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Su-35S in Syria made the first sorties

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The newest Russian Su-35C fighters, who arrived at the Khmeimim airbase in Syria, recently made their first combat sorties. Until the moment of application in Syria, Russian Su-35 X-Generation 4 ++ fighter jets did not participate in combat operations. A couple of planes, while in the air, are able to control and then attack several targets at once within a radius of up to 400 km. Taking into account the fact that the readiness of the aircraft to take off is not more than a minute, Su-35С turns into a truly formidable weapon in the syrian sky.


TV channel LifeNews on its website presents a video of the first departures aircraft from the airbase "Khmeimim" in Syria.

Su-35S in Syria made the first sorties


It is planned that the Su-35C, which in Syria is, according to the latest data, four units, will use their full potential. And this potential is very great. The aircraft can attack right up to 8 of various targets, both air and ground. Its combat load is up to 8 tons.

If we talk about the speed of flight of the Su-35S, then it can fly to anywhere in Syrian airspace, taking off from the Khmeimim air base, within 15 minutes. The main task posed to the crew of the Su-35S in the Syrian Arab Republic is to ensure security aviation groups when performing combat missions.
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  1. rubidiy
    rubidiy 5 February 2016 19: 26
    38
    fool But can you still post the Su35 photo, and not the SU-30SM?
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 5 February 2016 19: 31
      10
      Quote: rubidiy
      But can you still post the Su35 photo, and not the SU-30SM?

      Heard and could.
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 5 February 2016 19: 39
        +9
        Quote: Fregate
        Quote: rubidiy
        But can you still post the Su35 photo, and not the SU-30SM?

        Heard and could.

        Well, yes they did. rubidiy who knew that you would look at the front plumage. laughing Here is a mihan below, too, not laid out. laughing
        1. cniza
          cniza 5 February 2016 19: 58
          +4
          Secret? probably, there are simply no pictures in normal format.
        2. vell.65
          vell.65 5 February 2016 20: 20
          +1
          Quote: keel 31
          Well, yes they did. rubidiy who knew that you would look at the front plumage. Here is a mihan below, too, not laid out.

          Sir, if you are good at airplanes, look at the end of the planes. This is 35.
          1. kil 31
            kil 31 5 February 2016 20: 33
            18
            Quote: vell.65
            Quote: keel 31
            Well, yes they did. rubidiy who knew that you would look at the front plumage. Here is a mihan below, too, not laid out.

            Sir, if you are good at airplanes, look at the end of the planes. This is 35.

            Sir, I see that this is SU-35. Just at first there was another photo, probably you did not find it. Read my post carefully. It also says that the editors heard rubidiy, it follows from this that they changed the photo. hi
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 6 February 2016 00: 49
              +2
              Do not quarrel! This happens! It happens that they indicate errors in the article, the article is corrected, comments can no longer be deleted! But questions remain for the editors! hi
        3. aktanir
          aktanir 5 February 2016 20: 40
          +1
          this is su-35s (pictured), one of the websites mentioned their tail numbers, and they are in front of us (pictured) - 03, 04, 05 and 06.
          1. almost demobil
            almost demobil 6 February 2016 05: 13
            0
            Quote: aktanir
            this is su-35s (pictured), one of the websites mentioned their tail numbers, and they are in front of us (pictured) - 03, 04, 05 and 06.

            A Th without weapons? laughing
        4. rubidiy
          rubidiy 6 February 2016 01: 43
          +8
          sorry for the harsh smiley, facespalm not. :)
          And the original photo was not far from the truth: Livenews are such unbearable laymen that announcing the arrival of the su-35, while in the frame of the su-30cm is the norm. :)
          The first channel to Khmeimim sent a lamb, which, pointing with a finger at the landing SU-24M, called it SU-30. They also sent a sheep that poked at the FAB-500 and said that it was high-precision guided bombs ...
          in general, the culture of journalism needs to be enhanced. :)
      2. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 5 February 2016 19: 44
        11
        Russian Aerospace Forces Poke Erdogan in the anus of an igil! am
        1. theadenter
          theadenter 6 February 2016 04: 38
          +1
          In this context of the message, the word "ZSunem" sounds blasphemous in relation to the Su aircraft.
      3. Wiruz
        Wiruz 5 February 2016 19: 45
        36
        By the way, here is a video from Russian Propaganda. RVV-DB, something is not visible, but RVV-SD and Khibiny are hi
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 5 February 2016 20: 39
          +5
          Quote: Wiruz
          By the way, here is a video from Russian Propaganda. RVV-DB, something is not visible, but RVV-SD and Khibiny are

          To scare a foreign note, you still need to be metered. And then the truth will go to fight Syria with fear
          1. Wiruz
            Wiruz 5 February 2016 20: 46
            +8
            To scare a foreign note, you still need to be metered. And then the truth will go to fight Syria with fear

            No, well, it's just silly to say that the Su-35 in Syria can detect and destroy targets at a distance of 400 km, but at the same time not show on the RVV-BD pylon.
            By the way, why did it all suddenly decide that it hits only 200 km? AND? At 200 km export flies! NU or intermediate, between medium and super long ranges hi
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 5 February 2016 21: 15
              +2
              Quote: Wiruz
              No, well, it's just silly to say that the Su-35 in Syria can detect and destroy targets at a distance of 400 km, but at the same time not show on the RVV-BD pylon.
              By the way, why did it all suddenly decide that it hits only 200 km? AND? At 200 km export flies! NU or intermediate, between medium and super long ranges

              ... we don’t have RVV-BD in service ... in the K-37 / K-37M design and experimental development stage ... since 2014 in the R-37 series ... range, well, in any case, the official 300 km, radio correction from the carrier up to 100 km. ... GOS 9B-1103M-350 ... target capture distance with an EPR of 5m2 of at least 40 km. ... hi
              1. Wiruz
                Wiruz 5 February 2016 21: 48
                +3
                ... we don’t have RVV-BD in service ... in the K-37 / K-37M design and experimental development stage ... since 2014 in the R-37 series ... range, well, in any case, the official 300 km, radio correction from the carrier up to 100 km. ... GOS 9B-1103M-350 ... target capture distance with an EPR of 5m2 of at least 40 km. ...

                If you are a person "in the subject", then, I think, confirm my guesses that RVV-MD / RVV-SD / RVV-BD is just ... mmm ... project names. The missiles themselves are called R-74M2 / R-77M / R-37M. So?
                what
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 5 February 2016 22: 41
                  +6
                  Quote: Wiruz
                  If you are a person "in the subject", then, I think, confirm my guesses that RVV-MD / RVV-SD / RVV-BD is just ... mmm ... project names. The missiles themselves are called R-74M2 / R-77M / R-37M. So?

                  ... or rather export names .. hi ... there is still somewhere COP 172 with a range of 400 km. ... hi
            2. Dryuya2
              Dryuya2 5 February 2016 21: 20
              +6
              Quote: Wiruz
              ... but do not show it on the pylon of the RVV-BD.

              is it AE, SD ?? what - at 2.35min
              1. Fregate
                Fregate 5 February 2016 21: 23
                +5
                Quote: Dryuya2
                not she ???

                If I don’t confuse anything, then there are p-77, p-27 and p73.
                1. Dryuya2
                  Dryuya2 5 February 2016 21: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Fregate
                  If I don’t confuse anything,

                  yes already understood - fixed
              2. Wiruz
                Wiruz 5 February 2016 21: 45
                +5
                RVV-AE has never been purchased for the Russian Air Force / Air Force - a purely exported missile.
                The video flashes an identical in appearance RVV-SD (K-77M), RVV-MD (like R-74M2) and an old woman R-27 hi
                1. Fregate
                  Fregate 5 February 2016 21: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Wiruz
                  RVV-AE has never been purchased for the Russian Air Force / Air Force - a purely exported missile.

                  Well yes. And in the USSR it (p-77) seems to have been produced in Ukraine. Of course, we have RVV-SD. Just out of habit p-77 I ​​write.
                  1. Wiruz
                    Wiruz 5 February 2016 21: 54
                    +4
                    Well yes. And in the USSR it (p-77) seems to have been produced in Ukraine. Of course, we have RVV-SD. Just out of habit p-77 I ​​write.

                    No, well, in general in Ukraine, mainly R-27s were riveted: both before the collapse of the Union, and after.
                    R-77s there seemed to be released a small batch, but they did not begin to be mass-produced - Min.Oborona did not buy it. And after the collapse of the Union, the R-77 in the basic version was only exported, but was already produced in Russia
              3. Platonich
                Platonich 6 February 2016 05: 26
                0
                What a handsome man, and even dangerous to enemies!
              4. Charik
                Charik 6 February 2016 07: 30
                +2
                well captured and he also said that su35 can carry air-to-air missiles
                1. Dryuya2
                  Dryuya2 6 February 2016 08: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Charik
                  and he also said that su35 can carry air-to-air missiles

                  this is for "partners" - let them rack their brains.
            3. dyksi
              dyksi 5 February 2016 22: 21
              0
              Su-35, MiG-35, will carry K-77 missiles, with a maximum launch range of up to 120 km, R-37 goes only on the MiG-31BM. for the T-50, it will be reduced to fit in the internal compartment. It is not intended for other cars, so very large and heavy, it will affect aerodynamics and, accordingly, will hit hard on the combat radius.
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 5 February 2016 23: 12
                +4
                Quote: dyksi
                Su-35, MiG-35, will carry K-77 missiles, with a maximum launch range of up to 120 km, R-37 goes only on the MiG-31BM. for the T-50, it will be reduced to fit in the internal compartment. It is not intended for other cars, so very large and heavy, it will affect aerodynamics and, accordingly, will hit hard on the combat radius.

                ... well hello, we arrived ... only in September 2015 we discussed ... http://topwar.ru/82782-.html ... hi
                1. Remy_Argo
                  Remy_Argo 6 February 2016 18: 48
                  0
                  just beautiful photo
            4. clidon
              clidon 5 February 2016 23: 36
              +2
              You just take the words of journalists too to heart. You can attack targets within a radius of 400 km with a gun.

              PS Yes, and especially RVV-DBs are not needed there (even if they are already really in service), there are no goals for them.
            5. Mairos
              Mairos 6 February 2016 22: 00
              0
              Ahhh .. my avatar ..))))))))))))))))
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    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 5 February 2016 19: 33
      14
      Our best men ... believe me! Don’t look at the name
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 5 February 2016 19: 36
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Our best men ... believe me! Don’t look at the name

        Even better than PAK-FA? smile
        1. Saburov
          Saburov 5 February 2016 20: 06
          +5
          In terms of maneuverability, the SU-37 among combat fighters is an unrivaled aircraft.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 5 February 2016 21: 15
            +2
            Quote: Saburov
            In terms of maneuverability, the SU-37 among combat fighters is an unrivaled aircraft

            Too bad he was the only one
            1. alexng
              alexng 5 February 2016 22: 03
              +7
              The SU-37 was a flying laboratory and all its qualities and advantages, except for the front tail, were incorporated into the SU-35. So everything is a bunch, and the SU-35 and SU-37 are the same eggs, "only a side view."
          2. poquello
            poquello 6 February 2016 00: 06
            0
            Quote: Saburov
            In terms of maneuverability, the SU-37 among combat fighters is an unrivaled aircraft.

            either the dryers were afraid, or they were afraid that the Raptor would depreciate
            many high-ranking employees have appeared in the US Air Force who are in favor of resuming the mass production of F-22 Raptor stealth fighters with the possibility of deliveries to friendly countries. U.S. Air Force Secretary Debora Lee James spoke in favor of such a decision at a recent seminar in Washington, but she did not mention the possibility of permitting exports.

            And as if adding fuel to the fire, Boeing’s chief executive Dennis Muilenburg, who is visiting India, made a mysterious statement: “We (Boeing and Lockheed) together developed the F-22 Raptor, and with Considering the possibilities of concluding government-government contracts, this program is the area where we are interested in investing, ”writes the Hindustan Times on February 3.

            http://military-informant.com/airforca/voenno-vozdushnyie-silyi-indii-zaintereso
            vannyi-v-pokupke-amerikanskih-istrebiteley-f-22-raptor.html
            1. 33 Watcher
              33 Watcher 6 February 2016 07: 17
              0
              This opinion is only gaining momentum, and it is mainly connected with the events around f-35, and the opinion, by the way, is correct. The dampness of the 35th is more and more noticeable, and the rush with its refinement is objective, about 10 years, but it’s time to rush it in order to beat off the grandmothers ... And for yourself, raw, in every way the plane is dangerous.
          3. Mairos
            Mairos 6 February 2016 22: 10
            0
            Посмотрите "плоский штопор" ПАК-ФА "https://yandex.ru/yandsearch?clid=2186618&text=%D0%9F%D0%90%D0%9A%20%D0%A4
            %D0%90%20%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D1%88%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BF%D
            0% BE% D1% 80 "
        2. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 6 February 2016 07: 12
          +1
          Today, perhaps YES! PAKFA machine stand, yet ... Test stand. The Su-35 is an integrated and well-to-do machine. I will not now deal with what Western analysts are, but the car is very formidable and dangerous, for all, without exception.
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 5 February 2016 19: 49
        14
        The Ottomans glanced a little ...
        Looks like we got a lot of Russia!
        Erdogan thought ..! I still got Russia ..
        And looking at the sky above Istanbul ..
        He understood that!
        What not to see him heaven while there
        Su -35 is in Russia!
    3. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 5 February 2016 19: 36
      24
      Quote: rubidiy
      But can you still post the Su35 photo, and not the SU-30SM?

      Here is a prettier option.
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    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 5 February 2016 19: 38
      22
      Quote: rubidiy
      but you can still post a photo of su35, but not SU-30SM

      Can: hi
    5. vell.65
      vell.65 5 February 2016 19: 44
      0
      Quote: rubidiy
      But can you still post the Su35 photo, and not the SU-30SM?

      LOOK AT OTHER SITES AND AT THE END OF PLANES_this is 35 and there is nothing to confuse it with. soldier
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 5 February 2016 19: 46
        +3
        Quote: vell.65
        LOOK AT OTHER SITES AND AT THE END OF PLANES_this is 35 and there is nothing to confuse it with.

        Editors have changed the photo already. You apparently did not see the first.
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 5 February 2016 19: 56
          +5
          Quote: Fregate
          Editors have changed the photo already. You apparently did not see the first.

          Now, not only should I check the info, but also the photo. Survived ...
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 5 February 2016 20: 10
            26
            Quote: Alexej
            Now, not only should I check the info, but also the photo. Survived ...

            ... there are people in a hurry ... there are many events ... and so the very goodies:
            - empty weight 19 t.
            - fuel 11,9 tons
            - combat load 8t.
            - rate of climb of more than 280 m / s = less than 5 seconds. and 1000 m.
            - 12 weapons suspension units
            - up to 80 km of OLS can accompany 4 air targets ... without radar ... wink
            1. Erg
              Erg 5 February 2016 20: 30
              29
              He does not fly ... Someone is swimming in the sky ... good
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 5 February 2016 21: 04
                15
                Quote: Erg
                Someone bathes in the sky ...

                No, he lives there. yes
                1. noWAR
                  noWAR 5 February 2016 21: 32
                  22
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  Quote: Erg
                  Someone bathes in the sky ...

                  No, he lives there. yes
                  1. mark021105
                    mark021105 6 February 2016 15: 07
                    +5
                    As if a dolphin is playing in the sea ...))
              2. alexej123
                alexej123 6 February 2016 18: 34
                +2
                You said very well. I also feel like a dolphin in the sea - easily, naturally, as if it shows that it is his environment and he is in perfect harmony with her.
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            2. Erg
              Erg 5 February 2016 20: 30
              +3
              He does not fly ... Someone is swimming in the sky ... good
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            3. Yuuki
              Yuuki 6 February 2016 11: 57
              0
              Impressive! Thank you for the video!
    6. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 5 February 2016 19: 52
      +3
      What is so important? I distinguished MIG 25 from MIG 31 by the main chassis. The general appearance of such and photographing exactly those aircraft is not necessary.
    7. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 5 February 2016 20: 03
      21
      Please, I have this on my desktop.
      1. SSeT
        SSeT 5 February 2016 23: 06
        +2
        Sopru with your permission, it hurts gorgeous!

        PyS. What is it on the inner pylons? I do not recognize in makeup :)
      2. Remy_Argo
        Remy_Argo 6 February 2016 18: 52
        0
        But I like such a bird ....
    8. shark913
      shark913 5 February 2016 21: 03
      0
      take a closer look!
    9. Samen
      Samen 5 February 2016 21: 04
      0
      the time the aircraft is ready for take-off is no more than a minute

      ... And, for one, correct AshiPku, pzhlst!
    10. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 5 February 2016 21: 10
      -4
      Quote: rubidiy
      but not the SU-30SM?

      Open your eyes wider sweet and do not buzi.
    11. Simon
      Simon 5 February 2016 21: 26
      0
      So secret! repeat Let only the rumor while it works. Turkish aircraft from this hearing will already be sitting in their nests. laughing
    12. vell.65
      vell.65 5 February 2016 21: 29
      -2
      Quote: rubidiy
      But can you still post the Su35 photo, and not the SU-30SM?

      This is su 35C go study at TsPSh sir
    13. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 6 February 2016 01: 31
      0
      Mig-31. Pieces eight. And over all Syria - a cloudless sky.
    14. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 6 February 2016 01: 33
      +9
      The effectiveness of a fighter does not depend on the name of the fighter, but on the combination of on-board equipment, weapons (ammunition), tactics, and the personal characteristics of the pilot.

      The quantity also plays a role - how much we have and how much the adversary has. The ratio is 4 against 12 - not yet, but 4 against 240 (F-16 Turkey) - no matter what kind of wunderwafle our ash was, but our unit is definitely a khan. And if all sorts of Saudis, Morocco, and Qatar are in a hurry to help, then kirdyk has no options. They would have bluntly crushed our planes with the number of 86 of them with the ancient F-600 "Saber" in the amount of 4 pieces. But they have the F-15, F-16, and Mirage-2000.

      Additionally - the presence of AWACS aircraft is important for us and for the adversary. Turkey has them.

      Here, many believe that the Khibiny electronic warfare containers are some kind of wunderwaffle - which does not operate according to the laws of physics, but according to some mystical rules (metaphysically penetrates the ship / plane / base of the adversary and turns off the light like a ghost). It seems that many were taught only "Orthodox physics". This is an advanced white noise generator - that's it! NATO has similar systems - AN / ALQ-131 and AN / ALQ-167 - which the Turks also have.

      Electronic warfare / electronic warfare systems are not a panacea. The AIM-120 air-to-air missiles of the "C" series of American production have a mode of "aiming at the source of interference [" Khibiny ", etc.]", these missiles are in the Turkish Air Force. A similar regime exists for the small-scale domestic R-27P / EP missiles and for the new non-serial versions of the R-77 missiles (RVV-SD / PD).

      It turns out this picture - 4 Su-35S, 4 Su-30SM (or M2?), And 4 Su-27SM + 8 Su-34 if they had explosive missiles. Maximum 20 fighters and fighter bombers against 240 Turkish F-16s (not counting F-4 and F-5). All sorts of Su-24, Su-25, Tu-22M3, Mi-8, Mi-24 - these are all just potential targets for the Turkish Air Force and there are about 50 of them. In Syria, you need not 4 but 40 Su-30 and Su-35 (and R-27EP and R-27EA missiles) or some kind of MiG-29SMT, otherwise the Turkish Air Force will very quickly "hit in the back" (air Tsushima) and 8 missiles on 2 launchers from the S-400 in reality can do very little.
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 6 February 2016 02: 44
        +4
        ... ah, Southern Military District ?! ... or have you already thrown it with NUCLEAR bombs ?! ... men, it’s impossible, it’s clear Friday is Holy Day ... you have to eat ... such a thing doesn’t bring to good ... hi
      2. askort154
        askort154 6 February 2016 08: 49
        10
        Denis Obukhov .... The quantity also plays a role - how much we have and how much the adversary has.

        It's not about quantity. For cover at the moment, this is enough.
        And if Turkey declares war on Russia, then this will be a completely different scenario.
        There is nothing for our aviation to do over Turkey. She will act without entering the Turkish zone. Turkey is 360 degrees vulnerable
        at the same time, it does not border on land with Russia. So, 240 F-16 and other "turkostrashilka" you cited, no threat to Russian territory
        does not carry. And to defend their own against everything that Russia can bring down, only once taking off, there will be nowhere to land. So, count individually by whom
        that is, in relation to Turkey and Russia it is not correct. Turkey is only capable of provocation, she (madness) can risk only open war with Russia only
        with the guarantee that NATO will get involved in it. But in NATO, not all stupid people, they already imagine what a big war with Russia is. In any case, NATO-Europeans will not agree to this. (Mongrel-Baltic and Poles do not count).
    15. demchuk.ig
      demchuk.ig 7 February 2016 16: 10
      0
      It seems to me that you need to organize some kind of educational program for military correspondents, otherwise you have to look at the MiG, but they are talking about SU!
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 5 February 2016 19: 27
    14
    The main task posed to the crews of the Su-35S in the Syrian Arab Republic is to ensure the safety of the aviation group during combat missions

    I’d like to transfer a couple of links to Khmeimim - to a full squadron. Then it will be much calmer for our bombers.
    1. vell.65
      vell.65 5 February 2016 19: 58
      +2
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      I’d like to transfer a couple of links to Khmeimim - to a full squadron. Then it will be much calmer for our bombers.

      I think that while one link to cover such a zone is enough, NATO sometimes has to think if the brains were completely lost in flight in their superiority. soldier
    2. KnightRider
      KnightRider 5 February 2016 21: 38
      +2
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      I’d like to transfer a couple of links to Khmeimim - to a full squadron. Then it will be much calmer for our bombers.

      There is already nowhere for an apple to fall: 70 units of front-line and army aviation! ..
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 5 February 2016 21: 47
        0
        Quote: KnightRider
        There is already nowhere for an apple to fall: 70 units of front-line and army aviation !.

        Well, take a look at the satellite image. Su-35s are already there. In my opinion, there is a place on the two links of the fighters. There, at the bottom left, the parking is almost empty. wink
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 5 February 2016 22: 13
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          There is a place for two fighter links.
          And do you think about why they are on duty at the Khmeimim Su-27SM base, although it seems that there are both Su-30SM and Su-35S.
        2. Lex.
          Lex. 6 February 2016 11: 19
          +1
          From such a height they are difficult to distinguish from the su-30
          1. Vinchi
            Vinchi 6 February 2016 23: 30
            0
            On the ground shadows from the aircraft, small slats are visible (like the Su-35S)
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 5 February 2016 19: 29
    34
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/029/kucb575

    Power and beauty ... !!!
    Now not a single Turkish or NATO "swan" dares to twitch, and thinks a hundred times:
    - "Maybe you shouldn't even take off? Well, fuck it" ... !!!
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 5 February 2016 19: 36
      +8
      Quote: sever.56
      Now not a single Turkish or NATO "swan" thinks a hundred times:

      Will think. AND?
      Quote: sever.56
      Or maybe you shouldn’t even take off?

      Who?
      Quote: sever.56
      Well, fuck him "...

      .. these bravura speeches.
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 5 February 2016 19: 55
        +6
        Quote: Fregate

        Who?
        Quote: sever.56
        Well, fuck him "...

        .. these bravura speeches.


        You will deny that even in the West they recognized that the Su-35 is one of the most formidable fighters in the world? stop
        And what has it to do with: - "bravura speeches", as you say? Were there not enough publications, in particular on VO, that the West was hysterical from the growing power and skill of our army? What are just the statements of Jens Stoltenberg about the threat to Russia, an increase in the NATO budget in Europe, and, as a last fact: - a provocative Air Force film about the Russian occupation of Latvia and the beginning of the Third World War?
        You have few examples of hysteria in the West - try to get examples of that from other sources.
        1. Alex 1972
          Alex 1972 5 February 2016 20: 12
          -6
          Quote: sever.56
          You will deny that even in the West they recognized that the Su-35 is one of the most formidable fighters in the world?

          But there are only 4 of them in Syria!
          Quote: sever.56
          that the West is hysterical of the increasing power and skill of our army?

          Have you personally observed a tantrum, or have you read about it in the domestic media?
          They write that Turkey is preparing an invasion of Syria (by the way, there are no articles on the subject for that reason)
          What will we do if this invasion begins?
          8 dryers and 1 C 400 division even plus the Varyag air defense, firstly not enough, secondly, will we start a war with Turkey / NATO?
          Who on this occasion, what does he think is interesting?
          1. sever.56
            sever.56 5 February 2016 20: 40
            +9
            [quote = Alexey 1972] You personally observed the hysteria,
            I answer in points:
            1. personally did not observe. I read the comments of high-ranking NATO officials (Jens Stoltenberg), Ashton Carter (US Secretary of Defense), the "free" press of the West, and watched numerous speeches of these and other characters on our Russian TV, which, again, were broadcast to him by WESTERN TV channels.

            [quote = Alexey 1972] or have you read about it in the domestic media? [/ quote]
            2.What are the reasons for your dissatisfaction with the domestic media? Or do you prefer to get information from "non-profitable" media such as "Echo of Moscow", "Rain", "Novaya Gazeta", "New Times" with chief editor Albats? Taki - "to health" !!!
            1. Alex 1972
              Alex 1972 5 February 2016 21: 18
              -1
              Quote: sever.56
              Or do you prefer to get information from "non-profitable" media

              I suggest that any (and even more so from the media) information be evaluated critically and realistically.
              Then you can (and only then) really assess your strength.
              And if you have a respected marshal from the boasting of enemies drooling to run from pleasure, then remember the words of Comrade Stalin.
              I.V. Stalin: “If our enemies scold us, then we are doing everything right”
              1. sever.56
                sever.56 5 February 2016 22: 14
                +1
                Quote: Alexey 1972
                I suggest that any (and even more so from the media) information be evaluated critically and realistically.

                Do you have other sources of information?
                Maybe from the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry, the Pentagon, or NATO headquarters ??? request Then I am, and not only I, envy black envy lol

                Quote: Alexey 1972
                And if you have a respected marshal from the praise of enemies, drooling will run from pleasure,

                But this already looks like rudeness ... You can't do that, dear. This does not mean your good upbringing and intelligence. What "boast of enemies" is referred to in my commentary, wake up ...
                And for rudeness, excuse me, minus. No.
                1. Alex 1972
                  Alex 1972 5 February 2016 22: 32
                  0
                  Quote: sever.56
                  But this already looks like rudeness ..

                  You are right, I'm sorry, I just can not stand the manifestation of hatred and not critical, which is what you showed, and you apparently can not be indifferent to criticism, but they ignored my question at the end of the first post.
                  Maybe we’ll better discuss it?
                  1. sever.56
                    sever.56 5 February 2016 23: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey 1972
                    I just hate manifestations of hatred

                    Cite my words where I am doing "hating", as you say ...
                    Shapkozakidatelstvo I consider when a person, unreasonably can speak in style: - "with little blood, mighty blow", or: - "In one fell swoop - seven beats" ... And I said only that the Su-35 is recognized as one of the most serious fighters in the world, as written, by the way, not only ours, but also Western experts. Maybe I did it in a slightly exaggerated, humorous way, tweeting from Max Chapay, but excuse me. I did not know that you have a tense relationship with humor.

                    Quote: Alexey 1972
                    You apparently cannot be indifferent to criticism

                    You may be surprised, but I am very attentive to JUSTIFIED criticism. Honestly, it’s not always pleasant, but I’m smart enough to admit it. I even apologized to the whole community when I gave out the "foam" for which I was ashamed. People understood me, for which many thanks to them, because I value the opinion of adequate, competent people, not balabols.
                    In your claims to me, I did not see the specifics, you wrote simply because you thought I was a chatterbox, clung to words, looking for the meaning that you wanted to find, and not which was laid there.
                    I'm sorry, but I no longer want to discuss anything with you.
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          3. ochakow703
            ochakow703 5 February 2016 20: 45
            +2
            You please remember the geography. North of the Turks Russia. With all the consequences for Nata and Turks ...
            P.S. And it will not be easy in any situation, and no one is waiting. Everyone will have to harness it, so historically.
          4. Inok10
            Inok10 5 February 2016 20: 56
            +4
            Quote: Alexey 1972
            8 dryers and 1 C 400 division even plus the Varyag air defense, firstly not enough, secondly, will we start a war with Turkey / NATO?
            Who on this occasion, what does he think is interesting?

            ... to remind me that Germany removed its Patriots from Turkey in 2015, at the end of the same year the mattress mats removed from Injerlik the joint base of the NATO Air Force / Turkish Air Force (Adana, Turkey) previously deployed there F-15 .. ... NATO’s eloquent position ... away from sin, stay away from real actions ... well, in a word, well, it can forever from the rostrum ... laughing
          5. kil 31
            kil 31 5 February 2016 20: 58
            +1
            [quote] [quote = Aleksey 1972]
            They write that Turkey is preparing an invasion of Syria (by the way, there are no articles on the subject for that reason) Do not sin on VO. Maybe he is slowing down something. But not when they openly try to interfere and threaten us. When you open a site in the evening, watch all the news in the morning, and not the last. hiDavutoglu called Russia's actions in the SAR criminal
            • Today, 10:06
          6. aksakal
            aksakal 5 February 2016 21: 06
            12
            Quote: Alexey 1972
            What will we do if this invasion begins?

            - TO WAR!
            Quote: Alexey 1972
            secondly we will start a war with Turkey / NATO?
            - So what? I don’t think that they will be pleased to fight the first (at the moment) nuclear power in the world, the military doctrine of which says that nuclear weapons will be immediately applied if the aggression of the enemy (in this case, NATO in general and Turkey in particular) threatens the existence of Russia . In other words, do not dare to defeat Russia with conventional weapons, because this will threaten the existence of Russia. Well, if an iron point, let them fight. Why should you be afraid? They are going to attack - they are afraid.
            Alexei, they attack, they show aggression, they shot down a bomber, and here you are advocating that you need to be afraid and express fear in the forum. Do not understand why?
            Quote: Alexey 1972
            8 dryers and 1 C 400 division even plus Varyag air defense
            - not enough. But this number turned the tide of the war in Syria. Still not enough? But in Syria, Russia is not alone. There is still a Syrian army in Syria, it has a MiG-29, modernized by Russia, they already scared the smallness of the Turks in early October. There is also a ground Syrian army. In addition, an attack on a contingent of Russian aircraft in Syria is an attack on Russia. From the Turks. But Russia is not only on the south side of Turkey, it is also on the north side. There is Southeast Russia, and today he received 4 more SU-30SM. Recently, only the Southern Military District has been pumped with the latest weapons, haven’t you noticed? Do not wonder why?
            For some reason, local couch strategists answer me at the same time - and what are the South Military District and bases in Armenia against the half-million army of Turkey? Will all the poles be thrown against Russia to the North? What about the Syrian Army? And the Syrian Kurds? And the Kurds in Diyarbakir? They will sit nobly while Turkey deals with the southern group of Russians?
            The Turks have air defense - "Hawks" of the 70s of the last century. Where is the guarantee that Russia will not start with Iskander and Caliber strikes at the airfields in Inzhirlik and Diyarbakir? Both types of missiles are excellently able to get there from their locations in the Southern Military District and in the Caspian Sea. In the place of the Turks, I would "Inzhirlike" smallets would be like this: "American F-15 - Turkish F-16 - American F-15", so that the Russians would not be able to hit the airfields so easily. And ask the American "AWACS" for permanent duty. And even more " Patriots. "These three measures will seriously complicate military operations for the Russians, and so far this has not been done - the Turks are in flight, like plywood. All their numerous weapons are just a large number of convenient targets at the range level.
            You panic early.
            1. Alex 1972
              Alex 1972 5 February 2016 22: 39
              -15 qualifying.
              Can you imagine what nuclear war is?
              You cannot write any comments on VO hi
              You understand that if NATO attacks us, our rulers will have a choice: mutual nuclear suicide, or after some kind of short-term resistance to surrender, because the forces NOT EQUAL!
              Are you comfortable with mutual suicide?
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 5 February 2016 23: 05
                +4
                Quote: Alexey 1972
                You understand that if NATO attacks us, our rulers will have a choice: mutual nuclear suicide, or after some kind of short-term resistance to surrender, because the forces are NOT EQUAL!
                Are you comfortable with mutual suicide?

                ... Friday ... in all its glory ... laughing
                1. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 6 February 2016 11: 15
                  0
                  above, the squirrel came ... let it look, maybe sober up?
              2. gg.na
                gg.na 6 February 2016 01: 03
                +1
                Quote: Alexey 1972
                Are you comfortable with mutual suicide?

                Preferred mutual destruction lol but I won’t get on my knees No. in front of our sworn friends bully from behind puddles !!! am
                1. Oml
                  Oml 6 February 2016 13: 11
                  0
                  I agree. I want to add that it’s not just on your knees, but sometimes to substitute your neck and ass for punishment. So the choice is obvious. And there will be enough nuclear weapons reserves for them, and not only nuclear weapons.
              3. Finntroll
                Finntroll 6 February 2016 20: 25
                +1
                And I will look at you as it is, the destruction of Russia will suit you. No, we do not want war, we are not raising a conglomerate of thugs in the face of ISIS, we are not bombing Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya! Stop fighting in the corners and whine like a beaten dog. You understand that it does not matter "how" the day before yesterday it was the Taliban, yesterday it was a beast in Chechnya, today the Svidomites are fascists and neo-Ottomans, the Negro and his top, because of a puddle, need a massacre and sooner or later they will get it in any case and in any form and it will begin the sooner the weaker and more tolerant we behave. Nobody wants war, but if they come to kill you, what will you do to whine and whine, or will you try your luck and try to fight back? If in Europe they want war, let them get it with all that it implies (and in Europe, oh, how they are afraid of it, and in the USA there will only be bravura speeches until the first graves)
            2. Outsmarted
              Outsmarted 6 February 2016 10: 53
              -2
              All this is of course good, but on paper. Let's take a real look at the situation. No one will attack Incirlik, because in fact it is a base not only of the Turkish Air Force, but also of the US Air Force, and also a storage place for the US Air Force's nuclear arsenal. There will be no full-scale conflict, and even if it does happen, the Khmeimim airbase will be the primary target. For the conquest of air supremacy in northern Syria, the forces are clearly not enough. In the event of a conflict, the entire group will sit on the defensive. Without the support of AWACS aircraft (and our fighters will not have it, but the Turks will have it), our fighters lose the main advantage in the more powerful Su-30 and Su-35 radars. The Varyag air defense system is in fact the old Fort system in an unknown state. "Varyag" itself needs modernization. ALL hope is for 1 S-400 division and a certain number of Armor and Bukov, who will have to work in VERY difficult conditions and whose ammunition is not infinite, by the way.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 6 February 2016 13: 19
                +2
                Quote: Outsmarted
                Without the support of AWACS aircraft (and our fighters will not have it, but the Turks will have it) our fighters lose the main advantage in the more powerful Su-30 and Su-35 radars

                - The Russian A-50U flies from time to time in Syria - don’t you read the news? Of course, they fly through Iran, but they do. So why come to the conclusion that our fighters will not have it?
                Quote: Outsmarted
                The Varyag air defense system is, in fact, the old Fort system in an unknown state.
                - how old? Everything is relative ... Regarding the latest American electronic warfare and air defense systems - yes, the old one and needs modernization. Regarding the Turkish systems and F-16 aircraft of the nineties of modernization, FORT is even redundant
                Quote: Outsmarted
                To gain air supremacy in northern Syria, forces are clearly not enough
                - why did you conclude that while the group will be exposed to such serious danger from the Turks, the Russian groups of the South-East Military District and Armenia will sit back and calmly observe this? Do they have that right?
                Quote: Outsmarted
                Incirlik will not attack anyone because in fact it is the base not only of the Turkish Air Force but also the US Air Force, and also the storage location of the US Air Force’s nuclear arsenal
                - nevertheless, I argue that the strikes by "Caliber" and "Iskander" (not necessarily on "Inzhirlik", although you can make it clear to the amers that it is better for them to get out of there with a good hand, since the situation is close to getting out of control and can accept uncontrollable), these are tactical missiles and do not transfer the conflict to a global level. In addition, as the high-speed transfer of the SU-35 shows, it will take a couple of days to replenish the air group in Syria. Together with the Syrian Air Force, the replenished group is a difficult nut to crack for the Turks. Look at the Russian Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Russian Ministry of Defense - while declaring a high probability of Turkey entering the war, they maintain Olympic calm. But you are panicking. I somehow trust the professionals from the Russian Ministry of Defense more than you. The Russian military has grounds for maintaining calm, which means that everything is thought out, there is for different occasions.
                1. clidon
                  clidon 6 February 2016 13: 46
                  0
                  All our hope is that only local conflict is possible. In a simple rocket-swapping between our group and the Turkish Air Force, we are quite close. The rest is diplomacy and the expectation that the Turks are not going to have a large-scale war with a strain of forces.
                2. Outsmarted
                  Outsmarted 6 February 2016 14: 55
                  +1
                  1. The A-50U will not be there, or it will have to operate from Iranian airspace. And this is far. No one will put such an aircraft at risk. They are already counted on the fingers.
                  2. "Fort" is an old naval version of the S-300 from the mid 80s. In the event of a conflict, not only Turkish ones will be EW. And Turkish electronic warfare did not stop developing in the 80s.
                  3. Anything can happen in the heads of the General Staff. The assault on Grozny and the use of the Tu-22 in the war with Georgia while the enemy’s air defense was not suppressed is proof of this.
                  4. Of course, it’s fun to draw perfect pictures of the impact with Caliber and Iskander. But here the stability of the Syrian group is discussed in the event of a possible conflict with Turkey. And she is low.
                  5. Do not underestimate the likely enemy. This is the biggest mistake.
          7. Idiot
            Idiot 6 February 2016 00: 21
            +1
            If we hypothetically assume that Turkey will invade Syria, and this will definitely happen in the so-called "hundred-kilometer corridor", which supposedly has no one to control, then, in my opinion, the Russian Aerospace Forces will have the legal right to strike at Turkish units for the following reasons: This is the territory of Syria with a legitimate government of which we have a corresponding agreement on the provision of military assistance. This is not the territory of Turkey and in this case Turkey will be the aggressor, therefore NATO will legally have no reason to intervene in the conflict; for our group in Khmeinim there will be a danger of being attacked by the Turks at any time convenient for them and by any forces that they deem necessary to bring there. We are bound by the president's promise not to conduct a ground operation in Syria, and the forces available there are clearly not enough to resist the Turkish army. By shooting down our plane, they showed that they are capable of doing anything since they have something to lose - the role of regional leader is at stake. NATO's position will predictably be neutral, - will express concern about the escalation of tension in the region caused by the actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Yes, the Turks will immediately close the straits, create a potential threat to our Navy in the region, but there will be no other way out. If we do not strike, then we will create a dilemma: either we evacuate our grouping and, thus, stop all operations in Syria, lose international prestige, the geopolitical advantages achieved, etc. local, but real war. What, in fact, is expected of us. Then our group in Syria will be in a mousetrap. I'm even afraid to think what will happen in this case, but Erdogan showed that he is a mad dog and capable of anything ...
          8. Idiot
            Idiot 6 February 2016 00: 21
            +1
            If we hypothetically assume that Turkey will invade Syria, and this will definitely happen in the so-called "hundred-kilometer corridor", which supposedly has no one to control, then, in my opinion, the Russian Aerospace Forces will have the legal right to strike at Turkish units for the following reasons: This is the territory of Syria with a legitimate government of which we have a corresponding agreement on the provision of military assistance. This is not the territory of Turkey and in this case Turkey will be the aggressor, therefore NATO will legally have no reason to intervene in the conflict; for our group in Khmeinim there will be a danger of being attacked by the Turks at any time convenient for them and by any forces that they deem necessary to bring there. We are bound by the president's promise not to conduct a ground operation in Syria, and the forces available there are clearly not enough to resist the Turkish army. By shooting down our plane, they showed that they are capable of doing anything since they have something to lose - the role of regional leader is at stake. NATO's position will predictably be neutral, - will express concern about the escalation of tension in the region caused by the actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Yes, the Turks will immediately close the straits, create a potential threat to our Navy in the region, but there will be no other way out. If we do not strike, then we will create a dilemma: either we evacuate our grouping and, thus, stop all operations in Syria, lose international prestige, the geopolitical advantages achieved, etc. local, but real war. What, in fact, is expected of us. Then our group in Syria will be in a mousetrap. I'm even afraid to think what will happen in this case, but Erdogan showed that he is a mad dog and capable of anything ...
        2. Fregate
          Fregate 5 February 2016 20: 18
          +4
          Quote: sever.56
          You will deny that even in the West they recognized that the Su-35 is one of the most formidable fighters in the world?

          Whatever our aircraft is, this does not mean that:
          not a single Turkish or NATO "swan" dares to twitch and thinks a hundred times:
          - "Maybe you shouldn't even take off? Well, fuck it" ... !!!

          Do you know what they have in mind? If they are really determined to enter Syria, then they will not see what is flying on our side.
          Py. Sy: As for their hysteria, what do I care about her?
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 5 February 2016 20: 23
            +6
            Quote: Fregate
            Do you know what they have in mind? If they are really determined to enter Syria, then they will not see what is flying on our side.

            ... here you are fundamentally wrong ... all the hysteria of Turkey and the Saudis .. has nothing to do with real actions .. hi ... bench press ... laughing ... it was not difficult to predict today's defeats of the "opposition" ... and if they really wanted to, they would have been there as a quarter ago at the end of 2015 .. hi
          2. sever.56
            sever.56 5 February 2016 20: 51
            +3
            Quote: Fregate
            Do you know what they have in mind?

            No. I do not know.

            Quote: Fregate
            If they are really determined to enter Syria,

            Do you have real information from reliable sources, such as the Turkish Ministry of Defense?

            Quote: Fregate
            Py. Sy: As for their hysteria, what do I care about her?

            Well, then don't write about my "bravura speeches" ...
            1. Fregate
              Fregate 5 February 2016 21: 01
              -5
              Quote: sever.56
              Do you have real information from reliable sources, such as the Turkish Ministry of Defense?

              Of course not. Otherwise, I would not use the word at the beginning of the sentence if
              Quote: sever.56
              Py. Sy: As for their hysteria, what do I care about her?

              Well, then don't write about my "bravura speeches" ...

              And how is this generally related?
  4. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 5 February 2016 19: 31
    13
    Well, here's a "run-in" in specific cases, and not at the test site. Surely, something will "come out", but it's for the best. This is already "polishing" the aircraft and its systems.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 5 February 2016 19: 39
      +5
      Quote: LÄRZ
      Well, here's a "run-in" in specific cases, and not at the test site.

      Good hunting to our pilots!
      1. PKK
        PKK 5 February 2016 20: 43
        +3
        Yes, and not only the SU 35, but also the elements of the FAK 50, the same run-in. Developments are useful. A clear sky to them.
  5. Mixweb
    Mixweb 5 February 2016 19: 34
    +4
    With an initiative! It would be nice without incident
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 February 2016 19: 35
    +5
    A kind of flying C 400! It will reach everyone and everywhere. Well, do not MiGs send the 31st? These are even cooler, but painfully formidable. Yes, and the speed is such that Syria will be small.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 5 February 2016 19: 39
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      A kind of flying C 400! It will reach everyone and everywhere. Well, do not MiGs send the 31st? These are even cooler, but painfully formidable. Yes, and the speed is such that Syria will be small.

      In addition, there is also an A-50 that can direct both the S-400 and the Su-35S, Su-30SM, Su-34 ...
      1. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 5 February 2016 19: 57
        +4
        Is there an A50 there? He is big and fat, it seems to me that there is not enough room for him in Syria. It can look through Turkey from the Black Sea from neutral waters. And the SU-35 with its radars from above will complement what the S-400 sees. Mountains, continuous radar fields at low altitudes from the ground can not be achieved. I think this makes sense to use the SU-35 there.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 5 February 2016 20: 30
          0
          Quote: armored optimist
          Is there an A50 there? He is big and fat, it seems to me that there is not enough room for him in Syria.

          In the foreign press they wrote that there is an A-50 (for sure there is no smoke without fire). Our VKS did not confirm this information.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 5 February 2016 21: 07
            +3
            Our Avax in Syria is probably not there. Otherwise, they would have presented the pictures. Yes and no need. The country is so with gulkin horseradish. There was a drying out thrown with 400km radars, that’s enough. That we, in our old imperial habit, think that all countries are equal to us, but no. We are the superpower, the largest country in the world! Most countries are analogous to our regions.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 5 February 2016 22: 15
              0
              He is attracted, but of course not at the base itself.
    2. VIT101
      VIT101 7 February 2016 06: 47
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      A kind of flying C 400! It will reach everyone and everywhere. Well, do not MiGs send the 31st? These are even cooler, but painfully formidable. Yes, and the speed is such that Syria will be small.


      Not more formidable than the Su-30, 35. And the speed is really the same. Or do you think they fly in hypersound?
  7. Yak28
    Yak28 5 February 2016 19: 41
    +2
    Good aircraft, but they are few there in case of the invasion of the Turkish troops. The Syrians would not have been able to arm the land army
    1. Alex 1972
      Alex 1972 5 February 2016 20: 17
      +3
      Yes there SA CA is not equipped. Not yet been trained properly by our instructors.
      I honestly if the Turks rush to Syria, so that our work done would not lose another option other than tactical nuclear strikes on Turkish bases, I don’t see a quick solution for us.
      If we don’t fight with Turkey for 5 days without tactical nuclear weapons, firstly Turkey is not Georgia, and secondly, if we drag out, then all of NATO can harness itself.
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 5 February 2016 21: 03
        +5
        Quote: Alex 1972
        Yes there SA CA is not equipped. Not yet been trained properly by our instructors.
        I honestly if the Turks rush to Syria, so that our work done would not lose another option other than tactical nuclear strikes on Turkish bases, I don’t see a quick solution for us.
        If we don’t fight with Turkey for 5 days without tactical nuclear weapons, firstly Turkey is not Georgia, and secondly, if we drag out, then all of NATO can harness itself.


        exactly. and nothing else.
        Sanctions will never end anyway.
        rather until then. until Hodor associates come to power.
        And this in my opinion will not be 30 years.
        Nobody intends to raise oil above 50 dollars.
        Gas will be pumped to Europe "from all cracks".
        So - what difference does it make to what isolation do we have?
        In the financial and commercial sector, when we can’t buy anything there and we won’t be able to leave from lack of money.
        Or from closed borders.
        I don’t care for the reasons. There will be one result.

        And here we’ll protect both our own and the Turks (we still hate us - they don’t feel sorry for them) and we’ll do something for the future.
        The Americans were able to do this - we also have the right to do so ...
        I am for a nuclear strike in the event of a Turkish attack on Russian soldiers in Syria.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 5 February 2016 22: 46
          +5
          Quote: Alexey 1972
          If we don’t fight with Turkey for 5 days without tactical nuclear weapons, firstly Turkey is not Georgia, and secondly, if we drag out, then all of NATO can harness itself.
          Third, the United States may transfer TNW from Incirlik storage facilities to Turkish pilots. For some reason, this fact is not taken into account when they are going to bombard Turkish airfields with Caliber and Iskander, and meanwhile the families of the American base personnel have been evacuated. And NATO is already harnessed: full Brussels' political support for Ankara's actions, deployed additional intelligence and command facilities in Turkey (covered by the Patriots) and in the eastern Mediterranean. We have strengthened the Turks with everything they do not have and at this stage of the confrontation this is enough. The Americans will not transfer armored divisions, but they are actively engaging their special allies. So the Saudis have gathered in Syria. And these will not only come with automatics, but will bring with them modern complexes (including air defense). And then many here believe that Erdogan is isolated and if something happens, then we will remotely charge him "one, two". And NATO wants to grab us "by the buckle", and with the wrong hands. , in general.
          1. Idiot
            Idiot 6 February 2016 00: 35
            +1
            NATO will not be harnessed, their task is to pit Turkey against Russia and see what happens. No one will use nuclear weapons either, not even Erdogan, no one will give him. In the event of a real war, we cannot do without Iran's help, otherwise the grouping in Syria, especially the Navy, will be doomed. The Saudis and Qatar may intervene to a limited extent. Israel will be clearly neutral. It's even scary to think what will happen if the Turks drown the "Varyag" (this is also monstrously symbolic). We are now not ready for war, even with Turkey, and they understand this. The Turks can be sent to the slaughter, but they cannot allow our dominance in the region. Then the "white man's power" will come to an end.
          2. Idiot
            Idiot 6 February 2016 00: 35
            0
            NATO will not be harnessed, their task is to pit Turkey against Russia and see what happens. No one will use nuclear weapons either, not even Erdogan, no one will give him. In the event of a real war, we cannot do without Iran's help, otherwise the grouping in Syria, especially the Navy, will be doomed. The Saudis and Qatar may intervene to a limited extent. Israel will be clearly neutral. It's even scary to think what will happen if the Turks drown the "Varyag" (this is also monstrously symbolic). We are now not ready for war, even with Turkey, and they understand this. The Turks can be sent to the slaughter, but they cannot allow our dominance in the region. Then the "white man's power" will come to an end.
          3. Charik
            Charik 6 February 2016 07: 59
            0
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f3B-pqendA
      2. gg.na
        gg.na 6 February 2016 01: 16
        0
        Quote: Alexey 1972
        secondly, if we tighten, then all of NATO can harness itself.

        Isolate wassat to panic lol nice man laughing !!! bully Have seen alarmists of this type yes !!
  8. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 5 February 2016 19: 42
    +2
    If we talk about the speed of flight of the Su-35S, then it can fly to anywhere in Syrian airspace, taking off from the Khmeimim air base, within 15 minutes.

    15 minutes is if it will fly at subsonic speed, if it is faster at supersonic.
  9. salad
    salad 5 February 2016 19: 47
    +3
    I am sure that since such a booze is planned, we have something to show and surprise the world ten years ahead !!! We can do this!!!!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 5 February 2016 19: 57
      +4
      Our group in Syria is apparently growing; incidents are not at all out of the question, and CAA needs to be helped more and more because the territory controlled by the Syrian army has expanded significantly.

      The total composition of the Russian Air Force group at the Khmeimim airbase has been increased to 40 combat aircraft - four Su-35S fighters, four Su-30SM fighters, eight Su-34M front-line bombers and 12 Su-24M front-line bombers (in a satellite image) only six Su-12s are visible - apparently, two more Su-25s were at the time of shooting in a combat mission).
      http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1719370.html
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 5 February 2016 20: 49
        -1
        And now let's try to find an answer to the question: why do Google maps give me a "snapshot" of the Khmeimim base, where there are 5-6 helicopters with nothing? Well, okay there, the air defense systems can be disguised, but where are the planes? What? Straight all-all flew away on a mission? what
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 5 February 2016 21: 48
          +1
          Quote: Wiruz
          And now let's try to find an answer to the question: why do Google maps give me a "snapshot" of the Khmeimim base, where there are 5-6 helicopters with nothing?

          Maybe he just gives out old pictures?
          These pictures as written in the article - The image published by the magazine was taken by the SPOT satellite of the Airbus Defense and Space company (directly obtained by the French National Center for Space Research - Center National d'Etudes Spatiales - CNES).
          1. Lexx769
            Lexx769 8 February 2016 13: 02
            0
            This is a photo of a Cuban)
      2. mav1971
        mav1971 5 February 2016 21: 05
        +1
        Quote: quilted jacket

        [b] The overall composition of the Russian Air Force group at the Khmeimim airbase brought to 40 combat aircraft


        That's interesting.
        Is there a rotation of pilots there?

        Indeed, in fact, as long as there is an opportunity, it is necessary to drive out all combat pilots through Syria ...
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 5 February 2016 21: 50
          +3
          That's interesting.
          Is there a rotation of pilots there?

          Indeed, in fact, as long as there is an opportunity, it is necessary to drive out all combat pilots through Syria ...

          The other day there was infa, they say, Su-34 YuVO airplanes worked out refueling in the air during exercises.
          I have a thought right away "the guys will be transferred to Syria" bully
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 5 February 2016 22: 04
            0
            Quote: Wiruz
            The other day there was infa, they say, Su-34 YuVO airplanes worked out refueling in the air during exercises.
            I immediately thought "the guys will be transferred to Syria" bully

            It may well be so.
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 5 February 2016 21: 51
          0
          Quote: mav1971
          Is there a rotation of pilots there?

          I think no one knows this except for the pilots and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but according to the idea there should still be a "hot spot", a huge load on airplane pilots, but I don't think that it is frequent.
      3. red_october
        red_october 8 February 2016 17: 55
        0
        And 4 Su-27СМ where? Or is it instead of them Su-35С?
        At the base or at the time of shooting in the air?
    2. gg.na
      gg.na 6 February 2016 01: 20
      0
      Quote: salat
      We can do this!!!!

      Everything ... not everything !!! But, something we can show and something to surprise! There are some developments wink !Yes!!! bully
  10. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 5 February 2016 19: 53
    -2
    In fact, four cars are few, at least two dozen are needed
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 February 2016 20: 15
      22
      There is a base with 1 runway working. There is already an excess air group for the airfield. We need another base if we significantly increase the air group.

      Yes, and the point? The base is shot by Turkish MLRS with a package of 2 missiles (more than 100 vehicles).


      Turkish version of Tornado with 300mm rockets.


      And Turkish OTRK Idirim.


      The Korean 155 mm Howitzer is also killing the range with active rockets.


      Yes, the Armor and S-400 will bring down something, but the Turks can overload the air defense with targets quite easily, even without the participation of the Air Force (with a massive blow by their Smerch + MLRS + Idirim) - and then wave F-16 with Harmas wave after wave (they have 1 -2 squadrons are trained according to the American program Wild Weasels - air defense breakthrough) and Som (KR).

      Therefore, two dozen - that is, all Su-35 deployed in the troops, is very short-sighted to lock on a vulnerable and cut off area. There is no longer intimidation, but the temptation to cover the newest equipment with a first strike and gain an advantage in a short-lived war (4-8 days level, and then they will die out).
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 5 February 2016 20: 28
        10
        Quote: donavi49
        Yes, the armor and the S-400 will bring down something, but the Turks can overload their air defense with targets quite easily, even without the participation of the Air Force

        Most likely, in cases of conflict it will be so, but we must not forget that the same positions of the MLRS and TR as well as the Turkish airbase will be hit by the Kyrgyz Republic and Russian aviation. And in cases of escalation, only one thing remains - a tactical nuclear strike.
        Although I am an atheist, but as they say - God forbid us from such a development.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 5 February 2016 20: 53
          +7
          Although I am an atheist, but as they say - God forbid us from such a development.

          I'm not an atheist, but I think that time "but then" it has already arrived. Not for the whole world, but for Turkey for sure! Have you noticed how the situation has heated up over the past couple of days? The Turks bark without ceasing, and Konashenkov, speaking about Turkey, is barely restraining himself so that he does not go to the mat!

          I feel that we are on the eve of a grandiose chucher request
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 5 February 2016 21: 42
            +2
            [quote = Wiruz] [quote]
            I feel that we are on the eve of a grandiose chucher request[/ Quote]
            I would not want just a big war, let alone a nuclear war.
            Our air defense in Syria.
            1. SSeT
              SSeT 5 February 2016 23: 37
              +1
              Opp-paaa ... Already the "Pantsir" was changed to C2 (at first there were 1st) and the "big" ones are threshing at all three stations - both 91st and 92nd, and 96th is not worth it, you are right , BG increased, "nix" is inevitable! :(( Unfortunately..
      2. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 5 February 2016 20: 40
        +2
        That sounds alarming. Let's hope that our management of the operation is up to date with what is happening no worse than us. A second base is needed. Just like the third, I don’t know why ours are embarrassed.
      3. Arkon
        Arkon 5 February 2016 22: 00
        +1
        "Yes Pantsiri and S-400 will shoot down something, but the Turks can overload air defense with targets quite easily, even without the participation of the Air Force (with a massive blow with their Tornado + MLRS + Idirim)"

        EW systems are not taken into account. They, I think, will complicate the defeat.

        "There is no longer intimidation, but the temptation to cover the newest equipment with the first blow and gain an advantage in a fleeting war (level 4-8 days, and then they will quieten down)."

        No. If Turkey begins military operations, then all forces and means will be used except for strategic nuclear forces. They, I think, understand this.
        1. SSeT
          SSeT 5 February 2016 23: 41
          +1
          EW with a sudden massive shock will not help. F-16 that shot down the Su-24, even the radar did not turn on
          See below Turkish Air Force potential
          1. Arkon
            Arkon 6 February 2016 15: 20
            0
            Quote: SSeT
            EW with a sudden massive shock will not help

            Quote: SSeT
            Underestimate the turbo - it will cost a lot, there is 50 km of everything to the border, and the Turkish army is very severe, not rodents


            Underestimate? And there was no thought.
            However, EW simulating the surface for radio fuses will help with any mass attack.
            And the Turks simply must understand that there will be no step back for them. No 4-8 days.
      4. SSeT
        SSeT 5 February 2016 23: 23
        0
        We also take into account 240 F-16 extreme modifications, not horseradish. Underestimate the turbo - it will cost a lot, there is 50 km of everything to the border, and the Turkish army is very severe, not rodents
  11. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 5 February 2016 19: 54
    +4
    Here's another topic
    “Aircraft will be in pairs on duty at Hmeimim airbase, in a minute readiness for takeoff. The principle of interaction with strike aircraft is as follows: Su-35 will cover airplanes, increasing their field of view. When the Su-35 pair becomes “in the opposite direction”, the review reaches 360 degrees by 400 kilometers around, ”RIA Novosti reports to him.
    1. SSeT
      SSeT 5 February 2016 23: 44
      +1
      The only thing that remains is that in the "donut" the patrol is like in the Second World War
  12. izya top
    izya top 5 February 2016 20: 05
    15
  13. Michael67
    Michael67 5 February 2016 20: 07
    +2
    Oh and handsome, a sight for sore eyes. Now our pilots will practice from the heart. ...on location.
  14. donavi49
    donavi49 5 February 2016 20: 18
    +3
    There, the Turks again bombed Iraq, he already stopped even expressing a protest.

    Turkey bombed Kurdish positions in Iraq
    Turkey announces successful military operation against militants of the Kurdistan Workers Party in northern Iraq. This was reported by NTV channel with reference to the statement of the army.
    Aircraft F-4 and F-16 at night they dropped high-precision bombs on the positions of the Kurds in North Iraq region of Kandil.
    The destruction of weapons depots, fuel tanks and shelters is reported.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 5 February 2016 20: 26
      +8
      Quote: donavi49
      There, the Turks again bombed Iraq, he already stopped even expressing a protest.

      Let's figure it out ... everything has its time!
  15. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 5 February 2016 20: 21
    +3
    Well, with God!
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 5 February 2016 20: 34
      +8
      Good luck guys
  16. vadostar
    vadostar 5 February 2016 20: 25
    +1
    If only they wouldn’t fix it, the level is too high ...
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 5 February 2016 20: 34
      +2
      Quote: vadostar
      If only they wouldn’t fix it, the level is too high ...
  17. By001261
    By001261 5 February 2016 20: 30
    +1
    Beautiful birds !!!
  18. garnik64
    garnik64 5 February 2016 20: 31
    +1
    Airplanes are good. I need a land base of the CSTO countries on the border with Turkey, in Syria. Or
    something like that. Turkey will not calm down and send its troops into Syria, with the blessing of the United States. And I think that the beast will sink (by accident) in the Bosphorus Strait some kind of trough.
  19. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 5 February 2016 20: 31
    +1
    It is unclear what will happen if the Turks bomb our base. There is a probability, IMHO.
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 5 February 2016 20: 51
      +4
      The most important thing, that there would be no whining about a stab in the back, this will be the end. And an immediate crushing military response must follow, and do not be afraid of NATO, they themselves are healthy
  20. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 5 February 2016 20: 36
    +3
    Quote: Alexander_
    It is unclear what will happen if the Turks bomb our base. There is a probability, IMHO.

    Surely our similar scenario "played out", without panic and "hap-mongering". We will answer. Worthy.
  21. Deniskostyuk
    Deniskostyuk 5 February 2016 20: 44
    +5
    In Armenia there is a base and troops garnik64, next to Turkey! And the news is great that the aircraft with electronic warfare!
    1. garnik64
      garnik64 5 February 2016 20: 56
      +2
      As for the base in Armenia, I know, I saw it myself. And the land base in Syria will cool the Ottomans.
  22. Yak28
    Yak28 5 February 2016 20: 45
    -4
    Quote: Alexey 1972
    I honestly if the Turks rush to Syria, so that our work done would not lose another option other than tactical nuclear strikes on Turkish bases, I don’t see a quick solution for us.
    If we don’t fight with Turkey for 5 days without tactical nuclear weapons, firstly Turkey is not Georgia, and secondly, if we drag out, then all of NATO can harness itself.

    Yes, if Turks will not bring in troops for an adult, it will not seem a little, the Syrians will not be able to defend the Turkish army, and no one will protect our planes at the airport. Whether the United States harnesses or not, it’s worth it They won’t get a TV set about a stab in the back. So, let’s rack our brains on how to be with the Turks. Personally, I also do not see tactical nuclear weapons at Turkish military units, bases, airfields. We have no land fleet in the region the army is not there either.
    1. voronbel53
      voronbel53 5 February 2016 21: 10
      0
      So you listen to such people - everything, our kapets, only nuclear weapons will save, and everything else, it turns out, is just show-off, and nothing more. That is why God does not give horns to such a god as a butting cow. It's scary to think if in Ukraine such nuclear weapons would have remained after the collapse of the USSR, what would have happened. The couch colonel will figure it out without you, Mr. "Help" ...
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 5 February 2016 21: 22
        0
        But you’re not a couch colonel, are you writing from the front line? What would you do if the Turks brought in ground forces, hundreds of tanks with the support of air defense, aviation, artillery, multiple launch rocket systems, having previously made operational tactical missiles firing with the support of the fleet, our airfield?
        Of course, it is possible without nuclear, but for a long time here NATO can come to a knockdown
      2. SSeT
        SSeT 5 February 2016 23: 54
        -2
        Are you throwing Cossacks from your sofa to the Turks?
        The 1st Army is strongest in the region, if you have a military unit, prepare Cossacks, stock up ..
  23. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 February 2016 20: 49
    +7
    We’ll wet! Methodically and by all means .... And who is easy now, but to hell? bully
  24. bikeev1234
    bikeev1234 5 February 2016 20: 50
    +2
    God help them
  25. Dikson
    Dikson 5 February 2016 20: 54
    +4
    If today the Americans asked their citizens not to visit the south-east of Turkey, and the Saudis announced their readiness to occupy Syria - there will certainly be a batch .. The only question is when ... I’m afraid that the Yugoslav scenario is being prepared, they will tear the country to pieces. And ours if they don’t roll it out (such an option is possible)
    , they’ll simply be forced to leave the country ..
  26. boroda64
    boroda64 5 February 2016 20: 55
    10
    ..
    - pancake
    - remembering the army = he himself served in OBATO
    / those who are aware of aviation will understand /
    - FOUR !!!! of the month
    - serve flights at such a pace ....
    - take off my hat - in front of techies ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 5 February 2016 21: 03
      +2
      We know, we know: the aggressive block OBATO: who "provides", that girl and dances.
    2. Vinchi
      Vinchi 6 February 2016 23: 27
      0
      Probably in the know how to warm the take-off in the winter after a snowfall? soldier
  27. eskela
    eskela 5 February 2016 21: 13
    +2
    car class, beautiful. Interestingly, Mig-35 will be sent there for testing. smile
  28. Gadzilla
    Gadzilla 5 February 2016 21: 20
    +1
    and what is cooler than the Su-35 of the same SU-30SM? I'm so for fun
    1. KnightRider
      KnightRider 5 February 2016 22: 00
      +2
      Quote: Gadzilla
      and what is cooler than the Su-35 of the same SU-30SM? I'm so for fun

      The radar is more powerful, the engines are newer, more powerful, it flies in super-sound without afterburner, the flight range is longer, the maximum speed is higher ...
  29. atamankko
    atamankko 5 February 2016 21: 27
    +1
    Good luck, flyers of Russia, in Syria.
  30. rJIiOK
    rJIiOK 5 February 2016 21: 27
    +1
    Very beautiful birds.
    Of course, the latest technology is first tested in Syria and demonstrated, but not at all in order to launch 10.000 $ rockets onto tarpaulin tents.
  31. raliv
    raliv 5 February 2016 21: 35
    +1
    Right heart rejoices. More such news.
  32. GSVG 86-88
    GSVG 86-88 5 February 2016 22: 09
    +2
    The real gain is that the "beavers" only look down.
  33. _umka_
    _umka_ 5 February 2016 22: 34
    +5
    More such planes !!!
  34. Garris199
    Garris199 5 February 2016 22: 34
    +3
    Well, finally, new missiles. It’s with them that this bird (and thirty) will fly around aside.
  35. Diviz
    Diviz 5 February 2016 23: 50
    +2
    We are waiting for the downed f15 16
  36. gg.na
    gg.na 6 February 2016 01: 29
    +2
    In general, I really like the news good ! I am glad that now there will be our fighter aircraft! good
  37. From Samara
    From Samara 6 February 2016 01: 58
    +1
    Now we need to deliver something terrible to Armenia ... Iskander for example ... and agree with Iran that there would be a couple of motorized rifle divisions at the border with Armenia ...
  38. vanya130899
    vanya130899 6 February 2016 10: 16
    +4

    Here, as it seems to me the best video about Russian military pilots in Syria! Honestly, the heroism of our pilots moved me to tears, and it is because of this video that my patriotism rolls over! :)
    1. vka
      vka 7 February 2016 16: 43
      +1
      Super class angry good great video
  39. Rock616
    Rock616 8 February 2016 01: 11
    +2
    Now we need to bring down a couple F for advertising purposes wassat
  40. GEV67
    GEV67 8 February 2016 12: 08
    +2
    Great place to break in the plane! And as for the war with Turkey, no one knows what will be and how. At our headquarters there are people who control all the movements of the Turkish army. The main thing is not to escalate soldier
  41. Belousov
    Belousov 8 February 2016 13: 31
    0
    The machines are beautiful, powerful, but that's just the problem - the Turks have more than 200 fighters, and there are only 4 of them, somehow it will not be enough in the event of a real batch, even with the support of other aircraft from the base + air defense. And another question is whether there will be an order for destruction? Knowing our politicians, who prioritize the interests of their own pockets and "subordinate" commercial structures, I am not sure that such an order will be given and, as a result, we will again wipe ourselves off and threaten the tomatoes.
    1. maks007
      maks007 8 February 2016 17: 19
      0
      Many assume that:
      - a ground operation in the border area is possible and support from Turkey only with artillery support => i.e. against the armed forces of Syria;
      - support from Turkey by aviation is unlikely, since the S-400 with its capabilities in terms of determining what and how much (I see everything);
      - not all military men in Turkey think they support an invasion plan;
      - Etc.
      NATO, represented by the Secretary General of the Alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, supported Turkey, as it is a politician in this position, not a military one.
  42. red_october
    red_october 8 February 2016 19: 44
    0
    Quote: Belousov
    The machines are beautiful, powerful, but that's just the problem - the Turks have more than 200 fighters, and there are only 4 of them, somehow it will not be enough in the event of a real batch, even with the support of other aircraft from the base + air defense. And another question is whether there will be an order for destruction? Knowing our politicians, who prioritize the interests of their own pockets and "subordinate" commercial structures, I am not sure that such an order will be given and, as a result, we will again wipe ourselves off and threaten the tomatoes.


    4Su-35S + 4Su-30Sm + 4Su-27SM + 8 Su-34 = 20 fighters + S-300F of the Varyag cruiser, if it turns out to be near, + S-400. Perhaps the VKS bases in Armenia and Crimea will come to the rescue. Or maybe not, far away. Depends on the duration of the potential conflict. But you have to understand: Turkey will not deploy 200 fighters at once, and even if it does deploy a hundred, it’s not a fact that I’ll be enough ... after the shot down 20, continue to attack. This is if we take purely fighters and our air defense installations.
    The most dangerous thing for us is the massive artillery fire on our base, here we must have time to suppress the MLRS deployment sites with "calibers" and / or strategic / long-range aviation. And not with an arrival time of 2-3 hours, then there will be nothing left of our base in Syria .... I hope this option has already been calculated by our general staff.
    Perhaps there are qualified specialists on the site who can reveal this topic.