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The infection of large-scale privatization of state assets struck the bright minds of the Russian economy

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In late November, the head of Sberbank, German Gref, spoke in favor of the full privatization of the bank under his jurisdiction. “In principle, nothing prevents the full privatization of Sberbank. This will significantly improve our position, ”he said in an interview with the German edition of Handelsblatt and recalled that already now 50% minus one share of Sberbank is traded on the stock market. "Another 25% could be immediately put up for auction." The remaining package (25%) Gref proposed to leave the Central Bank of Russia for the transition period.




Project in the interests of stock speculators

For the privatization of Sberbank, German Gref, who successfully re-qualified from a failed lawyer to the classics of the Russian economy, has been speaking for a long time. He first spoke about this six years ago, at the Davos 2010 forum of the year. Then, in the heat of controversy, Gref flared up and said: “We must privatize state-owned banks. I suggest starting with Sberbank. ”

Officials and experts were very skeptical about the idea. The fact is that Sberbank is firmly retaining its leadership in the retail financial market of Russia, not because it is headed by the domestic economy, but solely because of its state status and the associated preferences and guarantees on deposits.

On the Sberbank website, he himself is called the "circulatory system of the Russian economy." The bank accounts for 46,4% of household deposits, 34,7% of loans to individuals and 33,9% of loans to legal entities. Such a colossus, without prejudice to the state, is not easy to turn from social goals to private commercial interests.

Over time, Gref cooled down to the privatization of the bank. In July last year at the St. Petersburg economic forum, answering the question about the prospect of turning Sberbank into a private bank and its further privatization, German Gref already spoke as a serious statesman: “I think this is not a good time, especially when we are under sanctions , our capitalization is extremely low. ” And he added: “To sell some shares on the market today is probably not the best time.”

What happened in the Russian economy in less than five months, what made the head of the largest Russian bank change its opinion so radically? The answer to this question was given by the economic adviser to the President of Russia, academician Sergey Glazyev. As Kommersant wrote, Glazyev said that over the past year and a half, exchange speculators have earned 50 billion US dollars in manipulating the exchange rate of the national currency. The amount is impressive. It cannot lie in the form of a banal accumulation, but it is best to save and increase it by investing in large projects. In Russia, these are state assets in strategic companies and banks.

Bankers, of course, are aware of the possibilities and requests of the owners of currency billions. Therefore, when the “client has matured,” the head of Sberbank began to bustle with suggestions. His example was followed by government officials interested in the available resources of potential investors. Under this business they offered packages of state-owned companies that were recently advertised as the “national treasure of Russia”.

The feast of investors, speculators have not yet turned out. At the meeting with the President of Russia, devoted to the privatization of state assets, the appetites of the initiators of the new large-scale privatization were significantly reduced. The first to rein in Gref. The head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina once again reminded that the welfare of Sberbank is largely based on its state status, secured by the package in 51% of the bank's assets. Sberbank fell out of privatization plans.

How profitable to sell cheap!

It should be noted that in the 2014-2015 years, privatization in Russia actually stopped. Minor assets sold on the occasion, but because of the sharply reduced capitalization of companies, no one seriously considered the sale of their shares. For the whole of last year, the budget received about 5 billion rubles at the expense of state assets. At the 2016 year, the official plan was adjusted upwards - to 33 billion rubles. Growth seems to be big, but on a budget scale, this amount dissolves with no visible balance, saving a trillion deficit caused by sanctions, crisis and diligence of the native government.

It perked up, sensing the availability of resources in $ 50 billions, albeit speculative. Already in January, Economic Development Minister Alexei Ulyukayev spoke about the privatization of the largest banks (in particular, VTB and Sberbank) and oil companies. Ulyukaev substantiated his statement quite frankly: “The banking system needs to be developed in order to process the large volume of savings that were formed among Russians in 2015”. (I quote from the publication "Kremlin Press").

The minister modestly reiterated that we are talking mainly about speculative capital, but confirmed: his department is already preparing new proposals for the privatization of state assets. Now the amounts have sounded completely different. Finance Minister Anton Siluanov considered that only the sale of 19,5% to Rosneft could bring to the budget 500-550 billion rubles.

But what about the low capitalization of the campaigns, because the value of their shares fell sharply last year? It turns out not at all! Recorded experts on the state TV channel make convincing calculations. Here is an example of such an analysis: Rosneft in rubles is valued close to historical maximums - 270 rubles. per share, maximum before the 2008 crisis - around 290 rubles. "Bashneft" - now 2050 rubles per share, at the maximum - about 2500 ". “Despite the decline in oil prices,” a young expert from the Russia-24 TV channel rejoices, “the cost of oil companies in national currency is by no means low. Exporters in the price ”.

Only Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin was so happy when he counted on the same TV channel that Russia received three times more money for Mistral than it had originally paid. Rogozin can be forgiven. He is not an economist. Just looked not in the currency, but in the ruble graph. We will also forgive the young expert from “Russia-24”, maybe, in time, he will understand that it is indecent to be cunning with viewers. In contrast to Rogozin's humanitarian, the young expert must know the difference between national and world currencies and remember that the shares of the companies mentioned are traded not only on Moscow, but also on foreign exchanges. Here capitalization is estimated in US dollars, and not in depreciating rubles.

The highest ranks of the government were involved in the processing of society. In an interview with Vesti Nedeli’s Sunday program, Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, understanding the instability of the arguments of the advocates of large-scale privatization, tried to look at the problem more broadly: “In any case, there comes a time when the benefits of obtaining resources at a given time, the benefits associated with attracting new investors outweigh the disadvantages that are. We see that for a number of companies we can fully profitably realize part of the existing assets, while maintaining strategic control over our base companies, base enterprises. ” The head of the Cabinet of Ministers, Dmitry Medvedev, also made a statement: “Privatization of state assets, including state-owned shares, will help stabilize the country's budget.”

Strictly speaking, this is the whole point of the planned sale. All the talk about the effectiveness of private company management, eliminating imbalances in labor costs and productivity, demonopolizing the economy, dividing large companies into parts, and other phillipics about the quality of the economic structure, which have plentifully sounded in recent days to justify large-scale privatization, leave for forums like Gaydarovsky. Practice does not really confirm the correctness of these messages. But something else is quite obvious: in a crisis, the cabinet failed to cope with the management of the economy and failed the budget. The hole in it is now filled with a sale of state assets, which Dmitry Medvedev publicly confirmed.

This is a difficult question. On Friday, Vladimir Putin discussed it with members of the Russian Security Council. At this meeting, a new large-scale privatization was launched. Its principles are defined. The most important of them is that buyers are required to be Russian residents. The cost of shares must be paid in rubles. These funds will go to the Russian budget and will be spent within the country. Only investors with their own, not borrowed, resources will be admitted to trading. The list of companies included in the privatization plan is limited. First of all, Rosneft, Bashneft and Alrosa will pass through it.

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Any sale is addressed to those who have money. The rest of it is allowed to look only from the street. Only now privatization is not concerned, it affects the interests of a very wide range of people. After all, the favorite brainchild of liberal economists only in theory guarantees progress and prosperity. In fact, the national wealth transferred to the private sector, immensely enriching new owners, ceases to serve society and even disorganizes power. The time after the large-scale privatization of the nineties confirmed this better than any theory. And today, in the days of the crisis, the Russian economy largely rests on the assets still controlled by the state. What will happen next? No one will say. The bright minds of the Russian economy are concerned about the momentary task - the filling of the 2016 budget of the year.

... As for Herman Gref, he really became skilled in economics and understood perfectly well - large private public companies now became the patrimony of management, which was little dependent on the multi-layered pyramid of owners. This new facet of privatization opens up broad prospects for company executives, the rest will be able to contemplate the process through a window shop window. Not the best prospect for society, which created the very values ​​that will go into private hands for speculative dollars.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 10 February 2016 06: 43
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    On Friday, Vladimir Putin discussed it with members of the Russian Security Council. At this meeting, the start of a new large privatization was given.
    .not everything was still sold, it turns out ... the ghouls began to look for new sources of income, and mind you, not to invest in the economy, but banks and state-owned companies are going to buy up ... what else will soon become "national property"?
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 February 2016 07: 42
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      Rosneft in rubles is estimated near historical highs - 270 rubles. per share, the maximum before the crisis of 2008 - in the region of 290 rubles. Bashneft - now 2050 rubles per share, at the maximum - about 2500. " “Despite the decline in oil prices,” rejoices the young expert at Rossiya-24 TV channel, “the cost of oil producers in the national currency is by no means low. Exporters in price »

      Well, the expert, as always, is disingenuous.
      He probably forgot a little. that the ruble (since the time of maximum quotes) fell 3 times.
      and assets will probably be bought by people whose savings are not in rubles but in dollars and euros.
      those. Approximately 3.5 - 4 times cheaper. Than their cost at maximum.
      1. andj61
        andj61 10 February 2016 08: 17
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        Well, the expert, as always, is disingenuous.
        He probably forgot a little. that the ruble (since the time of maximum quotes) fell 3 times.
        and assets will probably be bought by people whose savings are not in rubles but in dollars and euros.
        those. Approximately 3.5 - 4 times cheaper. Than their cost at maximum.

        Here, not only the expert is disingenuous, but also you, Alexander. stop Not three, not 3,5-4, but only 2,5 times - if we approach it objectively. But the trend is really alarming. And 3 years ago everyone insisted that Russian assets were underestimated, and now, at the peak of the fall in both the value of shares and the ruble, suddenly decided to sell state assets? Someone is very, very profitable! Of course, the guarantor immediately put up a bunch of sales requirements - a controlling stake in strategic enterprises should remain in state ownership, prevent underestimation (how not to allow it if the underestimation is due to the hydrocarbon market conditions ?!), etc. And so the go-ahead is given - sell! am
        In general, they are strange bees, and they give strange honey! negative
        Alexander, happy holiday to you! Health, happiness, good mood, and, most importantly, patience! love hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 February 2016 11: 45
          +5
          Quote: andj61
          Here, not only the expert is disingenuous, but also you, Alexander. Not three, not 3,5-4, but only 2,5 times

          Andrei, I'm generally right.
          Dollar exchange rate in January 2008 - 24.5 rubles
          i.e. stocks at a maximum cost
          Rosneft --- 11.83 dollars (290 rubles)
          Bashneft --- 102 dollars (2500 rubles)
          2016 g
          dollar --- well let's say 75 (averaged)
          Sell ​​per share
          Rosneft --- 3.6 dollars --- (270 rubles) --- difference 3.2 times
          Bashneft --- 27.dollars (2050) rub .---- difference 3.7 times.
          Quote: andj61
          And 3 years ago, everyone insisted that Russian assets were underestimated, and now, at the peak of the fall in the value of shares and the ruble, suddenly decided to sell state assets? Someone is very, very profitable!

          Well, it’s beneficial to someone who buys.
          And they are underestimated or evaluated - this will show the auction, usually in a crisis (based on some experience) --- the price and expectations are overstated.
          Buy even cheaper
          Quote: andj61
          Of course, the guarantor immediately put forward a bunch of sales requirements - a controlling stake in strategic enterprises should remain state-owned, prevent underestimation (how not to allow it if the underestimation is due to the hydrocarbon market conditions ?!)

          Believe me, the second that the investor hears about a controlling stake in state property (and how the state manages everything they see perfectly) --- and they won’t buy for this price
          Quote: andj61
          Alexander, happy holiday to you! Health, happiness, good mood, and, most importantly, patience

          Thank you, Andrew !!!!
          In general, the older you get, the less you expect a birthday.

          Mood - I always have. patience is a question, happiness and health are the main things, and we will buy the rest.
          Thanks again. fellow drinks hi
          1. andj61
            andj61 10 February 2016 20: 56
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Andrei, I'm generally right.
            The dollar in January 2008

            Sanya, why not immediately count for 1998? what
            I somehow counted at the beginning of 2014, and then the dollar was somewhere 32 with a penny.
            And everything else is, of course, correct.
            Already, apparently, are you drinking? wink
            Congratulations again - I’m raising a toast to your health! drinks
        2. atalef
          atalef 10 February 2016 11: 45
          0
          Quote: andj61
          Here, not only the expert is disingenuous, but also you, Alexander. Not three, not 3,5-4, but only 2,5 times

          Andrei, I'm generally right.
          Dollar exchange rate in January 2008 - 24.5 rubles
          i.e. stocks at a maximum cost
          Rosneft --- 11.83 dollars (290 rubles)
          Bashneft --- 102 dollars (2500 rubles)
          2016 g
          dollar --- well let's say 75 (averaged)
          Sell ​​per share
          Rosneft --- 3.6 dollars --- (270 rubles) --- difference 3.2 times
          Bashneft --- 27.dollars (2050) rub .---- difference 3.7 times.
          Quote: andj61
          And 3 years ago, everyone insisted that Russian assets were underestimated, and now, at the peak of the fall in the value of shares and the ruble, suddenly decided to sell state assets? Someone is very, very profitable!

          Well, it’s beneficial to someone who buys.
          And they are underestimated or evaluated - this will show the auction, usually in a crisis (based on some experience) --- the price and expectations are overstated.
          Buy even cheaper
          Quote: andj61
          Of course, the guarantor immediately put forward a bunch of sales requirements - a controlling stake in strategic enterprises should remain state-owned, prevent underestimation (how not to allow it if the underestimation is due to the hydrocarbon market conditions ?!)

          Believe me, the second that the investor hears about a controlling stake in state property (and how the state manages everything they see perfectly) --- and they won’t buy for this price
          Quote: andj61
          Alexander, happy holiday to you! Health, happiness, good mood, and, most importantly, patience

          Thank you, Andrew !!!!
          In general, the older you get, the less you expect a birthday.

          Mood - I always have. patience is a question, happiness and health are the main things, and we will buy the rest.
          Thanks again. fellow drinks hi
        3. gergi
          gergi 10 February 2016 14: 34
          +4
          Is someone profitable? Someone here and there sometimes! Ulyukaev, Siluanov, Gref, Medvedev and other evil spirits is profitable! And this is not good for us! The bastards are going to rob again!
        4. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 23: 13
          0
          Quote: andj61
          Someone is very, very profitable! Of course, the guarantor immediately put up a bunch of sales requirements - a controlling stake in strategic enterprises should remain in state ownership

          There is an opinion that the whole story with the devaluation of the ruble was started just for buying up the remaining state property.
          But in fact, the beginning scam is no better than security stocks.
          It’s just that those uncles have grown up with children and ambitions, and the strategic Eltsin line remains unchanged, only a little retouched.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 February 2016 10: 47
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      not to invest in the economy, but banks and state companies are going to buy up ... what else will soon become a "national property"?

      What is it about - there will be no privatization of Sberbank, the issue has been resolved! Read the press, listen to the news! hi
    3. coolvoldik
      coolvoldik 10 February 2016 10: 56
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      Beautifully V.V.P. and his team wrapped up about the new state ideology. It turns out how simple everything is: Patriotism and that's it !!! Especially against the background of the "new" wave of privatization. While the patriots will sing the anthem, the directors will quietly divide the remnants of state property ... Here it is, what a new state ideology you are.
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    5. gergi
      gergi 10 February 2016 14: 30
      +8
      Gref wants to appropriate a Sberbank. The scheme is old, you take out a loan from Sberbank, buy Sberbank with this money, you forgive yourself a loan. Gref in chocolate. You have to hang this bastard! Gaidaryata, happy guys! Do not plow do not forge! Horrosho live!
    6. Baikonur
      Baikonur 16 February 2016 18: 34
      0
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      what else will soon become "national treasure"?

      You apparently made a mistake (sealed)! I think I should have said: Stop!
  2. Hammer
    Hammer 10 February 2016 06: 57
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    Well, that’s it. Right now, Americans will buy up all our assets, and in a couple of years will bring their puppet to power. Well, they will roll away from urkaina. get a more effective lever of control over our country. That's all gentlemen.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 10 February 2016 07: 07
      11
      Buyers are required to be Russian residents.
      very vague definition ... request
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 February 2016 07: 35
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        very vague definition ...

        And in what? Blocked access for speculators from behind a hillock is bad?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 10 February 2016 07: 41
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          very vague definition ...

          And in what? Blocked access for speculators from behind a hillock is bad?

          Sanya, hello, you understand no worse than me that most of the transactions are done for dummies, yes, he will be a "Russian resident", but he will not buy for himself, the real owner will remain in the shadows, such u.r.o. d.o. in-a dime a dozen.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 February 2016 07: 43
            -6
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich

            Sanya, hello, you understand as well as I do that most transactions are done for dummies, yes, he will be a "Russian resident"

            It’s healthy. And as you now imagine it, a couple of years ago, it would have been possible. Now, no, the cold warrior is coming.
        2. atalef
          atalef 10 February 2016 07: 47
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          very vague definition ...

          And in what? Blocked access for speculators from behind a hillock is bad?

          And than speculators from behind a hillock. different from russian?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 February 2016 07: 55
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            And than speculators from behind a hillock. different from russian?

            It doesn’t smell its own and pays taxes to the treasury of Russia, and not sits in an offshore. A healthy pension lol
          2. GRAY
            GRAY 10 February 2016 09: 54
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            And than speculators from behind a hillock. different from russian?

            They can file a lawsuit in the Hague if that. And if the Russian owner of the assets, even purely legal, is forced to remain in the Russian legal field and if he doesn’t, he will not be able to pull up his Western friends.
          3. Bayonet
            Bayonet 10 February 2016 10: 50
            0
            Quote: atalef
            And than speculators from behind a hillock. different from russian?

            Hi Sasha! Perhaps not so brutal appetite! laughing
      2. atalef
        atalef 10 February 2016 07: 46
        +7
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Buyers are required to be Russian residents.
        very vague definition ... request

        Well, Rotenberg and Timchenko are Russian residents. and enough bucks.
        It was worth spreading Yukos, redeeming shares from partners, getting into a 50 lard fine. to start selling Rosneft at a quarter price.
        1. andj61
          andj61 10 February 2016 08: 25
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          Well, Rotenberg and Timchenko are Russian residents. and enough bucks.

          They are not only Russian residents, but also residents of other countries - there is enough property everywhere, respectively, and they pay taxes there. And where they pay taxes - there they are residents. bully
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 10 February 2016 08: 29
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Buyers are required to be Russian residents.
          very vague definition ... request

          Well, Rotenberg and Timchenko are Russian residents. and enough bucks.
          It was worth spreading Yukos, redeeming shares from partners, getting into a 50 lard fine. to start selling Rosneft at a quarter price.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .And as you now imagine it, a couple of years ago, it would have been possible. Now no, the cold warrior is coming.

          Yes, that's how I imagine. hello atalef
      3. navalskii
        navalskii 10 February 2016 08: 54
        0
        To do this, you need to live and work in the Russian Federation for 1 year (it is not necessary to have Russian citizenship)
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 February 2016 07: 34
      -3
      Quote: Hammer
      Well, that’s it. Right now Americans will buy all our assets,

      They’re not buying up, they put a barrier on them.
      Quote: Hammer
      That's all gentlemen.

      You can, at least a little, at least, a little headache think.
      Buyers are required to be Russian residents.
      1. atalef
        atalef 10 February 2016 07: 48
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You can, at least a little, at least, a little headache think.
        Buyers are required to be Russian residents.

        neither by residents but by presidents laughing
        Former. real, company presidents, etc.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 February 2016 07: 56
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Former. real, company presidents, etc.

          You decided to finish them off laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 10 February 2016 08: 03
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: atalef
            Former. real, company presidents, etc.

            You decided to finish them off laughing

            Schaub so finished me off laughing
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 10 February 2016 08: 31
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They’re not buying up, they put a barrier on them.

        oh, Sanya, in any fence, there is a hole, especially in ours ..
  3. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 10 February 2016 06: 57
    +1
    They are ready to sell and dump everything. Soon the election will scurry bastards. Afraid that they will kick under the ass. Their instinct is triggered, grab and run.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 February 2016 07: 36
      0
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      They are ready to sell and dump everything.

      Who and where will topple?
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      . Soon the election will scurry bastards. Afraid of being kicked in the ass

      Can anyone more specifically and who kick under ****?
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      . Their instinct is triggered, grab and run.

      Who? Where?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 10 February 2016 10: 56
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Who and where will topple?

        IN USSR ! smile
  4. Nsk 54
    Nsk 54 10 February 2016 06: 58
    +8
    This privatization is the climax of Putin's liberal economy.
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    2. Fat
      Fat 10 February 2016 12: 58
      0
      Quote: Nsk 54
      This privatization is the climax of Putin's liberal economy.

      Following the outline of your comparison, this privatization is the perigee of the "oil economy" and the "orbit" has not changed yet. Economics itself is a "science". Only economic policy can be liberal, Putin's (planned Stalin's, Khrushchev's, Brezhnev's, Gorbachev's ...). You are an optimist if you consider the situation to be the high point. IMHO is worse. No.
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 10 February 2016 06: 58
    18
    When they sell And Sberbank, Gref first kicked out of his chair, as a mediocre profoundly big money. Gref offers to sell the bank in a falling market. Gref did not calculate political risks and continues to raise money for the sake of personal ambitions. and budget to Ukraine.

    Have your own gesheft from the sale of state. assets are the best that our "businessmen" can do.
    For more than 20 years, the "Russian" snobs from Forbes, and the lesser punks, regularly withdraw "Glazyev's 50 billion" to offshore and constantly milk the budget "with the help of strategic industries."

    P.S. A separate "thank you" to Gref from Crimea. There is such a small barking breed "kabyzdoh" - this is the level and diagnosis of the businessman-politician German Oskarovich.
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 February 2016 07: 51
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      When they sell And Sberbank, Gref first kicked out of his chair

      Well, he lives on a salary, goes to the exchange - they will find work
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 February 2016 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      When will they sell And Sberbank
      MOSCOW (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said that the Russian authorities will not in the medium term consider privatizing the stake in the country's largest bank, Sberbank (MCX: SBER).
    3. valerii41
      valerii41 10 February 2016 18: 26
      0
      Gref practically owns Sberbank left with the people's vouchers to get everything else like Chubais. Chubais in its natural state did not die, but turned out to be "more alive than all living things"
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    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 10 February 2016 10: 58
      +3
      And what about the comrade, Lenin is also to blame here, it turns out?
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  10. Nix1986
    Nix1986 10 February 2016 07: 07
    +8
    It is somehow strange to think that an effective speculator (consider currency exchange) will be an effective manager of an enterprise, it’s one thing to earn loot on the growth of the merged inf rate, and it’s another thing to build an enterprise policy. Rather, it will be as always, they will buy cheaper on privatization (do not ask why, 90% will be so), and then they will already be resold at a real price. And as always, a quick gesheft is back in your pocket.
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  13. warriordima
    warriordima 10 February 2016 07: 12
    +6
    I liked the article. Along Syria and Ukraine, there is still a financial war against us and here we lose the campaign, because we play their game and according to their bourgeois rules. It's time to leave this cheating game, and even better to catch cheaters and punish.))
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 10 February 2016 11: 44
      +3
      So we lost it a long time ago. Even in those years when, robbed wives of diplomats, were embarrassed to claim that they had been robbed. And these people taught us to live.
  14. MuadDib
    MuadDib 10 February 2016 07: 21
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    Privatized banks, factories and factories. Everything is in private hands. Well, then let the army be created private. Otherwise, what is the point of protecting the wealth of others? I am just an employee in this state. Nothing belongs to me here. And I have to pay for everything.
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 February 2016 07: 53
      +3
      Quote: MuadDib
      And I have to pay for everything.

      of course. in the absence of Western funding (those are not possible to take loans)
      Approximate to MOST. get loans at the same VNEShtorgbank or Sberbank - at a very convenient interest.
      therefore, it is necessary to produce additional emission.
      They will receive the assets. and people will pay inflation.
      1. Begemot
        Begemot 10 February 2016 08: 47
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        Sber himself took a loan from the Ministry of Finance at a convenient interest, such a large loan, about 30% of all the money in the savings. And where does the MF get such money? - from our pocket, no one asked us, they gave Gref to keep his pants. And by the way, do not flatter yourself about the status of residents of prospective buyers. No one canceled further sale, so this is nothing more than noodles on our ears.
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 10 February 2016 10: 12
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          Quote: Begemot
          No one canceled further sale, so this is nothing more than noodles on our ears.

          http://zazakon.ru/news/2016/ukroshchenie_gosaktivov_pravovye_nyuansy_novoy_priva
          tizacii_i_ee_vygoda_dlya_yuristov
          In fact, the state will be able to control the acquisition of blocks of shares in significant companies by foreign investors: the corresponding restrictions for foreign investors are spelled out in the law on strategic investments. According to the law, they must agree with the government commission on the acquisition of 25 to 50% of shares in Russian companies that are strategic (such as Rosneft, Bashneft or Alrosa), as well as inform it about the purchase 5 and more percent of shares. "The privatization law, unlike the old law, does not provide for direct prohibitions for foreign persons, including those registered in offshore jurisdictions, to purchase shares," confirms Andrey Porfiriev. But as far as the possibility of participation in the privatization of offshore companies is concerned, it is quite possible to expect the introduction of a legislative ban in one form or another, Anton Samokhvalov believes.
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      3. Nix1986
        Nix1986 10 February 2016 10: 28
        +1
        Not long ago, there was a long article on RBC about a closed meeting about the situation in VEB, and what led to it, the main thing is all sorts of project projects such as the Olympics with their scam contractors. And he was responsible for everything DAM. And again, for a banquet of close people (read contractors) to pay the population.
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 10 February 2016 12: 31
      -1
      Quote: MuadDib
      Privatized banks, factories and factories. Everything is in private hands. Well, then let the army be created private. Otherwise, what is the point of protecting the wealth of others? I am just an employee in this state. Nothing belongs to me here. And I have to pay for everything.

      Is public administration more efficient than private? World experience shows that private companies are more efficient. The state should only be responsible for security. I myself know that in a private clinic, at least, the ratio is better than in a public one. Remember the state dental offices and new private clinics.
      As for Sberbank .. I left a long time ago from there, I use commercial banks and am happy as an elephant, I remember Sberbank as a nightmare ... But what you say is about something else. That they will come and will surely destroy everything .. This is not at all necessary. No one will kill a chicken with golden eggs on purpose.
      1. MuadDib
        MuadDib 10 February 2016 14: 18
        +3
        Remember RAO "UES of Russia". An example of privatization that led to bacchanalia. Many power engineers still remember Chubais with a "kind" word.
        Still. Many state-owned companies are half private. Where is the result? If managers cannot cope with half, then where will the abilities for complete management come from.
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 10 February 2016 15: 45
          -2
          Quote: MuadDib
          Remember RAO "UES of Russia". An example of privatization that led to bacchanalia. Many power engineers still remember Chubais with a "kind" word.
          Still. Many state-owned companies are half private. Where is the result? If managers cannot cope with half, then where will the abilities for complete management come from.

          You gave really negative examples. But look at Apple, Microsoft are completely private companies. And Rusnano is a state-owned company. If public administration were so effective, our economy was the world's leading. We have all the key positions - government. In the meantime, we see a crisis of this state machine. This is my estimated opinion as a simple person. If there are any examples of the opposite - give.
  15. vitya1945
    vitya1945 10 February 2016 07: 25
    +6
    Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    And no one can do anything.
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 February 2016 07: 25
    +9
    If the Sberbank is privatized, it, IMHO, will collapse very quickly. The only thing he keeps on is the trust of the population that this will be the last bank to be revoked from the license in this country ... therefore, service at this bank, interest on deposits, etc. - one of the worst in the country.
    Gref is simply not smart. In the case of privatization, he will be the first to be dismissed by decision of the board of directors.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 February 2016 07: 50
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      If the Sberbank is privatized, it, IMHO, will collapse very quickly.

      Putin said a few days ago that they would not privatize Sberbank.
    2. atalef
      atalef 10 February 2016 07: 57
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Gref is simply not smart. In the case of privatization, he will be the first to be dismissed by decision of the board of directors.

      Such an impression. what does he decide.
      sell that. that at least somehow you can sell. as Medvedev said
      - oil rent is over.
      DO NOT SELL EVERYTHING.
      True, this money is profound. like the previous ones, but there is no way out - this year the Duma elections. in the next re-election - you can’t swing the vertical. but from 2018 it will begin in full.
      1. valera
        valera 10 February 2016 08: 03
        +2
        Atalef.
        Happy Birthday to You. laughing
        Here I thought, give it to your sister and buy it for yourself too, just such a thing.
        Darsonval "DE-212 Carat". Cool stuff.
        Quote: atalef
        but from 2018 it will begin in full.

        And what will start in full?
        1. atalef
          atalef 10 February 2016 08: 51
          0
          Thank you. Here we have become a year older.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 February 2016 09: 42
            0
            Quote: atalef
            So we have become a year older.

            Older Sanya is older!
          2. atalef
            atalef 10 February 2016 10: 57
            +6
            Quote: atalef
            Thank you. Here we have become a year older.

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: atalef
            So we have become a year older.

            Older Sanya is older!

            As I understand it, those who crammed for congratulating the cons are hoping that I will meet my last spring laughing
            Do not wait. wassat laughing
          3. IS-80
            IS-80 10 February 2016 21: 20
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Thank you. Here we have become a year older.

            Happy Birthday! Health, long years to survive to communism, a lot of money if there is a lot, then two, in general, happiness. smile drinks
    3. AID.S
      AID.S 10 February 2016 08: 01
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Gref is simply not smart. In the case of privatization, he will be the first to be dismissed by decision of the board of directors.

      And if the board of directors will be appointed by those who buy Sberbank? And if he writes to himself a loan / loan for the purchase of savings (this box office really can not be counted, Danglar and Dantes are resting)? No collateral is needed here .. This doesn’t need a Gref’s mind either .. And then the withdrawal of funds and, a new face in London, talking about unhappy undemocratic Russia ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 10 February 2016 10: 19
        +1
        Quote: AID.S
        And if the board of directors will be appointed by those who buy Sberbank?

        Of course, what do you think?
        Joint-stock company - whose controlling stake - that and slippers
      2. atalef
        atalef 10 February 2016 10: 19
        +1
        Quote: AID.S
        And if the board of directors will be appointed by those who buy Sberbank?

        Of course, what do you think?
        Joint-stock company - whose controlling stake - that and slippers
    4. andrew42
      andrew42 10 February 2016 13: 47
      0
      So Gref, obviously, wants to be "fired". And he is passionate about it. But it is clear that he wants to quit in Bendera style, with a suitcase full of bills.
  17. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 10 February 2016 07: 31
    +8
    Most of our officials began to remind me very much of Ukrainian .... when everything was fine ... their level of intelligence and education was not very noticeable ... but how difficulties appeared .. everything got out. Eh ... we continue to live on.
  18. sa-ag
    sa-ag 10 February 2016 07: 43
    +6
    Bashneft

    it looks like they are going to sell it the second time, in the future they will probably find violations again, the next Yevtushenkov will be charged with illegal privatization and money laundering and so on :-)
  19. stopkran
    stopkran 10 February 2016 08: 09
    +6
    Gref, with a medical doctor and his team of liberalists for sabotage and wrecking, is high time to send to Kolyma to replenish the country's gold reserves.
  20. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 10 February 2016 08: 20
    +8
    This disgusting vampire was put in 2008 just for the collapse and privatization of Sberbank. It should be noted that this non-man completely coped with the task. A powerful structure has become vulnerable. Now the enemies of Russia want to finish off and put under control the large Russian financial structure.
    It would be best if this animal was to shoot the headstock like a dog, but, I hope, it will end in an unenviable way.
  21. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 10 February 2016 08: 24
    +3
    Here it is "our people's" government in all its glory!
    Well, which of them will be the next Chubais?
    1. Koshel2901
      Koshel2901 10 February 2016 10: 34
      +1
      Mr. Gref, and Sberbank will become private, and the khan to all our accumulations on books (I want to give, I want not to give. Roughly something like this
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 10 February 2016 11: 05
        +2
        Quote: Koshel2901
        Sberbank will become private, and the khan to all our accumulations on books (I want to give, I want to not give.

        Why are you panicking? "We will not return to this issue during the discussion with colleagues of the privatization plan for 2016," Putin said at a meeting with the head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina and Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, adding that the issue of privatization in Russia will be discussed next week.
        Nabiullina said she considered the issue of privatizing the CBR's stake in Sberbank "premature." The Central Bank owns 50 percent plus one voting share in Sberbank.
        "In many ways, the confidence of Sberbank depositors is based on the fact that there is a controlling stake in the state," she said.
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        2. atalef
          atalef 10 February 2016 11: 29
          +2
          Quote: Bayonet
          Why are you panicking? "We will not return to this issue during the discussion with colleagues of the privatization plan for 2016," Putin said at a meeting with the head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina and Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, adding that the issue of privatization in Russia will be discussed next week. Nabiullina said she considered the question of privatizing the CBR's stake in Sberbank "premature." The Central Bank owns 50 percent plus one voting share in Sberbank.

          Well, everything’s right, Alexander.
          And what kind of bank (except for Sberbank) is able to credit future privatizers - Rosneft, Alroso, etc.?
          If Sberbank is put up for sale, then automatic issuance of large loans will be blocked, or it will have to be given full transparency.
          Who needs this?
          Therefore, most likely it will look (logically) like this.
          First, the bank will be split apart in full (coedites for close ones), then they will reorganize and cut their deposits, and then privatize them.
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 10 February 2016 13: 50
            +1
            Good plan. More than likely that will be so.
  22. Military Builder
    Military Builder 10 February 2016 08: 40
    +4
    everything will be according to the old run-in scheme, they’ll sell right now, after a while the state will redeem 5-10 times more expensive, and everything will be fine, the wolves are full and the sheep still have
  23. Million
    Million 10 February 2016 08: 50
    +2
    All as always-theft!
  24. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 10 February 2016 08: 53
    +4
    Buyers are required to be Russian residents.

    So what? A private person has the right to dispose of personal property at his discretion,
    acquired by a Russian resident, and the further fate of the assets depends on his will
    we can’t catch our eye in time; the assets will belong to foreign agents.
    What a gift to the west !!! In order to destroy the Russian economy, you do not even need to come up with sanctions; they will sell them for cents, convert them into a collapsed ruble and declare the effectiveness of privatization.
    It is the citizens of the country who understand that "it has fallen from the cart, it is gone," and statesmen, represented by effective managers, consider losses to be an achievement.
    Before being allowed to rule the state, these experts must be sent to work in harsh conditions for physical work for at least six months, to pay this hard work without bonuses, with a delay of six months, and then allowed to manage the country's economy. To understand what they are doing.
  25. Belousov
    Belousov 10 February 2016 09: 09
    +5
    Those. our "effective" ministers found themselves at a broken trough and instead of thinking about structural reforms in the economy, incl. and at the expense of profits from state assets, they offer to simply sell them for a penny. The question is - holes in the budget will be temporarily plugged, and then what? Hope again that oil will rise? Well, well ... Yes, and the sale at clearly reduced prices ... And the stories about the fact that they will only sell to residents - here it is enough to remember how Yukos was "sold" through BaikalFinanceGroup.
  26. Million
    Million 10 February 2016 09: 18
    +2
    Quote: Belousov
    Those. our "effective" ministers found themselves at a broken trough and instead of thinking about structural reforms in the economy, incl. and at the expense of profits from state assets, they offer to simply sell them for a penny. The question is - holes in the budget will be temporarily plugged, and then what? Hope again that oil will rise? Well, well ... Yes, and the sale at clearly reduced prices ... And the stories about the fact that they will only sell to residents - here it is enough to remember how Yukos was "sold" through BaikalFinanceGroup.

    Medvedev said that Russia only needs investments to boost the economy. Apparently, nothing else is needed.
    1. 1234567890
      1234567890 10 February 2016 10: 50
      +2
      Quote: Million
      Medvedev said

      Luntik is not only a mega-tourist, but also a mega-economist!
  27. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 10 February 2016 09: 39
    +6
    I don’t know how anyone, but if only this traitor named Gref sells Sberbank, the first thing I do is close my accounts and withdraw all my savings! Enough that Gref provided our money to the Kiev junta, and now he wants to transfer Sberbank to our "not quite friends"!
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 10 February 2016 10: 19
      +3
      As for Sberbank, there is comforting news, I watched Putin’s statement that they would not include the Security Council in privatization, incl. and in perspective.
      But “effective managers” will never stop raising this question.
      The meaning of privatization of the Security Council is the external control of finances and the subordination of all social payments, salaries of state employees, and the salaries of law enforcement agencies.
      This is not necessary at all — by pressing a couple of keys you can organize a wave of public protest, complete control of the West over all budget payments, personal data of law enforcement agencies — in general, traitors to the country will raise this issue again and again.
  28. uskrabut
    uskrabut 10 February 2016 09: 52
    15
    Very sensible move! Instead of learning how to finally fish, we decided to sell a fishing rod and buy food! The government is hot! What breeder brought this breed of monkey-managers?
    1. x587x
      x587x 10 February 2016 11: 27
      +2
      It is known where. SyShyA
  29. Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 February 2016 09: 57
    +2
    It will be necessary to contribute to the privatization of Rosneft to acquire 120000 shares.
  30. afrikanez
    afrikanez 10 February 2016 10: 06
    +3
    Yes, liberals (like Gref) just give free rein, they and their native mother will sell for nothing. am
  31. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 10 February 2016 10: 29
    +4
    Shares apparently buy Nabibulin? The ruble itself collapsed, and now it itself will be bought up cheaply.
  32. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 10 February 2016 10: 29
    +7
    The concept of "managing" is akin to the concept of "work" and both of these concepts are inaccessible to the understanding of the cohort of "effective" managers who have been brought up over the past decades and have occupied all government and bureaucratic posts in Russia. These "effective" managers are accustomed to living on "rent" without working - they "brought" money, they did not earn it. Do you hear what they tell us on TV when they come up with a new "rip-off" for the people? They say it will "bring" "us" (that is, "them") profit or money. It is very difficult to "manage" something, and even "effectively" in today's difficult economic conditions (which, in fact, these "effective" managers have created), you need to constantly WORK, Work day and night, but these "effective" "managers do not want to, and they cannot and do not know how, they are accustomed to" simple "," quick "money for which it is not necessary to" strain ". Hence these "thoughts" and "decisions" about the sale of everything and everybody - "mass privatization". "Wet" dreams and expectations of "investments" instead of thinking for themselves how to properly invest profits in the economy and develop this economy. They are now sleeping and dreaming that a "uncle-owner-privatizer" will come and begin to effectively manage what they have sold, paying taxes, etc. Yeah, wait.
  33. Koshel2901
    Koshel2901 10 February 2016 10: 30
    +3
    And where is our GUARANTEE? Sleeping on a bench? Or did they give him pink glasses? Or maybe he was never a GUARANTOR?
  34. Bayonet
    Bayonet 10 February 2016 11: 07
    -3
    Yes, you damn read anything other than comments on IN ??? request No privatization of Sberbank is NOT PLANNED AND THIS TOPIC IS NOT DISCUSSED !!!
  35. Conscience
    Conscience 10 February 2016 11: 28
    +2
    something that somehow incomprehensible happens - if I buy up all the banks factories and sell them to someone? what then?
    for a minute gain - years without a gain?
  36. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 10 February 2016 11: 49
    +3
    Svolo..chi and so half the country sold. All the oligarchs, it turns out, have acquired their property quite legally. Well, such laws were then. am Not everything turns out to be sold out of public property. Yes, and our leadership is good. "The best manager is a private owner" angry So it is time to enter the scene of Chubais. For which they cherished.
  37. Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 10 February 2016 12: 41
    +3
    Countless money has accumulated among our officials. If you take something in the west, the United States, under the pretext of sanctions, can take away and freeze accounts. And Russia is not a plowed field of activity and huge opportunities for the development of natural resources.
  38. triglav
    triglav 10 February 2016 12: 43
    +6
    I recall the dashing 90s and zero ... It is impossible to privatize corporations with state participation. On the contrary, they need to be nationalized. Under the Constitution, the subsoil belongs to the state. Then why do some corporations fatten from the sale of my (as a state) oil and gas?
  39. skobars
    skobars 10 February 2016 12: 53
    +4
    Economists themselves said that not one of the previously seized enterprises has become more efficient. The mantras of iPhone, that the market is still settled, also showed complete failure. The government of admirers of the gaydar freak, leads the country to even greater losses. Oh, how I do not want a revolution in RUSSIA, but if everything goes on like that, then it will be. The successes of RUSSIA in Syria do not in any way compensate for the failed economic policy within the country. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. And then read the grandfather LENINA what this leads to.
  40. Vadim42
    Vadim42 10 February 2016 14: 06
    +2
    Chubais is dead - long live the new Chubais!
  41. Amper
    Amper 10 February 2016 14: 14
    +2
    Quote: Nsk 54
    This privatization is the climax of Putin's liberal economy.


    I would say APOFEOZ! The conditions were finally ripe for the final plunder of the remnants of the USSR. Like objective reasons.
    Besides, it’s time to retire, but here is such a present for you to retire!
    Other pensions, of course, come to an end, but who needs them ... repeat
  42. Amper
    Amper 10 February 2016 14: 19
    0
    Quote: uskrabut
    Very sensible move! Instead of learning how to finally fish, we decided to sell a fishing rod and buy food! The government is hot! What breeder brought this breed of monkey-managers?


    The sleep of reason breeds monsters!
    Don’t sleep, COMRADE!
    All to the polls!
  43. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 10 February 2016 15: 39
    0
    Frankly, I don’t care about privatization for a long time. The only thing I am afraid of is that it didn’t work the same way as during the voucher privatization of 90, when people drank vouchers for themselves and for their descendants, and then began to wonder why .
    Conclusion: if you want to save money, turn around. And all this talk about "squandering the remnants of the USSR", in my opinion, is chatter for inciting the population
  44. Cobra77
    Cobra77 10 February 2016 16: 13
    +1
    Well, from the point of view of capitalism and business, now is the time to buy cheap assets. Well, since our large business has serious levers of influence on the government and the Guarantor, and the entire anti-crisis program consists in waiting for it to rebound to $ 100, here is the result. Everything is according to the old scheme, nothing new. Privatization of profits, nationalization of losses ....
  45. skeptic31
    skeptic31 10 February 2016 16: 36
    +1
    So what is this very privatization of today, about which there is so much talk. I respect the economist Glazyev, who tried to somehow slow down this process, but he broke down and started talking about some kind of “honest” privatization. Honest privatization is like a conscientious robber. So still what is happening. But all the same. Already 20 years have passed, and we all continue with the tenacity worthy of another application to step on the same rake. The only thing that has changed is the direct performers, but the scale is smaller. For the rest, this operation is not much different from what Gaidar and Chubais cranked up in the early 90s. In vain, someone believes that Chubais would be able to crank up the so-called "privatization" without the ruble operation carried out by Gaidar. These are two parts of one event. And now Nabiullina collapsed the ruble, and immediately the idea of ​​another privatization surfaced.
  46. skeptic31
    skeptic31 10 February 2016 16: 37
    +2
    Why are our privatizations not real, but so-called. Yes, because this name does not mean the real sale of something to someone, but the most ordinary distribution of especially tidbits of state property to someone who has the right to do so. What determines this right, you understand. Again, why do we know so much about Chubais privatization. Yes, because it was carried out in a great hurry when there was no clear definition of who and what has the right to grab. The invaders fought among themselves and sold their rivals headlong. By the way, there is a very clear example of how such events look in kind. In the West, around once a year, large sales are held in stores. Not to be confused with our sales, we have more of a marketing ploy, and there are real sales, when the cost of goods falls by an order of magnitude. Goods are not so much sold as distributed. As a rule, in this way stores get rid of stale goods. And what is the result? People have been standing since the night, at the opening of shops crushing each other, grabbing everything. So it was with that privatization. Over 25 years, they learned something. Now everything is done carefully, plannedly. Some distribution schemes are drawn up, in which it is prescribed to whom, how much and how. Now the most important stage is the division.
  47. iouris
    iouris 10 February 2016 17: 11
    0
    In Ukraine, the same thing. They say that even the land is already being exported to Sweden.
  48. 31rus
    31rus 10 February 2016 17: 48
    0
    Dear, it seems to me that the problem is much more interesting and deeper, a banal replenishment of the budget, a bunch of certain people want to control and distribute financial flows, while not answering for anything and not investing, Sber Bank, Rosneft, etc., sell to private hands this will allow you to get not a little money, then "cut the cabbage" out of the blue, only a couple of laws must be adopted, which will be done, it turns out the "state" is not responsible for the activities of companies, banks, and money flows, and you dear why will you run around the courts, lawyers and use the product that will be foisted on you without a choice, an example may not be a good one, but it’s a living electric train, sales companies
  49. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 10 February 2016 17: 50
    -2
    Gref is Catholic by religion. Catholics are enemies of Orthodoxy. More cakes, good and different, for Gref! fellow
    1. stopkran
      stopkran 10 February 2016 19: 10
      0
      Nefig spoil his torticakmi - enough shit on the shovel!
  50. Cobra77
    Cobra77 10 February 2016 19: 58
    0
    Quote: 16112014nk
    Gref is Catholic by religion. Catholics are enemies of Orthodoxy. More cakes, good and different, for Gref! fellow


    Hospada ... wassat When you finally understand that religion does not matter in the modern world anywhere except the Arabs, for almost a hundred years. Money, resources and politics matter. We live in an era of triumphant capitalism of the highest standard, when even national interests are less important than money. Religion has long passed into the role of a screen, a scarecrow, a means of manipulation (in the case of the Middle East).