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About Lenin, pray and the president

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Putin accused Lenin of the fact that it was his ideas about the creation of republics that lay at the basis of the collapse of the USSR. And immediately a handful of politicians of lower rank began to throw mud at the great thinker. A large crowd of Internet moths rushed there too - kicking and throwing mud at a long-dead giant. Apparently this self-esteem from these citizens rises sharply. They themselves write something more complicated than a post, much less create something they cannot. What are there 54 volumes of works or the creation of the state. Immediately surfaced famous photo of Lenin after a wound to the head and stroke. Of course, with tons of gloating and bullying of a terminally ill person. Apparently they themselves will look better in the case of injuries to the head with poisoned bullets and strokes.


And now the facts.

Why was Lenin at all against Stalin's idea of ​​autonomy?

He considered it untimely, i.e. not incorrect in principle, but incorrect in the data historical conditions. What are these conditions?

Russia as a state, by the time the Bolsheviks finally took power, had de facto already collapsed into national formations. And it was not Lenin and Co. who had destroyed it, but the feudalist gentlemen, who were so sweet to the hearts of our liberals, whose backbone were the Freemasons, led by Kerensky, Guchkov and Co., including the top generals in the person of Alekseev, Ruzsky and Gurko! It was under them that the disintegration of Russia assumed not just chaotic, but acquired a “legal” and “legitimate” character, when the same Kerensky began to negotiate with the “Ukrainian independent citizens” from the UNR to recognize their bastard public education. By the way, this circumstance provoked another governmental crisis. Most of the Bolsheviks at that time were still in prison.

So, the national suburbs began to seethe and began to fall off. If the Bolsheviks, under those conditions, had bitten the bit and started shouting like “Denikin” about the one and indivisible one, then this separation would have become a final fact. And so, foreign elites had a chance to fuck the economic and military benefits from unity with Russia, and at the same time to rule on equal terms with Moscow. The nationalists threw bait: do not like it - leave. And for Lenin it was important to save the country. Somehow. On any conditions. The main thing is to gain time. Gather strength. But we will decide there the way it will be necessary - no one would utter a word. Here is such a simple and correct logic. And it’s not Lenin’s fault that the decision he made in emergency conditions was not reversed by his followers.

Legal issue.

The treaty on the formation of the USSR from 30 December 1922 of the year, indeed, provided for the possibility of the republics leaving the Union. Item 26 "For each of the Union republics retained the right to free exit from the Union". However, until January 31, 1924, when the Constitution of the USSR was adopted by the Second All-Union Congress of Soviets, no one exercised this right and made such attempts. In the Constitution of 1924, the right to exit the republics was not written out as a separate clause, being mentioned in the first part of the declaration.

CONCLUSION 1: under Lenin, the possibility of exit of the republics was only declared. There was no real legal opportunity for this, since there was no prescribed exit mechanism. In the Constitution of the USSR option 1936, this rule remains approximately the same. The basic law did not give any references to the by-laws and the procedure for the release. In addition, a single union citizenship was consolidated, as well as the priority of union legislation over the republican one.

The USSR Constitution of the 1977 variant retained the republics ’exit rate from the Union, but even here the details of this moment were not written out and fixed. That is, the procedure for the implementation of this right was simply not provided. The rule has also been preserved that “in the event of a disagreement between the law of the union republic and the all-union law, the law of the USSR is in effect”, which implies the impossibility of the union republics to independently initiate the process of secession from the USSR, to institute referenda, to enact laws relating to this topic.

The 75 article gave an unequivocal interpretation: “The territory of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is one and includes the territories of the Union republics. The sovereignty of the USSR extends over its entire territory.". It is important to note that Article 78 gave a clear definition: “The territory of a union republic cannot be changed without its consent. The boundaries between the Union Republics may be changed by mutual agreement of the respective republics, which is subject to approval by the USSR». But not the Bialowieza agreements! The USSR Constitution possessed the highest legal force. All laws and other acts of state bodies were obliged to be published on the basis and in accordance with the Constitution of the USSR, and not an agreement in the Belarusian forest.

2 output.
a) Blaming Lenin alone in the declaration of independence of the republics is stupid. All the leaders of the USSR could equally cancel it, but did not do it;
b) The most important thing: until the very end in the USSR there was no real mechanism for exiting the republics.

Who actually laid the bomb.

Who pressed the trigger of the "bomb" that, in Putin's opinion, was laid by Lenin? And where is this bomb located? The collapse of the USSR began de facto from the Baltic states. 23 August 1989, the nationalist movements of these republics, actively supported in the west, held a joint action called the Baltic Way and actually challenged the Soviet top. Practically at the peak of the Baltic 3 events of April 1990, the USSR Supreme Soviet adopted the USSR Law No. 1409 – 1 “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the exit of the union republic from the USSR”. And next, on the same day - the resolution, in which it is marked: "...any actions related to raising the issue of withdrawing a union republic from the USSR and contradicting the USSR Law “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the withdrawal of a union republic from the USSR”, taken both before and after it was put into effect, do not give rise to any legal consequences, both for the USSR and for the Union republics».

We cite the key articles of the aforementioned Law.

Article 6: "The decision to withdraw the union republic from the USSR is considered to be taken through a referendum if at least two thirds of the USSR citizens permanently residing in the republic voted for it at the time of raising the issue of its secession from the USSR and having the right to vote in accordance with USSR legislation. The results of the referendum are considered by the Supreme Soviet of the Union Republic. In a union republic that has autonomous republics, autonomous regions, autonomous districts or places of compact residence of the national groups mentioned in part two of Article 3 of this Law, the results of the referendum are considered by the Supreme Council of the union republic together with the Supreme Council of the autonomous republic and relevant Councils of people's deputies».

Article 7: "The Supreme Soviet of a Union Republic represents the results of a referendum to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. The Supreme Council of the Union Republic, which has autonomous republics, autonomous entities or places of compact residence of the national groups mentioned in part two of Article 3 of this Law, represents to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR the results of a referendum on each autonomous republic, on each autonomous entity or place of compact residence national groups with conclusions and suggestions of relevant government authorities. If it is established that the referendum was held in accordance with the law, the USSR Supreme Soviet shall submit the matter for consideration by the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR. In case of violation of the law during the referendum, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR appoints, within three months, a repeated referendum on the republic, either by its part or by an autonomous entity or by the place of compact residence of the national groups mentioned in part two of Article 3 of this Law».

But! Nothing like this has been done! The USSR was ruined by a group of conspirators, firstly, ignoring the requirements of the USSR Constitution, Union Law, and the results of the all-Union referendum on March 17 of 1991. Then the question was put to a popular vote: “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the USSR as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?” Of the 185,6 million citizens of the USSR, 148,5 million (80,01%) participated in the referendum with the right to vote. Of these, 113,5 million (76,43%) were in favor of preserving the USSR.

And the president of the RSFSR, BN, became one of the main conspirators and gravediggers of the USSR. Yeltsin. In 1990, he was elected to the post of chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR. Announcing the program of activities, Yeltsin said: "I have never advocated secession of Russia, I am for the sovereignty of the Union, for the equality of republics, for the republics to be strong and for this to strengthen our Union." Two months later, in Ufa, Yeltsin proposed that the national republics of Russia take as much sovereignty as they could “swallow”. A year later, on June 12, 1991, in Russia, more precisely, in the RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic), the first presidential elections were held. Boris Yeltsin was elected, becoming the first and last President of the RSFSR. This is much later overthrown by MS. Gorbachev will say that B.N. Yeltsin betrayed him. But Mikhail Sergeevich did not show any will to resist the collapse of the USSR and to stop the unconstitutional activities of B.N. Yeltsin up to Belovezhsky collusion. Yes, in fact, there was no will, both presidents became figures completely dependent on overseas well-wishers. Where is Lenin and his bomb? There is more Yeltsin, Putin's spiritual and political father smacks.

Legally, the USSR no one collapsed. All that happened is a political technology, but not a legal process. Lenin has nothing to do with it.

A few years after the collapse of the USSR, the Special Commission of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation found that when signing the Belovezhsk agreements: “B.N. Yeltsin went on to flagrantly violate articles 74 – 76 of the USSR Constitution of 1977, Law of the USSR “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the exit of the Union Republic from the USSR”, articles of 4, 5, 68, 70, 71, 76 of the RSFSR Constitution of 1978 of the Year, 4 , 6 of the RSFSR Law of 24 of April 1991 of the Year “On the President of the RSFSR” and committed these actions against the will of the peoples of the RSFSR on the need to preserve the USSR expressed during the popular vote (referendum) held on March 17 of 1991 of the year ”. The Commission recognized that “in the actions of the President of the Russian Federation B.N. Yeltsin, aimed at the preparation, conclusion and implementation of the Bialowieza Accords, has sufficient data indicating signs of a serious crime stipulated in article 64 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR (275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) and "consisting in treason against the Motherland by preparing and organizing a conspiracy to unconstitutional seizure of the federal government , the abolition of the then active federal institutions, the unlawful change of the constitutional status of the RSFSR. " However, there was no punishment ...

About Lenin, pray and the president


But something else followed by the will of Putin himself. At the end of last year in honor of B.N. Yeltsin in Yekaterinburg was erected a palace - the Yeltsin Center, which summed up the destructive activities of the former president of the RSFSR and the Russian Federation at his post and showed the face of the current government. At the grand opening of an expensive facility, President Putin said: "The center is not only a tribute to the first president of Russia, it was conceived as a reflection of an era in the country's history, an era of radical change, important, complex and contradictory." Putin turned to the wife of the first president of the Russian Federation, Naina Yeltsin, stressing that she deserved the respect of millions of people.

How many efforts has the head of Russia V.V. made over the last two years? Putin, to bring Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donetsk, Lugansk and the whole of New Russia, pushed into the geopolitical abyss into the country? Devoted to Gorbachev, Yeltsin and other Judas people who are on their knees asking for Russia. If Lenin laid a mine, then what did the sappers do, and look to Western partners in their mouths? Heels erased, running for a political settlement of their own betrayal of Donbass.

Lenin’s criticism, however, was not accidental. The political, economic and social failures of the Russian elite, who are worried about one thing - the preservation of their positions, access to the budget and resources, and the lack of control of their rule are too obvious. Therefore, the ghost of communism in the person of Lenin was again released from the bottle of liberal oblivion in order to reveal another horror story for politically demoralized Russians brought to a state of psychosis.

The bankrupt political regime is looking for someone to blame its failure and immense guilt before Russia.
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  1. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 9 February 2016 09: 47
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    "A special commission of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation established that when signing the Belovezhskaya agreements:" BN Yeltsin went to gross violation of Articles 74–76 of the Constitution of the USSR "

    According to good Yeltsman, museums should not be arranged, but something else, much less pleasant and honorable ..
    1. Boos
      Boos 9 February 2016 09: 54
      +9
      Putin knows better what to arrange, the "cunning plan" apparently. Article plus.
      1. Temples
        Temples 9 February 2016 10: 11
        -17 qualifying.
        But for Lenin, the main thing was to save the country.

        Which country should I save ????????
        Russian empire?
        Kerensky began the collapse, Lenin continued.
        That one, that the second wanted to spit on the country and on people living in this country.
        From the ruins of the country rose under Stalin.
        But at what price !!!
        And why the heck were they going to ruin the country ???????

        Lies in the mausoleum and let it lie.

        But God must be thanked for the fact that the country has remained.
        And to thank God for giving us at the right time a strong ruler so that Russia does not fall apart.
        And we mobilize under a strong and strong-willed ruler.
        And remember who we are and in what country we live.
        And God willing, the current "democratic" way will not retire.
        They say "taxied", let another drive.
        This is not a machine.
        The fate of millions in his hands.
        To become a ruler in Russia is the Cross given by God to be carried.
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 9 February 2016 10: 22
          20
          Quote: Temples
          But for Lenin, the main thing was to save the country.

          Which country should I save ????????
          Russian empire?
          Kerensky began the collapse, Lenin continued.
          That one, that the second wanted to spit on the country and on people living in this country.

          Totally agree with you.
          It was Lenin who gave everyone independence, starting with the Finns and ending with the Poles.
          The situation with the GDP is another matter: having said the national-republican division of Russia by Lenin wrongly, it is necessary to say the administrative-provincial division by Stalin correctly. And here is a tongue and a sucker. Nobody forced him to build a memorial to Yeltsin either. What Yeltsin did in the country all survived. Someone is grateful to him.
          So the GDP concluded whose opinion is more important to him.
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 9 February 2016 10: 29
            -18 qualifying.
            It’s somehow interesting, in Kiev (2014) - the illegal seizure of power, the junta (I agree completely), and the seizure of power by Lenin in 1917 - the revolution (Great October)

            Moreover, the victims are millions of times more than in Ukraine, the collapse and destruction of Russia can not be compared with the collapse of Ukraine

            What is the greatness of Lenin? Is it in its destructive power?
            The Maidan leaders do not go to any comparison

            Stalin - he created, won, and Lenin?

            Only the whole history of the USSR was a symbol.

            And his "works" are a separate topic. laughing

            The author is a man from the past who hopefully never comes back

            Article - minus


            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 9 February 2016 10: 49
              16
              Quote: bulvas
              It’s somehow interesting, in Kiev (2014) - the illegal seizure of power, the junta (I agree completely), and the seizure of power by Lenin in 1917 - the revolution (Great October)

              Moreover, the victims are millions of times more than in Ukraine, the collapse and destruction of Russia can not be compared with the collapse of Ukraine

              What is the greatness of Lenin? Is it in its destructive power?
              The Maidan leaders do not go to any comparison

              Stalin - he created, won, and Lenin?


              " laughing

              Yes, Lenin unleashed the Red Terror and the Civil War.
              You have a respected heap. Great Oct social roar also was almost bloodless. This usually then requires the glorification of events. Then there was the Civil War, here came the blood.
              Is Ukraine a citizen? You are mistaken. The usual junta and terror and genocide on ethnic grounds.
              1. bulvas
                bulvas 9 February 2016 11: 14
                -15 qualifying.
                Quote: Mavrikiy

                Is Ukraine a citizen? You are mistaken. The usual junta and terror and genocide on ethnic grounds.


                What am I mistaken?

                What in Russia killed millions of times more people?
                What if "citizen" - can you justify those killed?

                Or is the Red Terror good, and any other bad?

                Explain if there is anything

                Quote: Mavrikiy
                You have a respected heap.


                This is all on the heap.

                It is about the consequences, not about individual phenomena.

                It was the communist ideologists who tried to "explain the essence of the revolutionary transformations" in the country.

                What these transformations led to is clear to everyone.


                1. Altona
                  Altona 9 February 2016 11: 42
                  10
                  Quote: bulvas
                  It was the communist ideologists who tried to "explain the essence of the revolutionary transformations" in the country.

                  --------------------
                  The communist ideologues in their ideology have become stagnant and hushed up the whole picture of events. And in general, what kind of "proletarian revolution" is in a country where the overwhelming majority are peasants? Delirium is complete. And there was no coup, the Bolsheviks simply took power that lay under their feet and began to build everything anew, this was already a revolution. In the fact that by picking up and putting together the remnants of the empire without Poland and Finland, it was possible to transform the state according to an industrial-agrarian type with a predominance of large-scale industry. And already in this a revolution took place. In the transition to a qualitatively different economic image of the state, bypassing the stage of capitalism in a full cycle. But at the turn of the century we were forced to dive back into capitalism.
                  1. Temples
                    Temples 9 February 2016 12: 47
                    +8
                    The comments show how very different our views are.
                    These are just our views on life.
                    Just opinions.
                    Nobody forces us at the moment to radically change something.

                    And imagine what happened after the abdication of Romanov !!!

                    All these Kerensky, Lenins, Trotsky pitted our grandfathers and great-grandfathers against each other.
                    Ruined everything that people lived for many, many years.
                    And ordinary people restored life in the country.
                    These "leaders" ate fucking honey and did not buzz during their experiments and the democratization of Russia.

                    Exception Joseph Vissarionovich.
                    The Lord saved Russia by giving it to us.
                    It was hard for our grandfathers, but they lifted the country from ruins.
                    And survived two wars in thirty years.
                    And they won the last one.

                    Stop experimenting.
                    Breaking does not build. Mind does not need much.
                    We have a big country and millions of opinions.
                    All revolutionaries need to be imprisoned.
                    There are foundations in society. That's why we call the foundations, as this is an established relationship.
                    It is impossible to please the freaks from behind the hillock to break our way.
                2. SveTok
                  SveTok 9 February 2016 12: 12
                  +4
                  If not for Lenin and Stalin, the whole of Russia and Europe would be under the German, and as for the spiritual figures, people like them are born once every thousand years and the rest of them are pygmies who have zero positive results, this applies to all aspects of society, education, healthcare, science, economics, space, culture.
                  1. Kite
                    Kite 9 February 2016 12: 57
                    -1
                    Quote: SveTok
                    If not for Lenin and Stalin, all of Russia and Europe would have been under the German,

                    - Would the Germans be? I'm not talking about nationality, I'm talking about their Reich.
                    World War I was just a two-stage 1MB and 2MB. Would there be a 2nd stage?
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                    2. RUSS
                      RUSS 9 February 2016 13: 27
                      -5
                      Quote: Kite
                      Quote: SveTok
                      If not for Lenin and Stalin, all of Russia and Europe would have been under the German,

                      - Would the Germans be? I'm not talking about nationality, I'm talking about their Reich.
                      World War I was just a two-stage 1MB and 2MB. Would there be a 2nd stage?

                      Until almost the 41st year, Germany and I were almost allies, their pilots studied with us, we helped them rebuild the same tank building industry, and on September 22, 1939, they all paraded with the Germans in Brest.
                      1. GRAY
                        GRAY 9 February 2016 14: 08
                        +4
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Until almost the 41st year, Germany and I were almost allies,

                        In Spain, they fought against them ...
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                      3. RUSS
                        RUSS 9 February 2016 14: 23
                        0
                        Quote: GRAY
                        In Spain, they fought against them ...

                        In Spain, they fought for the "republicans" in the civil war against Franco, and sometimes they encountered German flyers in the sky.
                      4. GRAY
                        GRAY 9 February 2016 14: 51
                        +3
                        Quote: RUSS
                        In Spain they fought for the "Republicans

                        Well, the Germans and Italians fought for the fascist rebels Franco and also, oddly enough, faced Soviet pilots in the sky. wink
                        In a telegram addressed to the Secretary General of the KPI X. Diaz, the text of which was transmitted by all the news agencies of Europe and America, I.V. Stalin wrote: “The working people of the Soviet Union do only their duty, rendering all possible assistance to the revolutionary masses of Spain. They are aware that the liberation of Spain from the yoke of the fascist reactionaries is not a private affair of the Spaniards, but a common affair of all progressive and progressive humanity. ”
                  2. Kite
                    Kite 9 February 2016 17: 09
                    0
                    Quote: RUSS
                    Until almost the 41st year, Germany and I were almost allies,

                    - you have a lot of inaccuracies. The Germans studied with us, but not long.
                    The question was about something else, this is if "if". There would be no Lenin, probably, as a source there would be no other revolutionaries, there would be no soil of turmoil, including among the elite, Russia would not have entered the war or would have been more united. Either the Germans would be quickly defeated, or they would become allies, and England would be deleted from the list of possible allies forever. Hitler would appear, who would have brought him up and where to lead again against Russia?
                    If "who" is more conceivable, then "where" is? In France again? No, in Poland? May be. But a world war would not have happened.
                  3. 16112014nk
                    16112014nk 9 February 2016 21: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Kite
                    on the other, it is if "if".

                    And if instead of Nicholas 2, weak-willed and soft-bodied, Constantine (either an old brother or an uncle) were strong-willed and decisive, all these "ifs" would not have existed. And Lenin would not be, and Stalin, and even Humpbacked with Yolkin and even more so.
                3. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 9 February 2016 19: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: RUSS
                  September 22, 1939 generally in one parade with the Germans marched in Brest.

                  Well, logically, you need to end the "criminal" Molotov-Ribentrop pact. Dear, what you call a parade was the surrender of the city. For an educational program, read the editorial of those years
                4. RUSS
                  RUSS 9 February 2016 21: 49
                  0
                  Quote: Corporal Valera
                  Dear, what you call a parade was the surrender of the city.

                  Not surrender, but transmission, but the parade was a fact and it is a fact.
                5. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 9 February 2016 23: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Not surrender, but transmission

                  What a precision! You would be so accurate in your wording.
                  Quote: RUSS
                  and that is a fact.

                  For whom? Here brigade commander Krivoshein, a direct participant in those events, says that there was no parade, but that the Germans solemnly marched, according to the agreement.
                  When you speak
                  in one parade with the Germans

                  then a number of questions arise for you. In this way, you want to show some kind of commonality between the Red Army and the Wehrmacht? What, if not a secret? What was the "parade" commemorating? Who was in command of the "parade"?
          2. rvRomanoff
            rvRomanoff 9 February 2016 16: 50
            0
            Do names like Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt say anything to you?
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 9 February 2016 12: 27
        13
        The worse things will be in the country, the more authorities will pour mud over the USSR, the revolution, Lenin, and Stalin.
        Provocation is a tried and tested means of counter-revolution ...
        But nowhere in the world did the bourgeoisie use this poisoned means
        as brazenly and limitlessly as in Russia.
        ("The band of provocations" vol. 3, page 241.)
        I.V. Stalin.


        To the author + and thanks for the active life position. soldier
      3. Per se.
        Per se. 9 February 2016 12: 32
        +5
        Quote: bulvas
        What am I mistaken?
        That it would have been better without the Bolsheviks. Russia got involved in the First World War, as it was dragged into the Entente, and it was dragged because Russia gained loans from the same French and British before the war. The First World War was inevitable, as the leader of capitalism had to be determined (the young and ambitious German capitalism challenged England's domination here). England, as it was already against ambitions for leadership in Napoleonic France, knocked together and played off, substituted others for itself, and, again, the shaves warmed up their hands, retained and increased their leadership in capitalism. As a result, I will say it again, four main European empires collapsed, the German, Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman and Russian. Our tsar abdicates the throne at the most crucial moment of the war, his brother also, having put on the red bow of the February Revolution, there is unrest and unrest in the country. If it weren't for the Bolsheviks, the Yeltsins, Gaidars and Chubais would have pissed off Russia already in 1917, fell under the West (England and the United States), and they did not need a strong Russia, neither with a tsar, nor without a tsar. If after 1991 the West began to ruin Russia, which had the legacy of the Soviet space and nuclear superpower (the merit of socialism and the communists beyond the control of the West), then in 1917 it was a semi-literate and war-worn country, with a bunch of debts and general confusion. Think about it. It is good to dream about "graffiti" and the crunch of "French roll", but no superpower, stayed Kerensky, or similar Western ass licking, Russia would never have, would have destroyed the country, and many more people would have died. As for Vladimir Vladimirovich, perhaps if Lenin did not always say and did what he wanted now and immediately, perhaps Putin has to put up with something for the time being, the same voloshin and others who turned the country under Yeltsin have not gone anywhere. At least one would like to believe that there are no former KGB officers and former communists.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 9 February 2016 12: 39
          +2
          Put you +
          Quote: Per se.
          Putin may have to put up with something for the time being, the same hairs and others who twisted the country under Yeltsin have not yet gone anywhere. At least, I want to believe that there are no former KGB officers and former communists.

          but how could you? request
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 9 February 2016 14: 10
            +4
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            but how could you?
            It's not evening yet, Genosse, who knows ... I will not say that I am a complete fatalist, but I had to go through the new bourgeoisie, otherwise in the Union they lost faith in socialism, they were led on chewing gum and jeans, they believed in "democracy" in the United States. Now there is something to compare with, and what the United States is is already clear. There was Gorbachev, Yeltsin, now Putin. All in good time, only this time and health of Russia would be enough for all these universal experiments. We are in an alien pole of power, in capitalism, and no multipolar world will work out as long as we play by someone else's rules, in a foreign system, under the already determined leader-master of the world capitalist system, which the Anglo-Saxons have become. Our godfathers-oligarchs will not get the Anglo-Saxon brothers-ghouls to share power with them, which means that either we will have to lie down, like the whole bourgeois world, under London and Washington, or again return to an independent system, to socialism. If Russia were destined to die, some Navalny or Kasyanov would come to power instead of Putin. He did not come, therefore, while it remains to wait, and hope that our president, after all, is a real colonel. Well, or when someone comes who will create a true multipolar world, revive a renewed Union, and save civilization from Anglo-Saxon Sodom and Gomorrah.
        2. dauria
          dauria 9 February 2016 21: 03
          +3
          At least, I want to believe that there are no former KGB officers and former communists.


          Are you talking about Kalugin? Is he still a communist and a KGB man? smile The KGB in Putin’s biography is rather a minor touch than the profession. And it’s a stretch to call a military man ... Actually, the move is a win-win, he’s a scout, you shouldn’t know, but he’s cool smile Is it true? That is, we will wait for years .... and how will he become the leader of the proletariat, revealing his communist nature?
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 9 February 2016 22: 04
            +1
            Quote: dauria
            That is, let’s wait for years .... and how will he become the leader of the proletariat, revealing its communist essence?

            There were real alternatives to Boris, when on New Year's Eve he "abdicated", like, I'm leaving, and, forgive the Orthodox people? I am not a fan of Putin, and, perhaps, against the background of Yeltsin, anyone will seem like a genius, but GDP is far from the worst option for Russia, for the pit where the power had fallen by that time of friendship with America, and national shame from the supreme drunkard. Whom do you suggest, our Gennady Andreyevich? Such, however, the feeling that he does not really need real power, all this hemorrhoids that he will have to feel. Yes, the bourgeoisie are in power, but the NEP was needed for its time. The States themselves pushed us away, and the confrontation with the West, their world transnational capitalist system will only intensify. Our oligarchs will not be able to build a kind of "parallel capitalism" outside the general capitalist system without getting involved in a confrontation with their people, if they wish to become like racketeers from the state, in extracting taxes. This will be a war for the oligarchs on two fronts, which they cannot master, and, moreover, they cannot master and win the primacy over the capitalists, becoming leaders instead of the United States and England. There is no alternative to socialism if Russia is to survive as a great state. There will be a grandiose nix with the Turks and Bandera, or something else, probably a lot will become clear. Putin or another, but there is a leader for a new Russia, a renewed Union.
            1. dauria
              dauria 9 February 2016 23: 01
              +5
              I’m not a fan of Putin, and maybe, against the background of Yeltsin, anyone will seem like a genius,


              You know, in my opinion your mistake is that you didn’t notice everything that was done in Russia after Yeltsin is needed by the ruling elite. Putin is just a screen here. The shooting and the mess of the 90s, the sharing is over, do you need to establish a strict order and use power, do you? It is necessary. It is necessary to throw out the insolent foreign companies and grow rich by ourselves. Is it necessary? It is necessary. To expel from the clan the disobedient (actually pursuing the interests of the West) Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky also need.
              So what did the GDP do (and could it have done) that would be like a bone in the throat of the oligarchs? Ah, the social sphere ... The cattle in the village must be fed. For 15 years, he simply contributed to the strengthening of oligarchic capitalism in Russia, stretched out the time and actually ruined the possibility of a return to socialism. Everything, the old man has died out. And the youth have already been "brought up". Amen. Socialism now wait according to Marx - "will smoothly grow simultaneously in the most developed countries" smile By the way, he did not rank Russia among them.
            2. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 10 February 2016 00: 00
              +1
              Quote: dauria
              It’s just that over the course of 15 years, it has contributed to the strengthening of oligarchic capitalism in Russia, extended the time and actually ruined the possibility of a return to socialism.

              Well said, Comrade! good
              But I am really full of optimism regarding the revival of socialism in Russia.
              I was pleasantly surprised by the recent meeting with young people of 25-30 years of age and their clear understanding of hu hu hu.
    2. Altona
      Altona 9 February 2016 14: 50
      +1
      Quote: bulvas
      What if "citizen" - can you justify those killed?

      -------------------------------------------------- ----
      Your words to the ears of today's Ukrainian leaders. They very confidently pour gasoline into the fire of the civil war both by military actions and by "acts of decommunization", and by the rehabilitation of "Ukrainian patriots" represented by the UPA.
    3. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 9 February 2016 16: 41
      +3
      Quote: bulvas
      What these transformations led to is clear to everyone.

      Well, if you rely on facts led to a lot ...
      Towards the construction of the most just society in the history of mankind.
      Towards an economic breakthrough from an illiterate agrarian country to a great powerful state.
      To the Great Victory over the possessed Europe.
      To fly into space.
      To mass and affordable education for the population.

      Well, it is easy to compare with the "achievements" of the return to feudal capitalism ...
      The destruction of millions of people in peacetime.
      The collapse and continued degradation of the economy.
      The loss of vast territories of the State.
      Loss of respect from enemies and "friends".
      The actual defeat in space, which left us with the role of cab drivers.
      The collapse of the army and navy.
      The collapse of enterprises.
      The collapse of the education system.
      The collapse of affordable medicine.
      Theft of natural resources by oligarchs and the withdrawal of money abroad.
      Systematic obiralovo population under different schemes.
      Inaccessible housing.
      Solid enemies of the people in the leadership of the country, recently not even hiding their fabulous incomes.

      One tiny example!
      Where does the new wife of Peskov (Navka) come from with these riches, which she boasts about stupidity on the Internet. No need to do stupid people directly ...

      So, only individuals who are afraid that they will have to give an account to the people about their "labor activity and the great talent of making money out of thin air" can shit on Lenin and Stalin.
    4. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 10 February 2016 17: 57
      0
      "It was the communist ideologists who tried to" explain the essence of the revolutionary transformations "in the country. It is clear to everyone what these transformations led to."

      Yes, yes it is clear to everyone, and to me and you. Take it easy.
  • kit_bellew
    kit_bellew 9 February 2016 11: 28
    17
    It’s somehow interesting, in Kiev (2014) - the illegal seizure of power, the junta (I agree completely), and the seizure of power by Lenin in 1917 - the revolution (Great October)

    The revolution is, first of all, the change of the system, in this particular case (1917) - from the "bourgeois-democratic" to the socialist. The fact that the capture of the Winter Palace took place, as we now know, is bloodless - this, in my opinion, is a plus, not a minus. Let us compare at least with the Great (!) French Revolution, when the rivers overflowed the banks from the corpses dumped there.

    In Kiev, one handful of oligarchs threw out another handful of oligarchs, and the political system - the oligarchic "democracy" - remained unchanged.
  • Altona
    Altona 9 February 2016 11: 36
    14
    Quote: bulvas
    Moreover, the victims are millions of times more than in Ukraine, the collapse and destruction of Russia can not be compared with the collapse of Ukraine

    What is the greatness of Lenin? Is it in its destructive power?
    The Maidan leaders do not go to any comparison

    -----------------------
    In general, the collapse of the country did not begin with Lenin, the collapse of the country was begun with the removal of the tsar from power by his close associates, who forced him to sign the abdication. Then the dismantling of all power structures began, and this was done not by the Bolsheviks, but by constitutional democrats and anarchists, liberals of all stripes. And even with the seizure of power in October 1917, the majority in the Soviets was again not with the Bolsheviks, but with the Socialist Revolutionaries (Socialist Revolutionaries). That's the kind of hitch. And when the central authority is dismantled, then the power of the governors in the national suburbs evaporates right there. And if in the course of the civil war the internal Russian revolt was suppressed relatively quickly, for about three years, then the Basmachi and the abreks were chased until the mid-30s.
  • revnagan
    revnagan 9 February 2016 12: 01
    11
    Quote: bulvas
    It’s somehow interesting, in Kiev (2014) - the illegal seizure of power, the junta (I agree completely), and the seizure of power by Lenin in 1917 - the revolution (Great October)

    Oh, how everything is neglected. The revolution in 1917 because it changed the social system in the state to a more progressive one. Power passed from the capitalists to the people. The "junta" in Kiev because through an armed coup by the forces of radicals, power passed from one political clan to another. The social system in Ukraine has NOT CHANGED. Just instead of some oligarchs, others came. Is it understandable? And with Lenin's coming to power Russia was not collapsed. Russia was collapsed ALREADY BY LENIN'S ARRIVAL. And with the power of the Bolsheviks Russia had a unique chance. to strengthen, Lenin was forced to temporarily (TEMPORARY!) sacrifice part of the territory. Stalin simply continued Lenin's strategy, returning his own as the power of Russia grew, brilliantly ending the game started by Lenin.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 9 February 2016 12: 25
    +7
    It’s somehow interesting, in Kiev (2014) - the illegal seizure of power, the junta (I agree completely), and the seizure of power by Lenin in 1917 - the revolution (Great October)


    Quotes from Wikipedia to make you comfortable.

    Revolution (from the late Lat. Revolutio - turn, coup, transformation, conversion) - a radical, radical, profound, qualitative change, a leap in the development of society, nature or knowledge, coupled open gap with previous state.


    A coup d'etat is a change of power in a state that is necessarily carried out in violation of the current constitutional and legal norms [1], usually using force to seize state control centers and physically isolate (sometimes arrest or kill) its current leaders [2].

    Etymologically, a “coup” is the same as revolution: lat. revolutio - turn, flip [3]. However, in political history the concept of “revolution” is applied to large-scale and long-term processes (“a profound qualitative change in the development of any phenomena of nature, society or knowledge” [3]), while the “coup” applies itself to the event of a change of power, the consequences of which are not necessarily revolutionary in scope


    That is, the revolution changes the whole state of society, and a revolution only personalizes the elite.
    It was precisely a coup in Kiev, since the oligarchs both remained and remained in power, just as capitalism was and remained.
    In October 1917, there was a change in the state, economic and social structure of Russian society.

    Moreover, the victims are millions of times more than in Ukraine, the collapse and destruction of Russia can not be compared with the collapse of Ukraine


    Well, about a million times, let's say, they are bent. In Ukraine, the account of victims goes to tens of thousands. Do you think billions died during VOSR and GV? However, of course, the scale of the victims is not comparable, well, the scale of the cataclysm in Ukraine is not compatible. A smaller population, a smaller area is susceptible to military action, there is no foreign intervention.

    And his "works" are a separate topic. laughing


    Where did you print it yourself? Output, if possible. I would like to get acquainted with the thinker who puts himself above VIL.

    Article - minus


    And you too.
  • Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 9 February 2016 12: 38
    +1
    If I remember correctly, the difference between the coup and the revolution is that the political system is changing. From autocracy to communism, from communism to capitalism.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 February 2016 17: 34
    0
    "Somehow interesting, in Kiev (2014) - an illegal seizure of power, the junta (I completely agree), and the seizure of power by Lenin in 1917 - a revolution (Great October)"

    Well, let's spell, I see a truant at school.
    1. The seizure of power, as you think, by Lenin in 1917, for another 10 years was called both a revolution and a coup in our country. In the works of Stalin, "Coup" occurs until the end of the 40s. Abroad it was considered a coup.
    2. In Kiev-only our junta, and they-a revolution of dignity and so on. Do not worry, 10 years will pass and there is such a name from the bangs that "we never dreamed of."
    3. Do you want us to jump for joy: in Ukraine - a revolution? Equated? They will not ask us, they will not equate, but will exalt theirs.
    4. What's so complicated?
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  • revnagan
    revnagan 9 February 2016 11: 53
    +5
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    It was Lenin who gave everyone independence, starting with the Finns and ending with the Poles.
    fool
    And it's okay that they took it on their own? Despite the fact that neither the Finns nor the Poles ever considered themselves part of the Russian state. Finland in Russia was autonomous. The Finns did not serve in the army, the Finns had their own laws and currency, their own parliament The problem with the Poles is also not easy. Russia HAD to annex part of Poland, only so that this part would not be annexed by the Germans. When Poland was re-created as a state by France and England, naturally, the "Russian" part of Poland joined it. But most importantly, Russia at that time simply physically could not prevent the "parade of sovereignty" of its national outskirts. For from February 1917, the "chief persuading" Kerensky by October destroyed everything he could: there was no army, no finances. Well, what was left for the Bolshevik government to do? Who would reckon with them in such conditions? Could it have been screaming about "one, indivisible" a hundred times, but what's the point? The power in the center was simply confronted with the fact that the to secede from the metropolis, and separated. Whether someone likes it or not. Point. You can return it, return. And after all, they returned. What they thought was necessary. Then, when they gathered their strength. But Finland and Poland did not count as their own. And thank God, Galicians alone were enough with their heads.
  • tomket
    tomket 9 February 2016 12: 21
    +5
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    It was Lenin who gave everyone independence, starting with the Finns and ending with the Poles.

    But Finns and Poles seem to have little interest in Lenin’s opinion. and Lenin only stated a fact. By the way, Tukhachevsky’s campaign to Warsaw, what do you think is the attempt to return Poland to the empire? However, what was called desire was, but there is no strength. Where fragments could be returned, returned. For example, nobody let go of Crimea in freestyle swimming, although in theory the Crimea should have become independent, like Poland and Finland.
  • Kite
    Kite 9 February 2016 12: 50
    0
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    I must say the administrative-provincial division of Stalin correctly

    - I probably missed a history lesson when they talked about changing the union treaty under Stalin. what
    And when did the national republics and autonomies appear again? wink
  • Boos
    Boos 9 February 2016 10: 30
    +9
    Someone became a ruler, but someone did Yeltsin! Is the difference clear? And you about God and the cross with a minor ...
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 9 February 2016 10: 36
      -12 qualifying.
      someone made a ruler of English and German money
      1. Stalnov I.P.
        Stalnov I.P. 9 February 2016 11: 02
        12
        Are you talking about Yeltsin?
      2. mihasik
        mihasik 9 February 2016 11: 29
        +4
        Quote: ivshubarin
        someone made a ruler of English and German money

        And then he (Lenin) used this money against his own sponsors, to organize a revolution in Germany for the victory of the World International. Note, not just anywhere, namely in Germany, with which the Soviet government signed the shameful Brest Peace. So whose, "sent Cossack"?)
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 9 February 2016 13: 16
          -1
          In Germany, the revolution in the same scenario was made by the British. Lenin hand in hand led to power in this all his genius as a good performer. In penal servitude, one Stalin puffed out while the rest of the Leninists booed abroad. No wonder Koba did not forget this in the year 39 on whose money and why the revolution was being made. To destroy the army, to drown the fleet, to divide into republics, everything was done perfectly by Lenin. Paid with sponsors gold locomotives and distribution of mines.
        2. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 9 February 2016 20: 09
          +1
          Quote: mihasik
          And then he (Lenin) used this money against his own sponsors to organize a revolution in Germany

          But what can I say, the agent was very "valuable"! Immediately after coming to power, with German money, in 48 hours he nationalized German enterprises! The Hans did not even have time to click their beak. And the British did not recognize "their agent" until his death. Miracles and nothing more.
      3. Altona
        Altona 9 February 2016 11: 48
        +4
        Quote: ivshubarin
        someone made a ruler of English and German money

        -----------------------
        Well, then Gorbachov, then Chancellor Kohl, received more than 140 million marks and nothing, he was tying port in supermarkets in Germany.
    2. Baikonur
      Baikonur 9 February 2016 11: 57
      +1
      Quote: Boos
      Someone became a ruler, but someone did Yeltsin! Is the difference clear? And you about God and the cross with a minor ...

      Why do you think that Yeltsin put Putin ?! Laughter and more!
      Rather, Putin came to Yeltsin and explained what was happening. And he said - go away beautifully, I know how to steer and I will steer, and I guarantee you immunity! So he BECAME a ruler! Quiet, peaceful! Very wise!
      1. Boos
        Boos 9 February 2016 12: 09
        +3
        Medvedev also came to Putin? Quiet, beautiful, wise ... And then again Putin to Medvev? You just described "The exploit of the scout" ...)))
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 9 February 2016 12: 13
          +2
          Quote: Boos
          You just described "The exploit of the scout" ...)))

          to whom that dream))) laughing
        2. oborzevatel
          oborzevatel 9 February 2016 12: 26
          -1
          Quote: Boos
          Medvedev also came to Putin? Quiet, beautiful, wise ... And then again Putin to Medvev? You just described "The exploit of the scout" ...)))

          He probably stood nearby ...
          So to speak, "Privy Counselor of the Leader" ...
          What to do, there is - the influence of spice and denatured alcohol, IMHO ...
        3. Baikonur
          Baikonur 9 February 2016 12: 28
          +2
          Medvedev also came to Putin? Quiet, beautiful, wise ... And then again Putin to Medvev? You just described "The exploit of the scout" ...)))

          I explain for those who are on an armored train with armored personnel carriers: Yeltsin at that time was a political and physical half-corpse! Anyone who slammed him would be held in high esteem by the people! Putin saw (like everyone else) that the country turned into J. And he had both opportunities and an idea of ​​what to do!

          He set Medvedev, because for the 3rd term - it is impossible !!!

          What else needs to be explained ???
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 9 February 2016 12: 30
            +4
            Quote: Baikonur
            Yeltsin was a political corpse by then!

            And who was Putin by then? wink
            1. Boos
              Boos 9 February 2016 12: 35
              -4
              Another Frankenstein.
              1. Baikonur
                Baikonur 9 February 2016 12: 38
                -2
                Ha Ha Ha! Laughing Jokesmen Gathered! Not burdened, so to speak ...
                Gee-gee-gee!
                1. oborzevatel
                  oborzevatel 9 February 2016 12: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: Baikonur
                  Not burdened, so to speak ...
                  Gee-gee-gee!

                  Where are we, flawed, before you, admitted, so to speak, to the highest body ...
                  We are - so, at the stable we gain more by overworking our daily bread making ... crying
              2. oborzevatel
                oborzevatel 9 February 2016 12: 41
                +2
                Quote: Boos
                Another Frankenstein.

                And who is Frankenstein?
                Ahh, remembered:
                Man and ship

                Sarcasm, if anyone did not understand.
          2. oborzevatel
            oborzevatel 9 February 2016 12: 39
            -2
            Quote: Baikonur
            Yeltsin at that time was a political and physical half-corpse! Anyone who slammed him would be held in high esteem by the people!

            And what prevented you from realizing this plan?
            Would be held in high esteem among the people ...
            Probably innate modesty ... repeat
          3. mihasik
            mihasik 9 February 2016 13: 53
            +4
            Quote: Baikonur
            Putin saw (like everyone else) that the country turned into J. And he had both opportunities and an idea of ​​what to do! What else needs to be explained ???

            Does he have one? You just made Putin a superman. A country from world practice is ruled not by one person, but by the elite. They also "appoint" the next chosen one, and the people only "confirm" the choice, as a result of a well-conducted PR campaign. And usually they do not "shine" for the public in search of "applause". In the case of Putin, it was a good choice of the elites, who also supported the people.
            Or do you truly believe in "the triumph of democracy"?)
      2. tomket
        tomket 9 February 2016 12: 27
        +2
        Quote: Baikonur
        Why do you think that Yeltsin put Putin ?! Laughter and more!
        Rather, Putin came to Yeltsin and explained what was happening. And he said - go away beautifully, I know how to steer and I will steer, and I guarantee you immunity! So he BECAME a ruler! Quiet, peaceful! Very wise!

        There is a story that when Yeltsin's entourage persuaded him to resign, literally at the last moment Yeltsin sobered up a little and kicked: - So I'm leaving, and he will be there instead of me? Nah ..... So I'm there, and he will be in the Kremlin instead of me? Then the encircled people came running: -Boris Nikolayevich, what are you, you just rest a little, gain strength, and then he will immediately give up his place to you ..... You should roughly understand that by the end Yeltsin was already completely "no" in terms of common sense.
      3. Altona
        Altona 9 February 2016 15: 32
        +2
        Quote: Baikonur
        Rather, Putin came to Yeltsin and explained what was happening. And he said - go away beautifully, I know how to steer and I will steer, and I guarantee you immunity! So he BECAME a ruler! Quiet, peaceful! Very wise!

        --------------------------
        Not certainly in that way. The ever-memorable Boris Berezovsky came to Yeltsin, maybe not himself, we could send someone. But on behalf of Berezovsky, it was announced that we have a "normal kid" - Vladimir Putin, and the consensus at the top decided to make him the Acting President of the Russian Federation, since your resource, grandfather, is no longer there, and in general, it's time to know the honor. Well, then what happened happened. And so that grandfather did not argue, he was given guarantees of the inviolability of his and his family's privileges and the "consensus from above" demanded to consolidate his status quo, just in case. Well, since the GDP is an officer, he can see the "officer's word" given to the "consensus of equidistant oligarchs" holds.
    3. Shm
      Shm 9 February 2016 14: 45
      0
      Well said
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 9 February 2016 10: 34
    11
    that is, GOELRO and so on, does not count? fool
    And why the heck were they going to ruin the country ???????
    Is this a question for Hitler?
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 9 February 2016 10: 34
    0
    I agree completely. If Stalin did not appear from the shadow of history, the world revolution would be stoked by the Russians
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 9 February 2016 11: 45
      0
      Quote: ivshubarin
      If Stalin did not appear from the shadow of history, the world revolution would be stoked by the Russians

      And they (the Russians were not drowned) under Stalin? The only difference is that no one stole the efficiency of the "burnt out Russians" (because they were shot at once), but directed it to the benefit and development of the young Soviet state. By the way, who there destroyed the first true revolutionaries, Lenin's comrades-in-arms? At the expense of Lenin. Whose ideology was dominant in the policy of the party and the same Stalin? Not Lenin?)
      And to clarify the political correctness of disputes about the identities of revolutionary leaders, read the pre-revolutionary biography of Dzhugashvili (later Stalin).
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 9 February 2016 12: 03
    +4
    Quote: Temples
    That one, that the second wanted to spit on the country and on people living in this country.

    Yeah, apparently the "sovereign passion-bearer" worried about the country and the people to the utmost. Especially for the people, who were regularly shot by the tsarist army.
  • Geronimo73
    Geronimo73 9 February 2016 13: 29
    0
    no one hinted to you that there is no god?
    Stalin was a continuation of the cause of Lenin, one of the most loyal followers. No need to grind rubbish here.
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  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 9 February 2016 10: 30
    -10 qualifying.
    Quote: Boos
    Putin knows better what to arrange, the "cunning plan" apparently. Article plus.

    Putin (like me, a sinner) - lives TODAY.

    You, see (as the author of the article) - live YESTERDAY.

    The article is a bold minus. Since the article is about the well-known, and therefore about nothing. "Prophetic Oleg" wanted to earn money for cigarettes. Has earned. My applause negative
    1. Boos
      Boos 9 February 2016 10: 51
      +3
      "Rotenbergs" - Putin's friends, according to your logic, live in "Tomorrow"? Putin gave them Russia at the mercy.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 9 February 2016 11: 24
        -2
        Quote: Boos
        "Rotenbergs" - Putin's friends, according to your logic, live in "Tomorrow"? Putin gave them Russia at the mercy.

        You - maybe he gave it .. me - that's definitely not .. feel the difference ..

        "If you have paranoia, this does not mean that you are not being watched" (c)

        PS: How did you get tired .. you are our vigilant .. (mat)
        1. Boos
          Boos 9 February 2016 11: 41
          -2
          I think that soon you will feel a foreign object in the aisle ... When the people understand that such bells and their slaves fooled and fool ...))) Although this is in the order of things for common democrats ...
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 9 February 2016 12: 29
            +2
            Quote: Boos
            I think that soon you will feel a foreign object in the aisle

            You have a rich imagination, however good

            Quote: Boos
            When the people will understand that his ears and their lackeys fooled and fooled

            About "such" - in more detail, if it's not difficult. I do not consider myself to be "such", if that.

            Quote: Boos
            single democrats

            I’ve been living here for a long time, I’m used to a lot of things .. but I don’t tolerate rudeness .. Consider it, you got it in the snout .. but I understand you correctly or not - it doesn’t matter anymore .. already got it, heal request
            1. Boos
              Boos 9 February 2016 13: 00
              -4
              Rudeness is your hobbyhorse, and your virtual blows are funny to me, wipe it off ...)))
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 9 February 2016 13: 06
                +1
                Quote: Boos
                Rudeness is your hobby

                Examples in the studio

                Quote: Boos
                your virtual punches are funny to me, rub yourself down

                Yes, it’s exactly for me .. to mess, then otmazyvatsya .. see what for ..

                Go in peace ..
                1. Boos
                  Boos 9 February 2016 14: 09
                  -3
                  Entering into a discussion, decent people do not become personal, but you "fighters of the sofa front" do not know this. You only have access to the rapture of the phrases "soak in the toilet", "teach your wife to cook cabbage soup" and other small-criminal-level pearls. Go yourself ...
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 9 February 2016 14: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Boos
                    I think that soon you will feel a foreign object in the aisle

                    It wasn’t me who said it, you said it ..

                    Quote: Boos
                    You only have access to the rapture of the phrases "wet in the toilet", "teach your wife to cook cabbage soup" and other pearls of the small-criminal level

                    This is not what I said ..

                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Go in peace

                    Quote: Boos
                    Go yourself ...

                    Feel the difference .. and stop making people laugh already ..

                    Sorry for you .. but I can't help you yet - "I have a runny nose" (c)
    2. rvRomanoff
      rvRomanoff 9 February 2016 12: 00
      +3
      And what about the author? The author only once again confirmed the well-known expression: "Whoever shoots at the past with a pistol, the future will shoot at him from a cannon." As A.A. Zinoviev wrote, Russia had a choice - to live or die, and the Bolsheviks in that situation had no choice.
  • SergeyA
    SergeyA 9 February 2016 09: 55
    +1
    Now URYakalki with paper epaulettes of the Marshal will attack and begin to actively launder the guarantor.
    1. Vend
      Vend 9 February 2016 10: 08
      +6
      And where was this bomb located?
      The bomb was laid in the unity of Russia. Separation by nationality.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 9 February 2016 12: 29
        -1
        The bomb was laid in the unity of Russia. Separation by nationality.


        Then I have a question, but who planted the "bomb" under the Russian Federation? After all, we also have national republics. Tatarstan, Sakha Yakutia, Miriy-El, etc. What is the difference between VIL and EBN and VVP itself, which has been in power for 16 years, but still will not go over to the provincial division of the federation.
        By the way, the presence of states and the absence of republics in the USA did not prevent m from organizing a civil war. And if the Confederates would have won the victory ...
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 9 February 2016 12: 42
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          After all, we also have national republics. Tatarstan, Sakha Yakutia, Miriy-El

          These republics are not "union", but autonomous and they have no more rights than regions, territories and districts.
          And for reference, all these Tatarstan and Chuvashia, etc., are all the heritage of the Bolsheviks.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 9 February 2016 15: 55
            0
            These republics are not "union", but autonomous and they have no more rights than regions, territories and districts.
            And for reference, all these Tatarstan and Chuvashia, etc., are all the heritage of the Bolsheviks.


            Come on?

            The economic zoning of Russia consists of three main links (taxonomic units): the highest link - large economic regions; middle-level districts - territories, regions, republics; grass-roots areas - administrative-economic areas, urban and rural areas.

            The highest level of zoning consists of large economic regions that are used by the central republican authorities. The purpose of this use is nationwide economic management in a territorial context. Large economic regions are relatively ready-made territorial economic complexes that have a distinct specialization (approximately 5 — 7 industries).


            The middle link of zoning is used to manage some sectors of the economy within the boundaries of a region, territory, republic. Regional areas have their own economic characteristics. A certain form of integrated development of regions, the location of agricultural areas around industrial centers determine the leading place of the city.


            Republics, unlike territories and regions, are national-state formations, that is, a form of statehood of one or another people (peoples) within Russia. Unlike other subjects of the federation, republics adopt their own constitutions and have the right to establish their own state languages.
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            2. RUSS
              RUSS 9 February 2016 16: 57
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              Come on?

              Well, that’s okay, from Soviet times autonomy appeared in the RSFSR from Karelia to Dagestan, from Tataria to Tuva.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 10 February 2016 05: 35
                0
                So kir prevents something to cancel them?
          2. Freeman
            Freeman 10 February 2016 01: 44
            0
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: alicante11
            After all, we also have national republics. Tatarstan, Sakha Yakutia, Miriy-El
            These republics are not "union", but autonomous and they have no more rights than regions, territories and districts.


            Then I agree with you.

            Quote: RUSS
            And for reference, all these Tatarstan and Chuvashia, etc., are all the heritage of the Bolsheviks.


            Oh, how do you like it?
            - The full title of the emperor at the beginning of the 37th century (Article XNUMX of the main Zak.):

            By God's mercy, We, ΝΝ, Emperor and Autocrat of All-Russian, Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod; King of Kazan, King of Astrakhan, King of Poland, King of Siberia, King of Tauric Chersonis, King of Georgia; Sovereign Pskov and Grand Prince Smolensky, Lithuanian, Volyn, Podolsky and Finland; Prince of Estonia, Livonia, Courland and Semigalsky, Samogitsky, Bialystok, Korelsky, Tversky, Ugra, Perm, Vyatka, Bulgarian and others; Sovereign and Grand Prince of Novgorod in the lower lands, Chernigov, Ryazan, Polotsk, Rostov, Yaroslavl, Belozersky, Udora, Obdorsky, Kondi, Vitebsk, Mstislav and all the northern countries and the Sovereign of Iversky, Kartalinsky and Kabardinsky lands and regions of Armenians; Cherkasy and Mountain Princes and other Crown Sovereign and Possessor; Sovereign of Turkestan; Heir to the Norwegian, Duke of Schleswig-Holstinsky, Stormarn, Ditmarsensky and Oldenburgsky and other, and other, and other.


            Don't you think that after the "loss of the legitimate sovereign" any of these territories "theoretically" could claim to be "independent"?
            What Finland did, and then Poland and the Baltic states (after the withdrawal of the occupying German troops). And we do not forget the attempt of Transcaucasia.
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        3. Cat man null
          Cat man null 9 February 2016 13: 58
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          who has been in power for 16 years, but still will not go over to the provincial division of the federation

          There is such a good rule - "do not touch working system ".
          1. atalef
            atalef 9 February 2016 14: 06
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            There is a good rule of thumb - "don't touch a running system."

            Work
            in the work formula, one of the components is the translational motion \
            that in the system (state, in general, is the GDP)
            with a fall in GDP, the progressive movement is negative, which gives us
            Negative value in the Work laughing
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 9 February 2016 14: 12
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              .

              Damn ... Alexander .. "you are a quarter of ours" (c) Vysotsky laughing

              This was about a joke, finally:

              The son - to the programmer: "Dad, why does the Sun rise in the east and sets in the west?"
              Dad (awake): son, and what - is it always like that?
              Son: yes ...
              Dad (yawning): "Son ... don't touch the working system."


              And you there about some physics, chemistry .. wink
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              2. atalef
                atalef 9 February 2016 14: 15
                +2
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Damn ... Alexander .. "you are a quarter of ours" (c) Vysotsky

                It depends on which part wink
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                This was about a joke, finally:

                Sorry, did not catch up request
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 9 February 2016 15: 56
            0
            There is a good rule of thumb - "don't touch a running system."


            So you are talking about the dangers of the republican division. So we will wait until the "work" is closed? Will it not be too late, as with the USSR?
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 9 February 2016 10: 12
      +1


      Now URYakalki with paper epaulettes of the Marshal will attack and begin to actively launder the guarantor.


      Whiten this person with a video? Throw it) Your dust on it is not even visible

      I think a couple of hand movements are enough for him to leave no trace of her.

      And if you tolerate Putin - you tolerate and tolerate his "mnogohovochki" - and on the forum you write and write about it and it seems like this is not all a hooray patriot, but so smart and in a white coat - but you still tolerate the presence of a tyrant - then I don't even know how to name such people. Probably patient)

      How long will you endure collecting likes under posts about the darkest?) And yes, exactly, you are Russian oppositionists! This is your standard state - endure and ... endure)

      It is necessary for our opposition to release a book under your (and other respected Gozman and Khakamad) signature - My Struggle


      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 9 February 2016 10: 27
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        well, minus it will definitely help in the fight against the darkest and his followers laughing

        I love our Russian opposition. Funny characters. The main thing is so much intelligence and competence in all matters that you wonder. Economics, industrial production, geopolitics - aces of the flight of thought

        Well, nothing, okay, I will not distract you, there is still a lot of struggle ahead of you. Patience to you, patient laughing

        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 9 February 2016 10: 49
          -3
          forgot the word derivative of endure. about people who suffer

          laughing
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 9 February 2016 12: 48
          0
          Quote: c-Petrov
          Well, nothing, okay, I will not distract you, there is still a lot of struggle ahead of you. Patience to you, patient laughing

          ... Do not want to fight? Dumb? ...
          Tip: shed (those)! go to hell!
          Here is your ticket, here is your carriage
          Everything at its best is given to you alone ....

          ... Earth platform. Cheer up
          And do not scream. For our cries, he is deaf.
          One of us went to heaven
          He will meet God - after all, there is probably a god.
          You say hello to him
          And if you forget - nothing, survive.
          We have a few years left
          We will joke and, as expected, die.

          ... God forbid that war,
          And then we will leave great-grandchildren in the fools.

          (Vladimir Semenovich, poet unforgettable memory)
    3. V.ic
      V.ic 9 February 2016 10: 24
      +4
      Quote: SergeyA
      Now URYAKalki with paper epaulettes of the Marshal will attack and begin actively

      Dear, this slogan has already litter pretty am this resource. As soon as the "political" material is published, another bully "nostradamus". If this cliché has sunk into your subcortex so much, then I give a hint: patent the keywords of your phrase and take advantage of the priority to the fullest. lol
    4. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 10: 36
      11
      Quote: SergeyA
      Now URYakalki with paper epaulettes of the Marshal will attack and begin to actively launder the guarantor.

      I am not an uryakalka (albeit with paper shoulder straps), but the "guarantor" in relation to Lenin is really right. It was Lenin who created the prerequisites for the collapse of the country in the future, by federalizing the empire. After all, this is precisely why we all actively support the politicians of Ukraine who advocate its federalization. It is federalization (especially on the national republics) that is the Achilles' heel of ANY state. VVP seems to be rightly accusing Lenin, but it does nothing to rectify the situation. There are many examples - even Yakutia, where, with a quantitative preponderance of Russians, only Yakuts are accepted into all power structures. I am generally silent about the presence of several presidents in the country.
      Previously, we had the Terek region, with the overwhelming number of the Russian population, and now the proud republic of Chechnya, with 2 percent of the Russians. The world there rests only on subsidies from Moscow. In every national republic, a national idea is tacitly supported, national identity is emphasized, BUT only the Russians do not. On the contrary, the ephemeral concept of "multinationality" is suggested. It's a shame for the state.
      Believe me, if an analogue of 1917 happens now, the same 17th seems to be a childish prank in comparison. And the loss of population, and the loss of territories. hi
      1. tomket
        tomket 9 February 2016 12: 32
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        but the "guarantor" in relation to Lenin is indeed right. It was Lenin who created the prerequisites for the collapse of the country in the future, by federalizing the empire.

        And who prevented the rewriting of the constitution in 91? Who is stopping getting rid of the Lenin bomb now?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 12: 41
          +2
          Quote: tomket
          And who prevented the rewriting of the constitution in 91?

          Yes, you yourself know that. All the same.
          1. tomket
            tomket 9 February 2016 12: 47
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Yes, you yourself know that. All the same.

            Surely Lenin came from the mausoleum and pulled out a pen from the hands of Yeltsin?)))))
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 13: 04
              +1
              Quote: tomket
              Surely Lenin came from the mausoleum and pulled out a pen from the hands of Yeltsin?)))))

              The national composition of the fiery revolutionaries and fiery perestroika is still the same. Some of them are now at the helm. Maybe that's why it was voiced -
              Kremlin head Vladimir Putin said Russia could have no other unifying idea than patriotism. “This is a national idea. We have no and cannot have any other unifying idea, except patriotism. "
              Does it sound like American, don’t you?
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 9 February 2016 14: 02
          +4
          Quote: tomket
          And who prevented the rewriting of the constitution in 91? Who is stopping getting rid of the Lenin bomb now?

          Questions that adults cannot answer are called children’s (C)
  • captain
    captain 9 February 2016 10: 03
    17
    No need to whitewash Lenin’s grandfather. The Communist comrades gave away the lands inhabited by Russians, to local nationalists, carried out indigenousization in the given lands. They have persecuted everything Russian there, and now they are writing articles about the greatness of Leninists and their love for Russians. They gave the entire Southeast of modern Ukraine to nationalists (these lands were recaptured by the Russian army from Turkey, when Ukraine simply did not exist). They gave Crimea, they gave 6 regions to Kazakhstan, they gave the lands of the Semirechensky army of the Cossack Kyrgyzstan, they gave the lands of the Terek Cossacks to Dagestan and Chechnya, they distributed the lands of the Kuban Cossacks to the North Caucasian republics.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 9 February 2016 10: 22
      16
      Quote: captain
      They gave the entire Southeast of modern Ukraine to nationalists (these lands were recaptured by the Russian army from Turkey, when Ukraine simply did not exist). They gave the Crimea, they gave 6 regions to Kazakhstan, they gave the lands of the Semirechensky army of the Cossack Kyrgyzstan, they gave the lands of the Terek Cossacks to Dagestan and Chechnya, they distributed the lands of the Kuban Cossacks to the North Caucasian republics.

      But in the process of separation of the USSR (a single state, by the way), it was not Lenin who gave all this to the newly formed post-Soviet states, but Yeltsin ... During a divorce, one must take his things, not give them away.
      1. barclay
        barclay 9 February 2016 10: 58
        13
        Absolutely right! And especially Crimea. After all, there was also a referendum. If the issue of Crimea’s affiliation were decided during the collapse of the Union, then how many problems could have been avoided. It seems to me that Yelkin was not particularly worried, except for his own power. And how did he withdraw troops from Germany !? Shame on you!
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 9 February 2016 10: 23
      12
      Quote: captain
      No need to whitewash Lenin’s grandfather. The Communist comrades gave away the lands inhabited by Russians, to local nationalists, carried out indigenousization in the given lands. They have persecuted everything Russian there, and now they are writing articles about the greatness of Leninists and their love for Russians. They gave the entire Southeast of modern Ukraine to nationalists (these lands were recaptured by the Russian army from Turkey, when Ukraine simply did not exist). They gave Crimea, they gave 6 regions to Kazakhstan, they gave the lands of the Semirechensky army of the Cossack Kyrgyzstan, they gave the lands of the Terek Cossacks to Dagestan and Chechnya, they distributed the lands of the Kuban Cossacks to the North Caucasian republics.

      They didn’t give anything! When you transfer money from one pocket to another, you also think that you gave the money away? The USSR only grew over time! And, the fact that the borders within the country were drawn, of course, it was a mistake, as it turned out. But, no one, after all, had supposed that the USSR would fall apart thanks to betrayal! You will not consider everything. The USSR built its policy taking into account development, and not taking into account collapse!
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 9 February 2016 10: 46
        -7
        Quote: Stas157
        They didn’t give anything! When you transfer money from one pocket to another, you also think that you gave the money away? The USSR only grew over time! And, the fact that the borders within the country were drawn, of course, it was a mistake, as it turned out. But, no one, after all, had supposed that the USSR would fall apart thanks to betrayal! You will not consider everything. The USSR built its policy taking into account development, and not taking into account collapse!


        Because, not storytellers should rule the country, imagining that they know better the course of history than others

        "Lenin’s doctrine is omnipotent because it is true"- isn't it funny now to read such nonsense that hung on every wall?


        1. Stas157
          Stas157 9 February 2016 11: 09
          +9
          Quote: bulvas
          Because, not storytellers should rule the country, imagining that they know better the course of history than others

          Do you think storytellers built the world's first socialist state? Probably, to some extent, yes! Because, managed to make a fairy tale come true!
          Quote: bulvas
          "Lenin's doctrine is omnipotent because it is true" - is it not funny now to read such nonsense that hung on every wall?

          There were many excesses! Yes, aren’t they now? And it’s not fun on any wall! It’s a lot of fun, but I don’t remember that, maybe there was some kind of transparency at the demonstration ... And what fun, no one read! Ah, what hurt you?
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 9 February 2016 11: 24
            -5
            Quote: Stas157
            Do you think storytellers built the world's first socialist state? Probably, to some extent, yes! Because, managed to make a fairy tale come true!


            Exactly, "contrived". Only "wisdom" was not enough for long. The whole country was thrown.


            Quote: Stas157
            There were many excesses! Yes, aren’t they now? And it’s not fun on any wall! It’s a lot of fun, but I don’t remember that, maybe there was some kind of transparency at the demonstration ... And what gaily, no one read! Ah, what hurt you?


            Indeed, the people we belonged to fun, with humor to the fact that on the walls of Iselo.

            Then I agree with you, and if I mixed the word somewhere in the slogan - the essence does not change, they were all about the same thing - cover the holes in the fences and the scratched facades

            1. Stas157
              Stas157 9 February 2016 11: 57
              +3
              Quote: bulvas
              Indeed, the people in our country were bored, with humor to the fact that the walls were bored.

              Thank you for correcting!

              Quote: bulvas
              Then I agree with you, and if I mixed the word somewhere in the slogan - the essence does not change, they were all about the same thing - cover the holes in the fences and the scratched facades

              Who, after all, is looking for! He then finds! Who, holes in the fence, and who admires Gagarin’s flights into space! If in the USSR there were only holes in the fences, then no one would have felt themselves deceived today and no one would have remembered the USSR with a kind word! It might be better to raise a different question, I wonder how many people there will be who will remember these good 25 years after the fall of the USSR!
              1. captain
                captain 9 February 2016 13: 11
                0
                If our ancestors did not conquer so much land, not under the leadership of our wonderful party, then I think there would be no Gagarin either.
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    3. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 9 February 2016 10: 28
      +4
      Quote: captain
      They persecuted everything Russian there, and now they are writing articles about the greatness of Leninists and their love for Russians

      Comrade Lenin did not treat the Russian people very well, to put it mildly. Apparently, he was afraid of "Great Russian chauvinism", in other words, the rise of our, Russian, national consciousness. Let me remind you of his words
      We are full of feelings of national pride, and that is why we especially hate our slave past (when the landowners nobles led men to war to strangle the freedom of Hungary, Poland, Persia, China) and our slave present, when the same landowners, hastened by the capitalists, lead us to war to strangle Poland and Ukraine
      "On the national pride of the Great Russians"
      Social Democrat No. 35,
      12th of December 1914

      Can you imagine? Empire, such a dog, under the pretext of World War II, strangles the freedom of Ukraine!
      It is unclear why Ukrainians felled the monument to the leader of the world proletariat, if he was the most convinced and consistent Ukrainian nationalist. smile
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 9 February 2016 10: 42
        -1
        He would have treated the Russians well if his mastermind Karl Marx hated Russia and the Russians for English money
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 9 February 2016 12: 12
        +2
        It’s funny to watch the faithful Leninists — he brought them a quote from Ilyich’s legacy, and they minus it for that. Well, subject your merciless proletarian censorship to the complete works of the founder - there is still a lot of any seditious.
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 9 February 2016 12: 36
        +2
        Can you imagine? Empire, such a dog, under the pretext of World War II, strangles the freedom of Ukraine!


        And if you read it carefully without a prepared indictment? The key words "nobles and landowners" led the peasants to stifle the freedom of Poland and Ukraine. If you replace it with "commissars" and "lead to an international union", everything would be fine according to VIL. If I remember correctly, this is how they went to Poland in the 20th to bring Soviet power with bayonets. Of course, it was a rollback in response to aggression, but the fact remains.
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        2. RUSS
          RUSS 9 February 2016 12: 43
          0
          Quote: alicante11
          . Of course, this was a rollback in response to aggression, but the fact remains the fact.

          Whose aggression?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 9 February 2016 15: 57
            0
            Whose aggression?


            In Polish, the day is clear.
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            2. RUSS
              RUSS 9 February 2016 16: 55
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              Whose aggression?


              In Polish, the day is clear.

              Poland occupied at that time an independent Ukraine, but ours quietly to Warsaw, though unfortunately they raided the Vistula ....
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 10 February 2016 05: 38
                0
                Poland occupied at that time an independent Ukraine, but ours quietly to Warsaw, though unfortunately they raked on the Vistula ..


                Yeah, independent, Svidomo, etc. Who recognized its independence?
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 9 February 2016 10: 41
      +4
      Quote: captain
      No need to whitewash Lenin’s grandfather. The Communist comrades distributed the lands inhabited by Russians, local nationalists, carried out indigenousization in the given lands. Have persecuted there n

      will you tell me, sir, how much Russia lost as a result of the "Brest treaty"? Or is Lenin also to blame? maybe you don't need to pull out of history and present only moments that are beneficial to you? objectivity ...
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 9 February 2016 12: 19
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        will you tell me, sir, how much Russia lost as a result of the "Brest treaty"? Or is Lenin also to blame?

        Oh, and who signed the Brest Peace Treaty? Oh, yes - Chicherin! From him and the demand, as from the People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs of the RSFSR. Ilyich is definitely out of business.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 9 February 2016 15: 59
          +1
          Oh, and who signed the Brest Peace Treaty?


          What was there to do? There is nothing to fight with, and even white and former allies are ready to cling to the scruff of the neck. It was necessary at least to make peace with the Germans. Moreover, as soon as the Germans were overwhelmed, Brest was somehow "forgotten" or "beaten".
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 9 February 2016 16: 37
            -1
            Quote: alicante11
            And what was to be done? There is nothing to fight, and even the white and former allies are ready to cling to the scruff.

            Yes, I don’t argue. The terrible and shameful Brest peace was vital as a respite to the young socialist state. But to deny Lenin’s participation in the initiation and conclusion of this treaty, to put it mildly, is not true.
    5. Starshina wmf
      Starshina wmf 9 February 2016 11: 11
      +1
      They also gave the land of Kalmyks of the Astrakhan region and did not return
    6. tomket
      tomket 9 February 2016 12: 34
      +2
      Quote: captain
      They gave Crimea, they gave 6 regions to Kazakhstan,

      Actually, under Comrade Stalin, such nonsense as the separation of Ukraine could never have occurred to anyone. as with comrade Khrushchev. Rather, people could move to permanent residence in a different place than something to separate somewhere. So do not wring your hands here and moan about the bad Communists.
    7. mihasik
      mihasik 9 February 2016 12: 43
      +1
      Quote: captain
      Comrade Communists gave away lands inhabited by Russians, local nationalists

      Do not distort the wand). One example.
      Under Catherine Don, the fugitives who called themselves free people were populated (not separatists in fashion?). Nationality was generally mixed up like porridge. Rostov-on-Don from how many parts began, do not tell me? Since ancient times, there has been such a city of Nakhichevan (the current part, the district, the city of Rostov-on-Don) in which Armenians mainly lived and still live, mainly in this area. Are Armenians Russians? This is an example, no offense to the Armenians. So what would you call the same Don Cossacks now? Nationalists or internationalists? Catherine, by the way, gave them freedom, in order to protect the southern borders of the Empire. That is, they gave free (autonomy) territory under the protectorate of the Empress? So the Bolsheviks laid the beginnings of federalization?)
  • oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 9 February 2016 10: 04
    21
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    According to good Yeltsman, museums should not be set up,
    - And museums are arranged for Yeltsin, and look, Chubais has erected an unsinkable monument. It’s just that people feel like an extra who they have insolently, so to speak, to fanfare ...
    1. tomket
      tomket 9 February 2016 12: 36
      0
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      , Chubais unsinkable monument erected.

      I am sure that Chubais nanomonuments are already in the whole country))))))
  • RUSS
    RUSS 9 February 2016 10: 13
    0
    A large crowd of Internet moths rushed there too - kicking and pouring mud at the long-dead giant.
    The author contradicts himself - having called some moths, he himself in his comments and article behaves like a "moth" without reasoning populistically criticizing others, for example -How many over the past two years, the head of Russia V.V. Putin, in order to return Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donetsk, Lugansk and the whole of New Russia pushed into the geopolitical abyss of the country?
    The author, but not your comrade Lenin gave Ukraine Novorossia? Abkhazia of Georgia? I’ll say more if it weren’t for our president, there would be neither the DNI nor the LC, Abkhazia and South Ossetia!
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 9 February 2016 10: 28
      +4
      ..... but not your comrade Lenin gave Ukraine Novorossia? ...

      ... As far as I know, not Comrade Lenin .... But it happened much later .... In the 30s .... Well, almost everything on the list is the same ..... hi
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 9 February 2016 10: 42
        +3
        Quote: aleks 62 next
        As far as I know, not Comrade Lenin .... But it happened much later .... In the 30s .... Well, almost everything on the list is the same .....


        Russian tsarism didn’t have time to fall — as early as March 4, 1917, the three socialist Ukrainian parties — Socialist-Revolutionaries, Social Democrats, and Social Federalists — created the Ukrainian Socialist Rada. In June, they proclaimed the Ukrainian People's Republic. But, wishing the complete legitimacy of their actions, they agreed to wait until the Constituent Assembly met in Petrograd and approved this legal decision de jure.

        However, on November 7, 1917, the Rada declared an autonomous Ukrainian state within Russia: it does not recognize the October coup, continues to consider the Provisional Government, still expects the Constituent Assembly, and considers itself completely free of any decisions of the Council of People's Commissars.

        Everything would be fine, the new government can wait a while, solving more urgent and vital tasks. But Brest negotiations between the Bolsheviks and the Germans begin. And Germany, of course, has in mind the occupation and exploitation of all adjacent territories, and Ukraine - in the first place: bread, butter, meat, skin. Germany is exhausted, there is nothing there. But the Bolsheviks do not control Ukraine! And the Germans are putting pressure on them!

        At the end of November, the XNUMXst Congress of Councils of Ukraine will be held in Kiev, which fully approves all the actions of the Rada. A few Bolsheviks leave the hall.

        And in early December, the Bolshevik Congress of Soviets was going to be held in Kharkov, declaring itself the Congress of Soviets of Ukraine, and the only legitimate one. And the proclaimed Ukrainian Soviet Republic with its capital in Kharkov. And she concludes an agreement on mutual assistance and all the good with Soviet Russia. And Radu is outlawed.

        But where is the territory of this conditionally buffer-puppet state? Ukrainian all territories under the Ukrainian People’s Republic. And in general, Kharkov is a Russian city and rather Novorossia.

        Not scary. The map shows the territory of a new state. Kharkov and the free surroundings are transferred to the jurisdiction of Soviet Ukraine, being previously the New Russia. Donbass including and so on. All this is purely formal. And the Soviet this Ukrainian Republic declares that there is a part of genuine Ukraine, single and more or less indivisible. And that the Soviet Ukrainian power sitting now in Kharkov is the only legitimate authority in the entire Ukrainian state. Which is now simply split by evil secessionists into two parts, but generally inextricably.

        And the Council of People's Commissars rolls out an ultimatum to Kiev: to recognize the legitimate powers of Kharkov and submit. Well, as if Kharkov were in control. And he has the right to transfer his powers to the Council of People's Commissars about the Brest Peace, according to which Ukraine should be legally occupied, and the Bolsheviks must ensure the possibility of this. Otherwise, Germany may stop paying the Bolsheviks! On the content of the Red Guard, newspapers and in general.

        Of course, the Rada rejects the ultimatum, and on January 24, 1918, declares the full independence of the Ukrainian state. And on January 26, the representatives of the Rada were in Brest-Litovsk, and on January 27, Germany recognizes the Rada as the legitimate government of Ukraine. And concludes a contract with him, which lists all the good that Ukraine will supply to Germany. In short, the power of the Rada will return on German bayonets. Everything is better than in the KGB cellar.

        This is how the conditional territory of the Kharkov Soviet Ukrainian Republic generally became the territory of Ukraine de jure. That's how the Donbass began to belong to Ukraine (and still!), Which never happened! And the Germans entered it! - and they had the right under the contract!








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    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 9 February 2016 10: 34
      0
      And Chechnya would not be part of the Russian Federation, for sure)

      Vryatli who with Kadyrov could agree. Although I would look at how Zyuganov tried to explain something to him and to interpret after the death of his father, when he came to the Kremlin in a tracksuit

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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 9 February 2016 10: 49
        +7
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        And Chechnya would not be part of the Russian Federation, for sure)

        Khrushchev also messed up with Chechnya, few speak, but he tore the Naursky district and the Shelkovsky region from the Stavropol Territory and included it in Chechnya in 1957, without taking into account the opinion of the local population, the vast majority of which at that time were Russians, Naursky the district was transferred, together with the territory of the current Shelkovsky district, restored by the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic.
        1. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 9 February 2016 11: 19
          +4
          Naursky, Shelkovsky, Nadterechny areas ...
          Look at the map of Chechnya-Peter and Paul, Sernovodskaya, Nesterovskaya, Assinovskaya ...
          These are all Cossack villages. There were.
          In 2000 he was on a business trip to Shelkovskaya. It was a sad sight. Some are Chechens. Near the Terek and other rivers everything is contaminated with fuel oil (waste from gasoline "samovars".
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 9 February 2016 13: 00
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      [i] The author, not your comrade Lenin gave Ukraine Novorossia? Abkhazia of Georgia?

      Purely for the sake of historical justice - under Stalin it was ...
      Let him throw a stone at him who is without sin (forever right!) ... or shoot into the past with a pistol ... well, at least from a slingshot? ... The future - not far, around the corner - has prepared, oxnarvid shells in the trunks. ..
  • Proxima
    Proxima 9 February 2016 10: 16
    +2
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    "A special commission of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation established that when signing the Belovezhskaya agreements:" BN Yeltsin went on a gross violation of Articles 74–76 of the Constitution of the USSR

    Why Lenin introduced this paragraph on the withdrawal from the USSR - of course, there are no questions. But why it was not removed in subsequent editions of the Constitution - THIS IS A QUESTION! Who would Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich be in the Bialowieza conspiracy if this paragraph were not? That's right, with the usual SEPARATIST CRIMINALS!
    1. vandarus
      vandarus 9 February 2016 10: 36
      +5
      Centrifugal processes in the national republics of the USSR reached their peak by the beginning of the 90s. And in no way the presence or absence of a provision on the possibility of the republic leaving the USSR would not have affected the same Baltic states or Georgians — they generally ignored the legislative acts of the Union.
      And as for: "Who would Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich be in the Belovezhsky agreement if this paragraph were not there? That's right, ordinary SEPARATIST CRIMINALS!" Do you think that in this case Putin would not have opened the Yeltsin Museum? laughing
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 9 February 2016 11: 10
        +3
        Quote: vandarus
        Do you think in this case Putin would not open the Yeltsin Museum?

        There would be no one to open a museum, because there would be no Yeltsin as the leader of the RSFSR, as well as other leaders of 14 national republics. There would be provinces on a territorial basis. Who, then, is going to gather in Belovezhskaya Pushcha? Legal documents should not be ignored! Please note that the Union fell apart exactly along the borders fixed by these very documents.
        1. vandarus
          vandarus 9 February 2016 11: 29
          +2
          "Please note that the Union has collapsed exactly along the borders fixed by these very documents." You justly noticed this. Did you notice that at the same time ethnic autonomies (Ossetians in Georgia and Russians (Ukrainians) in Moldova) demanded their own sovereignty? This is an illustration of the fact that the collapse is not along the administrative border, but along the territorial and ethnic lines. Provinces by provinces, but as with nat. to be the majority in them? RI is an example of this.
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 9 February 2016 12: 34
            0
            Quote: vandarus
            Did you notice that at the same time, ethnic autonomies (Ossetians in Georgia and Russians (Ukrainians) in Moldova) demanded their own sovereignty?

            You never know who demands something and where are these "states"? Now, if these territories had the right to secede, then believe me there would be not 15 republics, but as many as prescribed by the relevant documents within the Leninist borders. So again, ignoring this kind of documents is ALWAYS FREQUENTLY.
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        3. alicante11
          alicante11 9 February 2016 12: 47
          0
          There would be provinces on a territorial basis. Who, then, is going to gather in Belovezhskaya Pushcha?


          To the governors
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    3. alicante11
      alicante11 9 February 2016 12: 45
      +1
      Who would Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich be in the Bialowieza conspiracy if this paragraph were not there? That's right, with the usual SEPARATIST CRIMINALS!


      So they were. What is said in the article. Read the full commented article. The exit procedure was not followed.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 9 February 2016 12: 58
        +1
        [quote = alicante11] [quote] Read the full commented article. The exit procedure was not followed. [/ Quote]
        This is an excuse for the poor. Most importantly, it was provided for! And in what way you will break a vase - with a hammer or throw it on the floor - it does not matter.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 9 February 2016 16: 01
          +1
          This is an excuse for the poor. Most importantly, it was provided for! And in what way you will break a vase - with a hammer or throw it on the floor - it does not matter.


          You tell the tax if you do not file the documents correctly for the VAT refund. You can still in the social insurance, submitting the wrong documents for reimbursement of expenses for maternity payments ... Well, do you remember other examples yourself ... for the poor?
    4. mihasik
      mihasik 9 February 2016 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: Proxima
      Who would Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich be in the Bialowieza conspiracy if this paragraph were not there? That's right, with the usual SEPARATIST CRIMINALS!

      So they were, because they violated the Constitution of the USSR. But to catch and judge them for this to whom? Americans?)
      Putin took the "arrows" away from the true culprit of the collapse of the country and put it on the dead man who cannot answer! Not pretty. Although Boriska also threw away his hooves.
      But I have a question. I’m wondering if Ulyanov (Lenin) would answer Putin’s arguments?) Why did Putin, after building the Yeltsin Center, not build the Gorbachev Center, another "reformer"? Is that why he's still alive?)
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 9 February 2016 14: 23
        +3
        Quote: mihasik

        But here I have a question. So I wonder if Ulyanov (Lenin) answered Putin's arguments?)

        Believe me, he would have answered so (with his eloquence) that he would not have found a debate between hunters. Different weight categories. And so, why? Kick, to the health of DEAD LION!
  • shooter18
    shooter18 9 February 2016 10: 17
    +5
    at the second congress of councils, the first document adopted was the appeal of Lenin: the Soviet government will provide all the nations inhabiting
    Russia, the true right to self-determination .... Vdovin and Barssenkov write well about this in the book History of Russia 1917 - 2009 ... "A new policy towards non-Russian peoples was formulated
    two documents of Soviet power - “Declaration of the Rights of the Peoples of Russia”
    and Appeal “To all working Muslims of Russia and the East”,
    who saw the light, respectively, on December 2 and 20, 1917. They proclaimed the equality and the right of all peoples of Russia to self-determination, right up to
    before separation. And although the Bolsheviks never campaigned for him, they had to reckon with this right.
    The Bolsheviks recognized the independence of Poland, which had actually seceded and was under German occupation. Without hunting
    forcedly December 18, 1917 SNK and recognized the independence of Finland. Soon, however, a civil war broke out on its territory,
    the outcome of which in the spring of 1918 was predetermined by German intervention.
    On unoccupied parts of Estonia and Latvia, as well as in Belarus
    Soviet power was established in October - November 1917. "
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 9 February 2016 10: 32
    12
    under Lenin, the peasant saw an electronic lamp, and now, it seems, he will start to forget it, taking into account the new "brilliant" ideas of our "ministers", to make a limited consumption of electricity. and the photo by the way ... yes ...
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 9 February 2016 14: 20
      0
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      under Lenin, the peasant saw an electronic lamp, and now, it seems, he will start to forget it, taking into account the new "brilliant" ideas of our "ministers", to make a limited consumption of electricity. and the photo by the way ... yes ...

      No. Now you just need to buy another light bulb, LED, which costs 500-600 rubles / piece, and it will burn out in three to five months. In general, "savings" on the face of the consumer!) In general, as usual!)
      I have a question. Does anyone remember those times when prices did not rise but fall? And then I, with my prehistoric Soviet atheism, do not even remember this!))
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 9 February 2016 12: 00
    -1
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    According to good Yeltsman, museums should not be arranged, but something else, much less pleasant and honorable ..

    Have you seen the photo in the article? Draw conclusions about what policies the Great Pu continues.
  • 70BSN
    70BSN 9 February 2016 12: 01
    +5
    I don’t know what it is and how Putin sees it in everything ..... but here’s what’s because of Yeltsin am even now the country has lost 7 billion when they could build a bridge nearby which is in disrepair.

    Because of one g .... so many fates were ruined in due time and even to this day all Boria is called a bad word ......

    http://sobesednik.ru/politika/20151028-centr-elcina-za-7-milliardov-rubley-ne-zh

    irno-li
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    2. 70BSN
      70BSN 9 February 2016 20: 33
      0
      I think it will emphasize the essence of Uncle Bori
  • RUSS
    RUSS 9 February 2016 09: 49
    +6
    Russia as a state, by the time the Bolsheviks finally took power, de facto already collapsed
    The country fell apart into national formations, but the Bolsheviks did not liquidate them, but legalized them!
    1. vandarus
      vandarus 9 February 2016 10: 10
      +8
      Russia is ACTUALLY a multinational state and it is impossible to "legalize" or "liquidate" anything in this fact. There will be no nat. formations, there will be places of compact residence of specific nations and, when difficulties begin in the country, nat. elites play games with national sovereignty. This is nature, look at the Basques or the Irish.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 10: 43
        +3
        Quote: vandarus
        Russia is actually a multinational state

        With more than 80 percent of the RUSSIAN population? belay Forget this tame media tale of multinational Russia. It was the Russian people who mastered and built factories, hydroelectric power stations and schools with kindergartens. It was the Russian people who gave (at the cost of their blood) independence to the Balts, Georgians and Moldovans, equalizing their rights with themselves. So once again - no need to talk about "multinationality".
        1. vandarus
          vandarus 9 February 2016 11: 02
          +2
          Those. exclusively ethnic Russians "mastered and built factories, hydroelectric power stations and schools with kindergartens. It was the Russian people who gave (at the cost of their blood) independence to the Balts, Georgians and Moldovans, equalizing their rights with themselves"? And 80% are Russians or ethnic Russians on the passport? Do you know how the column "Nationality" was filled in the USSR? "Mom is Georgian, dad is Armenian? Write Russian!"
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 11: 39
            +1
            Quote: vandarus
            Those. exclusively ethnic Russians "mastered and built factories,

            The bulk are ethnic Russians, which are Little Russians and Belarusians. Ask parents, they must remember the national composition of the Komsomol construction sites.
            As a gift of independence - Georgia would be under the Turks, as well as Moldova. Do you think the Turks would have made equal rights for them?
            The Baltic states (like the Finns) received their language only after passing under the jurisdiction of Russia, and that I do not remember the Georgians and Armenians in the battles with the Commonwealth and Sweden. The article is interesting, there is VERY detailed about who saved whom and how. http://www.universalinternetlibrary.ru/book/26855/ogl.shtml
            hi
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    3. Pig
      Pig 9 February 2016 10: 17
      12
      the Bolsheviks saved the Empire - albeit in a different form, but all sorts of Kolchak-Denikins, in case of victory, were simply stupidly going to give the imperial lands to the "allies" ... "for assistance" in the extermination of their own people;)
      By the way, this is one of the reasons for the transition of the tsarist officers and generals to the side of the Bolsheviks: the Bolsheviks saved the Empire and all sorts of "temporary rulers" were trading their Motherland without hiding
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 9 February 2016 10: 55
        +7
        in honor of B.N. Yeltsin Palace was erected in Yekaterinburg - Yeltsin Center

        Not a single kindergarten would have worked out.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 9 February 2016 11: 48
        +2
        Quote: Pig
        the Bolsheviks saved the Empire -

        The Bolsheviks did not save the Empire, but almost all the territories previously included in it, they "remade" the Empire - as they had there - "We will destroy the whole world of violence. To the ground, and then. We will build ours, we will build a new world", and so a new country was built only the country lived for about 70 years and collapsed, and its ancestors collected it for centuries, and you specifically hated the Romanovs for 300 years expanded the borders.
        1. Pig
          Pig 9 February 2016 13: 42
          0
          "" about 70 years old and fell apart ""
          the liberals did not "collapse", but at the behest of Western curators ... under the flag of "perestroika", "razradka" and "pluralism" they pushed the complete surrender of positions and the collapse of the country
          in the same way, the liberals destroyed the 300-year-old Russian empire by organizing a bourgeois-democratic maidan in February 17
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 9 February 2016 15: 51
            0
            If there was a strong ruler and a naturally strong country, no liberals would break up. They would have tried under Alexander the Third. Rather, they tried .... Enough.
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    4. kotvov
      kotvov 9 February 2016 11: 41
      +3
      The country fell apart into national formations, and the Bolsheviks did not liquidate them, but legalized them!
      that is, the Bolsheviks in 24 KNEW that Yeltsin and Shushkevich would come and tear the country apart? Aren't you funny?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 9 February 2016 11: 52
        +1
        Quote: kotvov
        that is, the Bolsheviks in 24 KNEW that Yeltsin and Shushkevich would come and tear the country apart? Aren't you funny?

        No, not funny.
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    5. Villon
      Villon 9 February 2016 12: 16
      +3
      The Bolshevik not only legitimized the national formations, but also united them into a single strong state.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 13: 06
        0
        Quote: Villon
        but also united them into one strong state.

        Which had a mine in the foundation. In the 91st mine worked.
  • xavbek7
    xavbek7 9 February 2016 09: 56
    15
    Lenin is a mother, Stalin is a mother, And Putin will be a mother. There is such a breed of worthless people called. Due to the humiliation of others, they increase their self-esteem ...
    1. Pig
      Pig 9 February 2016 10: 06
      -3
      "There is such a breed of worthless people"
      they call themselves: "national patriots")
      these are the very ones who consider the neo-monarchist and nationalist Strelkov-Girkin the standard for modern multinational Russia ...
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 10: 45
      +2
      Quote: xavbek7
      Lenin mother, Stalin mother, And Putin will be a mother

      Putin and now swear, but for Stalin you are mistaken. It was Stalin who neutralized the harm to the country caused by the true "Leninists".
  • Al1977
    Al1977 9 February 2016 09: 56
    +9
    USSR collapsed a group of conspirators

    How, it turns out just to break up a superpower ...
    Could a country be reformed without global change? After all, it was humiliating in the second country of the world to beg for chewing gum from foreigners and collect empty cans from under cocacola. The state should have turned to face its own people, and not all efforts to spend on confrontation ... This is also an important factor in the collapse of the country .. in my opinion.
    1. Villon
      Villon 9 February 2016 12: 24
      0
      Quote: Al1977
      USSR collapsed a group of conspirators

      How, it turns out just to break up a superpower ...
      Could a country be reformed without global change? After all, it was humiliating in the second country of the world to beg for chewing gum from foreigners and collect empty cans from under cocacola. The state should have turned to face its own people, and not all efforts to spend on confrontation ... This is also an important factor in the collapse of the country .. in my opinion.

      The superpower has been falling apart since 1953, that is, 40 years. Hundreds of billions of dollars were spent on this, most likely trillions of dollars.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 9 February 2016 09: 57
    +4
    Sharp, but in principle, everything is absolutely true.
    1. andj61
      andj61 9 February 2016 10: 33
      10
      Quote: EvgNik
      Sharp, but in principle, everything is absolutely true.

      It’s like a pendulum - first in one direction, then in the other. bully What is the essence of the article - Lenin and the USSR Constitution, are to blame for the collapse of the Union of the Baltic Republics, and Yeltsin, along with Kravchuk and Shushkevich. Corresponds to reality - absolutely! Did the Baltic states also violate the Constitution of the USSR? Yes, they started on the Constitution! That is, everything seems to be correct.
      Now let's look from the other side. Imagine there would be no union republics from the very beginning. From the word in general. And there would be provinces. Indeed, at the very beginning, in 1922, the USSR included the RSFSR, the USSR, the USSR and the Transcaucasian SFSR as part of Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia.
      But the latter were mono-national, and even then Azerbaijan did not belong to them - there were quite a lot of Armenians and Russians there. Ukraine and Belarus would quite calmly survive the division into provinces, not to mention Russia! In 1922 there was no longer Denikin with his slogan "one and indivisible", and there was no need to oppose him to the Union of republics, each of which could freely withdraw from him!
      In this province - with the exception of Transcaucasia - could be cut as it was necessary, based on economic tasks, not forgetting the political.
      Would the division in the province contribute to the preservation of the USSR? - Of course, yes!
      But the division into union republics - and most of these republics were formed AFTER the death of Lenin - is only an additional, optional factor that contributed to the collapse of the great country. The main - here the author is right - is a betrayal of the elites. Moreover, Gorbachev is to blame no less than Yeltsin. When Gorbachev came to power, he possessed such powers that Nikolai 2 would simply envy. But very quickly everything was simple. And this is also a betrayal.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 9 February 2016 11: 28
        +4
        Quote: andj61
        Moreover, Gorbachev is to blame no less than Yeltsin

        To measure who is more to blame is an ungrateful affair. Both are to blame. Gorby is the first, EBN is the second. In order. But both deserved the loop.
  • papont64
    papont64 9 February 2016 10: 00
    +5
    Wrong, there was one who called the Russian provinces the republics ... Mmm. Tiflis province, Kiev province ... etc.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 9 February 2016 11: 45
      0
      Wrong, there was the one who called the Russian provinces the republics ... Mmm.
      But is it the name? Can it still be in people?
  • Stas57
    Stas57 9 February 2016 10: 01
    14
    Oh, now it starts - red and white
    a) Blaming Lenin alone in the declaration of independence of the republics is stupid. All the leaders of the USSR could equally cancel it, but did not do it;
    b) The most important thing: until the very end in the USSR there was no real mechanism for the republics to exit

    Ololo
    I would like to look at that poor fellow who under Stalin, and even under Brezhnev, gave a hint about the exit.
    But there is also a second question, about which the author -> author -> the author kept silence - transferring territories under the jurisdiction of the Outskirts, what we now faced when the Russian Donbass became Ukraine.
    The reasons are clear, but here are the consequences ...
    Ps. And everything is clear with the Eltsin, in the struggle for power, he was ready for anything to overthrow the hunchbacked battle of a gay man with piras. I’ll be in the E-burg, I’ll definitely spit on the E-center
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 10: 46
      +3
      Quote: Stas57
      I’ll be in the E-burg, I’ll definitely spit on the E-center

      Snot you more! (Joke) From me blow your nose. laughing
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 9 February 2016 11: 34
      0
      Quote: Stas57
      I’ll be in the E-burg, I’ll definitely spit on the E-center

      I think that everyone who voted for the preservation of the Union in the referendum of the 91st year would spit. I wonder how Putin voted?
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 9 February 2016 11: 59
        +1
        On April 25, 2005, President of Russia V. Putin, in a message to the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, called the collapse of the USSR “the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”
    3. Pomeranian
      Pomeranian 9 February 2016 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: Stas57
      I’ll be in the E-burg, I’ll definitely spit on the E-center

      And from me. If you can eat more nicely. I heard a story from a Muscovite about the grave of Yeltsin. The authorities knew that there would be a lot of people to blow their nose, spit, or something more deserving of the people, and for this they invented the tombstone in the form of the Russian flag. So the ghoul spat on the grave and it seems nothing, not even hooliganism, and in this case - an insult to the flag and the article. So be more careful if that))
  • papont64
    papont64 9 February 2016 10: 02
    -2
    Losing several provinces is easier than several republics.))) !!! drinks
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  • Amper
    Amper 9 February 2016 10: 03
    10
    Modern power is like a twin, studiously mowing a couple in a diary, sniffling and sweating with zeal.
    But the lack of desire and ability to learn and work is not hidden.
    The maximum that she was capable of is to smoke in the toilet, squeeze the dough from the bespectacled beers for beer.
    The article is like a crack! +
    Get up, cursed branded the whole world of hungry and slaves! ...
    Actual as never before ..
    1. Boos
      Boos 9 February 2016 10: 12
      11
      Modern power is cunning and hypocritical, call them fools? Everything is done extremely cynically and brazenly, washing the people with a zomboyaschik brain.
  • By001261
    By001261 9 February 2016 10: 04
    +7
    Quote: Stas57
    Oh, now it starts - red and white
    a) Blaming Lenin alone in the declaration of independence of the republics is stupid. All the leaders of the USSR could equally cancel it, but did not do it;
    b) The most important thing: until the very end in the USSR there was no real mechanism for the republics to exit

    Ololo
    I would like to look at that poor fellow who under Stalin, and even under Brezhnev, gave a hint about the exit.
    But there is also a second question, about which author -> author -> author -> author Silent, the transfer of territories under the jurisdiction of the Outskirts, which we are now faced with when the Russian Donbass became Ukraine.
    The reasons are clear, but here are the consequences ...
    Ps. And everything is clear with the Eltsin, in the struggle for power, he was ready for anything to overthrow the hunchbacked battle of a gay man with piras. I’ll be in the E-burg, I’ll definitely spit on the E-center




    I’m hardly going to spit there for me.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 9 February 2016 10: 14
      +1
      How much nevertheless the Russian Slavs are wiser. I don’t like the historical (or almost historical ... well, or completely unhistorical) - that's all that in the kitchen under the glass of tea they poke it and quietly spit on the monument. And the great Ukrainians (and the Poles) suddenly begin to bring down these monuments.
    2. gunter_laux
      gunter_laux 9 February 2016 11: 15
      +2
      I’ll pass by - I will fulfill the request! bully
    3. Rosich333
      Rosich333 9 February 2016 12: 53
      -1
      Quote: by001261
      Quote: Stas57
      Oh, now it starts - red and white
      a) Blaming Lenin alone in the declaration of independence of the republics is stupid. All the leaders of the USSR could equally cancel it, but did not do it;
      b) The most important thing: until the very end in the USSR there was no real mechanism for the republics to exit

      Ololo
      I would like to look at that poor fellow who under Stalin, and even under Brezhnev, gave a hint about the exit.
      But there is also a second question, about which author -> author -> author -> author -> author
      / filter -> -> author Silent, the transfer of territories under the jurisdiction of the Outskirts, which we are now faced with when the Russian Donbass became Ukraine.
      The reasons are clear, but here are the consequences ...
      Ps. And everything is clear with the Eltsin, in the struggle for power, he was ready for anything to overthrow the hunchbacked battle of a gay man with piras. I’ll be in the E-burg, I’ll definitely spit on the E-center




      I’m hardly going to spit there for me.




      From me spit on the mausoleum!
  • Stas157
    Stas157 9 February 2016 10: 06
    11
    Putin turned to the wife of the first president of the Russian Federation, Naina Yeltsin, stressing that she deserved the respect of millions of people.

    ... and millions of people, at that moment, choked!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 9 February 2016 11: 56
      +3
      ... and millions of people, at that moment, choked!

      Alas, millions in coffins (or what replaces them) turned upside down.
    2. Shm
      Shm 9 February 2016 15: 07
      0
      Of course, he borshan about millions, he meant Chubais, Rotenbergs, Arabs, etc., who would they be if there were no Eltsin, so they respect Eltsin with his wife. Therefore, they took off and built a palace for him in Yekaterinburg in gratitude that he gave them Russia so that they robbed it far and wide, it still continues and with this power is unlikely to end
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 February 2016 15: 55
        0
        Vi, a joker? Chipped! These? From taxes of the Russian Federation
        threw off.
        1. Shm
          Shm 9 February 2016 16: 48
          +1
          Most likely it is)
  • 24rus
    24rus 9 February 2016 10: 06
    +6
    Maybe it's time to recognize the exit of the republics is not legal?
  • Abbra
    Abbra 9 February 2016 10: 07
    -1
    Read Lenin's article "On the Right of Nations to Self-Determination." And everything will be clear. Putin is absolutely right.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 9 February 2016 11: 41
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      Read Lenin's article "On the Right of Nations to Self-Determination." And everything will be clear. Putin is absolutely right.

      Articles are usually written for a specific time period. Especially political. And what is relevant today - tomorrow is considered from a different angle.
      1. Abbra
        Abbra 9 February 2016 17: 17
        +1
        With this article, it all started, wise guy!
  • GRAY
    GRAY 9 February 2016 10: 08
    14
    Perhaps the Yeltsin Center still has benefits - if the outhouse is free, as in McDonalds. laughing
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 9 February 2016 10: 24
      +2
      Oh, I see a minus. So there is no use - the toilet is paid.
      Sadness. laughing
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 9 February 2016 10: 29
        -1
        Quote: GRAY
        Oh, I see a minus. So there is no use - the toilet is paid.
        Sadness. laughing

        "Who is talking about what, and lousy about the bath"
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 9 February 2016 10: 36
          +8
          Quote: RUSS
          "Who is talking about what, and lousy about the bath"

          Saving 20 rubles is not a sin, but you need to know the place.
          McDonald's, Rostiks, cafes, cinemas, shopping centers ... Yeltsin center should also be used for its intended purpose, I am cleaning.
          1. Boos
            Boos 9 February 2016 12: 26
            0
            Making it easier to think about Yeltsin?))) You made me laugh !!!
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      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 10: 54
        +1
        Quote: GRAY
        Sadness.

        Digestion problems, or is swine flu crushing on a beep? laughing Then it’s not a sin to shit on the steps!
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 9 February 2016 11: 04
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Digestion problems, or is swine flu crushing on a beep?

          I just do not like to pay when you can not pay, but wherever it is - the remnants of education do not allow.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 11: 15
            +6
            Quote: GRAY
            and wherever - the remnants of education do not allow.

            The steps of the Yeltsin Center - it’s not for you anywhere! Anyone who spoils there will become an idol for me! wassat
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  • shinobi
    shinobi 9 February 2016 10: 09
    -3
    One sentence of the leader is enough - I will never forgive them brother Sasha! And who was A.I. Ulyanov, the elder brother? The bomber. cleansing the royal family, erradicating the higher and middle clergy. In fact, finished off the army and the economy. Then I realized it. There was NEP, the total elimination of illiteracy, GOELRO and other things. Then there was a lot of blood and sweat. Lenin wrote a lot of things and said even more. still relevant. But he was a man, and a man was peculiarly mistaken.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 9 February 2016 12: 16
      +1
      Quote: shinobi
      This is the leader personally signed an order to clean up the royal family,

      Only one Nikolai Romanov.
      Quote: shinobi
      finished off the army and the economy.

      The Bolsheviks got Russia ALREADY without the ARMY AND ECONOMY.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 12: 57
        -1
        Quote: revnagan
        Only one Nikolai Romanov.

        You are mistaken. The royal family was destroyed consciously and completely. The murder of Nicholas alone did not make sense - the dynasty did not interrupt. And Lenin should have understood this — by whom, by whom, and he was not a fool.
        Quote: revnagan
        The Bolsheviks got Russia ALREADY without the ARMY AND ECONOMY.

        When the Bolsheviks, among others, overthrew the government - the economy and the army were! They died as a result of the coup.
        P.S. Trotsky, Sverdlov, Uritsky and Rosalia Zalkind (fellow countrywoman) were also Bolsheviks.
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 9 February 2016 13: 19
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      One sentence of the leader is enough — I will never forgive them brother Sasha! And who was A.I. Ulyanov, the elder brother? A bombist.

      ... the terrorist ... the bomber ... the secret adviser, the tsar’s, you know, the redneck official stabbed with a knife in his belly ... knocked the college registrar with a club!
      When was that? Ah, more than a hundred years ago? Well, wrong, wrong! ...
      But - this is how the strategy and tactics of the revolution were created, by trial and error! Remember the words of the teacher - the character of Tikhonov from "We Will Live Until Monday" - about Lieutenant Schmidt: about the high cost of these mistakes and delusions! People - and what kind of people! - paid for them with blood and life! And we, the current ones, feel sorry for the "stuff" to the salary! ...
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 9 February 2016 10: 09
    +5
    It's funny how unexpectedly - another tricky plan showed up. Just a tricky plan on a tricky plan, right from 1917. So what son, did your (Poles) plans help you? If the actions of the authorities (rulers) cannot be recognized as reasonable and useful without the help of various cunning plans, maybe something is wrong with these actions? Maybe they are simply unreasonable and not useful (stupid and harmful)?
  • guzik007
    guzik007 9 February 2016 10: 10
    +1
    utin accused Lenin of the fact that it was his ideas about the creation of the republics that laid the foundation for the collapse of the USSR. And immediately a handful of politicians of a lower rank began to pour mud on the great thinker. A large crowd of Internet moths rushed there too - kicking and pouring mud at the long-dead giant. Apparently from this, the self-esteem of these citizens rises sharply
    ------------------------------------
    To the credit of our site, there were only a few.
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 9 February 2016 10: 50
      +1
      My president has a slightly different surname. Be careful ... You can see the clave is American ... :)))
  • Stinger
    Stinger 9 February 2016 10: 13
    +2
    Yeah. We have a lot of hindsight wise men. They would build a state. But God did not give horns to the vigorous cow. So they shine on the Internet. Especially the sharpening of thought comes before the elections. Either Vanga will predict something for them, or they will document it themselves in the election headquarters.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 9 February 2016 10: 15
    +7
    Firstly ... Putin is far from bankrupt (like the power he represents) ...
    Secondly ... everyone has the right to their opinion ... even if he and the President ...
    For example, the idea of ​​a strong Russia (USSR) is very close to me ... I understand ... that on the path of construction all the leaders make mistakes (sometimes the scale does not justify the effect) and errors have names ...
    Thirdly ... in my opinion ... the largest pests on the path to building statehood over the past century were Trotsky, Khrushchev, Gorbachev and Yeltsin ... there were more than destruction of the building ... this is a good criterion ...
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 9 February 2016 13: 06
      +2
      So for what merits do we have the happiness of contemplating an e-center? There is clearly a large overabundance of money in the country - Chubais is right. In general - a little honor to kick the dead lion. Someone upstairs began to bronze with us.
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 9 February 2016 10: 16
    10
    Putin’s behavior from a joke about three envelopes ... in theory, he should have prepared three envelopes, but he only opened the first one ...
  • kolmachev51
    kolmachev51 9 February 2016 10: 17
    +5
    Yeltsin Judah worse than Hitler Alexei
  • Denis DV
    Denis DV 9 February 2016 10: 18
    -8
    HZ, and if the noise is about V.I. Ulyanov, that he is a German agent, though yes, Putin is right! Burry, creating Ukraine in the continuation of the German project initiated by the Poles, was preparing to merge the territory of his master.
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 9 February 2016 12: 23
      +7
      ------------------------------------
      I am horrified how many dropouts on the site. History at school, you can immediately see, skipped. Then, feverishly, in the 90s, rotten sensations-exposures of the "bloody regime" were picked up from the liberal yellow press, which was published in tons by the Jewish gopota of silk-workers for Western money and-ALL! the vacuum in our heads is completely filled with shit! Oh, how smart we are! we know about that time! Nothing can convince us! And the poor are unaware that this was the ultimate goal of Western propaganda-to corrupt-pervert, to force the people to voluntarily abandon their own history. Moreover, it is so clever that the man in the street sincerely thought, I myself came to this! With your little mind.
      "surrendered Ukraine" "gave nations the right to self-determination." etc. everything is considered pulled out of the big picture. How like three blind sages describing an elephant!
      But a simple analogy does not occur to you — you are sailing in a boat full of expensive junk — and bam! hole. Will you save junk, or a ship? Yes, you will plug holes in the bottom with expensive fox fur coats and everything that comes to hand, if only not to go to the bottom. It was in such a situation that Russia found itself when it entered into the infamous Brest Peace, when Lenin, ahead of the collapse of the country, gave the outskirts the right to self-determination. All then, we’ll fix everything, the main thing now is to save the country from complete collapse. And the NEP including. Yes, you can talk a lot, it’s easier to take a textbook of the latest history of the Russian state of the 70s and read carefully and meticulously. I understand, it’s boring, it’s much tastier to flick through the fried facts of the inconsequential perverters of Russian history.
      R.S. In my deep conviction, the GDP made a gross mistake with its assessment of our recent past, and exacerbated it with the opening of the Satanic temple to the glory you know who.
      1. Denis DV
        Denis DV 10 February 2016 04: 37
        -2
        Quote: guzik007
        I’m terrified. How many underestimates on the site.

        I agree, but you do not despair if you did not understand or simply did not read the works of V.I. Ulyanolva, read them, it will not change anything laughing In your case, foolishness is incurable laughing

        Quote: guzik007
        a simple analogy, you are sailing in a boat full of expensive junk and bam! hole. Will you save junk, or a ship?


        You are sailing in a boat, and then bam! Burry World Cup @ caught a hole. Having shut up expensive fox fur coats and everything that comes to hand in the bottom, if only you don’t go to the bottom, you begin to worship the burry. WELL DONE!

        P.S. Textbooks of the 90s did not read, outgrew laughing
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  • potalevl
    potalevl 9 February 2016 10: 19
    +4
    Article plus. In a good way, it was necessary to hold a referendum on the recognition of borek bears as traitors to the Fatherland. It was then, according to the results, that it became clear that to write icons or caricatures from them.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 9 February 2016 11: 47
      +1
      Quote: potalevl
      In a good way, it was necessary to hold a referendum on recognizing borek bears as traitors to the Fatherland

      The referendum had to be held to of being killed folk money for the spittoon.
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 9 February 2016 10: 21
    +8
    "...... Over the past two years, has the head of Russia V.V. Putin made a lot of efforts to return Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donetsk, Lugansk and all of Novorossia, pushed into the geopolitical abyss, into the country?" ...
    The question arises. FORUM, and YOU are ready to take up arms and fight for the above "formations", to plunge Russia into a new war and it will not be "hybrid". Are you ready to sacrifice the lives of your loved ones? What the GARANT does in the current situation on behalf of Russia is the only correct decision. Have waved a saber, it's time to include brains and take into account modern geopolitics and the state of the Russian economy.
    The article is clearly provocative! You can dispute and not unproven most of the "statements" of the author, but there is no desire. Lenin, Stalin, Gorbachev, etc. this is the history of the country. Let's live in the present and future of Russia and our children. How much you can grind ashes and bones, the Lord has already dealt with them. Problems in the country to the priests, corruption, theft, liberals crush, and we are all my bones.
    Busily, experience and mistakes must be taken into account, BUT live the future !!!
    Good luck everyone!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 February 2016 10: 27
      +1
      Quote: kapitan92
      The question arises. FORUM, and YOU are ready to take up arms and fight for the above "formations", to plunge Russia into a new war and it will not be "hybrid". Are you ready to sacrifice the lives of your loved ones? What the GARANT does in the current situation on behalf of Russia is the only correct decision. Waved a saber, it's time to turn on the brains and take into account modern geopolitics and the state of the Russian economy

      Many of us are still ready to "wave a sword"!
      1. Dewa1s
        Dewa1s 9 February 2016 12: 58
        +1
        sitting at the keyboard
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      1. satris
        satris 9 February 2016 10: 43
        +2
        It makes no sense to fight "for" education as long as there is a true "empire of evil" - the United States, which will continue the policy of "divide and rule". Therefore, the main efforts should be directed precisely at the destruction of this source of universal danger - in a variety of ways. And it is necessary to support the "entities" - on condition that they direct all their forces towards unification with Russia.
    3. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 9 February 2016 10: 35
      -2
      Quote: kapitan92
      FORUM, and YOU are ready to take up arms and fight for the above "formations", plunge Russia into a new war and he

      not ready. But with enthusiasm, they call out their fingers with spanking on the keyboard, calling this child "information war".
    4. CONTROL
      CONTROL 9 February 2016 13: 28
      -1
      Quote: kapitan92
      FORUMAN, and YOU are ready to take up arms and fight ...

      ... shot! They took - and shot ...
  • da Vinci
    da Vinci 9 February 2016 10: 22
    +8
    Some politicians call Putin almost a communist, and these "shell-shocked" political scientists, who are now very much shown in the countries of Eastern Europe and the former USSR, use the clichés "communist" and "USSR" superficially, in the best traditions of the 50s in the United States. What is happening now cannot be called the revival of the USSR. Strengthening Russia - yes, some elements of imperial thinking - yes (there is nothing terrible here, all strong countries have imperial ambitions (USA, Great Britain, France, Germany, China, some African countries); small countries that were empires look very funny - Poland , Lithuania), but to make of Putin (Medvedev) an ideological fighter for the freedom of ordinary people - you need to be a complete primitive. hi
  • SMS
    SMS 9 February 2016 10: 23
    -7
    Yes, that Lenin, Kerensky and Yeltsin have the same field and goals, not for that their American bankers supply money to strengthen the country. And in what way to come to power and how many people will perish at the same time. Some destroy such as Yeltsin and Lenin, others like Putin and Stalin rebuild.
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 9 February 2016 11: 31
      +1
      Putin has discredited himself by his ignorance. It is also not clear how he is recovering if the country has more than twenty million people below the poverty line. When the authorities begin to look for those responsible for their weakness, citizens perceive this as weakness and panic. Putin to Lenin as Beijing to cancer. And Putin does not need to be dragged to the creative merits of Stalin. Outside the window of capitalism, Putin serves it. Under Stalin, there was socialism outside the window; Stalin served the people. Study the material first, read more, you look and the head clears up.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 9 February 2016 10: 27
    -5
    .....for politically demoralized Russians brought to a state of psychosis....., the author of the article reports.
    In my opinion, the article itself was written in a state of psychosis, put a minus.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 February 2016 10: 32
      0
      Quote: bober1982
      In my opinion, the article itself was written in a state of psychosis, put a minus.

      In a state of aggression and hysteria, by the way, as doctors say, this is inherent in impotent people.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 February 2016 10: 56
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        as doctors say, it is inherent in impotent people.

        All according to Freud! good
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    3. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 9 February 2016 11: 04
      -3
      Quote: bober1982
      In my opinion, the article itself was written in a state of psychosis, put a minus.

      You take a look at the author’s drive)
      Veshchun is still that ...
  • Koshel2901
    Koshel2901 9 February 2016 10: 34
    +8
    Disappointment with GDP is increasing more and more, the contrast between achievements in foreign policy and inaction in domestic policy is increasing more and more, "interesting" statements on TV. The structure of management in the lowest echelons is rotting (the number of officials is increasing more and more), instead of professionals, young and illiterate people in management come to replace them (especially in the social sphere), nepotism is in full bloom in various government bodies, etc. etc..
    And what comes of this ???
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 9 February 2016 11: 20
      +2
      Quote: Koshel2901
      The disappointment in GDP is growing stronger, the contrast of achievements in foreign policy and inaction in domestic


      yes it is a dialectic. But thanks to the efforts of the Levada-center type of commuters, the GDP rating will be kept within 80%. The saddest thing is that the authorities, in order to compensate for image costs, will go to some kind of populist demarche. We wait.
  • GEV67
    GEV67 9 February 2016 10: 35
    -1
    I completely agree with the author of the article! The komunyak elites did not want the unification of the country, so it was easier to "reign" in their republics this way. The only one who really had the opportunity to abolish this entire system and make Russia a single state was Stalin, why he did not do this, I don’t know.
    Modern "servants of the people" at least rebuilt the army and returned the Crimea and that bread.
  • xorgi
    xorgi 9 February 2016 10: 37
    0
    Again, the election article, a bunch of unproven emotions:
    "And now the facts. ... He considered it untimely, that is, not incorrect in principle, but incorrect in the given historical conditions."
    Here is an example watered. technology, the author "vparil" us a postulate (and says that this is a fact, not his opinion), without bothering to prove. I am not talking about its correctness or incorrectness. I'm talking about the fact that the author does not give a link where he got this opinion, and in what context. Moreover, for Lenin it is also necessary to indicate the period and work, since a distinctive feature of V.I. was the development of his ideas. Of course, the most intelligent will start: you can google it, you need to read it, everyone knows this only you (in the sense of me) do not know. Forgive me, I am reading the article and if the author wants me to be in solidarity with him, let him state his point of view reasonably, and the link and quote have not spoiled more than one article.
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 9 February 2016 10: 37
    +9
    And it's all about him. About Yeltsin, that is.

    Everyone knows perfectly well that not only the legislation of the USSR, but also the Helsingi Act was grossly violated. De jure - there is no "state of Ukraine".

    And if there is - then there is no international law and the original Russian territories like Donbass and South Ossetia should be in Russia. As well as other interested parties, such as PMR, and - maybe - Abkhazia.

    Hypercriminal Yeltsin, on a gangway with accomplices, abused the opinion of 113 million people. Is there still such a precedent where there are more than 100 million victims? How much was hit by Hitler? But - Hitler - a taboo, a criminal, an absolute evil; but Yeltsin is formally (on the part of state institutions) the respected president of Russia.

    It is time to restore historical justice. And if there are those who disagree - such as overseas puppeteers and small-town Gauleiters, then they must be firmly put in place.

    Baltic fanatics are still judging Soviet citizens for acts committed 70 years ago. And with us, they cannot even punish participants for real treason to the motherland.
  • Samen
    Samen 9 February 2016 10: 37
    0
    A provocative article, for the simple reason that we all know very well: history has no subjunctive mood ... Nowadays, as never before, consolidation is needed. Moreover, each for himself determines the "center of crystallization". For some, such a center is the GDP. For some, it's a mausoleum ... or nostalgia for a united Union. This is not important. It is important that we do not succumb to provocations driving wedges into society. And the wedges are pushed right into the gaps between the consolidating values!
    The article is a minus.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 9 February 2016 13: 17
      +2
      E-CENTER - the main wedge. Who drove it? And some people from the height of the Kremlin towers crap on this very popular opinion. The guarantor decided to search for cheap popularity but it turned out badly - he split his supporters.
  • satris
    satris 9 February 2016 10: 39
    +5
    But does the esteemed author not see some similarity between the situation after October 17 and August 91? Also, the "national outskirts" became obsessed and wanted independence. We thought they could do it themselves, but it turned out that they switched from the jurisdiction of the USSR to the jurisdiction of the United States. And this is understandable: no one will allow small countries to have their own policy - they are like a poor DPRK. And the guys are really great: in such conditions it is necessary to be able to go into space!
    As for the "return of territories" - then, of course, if it were not for the "fifth column" and not "agents of influence", everything would have happened exactly the way the population wants, the people of these territories. "For" - long-standing historical traditions, shared history, culture, and just life, in the end! How many mixed marriages - it was not for nothing that Brezhnev was asked to remove the column "nationality", and he himself talked a lot about "a single Soviet people". But it was so! However, the enemies of the people - in reality - ignored the opinion of the people in the referendum and destroyed the USSR. Well, now we have to act like Stalin: first, in the entire party (in the ruling elite) he found and installed his people, and then he cleared it of perverts and "Westernizers." There is no other way: either a normal family - or all sorts of perversions. But Life on Earth is based precisely on norms, and not on perversions.
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 9 February 2016 10: 43
    +6
    Why does everyone forget Trotsky? Or did the second person in the state do nothing?
    Only I.V. Stalin was able to neutralize the most ardent Russophobe of all time.
    Yeltsin, an alcoholic, lived in our time, and we all owe him the collapse of the great USSR (Gorbachev alone could not cope) and the impoverishment of the main population of the country and the enrichment of the rich traitors of Russia.
    Followers of him up to the seventh generation will still be asked for everything, no matter how much they push themselves now.
  • Aitvaras
    Aitvaras 9 February 2016 10: 46
    -3
    I would like to defend the theory of V. I. Lenin "On the right of a nation to self-determination." This is one of the foundations of the teachings of Marxism-Leninism. It has appeared since the times of the first communists - Thomas More and Tommaso Campanella. And how Lenin used this teaching in practice is another question.
    About the collapse of the USSR, I think everything was simpler there, socialism built in the USSR, was an unviable state. system, in contrast to eg. Chinese or Swedish socialism, which forced the leadership of the USSR to reform. China - very successfully passed this stage. As a side effect of the unsuccessful model of the USSR, there was moral decay of some citizens of the Union, as soon as they vilified American jeans "Wrangler" and listened to the Swedish "ABBA "and the USSR collapsed, first in their heads, then in reality.
  • Million
    Million 9 February 2016 10: 51
    +7
    Yeltsin is no less an enemy than Gorbachev
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 February 2016 11: 04
      +2
      Quote: Million
      Yeltsin is no less an enemy than Gorbachev

      "Carthage must be destroyed"
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 9 February 2016 10: 59
    +3
    The article is like a laugh. Again, some are laundered, others are blackened. And if you look closely at all the booze that happened to the country, you will see betrayal, greed and meanness everywhere. Everywhere you can see a passion for power, both among the Bolsheviks and among the "shitcrats" who are the repainted Bolsheviks. And everywhere it always began with an external influence. They take the sale part, give money from the outside, and then begin the collapse of the country. And how do the current "revolutions" differ from yesterday's? Yes, nothing. Only a difference in names. But the nation always remains the same. At 17, at 91. And the corrupt forces that come always begin to divide the country into different kinds, the so-called republics, territories, autonomies, realizing the principle " divide and rule. ”And Russia is not“ shitty ”, not presidential, not some kind of“ republic ”, Russia is an Empire, was, is and will be, despite various intrigues of the West and the sold part of“ our ”government.
    1. Million
      Million 9 February 2016 11: 07
      +2
      Here Medvedev says that the Russian economy will be saved by investments)
      1. Samen
        Samen 9 February 2016 11: 24
        +7
        Here Medvedev says that the Russian economy will be saved by investments)

        ... you can add: and the execution of Medvedev himself! ))))
        Russia is an Empire, it was, is and will be, despite the various intrigues of the West and the sold part of "our" power.

        Gold words!!! good hi
  • Pomeranian
    Pomeranian 9 February 2016 11: 03
    +2
    But in reality, with his "Right of Nations to Self-Determination," Lenin laid a time bomb under the foundation of Russia. It was impossible to divide the country into national apartments, and the author's complaints about the Soviet leaders who did not reshape the USSR in the province or region are ridiculous. What to do with ideology, wipe with Lenin's principles? Please dismiss. Yes, and none of them (except for Judas Gorby) could even imagine that this would once bring problems to the country and the peoples inhabiting it.
    Regarding the Yeltsin Center and other things, I agree with the author of the article, at least budget money wasted. Well, one can only wish Yeltsin in hell with devils with a particularly ill imagination, he does not deserve less.
    Article without rating. I generally vaguely understand what this material is doing at a MILITARY REVIEW?
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 9 February 2016 11: 15
    +4
    A genius and a giant on the one hand and squalor on the other, but what is most surprising is that people who are considered literate know so little of history, who destroyed the Russian Empire, who forced the bloody nicholas to abdicate, who in the bourgeois government distributed territories when red terror in response to white. LENIN was, is and will be, but some of the rulers of modern Russia are already forgotten or, at best, cursed. And the LENIN case will still live and develop, in contrast to the affairs of modern power in RUSSIA.
  • obama
    obama 9 February 2016 11: 16
    -10 qualifying.
    Lenin is the most important traitor! he ruined the empire with foreign money, started the civil war with joy, and most importantly, he equated the titular Russian nation in the Empire with lessons and other things ... We still disentangle. Smelly ZhYD !!!
    1. da Vinci
      da Vinci 9 February 2016 11: 37
      +1
      In my opinion, the civil war began with a speech by Kornilov against Petrograd ... I have said more than once that the Bolsheviks (communists) "pulled the blanket" of the revolutions of 1917 only on themselves, emphasizing the achievements (including the collapse of the tsarist empire) and hushing up the blunders and mistakes, counting on the fact that the official propaganda has nothing to present. But in the collapse of the Russian Empire, the merit of the Bolsheviks (in February 1917) is negligible and it was not they who raised the all-Russian storm (or rather, their merit by 15-20%), even in the October Revolution, the merit of the Bolsheviks is no more than 50%. the heterogeneity of political movements and their influence on an inexperienced and primitive electorate was enormous to the point of destruction. IMHO hi
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci 9 February 2016 11: 58
        +2
        I will add - the result of the official Soviet propaganda "about the greatest role of the Bolsheviks" was the responsibility of the Bolsheviks FOR EVERYTHING, up to the ozone holes and global warming. wink
  • Kite
    Kite 9 February 2016 11: 20
    +1
    .... these are his ideas about the creation of the republics that lay at the basis of the collapse of the USSR. .......
    ......... Immediately the famous photograph of Lenin surfaced after being wounded in the head and a stroke.

    Strange argument! National division / allotment of territories was "genius", which is especially significant now in Little Russia. Refute this.
    Head wound? You have strange associations! Talk about your idol, but remember Sharikov with his head wound "on the Kolchak front."
    We are adults, not octotes! We know more. We already know the details about the causes of WW1, about "friends" and enemies, about tsarist Russia and the tsarist family, about the events from February to October, about the civil war, about the Bolsheviks and all their opponents, about the leaders of the Bolsheviks and how which of them went to his end. Lenin left in 1924, Trotsky later. All theorists from Lenin's inner circle did not live to see collectivization and industrialization. They were harshly pushed aside, having stolen their notes on the construction of the USSR? Some were pushed aside by others, who were silent forever, they began to paint on the "icons" of a new cult (what can you do, people need images). Trotsky was a fiery orator, more abruptly than Lenin. And if, after the rally, they shot him, then who would have got the ice ax?
    Would get! Those who began to rebuild the country, the leaders of the uprisings and riots were not needed. Only now, they still managed to leave the previous trace in the agreement on the creation of the USSR.
  • TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 9 February 2016 11: 49
    -4
    What are they running around with this "Giant of Thought" Burying and forgetting like a nightmare! Ruined the country's economy. In 1913 the Russian ruble was the most stable currency in the world, and after the revolution ... And 57 volumes of ranting and demagoguery? There one could find quotes on any occasion and "for health" and "for peace", to justify anything you like with a quote from this "Giant". Got it !!!
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 9 February 2016 12: 04
      +3
      Quote: TVM - 75
      ! Died the country's economy. In 1913, the Russian ruble was the most stable currency in the world, and after the revolution ...

      Which one is February or October? The Bolsheviks did not even overthrow the king, for that matter, they came to power when a complete brothel was already going on in the country.
      Bury and forget, like a nightmare!

      And he, in his mausoleum and so below the level of the earth lies - therefore formally buried.
  • The Sparkle
    The Sparkle 9 February 2016 11: 56
    +2
    The manual was slightly changed, but the meaning remained the same))) - "In Russia, the government must be changed, it is not legitimate"! According to the author, this is clearly visible - "(p.) A bankrupt political regime is looking for someone to blame for its failure and immense blame before Russia."

    A question to the author: "Which one and in which country / in his opinion / is correct?
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 9 February 2016 11: 58
    +2
    Quote: kapitan92
    "...... Over the past two years, has the head of Russia V.V. Putin made a lot of efforts to return Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donetsk, Lugansk and all of Novorossia, pushed into the geopolitical abyss, into the country?" ...
    The question arises. FORUM, and YOU are ready to take up arms and fight for the above "formations", to plunge Russia into a new war and it will not be "hybrid". Are you ready to sacrifice the lives of your loved ones? What the GARANT does in the current situation on behalf of Russia is the only correct decision. Have waved a saber, it's time to include brains and take into account modern geopolitics and the state of the Russian economy.
    The article is clearly provocative! You can dispute and not unproven most of the "statements" of the author, but there is no desire. Lenin, Stalin, Gorbachev, etc. this is the history of the country. Let's live in the present and future of Russia and our children. How much you can grind ashes and bones, the Lord has already dealt with them. Problems in the country to the priests, corruption, theft, liberals crush, and we are all my bones.
    Busily, experience and mistakes must be taken into account, BUT live the future !!!
    Good luck everyone!

    I am joining. The most adequate comment on this article.
  • Amper
    Amper 9 February 2016 11: 58
    +1
    Do not touch the October!
    Of course, we did not know the whole truth about the Revolution, but we knew exactly what was good and what was bad!
    The modern government feverishly got rid of these postulates (and the GDP knew them too, and the EBN), and what happened? Does modern society have decent morality? Purpose? We all go to her, not much left ..
    Our authorities got the whole setbacks from the past, shod, like suckers in caps. And so it was thought easy to cut the dough, so everything was well divided ..
    What clung to Lenin! GDP signal gave - bark to everyone! After him, was there no one? They had no power? Ha! laughing
    It is necessary to dig deeper, there are still kings, but nobles the sea!
    The more the defendant has arguments for the court, the less time they can give.
    Who else wants to throw a stone at the dead Leader? Come brave! Silverfish, do not forget to take it! am
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 9 February 2016 12: 52
      +1
      Quote: Amper
      Our authorities got the whole setbacks from the past, shod, like suckers in caps.

      I agree. All the most significant achievements are associated with the Soviet regime - Victory in the Great Patriotic War, flight of the first man into space, grandiose construction projects, etc.
      And what can the current capitalist reality offer us?
      - Yeltsin, in the dubious role of "the founder of the new Russian statehood"?
      - What our government, in fact, is now trying to do.
      As for me, it’s in vain that they are trying to contrast epochs with each other. After all, nothing prevents, by the totality of actions, let’s say, positively evaluate Peter I and Stalin, and negatively Nicholas II and Yeltsin.
      But no, ep, we must somehow identify the advantages of the capitalist system that have not yet manifested themselves. And right now, it’s burning right among them, and Putin’s also burning, because he is a representative of the capitalist camp, whatever one may say.
      I understand that, in comparison with the USSR, Russia looks rather pale, but this is not a reason to set up against the current government and quarrel among citizens of their own country, just to embellish reality.
      There are many other ways to excite people, and without any politics.
  • vovan50
    vovan50 9 February 2016 12: 00
    +1
    Regarding Lenin, Putin is certainly not right, but this is his personal opinion, everyone has the right. But I believe that in those conditions, Lenin and his government (the most highly educated in history) were able to save the country from collapse and from economic collapse, and most importantly, raised the people to great things. It was joyful for people to realize that they are working not for the master of the alligar-world-eater, but for their country, for the happiness of their children and grandchildren. But the Gorbachev-Yeltsin betrayal led precisely to the opposite. To the collapse of the country, despite the referendum. The collapse of the economy, culture, education, health. To the rampant gangsterism, to the almost complete loss of sovereignty, to huge human losses. And we must not blame Lenin and Stalin, but learn from them, take the best and move on. And do not wait for help from different consultants from the west. Their goal is one, to ruin the rest of Russia, in order to extend their own agony.
  • vladimirw
    vladimirw 9 February 2016 12: 13
    +2
    Yes, actually, there was no will at all, both presidents became figures completely dependent on overseas well-wishers-clues. Where is Lenin and his bomb? Here, Yeltsin, Putin’s spiritual and political father smacks of more.
    and the author is right
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 9 February 2016 12: 21
    0
    The fact that Kerensky, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and many others are guilty of very, very much still does not mean that the Communists in general and Lenin in particular were all right.
    And returning to the article - if at the time of the Civil War flirting with the nationalists can still be understood, then immediately after its completion it was necessary to immediately stop all conversations about some republics, and to shoot all those who disagree without long conversations.
  • kos2910
    kos2910 9 February 2016 12: 45
    +2
    In the collapse of the USSR, the role of Lenin is minimal, the main role belongs to Gorbachev and Yeltsin and national elites. There was no need to build a Yeltsin center, even if they would make donations, but did not deserve to not spend state funds. Of course, it can’t be erased from history, but we have a tiny Yesenin museum, and here they erected ....
    1. tomket
      tomket 9 February 2016 12: 52
      0
      Quote: kos2910
      In the collapse of the USSR, the role of Lenin is minimal, the main role belongs to Gorbachev and Yeltsin and the national elites.

      The main culprits of the collapse of the Union under Putin are Lenin, Ivan the Terrible and Rurik. This trio destroyed the Union by laying an atomic bomb under it, the Streletsky Berdysh and the sling))).