The combat module self-propelled guns "Zauralets-D" passed the next stage of preliminary tests

The tests of the Zauralets-D self-propelled artillery gun (SAO) developed for the Russian Airborne Forces have been quite successful, said TsNIITOCHMASH general director Dmitry Semizorov.

“Were conducted tests of the combat module of this gun. They were quite successful, proving the possibility of fulfilling the requirements that were laid down by the customer. We received a number of comments on the revision of this tool and are now actively engaged in this ”, quotes MIC head of the company.

According to Semizorov, “in the next two to two and a half years it is planned to complete work on the instrument and transfer it for serial production.”

Earlier it was reported that the project creates two self-propelled guns - with a weapon 120 and 152 mm. It is noted that "the last caliber is characterized by an increased range of fire and the power of ammunition."

Comments

[Misha Honest]

Gorgeous, isn't it? Glory to the Airborne Forces!

[MIKHALYCH1]

If they try in Syria ..... Then I understand! And so, just interesting! On the basis of a tiger, obviously expensive ...

[Misha Honest]

So it’s not a tiger, but Tafun - isn’t it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0Hi1hD0fI

[Thrall]

Read more about this and other innovations for the Airborne Forces
http://29palms.ru/index.php?link=blog&action=showblog&blog=4301

[user]

If it is possible to make 152 mm self-propelled guns according to mass-dimensional data, this will be a completely different level of airborne artillery.

[Bochik]

Quote: Misha Honest

So it’s not a tiger, but Tafun - isn’t it?

On the VPK-39373 "VOLK-3" chassis.

[Siberia 9444]

It is based on a wolf. Mobile cannon lucky shells and calculation is a smart thing

[Inok10]

Quote: Siberia 9444

It is based on a wolf. Mobile cannon lucky shells and calculation is a smart thing

... and even a caliber of 152 mm. in project ...

[Arh]

And like a machine with a gun !!!)))

[Throw]

If 152mm, then the support coulter is even more powerful.
Otherwise, the "Wolf" sirloin will fall off

[2С5]

... well, this is unlikely, the artillery unit with an 8-meter cannon weighs about 6 tons, which means a 3-meter version of 2,5-3 tons + base plate ... in general, ALL artillery unit stands on ONE rod and is fastened with ONE nut (!! !) on the move, so as not to telepathize, it is additionally fixed with a "basting" (a kind of two-half clamp) located in the command room ... so you don't have to worry about the "filet", I think, although I have "basting" on this machine and did not see it, but the 3-meter barrel will probably lie in the "bed" and will not go anywhere ... there the design engineers work and our relatives, domestic, all force majeure and quirks are provided for

[Aqela]

Just what will be the range with a 3-meter trunk? Super duper or what? The same 160-mm mortar will come out on a new wheelbase. It’s also not bad, but you still don’t have to talk about an airmobile six-inch howitzer.

[Aqela]

What is characteristic, sirloin threatens to fall off quickly and completely!

[2С5]

... 152 finally can you do it! He served on "Acacia" and "Hyacinth", a lot of impressions and all extremely positive ... Is it a joke that an active-reactive 33 km bullet and a shell with YaBG in the appendage on each machine ... Respect us, p "and" n "d" o "s" s! And then ..

[mult-65]

And I happened to be on both, C and B, "Hyacinths".

[2С5]

... shake hands, colleague

[Vadim_2]

This is the implementation of a sabotage complex, which was previously done "on the knee" - somehow they fixed a mortar in a truck.

[Homo]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

If they test in Syria ..... Then I understand!

And since all previous years, technology has not been tested in Syria, so it sucks? Well done! Iron logic!

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: Homo

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

If they test in Syria ..... Then I understand!

And since all previous years, technology has not been tested in Syria, so it sucks? Well done! Iron logic!

Come on, don’t find fault!

[tasey]

And don't tell me, colleague .... If the Strategic Missile Forces have never "fired" in a real war, all missiles are also junk !?

[Aqela]

Well, for example, the same T-55, T-62, T-72 tanks in Syria have run in quite a lot ... And the T-34, T-44, T-54/55 - in the Balkans, in Vietnam, in Egypt ... Options to continue to continue? I think that of all the tanks, only the T-90 and T-72B3 were not tested. There is even nothing to say about artillery. And the D-30 didn’t fire at all in Antarctica, in my opinion ...
PySy: By the way, grandfather Lenin used to say:

Practice is the criterion of truth!

And the role of the experiment in scientific knowledge is noted in all serious works. Has anyone canceled this? You must admit me by this hussar attack afflicted. It seems sane men ...

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Based on a tiger, obviously expensive ...

Those. need to do on the basis of a bicycle?

[Aqela]

And what's so funny?
http://topwar.ru/60821-motoroller-sau-vespa-150-tap.html

Vespa 150 TAP (FR. ACMA Troupes Aeról Portées Mle. 56) - Vespa scooter with 75-mm recoilless gun M-20, developed for the needs of the French Airborne Forces in 1956.

Even more

It is curious that the French troops actively used the Vespa 150 TAP in the battles in Indochina and Algeria in the early 1950s. The novelty received the nickname "Besuka Vespa" in the troops. In total, the French army ordered and bought from the manufacturer about 800 of these scooters.

[lukke]

Based on a tiger, obviously expensive

))) Mikhalych))) - it’s good that I didn’t even put it on the URAL motorcycle.

[PKK]

I don’t see something about the autoloader. Of course, it has everything, mobility, fast folding, movement protection, will run away from the chase. But now this is not enough, still stationary shooting is not welcome now In the future, in the near future, the answer will arrive immediately, maybe do not have time to escape. As an inventor, I would add shooting on the move or from short stops. I will accept the cons with understanding.

[tasey]

Sergeant Major .... this is for the Airborne Forces, not for the infantry. what "answer" !?

[Aqela]

A shell, a rocket, an aerial bomb ... Still, the 21st century is in the yard. Infantry still "poke" less, travel more, "motopate", artillery reconnaissance and counter-battery warfare systems are also developing.

[2С5]

... the self-propelled gun does not work on the move, not a tank, after all ... especially such as this instance and the 2S5 in which loading is possible only from the "street" ... and with such a caliber (152), a car weighing 27 tons is normal when fired throws, and on the move, the consequence will most likely be artillery units, and most likely the crew too ...

[2С5]

I don’t watch something

... on the 2C5 there is such an automatic loader ("snail" in military use) that somehow it turned out faster with hands and a hand rammer, but in 2C3 a cellular ammunition rack with a conveyor and the same "snail" is very effective ... more powerful and generally gorgeous SPG will turn out ... although it is possible that we have modernized something since 1990, we fought on cars of the year that way 85-87, according to the form, practically new ...

[Samoyed]

And some kind of battery-compensator recoil? Dumb-idle in the opposite direction?

[2С5]

... the muzzle brake is that up front on the barrel extinguishes up to 53% of recoil plus anti-recoil devices, consisting of a hydraulic recoil brake and a hydropneumatic recuperator, these cylinders extinguish up to 45% of recoil on the breech, but at different temperatures the performance varies ... .karoch work on the principle of shock absorber

[Aqela]

It sounds really cool and scientific. I just think that the muzzle brake and exhaust around gives no joke. Gunpowder smoke in the face - not really somehow, if not self-propelled, of course ... This is to the fact that for the 120 mm it seems justified, but about the 152 mm it looks like nonsense. Or is it a repetition of the exploits of Kurchevsky with his 305 mm recoilless?

[Alf]

Quote: PKK

As an inventor, I would add shooting on the move or from short stops. I will accept the cons with understanding.

Cons put to others, but you have a completely normal question. The answer is this - can you say in which direction this instance will move after a shot in motion? I think that no one can predict this, but the fact that he will fly off the trajectory is a fact.

[2С5]

... and the artillery part will fly off if you shoot in the movement ... it is fixed to the base on one rod with one nut (at least 2C5 I don’t think at all that the designers will be tricky), so it will come off if do not lead to a combat position, that is, do not lower the stove if ...

[alexander 2]

I'm not an expert, but still. This is a tool for the Airborne Forces, which means there are restrictions on mass. You can not push such a caliber into a self-propelled gun and not exceed the maximum weight. It is just designed for shooting from short stops. It is not necessary, like trailed artillery, to collapse and deploy. Shot a couple of times and change position. Moreover, in motion, the calculation is protected from bullets and fragments.

[Aqela]

I put a well-deserved plus.
In my opinion, the maximum that can be used on this base is a 120-122 mm gun. A further increase in caliber will drastically make the artillery system heavier or more expensive (more precisely, both!), And a 50-kg 152-mm projectile is not very easy to leave ... Hence the conclusions: 1) it means that there will be low accuracy (short barrel, a lightweight base, a flimsy gun stabilization system, problems with aiming equipment and precise guidance equipment), 2) and there will be a low rate of fire (a heavy projectile without an automatic loader, the need for separate loading and sending a projectile-charge, complication of calculations for selecting the power of a variable charge, trajectory projectile and other). All this is extremely critical for mobile types of troops. In this case, it looks more profitable to use mobile MLRS when increasing the power: shamlnul -> fled without waiting for a "response" ...

[vkfriendly]

ON BASIS Merca will not be cheaper

[Gadzilla]

Mikhalych so overtake ... well, neither of which we will survive))

[kurs66]

Glory to the airborne gunners is probably applicable to this article) without it, sometimes it’s a little tight for them, I’m happy for the brothers)

[Grandfather Luka]

Yes, someone’s fantasy is fine. Of course, I am not a big specialist in this matter, but I just can’t connect, for example, the landing assault group and 152mm. artillery gun. It turns out the airborne artillery troops. Original Apparently, the specifics of the Airborne Forces from the day of foundation has changed very much.

[Artem shlykov]

The airborne divisions and artillery regiments always had airborne divisions.

[Grandfather Luka]

In the state of the Airborne divisions, they have never been. This army was formed from various military branches according to the plans of the General Staff.
The same thing is being done now, only at the brigade level.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Grandfather Luka

In the state of the Airborne divisions, they have never been.

Instead of a thousand words.

[Grandfather Luka]

Thank you, very clearly, I accept. One question: in the units of fire support, the military personnel, what epaulets of what arms were they wearing?

[AllXVahhaB]

I served in the 98th division, in BuiAR, the commander of the top platoon, the entire division has one shoulder straps - the Airborne Forces! A strange question is the Airborne Division, what other epaulettes can be ???

[Grandfather Luka]

Okay, I give up. It can be seen in our army that anything can happen. It happens when in the Airborne Division are parts of other branches of the army, tankmen, signalmen, artillerymen, sappers, etc. They are also called black-wingers among paratroopers.
Thus, an attack force is formed under the divisional command.

[Grandfather Luka]

An example of this is the 103rd Vitebsk Guards Airborne Division 1990-92.

[Aqela]

Thanks for the shemka. And in the 90s, how was it? Is there infa?

[Aqela]

Again, I do not understand the abundance of minuses to a sensible remark. Criticism down? Bubbling ... opinions without reason?

[Grandfather Luka]

But here is nothing to understand. A group of imbeciles just dug in here, marshals draw epaulettes for each other, minus the others with or without. Do not pay attention, you are not here for the virtual drovers. Measured with epaulettes, below the dignity of a healthy person.

[Aqela]

By the way, in my opinion, this is a correct remark. The abundance of "sinuses" in the assessment I believe for thoughtlessness. The use of heavy weapons by airborne groups of the Airborne Forces looks dubious. Let another 203-mm mortar for the Airborne Forces compose and a 180-mm mortar ... There will already be a sapper battalion of the Airborne Forces on its way with heavy earth-mining machines and a pontoon fleet in an airborne-adapted version ...
Cretinists of the 90s, when any combat-ready unit was designated as "army special forces" due to the complete collapse of other units, is obvious. Now they want to transfer all motorized infantry to the department of Shamanov, who in the old days reduced the airborne divisions to brigades and battalions.
I ask you not to tell excusable fairy tales about Shamanov - I lived in Ulyanovsk in the year of his active work there and as governor.

[Denis Obukhov]

Mass rearmament of the army continues. Still, Shoigu brought positive changes to the Ministry of Defense, and everyone sees them. Take under the wing the agency that ruined Ser ***, and raise it. It costs a lot.

[jjj]

The breech of the gun will especially suffer. And shoot only on mounted? Something somehow seems that the calculation will be inconvenient. Life will show

[torp]

No, not great! Long and not effective! During the war, self-propelled guns were designed in 14 days and they beat the fascists! And they have been designing this thing for about five years now and there is no end in sight!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: torp

During the war, self-propelled guns were designed in 14 days and they beat the fascists!

Who designed it in 14 days? An hour, not SU-152, work on which has been conducted since the spring of 1942, with at least 3 KB participating in them?
It was not designed in 14 days, but completed the design work, issuing documentation for the prototype.

[guzik007]

No, not great! Long and not effective! During the war, self-propelled guns were designed in 14 days and they beat the fascists! And they have been designing this thing for about five years now and there is no end in sight!
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One BUT did not notice in the article ?:

The tests of the combat module of the Zauralets-D self-propelled artillery gun (SAO), developed for the Russian airborne forces, were SUFFICIENTly successful,
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That's "enough", it seems. and shifts the deadline.

[Vanya]

money from the state dofiga? Why airborne vehicles are different from the ground forces.

[Alf]

Quote: vanya

Why airborne vehicles are different from the ground forces.

Because the Airborne Forces have other tasks. They need air transport vehicles with great firepower. And since the laws of physics cannot be repealed, we have to save. Most often on booking.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alf

Because the Airborne Forces have other tasks. They need air transport vehicles with great firepower.

That is, the standard "Nona" and "Pat-B / S / K" Airborne Forces do not suit? Do you need to fence another unique car?

[AllXVahhaB]

152 mm! Nona does not pull ...

[Aqela]

They even have small arms, uniforms and shoes are different.

[Aqela]

By the way, the Airborne Forces also have parachutes that are not allowed for motorized infantry ...

[GRIGORIY1957]

Quote: Misha Honest

Gorgeous, isn't it? Glory to the Airborne Forces!

I agree, cool ...! ! !

But Quote: "According to Semizorov," in the next two to two and a half years, it is planned to completely finish work on the gun and transfer it for serial production. "

2-2.5 years before the series is a lot, not forgivably a lot ...

Given the situation in Ukraine and the tension in the Middle East, Russia
may just not be ...

[denni]

interesting Instance-a kind of hybrid ACS and armored personnel carriers

[ksv1973]

Quote: denni

interesting Instance-a kind of hybrid ACS and armored personnel carriers

In fact, it’s just something new in the classification: not a self-propelled gun, nor a towed gun. It would not be a dead end branch ...

[Inok10]

Quote: ksv1973

In fact, it’s just something new in the classification: not a self-propelled gun, nor a towed gun. It would not be a dead end branch ...

... judging by the fact that two bases are being considered ... Wolf and BMD 4M ... then we will most likely see in the mountain infantry units to replace the D-30 ...

[Grandfather Luka]

I can’t imagine a combat situation in which this thing will be used by airborne troops. Hollowing on the areas, so what does the airborne forces have to do with this art, there is both a barrel and a jet. Use it during the assault, which, in fact, is the purpose of the Airborne Forces, against fortified positions or tanks, direct fire, so the chances of making at least one shot from this miracle will be very small. This is not self-propelled gun, it also needs to be deployed, minimized, this time. Generally a lot of questions.

[hawk]

All one is better than small-caliber Islamists in Toyota ...

[Disant]

Dedluka, well, the hare is already airborne to storm the fortified areas. one or the other ...

[Grandfather Luka]

Have you even thought about where it can be used as a means of fire support of the Airborne Forces, under the current military doctrine of the Russian Federation, in all areas of military operations of the Russian Armed Forces that are possible in the medium term. Given the fact that this tool is intended for warfare at a considerable distance from the main forces, in the absence of support from artillery and front aviation. In my opinion, the only possible direction, clearly visible, is Istanbul.
When throwing at Istanbul, the Airborne Forces and Marines will be used, and a powerful self-propelled gun on a light platform will be very useful to them.

[Grandfather Luka]

I wonder if there is at least one Airborne Forces in the officer rank here? I doubt it very much. But if there is, do not consider it difficult to explain to the local "artillerymen" the specifics of the tactical use of airborne subunits and related firepower.

[Mr. Pip]

Quote: Grandfather Luka

the specifics of the tactical use of amphibious assault forces, and associated fire weapons.

Not an officer, but I will explain that today it is the conduct of ground, mainly "counter-terrorist" operations.
Explain why the Airborne Forces, and not motorized infantry?

[Grandfather Luka]

Do a favor.

[Grandfather Luka]

Very informative answer. Conducting land operations. Despite the fact that the airborne are related to land. Maybe it’s better to wait for the officer, he even has the appropriate education.

[2С5]

... not self-propelled, it also needs to be deployed, minimized ...

... and the self-propelled gun, in your opinion, is constantly in a combat position and it is not required to "deploy-collapse"?

[Grandfather Luka]

Your, directly, self-propelled gun unfolds-folds far behind the front edge of the fighting. Discussed here, it works on the newly occupied bridgehead, providing further promotion (local), or the retention of occupied positions.

[Nahum]

And how to drop it? Only on transport helicopters and landing ships. For direct fire is also not intended. One advantage is high mobility and compactness. By the way - this is a lot.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Naum

.... For direct fire is also not intended ...

Is not a fact. According to the passport, as I understand it, the cannon can be lowered to -10 degrees, and this is more than enough for direct fire. This is possible with the location of the trunk to the side.

[ty60]

152 is not an option. 122 maximum. Some suppression tasks can be more quickly solved during the landing process. Because long-range support can not always be brought to the required distance. The idea is promising, technically implemented and finalized. A large amount of physical force limits the rate of fire. Managed ammunition. Point. At key points defense.

[Felix]

Quote: ksv1973

Quote: denni

interesting Instance-a kind of hybrid ACS and armored personnel carriers

In fact, it’s just something new in the classification: not a self-propelled gun, nor a towed gun. It would not be a dead end branch ...

I don’t think ... A small-sized machine with high mobility and decent firepower for the Airborne Forces will be very useful.

[onix757]

According to Semizorov, “in the next two to two and a half years it is planned to complete work on the instrument and transfer it for serial production.”

In fact, for such a time, nuclear weapons were created, but here the weapon ..

[dmi.pris1]

Let's take into account the state of our industry and everything else .. Skepticism is not appropriate here .. By the way, during the war the gun was created in two weeks (using the truth the existing carriage and some nodes)

Quote: onix757

According to Semizorov, “in the next two to two and a half years it is planned to complete work on the instrument and transfer it for serial production.”

In fact, for such a time, nuclear weapons were created, but here the weapon ..

[Mikhail Krapivin]

I agree, such terms are not the case. But on the other hand, it means the roasted cock in the ass is not pecking yet, and it pleases.

[barclay]

This is THING !!! He himself served in the artillery of the Airborne Forces. Such a system is very relevant. Especially 152 mm. There was no such caliber in the airborne forces. This will significantly increase the firepower of the troops.

[aba]

Especially 152 mm.

And if for the Airborne Forces it can still be better than 120 mm?
Because okromya guns and charges for it are needed, given the remoteness of the actions of the Airborne Forces, and timely replenishment in question, can initially take more with you? After all, you will take 120 mm more than 152 mm with the same layout and volume and weight.

[barclay]

For remote actions, just 120 mm will be left. As recent history shows, the Airborne Forces do not always operate at large distances. Shamanov won already announced tank companies to strengthen the airborne forces. And this novelty will still need to learn how to drop. And if not, then it can be delivered by landing method. It all depends on the specific task and environment.

[aba]

If from this angle, then why not - only for 152 mm!

[Aqela]

Yeah. Exactly. You can also bring a 152-mm "flower". Just a question:

What does the Airborne Forces have to do with it?

Just shamans stupidly everything rows for itself. By the way, Shoigu, at one time, also did armed units in the Ministry of Emergencies. So what? This stupidly indicates the lack of hope for combat effectiveness and mobility of combined arms.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Aqela

combat effectiveness and mobility of combined arms.

Um .. if you mean the brigade from Teply Stan (Moscow, yes) - they were all okay .. with mobility .. in 1986 there were 80 GTDs ..

Quote: Aqela

This stupidly indicates a lack of hope for combat effectiveness and mobility of combined arms

In a war, if there is (God forbid) - there will be no time to move there already .. and no one ..

Something like this..

[Old]

Sure! The supply of ammunition to the airborne forces operating behind enemy lines is a separate task. 150mm is not an airborne caliber. Each shot weighs three times more. If it was necessary to increase the power of Arta, it was always decided by the "seconded" forces.

[bykoffroman]

Judging by the photograph, the loader should be a two meter giant rocking.

[24rus]

He will stand on the ramp

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: 24rus

He will stand on the ramp

Which ramp? Think the ramp in the photo? No it's not a ramp. It's a bipod.
It’s interesting, but can this self-propelled gun land? And wasn’t it easier to do on the basis of the BMD? And what is in the boxes on the sides of the trunk and what is the volume behind the cabin?

[Avantageur]

Quote: BIGLESHIY

I wonder if this self-propelled gun can land?

Yes, for both options, a prerequisite is the possibility of landing. The caterpillar base (BMD-4M) has already been tested, the wheeled version (Wolf-3) is also adapted.

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[2С5]

... the base plate is ... the volume behind the cockpit is most likely an ammunition rack and a compartment for calculation, and which "boxes" you mean, I don't catch up with something

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: 2C5

, and what "boxes" do you mean, I don't catch up with request

Those between which the gun is placed in the stowed position.
About the volume behind the cab, I also first thought about the calculation, but there are no doors, it’s not through the driver’s door to climb.
And the big minus is that this self-propelled gun will not be able to fire direct fire.

[avt]

Quote: bykoffroman

Judging by the photograph, the loader should be a two meter giant rocking.

Another thing is more interesting - her - "Nonu K" on such an installation, which is shown in the photo in the article, can be somehow deployed according to the characteristics that the towed version has -

Angle of vertical guidance, hail. -10/+80
Angle of horizontal guidance, hail. -30/+30

Well, probably on the horizon -do. And vertically ?? After all, the meaning of the advantage over a simple mortar is then lost by the designers and reduced to a banal 120mm mortar mounted on the chassis, and the question arises - What then is the city?

[2С5]

... after all, a rifled barrel will be somehow more accurate than a mortar ..

[Aqela]

No, comrade, allow me! But what about the sacred dough cut??
In addition, adaptation to the 152 mm looks generally ... well, a strange thing. They wanted to do this for the D-30 before 1991, under the USSR, in a much more powerful scientific and production base. And what? 1990-2015 ... Where are the results ???

[Forest]

The wolf is low, 2100 on the roof.

[vkfriendly]

in the Airborne Forces are all ..

[2С5]

...yah! 152mm projectile 46kg and charge 12-16kg, the breech is high only when firing direct fire, and when working on distant hidden targets, loading is more or less comfortable, if it is manually, and if an automatic charger is installed, then finally no problem, throw it into baskets, a projectile-charge, and then "a matter of technology" - will raise and charge

[Aqela]

The Raseian land is rich in 2-meter pitching!

[dmi.pris1]

An interesting machine .. The main thing is to be suitable for landing, and this is the weight and dimensions. Judging by the photo, this copy is not much longer than the "Tiger"

[st25310]

Here is a comparison of a wolf with a tiger. Plus the wolf is modular and with mine protection.

[Aqela]

The carrying capacity of the "Wolf" is 2,5 tons with a mass of up to 7,5 tons + 2 tons of art (1 ton - barrel + knurlers + haul-offs + jacks and bipods ...) + ammunition, for at least 20 shells (60 kg shell + charge = 1200 kg). In short, the entire artillery system for the "Wolf" will be just unbearable.

[Thunderbolt]

I have always been a supporter of the deployment of artillery guns on all-terrain vehicles. In self-made conditions, like African countries, this is cheap and cheerful. And if the authoritative company TsNIITOCHMASH is engaged in development, this is a double-well-made solution. The Chinese from NORINCO also arm their paratroopers with 122 mm.

[RUSS]

Quote: Thunderbolt

.Chinese from NORINCO also arm their paratroopers 122 mm.

Another "Chinese"

[RUSS]

Quote: RUSS

Another "Chinese"

And a couple more whales.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: RUSS

And a couple more whales.

Oh, Our "Cornflower" was stolen))))) But after the Chinese "Iskander" I was no longer surprised))))

[newcomer]

good model. nothing has been published on this topic in the past few months. and now successfully tested. happy for our airborne.

[Izotovp]

And this instance is on a wheeled chassis, but for the Airborne Forces, however, a goose is preferable.

[Flooding]

Quote: Izotovp

And this instance is on a wheeled chassis, but for the Airborne Forces, however, a goose is preferable.

It's no secret, and they wrote about it in the public domain that two chassis options are being considered.
One of which is tracked, unified with the BMD-4M. And this is logical, it turns out an excellent line: BMD-4M, "Shell" with its non-linear versions, and finally ACS.
But so far it’s this photograph based on the Wolf that is being propagated on all sites. Although the Wolf is being straightened for a year and the end-edge is not visible, in any case the layman ...

[vkfriendly]

for Europe, the very fact, there are roads "GUD"

[Bongo]

Can a direct artillery fire this artillery system?

[Bochik]

Quote: Bongo

Can a direct artillery fire this artillery system?

Vertical angles from -10 to +80, horizontal 60.

[In..]

This is a miracle based on the Wolf.

[magirus401]

Quote: bykoffroman

Judging by the photograph, the loader should be a two meter giant rocking.

And in the Airborne Forces, squish 150cm tall?

[Anchonsha]

The club of the airborne forces will not be bad, very mobile and lethal. And the fact that it’s on wheels is for flat areas, but it can also be delivered on caterpillar tracks.

[APASUS]

If you still learn to drop in a place with BMD-3, the price of this gun will not be

[Mountain shooter]

Originally they attached "Nona"! In itself, a light weapon of such precision and of such a caliber is an extremely valuable thing, especially considering the work with enemy ammunition (and where can we get ours behind enemy lines?). This is the Airborne Forces.

[tol100v]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

(and where in the rear of our enemy?)

If you search well, then in RD you will not find it either!

[Aleksey_K]

If this is a real example of a self-propelled gun, then its range of fire is very small, although on the Internet they say that it is increased, probably in comparison with the "Nona", because barrel length is only about 3 meters (with a caliber of 120 mm). The T-72 tank with a caliber of 125 mm. barrel length 6 meters. Another thing is that it can be used as a howitzer. And there are also disadvantages - the crew is not protected by anything in battle and there is no mechanization of loading, which means the rate of fire is low and an additional transport (vehicle) is needed for boxes with shells. The mechanisms of the gun are also not protected from shrapnel and bullet damage.

[2С5]

... well, everything seems to be in the ammunition compartment without boxes, but arranging transportation is already another matter ... I wonder what kind of loading there is or not and the number of transportable ammunition is also a mystery ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: 2C5

..... I wonder what kind of loading there is separate or not, and the number of carried BC is also a mystery ...

[Bad_gr]

Once again, crap with minusers ....
To the question of whether or not to charge separately, I publish a photo where it is all visible.
I get 3 pluses (this is understandable: someone reading the topic received additional information and he did not have to surf the Internet himself).
And also get a 1-in minus. The question is, what does the minusator disagree with? With the fact that the ammunition can not figure out what it is? so it’s not for me to put a minus, but for myself, because I’m not able to figure it out in the Internet and read what it is.
For a retarded comrade, I explain: in the photo, on the right are two 120-caliber mortar mines that our NONA can shoot. The firing range of these mines depends on the angle of the barrel and washers with gunpowder, which are hung on the mine itself. On the left (2 pieces), the shells that fire in the same way as the mines differ only in that they have more explosives, a higher propellant charge, and there are also pre-cut rifles (at the bottom of the shell, for stabilization by rotation), which Allows you not to spend extra energy on cutting this business at the time of the shot.
Medium ammunition - a projectile guided after firing.

Correct me if I am mistaken.

[electrooleg]

In my opinion, such a configuration of a gun on a three-axle dump truck is worthy of 1945. In the 21st century, it looks like a piece of shit, sorry. And what does the Airborne Forces have to do with it? This clunker can go down with a parachute and stay intact or what?

[kotvov]

This clunker can go down with a parachute and stay intact or what ?,
probably that you have not heard about parachute platforms.

[Aqela]

SHUSHPANTSERS and VUNDERWAFLES Who does not believe - look at the reports from Ukraine. There, at the local MTS and field rembases, they still do not compose

[Skym]

Good news! Keep it up!

[Hauptam]

The chassis alignment must be visible. There is BMD 4M, Shell-on their base do, why introduce a ragdoll. And how will the T64, T72, T 80 come out with the tanks, all are "Equally different" in terms of maintenance, training, repair.

[Thunderbolt]

There are two options: the first is a combat module, which can be based on a new base chassis unified with the BMD-4 M (the Shell Shell was also created on its base), the second is on the chassis of the wheeled armored car VPK-39373 "Wolf-3." option not voiced, both are in development.
Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/120-wolf-3/ OVT “WEAPONS OF THE FATHERLANDS” AVKarpenko

[barclay]

It just wouldn’t work like with the "Vienna", which was created for the marines. It is not clear why it was not adopted, but the party was sold to Azerbaijan.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

We ourselves create problems by producing a variety of cars, platforms, and komplekses — just develop and then think how to use it, why? Well, then put a mortar and an anti-aircraft gun on this chassis, and you can hang anti-tank missiles ..

[barclay]

In this case, I do not see any problem. This is a combat module that can be based on different chassis. And the tests are not yet completed, and the final conclusions are still far away. Personally, I see a certain technical progress of our military designers and engineers. And God forbid that this process would not stop (in the sense of creating new samples).

[electrooleg]

Who slapped me cons - explain your position immediately! If nothing had been invented, but simply towed by a trailer an ordinary gun, then it can still be uncoupled and shelter made for an ambush. And with such an integral design, this is all difficult. And in addition, as already said, the calculation is also outside, nothing new.

[black]

It is immediately clear that you watched the war on TV. During the fighting, I saw only mortar men near the front line. And when the trunks are working, you can only hear the rustling of suitcases overhead. And if the "colleagues" artillerymen are covered with a large caliber, your defense will not help much there. Well, he will scatter everyone, but he will smear someone on the shield.

[electrooleg]

So this barrel is not very long-range and it is, and the very far rear is not about this gun. And even if we consider that the towed gun is no better and no worse in terms of protection and use, then why was it necessary to reinvent the wheel? After all, the grandmother spent.

[barclay]

A self-propelled gun is always more mobile than a towed one. The transfer time from traveling to combat is much shorter. There is also another point for engineers - is to find additional applications for our new wheeled armored vehicles. There is a search and this is good. And grandmas spent on a very specific job.

[electrooleg]

There unload shells on the ground. And charge from the ground. How much does a 152 mm shell weigh? How many shells need to be unloaded to the ground? Where to go unrefired if they remained on the ground and need to leave? Everything that you write would make sense when automatically loading and shooting without leaving the car. And about the engineers and the additional meaning, this is nonsense, first make a sample and then look for him to use.

[Hey]

For me, this tool is interested in the loading process. From the earth? From a car? Or is there any semi-automatic loading?
So far, for me, there is some kind of violation in the logic of actions for calculating.
I'll try to explain.
If you charge from the ground, then you need to unload - and this is an extra operation. Again 3-5 shots and you have to tick.
From a car. And it’s inconvenient to take and do not take an extra turn with your hand, since you are coming from the direction of the barrel.
Maybe there is at least some kind of "one-armed" manipulator for loading from a car. But I did not notice this in the photo.
To be honest, I don’t like something here, it’s not convenient, it’s not handy like that.
Okay, another 120 mm is one weight, and if 152 mm, spin with such ingots. In addition, ammunition unitary or separate loading?

[barclay]

Definitely, separate charging, with the possibility of forming the desired charge.

[ty60]

152 only separate

[molyr]

beautiful car turned

[BULB TARAS]

For airborne assault units, the wheeled delivery method is more mobile and quieter) Especially on the land of the railway and on ships by water (Abkhazia) or air (Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan) but with the preliminary seizure of aero and other ports. Remember Yugoslavia on "jibs" there ours on the asphalt would not have reached so quickly. And those who arrived on wheels had only armored personnel carriers. Without art, you must admit they were not comfortable)

[dchegrinec]

Oh, and the inventive pranksters are our defenders! You can also come up with a donkey backpack tool and walk in camouflage in the mountains of Armenia on the border with Turkey.

[Aqela]

And what? Has anyone canceled mountain cannons? Mortar packs were not invented?

[kurs66]

Is she interested in circular shelling ??? After all, they can be thrown to the rear behind the enemy, but there is no time at all for the OP, the D-30 in this regard very successfully fit into the airborne forces

[2С5]

60 degrees across the horizon ... from 10 to 2 hours, if easier

[TOR2]

Time obliges to transform military achievements into the civilian sector. For example, on the basis of this combat module, create a module for drilling and pipe laying.

[Inok10]

Quote: TOR2

Time obliges to transform military achievements into the civilian sector. For example, on the basis of this combat module, create a module for drilling and pipe laying.

... have long been offered ...

[Aqela]

Yeah. A delivery truck based on the T-72 is not expected?

[Fat]

Quote: TOR2

Time obliges to transform military achievements into the civilian sector. For example, on the basis of this combat module, create a module for drilling and pipe laying.

The thought creeps in that the device in the photo in the article was originally designed as a drill, its operation as a tool is inconvenient. Chinese version is more interesting

[Mikhail Krapivin]

The Swedes (if I’m not mistaken) have a long-range howitzer on a car platform, watched a video, how they shoot, inspire. Quickly shot and fell, look for her later. And ours, since ours, should be simpler, more convenient and better.

[Professor]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

The Swedes (if I’m not mistaken) have a long-range howitzer on a car platform, watched a video, how they shoot, inspire. Quickly shot and fell, look for her later

White sneakers included.

PS
I did not see a radar or other device for determining the initial velocity of the projectile on the Zauralts-D.

[Kars]

Quote: professor

White sneakers included.

It would be better to make blacks pitching)

[Professor]

Quote: Kars

It would be better to make blacks pitching)

What for? There are not many men required. Here, the main thing is to release 3 shells in 30 seconds and tear, and run faster in sneakers.

[padded jacket]

Yes, this Israeli disgrace called ATMOS no one even needs the Israeli army
So another way to steal money from the budget.

[Kars]

Quote: professor

There are not many men required. Here, the main thing is to release the 3 shell in 30 seconds and tear,

155 mm shells are not light, so the blacks are handy.

[Professor]

Quote: Kars

155 mm shells are not light, so the blacks are handy.

The Azerbaijanis did not complain, and there weren’t like blacks there. Yes, and ours did not overtake yet.

[Kars]

Quote: professor

The Azerbaijanis did not complain, and there weren’t like blacks there. Yes, and ours did not overtake yet.

They complained. Surely. Only this is of little interest to anyone. As long as you don’t become a server)) so the blacks in the kit for ATMOS would not be superfluous))

Yes M109 is also a cool thing.

[Professor]

Quote: Kars

They complained. Surely. Only this is of little interest to anyone. As long as you don’t become a server)) so the blacks in the kit for ATMOS would not be superfluous))

Duc crane for squelch and hitched.

Quote: Kars

Yes M109 is also a cool thing.

Damn, where are the shells in Atmos? Again the Bedouins dragged away the colormet?

[Kars]

Quote: professor

Duc crane for squelch and hitched

The crane is such a thing, it’s easier to change blacks)) they can replace the rammer in case of problems.

Quote: professor

Damn, where are the shells in Atmos? Again the Bedouins dragged away the colormet

And do they really have a color?

[Professor]

Quote: Kars

The crane is such a thing, it’s easier to change blacks)) they can replace the rammer in case of problems.

If necessary, we can supply blacks. We have 100 of them illegally in Tel Aviv.

Quote: Kars

And do they really have a color?

But what about? Here you can even see the photographs as a soldier drags them to the scrap.

Quote: novobranets

Somehow they do not shoot fun, without a twinkle. Here's how.

So it’s not a warrior. That’s without a twinkle. India is a completely different matter.

[Kars]

Quote: professor

But what about? Here you can even see the photographs as a soldier drags them to the scrap

But isn’t it colored plastic?

[Professor]

Quote: Kars

But isn’t it colored plastic?

Well ktozh plastic accept in the scrap? So the Bedouins will starve to death.

[Kars]

So, all the same, metal? And honestly, I’ve already gone to the photo of the sleeve, in theory, from the 120 mm gun, who says that the sleeve is all-metal, who is just a pallet.

[novobranets]

Somehow they do not shoot fun, without a twinkle. Here's how.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Indians from all over will arrange a melodrama with dances and songs, even from artillery :)

[muhomor]

gun readiness for shooting in 7 minutes! a rare dance!

[zadorin1974]

compared to border guards, they just waltz slightly

[2С5]

... yes guano this installation ... too much hydraulics and automation ... but about 10 seconds / projectile-setting !!! After the shot, the artillery unit "comes to its senses" for a couple of seconds, that is, it sways and after that the sight and turn should probably be adjusted, otherwise the damage to accuracy ... as a commercial for taxpayers, nothing is wrong, but in fact, not really practical technique ... in the field, even a small breakdown in the part of hydraulics is a rather big problem ... the more simple, the more reliable

[Professor]

Quote: 2C5

.as a commercial for taxpayers, nothing like that

What are taxpayers? The company is private, development for its money, foreign customers do not complain about accuracy or reliability.

Quote: 2C5

karoch-the simpler, the more reliable

Right Spear and ax.

[Aqela]

I have only one question: where are the Swedes in their penises dug up such a wasteland?

Climate
A snapshot from space March 15, 2002. Most of Scandinavia is covered in snow ...
The peculiarities of the location of the Scandinavian mountains, which play a barrier role with respect to the moist air masses coming from the Atlantic Ocean, as well as a significant meridional extent, make Sweden's climate very diverse.
The climate in the southern and eastern parts of the country, thanks to the warm Gulf Stream, is temperate, marine, transitional to continental. The average January temperature is from −15 ° C to −3 ° C, July - from 10 ° C to 17 ° C. The annual amount of precipitation is 300-800 mm, in addition, due to low evaporation, humidification is also excessive here, which leads to significant swampiness of the territory.
In the north and east in the mountainous regions of the country beyond the Arctic Circle, the climate is subarctic. In the mountains, the average January temperature reaches −16 ° C, and in July from 6 ° C to 8 ° C. Most of this territory is covered by ice sheets and mountain valley glaciers.

Something like this!

[31rus]

Dear, I read Shamanov's interview about new weapons, there is no "Wolf", it means either "Kamaz" or tracked chassis, which is more promising, still wondering why 122mm, if there really is "Vienna"? a separate type of troops like the Marines in the United States, which is good news, if only the training of the paratroopers themselves only increased in level, and did not turn into ordinary advertising

[mervino2007]

Quote: 31rus

I wonder why 122 mm, if there really is "Vienna"?

Yes, really, why?

[Bad_gr]

In my opinion, Vienna for a landing is too big, as it was made not on the BMD base, but on the BMP-3 base.
And Vienna’s purchases in the army, I think, were slowed down because of its not small price. And in this regard, our MO pressures: they need a lot, but for inexpensive.

[ARES623]

Interestingly, in what area do you plan to use it? If in the European part of Russia, then a tracked base will be preferable. In addition, the implement, coulter hydraulics, guidance mechanisms are not protected by armor. If the enemy uses conventional automatic guns with remote detonation shells, the gun is vulnerable even in a closed OP. For ordinary artillery units this problem can be overcome, at least with the help of repair units, then in a raid on enemy territory the weapon will have to be simply abandoned. Conclusion - for the Airborne Forces this gun is not needed. Nona upgrade to a gun caliber 152 mm and it will be better. IMHO.

[Aqela]

I agree, but the relevance of 152-mm for the Nona platform is doubtful. It would be dermal to shove 125-130 mm. However, 125-mm is the same "Vienna", and 130-mm is a good build-up of power with the inconvenience in terms of providing ammunition ...

The 130-mm M-46 cannon is a Soviet towed hull artillery gun from the 1950s. Was created by the design bureau of the plant number 172 in 1946-1950 and was intended to replace the 122-mm gun mod. 1931/37 The M-46 was created as part of a new hull artillery duplex with a 152 mm M-47 gun designed to replace the 152 mm howitzer gun mod. 1937

One sucks - it hurts a lot. But I don't know anything about howitzers of this caliber ...

[al252ex]

If this gun cannot fire direct fire for the airborne, this is scrap. Glory to the airborne.

[colonel manuch]

Why worry so much! In a couple of years, we'll see what happened. Although now it is clear that the combat radius, horizontally, is up to 170 degrees. Loading seems to be done "from the navel", so that you won't be able to shoot quickly and leave. Okay, wait and see.

[Cartman]

loading is manual, the meaning is very small

[k_ply]

Earlier it was reported that the project creates two self-propelled guns - with a weapon 120 and 152 mm. It is noted that "the last caliber is characterized by an increased range of fire and the power of ammunition."

2C36 "Zauralets-D". The public is easily misled! times from times photo completely off topic, 120 mm Nona-K 2B16 (the same gun 2A51) on the Wolf chassis 6x6. And what's the point of changing the 120mm SAO 2S9-1M Nona-S to this miracle in the airborne forces? To have an idea of ​​what this is about, see 120 mm SAO 2C31 Vienna, including 120 mm SAO Crimp (based on Object 934) and 152 mm SAU 2C18 Pat-S, but only on the basis of BMD-4M (as well as BTR-MDM "Shell"), or based on 2С25M "Octopus-SD", the common thing on the platforms is the UTD-29 diesel engine.

[k_ply]

I will explain ...

Quote: k_ply

The public is easily misled! times from times photo completely off topic, 120 mm Nona-K 2B16 (the same gun 2A51) on the Wolf chassis 6x6. And what's the point of changing the 120mm SAO 2S9-1M Nona-S to this miracle in the airborne forces?

With the same firing range (up to 12,8 km), change the level of security of the crew (crew) to the worst, with its increase from 4 to 6 people (including the driver), not talking about the loss of negative vertical guidance angles, and the possibility of direct fire aiming at the same time. The 120-mm Nona universal cannon is not a howitzer, but a mortar-gun-howitzer.

Quote: Siberia 9444

It is based on a wolf. Mobile cannon lucky shells and calculation is a smart thing

The fact of the matter is that 2B16 "Nona-K" and "cannon"also, in contrast to the 155-mm western howitzers, such as the French" Caesar "(Caesar).

[Cympak]

However, Caesar has a different mass. You can't throw it off an airplane, you can't cross a water barrier straight away.
For the Airborne Forces they will make on the basis of "Sprut-SDM1", which will parachute and swim. In addition, a single platform based on the BMD-4M will simplify logistics and repairs for airborne vehicles.

[Olegmog]

I think the following proportions should be observed, 25% on the tracked
go, and 60% on wheels. I myself work on a four-wheel drive KAMAZ,
and work has to take part in the repair of MTLBV, GTT.
Oh and hemorrhoids this thing, compared to the wheels ....!

[PKK]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Mass rearmament of the army continues. Still, Shoigu brought positive changes to the Ministry of Defense, and everyone sees them. Take under the wing the agency that ruined Ser ***, and raise it. It costs a lot.

I apologize to Serdyukov’s account. It was Serdyukov who lifted the Army from its knees and redirected cash flows for the Army. And Kuzhugetovich came to the ready. It was a super operation with cover. Everyone got caught up and still many are off topic.

[svp67]

Quote: PKK

It was Serdyukov who raised the Army from his knees

You just don’t tell anyone else loudly about it. He was put on this post, entrusted with the reform, allocated a LOT of money, and, to put it mildly, he treated them in far from the best way. It will be cursed for a long time ...

[The black]

It was Serdyukov who raised the Army from his knees

... Well, yes, lifted from his knees and put on .ope ..

[avebersek]

Yes, there is an opinion that a person was needed to break the system and change the management team. "The Moor has done his job, the Moor can retire" Along the way, having twisted excesses, for that you can "hang all the dogs" on him and his company. Well, and then a new Minister of Defense appears on a new one and ... "the card went" Here you will find new equipment and mat. provision and training without respite ... and everything works! This is not done for a couple of months. With all due respect to Kuzhegetovich. This is the kind of defense minister we need now. Conclusion: Storetkin was needed as a battering ram, to clear the place, to do the "dirty" work.

[afrikanez]

For the Airborne Forces, perhaps it’s better to come up with. Just a class!

[Bad_gr]

And what was this bad about?

The caliber is the same. Replace the base with a BMD-4m, and a newer gun in the tower. What is not an option?

[WarMachine]

Well, a freak. Surprisingly, as soon as such squalor was able to degenerate the thought of a drunk Russian designer

[Generalissimo]

And all the way envy

[svp67]

Quote: WarMachine

Surprisingly, as soon as such squalor was able to degenerate the thought of a drunk Russian designer

Envy is not so frank. And your own problems, it is in the aspect of addiction to alcohol or something more difficult, should not be advertised so much ... Can you say that in this life you have made something valuable?

[Victor-M]

Quote: WarMachine

Well, a freak. Surprisingly, as soon as such squalor was able to degenerate the thought of a drunk Russian designer

This is not for you to repack Western shrimp.

[Michael67]

According to Semizorov, "in the next two - two and a half years, it is planned to completely finish work on the gun and transfer it for serial production." Why so long? Ballistic missiles finish faster. I would understand a year. Maximum. Two and a half...

[Olegi1]

Quote: Siberia 9444

It is based on a wolf. Mobile cannon lucky shells and calculation is a smart thing

And what will the experts say about the wheeled chassis? Something I doubt that it is for the Airborne Forces that the wheels are better than the tracks ...

[Vadim_2]

The system on the ebanutaya website. I write a message, in response - "too many messages in 5 seconds."
The site is unbearable. It brakes constantly. I read it regularly, but I haven’t seen it worse for adding site messages.

[Agent_017]

According to Semizorov, “in the next two to two and a half years it is planned to complete work on the instrument and transfer it for serial production.”
Re: - Yes, we don’t have so much time, let the bureaucrats quickly work with papers, and the techies work faster for the deck. The bureaucrats usually eat all the time and Stalin did the right thing, the right weapon is more likely to go to the front !!! We now need a competent breakthrough and even a break from the development of enemies ...

[TIM.555]

Swedish archer is somehow more attractive and the calculation is only 2 people. 20 shots in two and a half minutes. Http: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = WjO0hRQKuuI

[2С5]

... well, nothing is so "ARCHER", smart ...

[Aqela]

For me, one thing is not clear: in the video, the projectile covers the target, and the car next to it didn’t even swing. How can it be when a 155 mm ammunition hits? Or does computer editing continue to work wonders?

[njvlin]

In accordance with the rules of the SITE yesterday (6.02.2016/1936/XNUMX) I made an amendment to the link to the STERN magazine (you wrote "izanie" made an amendment to the "edition"). You didn't react to spelling mistakes. But (note. Academician Ushakov's dictionary "Russian language" edition of XNUMX) to any excuse trash you react (in the Old Slavonic alphabet the letter "FETA") is interpreted unambiguously.

[Aqela]

Pepper letters of the Slavic alphabet:

az
beech trees
lead
verb
good
Yes
live
green
Earth
others (8-decimal)
and (decimal)
how
people
think
наш
he
peace
rtsy
word
firmly
uk
firth

omega
chi
worm
sha
schA
ep
ery
ery
ay
ю
And iotated
E iotated
Small us
Big us
yus small iotated
yus big iotated
xi
ps
fita
mortar

You speak:

But (note. Academician Ushakov's dictionary "Russian language" edition of 1936) to any excuse trash you react (in the Old Slavonic alphabet the letter "FETA") is interpreted unambiguously.

Pliz: the letter FETA and its interpretation by Ushakov - to the studio !!!

[Cat man null]

Quote: Aqela

Pliz: the letter FETA and its interpretation by Ushakov - to the studio !!!

Over-the-top things are remembered, the campaign ..

And they started with something: "The combat module of the Zauralets-D self-propelled gun has passed the next stage of preliminary tests"

A flight of thought .. no words .. I put a pilus there, no longer given, my apologies

[Lator kron]

Interesting self-propelled gun +)
Only now the deadlines are running out, we do not have two year olds, then here the war breaks out.

[Orionvit]

Quote: vanya

money from the state dofiga? Why airborne vehicles are different from the ground forces.

Due to the specifics of the tasks being solved by the Airborne Forces. The equipment in service with the Airborne Forces has always been different from that in the ground forces. The first and main requirement is mobility and the possibility of landing with a parachute.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Olegi1

Quote: Siberia 9444

It is based on a wolf. Mobile cannon lucky shells and calculation is a smart thing

And what will the experts say about the wheeled chassis? Something I doubt that it is for the Airborne Forces that the wheels are better than the tracks ...

The wheeled chassis is much simpler and cheaper.

[magirus401]

And who dug up where it’s mastered for the Airborne Forces, maybe for a construction battalion, to drive for vodka in a general store, and a gun for sellers

[alexander 2]

Something 2C7 "Peony" recalls. But for the airborne.

[WarMachine]

The tests were "quite successful".
A little bit pregnant

[Cobra77]

Explain to me, what the hell is this prodigy? 120mm is nothing. There is "Nona-S". It is clearly more practical and versatile.
Only the 152mm option makes sense. But there is no automatic loader. The deployment time for firing, the rate of fire and leaving the position will clearly not be like Nona’s. UVN is nothing. It will be impossible to shoot directly.

[partizan86]

It has an increased firing range and ammo power. Of course, this seems to be the minimum size of a projectile into which a nuclear charge can be shoved.

[Dimon-chik-79]

Really, why is this a miracle of the Airborne Forces?!? There is the wheeled Nona-SVK, the tracked Nona, Khosta, maybe Vienna! Some kind of nonsense. Apparently they don’t count money in the defense industry; in terms of nomenclature they have already surpassed the USSR. Very few things actually go into series, but a lot have been developed, which are produced in little pieces; armored personnel carriers alone can’t be counted.

[Vitale]

Quote: Naum

It is also not intended for direct fire.

For direct fire, the Airborne Forces have the Sprut-SD

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: Vitail

Quote: Naum

It is also not intended for direct fire.

For direct fire, the Airborne Forces have the Sprut-SD

And if Octopus isn’t nearby, then what? Or should we keep him nearby on purpose?

[Diviz]

Complex cornet add

[ivanovbg]

What about "Wolf"?

[Gippo]

How tired you are with your “Nona”!
Is it difficult to understand the difference between a smooth-bore mortar and a full-fledged rifled gun?
What the hell is direct fire? Have you seen the movie again?
Victims of EGE...I'm afraid for Russia, by God.
There are no brains at all, but aplomb and self-confidence are through the roof.

[bannik]

In general, sorry, I do not agree with the current concept of developing the firepower of the Airborne Forces. Why carry multi-ton howitzers and self-propelled guns when there are new technologies for hitting the same targets with other ammunition. The target is hit not by the gun, but by the projectile! Yes, in general, this projectile may be more expensive, but for the Airborne Forces, taking into account delivery, it will be much cheaper.

[LenaHink]

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[LenaHink]

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[kplayer]

Quote: Artem Shlykov

The airborne divisions and artillery regiments always had airborne divisions.

I confirm with what I have at hand. Scheme from the English Wiki, with NATO topographical symbols for designating formations of military branches and services. The scheme as of 2007, then (until 2013) the 11th and 83rd airborne brigades and the 56th airborne brigade were subordinated to the corresponding military districts where they were stationed. Since 2015, on the basis of the 31st Airborne Brigade, the 104th Guards Airborne Division has been formed, the 45th separate Special Forces regiment has been reorganized into a separate Special Forces brigade.

* Anti-aircraft battalions should be understood as equivalent anti-aircraft divisions.

Table of states of the standard odshbr SA sample 1979 (http://desantura.ru/articles/25705/ Table No. 17).

These states existed until 1987-88, then they converted 1 out of 4 infantry fighting vehicles to BMD. We are interested in the artillery division (ADN), where there is a battery of 6 122-mm MLRS BM-21V (9K54) "Grad-V" based on the GAZ-66, if we talk about rocket artillery, and 3 batteries of 122-mm howitzers D- 30 (barrel artillery), MLRS and howitzers were not in the parachute regiments (here, and in the infantry fighting infantry battalions, batteries of the 120-mm self-propelled gun "Nona-S") of the divisions; these artillery systems were concentrated in the artillery regiments of these same divisions, namely in the direct support division (18 D-30) and the mixed general support division (12 D-30, 6 BM-21V). By the way, by order of S.K. Shoigu in 2013, the D-30 remained only in the Airborne Forces and the 56th Airborne Brigade, at that time subordinate to the Southern Military District (http://izvestia.ru/news/545693).

The specifics of the Airborne Forces are determined by their capabilities, in d.s. not the other way around, like some (type capabilities are determined by specifics):

Quote: Grandfather Luka

It turns out airborne artillery troops.
To hammer across areas, so what does the Airborne Forces have to do with it, for this art there is both a barrel and a reactive one.

More opportunities are welcome and that's okay. One should not confuse with the specifics of the Airborne Forces the limited transport and transport-landing capabilities of the Airborne Forces, which affect their autonomy in terms of supplies of materiel and technical equipment (ammunition, fuels and lubricants, food, medicine, etc.), as if these capabilities were artificially limited by unnecessary. Alternatively, the specifics are determined by the tasks and composition of the landing force, respectively; if the Airborne Forces could take more heavy weapons and armored vehicles (including artillery systems), they would no doubt do so, but they have to prioritize between long-range weapons (howitzers, MLRS) and assault weapons ( guns: 120 mm 2S9, 125 mm 2S25, 30/100 mm BMD, and even anti-aircraft 23 mm ZU-23-2 on the BTR-D), still in both cases the airborne forces are inferior to motorized rifle and tank formations.