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How Russian Ukrainians? Analogy of betrayal

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It will be strange for someone to read it, someone will say, you stretch the Ukrainian yourself systematically and regularly. Yes it is. But I’m walking through the authorities, but still, the authorities and the people are different things.


And if you look, let's say, in historical terms, a very funny picture is drawn. And, if you look at Russia and Ukraine from the height of a historical bird's eye view, it turns out that the difference is not great. One, so to speak, kvass Mazan. And one substance.



Condemning and discussing the Maidan of the 2013 model of the year and all that followed, we often began to forget that the Maidanians themselves were in full. There was no such? And what about 1991 in Moscow? More like Maidan. And, unlike the Ukrainians, Maidan do not understand why. But against the USSR. And they successfully traded their past for free access to such benefits of Western civilization as jeans, chewing gums and used cars. Well, McDonald's.

What, I'm sorry, Ukrainians worse? We exchanged the USSR, they are the one, the Soviet Ukraine. The only question is that these events divided the whole 22 of the year. That is, our Ukrainians had two decades to look carefully and not repeat our mistakes of the 1993 and 1996 model. However, the food turned out not to be a horse, and at the beginning of the second decade of the 21 century, they didn’t bother with the crowd, they flooded the rake that blew our foreheads in the early nineties.

Well, what are they after this exclusives?

The only difference is that 20 has been occupied with something incomprehensible for years. His own. And in our direction did not look. And it would be necessary. Because everything that happens today in Ukraine is the most exact copy of what we had.

Decommunization? Ha! Yes car. What, we have not demolished monuments? Demolished, even as demolished. And certainly in greater numbers than in Ukraine. Just then no one paid so much attention to this. On the crest of universal democratization and the way to Europe or where else we were carried. Who needs an example - let them go to Lubyanka.

Well, about the occasional projects arising demolition of the mausoleum of Lenin just keep quiet. Not because I support or blame, just tired already.

Universal robbed, vouchers, CHIFs, mutual funds and stuff? The same. Only we have Chubais, and in Ukraine - Easter. And the result was about the same. Rich assailants, and who had nothing, remained with the same nothing. And so, that the Russian, that the Ukrainian, rushed, bouncing, in "MMM" and "Hopper-invest" approximately at the same speed.

Well, compare the alcoholic president Yeltsin and Poroshenko ... In general, look for 5 (10) differences. But no, our otzhigal abruptly. But the results were sadder.

I'm all for you what? And the fact that too often began to appear statements on the theme "Ukrainians traitors", "cut off gas and electricity," and so on. Well, tell me, and we ourselves strongly left them? Not really. Just rode in his time. All the difference is that it was earlier, and indeed, there is something to disable on occasion.

If Ukrainians are all traitors without exception, deserving the most negative attitude towards themselves, sort of "sitting right on the perch", not going to fight the criminals out of the government, let’s see for ourselves.

We did not cross out the past? We did not calm down our country? Oh yes, the criminal Yeltsin clique led by Chubais was demolishing, and we were all busy surviving. So Ukrainians behave in exactly the same way. Survive.

Here, at least kill, but I can not remember anywhere in the European part of Russia in 1993, the mass rallies and protests. Although, as in my opinion today, it was the most constitutional coup. And we saw the same thing in Kiev in 2014 year. And quite rightly responded. As taught already bitter experience.

Moreover, in 1996, also joyfully jumping, we chose Boriska for the kingdom a second time. Chosen? Elected. And held a referendum. "Yes, yes, no, yes," remember? Remember. "Vote or lose" remember? Remember. Voted, lost.

Is there something different in Ukraine? Did not notice.

What turns out, the Ukrainians, demolishing monuments and voting for outright scum and fascists - traitors, and we, doing about the same thing - no? Are we kinda smarter than steel?

Oh yeah. We have become smarter. We have been taught a lot of things that have passed over Ukraine in 20 years. Including two wars. Moreover, not very different from the Ukrainian civil. The residents of one country also fired at their own fellow citizens.

Nuances, say? Who was behind the creation of Ichkeria? Who wanted a total fire in the Caucasus?

THREE TIMES YES !!!

It was the nuances and different Chechen wars from the Donbass. And precisely because of these nuances, those who should have been victorious won. And that is why the world today, and the world tomorrow. And the Russian Caucasus, as a phenomenon, and not a branch of a caliphate.

But the Donbass is generally a special phenomenon in modern storiesthat Russian, that Ukrainian. The people of Donbass just made that step, which distinguishes them from the Russian of the 1993 model of the year and the Ukrainian of the 2013 model. But this is Donbass, and now it’s not about him.

The point is that people are basically the same, in Russia, in Ukraine. The same is not easy, but disastrous. And revenge views with different brooms is simply impossible. Here particulars begin wherever you look.

As an example, do you know who shot down the first Ukrainian aircraft? Just knocked down, and not a cross for it received? The fighters of one of the battalions, which we helped then. Doc and Wolf, father and son. From near Lvov. Zapadentsy. Traitors. The terrorists. And the fighters against fascism at the same time. And from a city that, even in the best of times, was not famous for loyalty, for it is nevertheless more Lemberg it than Lviv. But - the fact.

The fact that there are enough sober-minded but not active social people in Ukraine is also a fact. So we have such mountains. Divan online warriors. Survivors, couples on the web pages of the issuers, but no more. Also traitors? Well, you know, then every second here.

Are we smarter? Are we stronger than the truth? Again yes.

But this truth, where did it come from? Imagine that in these 20 years there would be no Solovyov, Mukhin, Starikov, Kiselev, Wasserman and many others who would not dig into our heads what we have today? Forgive me, judging by the ninetieth, no more Ukrainians would ride away. In the same swamp jumped and croaked.

Who was the main force of the Maidan? Those who are from 17 to 27. In fact, clean Ukrainians. Which our nineties zamorochki along the trousers were. But that all their adult life they dig, that all evil is from us. Shook. Here, we reap the benefits.

And those who were supposed to teach their minds were supposed to be busy. Survival. Do we have something else? Yes, a little differently. Our herd in this age group on the Maidan in the bulk will not go. It generally will not go anywhere. What happens is the maximum, repost will fight on the Internet. Passed in 2014. Exceptions? Yes there is. So I’ve seen Ukrainian exceptions in the Donbas too.

We are as equal as possible. It is impossible to judge all Ukrainians by the crowd of maydanuty thugs. It is impossible for Sobchak and Makarevich to judge all Russians. We are in the mass different from those and others. We sit, and often we sit on our perch rather smoothly. And the Ukrainians are sitting. And all survive. And someone screams loudly or high jumps. But because they did not take away Russian citizenship from Sobchak or Gaidar, they no longer became Russians. And less too. They are non-Russians, but with citizenship.

But we do not go out on the streets with the requirement to take and throw the same Nabiullina away from our border? In Ukraine they are not in a hurry for the same to the address of Valtsman or Yatsenyuk. Everything is fair, everything is the same to ugliness.

Yes, we are lucky in terms of Putin. Although many of us have recently started crying on the topic that everything is wrong, and Putin is not that, but this is for everyone. Now, if you look at it this way, then Putin is the only big difference between Ukraine and Russia. A sort of bonus to us. Many will object, and I will say this: I would have listened to you if Borisok had spent his entire term, and Ryzhi had put in his heirs. Where would you cry ... Well, somewhere and cry, I understand, without this, some can not live.

Russian, Ukrainian ... yes the same thing in principle. Everything is written from one sheet. And the mistakes are the same, and the ambition is the same. But we, unlike them, are not occupied. It is easier and easier for us. And harder at the same time.

Why have I started the whole conversation? And besides, it is easy to judge from our bell tower. We are all so right and so righteous. And they are very often ungrateful traitors. But gratitude is a bad thing ... it comes out badly.

In one recent article, I compared Ukraine to a madhouse where psychos seized power. And the rest of the mass continues to live and work, as if nothing had happened. Good comparison, most liked it. But keep the thought. No need to bomb this madhouse, no need to send special forces. We must wait for the time when the fact that the psychos have promised a normal one will disappear from their heads. Blood will be less.

You say that blood in the Donbas was and is? Yes. But Donbass, I repeat, the topic is separate. And I am one of those who still sincerely hope that sooner or later, but all those who are involved in blood in the Donbas will get what they deserve. That is, speaking in Russian, a rope. But on the Ukrainian Gilyak. And Ukrainian hands.

You can not blame the betrayal of all Ukrainians. You can not throw these words, you should not call for rotten breeding and all kinds of blackouts. Not every Ukrainian is maydanuty, and not every maydaun is a Ukrainian. There and our bottling enough organisms. And its in our understanding there is full.

Whoever declares publicly that the "Ukrainians are fed up," "the Ukrainians are traitors," first of all pours water on the junta's mill. But such shouts can not help the Russian world, but rather, on the contrary, it is possible to provide good, feasible assistance to the Ministry of Propaganda, which asserts that everyone in Russia is asleep and sees how to annoy Ukrainians.

Help is not necessarily gas and coal. Although I am glad that Putin does not want Egoza or Kars to freeze in the winter in unheated houses. Like hundreds of thousands of the same, just not familiar to me. It is good that our opinions on this issue coincide.

Help is also an understanding that we are exactly the same as they are. It's just that they are worse off now than us. But this is not a reason for gloating or something else. This is an occasion to simply support the way the elder brother should do, who has some of these problems behind. Here it is - in Russian.

That is the opinion turned out. About Russians who are Ukrainians, or about Ukrainians who are Russians. About us, in short. It is clear that the junta, entrenched in Kiev, is in no way affected. As well as her minions, in all sorts of "Azov" and "Dnieper".

But the fact that the triumph of the ideas of the Russian world is impossible without an understanding that there are people on both sides of the border with the same self-awareness is clear and clear to me. I would like for those in Russia who understand this to be more.

And the main thing is to stop seeing in every act of the authorities of Ukraine (and also Belarus, Kazakhstan and other countries) a betrayal by the people of this country.

Then we will definitely build our Russian world.
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  1. Glot
    Glot 10 February 2016 06: 49
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    But the fact that the triumph of the ideas of the Russian world is impossible without the understanding that people with the same self-identity are on both sides of the border is clear and understandable to me.


    I think it is no longer the same.
    Already with us, and with them entire generations of people have grown up with unequal self-awareness, goals, ideas, and attitudes towards each other. And these people will have their own children, whom they will raise in the same vein. And this gap will be exacerbated.
    When we had one Country, one ideas, values ​​and views, we were the ONE, albeit different in regional and national characteristics, but a single society. We were brought up like this from childhood, from school.
    In the 90s we split up and went our own ways. Each on its own. Yes, we have concluded and are concluding alliances that are mutually beneficial for a short or long period, but we are no longer united.
    It is possible to unite us, but for this something must go beyond. So far, nothing of the kind is foreseen.
    Alas, we are different. And day by day, month by month, and year by year, we move farther and farther apart.
    Individual people do not count, I am talking about community in general.
    1. Eragon
      Eragon 10 February 2016 06: 59
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      Quote: Glot
      I think it is no longer the same.
      Already with us, and with them entire generations of people have grown up with unequal self-awareness, goals, ideas, and attitudes towards each other.

      You judge very superficially. Absolutely not considering, for example, cultural unity, mentality. This is something that you will not drive into the head and you will not knock it out. These things at the subconscious level of an ethnic group take centuries to form and depend not on propaganda or ideas, but on a way of life. The Germans, too, at one time believed that they were the highest race. Very quickly they were convinced of this (although it was hard) and they again became ordinary European people, without ceasing to be Germans. The processes of persuasion-dissuasion + world war took 20 years.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 10 February 2016 08: 30
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        Quote: Eragon
        Absolutely not considering, for example, cultural unity, mentality. This is something that you can’t drive into the head

        Simply knock out and drive. Moreover, when the recipient himself does not oppose, but, on the contrary, in every possible way tries to contribute to the drive-in process.
        Quote: Eragon
        The Germans, too, at one time believed that they were the highest race. Very quickly they were convinced of this (although it was hard)

        Che, let’s start a world war to instill Ukrainians. For the denazification of the Germans, as it turned out, there was no other way.
        Quote: Eragon
        and they again became ordinary European people, without ceasing to be Germans.

        They became rags and impotent. However, like all other Western European peoples. The situation with Middle Eastern migrants has clearly proved this fact.
      2. Glot
        Glot 10 February 2016 08: 40
        +9
        You judge very superficially. Absolutely not considering, for example, cultural unity, mentality. This is something that you will not drive into the head and you will not knock it out. These things at the subconscious level of an ethnic group take centuries to form and depend not on propaganda or ideas, but on a way of life.


        Already knocked out everything and invested. Not ? Not noticeable in the relationship between nations? In my opinion, everything is obvious; not noticing it is wrong.
        Or do you want to act on a biblical principle, turning the other cheek? I personally pass.
        We forgave too much and too much, forgot, were good-natured.
        No, I do not wish them ill. I just get them ... from the high bell tower. They have chosen their own path again, and let them go "to a brighter future" along it.
        And I personally do not need to sing songs that de these are not peoples, it is governments that choose paths / roads.
        Over the past 25 years, I have looked at the attitude to MY COUNTRY in MY TERRITORY of former people of ONE COUNTRY who have now become INDEPENDENT. And I saw this attitude, for the most part negative, even hated sometimes. And not only from nEzalezhnye, but also from others.
        No, I don’t argue there are still PEOPLE who REMEMBER THE PAST, who, appreciating it, value both Russia and Russians, but I have met others more and have a different attitude.
        But on the basis of all this, I drew conclusions for myself. They are mine, personal and not imposed on anyone in any way. But to convince me of them is already extremely difficult. And I do not believe in some kind of common future, common ethnos. I believe in mutually beneficial cooperation, in mutual assistance if anything (not God), but I also believe. And then, I think the revenue will be mutually beneficial. But in some hypothetical "common Russian world" not. Not anymore. Alas.
        Although God forbid that I was wrong ...
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      4. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 10 February 2016 09: 03
        +4
        Video topic:

      5. g1v2
        g1v2 10 February 2016 11: 56
        +3
        More than 40 million Russian people from several branches of our people live in Ukraine - Russians, Little Russians, Ruthenians and Galicians. AND EXCEPT GALICHIANS, THEY DO NOT DIFFERENT FROM MOST VISITORS OF OUR SITE. Just as Svidomo in embroidery does not differ from his fellow Russian nationalist. And everything that happens on dill we already had. The only difference is that Ukraine is Russia before Putin. This is what would be if not for him. Therefore, hating Ukrainians is stupid - they are exactly the same as us, but on a different stretch of history. We all went through this, but they are not yet and not the fact that they will pass without our help. hi
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 12 February 2016 12: 08
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          I agree with you in many ways.
          Just with the collapse of the USSR, in Ukraine there were no leaders who were able to hold the foundations.
          The types and types of troops that founded and supplemented sovereignty were destroyed: nuclear weapons, elements of a nuclear triad in the form of the Air Force, etc.
          The article is very clear and EXTREMELY true that there are many people in Ukraine who started to think or did not stop thinking CORRECTLY. I often meet such people, I always communicate with taxi drivers, because they meet many different people and their opinions are always interesting. It goes without saying that you don't make conclusions in their opinion about, say, the constitution, but the statistics become clear. They are simply busy "surviving". Basically all the media work on Kiev, i.e. where there is still a semblance of life. My work is full of full of complete idiots who take 7-mile steps of 3.14 D DOÜT to Europe, but this percentage of the total mass is minimal. I have said hundreds of times: "go out and look at the outback, where I often visit and you will see how Ukraine really lives."

          I also wanted to note the following in the article:
          But here we, unlike them, are not occupied. It’s easier and easier for us. And harder at the same time.

          this is a mistake unfortunately.
          The Russian Federation is also occupied, the degree is different, but the fact does not cancel.
          The Russian Federation is full of evil spirits in the upper echelons of power, which is in the service of the enemy, which does EVERYTHING to ruin the country.

          I really hope that it will be possible to collect the fragments of the RUSSIAN WORLD together!
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    3. bocsman
      bocsman 10 February 2016 08: 47
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      I want to add . But how many in Russia knew what was happening in Ukraine? And what did the government and the media do about this? It now went films, articles on history and more. But not too late ?! In this regard, I do not share the optimism of the author that the people will see clearly. Heralds of truth were in Ukraine, but someone was killed, someone was crippled. Well does not give esessovets
      speak freely to people. As it turned out in Europe with freedom of speech, it’s not at all what the media and politicians portray. And more recently, he talked with relatives from Kiev, painted the delights of European life in Latvia. Surprise and disappointment from the prospect that awaits them in Europe. And this is not 17-27 years, but over fifty, and they have the Internet, but somehow those who hold power have blurred the truth. But what I agree with the author is that the people of Ukraine, for the most part, are not the enemy, for now.
    4. satris
      satris 10 February 2016 10: 47
      -3
      In 1917, they also "took a different path." Mayakovsky called for "to throw Pushkin off the ship of our time." So what? And Mayakovsky remained, and Pushkin, and even added - they remembered those who were hushed up in the Soviet years. Where are we going? Even if somewhere someone creates something similar in meaning to Pushkin and Mayakovsky (let's not contradict Occam), he will still "stand on the shoulders of these giants." And where can you go somewhere? Look, Europe has moved towards homophilia and pedophilia - and where has it come? So, in general, all earthlings have one path. The roads may be different.
    5. SveTok
      SveTok 10 February 2016 13: 57
      -2
      The custom-made article is clearly visible by drooling hungry supplies from NATO and the State Department, the one common thing they wanted to shake was Russia, but it didn’t work out with Ukraine either, because Kiev and Ukraine are not the same thing.
      1. Andkor1962
        Andkor1962 10 February 2016 15: 12
        +3
        Hello! I read your koment and did not understand anything that they wanted to say.
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 10 February 2016 21: 08
      +4
      Without Russia, Ukraine will never become a sovereign state, but only a colony. It was already doomed when Kuchma proclaimed Ukrainian separatism. For too long they held on the umbilical cord with Russia. Now it will take another half a century to dislodge the anti-Russian nationalist attitude, which in essence is their state ideology. It seems that the world will not succeed there.
    7. Mona kisa
      Mona kisa 24 July 2016 10: 25
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      Quote: Glot
      Already with us, and with them entire generations of people have grown up with unequal self-awareness, goals, ideas, and attitudes towards each other. And these people will have their own children, whom they will raise in the same vein.

      This is true - Russophobia, Banderism and livelihood became the essence of many ukrov.

      Skomorokhov writes a lot of things correctly, BUT
      But he in a sauce of truthful things, he lies a lie - supposedly
      “Including two wars. Moreover, not very different from the Ukrainian civil one. Residents of one country also shot at their own fellow citizens.
      Nuances, say? Who was behind the creation of Ichkeria? Who wanted a total fire in the Caucasus? "
      There is nothing in common between Chechnya and the Donbass.
      In Chechnya, they began to incite ethnic and religious hatred from outside, specially created a situation that provoked a war without meaning, just to confront it until it was completely destroyed. The first Chechen war began with ethnic cleansing of the non-Chechen population in Chechnya, and then Islamic princes-idiots appeared from nowhere, quickly making a criminal, gang sub-state out of Chechnya.
      All types of criminal activity flourished in Chechnya, hostage-taking and the slave trade, robbery and fraud, ...


      In the Donbass, people consciously did not want to accept the power of the Bandera-State Department of the junta, which came to power through a violent coup. And, as time has shown, ALL other citizens of Ukraine are now also against SUCH power. But the opinion of ordinary people junta do not care.

      Whoever has at least a bit of reason can understand the difference.
  2. Good cat
    Good cat 10 February 2016 06: 51
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    Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are one people, and the problems are the same and they need to be solved together!
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    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 10 February 2016 08: 33
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      Quote: Good cat
      Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are one people, and the problems are the same and they need to be solved together!

      I suggest you with such a poster go to the central square of Lviv or, even, Kiev. Then tell us about your impressions.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 10 February 2016 13: 01
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        I suggest you with such a poster go to the central square of Lviv or, even, Kiev. Then tell us about your impressions.


        There are a lot of aggressive hoopoes that can knock on turnips in this case. But this does not mean that they are in the majority. Just a normal person will pass by. Maybe he will nod approvingly, but they will not get into a fight until they find the same frostbitten one, but on the other hand, who shouts, "Russians are beaten" and then ... it will be possible to say for sure that Ukraine is like Russia!
        1. liuk gud
          liuk gud 15 February 2016 03: 40
          +1
          It’s immediately obvious that you have no idea about the population of Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, etc. There even before 2004 it was risky. And now - this is a way of suicide.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 February 2016 06: 52
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    stop seeing in every act of the authorities of Ukraine (as well as Belarus, Kazakhstan and other countries) betrayal by the people of this country.

    First, we see the betrayal on the part of a handful of local politicians, fed by the West and merged with the Nazis. But this betrayal of a handful gradually, over 25 years, grew into a complete intoxication of the Ukrainian people with an instillation of hatred for everything Russian. And now most of the so-called. Ukrainian people are inseparable from their power and national-fascist ideas. Who rides in squares with obscene slogans? Who is killing their population in the Donbass? Politicians sit in Kiev, and everything is done by the hands of those who consider themselves "true Ukrainian". It's my personal opinion.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 10 February 2016 08: 20
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      It's my personal opinion.

      I absolutely agree with you
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Politicians sit in Kiev, and everything is done by the hands of those who consider themselves "true Ukrainians"

      And here lies the most terrible thing - ethnic Russians who accept nationalist anti-Russian ideology begin to consider themselves "true Ukrainians". Who, in the main, participates in the ATO as part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (we do not take all sorts of good soldiers, namely the army)? You will be surprised that the inhabitants of western Ukraine are a minority there - mainly the Central and Eastern regions of the country. In the past they were quite pro-Russian.
      Oh yes, I forgot, now our hohlolyubi will scream - "They are forcibly mobilized!" Oh well..
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 10 February 2016 12: 51
        +3
        "true Ukrainians" ethnic Russians begin to consider themselves, who adopt a nationalist anti-Russian ideology.

        You are completely right, that's why I quoted it.
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 10 February 2016 13: 02
        +5
        Guys .. stop .. two examples from personal life (those who wish can read it as a joke):

        - the beginning of the Maidan, I have a classmate on the phone, I call - "Aleska, WHAT are you doing there ??" - "We are fighting for freedom" ..

        Okay .. she’s 62-th, like me .. adult, like, girl ..

        Call from Zaparizhyay: "Rum, why did you attack us?"

        - Who is this?
        - Lenka .. Rubel, MISiS ..
        - small, are you ??? (she’s five years younger than me .. I took her hand around Moscow when the child arrived there only ..)
        - You attacked us .. I: "Lyon, I personally did not attack anyone. And on you - so much the whiter .."

        - the page in Odnoklassniki is missing (I never keep this crap at all .. Lenka had it, and suddenly disappeared)
        - she has two sons and a daughter .. and for some reason I don’t envy her .. thoughts wander .. bad around.

        Dixi

        (further mat prohibited on the site)
      3. Goauld_Baal
        Goauld_Baal 10 February 2016 19: 46
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        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: rotmistr60
        It's my personal opinion.

        I absolutely agree with you
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Politicians sit in Kiev, and everything is done by the hands of those who consider themselves "true Ukrainians"

        And here lies the most terrible thing - ethnic Russians who accept nationalist anti-Russian ideology begin to consider themselves "true Ukrainians". Who, in the main, participates in the ATO as part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (we do not take all sorts of good soldiers, namely the army)? You will be surprised that the inhabitants of western Ukraine are a minority there - mainly the Central and Eastern regions of the country. In the past they were quite pro-Russian.
        Oh yes, I forgot, now our hohlolyubi will scream - "They are forcibly mobilized!" Oh well..

        As a citizen of Ukraine, I confirm your words. Volunteers of Zaporozhye are mainly fighting against Donbass - ethnic Russians in the overwhelming majority. But why the Russians do not want "Russian mira" This is a question for you, dear forum users from the Russian Federation.
    2. jktu66
      jktu66 11 February 2016 00: 22
      +1
      Residents of 404 countries have something to remember about the numerous fellow countrymen traitors of Russia over the past 250 years, unlike the Russians, all of these 250 years who have mostly tried to understand and help. This is what makes us different. For example, the Soviet era I have heard more than once about the outskirts, feeding the whole union and robbed to the skin guess who. His wife’s grandfather spoke about 1941 and the mass surrender of this ethnos, which he did not call traitors otherwise. So the last 25 years - this is only the rooting of centuries.
    3. liuk gud
      liuk gud 15 February 2016 03: 43
      +1
      I came to western Ukraine in 1985 - there was already hatred of everything Russian. But then it was not state. politics.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 February 2016 07: 01
    +6
    Not a reason for gloating. I agree. In general, the word-gloating is the same to rejoice in evil! Bad feeling. It does not lead to progress and prosperity.
  5. Hope1960
    Hope1960 10 February 2016 07: 02
    +3
    The elder brother spanks the naughty youngest, drives him home from the yard and puts a bully hooligan on his neck, which made the baby carry father’s cigarettes (and maybe money). The youngest will be offended, he will fight with the elder, but for his own good in the corner he will think. And again there will be peace in the family! Actors: the elder brother is Russia, the younger is Ukraine, the hooligan is the USA. The curtain.
  6. Oldish
    Oldish 10 February 2016 07: 02
    +7
    We are as equal as possible. It is impossible to judge all Ukrainians by the crowd of maidan scumbags.


    Thanks to the author.
  7. pts-m
    pts-m 10 February 2016 07: 03
    +6
    Looks like the author of the article is so clever that he draws conclusions after more than twenty years after the collapse of the USSR. And if you ask him a question ... then he himself foresaw all these events, or he just saw his sight ... As they say ... after a fight, he’s not fucking waving his hands. Wise guy damn it.
    1. Mantykora
      Mantykora 10 February 2016 08: 58
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      Well, I foresaw the events in Ukraine back in 2010. Then, twice already, the country split sharply according to election preferences: in 2004, the Maidan 1.0 and 2010 between Yulia and Yanukovych; such a quiet Maidan.

      The only thing I didn’t expect was that in choosing between money and power, Yanuca chose money. Well, having power, you can return both money and "legitimacy." Well, in general, foresaw - and sense? Only because I know history well, although I studied in Ukraine, my first textbooks were Soviet. But it is not enough to foresee, one must have the power to change it ...

      Thanks to the author, a good and correct article, otherwise the shouts of "Ukrainians are traitors" and stuff like that only play into the hands of our common enemy. The only difference is that the enemy is already in Little Russia, which by the grace of the Bolsheviks is called Ukraine. He destroys our monuments, renames our streets, writes our laws, gets into the heads of our children and "adults" too. And Little Russia is losing, because we oppose this one by one, and we are under pressure systematically and for a very long time. Complete analogy with the polonization and catholicization of the southern Russian lands in the XV-XVII centuries. And there is no need to remember the war of 1648-1654, about the Cossacks - these are ordinary bandits, pirates who took everything that lay badly and spit on faith, their top wanted to live well - like the Polish gentry, and ordinary Cossacks would be thrown as usual. In principle, it all happened ...
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 10 February 2016 13: 05
        +5
        But it’s not enough to foresee, one must have the power to change this ...


        Well, Strelkov, Mozgovoy, Motorola and others succeeded. It's not about power, but an active life position. And ... or outside support. One in the field is not a warrior, but if we do not look back and see others around us, then each will consider himself "one".
    2. vvv-73
      vvv-73 10 February 2016 16: 28
      +2
      Anyway, all this crap in Moscow was mutilating, nobody asked us - the regions. Woke up already in another country. And the people, by the way, were against the collapse of the USSR. They explained it to us - well, yes, now different countries, not republics, but everything will remain as before. And we, Soviet people, were so gullible, they believed everything that they said on the box. It took the 90s for this credulity to fly out of us, so much so that now we don’t believe anything at all.
  8. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 10 February 2016 07: 04
    +9
    I have long believed that we have not gone far from Ukraine, have we become a little wiser. So, if we laugh at them, then automatically and at ourselves, too. The head must be thought, not in other places.
    1. Fat
      Fat 10 February 2016 11: 23
      -1
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      I have long believed that we have not gone far from Ukraine, have we become a little wiser. So, if we laugh at them, then automatically and at ourselves

      I agree with you. What was happening in Kiev at the end of 2013 hit the brain with a parallel with Moscow in October 1993. It did not laugh at all, rather strained by its similarity. It's like deja vu ... What is happening now in / in Ukraine was already guessed at that time, and I am terribly glad that the federation after 93 did not "stratify" like Ukraine does now.
  9. BecmepH
    BecmepH 10 February 2016 07: 05
    13
    So what happens, Ukrainians, demolishing monuments and voting for outright scumbags and fascists are traitors, and we, who were doing about the same thing, no? Are we kind of smarter than that?

    The difference is that the Ukrainians blame "mo scaly" for everything, and we did not blame them at that time. And because of this difference, it is incorrect (to put it mildly) to compare our countries. If we approach this issue in this way, then in any state the "pattern" of unrest is the same. The novel surprised me with this article ... As if he did not write.
    1. activator
      activator 10 February 2016 09: 42
      +3
      Quote: BecmepH
      The difference is that the Ukrainians blame "mo scaly" for everything, but we did not blame them at that time. And because of this difference, it is incorrect (to put it mildly) to compare our

      Well, America is blamed in Russia, Moldovans do not blame us either.
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 10 February 2016 12: 21
      +5
      The difference is that the Ukrainians blame "mo scaly" for everything, and we did not blame them at that time. And because of this difference, it is incorrect (to put it mildly) to compare our countries
      --- and we didn’t burn anyone in the Houses of Provinces, we did not spit curses and poison in the trail of the outgoing Ukraine in the Baltic States, Central Asia ,,,,,, we did not raise our children in hatred of everyone around us. We did not demand from on the contrary, we took upon ourselves all the debts of the former Union and in return left for free the great legacy that Ukraine managed to clean up ... # We didn’t go torchlight processions, did not give the Hero of Russia to Vlasov and the hedgehog with him .. ......

      And no need to compare New Russia and Chechnya, to put it mildly, this is not correct.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 10 February 2016 13: 10
        -2
        --- And we didn’t burn anyone in the Houses of Provinces, we did not spit curses and poison in the trail of the outgoing Ukraine in the Baltic States, Central Asia ,,,,,, we did not raise our children in hatred of everyone around us.


        Yes, it was all. Little did the bandits burn people when the "commerce" was burned? And there, after all, both stalls and large office buildings were on fire and farmsteads. Little has been said about the "freeloaders" that we got rid of with the collapse of the Soviet Union? Isn't the formula of capitalism "you die today, and I - tomorrow", if this is not hatred of others? Or nothing personal, just business?
    3. 72jora72
      72jora72 10 February 2016 12: 21
      +3
      The difference is that the Ukrainians blame "mo scaly" for everything, and we did not blame them at that time. And because of this difference, it is incorrect (to put it mildly) to compare our countries
      --- and we didn’t burn anyone in the Houses of Provinces, we did not spit curses and poison in the trail of the outgoing Ukraine in the Baltic States, Central Asia ,,,,,, we did not raise our children in hatred of everyone around us. We did not demand from on the contrary, we took upon ourselves all the debts of the former Union and in return left for free the great legacy that Ukraine managed to clean up ... # We didn’t go torchlight processions, did not give the Hero of Russia to Vlasov and the hedgehog with him .. ......

      And no need to compare New Russia and Chechnya, to put it mildly, this is not correct.
    4. jktu66
      jktu66 11 February 2016 00: 34
      +2
      And somehow I am surprised and annoyed. The comparison is not good, for these years we have been boiling in our boiler, and with Ukraine - shame for the disgrace to the whole ball.
  10. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 10 February 2016 07: 06
    +6
    Everything seems to be correct.
    But only: any help to the junta is an extension of its agony. At least for a day, but it will last longer. And this means the possible, and simply inevitable, death of tens or even hundreds of normal and adequate people. Both in New Russia and in Ukraine itself. In the Donbass, they will be shot from guns, and in Ukraine, rot and rot in prisons.
    Help should go only to fighters with the Nazi junta.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 10 February 2016 13: 12
      +3
      But only: any help to the junta is an extension of its agony.


      The junta will agonize just as much until it is either thrown by Western sponsors or the Kremlin cuts it out. By themselves, they will not die off and the Ukrainians themselves will not dump them, just as we did not dump EBNya.
  11. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 February 2016 07: 06
    +1
    Why compare who is better and who is worse? One must live in peace. We have increased our enemies, and we must fight them.
  12. xorgi
    xorgi 10 February 2016 07: 17
    14
    There is one difference: Odessa. I do not remember that in Russia the Yeltsin period, ordinary people massively mocked the innocently killed. Maybe someone will correct me.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 10 February 2016 12: 31
      0
      Quote: xorgi
      I do not remember that in Russia the Yeltsin period, ordinary people massively mocked the innocently killed.

      But the simple ones did not mock. Radicals mocked. Specially assembled at the right time in the right place. And in Russia, I remember the authorities also shot the rebels from the tanks. Directly in the middle of Moscow. And the White House was burning, and there were people inside.
      1. xorgi
        xorgi 10 February 2016 13: 16
        +2
        Firstly, everyone saw how ordinary Ukrainians reacted to the events in Odessa according to comments on social networks. Further, it so happened that my family had many friends in Ukraine, of various age groups. After the Odessa events in personal conversations, almost no one regretted the dead people.
        Secondly, in the White House there were no ordinary people, either endowed with power or their minions.
      2. xorgi
        xorgi 10 February 2016 13: 25
        +5
        In vain you, dear revnagan, compare the shooting of the White House and the Odessa events. In the first case, it is a struggle for power, in Ukraine it was so during the confrontation with "Berkut", now there is a confrontation with Donetsk and Lugansk. This is certainly bad, this is wrong, but it can be understood, at least some kind of excuse can be found. There is no excuse for what happened in Odessa. You can kill an enemy, but you can never mock his body, and you can never beat, kill and abuse a pregnant woman. After Odessa, for me there is no country like Ukraine.
  13. inkass_98
    inkass_98 10 February 2016 07: 18
    +7
    we often began to forget that they themselves maidanil in full.

    Roman, don’t row all under one comb. Not all and not everywhere Maidan against the USSR. Personally, I don’t remember this.
    And I prefer to draw all other conclusions about someone's actions on the basis of what I see, and not on the advice of "friends".
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 February 2016 07: 20
    11
    Rogers recently wrote similar.
    Well, it’s probably correctly spelled, although the attitude towards the Ukrainians as a fraternal people,
    which you can trust your back, no longer return.
    I think that further there will still be a cooling of relations.
    And in the best case, Ukraine will be for us a neutral European country, such as Serbia.
  15. tsvetkov1274
    tsvetkov1274 10 February 2016 07: 25
    +8
    Comparison of Donbass and Chechnya is not appropriate .. Pensions were always paid, blockades were not arranged .. They didn’t shell cities with MLRS !!!!
    1. Shurale
      Shurale 10 February 2016 08: 48
      0
      The Russian leadership arranged Chechnya to distract people from the terrible changes that were taking place at the top at that time. But the problem was in the coffins, the people could not endure this for a long time. But a small war, which people would strongly empathize with, but at the same time on the territory of a neighboring state, is aerobatics. Distraction, “fighting for a just cause,” and no coffins - the perfect show.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 10 February 2016 13: 14
      -3
      Comparison of Donbass and Chechnya is not appropriate .. Pensions were always paid, blockades were not arranged .. They didn’t shell cities with MLRS !!!!


      And what's worse, where the destruction is stronger, the Terrible 95 or Donetsk 2015?
  16. warriordima
    warriordima 10 February 2016 07: 36
    -3
    Correct article, I think so too.
  17. parusnik
    parusnik 10 February 2016 07: 36
    +7
    Well, at least kill, but I can’t remember anywhere in the European part of Russia in 1993 mass rallies and protests.... That's right .. I will add .. assault, pure "performance" .. in that sense .. two opposing sides .. and around "spectators" and moreover many times more that the White House has on opposite sides of the barricades .. the performance came ... with shooting, explosions and blood ... I wonder why the "performance" about the "war" will end ..
  18. Flinky
    Flinky 10 February 2016 07: 38
    +9
    In the 91st, we did not exchange the past, but the future prosralized. And the rest is right.
  19. engineer
    engineer 10 February 2016 07: 52
    16
    the difference is huge. we blamed the Communist Party and the leadership. not some nationalities. and they have a yak on gilyaka and Russians are to blame for everything since the time of the kings. not Lithuania. not Poland and not Austria-Hungary, etc. this is the difference. so that the modern youth of Ukraine (and hence its future) is poisoned by Nazism and this is not a fraternal people. the author is wrong.
    1. svoi
      svoi 10 February 2016 12: 03
      +3
      I completely agree, I’ll add the gas will be cut off when we build an alternative transit and not at all for betrayal, the reason will be more banal ...
  20. Riv
    Riv 10 February 2016 07: 58
    -8
    Yeltsin should not be compared with Poroshenko, but with Yanukovych. It will be more accurate. But the comparison will not be in favor of the latter. And let EBN forgive half the sins in the other world for the fact that he dispersed the Khasbulatov’s Kodla with tank guns.
  21. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 10 February 2016 08: 04
    +2
    "... Nuances, say? .." Exactly! Nuances. And the devil, as you know, hides in the little things.
  22. Belousov
    Belousov 10 February 2016 08: 05
    +6
    I wanted to put a minus to the article, but here's the phrase "It was in the nuances that the Chechen wars differed from the Donbas. And it is thanks to these nuances that those who were supposed to win won. And that is why the world today and the world tomorrow. And the Russian Caucasus, as a phenomenon, and not a branch of some caliphate. "made her remove her finger from the button. Where is the Russian Caucasus? Where have you seen a Russian in Chechnya, Dagestan? They were frankly cut out there, cut out and squeezed out, but everyone is silent about this. http://topwar.ru/5288-sledovateli-iz-chechni-razyskivayut-russkih-soldat.html They take revenge on the soldiers who carried out the order. There is no need to talk about the dominance of the Caucasian national groups in the whole country. So the question is Russian Caucasus or Caucasian Russia?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 February 2016 09: 31
      +2
      Quote: Belousov
      So the question is Russian Caucasus or Caucasian Russia?

      Video on Budanov for Kadyrov's "amateurs" -
      1. Riv
        Riv 10 February 2016 10: 55
        -4
        And is this exactly Kadyrov? Che in the face is not very similar.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 10 February 2016 13: 22
        +1
        What do you want? Kadyrov is a real savage, a barbarian. As a barbarian, he is cruel and lacks moral constraints. But as a savage he is honest, because cunning and betrayal are two different things. And if the former is characteristic of savages, then they have not yet been trained in the latter. It comes with being civilized. And if Kadyrov said that he is Putin's infantryman, then I believe him. And if he says that he will "break for Russia," then I also believe him. But not because he suddenly fell in love with Russia and the Russians, but because the GDP ordered so. For him, Russia is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. How he took it, I do not know, but taming such a wolf is very expensive.
  23. CONTROL
    CONTROL 10 February 2016 08: 06
    +4
    the triumph of the ideas of the Russian world is impossible without understanding that there are people with the same self-awareness on both sides of the border, it is clear and understandable to me. I would like to understand this in Russia as well.
    I wonder where this "one and the same self-awareness" goes to the so-called. "refugees" from Ukraine, who buy up on state conditions in shops and markets: - furniture, - household appliances, - auto parts, - clothes from those that are more expensive ... and te te? Tired of looking at it! and Kamazami are not sent to the next street and not to the "barracks" in which the mischievous "huddle" ... but straight there, to the "square"! ...
    Ah, if only those notorious "20 years" of post-perestroika were the only thing! As an old man - I know what THEY are worth, and when IT started! not 20 or 30 years ago ... much earlier!
    ... It has always been for me personally (extremely Russian and mentally, and genetically, and ... and ...) easier to find a common language with: Buryats ... Kazakhs and Kyrgyz ... Uzbeks ... Caucasians ... and etc., than with "spiritually and culturally close" Ukrainians - despite the fact that we are with them - almost the same thing! this "almost" is too big ...
    But the fact that the roots and origins of the "Maidans" are the same here and there, the author is right; well, no wonder!
    James Moore | Financial times
    Chance for Putin
    On the website of The Financial Times, a post has been posted on the post of former Assistant Secretary of the US Economy James Moore, in which he advises President Putin on how to reform the Russian economy.
    Moore begins by explaining what he has to do with the Russian economy: “In the spring of 1987, I flew to Moscow with a team of several dozen American officials to negotiate what was to be the last economic agreement between the United States and the Soviet Union. in reality, in a sense, it turned into a schematic plan for solving the problem of privatizing the Russian economic system under the then Secretary General of the Soviet Socialist Republics (sic. - Ed.) Mikhail Gorbachev. In a few days, the Soviet and American teams studied most sectors of the economy - from the sphere finance and tourism to legal structures and industry. Although our approach was far from perfect, we laid the foundations that, along with perestroika and publicity, have allowed Russia to flourish for over 25 years. "

    Then the author turns to today's problems of the Russian economy and mentions the government's plans for the partial privatization of state assets, such as Sberbank and Rosneft. .
    Russia should take care of domestic entrepreneurs, the author advises. "Russia is full of talent", but because of the unfavorable investment climate and the colossal price that one has to pay to start a business, they are leaking to foreign markets, "where their fresh ideas become the growth drivers of the European Union." To combat this, it would be useful for Russia to get rid of "sanctions, both external and internal," the former official is convinced.
    ... In conclusion, he writes: "Communism has outlived its obsolete. The oil era is over. What awaits Russia next? To form a prosperous economy, built on a solid system and the creativity of the Russian people, is in the power of Putin ...
    Source: Financial Times February 9, 2016
  24. CONTROL
    CONTROL 10 February 2016 08: 10
    +2
    / continued /
    ... the same "landings" ... the same "cookies" ... even if in Russia they were "burgers" or "Bush's legs" ...
  25. drop
    drop 10 February 2016 08: 11
    +3
    Thanks to the author. He set out everything correctly, but what is our next plan? I have the honor.
  26. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 10 February 2016 08: 14
    +5
    I have been waiting for a similar article on these pages for a long time. Finally waited. Correct thought. Perhaps there in the south are not "Ukrainians", but still ours. And the elder will explain by his own example what can happen and what should not be done - it will help.
  27. V.ic
    V.ic 10 February 2016 08: 15
    +6
    In his comments on this resource, he always spoke about the identity of the Moscow "Maidan" of 1991 and the Kiev "Maidan" of 2014. The directors are the same and the results are comparable. Perhaps there were fewer ritual victims in our case, but at the second stage, in October 1993, the puppeteers recouped for the unselected sacrifices to Moloch named CAPITALISM. It is simply an obvious fact that the revolution is made by idealists, and the villains (under him) are using its fruits. The current kuevskaya vlada, shedding the blood of the Russian population, "ukraine" are the same /pod.on.ki/ as well as the regime of an alcoholic! Elson, who spurred on the Chechen massacre.
  28. Georgey
    Georgey 10 February 2016 08: 24
    +3
    Envy among zapadentsev unmeasured. Even compared to the people of Kiev.
  29. Shurale
    Shurale 10 February 2016 08: 29
    -1
    The only difference is that for 20 years they were busy with something incomprehensible there. His own.

    What is it about? The leadership, like our leadership, was engaged in plundering the country, and people, like our people, were engaged in survival. And Russia "engaged" in the fight against corruption and Ukraine. Only now Russia did not need to unite with anyone to fight corruption, and Ukraine wanted to join some thread of a large community to fight it. And now answer me - with whom it was better for Ukraine to unite to fight corruption - with Russia or with Europe. I think the answer is so obvious that it doesn't even need an explanation. We ourselves pushed Ukraine away along this path. And now we declare them traitors. How is Krylov doing?

    Monkey, in the Mirror, seeing his image,
    Silently bear a sense of foot:
    "Look, - he says, - my dear kum!
    What is this face?
    What are her grimaces and jumps!
    I would hang back with anguish,
    Whenever she ever looked like her.
    But, admit, there is
    From my gossips of such krivlyak five or six:
    I can even count them on my fingers. "
    "Than the gossips count to work,
    Isn't it better to turn on yourself, godfather? "-
    She answered Mishka.
    But Mishenkin's advice just vanished.
  30. IgorH
    IgorH 10 February 2016 08: 30
    +2
    As the author's analogies do not have my understanding. Something is not remembered in the 91st Nazi symbols and accusations of all the sins of Ukrainians.
    1. Irbenwolf
      Irbenwolf 10 February 2016 09: 10
      +6
      There was a charge of all sins - scoops. There were imperial banners - at that time, under that ideology, almost the same thing. And characteristically, no one was surprised at where they came from.
  31. IrOqUoIs
    IrOqUoIs 10 February 2016 09: 11
    +4
    I agree with the Author.
    Ukraine is a mirror of Russia. It reflects both our reflection and what cannot be done at all. Until the age of seven, he went to Druzhkovka with his father every summer, and this was a happy time. He came home and spoke like the Donetsk people, Mother frowned, but understood. All my father’s relatives are there, in Druzhkov’s land - thank God they did not live up to this terrible time, since there was no difference for them - We were one people.
    Lord, they dragged such a country ...
  32. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 10 February 2016 09: 19
    +5
    Thank. The author expressed what has been latently ripening in my soul for a long time. And further. The course of development of society and history has its own laws. And all of them pass sooner or later, in one form or another. Especially in such similar ones as ours and Ukrainian society. Here I am close to the Marxist-Leninist theory of the change of economic formations. It was ridiculous to see at one time how the same Mongolia was being pulled into socialism by their semi-feudal society. Capitalism must mature and go over to socialism. Democracy must be suffered and accepted by society as a whole, above all from below, and not imposed from outside, as the states are trying to do.
  33. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 10 February 2016 09: 27
    +2
    Personally, I believe that in the author’s point of view there is a rational kernel, but nevertheless there is a general difference between us and it is difficult to miss it. Following the message that we once acted exactly like Ukraine now, the author forgets that we did not go to drown in the blood, for example, of Crimea and Donbass. Although even then the departure of these territories was not desirable for us.
    1. Mantykora
      Mantykora 10 February 2016 09: 49
      12
      You forget one thing - at the beginning of the "independence" of all the republics of the USSR, including the RSFSR, there was one puppeteer - it was necessary to quietly formalize the collapse of the Union and the division of the cake. And then gobble up all the parts of the once single cake gradually so that it fits into your mouth. Hitler choked ... At first, out of greed, they grabbed the largest piece - Russia, but they choked slightly, trying to bite off the Caucasus, then they decided to take smaller pieces: they ate Georgia, they eat Ukraine, Belarus is next, etc. ... and at the end they cut it even a big piece of cake - RF and gobble it up, finally. And everything will end only when the knife is broken or taken away.

      I put it allegorically, but I think it’s clear.
  34. Vorchun
    Vorchun 10 February 2016 10: 18
    0
    How many do not tell the child: - "Hot, you will burn yourself!" until he burns himself - he does not know, he does not believe. Everyone goes their own way of knowledge. What you did not learn in your youth, you will return to learn in maturity.
  35. Vadimsh
    Vadimsh 10 February 2016 10: 26
    +2
    I do not agree, again it’s looking at some contexts, dividing into separate territories, inserting each time a separate topic. Everything should be considered without contexts and separate topics, but in the aggregate. The fascists did not come to power in Russia in the 1993 model. Yes, and about monuments can only boast of Moscow, and even a couple of fortified cities. And in the rest both stood and stand.
  36. vvp2412
    vvp2412 10 February 2016 10: 36
    0
    The author is right that the situation is with us at the beginning of the 90's and among the Ukrainians now, just like a carbon copy.
    But he does not make one important accent: In Russia, in the 90's, and now no one cries out - to give a jerk to the fool, does not say that Potroshenko is to blame for all our problems, nobody says that Ruin is our main problem, which prevents to become our country paradise ....
    And from that side, only the river of shit is audible and visible!
  37. Petrik66
    Petrik66 10 February 2016 10: 39
    +4
    Puppeteers .... again we are beguiled. In 1990, by the nature of my service, I wandered between Russia, Moldova, and Ukraine. How our brothers rejoiced: Under Romanians we wore white suits, and now in quilted jackets, Others fed the fat of an always drunk brother and dragged this dirty and always drunk Russia on them ..... and how the faces of ordinary Moldovans and Ukrainians lit up when they listened this heresy, as they ran with staring eyes at rallies. Suitcase Station Russia ........ As the Ukrainians were proud of their government - the kotsaps are taking coffins out of Chechnya, and ours are getting from both. The people in the same way share responsibility for their rulers, for corrupt click-bearers and Internet marauks, while we ourselves answered for ourselves somehow and will continue to be responsible.
    1. kunstkammer
      kunstkammer 10 February 2016 16: 55
      0
      I agree - it was just that.
      And what kind of "my answer", I also agree. I still believe that it was my actions that led to the failure of the State Emergency Committee, the collapse of the USSR in 91.
      And I'm terribly ashamed of it!
  38. 0255
    0255 10 February 2016 10: 54
    +7
    Bravo, Roman! I agree with you!
    I, too, had similar thoughts.
    Those who blame the Ukrainians for not opposing Poroshenko would like to ask:
    1. Did you rally against the collapse of the USSR?
    2. Did you all go out in 1993 against Yeltsin, against tanks and armored personnel carriers?
    3. Did you oppose the government, which merged the Chechen war, disgracing Russia?
    4. You demanded that the authorities tell the truth why the Kursk nuclear submarine sank and "could not" lift it from a depth of 100 m (100 meters, Karl!), Refused the help of the British?
    5. Why didn’t they come out to protest against the transfer of the Far Eastern lands to the Chinese, the oil shelf of Norway?
    6. If God forbid there were any Novodvorskaya supporters in power today who wanted to give the Kuriles to the Japanese, Kaliningrad to the Germans, Abkhazia and Ossetia to the Georgians, Transdniestria to the Moldavians, to make Russia a US colony, would you come out with arms against such a government?
  39. Super Black
    Super Black 10 February 2016 10: 54
    +1
    Want to know what kind of brothers they are to us? Watch the movie brother-2
  40. uskrabut
    uskrabut 10 February 2016 11: 02
    +3
    Tired of already discussing this topic. Russia does not need to indicate how they live. It is better to go about your business, improve life in your country. We have our own problems above the roof: education, science, medicine, industry are falling apart, the people are impoverished. As we solve these problems, they will begin to look at us with respect, and not only our fraternal peoples.
  41. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 10 February 2016 11: 05
    +1
    And they safely exchanged their past for free access to such benefits of Western civilization as jeans, chewing gum and used cars.
    I agree with that. The USSR fell apart not only through the fault of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, etc. (insert the last name), but also with the tacit consent of the majority.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 10 February 2016 20: 27
      +1
      The consent of the majority did not appear from scratch. Tired of howling party agitators ....
  42. Winnie76
    Winnie76 10 February 2016 11: 23
    +4
    My work colleague lived at the union, if I am not mistaken in Kazakhstan. He still remembers the slogan "Russians take your factories, leave us our sheep."
    So there is no need for any regular snot about the brotherhood "we are the same" and so on. Independent - flag in hand and forward to shining heights. If you want free loans and orders for the industry - join the Russian Federation. And shove your parochial independence to yourself ...
    And then, as small children ... Here I am independent, not very here, here they wrapped fish ...
    1. Sailor
      Sailor 10 February 2016 12: 18
      +4
      And a friend of mine in 93 ate took his legs from Tashkent, sold a 4-room apartment in the center for nothing, personal belongings and a wife with children in an armful and on a train, and now tolerance must be shown to them.
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 10 February 2016 20: 25
      +1
      Will you all be in the Russian Federation? As if in Germany it was not ...
  43. Cananecat
    Cananecat 10 February 2016 11: 39
    -1
    Bingo!! The article is a fat plus. Great analogy. The sad thing is, how much time will Ukraine take to get on a normal track ...?
  44. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 10 February 2016 11: 40
    +3
    Frankly, it’s all the same what is happening there. Even if they at least eat each other there, what’s the matter to us? Enough. Died, so died. In his own country, problems would be solved.
    The author writes that, de, everything was exactly the same in the Russian Federation. Well, it was, well, realized, well, corrected, and here they will have the same thing, just leave them alone, that's all. And don’t need to help them, let everyone feel their skin, then insight will descend on them, and if Russia climbs again with the help, it will be to blame for everything.
  45. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 10 February 2016 11: 42
    +6
    It is no coincidence that in Stalin's time, the USSR fiercely fought against "small-town" thinking, pushing against the "international", despite the "right of nations to self-determination, up to secession" enshrined in the Constitution. At that time, the communists were not stupid ... and understood that "small-town" thinking leads to nationalism with all that it implies. The author is deeply mistaken when he says that “to understand and forgive” and “to look at yourself” is what you need to do and in the future everything will return to the “Russian house” again, you just need to wait for the time. No, the author does not return. There will be no "Russian house" anymore. The fact is that the unifying principle between Russians and Ukrainians is still the Russian language. There will be no Russian language in Ukraine and there will be no unity with the Russian people. And the Russian language in Ukraine is being strenuously destroyed, this has been set as the main task for the ruling junta, because its masters are well aware of its importance in the unity of two disunited peoples. But there is also another "side of the coin" that will not allow the creation of a new "Russian home" - namely, that we now live in two different states. Whatever the supporters of "unity" say here, if you have a separate "national" state, then you will consider it your "home" and will do everything for its prosperity. Ukrainians have their country, Ukraine, and now they will always consider it their home and do everything for its revival and prosperity. And they do it, despite what they write in our media. So that we have already disconnected and disconnected forever.
  46. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 10 February 2016 11: 55
    +3
    I have always been against comments like "mother-crush the Ukrainians". Since this is help to the junta (maybe there are provocateurs) and historically we are largely the same, and we live together in Russia. But you need to understand that on the basis of this common biological material with the Galician mentality, a new nation is being made. In my opinion, no more and no less, we have already named (we really) u.kry or dill, which will include the Russians in Ukraine .. And to break away from us and against us (Russia), and this must be remembered. Especially if what is now in Ukraine will continue for another 25 years (only).
  47. Sailor
    Sailor 10 February 2016 12: 21
    +2
    Russian Ukrainians and Belarusians are one nation artificially divided in 1918, and now we are reaping the benefits.
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    2. Scud
      Scud 10 February 2016 13: 19
      +2
      In the villages of the Kherson region in cemeteries on stone crosses are inscriptions in Russian. Dates are from the end of the 18-19th centuries.
  48. Hecate
    Hecate 10 February 2016 12: 53
    14
    Oh, I’m tired of articles from knowledgeable amateurs, or outright liars. I don’t know what is closer to the author of this epic. The collapse of the USSR began not in Moscow and not in Russia at all. The republics of the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) were the first to leave the USSR, then the republics of the Caucasus and after them Ukraine. It was in that order. What then happened in Russia was a struggle for power between clans and no more. The victory of any of the clans could no longer save the USSR. Remember the history of ethnic conflicts in the territory of the former USSR, the conflict in Karabakh, for example, began to gain momentum in 1987. I, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, have specific claims to Ukraine and not only to Ukraine. Well, point by point. 1) Ukraine is now shouting that taking Crimea and supporting the Donbass of the Russian Federation allegedly hit such a white and fluffy Ukraine in the back, but gentlemen, Ukrainians do not like to talk about how Ukraine fought against Russia on the side of Dudaev and Saakashvili. Ukrainians either deny it’s in general, or they say that there were several Ukrainian volunteers in Chechnya, but in the Donbas the Russian regular army is fighting against Ukraine. In Chechnya, 30000 UNA-UNSO fighters fought on Dudayev’s side, this is a Ukrainian nationalist organization, 30000 is a whole army, and the Ukrainian government and Yanukovych turned out to extradite UNA-UNSO members at the request of the Russian prosecutor’s office. it’s impossible to name 30000 bandits and the refusal to give them to the Russian Federation as a friendly step on the part of Ukraine towards Russia. Some of the Ukrainians begin to say that Dudaev, they say, is a patriot and that Ukraine did the right thing by supporting him. Well, if you think that Ukraine had the right to support Dudaev, then what claims to the Russian Federation, which supported the same Strelkova ?! 2) In 2008, Ukraine fought against the Russian Federation in Ossetia, on the side of Saakashvili. It was the Ukrainian military and Ukrainian air defense systems sent to Georgia that shot down several aircraft of the Russian Air Force. Of course, as an independent state, Ukraine has the right to support anyone, but if Ukraine is at war against Russia, then what kind of talk can there be about friendship and the treacherous attack of the Russian Federation on Ukraine, if Ukraine itself has been fighting against the Russian Federation in the Caucasus for many years ?! 3) And finally, the events in Odessa. Ukraine is not alone. In the same Azerbaijan, during the USSR, Russians made up more than 20% of the population, but in Azerbaijan there were mass pogroms of the Russian-speaking population, with murders, robberies and rape, and now Russians in Azerbaijan officially, about 5%, but actually even less. And this was not only in Azerbaijan, it was in Uzbekistan and other republics of the former USSR, somewhere less, somewhere more. After all this, I have a question for Azerbaijanis and other now independent fighters with Russians and Russia. You didn’t do well with the Russians, to put it mildly, so what right now do you have the right to come to Russia and demand from these same Russians for yourself is that right ?! I now believe that after what you did in your homeland with the Russians, in the Russian Federation you have no rights and cannot be. All your rights are at your place. 4) Now about the borders. I have little interest in Karabakh. I have my own opinion on this issue, but I will not voice it, because on the whole, it is not my business and it does not concern me. Let the conflicting parties there deal themselves.
    1. Andkor1962
      Andkor1962 10 February 2016 15: 18
      +4
      I completely agree. Unfortunately I can’t put + yet
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 10 February 2016 20: 03
      +2
      I completely agree. +
  49. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 10 February 2016 13: 10
    +1
    Only we did not have free gas, and the allies did not leave us wealth, but only debts. Therefore, it is not necessary. And then we plowed under all the authorities, both during the Soviet era and during the Gorbachev, and under the drunk Yeltsin. Plowed, that is, worked.
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 10 February 2016 18: 08
      0
      I will not argue about "we plowed"; we plowed - some more, some less. Only here in "plowing" the Ukrainians, for the sake of justice, too, would not refuse. I am convinced that they also have a lot of plowmen under any government.
  50. av58
    av58 10 February 2016 13: 14
    +3
    The author drew parallels and concluded that Russians and Ukrainians are catastrophically the same, and "the older brother is obliged to help the younger." This is just an anecdote, and a stupid one too. Similar, and sometimes the same development of the situation, does not mean that we are the same. I do not think that Russians are "older brothers" in relation to Ukrainians. who, moreover, do not consider themselves to be our brothers, do not need help, and the maximum they want is to get Russian money and resources for free. WILL BE USED.