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US Air Force: F-35 will not be able to replace obsolete attack aircraft at least until 2022 g

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The US Air Force Command acknowledged that the newest F-35s cannot replace the A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft (also known as the "Warthog") and asked the legislators for money to extend the life of obsolete machines to at least 2022 g, leads Gearmix message resource ARS Technica.




Pentagon chief Ashton Carter, February 2, said that "A-10 will be replaced by F-35 in stages - the squadron behind the squadron - as new airplanes come into service." However, by that time, the Air Force had already reduced the number of new fighters planned for next year.

According to the resource’s information, experts sound the alarm “regarding the implementation of the F-35 program: despite a number of deficiencies identified in the project, the production of aircraft is proceeding at a high rate.”

In their opinion, the incomprehensible is happening: “before the 2017 of the fiscal year, it is planned to build the 340 of the F-35 aircraft, although its fine-tuning tests are still going on”. In total, up to 2019 g (i.e., prior to the official adoption of the fighter into service), 500 machines will be produced.

“For these aircraft will require a number of modifications in order to ensure the full combat effectiveness of the version of the Block 3F, - experts say. - But these works will not be completed quickly due to the high costs of modernization. And this in turn will lead to significant restrictions in the operation of aircraft for several more years. ”
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 9 February 2016 16: 01
    12
    ..and asked lawmakers for money to extend the life of obsolete cars to at least 2022

    And after 2022, the F-35 will magically turn into a battlefield attack aircraft? In my opinion, the key phrase here is "they asked the legislators for money," and how the US Department of Defense will use these means to master this military secret.
    But this is generally fine
    In total, until 2019 (i.e., before the fighter was officially adopted for service), 500 aircraft will be produced

    "Do you see a gopher? - No - And he is!" (c) Maybe the Yankees will, in private, fly on these miraculous cinders? Like amateur pilots on homemade airplanes. Figures these formalities with adoption.
    1. xavbek7
      xavbek7 9 February 2016 16: 05
      +2
      No, it will be a tank-abrams identity change is necessary))
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 February 2016 16: 05
      +2
      Of course! A tooth fairy arrives, swings the RVV-SD and ...
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 9 February 2016 16: 08
        +4
        In total, up to 2019 (i.e., before the fighter was officially adopted for service), 500 aircraft will be produced.

        Oh, if we had such an opportunity!
        1. VP
          VP 9 February 2016 16: 37
          +2
          There is an opinion that at the Pentagon these opportunities will be constantly reduced, therefore the Lockheeds are pushing the purchases of the unprepared with all their might. For reasons
          1. They can greatly reduce the order, as always at the Pentagon and it happens
          2 The more unfinished they take now, the greater the amount you can get on the alterations and refinements of what they have already taken.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 9 February 2016 19: 20
            0
            I completely agree. They are trying to quickly plant the military on this drug. So that later they’re not gone anywhere.
    3. poquello
      poquello 9 February 2016 16: 08
      +3
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      ..and asked lawmakers for money to extend the life of obsolete cars to at least 2022

      And after 2022, the F-35 will magically turn into a battlefield attack aircraft? In my opinion, the key phrase here is "they asked the legislators for money," and how the US Department of Defense will use these means to master this military secret.

      hammer chisel and forward
    4. User
      User 9 February 2016 16: 09
      +4
      If the problems are with the software, then updating it (when ready) is a minimum of work. But if the problems are in the hardware, then the modernization of all already built aircraft is quite time-consuming.

      In general, the main thing is that all the news about the unavailability of F-35 is not misinformation, in the real situation we did not see it.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 9 February 2016 16: 43
        +1
        The U.S. Air Force command admitted that the latest F-35s cannot replace the A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft ... at least until 2022 ...


        Not, in principle, it is possible to change, however, - without the right to win ...

        Quote: User
        In general, the main thing is that all the news about the unavailability of the F-35 is not misinformation, in real life we ​​did not see him.


        Enough to be seen by the Su-35 and S-400 locators ... yes
      2. Outsmarted
        Outsmarted 9 February 2016 17: 09
        0
        Quote: User
        If the problems are with the software, then updating it (when ready) is a minimum of work. But if the problems are in the hardware, then the modernization of all already built aircraft is quite time-consuming.

        In general, the main thing is that all the news about the unavailability of F-35 is not misinformation, in the real situation we did not see it.

        The problem is in the concept itself. The Americans then burned themselves against the Mig-17 on their Phantoms with only missiles and without guns at the beginning of the Vietnam War. But the theme of universality again takes its toll.

        "According to Michael Gilmore, head of the Operational Test and Evaluation Office, the start of combat tests of the F-35 is shifted by a year - testing of fighters will begin no earlier than August 2018. However, more than 500 the aircraft may leave the assembly line before testing is completed. The final list of modifications to the base model that various units of the US armed forces are requesting for their needs has not been determined either.
        http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/01/29/More-Bad-News-Snakebit-F-35
      3. Iline
        Iline 9 February 2016 17: 43
        0
        In general, some kind of strange hype around this plane. I cannot imagine him as a full-fledged attack aircraft of direct support to troops on the battlefield. Even with all due respect to the electronic stuffing of this aircraft.
        Well this is not a stormtrooper ...
    5. SPACE
      SPACE 9 February 2016 16: 52
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      F-35 will magically transform into a ground attack aircraft

      A stormtrooper is from it, approximately like a ram from a bullet, although you can also use a maize if you wish. And where in this case will his invisibility be? and to shoot a rocket from far away is unnecessary. And in general, with invisibility, seriously counting on it to overcome serious air defense can only be done in cases of the most extreme negligence and overpaid calculations, especially if we are talking about mass use. What kind of universality or uniqueness can be discussed is incomprehensible and does not fly fast and does not fly far well, and does not take much away, it looks more like an airplane for single special operations ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 9 February 2016 17: 19
        -1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        But this is generally fine
        We also have equipment, especially the new generation, which is being transferred to the troops for trial operation before being adopted into service. The closest example is also with the extreme number 5. This is our Su. Delivery began on the 12th year. And 500 is because the planned scale also considerable.
    6. ism_ek
      ism_ek 9 February 2016 17: 09
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      And after 2022, the F-35 will magically turn into a ground attack aircraft?

      The F-35 was originally planned as a multipurpose aircraft, which in particular will replace the "warthog". No need to laugh at the F-35 - this is a truly unique project. This is a universal platform on the basis of which practically all mass American military aviation will be built for the next 50 ... 60 years.
    7. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 9 February 2016 19: 36
      +1
      Bring to mind sooner or later, an impressive number of 500 pieces.
      and about the stormtrooper times of Vietnam .... their products to someone else.
      They are of course golden but to the Americans on the drum with their print stack.
  2. KBR109
    KBR109 9 February 2016 16: 01
    +3
    F-35 is uniquely useful for Russia at least at the cost of its and the planned amount.
  3. denni
    denni 9 February 2016 16: 03
    +1
    Well, I hope and longer.
  4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 February 2016 16: 04
    +7
    Now a lot of people will come again and they will say that in reality the F-35 has long been combat-ready, and those who are not combat-ready, they will be combat-ready this year.
    Go for popcorn or something?
    1. Altona
      Altona 9 February 2016 16: 09
      +5
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Now a lot of people will come again and they will say that in reality the F-35 has long been combat-ready, and those who are not combat-ready, they will be combat-ready this year.
      Go for popcorn or something?

      ---------------------
      This is yes. I even unsubscribed about this magical plane just 3-4 days ago. Now Israel will come in full force and justify this innovative brainchild as fully efficient and combat-ready. I will also follow the show "how spaceships roam the Bolshoi Theater."
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 9 February 2016 16: 56
        0
        Quote: Altona
        Israel in its entirety and will justify this innovative brainchild as fully functional and combat-ready.

        The Israelis will finish it to combat-ready.
      2. Foresterer
        Foresterer 9 February 2016 20: 01
        0
        These Israeli tourists are less likely to go to such branches, they don’t like it here.
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 9 February 2016 16: 09
      +3
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Go for popcorn or something?

      Better than a hundred vodka, it will be more fun and you will save teeth from caries. laughing
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 9 February 2016 16: 55
      0
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Go for popcorn or something?

      The United States promised to announce full combat readiness by August 2016 F-35A, count on popcorn for at least six months.
  5. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 9 February 2016 16: 06
    +2
    Something the Yankees are running low .... the world's largest defense budget, and all of them are "bad". I don't believe them. The most fearsome liars. Hike everyone's eyes blur angry
    1. User
      User 9 February 2016 16: 13
      -1
      All right.
      Do not underestimate the enemy

      stop
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  6. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 9 February 2016 16: 06
    +3
    Quote: KBR109
    Until 2019 (i.e., before the fighter was officially adopted for service), 500 aircraft will be produced.

    A plaque is a fly to land all of them, at least 1000 missiles will be needed. what
  7. Mixweb
    Mixweb 9 February 2016 16: 08
    0
    Quote: KBR109
    F-35 is uniquely useful for Russia at least at the cost of its and the planned amount.

    The F-22 is even more expensive, but the quality is better. And in an extreme case, nothing will prevent you from printing dollars for their purchase. For example, in the event of a war with Russia. For the sake of defeating us, they will sacrifice the dollar as a system and without blinking an eye.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 February 2016 16: 29
      +2
      Quote: Mixweb
      The F-22 is even more expensive, but the quality is better. And in an extreme case, nothing will prevent you from printing dollars for their purchase.

      Any economist will tell you that there is a limit to "printing". And second ... F-22 is no longer produced, and the assembly lines for lizards have been dismantled. To restore this, in addition to time and money, you need to completely redraw the aircraft itself, starting with avionics and ending with the elimination of all "diseases".
      According to Lightning, I will say that the biggest problem of this product is its unexpected cost, and then all the other problems and alterations.
    2. VP
      VP 9 February 2016 16: 43
      0
      Do not confuse the 22nd with a finger)
      The 22nd is a really strong letak. And the 35th is a bubble mill.
      1. Genry
        Genry 9 February 2016 17: 04
        +1
        Quote: VP
        The 22nd is a really strong letak.

        Air-to-surface missiles cannot! Only bombs.
        Due to a weak computing system and a very beautiful (heavy) graphical interface, there is a big delay in the execution of commands and the drawing of operational information. The calculator cannot be accelerated due to a unique processor that does not develop.
        1. VP
          VP 9 February 2016 17: 19
          0
          Well, I'm not saying that he is without flaws. In addition to poor ground work, he also does not have a circular radar survey, for example. And in operation, it is prohibitively expensive.
          But all the same, how exactly is the fighter good?
          1. Genry
            Genry 9 February 2016 17: 37
            0
            It would be good, would not begin to breed a bodyagion with the F-35.
            With the F-22 they pierced a lot, now they show it as a scarecrow, but they don’t want to use it, proudly declaring its redundancy.
            A squadron or a couple is thrown closer to the area of ​​operations, but in case of exacerbation they are immediately removed.
            1. VP
              VP 9 February 2016 20: 59
              +1
              They bred a bootleg because of another.
              35 was supposed to mate by the 22nd.
              But then they decided to make him a generalist. As a result, it comes out more with a strike aircraft than an attack fighter. According to purely flight characteristics, he loses in many ways to the 15th and 16th. But, theoretically, superior in electronics.
              Close air combat is contraindicated to him. The fight at medium distances is also not his element - at distances of 20-30 km it will be visible even to fighters with not the most advanced avionics.
              It is assumed that for air combat his tactics are firing missiles from long distances where he will be invisible to most. But there are two subtleties
              1. The adversary should not have communications with ground-based air defense stations and AWACS that would reduce the situation for him - for those guys we see the 35th in the decimeter range. Or you want the battle to take place in an area that is not blocked by ground-based radars, somewhere above the ocean, for example.
              2. So far, successful launches of explosive missiles imply distances much closer than those indicated in the TTD of long-range missiles. Due to the fact that the seeker of missiles starts working only at the last 10-20 km, and before that, the missile needs to be guided and, therefore, "revealed" from invisibility. If you do not lead, then the target will have time to calmly dump from the area. Well, I am not aware of any cases of an explosive missile being hit further than from a distance of 30 km. I think that if such cases were, then they are extremely rare, the real maximum working distance for combat is just about these 30 km.
              In general, it is unlikely that he will be released into the sky to "conquer domination", and if they do, then with a strong "dance". Unless the MiG-21 is chasing, one is enough for this, so Israel, coupled with its expected strong work on the ground, will be very suitable to nightmare the surrounding Akbar.
    3. spech
      spech 9 February 2016 19: 16
      +1
      The F-22 is even more expensive, but the quality is better. And in an extreme case, nothing will prevent you from printing dollars for their purchase.

      Yeah in the next stall packs are 22nd, the buyer is waiting fool
  8. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 9 February 2016 16: 11
    +1
    Sawing up the budget continues, I mean F35. Continue in the same vein. We crowed, but the morning did not come. And we did not boast loudly and brought SU27 to SU34.
  9. Vadim Zhivov
    Vadim Zhivov 9 February 2016 16: 11
    +1
    hi Some kind of crap ... Whatever news is everywhere "give money" ... I certainly understand they have the most "beggar" military budget ... Their own people are bred and "no shame, no conscience" .. ... tongue
  10. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 9 February 2016 16: 12
    +3
    Who are these experts? Well, why so much fog in the article? The fact that the Block 3F software will begin to be installed from the end of 2017 / the beginning of 2018 is already known. This does not apply to the sub-components of the aircraft, but to its configuration. After the development of 3F, this software will simply be loaded into ready-made aircraft. But the fact that this year they plan to release 54 F35, and the next 80, in 2018 at least 100 cars, and from 2019 to 120 cars annually, this is serious.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 9 February 2016 16: 17
      +2
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      But the fact that this year they plan to release 54 F35, and the next 80, in 2018 at least 100 cars, and from 2019 to 120 cars annually, this is serious.

      Well, Aron definitely won’t scare Russia with that (and Syria too) ... Nicaragua can! hi
      1. 1rl141
        1rl141 9 February 2016 16: 30
        0
        And our Russian Cicero is gray,
        and omnipresent like a mouse
        but he thinks clearly: "Tsyts, Aron!"
        and "Rabinovich, shit!"
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 9 February 2016 16: 32
        +6
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Well, Aron will definitely not scare Russia with this (and Syria too)

        Duc Israelis are the first in line for the "thirty-fifths". Therefore, they are already asleep and see how the super-duper pepelatsy are already standing at their airfields. laughing laughing laughing
        And they will not say to America: What the kidalovo !?
        Who is angry at the Master. Therefore, it remains only to amuse themselves with ghostly illusions about super-Pepelats and stupidly wait lol
        The Canadians have already realized that something is unclean here and are already abandoning these flying coffins (in the future), because what kind of super-plane it is that loses in all its flight parameters, and even the Russians say that all this "invisibility "bullshit! laughing
        F-U-F-L-O !!! laughing
        PS For minus players and other fans of everything American (who has a lamp at home in the corner under a photograph of a Zamvolta, or an F-35, or some Abrams) - remember, there is NEVER a great station wagon! There is either a mediocre "wagon" or an excellent "special". hi drinks
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 9 February 2016 17: 10
        +3
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Well, Aron definitely won’t scare Russia with that (and Syria too) ... Nicaragua can! hi

        Mikhalych, do you really consider Amers to be idiots who are ready to fight the great Nuclear Power? Yes it did not break off. But in regional conflicts we’ll quite see these birds.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 February 2016 16: 36
      +3
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      But the fact that this year they plan to release 54 F35, and the next 80, in 2018 at least 100 cars, and from 2019 to 120 cars annually, this is serious.

      Planning and purchasing, bringing to mind, these are slightly different concepts. The raptors also planned to buy 700 pieces.
      And if you look at such programs as Zimvolt, Sifulf, the same F-35 with the X-47V and many others, then the conversation about the lack of money does not seem so fantastic anymore.
    3. Genry
      Genry 9 February 2016 17: 22
      0
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      The fact that the Block 3F software will begin to be installed from the end of 2017 / the beginning of 2018 is already known. This does not apply to the sub-components of the aircraft, but to its configuration.

      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      But the fact that this year they plan to release 54 F35, and the next 80, in 2018 at least 100 cars, and from 2019 to 120 cars annually, this is serious.

      In Israel, they can no longer restrain from writing boiling water. How not to get burned.
      Here is an example of their enthusiasm for excitement:
    4. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 9 February 2016 17: 25
      +1
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      and since 2019, 120 cars per year, this is serious.

      In Russia in 2014 and 2015, they produce about one hundred combat aircraft per year.
    5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 February 2016 19: 55
      0
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      The fact that the Block 3F software will begin to be installed from the end of 2017 / the beginning of 2018 is already known.

      It is not known only when they FINISH the installation. laughing
  11. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 9 February 2016 16: 16
    +2
    Well, we already discussed this ... Not interesting.
  12. Engineer
    Engineer 9 February 2016 16: 23
    +6
    Something I can not understand how the F-35 is in principle regarded as a replacement for the A-10?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 16: 33
      +1
      Ashton Carter got hooked on tranquilizers again! laughing
    2. VP
      VP 9 February 2016 16: 55
      +2
      And they have a lot of mystery there.
      Well, think about it, they decided to replace them also with the attack plane of the battlefield, what garbage.
      Previously, they generally wanted to replace them all.
      Then, after finding out that as a fighter, he didn’t quite say that he didn’t need to go into close combat, like from a distance he would kill everyone.
      Then, you see, they changed their minds if they are now sawing a circular helmet, a "glass cockpit" that has not fallen anywhere for long-range battles.
      In general, the boys have not yet decided why stick it, but they want that FSE. We are waiting for when we swung to replace them second)
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 9 February 2016 18: 04
        0
        Quote: VP
        Then, you see, they changed their minds if they are now sawing a circular helmet, a "glass cockpit" that has not fallen anywhere for long-range battles.

        In the top ten, there is an AFAR and a supercomputer, but you can see the rockets and the machine gun in the old fashioned way of manually pointing)))
  13. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 9 February 2016 16: 39
    +2
    U.S. Air Force Command Recognizes Newest F-35s Cannot Replace A-10 Thunderbolt II Attack
    I may not understand something, but the A-10 attack aircraft, and the F35 fighter bomber as one can replace the other ?!
    1. VP
      VP 9 February 2016 16: 57
      +1
      He will have a big gun on the internal suspension.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 9 February 2016 17: 27
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      I may not understand something, but the A-10 attack aircraft, and the F35 fighter bomber as one can replace the other ?!

      Fighter bombing assault.
    3. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 9 February 2016 20: 28
      0
      and F35 fighter bomber as one can replace the other ?!
      And you open its bomb compartments and look. It seems to you that these bombs are hanging. But no - this is a bullet megapuh. And all this is not a bomb bay, but patronage. Just a big caliber.
      wassat
    4. Izotovp
      Izotovp 9 February 2016 22: 13
      0
      Haha, of course, I’ll answer: something like Su -... in different versions.
  14. Vega
    Vega 9 February 2016 17: 21
    0
    As they say "handsome" !!
  15. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 9 February 2016 19: 29
    0
    While the Su-35 is long in the sky, and the T-50 is on the way and in 18 will be in service!
  16. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 9 February 2016 20: 58
    0
    "In total, 2019 machines will be produced by 500 (ie, before the fighter is officially adopted)."

    Information for optimists who believe that we are almost equal with the US and can fight with them in the air for an adult. And they have to fig all sorts of different, different papelos, well, and NATO in reserve, of course. So only nuclear weapons, in any other way. Well, develop delivery vehicles, of course.
  17. Wolka
    Wolka 10 February 2016 05: 53
    0
    Hurray, have we really overtaken the Yankees in military aircraft construction, yeah, now they don’t even get in the dust ...