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Dagestan plans to release upgraded anti-aircraft installations

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The Dagdizel plant (Kaspiisk) intends to start production of anti-aircraft guns ZU-23 / 30 М1, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the RIA "Dagestan".




The project ZU-23 / 30 М1 was developed by the Podolsk plant "Spetsmash".

“The designers proposed to equip Soviet-made anti-aircraft guns with Igla and Igla-S missiles, which allow them to hit air targets at a distance of up to 6 kilometers and at altitudes up to 3,5 kilometers. The speed of the effectively hit target in this case reaches 400 meters per second. After the shooting of the two missiles available on the launcher, the installation of new containers takes no more than a few minutes and is carried out by calculation forces, ”the agency writes.

As the press-service of the Podolsk plant reported earlier, “according to the results of practical tests, the probability of hitting air targets is ten times higher than that of the old anti-aircraft gun ZU-23”.

According to experts, "efficiency has been achieved by equipping the installation with automation equipment for combat work (optical-electronic daily unit, digital computing system, instrumentation for receiving and implementing target designation, as well as an electric targeting system)."

Installations can also fire on ground targets, the range of which corresponds to the range of fire at air targets.

In addition, the upgraded memory can work as part of the battery. Automation of the main installation allows you to issue target designation and commands to three "slave" installations that have only "pointing drives and fire control systems."
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Podolsk Electromechanical Plant "PEMZ Spetsmash"
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  1. 31rus
    31rus 9 February 2016 13: 41
    +4
    Dear, what’s needed for this plant? It would be better if you developed new ammunition for the ZSU, then the plant is needed. Of course, for today, it would be possible to make 30mm similar to the ZSU, dual on a movable chassis
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 9 February 2016 13: 43
      +5
      I don’t understand, is the barrel rusty?


      Weapons are certainly necessary, for their army and for sale.

      However, I would like the factories to start producing something for the civilian market.

      Dagdiesel plant - only name left or is it somehow still connected with diesel production?

      We lack good diesel engines, and many other products.
      See what you have to buy abroad, choose what you can produce at home - and beyond.

      Or is the main motive - from the budget, sucking money easier than making money in the open market?

      1. 70BSN
        70BSN 9 February 2016 14: 01
        +2
        Yes, it's all up: the words WHY? WHAT FOR? !!!
        If from the Urals there was a good support of the state for the manufacture of various equipment and large parts WE BECAME HARS ....

        So many shopping centers that words can not find!
      2. frei67
        frei67 9 February 2016 14: 20
        +3
        and he was never connected with diesels
      3. Hey
        Hey 9 February 2016 15: 19
        +3
        This plant produces torpedoes.
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    3. gray_angel
      gray_angel 9 February 2016 14: 28
      +2
      The Dagestan factory "Dagdiesel", at one time produced a torpedo due to which, according to one version, the Kursk exploded and there was infa that the torpedoes were assembled from their old parts ... I hope that they have put things in order
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    5. marlin1203
      marlin1203 9 February 2016 22: 54
      +1
      The practice of using the memory is such that for the last 20 years they have been shooting at it on the ground. They put on tracked and wheeled platforms. Automation is a good thing, but inventing bicycles to sculpt MANPADS on a gun mount is a dubious thought. If you really want to, you can place a trained calculation of the MANPADS near the memory. At the same time, the shelling sector will increase to a circular ... laughing and then there is already "Shell" soldier
  2. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 February 2016 13: 42
    +6
    A creditable thing. Especially if the trunks can be lowered below the horizon.
    And if such a shtukentsiya still put on the car ...
    It is possible that something similar will be presented to us as the invention of the Syrian fighters.
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 9 February 2016 14: 54
      +8
      Quote: Zomanus
      Credit item

      For Syria? Maybe yes. But for our army, why are they? As air defense Zushka for a long time no. How light is the gun? Well, yes, the times have already passed when we put ZU Shishigi memory. Now I would prefer to have a couple of calculations with MANPADS at the battalion level than to carry this tarantass with me.
  3. captain
    captain 9 February 2016 13: 46
    +3
    I am glad that they are modernizing old reliable models of military equipment. We have a sea of ​​tested, good armored vehicles, it is worth spending money on its modernization. New equipment is needed, but it is very expensive.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 9 February 2016 18: 22
      0
      A moot point, in any case, it concerns ZUSHEK!
  4. Smoked
    Smoked 9 February 2016 13: 57
    +2
    With a lowered wheelbase.
  5. Pacifist
    Pacifist 9 February 2016 14: 00
    +1
    hmm ... not happy with another. By and large, we do not need this option of modernization. It is rather an export option and a refinement from those who purchased them from us, but they will find themselves in a jihadmobile at the speed of light and we will have to deal with a bunch of frostbitten armed with these wonderful systems.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 9 February 2016 14: 02
      +7
      Quote: Pacifist
      hmm ... not happy with another. By and large, we do not need this option of modernization.

      Oh?
      We do not need anti-aircraft guns at the battalion level?
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 9 February 2016 14: 28
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        Oh?
        We do not need anti-aircraft guns at the battalion level?

        ... the majority have just a mediocre idea of ​​the regular structure of the air defense of a motorized rifle regiment and battalion, the people below the "Buk" do not go down in reasoning ... the memory in this form is unambiguously good .. from the "Apache" you can scalp and fill the A-10 out bushes ... hi ... and, with regards to the Dagdizel plant, this is torpedo armament and a lot of things useful for the Navy ... hi
        1. Pacifist
          Pacifist 9 February 2016 15: 04
          +2
          Apache, in the area of ​​critical sites, is armored just at the rate of 23mm. But the 30th rips it into the trash anywhere.
          1. KKND
            KKND 9 February 2016 15: 34
            +1
            It is not a problem to shoot an Apache, you just need him to be "stupid", to approach her at 2 kilometers
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 9 February 2016 18: 50
              +1
              Quote: KKND
              It is not a problem to shoot an Apache, you just need him to be "stupid", to approach her at 2 kilometers

              ... of course, come nearer ... but where to go ... to work out with 70 NARmi, will it be necessary or will the HELPAHERS storm the entrenched infantry ?! ... laughing ... NAR has an effective aiming range of 2 km ... and with 4 it’s like throwing a handful of peas at a target ... that is useless ... that is, ZU 23-2 will in any case provide barrage anti-aircraft fire and will not allow to strike aiming strike ... this is not a computer shooter ... this is the cutting edge ... soldier
          2. Inok10
            Inok10 9 February 2016 18: 52
            +1
            Quote: Pacifist
            Apache, in the area of ​​critical sites, is armored just at the rate of 23mm. But the 30th rips it into the trash anywhere.

            ... and, the components of the Helfaer’s suspension bracket, NAR, the cannon, the radar, its screws are also armored? ... if the scalp doesn’t take off, it will shake so that it takes a long time to treat Apache ... laughing
        2. KKND
          KKND 9 February 2016 15: 12
          +6
          "Apache" will most likely fill it with "Hellfire" with 8 kilometers.
          Generally a very controversial modification of the old ZU-23.
          On the one hand, our designers did not sit idle and upgraded the ZU-23, which is a definite plus. There was the possibility of firing at night, guidance from the command post, the range expanded to 6 km. (due to missiles), guidance drives appeared, calculation was reduced.
          But now for the cons:
          The firing range of the guns is 2,5 km, the height is 1,5 km. A Thunderbolt with a cannon would rather shoot her than she would knock him down. Of course, missiles have a range of 6 km in reach, but the effectiveness of MANPADS against aircraft is very small. And do you need "Needles" on it at all? A person with MANPADS is more difficult to spot from the air than such a stationary installation. I think it is obvious to everyone that the person is "stealth" in the IC compared to the ZU-23/30 M1, which weighs in the region of a ton (exact data are not available).
          Then, mobility compared to self-propelled guns is low ~ 30 km \ h on the dirt road. Change position longer.
          The effectiveness of firing from guns is also questionable. For "ZSU-23-4M5", the probability of hitting targets of 0,5 is estimated at 300-600 shells. At twice the rate of fire and radar. There is 100 rounds of ammunition.
          But the most important thing is the price. Thermal imager, tracking machine, guidance drives, laser rangefinder.
          And all this can easily be lost only because the firing range of the cannons is 2,5 km.
          That leaves a niche for her application from "ambush".
          Not much.
      2. Pacifist
        Pacifist 9 February 2016 15: 03
        +1
        Needed, but needed a system with ammunition of greater power. At least 2x30 + willow, but this is an outdated option. The same NATO standards provide as a standard for the protection of battlefield aviation, 23mm caliber protection.
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 February 2016 15: 23
        10
        Quote: Spade
        Oh?
        We do not need anti-aircraft guns at the battalion level?

        Anti-aircraft gunners needed.
        But this is not an anti-aircraft gun. This is a mutant that has combined all the worst features of ancestors.
        MANPADS on it loses mobility and secrecy. The small effective range and the power of the ammunition of the 23-mm AZP makes all the aiming drives meaningless. Plus - the need for external nutrition and mass growth.
        Return the MANPADS with the tablet to the standard calculation - let it strikes aerial targets with a probability ten times higher than that of the old ZU-23 anti-aircraft gun. And if you really want MZA, then you need to do it on the basis of a 30-mm gun. smile

        At present, the ZU-23 is, rather, a weapon for combating infantry and light armored vehicles. But not the anti-aircraft gun.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 February 2016 17: 40
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Return MANPADS

          They will not be able to fight with UAVs or with precision weapons ... Only scare.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 10 February 2016 10: 13
            0
            Quote: Spade
            They will not be able to fight with UAVs or with precision weapons ... Only scare.

            So ZU-23/30 M1 can do just the same. Because it’s the same MANPADS + ZU-23 with an effective range of about one and a half kilometers.
  6. hartlend
    hartlend 9 February 2016 14: 06
    0
    It’s more likely not to release, but to upgrade or assemble from components. In general, paired with missiles, this is an effective weapon and not very heavy, there are carriers.
  7. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 9 February 2016 14: 09
    +1
    I wonder why this is? Well besides what looks cool. What scope? Guns operate at 2km, rockets at 4km. American helicopters operate at 6-10km. Planes - how lucky. Remain drones, missiles with infrared seeker you can’t hit them, even capture will not. So only in the hope of a helicopter-plane accidentally flying into the affected area, it is not very impressive, despite the fact that the rockets are decent. Plus, missiles have their own specifics of guidance-tracking-capture, it is not very simple and logical to twist the entire installation when the guns need to be fired in the opposite direction.
    1. Blondy
      Blondy 9 February 2016 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      I wonder why this is? Well besides what looks cool. What scope?

      Yes, here the main thing for females is that the plant in Dagestan -im somehow need to live. It’s hardly capable of anything sensible plant, and so they’ll cut something.
      1. glasha3032
        glasha3032 9 February 2016 15: 00
        0
        Just now, they were bombarded on the topic of the mass appearance of weapons samples, duplicating the already tested ones, standing in production and showing remarkable properties in military operations. And here is another such, in principle, not a necessary sample of weapons. Instead of allocating money to ACCELERATE the production of air defense systems, the purchase of missiles to counteract the global blow, they suggest allocating money for such a miracle weapon ...
    2. Forest
      Forest 9 February 2016 14: 50
      +1
      Apache works near the ground, the ceiling is 6 km, but usually does not rise above 300-500 m - it works on the basis of a popped-up shot. And not only with the Americans, we can fight.
  8. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 9 February 2016 14: 23
    +2
    Also did not understand the meaning of this prodigy.
  9. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 9 February 2016 14: 23
    +2
    intends to establish the production of anti-aircraft installations ZU-23/30 M1
    I wonder if there is an order from our Ministry of Defense or will they be doing it for export? As I understand it, this is an expensive modernization. Adding a missile part, guidance means and integration into a single network will cost. Such an installation and think about putting on "shishiga" and forward to support Infantry. We have many of these in the brigade. It was always thought that this ZUSHKA would not help much if the command post, posts and firemen would fall asleep with "Tomahawks." will be the most TO!
    1. Forest
      Forest 9 February 2016 14: 51
      +2
      A cruise missile is too expensive a thing to spend on every little thing in the form of roadblocks and single defense points.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 9 February 2016 15: 25
        0
        RLposts and firearms of an air enemy of frontal submission.
        1. Forest
          Forest 9 February 2016 16: 33
          0
          Aviation will be allowed to do so.
  10. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 9 February 2016 14: 26
    0
    Quote: chunga-changa
    I wonder why this is? Well besides what looks cool. What scope? Guns operate at 2km, rockets at 4km. American helicopters operate at 6-10km. Planes - how lucky. Remain drones, missiles with infrared seeker you can’t hit them, even capture will not. So only in the hope of a helicopter-plane accidentally flying into the affected area, it is not very impressive, despite the fact that the rockets are decent. Plus, missiles have their own specifics of guidance-tracking-capture, it is not very simple and logical to twist the entire installation when the guns need to be fired in the opposite direction.

    And the protection of field command posts including from the air, is it no longer needed?! From any such considerations?! And this installation is capable of multipurpose actions in skilled hands!
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 9 February 2016 16: 13
      +2
      this is not air defense, but anonism. a trivial fighter with a MANPADS in terms of protection costs as much as this device. if we are talking about universality, then it’s enough to call it a universal cannon mount or something like that. But, I'm afraid that the design will change dramatically. It is one thing to use the existing junk, adapting it to your needs, and it is another thing to actively cut the loot, trying to breathe new life into the junk.
  11. ava09
    ava09 9 February 2016 14: 26
    +1
    Quote: 31rus
    Dear, what’s needed for this plant? It would be better if you developed new ammunition for the ZSU, then the plant is needed. Of course, for today, it would be possible to make 30mm similar to the ZSU, dual on a movable chassis


    The plant is still needed, would you even think for what and to whom ZUShki is the best weapon? And the budget is not bad for this business.
  12. Shm
    Shm 9 February 2016 14: 35
    0
    A relative works at this plant, the situation there is deplorable, there are cuts every day, there are no orders, there are practically no young people, some old people are left, they make every little thing.
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 9 February 2016 15: 11
      0
      There is nothing of the kind in the country (after the 2010 fires it turned out that there was no fire-fighting equipment for villages, towns and small towns!) - and here the WHOLE UNDISINFORCED PLANT IS STILL! Load the production of missiles to the S-400, but not this miracle ...
  13. tchoni
    tchoni 9 February 2016 14: 40
    +4
    maybe it is not worth producing weapons in "those" republics? The people there are bad, hot, spermotaxicosis in their young years tormented ... no matter what happens. There is also an article on this topic ...
  14. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 9 February 2016 14: 43
    -1
    The plant must be supported by orders, specialists and facilities. Now is not the time to scatter factories, but the situation there is sad, but it can be restored and raised at the level of state support.
  15. Wedmak
    Wedmak 9 February 2016 14: 59
    +2
    Something I did not catch the point of this modernization. Isn't it easier to give out two MANPADS to fighters? This installation is outdated already. Both mentally and physically.
  16. Marconi41
    Marconi41 9 February 2016 15: 01
    +3
    How many members of the forum are there still talking about the army at the level of the 1st Chechen company. "Put on shishiga, crumble in dust"! So maybe we’ll throw out all our Willows and Arrows? We will write off new BMPs, Tunguska in figs, but we will change to the GAZ-66, at the same time we will put the ZUShka there? Whatever it was, but the ZU-23 is old! It can be exported anywhere in Africa, no more.
  17. matross
    matross 9 February 2016 15: 08
    +3
    In Ukraine, this news would be considered good ...
  18. gergi
    gergi 9 February 2016 15: 35
    +1
    Wonderful machine, simple and tasteful. The new aiming system will increase efficiency in two. 23 mm is a wonderful caliber, if anyone understands. Easy, you can put on any brick house, of which we have a bunch of thuja. Cruise missiles on the span can be hollowed if you know where it came from.
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 9 February 2016 16: 06
      0
      Quote: gergi
      Cruise missiles on the span can be hollowed if you know where it came from.

      And how many training CDs were shot down by Zushka ??? For such a feat, even the Carapace with its artillery cannot always be matched. Even the training aircraft was not able to fill up with artillery, and the memory can handle 100 percent.
  19. Cananecat
    Cananecat 9 February 2016 16: 10
    0
    Most agree with everyone. The last use of ZUSHKA is the mountains of Chechnya in terms of enemy manpower, but by no means air defense. So, the modernization was carried out for delivery to the banana republics. For the same Syria, the set with Needles is already outdated.
    1. marshes
      marshes 9 February 2016 17: 00
      0
      Quote: Canecat
      . So the modernization was carried out for delivery to the banana republics

      "Banana", instead of n p laughing the republic is waiting, may Allah, Dagestan, after all, succeed. smile
      In general, the "outdated" weapon is a time-tested success.
      Still Dagdiesel KPVT would begin to produce, for the DUM, etc. ... It is desirable with good quality.
  20. alone
    alone 9 February 2016 17: 22
    +2
    MANPADS on it somehow is not the topic. You can build a separate stand and put 4 MANPADS on it. Better yet, put it all on the "Tiger". There will be a very mobile installation that fired a shot and immediately changed its position.
    1. marshes
      marshes 9 February 2016 17: 42
      0
      Quote: lonely
      MANPADS on it as something off topic

      Yes, it’s ok, Gazovsky Sadko will be not bad as a mobile chassis. MANPADS is an addition.
      The weapon, after all, is not for regular workers, but for "partisans", storekeepers.
  21. 31R-US
    31R-US 9 February 2016 17: 41
    0
    In Dagestan there is the highest point "Mount Bazarduzu" about 4,5 km plus 2,5 zushka for a total of 7000 km, so if you raise the zushka up the mountain, then you can not only shoot down the Apaches, but also low-flying missiles. to Everest eh?
  22. Stas157
    Stas157 9 February 2016 17: 54
    +2
    This weapon is for ISIS, but not for our army! They would love to buy! For our army, this stuff is no longer relevant! With whom to argue?))