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The actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria made it possible to stop the collapse of statehood in the Middle East, marking the end of the “Arab spring” and the return of Russia to the international arena as an active player. Let us consider how the Chinese analysts assess the current situation and the military potential of the Russian Federation, based on the work of IBV expert M. V. Kazanin.

An important factor in the regional confrontation is the situation on the border of Syria and Turkey. After the destruction of the Russian Su-16 in the area of ​​the city of Azaz by a Turkish F-24 fighter and a series of Russian bombings aviation the position of Turkoman official Ankara decided to strengthen its military presence in the border area. There were thrown 20 tanks M60T, which, according to the plan of the Turkish leadership, will have to restrain the advance of the armored units of the SAR armed forces in their attack against the militants of the Islamic State banned in Russia and other groups.

Tankometry

Units of the armed forces of the SAR, leading the offensive in the north direction, are equipped with Russian T-90С. In this regard, specialists of the leading Chinese corporation for the production of weapons and military equipment "NORINKO" conducted a comparison of the tactical and technical characteristics of the main battle tanks (MBT) of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Turkey. An article prepared by the Scientific and Technical Research Institute of Arms and Military Equipment of the People's Republic of China notes that currently the core of the armored units of the armed forces of Turkey are 170 upgraded М60Т created by the Israeli company IMI on the basis of obsolete М60Х1 / А3.

The contract worth 688 million dollars was signed in September 2002. After its implementation, the Turkish Armed Forces planned to modernize another 792 tank М60А1 / А3. Israeli specialists have replaced the American engine AVDS-1790-5A with the German MTU KA-501, but trial operation revealed a serious problem: in conditions of high ambient temperatures, it is prone to overheating and serious damage. The second item on the upgrade was the M68 tank gun (made in the USA), replaced by MG251 from the Merkava-3 MBT, which allows the use of standard NATO ammunition.

With regard to the M60T armor, Israeli designers partially supplemented it with Merkavy-3 hinged, which does not guarantee protection against the Kornet / Cornet-EM anti-tank missile system, and even more so from the 125 caliber of Russian-made armor-piercing shells. According to the Chinese military and gunsmiths, the Turkish M60T is a second-generation tank with some elements of the third.

The experts described in detail the characteristics of the Russian T-90. Its strengths include the capabilities of the 2А46М-1 (caliber 125 mm), as well as fire control systems and automatic loader, which allow you to produce nine shots per minute or more. If necessary, the T-90 can produce up to four shots in 15 seconds.

The superiority of Russian night-vision devices, panoramic and infrared sights, allowing steady fire at a distance of two thousand meters, is noted. It also draws attention to the fact that the Russian tank’s ammunition is five shots more than the Turkish one, and the 3ВМ42 armor-piercing shells can hit objects with armor thickness over 550 millimeters at a distance of two thousand meters. The only drawback is the unstable operation of the ballistic calculator when firing on the move.

The engine and transmission of the Russian tank are distinguished by high reliability and the ability to work confidently even in the harshest conditions. The superiority of the T-90 over the Turkish M60T in the field of booking and active protection systems against armor-piercing shells and ATGM of various modifications is obvious. The only possibility for Turkish units to influence the actions of Russian armored vehicles is from an ambush or shelter, since the encounter in an open area will definitely end in the destruction of the M60T.

What can the fleet?


Offensive actions of the SAR AF units are provided not only by T-90, BTR-82 and Tiger armored vehicles. The close attention of analysts and gunsmiths of the PRC (as well as Turkish military intelligence) is drawn to Russian surface ships and submarines participating in the fight against IS.

According to Chinese experts, the Russian Navy is on the path to restoring combat capabilities, as evidenced by the serial construction of 636.3 diesel-electric submarines and small rocket ships (MRK) of the Buyan-M 21631 project, equipped with Caliber complexes. Depending on the carrier (ship or submarine), the modification of cruise missiles changes.

Russian diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 in the amount of six units will form the basis of the Black Sea fleet in the field of countering submarines and surface ships of the Turkish Navy. To successfully confront modern diesel-electric submarines HDW209 and HDW214 (manufactured in Germany) by the Turkish Navy, Russian submarines should not reduce their torpedo arsenal in favor of missiles, which, as can be seen from the experience of the Syrian campaign, successfully hit ground targets at a great distance.

Chinese viewers at the Syrian premiereIn the compact size of the 636.3 diesel-electric submarines, a reasonable distribution of ammunition is needed, however, according to Chinese military analysts, the adequate compartment with vertical launchers (PU) for cruise missiles, which will allow low-noise diesel-electric submarines to successfully deal with as surface ships and coastal targets. Probably, the Russian diesel-electric submarines will be equipped with four “Caliber-PL” and 14 torpedoes. Chinese military experts believe that the additional compartment in a submarine with vertical PU will not affect its seaworthiness.

It should be noted that the length of the Kalibr-NK rocket and its weight (a large amount of rocket fuel to ensure the range from 1500 to 2500 km) did not in the best way affect the seaworthiness of the Buyan-M MRK, since its total displacement is only 949 tons. However, Chinese experts admit that eight 3М14Т or 3М14S missiles are a serious strike force for such a ship.

The PLA Navy has submarines, nuclear and diesel-electric, which are comparable to Russian diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 project. They include the “Type 32” type diesel-electric submarines, which was created as a laboratory for testing ballistic (2 vertical launchers), anti-ship and cruise missiles of various ranges “Changjian-10” (“Dongfeng-10”) and “Inji-18” (4 vertical PU).

According to the Chinese shipbuilders, the Russian "Buyany-M" are a model of modern military shipbuilding. They can compete with light frigates of the “056 type”, the only difference from which the MRC is the hydroacoustic station and the torpedo armament, which makes it possible to fight enemy submarines.

Grozny "Tupolev"


Chinese military experts are closely monitoring the use of the strategic Tu-22М3 RF VKS, which in January carried out the third series of bombings on the positions of the IG in Syria (the first was carried out in November, the second in December 2015). As you know, this aircraft is called "aircraft carrier killer."

The tactical and technical characteristics of the Tu-22М3 enable it to fly over a distance of about 5500 kilometers and carry out both missile and bomb strikes against ground and surface targets. The closest competitor in the PLA Air Force is the strategic Hun-6K bomber, which has an 3500 kilometers range. The difference between the Russian analogue is the indicator of the combat load, which varies from 12 to 24 tons, depending on the tasks and the type of weapons used.

Based on the analysis of photographic and video materials, specialists of the PRC military intelligence agencies concluded that far from all capabilities of the Tu-22М3 are used by the Russian Aerospace Force. Probably, the bombing load of “strategists” varies from three to five tons, that is, only FAB-250 / 270 are used in the amount of from 12 to 24 pieces. However, the Tu-22М3 can seriously improve the accuracy of strikes in the case of the use of adjustable or controlled planning aerial bombs, which are in the arsenal of the Russian Aerospace Force. In addition, these aircraft are capable of launching anti-ship missiles X-22 and X-32.

The interest of the PLA specialists in this sample is explained by the fact that Beijing needs a bomber of this class to defeat the carrier-based strike groups of the Navy of foreign states in the event of an armed conflict. Of particular interest to Chinese military engineers is the NK-32 engine (Soviet design), which provides the aircraft with a take-off weight of over 100 tons, a speed greater than 2 Mach (speed of sound) and a range over 5000 kilometers.

In a similar engine that provides flight at supersonic speeds, the advanced development of the Chinese military-industrial complex — the strategic bomber “Hun-10”, which is at the design stage, needs. To create their own power plant of this type, the specialists of the Chinese military-industrial complex will need 30 for years and several tens of billions of yuan. It has not yet succeeded in reproducing the Tu-22М3, although part of the technical documentation was transferred by partners from Ukraine, since before the collapse of the USSR, these aircraft were based on its territory. It is noteworthy that, in addition to the PRC, in acquiring the Tu-22М3, they are interested in India and Iran: the presence of such aircraft will make it possible to solve both military and political tasks.

Chinese analysts believe that by 2020, the structure of the Russian Aeronautical Science will be around 30 machines upgraded according to the Tu-22М3М program. As a result, new airborne electronic equipment and software of Russian production will appear on them, the working conditions of the crew will improve. In China, they believe that the tactics of using the Tu-22М3 in Syria (bombing from high altitudes) fully comply with the requirements for ensuring flight safety.

Massive air strikes are relevant for the destruction of columns of oil tankers, large infrastructure facilities IG. In addition, the “hail of lead and fire” during the actions of the Tu-22М3 has a powerful psychological effect: the terrorists try to avoid concentration and act in groups because they realize that a large gathering of manpower and equipment is definitely “worthy of attention” of Russian strategic bombers.

Unbreakable Dryers


The second plane that attracted the attention of PLA Air Force officers and analysts is the Su-34 fighter-bomber, which in terms of its combat capabilities is not inferior to the American F-15E, F-35, Chinese JF-17 and JH-7, as well as early versions Su-30 (modifications MKK / MK2, MKI, MK2V, MKM), supplied to the aviation units of the naval forces of China, India, Vietnam and Malaysia. It should be noted that in comparison with the above-listed Su-34 aircraft is the most powerful, and therefore ensures the implementation of a wider range of tasks.

The 201 specialists of the Northern Group of Companies Research Institute (the NORINKO arms concern) carried out a detailed analysis of the Su-34 capabilities, equipment and weapons, the development of which began as early as 1986. The basis for its creation was the third-generation fighter Su-27, the first prototype under the designation T-10В-1 was tested in 1990-m, and the second was tested in the interests of the Russian Navy with the expectation of creating a deck version, but this direction was closed.

Chinese experts note that the first copies of this machine began to arrive in the Russian Air Force in 2006, however, the commissioning rate remained insignificant (two aircraft per year). The premiere of the Su-34 in a real combat situation is the five-day operation of the Russian Armed Forces to force Georgia to peace, during which these aircraft first interfered with the Georgian air defense radar and then destroyed them with anti-radar missiles.

With the 2010 of the year, the Su-34 aircraft are equipped with modern AL-31-M1 / M2 engines and the auxiliary power unit TA14-130-35, which provides power to the systems in the absence of airport maintenance.

According to the designers of the Chinese military-industrial complex, the Su-34 fighter-bomber complements the capabilities of the strategic Tu-22М3, since with a full combat load of eight tons it can use all existing air-to-ship, air-to-ship munitions. The onboard guidance system ensures the use of highly accurate, adjustable and guided planning bombs of various calibers, the probable deviation of which ranges from three to five meters. Such accuracy is necessary when destroying disguised and fortified strongholds, headquarters and warehouses of IS militants in Syria.

According to experts from the Middle Kingdom, Su-34 can be attributed to the generation of aircraft "4 ++" because it is able to destroy ground and surface targets, resist fighters and enemy air defense systems, as well as provide cover for the actions of ground forces for a long time due to refueling .

Experts from the PLAC Air Force University of Aviation note that the increase in the number of Su-34 on Khmeymim airbase from 4 to 12 machines, as well as the redeployment of four Su-35 fighters from the air base in the Astrakhan region, is due to the complexity of the situation in the northern direction of the SAR aircraft attack.

At the present stage of the fight against the IS, pilots of the Russian Aerospace Forces pilots supporting the Syrian government forces are operating in the immediate vicinity of the air defense and Turkish air forces. Under these conditions, the military-political leadership of Russia decided to reinforce the air component with modern aircraft (Su-34 and Su-35), which can both ensure the fulfillment of the combat mission and prevent any attempts to "fire from the corner."

Battle treble

As for the use of electronic warfare systems in Syria, the example of high-quality countermeasures to American reconnaissance aircraft and satellites is the operation of EW 1L269 “Krasuha-2” and 1RLK257 “Krasuha-4” mobile stations, which successfully “blinded” the radio-reconnaissance systems of the following aircraft, BLA and US Air Force satellites: Early Radar Detection and Control (ERA) “E-8”, reconnaissance aircraft RC-135W Rivet Joint and RC-135S Cobra Ball, reconnaissance-impact UAV MQ-1 “Predator” (airborne radar J-band on), Global Hawk's strategic reconnaissance drone (J-band airborne radar), Lacrosse and KN satellite reconnaissance satellites (S-band stations).

In addition, the EW RF complexes block the work of the equipment of the reconnaissance aircraft "E3 Sentry" (S-band radar) and the MQ-9A Reaper UAV, the British Air Force (X-band), the DRLOiU E-7T Turkish Air Force. The complexes of the Russian electronic warfare interfere with the communication systems of these devices with command centers within 150 – 300 radius from the place of deployment at the Hmeimim airbase and TTP in Tartus.

The Chinese experts from 56, 57, 58 of the 3 Management Institute and 29, 36 and 38 of the Research Institute of 4 Management of the PLA General Staff, concluded that under the conditions of their active work Impossible to use a Chinese-made CH-3,4 UAV. The equipment for communication and control of UAVs of this model is not able to function under the conditions of “addressable” radio-electronic suppression.

In addition to EW, radio and radio intelligence is an integral element of modern armed conflicts. The Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria use the Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft, which provides a radar survey of the terrain, takes its photographs and intercepts open radio communications. Chinese experts believe that its equipment allows the interception and processing of cellular signals and satellite telephony.

Air Force expert Sun Xiaojun notes that Il-20 is somewhat inferior to modern American aircraft in terms of its technical capabilities; however, adopting Il-214P (currently operating two units) will allow for longer reconnaissance flights over Syria, and its equipment will give information and activities of the Turkish Armed Forces.

Analysts of the China Aviation Industry Corporation No. 1 (AVIC-1), the main manufacturer of equipment for the PLA Air Force, remind that the specialists of the Russian Federation have designed a promising fire support aircraft Il-114TOP.

Retired rear admirals Zhang Zhaozhun and Yi Zho celebrate the activities of the medium reconnaissance ships of the Russian Navy (Black Sea Fleet CER-201 Priazovye, Pacific Fleet CER-208 Kuriles and Baltic Fleet CER-231) whose electronic systems provide for the interception of militant talks IGs via radio and satellite communications, as well as monitor the radio communications of aviation and the fleet of NATO member countries located in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea.

Chinese experts do not depend on the domestic domestic political situation and are neutral and objective in their attitude towards Russia. The more important their ratings are both positive and critical.
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  1. Uran
    Uran 10 February 2016 18: 24 New
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    and this is a great training ground for the demonstration of our weapons! for the whole world, including India. for one and beat the barmaley! and decide foreign policy. let them observe and conclude contracts. that's a plus!
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 10 February 2016 18: 28 New
      100
      The Chinese are watching and shaking. Further there will be negotiations, contracts, copying and industrial espionage. Everything as usual.
      1. cniza
        cniza 10 February 2016 18: 36 New
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        Such an interesting article, as a view from the outside and this is only part of the technique from the Russian side ... like the analysis is done by the Chinese, and Satanovsky writes, thanks.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 10 February 2016 18: 43 New
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          Evgeny Yanovich always gives interesting layouts, but on this occasion vague doubts torment me:
          The actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria helped stop the collapse of statehood in the Middle East, marking the end of the "Arab spring"
          It seems to me that it is too early to put an end to "Arab Spring".
          Libya, Kurds, and Turkey may still explode!
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 11 February 2016 13: 23 New
            +5
            Quote: Baikonur
            It seems to me that it is too early to put an end to "Arab Spring".

            it all depends on the position of the Russian Federation and the ability to conduct further databases against the IG (PMC syshya).
            nevertheless, the "partners" are actively opposing this: the whole complex of means is used here: a dirty lie that our aerospace forces are bombing hospitals, attacks from the media on top officials of our state, the same "actions" by the Turkish Air Force. Not excluding repetition. Notice by the way how competently Jews behave: intellect and a sense of benefit are immediately visible. Turks are stupid meat, which in the end will pay for it. however, it has always been so, and all who wanted to have them in the dark.
            A bit in the article surprised this:
            third-generation fighter Su-27

            Su-27 is purely the fourth generation. 3- Mig-21,23.

            and I would like to separately note on su-34:

            he will not be able to feel confident in a maneuverable battle. If I'm not mistaken, he has an armored capsule for two crew members, and even has a mini kitchen. All this makes the center of mass heavier and shifts. Of course, it can fire air-to-air, but that's different. By the way, I saw somewhere a video on youtube about imitation of maneuverable combat between su-27 and su-34. The 27th gave in!
            And also at the expense of the Turks: their main strength is 200+ F-16 Block 53 like. In general, improved. Plus a large fleet. so it will not be easy to compete with them. we definitely don’t need it, and the states will leave them exactly first, because no pity!
            1. ZKB
              ZKB 12 February 2016 23: 44 New
              +3
              I think, in addition to the combat and advertising component in the use of our technology in Syria, there is a very subtle political move, with a hint of tough circumstances - we do not scare, we warn. and let them draw conclusions. By the way, when assessing the possibilities, I either missed or the author of the component of the S-300 and S-400 complexes, as well as TOS.
            2. Altona
              Altona 12 February 2016 23: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: silver_roman
              Su-27 is purely the fourth generation. 3- Mig-21,23.

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              The Chinese appreciated by their classification, they have one step less than ours. Satanovsky translated literally without editing. And in general, it’s good that they don’t interfere with technical details with their vision, but leave the author’s text.
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      2. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer 10 February 2016 18: 53 New
        +9
        I agree, the Chinese never do anything for nothing, and even more so do not comment.
      3. tol100v
        tol100v 10 February 2016 19: 23 New
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        Quote: oleg-gr
        . Everything as usual.

        Everything is as usual, it is unlikely to work out. China has long been engaged in photocopying, outwardly - it looks like, but no more! Well, if the "most-most" cannot repeat the RD-180, then China for the next decade is possible, but one should not forget. Very persistent and stubborn guys! (Especially about stealing) Everything that they have copied lately is definitely inferior in quality and performance characteristics - to the ORIGINALS! Thanks to our engineers for the ability to hide know-how! After all, the PRC was never able, even close, to come close to either the accuracy or the power of our MLRS and air defense systems! This also applies to the rest of the nomenclature! So, thanks again to our scientists and engineers!
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 10 February 2016 22: 05 New
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          Their MLRS for 400 km. bullets ... It seems even 450 already ... There are shells for them without navigation (200 m.KVO) and with navigation (50 m.KVO), this is at such a range ... Yes, and MLRS are used for carpet shelling where KVO is not critical ... There are anti-submarine shells ... There are shells barrage in search of a target, there are guidance shells (lead the rest in the pack) .... With MLRS they are all very serious ...
          1. poquello
            poquello 11 February 2016 00: 19 New
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            Quote: Karlovar
            ... There are shells barrage in search of a target, there are guidance shells (lead the rest in the pack) ....

            go to the museum
          2. VP
            VP 11 February 2016 08: 56 New
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            There is doubt that it is salvo fire that is needed for firing at 200-400 km.
            Each of these missiles that fly several hundred kilometers costs a lot. What then should be the value of the goal to seed it with volleys of these toys? Firing them at some platoon or at three tanks is stupid.
            If there is an important target, it’s easier to sniff it with some a la Iskander with a half-ton warhead with an accuracy of hitting a target of several meters — there will be a more guaranteed defeat and will come out cheaper than launching a package of long-range missiles.
            1. Suhow
              Suhow 13 February 2016 13: 29 New
              0
              maybe the sun of the PLA use what is? and given the low-cost workforce, it’s not expensive for them.
          3. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 11 February 2016 10: 29 New
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            .... Their MLRS for 400 km. bullets ...

            .... belay ..... And what size and how many barrels ???? .... For comparison - SCUD, range 500 km and dimensions ..... They have that ???? .... On the MLRS launcher one by one missile cost ???? .... It is very doubtful for MLRS with a range of 400 km ..... They still cannot make a rocket for their "S-300" with a good range, due to the lack of fuel with the required energy. ..... hi
      4. Michael67
        Michael67 10 February 2016 20: 04 New
        +2
        Chinese analysts ... Chinese photocopiers! They opened to me, you know, a new continent.
      5. gergi
        gergi 10 February 2016 20: 28 New
        +9
        In order to avoid copying, one should not sell pieces of equipment piece by piece, as they did when they were boroch, but in large quantities, like smart people do. Then it makes no sense to copy, and our military-industrial complex is in chocolate.
      6. RUSIVAN
        RUSIVAN 10 February 2016 20: 44 New
        +3
        The Chinese have spied it for a long time, but the point is whether they will be able to repeat our developments, copy them visually, yes they can, but I personally doubt the filling here ... we have a saying "One torment, but different hands" - The Chinese will not be able to repeat our analogues, unless, of course, we ourselves will not help them in this ...
      7. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 10 February 2016 21: 30 New
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        The Chinese are watching and shaking. Further there will be negotiations, contracts, copying and industrial espionage. Everything as usual.

        Several years ago I had a chance to visit an exhibition of mechanical equipment in Moscow for work. More than half of the several dozen exhibition spaces are Chinese. BUT! If the rest of the participants brought equipment and products that are manufactured on them, then the Chinese "comrades" had 90% of them on display: a table on which several brochures and 5-6 Chinese people were 20 years old, or even less. Moreover, everyone "does not speak" Russian, and you will not always find a translator for several places. The remaining 10% are more "respectable" representatives - they even have small-scale hardware and older representatives with knowledge of the language. Young people mostly moved around the hall, filming, watching. It felt like it was a training for novice spies on economic secrets. The Chinese are actively using Lenin's behest - "Learn, Learn and Learn", adding the national "Tyrit, Tyrit and Tyrit"
      8. HARDDEN_KMV
        HARDDEN_KMV 11 February 2016 02: 53 New
        +3
        The Union never sold new weapons, always the previous one, well, Russia, as a receiver of the USSR, does the same, well, he had espionage in all countries and will simply be Chinese with more fanaticism, well, to make more copies
      9. VP
        VP 11 February 2016 08: 45 New
        +2
        Copying does not guarantee anything.
        How many decades have they not been able to copy plainly Soviet aircraft engines? They were already dismantled by molecules and still "a stone flower does not come out."
      10. su163
        su163 11 February 2016 12: 43 New
        +1
        In the end, and you can expect a pig from them
      11. Ihrek
        Ihrek 11 February 2016 23: 12 New
        0
        While they will shake and copy, they will come up with something new for us.
    2. flSergius
      flSergius 10 February 2016 18: 30 New
      +9
      Chinese everywhere

      Uran, read the first option ( wink ) Of your comment, and now I'm sitting in Horror: it’s scary to look under the computer table, and to sit in ignorance is even worse wassat
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 10 February 2016 18: 51 New
      +3
      The author carried out a low-quality analysis. I forgot to mention that the Turks, in addition to the modernized M60, also have Leopards-2A4. Further, it is not at all obvious that the M60T is so inferior to the T-90. Since the Turkish is equipped with a 120-mm Israeli gun and can use the entire line of modern BOPS, which are superior to those in service with the T-90 at the moment. For example, the American M829A2 (already removed from service) allows you to hit the T-90 with dynamic protection "Contact-5" (DZ obr.azh 86) from 6 (! ) kilometers, and not the latest M829A3 projectile penetrates at least 770 mm of armor at a distance of 2 km. The TUR on the T-90 is also a useful thing, but this is not the main ammunition of the tank, an auxiliary weapon and at distances of up to 2 km there is no alternative to BOPS, especially in order to realize the firing range of tank guided missiles of 5 km. you need an appropriate terrain and direct visibility of the target, and also due to the lack of an auxiliary power plant for the operation of the MSA on the T-90, it is necessary to drive the main engine, thereby giving out the location of the position by the thermal signature. KOEP "Shtora-1 / Shtora-2" is not a bad thing, but the overall searchlights of the system are installed on the tower instead of (!) DZ elements, thereby dramatically weakening important zones. The Arena KAZ systems or others are not installed on combat tanks. Flimsy side screens with DZ are very quickly damaged in combat conditions and fly off. According to the MSA, the T-90 uses not the most advanced thermal imaging matrices from Thales in the gunner's sight, there is no panoramic observation device for the commander with all-round visibility, and the commander also does not have a separate thermal imager. The T-90 also has a number of features such as an outdated mechanical transmission that negatively affects characteristics of mobility and maneuverability. As for the overheating of the M60T, the Indians also noted a tendency to overheat in hot conditions in their service with the T-90. The M60T, in addition to a good Israeli 120-mm cannon, has a more advanced Israeli-made MSA and a more modern transmission and the convenience of the driver's mechanic, DZ is also present, so the potential meeting of these tanks on the battlefield does not mean 100% defeat of the Turkish-Israeli counterpart
      1. tehnoluks
        tehnoluks 11 February 2016 02: 10 New
        +2
        For example, the American М829А2 (already withdrawn from service) allows hitting the T-90 with dynamic protection "Contact-5" (DZ obr.azh 86) from 6 (!) kilometers

        It's time to retire, "GENERAL"
        1. midivan
          midivan 11 February 2016 05: 08 New
          +6
          Quote: tehnoluks
          It's time to retire, "GENERAL"

          actually to the wall laughing for undermining the morale of the Army
        2. Sheikh
          Sheikh 11 February 2016 10: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: tehnoluks
          For example, the American М829А2 (already withdrawn from service) allows hitting the T-90 with dynamic protection "Contact-5" (DZ obr.azh 86) from 6 (!) kilometers

          It's time to retire, "GENERAL"


          Underestimating the strength and potential of the adversary leading to heavy losses borders on criminal negligence.
          Sober (sober) informed opinions and visions of educated people are much more important and interesting than any eye-catching slogans for a beer.
          Everything is exclusive IMHO.
      2. Seraphimamur
        Seraphimamur 11 February 2016 04: 50 New
        +5
        Judging by your comment, the T-90 is full of Mr. and we have no chance against the Turks? The boss is all gone, the client leaves, I take off the plaster !!!! Ha ha ha
      3. oblako
        oblako 11 February 2016 05: 55 New
        +2
        Satanovsky E.Ya. as always "zhzhot" and works for the journalistic rating, he is an interesting interlocutor, probably at the table. No wonder the director of the institute was invited to the radio station and to the programs of Solovyov on television. He is a little inclined towards "urapatriotism" with his native Israeli bias, exactly to the extent that would not allow a normal person to suspect him of idiocy. I have nothing against it, he listens to both here and there is great, but as a military analyst he cannot be trusted. If only from the standpoint of strengthening morale))).
      4. Corsair
        Corsair 11 February 2016 18: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        the potential meeting of these tanks on the battlefield does not at all mean 100% defeat of the Turkish-Israeli counterpart

        what Do you assume that there will be big tank battles in WWII? So right in the group to group field? doubtful very much.
        Most likely the case will be decided by aviation and infantry with RPGs or mobile ATGM systems, according to some experts, tanks live in open areas for about 20 minutes, and also in the city if there is no appropriate cover.
        1. Altona
          Altona 12 February 2016 23: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          Do you assume that there will be big tank battles in WWII? So right in the group to group field?

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          There are mountains, hills and plains. By modern means, all these miracle tanks in some critical amount will be destroyed by attack aircraft. The tank there is usually mobile artillery, spat on shells of enemy trenches and left faster, until the ATGM was planted.
      5. morituri
        morituri 12 February 2016 21: 35 New
        +1
        Strange one-sided. And the grounds are only their own speculation. Facts refuting the article where? If you deny it, then on pliz points, with links to the source. Unprofessional, like a political meeting. And then evaluate the moral motivation of the Turkish army, which Erdogan transplanted all. Why are they a bitts? They cannot cope with the Holodozed Kurds !!!
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 10 February 2016 18: 54 New
      +1
      In the fleet. The Black Sea Fleet is currently much inferior to the Turkish one. In fact, the latter is the strongest in the basin of the Black and Mediterranean Seas 9 excluding the French, of course) The Russian Black Sea Fleet has only one (!) Submarine, while Turkey has as many as 14 German projects and modern project 214 with an air-independent power plant is under construction , as well as 24 frigates and corvettes of American, French production, two national developments, as well as those built according to German projects. Moreover, the American ones in service underwent a serious modernization program with the replacement of the radar, the installation of a BIUS, hydroacoustic sonar, the installation of a bow vertical launch launcher for 32 missiles ESSM in addition to the Mk13 installation for launching the Harpoon anti-ship missile system and the Standard long-range missiles. For parity with the Turkish Navy, the Black Sea Fleet must be radically strengthened. However, one must bear in mind that the Black Sea Straits and Gibraltar are controlled by NATO countries. On the Su-34. It is a striking vehicle, and cannot be compared with fighters for hitting ground targets. the machine is formidable, but not optimized for air combat. In addition, it carries one and a half tons of armor. Its foreign counterpart is more likely only the strike F-15E Strike Eagle (the American appeared earlier and the Su-34 was conceived 25 years ago as a response to this machine) With Su-34 fighters cannot be compared. If we talk about the Air Force, it should be borne in mind that in addition to the outdated F-5 and F-4 Phantom, the Turkish Air Force includes about 240 modern F-16 fighters. This is a serious force. In addition, nationally developed SOM air-launched cruise missiles are in service; it is also worth considering the presence of operational-tactical ballistic missiles (with a range of 150 and 300 km) and long-range 300-mm RZSO with a range of 100-180 km (under a Chinese license)
      1. fox21h
        fox21h 10 February 2016 19: 51 New
        15
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        In the fleet. The Black Sea Fleet is currently much inferior to the Turkish one. In fact, the latter is the strongest in the basin of the Black and Mediterranean Seas 9 excluding the French, of course) The Russian Black Sea Fleet has only one (!) Submarine, while Turkey has as many as 14 German projects and modern project 214 with an air-independent power plant is under construction , as well as 24 frigates and corvettes of American, French production, two national developments, as well as those built according to German projects. Moreover, the American ones in service underwent a serious modernization program with the replacement of the radar, the installation of a BIUS, hydroacoustic sonar, the installation of a bow vertical launch launcher for 32 missiles ESSM in addition to the Mk13 installation for launching the Harpoon anti-ship missile system and the Standard long-range missiles. For parity with the Turkish Navy, the Black Sea Fleet must be radically strengthened. However, one must bear in mind that the Black Sea Straits and Gibraltar are controlled by NATO countries. On the Su-34. It is a striking vehicle, and cannot be compared with fighters for hitting ground targets. the machine is formidable, but not optimized for air combat. In addition, it carries one and a half tons of armor. Its foreign counterpart is more likely only the strike F-15E Strike Eagle (the American appeared earlier and the Su-34 was conceived 25 years ago as a response to this machine) With Su-34 fighters cannot be compared. If we talk about the Air Force, it should be borne in mind that in addition to the outdated F-5 and F-4 Phantom, the Turkish Air Force includes about 240 modern F-16 fighters. This is a serious force. In addition, nationally developed SOM air-launched cruise missiles are in service; it is also worth considering the presence of operational-tactical ballistic missiles (with a range of 150 and 300 km) and long-range 300-mm RZSO with a range of 100-180 km (under a Chinese license)

        Anti-ship systems deployed in Crimea multiply the entire Turkish fleet by zero, as V. Shurygin wrote in his article, that even if you load them all onto platforms and take them 100 km inland, this will not save them there either, so lamentations about the outdated fleet, etc., are ridiculous to me.
        1. jjj
          jjj 10 February 2016 23: 28 New
          +8
          In China. Once we held an exhibition in the Middle Kingdom. The mascot symbol was the character of the writer Nosov - Dunno. So only the lazy Chinese did not blame that Russia went wild, making him a symbol of a stupid character. Tell me, which of the bearers of Russian culture considers Dunno to be mediocre? This is the fundamental difference between cultures
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 11 February 2016 11: 07 New
            +6
            probably you minus Chinese put wink Dunno is a purely Russian character, like Ivanushka, who is only from the outside. This is the mystery of the Russian soul for foreigners - impracticality, disinterested help and “not remembering” evil, in contrast to the same Poles and Baltic people. Strange, but we treat the Germans better than all these "political prostitutes" - former "friends" request
  2. flSergius
    flSergius 10 February 2016 18: 28 New
    25
    Let them watch. We've already finished playing the "little brothers" who, after the USSR, rushed to the corners like cockroaches when you turn on the light. Only strength is respected. And China in general is such an ally, to which it is better not to turn your back.
    1. quote
      quote 10 February 2016 18: 40 New
      19
      Quote: flSergius
      And China in general is such an ally that it is better not to turn its back on it.

      And standing face to face, do not unzip your fly.
      Copy "truncated".
    2. 34 region
      34 region 10 February 2016 18: 50 New
      11
      18.28. Having eliminated the Warsaw bloc, the social camp, we ourselves threw our friends. They did not give them any help. But our partners actively tidied up our former ones. And in our own country, we renounced our past, recognizing it as gloomy. And what do we want from others? We ourselves have called ourselves goats and are offended when others tell us this. Medvedev recently said: We will not help anyone. And then who is the cockroach? We want to be supported, but we are sending.
      1. flSergius
        flSergius 10 February 2016 19: 19 New
        10
        34 region, I partially agree with you, we ourselves divorced the traitors and followed their lead for a long time, but still what came first: the “parades of sovereignty” of subsidized republics, or the treacherous policy of the “democrats” and self-flagellation based on liberal political tales? And the secession from the USSR with economic problems is one thing, and the inculcation of Russophobia is another.
        1. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 10 February 2016 19: 55 New
          +9
          we spread the traitors ourselves and walked with them for a long time

          Traitors led us. They said one thing, did another, thought a third. In fact, these leaders abandoned attempts to create a super-privileged class in the conditions of socialism, decided to create it in the conditions of wild capitalism.
          Regarding weapons. If the Tu-22M3 air refueling system, taken under an agreement with the Americans, is returned, this machine could show significantly better results.
  3. APASUS
    APASUS 10 February 2016 18: 39 New
    +5
    It is interesting that such a report is being made by the Chinese, in fact something similar to this report should logically appear by our "friends" from NATO.
  4. skrabplus.ru
    skrabplus.ru 10 February 2016 18: 39 New
    +4
    Advertising and PR will not hurt, the main thing is that rice eaters should not be allowed into the cabin and in secret places.
  5. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 February 2016 18: 40 New
    +3
    That a third party, somewhere objective gives high marks to our technology is good. More of this technique and faster!
  6. Dam
    Dam 10 February 2016 18: 41 New
    +7
    You will be strong, there will be allies, you will be weak, the first will try to nibble a piece. Such is social Darwinism
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 10 February 2016 18: 56 New
      -1
      Will you be strong, there will be allies .............................. And they need allies? As for me, for Russia, any ally is only a hindrance!
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 11 February 2016 09: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Pirogov
      Will you be strong, there will be allies .............................. And they need allies? As for me, for Russia, any ally is only a hindrance!

      If you look at the history of Russia, then the only ally who needs to be grateful after decades, then this is Mongolia. The rest were all marked by the deposition of larvae in our garden.
      1. Kvazar
        Kvazar 12 February 2016 18: 47 New
        0
        Actually, this is the Republic of Tuva (Tuva).
        The Tuvan People’s Republic voluntarily became part of the USSR in 44 years. Prior to this, having very few real resources during the war, the USSR transferred everything that it could and could not. These are the pies.
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 February 2016 18: 43 New
    0
    The fact that a third party praises our technology is good. More technology and faster!
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 10 February 2016 18: 44 New
      +1
      Delete, crash.
  8. Tusv
    Tusv 10 February 2016 18: 46 New
    +1
    Not well. The new fourth-generation America’s nuclear submarine should have 40 trident-4 on board. It is easy to voice the number of weapons for a formidable submarine. Small business, build such a wunderwafel
  9. Igor V
    Igor V 10 February 2016 18: 47 New
    +1
    SSV-231 - Vasily Tatishchev. As if the Chinese do not know.
  10. potalevl
    potalevl 10 February 2016 18: 47 New
    +1
    Is it worth it to listen to the opinion of Chinese experts who are able to only copy the best examples of world technical thought, posing as their designs, and even not of the best quality?
    1. 34 region
      34 region 10 February 2016 18: 58 New
      -24 qualifying.
      18.47. The Chinese are only able to copy! But we are not even able to copy. For example, copy good roads. Can we They tried to release the Volga-Cyber. Could you? And our auto industry is able to produce Lada better than Koreans? We are proud of the stigma- Made in Russia? We still have a lot of Chinese to catch up and catch up.
      1. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 10 February 2016 19: 58 New
        +5
        The Chinese still can not really copy our aircraft engines.
        They put their engines on airplanes for export, but our engines go for domestic use.
      2. poquello
        poquello 11 February 2016 00: 01 New
        +6
        Quote: 34 region
        ... And our auto industry is able to produce Lada better than Koreans? We are proud of the stigma- Made in Russia? We still have a lot of Chinese to catch up and catch up.

        so who will make you proud, if you yourself do not want
      3. Seraphimamur
        Seraphimamur 11 February 2016 04: 55 New
        +2
        By reading similar comments and chatting with similar people
        I always want to ask the question: "How does it feel to be inferior and inferior and how does this affect the perception of the world?"
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 10 February 2016 20: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: potalevl
      Is it worth it to listen to the opinion of Chinese experts who are able to only copy the best examples of world technical thought, posing as their designs, and even not of the best quality?

      In 90, I laughed at Chinese goods. I don’t laugh now. Chinas fellow, overtook us.
  11. viktor561
    viktor561 10 February 2016 18: 47 New
    +5
    "The more important is their assessment - both positive and critical." Yes, everything is not bad - we are just late everywhere - there are only 2 aircraft there - they will only be there - they just started building there, and so on. - NATO and the United States will not wait for 2020 - they will strangle themselves for their hegemony - now there is any small occasion and war! Are we ready?
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 11 February 2016 02: 16 New
      +6
      So you have a beautiful and indestructible handicap, a nuclear triad, which ensures that you have time to rearm your army and navy! (naval and air) And if you also work without panic and gouging, then raise the economy to a level worthy of Russia!
  12. triglav
    triglav 10 February 2016 18: 48 New
    0
    Know ours!
  13. Million
    Million 10 February 2016 18: 49 New
    +2
    China is in a favorable position: it does not go anywhere and has a profit from all crises on the planet
  14. alone
    alone 10 February 2016 18: 51 New
    +5
    how do Chinese analysts assess the current situation and military potential of the Russian Federation, relying on the work of the IBV expert M.V. Kazanin.


    the Chinese analyze based on the work of expert Kazanin. And the article was written by E. Satanovsky. Question: Where is purely Chinese analysis?

    And yet. The Syrians, for example, use the t-90S. Only because the Turks transferred Israeli modernization to the M60T border, they intensively discuss the shortcomings of the M60T. And that experts are not aware that the Turks have in addition to the m60T a sufficient number of Leopards-2 of various modifications down to 2A6?

    P.S. I do not believe that it will come to a military conflict.
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 11 February 2016 03: 22 New
      0
      Quote: lonely
      P.S. I do not believe that it will come to a military conflict.

      Unfortunately, the likelihood of conflict is very high.
  15. PKK
    PKK 10 February 2016 18: 54 New
    0
    Ours learned to work with the Chinese. The Chinese recently were outraged by the various tolerances of Su sold to them. The Chinese were supposed to work in Syria, Russia was ahead of them. And after such an article, it became interesting what China would do in Syria and how did he fight when he came first?
    1. alone
      alone 10 February 2016 19: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: PKK
      And after such an article, it became interesting what China would do in Syria and how did he fight when he came first?

      The concept of China is that China climbs when it needs it. The Chinese are never the first to climb anywhere. China is quietly acting.
      1. Seraphimamur
        Seraphimamur 11 February 2016 05: 01 New
        +1
        Yes, they do not climb anywhere. The Chinese are a nation of traders. Now they equipped the army, but it never fought. The last time with the Japanese and then in the form of guerrilla warfare. Their worst weapon is their strength; all the conquerors who came to them assimilated.
    2. Wheel
      Wheel 11 February 2016 03: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: PKK
      The Chinese were supposed to work in Syria,

      What did they lose there?
      What is their interest in Syria?
  16. vadostar
    vadostar 10 February 2016 18: 56 New
    +1
    Nevertheless, to enlist their support, at this stage in the development of the situation, we, oh well, would do well what
  17. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 February 2016 18: 57 New
    10
    About comparing tanks ...
    There is a small but important feature.
    T-90 - low profile, which is an important advantage in the lowlands,
    but the disadvantage is hilly. To shoot from the hill, the T-90 needs
    completely roll out to its top.
    M-60 is quite high. It’s easier to knock it out on the plain, but, with
    he has a significant angle of lowering of the gun, in hilly
    terrain - he is the "king". Fire from the backside of the hill by exposing
    only the top of the tower and the cannon are out - a long-standing successful reception of Israeli tankers.
    It cannot be that the Turks did not know him.
    1. just exp
      just exp 10 February 2016 19: 10 New
      +2
      in general, the Turks were going to kind of attack, but about the defense they star for society.
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 10 February 2016 19: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh

      It cannot be that the Turks did not know him.


      Well, if your lads made tanks for the Turks, then they taught them how to use these tanks. And for good, or to your own misfortune, time and Erdogan will be shown.
    3. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 10 February 2016 20: 54 New
      0
      By bending the trunk accordingly?
    4. Stanislas
      Stanislas 10 February 2016 21: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Fire from the back of the hill, exposing only the top of the tower and the gun
      An old joke about a Jewish pistol with a bent barrel for firing from around the corner has a number of consequences.
    5. APASUS
      APASUS 10 February 2016 21: 29 New
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Firing from the back of the hill, exposing only the top of the tower and the cannon, is a long-standing successful reception for Israeli tankers. It cannot be that the Turks did not know him.

      What is their difference in height of 5-10 meters? winked
      Just take a ruler, draw a hill on paper and add the difference in height of the profile, set out nothing works laughing
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 11 February 2016 02: 23 New
        0
        The Israelis in the past and it turned out a fact!
    6. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 10 February 2016 22: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: voyaka uh
      About comparing tanks ... There is a small but important feature.
      T-90 - low profile, which is an important advantage in the lowlands, but the disadvantage is in the hilly. To shoot from a hill, the T-90 needs to completely roll out to its top.
      M-60 is quite tall. It is easier to knock him out on the plain, but if he has a significant lowering angle of the weapon, in hilly terrain, he is the "king". Firing from the opposite side of the hill, exposing only the top of the turret and the gun, is a long-standing success for Israeli tank crews. It cannot be that the Turks do not know him.

      The M-60 tank has an elevation angle of + 20 degrees, a declination angle of -10 degrees.
      The T-90 tank has an elevation angle of + 20 degrees, a declination angle of -16 degrees.
      For some reason, it seems to me that the T-90 tank can use the reverse hillside much more efficiently.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 11 February 2016 02: 51 New
        +1
        The T 90 cannon has an elevation and declination angle of + 13.47 / -6.13, and the values ​​you specified for sights when firing guided ammunition. hi
    7. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 11 February 2016 02: 22 New
      0
      There is such a chip that no one will send T 90 without air cover and providing intelligence. hi
  18. square
    square 10 February 2016 19: 08 New
    +3
    So they would also compare with Luxembourg. We would be really cool. In my opinion it is necessary to compare with NATO, suddenly what?
  19. Mercenary
    Mercenary 10 February 2016 19: 11 New
    +3
    It's a shame that all our equipment was torn up, and now they are analyzing with a smart look! am
  20. From Samara
    From Samara 10 February 2016 19: 26 New
    +1
    It’s time to understand that the Turks are full of frank trash. In terms of its economic capabilities, it will not be able to contain a well-equipped army. Plus, their national mentality differs little from the Arabian, and therefore warriors are worthless!
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 10 February 2016 23: 02 New
      +2
      their national mentality has little in common with Arabic or Persian, because they are Türks.
      and how, being worthless warriors, did they build their Ottoman empire?
      1. Seraphimamur
        Seraphimamur 11 February 2016 05: 07 New
        +3
        That’s why they rebuffed because they fought with the Arabs and suffered defeats from Russia.
  21. Balagan
    Balagan 10 February 2016 19: 37 New
    0
    Well, it’s not for nothing that the Chinese comrades eat bread. Take note.
  22. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 10 February 2016 19: 47 New
    +7
    The Chinese are handsome. We counted on their help, and they sit at home, draw figures, do weapons analysis. Here comes the second American aircraft carrier group, they will begin to unscrew the nipples for the adult Chinese, and here we are, with our analysis of Chinese weapons! :)
  23. UZBEK TASHKENT
    UZBEK TASHKENT 10 February 2016 20: 20 New
    +1
    What tanks gentlemen? Beat must be pointed and far. It is necessary to calibrate. In modern conditions, tank battles are generally a relic, but one that smells bad for about 50 years. A pointless waste of money and ammunition is all of these bombing. 100500 one caliber with delivery to Qatar or Saudi Arabia is hundreds of times cheaper than kerosene and bombs, and the result is much much more. IMHO all this operation was delayed, although it was possible to solve everything on that Caspian day. There is still a lot of stench in the press, and the more we are there the more it is, and so would the bainkis.
  24. Zeppelin ml.
    Zeppelin ml. 10 February 2016 20: 39 New
    +5
    It’s funny when Satanovsky writes about weapons. He, along the way, was generally given carte blanche - "always and about everything." Without exaggeration - the smartest person, but, you know, overkill with omniscience, as in the case of Wasserman) I myself am an admirer of "Pop Mechanics" (including Kuryokhinskaya laughing ), but not to the same extent neo-populists to honor, huh? IMHO, of course, but his senile theatricality on Vesti.FM warps somewhat.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 11 February 2016 09: 40 New
      +1
      It is not worth listening to his arguments on military-technical topics. And he guesses by political lines. And he knows the story.
  25. Mixweb
    Mixweb 10 February 2016 20: 56 New
    +4
    Why do the Chinese compare M60T and T-90? 2 and 3 generations, with the T-90 rather the third transitional generation. This is the same as the Soviet T-54/55 against Abrams.
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 11 February 2016 03: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Mixweb
      This is the same as the Soviet T-54/55 against Abrams.

      You underestimate the 55th ... laughing
      http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=58214
      1. Mixweb
        Mixweb 11 February 2016 15: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Wheel
        You underestimate the 55th ...
        http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=58214

        Here we are talking about the deep modernization of the T-55. In fact, a new tank based on the T-55. Soviet designers laid huge opportunities for modernization. And you won’t improve the M60 so much. The output will be the same tank, with only minor modifications. And the Romanian version of the T-55 M60T is not an opponent. Therefore, I compare the non-modernized version of the T-54/55 with the abrams. Although in any case, the Soviet / Russian tank school is the best in the world. smile
  26. mik6403
    mik6403 10 February 2016 21: 06 New
    0
    The Chinese have too many praises for even the deeply modernized equipment developed in the late 70s and early 80s in the USSR. With regards to the Tu-22M3, engines similar to the Tu-160 are installed there; otherwise the aircraft is outdated and expensive to operate. The only plus for the new EW developments, fortunately we are on top here.
  27. Castor oil
    Castor oil 10 February 2016 21: 54 New
    +1
    And what a positive such a Chinese assessment good and then "fseprapalo" yes "pro-salipolymers" ... ugh laughing
  28. Comrade Artem
    Comrade Artem 10 February 2016 22: 26 New
    +1
    Contracts, copying and espionage are all of course good (for the Chinese) probably. But since when did the opinion of Chinese experts become at least something meaningful ??? I seem to have amnesia ... and when is the PLA last time REALLY applied ???
    Damn, but how to change the flag?
  29. Diviz
    Diviz 10 February 2016 22: 34 New
    +1
    And why first news appears on warfiles and then is copied here. I read this article in the morning on warfiles
  30. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 10 February 2016 22: 51 New
    +1
    our planes are the most as always turned out in the article, but how did this affect the fact that the Turks shot him down? no way.
    The fact that we have good weapons does not need to be constantly written about, every day they trumpet all channels and websites. We need to learn how to use them correctly. Where was the cover for the shot down drying? Nowhere and the meaning of invincibility as it immediately faded into the background. What is the use of advantage if I'm sorry no one to cover the priest? more needs to be written about this and not about how strong, fast, agile and skillful we are.
  31. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 11 February 2016 04: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Baikonur
    Evgeny Yanovich always gives interesting layouts, but on this occasion vague doubts torment me:
    The actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria helped stop the collapse of statehood in the Middle East, marking the end of the "Arab spring"
    It seems to me that it is too early to put an end to "Arab Spring".
    Libya, Kurds, and Turkey may still explode!

    Libya has already collapsed, but the "Kurdish spring" seems to be still ahead.
  32. Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 February 2016 05: 42 New
    +1
    Well, it’s not necessary to send tanks against Turkish tanks.
    You can also show "Chrysanthemum-S". Or a TPRK based on the same "Tiger" is also possible.
    I am already silent about the things that aircraft and helicopters can carry.
    A tank is more of a highly mobile, well-protected sniper gun
  33. Wolka
    Wolka 11 February 2016 05: 59 New
    0
    such close attention to the actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria cannot be denied to the Chinese, what are they preparing for war, and it is possible that they will have to confront us in the Far East as part of the UN forcing peace in the event of a conflict over disputed islands. ..
  34. ydjin
    ydjin 11 February 2016 09: 02 New
    +1
    go you all in the ass
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 11 February 2016 11: 26 New
      0
      what, is that all? )))
      1. ydjin
        ydjin 11 February 2016 11: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: AdekvatNICK
        what, is that all? )))

        I sincerely apologize to all members of the forum, from my computer I wrote "You all go to f .... y" not me! One overgrown idiot took advantage of the fact that I was absent from the office, smeared this message! I'm ashamed of this idiot! recourse Although he is the husband of my director! Please do not blame me strictly! request I ask the moderators, delete the previous koment as if from my face!
  35. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 11 February 2016 10: 33 New
    0
    In vain you are so much about Chinese analysts, they have already learned a lot, both here and in the West, it’s time to listen to them on a number of issues.
  36. kig
    kig 11 February 2016 12: 02 New
    0
    Chinese experts, of course, are the most expert. All these paper comparisons mean nothing.
  37. Olfred
    Olfred 11 February 2016 12: 31 New
    +1
    article + definitely! interesting and intelligible, and yet Satanovsky himself wrote that he cannot but rejoice! more such articles. hi
  38. spravochnik
    spravochnik 11 February 2016 14: 31 New
    +1
    Air Force expert Song Xiaojun notes that the IL-20 is somewhat inferior to modern American aircraft in its technical capabilities, however, adoption IL-214R (two units are currently in operation) will allow for longer reconnaissance flights over the territory of Syria, and its equipment will also provide information on activities

    Sun. Actually, the plane is called Tu-214P.
  39. Ded176
    Ded176 11 February 2016 18: 23 New
    0
    Quote: cniza
    Such an interesting article, as a view from the outside and this is only part of the technique from the Russian side ... like the analysis is done by the Chinese, and Satanovsky writes, thanks.


    Satan is a competent and knowledgeable specialist. You can rely on his analysis.
  40. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 11 February 2016 18: 47 New
    0
    TTD weapons play an important role in hostilities. But until fully robotic systems are used, the decisive factor for victory will be the fortitude of the military using this technique.
    1. sevovv
      sevovv 12 February 2016 15: 24 New
      0
      without fortitude in any situation
  41. behemot
    behemot 11 February 2016 19: 09 New
    0
    pig pigs sold documentation for the Tu-22m3, I don’t know how true, but I won’t be surprised.
    These wretched mother will sell her native in a brothel for green papers.
  42. Olegi1
    Olegi1 11 February 2016 19: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Tol100v
    Quote: oleg-gr
    . Everything as usual.

    Everything is as usual, it is unlikely to work out. China has long been engaged in photocopying, outwardly - it looks like, but no more! Well, if the "most-most" cannot repeat the RD-180, then China for the next decade is possible, but one should not forget. Very persistent and stubborn guys! (Especially about stealing) Everything that they have copied lately is definitely inferior in quality and performance characteristics - to the ORIGINALS! Thanks to our engineers for the ability to hide know-how! After all, the PRC was never able, even close, to come close to either the accuracy or the power of our MLRS and air defense systems! This also applies to the rest of the nomenclature! So, thanks again to our scientists and engineers!


    It is definitely not necessary to be afraid of the Chinese in the near future ... I was there in their labs. Everything is beautiful, of course, in the sense of general cleanliness, everything is new, it makes an impression. Until you dig deeper into the processes. Everything is still very, very far away ... I can’t say that we have all the ice, but what I saw, for example, on Sukhoi, gives a feeling of our bright future. No details, sorry ...
    1. Winter cherry
      Winter cherry 12 February 2016 10: 00 New
      0
      I read that the Chinese still have one small, but so far insoluble problem, namely, they do not have technologies for the production of special types of steels and composites. These technologies are in the USA, some companies in Europe and in Russia, but they are kept in strict confidence. Therefore, their quality of weapons and engines is not very good.
  43. doework
    doework 12 February 2016 10: 24 New
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    Quote: Yuyuka
    The Chinese are actively using Lenin's behest - "Learn, Learn and Learn", adding the national "Tyrit, Tyrit and Tyrit"

    There is nothing wrong with that! Learn, swipe, try, make mistakes, start again and achieve ... This is our method! And this is normal, and right!
    As for successes in industrial / espionage, they are explained by 2 factors:
    - the sneakiness of spies (Chinese, Amerovsky, Russian, German, etc.);
    - the degree of corruption of information carriers, and, for us, the corrupt and incompetent officials.
    In any case, many countries (nations) that demonstrate a desire to get someone else's experience and make their own, demonstrate enviable dynamics, regardless of the presence / absence of natural resources.
  44. rubidiy
    rubidiy 12 February 2016 17: 42 New
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    well that's it. They threw their hats, you can go home. good
  45. VB
    VB 13 February 2016 10: 26 New
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    Satanovsky, as always, on top, bravo!