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Anaconda in Turkish

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5 February on the official website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia appeared a note entitled “Commentary of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia in connection with the anti-Russian propaganda campaign launched in the Turkish media”. Literally, we will not quote the text, but the general sense is this: Turkey has launched informational training of the population for the introduction of troops into Syria and a direct military conflict with Russia. Although a number of well-known questions arise to the work of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs for some time now, but specifically here diplomats can be trusted completely. Moreover, the Russian military are talking about direct preparations for the invasion on the Turkish side. Statements by Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain that they are ready to take part in the intervention, and completely translate the expected events from the category of “quite possible” into the category of “almost inevitable”.




In total News we can say with great certainty that events are moving towards a denouement. In any case, they have already acquired such inertia, which will be extremely difficult to stop. In this sense, it would be worthwhile to recall some important nuances of the upcoming large-scale clash.

Turks for “white people” from NATO are those who are not sorry. In the event of a military conflict with Moscow, Ankara will be regularly supplied weapon all allies are in the Alliance, but Western Europeans hardly want to die en masse, not even for Turkey, but for Turkish ambitions in Syria. Even militant in words, Poland and Lithuania will not risk engaging in such a dangerous adventure. Yes, in the words of Erdogan all support, but thus only drive him into a trap. Poland before 1 September 1939, too, a lot of things promised. By and large, the Turkish president is now providing a great service to the European and American elites. For many years, they were looking for someone who would be so desperate and short-sighted to decide on a war with Russia and be the first to go under attack.

Compare the military capabilities of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Turkey by number tanks, ships and planes are largely meaningless. The armed forces of our southern neighbor cannot be called ultra-innovative, but it is a completely modern army, in which, however, quite a lot of obsolete equipment has accumulated. The critical drawback of Turkey is that its military-industrial complex is not yet able to mass-produce the entire spectrum of what is needed for the army and fleet, and even in the right amount and acceptable quality. Therefore, the country is extremely dependent on external supplies. Nevertheless, the Turks have the strongest ground forces in NATO after the US Army.

Now many are wondering: “What will happen to our military in Latakia and Tartus if Turkey enters the war?” It is known from open sources that Russia has a Su-4С fighter on the 35 base, the same number of Su-30СМ and Su-27СМ , as well as an unknown number of C-400 and Pantsir complexes, plus the Varyag cruiser air defense. For force confrontation with the Turks, this is clearly not enough, even if we add here the remnants of the Syrian air defense. However, the military issue in this case is rather secondary, since the main geopolitical benefit for the United States, which is skillfully conducted by the conflict, is not at all the defeat of the Assad troops or Russian bases in Syria. These are only intermediate, tactical points. The goal is to lock the Black Sea Straits, the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles for Russia. To lock up not only and so much for military navigation, as for the Russian sea trade. And this will be a very serious blow to us, as oil, grain and many other goods are exported in this way. In fact, the Americans will use the hands of the Turks to repeat their famous “Anaconda” plan, which the Union used against the Confederation during the Civil War of 1861-1865. The essence of the plan is the gradual economic suffocation of the enemy, by blocking his trade, first of all - the sea, with the outside world. In general, the Anaconda plan against the Russian Federation was used earlier, because long before the Crimea the largest country of Eurasia was pushed back from trade routes and markets in various ways. Different methods were used for this: color revolutions, admission of the Baltic states to NATO, the EU Third Energy Package and anti-dumping duties on Russian goods. Now times come harsh, and with them the corresponding methods.

It makes no sense to talk about the consequences for our economy, which is already in a difficult situation, will be caused by blocking the straits. Of course, back in the Soviet Union there were plans for the unblocking of the straits, but the Soviet military capabilities were fundamentally different, and the distance from the Bulgarian border to Istanbul cannot be called large. What plans the General Staff and top political leadership of the Russian Federation have today, it remains only to guess.

Inside the Black Sea there is practically no one to trade with. Turkey is hostile, Georgia and Ukraine are the same, Bulgaria and Romania are members of NATO. Who is left? Abkhazia ... By the way, within the framework of the same “Anaconda-2”, hysteria is being inflated in the Baltic: around the Baltic republics and still neutral Sweden. The goal is obvious: to cut off Russia's access to the ocean and through the Baltic ports, although it will be an order of magnitude more difficult to do than in the Black Sea.

The start of direct hostilities between Russia and Turkey is guaranteed to allow the latter to close the straits. To this end, Ankara, according to the scheme already worked out on the incident with the Su-24, will probably want to arrange a new provocation against the Russian military, and then blame them. The Russian leadership will either endure insult, or respond in earnest to the complete destruction of the enemy and the intimidation of all other opponents.

Another special blow will be tried by the Turkish special services, which will do everything to provoke unrest not only in the Muslim regions of Russia, but also in the Russian regions of the Federation. How real is this threat? More than real. For example, we have a lot of talk about Turkey’s active support for militants in the Chechen wars (weapons, ammunition, communications, treatment, financing), but they don’t think much about the earlier stage of the intervention, namely, the participation of Ankara in the collapse of the USSR. Thus, during the riots of the end of 1989 - the beginning of 1990, all border facilities were destroyed in the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, as a result of which not only the border with Iran but also a small section with Turkey was completely exposed. It was the Turkish territory that the extremists penetrated, returning from there with weapons and money. The result was not long in coming: already on January 19 1990 of the year Nakhichevan, the first among the allied and autonomous republics, declared independence from the USSR.

We emphasize once again: that was the beginning of the 1990 of the year, when the Allied security forces still maintained relative capacity, and society remained relatively closed. What can we say about modern Russia, where the Turkish agents, according to occasional reports in the Russian media, have created a whole network of pan-Turkic organizations for 25 for years? Not to mention the fact that some Turks have a completely European appearance, which means that they are capable of acting within ethnically Russian communities.

So, the plan of the opposite side is clear. Word for Moscow. From the military and diplomats will need a unique skill to somehow chop off the new "Anaconda" head before she really tries to break our neck. Opportunities for this they have. In the end, Turkey is also quite a vulnerable country.
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  1. Kent0001
    Kent0001 8 February 2016 07: 26
    12
    Erdogan is either idiol ... or idiol squared. It just may end up in such a way that the straits depart to us. It is a pity that he cleared the military top too early, and not they.
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 February 2016 07: 51
      10
      Quote: Kent0001
      Erdogan is either idiol ... or idiol squared. It just may end up in such a way that the straits depart to us. It is a pity that he cleared the military top too early, and not they.



      It looks like in a cube, but from this it is not easier for us to fight, it is not profitable, but you have to.
    2. vitya1945
      vitya1945 8 February 2016 08: 42
      10
      Before you dream about the straits, remember the Crimean War of 1853-1856
      Everything started well there, too, Sinop, etc., but when it came to the straits, England and France stood up for the Turks.
      No wonder they then laid about 200 people near Sevastopol, and now if only the straits loom ....
      Yes, and overseas, friends, if that they will not be allowed to forget.
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 8 February 2016 09: 38
        +8
        If the United States and NATO are XNUMX percent sure that Russia will respond firmly. I’m sure they will do everything to stop the Turks, it’s not profitable for the whole world to see that they have abandoned the NATO country and could only help with words and weapons. they will understand that NATO is just an instrument for weak countries in Libya Iraq and so on, and there for no one who will not perish everyone’s interests there!
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 8 February 2016 10: 46
          +1
          Quote: kod3001
          If the US and NATO are XNUMX% sure that Russia will respond firmly

          And even I doubt it. With the untenable domestic policy of "our" government, the country's economy will not pull a serious war. Yes, the army has been pumping up lately, but in a serious conflict, this pumping reserve will not last long. Turks are also not made with a finger, do not underestimate.
          And we again have talk about the need for privatization, although it is high time to nationalize. request
          The parameters of the upcoming privatization were discussed on February 2 at a meeting in the Kremlin. Under the chairmanship of President Putin, in the presence of Prime Minister Medvedev and relevant ministers. By the composition of other participants, it was possible to understand what state assets the sale expects. Among them, according to Kommersant, there were representatives of Rosneft, VTB, Sovcomflot, Russian Railways, ALROSA, Aeroflot and Bashneft. The privatization process of Sovcomflot is already underway. The rest will begin to be sold soon.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 8 February 2016 13: 41
            +3
            the economy of a country of serious war will not pull.


            Well, given the nuclear arsenal, there won't be a "serious" war. At least with millions of armies and thousand-kilometer fronts. However, this does not diminish the danger. Because the West does not need a military victory, it is enough to convince our oligarchs that resistance is useless and spend a new "February". Several serious peripheral lesions are sufficient for this. And Syria fits perfectly here. Our group is isolated from the metropolis. As a result, the military build-up of the Turkish group may be much higher. And this could lead to a repetition in Latakia or Damascus of the defense of Sevastopol in the Crimean War.

            By the way, in our university we make booking lists for mobilization.
          2. Azzzwer
            Azzzwer 8 February 2016 16: 29
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            although it’s time to nationalize for a long time.

            and what will privatization give you?
        2. Velikoruss
          Velikoruss 8 February 2016 15: 17
          +4
          The Russians have one wonderful magic word - "husim", after which, in principle, the Rat is dressed like the Turks, and what Uncle Sam thinks about this. If a dog dump begins, Uncle Sam will most likely shove his pomelo into a causal spot. Because in the event of a real military conflict, Russia will have the legal right to destroy ALL channels of external support to Turkey, incl. sea, air and land. Yankees are tough guys when they fight the Papuans. But I think in the case of Russia, they will be good guys and will not get on the rampage - too fraught. IMHO
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 February 2016 16: 30
            +2
            Quote: Velikorus
            But I think in the case of Russia they will be good children and they will not get into trouble - too fraught

            So they themselves will not climb - they will fight until the last Turkish soldier. For the first time or what?
      2. Koshak
        Koshak 8 February 2016 10: 48
        +4
        Quote: vitya1945
        Before you dream about the straits, remember the Crimean War of 1853-1856
        Everything started well there, too, Sinop, etc., but when it came to the straits, England and France stood up for the Turks.
        No wonder they then laid about 200 people near Sevastopol, and now if only the straits loom ....
        Yes, and overseas, friends, if that they will not be allowed to forget.

        Even if we take control of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles, then what next? They will block us Gibraltar and the Suez Canal. And with whom to trade in the Mediterranean? Around NATO and subordinate puppets.
        1. Prometheus
          Prometheus 8 February 2016 15: 45
          +1
          Trade with Egypt, Syria, Algeria, Lebanon. At first sight.
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 8 February 2016 13: 33
        +2
        Everything started well there, too, Sinop, etc., but when it came to the straits, England and France stood up for the Turks.


        It is possible for them to wage a conventional war against Russia, they need Russia to start first. Otherwise, in response to the attack, they might get a nuclear rebuff. In the event of a collision, it will be more difficult to use nuclear weapons. At least if there will be no catastrophic military defeat.
      4. go21zd45few
        go21zd45few 8 February 2016 14: 40
        +2
        VITYA 1945 quote: remember the Crimean War of 1853-1856
        Now there are other conditions and possibilities, if in that war it was not possible to attack the territory of the coalition, now almost any state can be destroyed without problems. From this, I think that there are no crazy people besides the Turkish dog Erdogan to start a full-scale war, but they will help with weapons. Permissions in the Baltic states are possible.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 8 February 2016 15: 26
          0
          Now there are other conditions and possibilities, if in that war it was not possible to attack the territory of the coalition, now almost any state can be destroyed without problems.


          The problem is that the annihilation will be mutual. Therefore, the war on the periphery a la Crimean campaign is quite possible and, more to say, the only one possible.
    3. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 8 February 2016 11: 42
      0
      .... It is a pity that he cleared the military top too early, and they did not ....

      ... In anticipation of the events, he already released almost all of them and even raised some in the ranks .... There was such information on VO ...
    4. Army1
      Army1 8 February 2016 12: 15
      +6
      I am more annoyed by something else, as the media often talk about an "inevitable" clash with Turkey, without even thinking that war is not a movie, it is a place where people are dying. Perhaps our population is being trained for information.
      1. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 8 February 2016 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: Army1
        Perhaps our population is preparing information

        Clear pepper! A "small victorious war" is needed in times of crisis. In Russia, they always went on fools.
    5. max702
      max702 8 February 2016 15: 07
      +9
      All this gibbering does not matter, either we roll Turkey's TNW into a pancake, or everything else leads our country to defeat! We don’t have the resources now for waging at least some kind of protracted war, and first of all they do not exist inside the country thanks to the "far-sighted" policy of our liberal government, everything that we have accumulated recently will come down to an extremely short-term conflict like the Syrian in 100-150 then a couple of months maximum six months and all ales! All half-measures lead to inevitable defeat! The article correctly says that NATO and the West as a whole will provide Turkey with ANY necessary assistance, weapons, equipment, Raved information, specialists, all this will be supplied in the necessary quantities .. We will even be given the opportunity to achieve some success at the initial stage, and even a supply accumulated in recent years, this will allow .. But then we will have a hard time, we will get into the war and will be in a position that we cannot finally win, BUT and get out of this idiot IN ANY WAY! The investments are too large, and the inevitable losses in case of exit ... So only one option is real to INSERT from the bottom of my heart about 100 KR for 10-50 kt on the main military facilities of Turkey .. In a couple of hours, the military potential of the second country in NATO, the whole world, and utter a word will not have time .. Everyone will shut up and will sit still! The West will not harness nuclear weapons for Turkey, because the Russians have demonstrated their determination to go to the end, therefore, they (the West) will have to look for other ways. I repeat, everything else will lead to a protracted conflict and inevitable defeat in it.
      1. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 8 February 2016 16: 36
        -8
        Quote: max702
        PUT from all the souls of the order of 100 KR on 10-50ct in the main military facilities of Turkey.

        I wonder what you smeared before this?
      2. garik647
        garik647 8 February 2016 22: 26
        +1
        absolutely agree with max 702! we need to immediately show that no one will play with dolls! smudge immediately differently - it will be what Max wrote ...
    6. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 8 February 2016 16: 22
      -3
      Quote: Kent0001
      It just may end up in such a way that the straits depart to us.

      Wow!!! recourse
    7. Master
      Master 8 February 2016 22: 04
      0
      Dear, do you yourself believe what you wrote? No, I'm not saying that Turkey will defeat Russia, in the best case, a draw, like Russia with such a fleet, Russia has no chance of winning. And since there are nothing common borders with Turkey, they will not be able to pinpoint.
      1. Erg
        Erg 8 February 2016 23: 17
        0
        Before writing, you will release the stone ax from your hands.
  2. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 8 February 2016 07: 30
    +5
    So Turkey will not be allowed to go to war against Russia, but at the expense - Europe does not need such "independence" of Erdogan, who wants to become a blackguard god.
  3. aba
    aba 8 February 2016 07: 34
    +6
    After all, Turkey is also a rather vulnerable country.

    I agree that Turkey has enough problems, I admit that it is vulnerable, but is it really quite vulnerable?
    The fact that hysteria is escalating is understandable, Erdogan cannot take and back up, driving himself into a corner, all the more so as he cannot reach Putin. But just the driven animal is capable of a desperate throw. Naturally, if the beast rushes, then you have to finish, but is there a chance to prevent this throw?
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 8 February 2016 07: 53
      +2
      Quote: aba
      But just the driven animal is capable of a desperate throw.

      What makes you think that Erdogan is a "driven beast"? Where is he driven and by whom? Erdogan risks absolutely nothing, on the contrary, the current situation allows him to openly! solve the Kurdish question and drive the opposition completely into the deep underground, thereby guaranteeing himself eternal reign until power passes to his son.
      Erdogan has a win-win position.
      1. aba
        aba 8 February 2016 08: 13
        +2
        What makes you think that Erdogan is a “hunted beast”?
        .
        Erdogan has a win-win position.

        that is, whatever the outcome of the confrontation would be, Erdogan will get his profit ?! belay
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 8 February 2016 08: 36
          +3
          Quote: aba
          that is, whatever the outcome of the confrontation would be, Erdogan will get his profit ?!

          Of course. What does Erdogan need? Power, nothing more, he is a dictator in its purest form. Any options give him a reason to further strengthen his power without losing support from the United States and Europe.
          Those. there are no options in which he is overthrown and put on trial.
          1. aba
            aba 9 February 2016 12: 33
            0
            Any options give him a reason to further strengthen his power without losing support from the United States and Europe.

            Well, this is unlikely. His career depends on many factors, including not only American support, but also success, and if you dream up, then on the defeat of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria.
      2. RomanS
        RomanS 8 February 2016 11: 19
        +1
        Well yes. Just like Poroshenko.
      3. Barnaul, Altai
        Barnaul, Altai 8 February 2016 19: 20
        +1
        Strongly disagree ...
        This Erdogan thinks that he is a subject in a mess. And he is the object being manipulated - THROWING FALSE OBJECTIVES TO HIM.
        The position is initially losing if you act in the interests of someone else’s uncle to the best of your misunderstanding ...

        my picture repeat
  4. partizan86
    partizan86 8 February 2016 07: 51
    +3
    Erdogan’s campaign was already very bad:
    Erdogan suggested the United States make a choice between Turkey and the Kurds - http://newsru.com/world/07feb2016/erdogansays.html
    The State Duma proposed to terminate the friendship agreement with Turkey from 1921 - http://newsru.com/russia/08feb2016/treaty.html
  5. corporal
    corporal 8 February 2016 08: 04
    +4
    Maybe the Turks think that once the plane has endured, then we will not react to the annexation of a small piece of Syria? After all, they will not attack Russia in the end. Expect (quite reasonably) the next concerns of our Foreign Ministry, no more. what
    And for sure they will untie the company under the pretext of protecting Turkoman. And if also a referendum (among the Turkoman) stir up, then ..... request
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 8 February 2016 09: 43
      +2
      referendum - easily, much easier than in the Crimea. most of the Turkoman are now in the territory of Turkey as refugees, and among them they will be promoted.
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  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 February 2016 08: 16
    12
    Yesterday Ivashov on this occasion spoke out in the sense that the military (General Staff) only need a firm political decision on retaliatory actions (i.e., a direct instruction from the Supreme). In this case, the answer will be tough. And the plans for such cases are surely developed.
  7. Grbear
    Grbear 8 February 2016 08: 16
    +2
    This, of course, is not the Caribbean crisis, but we know too little about the real state of affairs. In the "field" there are only conjectures and "considerations".
    We will see. hi
  8. kg pv
    kg pv 8 February 2016 08: 19
    -5
    These articles are the escalation of the situation.
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 8 February 2016 08: 20
    +1
    to defeat the anaconda you need to know where her tail is and where she lays her eggs ...
  10. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 8 February 2016 08: 49
    +2
    Needle in an egg - an egg in America. Why the hell are the Turks? If war cannot be avoided, then it is necessary to fight with a mattress, why exchange for their mongrel? Only lose strength in vain.
  11. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 8 February 2016 08: 50
    +1
    The military and diplomats will need unique skill

    Unique craftsmanship is not required. Only political will is needed. And I think the General Staff has several plans in case of further escalation of the conflict. Also, I admit that the military can remove Erdogan. A direct military clash with Russia will not bring anything good, not only to the belligerents, but to the whole world.
  12. Vladycat
    Vladycat 8 February 2016 08: 51
    +2
    How sad everything. What is not living in the world. How many pisYunami can be measured. Where does such a stable "little brother" complex come from? As much as possible, every 100 years they are going to receive from us in the face. We will strike, but we will also shed our blood :(.
  13. Hooks
    Hooks 8 February 2016 08: 55
    +3
    It's February already, spring is coming. We are looking forward to "Turkish Spring"! The most painless option for us, without laying new straits through the territory of Turkey, cleaning up Turkish troops in Syria and Iraq.
  14. cap
    cap 8 February 2016 09: 03
    +2
    "The Turks for the" white people "from NATO are those who do not feel sorry for. In the event of a military conflict with Moscow, all Allies in the Alliance will regularly supply weapons, but they will die en masse not even for Turkey, but for Turkish ambitions in Syria, Western Europeans hardly want to. Even militant in words Poland and Lithuania will not dare to embark on such a dangerous adventure. Yes, in words Erdogan is supported by everyone, but by doing so they only drive him into a trap. "

    Here you can start and finish. The Turks so that they do not think of consumables about themselves. Pawns, one of whom wants to become a queen. That's something like that. hi
  15. Crown
    Crown 8 February 2016 09: 25
    +1
    Faced with Turkey, Russia, the West wants to see the combat readiness of our VS. In Ukraine, they did not succeed.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 February 2016 10: 15
      0
      In this war, Turkey will be in the minority, we will connect the Kurds, the troops: Syria, Iraq, Iran, and there who knows, maybe Greece will also join and then the NATO bloc will end - it will fall apart.
  16. Alex ..
    Alex .. 8 February 2016 09: 59
    +6
    We must not allow slack.
  17. RomanS
    RomanS 8 February 2016 11: 23
    +2
    The main thing in this story is that the war is close to Russia, and not to the states. The situation repeats itself, in Europe there is terror and "refugees". There is a civil war in the Middle East. And viewers across the straits and oceans consider themselves safe.
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 8 February 2016 11: 46
      +1
      ..... And viewers across the straits and oceans consider themselves safe ....

      .... laughing ..... But in vain .... Now is not the 45th year .... A lot has changed in the world .... And in armaments too ... bully
  18. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 8 February 2016 12: 14
    -1
    major geopolitical benefit for the United States,

    Article plus. I just don’t agree with the author’s opinion about the “benefit” for the USA.
    The "American world" is too fragile, and for every military conflict - it can easily ruin it.
  19. Olezhek
    Olezhek 8 February 2016 12: 29
    +2
    The start of direct hostilities between Russia and Turkey is guaranteed to allow the latter to close the straits.


    You know, Peskov once mentioned the "apocalyptic" nature of such a scenario.
    Close they will close ...
    But what will happen with Turkey after this?
    You know, Russia simply will not be able to lose in this situation, therefore ... request
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 8 February 2016 17: 55
      -1
      Quote: Olezhek
      But what will happen with Turkey after this?

      Yes, nothing special, everyone in the world knows in what cases Turkey can block the straits and there will be nothing for it, because they agreed
  20. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 8 February 2016 13: 08
    +1
    The Russian leadership will either have to endure the insult, or respond already seriously - to completely destroy the enemy and intimidate all other opponents.
    This is an option, the Turks themselves drank a lot of blood from NATO, and when it became clear who the sponsors of the Isils and where the oil goes to, I don’t think that they will harness for the Turks, but they will deliver weapons, they are also interested in a lot of work of the new weapons, it just takes a long time to defeat the Turks, that is, the Erdogan army, the best outcome would be if the Turkish military themselves would remove Erdogan, but this is only a dream, although in this life there is nothing impossible.
    Against the background of the conflict with the Turks, the option of a primitive or global strike on Russia is possible, but this should not be ruled out because the hostilities of Russia and Turkey on the territory of Syria begin, it is possible that the jackal can attack in another place, that is, it actually delivered the third world war!
  21. Mentat
    Mentat 8 February 2016 14: 48
    +1
    Quote: Mera Joota
    Quote: aba
    But just the driven animal is capable of a desperate throw.

    What makes you think that Erdogan is a "driven beast"? Where is he driven and by whom? Erdogan risks absolutely nothing, on the contrary, the current situation allows him to openly! solve the Kurdish question and drive the opposition completely into the deep underground, thereby guaranteeing himself eternal reign until power passes to his son.
    Erdogan has a win-win position.

    If it were a cunning, experienced and cautious intriguer, who prudently leads intrigues along the edge, taking advantage of this, it might be so. Erdogan, however, is a greedy hysteroid that is quick to cash, with spreading ears decorated with US noodles. Turkey is being pulled into a regional big game, playing on utter ambitions, ambition and greed of leadership.

    In addition, "to openly resolve the Kurdish issue" has the other side of the coin: the openness of the Kurds to "outside help", the most diverse.
  22. Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 8 February 2016 16: 57
    +1
    The war with the Turks is very real. And here you can not relate to Turkey as well as the Russian Empire to Japan at the beginning of the 20th century. We thought we would throw our hats. Threw ...
  23. fix
    fix 8 February 2016 17: 07
    +1
    Drawn into more Swaru with turretchiny, we won’t win anything.
    Economic costs, aggravation of sanctions, depletion of reserves, loss of life, growth of protest moods (war is war). Especially against the backdrop of calm in the states.
    We are not quite ready for large-scale actions against the regular army in part: rearmament in the troops is not completed; the need to transfer the economy to mobilization rails, which will meet with resistance already in business circles (capitalism is). There are no diplomatic successes in the form of a coalition acting as a united front (like the American one).
    If we get involved in a war, there may be pressure at the diplomatic level right up to the US proposal for a UN Security Council without Russia. Especially if applicable tactical nuclear weapons. Problems with the status of straits.
    I repeat, we will not lose, but we won’t win anything too much. Even if we gouge the whole of Turkey, what then will arise on this place? Another caliphate?
    We must try not to get involved in a full-blown conflict. Exhaust and bleed the enemy without declaring war. Time works for us and against Erdogan. The Turkish economy has not yet felt the damage from our sanctions. By the way, you should not really rely on a military coup - it is not yet known who is worse. The military, by definition, the first patriots.
    Well, what about the political will of the Russian leadership - after all, an order has already been received live to give the toughest rebuff to an attempt to attack our troops.
    Eh, there would be this will also in domestic politics ...
  24. Idiot
    Idiot 8 February 2016 17: 27
    +1
    At one time, at the next meeting on the landing on the moon, on the next controversy: the solid surface of the moon or gaseous, SP Korolev issued a decree: "The moon is solid", number, date, signature ... Reading the comments, in no way not considering myself equal to S.P. Korolev, I would like to officially declare: there will be no war between Russia and NATO!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 8 February 2016 17: 57
      +1
      Quote: pft, fkb
      solid surface of the moon or gaseous,

      Not quite so, there was no question of gas surface, there were simply doubts that there could be a thick dust layer on the surface of the moon, where the station could fall, Arthur Clark and all that :-)
    2. Barnaul, Altai
      Barnaul, Altai 8 February 2016 19: 26
      0
      But war is possible RUSSIA - TURKEY
      with the option when the US expels the Turks from NATO ...
  25. Vitaly81
    Vitaly81 8 February 2016 17: 46
    0
    In this video, both the politics of our Western partners and Erdogan. Do not forget the story ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoLyDEmAagU
  26. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 8 February 2016 19: 10
    +2
    I believed and believe that the visually observed measures to prepare Turkey for the invasion of Syria are more a demonstration than a direct implementation of a specific invasion plan. In other words, Erdogan escalates the situation to the last, to the extreme, and everything is done so that the invasion is really possible to carry out, i.e. equipment and troops are being transferred, all logistics are being prepared, etc.
    But what will the invasion give him? The "hot phase" of the conflict with us? The war with Russia? No matter how bad it is for us from this war, but for him and for Turkey it is death. I don’t know if we will manage to carry out all planned attacks on his allies, but for sure that all bases in Turkish territory are a priority. With all his kookies, I don’t think that he is so stupid as to expect that we will respond to the provocation.
    Against our bases, on Syrian territory - yes, we will have to respond to aggression. But not more.
    And the front line, meanwhile, is moving towards the Turkish border, pushing “rebels” into Turkey. Time works for us.
  27. Stilet
    Stilet 8 February 2016 22: 37
    -2
    How many strategists! Each has a Marshal’s wand in his satchel, and some have two ... Count - in the First World War, how many Russian people died? Plus revolution, plus collectivization. Millions And in World War II, how many have we lost? Tens of millions! The very best. And basically, what was there to hide, these were Russians. And how many children from them could be? And now again there too! It’s good to talk with tongues, hot-headed fighters are sofa. TNW they hit. Have you heard anything about such a trifle as contamination of the area with radioactive particles? With the entire Chernobyl, the entire Union tumbled for several years. And then immediately dozens of Chernobyls. You are in your mind gentlemen! Have you thought about Russia? The United States demolished Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and you propose to destroy millions of people in almost Europe? After all, it will sink us, not to mention other countries. And where will all surviving, but genetically modified people go? In the space of which country? The whole world against Russia will gang up! That is what the states need. Head turn on.
    1. Erg
      Erg 8 February 2016 23: 34
      +1
      Firstly, during the Second World War we lost less than in the previous events, designated by you ... And secondly ... Are you really such a "missionary"? Or a simpleton? Why are you trying to calm us down while the enemy is at the gate?
      Quote: Stilet
      The whole world against Russia will gang up! That is what the states need. Head turn on.

      Yes, he has already taken up arms, AU. We wake up and start thinking.
  28. koroed
    koroed 8 February 2016 23: 52
    -1
    if Erdogan’s actions begin to threaten the integrity of the territory of Russia, then shortly after that there will be an earthquake in Turkey with a tsunami, as in Japan, when the Japanese began too actively discussing the return of the Kuril Islands, and, like the Japanese, the Turks will calm down, realizing where the wind blew yes bear farted
  29. Belousov
    Belousov 9 February 2016 11: 45
    0
    Good peaceful solutions are not to be seen, good military solutions do not exist in principle. All of this is superimposed on liberal (read subversive) domestic economic policies. The question is, how long will our resources last in the event of a serious quarrel? And even more interesting is how our "elites" will behave? Something I can hardly believe that Abramovich, Miller, Sechin, Medvedev, Gref, Chubais and other ulyukaevs with nabiullin breasts will stand up to defend our Motherland. Their homeland is located in a completely different place, closer to bank accounts.