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Lviv pogrom

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The Great Patriotic War brought pain and suffering to many peoples of the USSR. As a result of the deliberate policies of the invaders, millions of our compatriots were destroyed. A separate tragic page of the war are the Nazi massacres of the Jewish population. It should be noted that various collaborationists took an active part in the extermination of the Jews. Today, in the Baltics and especially in Ukraine, amid attempts to revise the outcome of the Second World War, the rehabilitation and heroization of collaborators is underway. These circumstances make the problem under study of particular relevance.

An important place here is taken by the reflection of the events of the beginning of July 1941 of the year that occurred in Lviv, when about four thousand Jews died (according to other sources, about seven thousand people died). Some authors categorically deny the participation of nationalists, others are convinced of the opposite. If Ukrainian historians categorically deny the participation in this tragedy of parts of the OUN, the Ukrainian police and the Nachtigall battalion, writing off everything to certain criminal and declassed elements, as well as Poles, the works of Russian and Western researchers are built differently. On the whole, the assessments of Western historians largely coincide with the opinion of Russian authors, who have made significant progress on this issue.

Among the reasons for such polarity of assessments and opinions, first of all, it is necessary to note the limited source base and the difference in interpretations of the same documents.

Up until the 1990s, most documents were virtually inaccessible to most historians, especially Western. This led to the specificity of the work of Western researchers, who operated mainly with secondary sources, experiencing a shortage of archival materials. The credibility of the emigre materials of the OUN-UPA, as well as memoirs, very often raised questions. The situation was aggravated by the lack of documents of the German occupation authorities.

With the collapse of the USSR and the opening of some archives, a new stage began in the study of the issue, a number of serious works appeared. In the West, Canadian stories of Ukrainian origin Ivan Pavlo Khimka, as well as the German scientist Grzegorz Rossolinski Libe, have become recognized experts in the study of the Lviv 1941 events of the year.

On the eve of the pogrom
It seems logical to consider the events on the eve of the Lvov pogrom. Due to the failure of the Red Army, in the direction of Lviv at the very beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the front line was rapidly moving eastward. During the first week of fighting, the advanced units of the Wehrmacht and the Ukrainian collaboration units, the Nachtigall sabotage and reconnaissance battalion as part of the German special-purpose regiment Brandenburg-800, approached Lviv.

30 June the city was practically occupied by the enemy. Together with the occupiers, the nationalist detachments of the OUN-B — Bandera — entered the city. Note that in the event of a war, the OUN-B had a specific tactic of the struggle for independence - the “policy of fait accompli.” Bandera assumed active actions to put their allies (Germany and its satellites) before a fait accompli, as a rule, not coordinating their actions in advance.

One of the first such "facts" was the 30 June 1941 events in Lviv. Deciding to take advantage of the situation in their own interests, Bandera proclaimed the Act of Uprising of the Ukrainian state. Y. Stetsko was appointed Prime Minister. The creation (restoration) of the Ukrainian state was declared, the main slogan of which was an orientation towards the ideas of Great Germany and its leader creating a new order.

The proclamation of this act was accompanied by a pogrom, monstrous in its scale and consequences.

What happened in the morning?

Now quite clearly established chronology of events. What was the impetus for the Jewish pogrom? On the morning of June 30, in Lviv prisons about 2,5 thousands of prisoners were shot. This provoked anti-Jewish actions. As noted by P. Khimka, at first, the angry relatives of the victims rushed to look for male Jews, forced them to dig out the dead. After the victims were recovered, the Jews were killed there, in the prison yard.

By the evening began a total pogrom. According to eyewitnesses of the events in which she herself had to experience the role of the victim, the Jewish women of Rosa Wagner, the mob mocked her and other women, beat them, kicked them, and grabbed her hair.

Such mockeries are well documented visually, since the Germans were shooting a film in Lviv at that time. It shows, for example, how the mob beat one woman and another pulled her hair down the street.

Characteristically, the witness identifies the mob as follows: "the lower classes of Ukrainian nationality", "Ukrainians", "gangsters", "urban shpana", "Chern", "Horde".

Ukrainian authors, while not denying the evidence of R. Wagner as a whole, appealing to her allegations of “mob” and “street punks,” point to the participation of the Poles in the pogrom.

Lviv pogrom


Today it is established that the Lviv pogrom took place from the second half of 30 in June until the end of 2 in July of 1941, and claimed the lives of about four thousand Jews, mostly male.

American historian Jeffrey Bourds, by comparing photos on police IDs and people in the photographs, the Germans found that at least eight of the rioters in the photographs belonged to the Ukrainian police.

It is worth noting that one of the first orders of the nationalists in Lviv was the creation of the “Ukrainian militia”, which played a central role in restoring the new order.

In particular, in 2008, Bourdsom identified a former Ukrainian police officer, a certain Ivan Kovalishin, and recently historians identified M. Pecharsky in the same way (he is in the picture above). It is noteworthy that their stay in Lviv on the days described is also confirmed by the report of the head of the OUN hiking group No. XXUMX Timish Semchishin from July 111 on July 9.

It is noteworthy that R. Wagner, not knowing exactly who the pogromists were, called them simply “Ukrainians”. Many other evidences of surviving Jews about the pogroms in Western Ukraine are also called pogrom-makers "Ukrainians", without specifying who those Ukrainians-pogromists were.

Many witnesses noted that the policemen participating in these actions "had identification marks of blue-yellow color on their hands."

Similar actions took place in Volyn, and especially in the Baltic States, where the newly created police, arresting small Jews, handed them over to the Einsatzgroup for subsequent execution.

Despite the absence of documents testifying to the concealment of the Lviv events by the Germans, Western historians are unanimous in their opinion that the arrests of Jews and the subsequent harassment and murder were carried out with the tacit consent of the German authorities.

Noting the cooperation of the OUN and the Germans in conducting anti-Semitic actions, the authors doubted the autonomy of the actions of anti-Semitic actions, arguing that in this way they tried to win a positive attitude of the Germans to the idea of ​​Ukrainian independence. The reasons for the contacts of the invaders with the nationalists - the direct perpetrators of the pogroms - are also described in detail in the famous monograph of the American historian Timothy Snyder.

Note that Bandera sticking Nazi leaflets around Lviv: "People! Know! Moscow, Poland, Magyars, Jews are your enemies. Destroy them! Know! Your leadership is the Wire of Ukrainian nationalists, this is OUN. Your leader is Stepan Bandera" . After reading such appeals, the representatives of the new government literally saturate themselves with rage, and this intensified the pogroms.

The historian Rossolinsky-Libe established that the fifth and sixth Einsatzcommands shot about 2,5 — 3 thousand Jews. They were led to the stadium by the OUN-B militia. Ukrainian detachments from the OUN-B detachment seized Jews around the city, in their apartments and forwarded them to the stadium, and from there they were taken to the places of execution. At that time, there were about 150 thousands of Jews in Lviv. Of these, more than half were refugees from German-occupied Poland. "The Poles in the city were about 50 percent, the Ukrainians - 15-20 percent."

About the battalion "Nachtigall"

Separately, we will focus on the participation of the Ukrainian Nachtigall collaboration battalion in the events described. According to the assumptions of A. Dyukov, a well-known Russian researcher, "apparently, some of the Nachtigall servicemen were used to" pinpoint "opponents of the OUN in accordance with the" black lists ".

At the same time, the author cites the post-war memories of the former serviceman of "Nachtigall" Grigory Melnik and Ounovets Yaroslav Shpital, and also refers to West German judicial materials. For obvious reasons, Ukrainian historiography considers these materials evidence of "Soviet propaganda."

Western experts are also cautious about this issue, noting that neither the regiment Brandenburg-800, nor the Nachtigall battalion, nor R. Shukhevych anywhere in the materials of the Nuremberg Tribunal do not appear, although the events in Lviv were considered there.

In addition, subsequent trials in Europe also did not establish the participation of Nachtigall in the pogrom.

However, an important circumstance here is the fact that the information obtained after the war by the Soviet state security organs from the former members of the battalion and the OUN members who were convicting the battalion were not known to the parties to the proceedings.

Who participated in the pogrom: an attempt to hide the traces of the OUN

In April 2008, the Security Service of Ukraine officially distributed documentary information called "The Book of Facts", where the participation of the OUN in the Jewish pogroms, including in Lviv, was categorically denied.

Canadian scientist of Ukrainian origin Mark Tsarinnik exposed the fake, citing convincing evidence. In particular, he noted that the typewriter, "which was supposedly a chronicle of the events in Lviv on July 1941, said how the SS called for" the OUN to take punitive actions against the Jews, but Bandera did not agree to this. " Having carefully read the fragment of the "Book of Facts", the author paid attention at the end to the information that was strange for 1941: "Bandera was concluded almost until the end of the war."

But the attentive historian Tsarinnik immediately noticed a very strange detail. If everything described was a 1941 chronicle of the year, how could the phrase about Bandera, concluded before the end of the war, appear? As soon as the historian gave wide publicity to this fact of apparent inconsistency, this five-page version of this document, which was posted on the SBU website, was cut down to three.

As you can see, falsification stories encouraged by the modern Ukrainian government and occurs at the highest level, not to mention the scientific community.

What else have historians discovered

Many Western authors (G. Rossolinski-Libe, P. Rudling, T. Snyder) unanimously assert that it was the “Ukrainian government” J. Stetsko voluntarily expressed his desire to destroy the Jews of Ukraine and the main propagandist of the OUN-B Stepan Lenkavsky “defended the physical elimination of the Ukrainian jews Stetsko approved the elimination of the Jews and the expediency of using the German methods of exterminating the Jews of Ukraine in order to prevent their assimilation, etc. "(quoted by I. Khimka. Vidpovid Sergiu Lukyanenko about Roman Shukhevych).

Rossolinski-Libe also refers to “plans of the OUN-B to evacuate or destroy ethnic minorities and replace them with“ ethnic ”Ukrainians in the“ ethnic ”Ukrainian land” (G. Rossolinski-Libe, P. Rudling, T. Snyder. OUN and UPA: Studies on the creation of historical myths: a collection of articles. Kiev, 2012. C. 36).

In conclusion, it should be noted that this issue, despite the large number of sources and a large historiographic array, is far from the optimal interpretation and objectivity of the estimates. This can lead to the gradual disappearance of “white spots” and to a better, deeper knowledge of the mechanisms of behavior of large groups of people, especially against the background of a worsening moral and ideological catastrophe in Ukraine, which is based on the cult of hatred.
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  1. inkass_98
    inkass_98 11 February 2016 07: 30
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    After such shots, it is not at all surprising what happened then in the Ruin, and even now it explains a lot:
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 11 February 2016 09: 35
      +6
      The essence of collaboration and the forms of its manifestation are disgusting.

      Collaborationism, translated from French. “Cooperate” with someone, as a historical fact and a phenomenon of social life inherently existed and always exists everywhere.
      Many historians call collaborators only ideological accomplices of the enemy, and the rest - employees of the invaders. However, the psychiatrist and sociologist Erich Fromm, studying German fascism, argued that fascism, as such, will live on the education of a person, first of all, super-GREED (!) and then on assigning to them a “right” to privileged personal enrichment at the expense of other people. Therefore, collaborationism permeated all walks of life - from “top” to “bottom”. See, in particular, Lisoblyudskoe photo.
      Unfortunately, the article does not say that the German occupiers stimulated the Jewish pogroms in the territories they occupied by organizing the INFORMS system - with the obligatory permission of the informer to take the property of an allegedly unreliable personwhich, in particular, in the opinion of the Nazis themselves were primarily Jews (then gypsies, etc.) Because of this, many came under the flag of "Ukrainian" Nazism to serve the German occupiers.
      By the way, the same thing happened in the Baltic countries.

      To author +
      1. karpah
        karpah 11 February 2016 12: 42
        +3
        What a blessing that we have our own country and our own strong army. And this is the most reliable guarantee that such a tragedy will not happen again
        1. Dewa1s
          Dewa1s 12 February 2016 10: 16
          +2
          It remains to understand how to gather all of you in your country.
          Well, so that your strong army will protect you all at once.
        2. Mona kisa
          Mona kisa 13 February 2016 22: 50
          -1
          Unfortunately, many Jews supported the State Department-Bandera junta and began to proudly call themselves Zhidobandera - that they did not give a shit to the memory of millions of ruined ancestors. This is such a disgrace for the Jews, from which they never wash themselves.
          Jews were enrolled in the neo-Nazi regiment "Azov" in order to destroy the civilian population of Donbass.
      2. Avantageur
        Avantageur 11 February 2016 19: 21
        +2
        Quote: Tatiana
        The essence of collaboration and the forms of its manifestation are disgusting.

        There is such a thing as - Jewish individual collaboration - whose representatives opposed the rest of the Eve and used all means for personal survival, including those leading to improvement (some Jews) or the death of the rest.

        Note that they took an active part in the extermination of Jews ...



    2. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 11 February 2016 10: 14
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      ... it is not at all surprising what happened then in the Ruin ...
      - There is also Stalin's fault. The Supreme Commander did not want to cast a shadow on the "Fraternal Union of Soviet Peoples", and merged this topic quietly. And the young growth began to grow in the west of Ukraine under the Soviet agitation and under the whisper of the unfinished Bandera supporters. They didn’t finish it then, they were “embarrassed” ... Which proves that ukronationalism should be burned out, and not tried to persuade.
      1. karpah
        karpah 11 February 2016 12: 49
        -6
        Under Stalin and in the future, this topic was deliberately hushed up. They never spoke about the extermination of Jews, but about the extermination of "Soviet citizens". In the same way, it was concealed that Khatyn was destroyed by the Ukrainian SS battalion, and not by the Germans. Although if we look at the ethnic composition of Vlasov's army, then we will see that in terms of the number of collaborationists, the Russians have left far behind all the other peoples of the USSR.
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        2. Aleksander
          Aleksander 11 February 2016 14: 50
          +3
          Quote: karpah
          if you look at the national composition of Vlasov’s army, we’ll see that in terms of the number of collaborators, Russians


          And if you look at the ethnic composition of the Galicia division? And what does Vlasov have to do with the Lvov pogrom?
          And the Russians, by the number of soldiers in the Red Army, left all the other peoples of the USSR far behind.
        3. Private27
          Private27 11 February 2016 15: 33
          +1
          Jews also served with Adolf and were captured by the Russians. Somehow ...
        4. Pomeranian
          Pomeranian 11 February 2016 16: 02
          +5
          Quote: karpah
          Although if you look at the national composition of the Vlasov’s army, we’ll see that in terms of the number of collaborators, the Russians left all the other peoples of the USSR far behind.

          And if you look at the national composition of the Warsaw ghetto police, then .. In general, you understand.
        5. Molot1979
          Molot1979 26 October 2016 05: 23
          0
          This is because there were much more Russians in general than everyone else. Naturally, there were more of them in the Vlasov army. Who else was she to be?
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    3. Lelek
      Lelek 11 February 2016 11: 59
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      After such shots, it is not at all surprising what happened then in the Ruin, and even now it explains a lot:


      Only the uniform on the soldier changed - it was German, it became American. And the slave, as was the Hutsul, remained so to them. yes
      1. jjj
        jjj 11 February 2016 12: 43
        +1
        The Germans created a special structure for executions, subordinate to Himler. She was not so numerous. The main backbone was people with higher education, professors, lawyers, and even pastors. The structure was engaged in the search in the occupied territories of party economic leaders, commissars, commanders, communists and Jews. At first, the liquidations took place openly. But the command of the Wehrmacht signaled that the constant executions carried out near the places of deployment, badly affect the morale of the soldiers. Executions of steel are carried out in secluded places. Mass executions required more people. German soldiers flatly refused to kill children. Ukrainian policemen and special forces came to the rescue. One time Himmler visited executions. He became ill. So there were gas-chamber machines. About 250 of thousands of people were killed in them.
        In order to cover up their crimes, the Germans destroyed the originals of the criminal orders. And the remains of the destroyed people were exhumed and burned. The worst thing is that from the top of the criminal structure after the American trial, only five villains were executed. The rest were sentenced, but in the mid-fifties they were released and became "respectable" citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany
        1. Molot1979
          Molot1979 26 October 2016 05: 30
          0
          At the same time, the Germans also took care of the mental and physical health of the drivers of gas vans. And then the poor things suffered terribly, pulling out of the body the bodies of those poisoned in vomit and excrement. And the remnants of exhaust gases in the chamber caused headaches for the carriers. Therefore, a special instruction was issued on what speed the engine should operate so that people in the cell would die without "unpleasant consequences" in the form of excrement and vomit, and the concentration of exhaust would not affect the drivers when unloading gas chambers.
          About Himmler's henchmen - not entirely true. Those who were lucky enough to fall into the hands of the "allies" were released. But whoever was caught by ours, or by the Poles in the overwhelming majority, ended their sinful days in a noose.
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  2. parusnik
    parusnik 11 February 2016 08: 01
    +4
    The chain of times broke .. the Nazis-heroes .. who fought Nazism-the enemies .. but what good it will not lead ...
  3. V.ic
    V.ic 11 February 2016 08: 02
    +3
    There were Nazi accomplices, there are heirs of Nazi accomplices — they saddled Kuev’s power ... They practiced on the Jews, now they train on the Russians. How much more can they endure?
  4. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 11 February 2016 08: 17
    0
    A new round ...... apparently the essence of bastards is ineradicable ...... !!!!
  5. Scud
    Scud 11 February 2016 09: 13
    10
    There is nothing more vile and disgusting than the so-called ,, Ukrainians ,, This scumbag nurtured by the Poles from the most vile scum of the Russian people (career killers) creeps before the authorities, they are ready to kill their own mother and father for power and a profitable place. Otto von Bismarck.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 11 February 2016 17: 46
      -2
      Scud

      Do not slander. Everyone has their own national identity. Well, its national character. With all this, the basic human needs of any nation have no fundamental difference.

      So, in general, wherever you spit, everyone is equal.
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 11 February 2016 19: 15
      +5
      There is a continuation. You have an incomplete quote.
      "These geeks
      ready to tear apart their fellow tribesmen, and not even for profit, but for
      satisfaction of their base instincts, for them there is nothing
      saint, betrayal is the norm of life for them, they are wretched by the mind,
      spiteful, envious, cunning with a special cunning. These villains have absorbed
      all the worst and basest things from Russians, Poles, and Austrians, for
      good qualities in their souls left no room. Most of all they hate
      their benefactors, those who have done them good and are ready in every way
      grovel before the mighty of this world. They’re not adapted to anything and
      can only do primitive work, they could never
      create their own state, many countries drove them like a ball on
      throughout Europe, slave instincts have so eaten into them that covered
      disgusting ulcers their whole essence! "
      Attributed to Otto von Bismarck.
  6. triglav
    triglav 11 February 2016 12: 02
    +1
    Among Ukrainians, collaborators were always in large numbers and in larger numbers than in other republics of the USSR. Therefore, now Israel does not support sanctions against Russia. And with Ukraine, not really ...
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 11 February 2016 13: 02
      +3
      Quote: triglav
      Among Ukrainians, collaborators were always in large numbers and in larger numbers than in other republics of the USSR.

      That you sho?! More than in the Baltics? (Percentage)? More than in Crimea? More than in the Caucasus among the same Chechens? More than Russians (again, as a percentage in the occupied territory)? Is it really that strong? You have a childish desire to stand next to you and indicate with an accusing finger: "Aha! Here they are all! But Yayayaya ... against their background ... all in what!" But this is childhood, to indulge your pride in this way. Read the information about traitors from all the so-called "national" formations! Here is an excerpt from "Vika" (in my mother's language, especially for people like you: According to the national composition and the name of the formations, the number of volunteers was distributed as follows: Caucasian and "Turkestan" battalions - 40 thousand people, SS division "Galicia" - 10 thousand, formations and units of the ROA - 28 thousand, Cossack units - 10 thousand. "That is, ALL occupied Ukraine gave 10 thousand" Galitsaev "and approximately 100 thousand" UPARs "(this is inclusive from 1953). And not a large part of the occupied RSFSR for a short period During a long period of time, it provided 38 + 10 thousand "collaborators"!
      And here is a link to the article:
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Коллаборационизм_во_Второй_мировой_войне
      Learn so that when you write something on this topic in the future it does not look silly.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 11 February 2016 15: 10
        +3
        Quote: revnagan
        Quote: triglav
        Among Ukrainians, collaborators were always in large numbers and in larger numbers than in other republics of the USSR.

        That you sho?! More than in the Baltics? (Percentage)? More than in Crimea? More than in the Caucasus among the same Chechens? More than Russians (again, as a percentage in the occupied territory)? Is it really that strong? You have a childish desire to stand next to you and indicate with an accusing finger: "Aha! Here they are all! But Yayayaya ... against their background ... all in what!" But this is childhood, to indulge your pride in this way. Read the information about traitors from all the so-called "national" formations! Here is an excerpt from "Vika" (in my mother's language, especially for people like you: According to the national composition and the name of the formations, the number of volunteers was distributed as follows: Caucasian and "Turkestan" battalions - 40 thousand people, SS division "Galicia" - 10 thousand, formations and units of the ROA - 28 thousand, Cossack units - 10 thousand. "That is, ALL occupied Ukraine gave 10 thousand" Galitsaev "and approximately 100 thousand" UPARs "(this is inclusive from 1953). And not a large part of the occupied RSFSR for a short period During a long period of time, it provided 38 + 10 thousand "collaborators"!
        And here is a link to the article:
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Коллаборационизм_во_Второй
        _ world war
        Learn so that when you write something on this topic in the future it does not look silly.

        Handsomely. In appearance. Only now the Vlasovites and others like them in Russia (the USSR) got theirs - a noose, a bullet, a prison. Nobody in Russia dares to declare them heroes. And in the Baltic states, and especially in Ukraine, they were elevated to heroes, wear their uniforms, their symbols, their banner became state ones. So that. Do not hide behind the red flag, post your avatar.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 11 February 2016 19: 32
          -2
          Quote: Pushkar
          Handsomely. In appearance. Only now the Vlasovites and others like them in Russia (the USSR) got theirs - a noose, a bullet, a prison.

          So in the USSR and the Galicians also received their own. Little was not finalized with them.
          Quote: Pushkar
          So that. Do not hide behind the red flag, post your avatar.

          I have my own avatar. But do you have something to object to in fact?
          Quote: Pushkar
          And in the Baltic states, and especially in Ukraine, they were elevated to heroes, wear their uniforms, their symbols, their banner became state ones.
          What did you expect from their descendants who seized power in the country? What would they say like this: “My grandfather was an accomplice of the Nazis, an executioner and a traitor?” Of course, they squeal that their ancestors are from the SS- “heroi.” And God forbid in Russia the "oppositionists" will take power. You will see how the "unfinished", "underweight" and "innocently convicted" will emerge.
      2. Pomeranian
        Pomeranian 11 February 2016 16: 23
        0
        Quote: revnagan
        Learn so that when you write something on this topic in the future it does not look silly.

        You would also like to read at least something besides the silly Wikipedia
        Quote: revnagan
        That is, ALL the occupied Ukraine gave 10 thousand "Galitsaev" and approximately 100 thousand "UPAR" (this is inclusive from 1953). And not a large part of the occupied RSFSR for a short period gave 38 + 10 thousand "collaborators"!

        Yes of course. The Vlasov army was formed EXCLUSIVELY from residents of the part of the RSFSR occupied by the Germans, and to Belarusians or residents of Ukraine, as well as Siberians or Semirechensky Cossacks who had been captured by the Germans in the army of Vlasov, it was forbidden to betray their homeland, yeah. And what is even 50 of thousands in comparison with the half million partisans operating in the occupied territory of the Russian regions proper? However, if we take Vlasov’s army to the total number of the entire Russian population of the USSR, we get a miserable 1%. Zilch.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 11 February 2016 19: 20
          -2
          Quote: Pomoryanin
          You would also like to read at least something besides the silly Wikipedia

          Give your SMART facts from other sources.
          Quote: Pomoryanin
          Yes of course. Vlasov's army was formed EXCLUSIVELY from residents of the German-occupied part of the RSFSR

          Vlasov’s army was formed on a national basis, from ethnic Russians. And if occupied Ukraine gave about 110 thousand geeks (+ policemen), I don’t think that in the same conditions Russia would give less.
          Quote: Pomoryanin
          However, if we take Vlasov’s army to the total number of the entire Russian population of the USSR, a miserable 1% is obtained. Zilch.

          Even if you take the entire UPA, add to it the SS "Galitsaevs" and sprinkle them with policemen from above, then 150 thousand traitors against the background of 50 million people make up a pitiful 0,33. in the Red Army. Agree that against the background of the same Tatars or Chechens, these are absolutely pitiful figures. But you need to "byaknut" that there were most traitors among the Ukrainians. Say, VOOOO, a nation of scum, we always knew! "- some patriots! Don't" la-la ". Always, in any nation, the percentage of scum who are ready to take the side of the strongest in this historical segment is approximately the same. Although there were exceptions, the same Tatars.
          1. Pomeranian
            Pomeranian 12 February 2016 09: 08
            -1
            Quote: revnagan
            Give your SMART facts from other sources.

            Wikipedia is not the ultimate truth. But only.
            Quote: revnagan
            .And if occupied Ukraine gave about 110 thousand geeks (+ policemen), I do not think that Russia would give less in the same conditions.

            Strongly disagree. Not a single part of the RSFSR at the time of June 1941 was under capitalist control, nor was there an organized nationalist movement.
            Quote: revnagan
            Even if you take the entire UPA, add to it the SS "Galitsaevs" and sprinkle them with policemen from above, then 150 thousand traitors against the background of 50 million people make up a pitiful 0,33

            Well, yes, it’s only worth considering that, as you write, parts
            Quote: revnagan
            , from ethnic Russians.
            practically did not participate in the war against the Red Army. But 0,33% of the blood shed pretty much.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 12 February 2016 15: 31
              0
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              Wikipedia is not the ultimate truth. But only.

              Then yourself bring the facts on this topic, which will become the ultimate truth.
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              Strongly disagree. Not a single part of the RSFSR was at the time of June 1941 under capitalist

              In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev, uncle. What does the capitalist government have to do with it? SUCH NUMBER OF TRADITORS IN UKRAINE HAS BEEN CONSIDERED THAT IT HAS BEEN FULLY UNDER THE FRITZES. So it’s clear that, God forbid, the Nazis occupied the same square exactly traitors in this territory would be no less.
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              Well, yes, it’s only worth considering that, as you write, parts

              I didn’t understand anything. What parts are we talking about? Decipher.
              Quote: Pomoryanin
              practically did not participate in the war against the Red Army. But 0,33% of the blood shed pretty much.

              Opa-oops, this is a twist. Aerobatics of the demagogue. "Those" did not participate in the war (practically), but "These" shed much blood. So, after they were raked out near Brody, "in the war against the Red Army practically did not take part. " and fluffy angels, unlike ho.kh.lov (who, as everyone knows, are without exception bloodthirsty and traitors).
      3. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 11 February 2016 19: 11
        +1
        Sorry, but you were modest.
        UPA - 250
        Galicia - 18 - this is a division and not a brigade. In addition, there were significantly more vacancies available for those wishing to join this formation.
        Cossack units 10? This is one Cossack SS corps so much.
        There were 80 police battalions alone.
        Many were dissatisfied with the Soviet regime. B more Collectivization, decanting, dispossession, ELEPHANT, Belomorkanal, Kolyma ...
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 11 February 2016 17: 48
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      triglav

      There are enough collaborators among all nations.

      Israel, imposed sanctions or did not impose for reasons other than what you expressed.
  7. Kerch
    Kerch 11 February 2016 12: 15
    +1
    I had a chance to visit Lviv in 2011. A beautiful city. True, when I asked a woman in Russian in a bus, in response I received an incredulous look, as if speaking ....))
  8. Ravenr
    Ravenr 11 February 2016 13: 11
    +1
    Rabbi: Through our subsidiaries "Christianity" and "Islam" we have infected humanity.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 11 February 2016 20: 35
      +1
      Unfortunately, crowds of adherents of "traditional" religions are not aware of this truth. That is why the Catholic Huguenot cuts, and the Sunni Shiite, and all together - from both sides shred the Orthodox and "Orthodox". Right now, the faithful of all stripes will raise minus A like crosses.
  9. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 11 February 2016 14: 16
    +4
    Yes, the Russians had many traitors, but they did not and do not make heroes from these scum. Having a grandfather of Vlasov, for a politician in Russia this is the end of his career.
    And about the pogrom in Lviv, burned villages, killed civilians. these policemen were like in the proverb "the good fellow against the sheep. And against the good fellow the sheep himself." It is one thing to kill unarmed people who cannot answer. and try the other against the Soviet army, or fight the partisans.
    In short, the modern Ukrainian "heroism" has a historical past, just as before, it is one thing to burn pregnant and unarmed women in Odessa. but another thing is to try to burn the armed people. The result is the same, what then, what now. And there is no need for excuses about Voentorg and vacationers, in Chechnya Georgia there were also Khokhlyat vacationers, so what
  10. gladcu2
    gladcu2 11 February 2016 17: 42
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    Thanks to the author. Content article.

    And special thanks to Polina Efimovna, for the resume. In particular, for the phrase "moral and ideological changes." Since these are the reasons for changing the behavior of large groups of people.
  11. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 11 February 2016 19: 19
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    Quote
    From the decree of Tsar Ivan the Terrible:
    "... and exile all the holy fools and the poor to the Outskirts, there they have a place for fools"
  12. Grishka cat
    Grishka cat 11 February 2016 21: 15
    +1
    Wow! Link to the Outskirts! good
  13. Pitot
    Pitot 12 February 2016 02: 24
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    Quote: karpah
    What a blessing that we have our own country and our own strong army. And this is the most reliable guarantee that such a tragedy will not happen again

    You will nightmare the Arabs further - they will eventually give you a crap .... as the last of the immigrants from the USSR dies, so will the khan ...
  14. t7310
    t7310 13 February 2016 05: 56
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    Quote: inkass_98
    After such shots, it is not at all surprising what happened then in the Ruin, and even now it explains a lot:


    if it was tolerated there at that time it would hardly have happened (what’s in the photo). he was already prettier to the invaders.
    or an alternative version of a wedding ring steals :)