuum, for a start, just calm down if you are interested in dialogue.

            You are given data on the range of missile weapons from Apache and you begin to assert themselves in a statement - that the ATGM is anti-tank and what? And if he flies with ATGM, anti-aircraft crew can rest? HAP-M-261: High-Explosive Multipurpose Submunition [MPSM] cluster munition, the application distance from 600-7000m, effective from a distance much greater than 2m and the more effective the greater the angle. You never answered about the barrage at a distance of 500 km, there is no diving or cabriolet, from which we are barring ourselves, but storage range up to 2000 m, so it is written in the manual.
            Quote: Inok10
            and, with regards to Thor and the Carapace of which you wanted to see in the location of the motorized rifle battalion, alas, this is already the level of the anti-aircraft missile division of the motorized rifle regiment, and not the battalion ... hi

            Here you see only what you want, I wrote from the battalion
            Will you collect a regiment in a pile? or it will still be distributed by battalion. Do you like the Division covering the regiment? Geographic center, regiment headquarters, Kitchen?
            Now the fronts do not fight, at best, directions, reference points.

            In any case, you see the need for the ZU-23 in units, I have doubts about their effectiveness as a means of air defense. But the law is not worth it, IMHO, so violently react.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 11 February 2016 11: 21
              +2
              Quote: Pajama
              You are given data on the range of missile weapons from Apache and you begin to assert themselves in a statement - that the ATGM is anti-tank and what? And if he flies with ATGM, anti-aircraft crew can rest? : High-Explosive Multipurpose Submunition [MPSM] cluster munition, the application distance from 600-7000m, effective from a distance much greater than 2m and the more effective the greater the angle.

              ... the application distance as well as NAR, and the memory 23-2 I just brought ... from you I just have an unrelated set of judgments .. there is nothing to talk about ... starting with the fact that NAR-M-261 - does not exist! .. it's a 7 charging launcherDo you shoot directly from the Apache block? laughing . NAR is HYDRA-70 whose launch is carried out with launcher M-261 7 charging or M-260 19 charging ... further you have no understanding of the difference between the following concepts as:
              - maximum range
              - maximum aiming range
              - maximum effective aiming range
              ... and so on NAR HYDRA-70:
              - The maximum flight range in the latest version is up to 10 km.
              - maximum aiming range of 4 km.
              - maximum effective aiming range of 2 km.
              ... from which it follows: ... the use of NAR with a maximum aiming range of 4 km. it is possible, but in this case, the CVT - the coefficient of probable deviation will be more than 10 m (5-6 m is considered acceptable) - that is, the target should occupy a large area measured 2-3 km2 ... it's not like not a trench of a motorized rifle battalion .. .
              ... well, that would be to deliver an effective effective strike to the NAR HYDRA-70 at the position of the motorized rifle battalion Apache should come close no more than 2 km. ... and accordingly falls under the barrage anti-aircraft fire of ZU 23-2:
              - maximum firing range of 5 km.
              - maximum effective / sighting range of 2,5 km.
              - maximum height range of 1,5 km.
              ... and as I said above, if the scalp is not removed from Apache, then you can definitely forget about delivering a targeted blow, as well as about the blades, suspension points, radar, an open gun and, well, a dozen more places ... so that Apache will be treated for a long time ... then I don’t see the point of talking about this topic ... hi
              1. Pajamas
                Pajamas 11 February 2016 16: 07
                0
                Quote: Inok10
                I’m bringing the application range as well as the NAR, and the memory 23-2 ... I just don’t have an associated set of judgments from you .. I feel nothing to talk about ... since the NAR-M-261 doesn’t exist ! .. this is the 7th charging launcher, laughing ... NAP is the HYDRA-70 which is launched from the M-261 7th charging or M-260 19th charging

                You are wrong, and in your error you are trying to blame me
                Are you shooting a block directly from Apache?
                :
                All HYDRA-70 warheads can be divided into two groups: unitary warheads with a contact fuse and components with an air blast.
                Here is the whole nomenclature:
                http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/hydra70-001.jpg
                If you are interested:
                Specifically, according to M-261 - a cluster warhead is used against light armored vehicles, wheeled vehicles, material parts and manpower. M261 - equipped with 9 universal submunitions M-73. The M439 fuse provides programming of the response time at a range of 500 meters to approximately 7000 meters. On the AH-1, the RMS system can only be programmed from 700 meters to 6900 meters. Disclosure occurs 150m from the target. The subelement is optimally crushed into fragments to defeat infantry and equipment. 195 fragments of 10 g each with an initial speed of 1500 m / s. The weight of the M261 warhead is 5,56 kg. Each M-73 has a 90gr cumulative charge which can penetrate 200mm of armor. Cluster warhead is used against light armored vehicles, wheeled vehicles, material parts and manpower. The radius of the fragmentation damage is 5 m, but the slaughter rate for unprotected personnel remains within 20 m at an angle of incidence of 90 degrees.
                M-261 Given by me as a fairly universal ammunition against manpower and lightly armored vehicles. total in a volley from a single installation 271 charges of 33 345 striking elements, a CWO of 5-6 m from a distance of 6000 m, will not play any role 19 circles each with an area of ​​80 m2 will densely overlap the affected area, this is with only one launcher.

                If you take another M-151 missile, NOT: a high-explosive fragmentation warhead. The head part is made of malleable cast iron. Fuse M423, M427 or MK 352. Length √ 1382mm. The total weight of the warhead 3,85 kg, of which 1,04 kg of explosives (B-4). In an explosion, a warhead is fragmented into thousands of small, high-speed fragments. The radius of effective destruction is 10 meters, but the fragments retain high lethal force and in a radius of more than 50 meters. NAR with a semi-active laser guidance system with distributed aperture DASALS (Distributed Aperture Semi-Active Seeker). The range of the page is 1,5-5 km, KVO - 1,5 m.

                There is the M-255A1 Flechette, but this is if you yourself want to familiarize yourself.

                In most cases, Apache will not enter the zone of destruction of ZU-23, so my opinion is that the fight against them is the task of MANPADS, Shell, Torov.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 11 February 2016 16: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: Pajama
                  You are wrong, and in your error you are trying to blame me

                  ... tired of chewing .. just a screenshot ... the source is indicated ... go and learn the difference between the NAR HYDRA-70 and the M-260, M-261 Launch Blocks, the next time you copy-paste, at least try to understand the essence question ... laughing
                  1. Pajamas
                    Pajamas 11 February 2016 17: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Inok10
                    ... tired of chewing .. just a screenshot ... the source is indicated ... go and learn the difference between the NAR HYDRA-70 and the M-260, M-261 Launch Blocks, the next time you copy-paste, at least try to understand the essence question ... laughing

                    On your screen is the penultimate line. Do you think cognitive dissonance is that warheads and launchers can have the same numerical specification? It was a question of NAR, you suddenly decided, apparently from your stupidity, that we are talking about PU, although black and white
                    High-Explosive Multipurpose Submunition [MPSM] cluster munition
                    . You now refuse warm, but no one forces you to shoot. Well, do you think that the ZU-23 with a calculation of 5 people is the effective use of human and technical resources for air defense tasks, your right, but to sculpt any crap and ascribe it to the interlocutor, and even with arrogance and pathos, is .......
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 10 February 2016 22: 14
      +1
      Preparing for ISIS-style operations? Which country is interesting?
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 February 2016 22: 10
    0
    Reported, good. It's time to think about cropped divisions.
  11. Dmitry Ukraine
    Dmitry Ukraine 10 February 2016 22: 17
    +1
    1st Panzer Army, new full-fledged divisions, the western direction ... these are no longer "hints to partners", this is real preparation for possible very serious events.
    1. An64
      An64 10 February 2016 22: 41
      +5
      1st Panzer Army, new full-fledged divisions, the western direction ... these are no longer "hints to partners", this is real preparation for possible very serious events

      You really don’t understand that all this is just a change of names and reorganization of governing bodies? After all, the number of aircraft was not increased by a single person! Everything is done within the limits of the Serdyukov staffing ...
      1. Dmitry Ukraine
        Dmitry Ukraine 11 February 2016 22: 43
        0
        Well no. It is not names that are at war, but organizational structures. The number may be 3 thousand today, tomorrow, after the call-up of reservists - 13. But for their reception, all the necessary units, structures and services should be created in the bud, led by regular officers and a trained "backbone" of contract soldiers (or old-timers) ... And if 000 mobilized people are driven into an ordinary brigade, it will be just an uncontrollable crowd, not a military unit.
    2. Inok10
      Inok10 10 February 2016 23: 32
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Ukraine
      1st Panzer Army, new full-fledged divisions, the western direction ... these are no longer "hints to partners", this is real preparation for possible very serious events.

      ... 2nd Guards Motorized Rifle Taman Order of the October Revolution Red Banner Order of Suvorov Division named after M.I. Kalinin and 4th Guards Tank Kantemirov Order of Lenin Red Banner Division named after Yu.V. Andropov taken as a basis ... A glorious beginning! ... soldier
  12. Dembel77
    Dembel77 10 February 2016 22: 18
    +2
    Everything that does not kill us makes us stronger (C). Therefore, such reforms are necessary for the Russian Armed Forces, which, with minimal time and money, will maximize its practical combat effectiveness - that is, the ability to combat effectively. And not only to win on paper, but also on the battlefield, speaking out against any opponent, in any conditions. And in modern conditions, it also has a flexible and at the same time synchronized military command. The most important thing is to be able to win!
  13. Hauptam
    Hauptam 10 February 2016 22: 23
    +9
    Generals your mother! A new minister will come and that you will again switch to brigades or something else. Write that we are such "tough peppers". Serve the Motherland and not adapt to someone else. Conjuration is not appropriate here.
  14. From Samara
    From Samara 10 February 2016 22: 24
    +1
    The fate of the former GRU special forces brigades ... transferred to the Ground Forces ... is still not clear.
  15. From Samara
    From Samara 10 February 2016 22: 25
    +2
    Yes, and how do the Ground Forces manage without their classic Airborne Forces? Unclear...
  16. King, just king
    King, just king 10 February 2016 22: 28
    13
    Citizens are dear! Soforum residents! Disbatovtsy with a minus rating and marshals of the entire forum! Who will say, at least approximately, when THIS FIRE IN THE BUNK (meaning the Russian Armed Forces) DURING THE FLOOD will end? Yes, this is never anywhere in the world !!! it was not yet that the Armed Forces of the country would reform and hang out like a deck of cards every 5 years.

    How are these unfortunate officers taught there and what? That's it, BTG, the top of tactical perfection, we will crush the brigades, everyone yells "Hurray" at the top of their lungs, incl. and here on the forum. A couple of years have passed, that's it, BTG on ..., give me a regiment and a division. Again everyone yells "Hurray". And "Hurray" shout the same beefy pot-bellied multi-star faces.
    Five or six graduations of the schools went according to battle tactics - a brigade, but when will it end?

    Where did the pedal horses divide academic science? Does she even exist? Where is this fucking General Staff?
    1. 25ru
      25ru 11 February 2016 06: 36
      +1
      Quote: King, just king
      Citizens are dear! Soforum residents! Disbatovtsy with a minus rating and marshals of the entire forum! Who will say, at least approximately, when THIS FIRE IN THE BUNK (meaning the Russian Armed Forces) DURING THE FLOOD will end? Yes, this is never anywhere in the world !!! it was not yet that the Armed Forces of the country would reform and hang out like a deck of cards every 5 years.

      How are these unfortunate officers taught there and what? That's it, BTG, the top of tactical perfection, we will crush the brigades, everyone yells "Hurray" at the top of their lungs, incl. and here on the forum. A couple of years have passed, that's it, BTG on ..., give me a regiment and a division. Again everyone yells "Hurray". And "Hurray" shout the same beefy pot-bellied multi-star faces.
      Five or six graduations of the schools went according to battle tactics - a brigade, but when will it end?

      Why are you shouting so much? Nothing will end. I will quote your TZ, your right to read or score. In the days of this, smerdyukovskih reforms, an interesting event occurred. Cap-times and colonels, in gray hair, were massively sent to rest. I’ll replace myself - they didn’t have time to prepare. With difficulty, they picked up officers of the rank of captain of the 3rd rank / major (second deputies). But these officers (including myself - couldn’t get enough time to manage the connections in such a short time), and then the second wave of reductions went through and came to the helm, those that are not only not up to date, but also like this: the application specialist, suddenly, must engage in fire training.
  17. Realist1989
    Realist1989 10 February 2016 22: 47
    +4
    He got away from the concrete question of the composition of the new divisions. But this is important - are they simply recreating regimental divisions of the late Soviet model, or with a new OShS? Yes, and it’s ridiculous to deploy divisions in the western direction and leave brigades in the eastern direction. And how many divisions does the country need for security, and how many can it staff, especially with the limitation on the number of ground forces at 300 people (about half of which are combat and logistical support units)? And where, besides the Caucasus, can brigades come in handy? There are so many questions, but there are no answers, only the streamlined expressions "kind of made a mistake, conducted a thorough analysis, etc." ...
    1. 25ru
      25ru 11 February 2016 06: 52
      0
      Quote: Realist1989
      He left the concrete question of the composition of the new divisions. But this is important - they simply recreate the divisions of the regimental composition of the late Soviet model, or with the new OShS

      There is no concept - the permanent composition of the division. There is nothing from the regimental composition. Lego". They blinded what was needed.
      You need enhanced capabilities of army aviation - there will be two brigades (EMNIP - about 200 Apaches). It is necessary to strengthen the heavy BTT - you will not have 200, but 350 "Abrams". It will be necessary - there will be not 18 installations, but 72 and those in the modular version of OTP ATACMS / MLRS MLRS. It is necessary - the Patriot air defense missile system will be covered, I don’t consider Avengers, Linebackers, and Stingers in extreme modifications (mod.92 / FIM-92C)
      Constructor.
      1. Realist1989
        Realist1989 11 February 2016 13: 04
        0
        Firstly, in the divisions of the Soviet model there is a permanent composition. If you are talking about the new divisions of the NE RF, then where are the firewood from?
        Secondly, in the American divisions, for all their concept of modularity, there is also a permanent composition - 3 brigade combat groups, a fire support brigade, an army aviation brigade, and a support brigade. Another thing is that the capabilities of their headquarters allow adding various brigades (EMNIP up to 6 units) to reinforce, deploying a corps level grouping on the basis of the division.
        Third, there are no 200 Apaches in two US AA brigades, a maximum of 96 (if both brigades are heavy).
      2. Realist1989
        Realist1989 11 February 2016 13: 57
        0
        In general, the principle of "modularity" is not at all something supernova and innovative. This is just a reinforcement of the headquarters to be able to manage more objects than is available by default. How these objects will be called - regiments or brigades, it does not matter at all. And if you look at the "modularity" in fact, as the opportunity described above to receive additional formations for reinforcement, to replace one unit with another based on the requirements of the situation, then any division, including the Soviet model, possessed this very "modularity" earlier. Where necessary, additional regiments / battalions were attached, where necessary - one regiment was replaced by another. In the regiments themselves with battalions the same thing. Nothing innovative. It's just that nowadays this is a bloated concept associated with something breakthrough and ultra-modern, but in real life only a squeak of fashion can be said.
  18. King, just king
    King, just king 10 February 2016 22: 54
    +7
    Quote: Realist1989
    There are so many questions, but there are no answers, only the streamlined expressions "like they made a mistake, conducted a thorough analysis, etc." ...


    For such "mistakes" in a multi-billion dollar equivalent, in sunny Magadan, cut pine trees with a jigsaw. And about the weakening of the defense capability with the leapfrog of the organization of the army, it is necessary to shoot, because the enemy is at the gate!

    Yes, what is there to discuss. This fly agaric, who was burned out on a bribe for an apartment, the former commander-in-chief of the Ground Forces, it turns out, has applied for a criminal record and a desire to be reinstated. And the Chief of General Staff described his candidacy as "worthy." This pot-bellied five was struggling, and was given a suspended sentence and a fine.
  19. atamankko
    atamankko 10 February 2016 22: 55
    +2
    It is difficult to admit mistakes, but they must be corrected and the following should not be allowed.
  20. sabakina
    sabakina 10 February 2016 23: 17
    +1
    I read the article. And what? So bad at all?
    Alexander Nevsky, Alexander Suvorov, Mikhail Kutuzov, Vasily Chapaev, George Zhukov, Dmitry Ustinov, Vyacheslav Agarkov....
    We’ll be alive, we will not die, but we will die, so we will dance!
  21. Stoler
    Stoler 10 February 2016 23: 25
    +4
    Who DOES NOT RESPONSE for the mediocre, a lot of billions-worth, destruction of divisions ?? Tell me what his name is ?? !! request
    1. tomket
      tomket 11 February 2016 00: 40
      +7
      Quote: Stoler
      Who DOES NOT RESPONSE for the mediocre, a lot of billions-worth, destruction of divisions ?? Tell me what his name is ?? !!

      Tukhachevsky was shot for such a thing. Well, his name is ... If Serdyukov is just a will performer, then you yourself know the customer ....
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 11 February 2016 00: 57
        +7
        Quote: tomket
        . If Serdyukov is just a will performer, then you yourself know the customer ....

        people still think that these are aliens and the State Department request
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 11 February 2016 01: 59
          +6
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          people still think that these are aliens and the State Department

          On the last point, the people are not so wrong, in any case, the customer is determined correctly.
          If not for 08.08, then everything would be very sad now.
          Then the State Department clearly overestimated the degree of collapse of the armed forces and hastened ....

          As for specific surnames, the surnames of the Supreme can, for example, be dug on the Internet ... repeat
    2. VIT101
      VIT101 11 February 2016 07: 48
      +3
      Quote: Stoler
      Who DOES NOT RESPONSE for the mediocre, a lot of billions-worth, destruction of divisions ?? Tell me what his name is ?? !! request


      Undoubtedly, good was given at the very top. But the initiator was NGSH Makarov. His ideas were implemented by Serdyukov, who did not understand anything about this, but knew that it was necessary to "reform and optimize." These two are gone, and those at the very top ...
  22. ohotnik101
    ohotnik101 11 February 2016 02: 37
    +4
    In the Kuriles, the 18 division is, and the 49 division is one of its regiments. The journalist confused something.
    1. 25ru
      25ru 11 February 2016 06: 21
      +2
      There is such a thing -18 PULAD. What's up with the tanks on Iturup? The last time was in 2005. Did not see.
  23. magirus401
    magirus401 11 February 2016 04: 14
    +1
    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
    Quote: Tol100v
    There are no mistakes! There is a systematic (evolutionary) reform of the army.

    mdyayaya, at first divisions in brigades, liquidation of military schools, reduction of army, militia in police, and now back divisions?
    What do you call all this? I can’t pick up a censored word request


    Masturbation is called
  24. King, just king
    King, just king 11 February 2016 08: 13
    0
    Quote: 25ru
    Why are you shouting so much? Nothing will end.


    Shout out, do not shout, vote do not vote - you’ll get anyway ....

    Yeah, not over!
  25. 25ru
    25ru 11 February 2016 08: 37
    0
    Quote: King, just king

    Shout out, do not shout, vote do not vote - you’ll get anyway ....

    Yeah, not over!

    What are you talking about? I admit that during the work I could have missed something? And then, I have a "sliding" IP
  26. 25ru
    25ru 11 February 2016 08: 58
    0
    citizens dear! Soforum residents! Disbatovtsy with a minus rating and marshals of the entire forum! Who will say, at least approximately, when THIS FIRE IN THE BUNK (meaning the Russian Armed Forces) DURING THE FLOOD will end? Yes, this is never anywhere in the world !!! it was not yet that the Armed Forces of the country would reform and hang out like a deck of cards every 5 years.
    Yes, ok, dear! It happens with us all
  27. 25ru
    25ru 11 February 2016 09: 13
    0
    Quote: Pajama
    Competitions for calculating ZU-23 anti-aircraft mounts mounted on army trucks have been added to the program.

    Something I have little idea of ​​the situation when this skill is useful to the regular parts of the Russian Federation for supporting air defense tasks. Do you think the enemy has UAVs, but we only have the ZU-23 on trucks? According to the Basmachi in the mountains, it didn’t go anywhere, not from an open platform, but from air defense. This passage embarrassed me.

    I will answer you, with the tz of the Mangroup1-2 PKT (ammunition about, 16-20 RPG
  28. vnord
    vnord 11 February 2016 09: 39
    0
    When Serdyukov was a minister, I listened to an interview with him. In the interview I liked (let's not talk about corruption, collapse, etc.) his phrase is not literal, it was something like this: “I’m not a military man, I’m an economist, my question is finance, but the composition , tactics, weapons, etc. are not in my competence, but in the competence of the General Staff and the Head of the General Staff. " Many questions immediately arise to the former Head of the General Staff.
  29. South Ural
    South Ural 11 February 2016 10: 18
    0
    At last! With such a territory and a defense concept, it is impossible to have an offensive type of army organization!
  30. da Vinci
    da Vinci 11 February 2016 10: 36
    +1
    [quote = VIT101] [quote = PHANTOM-AS]
    endless change of form, stripes, chevrons, caps, replacement of combat banners with popular popular tablecloths,

    Absolutely correct remark. Caps with a bunch of pretzels and curls, like the tribal leaders of the banana monarchies, are especially killed. [/ Quote]
    Purely aesthetically: But in the photo I drew attention to a T-shirt - either such a worn-out one, or they will not work out with quality. Here in the United States, where did the fashion for t-shirts under the form come from) it seems they do not stretch at the neck. IMHO wink
  31. rennim
    rennim 11 February 2016 15: 49
    0
    In the Army will correct the "brigade bias"

    I would very much like to know who was responsible for such a "distortion" due to which thousands of people were thrown out onto the street? There is no point in talking about financial losses ...