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Syrian premiere: what the newest Su-35С is capable of

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Syrian premiere: what the newest Su-35С is capable of



MOSCOW, 4 February. / Tass /. On the transfer to Syria of the newest Su-35C fighters it became known 1 February. According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the fighters began to carry out combat missions at Hmeymim airbase last week.

Recognition of Western media: "excellent and dangerous"

The appearance of the newest Su-35C fighters at the Khmeimim Russian air base in Syria has aroused the interest of both the Russian press and a number of foreign publications. About this, in particular, wrote the German magazine Stern, the American editions of The National Interest and The Washington Times.
As noted by Stern, the Russian Su-35С is considered to be the most dangerous fighter in the world today, with the exception of the American X-NUMX generation F-5.

The magazine also writes that the aircraft has high maneuverability, equipped with a new radar "Irbis" and improved engines. The publication emphasizes that, with its high performance, Su-35 is quite cheap compared with the most advanced Western models. Stern predicts Russian fighter success in the global market weapons.


TV channel "Star" / YouTube

The National Interest, in particular, quoted the words of a high-ranking Pentagon official who called these fighters "excellent and dangerous planes, especially if they were built in large numbers." The official compared the Su-35 with American aircraft and noted that the F-15 and F / A-18E when meeting with the Russian aircraft will be "busy".

As the Washington Times writes, in turn, the transfer of fighters to Syria is a signal for Turkey: Su-35 together with C-400 gives Russia the opportunity to protect their aircraft anywhere in the Middle East region with weapons that surpass NATO weapons.


SU-35
© ITAR-TASS / Sergey Bobylev

Test by fight: "he has no equal"

As TASS was told by the former head of the 4 th center for combat use and retraining of flight crews of the VKS in Lipetsk, Major General Alexander Kharchevsky, the newest Su-35 fighters will not only be tested in the combat conditions of Syria, but also contribute to the destruction of the ground targets of militants.

According to the general, the Su-35, as well as the previously sent to Syria, the Su-30CM, are capable of "equally efficiently solving tasks for both air and ground targets."

Su-35, using ultra-high maneuverability characteristics when conducting air combat, in which he has no equal, can equally well use means of destruction on the ground

Alexander Kharchevsky
Maj.-Gen.


Another goal is to transfer the latest aircraft to Syria - test them in combat conditions. They are "very important from all points of view."
This opportunity to "see and test in the case" our new aircraft could not be neglected, and it is fully used

Alexander Kharchevsky
Maj.-Gen.



SU-35
© EPA / SERGEI CHIRIKOV


Super-manoeuvrable and all-weather

The Russian multi-purpose supersonic super-maneuverable Su-35С fighter belongs to the 4 ++ generation. It was developed in the 2000-ies experimental design bureau to them. BY. Sukhoi based on the Su-27 front-line fighter. The first flight of the Su-35 made 19 February 2008, the plane was piloted by honored test pilot of the Russian Federation Sergey Bogdan.

Since 2011, the fighter is serially produced at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin (KnAAZ).


19 November 2015, the state-owned corporation Rostec, announced the conclusion of a contract for the supply to China of 24 Su-35 fighters, and the People's Republic of China will be the first foreign buyer of these aircraft.

The aerodynamic layout of the aircraft is made in the form of a twin-engine, high-winged, three-bearing retractable landing gear with the front desk. Su-35 is equipped with turbojet engines with an afterburner and an in-plane thrust vectoring AL-41F1С developed by the Saturn Research and Production Association (Rybinsk, Yaroslavl Region).

For the super-maneuverability of the Su-35 meets the engine 117C. It was developed on the basis of its predecessors, the AL-31F, mounted on Su-27 airplanes, but differs from them in an increased ton 14,5 (against 12,5), a long resource and lower fuel consumption.

FLIGHT TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS


The length of the aircraft - 21,9 m, wing span - 14,75 m, height - 5,9 m. Maximum take-off weight - 34 thousand. 500 kg, maximum speed - 2 thousand. 500 km / h, maximum range without outboard fuel tanks (PTB) - 3 Thousands of 600 km, with PTB - 4 Thousands of 500 km. Practical ceiling - 20 thousand. The crew consists of one person. The aircraft's designated resource life is 6 thousand hours or 30 years, the engine resource is 4 thousand hours.

On the Su-35 - 12 external suspension nodes for mounting high-precision missiles and bombs. Two more - for the placement of EW containers.

The Su-35 armament includes a whole range of air-to-air and air-to-surface guided missiles, as well as unguided rockets and air bombs of various calibers.

According to the nomenclature of the bomber and unguided rocket armament, the Su-35 as a whole does not differ from today's Su-30MK, but in the future it will be possible to use improved and new models of bombs on it, including with laser correction. The maximum combat load weight is 8000 kg.

The fighter is also equipped with a gun GSH-30-1 caliber 30 mm (ammunition - 150 cartridges).


Simulator of the Su-35 fighter at the Sukhoi Design Bureau
© ITAR-TASS / Marina Lystseva

Fighter eyes and ears

From the fifth generation aircraft to the Su-35 cockpit. Unlike the Su-27, it does not have analog devices with familiar arrows. Instead, there are two large color LCD screens. Therefore, on it, as in a conventional TV, in the "picture in picture" mode, all the information necessary to the pilot is displayed.

Also on the Su-35 for the first time is a domestic inertia-free navigation system - SINS. This is an electronic-mechanical device, without which no fighter today can not be considered modern. His task is to collect and analyze all flight information and to ensure the departure and return of the aircraft to its aerodrome.

In addition, the fighter is a promising radar complex with a phased antenna array "Irbis", which has unique characteristics to date in terms of target detection.

MODIFIATIONS OF THE FIGHTER


The name of the Su-35 was originally worn by the modernization of the Su-27 front-line fighter developed in the 1980s. and subsequently served as the basis for the experimental super-maneuverable Su-37 fighter (the project is closed, the developments are used to create the "new" Su-35 in the 2000-s.).
Su-35С - the main modification for the video conferencing of Russia. Unlike the "original" Su-35, in particular, it does not have a front horizontal tail and brake flap.

The Su-35C fighter was the final stage before the appearance of fifth-generation T-50 fighters (PAK FA) in the Russian Aerospace Force. It is planned that its mass production should begin in the 2017 year, and at the same time the plane will begin to enter into service with the combat troops of the Russian Federation Air Force.
But even with the T-50, the Su-35C fighter will be a very effective combat vehicle with great modernization potential.
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  1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 7 February 2016 09: 30 New
    20
    For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable - it remains only to crush it in English!
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 7 February 2016 09: 33 New
      50
      Our pilots will have fun there! Good luck men!
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 7 February 2016 11: 00 New
        31
        Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
        For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable - it remains only to crush it in English!

        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Our pilots will have fun there! Good luck men!

        pleased with the presence of modern weapons in Syria (combat experience is expensive). just let’s do without praises - (I say again) indestructible equipment does not exist in principle. the main thing is the competent and skillful use of weapons. for which I hope ...
        (for which I will drink) drinks
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 7 February 2016 11: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: self-propelled
          Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
          For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable - it remains only to crush it in English!

          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          Our pilots will have fun there! Good luck men!

          pleased with the presence of modern weapons in Syria (combat experience is expensive). just let’s do without praises - (I say again) indestructible equipment does not exist in principle. the main thing is the competent and skillful use of weapons. for which I hope ...
          (for which I will drink) drinks

          I agree with you ... Well, guys for Russian weapons! drinks
          1. cniza
            cniza 7 February 2016 12: 16 New
            15
            And for the men who control these weapons and of course for all the developers and manufacturers, thank you. drinks
      2. RUSIVAN
        RUSIVAN 7 February 2016 11: 19 New
        +8
        I support your irony, but you cannot so arrogantly think about enemies, no matter what our potential is.
      3. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 7 February 2016 13: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Our pilots will have fun there! Good luck men!

        I hope that soon this bastard will understand - with whom he contacted ... winked
      4. karpah
        karpah 7 February 2016 18: 43 New
        -24 qualifying.
        Our Air Force is in awe of the SU-35. And after the arrival of the T-50, our Air Force can generally be closed. After all, all of progressive humanity knows that the F-35 is a flying iron designed to cut dough, and Russian weapons are the best in the world. That's just non-progressive humanity does not know about this, so I propose to create an English version of the site.
        1. Alf
          Alf 7 February 2016 21: 34 New
          11
          Quote: karpah
          I propose to create an English version of the site.

          Create. You will be very pleased to feel there as the only visitor and admin! Although no, there very soon Svidomo will catch up with the Censor.
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 7 February 2016 21: 40 New
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          Quote: karpah
          Our Air Force is in awe of the SU-35. And after the arrival of the T-50, our Air Force can generally be closed.

          Quote: Rumata
          For a serious blow to Turkey, you need to hit thousands of targets

          Quote: Rumata
          And if you decide? How do you like Moscow to ashes? On the basis of what are you sure that NATO will not respond to nuclear weapons?

          An article about the plane, and the people have already unleashed a nuclear war. wink
          Nuclear parity still exists. Rather, the "powerful of this world" will solve problems by force without the use of "Kuzka's mother" on the territory of third countries, which is now happening in long-suffering Syria. The variant of such events has confirmation. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq ... It is not excluded that Israel may turn out to be the third country. He has more chances of being ashes than Moscow.
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 7 February 2016 22: 01 New
            +2
            Actually, the most harmful EEs were concentrated in London and New York. In Israel, almost all the funniest Jews (orthodoxes) live, and therefore there is too little sense in destroying it. May Israel live in the midst of a flourishing Middle East!
        3. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 7 February 2016 21: 55 New
          +1
          So do it, no one will forbid you. Good luck in hard work. laughing
        4. GSH-18
          GSH-18 7 February 2016 23: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: karpah
          Our Air Force is in awe of the SU-35. And after the arrival of the T-50, our Air Force can generally be closed.

          Your air force can rest, because your entire army does not pose any serious threat to the army of RUSSIA. And the Russian Federation does not perceive Israel as an enemy. So relax and do not mondrazhat. Mondrage will Erdogan. hi
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 February 2016 23: 56 New
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            Quote: GSH-18
            Yes, and the Russian Federation does not perceive Israel as an enemy

            And it is right. And then I will have to tear in half - my only (and very beloved) daughter - now lives in Israel. How did it happen:

            - she is from Komsomolsk (this is about his wife so far)
            - when it became completely worthless - the parents dumped in Israel. My father worked on the Star, or what is there, in Komsomolsk - I don’t remember .. not a submariner nirazu, not my profile.
            - in 2007 his wife dumped there. The former already. 17 years together, carried in my arms .. they called me there (I was already a programmer then .. not one of the last, in the Pts of a Western company) - I went there on vacation (the first in five years), and said - "guys, this is not my country"..

            Total:

            - the child served there in the army
            - the child is married there .. to the guy who God forbid is not 15 years younger than me
            - The child is GOOD, and I know that. 3rd year of university, specialty - biochemistry .. practice, moreover :)

            I would not touch Israel and its army. People are very good at working, that civilians, that the military. My respect. But - the country is not mine, let them live as they know. And I myself, without an ensemble ..

            PS: and also the office tried to send me to Switzerland, but that is a separate issue :)
            1. Lunaaron
              Lunaaron 8 February 2016 21: 57 New
              +2
              Hold on! And then they will send it somewhere else ... :-))))
              Israel is a good place, but painfully responsible!
        5. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 8 February 2016 15: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: karpah
          and Russian weapons are the best in the world.

          What are these minuses for these words?
        6. arnulla
          arnulla 8 February 2016 16: 57 New
          0
          Do you work as a clown in your free time? Or is your main occupation clowning?
        7. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 8 February 2016 23: 07 New
          +2
          Our Air Force is in awe of the SU-35. And after the arrival of the T-50, our air forces can be closed altogether

          Why are you so boiled over? Nobody seems to bother you yet ... Do you really want to check? The superiority of Russian weapons over "the best examples" is usually proved by the mountains of corpses, rivers of blood, shattered countries. If someone's air force needs to be closed, are there any doubts that we will close them? We cover ten meters into the ground. Itching? Better scratch the boch against the fence, and wave your tail more often.
        8. KaPToC
          KaPToC 9 February 2016 12: 47 New
          0
          Your irony is apparently related to the latest fifth-generation Israeli fighter laughing remind us its name.
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 February 2016 22: 41 New
        +9
        Syrian premiere: what the newest Su-35С is capable of

        Maybe a little off topic, but could not resist. In a previous article on the site, we immediately went on to compare the Su-35C vs F-22. Having a little understanding of the nuances of the real tactical use of the American superspanzer, I came to the conclusion F-22 is a machine for special operations (strictly!) And not for real combat use in full-scale collisions with a real enemy! It turned out one very important point of its combat use. After everyone! Departure aircraft must be packed in special hangar for testing the integrity and reliability of its radio coverage - as a result, the daily rotation of the aircraft is (ATTENTION!) 2! it's just ridiculous. Any of our Su generation 4 can perform much more flights per day. And yet, this means that for F-22 needs special airfield! That is, if, for example, an airfield is destroyed by "Calibers", then the "superiority" of the F-22 is also a kirdyk. That's it request
        Su-35S and T-50 THE BEST PLANES IN THE WORLD! And with the KS-172 missile (air-to-air) with a range of 400km, these are our kings of air. Amerikozy and this is not close. Hi Lockheed Martin hi
        1. poquello
          poquello 7 February 2016 23: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          Syrian premiere: what the newest Su-35С is capable of

          Maybe a little off topic, but could not resist. In a previous article on the site, we immediately went on to compare the Su-35C vs F-22. Having a little understanding of the nuances of the real tactical use of the American superspanzer, I came to the conclusion F-22 is a machine for special operations (strictly!) And not for real combat use in full-scale collisions with a real enemy! It turned out one very important point of its combat use. After everyone! Departure aircraft must be packed in special hangar for testing the integrity and reliability of its radio coverage - as a result, the daily rotation of the aircraft is (ATTENTION!) 2! .

          and this is one of the reasons for launching f35, it’s still expensive and still expensive to maintain, the Indians along the way burn the thigh
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 8 February 2016 14: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: poquello
            and this is one of the reasons for launching f35, it’s still expensive and still expensive to maintain, the Indians along the way burn the thigh

            There is one BUT ... the fact is that Lightning, in essence, is an attempt to make the Raptor cheaper both in price in general and in terms of exploitation, so many of the lizard's diseases were successfully passed on to his younger brother, in addition to their own "ailments" .But to think that by creating the PAK FA and SU-35S we will create a parity of forces in this matter, because there are already about 160 Lightinigs, albeit "raw".
            In addition, the Chinese, Koreans and Europeans are stepping on our heels. And it’s not a fact that in ten years the quality of fighters will be equal. And therefore it’s premature to rejoice. I need a good start and work ahead of schedule. Already, the very same mattresses are working hard on the fighter 6th generation, taking into account developments on the X-47V, Raptor, etc.
            And if today we talk about fighters, then I agree, until PAK FA, the 35th best in its class, became operational.
            1. poquello
              poquello 9 February 2016 00: 05 New
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              ... Already, the very same mattresses are working hard on the 6th generation fighter, taking into account developments on the X-47V, Raptor, etc. ...
              .

              they are obsessed with lasers, they’ll make a fuss of it on a fighter plane, I hope our hell with a screw will be demonstrated to them on this subject
      6. OlegLex
        OlegLex 8 February 2016 16: 35 New
        0
        the fact that our pilots will have fun there!?, you know in war is not up to fun. and good luck, too, to wish for an omen, it’s not really like speaking of the last departure instead of an extreme departure - you know a bad omen. in general, an equal sign to them, so that the number of take-offs equals the number of landings, and there are more stars
      7. bearing73
        bearing73 8 February 2016 20: 23 New
        0
        The Washington Times, the transfer of fighters to Syria is a signal for Turkey: the Su-35, together with the S-400, gives Russia the opportunity to defend its aircraft anywhere in the Middle East region with weapons that are superior to NATO weapons.
    2. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 7 February 2016 09: 49 New
      12
      Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said he does not advise "competing" with Su-35S fighters in Syria.
      “We sincerely do not recommend competing with this bird in the sky of Syria,” he said on Facebook, adding a 2013 video to the recording.
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 7 February 2016 10: 05 New
        -59 qualifying.
        Why fighters? Turks infantry and tanks crush all + Igilovtsy + Merikos. One aviation and air defense, there you will not scare anyone.
        1. paxil
          paxil 7 February 2016 10: 20 New
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          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          Why fighters? Turks infantry and tanks crush all + Igilovtsy + Merikos. One aviation and air defense, there you will not scare anyone.

          There is still there and the army of the SAR do you remember? Which on earth do I mean laughing and which has been fighting for 4 years, now Russia has thrown them new weapons. They pile up the Turks and others like them, and the fighters guarantee that the Turks and whoever there decide to bomb, and it is clearly said that they can work on ground targets. am
          1. DIVAN SOLDIER
            DIVAN SOLDIER 7 February 2016 10: 32 New
            -9
            SAR has only just begun to squeeze out the Ishilovites a little, and that is with the help of the Aerospace Forces, the Iranians. The Turks have 700 thousand troops !!!! And the Syrians have 150 at best.
            1. afrikanez
              afrikanez 7 February 2016 11: 33 New
              21
              Suvorov Turks pounded, too, with a large superiority in numbers. It's not about quantity!
              1. Forest
                Forest 7 February 2016 13: 23 New
                +5
                Now is not the 18 century, you won’t go to a tank with a machine gun and you won’t intimidate a shell with a formidable view.
              2. demchuk.ig
                demchuk.ig 8 February 2016 15: 53 New
                0
                Quote: afrikanez
                Suvorov Turks pounded, too, with a large superiority in numbers. It's not about quantity!

                I do not think that the Syrian army is more professional than the Turkish, and even during this time many professionals have been killed!
            2. Manitoo
              Manitoo 9 February 2016 17: 02 New
              0
              Yeah - and all 700 thousand are going straight to Syria - they should concentrate on the Syrian theater at least the same as the SAR 150 thousand - there will already be a breakthrough! By the way, the Turks only have 400 thousand front-line troops - the remaining 200 thousand reserve.
          2. obraztsov
            obraztsov 7 February 2016 10: 46 New
            16
            The Turkish army is considered the second most powerful in NATO. No hatred. The ATS will not be able to cope in it. Moreover, Turkey will be on the side of Daesh. This is not even considering that Turkey has approximately 250 fighters. Though not the most modern, but this is a clear superiority over the number of our aerospace forces in this region. C400 will certainly help to cope with some of them, but agree not so much. And it is not known how many missiles Turkey can launch in the area where our C400 is based.
            1. Idiot
              Idiot 7 February 2016 11: 03 New
              10
              The Turkish army has no traditions. They were always beaten, we are more often than others. NATO's combat readiness is also exaggerated. In Europe, only Germans can fight.
              1. obraztsov
                obraztsov 7 February 2016 12: 24 New
                13
                I have no doubt in our final victory. We beat the Turks and beat again. But I think that our group in Syria and the SAR are now in great danger.
                1. LeftPers
                  LeftPers 8 February 2016 10: 22 New
                  +4
                  Well, you forgot the ships in the Caspian and the Black, and there are funny rackets))
              2. Bijo
                Bijo 7 February 2016 12: 53 New
                +4
                Quote: pft, fkb
                Turkish army has no traditions

                Why so categorically. And the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed 2, the capture of Constantinople, and remember 1918, the Turks defeated the French and the British. Their military traditions are very rich. Well, the fact that we beat them does not mean that there are no traditions. Whom did we not beat? You can't remember all Germans, French, Japanese, Swedes, Finns, Poles. There is such a metaphysical theory that God gave each people his talent. Germans and Franks-builders and engineers, Italians-fashion designers, artists, generally gifted with a talent for art, the East (Japanese, Chinese) copy "the creations of human hands", as they used to copy the habits of animals (wushu, kong-fu), the Turkish merchants, and so on for all nations I do not remember. But the Russians are wars, because we really can not do anything but fight (except to build beautiful churches and monasteries). We are proud only of military victories and fortitude and courage in defeats. 1/6 of the land, over which the sun does not set, is confirmation of this. A.S. Pushkin is wrong about Moscow "War - how much in this word has merged for the Russian heart"
                1. poquello
                  poquello 7 February 2016 15: 46 New
                  10
                  Quote: Bijo
                  ... But the Russians are wars, for we can’t really do anything except to fight (except to build beautiful churches and monasteries). We are only proud of military victories and fortitude and courage in defeats. 1/6 of the land over which the sun does not set, confirmation of this ...

                  Enumerate Russian scientists and travelers will be long, minus yours.
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 17: 50 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Bijo
                    1/6 of the land over which the sun does not set
                    This is what they said about Britain when the sun shone even on one of the colonies. But we don’t need someone else’s fame and epithets. We have our own. Which our great poets and artists sang in their works. Tyutchev, Pushkin, Repin, Vasnetsov- - Great warriors judging by your one-sided theory.
                    1. Seal
                      Seal 7 February 2016 20: 37 New
                      +2
                      This is what they said about Britain when at least one of the colonies the sun was shining.

                      For the first time - it's about Spain. Throughout the sixteenth century, Spain received the equivalent of 1.5 trillion US dollars (in 1990 prices). The country sits on a golden needle. This is the time of Siglo de Oro - Golden Age of Spain. The phrase about an empire over which the sun never sets is about Spain.
                    2. shasherin.pavel
                      shasherin.pavel 8 February 2016 15: 40 New
                      0
                      If you remember
                      Quote: Thunderbolt
                      Tyutchev, Pushkin,
                      , then capitalize the Sun, "the star is called the Sun".
                  2. Bijo
                    Bijo 7 February 2016 20: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: poquello
                    Enumerate Russian scientists and travelers will be long, minus yours.

                    Yes, but in the creation of weapons and in dual-use technologies, our scientists and designers distinguished themselves more noticeably than in civilian life. For travelers, the Spaniards and the Portuguese traveled more than ours. Marco Polo, Vasco da Gama, Columbus cannot be surpassed by anyone.
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    Tyutchev, Pushkin, Repin, Vasnetsov --- great warriors judging by your one-sided theory.

                    Yes, great wars, but wars "words" and "brushes" singing in Tyutchev's way "you are my blessed land, you are the land of the Russian people", Vasnetsov "The Knight at the Crossroads", battle painters Surikov and Vereshchagin, and also Lermontov with Borodino, Tvardovsky, Sholokhov, Yes, almost all famous Russian and Soviet writers and artists sang the feats of arms of our people.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 7 February 2016 22: 14 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Bijo
                      Yes, but in the creation of weapons and in dual-use technologies, our scientists and designers distinguished themselves more noticeably than in civilian life. For travelers, the Spaniards and the Portuguese traveled more than ours. Marco Polo, Vasco da Gama, Columbus cannot be surpassed by anyone.
                      .

                      Polo, Gama and Columbus are known thanks to societies for exaltation of the European navels, for the rest they did not consider civilization. Well, Magellan would be cited as an example, smoke Przhevalsky, Miklouho-Maclay, Bellinghausen, Bering, Kruzenshtern.
                      Oh yeah! Mendeleev created dual-use weapons; Tsiolkovsky and Zhukovsky also distinguished themselves.
                2. Seal
                  Seal 7 February 2016 20: 32 New
                  +1
                  Well, why so categorically. And the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed 2, the capture of Constantinople, and remember 1918, the Turks defeated the French and British.

                  There are traditions. And if it’s completely honest, it’s not worse than ours. Yes, Suvorov beat the Turks. But I agree that, alas, Alexander Vasilievich in his articles always exaggerated the number of Turks opposing him. Well, however, he is not alone.
                  So at A.P. Ermolova in his notes is a wonderful place.
                  In Wallachia, Lieutenant General Miloradovich ruled, and on a rare day there was no holiday, which he himself and others forced to make his amiable for fun. I lived a lot of fun, visited holidays, went for walks, listened to his stories about victories and, incidentally, about the battle at Obilesti. “I, having learned about the movement of the enemy,” he says, “went forward; according to rumors, he was among 16000 people; I wrote in a relational report that I defeated 12, and in fact there were no more than four thousand Turks. ” His enterprise in this case makes him a lot of honor!

                  Always, when I re-read this place, only one thought comes - Miloradovich, like Bagration and some others, was A.V.'s favorite student Suvorov. Did he learn to write relations from Alexander Vasilievich?

                  But .. but it's not a tradition. The point is the ability to fight. The Turkish army has not fought since 1923. That is almost 100 years old. Bearers of the traditions of the reflection of the Anglo-French landing in the Dardanelles in 1915 have long been gone, not only in the Turkish army, but also alive. Yes, Turkey has a large army. But what percentage of Turkish troops was under rocket and artillery fire? Yes, no. There was no one. That is, the Turkish army is an unshooted army. And among the Syrians, even the generals almost all were under fire. They learned to command in real combat conditions. And the Syrian soldiers - to fight in real combat conditions. I believe that the battery of our Solntsepeks, which will fire even at the Turks, and the terrain in front of them, will quickly make the Turkish army return to its borders.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 7 February 2016 21: 19 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Seal
                    .
                    So at A.P. Ermolova in his notes is a wonderful place.
                    In Wallachia, Lieutenant General Miloradovich ruled, and on a rare day there was no holiday, which he himself and others forced to make his amiable for fun. I lived a lot of fun, visited holidays, went for walks, listened to his stories about victories and, incidentally, about the battle at Obilesti. “I, having learned about the movement of the enemy,” he says, “went forward; according to rumors, he was among 16000 people; I wrote in a relational report that I defeated 12, and in fact there were no more than four thousand Turks. ” His enterprise in this case makes him a lot of honor!

                    Always, when I re-read this place, only one thought comes - Miloradovich, like Bagration and some others, was A.V.'s favorite student Suvorov. Did he learn to write relations from Alexander Vasilievich?
                    .

                    Less earned, under Obilesti only killed Turks were more than three thousand.
                    Suvorov’s attempt to slander this yes, this is a swing.
                    A good name is an affiliation of every honest person, but I concluded a good name in the glory of my Fatherland, and all my deeds tended to his prosperity. Self-esteem, often a humble veil of fleeting passions, never controlled my deeds.
                    A.V. Suvorov
                    1. Seal
                      Seal 7 February 2016 22: 08 New
                      -1
                      Less earned, under Obilesti only killed Turks were more than three thousand.
                      Suvorov’s attempt to slander this yes, this is a swing.

                      You too minus. For trying to defame A.P. Ermolova.
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 7 February 2016 22: 22 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Seal
                        Less earned, under Obilesti only killed Turks were more than three thousand.
                        Suvorov’s attempt to slander this yes, this is a swing.

                        You too minus. For trying to defame A.P. Ermolova.

                        but the fact that Ermolov or Miloradovich were talking, didn’t allow the skullcap to suggest?
                    2. shasherin.pavel
                      shasherin.pavel 8 February 2016 16: 35 New
                      +1
                      Quote: poquello
                      killed Turks were more than three thousand.

                      There were four thousand, lost three thousand ... If it was written "the Turks had one thousand, and the dead were counted three thousand," then it would be worth thinking. With complete defeat "woe to the vanquished!" Then they thought little about humanity towards the enemy, they did not sign the Geneva Conventions ... and then thousands of people captured could be impaled or their heads chopped off. The losers expected little good from the winners.
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 9 February 2016 01: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: shasherin.pavel
                        Quote: poquello
                        killed Turks were more than three thousand.

                        There were four thousand, lost three thousand ... If it was written "the Turks had one thousand, and the dead were counted three thousand," then it would be worth thinking. With complete defeat "woe to the vanquished!" Then they thought little about humanity towards the enemy, they did not sign the Geneva Conventions ... and then thousands of people captured could be impaled or their heads chopped off. The losers expected little good from the winners.

                        yeah, four thousand Turks amicably killed about 4,5 thousand Miloradovich
                3. andrew42
                  andrew42 9 February 2016 13: 35 New
                  0
                  Turkey should not be humiliated as regards military traditions. It's right. But it is difficult to agree about "Turkish traders". And their "military tradition" is very peculiar, with robbery as an indispensable condition: in one hand a scimitar in the other - a sack for a swag. Since the times of Sanjar and Alparslan, nothing has changed. Wolves. The weaker one will be slaughtered like a lamb and they will not doubt what they have done. And the Slavs were never pure warriors. They always fought bravely - yes. But labor was always in the first place, and the sword was purely in reserve. An indicator of this is the death of Slavic Europe: the crusaders captured Branibor, Lipsk, Schwerin not because weak tribes were sitting there, or, on the contrary, warlike to the point of stupidity. But because the Slavs lived RICH, and the greed of the future margraves overshadowed the fear of death and the fear of unacceptable losses. So military traditions are very different, and with the Turks we are definitely not on the way.
              3. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 7 February 2016 14: 54 New
                +6
                Quote: pft, fkb
                In Europe, only Germans can fight.

                Not anymore. And they themselves regret about this.
            2. Idiot
              Idiot 7 February 2016 11: 03 New
              -1
              The Turkish army has no traditions. They were always beaten, we are more often than others. NATO's combat readiness is also exaggerated. In Europe, only Germans can fight.
              1. Dryuya2
                Dryuya2 7 February 2016 11: 32 New
                11
                saw koment on GA
                decided to post here.
                a small explanation of "IKHTAMNET" is "those that are not there" wink yes
                =======
                Allow a couple of interesting points. marked in the framework of the operation conducted by the Armed Forces of the SAR / Syrian militia / Iraqis / Lebanese Hezbollah / IRGC of Iran (or maybe there is already Basij there?), as well as by the Afghan Kurds with the support of the Russian Aerospace Forces and
                1. Well, how much work, time and some mother needed to be spent to work out a UNIFIED plan of offensive operation for this whole motley company, where different components differ in language (Arabic and Farsi), nationality, religion, the most important thing is level of equipment (including communications), armament, combat effectiveness, controllability ...
                Honestly, even from the history of the Great Patriotic War one cannot recall such a hodgepodge, maybe our people in Korea faced similar problems, but there were only three sides
                But all the combat orders / orders had to be written, translated from Ikhtamnet, brought to the attention of the commanders of different units / detachments of this multi-tribal army, so that the local commanders understood "what to do and where to go" in each specific time period, to organize INTERACTION. .. If you could also carry out synchronization, gathering everyone to the heap ... this is really a FEAT.
                2. But the hostilities still had to be controlled. Honestly, knowing the Syrians love for PRECISE reports (others are not better) - just collecting data about the real location of the contact line of the troops, data about the enemy and about their troops ... it's just how complicated. How really it was possible to solve everything - I do not know. probably it was necessary to have with each commander of an nthamnet with a translator, signalman and means of communication
                3. A tremendous respect both to those who organized the fire support of military operations (aviation and artillery), to the aviation and artillery gunners, and to those who performed this task.
                and continued - screen
            3. Lukich
              Lukich 7 February 2016 13: 13 New
              +6
              Quote: obraztsov
              This is not even considering that Turkey has approximately 250 fighters. Though not the most modern, but this is a clear superiority over the number of our aerospace forces in this region.

              Are you sure that our "Calibers" will let them rise into the air? it is not in vain that the Varyag stands off the coast of Syria. and in the Caspian and Black Sea everything is already ready for such a scenario
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 7 February 2016 13: 44 New
                +8
                Quote: Lukich
                Quote: obraztsov
                This is not even considering that Turkey has approximately 250 fighters. Though not the most modern, but this is a clear superiority over the number of our aerospace forces in this region.

                Are you sure that our "Calibers" will let them rise into the air? it is not in vain that the Varyag stands off the coast of Syria. and in the Caspian and Black Sea everything is already ready for such a scenario

                I can confuse something, but isn’t it on the Varangian c-300f, not Caliber? And how does one Varangian stop the Turkish air force?
                1. ultra
                  ultra 7 February 2016 13: 57 New
                  +2
                  There RCC P-1000 Volcano 16 PU, well, and S-300f by itself.
                2. Lukich
                  Lukich 7 February 2016 14: 50 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Rumata
                  I can confuse something, but isn’t it on the Varangian c-300f, not Caliber? And how does one Varangian stop the Turkish air force?

                  "Bastion" stands on the Varangian. analogue of "CALIBRA". so he will not let them take off. I'm talking about this. not shoot down in the air, but on the ground. coordinates of airfields have long been known
                  1. Rostovchanin
                    Rostovchanin 7 February 2016 15: 10 New
                    +8
                    "Bastion" stands on the Varangian. analogue of "CALIBRA". so he will not let them take off. I'm talking about this. not shoot down in the air, but on the ground. coordinates of airfields have long been known

                    what nonsense? what "Bastion"? on the Varyag P-1000 "Volcano" is ... The volcano is imprisoned for the destruction of ships
                    1. Lukich
                      Lukich 7 February 2016 16: 58 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Rostovchanin
                      on the Varyag P-1000 "Volcano" is ... The volcano is imprisoned for the destruction of ships

                      wrong. I confused it with the "Rostov-on-Don" square, which "Caliber" worked on the ISIL. I just wanted to say that our air group may not have to fight in the air. it is possible to solve problems with Turkish aviation with "Calibers" on the ground, and what will take off to finish off air defense assets
                      1. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 18: 37 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Lukich
                        not to shoot down in the air, but on the ground. the coordinates of airfields have long been known

                        "The plan of the Turkish General Staff for the dispersal of aviation in a threatened period" I hope you also have at hand? The runways from where the efki can take off are not limited only to their airbases (and even these bases have protective shelters, by the way). Therefore, there will be few coordinates, with each plane will have to be dealt with practically separately. This is, of course, if you do not use thermonuclear ammunition. And if they are used, then Turkey will have to be "wiped into dust." We have such an opportunity to quickly withdraw the Turkish army from the game with conventional weapons. But the Khmeimim base with a group of ships and our communications in the event of a conventional war immediately find themselves under CONCENTRATED strikes. The people even do not want to look at the maps. request )))
                  2. opus
                    opus 8 February 2016 21: 51 New
                    0
                    Quote: Lukich
                    "Bastion" stands on the Varangian.

                    Paaatyatno ... belay
                    can relax.
                    Quote: Lukich
                    Are you sure that our "Calibers" will let them rise into the air?

                    and 250 "calibers" are there?
                    And can I explain how RCC (or CR) can not let the F-16 fly?
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 9 February 2016 13: 17 New
                0
                Quote: Lukich
                Are you sure that our "Calibers" will let them rise into the air? it is not in vain that the Varyag stands off the coast of Syria. and in the Caspian and Black Sea everything is already ready for such a scenario

                laughing Well, I think calibers will not hit planes. The caliber is not the same, I apologize for the tautology wassat there are C300, C400, Mig 31 and other air defense systems for aircraft, and TU-160 can be used for powerful bombs under the guise of fighters at airfields in case of emergency.
                In which case, gauges are most likely to work out monitoring / tracking stations, hangars, gas storages, and BP storage facilities.
            4. Jrvin
              Jrvin 7 February 2016 13: 50 New
              +3
              Well, we don’t sit around the same way, we have the same thing to take to the air in Russia itself ... and an army without aviation is a herd ... remember how the Germans fell into the Second World War on the western front ...
            5. Alf
              Alf 7 February 2016 22: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: obraztsov
              And it is not known how many missiles Turkey can launch in the area where our C400 is based.

              Will not start. It is one thing to steal one 24th stealthily and a blow to the military base of another state is quite another thing. If my memory serves me well, according to World Law, an unprovoked blow to the armed forces of one country by another country is an act of declaration of war.
              Let's calculate the situation.
              Turkey begins the invasion of Syria and strikes at our base. According to the military science of all countries, the invasion should be carried out in a massive manner, with the concentration of all armed forces against the enemy. This means that the border with Russia will be practically open.
              This does not mean that Russia will immediately launch an invasion of Turkey, but there will be nothing to repel a missile strike from Turkey. Only Russia and the United States currently have a real missile defense system. The blow will be delivered to headquarters, command post and air bases. And if we consider that most of the Turkish air force will be concentrated on the border in Syria, then Russia will very quickly "deploy an umbrella" over all of Turkey. AND EVERYTHING.
              On the occasion of the 5th point of the doctrine of NATO. The US will not climb into a full-sized fight with Russia. It is fraught with the 3rd World War. And without the US, not a single NATO country would risk it, not that gut.
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 7 February 2016 22: 30 New
                -4
                Quote: Alf
                This means that the border with Russia will be practically open.

                Are Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan up to date on the Russian-Turkish border?
                Z.Y
                Russia does not have a full missile defense system.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 7 February 2016 22: 35 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rumata
                  Russia does not have a full missile defense system.

                  The fact that there is is enough to repel a missile strike from Turkey.
                  1. Rumata
                    Rumata 8 February 2016 02: 32 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Alf
                    Quote: Rumata
                    Russia does not have a full missile defense system.

                    The fact that there is is enough to repel a missile strike from Turkey.

                    In Moscow you are right, I doubt the rest of the territory.
                    1. opus
                      opus 8 February 2016 21: 59 New
                      0
                      Quote: Rumata
                      , I doubt the rest of the territory.

                      Did I miss something.
                      Turkey is about to launch a missile strike on
                      Quote: Rumata
                      territory

                      Russia?

                      and what?
                      J-600T Yıldırım I or 2?
                      (tongue break a plin)


                      whole moschu so to speak

                      -------------------------------------

                      (the green zone is a distant perspective, pink is for SOM, which, as it were, does not exist .., but what is "shorter" we are not interested in)
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 9 February 2016 13: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: Rumata
                  Are Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan up to date on the Russian-Turkish border?

                  The strike can be delivered from the Black Sea and from the Caspian through Iran, I think the Iranians will not mind much.
                3. Manitoo
                  Manitoo 9 February 2016 17: 18 New
                  0
                  But do we not border on the Black Sea or do you think that missiles and aircraft do not fly across the sea? And on missile defense, what the Turks have is also knocking down air defense.
            6. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 8 February 2016 15: 36 New
              +2
              In 1939, the Polish army ranked second in Europe in its power, surpassing even France in some ways ... Continue to continue?
          3. DMM2006
            DMM2006 7 February 2016 12: 44 New
            +8
            And not only SAR, the Iranian guards of the Islamic revolution are now arriving there in full growth, and I will tell you the power. The stench now coming from the Saudis, Bahrain and the UAE is connected with this. After all, the Shiites, who are in a relative minority, created the SIR Corps precisely to resist the Sunites (read the Wakhabis) of the Saudis, and not the Amers who are afraid to get in there. And now, clearing the southern border of Syria, they actually hang over the soft underbelly of Saudi Arabia. These are the ones with fear and seething. Well, the Iranians' "friendship" with the Turks is so ancient that just give the opportunity and the descendants of the Ottomans will suddenly get fucked up.
            So DIVAN SOLDIER cannot be underestimated by enemies, but you also don’t really need to overestimate them ..
          4. Forest
            Forest 7 February 2016 13: 22 New
            +3
            Turkey only has more troops at its borders than Syrians along the entire front line. Moreover, the SAA has almost no normal means of anti-theft and armored vehicles.
          5. Rumata
            Rumata 7 February 2016 13: 28 New
            +3
            The ATS has no chance against the Turks, how you came to a different conclusion I don’t understand ..
            1. ultra
              ultra 7 February 2016 14: 00 New
              +5
              Nobody argues, but only in the case of aggression against Syria, we will have to connect the same, and this is a different scenario.
        2. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 7 February 2016 10: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          all crush + igilovtsy + merikosy

          Saudi Arabia and Qatar were forgotten + like they were going to - horror in one word.
          1. Drmadfisher
            Drmadfisher 7 February 2016 12: 48 New
            -11 qualifying.
            damn, in Siberia we’ll cut the whole forest for coffins
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 8 February 2016 16: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: DrMadfisher
              in Siberia we’ll cut the whole forest for coffins

              But what else is there in Siberia left, not all of it exported to China?
          2. ziqzaq
            ziqzaq 7 February 2016 14: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: Dryuya2
            Saudi Arabia and Qatar were forgotten + like they were going to - horror in one word.

            This is accurate, the menagerie is still the same ....
        3. Idiot
          Idiot 7 February 2016 10: 55 New
          +2
          Perhaps only without NATO. There are no fools in NATO.
        4. Idiot
          Idiot 7 February 2016 10: 55 New
          0
          Perhaps only without NATO. There are no fools in NATO.
        5. RUSIVAN
          RUSIVAN 7 February 2016 11: 21 New
          +1
          Undoubtedly, you are our "Chief ANALYST OF THE YEAR", congratulations ...
          Thank God there are no analysts like you in the Russian Defense Ministry ...
        6. aleks26
          aleks26 7 February 2016 11: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          One aviation and air defense, there you will not scare anyone.

          And this depends on what ammunition to use.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 13: 12 New
            +4
            By the way, about ammunition. I did a little research here. German Typhoon reconnaissance aircraft (reconnaissance over Iraq and Syria) are based at Incirlik airbase. From which squadron is the 43-60 aircraft? From the 33rd Luftwaffe air squadron. the one whose pilots were trained to use the thermonuclear bombs upgraded at the end of last year, and the aircraft underwent the corresponding additional equipment. ******************** Tornado IDS. (45-07) This Tornado bears the designation of the 33rd Fighter-Bomber Aviation Squadron (JBG 33), which is stationed at Büchel Air Base, and its aircraft carry nuclear weapons - American B61-12 bombs. The picture shows the plane with the MW-1 container.
            1. SAN31
              SAN31 7 February 2016 18: 26 New
              +2
              I think our 4 Su35s can also carry nuclear-filled products.
            2. Alf
              Alf 7 February 2016 22: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              At the Incirlik airbase, German Typhoon reconnaissance aircraft are based (reconnaissance over Iraq and Syria). From which squadron is the 43-60 aircraft? From the 33rd Luftwaffe air squadron. From the one whose pilots are trained to use the modernized thermonuclear bombs last year, and the aircraft underwent the corresponding additional equipment.

              Question. And which body can give permission for the use of nuclear weapons? No one will seriously fight for Turkey. But the use of nuclear weapons will not be discussed at all.
        7. VP
          VP 7 February 2016 13: 14 New
          +3
          Tank and motorized infantry columns without cover from the air is not a pretty idea.
          1. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 8 February 2016 16: 49 New
            0
            Quote: VP
            Tank and motorized infantry columns without air cover is not a very beautiful idea.

            Well, why ... maybe there’s not enough scrap metal in the country, but then two three hours and regret for re-melting ... how many needles can you make?
        8. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 8 February 2016 15: 34 New
          0
          Above are crocodiles with ATGMs, even higher than the Su-35 and MiG-29, to clean the air, and your tanks burn ... It’s enough to recall the 41 when artillery and tanks were destroyed by the Yu-87. Not the best planes, but with the air supremacy of the Luftwaffe, a thunderstorm for the entire Red Army. And only by equalizing the number of aircraft near Moscow did you get the opportunity to fight on the ground.
      2. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 7 February 2016 10: 41 New
        0
        The US and the Turks will be afraid to fly up into the air. They are sure that they are waiting for them if, nevertheless, fate will push them in the air with the Russian S-35s, only land rapidly flying to meet them!
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 7 February 2016 11: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: kod3001
          The US and the Turks will be afraid to fly up into the air. They are sure that they are waiting for them if, nevertheless, fate will push them in the air with the Russian S-35s, only land rapidly flying to meet them!

          It seems to me that if it touches, then they will not be able to take off, but who can ... then C400, the fleet and DRY ... request
        2. Rumata
          Rumata 7 February 2016 13: 50 New
          +2
          4 SU-35s, they will be punished by all the NATO air forces, then they will be caught up and punished again. It is as if the USA would transfer 4 F-22s to Georgia and would scare them all the Russian Air Force. Circus
          1. VP
            VP 7 February 2016 13: 59 New
            +4
            Have you already ordered NATO to strike at the airdrome, or have you already sat on the Internet?
          2. ultra
            ultra 7 February 2016 14: 01 New
            +1
            Do you think that NATO will harness for Turkey.
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 8 February 2016 17: 07 New
              0
              It is necessary to remember Poland 1939 and France 1940 all had allies, but someone joined? Ask the French, they are still confident that the British abandoned them and because of them, France lost to Hitler. And the destruction of the French fleet by the British ...
          3. From Samara
            From Samara 7 February 2016 15: 17 New
            +7
            Quote: Rumata
            4 SU-35s, they will be punished by all the NATO air forces, then they will be caught up and punished again. It is as if the USA would transfer 4 F-22s to Georgia and would scare them all the Russian Air Force. Circus


            We are talking about a full-blown conflict. A massive blow will immediately be dealt to Turkey from all directions, from the Mediterranean, from the Caspian Sea, from Armenia, from the Crimea, possibly through Iran. The Turkish air forces will not live for half an hour!
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 7 February 2016 15: 34 New
              -1
              Quote: From Samara
              Quote: Rumata
              4 SU-35s, they will be punished by all the NATO air forces, then they will be caught up and punished again. It is as if the USA would transfer 4 F-22s to Georgia and would scare them all the Russian Air Force. Circus


              We are talking about a full-blown conflict. A massive blow will immediately be dealt to Turkey from all directions, from the Mediterranean, from the Caspian Sea, from Armenia, from the Crimea, possibly through Iran. The Turkish air forces will not live for half an hour!

              Damaged by what? If you do not take into account nuclear weapons than the Russian Federation can massively cover the Turks? Kp Thousands of Caliber are needed for this. Are you sure they are? Even considering YES, not everything is as simple as the second strongest army in NATO ...
              1. From Samara
                From Samara 7 February 2016 15: 48 New
                +6
                Quote: Rumata
                Quote: From Samara
                Quote: Rumata
                4 SU-35s, they will be punished by all the NATO air forces, then they will be caught up and punished again. It is as if the USA would transfer 4 F-22s to Georgia and would scare them all the Russian Air Force. Circus


                We are talking about a full-blown conflict. A massive blow will immediately be dealt to Turkey from all directions, from the Mediterranean, from the Caspian Sea, from Armenia, from the Crimea, possibly through Iran. The Turkish air forces will not live for half an hour!

                Damaged by what? If you do not take into account nuclear weapons than the Russian Federation can massively cover the Turks? Kp Thousands of Caliber are needed for this. Are you sure they are? Even considering YES, not everything is as simple as the second strongest army in NATO ...



                Objectively speaking, it became the second army in NATO from the weaknesses of NATO countries in Europe ...

                What is applied? Why a lot of things. Why is everyone focused on Caliber ... in Russia there are a lot of Ballistic missiles, especially Point U, Point, Point P, Iskander ... Yes, and Cruise missiles besides Caliber are in abundance-X-101, X-102, X -20, X-22, X-55, Termites, Mosquitoes, Amethysts, Malachites, Basalts, Granites, Onyx, Yakhonts ...

                So the Turks will have to scratch their turnips!
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 7 February 2016 16: 21 New
                  -3
                  For a serious blow to Turkey, you need to hit thousands of targets. The war between neighbors is one thing, and the remote war between two strong opponents is quite another ... Turkey has 98 airports, several hundred runways. Headquarters, radar, air defense. Only the United States could seriously hit Turkey from far away.
                  1. Lex.
                    Lex. 7 February 2016 19: 44 New
                    +1
                    Only the USA could seriously hit Turkey from far away.)))
                    Dart Circus
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 7 February 2016 19: 46 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Lex.
                      Only the USA could seriously hit Turkey from far away.)))

                      Yes, but we can do it point blank ...
              2. SAN31
                SAN31 7 February 2016 18: 09 New
                +3
                That is how, in case of conflict, a nuclear warhead will be used, and not one. Because we do not have guarantees of non-aggression of NATO on Russia, and Turkey is a member of NATO. Therefore, Turkey’s crossing of the Syrian border, de facto, is a declaration of war. Moreover, the guarantor said the streets were taught to beat first.
              3. Lex.
                Lex. 7 February 2016 19: 42 New
                +3
                Damaged by what? If you do not take into account nuclear weapons than the Russian Federation can massively cover the Turks? Kp Thousands of Caliber are needed for this. Are you sure they are? Even considering YES, not everything is as simple as the second strongest army in NATO
                Do not disgrace Do you know how many calibers in Russia?
                Do not carry nonsense second in strength or do you really think that as in 41 will be ah?
                Russia will simply warn that it will inflict a tactical nuclear strike on bases in Turkey; there are many options and determination not to occupy Putin
                1. svp67
                  svp67 7 February 2016 19: 49 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Lex.
                  Thousands of Caliber are needed for this. Are you sure they are?

                  What are you fixated on some "Caliber", but for example about "Iskander" had to hear?
                2. Rumata
                  Rumata 7 February 2016 20: 25 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Lex.
                  Damaged by what? If you do not take into account nuclear weapons than the Russian Federation can massively cover the Turks? Kp Thousands of Caliber are needed for this. Are you sure they are? Even considering YES, not everything is as simple as the second strongest army in NATO
                  Do not disgrace Do you know how many calibers in Russia?
                  Do not carry nonsense second in strength or do you really think that as in 41 will be ah?
                  Russia will simply warn that it will inflict a tactical nuclear strike on bases in Turkey; there are many options and determination not to occupy Putin

                  Learn to quote, it’s not difficult. Respond to such a mess, a waste of time ...
          4. Lex.
            Lex. 7 February 2016 19: 36 New
            +1
            4 SU-35s, they will be punished by all the NATO air forces, then they will be caught up and punished again. It is as if the USA would transfer 4 F-22s to Georgia and would scare them all the Russian Air Force. Circus
            Only this Turkey shot down the Russian su-24 and not a turn. The machine will be tested in combat conditions
            1. svp67
              svp67 7 February 2016 19: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: Lex.
              Only this Turkey shot down the Russian su-24 and not a turn

              Let's just say that one could be proud of it, if the fight was more or less honest, and it would not even be a fight, pure shooting, shooting at an enemy who did not consider you an enemy.
              Quote: Lex.
              4 SU-35s, will punish all NATO air forces,
              Well, firstly, it’s not a fact that all NATO air forces will get involved. And against Turkey and its satellites, there should be enough forces. We have something to answer them in case of armed conflict. And the answer will not seem small, especially Turkey
              1. Lex.
                Lex. 7 February 2016 20: 27 New
                +1
                Let's just say that we could be proud of it if the fight was more or less honest,
                There is no honesty in a war
                1. svp67
                  svp67 8 February 2016 05: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: Lex.
                  There is no honesty in a war

                  Was there a war?
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          6. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 8 February 2016 17: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Rumata
            Rumata

            You have a strange feature, dear: the first sentence is positive, and the second is negative .. Do you really think that 4 or 40 f-22 can scare all the Russian Air Force? Did you see the size of Georgia on the map? No, apparently. With 25, miles under Monchegorsk, MiGs take off, while they gain altitude already over Karelia they fly. For your F-22 to gain a ceiling over Georgia, they need to fly into a neighboring country, first to the south, and then turn north.
        3. VP
          VP 7 February 2016 13: 57 New
          +8
          I won’t say anything about the Turks, but the Americans would have simply thrown the airdrome into tomahawks. One hundred axes in the first wave and the airfield can be reliably written off - its cover was not designed for such intensity.
          But the Americans are out of the game, they will not climb. But the Turks have nothing to do.
          1. ultra
            ultra 7 February 2016 14: 30 New
            -2
            Is this a joke about "axes"?
            1. VP
              VP 7 February 2016 18: 01 New
              +3
              Why do you think this is a joke? The US actions in Iraq and Libya have shown that they prefer first to disable the enemy’s military infrastructure with a massive missile strike and then, with a reduced threat of opposition, engage front-line aircraft.
              Or are you talking about the fact that the scenario of the US attack on our bases is, in principle, fantastic?
              So I completely agree with that. My post was just one who "let them swoop down, we'll hit everyone."
    3. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 7 February 2016 10: 03 New
      -3
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable

      It would sound nice - SU-35S "Handsome" laughing
      1. paxil
        paxil 7 February 2016 10: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Pravdarm
        For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable
        It would sound nice - SU-35S "Handsome"

        Well, if according to the NATO classification SU-34 / Destroyer / then SU-35 can be called / Destroyer /, but what’s normal. wink
        1. cap
          cap 7 February 2016 11: 16 New
          0
          Quote: paxil
          Quote: Pravdarm
          For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable
          It would sound nice - SU-35S "Handsome"

          Well, if according to the NATO classification SU-34 / Destroyer / then SU-35 can be called / Destroyer /, but what’s normal. wink


          Yandex translation - pretty boy (handsome).
          Handsome. And the cabin, yours!
          I am for "handsome" drinks Let the "partners" peel off.
          Now, diapers, they will certainly begin to issue Turkish flyers, at the rate of contentment.
          1. tomket
            tomket 7 February 2016 12: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: cap
            Yandex translation - pretty boy (handsome).
            Handsome. And the cabin, yours!
            I'm for "handsome" Let the "partners" peel off

            NATO's Tu-22 was "handsome", or rather a charm, then they decided that it was too laudable.
            1. Alf
              Alf 7 February 2016 22: 43 New
              0
              Quote: tomket
              NATO's Tu-22 was "handsome", or rather a charm, then they decided that it was too laudable.

              Tu-22M codification of NATO: backfire - “Reverse Fire”)
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 9 February 2016 13: 51 New
          0
          Quote: paxil
          Well, if according to the NATO classification SU-34 / Destroyer / then SU-35 can be called / Destroyer /, but what’s normal.

          belay I think it's better to call "Eraser" was such a filmets with the participation of the unforgettable Arnie ...
          And all sorts of krasauchiki and destroyers is from the evil one.
    4. gjv
      gjv 7 February 2016 10: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      it remains only to English to re-interpret

      Flanker-Е + - giving ass (giving p_i_z_dyuley). bully
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    6. EFA
      EFA 7 February 2016 10: 26 New
      +2
      Yes, they have everything just to horror, in English (most likely ass kicker, or variations). It’s better to let them learn Russian, we have expressions, including swearing, richer.
    7. The black
      The black 7 February 2016 10: 29 New
      +3
      For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable - it remains only to crush it in English!
      Well, it’s something like this: to give a face ... or vermek, yüzüne (in Turkish) lol
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 7 February 2016 11: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: Black
        : to give a face ... or vermek, yüzüne (Turkish)

        Literate and funny, Adako. laughing
      2. Rumata
        Rumata 7 February 2016 13: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Black
        For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable - it remains only to crush it in English!
        Well, it’s something like this: to give a face ...


        In English, this is a meaningless set of words. In slang, this is to make someone cunnilingus, it seems to give a head, only this is for a woman doing a blowjobrequest
    8. cap54
      cap54 7 February 2016 15: 12 New
      +1
      something like this: giving blows
    9. Army1
      Army1 7 February 2016 17: 35 New
      +6
      Of course, the Su plane is magnificent, but let's not forget that there are 4 units there this time recourse . So, judging by the news reports, there is a chance that a whole coalition will organize an invasion. Naturally, we cannot cope with the forces of one group, on the basis of this, I hope that our General Staff worked on this issue. I am thinking that strategic aviation is slowly getting ready, and even the flotilla and ground complexes of the Southern Military District, if you are not ready. Apparently, we are taking on Turkey, and Iran will support us against mongrels like the UAE and so on. Also, for sure, in which case our tactical aircraft can be relocated to Iran.
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      1. 1rl141
        1rl141 7 February 2016 19: 57 New
        0
        Quote: karpah
        Our Air Force is in awe of the SU-35. And after the arrival of the T-50, our Air Force can generally be closed. After all, all progressive humanity knows that the F-35 is a flying iron designed to cut dough, and Russian weapons are the best in the world


        Your Air Force certainly does not tremble before the SU-35. They are just stupidly obscene and do not have time to wash their pants. From your Air Force scum to the entire Middle East. You even close the windows there, do not disgrace the nation.
    11. hrapon
      hrapon 7 February 2016 19: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable - it remains only to crush it in English!


      Easy - "Inhellsending" - sending to hell.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 7 February 2016 20: 27 New
        -1
        Quote: hrapon
        Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
        For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable - it remains only to crush it in English!


        Easy - "Inhellsending" - sending to hell.

        3 errors -)
    12. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 February 2016 22: 58 New
      -1
      As the Washington Times writes, in turn, the transfer of fighters to Syria is a signal for Turkey: Su-35 together with C-400 gives Russia the opportunity to protect their aircraft anywhere in the Middle East region with weapons that surpass NATO weapons.

      Absolutely accurately noticed. The standard weapons of the Su-35 include a unique ultra-long air-to-air missile KS-172 With a range of destruction of FOUR HALF kilometers. These are the things, gentlemen of America and the Turks. soldier
    13. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 8 February 2016 10: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable - it remains only to crush it in English!

      maybe a "flying arctic fox" ?!
    14. saltickov.
      saltickov. 8 February 2016 16: 45 New
      0
      No, why should I disclose everything etc.?
    15. Bochik
      Bochik 9 February 2016 21: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      For su35, the name "giving lyulya" is suitable - it remains only to crush it in English!

      A bit cumbersome: "Givinging wallops"
  2. venaya
    venaya 7 February 2016 09: 33 New
    +2
    Stern predicts Russian fighter success in the global arms market.

    Only the presence of such a handsome man in Syria is able to solve very, very many problems, by the way not only of our country and Syria, but has a more global significance for the whole situation in the world.
  3. avvg
    avvg 7 February 2016 09: 35 New
    +1
    Russia in Syria, in practice, shows the aggressive West that Russia has what it will answer the West.
  4. pest
    pest 7 February 2016 09: 35 New
    16
    Handsome man plane. Respect to all who created it. I think in Syria, the barmalei will appreciate, it’s a pity that they will not tell ...
    1. Eggor
      Eggor 7 February 2016 09: 43 New
      +9
      Quote: pest
      Handsome plane

      1. lwxx
        lwxx 7 February 2016 15: 33 New
        +2
        People, please tell me why on the planes the inscription of the Air Force, and not the VKS? The planes are like new, supposedly just from the factory, and the inscriptions are old.
        1. Eggor
          Eggor 8 February 2016 09: 15 New
          +1
          Organizationally, the VKC Armed Forces of Russia include three types of troops:

          Air Force;
          Air and missile defense troops;
          Space troops.

          On the basis of the command and control bodies of the East Kazakhstan and Air Force Troops, the Office of the Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces and the General Staff of the Aerospace Forces have been formed, and the associations, formations and military units of the Air Force and East-Kazakhstan Oblasts have been transformed into three branches of the Airborne Forces: the Air Force, the Air Defense and Missile Defense Forces, and the Space Forces .

          (c) Wikipedia
    2. Seal
      Seal 7 February 2016 22: 04 New
      0
      http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2044150
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 February 2016 09: 35 New
    +4
    After reading, there is nothing to say. Internal satisfaction from not standing still, but developing.
  6. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 7 February 2016 09: 36 New
    10
    No, the car is beautiful, and yet I hope that it won’t reach the air battles!
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 7 February 2016 10: 14 New
      -13 qualifying.
      That is revenge for su24 will not happen?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 7 February 2016 10: 51 New
        +7
        Revenge is different. You can quickly and painlessly, but you can long and painfully ...
      2. cap
        cap 7 February 2016 11: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        That is revenge for su24 will not happen?


        It is useless sitting with the Russians at the same table to look for blue cheese,
        or Kostroma cheese with holes. hi
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 7 February 2016 17: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: cap
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          That is revenge for su24 will not happen?


          It is useless sitting with the Russians at the same table to look for blue cheese,
          or Kostroma cheese with holes. hi

          Well, yes .... We have "Susaninsky", well, you all know about this story. There are cheeses and butter from Bogovarovo ... It's 600 km from me. And our cheeses are the cheesiest!
          1. poquello
            poquello 7 February 2016 18: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: sabakina
            .
            Well, yes .... We have "Susaninsky", well, you all know about this story. There are cheeses and butter from Bogovarovo ... It's 600 km from me. And our cheeses are the cheesiest!

            I bought Armenian Masdam yesterday, I wonder if they make it there or carry it there
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 February 2016 09: 38 New
    +3
    Great car, and very timely appeared. Let the adversary scratch his turnips. How can he attack Syria when such "birds" are hanging overhead? This is our "response to Erdogan". So as not to try ...
  8. izya top
    izya top 7 February 2016 09: 43 New
    58
    As noted by Stern, the Russian Su-35С is considered to be the most dangerous fighter in the world today, with the exception of the American X-NUMX generation F-5.

    The United States tested a 21st century weapon - an electromagnetic railgun gun.

    Which, thinly smiling, to Lavrov, as if by chance, Kerry said, carefully following the reaction of the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

    “How interesting,” said Lavrov calmly. - And how does it work?

    - Oh, this is the highest technology! - Kerry shone and brought to the tablet a colorful diagram in 3D. - Here are two rail-electrodes, and between them the mass of mass accelerated to great speed. Everything works on electricity. Firing range up to two hundred kilometers, a shell of ten kilograms! This is a real breakthrough! No one has any analogues. What a beautiful one!

    “Beautiful,” agreed Lavrov. - And as for the analogues, you are mistaken. We have a railgun for a long time.

    - Can not be! Cried Kerry.

    “And I, John, will draw my scheme now, though not as beautiful as yours, but as I can.”

    And Lavrov drew two parallel lines, between them drew several small squares, and from the small squares he drew a long dotted line, at the end of which he wrote "KHRYATSY !!!". I thought a little and attributed “DB”.

    - What is it? - surprised Kerry, looking at the drawing.

    “These are two rails, and between them is a military railway missile system with six Yars accelerated by two locomotives. Everything runs on fuel. The firing range is eleven thousand kilometers, each with warheads of three hundred kilotons. Railgun "Barguzin", as we call it. There’s even a song about him: "Hey Barguzin, move Yars - fly not far off." You can take the scheme, John - I’ll draw it for myself.

    Kerry choked and through a cough asked Lavrov to write down the words of the song on the diagram.
    1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Great-grandfather of Zeus 7 February 2016 09: 58 New
      +9
      Izya topsyzya, you’ll go uphill so soon, become a regular storyteller! Plus from me!
      1. izya top
        izya top 7 February 2016 10: 01 New
        10
        Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
        Izya topsyzya, you’ll go uphill so soon, become a regular storyteller! Plus from me!

        not mine tongue steal from the network repeat
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 7 February 2016 10: 11 New
          12
          Quote: izya top
          I do not steal mine from the network

          Izya laughed for a long time, thanks, keep +, but "Barguzin" is still in the project, they promise to launch it by 2020-25, but Stalin in Potsdam in 1945 also grinned at Churchill about the atomic bomb. hi
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 7 February 2016 10: 58 New
            +5
            IZYA TOP, this is not "stealing", this is "spreading propaganda". drinks
          2. Seal
            Seal 7 February 2016 20: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: 79807420129
            "Barguzin" is still in the project, they promise to launch by 2020-25

            With Barguzin, now everything is somehow complicated.
            The restoration of the BZHRK in Russia was the most controversial topic in the development of strategic nuclear forces. A number of military personnel at the General Staff expressed doubts that such a type of armament is necessary. Moreover, he opposed the BZHRK ... and its developer!
            The already mentioned Yuri Solomonov in 2011 said that MIT has completed the elaboration of a preliminary design of the new BZHRK. As a result, according to Solomonov, it was established that this method of basing does not give any advantages over conventional PGRK in terms of secrecy and survivability, but it is associated with significant infrastructure costs and is more vulnerable to terrorist attacks. It is difficult to suspect Solomonov in the fight against competitors, since MIT was the lead performer for Barguzin, on which they put the Mars missile of the Yars complex.
            In January 2016, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Sergei Karakaev (and he, according to Lenta.ru sources in the military department, was just in favor of creating new BZHRK) told the Military-Industrial Courier newspaper: “In 2017, a report on his prospects ( "Barguzin" - approx. "Tape.ru" deployment) should be presented to the president. "
            In December 2015, a source in the defense industry informed TASS that “due to the difficult financial situation and the resulting budgetary constraints,” the deployment of Barguzin was attributed to at least 2020. Earlier, in 2014-2015, the deadline for completing work on the BZHRK was set first for 2018, and then for 2019.
            In 2017, the Kremlin, based on the state of the economy, will decide to reduce a number of military programs - and Barguzin, the attitude to which is both ambiguous and among the military, is the first candidate for the flight.
        2. cap
          cap 7 February 2016 11: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: iza top
          Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
          Izya topsyzya, you’ll go uphill so soon, become a regular storyteller! Plus from me!

          not mine tongue steal from the network repeat


          Stole-shared with friends. So you laughing Robin Hood.
  9. AlexTires
    AlexTires 7 February 2016 09: 46 New
    +2
    19 November 2015, the state-owned corporation Rostec, announced the conclusion of a contract for the supply to China of 24 Su-35 fighters, and the People's Republic of China will be the first foreign buyer of these aircraft.

    Money is good, of course, but can we do more for ourselves first before selling it to others?
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 7 February 2016 12: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: AlexTires
      Money is good, of course, but can we do more for ourselves first before selling it to others?


      That's the point, you have to have money. And they earned on the sale to China and India of the SU-30s and MIG-29s. The same with the SU-35s, unfortunately.
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 7 February 2016 09: 49 New
    21
    I do NOT like these brave materials on VO, well, at least kill.
    They threw 4 Su-35S planes and we’ll put the whole region on our ears, underestimate the enemy again? Turkey can compete with us and be afraid, but NATO stands behind the Turks. Even if they don’t stand up for their vassal, but simply provide us with material and technical support it will not be easy there.
    1. Nick888
      Nick888 7 February 2016 10: 09 New
      +8
      If the fifth article is about, then we can answer this with the Military Doctrine, which clearly states that when the enemy uses superior conventional weapons, we reserve the right to use nuclear weapons, not necessarily strategic, tactical enough.
      I don’t think anyone in Europe wants to see their country in nuclear ashes due to some Turkish ambitions.
      1. cap
        cap 7 February 2016 11: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Nick888
        If the fifth article is about, then we can answer this with the Military Doctrine, which clearly states that when the enemy uses superior conventional weapons, we reserve the right to use nuclear weapons, not necessarily strategic, tactical enough.
        I don’t think anyone in Europe wants to see their country in nuclear ashes due to some Turkish ambitions.

        Here I am about that. They pulled up their NATO charter. am
      2. Rumata
        Rumata 7 February 2016 14: 06 New
        -10 qualifying.
        And if you decide? How do you like Moscow to ashes? On the basis of what are you sure that NATO will not respond to nuclear weapons?
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 7 February 2016 17: 35 New
          +3
          Quote: Rumata
          And if you decide? How do you like Moscow to ashes? On the basis of what are you sure that NATO will not respond to nuclear weapons?

          Based on the fact that you want to live! Or have you changed your mind about living?
        2. poquello
          poquello 7 February 2016 18: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Rumata
          And if you decide? How do you like Moscow to ashes? On the basis of what are you sure that NATO will not respond to nuclear weapons?

          doesn’t you have to try very hard to get to Moscow, if at all, just the point? - it will be cold
        3. Nick888
          Nick888 7 February 2016 19: 34 New
          +1
          If you're talking about the USA, then the answer is the same.
          The United States will not throw nuclear weapons in Russia because of the guaranteed response, again, because of some already Europe. His shirt is closer to the body.
        4. Lex.
          Lex. 7 February 2016 19: 47 New
          +1
          And if you decide? How do you like Moscow to ashes? On the basis of what are you sure that NATO will not respond to nuclear weapons?
          For Turkey no one will not fight in Europe, not crazy they live very well
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 February 2016 20: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: Lex.
            How do you like Moscow to ashes?

            Just as for you, the radioactive ash of Istanbul settles on Jerusalem ...
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 7 February 2016 20: 32 New
              -1
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Lex.
              How do you like Moscow to ashes?

              Just as for you, the radioactive ash of Istanbul settles on Jerusalem ...

              He does not know how to quote, a spoiled phone. And on the topic, Turkey is a member of NATO. An attack using nuclear weapons, which is a response from the entire block. Why did many decide that they were afraid to answer Russia? Collective security rests on this.
              1. GSH-18
                GSH-18 7 February 2016 23: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: Rumata
                Why did many decide that they were afraid to answer Russia? Collective security rests on this.

                Their "collective security" is a US fiction that serves to maintain control over the Eurovassals. In fact, the states will not go for it because of some kind of Turkey. And their intestines are thin.
              2. svp67
                svp67 8 February 2016 04: 59 New
                -1
                Quote: Rumata
                An attack using nuclear weapons, which is a response from the entire block. Why did many decide that they were afraid to answer Russia?

                Only if a NATO country was attacked by someone else, but if a NATO country, on its own initiative, unleashed a war, then this is its "private matter ..."
        5. APASUS
          APASUS 8 February 2016 21: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Rumata
          And if you decide? How do you like Moscow to ashes? On the basis of what are you sure that NATO will not respond to nuclear weapons?

          Under this American authority, I’m even sure that it will be so. Reviewing the ups and downs of history, I was very inspired with respect for the 35th President of the United States, John F. Kennedy, the man had the brains to stop the global nuclear war. (Obama) will not have enough!
          At the same time, I see no reason to rejoice you, as a resident of Israel, do you think your hair will fall out differently from everyone ???
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 7 February 2016 10: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      I do NOT like these brave materials on VO

      And these materials are not for us, but for the "partners". Such subtle hints
    3. SPACE
      SPACE 7 February 2016 11: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      They threw the 4 of the Su-35С aircraft and we’ll put the whole region on our ears, again we underestimate the enemy? T

      And this is just an advanced outpost, if you want a demonstration exercise, a game of muscles, before a possible fight, just to prevent it from a reasonable calculation, just do not provoke it unnecessarily. In general, the weight categories like a pygmy with a giant are more reminiscent of a small street punks incited by elders on a serious uncle, this kind of petty policy from the gateway, to try a tooth and evaluate the upcoming enemy, others do not mind.
      For possible occasional brawls this over the eyes, and if it comes to serious hassles, which is doubtful, you will need completely different more serious toys, with all the ensuing consequences, in this story either Turkey or NATO will not put an end to it, but the United States will crawl into mink behind the puddle.
    4. aleks26
      aleks26 7 February 2016 12: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      I do NOT like these brave materials on VO, well, at least kill.

      And this is one of the elements of information warfare. Americans have been practicing this for a long time. Think of a desert storm. Working. The goal is to demoralize the enemy, and raise the morale of their own. Not to be confused with euphoria. The main thing is that "at the top and where necessary" the realists work.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 7 February 2016 14: 09 New
        -3
        As children. All such news is for internal use only, cheers-patriotism for the authorities, better than discontent. The economy is breaking through the bottom and the best way to reassure people is to rattle your arms. Read the comments above and understand that it works.
        1. ultra
          ultra 7 February 2016 14: 33 New
          +7
          Thank God that you are an adult and teach us "the orphaned and the poor." laughing
          1. Rumata
            Rumata 7 February 2016 14: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: ultra
            Thank God that you are an adult and teach us "the orphaned and the poor." laughing

            Do you think ordinary Americans don’t care about the Pacific Fleet exercises, articles about which are just everywhere? Or do you think that it was a surprise for the special services? How many Russians panic because of the BALTOPS exercises or the transfer of something to Poland? Everyone on the drum, there are more serious problems.
            But for propaganda this is the very thing. To tell how afraid everyone is, there is panic in NATO, Obama hid under the table because of 4 planes. There are three articles on the VO about the SU-35 and each one has the same narrative - "let us just stick it out, and we will tear the Turkish Air Force and NATO Air Force, because there is now a Su-35 there !! 11rasras"
            Where else it went, but these same, or similar articles, are everywhere. On all sorts of Yaplakal, near-news, even flickered on a hub And everywhere the reaction is the same - everyone is afraid, we’ll tear everyone, Obama hm about. What if not propaganda?
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 7 February 2016 17: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: Rumata
              Quote: ultra
              Thank God that you are an adult and teach us "the orphaned and the poor." laughing

              Do you think ordinary Americans don’t care about the Pacific Fleet exercises, articles about which are just everywhere? Or do you think that it was a surprise for the special services? How many Russians panic because of the BALTOPS exercises or the transfer of something to Poland? Everyone on the drum, there are more serious problems.
              But for propaganda this is the very thing. To tell how afraid everyone is, there is panic in NATO, Obama hid under the table because of 4 planes. There are three articles on the VO about the SU-35 and each one has the same narrative - "let us just stick it out, and we will tear the Turkish Air Force and NATO Air Force, because there is now a Su-35 there !! 11rasras"
              Where else it went, but these same, or similar articles, are everywhere. On all sorts of Yaplakal, near-news, even flickered on a hub And everywhere the reaction is the same - everyone is afraid, we’ll tear everyone, Obama hm about. What if not propaganda?

              You let it go, let off steam, or it will really explode when you don’t need to ... Hello, circumcised.
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 7 February 2016 18: 50 New
                -1
                Good luck in an emergency, there you belong "marshal"
            2. GSH-18
              GSH-18 7 February 2016 23: 42 New
              0
              Quote: Rumata
              On all sorts of Yaplakal, near-news, even flickered on a hub And everywhere the reaction is the same - everyone is afraid, we’ll tear everyone,

              No need to worry so much. Well yes, break the pattern. The praised and touted F-22s and F-35s weren’t as cool (to put it mildly) as American traders imagined them to be their vassals, with the goal of bringing in more expensive stale goods — nothing personal, just business request And your Netanyahu still hasn't read (unlike other ameropartners) WHAT the American "friends" from the ameroVPK want to sell him for not sickly money (I mean possible deliveries of F-35) lol
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 8 February 2016 02: 37 New
                0
                After your "kindergarten analytics" on F-22 above, I see no reason to prove something. So come on by ...
  11. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 7 February 2016 09: 50 New
    +4
    The accomplices of the terrorists would have to understand what awaits them and deflate. But apparently the brain of a Neanderthal is a hindrance to this. Zika virus is to blame for everything.
  12. barbiturate
    barbiturate 7 February 2016 09: 57 New
    +5
    Yes, the plane may be good, but Turkey has a lot of modern American aircraft, all the infrastructure and completely different information conditions for introducing its aircraft into battle. First of all, if a collision in the air breaks out, there will be hope for a layered system of deployed air defense systems, from under the cover of which it will be possible to work for our fighters and immediately bring down, because there are few of ours and the AWACS plane we have there. The Turks can even blunt our base out of howitzers on the ground, so ...
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 7 February 2016 10: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: barbiturate
      The Turks can even blunt our base out of howitzers on the ground, so ...

      And we from the Kurds .. I think this option is being worked out! (as a last resort Israel will be hit by missiles of "unknown origin)) Let them sort it out later! I think the Mossad has been informed ... hi
      And here the info went through, about deliveries of rocket engines to Ukraine ... (some were intercepted ..))) And I think the rest have arrived at their destination and are waiting for the team .. That’s it, comrades!
      1. Hello
        Hello 7 February 2016 17: 20 New
        0
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        And we from the Kurds .. I think this option is being worked out! (as a last resort Israel will be hit by missiles of "unknown origin)) Let them sort it out later! I think the Mossad has been informed ...
        And here the info went through, about deliveries of rocket engines to Ukraine ... (some were intercepted ..))) And I think the rest have arrived at their destination and are waiting for the team .. That’s it, comrades!

        Field Marshal snack sometimes helps wassat
    2. Sura
      Sura 7 February 2016 10: 26 New
      +6
      These are not shooters, if it gets too hot, something serious, nobody will bother with air chases and shootouts with artillery, it will take a long time and costly, they will use "Calibers", X-55, X-101 and others like that. There is nowhere to take off and there is nothing, nothing to shoot from and no one.
      A couple of years ago there were joint US-Chinese exercises with the use of F-22 in large quantities, the Chinese did not bother with shooters, but massively hit the airfields and lost the US exercises.
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 7 February 2016 11: 38 New
        +8
        Quote: Sura
        A couple of years ago there were joint US-Chinese exercises with the use of F-22 in large quantities, the Chinese did not bother with shooters, but massively hit the airfields and lost the US exercises.

        Russia is just counting on this ...! This is the plan of the United States that we will adopt!
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 8 February 2016 00: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: barbiturate
      The Turks can even blunt our base out of howitzers on the ground, so ...

      They can't, my friend, believe me. The Turks with our group in Latakia will not be able to do anything AT ALL without outside help (which they cannot see). Our warriors are not as simple as they seem and they have enough surprises in store for the right occasion. And the Turks don't have them. That is why they are afraid of us with their "super army" yes
  13. Sergey333
    Sergey333 7 February 2016 10: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: AlexTires
    Money is good, of course, but can we do more for ourselves first before selling it to others?

    For yourself, what shisha do? The state doesn’t order much now, for example, Kazan Helicopter has already closed the delivery program for 2016 and is rushing around, looking for foreign customers so as not to fire workers.
  14. am808s
    am808s 7 February 2016 10: 01 New
    +4
    The advertisement is engine of the trade!
  15. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 7 February 2016 10: 09 New
    +3
    He weighs 35 tons! Well this is a flying tank, stunned! And I liked the resource - 30 years :)
  16. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 7 February 2016 10: 10 New
    +2
    When finally everyone admits that "4 ++" and "5" are one and the same. That in the technologies existing now, invisibility is unattainable and does not give anything except a multiple deterioration of other characteristics.
    1. sub307
      sub307 7 February 2016 10: 26 New
      +3
      Is it of fundamental importance to you? Well ... to be "recognized". In my opinion, it is much more important that our military aviation "did not disappear" completely in the proverbial 90s .... An excellent aircraft turned out and ... with a good development perspective. And how is the "generation" appointed: "4 +++" ... "5 -" .... not the point. Conventions ..., no more.
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  17. sania275
    sania275 7 February 2016 10: 13 New
    +4
    The plane will become dangerous with mass production, and not with piece copies.
  18. Sukhovei
    Sukhovei 7 February 2016 10: 24 New
    0
    The plane is good, no words. But are our pilots ready for its competent use? Wouldn't any dirty trick on the part of the Turks and the like turn out to be "unexpected"? I hope that our command will not behave with provocateurs as with Matthias Rust in the USSR and the answer will be tough and proportionate.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 7 February 2016 11: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Suchoway
      Wouldn't any dirty trick on the part of the Turks and the like turn out to be "unexpected"? I hope that our command will not behave with provocateurs as with Matthias Rust in the USSR.

  19. sontinianin
    sontinianin 7 February 2016 10: 44 New
    0
    Please tell me, who knows what percentage when assembling the aircraft, foreign components are used, and if they are present, then who is the supplier (country)?
    1. gjv
      gjv 7 February 2016 11: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: sontinianin
      who knows what percentage when assembling the aircraft, foreign components are used

      Information on the design of modern military equipment supplied to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation refers to information constituting a state secret. soldier
      The "crib" definitely does not contain imported electronics. bully
    2. eleronn
      eleronn 7 February 2016 11: 11 New
      +1
      I don’t know what percentage, but there are foreign components. I personally saw "VARTA" batteries
  20. kostolom
    kostolom 7 February 2016 10: 51 New
    0
    "the plane was piloted by the honored test pilot of the Russian Federation Sergey Bogdan."

    Damn, that's lucky the Man, all new items, including the T-50, are the first to lift into the air, "Komsa" RESPECT !!!
  21. Platonich
    Platonich 7 February 2016 10: 56 New
    +1
    Hello to Urkagan from Russia !!!
  22. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 7 February 2016 11: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Su-35 is equipped with turbojet engines with afterburner and thrust vector AL-41F1S controlled in one plane

    Tolley error in the article, I missed something. This engine with multi-directional control of the thrust vector was.
    1. gjv
      gjv 7 February 2016 11: 39 New
      0
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      I missed something

      AL-41F1S (Product 117C)
      Traction Vector Control:
      thrust vector deflection angles ± 15 ° in the plane
      thrust vector deflection rate 60 ° / s
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 8 February 2016 00: 14 New
      0
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Su-35 is equipped with turbojet engines with afterburner and thrust vector AL-41F1S controlled in one plane

      Tolley error in the article, I missed something. This engine with multi-directional control of the thrust vector was.

      On the Su-35S (which enters our Air Force) Install the 117C engine. Previous modifications of dvigla for export options.
  23. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 7 February 2016 11: 19 New
    +1
    Ours made a miracle from the Sukhoi Design Bureau, THANKS TO EVERYONE INCLUDING and to those who perfected these machines from the pilots.
    1. Seal
      Seal 7 February 2016 22: 00 New
      0
      http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2044150
  24. pensioneree
    pensioneree 7 February 2016 11: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: 79807420129
    Barguzin "is still in the project, they promise to launch it by 2020-25, but Stalin in Potsdam in 1945 also grinned at Churchill about the atomic bomb.

    I respect, but the "bluff" in the cards has not been canceled yet. Magnificent thing! angry
  25. Kirill
    Kirill 7 February 2016 11: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: self-propelled
    pleased with the presence of modern weapons in Syria (combat experience is expensive). just let’s do without praises - (I say again) indestructible equipment does not exist in principle. the main thing is the competent and skillful use of weapons. for which I hope ..

    I agree! Less euphoria! And then you read so throw the hats. It happened before. Let's wait. While fortunately nothing happens.
  26. jaroff
    jaroff 7 February 2016 11: 43 New
    +1
    "... On the Su-35 there are 12 external suspension nodes for attaching high-precision missiles and aerial bombs. Two more are for placing electronic warfare containers ..."
    Wrong. There are only 12 suspension points. On the ends, either V-V missiles are installed on the APU, or electronic warfare containers.
  27. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 7 February 2016 11: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Gormengast
    When finally everyone admits that "4 ++" and "5" are one and the same. That in the technologies existing now, invisibility is unattainable and does not give anything except a multiple deterioration of other characteristics.


    And who and where said that invisibility is a priority when creating generation "5"? not to be confused with a finger. No product will be invisible under any circumstances. Here are two very interesting links:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kr3Xk49NnE&feature=youtu.be
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arbyw7dZZRU

    РЈРґР ° С ‡ Рё РІ вросмотре РјР ° териР° Р »РѕРІ.
  28. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 7 February 2016 12: 00 New
    0
    Great car !!! Glad and proud of our videoconferencing !!!
  29. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 7 February 2016 12: 02 New
    +1
    The article is useful, but sometimes the "source of information" should at least see what came out of the pen / computer that "issued" this information to the public. This article jarred "on the Su-35 for the first time there is a domestic non-inertial navigation system - SINS", while it is about "Unformed inertial navigation system ".
  30. KryoWarrior1978
    KryoWarrior1978 7 February 2016 12: 25 New
    +1
    But the beautiful device, no doubt !!!!
  31. bad
    bad 7 February 2016 12: 32 New
    0
    The National Interest, in particular, quoted the words of a high-ranking Pentagon official who called these fighters "excellent and dangerous planes, especially if they were built in large numbers." The official compared the Su-35 with American aircraft and noted that the F-15 and F / A-18E when meeting with the Russian aircraft will be "busy".
    ... just about .. train your throat .. and tonsils just in case .. laughing
  32. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 7 February 2016 13: 02 New
    0
    very happy that new items are coming to the troops and not everything is exported
  33. shelva
    shelva 7 February 2016 13: 41 New
    0
    Tremble chocks and remember - we always beat the Turks, on land and at sea. Now you have a real opportunity to get a field ... in the air.
  34. kg pv
    kg pv 7 February 2016 13: 49 New
    +3
    19 November 2015, the state-owned corporation Rostec, announced the conclusion of a contract for the supply to China of 24 Su-35 fighters, and the People's Republic of China will be the first foreign buyer of these aircraft.
    And you can’t do without it at all ?!
    1. Balferov
      Balferov 7 February 2016 14: 37 New
      0
      Yes, it’s not morons, it’s corrupt TV.ARI, traitors to the fatherland, and STATE corporation.
  35. vair
    vair 7 February 2016 15: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: Forest
    Turkey only has more troops at its borders than Syrians along the entire front line. Moreover, the SAA has almost no normal means of anti-theft and armored vehicles.

    Yes! Well, just to use all this power is not realistic, in the conditions of mountainous terrain, and logistics. That they will trample on the crowd, on each other's shoulders in a narrow section - this is an excellent target, and not only for aviation!
  36. wwwwwww
    wwwwwww 7 February 2016 15: 38 New
    0
    Confident in their own power, the recognition and approval of others is not sought. SU-35s - a great car.
  37. Calter
    Calter 7 February 2016 16: 31 New
    +2
    The fighter is also equipped with a gun GSH-30-1 caliber 30 mm (ammunition - 150 cartridges).

    Since when is the gun ammunition carried out by cartridges?
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 7 February 2016 21: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: Calter
      The fighter is also equipped with a gun GSH-30-1 caliber 30 mm (ammunition - 150 cartridges).

      Since when is the gun ammunition carried out by cartridges?

      Cartridge (unitary cartridge, lat. Unitas - “unity”) - ammunition of small arms and small-caliber (up to 76 mm) gunswith which the weapon is loaded in one go. (see. Wiki)
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 13 February 2016 01: 13 New
        0
        I agree that the term "cartridge", applied to the gun, hurts the ear. The term "shell" is more familiar. But for now, in this case, both terms are equal.
  38. Resistance
    Resistance 7 February 2016 18: 48 New
    -4
    I really hope and am almost sure that there are no men there (including on the Su-35). And there are officers and men.
    Already reverses from the non-medieval standard of quality - man: o (((
  39. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 7 February 2016 19: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: kg pv
    19 November 2015, the state-owned corporation Rostec, announced the conclusion of a contract for the supply to China of 24 Su-35 fighters, and the People's Republic of China will be the first foreign buyer of these aircraft.
    And you can’t do without it at all ?!

    Under the current government, apparently it is impossible - you need to replenish the budget for the release of the T-50, and it is undesirable to curtail other programs, because every day it gets hotter. And the government does not want to part with the idea of ​​liberal capitalism and its all-regulating hand of a market that is not regulated by anyone! Therefore, we must endure until the next election - EP is already mandrapping (the rating of many of their local nominees is not so high). hi
  40. Russich
    Russich 7 February 2016 19: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: afrikanez
    Suvorov Turks pounded, too, with a large superiority in numbers. It's not about quantity!

    Now it is completely different .... there are no such large-scale applications of "infantry" as before. Now, artillery, aviation. And the Syrians are not Russians.
    1. poquello
      poquello 7 February 2016 20: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Russich
      Quote: afrikanez
      Suvorov Turks pounded, too, with a large superiority in numbers. It's not about quantity!

      Now it is completely different .... there are no such large-scale applications of "infantry" as before. Now, artillery, aviation. And the Syrians are not Russians.

      The great Russian and the best in the world among times and peoples, the commander Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov said - "Who is scared - half beaten."
      And then there was artillery, he had a history with artillery - the European allies after the battle of the captured captured cannons did not seem enough, so he ordered to give them all the cannons - "Let them take them, we will get ourselves some more."
  41. Things
    Things 7 February 2016 20: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Rumata
    For a serious blow to Turkey ...
    Only the United States could seriously hit Turkey from afar.

    In fact, only TU-160 can quite seriously hit Turkey.equipped with missiles X-55SM, X-555 and X-101) of which there are as many as 16 units in the Russian Aerospace Forces.
    However, they will not even enter the zone of defeat of Turkish air defense and aviation repeat
    But besides them, there are still quite "live" TU-95s, in the amount of about 26 units - with similar characteristics.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 7 February 2016 20: 38 New
      -2
      Quote: Asiat
      Quote: Rumata
      For a serious blow to Turkey ...
      Only the United States could seriously hit Turkey from afar.

      In fact, only TU-160 can quite seriously hit Turkey.equipped with missiles X-55SM, X-555 and X-101) of which there are as many as 16 units in the Russian Aerospace Forces.
      However, they will not even enter the zone of defeat of Turkish air defense and aviation repeat
      But besides them, there are still quite "live" TU-95s, in the amount of about 26 units - with similar characteristics.

      By a serious blow, I meant one that could seriously damage infrastructure, runways, bases, etc. they can, of course, how effective will it be?
  42. Erland
    Erland 7 February 2016 21: 33 New
    +3
    "We have already played the first half ....!"
    "Lord of the Ties"
    "Parashek Sean",
    who will be Pedrogan?
  43. Things
    Things 7 February 2016 21: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Rumata

    By a serious blow, I meant one that could seriously damage infrastructure, runways, bases, etc. they can, of course, how effective will it be?

    It is precisely in this context that it will be effective - they will puncture the "painful" points themselves.
    At least it will be much more effective (more painful) than one SU-24 shot down by them ...
    Although now, without any airstrikes, Turkey has robbed a lot of food and tourist sanctions, plus interruptions in the supply of stolen oil and the Kurds!
    1. akims
      akims 7 February 2016 23: 36 New
      +1
      Now not only from Russia do not go to Turkey - almost all Europeans forgot about it!
  44. ASUR
    ASUR 8 February 2016 08: 21 New
    0
    Quote: karpah
    I propose to create an English version of the site.


    Please translate to start:
    - yes, no, probably
    - Kuzkina Mother
    - your division

    wink fellow laughing
  45. complete zero
    complete zero 8 February 2016 09: 11 New
    0
    Quote: karpah
    Our Air Force is in awe of the SU-35. And after the arrival of the T-50, our Air Force can generally be closed. After all, all of progressive humanity knows that the F-35 is a flying iron designed to cut dough, and Russian weapons are the best in the world. That's just non-progressive humanity does not know about this, so I propose to create an English version of the site.

    Well, I won’t put a minus (not offended) and F 35 is a good machine (still the fifth generation), but the presence of Sukhoi 35 is a serious step for Russia .. or are you sir, our ardent hater?
  46. Xoyuschka
    Xoyuschka 8 February 2016 12: 24 New
    0
    "The aerodynamic scheme of the aircraft is made in the form of a twin-engine high-wing aircraft with a tricycle retractable landing gear with a front strut. The Su-35 is equipped with turbojet engines with an afterburner and an AL-41F1S thrust vector controlled in one plane, developed by the Saturn Research and Production Association (Rybinsk, Yaroslavl region).

    The 35C engine is responsible for the super-maneuverability of the Su-117. It was developed on the basis of its predecessors AL-31F, installed on Su-27 aircraft, but differs from them in increased thrust of 14,5 tons (versus 12,5 tons), longer service life and reduced fuel consumption. "
    Explain who knows which engine is on the plane? AL-41F1S or 117S ??? Or is it the same engine called?
  47. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 8 February 2016 12: 59 New
    -1
    As noted by Stern, the Russian Su-35С is considered to be the most dangerous fighter in the world today, with the exception of the American X-NUMX generation F-5.
    nobody considers him. doesn't count. Many will be surprised when in a real battle they collide with a car much older than themselves and lose. For Ponte!
  48. sgapich
    sgapich 9 February 2016 09: 30 New
    0
    Quote: shasherin.pavel
    Quote: poquello
    killed Turks were more than three thousand.

    If it was written "the Turks had one thousand, and the killed were counted three thousand", then it would be worth thinking.


    Then it would be the words of Psaki. smile
  49. Diviz
    Diviz 9 February 2016 09: 54 New
    0
    The main thing is that the su35 missiles are accurate and fast.
  50. Balagan
    Balagan 9 February 2016 17: 59 New
    0
    Well, the journey of a thousand starts with the first step, as our eastern neighbors say.
    Long and happy journey to the plane!