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Lamp mr. Why is electricity so expensive in Russia?

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Against the background of rising gasoline, no one is surprised that electricity tariffs are rising, despite the depreciating energy sources. Although the kilowatt-hour in Russia is already more expensive than in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus and even Italy. And this difference is reflected in the cost of each loaf of bread or tank “Armata” is the saddest way for the Russian economy. The fact that electricity prices seem to be taken from the ceiling was clearly expressed by the residents of the capital of Armenia in the summer of 2015, forcing the Russian supplier of Inter RAO to leave the local market. In Russia itself, millions of consumers are also sure that they are being deceived. But they don’t understand exactly how and what they should do now.





"Treatment" by electricity

In the settlement of Nizhnyaya Oselki (Leningrad Region), almost all owners of private houses are at a loss. I calculated a resident electricity consumption by the meter - like 7 thousand rubles have to be paid. Suddenly electricians come and stun - you have 47 thousand of debt. Going to understand the office of a sales company in Sertolovo - are sentenced to pay 17 thousand. Debtors are often called by a robot with a reminder of the total amount of debt: today - 50 thousand rubles, tomorrow - 18 thousand, the day after tomorrow - 60 thousand. People feel the catch: they can't jump numbers like that! Moreover, debt tends to not only grow, but also decline without any prepayments.

For debt in 30 – 40 thousand rubles electricity is disconnected, despite the cold weather. Peterburg Sales Company agrees to return the light to the house only if the debt is fully repaid - not half of them are satisfied, even if tomorrow is the New Year, and a family with small children has no other housing.

“The situation with electricity was one of the main reasons why we sold the house in Nizhny Oselki,” Ekaterina said. - In a house where no one lived, there was a debt of more than 40 thousand, the electricity was cut off. Let's go to Sertolovo to understand: how do you argue them? De jure, everything is correct: someone took the readings from our meter, the accounting department calculated according to the formula known to them. There is no independent arbiter, and we have no facts to appeal. That all the neighbors have accounts the same surprise is not an argument. The last straw was the promise of the sales company to turn on the electricity on the same day if paid. But it turned out that it includes another organization for a fee on their written prescription within five working days. And we must go bow down from Sertolovo to Garbolovo for 30 km. Buses do not go. And tomorrow is the New Year.

At the office of the Petersburg Sales Company in Sertolovo, they insist on the need to fight defaulters. And an error in the calculations is excluded, because the calculus is engaged in an impartial computer. In addition, consumers themselves can steal energy from each other, and quite wealthy people, good neighbors often commit this.

Power engineers usually give the impression of self-confident people who are not afraid of being grabbed by the hand. In the media it was reported that in the same Leningrad Oblast the suppliers of Petersburg Sales Company and RKS-Energo once presented an ultimatum to the governor. If the housing and communal enterprises of the region do not return the billionth debt to them, they will leave residents without water by turning off the electricity at the local Vodokanal. What should the governor do? Declare war on energy? But the owner of the same Petersburg Sales Company is the energy giant Inter RAO, where the key figures recorded are Igor Sechin and Boris Kovalchuk. Do not really fight. Perhaps, therefore, about serious
No other criminal cases involving electricity trade are heard. But on tapes News full of messages about the next joint briefing by the prosecutor's office and the electricity supplier, at which they threaten to flip flippers to the next debtor.

At the same time, the security forces do not at all strive to disassemble where these debts came from. For example, on the Internet, residents of a small gardening complain about the inaction of the authorities. The meter readings at the substation are greater than the sum of the meter readings of all 15 houses, the consumption of lamps and the loss in the overhead line. Every month, extra 10 thous. KWh are heated. Perhaps, instead of the neutral wire, a tap to ground is used, and the meter does not work. Or just threw the wire. People are trying to check the load with a clamp meter (such measurements have a large error) and make unscheduled checks. All arrows point to the substation, but the energy supervisor does not want to witness the findings of gardeners. And without the appropriate conclusion and the police will not move.

Ways to chemize with a lot of electricity supplies. The main principle is that its total number cannot be registered. If you loaded ten tractors into the train, and drove five, then everything is simple - five pieces were stolen along the way. For power engineers, this logic does not work, and billions can be written off for the loss of electricity.

According to Rostekhnadzor, over a third of all energy resources in the country are irretrievably lost or used inefficiently. A candidate of technical sciences, Valentin Krasnik described these tricks in the book "101 way of electricity theft", 50 years working on positions from an electrician to the inspector of power supervision.

“In the outback, where gasification is absent and the houses are heated with electric heaters, the meters record only 10 – 15% of the electricity consumed,” says Valentin Krasnik. - Low solvency of the population and growth of tariffs contribute to the growth of electricity theft, the methods of which are constantly being improved. I admit that many supervisors look at it through their fingers - who will pass their.

Apparently, the largest market participants also do not seek openness. On the Petersburg Sales Company website, in the “Information Disclosure” column, the latest available report on electricity volumes dates back to April 2012. And information about the number and value of contracts - May of the same year.

Exile from RAW

Under the USSR, everything looked more transparent: industrial enterprises paid 2 pennies per kilowatt-hour, and the population - 4 pennies. There was the Unified Energy System of the country, where the same power plants alternately fed consumers in different time zones as day and night changed there, which allowed them to save power. The profitability of the power supply system reached 15% - which was quite enough for its reproduction and development. In 1992, the desire of the authorities to maintain control over the energy sector was expressed in the creation of a natural monopoly, RAO UES of Russia. By 2004, RAO companies owned 72% of installed capacity in the country and transported 96% electricity.

However, the effectiveness of work under the leadership of Anatoly Chubais fell even in comparison with Soviet times. In 2002, economist Andrei Illarionov called RAO UES “a national disgrace,” because in just two years the company's market capitalization had fallen by a factor of three — by $ 6 billion. With an increase in the number of employees, labor productivity also decreased. Prime Minister Viktor Zubkov acknowledged that RAO UES artificially inflates the tariffs for connecting to the networks of small businesses. And the head of the Federal Energy Commission, Georgi Kutovoy, was confident that electricity tariffs could be reduced by 30 – 40% by improving the company's performance. It was said about the banal theft. The total funds received from the sale of energy assets of RAO UES reached 30 billion dollars, of which the budget received almost nothing. In the Far East, electricity was driven to China for export, and new Russian consumers have been waiting for the connection for years. In general, reform has matured.

Or rather, the smell section of the pie of unprecedented proportions. Under the control of the state should remain network, distribution and dispatching activities, which implies only costs. And for private owners opened Eldorado - generation and sales. Generating companies, with the exception of RusHydro and Rosenergoatom, were privatized in just two years, although it took up to five years for an ordinary homeowner to simply connect to a pole a hundred meters from the house. In 2007, almost half of the power plants passed into private hands, and a year later RAO split into independent companies, only two of which were state-owned.

It cannot be said that private owners were completely untied: stable tariffs remained for military and other strategic facilities. But gradually the power engineers got the right to switch off the same Vodokanal on 90% for debts. In 2002, when Chubais was just beginning to reform RAO UES, electricity in Moscow cost 90 kopecks per kWh. And since July 2015, the capital has paid 5,03 rubles per kilowatt. The difference was 5,5 times although before the reform, Anatoly Chubais promised many miracles, including a reduction in electricity prices by half in three years! Instead, a wild regional imbalance was received: in 2015, Buryatia paid 4 rubles per kilowatt, and the neighboring Irkutsk region - 84 kopeks.

Today, the other results of the reform are in full view. In 2012, the head of the supervisory board of the Energy Consumer Community, Alexander Starchenko, noted that the networkers themselves had announced the allocation of additional 3 trillion rubles for some "investment programs to improve network reliability." At that time, the entire defense budget was 2 trillion rubles, and at 3,5 trillion it is possible to overhaul all multi-storey residential buildings in the country. Over the previous five years, network companies have already spent the same 3 trillion on similar goals from the 5 – 6 trillions collected from consumers. What is the result?

- About the results of investments says only one point - “loss reduction”. Losses have fallen by just 0,5 – 1%, says Alexander Starchenko. - At the same time, more than half of the tariff is made up of the costs of distribution grid companies, which bring electricity to the final consumer. At the regional level, networkers' appetites are not limited by anything. The costs per unit of serviced networks in a large holding may be several times higher than in a more modest company located in a neighboring entity.

It turns out that power engineers spend huge amounts of money on upgrading networks, the results of which are invisible to the eye. And tariffs for citizens grow in parallel with these investments. Until last year’s collapse of the ruble, the Russians had already paid at the level of the United States or Italy - countries with a much more affluent population and non-declared “great energy powers”. True, according to RIA "Rating" experts, by November 2015 Russia was among the top three European countries with the cheapest electricity. But when the World Bank assessed the availability of electricity, Russia was in the 184-th place of the 185 possible. Worse things were only in Madagascar.

Moreover, the methodology of this rating is absolutely transparent. It takes a typical two-story warehouse on the outskirts of the capital. How much time and money do you need to spend so that it acquires the electrical power of 140 kW? It turned out that in Moscow for this you need to lay out 200 thousand dollars and spend 281 day. Of course, if you do not solve the issue with bribes.

But the most important failure of energy reform is striking not just business, but simple consumers. Promoting the privatization of the energy sector at the beginning of the 2000s, the management of RAO UES has assured that we can, like the British, compare tariffs with different distribution companies and switch to another supplier with one click of the mouse, as if it were a cellular operator. The problem is not even that by 2016 nothing like this happened. We just move in the opposite direction.

Interesting fact


In 2013, a St. Petersburg businessman, Grigory Khibovsky, made several shots at the office of the State Unitary Enterprise “Lensvet”, after which he committed suicide. Desperately driven to despair, Khibovsky left a detailed description of the facts of corruption in organizations under the jurisdiction of the Committee on Energy and Engineering Support of St. Petersburg. However, even such a radical way of paying attention to the problems did not help: none of the defendants in Khibovsky's letter became an accused in criminal cases.

Master Fetishchev's visa

A resident of the Lower Oselkov one click of a mouse can only pay for electricity. Unless, of course, he did not turn off the Internet along with the light. Everything else from the start is deliberately overwhelming.

Petersburg, Irina, buying a house in Oselki, could not imagine that it might not be connected to the electricity grid - after all, almost Peter, 15 km before Kad. It turned out that the bulbs were burning because the house was illegally powered from neighbors. Although there was a branch along the border of the site, the local Lenenergo stubbornly asserted that there were no facilities at the substation. And the neighbors for some reason they have?

“So we lived for five years, but in 2009, Lenenergo announced an“ amnesty, ”says Irina. - That is, we can recognize that we took energy from our neighbors and nothing will happen for us. Let's go to Pushkin, have been looking for the street, which is not even on the map. An employee of this mysterious office showed us a block diagram on four pages - these are the steps of approvals that were to be completed. And then she gave business cards to people who could help for 200 thousand rubles. True, in the regional Lenenergo in Sertolovo we were reassured: if we do it ourselves, 50 thousands will be released. We were treated favorably, because we agreed to work with the company of the sons of one of the Sertol managers - they set up a pillar for us. But still, I had to go from St. Petersburg to Sertolovo 20 – 25 once, and the entire barrel organ lasted for six months. Among the countless approvals, a master Fetishchev’s visa was required at the Rosseti branch office in Garbolovo. And he has no visiting hours at all. I was only told that he would be at a gas station in Vaskelovo in 15 minutes. I rushed to the wild speed: I see, the special vehicle is already driving off the gas station. I interrupted - blocked the exit of the entire gas station, Fetishchev signed without looking. Later, I had a dream: I was flying to Greece for a holiday, and the border guard looks at my passport and suddenly throws it in my face: “How dare you ?! And where is the master Fetishchev's visa? ”

There is no legal alternative to this quest. Even if you want to install some wind turbine in your territory, it is even more difficult to register it. And this is not only the whim of Sertolovsk power engineers - according to such rules all Russia lives for some reason. In some places they are even much tougher. There are cases when ordinary residents who pay their bills on time have turned off the light for some intermediary’s debts. And sometimes the shutdown of the enterprise from electricity looks like a component of a raider attack.

The authorities do not notice all this? By no means! In December, the 2011 of Vladimir Putin, right on the Day of the Power Engineer, arranged a grand dressing, which caused eight loud resignations the very next day. In particular, the national leader said: “Of all the 352 people tested by the executive staff of the energy complex at 169 officials - almost every second - has affiliation with 385 commercial organizations, except, of course, for those where they already work. It is far from isolated cases when the energy complexes of entire regions of the Russian Federation are controlled simply by family clans ... Well, absolutely go crazy already! Sorry, just no other words ... "

According to Putin, the energy system of the North Caucasus region is controlled by Mr. Kaitov’s family. Consumers pay for the energy supplied to the accounts of affiliated firms that act as an agent for energy supply companies. One of the managers of the Urals branch of JSC FGC UES, Nikitin, also established five companies related to the repair and maintenance of local energy facilities. For several years, the state-owned RusHydro has been providing multibillion-dollar loans and buying interest-free bills of exchange from some offshore company located in Cyprus. In the Central Federal District, there is a scheme for the withdrawal of energy from offshores - as much as 25 billion rubles have surpassed. Vladimir Vladimirovich called dozens of names and organizations that evening, and no one subsequently sued him for libel.

On the other hand, we did not see any high-profile criminal cases: the cleaning of the industry was limited to resignations, which did not change much. According to the director of the Russian Center for Transparency International Elena Panfilova, no systematic legislative work to prevent such situations.because the authorities are afraid of such precise regulation as fire. In the course of a one-time campaign, you can dismiss anyone who wants to, but not touch their own.

Nobody touched the former top managers of RAO UES, which today appear on the Forbes list. For example, Mikhail Abyzov, Deputy Chubais in Finance, took 2012 in the 76 ranking with a fortune of 1,2 billion dollars. Its main asset was the group of companies RU-COM, which included in 2007 the engineering, construction and energy divisions of the abolished RAO UES. And three years ago, Abyzov became a “minister without a portfolio” - advisor to the president of the Russian Federation on work with the “Open Government”.

And the latest high-profile cases against power engineers give out more like a fight between bulldogs under the carpet than a systemic fight against corruption. In August, 2015 in Murmansk put energy magnate Gennady Shubin, who was close to the previous governor, on 12 for years, and was not about to give up their positions. And in Tver for the second year, the owners of power grid assets Oleg Shadrin, Sergey Konchenkov and Artyom Potekhin are in jail. It is significant that the case was initiated by a local monopolist, and the FSB was involved in its investigation.

Usually, the real fight against corruption has different results. As a result of genuine ordering, tariffs, which experts admit to almost half-blown, would have collapsed. Connecting a private house to networks would be made, as in neighboring Finland, by electronic application and would cost 100 euros. The websites of market participants would timely publish the budget and other financial indicators. And the leaders of the state segment of the industry announced information about the business of family members, as if the most ordinary deputies of the State Duma.


Not in the horse world

According to the Statistical Review of World Energy, in 2014, in terms of power generation, Russia shared 4 – 5 ranks with Japan, behind the United States, China and India.

Russia produced 1,064 kWh, which is twice as large as France and four times smaller than the United States. In terms of per capita output, we are at the same level as Germany and Denmark. And although we did not reach our own level of 1990 (1,082 GW · h), Russia could be called an energy-safe country, if not for the situation with the "loss" of electricity and the inaccessibility of many areas.

At the same time, resource-saving forms of energy production are poorly used in Russia. In the 21st century, only two new hydropower plants were commissioned - Bureyskaya and Boguchanskaya. And the latter began to build more under the USSR. Although Russia has a huge potential of sea and ocean bays with tidal heights in 10 meters, tidal power stations have not developed. The powerful Mezenskaya and Penzhinsk TPPs have been in the design stage since the Brezhnev era, although the construction of each of them would lead to annual fuel savings of 12,6 mln tonnes of “equivalent fuel” and prevent the release of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

Of the 56 geothermal deposits, only 20 is used. And the economic potential of wind energy is about 260 billion kWh per year - that is, about 30% of the production of all power plants in Russia.
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  1. vglazunov
    vglazunov 9 February 2016 21: 41
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    Why is electricity so expensive in Russia? Answer: crooks like Chubais and other oligarchy need to be fed.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 9 February 2016 21: 43
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      Why is gas more expensive

      When oil rises in price, gasoline rises in price because it is made from oil.
      When oil goes down, oil companies raise gas prices to make up for losses due to cheap oil.
      When the price of oil is stable, gasoline rises due to inflation.

      laughing wassat bully
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 9 February 2016 21: 59
        78
        When oil is getting cheaper, gas prices are falling in Europe, in the United States, in China, and rising only in Russia, despite being overstocked with hydrocarbons.
        When the price of oil falls, the salaries of the management of foreign oil companies, except for Russian ones, decrease.
        1. sovetskyturist
          sovetskyturist 9 February 2016 23: 35
          +8
          The facts are like a drawbar, where you turned there and it turned out. They don’t want to tell the people the truth, all the more so, globalizers will not want to share resources with mere mortals.
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 10 February 2016 00: 47
            67
            Why is electricity so expensive in Russia? Answer: crooks like Chubais and other oligarchy need to be fed.

            Hands off Comrade Chubais! I propose to kick him exclusively! laughing
            1. sam19730
              sam19730 10 February 2016 04: 56
              21
              Well, then right away, then we are civilized people !!! It’s necessary to beat with bits, like in Europe and America on which authorities like to nod !!!
              1. Archon
                Archon 10 February 2016 07: 48
                22
                I will vote for this thing for punishment.
            2. the polar
              the polar 10 February 2016 06: 42
              39
              Quote: Thrall
              Why is electricity so expensive in Russia? Answer: crooks like Chubais and other oligarchy need to be fed.

              Hands off Comrade Chubais! I propose to kick him exclusively! laughing

              And why do we always offer to beat only one Chubais for everything and for everyone?
              And why did they choose the president with his government, if Chubais is in charge of all affairs anyway?
              Can, together with Chubais, let the entire top run into consumption, for an optimal solution?
              1. atarix
                atarix 11 February 2016 14: 42
                +1
                in this particular case, most of the blame is on Red
            3. user
              user 10 February 2016 17: 02
              15
              Why is electricity so expensive in Russia?


              Because the VP has only security officials and "effective managers" in the team, because in the government there are either multimillionaires with billionaires or persons who are affiliated with them, who can only take and divide, and among themselves, and not in favor of the state, but cannot run the state and always confusing the state pocket with his own.
            4. uragan114
              uragan114 10 February 2016 21: 47
              +1
              Quote: Thrall
              Why is electricity so expensive in Russia? Answer: crooks like Chubais and other oligarchy need to be fed.

              Hands off Comrade Chubais! I propose to kick him exclusively! laughing


              And current, current wassat
            5. KVS
              KVS 11 February 2016 08: 56
              0
              exclusively democratic phalluses)))
          2. guznorodov
            guznorodov 10 February 2016 06: 42
            0
            And now look what is happening in Ukraine with nuclear plants, their Americans take control under their control to kill them. what was this uncle talking about.
        2. swan
          swan 9 February 2016 23: 50
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          http://autotraveler.ru/spravka/benzine-in-europe.html#.VrpLL_mLRmM

          Data on gas prices in Europe.
          At the bottom there is a graph of price changes (average, the price of Russia and Belarus, the campaign included there).
          Take the most popular 95th gasoline.
          February 2014 - 1.35 euros per liter, oil 108 bucks per barrel.
          February 2016 - 1.09 euros per liter, oil 33,5 bucks per barrel.

          And recall, this is the average price! It seems to be even taking into account Russia and Belarus.
          In Italy, the Netherlands and Norway (in which oil is produced not much less than in Russia), one and a half euros, and in Poland and the Czech Republic, 0.9 each with a tail.
          In Russia 0.43
          In Belarus 0.53

          At the same time, let's take a closer look at the price of gasoline in Russia!
          In February 2014, 32.7 per liter of the 95th. Not bad. And how much was the Euro? 48.2 rubles.
          Those. it turns out that at that time the liter of the 95th was 0.68 Euro per liter!
          And now in February 2016, I recall 0.43 Euro per liter! (approximately 36.5 rubles per liter at a rate of 85 rubles per euro)

          And what happens? What is most of all the decrease in the average gas price in Europe, just the same, was affected by the REDUCTION of gas prices in Russia! If you count in Euro.
          Para-para-pam! laughing

          I'm not even talking about the fact that in those 2 years that oil fell from 108 bucks to 33 bucks, gasoline fell in price by only a few cents (about 10-15%) and all this is only "on average" (taking into account the "fall" in the price of gasoline in Russia). And it still remained 2-3 times more expensive than in Russia, even in those countries where their own oil is in bulk (Norway, read about their level of production - you will be stunned).
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 10 February 2016 00: 21
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            Quote: kugu
            At the same time, let's take a closer look at the price of gasoline in Russia!

            Yeah, come on!
            And even more carefully consider what in Russia they pay salaries and pensions, in rubles or euros?
            And what's the point for a simple resident of Russia, that in parrots Evrah gasoline cheaper?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 10 February 2016 00: 37
              -49 qualifying.
              Quote: Wheel
              Yeah, come on!
              And even more carefully consider what in Russia they pay salaries and pensions, in rubles or euros?
              And what is the point for a simple resident of Russia that in parrots evra gasoline cheaper?

              Wheel..

              - "everything is getting more expensive, only life is getting cheaper" - the phrase is still from the Union, challenge .. if you wish ..
              - hydrocarbons, including gasoline is a product that costs the same all over the world .. and if gasoline in the Emirates (in dollars !!) is cheap, it means that it is subsidized by the state.

              The SAME happens in the Russian Federation. And with the rent. And with public transport. And with gasoline, Mlyn ..

              Only there is such a science - Dima-Gogia .. which teaches loudly yelling - MOM !! They robbed us !!

              Yes, they have not robbed you yet .. calm down .. I say as a person who can earn 150 pieces a month (during the 3-x months like this - five), and then live on 10-12 (including rent, dog and cat) for of the year..

              Stop yelling already .. tired, believe ..
              1. Wheel
                Wheel 10 February 2016 01: 16
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                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Yes, they have not robbed you yet .. calm down .. I say as a person who can earn 150 pieces a month (during the 3-x months like this - five), and then live on 10-12 (including rent, dog and cat) for of the year..

                Stop yelling already .. tired, believe ..

                Cat.
                If you only knew how tired I am of such optimistic cheers like you!

                I have lived not a small life already, I have a basis for comparison.
                And to say that we were not robbed can only be a narcissistic id'iot (sorry for my French hi ).
                I am infinitely happy for your 150 pieces, so rejoice also for you for my 8,5 pensions and three heart attacks.
                And for the hospital at 60km.
                Therefore, I do not care about all prices in parrots, especially in the emirates, I am interested in the price in rubles and in Russia.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 10 February 2016 01: 46
                  +7
                  Quote: Wheel
                  I have lived not a small life already, I have a basis for comparison

                  I'm still small - 54 of everything.

                  Quote: Wheel
                  And to say that we were not robbed can only be a narcissistic id'iot (sorry for my French

                  And I agree, oddly enough .. only I can live with it now - and where to go .. well, there’s a corner of mine (snatched at the end .. where I live right now - it’s a dormitory .. and here it’s the apartment, after all .. for 10 years - earned, we can say).

                  Quote: Wheel
                  so rejoice and you for my 8,5 pensions and three heart attacks. And for the hospital at 60km.

                  Damn .. I won’t help here, though .. my apologies.

                  Quote: Wheel
                  I am interested in the price in rubles and in Russia.

                  Me too, do not believe it. Because 150 pieces is the peak value, a month ago it was 95 a month, and now we are looking for work again .. and the process can stretch for a year (the last time it was).

                  But they want to eat little animals every day, and hunting, again, is hunting .. although, in comparison with yours, it’s clear that this is not a problem, but it’s nonsense ..

                  Okay .. I understand you, sorry, I can’t do anything useful. I will try not to bother much hi
                  1. Wheel
                    Wheel 10 February 2016 02: 34
                    10
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    I'm still small - 54 of everything.

                    It goes fast ... sad
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    And I agree, oddly enough .. only I can live with it now - and where to go .. well, there’s a corner of mine (snatched at the end .. where I live right now - it’s a dormitory .. and here it’s the apartment, after all .. for 10 years - earned, we can say).

                    Housing is holy!
                    Only happy for you!
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Damn .. I won’t help here, though .. my apologies.

                    And I don’t ask for help.
                    I’m still serving myself, and I help children to the best of my ability ...
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    A little animals want to eat every day

                    We are responsible for those who have tamed.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    and smoke, again, hunting ..

                    laughing good
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    although, in comparison with yours, it’s clear that these are not problems, and so is nonsense ..

                    Yes, in general, I do not think that I have any problems.
                    Not bigger than others in the countryside.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    I will try not to bother much

                    In disputes, truth is born ...
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 10 February 2016 02: 51
                      +6
                      Quote: Wheel
                      Truth is born in disputes

                      Quote: Strugatsky
                      Truth is born in controversy, damn it
                      1. Wheel
                        Wheel 10 February 2016 03: 09
                        +6
                        In this matter, I do not agree with the Strugatsky.
                        Although yes, for many, truth, like a Faberge sickle, can only be cursed. laughing
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 10 February 2016 03: 14
                        +4
                        Quote: Wheel
                        In this matter, I do not agree with the Strugatsky.

                        Oh, well, nafik .. this is humor there, remember the context (this is the script for "Stalker", in my opinion).
                      3. Wheel
                        Wheel 10 February 2016 03: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Oh, well, nafik .. this is humor there, remember the context (this is the script for "Stalker", in my opinion).

                        Honestly, I didn’t read the script ...
            2. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 10 February 2016 03: 32
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              Quote: Wheel
              You are for my 8,5 pension and three heart attacks.

              Guys get into your dialogue about heart attacks ..

              On January 30, Viktor Naumov, known to us as BABR and later FRAER, died of a heart attack, he rest in peace and the kingdom of heaven ..
              An interesting was the interlocutor and the old-timer of the site ..
              1. Wheel
                Wheel 10 February 2016 03: 52
                +9
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                On January 30, Viktor Naumov, known to us as BABR and later FRAER, died of a heart attack

                Mournful news!
                1. Amurets
                  Amurets 10 February 2016 04: 15
                  +9
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  On January 30, Viktor Naumov, known to us as BABR and later FRAER, died of a heart attack, he rest in peace and the kingdom of heaven ..

                  Quote: Wheel
                  Mournful news!

                  Deeply condolences! Himself such, Behind two extensive. And to whom I do not want to survive it.
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 10 February 2016 03: 52
                20
                30 January
                Our COLLEAGUE, SINGLE-MEMBER, passed away
                as he liked to say

                VIKTOR VLADIMIROVICH NAUMOV (nvv, BABR, FRAER).

                WONDERFUL AND PRESENT was a MAN from IRKUTSK.

                ETERNAL MEMORY FOR YOU, VITYA.
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 10 February 2016 03: 58
                  +9
                  [quote = Stroporez] January 30th [/ quote
                  Jan 27 he wrote to me in the mail - I was going to go to Irkutsk and never met
                  Peace be upon him ...
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 10 February 2016 05: 32
                    +4
                    Quote: afdjhbn67

                    VIKTOR VLADIMIROVICH NAUMOV (nvv, BABR, FRAER).

                    Rest in peace.
                  2. valera
                    valera 10 February 2016 08: 21
                    10
                    [quote = afdjhbn67] [quote = Stroporez] January 30th [/ quote
                    Jan 27 he wrote to me in the mail - I was going to go to Irkutsk and never met
                    Peace be upon him ... [/ quote]
                    [quote = Alexander Romanov] [quote = afdjhbn67]
                    VIKTOR VLADIMIROVICH NAUMOV (nvv, BABR, FRAER). [/ Quote]
                    Earth rest in peace. [/ Quote]
                    [quote = Stroporez]30 January
                    Our COLLEAGUE, SINGLE-MEMBER, passed away
                    as he liked to say

                    VIKTOR VLADIMIROVICH NAUMOV (nvv, BABR, FRAER).

                    WONDERFUL AND PRESENT was a MAN from IRKUTSK.

                    ETERNAL MEMORY TO YOU, VITYA. [/ Quote]
                    [quote = Amur] [quote = afdjhbn67] On January 30, Viktor Naumov, known to us as BABR and later FRAER, died from a heart attack, rest in peace and the kingdom of heaven .. [/ quote]
                    [quote = Wheel] Sad news! [/ quote]
                    Deeply condolences! Himself such, Behind two extensive. And who I do not want to survive it. [/ Quote]
                    Y-May, what a shitty news. recourse He had six months as a grandson was born, was happy. A heroic grandfather and a cool man passed away. I join in sincere condolences.
              3. Cat man null
                Cat man null 10 February 2016 12: 44
                +7
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                BABR

                Quote: afdjhbn67
                30 of January Victor Naumov died of a heart attack

                My sincere condolences .. damn - we will all be there ..

                1. atalef
                  atalef 10 February 2016 13: 04
                  +7
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  BABR

                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  30 of January Victor Naumov died of a heart attack

                  My sincere condolences .. damn - we will all be there ..


                  Sincere condolences to all relatives and friends.
                  Sorry, so sorry.
          2. tux
            tux 10 February 2016 07: 46
            +4
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            And with the rent

            Since the beginning of the 90s, rents in the Russian Federation have already reached 5 percent payability by the population since the beginning of the 100s. Previously, in Soviet times, they subsidized yes, but since then everything has changed.
            1. bondarencko
              bondarencko 12 February 2016 19: 04
              0
              If you don’t read, then at least read the Civil and Housing Codes of the Russian Federation. The rent is set at the meeting of the residents of the house, after the annual report of the Management Company !!!! Moreover, ANNUALLY !!!
          3. Cat man null
            Cat man null 10 February 2016 12: 32
            +5
            Eh, children .. uzbagoyies ..

            We have known the Wheel for a long time already, if sclerosis does not change me.

            A platoon of freaks who stupidly put minuses, without entering - yes to me exactly .. at least a couple more platoon ..

            We read ... we think ... I’m here over what Alexey writes - I usually think .. and only then I write some thread stupidity ..

            Alexey, my apologies hi

            PS: Minus to all thirty non-respondents .. freaks, damn it
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 10 February 2016 12: 56
              +3
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              PS: Minus to all thirty non-respondents .. freaks, damn it

              Wave your hand, do not understand and do not embrace! laughing
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        4. Greyjojo
          Greyjojo 10 February 2016 00: 40
          -4
          Let's look in rubles - the increase in gas prices at the inflation rate, i.e. equal to the increase in prices for other goods and services.
          ab what talk?
          1. Loreal
            Loreal 10 February 2016 07: 48
            0
            If so, he provokes it. This is the very bottom of the process chain.
          2. tux
            tux 10 February 2016 07: 54
            +5
            Quote: GreyJoJo
            Let's look in rubles - the increase in gas prices at the inflation rate, i.e. equal to the increase in prices for other goods and services.
            ab what talk?


            And the conversation is that, when gasoline rises in price, it increases logistic costs, an increase that increases the prices of goods brought with this gasoline, which in turn accelerates inflation.
        5. swan
          swan 10 February 2016 01: 16
          0
          Quote: Wheel

          Yeah, come on!
          And even more carefully consider what in Russia they pay salaries and pensions, in rubles or euros?
          And what's the point for a simple resident of Russia, that in parrots Evrah gasoline cheaper?


          And where does Russia? I am only talking about the methodology for calculating the "price drop" for gasoline in Europe.
          In Russia, gasoline has risen in price. And "on average" in Europe fell in price.
          It is only about fairy tales that in Europe everything is getting cheaper and only in our country it is getting more expensive.
          There, if it gets cheaper, then for a penny.
          1. Vanko
            Vanko 10 February 2016 15: 08
            +4
            Quote: kugu
            Quote: Wheel

            Yeah, come on!
            And even more carefully consider what in Russia they pay salaries and pensions, in rubles or euros?
            And what's the point for a simple resident of Russia, that in parrots Evrah gasoline cheaper?


            And where does Russia? I am only talking about the methodology for calculating the "price drop" for gasoline in Europe.
            In Russia, gasoline has risen in price. And "on average" in Europe fell in price.
            It is only about fairy tales that in Europe everything is getting cheaper and only in our country it is getting more expensive.
            There, if it gets cheaper, then for a penny.


            Our gasoline is not getting more expensive, our ruble is getting cheaper winked
            1. taram taramych
              taram taramych 11 February 2016 09: 49
              0
              Quote: Vanko
              We do not get more expensive gas, we
              conscience
              Quote: Vanko
              getting cheaper
        6. Felix
          Felix 10 February 2016 07: 41
          +1
          Quote: Wheel
          Quote: kugu
          At the same time, let's take a closer look at the price of gasoline in Russia!

          Yeah, come on!
          And even more carefully consider what in Russia they pay salaries and pensions, in rubles or euros?
          And what's the point for a simple resident of Russia, that in parrots Evrah gasoline cheaper?



          Then why do you look at the stock price of oil in dollars? After all, it is mined in Russia, and the cost is considered in rubles and does not depend on exchange prices?
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 10 February 2016 08: 43
            +2
            Quote: Felix
            Then why do you look at the stock price of oil in dollars? After all, it is mined in Russia, and the cost is considered in rubles and does not depend on exchange prices?

            Are you confusing anything?
            Can you quote my statement about stock prices?
            1. Felix
              Felix 10 February 2016 13: 44
              0
              Quote: Wheel
              Quote: Felix
              Then why do you look at the stock price of oil in dollars? After all, it is mined in Russia, and the cost is considered in rubles and does not depend on exchange prices?

              Are you confusing anything?
              Can you quote my statement about stock prices?


              But do you tie the lack of lower gas prices to lower oil prices?
              Or this phrase
              Quote: Wheel
              And what is the point for a simple resident of Russia that in parrots evra gasoline cheaper?
              hints about something else?
      2. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly 12 February 2016 03: 22
        0
        You do not take into account the main thing. An European can pay almost 3 tons of fuel for his salary, and a Russian average 1 tons in Russia; in Primorye, the average salary is even lower than 22 thousand.
        1. Jack-b
          Jack-b 12 February 2016 17: 58
          0
          Quote: vkfriendly
          You do not take into account the main thing. An European can pay almost 3 tons of fuel for his salary, and a Russian average 1 tons in Russia; in Primorye, the average salary is even lower than 22 thousand.

          Here you are of course lying. In fact, the "average European" cannot buy 3 tons (which is 4000 liters). For example, for the average salary in Germany http://www.dezona.ru/germany/socium/professii-i-zarplaty.htm - 1316 euros, taking into account the density of gasoline 0,75 and the price in Germany at 1,18 euros (link to the website with the prices I gave in another post), the average resident of Germany can buy a little more than 800 kg of 95th gasoline.
          At our prices, for example, in Krasnoyarsk http://www.magnat-rd.ru/cen/ceni_na_azs 95 per liter 36,2 and average salary 28499 (http://www.krsk.kp.ru/online/news/2149931/ ) - 590 kg.
          TOTAL: in Germany, the average salary - 836kg, in the Krasnoyarsk Territory - 590kg.

          That something like this.
    2. Jack-b
      Jack-b 12 February 2016 17: 40
      0
      Quote: kapitan92
      When oil is getting cheaper, gas prices are falling in Europe, in the United States, in China, and rising only in Russia, despite being overstocked with hydrocarbons.

      You won’t believe that gas prices are falling in Russia too. Two years ago, the price of a liter of gasoline in Russia cost around one dollar, now about 60 cents. In rubles, of course, the dynamics are different, but you determine the drop in oil prices at dollar prices. This means that the price of gasoline must be looked at in dollars.

      Threat. Here's an understanding of the cost of gasoline in the Russian Federation: http://gasoline-germany.com/international.phtml?kontinent=EU&land=&waehrung=USD&
      einheit = liter
      The site, of course, does not give prices correctly, but enough for a starting point in thought and search.
  2. Baikonur
    Baikonur 9 February 2016 22: 00
    29
    Because the chief of electricity and the director of gasoline need to feed and dress the family!
    And share with a higher command! They also need to feed and dress families!
    And prices are rising because families are rising!
    What are you digging for! Leave me alone! Everything is fine!
    They have!
    drinks
    1. samuil60
      samuil60 9 February 2016 23: 05
      15
      Thanks to grandfather Yeltsin for our happy old age!
      1. SergeyA
        9 February 2016 23: 10
        +3
        Quote: samuil60
        Thanks to grandfather Yeltsin for our happy old age!

        And the receiver too!
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      3. barsik92090
        barsik92090 9 February 2016 23: 37
        +8
        Passing through the forest, I discovered a whole bunch of aspens suitable for high-quality stakes so necessary in our farm.
        1. Loreal
          Loreal 10 February 2016 07: 51
          +8
          When people walked through the woods in the 90s, they saw mounds of dumped cheese and sausages in order to create shortages, price increases and revolutionary situations in large cities.
  3. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 9 February 2016 22: 25
    +3
    Quote: Wiruz
    When oil goes down, oil companies raise gas prices to make up for losses due to cheap oil.

    saying all this, for some unknown reason, they forget that the cost of salaries to employees does not change, as well as much more.
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 9 February 2016 22: 40
      +3
      Quote: Hedgehog
      saying all this, for some unknown reason, they forget that the cost of salaries to employees does not change, as well as much more.

      ... Zhen Batkovich .. and you there too ?! ... what are 7 thousand in the village? ... even the Leningrad region? ... people spread scans and photos of paychecks! ... this is a bit of a bother ... to the fan! ...
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 9 February 2016 22: 57
        +1
        Quote: Inok10
        what are 7 thousand in the village?

        Maybe the boiler is electric? In a house of meters, such, on three hundred square ...
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 9 February 2016 23: 16
        +3
        Quote: Inok10
        people spread scans and photos of paychecks!


        3,79 per kWh - 400 rubles. per month from the apartment, taking into account ONE.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 9 February 2016 23: 23
          +4
          Quote: Dym71
          3,79 per kWh - 400 rubles. per month from the apartment, taking into account ONE.

          ... 3,65 per sq / h - 550 rubles. taking into account ONE .. Separate power system Kaliningrad! .. hi
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 9 February 2016 23: 35
            -4
            Quote: Inok10
            ... 3,65 per sq / h - 550 rubles. taking into account ONE .. Separate power system Kaliningrad! ..


            You watch the video below on the branch, one field with the article of the berry! smile
  4. afrikanez
    afrikanez 9 February 2016 22: 42
    +3
    And I still could not understand why gasoline is getting more expensive. Thanks so much for the explanation! good laughing
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 February 2016 06: 57
      +5
      Quote: afrikanez
      And I still could not understand why gasoline is getting more expensive

      - This is a purely marginal policy, with tariff growth ahead of inflation. In fact, there is no explanation for increasing tariffs, except for patching holes in the budgets of ineffective managers. And, which is characteristic - exclusively at the expense of the people.
  5. Maxom75
    Maxom75 9 February 2016 23: 15
    18
    And inflation in the country appears because of the need to finance the main monopolies of Russia with their investment programs. I just don’t understand in any way, if they need to build, repair or modernize something, then why should I indirectly pay for it through tariff growth? Almost all manufacturers of email. private energy, as well as regional network companies. If you have problems with lack of funds for necessary investment programs, reduce costs. Not any sponsor sports clubs, camp sites, trips abroad, corporate events. I do not tax my neighbors if I need to make repairs. This is my problem, I cut costs and save money. And they were well attached, they do not know how to live within our means, and we all have to pay for their gouging?
  6. Cat man null
    Cat man null 9 February 2016 23: 54
    -7
    Quote: Wiruz
    When oil rises in price, gasoline rises in price because it is made from oil.
    When oil goes down, oil companies raise gas prices to make up for losses due to cheap oil.
    When the price of oil is stable, gasoline rises due to inflation.

    You repeated this maisu already about twenty times, in my memory ...

    They themselves believed, probably.

    They didn’t teach you to think, to consider the campaign .. neither at school, nor later ..

    Less to you, call ..
  7. renics
    renics 10 February 2016 02: 34
    +3
    Thank you for answering so clearly, then it turns out from your answer that the wind is blowing because the trees are swinging, and the trees are swinging because the wind is blowing. And so it turns out. (When the price of oil is stable, gasoline rises in price due to inflation.) And not vice versa, inflation arises due to more expensive energy sources and this should not be confused. The second factor is international, the one who uses the dollar in his international trade calculations carries the inflationary burden from the United States to his country.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 February 2016 03: 08
      +2
      Quote: renics
      it turns out from your answer that the wind is blowing because the trees are swinging, and the trees are swinging because the wind is blowing

      In-in ..

      Quote: renics
      the one who uses the dollar in his international trade calculations carries the inflationary burden from the USA to his country

      It is interesting, but who does NOT use the dollar in international payments - are there many such examples?

      And Wiruz - he stupidly earns points with this maya .. if not laziness - look how many times this guy has already repeated this post.

      I would have banned for spam already .. but I'm not a moderator here, by and by laughing
  8. SSR
    SSR 10 February 2016 03: 31
    +3
    [quote = Wiruz]Why is gas more expensive

    When oil rises in price, gasoline rises in price because it is made from oil.
    When oil goes down, oil companies raise gas prices to make up for losses due to cheap oil.
    When the price of oil is stable, gasoline rises due to inflation.

    laughing wassat bully[/ Quote
    Roby, imha. It may be worth it to master the filing of petitions on the facts of violations and other arbitrariness for a couple (I don’t remember the site now) with the site? Personally, I signed two petitions in a month and then came a positive review / decision.
  9. Loreal
    Loreal 10 February 2016 07: 27
    +2
    Quote: Wiruz
    When oil goes down, oil companies raise gas prices to make up for the cheapЙFTI.

    Are they gasoline-selling? Then they cheapen raw materials, like all other companies, only at hand (or side).
    NO, NO ... Yes there is, it just becomes oil in the domestic market completely heaps - why not sell it more here?
    Quote: Wiruz
    When oil rises in price, gasoline rises in price because it is made from oil.

    They (oil campaigns)? Then the price for them is just a side (or even a hand) ... the profit is growing - the raw materials are non-purchasing, why should the price of gasoline increase?
    Russia is exporting oil and not buying it - profit is growing, why not even drop the price of gas so that it will be sold even more?

    This means there is no competition, and the antitrust service is only called that.

    Quote: Wiruz
    When the price of oil is stable, gasoline rises due to inflation.

    Why is inflation all the time? Because the universe is expanding? Or because some are driving up energy prices in their mining country? Forgotten when the Stalinist deflation was the last time.

    The external and domestic markets are loosely coupled; between the regions due to transport (not electricity) the difference should be greater than due to international speculation (which is generally punished).
    Gas is exported from fuel, much less oil, and nothing at all.

    The rest was well written by Baikonur, but in reality the task is more global.
    When the cost of production, processing and transportation drops, prices simply rise, because ... they just have to rise, and people should not be allowed to live.
  10. Ermak
    Ermak 10 February 2016 09: 31
    +3
    Quote: Wiruz
    Why is gas more expensive

    When oil rises in price, gasoline rises in price because it is made from oil.
    When oil goes down, oil companies raise gas prices to make up for losses due to cheap oil.
    When the price of oil is stable, gasoline rises due to inflation.

    laughing wassat bully

    The higher the policy, the simpler the processes. That's right, all the lost profits + "inflation" + "appetites" are compensated by slaves, former free citizens of the USSR (now just slaves) and young slaves born. Someone in power says "my house is on the edge" - this is a lie. Everything is connected and everything is simple.

    In 2002, when Chubais was just beginning the reform of RAO UES, electricity in Moscow cost 90 kopecks per kWh. And since July 2015, the capital has been paying 5,03 rubles per kilowatt. The difference was 5,5 times, although before the start of the reform, Anatoly Chubais promised many miracles, including halving the price of electricity in three years!


    Yeltsin is still on the rails, comrades are suffering for you and me. And this creature "Chubais" is from the same gang.
    1. Loreal
      Loreal 11 February 2016 08: 01
      0
      It seems like it was explained above that there is no "lost profit". It's just that the gang is making a fool and spreading rot people!
    2. renics
      renics 12 February 2016 17: 20
      0
      (That's right, all lost profits + "inflation" + "appetites" are compensated by slaves)
      What kind of nonsense? Inflation is a concept in the economy that has a consumer property, and stems from an increase in the price of energy and raw materials. Energy is necessary for the production of energy, which in turn is necessary for the production of goods and services from raw materials. And if the price goes up for everything, then inflation is also a face here. And these theories from the past are not relevant right now, because technologies now allow production to work without human intervention, completely in an automated mode.
  • Ahmed
    Ahmed 9 February 2016 21: 56
    -7
    Quote: vglazunov
    Why is electricity so expensive in Russia? ...


    A caste of officials has bought the judicial system in the bud and is no longer masking its banditry, but the people are silent, sometimes mooing, but HAVE.

    In Sochi, officials, with the support of corrupt judges, squeeze a roof over their veterans and retirees.


    Impunity is the best motivator for gangster appetites.
    Further it will be worse, I promise. wink
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 9 February 2016 22: 43
      18
      Quote: Ahmed
      In Sochi, officials, with the support of corrupt judges, squeeze a roof over their veterans and retirees.


      Have you read the comments on this video on YouTube?
      The land was allocated for boathouses for yachts and boats with boats, in fact, hotels with appropriate utilities (sewage) were built in the nature protection zone! It is much more interesting to find out how the local authorities "missed" all this construction!
      Quote: Ahmed
      Further it will be worse, I promise.

      Burn another Mr. Promised! wink
    2. Havoc
      Havoc 9 February 2016 23: 10
      +7
      But for some reason people do not say that they were originally allowed to build elengi (boat garages), instead they built three-story houses. The only question is why the authorities allowed to build, without controlling the process, and now they are forced to demolish. But there, the situation is not trawling so far. And you, dear, do not blame the judges if you do not know the situation.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 9 February 2016 23: 32
        +5
        Quote: Havoc
        But for some reason people do not say that they were originally allowed to build elengi (boat garages)


        Yes, the fact of the matter is that they say, listen carefully from 2:40.
        1. Havoc
          Havoc 10 February 2016 01: 55
          +4
          You can imagine what eleng is, it is an ordinary garage and a three-story house. I’m just familiar with this situation. When building these houses, people were aware that they were breaking the law and all hoped for a chance.
    3. Theline
      Theline 9 February 2016 23: 58
      0
      Trying in vain. News where this happens in the USA is approved with a laugh, supposedly stupid. When they have in their country - just sadness or ignoring. Nothing more.
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 February 2016 07: 00
      +1
      Quote: Ahmed
      Why is electricity so expensive in Russia? ...

      - This is a purely marginal policy, with tariff growth ahead of inflation. In fact, there is no explanation for increasing tariffs, except for patching holes in the budgets of ineffective managers. And, which is characteristic - exclusively at the expense of the people
  • 222222
    222222 9 February 2016 22: 27
    +1
    vglazunov (1) RU Today, 21:41 New
    Why is electricity so expensive in Russia? Answer: crooks like Chubais and other oligarchs need to be fed "
    ..just PEOPLE is patient .. VERY !!! ...
  • Million
    Million 9 February 2016 22: 33
    29
    But Putin probably doesn’t know anything ..
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 9 February 2016 23: 02
      +7
      Protect Him!
      ___________
      -Do not take care of yourself. You need to rest.
      -There is no time, I have no time to rest, Viktor Kharitonovich.
      Values, because they must be not only material, but also spiritual.

      (soap opera "OUR RUSHA")
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 10 February 2016 16: 22
      -1
      Quote: Million
      But Putin probably doesn’t know anything ..

      That's right, it’s either a knife in the back, then NATO is expanding, then Igil has appeared in Syria ..
      And here you are with your pennies for the light ... Vanity .. Here it is necessary to solve world problems)))) This is how NATO will defeat ISIS .. so we will deal with light in the country)))
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 9 February 2016 22: 33
    +7
    Quote: vglazunov
    Why is electricity so expensive in Russia?


    5 rubles, expensive ?! Yes, you live in paradise, you don’t see your own happiness, but according to 10 Ross rub / kW, how do you like it (Moldova)?
    1. atalef
      atalef 9 February 2016 23: 40
      +2
      Quote: Aleksander
      Quote: vglazunov
      Why is electricity so expensive in Russia?


      5 rubles, expensive ?! Yes, you live in paradise, you don’t see your own happiness, but according to 10 Ross rub / kW, how do you like it (Moldova)?

      10rub - like in Israel
    2. viktor561
      viktor561 9 February 2016 23: 41
      +8
      I have 3,5 rubles each with an electric stove (Moscow) - I do not save one tariff meter and I do not steal - I pay - 700 rubles a month (family - 4 people) - if they steal in the regions, put pressure on officials!
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 10 February 2016 12: 11
        0
        You see, you have not come across regional bureaucracy - they are tenacious cockroaches, but an ordinary person can easily be "moved".
        Topic View
        1. viktor561
          viktor561 11 February 2016 02: 51
          +1
          What are you talking about? That in the regions there is a second power - watching urks - everyone knows and you can remove, what will happen then? - the collapse of power in any village in Russia has served and future inmates have not yet come across - they have their own logic and life - officials unfasten the common fund - something like that !!!!
    3. mihasik
      mihasik 10 February 2016 00: 10
      +1
      Quote: Aleksander
      Quote: vglazunov
      Why is electricity so expensive in Russia?


      5 rubles, expensive ?! Yes, you live in paradise, you don’t see your own happiness, but according to 10 Ross rub / kW, how do you like it (Moldova)?

      No offense). So you live in Europe!) And the prices are naturally European). And we are, in the decaying "Rashke").
  • Blondy
    Blondy 9 February 2016 23: 01
    +4
    So it seemed to them not enough to snatch tidbits, (thanks to Chubais), in the form of energy-generating capacities - At the top they still want the people to unbuckle their hard-earned power from their capacities, although people are already paying for home delivery. Why not, on the contrary, demand from energy owners: “pay for delivery if you want your energy to reach the consumer and he could buy it”.
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 10 February 2016 00: 04
      11
      Quote: Blondy
      At the top, they still want the people to unfasten their blood from their capacities from the conducting power networks

      And unfastens !!!
      Remember the next initiative of Mr. Medvedev to introduce normal hours per person? So in Rostov-on-Don, the social rate is 3.50 rubles / kW., Over 4.90 rubles / kW. (The coolest thing, the population of the Rostov Region learned from television through the mouth of the Governor of the RO Golubev that the people of the RO were directly begging to introduce this experiment in the Region. The case was supposedly voluntary) There is also such a concept of ONE (common household expense).
      Now comes the fun part. We have a homeowners' association. The HOA due to chronic non-payments for communal services made each tenant a separate account in Power Grids. He took off the "firebrand" so to speak and transferred it to the Power Grid. Now further: a frame comes from the aforementioned organization when he pleases and takes readings from the general house meter. Since the tenants always do not submit testimonies of all consumers at the same time, the Power Grids divide the testimony of the one who did not submit by ONE for all who submitted. Consumption naturally increases significantly! But here's the catch! When the rest who did not submit on time, the testimony is submitted, you are recalculated in the negative, BUT! They count (naturally as an overrun) at 4.90 rubles / kW, but they return 3.50 rubles / kW at the rate. earning on "air", or rather on a kilowatt of 1.40 rubles. It seems like a trifle, but multiply on the scale of the region!) And you are Chubais! If about Chubais, then it turns out he cloned himself throughout the country in different images!
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 10 February 2016 06: 42
        +6
        And you are Chubais!
        You can instead of Chubais and about Putin. Remember the company about the change of electricity meters, which, according to the decree of Prime Minister Putin, were to be acquired as their property. Although, in fact, they bought a terminal measuring device for power distribution networks for their own money, since the "owner" of the sealed property (God forbid, will screw something up) is obliged to provide information to the energy company. So why are we playing this game with one goal: if we pay for electricity, then why are we obliged to provide information obtained through the exploitation of our property for free - let them pay for the meter readings, we somehow have to at least depreciate our property.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 10 February 2016 11: 24
          +3
          Quote: Blondy
          why we play this game with one goal: if we pay for electricity, then why are we obliged to provide information obtained through the operation of our property for free - let them pay for meter readings, we should at least depreciate our property.

          Blondie! Well done, if the state requires us to pay for information, then why does the state require information from us for free?
  • mihasik
    mihasik 9 February 2016 23: 03
    +5
    Quote: vglazunov
    Why is electricity so expensive in Russia? Answer: crooks like Chubais and other oligarchy need to be fed.

    Whose friend is Mr. Chubais?)
    Don't we hand over ours? And we don’t change "horses" on the crossing?
    1. Sura
      Sura 9 February 2016 23: 19
      +9
      In the eighties, when I studied at the power engineer, we were proudly taught that the entire energy system in the USSR is unified and looped and there is no such system anywhere in the world, it is worthwhile for any power station in any region to fail, the lines will automatically switch and no one will notice that some kind of power plant stood up, and therefore the price throughout the USSR was one and the same.
      As soon as the redhead came to power, he first ruined the unified energy system and prices started to jump ...
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 01: 03
        +4
        Quote: Sura
        As soon as the redhead came to power, he first ruined the unified energy system and prices started to jump ...

        I remind you that the privatization-collapse of the Unified System of the country began in the first presidency, and ended in the second.
        At the same time, the guarantor guarantees that there will be no revisions to privatization.
        Does anyone else have doubts about the current vertical?
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 10 February 2016 02: 58
          +4
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          I remind you that the privatization-collapse of the Unified System of the country began in the first presidency, and ended in the second.

          Well, here, and here they dragged the darkest!
          Red is to blame for everything, red!
          Hands off the Great and the Terrible! laughing
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 9 February 2016 23: 15
    20
    The article is some kind of mishmash from the Lower Oselki, Chubais and the USSR. I would like to ask the author, in fact, what did you want to say? Yes, we have high electricity prices, although the Soviet 4 cop. per kWh, according to the current salary ratio, this is 4-5 rubles. And you know that of these 5 rubles, the generating companies themselves, those who produce this electricity, receive one and a half rubles. The rest is put in the pocket of energy sales and network companies, which are most often regional monopolists. And their tariffs, like tariffs in housing and communal services, are formed according to the cost principle: cost price + standard profit. This is where rampant corruption, postscripts and sloppiness reigns supreme. And the reason for this is not even a single Chubais, but the absolutely incompetent position of our state in general and corruption in government agencies in particular. It's no secret that many officials are not only not fighting the arbitrariness of the communal monopolist, but they themselves are happy to invest stolen money in such local monopolies, ranging from management companies to large water utilities and energy sales. And while crooks and thieves will rule the country, the situation will not change.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 February 2016 00: 02
      +1
      Quote: Nikolai K
      And you know that of these 5 rubles, the generating companies themselves, those who produce this electricity, receive one and a half rubles. The rest is put in the pocket of energy sales and network companies, which are most often regional monopolists. And their tariffs, like tariffs in housing and communal services, are formed according to the cost principle: cost price + standard profit.

      Exactly.

      Only now .. guys .. these are local sales companies - they live next to you .. what prevents to ask - "where, *****, did you put the money?"

      Laziness is mainly a campaign .. it’s easier for Chubais to curse yes to Putin prayer .. pah ..
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 10 February 2016 00: 29
        +4
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Laziness is mainly a campaign .. it’s easier for Chubais to curse yes to Putin prayer .. pah ..

        For the next "initiatives" of Mr. Medvedev, who to ask: "where, *****, did you put the money?"
        Do local power grids?))))
        Or are you lucky in your area his innovations in saving electricity by the population, have not been introduced?)))
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 10 February 2016 02: 02
          +2
          Quote: mihasik
          For the next "initiatives" of Mr. Medvedev, who to ask: "where, *****, did you put the money?"
          Do local power grids?))))
          Or are you lucky in your area his innovations in saving electricity by the population, have not been introduced?)))

          I look at the bill that comes to me. It is about 500-700 + rubles per month.

          I live alone, the apartment is odnushka. Everything is electric (no gas).

          No frills - stove - kettle - refrigerator - laptop. All practically energy consumers.

          So far, I have not noticed drastic changes, although I heard about innovations from Dima.

          Wait and see ..
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            1. mihasik
              mihasik 10 February 2016 02: 56
              +4
              I wanted to supplement it.
              When we built the Volgodonsk NPP 160 km higher in the Don in 1971 so that people would not be very indignant (because if the entire Lower Don explodes, the Sea of ​​Azov and the Black Sea would be radioactive for a century), the authorities promised residents of the Rostov Region free electricity ......
              Here are our people loshara! ..... Thought the authorities. laughing laughing laughing Since then, in general, nothing has changed in relation to the authorities to the people laughing
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    2. Dyagilev
      Dyagilev 10 February 2016 00: 28
      +6
      That is, the situation will not change at all? In the late 80s and early 90s, a coup d'etat was carried out by a small number of interested people close to the power structures, including top management, fraudulently seizing most of the funds of the USSR, which are a national treasure. Through their inaction in public administration, they provoked the people into mass unrest, and the change of state system from a progressive socialist one in which everyone participated in the development and advancement of the state and the proportional distribution of benefits, to a regressive-decadent oligarchic-capitalist one, where the bulk of the population earns for less which uses the proceeds of capital for its own gain, is trying to eliminate state influence that prevents their uncontrolled enrichment ju ...
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 10 February 2016 00: 57
        +4
        Quote: Dyagilev
        That is, the situation will not change at all?

        What else do you believe in a "bright" future? laughing laughing laughing
        Sopretat billion as Vasiliev and will live in a bright future, but in another way along the way! laughing
  • 4ekist
    4ekist 9 February 2016 23: 30
    +4
    Because budget holes must be covered from the pocket of the people. It would be better to restore the state monopoly on vodka.
    1. Boos
      Boos 10 February 2016 05: 51
      +1
      The rotenbergs have a monopoly on alcohol; they have already bought up all the plants, the ubiquitous family.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 10 February 2016 02: 03
    +1
    All my life I have lived in Russia and have never "hung" non-existent debts to me.
    Errors were occasionally, but corrected without problems.
    About prices - also nonsense!
    In Italy, a kW costs 17,1 rubles.
    In Belarus - 3,2 rubles.
    The average price in Europe is 10,4 rub / k
    In Ukraine it was cheaper, but now the growth has grown by 30-40% per year.
    Kazakhstan is ahead of Russia - 2,2 rubles / kW, due to cheap coal.

    I don’t understand why the author is lying?
    Believes that all around suckers ???
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 10 February 2016 02: 08
    +1
    The farther south the country, the lower the cost of production, including electricity. Russia is one of the coldest countries for this reason and the electricity in it must be the most expensive.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 02: 24
      +4
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Russia is one of the coldest countries for this reason and the electricity in it must be the most expensive.

      Do you think that is why people should not live here?
      You heard something about the cost of email. Energies at nuclear, hydrocarbon and hydroelectric stations?
    2. mihasik
      mihasik 10 February 2016 03: 15
      +1
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      The farther south the country, the lower the cost of production, including electricity. Russia is one of the coldest countries for this reason and the electricity in it must be the most expensive.

      So pay 50 rubles per kW, since it’s cheap for you. And I like 5 rubles / kW, a little expensive! I live 160 km from a nuclear power plant in the South! Not Yakutia! Or is nuclear energy expensive?
      1. Greyjojo
        Greyjojo 11 February 2016 09: 55
        -1
        You will not believe! but the most expensive energy is just at nuclear power plants, more expensive than at thermal and hydro power plants.
        why did you decide that 5 r / kW is a little expensive? maybe 50 kopecks is normal, or in general that would pay extra?
        Our energy resources are among the cheapest among developed countries.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 11 February 2016 10: 07
          0
          Quote: GreyJoJo
          maybe 50 kopecks is normal, or in general that would pay extra?

          maybe ok
          Quote: GreyJoJo
          Our energy resources are among the cheapest among developed countries.

          another mess to compare prices is stupid; you need to compare the income-expense ratio

          but really you would be in the countryside when EVERYTHING on electricity was 50 cents expensive to you
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 11 February 2016 12: 02
            0
            disprove if not right, or weak?
  • Vovan 73
    Vovan 73 10 February 2016 04: 25
    +1
    And so it will continue for a long time because ...... the guarantor does not give up
  • Uran
    Uran 10 February 2016 05: 26
    -1
    Russia is a country that has huge reserves of electricity and hydroelectric power stations and other sources. but tariffs are killing people
  • bylec
    bylec 10 February 2016 07: 38
    0
    you don’t need to feed, but plant it and preferably immediately on the pitchfork
  • go21zd45few
    go21zd45few 10 February 2016 08: 31
    +7
    Reform of the EU RAO in Chubais has led to 10 managers with salaries ten times the salary of a fitter for one installer. I worked in the energy sector for 30 years and saw what the reforms in Chubais led to. Chubais and his team of reformers is state. criminals who must fully answer for their deeds.
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 10 February 2016 09: 54
    +1
    Quote: vglazunov
    Why is electricity so expensive in Russia?

    Here is one of the versions)).
    https://svinoyrsk.ru/ekonomika/3079-korrumpirovannost-top-menedzherov-mrsk-sibir
    i-oplatit-naselenie.html
  • Severok
    Severok 10 February 2016 10: 00
    0
    On the contrary: in order for electricity to be cheap in Russia, it is necessary to introduce firing articles with confiscation of property up to the next of kin for sabotage, speculation, fraud, unjustified enrichment and betrayal of Russia's interests.
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 10 February 2016 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: Severok
      On the contrary: in order for electricity to be cheap in Russia, it is necessary to introduce firing articles with confiscation of property up to the next of kin for sabotage, speculation, fraud, unjustified enrichment and betrayal of Russia's interests.

      According to this, the authorities are afraid of a return to the 37th year).
  • da Vinci
    da Vinci 10 February 2016 10: 52
    0
    How difficult is it to make a choice "who will become the best prime minister" out of two worthy ones: Serdyukov or Chubais? I don’t know about Europe, but the whole CIS has such a problem! wink
  • Grandfather Luka
    Grandfather Luka 10 February 2016 10: 53
    +1
    In the 90s, in the criminal environment there was such a term, half-received. In the process of reform, it became a legal form of economic relations. Those who used to receive from some frightened businessmen now receive from all over the country.
  • iouris
    iouris 10 February 2016 12: 16
    0
    The reason for the outstripping growth of tariffs is the fulfillment by the RF government of the conditions for Russia's entry into the WTO.
    RF adopted by the WTO on 22.08.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX. The main persons - the guides of this policy are Gref and Chubais.
  • host
    host 10 February 2016 16: 07
    +2
    You can also add that after RAO UES was split into sales and grid companies, very, very many intermediaries (illiterate, but greedy) appeared, who incorporated their "interest" into the price of electricity.
    And the main policy of splitting up RAO UES is to shift all costs, all costs, all mistakes of "effective" managers onto consumers (the most vulnerable, ordinary residents).
    No control, no responsibility - EVERYTHING is by law ...
  • Van
    Van 10 February 2016 22: 52
    0
    I believe that energy resources in the domestic market of the country, and especially Russia, should cost purely symbolic sums.
    After all, otherwise, what's the point in new energy technologies if the final product costs astronomical prices ...
  • Shadow1
    Shadow1 11 February 2016 08: 15
    0
    http://clip2net.com/s/3u9HL9r

    These are wholesale prices for electricity in the Moscow region, you can find in other areas the difference will be small, everyone knows their tariffs, but the conclusion is from above.
  • Skif83
    Skif83 11 February 2016 17: 24
    0
    Who needs it?
    Is that to the Chubais themselves !?
    However, the efficiency of work under the leadership of Anatoly Chubais fell even compared to Soviet times. In 2002, economist Andrei Illarionov called RAO UES “national disgrace,” because in just two years, the company's market capitalization fell three-fold - by $ 6 billion.

    If the "great" economist Larionov is such a blunder, then why is Chubais still not on a rack in the basements of the Cheka?
    The popularly elected only publicly scolds (exactly, what is CRUISING "?) Twitter-government and officials, in fact, the result of his horror stories - 0!
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 9 February 2016 21: 45
    46
    I remember 4 kopecks. laughing

    What is surprising, in fact - where Chubais visited - there is only robbery and decay remains after him.

    This is necessary! Stages of a long journey:

    1. Privatization - robbed everyone and ruined everything.
    2. Electricity - all collapsed and continues to rob.
    3. Nanotechnology - robbed and robs the state budget, and nanotechnology generally evaporated.

    As Ostap Bender used to say - "You are an interesting person! Everything is all right with you. Surprisingly, with such happiness - and at large" laughing
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 9 February 2016 21: 52
      17
      Chubais has long earned a rope and soap!
      1. Vasyata
        Vasyata 9 February 2016 22: 41
        +5
        It is very humane towards him.
      2. Wolverine
        Wolverine 9 February 2016 23: 19
        +5
        Complete confiscation in favor of the state is worse for him ... wassat
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 9 February 2016 23: 20
        +4
        Quote: Pirogov
        Chubais has long earned a rope and soap!

        Rope - YES !!! But the soap to her still needs to be earned!
    2. Altona
      Altona 9 February 2016 21: 54
      12
      Quote: Gormengast
      As Ostap Bender used to say

      --------------------------------
      Anatoly Chubais wrote his life with a citizen Koreiko. In general, he is incredible insolence, I still can’t forget his fundamental work on 17 pages for 140 thousand dollars ...
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 9 February 2016 22: 15
        +8
        Anatoly Chubais wrote his life with a citizen Koreiko


        And there is; it was the playful pens of Chubais who came up with the voucher that hungry citizens sold to all crooks in '92 for a penny - why not stealing a train with food?

        It is Comrade Voucher who takes care of nanotechnology, which is completely identical to the Korean factory from a water barrel.
        1. bannik
          bannik 9 February 2016 23: 14
          +6
          Gentlemen, I'm bastard with you! Read the classics: (not verbatim, but still) SOCIALISM IS SOVIET POWER PLUS ELECTROFICATION OF THE WHOLE COUNTRY! We successfully dealt with the Soviet government! Hooray! Now it's time to deal with electrification. Whoever doesn’t like prices - there’s (for now) a candle, candles and kerosene lamps in stores. Chubais, and others like him - we do not care, we can sit with a splinter. The Chinese, the Finns, well, someone else there will buy this energy, albeit cheaply, but not for rubles, after all! And not with us.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 9 February 2016 23: 34
            +8
            Quote: bannik
            there are kerosene lamps in stores (for now).

            There are lamps, there is a problem with kerosene ... laughing
            1. bannik
              bannik 9 February 2016 23: 58
              +3
              As for kerosene - this is to Sechin, Chubais here, again, nothing to do with!
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 01: 09
                +2
                Quote: bannik
                As for kerosene - this is to Sechin

                And the owner of inter rao hto ?!
                1. bannik
                  bannik 10 February 2016 02: 14
                  +1
                  Well, no, and Chubik and Sechin, it seems, from InterRao seem to be on the side, but although - hell knows them.
              2. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 10 February 2016 02: 10
                +8
                Quote: bannik
                Chubais here, again, nothing to do with it!

                The Irkutsk citizens erected a monument to the governor Nozhikov - he didn’t give anything from the electric power industry to the district and they have 1 ruble electricity in my Ulan-Ude 5,9 rubles, feel the difference how the radioactive waste shines us all over the country ... Putin, Chubais and the whole Kremlin wassat
          2. Amurets
            Amurets 10 February 2016 04: 33
            +1
            Quote: bannik
            The Chinese, the Finns, well, someone else will buy this energy,

            And you are interested in what price does China buy from Zeya and Bureyskaya HPPs?
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 10 February 2016 14: 34
              13
              Three years ago, I rested for three days in Suifenghe, had nothing to do about wandering around the town (well, interestingly, the first time in China), staring around, came across a car repair shop recently opened in the basement of a high-rise building. A 27-year-old Chinese man works for himself as a director. Since the business is similar, I decided to ask how things are in more detail.
              It took 2 hours to register a case at the city office. Renting a room costs (the guy immediately converted me to rubles at the yuan-ruble rate of 1 to 5, which was then) 4000 rubles a month, renting a lift with a purchase of 2500 rubles per month for three years, no taxes for three years after registering the case, provided that it will hire no more than 1 person. And the most important thing that I remember is the payment of electricity 18 kopecks per kilowatt !!!. The guy heated the workshop with an electric heater; it is expensive to heat coal (the house in which the workshop was located was heated from a coal boiler). At that time, I paid electricity bills at 5 r per kilowatt and I knew for sure that the Bureyskaya HPP works for China
    3. ty60
      ty60 9 February 2016 23: 02
      +5
      He is a member of the Hilderberg Club. The only one from the Russians.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 10 February 2016 04: 39
        +4
        Quote: ty60
        He is a member of the Hilderberg Club. The only one from the Russians.

        Can't you send a second representative to the meetings of this club? Like "Caliber" or "Onyx"? It seems to me that after their speech not only the Russian crisis will end but also the International one.
    4. mihasik
      mihasik 9 February 2016 23: 07
      +7
      Quote: Gormengast

      As Ostap Bender used to say - "You are an interesting person! Everything is in order. Surprisingly, with such happiness - and free."

      In Soviet times, there was such a concept: "Connections". This master of communications is at the very top. Do you remember Storetkin? Sits? No? Why so?) Have you collected evidence? Where did they disappear, this evidence?)
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 9 February 2016 23: 25
        +2
        The fact that Mr. Serdyukov is not sitting does not detract from my desire to see Mr. Chubais planted (as well as all the other thieves - robbers of socialist property)
        1. bannik
          bannik 10 February 2016 00: 42
          +4
          Do you want him to sit? But the people, well, the majority of the people, for some reason want them to lie!
          1. polkovnik manuch
            polkovnik manuch 11 February 2016 09: 27
            0
            And preferably dug in two meters!
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 02: 32
        +3
        Quote: mihasik
        And where did they disappear, this evidence?)

        "They drowned." wink
    5. poacher
      poacher 9 February 2016 23: 26
      +1
      it's all clear, a swindler and everything else ... another interesting thing, under whose roof does it work? For so many years it has been breeding the country, and still has chocolate.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 10 February 2016 02: 38
        +3
        Quote: poacher
        .other interesting, under whose roof does it work?

        You need to understand - a rhetorical question?
        1. bannik
          bannik 10 February 2016 03: 27
          +1
          No, the answer is rhetorical. They took the info - you’ll understand what the hell they said.
    6. oxana_iv
      oxana_iv 10 February 2016 00: 54
      +3
      Stages of a long journey:

      1. Privatization - robbed everyone and ruined everything.
      2. Electricity - all collapsed and continues to rob.
      3. Nanotechnology - robbed and robs the state budget, and nanotechnology generally evaporated.


      More about the cure for Kagocel flu can be added. Amid privatization, of course, a trifle, but also nice ...
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 10 February 2016 11: 34
        +1
        Quote: oxana_iv
        3. Nanotechnology - robbed and robs the state budget, and nanotechnology generally evaporated.

        So this is the same NANOTECHNOLOGY! They are not even visible in the electron microscope. You need to understand this and buy electric energy produced by nanotechnology on nanoturbogenerators.
  • Flinky
    Flinky 9 February 2016 21: 50
    12
    The red thief should be hanging.
  • Altona
    Altona 9 February 2016 21: 52
    11
    At home, all the bulbs are LED, but still no savings. Stupidly, the DPU will write 20kW, and where it comes from give you a formula similar to the Lagrange equation of the 2nd kind, maybe drawn from it. This is the case with electricity.
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 9 February 2016 21: 56
      +4
      "Chinese puzzles with infinitely varied outcomes"


      (Michelle Ardant; "Around the moon") laughing
  • alone
    alone 9 February 2016 21: 53
    +2
    ))) A little bit oblique))) Chubais, Chubais! The redhead is so omnipotent that alone gives Russia more problems than the rest of the world))) it is ridiculous to God.

    Do you say electricity is expensive? So much has the Russian energy system been modernized and what is the efficiency of power plants, has anyone been interested?
    1. Altona
      Altona 9 February 2016 22: 02
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      So much energy system of Russia modernized

      ----------------------
      In our area of ​​the substation, the booths were modernized completely a year ago, the old boxes were removed and the new ones connected for an hour. This fact has taken place.
  • hartlend
    hartlend 9 February 2016 21: 56
    15
    Putin once said - "Thank God, we are not in 37th year now," I would like to add - but it's a pity.
  • KBR109
    KBR109 9 February 2016 21: 56
    22
    A terrible picture looms. And really - the country of frightened thieves - where you can’t look. am Neither LI KUAN YU's examples, nor executions with confiscation are used. Thieving bureaucracy pushed everyone and everything. Legislators are indifferent. Prosecutors are happy to try (do nothing). Although no, they did a good job of protecting the casino. In this situation, however, there is a huge demand for patriotism. For what ?
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 9 February 2016 23: 03
      +6
      Quote: KBR109
      A terrible picture looms. And really - the country of frightened thieves - where you can’t look.

      Why are you surprised?
      All power from there, from the dashing 90s.
      Well, they, by and large, are nothing but to steal and do not know how ...
      Quote: KBR109
      In this situation, however, there is a huge demand for patriotism. For what ?

      Well, you have to do something with the electorate, so as not to think about what’s going on.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 9 February 2016 23: 08
        +2
        Truly so. crying wassat drinks
  • swag
    swag 9 February 2016 21: 58
    +3
    So who will you! And who will the GDP work with? Well, they are good stewards. This is a kagal, the Kremlin will plunder with its chambers, Granovita and others, and then nothing will happen to them.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 9 February 2016 22: 02
      +1
      Quote: swag
      Kremlin plunders with its chambers, Faceted and others

      And the term you will call, when stolen?

      The Internet is a wonderful place ... it’s not necessary to answer for the bazaar;

      -100 qualifying.
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 9 February 2016 22: 13
        +5
        "The Internet is a wondrous place ... it's not necessary to answer for the market, I yanked - and into the bushes .."
        I support! More than one pole do not put +++
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 9 February 2016 22: 02
    +6
    "The resident calculated the electricity consumption by the meter - like 7 thousand rubles have to be paid", where is that? "In the village of Nizhniye Oselki (Leningrad Region)" and what is true? 7 thousand. How much? I pay 280 rubles in Siberia. a month, for a three-room apartment ... To be precise, I have 45 ... Who is the article intended for?
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 9 February 2016 22: 11
      +5
      Even with you, the difference is great with me. In Krasnodar, I pay for the light (2-k) 54m 550r in winter and under 1000 in summer.
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 9 February 2016 22: 16
        +5
        I wonder why in the summer more? Daylight hours seem to be longer, less electricity?
        1. KBR109
          KBR109 9 February 2016 22: 21
          +7
          Two split systems. On the street under 45 (in the shade) and houses are very hot especially above 3 floors. Constantly evil sun. By the end of June, hell is already. The cost of a kilowatt of 4.12 + common use places is approx. 5 kW.
      2. Inok10
        Inok10 9 February 2016 22: 20
        +1
        Quote: KBR109
        Even with you, the difference is great with me. In Krasnodar, I pay for the light (2-k) 54m 550r in winter and under 1000 in summer.

        ... but, how can you pay more in summer than in winter? ... laughing
      3. bubalik
        bubalik 9 February 2016 22: 23
        +2
        ,,, average monthly 300_400, I pay twice a year, no penalty, two children 46m2, two children (washing, cleaning, etc.) ,, Samara ,,, gas water heater, for it somewhere 200 per month ,, , hi
      4. Vasyata
        Vasyata 9 February 2016 22: 57
        +3
        Moscow Region 64sq.m All year 1200 rub
      5. Wolverine
        Wolverine 9 February 2016 23: 24
        +3
        In the Rostov region the cost of a kilowatt is 5 rubles, and we spend 250 kW per month.
    2. Inok10
      Inok10 9 February 2016 22: 19
      +2
      Quote: Masya Masya
      "The resident calculated the electricity consumption by the meter - like 7 thousand rubles have to be paid", where is that? "In the village of Nizhniye Oselki (Leningrad Region)" and what is true? 7 thousand. How much? I pay 280 rubles in Siberia. a month, for a three-room apartment ... To be precise, I have 45 ... Who is the article intended for?

      ... I'm at my place IDENTIFIED ENERGY SYSTEM! ... Kaliningrad region ... I pay for 86 m2 .. 500 rubles ... article from the category of "shit on a fan" .. hi
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 9 February 2016 22: 33
        +5
        I’m envious of your ignorance as they pay more in summer than in winter. crying
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 9 February 2016 22: 36
          +1
          Quote: KBR109
          I’m envious of your ignorance as they pay more in summer than in winter. crying

          ... You yourself put two split systems? ... or were you forced under an automatic machine ?! ... with the threat of execution? ... funny right ... laughing
          1. KBR109
            KBR109 9 February 2016 22: 45
            +7
            wassat What are you saying? When in rooms above 30 you don’t want to, you’ll have to set it up.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 9 February 2016 22: 50
              +1
              Quote: KBR109
              wassat What are you saying? When in rooms above 30 you don’t want to, you’ll have to set it up.

              ... so pay for the consumed electricity and don't cry like a "virgin girl" ... minus signer .. laughing
              1. KBR109
                KBR109 9 February 2016 23: 10
                +8
                good love HERE NOW - YES. MINUSATOR. But in general, to be a boor? laughing
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 9 February 2016 23: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: KBR109
                  good love HERE NOW - YES. MINUSATOR. But in general, to be a boor? laughing

                  ... boor ?! .. ah, justify? ... The owner of two split systems, which each at the old rate cost about 28 rubles and who cries about expensive electricity? ... and blames everyone and everyone for theft and bribes? .. laughing .. tariff per sq / h in Krasnodar? ... I’ll check tomorrow, my father lives there! ... laughing
                  1. KBR109
                    KBR109 9 February 2016 23: 54
                    +4
                    Splits of 14 tons. bought in 2012. Installation of 3 tons more. was worth it. LG is still real South Korean. If you want to live, you don’t get so excited. Both twelfth (30 squares each pull). Check your native tariffs - it may feel better. 4 rub 12 kopecks
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 10 February 2016 00: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: KBR109
                      Check your native tariffs - it may feel better. 4 rub 12 kopecks

                      ... tomorrow I will call and check ... I do not strain .. unlike some who want to live beautifully "in the cool" and free of charge ... and I will draw conclusions about the Personnel ... hi
                      1. Inok10
                        Inok10 10 February 2016 00: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Inok10
                        who want to live beautifully "in the cool" and for free so that

                        ... and in which all around are crooks and thieves ... well, to the minuses in the high bell tower ... laughing ... screen Eloquent! ... laughing
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 February 2016 22: 53
        -2
        "How much time and money needs to be spent in order for it to acquire an electrical power of 140 kW? It turned out that in Moscow it is necessary to pay 200 thousand dollars for this and spend 281 days." I wonder where the author took these figures - in the city center? - I connected the service to 600 kW in total, I spent 3 months waiting and 60000 bucks - at the old rate.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 9 February 2016 23: 05
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          "How much time and money needs to be spent in order for it to acquire an electrical power of 140 kW? It turned out that in Moscow it is necessary to pay 200 thousand dollars for this and spend 281 days." I wonder where the author took these figures - in the city center? - I connected the service to 600 kW in total, I spent 3 months waiting and 60000 bucks - at the old rate.

          ... the author ... has some kind of "own" rate for those connection ... like the tariff for electricity, in rural areas, where the tariff is 30% lower, they pay more in the Leningrad Region than in my Separate Kaliningrad city, miracles on the bends, and only ... laughing
    3. Mister22408
      Mister22408 9 February 2016 22: 25
      +5
      In the winter, the sister pays for a summer residence in the Leningrad Region about 2000 rubles / month. - stove heating, boiler, light, household appliances. No gas.
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    5. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 9 February 2016 22: 42
      +3
      put an electric boiler in a cottage of 200-300 squares, about the same and will come out in winter
    6. ty60
      ty60 9 February 2016 23: 05
      +1
      For owners of a mansion with an area of ​​300 meters with full autonomy.
    7. jaguar
      jaguar 9 February 2016 23: 11
      +3
      It is designed for everyone. I don’t know how you do in Siberia, but I pay for communal services in Yekaterinburg 6tys. per month (32sq.m.) So it is.
    8. Vitaly72
      Vitaly72 10 February 2016 01: 43
      +2
      You pay for an apartment that has heating, but in N, Oselki I believe a private house that is heated with radiators that eat 2 sq / h, for example, in L, O, I pay 5-6 t, p
  • AGV Pagan
    AGV Pagan 9 February 2016 22: 05
    +8
    Thieves in power! The trouble V.V. Putin, he does not give up his! But in vain. They substitute him in full.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 9 February 2016 22: 08
      -7
      Quote: AGVPagan
      Thieves in power! The trouble V.V. Putin, he does not give up his! But in vain. They substitute him in full.

      Damn ... here you come running ..

      Guys, at least three people in life - ever controlled the thread? If not - scatter ..

      If yes - well, apparently, only three laughing
      1. swag
        swag 9 February 2016 22: 14
        +7
        He was once a deputy company commander. And what. More than three. Scat. Fleas jumping.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 9 February 2016 22: 22
          0
          Quote: swag
          He was once a deputy company commander.

          By political part? wink

          I’m talking about a citizen .. in an army army it’s much easier to manage .. Below me, on a project at the peak, there were hundreds of people, very diverse .. including n-twenty Indians (their mother knees through three blankets .. and so on).

          I mean that:

          - do not be measured writing.. superfluous it.
          - what is it to say about Putin the same - for this it will not be enough "once the deputy company commander."

          I - about it, and you - about what?
    2. Wheel
      Wheel 9 February 2016 23: 39
      +3
      Quote: AGVPagan
      The trouble V.V. Putin, he does not give up his! But in vain.

      Well, how can he hand over someone if one of them is himself?
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 10 February 2016 00: 11
        -2
        Quote: Wheel
        Well, how can he hand over someone if one of them is himself?

        Hello. I know you as a competent person.

        And why do you throw such agitation then? After all, it is understandable - there is no simple solution there .. well, no ..

        Or is there? wink
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 10 February 2016 01: 24
          +3
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          And why do you throw such agitation then? After all, it is understandable - there is no simple solution there .. well, no ..

          Or is there?

          There is no simple or complex solution.

          And this is not agitation, it is a statement of fact.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 10 February 2016 01: 27
            0
            Quote: Wheel
            And this is not agitation, it is a statement of fact.

            The statement is public, note .. For the purpose? Just amuse yourself, or what?

            Quote: Wheel
            There is no simple nor complicated solution

            Chet, I don’t understand anything at all ..

            How scary to live (s)
            1. Wheel
              Wheel 10 February 2016 02: 06
              +3
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              The statement is public, note ..

              "Are you sewing Article 7-8, chief?" (FROM) laughing
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              With the aim of? Just amuse yourself, or what?

              No, why amuse yourself?
              There is little hope that people like AGV Pagan finally parted with pink glasses.
            2. Wheel
              Wheel 10 February 2016 02: 07
              +3
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Chet, I don’t understand anything at all ..

              So everything is simple.
              You just need to think a little.
              Impartiality.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 10 February 2016 02: 16
                +1
                Quote: Wheel
                There is no simple nor complicated solution


                Quote: Wheel
                So everything is simple.
                You just need to think a little.
                Impartiality.

                Damn ... guys, I’ve been working as a programmer for 20 + years .. ERP, which is not computer games, but also games, but a little different .. I can think with my head. Well, that is, it seems, not quite a fool. And not crazy. And there is help.

                But add up these two things:
                - there is no simple or complex solution
                и
                - it’s so simple ..

                - Well - it doesn’t add up .. Maybe I really don’t understand what .. fundamental ?? U - oooo ... I feel bad .. crying
                1. Wheel
                  Wheel 10 February 2016 02: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Damn ... guys, I’ve been working as a programmer for 20 + years .. ERP, which is not computer games, but also games, but a little different .. I can think with my head. Well, that is, it seems, not quite a fool. And not crazy. And there is help.

                  But add up these two things:
                  - there is no simple or complex solution
                  и
                  - it’s so simple ..

                  - Well - it doesn’t add up .. Maybe I really don’t understand what .. fundamental ?? U - oooo ... I feel bad ..

                  If you work as a programmer, then, for sure, you should be decently familiar with mathematics.
                  When a task has neither a simple nor a complex solution, then the task just has no solution (under given initial conditions).
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 10 February 2016 03: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: Wheel
                    When a task has neither a simple nor a complex solution, then the task simply does not have a solution (given the initial conditions)

                    Mdya .. that can not but rejoice .. sad

                    I just know what "change of initial conditions" is. On the blackboard, where it is drawn with chalk, it is easier than easy. In life, it is much more difficult and, as a rule, also not painless.

                    That is why, to the message "Yes, we were all robbed," I answer: "Yes. And now I have to live with it."

                    And nothing else.
                    1. Wheel
                      Wheel 10 February 2016 03: 44
                      +6
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      I just know what "change of initial conditions" is. On the blackboard, where it is drawn with chalk, it is easier than easy. In life, it is much more difficult and, as a rule, also not painless.

                      And who said that should be simple and painless?
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      That is why, to the message "Yes, we were all robbed," I answer: "Yes. And now I have to live with it."

                      And nothing else.

                      And what will you answer to these people?
                      The factory, by the way, was closed ...
          2. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 01: 45
            +2
            Quote: Wheel
            And this is not agitation, it is a statement of fact.

            This is a fact, Kamrad! yes
            What will I do for people? ! Danko shouted harder than thunder.
            And suddenly he tore his chest with his hands and tore his heart out of it and held it high above his head.
            ... It glowed as bright as the sun, and brighter than the sun, and the whole forest fell silent, illuminated by this torch of great love for people, and the darkness shattered from its light and there, deep in the forest, trembling, fell ... And Danko all was ahead, and his heart was still burning, burning! ...
            The proud daredevil Danko looked ahead of himself to the expanse of the steppe - he threw a joyful look at the free land and laughed proudly. And then he fell and - died.

            People, joyful and full of hope, did not notice his death and did not see that his brave heart was still burning next to the corpse of Danko.
            Only one cautious person noticed this and, fearing something, stepped on a proud heart with his foot ... And now it, scattering into sparks, died out ...

            That's how we live, Kamarad ....
      2. poquello
        poquello 10 February 2016 01: 15
        +1
        Quote: Wheel
        Quote: AGVPagan
        The trouble V.V. Putin, he does not give up his! But in vain.

        Well, how can he hand over someone if one of them is himself?

        so you don’t give him a Mauser, but revolutionists don’t go with stechkin
  • ser-pov
    ser-pov 9 February 2016 22: 08
    -17 qualifying.
    Very similar to a paid article! Everything is bad and thieves are in power ..... Well, well ...
    1. jaguar
      jaguar 9 February 2016 23: 14
      12
      What do you? Everything is wonderful with us !!! Here at customs, by the way, it’s not clear where they took us ... think about only 2.5 trillion rubles. for 2015 and neither landings nor silence still.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 9 February 2016 23: 26
        +6
        Quote: jaguar
        Here at customs, by the way, it’s not clear where they took us ... think about only 2.5 trillion rubles. for 2015 and neither landings nor silence still.

        How is it not clear where?
        Shrinkage, utruska, evaporation from unpressurized containers ... laughing
  • APASUS
    APASUS 9 February 2016 22: 09
    16
    A system built on bribes works only for itself. The official feeds on business.
    There was only one condition for the sale of RAO UES. The state gives power to a private trader, and he forms the investment program for the amount that he had to pay to the state budget and invests in capacity development.
    So there is not a single publication that someone demanded that the conditions of investment programs be fully met. If the program costs $ XNUMX billion. That’s a couple of three million $ bribes to the official for closing their mouths at a very real price.
    And what is happening in Sertolovo, the result of the work of a modern private business, wait, they will soon begin to evict for 5 thousand
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 9 February 2016 22: 42
      -2
      Quote: APASUS
      There was only one condition for the sale of RAO UES. The state gives power to a private trader, and he forms the investment program for the amount that he had to pay to the state budget and invests in capacity development.

      Private trader did not, essno ..

      Quote: APASUS
      So there is not a single publication that someone demanded that the conditions of investment programs be fully met. If the program costs $ 1 billion. That’s a couple of three million $ bribes to an official for closing his mouth at a very real price

      There is such a mechanic, yes ..

      Quote: APASUS
      And what is happening in Sertolovo, the result of the work of a modern private business, wait, they will soon begin to evict for 5 thousand

      Afraid ..

      ---

      As a pessimistic optimist - I’ll say my IMHU:

      - all the jambs are fixed. And sooner or later they will be presented.
      - the same Nabiullina - how many banks-laundries closed in the last six months? Look at the statistics, everything is open ..

      And the energy company personally sends me bills - yes, just from the bulldozer .. "according to statistics" (as it says in the bill !!!). Okay, I'm blind, I'm crying .. then for a couple of months minus bills come .. and then I start laughing quietly ..
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 10 February 2016 19: 48
        +2
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        - all the jambs are fixed. And sooner or later they will be presented.

        I have nothing more to answer your statement except in the words of Nekrasov:
        The only pity is to live in this beautiful time
        I do not have to - neither me nor you.

        Quote: Cat Man Null
        - the same Nabiullina - how many banks-laundries closed in the last six months? Look at the statistics, everything is open ..

        And then Nabiulina with their banks ephemeral and the price per kilowatt that we pay?
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        And the energy company sends me bills personally - it’s just from the bulldozer.

        From the bulda all the time it’s somehow strange, it doesn’t come to me from the bald !!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 01
      -1
      We must develop our own, private, thermonuclear energy. In general, we are well behind in the generation of electricity from nuclear plants from the United States - they have 100 reactors with a total capacity of 99,2 GW, and Russia has 34 with a capacity of 24,7 GW.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 9 February 2016 23: 15
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        I need my own, private, thermonuclear energy

        Vadim, I’m already afraid of this phrase .. and you? wink
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 32
          +2
          Why it should be scary is the prospect of the distant future, but for now we will introduce solar panels, geothermal heating, and energy-saving technologies and materials, as well as household appliances with less energy consumption A +++
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 9 February 2016 23: 43
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            solar panels, geothermal heating

            Damn .. in Russia, yeah ..

            Quote: Vadim237
            Energy Saving Technologies

            I have all the light bulbs right now - LEDs .. 5 watts, do not heat up, do not burn out (4 months already, which for my conditions is anomalously many) .. only they stand .. inhumane laughing

            Quote: Vadim237
            energy-saving technologies and materials, as well as household appliances with lower energy consumption A +++

            Your lips .. yes grunt the honey, huh ..
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 57
              +1
              In Yakutia, the guys began to introduce solar power plants, and in Kamchatka geothermal heating has been working and generating electricity for a long time - in Russia everything is possible, there would have been a wish, Gazprom had recently distinguished itself, started using expander energy turbines on gas pipelines, what kind of mini energy-saving lamps do you have for 5 watt?
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 10 February 2016 00: 26
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                What kind of mini energy-saving bulbs do you have on 5 watts?

                Too lazy to turn out, take pictures, overtake on a computer .. 5 watts declared power, LED, "warm" (I do not like .. blue laughing), shines about like a forty-watt from Siemens.

                That's all the info for now.

                Tomorrow, if necessary, I’ll get to the store, I will take an interest in more detail - what kind of animals I got myself at home.
              2. Wheel
                Wheel 10 February 2016 00: 33
                +5
                Quote: Vadim237
                In Yakutia, the guys began to introduce solar power plants

                No, well? Why not?
                Such nuances that 90% of the territory is located north of the 60 degree and in the most energy-intensive winter time a couple of hours of daylight hours - who cares?
                In the same territories with the same enthusiasm, corn was sown. laughing
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 10 February 2016 01: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: Wheel
                  Such nuances that 90% of the territory is located north of the 60 degree and in the most energy-intensive winter time a couple of hours of daylight hours - who cares?

                  Not Vadim - for sure. Well, I hinted at that ..
                  1. Wheel
                    Wheel 10 February 2016 01: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Not Vadim - for sure.

                    laughing
            2. poquello
              poquello 10 February 2016 00: 50
              +1
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Quote: Vadim237
              solar panels, geothermal heating

              Damn .. in Russia, yeah ..

              Quote: Vadim237
              Energy Saving Technologies

              I have all the light bulbs right now - LEDs .. 5 watts, do not heat up, do not burn out (4 months already, which for my conditions is anomalously many) .. only they stand .. inhumane laughing
              ..

              I took HZ for 300 with a tail due to a burnout of the gas lamp in the toilet, the hood is throttling probably paid off in all respects, over a year their work has already exceeded.
  • Suhov
    Suhov 9 February 2016 22: 11
    25
    Just the other day I heard:
    Who said everything is getting more expensive?
    No, not all.
    Here, for example, salaries are getting cheaper ...
    And do not argue ...
    wassat
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 9 February 2016 22: 30
      +3
      Do you specifically, the salary fell? (I don’t). And as everything went up, it went up in price before, regardless of the crisis, not the crisis ...
      It’s just convenient to write off everything for the crisis ...
      I’ll add, still yelling at every corner, how bad everything is ... tomorrow we will all die ...
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 9 February 2016 23: 13
        +3
        This is a terrible word- crisis !!!
      2. poquello
        poquello 10 February 2016 01: 10
        0
        Quote: Masya Masya
        You specifically, the salary has fallen in price? ( I do not have)....

        if roughly, salary policy depends on the urban elite
    2. poquello
      poquello 10 February 2016 01: 03
      +4
      Quote: Sukhov
      Just the other day I heard:
      Who said everything is getting more expensive?
      No, not all.
      Here, for example, salaries are getting cheaper ...
      And do not argue ...
      wassat

      In, this is Chubais-style - we will shift the burden of problems (sanctions) onto the shoulders of the people.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 01: 27
        +5
        Quote: poquello
        In, this is Chubais-style - we will shift the burden of problems (sanctions) onto the shoulders of the people.

        Privatization of income, nationalization of expenses!
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 10 February 2016 01: 41
          +4
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Privatization of income, nationalization of expenses!

          As my namesake Machiavelli used to say, or rather wrote, "you have to take from the poor, there are many of them")))
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 01: 54
            +1
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            you need to take from the poor, there are many of them ")))

            Unfortunately, they read your namesake, and the words in
            as a motto, put on their shield plebeian prosecutors sad
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 9 February 2016 22: 19
    12
    The recidivist thief Chubais, who recently called for Russia to be part of the so-called "Ukraine", is still robbing the country without a twinge of conscience and with the silence of the "guarantor". All his fosterlings work and are approved by the same "guarantor". What else to talk about then ?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 03
      0
      In 2018, Chubais will most likely be "dumped" along with Rusnano.
      1. SergeyA
        9 February 2016 23: 19
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        In 2018, Chubais will most likely be "dumped" along with Rusnano.

        Who is to dump it?
        And who will look after the guarantor for a new term?
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    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 9 February 2016 23: 32
      -1
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      What else then to talk about?

      Wolf .. calmer .. time is running .. against Chubais .. that’s only survived laughing
  • Hecate
    Hecate 9 February 2016 22: 19
    +7
    All to please the huckster. For example, duties on the sale of oil and gas have been reduced, and for the population, prices have been raised for gasoline and gas and electricity ... It's time to shorten the golden parachutes to impudent bureaucrats and force them to answer with personal property for loans issued to foreigners that the Russian Federation has not returned.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 9 February 2016 23: 35
      -5
      Quote: Hecate
      for example, oil and gas sales duties reduced

      Link to the document, please.

      Quote: Hecate
      for the population raise prices for gasoline and gas and electricity

      Yeah .. exactly with the growth of the dollar, or almost not so nevertheless ??

      Quote: Hecate
      It's time to shorten the golden parachutes to the brazen bureaucrats

      Grabbed .. words on the Internet ... who has the Golden Parachutes?

      Quote: Hecate
      make them be liable for personal loans issued to foreignersthat the Russian Federation never returned.

      Clinic. There’s nowhere to mark.
      1. Hecate
        Hecate 10 February 2016 00: 34
        +6
        You will find the articles on reducing duties on the sale of oil and gas abroad, I’m not your servant. Personally, I did not give consent to issue loans to any Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan and others, and even more so to write off debts to these countries. It is not necessary to be kind to the Russian government at the expense of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation. If officials want to feed Ukraine, or Kyrgyzstan, let them do it at their own expense, and not at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation, or resign. Russia needs a government that will think about Russia and not about foreigners, by the way Russia who does not love and spend on its territory is openly Nazi anti-Russian politics.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 10 February 2016 00: 54
          -1
          Quote: Hecate
          You will find articles on reducing duties on the sale of oil and gas abroad yourself, I’m not your serf

          Usually, if someone says something here, he is ready to answer for his words.

          Forcing someone (me, in particular) to seek confirmation of your .. bazaar, I'm sorry - there is rudeness. Naked. yes

          Quote: Hecate
          Personally, I did not agree to grant loans to any Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan and others, and even more so to write off debts to these countries.

          And you are nobody in this context. If you want to know why debts are written off, read the literature. Special.

          Notice, I am not forcing you to do this.

          Quote: Hecate
          If officials want to feed Ukraine, or Kyrgyzstan, let them do it at their own expense, and not at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation, or resign. Russia needs a government that will think about Russia and not about foreigners, by the way Russia who does not love and spend on its territory is openly Nazi anti-Russian politics.

          Another squirrel .. something a lot of them were jumping around here now ..

          You have mixed in your brains-phrases - "blood, sweat, sand, d-mo and girlish tears." And what do you think someone will understand this mixture for you now?

          Nah No.
  • Consul-t
    Consul-t 9 February 2016 22: 21
    +8
    I don’t see a single commentary of our defenders and champions of the guarantor of the constitution. Where are you?
    Patriots?
    In this article, PR can not be scouted. True, do not do with her ...
    1. swag
      swag 9 February 2016 22: 27
      +4
      Pity the GDP. With whom he will work, he will clearly. He clearly said there’s no one to work with!
  • kepmor
    kepmor 9 February 2016 22: 22
    19
    Quote: Flinky
    The red thief should be hanging.

    Yes, who will hang him? Really Putin with his friends-Jews?
    He is a "monument of the era" and "the father of Russian liberasty" - and you hang, and hang!
    And then who will be the "overseer" in the second wave of privatization of state property "close to the body of our sun like" ?! What if something goes wrong? Who to ask advice?
    So many "working years in the galleys", so much backbreaking work in recent years:
    -first, at the expense of the state budget, they created and pumped up the loot of the State Corporation, Banks- liquidity, her mother is ...
    -Babok earned unmeasured ...
    -The Central Bank sent the ruble to ..y, and with it all of us, the liquidity and value of assets are plummeting ... it's time to all-down ... to lower the price, besides!
    Well, how can you do without "rusty"!
    And you hang, but hang .... straight offensive, you know ....!
    1. ty60
      ty60 9 February 2016 23: 11
      +3
      Okay. Chop off the red tail. On the ears.
    2. Shm
      Shm 10 February 2016 10: 09
      +1
      All right said
  • Starik72
    Starik72 9 February 2016 22: 23
    14
    I read the article, and some letters fell out of my mouth! I am not a supporter of bloody reprisals, but I come to the conclusion that we need 37 years against these bastards of bureaucrats and oligarchs, profiting from the troubles and hardships of ordinary people. And what do you think dear forum users! Sincerely.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 9 February 2016 22: 24
    13
    As the anti-people regime aimed at destroying the country came to power, so the prices for everything are constantly rising, and such garbage has been around for about 30 years. In the USSR, prices have not changed for years, and by the new year and holidays, some goods have become cheaper. And now, as the new year passes and, on housing and communal services, travel, gas prices immediately go up, and our speculators immediately lift up prices to the top, and the president and the government don’t give a damn about it
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    2. SergeyA
      9 February 2016 23: 07
      +4
      Quote: Yak28

      Yak28
      (1)

      Today, 22: 24

      ↓ New


      As the anti-people regime aimed at destroying the country came to power, so the prices for everything are constantly rising, and such garbage has been around for 30 years

      But there is no country. There is a corporation - Russia. The constitution illegally adopted by Yeltsin legalized the looting of the country. But Putin consciously continues this.
  • Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 9 February 2016 22: 24
    +9
    Quote: vglazunov
    Why is electricity so expensive in Russia? Answer: crooks like Chubais and other oligarchy need to be fed.

    Well, can we help the "orphans"? I propose to throw off the entire population of 10 paper rubles and cram into their throats, I think there will be enough bag on the snout, money. To get drunk at last.

    Quote: Starik72
    I read the article, and some letters fell out of my mouth! I am not a supporter of bloody reprisals, but I come to the conclusion that we need 37 years against these bastards of bureaucrats and oligarchs, profiting from the troubles and hardships of ordinary people. And what do you think dear forum users! Sincerely.


    Do you think in 36-38 years of the twentieth century they shot for beautiful eyes? Just such as Chubais and another riffraff put to the wall so that more than the material component, did not want to.
    1. Hecate
      Hecate 9 February 2016 22: 27
      +6
      Here you already need to throw off snipers in order to reduce the number of gobbling red thieves and haml
      1. ty60
        ty60 9 February 2016 23: 12
        +4
        Why, Kvachkova amnesty.
        1. SergeyA
          9 February 2016 23: 44
          0
          Quote: ty60
          Why, Kvachkova amnesty.

          And immediately, instead of Putin.
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    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 09
      -3
      In 36 - 38, they even shot them on the left, so tens of thousands of our best military personnel were repressed, and recognition was knocked out.
  • pavel12345
    pavel12345 9 February 2016 22: 31
    12
    Putin used to talk about patriotism, but here such news is filled with resentment and anger ..
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Hecate
      Hecate 9 February 2016 23: 30
      +8
      If Putin begins to hang on lampposts: Chubais, Kiriyenko, Yarovaya, Yavlinsky, Yakunin, Romodanovsky and the like, then you can talk about his patriotism, but for now it's just Putin's tales. ..Actual thing ... Putin is certainly not Yeltsin, but he is far from a patriot ...
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 10 February 2016 01: 16
        -3
        Quote: Hecate
        Putin is certainly not Yeltsin, but he is far from a patriot ...

        A true patriot is, of course ...

        HECATE!!!

        Hecate in the presidency .. yeah ..

        Dummkopf .. Rotznase
  • Hauptam
    Hauptam 9 February 2016 22: 32
    +7
    Everything according to the Constitution, Article 9 may be privately owned, it (electricity) is in their ownership, and it is our duty to blame no one to blame ourselves since 1993
  • red joni
    red joni 9 February 2016 22: 34
    +5
    In the Kremlin, electricity was turned off. Putin forgot to pay for electricity. Lenin got up and left. Chubais twisted a ruby ​​star from Spasskaya Tower for debts. When this actually happens then we will immediately begin to pay much less for electricity. wassat laughing
  • Million
    Million 9 February 2016 22: 35
    +3
    Why is electricity so expensive in Russia?

    Because oil is getting cheaper! It’s necessary to patch up the budget somehow. Now, when everyone puts meters on water, the cost of water supply will sharply rise
  • shura7782
    shura7782 9 February 2016 22: 36
    +5
    Our communal expenses will only grow, and grow every year. The purchase price of housing will fall. Housing will be available, but its monthly maintenance will be available, not for everyone. Therefore, they will choose it by monthly income. You can contain - you buy. You can’t keep it - you take it cheaper. To this we are walking in a broad step. This is no longer a forecast.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 12
      -3
      We are heading towards energy conservation, as well as to private generating capacities such as solar panels.
  • Blaster
    Blaster 9 February 2016 22: 39
    +9
    Communism is Soviet power + electrification of the whole country. Communism and the Soviet government whether *** now get rid of electricity
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 9 February 2016 22: 39
    +5
    ... electricity tariffs are rising, despite the depreciating energy carriers. Although a kilowatt hour in Russia is already more expensive than in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus and even Italy.

    So this was the true goal of the reform of the electric power industry, which was carried out ...., of course, the unsinkable red-haired young reformer who promised competition for electricity suppliers and, thereby, reduction of tariffs! Bought on libesny .. demagoguery Gaidar shobla and now we are reaping the benefits and will reap for a long time!
    1. shura7782
      shura7782 9 February 2016 22: 50
      +1
      No need to look for a connection with the price of energy or any other factors affecting the price of a communal apartment. The price of housing maintenance will increase no matter what. Now it’s important for us - how fast this growth will be observed.
  • theodore rasp
    theodore rasp 9 February 2016 22: 41
    +7
    Quote: Masya Masya
    I pay 280 rubles at my place in Siberia. per month, for a three-bedroom ... To be precise, I have 45 ..



    According to Kaliningrad tariffs, 78 kW burned out for you. Do you have one 40 W bulb for the whole apartment?
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 9 February 2016 22: 43
      +3
      Are you laughing Nobody canceled the refrigerator, TV and computer! I’m not talking about light ...
  • Gerurra
    Gerurra 9 February 2016 22: 41
    +6
    Why is it so expensive? Because St. Petersburg thieves are in power !!!! And the red root of GDP.
  • Mcarrow
    Mcarrow 9 February 2016 22: 43
    11
    in Murmansk, an advanced businessman put a windmill in his hotel to save electricity and drain the surplus into the public network, so he was forced to shut off the court. And on the proposal of the nuclear icebreaker base to supply electric energy to the common network, the icebreakers do not turn off the icebreakers in the parking lots in order to save money. Murmanenergo said that you can’t maintain their standard. The whole answer about the prices is their cow and they milk it themselves and no one. will not be allowed into the barn
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 15
      +1
      And under what pretext did they carry the businessman, what article?
    2. poquello
      poquello 10 February 2016 01: 31
      +2
      Quote: McArrow
      in Murmansk, an advanced businessman put a windmill in his hotel to save electricity and drain the surplus into the public network, so he was forced to shut off the court. And on the proposal of the nuclear icebreaker base to supply electric energy to the common network, the icebreakers do not turn off the icebreakers in the parking lots in order to save money. Murmanenergo said that you can’t maintain their standard. The whole answer about the prices is their cow and they milk it themselves and no one. will not be allowed into the barn

      This is precisely the main reason - the problem of unfinished monopolism.
  • zulus222
    zulus222 9 February 2016 22: 44
    +8
    THE ONLY EXIT WHICH I SEE THIS IS TO TRANSFER THE ENERGY COMPLEX AND THE BOW IN THE HANDS OF THE STATE.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 9 February 2016 22: 52
      +5
      Aha - to pick up from friends and to hell those to whom to give. Here we need a great political will and ... a change of half of the government with a bear at the head. angry
    2. shura7782
      shura7782 9 February 2016 23: 05
      +2
      I fully agree with you. But prices will still rise and then we will murmur against the government. Does he need this? They have foreseen this for a long time and, as it were, no longer in business. You can even hear the sympathetic notes of the upper classes. Tricky!
  • rvn69
    rvn69 9 February 2016 22: 51
    +5
    Everywhere thieves, wherever you spit,
    And each of them flies "to the kingdom" ...
    I love my homeland
    But I hate the state!

    Yevtushenko wrote a poem about 15 years ago, but nothing has changed.
  • thinker
    thinker 9 February 2016 22: 55
    0
    Although a kilowatt hour in Russia is already more expensive than in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus and even Italy.

    If there are no specific figures, doubts arise.
    Prices for 2015 How much electricity costs in different countries of the world
    http://energonews.kz/?p=1696
  • 71rus
    71rus 9 February 2016 22: 56
    0
    Yes, of course, officials have gone too far, have become obese!
    With those who are to blame, the answer is as clear as white day - officials are to blame, but what to do?
    To write to the governor of the region, to the prosecutor’s office authorized by human rights in the region, and to copy to the reception of the president of the Russian Federation. The silence of the officials just can not win!
  • Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 9 February 2016 22: 56
    +6
    Goerlo-2. The article is the time of the night from December 21 to December 22. But in general .... alas ... but they carefully distract attention ... with all sorts of Syria, Ukraine ... there is. Sapienti sat.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 20
      +2
      In our country there is also "Housing and Utilities 2.0 - a complete razvodilovo" this is also with street cleaning, garbage disposal, thorough repairs, water supply, gasification.
  • sw6513
    sw6513 9 February 2016 22: 59
    +2
    The government offers even tighter belt ties ..
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 9 February 2016 23: 03
      +1
      I would like to pull on their 168 kg of sofa weight. That would throw off the excess. Stocked up in case of nuclear war. : 0)
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 9 February 2016 22: 59
    +3
    As it turns out, it’s just to introduce discord into a kind of close-knit team ...
  • Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 9 February 2016 23: 00
    0
    Why in our country EVERYTHING rises in price (?) .., but maybe soon it will start to get cheaper ...
    http://delyagin.ru/news/92106-ministr-yustitcii-ssha-obyavil-rassledovanie-po-pr

    iznakam-manipulyatcii-kursom-rublya.html
    [i] Mikhail Delyagin noted: "Information that The US Secretary of Justice has announced an investigation into the manipulation of the ruble exchange rate (as advised by Russian Presidential Advisor S. Yu. Glazyev in this interview), is hushed up by the liberal media of Russia as much as his speeches.
  • Lumumba
    Lumumba 9 February 2016 23: 01
    -2
    Last month, 470 p. for 143 kWh (Yekaterinburg). All lamps are energy-saving, gas, two computers, one is turned on around the clock, a refrigerator, a washing machine, it works 3-4 times a week (children). There is no zombie creature. Parents in a village (Tatarstan) paid 320 p. for 117 kWh

    The article is a literate stuffing, designed for sofa analysts, for which parents or wives pay. Take a look at the calculations, do not be lazy, for once. And then look at how much the former Soviet republics or "enlightened Europe" pay for electricity, for example. Many will be very surprised, and some will even fall at Chubais's feet.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 9 February 2016 23: 08
      +3
      Perhaps you are not aware of how some management companies count for "house lighting" twice against the counter. I personally saw such receipts ... Of course, the question is not in the cost of a kilowatt ... but since such a booze has gone ...
      1. poquello
        poquello 10 February 2016 01: 40
        0
        Quote: Ecilop
        Perhaps you are not aware of how some management companies count for "house lighting" twice against the counter. I personally saw such receipts ... Of course, the question is not in the cost of a kilowatt ... but since such a booze has gone ...

        if you do not know the responsibility for such tricks is growing and I hope the course will not change
    2. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 9 February 2016 23: 12
      +2
      But in general, yes ... the cost of kW is quite acceptable with us ... but it would be better to bring complete clarity into the accounting.
    3. KBR109
      KBR109 9 February 2016 23: 19
      +2
      I would pay 143r for 610. One country seems to be.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 23
      0
      And by no means does it interfere with old payments being verified against new ones - a lot of surprises and tricks can be found there.
    5. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 10 February 2016 02: 23
      +1
      Quote: Lumumba
      Last month, 470 p. for 143

      Ulan-ude for the last month 2010 rubles for electric energy ...
  • AlexSK
    AlexSK 9 February 2016 23: 01
    0
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  • Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 9 February 2016 23: 08
    +5
    With all these increases in tariffs, Mr. Medvedev is "patching up" his utter incompetence in economic matters.
  • In..
    In.. 9 February 2016 23: 09
    0
    We are passengers in "our" country .. and they are gentlemen ..
  • Gunther
    Gunther 9 February 2016 23: 09
    +1
    Well, everything is obvious here - in the footsteps of the Red Pasyuk, an "effective owner" has come, he wants everything at once, a legitimate system of robbery of Russian citizens has been created (housing and communal services, taxes, etc.), at the expense of citizens, usurers-producers of financial bubbles (m. vedomosti.ru/finance/articles/2015/01/15/kto-poluchit-trillion), not real producers.
    Sadly all this.
  • kam4atka
    kam4atka 9 February 2016 23: 10
    +4
    These are bad boyars, and the king is good.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 9 February 2016 23: 15
      +3
      Consider giving you 100500 pluses. :)
  • Olkass
    Olkass 9 February 2016 23: 13
    +1
    For educational program: http://wattrouter.ru/info/tariffs.html
    For the gifted, Red left the energy industry in 2007.
    So let me report - oddly enough it sounds, it was Red that prevented the unified energy system from being destroyed (I mean heat generation). The amount of kickbacks was standard - no more than 10% of the value of contracts (with the division of the gesheft in proportion to the "tables" of ranks). With him, money was allocated not only for repairs, but also for investments. In any case, it was enough for tolerable maintenance of the equipment in working order. In addition, there were no complaints about wages and bonuses from employees. The level of engineering and technical personnel was at an acceptable level.
    In 2007. it is "gone". (I recommend to see this link at the beginning)
    In the very first year of the taxiing of the "God-given private investor", the repair program was reduced by 5 times, with further annual castration. All advertised "new" investment projects - all were financed before 2007. Equipment (main) was purchased, which these comrades "leaked", and equipment that was discontinued 15 years ago and was gathering dust in bourgeois warehouses was purchased for new facilities under construction. It was bought with a decent discount, taking into account the leaked equipment, and it turned out to be a good gesheft.
    In the appendage, a huge number of energy repair enterprises were collapsed under various pretexts. Try to start a decent repair or modernization at a CHP plant - cry in search of a professional contractor.
    There is no NP for emergency cases in warehouses. The heads of enterprises and chief engineers for warehouse balances beat at least the ruble. For more than a year or two, characters in these positions at enterprises do not linger (do not hold). Draw your own conclusions from this.
    Since then, the salaries of ordinary mortals have not been raised in the physical sense, i.e. salaries were raised, bonuses were cut. At the exit, a "gain" with a minus was obtained.
    Accordingly, the average level of qualification of engineering personnel at the moment in terms of knowledge varies: from Edita Piek to go on .. .. (from a joke about a Russian and Soviet officer)
    For example, if some company protects tariffs based on costs in the region of 2 billion rubles. for a year, then they carry a real cost of a maximum of 700 million rubles.
    So who is redhead is still a big question.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 9 February 2016 23: 16
      +3
      Are you working in the energy sector or facts from an Internet?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 43
      -2
      In principle, it is true that the equipment for diagnostics, salaries, service staff, components, the power equipment itself - the costs are huge.
    3. Energetik81
      Energetik81 10 February 2016 18: 26
      +1
      Everything is correct, except that CHPPs gave it to Chubais in private hands. Just 2007. Moor did his job and left.
  • magician
    magician 9 February 2016 23: 13
    +5
    although before the start of the reform, Anatoly Chubais promised many miracles, including halving the price of electricity in three years!

    this gentleman’s stigma is no longer in fluff, everything is already overgrown with moss. he is still a figure, as much as he promised us all, but we, as children, believe in fairy tales. Here it’s indicative to put to the wall, maybe the rest will think. It is a pity that this type is untouchable.
    But to butt with the electric power industry itself is more expensive. Even if you have in your hands irrefutable evidence of fraud networks. Not reform is needed, but transfer to full state ownership. Energy cannot be unprofitable!
  • Amper
    Amper 9 February 2016 23: 15
    +7
    ////// In Russia itself, millions of consumers are also sure that they are being deceived. But they don’t understand exactly how and what they should do now .///////////

    The only way to save the country is to throw off the power of thieves and crooks. Return to key places in the management of the country and the production of specialists, while they are still in power, to channel the energy of effective managers to felling. And everyone to go to the polls !!!!
  • Igor V
    Igor V 9 February 2016 23: 21
    +1
    The author is not quite in the subject. In the USSR, 2 kopecks were paid in rural areas and in areas adjacent to powerful hydroelectric power stations (due to the fact that it is difficult to maintain current standards there - frequency, voltage). Apparently, the installed capacity is generation, otherwise it turns out that RAO owned the whole country.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 9 February 2016 23: 41
      +3
      4 kopecks per kW with gas stoves, 2 or 3 kopecks per kW with electric stoves. Sverdlovsk. (Current Yekaterinburg) The point is the cost of generation at that time .. Perhaps where it was more expensive. And in the villages, yes .. there are problems. But only because of the imbalance in transmission / consumption. However, as now in many collective gardens in the district of large cities.
  • VP
    VP 9 February 2016 23: 22
    -5
    I’m thinking ... If at topwar, at the military resources, no one is surprised at the placement of materials that in no way affect the specialization of the resource, maybe it makes sense to start posting notes about movie news, about programming techniques, about city news? Well, why not, why is their discussion worse?
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 9 February 2016 23: 44
      +4
      Nothing. In addition, the comments here are more interesting than the article. And this says a lot about the resource, and visitors.

      :)
      1. VP
        VP 10 February 2016 00: 25
        -2
        You see, each resource has its own niche which collects targeted visitors to the resource. This resource is declared as a military, it lures those who are interested in this topic and there are many experts in this topic.
        And on other non-core topics, as Osya Bender said, "the class of the game is not high." Simply because it does not arouse interest among "topic professionals".
        For energy or domestic politics, the economy, I can easily find a cloud of specialized resources and blogs where all this will be at a higher level of discussion and not as here at the level of emotions without knowledge of topics. Yes, even an afteshok, for example, although not without big reservations. You can't make a "portal about everything".
        Here's an example of bmpd which is often retyped here. Have you seen at least one material not on the profile?
        Yes, even the Ukrainian Andrew Bt, even he does not fall into boring politicking.
        And here, such a feeling, the editors weakly hold the focus of the resource. Sometimes open political hitchhikers skip here too, by September their number will increase significantly
        Well, why is there such a politicalpop?
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 10 February 2016 01: 10
          +4
          VP - wars and politics live in one world, like crooks and honest people. And on the topic of military we can talk, and on the topic - how to live on. Do not narrow your horizon.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 February 2016 23: 45
      -2
      Better scientific solutions and problems.
  • Zema2307
    Zema2307 9 February 2016 23: 25
    +4
    Something tells us that it is time to do business inside the country, otherwise everything looks fine with us, but what about us ??
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 10 February 2016 01: 07
      11
      Today was the speech of Zyuganov, Boldyrev and several other smart people. A clear layout of the situation was given and how the country can get out of this continuous slip into the garbage pit of history.
      Wreck the election. I will vote for the Communists, although I do not recognize Zyuganov himself, but a young wave can and should join the party. And socialism, whatever one may say, is our only right choice.
      And then the United Russia are falling into a flock for all-round defense. But it's time for them to relax.
      1. Magadan
        Magadan 10 February 2016 03: 29
        +8
        I support you on 100%.

        You don’t look at my flag - I am from Russia. And I vote for the Communist Party from the beginning of 90x.
        Bullied and liberals and thieves from Edrossni (that is, EP), that under the patriots mow.
        In the swamp Russia. Similarly, the feeling of that frog, which was lowered into the water and the water is slowly heated. Therefore, the frog does not immediately feel a damn and does not jump out of the water. It is welded alive. So are we.

        Quote: NordUral
        And socialism, whatever one may say, is our only right choice.


        Exactly! Socialism is essentially the same collegiality that is always inherent in both Russian and other peoples of Russia.
      2. vladimirw
        vladimirw 11 February 2016 12: 31
        +2
        And then the United Russia are falling into a flock for all-round defense. But it's time for them to relax.
        Or maybe still in prison?