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The combat module self-propelled guns "Zauralets-D" passed the next stage of preliminary tests

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The tests of the Zauralets-D self-propelled artillery gun (SAO) developed for the Russian Airborne Forces have been quite successful, said TsNIITOCHMASH general director Dmitry Semizorov.




“Were conducted tests of the combat module of this gun. They were quite successful, proving the possibility of fulfilling the requirements that were laid down by the customer. We received a number of comments on the revision of this tool and are now actively engaged in this ”, quotes MIC head of the company.

According to Semizorov, “in the next two to two and a half years it is planned to complete work on the instrument and transfer it for serial production.”

Earlier it was reported that the project creates two self-propelled guns - with a weapon 120 and 152 mm. It is noted that "the last caliber is characterized by an increased range of fire and the power of ammunition."
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  1. Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 7 February 2016 13: 22 New
    63
    Gorgeous, isn't it? smile Glory to the Airborne Forces!
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 7 February 2016 13: 27 New
      -34 qualifying.
      If they try in Syria ..... Then I understand! And so, just interesting! On the basis of a tiger, obviously expensive ... hi
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 7 February 2016 13: 33 New
        -4
        So it’s not a tiger, but Tafun - isn’t it?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0Hi1hD0fI
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 7 February 2016 15: 53 New
          +4
          Read more about this and other innovations for the Airborne Forces
          http://29palms.ru/index.php?link=blog&action=showblog&blog=4301
          1. user
            user 8 February 2016 13: 33 New
            0
            If it is possible to make 152 mm self-propelled guns according to mass-dimensional data, this will be a completely different level of airborne artillery.
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        3. Bochik
          Bochik 7 February 2016 16: 50 New
          +9
          Quote: Misha Honest
          So it’s not a tiger, but Tafun - isn’t it?

          On the VPK-39373 "VOLK-3" chassis.
      2. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 7 February 2016 13: 35 New
        58
        It is based on a wolf. Mobile cannon lucky shells and calculation is a smart thing
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 7 February 2016 14: 32 New
          +8
          Quote: Siberia 9444
          It is based on a wolf. Mobile cannon lucky shells and calculation is a smart thing

          ... and even a caliber of 152 mm. in project ... good
          1. Arh
            Arh 7 February 2016 15: 05 New
            +5
            And like a machine with a gun !!!)))
          2. Throw
            Throw 7 February 2016 16: 38 New
            19
            If 152mm, then the support coulter is even more powerful.
            Otherwise, the "Wolf" sirloin will fall off laughing
            1. 2С5
              2С5 8 February 2016 05: 32 New
              +4
              ... well, this is unlikely, the artillery unit with an 8-meter cannon weighs about 6 tons, which means a 3-meter version of 2,5-3 tons + base plate ... in general, ALL artillery unit stands on ONE rod and is fastened with ONE nut (!! !) on the move, so as not to telepathize, it is additionally fixed with a "basting" (a kind of two-half clamp) located in the command room ... so you don't have to worry about the "filet", I think, although I have "basting" on this machine and did not see it, but the 3-meter barrel will probably lie in the "bed" and will not go anywhere ... there the design engineers work and our relatives, domestic, all force majeure and quirks are provided for wink
              1. Aqela
                Aqela 10 February 2016 12: 44 New
                0
                Just what will be the range with a 3-meter trunk? Super duper or what? The same 160-mm mortar will come out on a new wheelbase. It’s also not bad, but you still don’t have to talk about an airmobile six-inch howitzer.
            2. Aqela
              Aqela 15 February 2016 21: 34 New
              0
              What is characteristic, sirloin threatens to fall off quickly and completely! laughing
          3. 2С5
            2С5 7 February 2016 19: 38 New
            11
            ... 152 finally can you do it! He served on "Acacia" and "Hyacinth", a lot of impressions and all extremely positive ... good Is it a joke that an active-reactive 33 km bullet and a shell with YaBG in the appendage on each machine ... wink Respect us, p "and" n "d" o "s" s! And then .. angry
            1. mult-65
              mult-65 7 February 2016 19: 52 New
              +4
              And I happened to be on both, C and B, "Hyacinths".
              1. 2С5
                2С5 7 February 2016 20: 30 New
                -1
                ... shake hands, colleague wink good
        2. Vadim_2
          Vadim_2 7 February 2016 20: 10 New
          +4
          This is the implementation of a sabotage complex, which was previously done "on the knee" - somehow they fixed a mortar in a truck.
      3. Homo
        Homo 7 February 2016 13: 57 New
        45
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        If they test in Syria ..... Then I understand!

        And since all previous years, technology has not been tested in Syria, so it sucks? Well done! Iron logic! soldier
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 7 February 2016 14: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: Homo
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          If they test in Syria ..... Then I understand!

          And since all previous years, technology has not been tested in Syria, so it sucks? Well done! Iron logic! soldier

          laughing Come on, don’t find fault!
        2. tasey
          tasey 7 February 2016 18: 50 New
          +3
          And don't tell me, colleague .... If the Strategic Missile Forces have never "fired" in a real war, all missiles are also junk !?
        3. Aqela
          Aqela 15 February 2016 21: 38 New
          0
          Well, for example, the same T-55, T-62, T-72 tanks in Syria have run in quite a lot ... And the T-34, T-44, T-54/55 - in the Balkans, in Vietnam, in Egypt ... Options to continue to continue? I think that of all the tanks, only the T-90 and T-72B3 were not tested. There is even nothing to say about artillery. And the D-30 didn’t fire at all in Antarctica, in my opinion ... request what
          PySy: By the way, grandfather Lenin used to say:
          Practice is the criterion of truth!

          And the role of the experiment in scientific knowledge is noted in all serious works. Has anyone canceled this? You must admit me by this hussar attack afflicted. It seems sane men ... sad
      4. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 7 February 2016 15: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Based on a tiger, obviously expensive ...

        Those. need to do on the basis of a bicycle?
        1. Aqela
          Aqela 15 February 2016 21: 43 New
          0
          And what's so funny?
          http://topwar.ru/60821-motoroller-sau-vespa-150-tap.html
          Vespa 150 TAP (FR. ACMA Troupes Aeról Portées Mle. 56) - Vespa scooter with 75-mm recoilless gun M-20, developed for the needs of the French Airborne Forces in 1956.

          Even more
          It is curious that the French troops actively used the Vespa 150 TAP in the battles in Indochina and Algeria in the early 1950s. The novelty received the nickname "Besuka Vespa" in the troops. In total, the French army ordered and bought from the manufacturer about 800 of these scooters.
      5. lukke
        lukke 7 February 2016 15: 44 New
        +1
        Based on a tiger, obviously expensive
        ))) Mikhalych))) - it’s good that I didn’t even put it on the URAL motorcycle.
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      7. PKK
        PKK 7 February 2016 17: 21 New
        +6
        I don’t see something about the autoloader. Of course, it has everything, mobility, fast folding, movement protection, will run away from the chase. But now this is not enough, still stationary shooting is not welcome now In the future, in the near future, the answer will arrive immediately, maybe do not have time to escape. As an inventor, I would add shooting on the move or from short stops. I will accept the cons with understanding.
        1. tasey
          tasey 7 February 2016 19: 03 New
          +2
          Sergeant Major .... this is for the Airborne Forces, not for the infantry. what "answer" !?
          1. Aqela
            Aqela 10 February 2016 12: 59 New
            0
            A shell, a rocket, an aerial bomb ... Still, the 21st century is in the yard. Infantry still "poke" less, travel more, "motopate", artillery reconnaissance and counter-battery warfare systems are also developing.
        2. 2С5
          2С5 7 February 2016 19: 44 New
          +3
          ... the self-propelled gun does not work on the move, not a tank, after all ... especially such as this instance and the 2S5 in which loading is possible only from the "street" ... and with such a caliber (152), a car weighing 27 tons is normal when fired throws, and on the move, the consequence will most likely be artillery units, and most likely the crew too ...
        3. 2С5
          2С5 7 February 2016 19: 53 New
          +4
          I don’t watch something

          ... on the 2C5 there is such an automatic loader ("snail" in military use) that somehow it turned out faster with hands and a hand rammer, but in 2C3 a cellular ammunition rack with a conveyor and the same "snail" is very effective ... more powerful and generally gorgeous SPG will turn out ... although it is possible that we have modernized something since 1990, we fought on cars of the year that way 85-87, according to the form, practically new ...
        4. Samoyed
          Samoyed 7 February 2016 22: 03 New
          -4
          And some kind of battery-compensator recoil? Dumb-idle in the opposite direction?
          1. 2С5
            2С5 8 February 2016 05: 39 New
            +2
            ... the muzzle brake is that up front on the barrel extinguishes up to 53% of recoil plus anti-recoil devices, consisting of a hydraulic recoil brake and a hydropneumatic recuperator, these cylinders extinguish up to 45% of recoil on the breech, but at different temperatures the performance varies ... .karoch work on the principle of shock absorber
            1. Aqela
              Aqela 10 February 2016 13: 03 New
              0
              It sounds really cool and scientific. I just think that the muzzle brake and exhaust around gives no joke. Gunpowder smoke in the face - not really somehow, if not self-propelled, of course ... This is to the fact that for the 120 mm it seems justified, but about the 152 mm it looks like nonsense. Or is it a repetition of the exploits of Kurchevsky with his 305 mm recoilless?
        5. Alf
          Alf 8 February 2016 00: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: PKK
          As an inventor, I would add shooting on the move or from short stops. I will accept the cons with understanding.

          Cons put to others, but you have a completely normal question. The answer is this - can you say in which direction this instance will move after a shot in motion? I think that no one can predict this, but the fact that he will fly off the trajectory is a fact.
          1. 2С5
            2С5 8 February 2016 05: 42 New
            +2
            ... and the artillery part will fly off if you shoot in the movement ... it is fixed to the base on one rod with one nut (at least 2C5 I don’t think at all that the designers will be tricky), so it will come off if do not lead to a combat position, that is, do not lower the stove if ...
        6. alexander 2
          alexander 2 8 February 2016 02: 04 New
          +1
          I'm not an expert, but still. This is a tool for the Airborne Forces, which means there are restrictions on mass. You can not push such a caliber into a self-propelled gun and not exceed the maximum weight. It is just designed for shooting from short stops. It is not necessary, like trailed artillery, to collapse and deploy. Shot a couple of times and change position. Moreover, in motion, the calculation is protected from bullets and fragments.
        7. Aqela
          Aqela 10 February 2016 12: 56 New
          0
          I put a well-deserved plus.
          In my opinion, the maximum that can be used on this base is a 120-122 mm gun. A further increase in caliber will drastically make the artillery system heavier or more expensive (more precisely, both!), And a 50-kg 152-mm projectile is not very easy to leave ... Hence the conclusions: 1) it means that there will be low accuracy (short barrel, a lightweight base, a flimsy gun stabilization system, problems with aiming equipment and precise guidance equipment), 2) and there will be a low rate of fire (a heavy projectile without an automatic loader, the need for separate loading and sending a projectile-charge, complication of calculations for selecting the power of a variable charge, trajectory projectile and other). All this is extremely critical for mobile types of troops. In this case, it looks more profitable to use mobile MLRS when increasing the power: shamlnul -> fled without waiting for a "response" ...
      8. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly 7 February 2016 17: 45 New
        0
        ON BASIS Merca will not be cheaper wassat
      9. Gadzilla
        Gadzilla 7 February 2016 20: 16 New
        0
        Mikhalych so overtake ... well, neither of which we will survive))
    2. kurs66
      kurs66 7 February 2016 14: 54 New
      +6
      Glory to the airborne gunners is probably applicable to this article) without it, sometimes it’s a little tight for them, I’m happy for the brothers)
    3. Grandfather Luka
      Grandfather Luka 7 February 2016 16: 56 New
      -5
      Yes, someone’s fantasy is fine. Of course, I am not a big specialist in this matter, but I just can’t connect, for example, the landing assault group and 152mm. artillery gun. It turns out the airborne artillery troops. Original Apparently, the specifics of the Airborne Forces from the day of foundation has changed very much.
      1. Artem shlykov
        Artem shlykov 7 February 2016 17: 57 New
        +9
        The airborne divisions and artillery regiments always had airborne divisions.
        1. Grandfather Luka
          Grandfather Luka 8 February 2016 13: 16 New
          -4
          In the state of the Airborne divisions, they have never been. This army was formed from various military branches according to the plans of the General Staff.
          The same thing is being done now, only at the brigade level.
          1. Mr. Pip
            Mr. Pip 9 February 2016 17: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: Grandfather Luka
            In the state of the Airborne divisions, they have never been.

            Instead of a thousand words.
            1. Grandfather Luka
              Grandfather Luka 9 February 2016 19: 12 New
              -2
              Thank you, very clearly, I accept. One question: in the units of fire support, the military personnel, what epaulets of what arms were they wearing?
              1. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 9 February 2016 20: 26 New
                0
                I served in the 98th division, in BuiAR, the commander of the top platoon, the entire division has one shoulder straps - the Airborne Forces! A strange question is the Airborne Division, what other epaulettes can be ???
                1. Grandfather Luka
                  Grandfather Luka 11 February 2016 12: 01 New
                  -1
                  Okay, I give up. It can be seen in our army that anything can happen. It happens when in the Airborne Division are parts of other branches of the army, tankmen, signalmen, artillerymen, sappers, etc. They are also called black-wingers among paratroopers.
                  Thus, an attack force is formed under the divisional command.
                  1. Grandfather Luka
                    Grandfather Luka 11 February 2016 12: 24 New
                    0
                    An example of this is the 103rd Vitebsk Guards Airborne Division 1990-92.
            2. Aqela
              Aqela 10 February 2016 13: 13 New
              0
              Thanks for the shemka. And in the 90s, how was it? Is there infa?
          2. Aqela
            Aqela 10 February 2016 13: 12 New
            0
            Again, I do not understand the abundance of minuses to a sensible remark. Criticism down? Bubbling ... opinions without reason?
            1. Grandfather Luka
              Grandfather Luka 11 February 2016 18: 04 New
              +1
              But here is nothing to understand. A group of imbeciles just dug in here, marshals draw epaulettes for each other, minus the others with or without. Do not pay attention, you are not here for the virtual drovers. Measured with epaulettes, below the dignity of a healthy person.
      2. Aqela
        Aqela 10 February 2016 13: 11 New
        0
        By the way, in my opinion, this is a correct remark. The abundance of "sinuses" in the assessment I believe for thoughtlessness. The use of heavy weapons by airborne groups of the Airborne Forces looks dubious. Let another 203-mm mortar for the Airborne Forces compose and a 180-mm mortar ... There will already be a sapper battalion of the Airborne Forces on its way with heavy earth-mining machines and a pontoon fleet in an airborne-adapted version ...
        Cretinists of the 90s, when any combat-ready unit was designated as "army special forces" due to the complete collapse of other units, is obvious. Now they want to transfer all motorized infantry to the department of Shamanov, who in the old days reduced the airborne divisions to brigades and battalions.
        I ask you not to tell excusable fairy tales about Shamanov - I lived in Ulyanovsk in the year of his active work there and as governor.
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 7 February 2016 17: 19 New
      +2
      Mass rearmament of the army continues. Still, Shoigu brought positive changes to the Ministry of Defense, and everyone sees them. Take under the wing the agency that ruined Ser ***, and raise it. It costs a lot.
      1. jjj
        jjj 7 February 2016 19: 54 New
        +3
        The breech of the gun will especially suffer. And shoot only on mounted? Something somehow seems that the calculation will be inconvenient. Life will show
    5. torp
      torp 7 February 2016 20: 36 New
      +2
      No, not great! Long and not effective! During the war, self-propelled guns were designed in 14 days and they beat the fascists! And they have been designing this thing for about five years now and there is no end in sight!
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 8 February 2016 10: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: torp
        During the war, self-propelled guns were designed in 14 days and they beat the fascists!

        Who designed it in 14 days? An hour, not SU-152, work on which has been conducted since the spring of 1942, with at least 3 KB participating in them?
        It was not designed in 14 days, but completed the design work, issuing documentation for the prototype.
      2. guzik007
        guzik007 8 February 2016 16: 42 New
        +2
        No, not great! Long and not effective! During the war, self-propelled guns were designed in 14 days and they beat the fascists! And they have been designing this thing for about five years now and there is no end in sight!
        ----------------------------------------------------------------------
        One BUT did not notice in the article ?:

        The tests of the combat module of the Zauralets-D self-propelled artillery gun (SAO), developed for the Russian airborne forces, were SUFFICIENTly successful,
        ---------------------------------------------------------------
        That's "enough", it seems. and shifts the deadline.
    6. vanya
      vanya 7 February 2016 21: 03 New
      -13 qualifying.
      money from the state dofiga? Why airborne vehicles are different from the ground forces.
      1. Alf
        Alf 8 February 2016 00: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: vanya
        Why airborne vehicles are different from the ground forces.

        Because the Airborne Forces have other tasks. They need air transport vehicles with great firepower. And since the laws of physics cannot be repealed, we have to save. Most often on booking.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 8 February 2016 10: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Alf
          Because the Airborne Forces have other tasks. They need air transport vehicles with great firepower.

          That is, the standard "Nona" and "Pat-B / S / K" Airborne Forces do not suit? Do you need to fence another unique car?
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 9 February 2016 20: 29 New
            0
            152 mm! Nona does not pull ...
      2. Aqela
        Aqela 10 February 2016 13: 15 New
        0
        They even have small arms, uniforms and shoes are different.
      3. Aqela
        Aqela 15 February 2016 21: 52 New
        0
        By the way, the Airborne Forces also have parachutes that are not allowed for motorized infantry ... belay
    7. GRIGORIY1957
      GRIGORIY1957 8 February 2016 04: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Misha Honest
      Gorgeous, isn't it? smile Glory to the Airborne Forces!

      I agree, cool ...! ! !

      But Quote: "According to Semizorov," in the next two to two and a half years, it is planned to completely finish work on the gun and transfer it for serial production. "

      2-2.5 years before the series is a lot, not forgivably a lot ...

      Given the situation in Ukraine and the tension in the Middle East, Russia
      may just not be ...
  2. denni
    denni 7 February 2016 13: 23 New
    14
    interesting Instance-a kind of hybrid ACS and armored personnel carriers
    1. ksv1973
      ksv1973 7 February 2016 14: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: denni
      interesting Instance-a kind of hybrid ACS and armored personnel carriers

      In fact, it’s just something new in the classification: not a self-propelled gun, nor a towed gun. It would not be a dead end branch ...
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 7 February 2016 14: 54 New
        +8
        Quote: ksv1973
        In fact, it’s just something new in the classification: not a self-propelled gun, nor a towed gun. It would not be a dead end branch ...

        ... judging by the fact that two bases are being considered ... Wolf and BMD 4M ... then we will most likely see in the mountain infantry units to replace the D-30 ... hi
      2. Grandfather Luka
        Grandfather Luka 7 February 2016 17: 37 New
        -9
        I can’t imagine a combat situation in which this thing will be used by airborne troops. Hollowing on the areas, so what does the airborne forces have to do with this art, there is both a barrel and a jet. Use it during the assault, which, in fact, is the purpose of the Airborne Forces, against fortified positions or tanks, direct fire, so the chances of making at least one shot from this miracle will be very small. This is not self-propelled gun, it also needs to be deployed, minimized, this time. Generally a lot of questions.
        1. hawk
          hawk 7 February 2016 18: 46 New
          +6
          All one is better than small-caliber Islamists in Toyota ...
        2. Disant
          Disant 7 February 2016 19: 54 New
          +2
          Dedluka, well, the hare is already airborne to storm the fortified areas. one or the other ...
          1. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka 8 February 2016 08: 57 New
            -3
            Have you even thought about where it can be used as a means of fire support of the Airborne Forces, under the current military doctrine of the Russian Federation, in all areas of military operations of the Russian Armed Forces that are possible in the medium term. Given the fact that this tool is intended for warfare at a considerable distance from the main forces, in the absence of support from artillery and front aviation. In my opinion, the only possible direction, clearly visible, is Istanbul.
            When throwing at Istanbul, the Airborne Forces and Marines will be used, and a powerful self-propelled gun on a light platform will be very useful to them.
          2. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka 8 February 2016 11: 16 New
            -3
            I wonder if there is at least one Airborne Forces in the officer rank here? I doubt it very much. But if there is, do not consider it difficult to explain to the local "artillerymen" the specifics of the tactical use of airborne subunits and related firepower.
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 9 February 2016 17: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Grandfather Luka
              the specifics of the tactical use of amphibious assault forces, and associated fire weapons.

              Not an officer, but I will explain that today it is the conduct of ground, mainly "counter-terrorist" operations.
              Explain why the Airborne Forces, and not motorized infantry?
              1. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 9 February 2016 19: 27 New
                0
                Do a favor.
              2. Grandfather Luka
                Grandfather Luka 11 February 2016 11: 31 New
                -3
                Very informative answer. Conducting land operations. Despite the fact that the airborne are related to land. Maybe it’s better to wait for the officer, he even has the appropriate education.
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        4. 2С5
          2С5 7 February 2016 19: 56 New
          +7
          ... not self-propelled, it also needs to be deployed, minimized ...

          ... and the self-propelled gun, in your opinion, is constantly in a combat position and it is not required to "deploy-collapse"? lol
          1. Grandfather Luka
            Grandfather Luka 8 February 2016 11: 34 New
            0
            Your, directly, self-propelled gun unfolds-folds far behind the front edge of the fighting. Discussed here, it works on the newly occupied bridgehead, providing further promotion (local), or the retention of occupied positions.
        5. Naum
          Naum 7 February 2016 21: 21 New
          +1
          And how to drop it? Only on transport helicopters and landing ships. For direct fire is also not intended. One advantage is high mobility and compactness. By the way - this is a lot.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 7 February 2016 22: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Naum
            .... For direct fire is also not intended ...

            Is not a fact. According to the passport, as I understand it, the cannon can be lowered to -10 degrees, and this is more than enough for direct fire. This is possible with the location of the trunk to the side.
        6. ty60
          ty60 7 February 2016 23: 21 New
          +3
          152 is not an option. 122 maximum. Some suppression tasks can be more quickly solved during the landing process. Because long-range support can not always be brought to the required distance. The idea is promising, technically implemented and finalized. A large amount of physical force limits the rate of fire. Managed ammunition. Point. At key points defense.
      3. Felix
        Felix 7 February 2016 18: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: ksv1973
        Quote: denni
        interesting Instance-a kind of hybrid ACS and armored personnel carriers

        In fact, it’s just something new in the classification: not a self-propelled gun, nor a towed gun. It would not be a dead end branch ...

        I don’t think ... A small-sized machine with high mobility and decent firepower for the Airborne Forces will be very useful.
  3. onix757
    onix757 7 February 2016 13: 23 New
    +5
    According to Semizorov, “in the next two to two and a half years it is planned to complete work on the instrument and transfer it for serial production.”

    In fact, for such a time, nuclear weapons were created, but here the weapon ..
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 7 February 2016 13: 46 New
      +9
      Let's take into account the state of our industry and everything else .. Skepticism is not appropriate here .. By the way, during the war the gun was created in two weeks (using the truth the existing carriage and some nodes)
      Quote: onix757
      According to Semizorov, “in the next two to two and a half years it is planned to complete work on the instrument and transfer it for serial production.”

      In fact, for such a time, nuclear weapons were created, but here the weapon ..
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 7 February 2016 14: 58 New
        +3
        I agree, such terms are not the case. But on the other hand, it means the roasted cock in the ass is not pecking yet, and it pleases.
  4. barclay
    barclay 7 February 2016 13: 26 New
    29
    This is THING !!! He himself served in the artillery of the Airborne Forces. Such a system is very relevant. Especially 152 mm. There was no such caliber in the airborne forces. This will significantly increase the firepower of the troops.
    1. aba
      aba 7 February 2016 14: 07 New
      +9
      Especially 152 mm.

      And if for the Airborne Forces it can still be better than 120 mm?
      Because okromya guns and charges for it are needed, given the remoteness of the actions of the Airborne Forces, and timely replenishment in question, can initially take more with you? After all, you will take 120 mm more than 152 mm with the same layout and volume and weight. wink
      1. barclay
        barclay 7 February 2016 14: 25 New
        10
        For remote actions, just 120 mm will be left. As recent history shows, the Airborne Forces do not always operate at large distances. Shamanov won already announced tank companies to strengthen the airborne forces. And this novelty will still need to learn how to drop. And if not, then it can be delivered by landing method. It all depends on the specific task and environment.
        1. aba
          aba 7 February 2016 15: 36 New
          +6
          If from this angle, then why not - only for 152 mm! fellow
        2. Aqela
          Aqela 15 February 2016 21: 58 New
          0
          Yeah. Exactly. You can also bring a 152-mm "flower". Just a question:
          What does the Airborne Forces have to do with it?
          Just shamans stupidly everything rows for itself. By the way, Shoigu, at one time, also did armed units in the Ministry of Emergencies. So what? This stupidly indicates the lack of hope for combat effectiveness and mobility of combined arms. sad request
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 15 February 2016 22: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Aqela
            combat effectiveness and mobility of combined arms.

            Um .. if you mean the brigade from Teply Stan (Moscow, yes) - they were all okay .. with mobility .. in 1986 there were 80 GTDs ..

            Quote: Aqela
            This stupidly indicates a lack of hope for combat effectiveness and mobility of combined arms

            In a war, if there is (God forbid) - there will be no time to move there already .. and no one ..

            Something like this..
      2. Old
        Old 7 February 2016 14: 59 New
        +2
        Sure! The supply of ammunition to the airborne forces operating behind enemy lines is a separate task. 150mm is not an airborne caliber. Each shot weighs three times more. If it was necessary to increase the power of Arta, it was always decided by the "seconded" forces.
  5. bykoffroman
    bykoffroman 7 February 2016 13: 28 New
    -4
    Judging by the photograph, the loader should be a two meter giant rocking.
    1. 24rus
      24rus 7 February 2016 13: 30 New
      +3
      He will stand on the ramp
      1. BIGLESHIY
        BIGLESHIY 7 February 2016 13: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: 24rus
        He will stand on the ramp

        Which ramp? Think the ramp in the photo? No it's not a ramp. It's a bipod.
        It’s interesting, but can this self-propelled gun land? And wasn’t it easier to do on the basis of the BMD? And what is in the boxes on the sides of the trunk and what is the volume behind the cabin?
        1. Avantageur
          Avantageur 7 February 2016 18: 52 New
          0
          Quote: BIGLESHIY
          I wonder if this self-propelled gun can land?

          Yes, for both options, a prerequisite is the possibility of landing. The caterpillar base (BMD-4M) has already been tested, the wheeled version (Wolf-3) is also adapted.


        2. 2С5
          2С5 7 February 2016 20: 08 New
          0
          ... the base plate is ... the volume behind the cockpit is most likely an ammunition rack and a compartment for calculation, and which "boxes" you mean, I don't catch up with something request
          1. BIGLESHIY
            BIGLESHIY 8 February 2016 15: 08 New
            0
            Quote: 2C5
            , and what "boxes" do you mean, I don't catch up with request

            Those between which the gun is placed in the stowed position.
            About the volume behind the cab, I also first thought about the calculation, but there are no doors, it’s not through the driver’s door to climb.
            And the big minus is that this self-propelled gun will not be able to fire direct fire.
    2. avt
      avt 7 February 2016 13: 36 New
      13
      Quote: bykoffroman
      Judging by the photograph, the loader should be a two meter giant rocking.

      Another thing is more interesting - her - "Nonu K" on such an installation, which is shown in the photo in the article, can be somehow deployed according to the characteristics that the towed version has -
      The angle of vertical guidance, deg. -10 / + 80
      The angle of horizontal guidance, deg. -30 / + 30
      Well, probably on the horizon -do. And vertically ?? After all, the meaning of the advantage over a simple mortar is then lost by the designers and reduced to a banal 120mm mortar mounted on the chassis, and the question arises - What then is the city?
      1. 2С5
        2С5 7 February 2016 20: 09 New
        +1
        ... after all, a rifled barrel will be somehow more accurate than a mortar ..
      2. Aqela
        Aqela 15 February 2016 22: 03 New
        0
        No, comrade, allow me! But what about the sacred dough cut?? wassat
        In addition, adaptation to the 152 mm looks generally ... well, a strange thing. They wanted to do this for the D-30 before 1991, under the USSR, in a much more powerful scientific and production base. And what? belay 1990-2015 ... Where are the results ??? request
    3. Forest
      Forest 7 February 2016 13: 44 New
      +3
      The wolf is low, 2100 on the roof.
    4. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly 7 February 2016 17: 48 New
      0
      in the Airborne Forces are all ..
    5. 2С5
      2С5 7 February 2016 20: 03 New
      +4
      ...yah! 152mm projectile 46kg and charge 12-16kg, the breech is high only when firing direct fire, and when working on distant hidden targets, loading is more or less comfortable, if it is manually, and if an automatic charger is installed, then finally no problem, throw it into baskets, a projectile-charge, and then "a matter of technology" - will raise and charge good
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 15 February 2016 22: 04 New
        0
        The Raseian land is rich in 2-meter pitching! laughing
  6. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 7 February 2016 13: 31 New
    +6
    An interesting machine .. The main thing is to be suitable for landing, and this is the weight and dimensions. Judging by the photo, this copy is not much longer than the "Tiger"
    1. st25310
      st25310 7 February 2016 17: 03 New
      +9

      Here is a comparison of a wolf with a tiger. Plus the wolf is modular and with mine protection.
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 15 February 2016 22: 10 New
        0
        The carrying capacity of the "Wolf" is 2,5 tons with a mass of up to 7,5 tons + 2 tons of art (1 ton - barrel + knurlers + haul-offs + jacks and bipods ...) + ammunition, for at least 20 shells (60 kg shell + charge = 1200 kg). In short, the entire artillery system for the "Wolf" will be just unbearable.
  7. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 13: 32 New
    26
    I have always been a supporter of the deployment of artillery guns on all-terrain vehicles. In self-made conditions, like African countries, this is cheap and cheerful. And if the authoritative company TsNIITOCHMASH is engaged in development, this is a double-well-made solution. The Chinese from NORINCO also arm their paratroopers with 122 mm.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 February 2016 18: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      .Chinese from NORINCO also arm their paratroopers 122 mm.

      Another "Chinese"
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 7 February 2016 18: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: RUSS
        Another "Chinese"

        And a couple more whales.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 20: 18 New
          +5
          Quote: RUSS
          And a couple more whales.
          Oh, Our "Cornflower" was stolen))))) But after the Chinese "Iskander" I was no longer surprised))))
  8. newcomer
    newcomer 7 February 2016 13: 32 New
    +9
    good model. nothing has been published on this topic in the past few months. and now successfully tested. happy for our airborne.
  9. Izotovp
    Izotovp 7 February 2016 13: 33 New
    +3
    And this instance is on a wheeled chassis, but for the Airborne Forces, however, a goose is preferable.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 7 February 2016 14: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: Izotovp
      And this instance is on a wheeled chassis, but for the Airborne Forces, however, a goose is preferable.

      It's no secret, and they wrote about it in the public domain that two chassis options are being considered.
      One of which is tracked, unified with the BMD-4M. And this is logical, it turns out an excellent line: BMD-4M, "Shell" with its non-linear versions, and finally ACS.
      But so far it’s this photograph based on the Wolf that is being propagated on all sites. Although the Wolf is being straightened for a year and the end-edge is not visible, in any case the layman ...
    2. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly 7 February 2016 17: 52 New
      +2
      for Europe, the very fact, there are roads "GUD"
  10. Bongo
    Bongo 7 February 2016 13: 34 New
    11
    Can a direct artillery fire this artillery system?
    1. Bochik
      Bochik 7 February 2016 17: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Bongo
      Can a direct artillery fire this artillery system?

      Vertical angles from -10 to +80, horizontal 60.
  11. In..
    In.. 7 February 2016 13: 34 New
    +7
    This is a miracle based on the Wolf.
  12. magirus401
    magirus401 7 February 2016 13: 37 New
    15
    Quote: bykoffroman
    Judging by the photograph, the loader should be a two meter giant rocking.

    And in the Airborne Forces, squish 150cm tall?
  13. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 7 February 2016 13: 39 New
    +6
    The club of the airborne forces will not be bad, very mobile and lethal. And the fact that it’s on wheels is for flat areas, but it can also be delivered on caterpillar tracks.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 7 February 2016 13: 40 New
    +4
    If you still learn to drop in a place with BMD-3, the price of this gun will not be
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 February 2016 13: 44 New
    10
    Originally they attached "Nona"! In itself, a light weapon of such precision and of such a caliber is an extremely valuable thing, especially considering the work with enemy ammunition (and where can we get ours behind enemy lines?). This is the Airborne Forces.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 7 February 2016 14: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      (and where in the rear of our enemy?)

      If you search well, then in RD you will not find it either!
  16. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 13: 54 New
    +5
    If this is a real example of a self-propelled gun, then its range of fire is very small, although on the Internet they say that it is increased, probably in comparison with the "Nona", because barrel length is only about 3 meters (with a caliber of 120 mm). The T-72 tank with a caliber of 125 mm. barrel length 6 meters. Another thing is that it can be used as a howitzer. And there are also disadvantages - the crew is not protected by anything in battle and there is no mechanization of loading, which means the rate of fire is low and an additional transport (vehicle) is needed for boxes with shells. The mechanisms of the gun are also not protected from shrapnel and bullet damage.
    1. 2С5
      2С5 7 February 2016 20: 14 New
      +1
      ... well, everything seems to be in the ammunition compartment without boxes, but arranging transportation is already another matter ... I wonder what kind of loading there is or not and the number of transportable ammunition is also a mystery ... request
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 7 February 2016 20: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: 2C5
        ..... I wonder what kind of loading there is separate or not, and the number of carried BC is also a mystery ... request


        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 10 February 2016 18: 58 New
          0
          Once again, crap with minusers ....
          To the question of whether or not to charge separately, I publish a photo where it is all visible.
          I get 3 pluses (this is understandable: someone reading the topic received additional information and he did not have to surf the Internet himself).
          And also get a 1-in minus. The question is, what does the minusator disagree with? With the fact that the ammunition can not figure out what it is? so it’s not for me to put a minus, but for myself, because I’m not able to figure it out in the Internet and read what it is.
          For a retarded comrade, I explain: in the photo, on the right are two 120-caliber mortar mines that our NONA can shoot. The firing range of these mines depends on the angle of the barrel and washers with gunpowder, which are hung on the mine itself. On the left (2 pieces), the shells that fire in the same way as the mines differ only in that they have more explosives, a higher propellant charge, and there are also pre-cut rifles (at the bottom of the shell, for stabilization by rotation), which Allows you not to spend extra energy on cutting this business at the time of the shot.
          Medium ammunition - a projectile guided after firing.

          Correct me if I am mistaken.
  17. electrooleg
    electrooleg 7 February 2016 13: 57 New
    -22 qualifying.
    In my opinion, such a configuration of a gun on a three-axle dump truck is worthy of 1945. In the 21st century, it looks like a piece of shit, sorry. And what does the Airborne Forces have to do with it? This clunker can go down with a parachute and stay intact or what?
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 7 February 2016 17: 37 New
      +2
      This clunker can go down with a parachute and stay intact or what ?,
      probably that you have not heard about parachute platforms.
    2. Aqela
      Aqela 15 February 2016 22: 14 New
      0
      SHUSHPANTSERS and VUNDERWAFLES fellow Who does not believe - look at the reports from Ukraine. There, at the local MTS and field rembases, they still do not compose laughing fellow
  18. Skym
    Skym 7 February 2016 14: 00 New
    +1
    Good news! Keep it up!
  19. Hauptam
    Hauptam 7 February 2016 14: 01 New
    0
    The chassis alignment must be visible. There is BMD 4M, Shell-on their base do, why introduce a ragdoll. And how will the T64, T72, T 80 come out with the tanks, all are "Equally different" in terms of maintenance, training, repair.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 14: 29 New
      +1
      There are two options: the first is a combat module, which can be based on a new base chassis unified with the BMD-4 M (the Shell Shell was also created on its base), the second is on the chassis of the wheeled armored car VPK-39373 "Wolf-3." option not voiced, both are in development.
      Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/120-wolf-3/ OVT “WEAPONS OF THE FATHERLANDS” AVKarpenko
  20. barclay
    barclay 7 February 2016 14: 02 New
    +3
    It just wouldn’t work like with the "Vienna", which was created for the marines. It is not clear why it was not adopted, but the party was sold to Azerbaijan.
  21. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 7 February 2016 14: 03 New
    0
    We ourselves create problems by producing a variety of cars, platforms, and komplekses — just develop and then think how to use it, why? Well, then put a mortar and an anti-aircraft gun on this chassis, and you can hang anti-tank missiles ..
    1. barclay
      barclay 7 February 2016 15: 42 New
      +8
      In this case, I do not see any problem. This is a combat module that can be based on different chassis. And the tests are not yet completed, and the final conclusions are still far away. Personally, I see a certain technical progress of our military designers and engineers. And God forbid that this process would not stop (in the sense of creating new samples).
  22. electrooleg
    electrooleg 7 February 2016 14: 07 New
    -16 qualifying.
    Who slapped me cons - explain your position immediately! If nothing had been invented, but simply towed by a trailer an ordinary gun, then it can still be uncoupled and shelter made for an ambush. And with such an integral design, this is all difficult. And in addition, as already said, the calculation is also outside, nothing new.
    1. black
      black 7 February 2016 15: 57 New
      14
      It is immediately clear that you watched the war on TV. During the fighting, I saw only mortar men near the front line. And when the trunks are working, you can only hear the rustling of suitcases overhead. And if the "colleagues" artillerymen are covered with a large caliber, your defense will not help much there. Well, he will scatter everyone, but he will smear someone on the shield.
      1. electrooleg
        electrooleg 7 February 2016 17: 43 New
        -11 qualifying.
        So this barrel is not very long-range and it is, and the very far rear is not about this gun. And even if we consider that the towed gun is no better and no worse in terms of protection and use, then why was it necessary to reinvent the wheel? After all, the grandmother spent.
        1. barclay
          barclay 7 February 2016 18: 14 New
          11
          A self-propelled gun is always more mobile than a towed one. The transfer time from traveling to combat is much shorter. There is also another point for engineers - is to find additional applications for our new wheeled armored vehicles. There is a search and this is good. And grandmas spent on a very specific job.
          1. electrooleg
            electrooleg 7 February 2016 22: 35 New
            -8
            There unload shells on the ground. And charge from the ground. How much does a 152 mm shell weigh? How many shells need to be unloaded to the ground? Where to go unrefired if they remained on the ground and need to leave? Everything that you write would make sense when automatically loading and shooting without leaving the car. And about the engineers and the additional meaning, this is nonsense, first make a sample and then look for him to use.
  23. Hey
    Hey 7 February 2016 14: 13 New
    11
    For me, this tool is interested in the loading process. From the earth? From a car? Or is there any semi-automatic loading?
    So far, for me, there is some kind of violation in the logic of actions for calculating.
    I'll try to explain.
    If you charge from the ground, then you need to unload - and this is an extra operation. Again 3-5 shots and you have to tick.
    From a car. And it’s inconvenient to take and do not take an extra turn with your hand, since you are coming from the direction of the barrel.
    Maybe there is at least some kind of "one-armed" manipulator for loading from a car. But I did not notice this in the photo.
    To be honest, I don’t like something here, it’s not convenient, it’s not handy like that.
    Okay, another 120 mm is one weight, and if 152 mm, spin with such ingots. In addition, ammunition unitary or separate loading?
    1. barclay
      barclay 7 February 2016 14: 59 New
      +6
      Definitely, separate charging, with the possibility of forming the desired charge.
    2. ty60
      ty60 7 February 2016 23: 35 New
      0
      152 only separate
  24. molyr
    molyr 7 February 2016 14: 19 New
    0
    beautiful car turned
  25. TARAS BULBA
    TARAS BULBA 7 February 2016 14: 27 New
    +3
    For airborne assault units, the wheeled delivery method is more mobile and quieter) Especially on the land of the railway and on ships by water (Abkhazia) or air (Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan) but with the preliminary seizure of aero and other ports. Remember Yugoslavia on "jibs" there ours on the asphalt would not have reached so quickly. And those who arrived on wheels had only armored personnel carriers. Without art, you must admit they were not comfortable)
  26. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 7 February 2016 14: 41 New
    +3
    Oh, and the inventive pranksters are our defenders! You can also come up with a donkey backpack tool and walk in camouflage in the mountains of Armenia on the border with Turkey. wassat
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 15 February 2016 22: 18 New
      0
      And what? Has anyone canceled mountain cannons? Mortar packs were not invented?
  27. kurs66
    kurs66 7 February 2016 14: 58 New
    +5
    Is she interested in circular shelling ??? After all, they can be thrown to the rear behind the enemy, but there is no time at all for the OP, the D-30 in this regard very successfully fit into the airborne forces
    1. 2С5
      2С5 7 February 2016 20: 18 New
      +2
      60 degrees across the horizon ... from 10 to 2 hours, if easier wink
  28. TOR2
    TOR2 7 February 2016 14: 59 New
    +2
    Time obliges to transform military achievements into the civilian sector. For example, on the basis of this combat module, create a module for drilling and pipe laying.
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 7 February 2016 15: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: TOR2
      Time obliges to transform military achievements into the civilian sector. For example, on the basis of this combat module, create a module for drilling and pipe laying.

      ... have long been offered ... hi
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 15 February 2016 22: 20 New
        0
        Yeah. A delivery truck based on the T-72 is not expected?
    2. Fat
      Fat 7 February 2016 15: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: TOR2
      Time obliges to transform military achievements into the civilian sector. For example, on the basis of this combat module, create a module for drilling and pipe laying.

      The thought creeps in that the device in the photo in the article was originally designed as a drill, its operation as a tool is inconvenient. Chinese version is more interesting
  29. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 7 February 2016 15: 01 New
    +6
    The Swedes (if I’m not mistaken) have a long-range howitzer on a car platform, watched a video, how they shoot, inspire. Quickly shot and fell, look for her later. And ours, since ours, should be simpler, more convenient and better.
    1. Professor
      Professor 7 February 2016 15: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      The Swedes (if I’m not mistaken) have a long-range howitzer on a car platform, watched a video, how they shoot, inspire. Quickly shot and fell, look for her later


      White sneakers included. wink

      PS
      I did not see a radar or other device for determining the initial velocity of the projectile on the Zauralts-D. request
      1. Kars
        Kars 7 February 2016 15: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: Professor
        White sneakers included.

        It would be better to make blacks pitching)
        1. Professor
          Professor 7 February 2016 15: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          It would be better to make blacks pitching)

          What for? There are not many men required. Here, the main thing is to release 3 shells in 30 seconds and tear, and run faster in sneakers. bully
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 7 February 2016 15: 47 New
            +6
            Yes, this Israeli disgrace called ATMOS no one even needs the Israeli army lol
            So another way to steal money from the budget.
          2. Kars
            Kars 7 February 2016 15: 54 New
            10
            Quote: Professor
            There are not many men required. Here, the main thing is to release the 3 shell in 30 seconds and tear,

            155 mm shells are not light, so the blacks are handy.
            1. Professor
              Professor 7 February 2016 16: 02 New
              -2
              Quote: Kars
              155 mm shells are not light, so the blacks are handy.

              The Azerbaijanis did not complain, and there weren’t like blacks there. wink Yes, and ours did not overtake yet.
              1. Kars
                Kars 7 February 2016 16: 16 New
                +9
                Quote: Professor
                The Azerbaijanis did not complain, and there weren’t like blacks there. Yes, and ours did not overtake yet.

                They complained. Surely. Only this is of little interest to anyone. As long as you don’t become a server)) so the blacks in the kit for ATMOS would not be superfluous))

                Yes M109 is also a cool thing.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 7 February 2016 16: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  They complained. Surely. Only this is of little interest to anyone. As long as you don’t become a server)) so the blacks in the kit for ATMOS would not be superfluous))

                  Duc crane for squelch and hitched. fellow

                  Quote: Kars
                  Yes M109 is also a cool thing.

                  Damn, where are the shells in Atmos? Again the Bedouins dragged away the colormet? wassat
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 7 February 2016 16: 37 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Professor
                    Duc crane for squelch and hitched

                    The crane is such a thing, it’s easier to change blacks)) they can replace the rammer in case of problems.
                    Quote: Professor
                    Damn, where are the shells in Atmos? Again the Bedouins dragged away the colormet

                    And do they really have a color?
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 7 February 2016 18: 03 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Kars
                      The crane is such a thing, it’s easier to change blacks)) they can replace the rammer in case of problems.

                      If necessary, we can supply blacks. We have 100 of them illegally in Tel Aviv.

                      Quote: Kars
                      And do they really have a color?

                      But what about? Here you can even see the photographs as a soldier drags them to the scrap. bully

                      Quote: novobranets
                      Somehow they do not shoot fun, without a twinkle. Here's how.

                      So it’s not a warrior. That’s without a twinkle. India is a completely different matter. laughing
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 7 February 2016 18: 27 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Professor
                        But what about? Here you can even see the photographs as a soldier drags them to the scrap

                        But isn’t it colored plastic?
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 7 February 2016 18: 29 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Kars
                        But isn’t it colored plastic?

                        Well ktozh plastic accept in the scrap? So the Bedouins will starve to death.
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 7 February 2016 23: 25 New
                        +3
                        So, all the same, metal? And honestly, I’ve already gone to the photo of the sleeve, in theory, from the 120 mm gun, who says that the sleeve is all-metal, who is just a pallet.
      2. novobranets
        novobranets 7 February 2016 17: 10 New
        12
        Somehow they do not shoot fun, without a twinkle. lol Here's how.
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 7 February 2016 19: 50 New
          +1
          Indians from all over will arrange a melodrama with dances and songs, even from artillery :)
        2. muhomor
          muhomor 7 February 2016 19: 55 New
          +2
          gun readiness for shooting in 7 minutes! a rare dance!
        3. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 7 February 2016 20: 46 New
          +3
          compared to border guards, they just waltz slightly laughing
      3. 2С5
        2С5 7 February 2016 20: 25 New
        +5
        ... yes guano this installation ... too much hydraulics and automation ... but about 10 seconds / projectile-setting !!! After the shot, the artillery unit "comes to its senses" for a couple of seconds, that is, it sways and after that the sight and turn should probably be adjusted, otherwise the damage to accuracy ... as a commercial for taxpayers, nothing is wrong, but in fact, not really practical technique ... in the field, even a small breakdown in the part of hydraulics is a rather big problem ... the more simple, the more reliable wink
        1. Professor
          Professor 8 February 2016 08: 52 New
          -3
          Quote: 2C5
          .as a commercial for taxpayers, nothing like that

          What are taxpayers? The company is private, development for its money, foreign customers do not complain about accuracy or reliability.

          Quote: 2C5
          karoch-the simpler, the more reliable

          Right Spear and ax. laughing
  30. Aqela
    Aqela 15 February 2016 22: 23 New
    0
    I have only one question: where are the Swedes in their penises dug up such a wasteland?
    Climate
    A snapshot from space March 15, 2002. Most of Scandinavia is covered in snow ...
    The peculiarities of the location of the Scandinavian mountains, which play a barrier role with respect to the moist air masses coming from the Atlantic Ocean, as well as a significant meridional extent, make Sweden's climate very diverse.
    The climate in the southern and eastern parts of the country, thanks to the warm Gulf Stream, is temperate, marine, transitional to continental. The average January temperature is from −15 ° C to −3 ° C, July - from 10 ° C to 17 ° C. The annual amount of precipitation is 300-800 mm, in addition, due to low evaporation, humidification is also excessive here, which leads to significant swampiness of the territory.
    In the north and east in the mountainous regions of the country beyond the Arctic Circle, the climate is subarctic. In the mountains, the average January temperature reaches −16 ° C, and in July from 6 ° C to 8 ° C. Most of this territory is covered by ice sheets and mountain valley glaciers.

    Something like this! hi
  • 31rus
    31rus 7 February 2016 15: 25 New
    +4
    Dear, I read Shamanov's interview about new weapons, there is no "Wolf", it means either "Kamaz" or tracked chassis, which is more promising, still wondering why 122mm, if there really is "Vienna"? a separate type of troops like the Marines in the United States, which is good news, if only the training of the paratroopers themselves only increased in level, and did not turn into ordinary advertising
    1. mervino2007
      mervino2007 7 February 2016 20: 37 New
      0
      Quote: 31rus
      I wonder why 122 mm, if there really is "Vienna"?

      Yes, really, why?
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 7 February 2016 21: 15 New
        0
        In my opinion, Vienna for a landing is too big, as it was made not on the BMD base, but on the BMP-3 base.
        And Vienna’s purchases in the army, I think, were slowed down because of its not small price. And in this regard, our MO pressures: they need a lot, but for inexpensive.
  • ARES623
    ARES623 7 February 2016 15: 47 New
    +3
    Interestingly, in what area do you plan to use it? If in the European part of Russia, then a tracked base will be preferable. In addition, the implement, coulter hydraulics, guidance mechanisms are not protected by armor. If the enemy uses conventional automatic guns with remote detonation shells, the gun is vulnerable even in a closed OP. For ordinary artillery units this problem can be overcome, at least with the help of repair units, then in a raid on enemy territory the weapon will have to be simply abandoned. Conclusion - for the Airborne Forces this gun is not needed. Nona upgrade to a gun caliber 152 mm and it will be better. IMHO.
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 15 February 2016 22: 44 New
      0
      I agree, but the relevance of 152-mm for the Nona platform is doubtful. It would be dermal to shove 125-130 mm. However, 125-mm is the same "Vienna", and 130-mm is a good build-up of power with the inconvenience in terms of providing ammunition ...
      The 130-mm M-46 cannon is a Soviet towed hull artillery gun from the 1950s. Was created by the design bureau of the plant number 172 in 1946-1950 and was intended to replace the 122-mm gun mod. 1931/37 The M-46 was created as part of a new hull artillery duplex with a 152 mm M-47 gun designed to replace the 152 mm howitzer gun mod. 1937

      One sucks - it hurts a lot. But I don't know anything about howitzers of this caliber ...
  • al252ex
    al252ex 7 February 2016 15: 48 New
    +9
    If this gun cannot fire direct fire for the airborne, this is scrap. Glory to the airborne.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 7 February 2016 15: 57 New
    +2
    Why worry so much! In a couple of years, we'll see what happened. Although now it is clear that the combat radius, horizontally, is up to 170 degrees. Loading seems to be done "from the navel", so that you won't be able to shoot quickly and leave. Okay, wait and see.
  • Cartman
    Cartman 7 February 2016 16: 18 New
    +2
    loading is manual, the meaning is very small
  • k_ply
    k_ply 7 February 2016 17: 17 New
    +7
    Earlier it was reported that the project creates two self-propelled guns - with a weapon 120 and 152 mm. It is noted that "the last caliber is characterized by an increased range of fire and the power of ammunition."

    2C36 "Zauralets-D". The public is easily misled! times from times photo completely off topic, 120 mm Nona-K 2B16 (the same gun 2A51) on the Wolf chassis 6x6. And what's the point of changing the 120mm SAO 2S9-1M Nona-S to this miracle in the airborne forces? To have an idea of ​​what this is about, see 120 mm SAO 2C31 Vienna, including 120 mm SAO Crimp (based on Object 934) and 152 mm SAU 2C18 Pat-S, but only on the basis of BMD-4M (as well as BTR-MDM "Shell"), or based on 2С25M "Octopus-SD", the common thing on the platforms is the UTD-29 diesel engine.
    1. k_ply
      k_ply 7 February 2016 18: 32 New
      +4
      I will explain ...
      Quote: k_ply
      The public is easily misled! times from times photo completely off topic, 120 mm Nona-K 2B16 (the same gun 2A51) on the Wolf chassis 6x6. And what's the point of changing the 120mm SAO 2S9-1M Nona-S to this miracle in the airborne forces?

      With the same firing range (up to 12,8 km), change the level of security of the crew (crew) to the worst, with its increase from 4 to 6 people (including the driver), not talking about the loss of negative vertical guidance angles, and the possibility of direct fire aiming at the same time. The 120-mm Nona universal cannon is not a howitzer, but a mortar-gun-howitzer.
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      It is based on a wolf. Mobile cannon lucky shells and calculation is a smart thing

      The fact of the matter is that 2B16 "Nona-K" and "cannon"also, in contrast to the 155-mm western howitzers, such as the French" Caesar "(Caesar).
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 8 February 2016 09: 00 New
        0
        However, Caesar has a different mass. You can't throw it off an airplane, you can't cross a water barrier straight away.
        For the Airborne Forces they will make on the basis of "Sprut-SDM1", which will parachute and swim. In addition, a single platform based on the BMD-4M will simplify logistics and repairs for airborne vehicles.
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  • Olegmog
    Olegmog 7 February 2016 17: 19 New
    +2
    I think the following proportions should be observed, 25% on the tracked
    go, and 60% on wheels. I myself work on a four-wheel drive KAMAZ,
    and work has to take part in the repair of MTLBV, GTT.
    Oh and hemorrhoids this thing, compared to the wheels ....!
  • PKK
    PKK 7 February 2016 17: 26 New
    -5
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    Mass rearmament of the army continues. Still, Shoigu brought positive changes to the Ministry of Defense, and everyone sees them. Take under the wing the agency that ruined Ser ***, and raise it. It costs a lot.

    I apologize to Serdyukov’s account. It was Serdyukov who lifted the Army from its knees and redirected cash flows for the Army. And Kuzhugetovich came to the ready. It was a super operation with cover. Everyone got caught up and still many are off topic.
    1. svp67
      svp67 7 February 2016 17: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: PKK
      It was Serdyukov who raised the Army from his knees

      You just don’t tell anyone else loudly about it. He was put on this post, entrusted with the reform, allocated a LOT of money, and, to put it mildly, he treated them in far from the best way. It will be cursed for a long time ...
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    3. The black
      The black 7 February 2016 19: 17 New
      +4
      It was Serdyukov who raised the Army from his knees
      ... Well, yes, lifted from his knees and put on .ope .. laughing
      1. avebersek
        avebersek 7 February 2016 19: 55 New
        +1
        Yes, there is an opinion that a person was needed to break the system and change the management team. "The Moor has done his job, the Moor can retire" Along the way, having twisted excesses, for that you can "hang all the dogs" on him and his company. Well, and then a new Minister of Defense appears on a new one and ... "the card went" Here you will find new equipment and mat. provision and training without respite ... and everything works! This is not done for a couple of months. With all due respect to Kuzhegetovich. This is the kind of defense minister we need now. Conclusion: Storetkin was needed as a battering ram, to clear the place, to do the "dirty" work.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 7 February 2016 18: 04 New
    -1
    For the Airborne Forces, perhaps it’s better to come up with. Just a class! good
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 7 February 2016 21: 22 New
      +7
      And what was this bad about?

      The caliber is the same. Replace the base with a BMD-4m, and a newer gun in the tower. What is not an option?
      1. WarMachine
        WarMachine 8 February 2016 04: 11 New
        -17 qualifying.
        Well, a freak. Surprisingly, as soon as such squalor was able to degenerate the thought of a drunk Russian designer
        1. Generalissimo
          Generalissimo 8 February 2016 04: 46 New
          0
          And all the way envy
        2. svp67
          svp67 8 February 2016 06: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: WarMachine
          Surprisingly, as soon as such squalor was able to degenerate the thought of a drunk Russian designer

          Envy is not so frank. And your own problems, it is in the aspect of addiction to alcohol or something more difficult, should not be advertised so much ... Can you say that in this life you have made something valuable?
        3. Victor-M
          Victor-M 9 February 2016 12: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: WarMachine
          Well, a freak. Surprisingly, as soon as such squalor was able to degenerate the thought of a drunk Russian designer

          This is not for you to repack Western shrimp. laughing
  • Michael67
    Michael67 7 February 2016 19: 21 New
    0
    According to Semizorov, "in the next two - two and a half years, it is planned to completely finish work on the gun and transfer it for serial production." Why so long? Ballistic missiles finish faster. I would understand a year. Maximum. Two and a half...
  • Olegi1
    Olegi1 7 February 2016 20: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    It is based on a wolf. Mobile cannon lucky shells and calculation is a smart thing


    And what will the experts say about the wheeled chassis? Something I doubt that it is for the Airborne Forces that the wheels are better than the tracks ...
  • Vadim_2
    Vadim_2 7 February 2016 20: 13 New
    -5
    The system on the ebanutaya website. I write a message, in response - "too many messages in 5 seconds."
    The site is unbearable. It brakes constantly. I read it regularly, but I haven’t seen it worse for adding site messages.
  • Agent_017
    Agent_017 7 February 2016 20: 25 New
    0
    According to Semizorov, “in the next two to two and a half years it is planned to complete work on the instrument and transfer it for serial production.”
    Re: - Yes, we don’t have so much time, let the bureaucrats quickly work with papers, and the techies work faster for the deck. The bureaucrats usually eat all the time and Stalin did the right thing, the right weapon is more likely to go to the front !!! We now need a competent breakthrough and even a break from the development of enemies ...
  • TIM.555
    TIM.555 7 February 2016 20: 47 New
    -2
    Swedish archer is somehow more attractive and the calculation is only 2 people. 20 shots in two and a half minutes. Http: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = WjO0hRQKuuI
    1. 2С5
      2С5 8 February 2016 05: 56 New
      0
      ... well, nothing is so "ARCHER", smart ... good
    2. Aqela
      Aqela 15 February 2016 22: 57 New
      0
      For me, one thing is not clear: in the video, the projectile covers the target, and the car next to it didn’t even swing. How can it be when a 155 mm ammunition hits? Or does computer editing continue to work wonders?
  • njvlin
    njvlin 7 February 2016 21: 47 New
    0
    In accordance with the rules of the SITE yesterday (6.02.2016/1936/XNUMX) I made an amendment to the link to the STERN magazine (you wrote "izanie" made an amendment to the "edition"). You didn't react to spelling mistakes. But (note. Academician Ushakov's dictionary "Russian language" edition of XNUMX) to any excuse trash you react (in the Old Slavonic alphabet the letter "FETA") is interpreted unambiguously.
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 15 February 2016 23: 03 New
      +1
      Pepper letters of the Slavic alphabet:

      az
      beech trees
      lead
      verb
      good
      Yes
      live
      green
      Earth
      others (8-decimal)
      and (decimal)
      how
      people
      think
      наш
      he
      peace
      rtsy
      word
      firmly
      uk
      firth

      omega
      chi
      worm
      sha
      schA
      ep
      ery
      ery
      ay
      ю
      And iotated
      E iotated
      Small us
      Big us
      yus small iotated
      yus big iotated
      xi
      ps
      fita
      mortar

      You speak:
      But (note. Academician Ushakov's dictionary "Russian language" edition of 1936) to any excuse trash you react (in the Old Slavonic alphabet the letter "FETA") is interpreted unambiguously.

      Pliz: the letter FETA and its interpretation by Ushakov - to the studio !!! fellow
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 15 February 2016 23: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Aqela
        Pliz: the letter FETA and its interpretation by Ushakov - to the studio !!!

        Over-the-top things are remembered, the campaign ..

        And they started with something: "The combat module of the Zauralets-D self-propelled gun has passed the next stage of preliminary tests"

        A flight of thought .. no words .. I put a pilus there, no longer given, my apologies request
  • Lator kron
    Lator kron 7 February 2016 21: 54 New
    +1
    Interesting self-propelled gun +)
    Only now the deadlines are running out, we do not have two year olds, then here the war breaks out.

  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 7 February 2016 23: 15 New
    0
    Quote: vanya
    money from the state dofiga? Why airborne vehicles are different from the ground forces.

    Due to the specifics of the tasks being solved by the Airborne Forces. The equipment in service with the Airborne Forces has always been different from that in the ground forces. The first and main requirement is mobility and the possibility of landing with a parachute.
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 7 February 2016 23: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Olegi1
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    It is based on a wolf. Mobile cannon lucky shells and calculation is a smart thing


    And what will the experts say about the wheeled chassis? Something I doubt that it is for the Airborne Forces that the wheels are better than the tracks ...

    The wheeled chassis is much simpler and cheaper.
  • magirus401
    magirus401 7 February 2016 23: 40 New
    +2
    And who dug up where it’s mastered for the Airborne Forces, maybe for a construction battalion, to drive for vodka in a general store, and a gun for sellers
  • alexander 2
    alexander 2 8 February 2016 02: 57 New
    -1
    Something 2C7 "Peony" recalls. But for the airborne.
  • WarMachine
    WarMachine 8 February 2016 04: 08 New
    0
    The tests were "quite successful".
    A little bit pregnant