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Alarming reports from Khasavyurt

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The Dagestan Khasavyurt, which many Russians associate with, to put it mildly, dubious 1996 agreements of the year, has recently identified itself as a hotbed of tension. The leading Russian media apparently thought that the Khasavyurt events of the day of today's special attention are not worthy, and as a result it turned out that there was no problem in this North Caucasian city. But in reality, the situation in Khasavyurt cannot be called calm at all, and if the problem is kept silent, then this is hardly the case when the problem can “resolve” itself. So what are we talking about?


And talking about the fact that in Khasavyurt recently there have been several protests of representatives of the local population at once. People walked through the streets of the 140-thousandth city with an expression of obvious discontent on the harsh faces, the outrage of which, as they themselves announced, was caused by the closing of the so-called “northern” mosque. The severity of the faces of some disgruntled, which draws special attention to themselves, hid the mask.

Alarming reports from Khasavyurt


One of the protest processions gathered, according to the most modest estimates, up to 7 thousands of people. Basically, these are strong men and young people who, shouting “Allah Akbar!”, Walked along one of the central streets of Khasavyurt, stopping at a mass prayer arranged right on the roadway. Flashing cars and hooters passing by cars showed clear solidarity with the marching in the direction of the mosque. It was the height of the working day ...

The closing of the “northern” mosque in Khasavyurt was made on the evening of January 31. Law enforcement officers brewed a metal front door, which served as an impulse to anger. The Dagestan police do not publish detailed information, but from short publications made on social networks and on a number of regional media resources, it was found out that this is a Salafi mosque, in which ideas were preached, to put it mildly, not quite close to the canons of classical Islam.

For reference: Salafis (by definition, the Salafis themselves) are representatives of the Sunni religious group who reject any innovations in Islam that (innovations) appeared after the death of the Prophet Mohammed. Salafists profess the so-called proto-Islam, and their attitude to the modern image of the Muslim religion is not particularly favored. Salafia (the religious current itself) prohibits pilgrimages to the burial places of Muslim preachers, saints, since such a pilgrimage is considered to be "worship of the dead." Salafi interprets the conversion of a person to the righteous and the prophets (not only to Muhammad) as a manifestation of polytheism and deviation from the norms of Islam. Salafists are trying to resolve any issues of public relations on the basis of an appeal to the Qur'an, virtually ignoring any kind of social, political and civic (secular) activity. Salafia forbids Muslims to enter into conflicts with each other, but in some cases the conflicts that arise are easily explained by the fact that "Muslims have ceased to be Muslims and have become apostates." In general, the principle is approximately the following: who expresses a religious opinion that is different from Salafi’s is a “non-Muslim” ... In some cases, Salafists are associated with Wahhabis.

According to law enforcement agencies, in Dagestan there are quite a few so-called Salafi mosques, in a number of which recruitment of members to certain extremist organizations has been and continues to be carried out. According to unverified data so far, it is on these religious sites that a kind of work is being carried out with parishioners, the ultimate goal of which is to send a replenishment to the ISIL ranks in Syria and Iraq, for example, through Turkey.

For obvious reasons, representatives of Salafi mosques deny any involvement in the conduct of this kind of work, stating that their task is not recruiting into the ranks of terrorist structures, but quite the contrary - trying to dissuade young people from leaving the “forest”.

According to the Dagestan portals, December 26 of last year, law enforcement officers detained the imam of the very “northern” mosque, around which all the fuss is today. The detention was carried out on the grounds that the Imam had unlawfully stored weapon, including such as (attention!) grenade launcher. The colleagues of the imam "in the shop" immediately declared that the imam was not guilty, and that he was thrown at the grenade launcher by those who want to settle with him (and almost with all the believers of Khasavyurt). Law enforcement agencies are currently investigating how a grenade launcher turned out to be a person who calls himself a champion of Islamic morality and the spiritual mentor of thousands of believers in the city, and why this man preached views far from the canons of religion.

While investigations are being conducted with respect to the arrested imam, in the muftiat of Dagestan it was proposed to appoint the guardian of the “northern” mosque from among those clerics who represent classical Islam and are included in the muftiyat itself recognized by the republic. Apparently, the Salafi groups decided that the “canonical” imam was not the person they wanted to be the guardian of the “northern” mosque. After some time, Muhammad Nabi Sildinsky took the place of the watchman, who in the muftiate of Dagestan was perceived as arbitrariness. And on January 31, as already mentioned, the door to the mosque simply brewed.

Sildinsky himself:



The aforementioned Muhammad Nabi Sildinsky organized a speech in which he demanded that the authorities return him access to the mosque.

From the statement of Sildinsky:
Now I sent a 10 man there - remove the weld, open this door. Allah will not leave it for nothing.


A very disturbing video from the scene in Khasavyurt, published in YouTube a kind of "Council of Scientists Ahly Sunna wa al Jamaa" with an indispensable Salafi nashid (religious chants). The mass character and the obvious organization of the action draws attention.



After some time, Mumamad Nabi Sildinsky called on all those dissatisfied with the closure of the northern mosque of Khasavyurt, as well as a number of other Salafi mosques of Dagestan (for example, the mosque in Shanghai - 29 in January) to gather together with guests in the eastern mosque of Khasavyurt and designate their position . Sildinsky said that for such a case "you need leave my job and postpone any personal matters. "

And this is a video of a special sermon in the Khasavyurt mosque, when the speaker calls the Muslims in the world of Jews and Christians (video from the YouTube channel “Caucasian Politics”) with exclamations of “kindness” on 2: 23: the actual culprits:



Among the Dagestani Muslims there are many who designate such preaching as heretic preaching, in turn, Salafist leaders declare representatives of classical Islam in the republic to be “heretics and polytheists”.

The situation is clearly alarming and demanding to itself, even if it is trite, it sounds like a balanced approach. For obvious reasons, those who continue to finance any attempts to shatter the situation in Russia, without disdaining to use religious tools, will be very happy to take advantage of the unrest in Khasavyurt.

As a supplement: last weekend in the Chechen Republic, next to Dagestan, the council of elders and muftis held a discussion on the growing number of Salafi preachers in the North Caucasus. As a result, the Chechen elders decided to recognize the Salafists as an extremist movement and to carry out the necessary work with the believers so that they could distinguish classical Islam from destructive ideology based on Wahhabism and other, to put it mildly, questionable ideological cults.
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  1. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 9 February 2016 06: 35
    77
    After some time, Muhammad Nabi Sildinsky took the place of guardian, which in the muftiate of Dagestan was perceived as arbitrariness. And on 31 of January, as already mentioned, the door to the mosque was simply welded.
    And they did it right.
    1. Sensatus
      Sensatus 9 February 2016 06: 49
      73
      The Caucasus is destined to be Russia's hot spot for a long time. Like 200 years ago.
      1. warriordima
        warriordima 9 February 2016 07: 26
        37
        It’s like an old unhealed sore, until the operation is completed and completely cured, then all temporary measures and painkillers are useless, so as not to notice the problem.
        1. cniza
          cniza 9 February 2016 07: 44
          70
          No matter how they overslept, a clearly organized opposition is felt.
          1. Shm
            Shm 9 February 2016 09: 57
            55
            In our country, the fight against terrorism will be introduced in the same way as the fight against corruption, those who have stolen billions are released, and those who stole a loaf of bread are planted, just like that, cannon fodder is laid out for every shusher, but those who cover them are left behind. This mosque was built by the brother of the previous head of Khasavyurt, he finances them, and everyone knows it perfectly (the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, and including ordinary people)
            1. Cap.Morgan
              Cap.Morgan 9 February 2016 12: 48
              +3
              The song "Sold Russia" is eternal, it has always been, it is a thousand years old.
              1. gergi
                gergi 9 February 2016 16: 50
                +7
                Actually, they still sell it. Pieces and bits.
          2. the most important
            the most important 9 February 2016 10: 31
            55
            Quote: cniza
            No matter how they overslept, a clearly organized opposition is felt.

            if this happens, then already overslept! Russia is turning from a secular state into a religious one. Especially disturbing is the Muslim-Wahhabi trend. Unfortunately, the preaching of extremism, which had long been predicted, was not crushed in its infancy. It is depressing that in some republics even women - prosecutors instead of uniform hats wear headscarves. Only the secular development of Russia will avoid its collapse. Unfortunately, instead there is a steady movement of the division of citizens by faith, or rather, the split of the country under the guise of faith, under the guise of oppression of faith. How can Salafi preachers even appear? The first comer cannot enter the mosque and begin the sermon. What has been said for a very long time began to creep out ... perhaps this is due to the aggravation with Turkey.
            1. tracker
              tracker 10 February 2016 06: 40
              +8
              most of the preachers of radical Islam studied in Turkish Islamic institutions and were aimed at raising radicalism in Russia
            2. Ivan Ivanovich
              Ivan Ivanovich 10 February 2016 08: 23
              +3
              How sad all this is. Although if you look from the outside and with a sober look, the essence of these "saints" is revealed, who are very far from the true values ​​and people, they push leftist ideas under the guise of religion.
          3. Maxom75
            Maxom75 9 February 2016 11: 17
            19
            Or maybe it is necessary to legislate the main religions as state religions, to ban all other movements and preachers and ardent followers, or to plant, or depriving citizenship of expulsion from the country? The option is not the best, but there is no choice.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 9 February 2016 14: 18
              15
              Quote: Maxom75
              ardent followers or plant, or depriving citizenship of expulsion from the country? The option is not the best, but there is no choice.

              The choice is simple. Let Russian (sovereign) patriotism become the state ideology. When the measure of recognition becomes "think about the Motherland before")).
            2. Darkness
              Darkness 9 February 2016 14: 38
              +3
              What major religions need to be consolidated?
              1. nicolay338
                nicolay338 9 February 2016 15: 25
                0
                He himself does not know))) So, blurted out without thinking)))
                1. Maxom75
                  Maxom75 9 February 2016 23: 38
                  +3
                  Our main ones are: Orthodoxy, Sunni Islam, Shiite, Buddhism, Judaism, Catholicism (a small flock), there are still shamans of the northern peoples, but they are few. Protestantism, Baptists, radical Islamists and other movements are not traditional to us and should not be cultivated and encouraged by the state. What bothers you? In Germany, the church tax is generally paid and everyone pays!
                  1. Nikotin13
                    Nikotin13 10 February 2016 03: 04
                    +1
                    We have already had Orthodoxy for 300 years, but what we mean by it is Orthodox Christianity
                  2. zaboyschik
                    zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 25
                    +1
                    Tell me why do you give in five cents if you don’t have a clue about the subject matter? Baptists and Protestants are one thing, and John the Baptist is suddenly a Baptist! And Germans Lutherans are also Protestants to ban them? And what does this state encourage Protestants not to say?
                  3. BEGA2015
                    BEGA2015 10 February 2016 18: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Maxom75
                    In Germany, the church tax is generally paid and everyone pays!

                    It is not true! Only members of church communities pay.
            3. gergi
              gergi 9 February 2016 16: 53
              -8
              Make you go to church and mosques. Who does not go to the pencil! Enemy! Take away bonuses, drive them from work, put them in jail, cut their heads!
              1. c3r
                c3r 9 February 2016 20: 55
                +3
                But what really scares you? To go to church if you are a Christian, to a mosque if you are Muslim, to a synagogue if a Jew or to a khurul if you are a Buddhist, or maybe you are afraid of the destruction of the handak of Baptists, Adventists or Wahhobits and the like?
                1. zaboyschik
                  zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 26
                  0
                  Those. Hundreds of millions of Protestants have no right to exist?
                2. gergi
                  gergi 10 February 2016 20: 45
                  +2
                  The church does not scare me while I live in a secular state. I’m very scared if the church begins to write, judge and punish laws. Do you need this? Theocratic state? ISIS for example. The Christian church at one time shed more blood of ISIS.
                  1. tor11121
                    tor11121 11 February 2016 07: 40
                    +1
                    The church is the work of men. At the word “church” I see crowds of fanatics eagerly eager to fulfill God's will. And there is too much religion in the eyes of the killers.
                    Holiness is in your affairs. In the defense of those who cannot stand up for themselves. And in mercy that the Lord reveals. Holiness is here (pointing to the head) and here (pointing to the heart) and it depends on your decisions - whether you are pious or not (cf. Promised Heaven). In my opinion everything is said here.
              2. dark_65
                dark_65 10 February 2016 06: 29
                +2
                almost everything is right. forgot one-flog .. go on Fridays and Saturdays
                1. gergi
                  gergi 10 February 2016 20: 47
                  0
                  I confess, I forgot! It’s so funny to smack the porch.
              3. sergei.84
                sergei.84 10 February 2016 21: 23
                0
                Well, come and cut it. I don’t go anywhere ...
            4. the most important
              the most important 9 February 2016 20: 04
              +4
              Quote: Maxom75
              Or maybe it is necessary to legislate the main religions as state religions, to ban all other movements and preachers and ardent followers, or to plant, or depriving citizenship of expulsion from the country? The option is not the best, but there is no choice.

              It is high time. there are major world religions - this is no problem, let them issue "licenses" to each of their parishes, mullahs and deacons. there is no license, I'm sorry, you are a schismatic or a Wahhabite and you cannot preach anywhere except in Magadan.
              1. samuil60
                samuil60 9 February 2016 23: 24
                10
                We are stuffed with mantras all the time. type: "terrorism has no religion or nationality." How it has! - Even the blind can see it. Do the Orthodox blow up people and organize religious wars? Do they cut their heads? In Soviet times, they constantly lied about indulgences and crusades, keeping silent that all this was done by the CATHOLICS! Now, in textbooks for secondary schools, Orthodoxy is assigned one, maximum, one and a half pages with scary "icons" drawn as if specially selected by someone unknown - and this is the religion of our ancestors! At the same time, Islam and its history take five to ten pages, depending on the textbook. Children are told all sorts of nonsense about Christianity, describing Islam and its traditions in detail - and this is not at all in one separate school! It seems that they want to make Islam a UNIVERSAL religion, compulsory for everyone - fanatical people are easier to manage ...
                1. gergi
                  gergi 10 February 2016 20: 50
                  0
                  You are obsessed with orthodox Byzantium. This empire did a lot of nasty things and was not afraid of someone else’s blood. Regarding OUR religion, this is the Byzantine religion. What is Russian in it?
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              2. SPQR1977
                SPQR1977 11 February 2016 20: 32
                +1
                it is of course well said. But what has Magadan to do with it?)))
            5. stopkran
              stopkran 10 February 2016 06: 44
              +2
              Any religion, no matter how attractive it may seem at first glance, is a methodology for educating zombie idiots.

              "Religion" comes from the Latin verb religare, meaning "to bind", "to unite." That is, this is a connection with God, through providers (for money, of course), which for some reason work without a license and power of attorney from Him, as well. since any religion is based on dogmas (provisions that do not require explanation and proof) that turn off independent critical thinking, then a "dream of reason that gives birth to monsters" comes.

              “What does the history of religions teach us? That they everywhere fanned the flames of intolerance, covered the plains with corpses, watered the earth with blood, burned cities, devastated states; but they never made people better. ” Helvetius Claude Adrian, French writer and philosopher
              1. Stanislas
                Stanislas 10 February 2016 09: 39
                +1
                Quote: stopkran
                religare, meaning "to connect," "to connect." E. This is a connection with God, through providers (for money, of course)
                Good example of etymological manipulation of consciousness (after "ie"). 1. Why "with God", and not among themselves, for example? Totem - the mythical ancestor was not a god, but was a "common ancestor", ideologically linking members of the tribe around a fire, a wolf or any other image different from the totems of other tribes. 2. Why through the "providers", who prevents you from personally addressing the "wolf", hemp or the whole grove, if suddenly such a need arises? In the temple, you can listen to a sermon on a ball (!), Confess, pray, drink a spoonful of Cahors and eat a piece of prosphora. These are not "providers", but experts with the authority of a connoisseur, but not the right of ownership. With the help of this kind of manipulation, "zombie idiots" are obtained, religion is generally on the sidelines. Could also "translate" religere as "bind a man, making him a slave." Option for a manipulator from linguistics or zombies (choose yourself).
                1. stopkran
                  stopkran 10 February 2016 19: 29
                  +1
                  Dear, not only are you a bore, but you also have cognitive dissonance. )) In vain cling to words and try to turn everything upside down. For the gifted again: religious dogmas are guaranteed to disable independent critical thinking. Dogmatists, like you, resemble a schoolboy, a two-year-old, who is looking for ready-made answers in the textbook without bothering himself with a solution, moreover, a task that is not even able to verify the truth or falsehood of the answer. This is the purpose of parasitic manipulators - to “knock out the brains” of their victims with the help of religion, so as not to jerk when they are “milked and sheared” and vparivat any bullshit, because you simply are not able to understand how you are being deceived.

                  "What is important is outside their horizons. They are like an ant that sees small and does not see big ... They can be given intellectual freedom, because they have no intelligence."
                  J. Orwell, "1984"
                  1. Stanislas
                    Stanislas 11 February 2016 10: 32
                    0
                    Quote: stopkran
                    religious dogma guaranteed to turn off independent critical thinking
                    I have only 12 religious dogmas, but did you consider your non-religious dogmas? You from any quote, be it Orwell, Helvetius, even "African folk tales" make a dogma. Critical thinking has never dreamed of you, you don’t even know about it. Use words that are completely out of place (if in doubt, point to the place where you found the "cognitive dissonance"). Well, the nickname "stopkran" kind of hints at the general inhibition. I repeat (for the "gifted"), the only question that interests me is - where did you encounter "cognitive dissonance" here, unless, of course, this is simple balabolism?
                    1. stopkran
                      stopkran 15 February 2016 10: 01
                      0
                      Are you really that dumb or are you just pretending? The dogma is this provision that does not require explanation and proof, should be accepted "as is", moreover, verification of the truth of these provisions in any religion is prohibited on pain of death and other "punishment from heaven". This is nothing more than a ban on independent, critical thinking based on the laws of logic. Why is this done? But for what: "You don't need a knife on a fool - you will lie to him with three boxes and do with him what you want!" ))
          4. fennekRUS
            fennekRUS 9 February 2016 11: 35
            13
            Yes, obviously the "friends of Russia" decided to splash the gasoline. The lull in 404 is clearly annoying for someone. Painfully, "strong men and young people" started in concert
          5. GradusHuK
            GradusHuK 9 February 2016 14: 19
            +3
            How much is opium today for the people? O. Bender.
          6. avebersek
            avebersek 9 February 2016 22: 42
            +3
            [quote = Cap.Morgan] The song "Sold Russia" is eternal, it has always been, she has a thousand years
            It's not about the songs. It’s not strange in Europe, we, as the Geyropeans, will be silent, endure, or how the Knights (glorified by the glory of their grandfathers). Question: who are we? To steal or live? To live for what? I am happy in one thing that in my area was Pugachev (a village in the Saratov region)! when the people went out and showed ....
          7. derik1970
            derik1970 10 February 2016 06: 04
            +1
            Honestly, I have no doubt that those who are supposed to oversleep, for everything has gone so far ... the FSB still do not understand who they are as sleepy flies with and for whom, or maybe in the 90s by themselves .. . hi
            1. Aurum
              Aurum 10 February 2016 18: 20
              +2
              FSB not KGB
              ideological there is little left, mainly blat, ballast and oprichnina
      2. SergeyA
        SergeyA 9 February 2016 08: 28
        -32 qualifying.
        Quote: Sensatus
        The Caucasus is destined to be Russia's hot spot for a long time. Like 200 years ago.

        Dagestan, following the example of Chechnya, wants to receive tribute from the Moscow Tsar.
        1. Hon
          Hon 9 February 2016 08: 52
          26
          Quote: SergeyA
          Dagestan, following the example of Chechnya, wants to receive tribute from the Moscow Tsar.

          Everything is much worse. In the Caucasus, the people are religious, and against this background, they are now breaking up, which can lead to bloodshed. The closure of the mosque was perceived by many as a challenge and persecution of faith. Persecution by the authorities, and the authorities are certainly proteges of the Kremlin. Hence the separatist sentiment.
          1. SergeyA
            SergeyA 9 February 2016 09: 01
            14
            Quote: Hon
            Quote: SergeyA
            Dagestan, following the example of Chechnya, wants to receive tribute from the Moscow Tsar.

            Everything is much worse. In the Caucasus, the people are religious, and against this background, they are now breaking up, which can lead to bloodshed. The closure of the mosque was perceived by many as a challenge and persecution of faith. Persecution by the authorities, and the authorities are certainly proteges of the Kremlin. Hence the separatist sentiment.

            Money. Strength. Religion. Crane communications.
            To use these factors in the Caucasus, very competent specialists in special services are needed. But they are not. An example is Ukraine. For 25 years they could not create pro-Russian power.
            1. Bagnyuk selo
              Bagnyuk selo 9 February 2016 13: 52
              14
              I absolutely agree ... now they can still crap in Belarus .... intelligence is full of slag and sucks ... for failure and loss of Khokhloma they did not even punish anyone along the way ... or maybe there was a betrayal?
            2. CTEPX
              CTEPX 9 February 2016 14: 22
              12
              Quote: SergeyA
              Ukraine For 25 years they could not create pro-Russian power.

              So far, the power in Russia is not pro-Russian. By the way, in Ukraine - not Ukrainian. Yes, and in Dagestan ...))
            3. tracker
              tracker 10 February 2016 06: 50
              +1
              according to the experience of the USSR, attempts to create pro ... regimes didn’t lead to anything good, they immediately betrayed
            4. Aurum
              Aurum 10 February 2016 18: 27
              +1
              it is not enough specialists.
              I recall, the officer managerial staff .. roofing the Caspian))
              and many of these werewolves are still in service, some are sitting in the headquarters
          2. ver_
            ver_ 9 February 2016 14: 01
            -19 qualifying.
            ... religion is power .. Since ancient times, mosques have been built high - the reason I hope is clear - I sit high - I look far away and see who does what is prescribed according to Sharia law and who does not .. Also, circumcision of the foreskin of boys - you can always tell - your -A stranger as a defendant at the plane .., but all that this religion does not have much time .. Islam is a perverted Orthodoxy, it is Orthodoxy, not Christianity .. This religion arose because they began to forcefully "baptize" Russia - with fire and sword .., - as a result, part of the population accepted Christ, but part did not, and .... it took shape in Islam .. Christianity is a project of simits .., by the way, Christ is a half-blood - a Jewish mother ..
            1. Maksus
              Maksus 9 February 2016 15: 46
              +5
              Semitov. Arabs are also Semites, so you can snatch them out)))
            2. bekjan
              bekjan 9 February 2016 23: 46
              +1
              First you read the history of Christianity and the Bible with the Koran. In your free time, see the baptism of Rus by Prince Vladimir and the conquest of the Caucasus by the Arabs and its complete Islamization. Strange as it may seem, the first country with an official state religion in the Caucasus is still in the form of the Armenian Apostolic Church.
            3. stopkran
              stopkran 10 February 2016 07: 59
              +1
              Circumcision is the original stigma of slaves.
              I want to note right away that this procedure has nothing to do with hygiene, as in this case, you need to hammer in your ass in the ass. )))
              1. Stanislas
                Stanislas 10 February 2016 10: 13
                +3
                Quote: stopkran
                this procedure has nothing to do with hygiene, as in this case you need to hammer in your ass in the ass
                Not everyone, only if it is flared strongly, the sphincter does not hold.
            4. zaboyschik
              zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 29
              -1
              Ill illiterate person, I hope you're a teenager, and I don’t even know.
              1. stopkran
                stopkran 10 February 2016 19: 36
                +1
                This is for you, a competent overgrowth, but lagging behind in development to broaden your horizons:
                The mystery of Jewish circumcision
                http://www.uznai-pravdu.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2121

                The Gospel of Thomas (an apocrypha from the manuscripts of Nag Hammadi relating to Gnosticism) reports on the question asked of Christ: “Reach 58. Did his disciples tell him: Is circumcision useful or not? He said to them: If it were useful, their father would conceive them circumcised in their mother. But true circumcision in the spirit has shown full benefit ”(Quoted from“ Apocrypha of the Ancient Christians ”, Moscow,“ Thought ”, 1989, p. 256).
                And more:
            5. BLACK-SHARK-64
              BLACK-SHARK-64 10 February 2016 21: 12
              0
              An interesting study .... By the way, many Orthodox Christians also do circumcision ... hi
            6. SPQR1977
              SPQR1977 11 February 2016 20: 37
              -1
              yes ... Excuse me but you! or schoolboy.
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            8. Bochik
              Bochik 11 February 2016 23: 02
              -1
              Quote: ver_
              Islam is a perverted Orthodoxy, namely Orthodoxy, not Christianity .. This religion arose because they began to forcibly "baptize" Russia - with fire and sword .., as a result, part of the population accepted Christ, and part did not, and ... it took shape to Islam .. Christianity is a project of simits .., by the way, Christ is a half-breed - a Jewish mother ..

              Zadornov is no longer crying aside, he is already sobbing in full voice! Not only that ver_ deprived of bread, but he also takes the last one from underneath. There is no place for historians here! But I wonder where ver_ was educated?
          3. Aurum
            Aurum 10 February 2016 18: 24
            +1
            and the Kremlin's henchmen mostly resemble the "blue thieves" from the "12 chairs" with orphans
        2. olegactor
          olegactor 9 February 2016 11: 09
          +2
          but in the face, following the example of Chechnya does not want .....
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 9 February 2016 15: 02
            23
            Quote: olegactor
            but in the face, following the example of Chechnya does not want .....

            Well, why not? Dagestan is full of young people who have a lot of bum in their ass. After all, young people itch. But there is no use for it, now it’s not promising to join bandits. There are no specialties and will not be, it is necessary to study, but reluctance and where? Nowhere to learn, there are only places where pieces of paper are stamped for money. If you are after school, how do you learn something?
            In general, Dagestan youth is explosive waste, excuse me for being blunt, the people of Dagestan
            (And my honor ?!
            Have you forgotten about her?
            Am I a Dagestan or not ?!)
            So great, very great the temptation to throw these guys, thousands of people, into a bloody meat grinder. They squeak as much as they dream of fighting. They see in the war something beautiful and formidable ahead, instead of trading from the tray, which they are only suitable for with their purchased exam and other papers.
            And the criminals of "protests" see this as a way to rise. It is more and more difficult to steal money, but here they see (they are not far from the same youth in intelligence) not just cash flows, but, what the hell is not kidding, political influence and a career!
            In general, either the FSB will throw in the basement of the owners of this game, or the bloodstream will flood the river.
        3. Dart2027
          Dart2027 9 February 2016 11: 59
          +3
          Quote: SergeyA
          wants to receive tribute from the tsar of Moscow

          about which all kinds of liberals and human rights activists constantly broadcast.
        4. CTEPX
          CTEPX 9 February 2016 14: 20
          +1
          Quote: SergeyA
          Dagestan, following the example of Chechnya

          Does Turkey bring peace?))
        5. Roman13
          Roman13 9 February 2016 21: 45
          0
          It is not sad, but it's true. Russia still pays tribute to Chechnya. It is worth looking at the Chechen budget to make sure of this. We didn’t militarily destroy the enemy in the nineties (although we could 100%), but simply our government decided to pay off in the most cowardly way. And remember that signing of the Khasavyurt agreements. Tfu. A shadow of shame fell on the whole people of Russia.
          1. zaboyschik
            zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 32
            +1
            And now we look at the level of subsidies in the regions of the Russian Federation and endure the gap of the template. Stop fooling around.
          2. Aurum
            Aurum 10 February 2016 18: 31
            +2
            you or provocateur
            at the moment, the least likely is the least in Chechnya
        6. tracker
          tracker 10 February 2016 06: 48
          +1
          everyone wants a west too, which Putin threw quite seriously.
          Ukrainians here also did not understand that they normally lived with Russia, they wanted an independence, and they got it
      3. Severok
        Severok 9 February 2016 09: 16
        19
        When people do not have work and livelihood - these people are easily conquered by all sorts of rogues and "sworn friends" of Russia. Including through Salafism.
      4. user
        user 9 February 2016 12: 19
        +7
        Among Dagestan Muslims there are many who designate such sermons as heretics


        I wonder where the Muftiate of Dagestan looked before, and what is more interesting, how does he get together with these "heretics"? In general, how can a representative of another movement, and an ideological opponent of the muftiate, officially work on its territory (in the sense as I understand it) in his mosque. Or who had entered the mosque before?
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 9 February 2016 14: 25
          +1
          Quote: user
          interesting, but where before looked

          Russians harness for a long time, but drive fast ...))
      5. 222222
        222222 9 February 2016 12: 56
        +5
        Sensatus RU Today, 06:49 ↑
        The Caucasus is destined to be Russia's hot spot for a long time to come. Just like 200 years ago. "
        .. The peoples of the Caucasus are smart peoples and they will understand what they need and will not go on about ... separate .. who have recollected themselves .. Napoleons ..
        And the world is leaning towards a new point of view of what is happening in the world .... who would have thought. That such a topic would be discussed in the Federation Council of the Russian Federation "" Conspiracy theory "is discussed in the Federation Council"
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 10 February 2016 10: 42
          0
          Quote: 222222
          "Conspiracy theory" is discussed in the Federation Council

          Not "conspiracy theory" but US policy. There are always secrets in politics. We do not call coups of different colors carried out by the United States exactly where this policy does not creep through the “Overton windows” and meets the resistance of “religious obscurantists”. And what kind of "conspiracy" is this if goals and intentions are declared, these declarations exist in the public domain, are gradually moving through the notorious "windows", being embodied in laws, education, health care and other social institutions? They do not look like conspirators - arrogant, self-confident geeks.
      6. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 9 February 2016 13: 24
        +6
        This is where the field of activity for Ramzan Akhmatovich is. With his authority and influence, he here can prevent a very undesirable development of events.
      7. CTEPX
        CTEPX 9 February 2016 14: 14
        +4
        Quote: Sensatus
        The Caucasus is destined to be Russia's hot spot for a long time.

        While in Russia itself they will not support the state and society with patriotism))
    2. Finches
      Finches 9 February 2016 07: 08
      40
      Where is Ramzan with his special forces and negative words about Salafism ....? If now it’s hard not to deal with these geeks, tomorrow you can get a huge problem!
      1. GUKTU
        GUKTU 9 February 2016 07: 34
        15
        Is ramzan punishing body ???
        1. Lekov L
          Lekov L 9 February 2016 12: 35
          12
          Is ramzan punishing body ???

          Ramzan comfortable body.
          Very comfortable.
          No wonder already
          Chechen elders decided to recognize the Salafists as extremist and to carry out the necessary work with the believers

          The only question is agreed (or not laughing ) forms of this work itself.
          It seems to me
          Sincerely ...
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 9 February 2016 14: 28
            -26 qualifying.
            Quote: Lekov L
            Ramzan comfortable body.
            Very comfortable.

            Especially, as a likely candidate for the presidency of Russia in the event of a successful assassination attempt on Putin.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 9 February 2016 20: 20
              -5
              Quote: ctepx
              in case of a successful attempt on the Putu.

              As you know, it was declared a hunt by the Anglo-Saxons (on the Putu), as early as two years)).
            2. Aleks76
              Aleks76 9 February 2016 23: 36
              +7
              It is not you lost?
            3. zaboyschik
              zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 33
              0
              You have a nickel and a tail of comments sticking out.
      2. cniza
        cniza 9 February 2016 07: 45
        63
        In Dagestan, there is its own power, both secular and religious, that’s what you need to ask from them.
        1. Hon
          Hon 9 February 2016 08: 59
          +3
          Quote: cniza
          In Dagestan, there is its own power, both secular and religious, that’s what you need to ask from them.

          and how do you represent this demand?
        2. lukewarm
          lukewarm 9 February 2016 11: 16
          +4
          The position of the government itself is unknown. The door was brewed, and then what? Maybe power is at one with them.
        3. user
          user 9 February 2016 12: 30
          16
          Dagestan has its own power


          Abdulatipov Ramazan Gadzhimuradovich, if I remember correctly, about 10 years ago, discussing the situation in Dagestan, he said that if events like the USSR did not happen in the republic in 1937, then it would not be possible to stabilize the situation in the near future, but it would hardly be possible to fix it in the prince .

          This interview was shown on Russia’s TV channel; there’s nothing to add, nothing to diminish.
          1. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 9 February 2016 12: 50
            +2
            Abdulatipov is a smug turkey with enormous conceit.
            1. Aurum
              Aurum 10 February 2016 18: 35
              0
              and all his life he has not once run across from one political shore to another.
              how the betrayer once warmed himself ...
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      4. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 9 February 2016 08: 24
        30
        Quote: Finches
        Where is Ramzan with his special forces and negative words about Salafism ....?

        Ramzan in the Chechen Republic and if you read the article it says that he acted wisely and far-sightedly, gathered a council of elders who decided the issue of religion and did not open the door to the mosque.
        1. andj61
          andj61 9 February 2016 10: 10
          24
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Ramzan in the Chechen Republic and if you read the article it says that he acted wisely and far-sightedly, gathered a council of elders who decided the issue of religion and did not open the door to the mosque.

          Kadyrov has a mono-ethnic republic, and there are dozens of nationalities in Dagestan, and the largest ethnic group, Avars, accounts for only less than 30% of the population. And in Khasavyurt Chechens, Avars and Kumyks prevail - about 30% each - and make up the bulk of the population - up to 90%. And here the question is not only religious, but also national. Kadyrov himself could have influenced his fellow tribesmen - his authority is very decent.
          And here the question is very delicate - the mosque appointed by the imam was actually removed, and the impostor took his place. And to allow the further spread of radical Islam is also not healthy, although, of course, welding the doors of the temple is not an option ...
      5. Hon
        Hon 9 February 2016 08: 59
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        Where is Ramzan with his special forces and negative words about Salafism ....? If now it’s hard not to deal with these geeks, tomorrow you can get a huge problem!

        Not everything is so easily solved, it was not Ramzan who stopped the war, agreed to understand the consequences of the continuation, and the advantages of a peaceful life. Peace in Chechnya is provided not so much by the fighters of Ramzan as by the cities under construction. Everyone wants to have a big rich house, and confidence in the future. He can’t agree with Dagestan, a different way, there are no teips that agree among themselves.
      6. GRAY
        GRAY 9 February 2016 09: 03
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        If now it’s hard not to deal with these geeks, tomorrow you can get a huge problem!

        Careful here. In theory, in order to build up the situation, it is possible to provoke the closure of absolutely any mosque. Let’s say a religious leader visited this mosque with a friendly visit and drove a few thematic books (pure from the heart), and then stuck through the front face to the FSB about the presence of forbidden literature there and here you are - the imam was opened, the mosque was closed, orthodox buzzes - profit.
        Or the same actions can be committed out of selfish interests (this is when the other person really wants to become an imam).
      7. alexej123
        alexej123 9 February 2016 09: 41
        +6
        The appearance of Chechens there may exacerbate the situation.
        1. Kemerov
          Kemerov 9 February 2016 19: 01
          +3
          In the Caucasus, one religion is power. It is time R. Kadyrov to appoint the president of the Caucasus and ask him.
          Patriotism certainly sounds loud, but Chubais, Serdyukovs, etc., etc. the concept of patriotism is completely distorted.
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      9. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 9 February 2016 09: 52
        +7
        and if we deal with it now, then this is a problem for the far-reaching future. Do you want another "Chechen" one? It is only necessary to settle it peacefully, if the victims cannot be avoided, then they should be minimal. We need a person who cooks in this broth - a politician, diplomat, peacemaker.
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      11. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 9 February 2016 09: 58
        +1
        And where does Ramzan with his special forces, if Khasavyurt is Dagestan? Wanted a civil war?
        1. andj61
          andj61 9 February 2016 14: 35
          +3
          Quote: Bulrumeb
          And where does Ramzan with his special forces, if Khasavyurt is Dagestan? Wanted a civil war?

          Almost a third of the population of Khasavyurt are Chechens. With special forces, Kadyrov may not be needed. But as an authoritative leader for resolving the situation, he would clearly not be superfluous.
      12. Aurum
        Aurum 10 February 2016 18: 33
        +1
        Ramzan in Chechnya ashamed to be a Wahabay
        But in other subjects, wahis breed like rabbits
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    4. Rezident007
      Rezident007 9 February 2016 07: 15
      17
      Let these Salafis go to work for the good of their republic, and not do confusion in the region. Why did they stir up trouble? In Dagestan, Christians and Jews are already a very overwhelming minority ... Or they want to pit Muslims against each other, there are of course people who want to "stir up" the Caucasus against Russia ... by any means.
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 9 February 2016 08: 18
        +4
        Quote: Resident007
        In Dagestan, and so Christians with Jews, well, a very overwhelming minority

        I understand they are against Shiites ??? what
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVIsgfhF3qA
        1. subbtin.725
          subbtin.725 9 February 2016 09: 01
          14
          Such crowds would go to work.
          1. Bath
            Bath 9 February 2016 11: 35
            13
            there are no fools to work
    5. vodolaz
      vodolaz 9 February 2016 09: 07
      +3
      They lack their leader, like Kadyrov in Chechnya.
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 9 February 2016 09: 46
        15
        It won't be there. If in Chechnya, in principle, there is one people - the Vainakhs. Division is only teip. That in Dagestan the division into nationalities. There will be a Dargin, for example, the Avars will be unhappy, etc. And the fact that there is corruption "Mama Do Not Cry" is a fact. Simple elementary schemes are present and work like "dead souls", not to mention others - "cuts and kickbacks". In Chechnya it is simpler - all financial flows, in principle, go through one person who controls them.
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    6. yushch
      yushch 9 February 2016 09: 13
      +5
      Quote: Nikolay71
      After some time, Muhammad Nabi Sildinsky took the place of guardian, which in the muftiate of Dagestan was perceived as arbitrariness. And on 31 of January, as already mentioned, the door to the mosque was simply welded.
      And they did it right.


      It is clear that the problem is serious, but the muftiate needed to be installed faster than his own person, because opening the door to the mosque is not a way out, but rather an aggravation of the situation. From the above, we can make an unambiguous conclusion that the problem must be solved as quickly as possible, despite the fact that time is lost. Further delay is fraught with a lot of blood.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 9 February 2016 14: 35
        0
        Quote: yushch
        the muftiate had to be set up faster than his own person, because opening a door to a mosque is not an option

        This mosque, as I understand it, is actually private property
        Quote: ShM
        This mosque was built by the brother of the previous head of Khasavyurt, he finances them, and everyone knows it perfectly (the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, and including ordinary people)
    7. RUSS
      RUSS 9 February 2016 09: 54
      +8
      As a result, Chechen elders decided to recognize the Salafists as extremist

      At the legislative level throughout Russia, ban Salafists, as previously Wahhabism was introduced under a ban in Chechnya.
    8. RUSS
      RUSS 9 February 2016 09: 54
      0
      As a result, Chechen elders decided to recognize the Salafists as extremist

      At the legislative level throughout Russia, ban Salafists, as previously Wahhabism was introduced under a ban in Chechnya.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 9 February 2016 12: 53
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        At the legislative level throughout Russia, ban Salafists, as previously Wahhabism was introduced under a ban in Chechnya.
        We have forbidden Nazism at the legislative level. One Adolf Hitler admirer even sits. Do you think the Nazis disappeared or disappeared somewhere? No, of course. They mimicked, changed their color. And how are you going to ban this seven thousandth column of healthy men who have houses Surely there is a weapon?
    9. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 9 February 2016 15: 20
      +4
      It seems that the special services will have to rake a hornet's nest.
    10. Alekseev
      Alekseev 9 February 2016 16: 05
      +9
      Quote: Nikolay71
      the door to the mosque was simply brewed.
      And they did it right.

      Yes, it is not the doors that need to be welded, but such Muhammads should be “soaked in toilets”, and corruption, arbitrariness and other injustices should be eradicated and things will get better!
      1. BLACK-SHARK-64
        BLACK-SHARK-64 10 February 2016 21: 57
        0
        Corruption must be expelled since Moscow ..... angry
    11. Garris199
      Garris199 9 February 2016 18: 35
      +2
      But wasn’t it better to simply put normal preachers in this mosque? And there would be less noise and the brains of the parishioners would slowly clean.
    12. tracker
      tracker 10 February 2016 06: 37
      0
      it is unlikely that those who drank Salafism will abandon it, it would be easier not to prevent them from leaving Dagestan and go to the IS zone for "self-purification" with the help of Assad's army. This proposal is of course cynical, but in any case, Salafis will easily begin to kill non-Muslims in Russia.
  2. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 9 February 2016 06: 35
    +6
    Did you "oversleep" Dagestan? Or is it not too late to change the situation?
    1. Delink
      Delink 9 February 2016 07: 08
      +6
      It's never too late to change everything!
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 9 February 2016 08: 30
        +8
        You can’t redo them.
    2. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 9 February 2016 08: 59
      12
      Quote: LÄRZ
      Did you "oversleep" Dagestan?

      judging by the article http://www.iran.ru/news/analytics/86794/Salafizm_v_Rossii_i_SNG
      "problems" not only in Dagestan? what
      =======
      Salafism in Russia and the CIS
      April 03 2013

      excerpt from the article
      Prospects for Salafism in Russia
      What can we get in the future? Salafists are already waging a real war against the federal government in Dagestan and Ingushetia, and have a strong underground in Kabardino-Balkaria and other republics of the North Caucasus. Their positions are extremely strong in Tatarstan and Bashkiria, where they even preached in some mosques. As already noted above, there are Salafists in Moscow. In the case of further development of this ideology in the Russian Federation, an increase in the number of its followers, the budgets of organizations and preachers - qualifications, our country will have a very bleak future. Terrorist attacks, the wave of which is still not waning in the “problematic” subjects of the federation and sometimes spreading to relatively calm ones, will undoubtedly intensify. Moreover, in regions such as Dagestan and, to a lesser extent, Bashkiria and Tatarstan, there is a danger of radicals entering the legal field, which will give them the opportunity to influence the politics of the regions and openly build what they are calling for - an Islamic state. It seems that talking about the territorial integrity of Russia in the case of the implementation of this scenario is no longer necessary.
      http://www.iran.ru/news/analytics/86794/Salafizm_v_Rossii_i_SNG
      1. Aurum
        Aurum 10 February 2016 18: 43
        +1
        the FSB has huge salaries, you have to ask them
  3. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 February 2016 06: 35
    29
    And what prevents Salafism from declaring a totalitarian sect?
    Well, like in Christianity, Jehovah's Witnesses or Scientologists.
    It is clear that the sect has grown, but the law is the law ...
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 9 February 2016 08: 43
      +8
      Quote: Zomanus
      And what prevents Salafism from declaring a totalitarian sect?

      At the same time, Saudi Arabia, where Salafism is the state religion, is accused of supporting and inciting Wahhabi sectarians. Some regular Saudi prince will arrive in Russia - and we will put him in jail! Well, or deport, figs with him.
    2. Hon
      Hon 9 February 2016 09: 05
      -2
      Quote: Zomanus
      And what prevents Salafism from declaring a totalitarian sect?
      Well, like in Christianity, Jehovah's Witnesses or Scientologists.
      It is clear that the sect has grown, but the law is the law ...

      It interferes with the fact that Jehovah's Witness from the grenade launcher is not dumb. Declare a trend to which a large number of people in the Caucasus are committed outside the law, and the war will not take long.
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  4. parusnik
    parusnik 9 February 2016 06: 36
    13
    ISIS acts, what else can I say ...
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 9 February 2016 08: 28
      +1
      By the way, is there any ideology in Russia that would resist ISIS?
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 9 February 2016 08: 44
        +1
        The best "ideology" is no "Gods". After all, we live in the 21st century. Only the illiterate and zombified can believe in some kind of "God".
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 9 February 2016 10: 03
          10
          Quote: bistrov.
          Only the illiterate and zombie can believe in some kind of "God".
          It was not you who were taught to write "competently and nezazombirovanno"?
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 9 February 2016 16: 57
            +7
            I will not talk about God, but it would not be bad for believers to climb less with their faith in others! I am not against and not for, but let's not spit each other in the soul! I ask my proposal to think over to all believers and atheists, we will be primarily people! hi
        2. Stanislas
          Stanislas 9 February 2016 10: 03
          -2
          Quote: bistrov.
          Only the illiterate and zombie can believe in some kind of "God".
          It’s not you who studied literacy here?
        3. V.ic
          V.ic 9 February 2016 10: 41
          13
          Quote: bistrov.
          The best "ideology" is no "Gods". After all, we live in the 21st century. Only the illiterate and zombified can believe in some kind of "God".

          You do not know that under shelling, atheism instantly disappears?
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 9 February 2016 11: 38
            +4
            It's a lie. Why are you lying?
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 9 February 2016 12: 05
              +2
              Quote: Darkness
              It's a lie

              Not worth it. I myself did not fight, but I could communicate with those who were under fire and some said that:
              "There are no atheists in the trenches"
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 9 February 2016 12: 46
                +4
                Mutually. I also had to communicate.
                But let's turn to the logic:
                Everyone who was in the Second World War under fire in the trenches, all sharply became believers?
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 9 February 2016 13: 22
                  +3
                  Quote: Darkness
                  Everyone who was in the Second World War under fire in the trenches, all sharply became believers?

                  Rather, they were originally. Strange as it sounds, but the idea of ​​communism, like any more or less developed ideology, is largely a religion. For example, Lenin's body in the Mausoleum - what is its essence? Dead man, what's the difference if they bury him or not? But for many, the very idea that he will be buried like a knife to the heart is for them a symbol, a kind of banner of their faith. I don’t know whether it’s true or not, but I happened to read that after the release of the film "How the Steel Was Tempered" the patriarch said that this film shows what people of faith are capable of.
                  And believers, in the Orthodox sense, should also not be excluded - it was then that Stalin began to gradually soften the policy regarding RIC.
                  1. Darkness
                    Darkness 9 February 2016 14: 47
                    +1
                    Lenin is below ground level. Those. buried.
                    What about the various "incorruptible relics"? And the situation with the Russian tsars is not so simple.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 9 February 2016 15: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: Darkness
                      What about the various "incorruptible relics"?

                      This is what I mean. In Christianity there were only symbols of faith, and when communism appeared, then it had its own symbols, but the essence remained the same.
                    2. V.ic
                      V.ic 9 February 2016 18: 55
                      +3
                      Quote: Darkness
                      Lenin is below ground level. Those. buried.
                      What about the various "incorruptible relics"?

                      When the sewerage system burst and the sewage began to flood the resting place of V.I.L. Patriarch Tikhon said: "by relics and oil." http://pravnovosti.ru/blog/2012/10/03/ with the help of-ieles-or- fetid- spiritual/
                2. zaboyschik
                  zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 41
                  0
                  Namely, even those who were not.
              2. zaboyschik
                zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 40
                +1
                I also say, I was a militant atheist, after six months of running around with "pieces of iron" I became a Christian. I recommend to all atheists, try Che.
          2. Kuts
            Kuts 9 February 2016 13: 42
            +3
            Quote: V.ic
            You do not know that under shelling, atheism instantly disappears?


            .... and in the TEISM concentration camps.
            1. Darkness
              Darkness 9 February 2016 14: 48
              0
              The largest number of believers is in darkness
          3. friend of animals
            friend of animals 9 February 2016 13: 42
            +6
            Under shelling, in a trench or with a knife near the throat of many people, fear takes precedence over the mind. Someone squeezes a cardboard icon, someone alahakbar yells, someone an amulet from the teeth of the enemy clings to the machine. But this does not mean that in normal life you need to be guided by fear, not reason. One must free oneself from the superstitions of the past. And certainly religion should not be in the first place in man, this is a return to the Middle Ages.
            1. zaboyschik
              zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 44
              0
              The point is not fear at all, the point is that when you really see the hand of God delivering you from certain death, there is no doubt. And the point is not statistics at all, any fighter will tell you that there are dozens of such situations for everyone. Out of any coincidence.
          4. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 9 February 2016 16: 59
            0
            Well, I don’t know, but the knife of religiosity thrust into the chest did not cause!
            1. zaboyschik
              zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 46
              0
              It is not a matter of religion, but of faith. You are alive, but imagine when ten times a day I should die, but for some reason I’m alive.
          5. vovan50
            vovan50 11 February 2016 10: 02
            0
            A person turns to God when there is already more and nowhere to turn to, in the most hopeless situations, usually before the threat of death. In this state, he can no longer reason adequately (not all, of course) and is ready to grab hold of any straw. If someone prayed under bombs and bullets and asked God for help, it does not mean that he is a believer. So, the shelling example is not correct.
        4. Agent_017
          Agent_017 10 February 2016 16: 26
          +1
          Of course it is. God is needed only by those who are aware of him in their souls, quietly and without shouting about it! God is needed for those who are an example of kindness to people, to any nations and sinners. Only with a pure soul, working on oneself according to the teachings of the conscience and commandments of the Lord, you can call yourself a believer. Evil must never come from a believer. A man sacrifices to the Lord his good deeds, the desire to go to Paradise, and for this purpose repents of his thoughts and deeds before God, so as not to repeat his mistakes. This is a believing person .... And when people knock themselves on the chest, pray, breaking their foreheads and for the glory of the Lord, click the shutters of their arms and cut their heads .... Sorry ... How's that? What God accepts such a donation? Well, maybe these sacrifices to another addressee ...
      2. Hon
        Hon 9 February 2016 09: 06
        +2
        There are many ideologies, including traditional Islam, the question is: who will overpower?
  5. Glot
    Glot 9 February 2016 06: 37
    17
    As a result, Chechen elders decided to recognize the Salafis as an extremist trend and to carry out the necessary work with believers so that they could distinguish classical Islam from a destructive ideology based on Wahhabism and other, to put it mildly, dubious ideological cults.


    This they, figuratively speaking "on camera" so admitted. But internally ... Hmm, I really doubt that.
    What they preach there, what they teach is a big question.
    I have neither faith nor trust in them.
  6. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 9 February 2016 06: 37
    14
    here’s a field worthy of R. Kadyrov, turn around — I don’t want to! catch-shoot emissaries! and the mentality is more or less familiar, and the locality too. and experience, not to occupy.
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 9 February 2016 08: 59
      +9
      Andrey yurievich. The Chechen people cannot be pitted against Dagestan, only their clever tribesmen, elders, clergy must oppose extremism on Dagestan land
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 9 February 2016 10: 36
        +4
        Quote: St. Propulsion
        The Chechen people cannot be pitted against Dagestan, only their clever tribesmen, elders, and clergy must oppose extremism on Dagestan land

        Right. You can not bleed.
        However, it is necessary to expand the capabilities of the clergy of traditional Islam through radio and television broadcasting and to emphasize the failure of Salafism, relying on the same principles of strict adherence to proto-Islam, identifying contradictions.
        If for the Salafis the basis is the interpretation of the Koran before the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and everything after that is heresy, then why then the Salafis accept and use in everyday life what was created by the "infidels" - "shaitan arboy" (car), "shaitan pipe" (mobile phone ), "Satan-mirror" (TV) and all other achievements of civilization, if this contradicts their principles? Let them ride donkeys and camels and send out runners with letters to exchange greetings and change the machine guns to sabers.
        But somehow it turns out not convincingly - in one case they are champions of proto-Islam, and in the other not.
        And in order to know where the wind blows from in Khasavyurt, you need to know in which country these "imams" studied in the madrasah.
    2. Hon
      Hon 9 February 2016 09: 09
      -1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      here’s a field worthy of R. Kadyrov, turn around — I don’t want to! catch-shoot emissaries! and the mentality is more or less familiar, and the locality too. and experience, not to occupy.

      There it’s not necessary to shoot a couple of emissaries, but to kindle a war, with great blood and very serious consequences.
  7. Delink
    Delink 9 February 2016 06: 39
    16
    get together "with the guests" in the "eastern" mosque of Khasavyurt and indicate their position. Sildinsky said that for such a case "you need to leave your job and postpone any personal affairs


    It's time to introduce full control over those who are trying to "visit" welcome. And it is desirable to expel them, and it is better if they disappear.
  8. V.ic
    V.ic 9 February 2016 06: 41
    12
    "Salafis" "nightmares" Muslims, "Jehovah's Witnesses" "nightmares" Orthodox. It's time to introduce something like the "Department of the Inquisition" in the FSB in order to "fool" the zealous colts.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 9 February 2016 06: 48
      -15 qualifying.
      Jehovah's Witnesses "Nightmare" Orthodox

      I am not a witness, but their nightmare is the distribution of brochures ???
      1. geek2101
        geek2101 9 February 2016 07: 32
        20
        The problem is not the distribution of brochures, but the distribution of destructive ideologies.
        It is strange that you do not understand this.
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 9 February 2016 08: 05
          10
          To fight ideology, another ideology is needed. And here it is forbidden.
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 9 February 2016 08: 03
        +5
        Quote: nemec55
        their nightmare is to raceprastorNenie brochures?

        First: You know the word "space"? It should probably be depicted in the school spelling dictionary, google it at the extreme ...
        Secondly: in the immortal work of M.A. Bulgakov, Professor Preobrazhensky says that the devastation in the heads begins, so think further about the distributed brochures. And remember who finances all this evil spirits.
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 9 February 2016 14: 59
          0
          I will miss your FIRST for crying
          Your SECOND if they nightmare you and
          Preobrazhensky says that the devastation in the heads begins, so think further about the distributed brochures. And remember who finances all this evil spirits.
          contact me help angrywe will protect from vorogami so as not to offend.
      3. sa-ag
        sa-ag 9 February 2016 08: 18
        +4
        Quote: nemec55
        but their nightmare lies in distributing brochures

        somehow accidentally ran into them on the street and began "do you know the secret name of God?" Brochures, brochures, but to attract clientele is their main goal
        1. Glot
          Glot 9 February 2016 08: 33
          11
          somehow accidentally ran into them on the street and began "do you know the secret name of God?" Brochures, brochures, but to attract clientele is their main goal


          You need to send immediately, in plain text and that's it. You can also add a kick for a better understanding.
          Once two came to me, I rang the doorbell and stood.
          One like that, a gray mouse, the other a beautiful woman, well-groomed, groomed.
          And also, "about God" and all that ...
          I say beautiful, you come in the evening, alone, we will talk about God, over a cup of tea. I’m in a pharmacy only for tea, why buy a thread. laughing
          The gray mouse almost burst eyes, as she rounded them. laughing And the one I called for tea only smiled so obscurely. But, the true sterlet did not come! laughing
          They are all deceivers. laughing laughing
          1. the villain
            the villain 9 February 2016 12: 16
            10
            Quote: Glot
            You need to send immediately, in plain text and that's it.

            No, trolling them is more fun! Here recently at my entrance I met a "sweet couple", they are right on the move: "Hello, and we are with you with good news." And I told them: "Yes, really Joseph Vissarionovich and Lavrenty Palych have risen and are going to the Kremlin" ???
            It’s a pity the camera was not at hand; such faces became wassat
        2. avt
          avt 9 February 2016 11: 07
          +4
          Quote: sa-ag
          somehow accidentally ran into them on the street and began "do you know the secret name of God?"

          laughing I quench these at once, especially if in my hands, but this is rare, and in the 90s it was quite common, they have the Bible. Immediately to such a head - hear the preacher, open and read out loud the specific answer of the one with whom the comrade "fought and fought against the dawn before the first roosters, and as he told him," What is in my name to you? " Here, the "shepherds" specifically hang up. And ALL laughing I did not come across ANYONE who, not just a meeting, but simply could not gather his thoughts and bleat something, only after my next question. Well, in general, if you immediately break the recruiting algorithm nested by the sect, they all float concretely. But if you do not know firmly about the object you are referring to, then it is better not to argue for a long time - an unprepared person can be caught on the principle “you are at the door, they are at the window.” So they have a favorite technique, which they are obliged to use in accordance with the embedded algorithm use, punching personal life and vtyuhivanie - we have so many weddings in the "community", the next move will be sure to twist that only in their community, the newly-minted adept somehow immediately corrects his material well-being with the help of prayer to higher powers. , then the processing begins with a descent - quite specific recommendations are issued to correct this very material well-being, naturally from the fact that .... well, first of course, you need to invest with something. laughing
    2. Glot
      Glot 9 February 2016 06: 52
      +5
      "Salafis" "nightmares" Muslims, "Jehovah's Witnesses" "nightmares" Orthodox. It's time to introduce something like the "Department of the Inquisition" in the FSB in order to "fool" the zealous colts.


      The head must first be on the shoulders, not empty. And then no one will crush you!
      Hope on FeSeB but don’t go wrong yourself! laughing
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 9 February 2016 07: 55
        -3
        Quote: Glot
        And then no one will crush you

        Do you "poke" everyone in the morning?
        1. Glot
          Glot 9 February 2016 08: 21
          +9
          Do you "poke" everyone in the morning?


          Oh, forgive me humbly that I insulted your subtle nature in the morning. laughing laughing
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    3. almost demobil
      almost demobil 9 February 2016 07: 45
      12
      Quote: V.ic
      Jehovah's Witnesses "are" nightmares "for the Orthodox.

      I have never seen or heard that Jehovah’s go with machine guns, cut their heads, etc. You can’t compare it with Muslim scumbags.
      I just can't understand how the bearded barmaley manage to attract so many young people ?! What attracts them so much, are they really these "spiritualized" faces with shaggy beards and insects in them? Or do they really lack Hurias in this world? Is it really impossible to be a good, kind and just person without standing in a knee-elbow position and muttering suras? Do you have to yell "Alla I'm in the bar" and point your finger to the sky?
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 9 February 2016 07: 53
        0
        Quote: almost demobilized
        I have never seen or heard that Jehovah’s go with machine guns, cut their heads, etc.

        So the RSDLP (a familiar abbreviation?) Were against individual terror.
      2. Kuts
        Kuts 9 February 2016 14: 05
        +1
        Quote: almost demob

        I just can’t understand how bearded barmels manage to attract so many youth ?!


        Faberge is always relevant for any media:
        1.axiom (dogma) - kill someone else's (wrong). It is with this + thought "they are to blame for everything" that radical currents of religions, movements and ideologies are formed.
        2. joint prayers by a purely male collective, with possible subsequent gatherings over tea;
        3. Well, for the deprived (near) - the promise that, subject to certain rules, after death 40 (or how many) beautiful big-breasted virgins will wait for him.
        Well, what Christianity promises. Love your neighbor and you will not burn in hell.
        Buddhism. Improve your mind and body.
        Atheism. Explore the world, science and culture, and if not interesting, then the life of guano.
  9. SAM 5
    SAM 5 9 February 2016 06: 41
    +4
    As a result, Chechen elders decided to recognize the Salafis as an extremist trend and carry out the necessary work with believers,

    You are on the right track, comrades.
  10. Fat
    Fat 9 February 2016 06: 44
    +2
    Serious and extremely unpleasant situation. The state needs to intervene very carefully. I would like to believe that non-radical muftis themselves will regulate the "internal affairs" of believers.
  11. nemec55
    nemec55 9 February 2016 06: 45
    +1
    The most bloodthirsty religion at the moment. Still, of course, Catholics became famous for their crusades and usurpation of America, but it was a long time ago
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 9 February 2016 08: 03
      +5
      Quote: nemec55
      The most bloodthirsty religion at the moment. Still, of course, Catholics became famous for their crusades and usurpation of America, but it was a long time ago

      The fact is that Christianity is much older than Islam. And if we estimate the time difference between the formation of the two religions, it turns out that now Muslims have their own crusade against Christians, as in ancient times there was a Christian Catholics campaign against Muslims. By the way, there was enough cruelty, blood was immeasurable.
    2. tolian
      tolian 9 February 2016 08: 21
      10
      Islam is the only religion with the term "infidels". Think - they are "right", the rest are wrong. Such dense categoricalness, intolerance and ignorance carries from these only "faithful". Lovers of virgins. Do you want goats?
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 9 February 2016 08: 33
        0
        This is a military religion.
        They lived in the desert and could provide for themselves only by raids on neighbors.
      2. Darkness
        Darkness 9 February 2016 08: 39
        +4
        Christianity and Judaism, how do they relate to other religions? There is no concept of "infidels"?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 09: 14
          +2
          Quote: Darkness
          Christianity and Judaism, how do they relate to other religions? There is no concept of "infidels"?

          There is. All these religions have Abramic roots (essentially Jewish), intolerance of other religions lies in this. hi
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 9 February 2016 10: 03
            +2
            It turns out the problem lies in the very essence of the Abrahamic religions. They outlived their own.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 11: 10
              -1
              Quote: Darkness
              It turns out the problem lies in the very essence of the Abrahamic religions. They outlived their own.

              I agree. Nature abhors emptiness, but there will be no rollback to early religions. "Clever cunning" will come up with another "opium for the people", reform the current type of the charter of medieval orders. Preparations are already going through Fantasy and Science Fiction in films and games. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Warhammer 40000.
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 9 February 2016 11: 40
                0
                Warhammer started well. The emperor very successfully destroyed all obscurantism))))
      3. Kombrig
        Kombrig 9 February 2016 17: 08
        0
        Quote: tolian
        Islam is the only religion with the term "infidels".

        And yet this is the only religion (probably) that prohibits usury in any form ...
        1. zaboyschik
          zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 54
          +1
          Christianity banned five hundred years earlier, and even among the Jews it is forbidden, but only in relation to the Jews, and the goyim can.
      4. zaboyschik
        zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 52
        +1
        Well, it’s in vain that you can’t compare any Quran with the Jews and the Talmud, that’s where extremism is.
    3. Stanislas
      Stanislas 9 February 2016 12: 12
      +2
      Quote: nemec55
      Catholics became famous for their crusades and usurpation of America
      There were crusades, for sure. But in America, Catholics considered Indians as people, became related to them and formed a mixed race "Latinos". And the Protestants, which include the aforementioned sectarians (appeared after the Crusades), hunted the Indians like animals, locked them on the reservation and began to get drunk. In Asia, the colonial policy of Protestants was just as inhuman. Today the USA is the center of international Protestant organizations; from them "exclusivity" rushing a mile away. There is a difference.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 9 February 2016 13: 07
        +1
        Quote: Stanislav
        Today the USA is the center of international Protestant organizations; from them "exclusivity" rushing a mile away. There is a difference.

        If I am not mistaken, is it them, the Protestants, who are shown in mattress films howling stupid jazz songs in churches and dancing with slapping and jumping?
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 9 February 2016 13: 16
          0
          Quote: almost demobilized
          jazz songs in churches and dancing with slams
          They are the most.
        2. zaboyschik
          zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 59
          0
          Lutheran Protestants, Anglicans, Baptists, Evangelical Christians. Go to the Germans and South Koreans tell them that they are sectarians, damn people, where do you come from such dense?
      2. zaboyschik
        zaboyschik 10 February 2016 17: 57
        0
        Another oak with manyaistorii, Cortes to go nuts as a relationship with the Aztecs and probably was a Protestant. Where do you get from, say you urgently need to plug holes there.
  12. samarin1969
    samarin1969 9 February 2016 06: 54
    +4
    here is the "sixth column" appeared ... "stern faces," eating up the budget of the Russian Federation, ask for "harsh military-administrative" measures
  13. Nikolayev
    Nikolayev 9 February 2016 06: 54
    +6
    It is necessary to strangle the problem in the bud. If you need it rigidly, without flirtation and silence, otherwise it will be worse! We have already gone through this !!!
  14. Korsar4
    Korsar4 9 February 2016 07: 09
    +3
    It has long been difficult there. And the small echoes of accumulated problems get into the media.
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 February 2016 07: 09
    11
    An unpleasant "bell". Radical Islam, fueled by a lot of money from the outside, and "for jihad" they zealously collect. Unemployment there is great, and they cleverly adapted to the budget of the Russian Federation. In the sweat of their brow they do not get their bread. So cursed thoughts wander in their heads.
    1. tolian
      tolian 9 February 2016 08: 28
      +1
      I propose to send young and "unemployed" to Syria, to ISIS. They get paid there. But then ... they treat well. Forever heal. Everyone will be cured and buried there.
  16. Olfred
    Olfred 9 February 2016 07: 10
    +3
    a preacher with a grenade launcher instead of the Koran, modern realities ... hi
  17. chikenous59
    chikenous59 9 February 2016 07: 13
    +3
    My grandfather lived in Khasavyurt for 30 years. According to his stories, until the mid-90s they lived quietly, almost called this place a paradise.
    And what this city has now become ....
  18. Hooks
    Hooks 9 February 2016 07: 20
    11
    But seriously, the bell is more than serious. And even more serious conversation should take place with the heads of the Caucasian republics.
  19. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 9 February 2016 07: 23
    +2
    The authorities act too clumsy, the east is a delicate matter, Petruha!
    1. Siberian 1975
      Siberian 1975 9 February 2016 08: 35
      10
      But has it not bothered to act with them like with muslin young ladies, afraid to hurt their feelings? You need to give strong lyuli and do not steam. They only understand the power.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 09: 16
        +6
        Quote: Sibiryak 1975
        They only understand the power.

        The Teresk Cossacks are sorely lacking there. Thanks to Leiba Bronstein. And to Lenin too, for the administrative division of Russia into republics (federalization).
      2. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 9 February 2016 12: 27
        +2
        I will give Chechnya as an example. Nothing beat me in the forehead; perfume ran through the mountains. They bought Ramzan and spirits began to kill spirits, the situation returned to normal and Peace came. Here's how to play these chess.
        1. Siberian 1975
          Siberian 1975 9 February 2016 18: 03
          +5
          I beg your pardon, but I cannot agree with you. They beat them in the forehead and drove them into the mountains, where they could only finish off. But hell came the peacekeeper Lebed and reconciled everyone, but it is not known how it would end. But I think that there would be no one to go to Dagestan. I will answer the fans of Swan right away. I do not accept statements such as about the dead only good or nothing. Only the truth about the dead!
          1. cth; fyn
            cth; fyn 9 February 2016 20: 44
            0
            The swan saved us there, we died there like flies, if not for him, I would not have returned from there.
    2. Platonich
      Platonich 9 February 2016 10: 48
      +3
      It happened the same with Ukraine! Hope and pros.ali! And what an ambassador in Ukraine was Chernomyrdin himself!
  20. Riv
    Riv 9 February 2016 07: 25
    0
    The simplest solution: to launch Chechen special forces in Dagestan and not to let journalists in there for a couple of weeks. Celebrate the day of the dentist, so to speak ...
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 9 February 2016 08: 25
      +4
      And the massacre will begin. Because the Dagi will not be in debt.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 9 February 2016 12: 28
        0
        By the way, yes, it’s necessary to be finer here, to launch a double agent who will recruit them into the igil and then cover and imprison everyone for terrorism.
  21. Alexy
    Alexy 9 February 2016 07: 31
    +6
    How easy and simple it is to control people with the help of religion. Moreover, Islam in this sense is ahead of the rest.
  22. warriordima
    warriordima 9 February 2016 07: 33
    +5
    All this is similar to sectarianism and NLP., Inspire and promise blessings, and then show the enemy who stands in the way of these blessings. As long as there are suggestible and little-conscious people, they will always be a toy in the hands of tempters.
    1. tolian
      tolian 9 February 2016 08: 30
      +1
      Virgins, virgins promise. In the next world.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 9 February 2016 13: 31
        +1
        But who needs them? They don’t know anything, they don’t know how to lie like a log, but they won’t work with them either, you’ll start the current, but they’ll hurt ... It seems to have done the job, but there’s no pleasure.
  23. There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 9 February 2016 07: 34
    +1
    No wonder it is said: "Divide and rule". Nothing will come of it without opposing the radicals of other peaceful currents of Islam. Forceful methods will only harm ...
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 9 February 2016 08: 24
      +1
      The peaceful currents of Islam? Where did you see this?
      Testing for "peace" is very easy, find out how they feel about atheists or representatives of non-Christian religions and worldviews.
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 9 February 2016 12: 30
        0
        Quote: Darkness
        Testing for "peace" is very easy, find out how they feel about atheists or representatives of non-Christian religions and worldviews
        Firstly, traditional Islam clearly separates atheists from pagans and followers of monotheism. Secondly, let’s say that they treat the atheists no better than you the believers. And what follows from this?
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 9 February 2016 12: 51
          +1
          I treat believers exactly the same.
          Since I am an atheist, I absolutely do not care what a person believes in, if only he does not climb to me with his faith.
  24. R-22
    R-22 9 February 2016 07: 36
    +6
    Everyone is so smart and knows what to do, why the hell is this situation there then? It is necessary, it is necessary ... but in fact the situation will be aggravated further, as young people are not accustomed to work and do not want to, and there is no place to work there and receive a more or less decent salary. Hence the confusion and staggering of minds, the absorption of radical Islam and not love for Russians and Christians as the culprits of their troubles. It is necessary to open houses of pioneers and organize all kinds of circles for children, to raise young people in work, creation and friendship, but this requires enormous resources, and who wants to invest in irrevocable schemes?
  25. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 9 February 2016 07: 39
    +3
    Quote: Nikolayev
    It is necessary to strangle the problem in the bud. If you need it rigidly, without flirtation and silence, otherwise it will be worse! We have already gone through this !!!


    Not so simple, this is not a fetus and is no longer a child, but an ugly and vicious kid who has matured and has his parents and real patrons behind the cordon. It’s too late to rotate, and it’s unlikely to succeed in strangling (only all or none). The weakness of the authorities of Dagestan is the reason for what is happening. Are there no Salafists in Chechnya? But the muftis and power are ruining the situation. We need routine work to change the socio-moral climate in the republic. In general, it is still possible to treat, it will be difficult, but not doing anything is a crime.
  26. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 February 2016 07: 39
    +2
    Where it comes to religious issues, authorities need to act wisely. But time was lost, before the authorities of Dagestan had to block this extremist feeding trough. They flirted with them for many years, and some of the power holders actively supported Islamic extremists. So they get what they themselves have grown. The bad thing is that this is all happening in Russia.
  27. ovod84
    ovod84 9 February 2016 07: 39
    +3
    You still want to aggravate the situation, and so the gifts of dislike for Chechens, especially from the neighboring republic, the Kadyrovtsy came to Khasavyurt, wanted to show themselves, but they were hinted that it was not Chechnya. It’s best to close the mosques which there are not enough kindergartens built and these mosques are built, as I have been told by these religious fanatics about this, it’s hard to fix them. Jews and the authorities are to blame for all their troubles.
  28. GUKTU
    GUKTU 9 February 2016 07: 40
    +2
    How can we not recall Stalin, who possessed a great gift of reconciliation and pacification. Operation "Lentil" is a clear example of this
  29. ovod84
    ovod84 9 February 2016 07: 41
    0
    You still want to aggravate the situation, and the Dagians have a dislike for Chechens especially from the neighboring republic. Kadyrovites came to Khasavyurt, wanted to show themselves, but they were hinted that it was not Chechnya. It is best to close the mosques which have been built too much, there aren’t enough kindergartens and these mosques are being built, as I have been told by these religious fanatics about this, it’s hard to fix them. Jews and the authorities are to blame for all their troubles.
  30. ovod84
    ovod84 9 February 2016 07: 41
    0
    You still want to aggravate the situation, and the Dagians have a dislike for Chechens especially from the neighboring republic. Kadyrovites came to Khasavyurt, wanted to show themselves, but they were hinted that it was not Chechnya. It is best to close the mosques which have been built too much, there aren’t enough kindergartens and these mosques are being built, as I have been told by these religious fanatics about this, it’s hard to fix them. Jews and the authorities are to blame for all their troubles.
  31. Xroft
    Xroft 9 February 2016 07: 46
    +1
    Quote: Zomanus
    And what prevents Salafism from declaring a totalitarian sect?
    Well, like in Christianity, Jehovah's Witnesses or Scientologists.
    It is clear that the sect has grown, but the law is the law ...

    The Church of Scientology stands on Taganka in Moscow .... Yes, and the ban does not solve the problems, all the problems are in the big unemployment in the Caucasus. There was no work in fat years, what to say about the crisis, when the problems are even in large cities. And private workers do not create jobs they want (who wants to invest money there?) and the state-owned company says that we live according to the laws of a market economy ...
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 9 February 2016 08: 46
      +6
      And what can proud Caucasian peoples do?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 09: 19
        +5
        Quote: Darkness
        And what can proud Caucasian peoples do?

        Lezginka in Moscow to dance! wassat
  32. L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 9 February 2016 07: 48
    +2
    Well done sane Dagestanis and Chechens.
  33. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 9 February 2016 07: 56
    +4
    Increasingly, I come to the conclusion that atheism, as one of the ideas for building a monolithic multinational state, is brilliant in its simplicity and action.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 9 February 2016 08: 08
      +1
      This is the only thing that can unite different people.
      Any religion only divides.
      1. L. A. A.
        L. A. A. 9 February 2016 11: 49
        +4
        How can atheism unite? If there were no religion, many people would have long ceased to abide by the laws.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 9 February 2016 12: 38
          +1
          Quote: L.A. A.
          How can atheism unite?
          Look at the pederast parade: some atheists, shoulder to shoulder, hip to hip ... laughing (auto-mod for once fixed me correctly with a parade)
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 9 February 2016 12: 52
            0
            Nothing in Europe on the gamepads, most Christians?
            1. Stanislas
              Stanislas 9 February 2016 13: 04
              0
              Quote: Darkness
              in Europe on gamepads, most Christians
              laughing I wasn’t inside, I probably can’t say, but on TV I didn’t see anyone with a cross there. Where does infa come from? I suppose they themselves composed ...
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 9 February 2016 15: 11
                0
                Have you looked closely? Or should the cross, like the priests, be under 3 pounds and large? In general, I saw very few Catholics and Protestants with crosses.
                1. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 9 February 2016 20: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: Darkness
                  In general, I saw very few Catholics and Protestants with crosses.
                  Protestants do not wear crosses at all, and you have seen few Catholics. But, regardless of the wearing of symbols (it has nothing to do with it at all), imagine for yourself how homosexuals can love God, who, according to the biblical story, burned them with "fire and brimstone" and promised the rest of them this eternal "pleasure" after death. I doubt that there are such convinced masochists among them.
            2. zaboyschik
              zaboyschik 10 February 2016 18: 02
              0
              Sick? Heal, there’s nothing for healthy people to get into the conversation.
        2. oxana_iv
          oxana_iv 9 February 2016 23: 48
          +1
          Do you seriously believe that believers abide by the laws, and atheists are criminals ??? laughing They made fun.
          1. zaboyschik
            zaboyschik 10 February 2016 18: 06
            0
            A real and not a nominal Christian with the Holy Spirit inside always observes. There are thousands of examples before my eyes, I personally know exactly the thousands of people with many convictions who came to Christ and have happy families with many children. I can even give specific examples with links to personal pages on social networks. Atheism at least one criminal corrected?
    2. tolian
      tolian 9 February 2016 08: 41
      0
      Right! But .... through religion to atheism! The first attempt in Russia was unsuccessful. There will be the following attempts, taking into account the experience gained. And in the end - religion - the opium of the people! Is not it? Are the classics of Marxism wrong?
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 9 February 2016 09: 03
        -1
        In the future, I hope, the entire population of the Earth will unite under the idea of ​​scientific atheism. Any religion will be driven to where it belongs.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 9 February 2016 13: 14
          +3
          Quote: Darkness
          under the idea of ​​scientific atheism
          The idea is false, since science has nothing to do with the supernatural and will never say anything imputable on this topic. Science in this phrase plays the thankless role of a cover for poorly educated atheists who do not know this and present atheism as the achievement of scientific thought, and their beliefs about "this can never be" as scientific thinking.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 9 February 2016 15: 13
            0
            A lover of TNT and REN-TV ?.
        2. oxana_iv
          oxana_iv 10 February 2016 00: 07
          +1
          I support)) Of course, you won’t get into the head of a person, but if you want to believe in God and send religious cults, then let him do this at home.
          Only as long as religions are used to maintain state ideology and manipulation of consciousness, we can not live to such happiness (this also applies to Russia).
          There, comrades complained above that Jehovah's Witnesses "nightmares" the Orthodox. And here is the "nightmare" of the ROC! They tell me on every corner that there is no morality without faith. That is, if I am an atheist, then I am immoral. Should I sue for insulting ... uh ... atheistic feelings? winked
          1. zaboyschik
            zaboyschik 10 February 2016 18: 08
            0
            Believers just want to save you from Hell, your morality to them to the bulb.
      2. Stanislas
        Stanislas 9 February 2016 13: 25
        0
        Quote: tolian
        religion - the opium of the people
        You are quoting correctly (without the usual distortion "for the people"), but it would not be superfluous (in order to avoid anachronism) to remember that in the days of Marx, although the British (Protestants again!) Were already waging the opium wars in China, for the Europeans it was not a drug in the modern sense, but a medicine that gives a person strength and good spirits. “To turn criticism of heaven into criticism of earth” - that was what Marx’s message was, so it would not be necessary to use it in the sense of “all the troubles from religion”; the word "believed" is not at all synonymous with the word "sting".
      3. oxana_iv
        oxana_iv 10 February 2016 00: 13
        0
        Right. Only Marx understood not only the negative aspects of religion, but also its social conditioning and historical necessity at a certain stage. The full quote reads as follows: "Religion is the sigh of an oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a soulless order. Religion is the opium of the people."
    3. iohanson
      iohanson 9 February 2016 09: 13
      0
      Perhaps, but not for Russia ... a milestone with which we said goodbye 24 years ago.
  34. sledge
    sledge 9 February 2016 08: 00
    +2
    The world in the Caucasus has always been shaky, and our "friends" from the peninsula know this very well.
  35. Darkness
    Darkness 9 February 2016 08: 11
    +2
    I recently had a dag as a salesman. Peaceful atom, what a mess in his head. The only true source of knowledge for him is the sites "Islam.ru", etc.
    When I learned that I was an atheist, the hatred was ostentatious. And he belonged specifically to "traditional" Islam.
    1. Russiamoy
      Russiamoy 11 February 2016 00: 16
      0
      Do not know Do not know. We built a house. It was necessary to pour concrete under the fence. Hired by the announcement of two young guys. In appearance, Caucasians worked from morning until evening, work drafty. When speaking and talking, respectful but not ingratiating. Then they talked, they turned out to be Chechens. They are all different.
      Ps we have a Russian family but no hostility. To us was not
  36. dropout
    dropout 9 February 2016 08: 13
    +5
    Or maybe the Bolsheviks were right, preaching (with an iron hand) atheism as the only true worldview.
    1. Hecate
      Hecate 9 February 2016 10: 33
      +1
      Having looked at the current priestly obscurantism, you come to the same opinion: all these priests need power and money, and they get loot from Turkey and other Emirates, vparivaya people the point of view they need. Fell them, it’s Islamic terrorists. Humpback grave correct.
    2. zaboyschik
      zaboyschik 10 February 2016 18: 10
      0
      And the whole world, as well as the citizens themselves, saw what this led to. Bad example, do your best.
  37. 1536
    1536 9 February 2016 08: 14
    +2
    We need to look for these events, why this happens, why people turn to these branches of religion. And closing the mosque is like a provocation. Once again you are convinced of the mediocre actions of the government.
    In my opinion, a few years ago part of the Dagestan land was transferred to a neighboring state, and this is a pond where people grazed sheep and worked. Naturally, people are outraged. As the receiver said recently: Don't promise people what you can't do. So don't promise anything at all? Anyway, there is no one besides us? It turns out there is! And this is a political program? Is this a "party"?
  38. Balagan
    Balagan 9 February 2016 08: 15
    +1
    And what prevents the Dagestan muftiate from putting things in order there themselves?
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 9 February 2016 08: 40
      +3
      The pastor cannot go against the flock ...
      The whole thing is that everything has already happened there. Supporters of the caliphate to the Urals unmeasured. Why work when you can capture, occupy, rob ...
      "You Ivan, give me a plan, and I - Mustafa, I can't work." Folk Caucasian proverb.
  39. Signaller
    Signaller 9 February 2016 08: 19
    +1
    Where are the authorities ???? We need a dialogue with people. You need to understand them. And then right away, sects, all that ..... Close and business then zero ?????. This does not happen. First of all, think, and then talk. Look for common ground. Otherwise ....... a nightmare is provided for many years.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 9 February 2016 08: 46
      +2
      It's easy to understand them.
      Are you Russian, not a Muslim? Slave you.
      And in general he went out of our land.
      And when we have nothing to eat, we will come to your home. You have to feed us. Because you exploited the proud people of the Caucasus. And owes us.
      Then very soon, your home will be my home.
      See above for more. Are you non-Muslim? Get out .... you will be a slave.
      Look for points with them.
      Putin no longer knows how to look for them. He gave money immeasurably. And for the construction of factories ... for everything ...
      I remember a mosque in Moscow dawning and appeared there more than once.
      Now something has stopped. I realized that to no purpose.
  40. Papapg
    Papapg 9 February 2016 08: 29
    +1
    Quote: Resident007
    Let these Salafis go to work for the good of their republic, and not do confusion in the region. Why did they stir up trouble? In Dagestan, Christians and Jews are already a very overwhelming minority ... Or they want to pit Muslims against each other, there are of course people who want to "stir up" the Caucasus against Russia ... by any means.

    In a bee family, when a lot of bees appear that are not busy with work due to the lack of nectar on the plants, the bee family begins to swarm. The same with people, a lot of people who are not busy with work, that’s the problem for you.
  41. akims
    akims 9 February 2016 08: 34
    +1
    Revolution never happens just like that. At least someone’s money is always behind them.
    Previously, in this region, the British drank water. Remember: "ENGLISH MUTIT" Mayakovsky

    http://feb-web.ru/feb/mayakovsky/texts/ms0/ms8/ms8-200-.htm

    And since it’s restless there, look for someone’s ears.
  42. sergant89
    sergant89 9 February 2016 08: 34
    +6
    Quote: Finches
    Where is Ramzan with his special forces and negative words about Salafism ....? If now it’s hard not to deal with these geeks, tomorrow you can get a huge problem!

    Quote: Andrew Y.
    here’s a field worthy of R. Kadyrov, turn around — I don’t want to! catch-shoot emissaries! and the mentality is more or less familiar, and the locality too. and experience, not to occupy.

    I don’t understand who puts the pluses to these statements? You absolutely don’t know the mentality of these completely different peoples. Do you want to say that to the Dagestanis about 19 nationalities will come to the republic and it will be decided who the Chechen is right or guilty even Kadyrov? Do you want them to unleash a new Caucasian war? In summer, he was visiting his sister in Dagestan (born there and lived until 16 years), met with classmates of whom 2 became adherents of Wahhabism, both came to this in Russia, one this year. Voronezh, another in St. Petersburg, this is not about that, but about the fact that any event of a corrupt, criminal or domestic nature takes on a religious color, they immediately blame the authorities (which did not get rid of clanism, corruption and cut budget funds) and exalt religious leaders of extremism there’s really big money for it, armed peasants and duped and uneducated youth who have nowhere to work and when religion becomes a fashionable form of superiority over others because of the fear of others to be accused of not observing the Koran. In a town of about 50, thousands of people are closed. shops selling alcohol (selling in private houses or in taverns that unfasten tribute) because of threats to blow them up, which has been done more than once (threw grenades at the windows). People who are engaged in business pay tribute to all these underground cells because of the fear of being killed, which has been done more than once. The painstaking and difficult work of the government is necessary (and it’s better to replace it with Russian independent leaders as it was under the Union, which will not raise representatives of their nationality to a better life, although in the current conditions this is unrealistic ) on the creation of jobs and employment, the work of special services. And you all know very well that alcohol is banned on the territory of Chechnya and the entire male population who wants to drink is going to come off to Dagestan and the cities of the Stavropol Territory, where but skirmishes, and then want to send Chechen special forces in Dagestan? think before you write or study the question. And look at it so that I do not seem unfounded.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 February 2016 11: 22
      +3
      Mostly mentally retarded people who do not have logic go to such mosques, they can’t analyze anything - just blindly believing that all kinds of crooks and charlatans are hatching them - the herd of sheep is easy to manage.
    2. prishelec
      prishelec 9 February 2016 17: 01
      -1
      Quote: sergant89
      And yet you all know very well that alcohol is banned on the territory of Chechnya and the entire male population who wants to drink is going to come off to Dagestan and the cities of the Stavropol Territory

      I don’t know who is going where, but Chechens in almost any village buy vodka (for sale) and calmly drink even in the middle of the street - they sit and drink, and no one (law enforcement officers) pay attention to them, calmly drink at home , or in cafes, bars, etc.! Well, it’s forbidden - formally.
      1. Vanya Ivanov
        Vanya Ivanov 9 February 2016 17: 25
        0
        in Grozny there is a beluga boutiques. everything is for sale there. just the entrance from the yard.
        1. prishelec
          prishelec 9 February 2016 19: 06
          0
          Quote: Vanya Ivanov
          in Grozny there is a beluga boutiques. everything is for sale there. just the entrance from the yard.

          Yes, there are many places there except for the beluga, where you can buy and where you can drink.
      2. prishelec
        prishelec 9 February 2016 19: 04
        0
        Maybe the one who set the minus will express what I'm wrong in ?! what
    3. dropout
      dropout 10 February 2016 13: 16
      0
      But it doesn’t seem strange to anyone that Aborigines on their own territory conduct their religious propaganda in the RUSSIAN language. It seems to me that this should make us think seriously.
  43. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 9 February 2016 08: 34
    +4
    It is necessary to help the Yellowstone volcano explode and then all sorts of Salafisms will cease by themselves.
  44. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 9 February 2016 08: 36
    11
    The visiting "guests" shit everywhere in the same way: both in the North Caucasus and in the Volga region. The Chechen clergy did the right thing by announcing the emissaries, preachers and the very trend of "Wahhabis" outside the law. Ramzan is right: the infection must be destroyed now, and not left for tomorrow, these are the same creatures as our "effective managers" - ready to sell their homeland for bucks.
  45. igor1981
    igor1981 9 February 2016 08: 47
    0
    Interestingly, is it not with these events that a sudden check of the Southern Military District began?
  46. kam4atka
    kam4atka 9 February 2016 08: 49
    +1
    Everything is according to the plan. Nothing new.
  47. Multicast
    Multicast 9 February 2016 08: 49
    +9
    Dagestanis and all who will watch this news and read posts, I will post 4 videos below - how it all began in Chechnya and this led to a disastrous result for Chechnya itself - war, slavery, killings, destruction of infrastructure under 0 and had a hand in it all Wahhabis, money and help from the West — every Muslim, Christian, and Atheist in the Russian Federation should know this. Their task was to undermine the situation in the Russian Federation. Yes, a rally can and should be - but by law! Yes, you need to protect your churches - but always remember what happened nearby in Chechnya and how Chechnya paid for it. The consequences in the future can be dire and God forbid you take up arms - you will receive Chechnya 2.0 only in Khasavyurt and nearby areas. I am not against Islam - the Koran says that the Hrestians are brothers and what Isa (Jesus) said, we also believe in this and honor it! It says so in the Quran it seems in the 2nd or 4th Sura, whoever knows correct me. Due to the fact that there is no work in Dagestan and there is nothing for young people to do - looking at the procession along the road - I did not notice the poor and ragged men and guys - all of you notice everyone was wearing a jacket, pants, etc., etc. I agree that the region may not be rich but not poor. The government in Dagestan is building various enterprises - so you can find work - if there is a desire and a normal healthy man will find a job. Here is a video about Chechnya, part 1: http://youtu.be/y3JaOZ3keSA 2) part http://youtu.be/_rHK9bizZHg 3) part http://youtu.be/7eMYrWE7SKQ 4) part http://youtu.be / ife2_sPzZnw I hope every normal person will have no desire to pick up weapons to kill and slaughter civilians living next to you after watching the video. But even if an explosion occurs - we all understand how this fire will be put out - they will simply destroy everyone and everything and force everyone to return to peaceful life - while you still have to rebuild your infrastructure yourself - think about it 10000 times before taking up arms.
    1. LIS10411
      LIS10411 9 February 2016 11: 36
      +2
      Ukraine today, Chechnya was yesterday, they are trying different approaches.
  48. uskrabut
    uskrabut 9 February 2016 08: 52
    +5
    All this fuss began when, instead of a normal life, people were given shock therapy (robbed, deprived of the possibility of decent earnings, hopes for a normal life), all this happened during the Gaidar reforms and has not been fixed until now, and no one really deals with this. Give people a decent life, and no one will follow these extremist preachers, people themselves spend them away.
    1. Multicast
      Multicast 9 February 2016 08: 58
      -4
      Now is someone bothering to create your own business? Or a shop selling things? Or will they take away the garden where you grow tomatoes? Or grazing cattle? Now is just the time to get up from your knees yourself - there is no war - there is no strong harassment and every region lives as it wants - if you don’t want to work, don’t work and be poor and if you want to work, work and earn money. The state needs you so that Anglo-Saxon does not come to you and does not rob you, and yes it needs to be paid to your army and navy!
  49. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 9 February 2016 08: 53
    +1
    Well what are you! We have any ideology prohibited by the Constitution.
    [Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 13
    1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
    2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.

    quote = Gloom] By the way, is there any ideology in Russia that would resist ISIS? [/ quote]
  50. Yurmix
    Yurmix 9 February 2016 09: 04
    0
    Quote: geek2101
    The problem is not the distribution of brochures, but the distribution of destructive ideologies.

    And what brochures are not included in the concept of destructive ideologies?