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Why Russia is unique

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This will not remember at the economic forum in Davos. This did not notice (or try not to notice), several leading economists. The consequences are aware only investors, but even they do not try to study the problem.

Five-million metropolis of St. Petersburg is at a latitude of 60 c. north of the equator. On the reverse side of the Earth, at the same latitude, it extends only uninhabited territories of northern Canada and the rare villages with speaking names like Uranium City.

In the southern hemisphere at this latitude there is nothing. The American continent ends at 55 th degree. w. (Cape Horn) for 65-th degree meet Antarctica.

Africa and Australia are located much closer to the equator — their southernmost (i.e., coldest) edge is located in the tropics (35 ° S lat.).

New York and Chicago are the latitude of Turkey. This is the most northern US cities.

No less favorable position was taken by China. Half of its territory is located at a latitude south of the African countries of Tunisia and Morocco.



Location climates also depends on the latitude. European climate is softened by the warm ice-free ocean. Scandinavia warm Gulf Stream. Because a typical Norwegian house has a single window frames, and Finland put strawberries in the open field.

Historical the "absolute minimum" in Bergen (Norway) and Turkish Istanbul is the same (–16,1 ° С), and the inhabitants of London do not know what frost is minus 10.

The farther to the east, the angrier and longer become winter, temperature fluctuations are amplified. Sharply continental climate is exacerbated by extreme northern location areas.

Of all the countries 297 Russian climate severity unconditionally comes out on top. The coldest country in the world!

For the first time this ingenious guess was voiced by the well-known domestic journalist Andrei Parshev, retired colonel of the FPS. Comparing the obvious facts, he received a harmonious theory. The essence of which consists in the fact that the development of the domestic economy is entirely subordinated to irreducible natural-climatic anomalies in most of the country. It is precisely because for us entry into the WTO is destructive.

Any production in Russia is characterized by a monstrous level of costs.

When the temperature of the outer casing of any unit in 100 ° C, the heat loss in the Ural winter (–30) will be twice as high as that of a similar unit somewhere in the tropics (+ 30). In such conditions, try to maintain the desired temperature inside the distillation unit in height with a multi-storey building. What will be the difference in losses and costs compared to a similar plant in the United States?

Thick walls, massive foundations and heating systems of domestic factory workshops (as compared with an asphalt ground and a tin pavilion somewhere in Malaysia) eloquently indicate to investors the need for serious investments. With minus 20, everything becomes literally a problem. Heating of a tank with a chemical product or unloading of a wagon with frozen coal. The only profitable production - freeze dumplings.

Other things being equal the cost of any goods produced in Russia is higher than in any country of the world. That automatically makes it uncompetitive in the global market.

In the context of the free movement of capital, no investor, nor our or foreign, will not invest in the development of production in Russia. Much of his money invested in Russian industry, will be spent just to fight the adverse conditions, without any benefit to the final product. If you do not understand the investor understands the banker gives the investor a loan and check its business plan.

A. Parshev “Why Russia is not America”.

Russia will never be a cheap “assembly factory” like Malaysia or China. But, even more surprisingly, it is not profitable for the West, even as a “raw materials appendage.” What it is explained by two factors:

a) unfavorable weather conditions;
b) inconvenient location of production sites, exacerbated by huge distances.

What it looks like the ideal?

Drill a hole in the Saudi Peninsula, fit a tanker - and send a batch of oil to anywhere in the world. The climate as in the resort in Dubai, deposits on the coast, transportation by sea (the most profitable of all types of transport).

What does this look like with us? Thousand-kilometer pipelines, tundra, taiga, midge in summer, bitter cold in winter. From the vegetation only moss, all the hope of the happy inhabitants of those places on the “northern delivery”. Even more absurd mining on the Arctic shelf. Ice, icebreakers, storms, zero visibility, polar night, winter 12 months of the year.

In Europe, there is always a demand for hydrocarbons. But as far as cost-effective production of oil in the Far North? What is laid down in the draft percentage of profit? Especially when the prices of oil in the region of US $ 30. Per barrel.

Russian coal mining looks no less tough. From the depths of the Kuzbass mines - through the whole of Siberia and the Far East, under the rest of the car wheels.

Why Russia is unique

Coal mine in Australia


How should this look ideally? Extraction by open pit, coal mined on the warm Australian coast. With the subsequent transportation by sea - no problem, anywhere in the world.

Moral of the story: there is always mine in the world, whose development is easier and more profitable than the development of domestic mines in appalling conditions in Siberia and the Far North.

survival Recipe

- Why are there two heads and three crowns on the Russian coat of arms?
- One head to the west looks, the other to the east, but its not.


With all the disagreement with some of the views of Andrei Parshev, it is necessary to recognize that his theory about the impossibility of “integrating” Russia into the world economy on general terms has the right to life. The facts cited by the author and the subsequent logical conclusions at least do not contradict the observed reality.

Russia can neither be an “assembly factory”, nor a “raw materials appendage.” We must find our recipe for survival in this world.

All of the above in varying degrees, is true for any country. Every nation tries to make the most of its geographical position. Whether it is the Anglo-Saxon naval civilization, Saudi Oil rocking loafers or transport in Singapore node at the intersection of the trade route from Asia to Europe.

About the only possible way of development of win-win for Russia mentioned more than once.

The path to success lies in the field of high technologies. In the creation of unique products with high degree of processing, when the cost of raw materials and production costs play out against the backdrop of the cost of the final product.

Bet on the fact that the Russians are the best. Space, peaceful atom, export weapons. Invest in the development of the aviation industry, shipbuilding, IT-sphere, creating unparalleled products. Out of competition.

Medicine, biotechnology, engines, production lines, machine tools. Alas, instead of efforts to create plasma etching installations for microcircuits, we preferred to swarm in black sticky dirt. Which also managed to fall three times in price over the past year. In their wretchedness, the participants in the “anti-crisis forums” are like Papuans, gathered under a dried palm and waiting for the coconut to ripen. What is more important to build - “North” or “South Stream”?

Over the previous decade, these “downshifters” have put 3,5 trillions worth of hydrocarbons for export. dollars, of which oil per trillion 800, another trillion oil products, about 800 billion amounted to exports of natural gas. And now, with the price of oil in 30 dollars, they, of course, have no money for anything.

Russia, in contrast to Malaysia and Zimbabwe, had no luck with the climate, but were lucky with the people inhabiting it. The nation opened a radio and an incandescent lamp. It paved the way mankind into space. Create a TV and a helicopter. What kind of technologies we can offer in the new century to take its rightful place in the world? ..



Book Parsheva Andrew came back in 1999 year, but unfortunately, since it was not made any conclusions.
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  1. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 5 February 2016 06: 06
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    Why Russia is unique
    A strange question, because there is NO such thing anymore! Well, it is hardened by frost, in the Second World War it is very demonstratively demonstrated (for example, near Stalingrad)!
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 5 February 2016 06: 34
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      Any production in Russia is characterized by a monstrous level of costs.

      In our country, a huge number of talents. You can cope with any costs and minimize costs. What prevents in the first place? Why is development slowing down?

      " Because a significant part of the population is engaged in completely useless, unproductive labor. Some are constantly calculating, compiling and composing something. And others constantly check, control, take into account, inspect something and so on. As a result of their labor, none of them gives rise to anything new, no new real benefits. We can say that all of them are constantly busy searching for solutions to some complex legislative and logarithmic equations and then checking the results of these creative studies. "

      "... the state has to bear the costs of supporting these people - at the expense of the state budget, thus losing its development potential ..."
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 5 February 2016 07: 39
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        "... the state has to bear the costs of supporting these people - at the expense of the state budget, thus losing its development potential ..."

        A little tear does not crush from your opus. Can they throw off ??? and then the state’s money is so little expensive as Yushchenko’s face and officials’ cars as the cost of the budget of a small European city. I remember a video on YouTube that they searched one of the bureaucrats, when they opened the third bag of money, I almost fell back but then it was already funny to tears when pulled out the fifth.
        Our state is so poor that what kind of official doesn’t look at the tsar’s king.
        1. Temples
          Temples 5 February 2016 08: 50
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          - Why are there two heads and three crowns on the Russian coat of arms?
          - One head to the west looks, the other to the east, but its not.


          In Russian there is no word "NO".
          There is a word no.
          Ok, in the comments we write with errors, but in the articles the authors could check their texts.
          Pompous such speech, and write with errors.

          Five-million metropolis of St. Petersburg is at a latitude of 60 c. north of the equator. On the reverse side of the Earth, at the same latitude, it extends only uninhabited territories of northern Canada and the rare villages with speaking names like Uranium City.


          Why don't the author look around Peter?
          And he may see neighboring countries living in similar "terribly northern conditions". And for the life and habitat of not crying.
          And the latitude is 60g. can you find somewhere else from the equator? I mean, is there still further south ???
          Why do we need all these "minuses" and "pluses", really Oleg?
          when life is so harsh laughing
          And I feel good in Russia. And nature is gorgeous and people are great !!!
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 5 February 2016 10: 26
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            Quote: Temples
            And he may see neighboring countries living in similar "terribly northern conditions". And for the life and habitat of not crying.

            Only Finns live in approximately equal conditions with us, but there are very few of them and they are well adapted to cooperate with us and get good benefits.
            The Swedes and others in the West are already quite aware of the influence of the golf stream, the Balts live well - don’t tell my slippers laughing .
            Some remnants of warm winds reach us too. request , but extremely little and more bring precipitation (snow, rain) and a change in temperature.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 5 February 2016 18: 39
              +2
              The continental climate has its very significant advantages. In Yakutia, for example, cereals are ripening, but in Iceland they are not, and there are a million such examples.
              1. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 6 February 2016 11: 06
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                Quote: KaPToC
                In Yakutia, for example, cereals ripen

                In the far north of Yakutia? or in the south?
                1. Captain45
                  Captain45 6 February 2016 11: 30
                  +5
                  Quote: shasherin.pavel
                  In the far north of Yakutia? or in the south?

                  during the Soviet era, in the 80’s in the village of Khatanga on 70 gr.se. latitude, early-growing potatoes were grown, albeit not on an industrial scale, but they also mowed hay for the cows that were in the barn. In Dudinka, Norilsk there were greenhouses and they kept dairy cows, and then everything collapsed in the disaster, because effective menagenrams don’t need it. Optimization of production, profit, efficient distribution of financial flows is the motto of the current economy, or rather, theft.
                2. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 6 February 2016 18: 47
                  0
                  And what's your difference? There is such a thing - do not care - called, use your health.
              2. Prophetic
                Prophetic 7 February 2016 20: 36
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                I don’t see any advantages in the continental climate. The southern tip of Yakutia is located at latitude 55 gr - south of Moscow. And despite this, the average annual temperature there is lower not only than in Moscow, but in Iceland, where the average annual temperature does not drop below 4 gr. In addition, despite the fact that Iceland is located at latitude 65 gr, grains and vegetables ripen there perfectly, you were mistaken. And thanks to the free geothermal energy, which heats everything at home and gives the lion's share of the electricity, everything right up to bananas is grown in greenhouses. The basis of the economy is fish. They use themselves what God sent them, and do not worry, like the Russians, about this.
            2. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 6 February 2016 11: 01
              +3
              Quote: Corsair
              Finns live in
              in conditions remote from the "Pole of Cold", which is not at the North Pole, but in Oymyakon (Siberia), while Finland is protected from the North Pole by the Gulf Stream, which allows growing apples in Norway. If someone remembers 1939 (Winter War), then you need to look at the "maximums of cold", this is when meteorologists sum up all the subzero temperatures of winter, that is, 10 days at 10 degrees, give 100 degrees C. A warm winter is about 370 degrees for Leningrad, 600 is an average, 800 and above are very cold, but 1939-40 are 1270 degrees, this happened once every 15 years. 1300 degrees in 1941-42. For comparison, winter 1943-44 = only 276 degrees. All minus days of the year are taken into account. So your knowledge of the climate of the planet is somewhere at the 5-6 grade level. This January for the Kola Peninsula is minus 27 minus 35 for almost all of January, which gives us about 900 degrees in only one month.
              1. FM-78
                FM-78 6 February 2016 14: 20
                -1
                Well done!!!!
              2. KaPToC
                KaPToC 6 February 2016 18: 49
                -1
                Actually, the winter war was in Karelia, or am I confusing something?
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 7 February 2016 09: 01
                  0
                  Actually, I brought the data for Leningrad, and they were taken from the hydrometeorological center of Leningrad. And the border at that time passed in 27 km from the city of Lenin. And if I added about the Kola Peninsula, then only for comparison, although near Pechenga fights also went on in the 1939 year, and this is the very edge of the earth.
          2. user
            user 5 February 2016 10: 27
            +7
            - One head to the west looks, the other to the east, but its not.


            I read, grinned for a long time. Then he was thoughtful, the author or with humor is cool or wrote from a hangover, did not come to a final conclusion. drinks
            1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
              Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 February 2016 12: 20
              14
              In the south, heat, drought, disease in plants, slush or ice all winter. In the afternoon, it’s 5, and in the evening it can warm up to +5, and icy rain pours right into just that it has fallen snow, under which the ice is not an emergency, but the usual whims of nature. Or vice versa, at first icy rain, and then snow - got wet and froze nafig! Winter crops were frozen and frozen. And what is it like for people in large cities if there is asphalt and concrete around, and the temperature is +40 for a month? In this weather, you can grow vegetables in July only in greenhouses. I lived in the Far East, now I live in the south, I will say this: everyone has their own problems, others do not understand very well.
              1. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 6 February 2016 11: 13
                0
                On the Kola Peninsula minus 35 and humidity due to the Gulf Stream 85%. Whoever was not will not understand when minus 25 as 60 in Siberia.
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 7 February 2016 09: 09
                  +2
                  Strange, minus the story of the climate on the Kola Peninsula? Those who were not in Monchegorsk in the winter will not understand how at 28 degrees of frost only the first two floors are visible, and the third and higher are hidden in fog. Twenty minutes later, droplets of moisture freeze on the cheeks and they are peeled off with the nails. In Murmansk, the bay soars and humidity as in a bath. If it’s minus for this story, then I don’t know what to say. It’s not a minus that surprises me, but for what it is set.
            2. CTEPX
              CTEPX 5 February 2016 16: 08
              +3
              Quote: From the article
              One head looks west, the other east, but its not.

              Quote: user
              , the author or with humor is cool or wrote from a hangover,

              The third crown is above and above the West and the East)).
            3. mitrich
              mitrich 6 February 2016 19: 41
              +1
              About high technology pleased. So we almost have them! Nano-technology led by Chubais is already, slowly but surely, dragging Russia out of the quagmire of a raw materials appendage!
              Soon, in about 300-500 years, the descendants of the redhead, Chubaisy and Chubaisiki, the whole world will fall asleep with their know-how.
              True, then it turns out that all this was already discovered in 201 ...- 202 ... years. recourse
          3. pensioneree
            pensioneree 5 February 2016 12: 00
            +7
            I completely agree with you, but in the RUSSIAN dictionary there is the word MUST! And only the "Russians", that is, those living in this vast space, are sometimes ready to sacrifice for the sake of the HOMELAND! (although often because of the power)
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          5. Oorfene Deuce
            Oorfene Deuce 5 February 2016 14: 03
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            Quote: Temples
            And I feel good in Russia. And nature is gorgeous and people are great !!!

            smile
            That's what Nekrasov said.
            Only some here sometimes happen fuyevo ... Paskuda such.
            1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
              Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 February 2016 15: 36
              +3
              By the expression of the front of the head, you can’t say that it is "fuyuo". It's good everywhere like that.
            2. 30BIS
              30BIS 5 February 2016 18: 33
              +3
              Vaughan sucker ......
              1. mitrich
                mitrich 6 February 2016 19: 44
                0
                Envy ....
                ETOGES, go on pumping all these millions of diamonds.
                You must be able, however! lol
          6. KaPToC
            KaPToC 5 February 2016 18: 32
            +1
            Not so they are neighbors - in Europe it is getting colder from west to east
          7. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 5 February 2016 19: 29
            +2
            Quote: Temples
            neighboring countries living in similar "terribly northern conditions"

            That's right, only the population of Sweden or Norway is much smaller, which means that there is much more money from the budget for each. Well, and since there are also less officials and governors there, more money is left for really needed articles
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 6 February 2016 11: 20
              0
              Quote: Pilat2009
              significantly less, which means money from the budget

              This is what side to consider? The budget is partially taxable! Fewer people have less budgets ... And now you have to carefully pay attention to every $ 1000. This is our budget for the deputy corps, as the budget of a small country in the Baltic states. The only plus (one of the pluses) of small countries is that all the country's roads can be overhauled in three months of the summer, and then they can only be swept.
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 6 February 2016 13: 26
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                Quote: shasherin.pavel
                The budget is partially taxable!

                That's right, only Norway produces and sells the same gas and oil and excise taxes are taken from the amount sold. Now, divide the profit from the sale by the number of inhabitants. Roughly speaking, if a fish factory produces $ 100 million worth of products, then it pays 10 million in taxes to the budget. 500 km of roads will be built with this money, more is not needed there, and they will serve 10 years before repair
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 7 February 2016 09: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Pilat2009
                  Norway produces and sells the same gas and oil

                  They and the law leaves the oil company only 10% of revenue. But I didn’t say a word about Norway, but about small states. It is clear that there are exceptions to the general rules. Norway and how much effort it takes to get our fish from the seiners to them, and then we bought it. What money goes into bribes here ... !!!! to our officials, so that customs laws do not allow seiners to enter the port once again. It is scary to say, but even fishing vessels are being repaired by the Norgs, not Murmansk. Several years ago, the seiner moved four miles from the border, the appendicitis attack at the sailor, returned ... they took taxes on him for fuel and fuel and lubricants, as for import from abroad, import duty and everything else. Given such a sad experience, another captain went to the seafarer's Norgs and didn’t bring him ... although Murmansk was closer, much closer. If something has changed, you can only rejoice, but I doubt however ...
          8. NordUral
            NordUral 5 February 2016 23: 50
            +5
            You about Thomas, and you about Yerema. The essence of the article is the impossibility of our economy to compete with the economies of countries with a favorable climate.
          9. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 6 February 2016 10: 34
            +2
            Quote: Temples
            Why are there two heads and three crowns on the Russian coat of arms?

            Because Russia is the direct heir to Byzantine Orthodoxy, and Byzantium was divided into Western Roman and Eastern Constantinople, both were ruled by the Caesars (the position, not the name !, from this came our crown princes), and the emperor Augustus was the head over them, hence the "August" ... After 20 years of reign, the august emperor left office and one of the Caesars was elected in his place. Russia also has two "heads" European and Asian, which in Europe and Asia are the largest states and therefore are crowned, but the third crown, Moscow, rules everything, which unites them in its own way. power.
          10. FM-78
            FM-78 6 February 2016 14: 17
            0
            Which countries? Maybe you need to study geography? The "countries" have different weather.
          11. Archon
            Archon 6 February 2016 18: 34
            0
            the word "no" is and everyone knows it. It's just colloquial, vernacular.
            Otherwise, it turns out that the words of the children's song should sound:
            "Nothing in the world is better than wandering friends around the world."
          12. Fidget
            Fidget 8 February 2016 18: 52
            0
            dear Vladimir, the article contains an anecdote "with the author's spelling", it is even highlighted in italics ... so your nagging about the author of the article is unfounded =)

            and on the topic of 60 tigratusnikov - re-read the 7th paragraph of the article! in my opinion, everything is explained in an accessible way ...

            in Russia it’s good - who argues? just drive a little winter to Siberia to visit =) about the cold, you will understand everything =)))
        2. Awega
          Awega 5 February 2016 19: 18
          +3
          Exactly ... Minister of Transport of the Saratov Region, 7 (seven) bags ...
      2. dv_generalov
        dv_generalov 5 February 2016 07: 47
        +5
        Can you offer another system of development, planning and control?
        1. Wajra-3
          Wajra-3 5 February 2016 11: 44
          37
          Once, at the dawn of youth, he began to work actively in the field of planning (engineer-economist) and control. Komsomol searchlight, commission on prices and rules of trade under the executive committee of the Leninsky district of Krasnoyarsk, commission on fashion affairs, further popular control, commission on labor, etc. etc. All this on a voluntary basis, in my free time from my main job.
          So, to what conclusion did I come then and adhere to now. In order for all control systems to be effective, it is necessary that they give out, as a result of checks, not acts that everything is wrong, but assumptions, somewhere it would be written how to do it right. And then they would be responsible for these instructions. Clever, knowing one single instruction, it would be much less. And there are even fewer people who want to answer for their words. They would be almost gone. There would be no wives, daughters, mistresses, relatives of senior officials on the control and management lodges. Knowledgeable people could realize their knowledge and get a proper salary for it. The quality of officials (in the good sense of the word) would increase dramatically, and office plankton would go to the factory. To the machine.
          But I can say one thing about planning: this year 40 years since I work as an engineer-economist. In positions from engineer-economist to CEO and chairman of the board of directors. MBA graduates must be driven by a filthy broom from industry (first of all). And better, straight from the country. This is some kind of global diversion against management. When the workshops and production become business units, and the most responsible objects are given for servicing by LLCs, the founders and directors of which are semi-competent people .... There is no Stalin on them! Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station is an example of this.
          1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
            Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 February 2016 16: 08
            +7
            If the control system gives instructions on how to do it, then in essence it will already be a control system.
            I've only been planning and supervising for 15 years. I can say the following: in order for people to be responsible, you need to: 1) ask subordinate leaders in accordance with their actions, and not so that the person failed the job, and he was exiled to an "honorary position" 2) completely exclude mutual responsibility and corruption as a moment that contributes to it 3) appoint responsible people to positions and drive irresponsible people into the neck 4) Apply the scheme: criticize - offer, offer - do, do - answer 5) The head of the system - first of all cares about the common good, and not about his own ...
            An MBA is just an educational program, moreover, flawed if received in absentia at Russian universities. The trouble with the program for society is that it takes on too much and instead of developing thinking gives everyone the same "overseas recipes", which with a lack of intelligence and experience in the learner can harm society. Do not be fooled by fancy words and methods, ask managers tricky tasks at interviews and MBA will not harm you. The same fully applies to candidates of sciences.
          2. Proxima
            Proxima 5 February 2016 22: 13
            +4
            Quote: Wajra-3
            In order for all control systems to be effective, it is necessary that they give out, as a result of checks, not acts that everything is wrong, but assumptions, somewhere it would be written how to do it right. And then they would be responsible for these instructions

            That's right !!! Like S.P. Korolyov: "If you criticize - offer, you suggest - do, DO - ANSWER !!!" If this is the case, then these "wise men" will be licked like a cow with its tongue.
          3. alexqazw
            alexqazw 6 February 2016 09: 43
            +1
            why the hell to me the office plankton at the machine. The machine needs brains to work.
            And this office will break everything. Do you know how much modern machines cost?
            Take them to yourself.
          4. Severok
            Severok 6 February 2016 10: 45
            0
            I subscribe to your every word!
      3. IrOqUoIs
        IrOqUoIs 5 February 2016 08: 10
        40
        We had one competitive advantage, capable of leveling all the shortcomings. These are cheap energy resources. But, oops, they suddenly began to cost from some side for us as well as for the West ...
        WTO, WTO - damn themselves into this cell under the sweet songs of world economic unity.
        1. Villon
          Villon 5 February 2016 11: 28
          15
          Quote: IrOqUols
          drove a pancake himself into this cell under the sweet songs of world economic unity.

          And who are those who "themselves" drove into the WTO trap? All, absolutely all specialists were against joining the WTO. The people didn't want to either.
        2. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 5 February 2016 14: 58
          +9
          Quote: IrOqUoIs
          We had one competitive advantage, capable of leveling all the shortcomings. These are cheap energy resources. But, oops, they suddenly began to cost from some side for us as well as for the West ...
          WTO, WTO - damn themselves into this cell under the sweet songs of world economic unity.


          Excuse me, is it when our energy resources were cheap ?! If under the USSR, then this is not entirely true, the distribution and pricing system there was completely different, and if you are talking about Russia, then I don’t remember when it was cheap energy in our country ?! I have a share of energy in production costs from 15% to 18% in production, about the same amount is paid. So about cheapness, you are very bent!
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 5 February 2016 15: 24
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            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            So about cheapness, you are very bent!

            Yes, he did not bend ... Electricity in the USSR cost so much that production was profitable, that railway transport worked, that metro and trolley bus costs a little money ... And we did not have a separation into energy and distribution companies, and the number of accountants and resellers of kilowatts did not grow ...

            And what kind of pricing was it not for you to judge in the USSR, if only because the dollar was then worth 67 kopecks ... You will enlighten us in your present era of pricing. We will be grateful to you ...
            hi
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 5 February 2016 16: 01
              12
              Quote: yuriy55
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              So about cheapness, you are very bent!

              Yes, he did not bend ... Electricity in the USSR cost so much that production was profitable, that railway transport worked, that metro and trolley bus costs a little money ... And we did not have a separation into energy and distribution companies, and the number of accountants and resellers of kilowatts did not grow ...

              And what kind of pricing was it not for you to judge in the USSR, if only because the dollar was then worth 67 kopecks ... You will enlighten us in your present era of pricing. We will be grateful to you ...
              hi


              But do not be rude!
              As for the division into energy producing and supply and marketing, I completely agree here. Remind me the last name of the person who ruined UES ?!

              As for the dollar at 67 kopecks and pricing in the USSR, I wrote that pricing was arranged completely differently! There was a planned economy and distribution was carried out at the state level, i.e. roughly speaking, even if the prime cost of one kW was 5 kopecks, then the sale could be say 4 kopecks, the state compensated for losses of 1 kopeck from other sources. What, you say wrong ?!

              The ruble was not volatile in relation to any currencies, and not just to the dollar! By the way, at 67 kopecks, you would never buy a dollar, only if you were sent on an official business trip abroad and only a limited and strictly accountable amount!

              I also want to go back to the USSR, but this is only Wishlist! And the reality is different and we want it or not, but we live in this reality, and not in the one where the ice cream is made from natural cream and 20 cents each!
            2. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 6 February 2016 11: 34
              0
              There are seven general directors in the Murmansk city power network! used to be alone and the chiefs of the plots. One of them is a mystery to everyone! because of his decrepitude, he rises on the third floor from 8 to 11 at 12 hours and begins to descend in order to catch a car by the end of the day. Nobody knows what position he occupies (except for the general one). And I’m silent about CRES, the director went on vacation with them. The whole CRES was paid a month later than usual.
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 5 February 2016 18: 41
            0
            18 percent? What is so small?
      4. Pereira
        Pereira 5 February 2016 08: 52
        28
        The state is not forced to bear the costs.
        The state in the person of the liberal bloc consciously cultivates this situation. Money, albeit on a small scale, is allocated precisely so that people do not create or create without competing with the West.
        So it is not necessary to expose the state as a victim, but officials as victims of the stupid and mediocre people.
        1. lame
          lame 5 February 2016 09: 07
          +7
          Quote: Pereira
          The state in the person of the liberal bloc consciously cultivates this situation.

          It would seem, and here Putin.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 5 February 2016 09: 20
            +2
            No, nothing to do with it. He is not in the know. They hide the truth from him.
            Otherwise, both Chubais and Gref with Kudrin, not to mention the ministers of education and health, would have long worked on logging.
            1. Villon
              Villon 5 February 2016 11: 32
              +6
              Quote: Pereira
              No, nothing to do with it. He is not in the know. They hide the truth from him.
              Otherwise, both Chubais and Gref with Kudrin, not to mention the ministers of education and health, would have long worked on logging.

              Of course, the truth is hidden from him. One can only hope that he will go to the WTO forum.
              1. Pravdarm
                Pravdarm 5 February 2016 11: 47
                0
                Quote: Villon
                No, nothing to do with it. He is not in the know. They hide the truth from him.

                I would like to say: "UA-HA-HA"
                It turns out
                ... may not see
                ... let him not hear!
                Whether?????????
              2. Pereira
                Pereira 5 February 2016 16: 39
                +1
                Here I am about that. Waiting, sir.
            2. SergeyA
              SergeyA 5 February 2016 23: 08
              -3
              Quote: Pereira
              No, nothing to do with it. He is not in the know. They hide the truth from him.
              Otherwise, both Chubais and Gref with Kudrin, not to mention the ministers of education and health, would have long worked on logging.

              He is a golden man! He thinks all about the people.
            3. SergeyA
              SergeyA 5 February 2016 23: 08
              -4
              Quote: Pereira
              No, nothing to do with it. He is not in the know. They hide the truth from him.
              Otherwise, both Chubais and Gref with Kudrin, not to mention the ministers of education and health, would have long worked on logging.

              He is a golden man! He thinks all about the people.
            4. vvv-73
              vvv-73 6 February 2016 10: 24
              0
              Do you really believe that he knows nothing? He will be smarter than many, and if he acts like that, he has his own reasons. And the reasons may be different, including those that you and I will not like.
      5. Skif83
        Skif83 5 February 2016 09: 26
        34
        Duck so imprisoned so-called. Russian "Elita" and Twitter government. It was they, the last of the Gaidar, who raised menageri to the rank of the most prestigious profession ?!
        Why be surprised?
        Where did they come from, the current "elita"?
        From the Komsomol secretaries and similar idlers. They were only (not all!) Slightly "combed" in Western business schools.
        It means that they launched the state along the way corresponding to their understanding of the situation. And since they didn’t know how to do anything special, they didn’t want to learn, they didn’t differ in understanding, then they failed ... everything they touched!
        And to complain that Russia is not Malaysia is stupid.
        And glory to the gods that it is not Malaysia and not Singapore!
        When the USSR created a unique technological base, despite the climate, distances, etc.
        Resource of strength non-current leaders are still eating up !!!
        Can create such a resource Malaysia, Saudis, USA? It is unknown, with a high degree of probability - NO!
        Therefore, Russia is unique, first of all, by people.
        And all this perestroika-selling foam-elite leads to the everyday life of the people, which is set by their patrons-partners-enemies!
        If you tear the bulk of the people from the REAL BUSINESS, what remains? Namely, useless, unproductive labor. And so that the people do not have time to understand that they have passed into the category of draft cattle, it is necessary to adapt it to anything, even if it is unproductive, and so as not to excite the bailers-overseers.
        The American dollar gave rise to a unique phenomenon - a virtual economy, hence the virtual, not related to reality, problems, laws, etc.
        1. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 12: 24
          +1
          Quote: Skif83
          But they, the last of the Gaidar elevated menagers to the rank of the most prestigious profession ?!

          No, not them, Henry Ford was the first to implement this, placing "managers" in leading positions.
          1. Pre-cat
            Pre-cat 5 February 2016 14: 35
            11
            Here it is not necessary to hang dogs on Henry Ford. Read his book. It specifically says that for production there is no worse animal than an effective manager. Which strive only to reduce costs (in any way) and increase revenue in the shortest possible time. And he has no time to think about the future. In addition, Ford said that resale of products is a fraud legitimized by the state.
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 14: 54
              0
              Quote: The cat is half-educated
              Read his book.

              Forgive me, either you read something wrong, or these words, as often happens, are "taken out of context" request
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 5 February 2016 14: 31
          14
          Quote: Skif83
          When the USSR created a unique technological base, despite the climate, distances, etc.

          Why was such a base created? This issue is not touched upon in the article, and the "recipe" for success is quite primitive, that is, this recipe is an unviable nonsense, in the style of "all good except all bad."
          But in general, why was the USSR quite successful both in foreign markets and within itself, providing people with food and work? And here is why. The USSR let out of its borders only what it intended to sell in order to provide itself with a certain amount of currency for some separate projects.
          And his main economy was reliably fenced off from the world, and therefore from the world financial bandits, from the killers of economies and financial wars. What allowed to solve such problems as independent development of those sectors of the economy, which were recognized as necessary. This made it possible to stably feed all citizens and engage in their agriculture work, not paying attention to whether the price of any sugar fell somewhere in the world or not.
          Yes, the USSR was doing worse and worse, but not because its economic model was a dead end. Here it is just nothing prevented from developing and improving! On the contrary, the margin of safety of this model was so great that it seemed to the ruling elite inexhaustible. And the elite is rotten, allowing itself to lose all working qualities, but at the same time desperately dreaming of maybahs and cottages in the Canaries. It was the collapse of control that killed the USSR, despite powerful backlogs in all areas.
          And now it would work - to cut off most of the economic entities from the world market, that's what we really need. Alas, the model of spherical capitalism in a vacuum, which, under great pressure, drives into the brains of our rulers at the Higher School of Economics (this capitalism never existed at all, like a "Prince Charming" or "Noble Knight", but people believe in this nonsense!) Such actions betray such actions anathema with screaming, screaming and beating the holy fool economic guru with the back of his head on the floor with foaming at the mouth.
          There is a way to quickly escape. But he is forbidden.
        3. Captain45
          Captain45 6 February 2016 11: 38
          0
          Quote: Skif83
          Where did they come from, the current "elita"?
          From the Komsomol secretaries and similar idlers. They were only (not all!) Slightly "combed" in Western business schools.
          It means that they launched the state along the way corresponding to their understanding of the situation. And since they didn’t know how to do anything special, they didn’t want to learn, they didn’t differ in understanding, then they failed ... everything they touched!

          good hi
      6. Wolverine
        Wolverine 5 February 2016 09: 34
        +6
        Here is a hundred percent hit, word for word, respect removed from the language. drinks good
      7. Villon
        Villon 5 February 2016 11: 22
        +3
        Quote: Al_oriso
        Any production in Russia is characterized by a monstrous level of costs.

        In our country, a huge number of talents. You can cope with any costs and minimize costs. What prevents in the first place? Why is development slowing down?

        " Because a significant part of the population is engaged in completely useless, unproductive labor. Some are constantly calculating, compiling and composing something. And others constantly check, control, take into account, inspect something and so on. As a result of their labor, none of them gives rise to anything new, no new real benefits. We can say that all of them are constantly busy searching for solutions to some complex legislative and logarithmic equations and then checking the results of these creative studies. "

        "... the state has to bear the costs of supporting these people - at the expense of the state budget, thus losing its development potential ..."

        Is it not the state itself that forces them to do these meaningless and costly actions?
      8. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 11: 49
        0
        Quote: Al_oriso
        Because a significant part of the population is engaged in completely useless, unproductive labor.

        That's right, but only from the point of view of "macroeconomics" they produce GDP and do, albeit useless, work for which they can be paid money, and they can spend it and thereby stimulate that very production, again increasing GDP.
        And you can't put them all "at the plant", because in connection with the growing automation and labor productivity, we will again get overproduction crisisthat same Great Depression of the 30s.
        And this is not my opinion, it was Keynes wrote on whose basic ideas the modern global economy is built in particular hi
      9. potalevl
        potalevl 5 February 2016 12: 00
        +1
        If you argue like you and your plus-partners, then the country and the army are not needed because it does not generate any new real benefits, and the costs of its maintenance are not small. And the president, with ministers and deputies, and other physically weak people are not needed. And athletes, and teachers and many, many representatives of various professions, which, according to your concepts, do not generate real benefits. If you are so smart, tell me how a huge number of talents in our country can cope with any costs and expenses and make the country prosperous, and the population of this country happy, eliminating all unnecessary, in your opinion, professions, specialties and positions. Or do you think that all the "costs for the maintenance of these people" are only in Russia, and in other states there are no such costs, so others live better than us? Learn materiel, dear.
      10. potalevl
        potalevl 5 February 2016 12: 29
        -1
        potalevl (2) RU Today, 12:00 PM ↑
        Al-oriso, if we argue like you and your plus-partners, then the country and the army do not need because it does not generate any new real benefits, and the costs of its maintenance are not small. And the president, with ministers and deputies, and other physically weak people are not needed. And athletes, and teachers and many, many representatives of various professions, which, according to your concepts, do not generate real benefits. If you are so smart, tell me how a huge number of talents in our country can cope with any costs and expenses and make the country prosperous, and the population of this country happy, eliminating all unnecessary, in your opinion, professions, specialties and positions. Or do you think that all the "costs for the maintenance of these people" are only in Russia, and in other states there are no such costs, so others live better than us? Learn materiel, dear, and do not throw slogans.
        1. Al_oriso
          Al_oriso 5 February 2016 14: 27
          -1
          Quote: potalevl
          potalevl (2) RU Today, 12:00 PM ↑
          Al-oriso, if we argue like you and your plus-partners, then the country and the army do not need because it does not generate any new real benefits, and the costs of its maintenance are not small. And the president, with ministers and deputies, and other physically weak people are not needed. And athletes, and teachers and many, many representatives of various professions, which, according to your concepts, do not generate real benefits. If you are so smart, tell me how a huge number of talents in our country can cope with any costs and expenses and make the country prosperous, and the population of this country happy, eliminating all unnecessary, in your opinion, professions, specialties and positions. Or do you think that all the "costs for the maintenance of these people" are only in Russia, and in other states there are no such costs, so others live better than us? Learn materiel, dear, and do not throw slogans.

          No need to put another meaning in my words. On your part, this is pure demagogy.
        2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 February 2016 16: 39
          +7
          The army is the cost of security, doctors are the cost of maintaining the health of workers, teachers are the cost of training. And that's why some athletes and figures of the so-called. "art" is not clear.
          A significant part of the population is really busy writing and rewriting pieces of paper that can only be wiped during the crisis years.
          You can look at other countries, just do not need to thoughtlessly adopt their experience. We are not them.
          In our country, they tried to replace conscience with the law, but it turned out that without conscience the laws do not work in our country either. And the leadership all got dirty in *****. There is no magic way out of the situation. Everyone in his place, in his life should try to improve this life and raise his children - a new generation, preferably a lot, otherwise nothing will help - neither resources and an effective organization, nor people with a clear conscience. hi
          1. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 6 February 2016 11: 53
            0
            Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
            doctors - the cost of maintaining workers' health
            ??
            Only not in our remote places ... Some losers when they graduate ... They are needed only for the sick leave, so that the disease can not be tolerated on one's feet.
        3. KaPToC
          KaPToC 5 February 2016 18: 45
          +1
          The army breeds security, do not believe me - ask the Ukrainians.
      11. opus
        opus 5 February 2016 14: 06
        +3
        Quote: Al_oriso
        What prevents in the first place? Why is development slowing down?

        physics.
        -Heat (workshop, apartment, bus, bureau) from -20 ° C (-30 ° C) for 6-7 months (and the rest of the time from -5 ° C) wink ) to + 20 ° C (25 ° C) costs 3,5 times 5 times more than cooling (workshop, apartment, bus, bureau) from + 40 ° C to = 22 ° C (heat engine)
        biology
        eat at -20grs the same need more (and more high-calorie) than at + 40grS.
        -logistics (our country is "stretched" in latitude, but for political, social reasons), enterprises are spread throughout the country.
        USA simpler all on the east coast (promka)
        And again, the oceans, count from 4 sides
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 5 February 2016 21: 32
          -4
          this is true in Parshev’s science fiction, in real life the energy consumption in the south of a condo is higher than in the north for a stove. Critics of Parshev wrote about this, and he personally was convinced of this more than once in the UAE.

          By the way, storing food at minus 20 is much better than at plus 50ti. laughing

          In general, about this dependence on energy consumption from latitude, this is nonsense. It is more important that there is a source of a resource from a production point. The cost of energy in Europe and Ukraine will be different, but the latitude is one.

          All the poor countries by the way in the south, rich in the North. According to the author, prosperity should be somewhere in Zimbabwe and the Congo
          1. opus
            opus 6 February 2016 02: 24
            +2
            Quote: Pissarro
            it’s in Parshev’s science fiction so, in real life, the energy consumption in the south of the condo is higher than in the north

            What nonsense is this?
            Are you out of your mind?
            REFRIGERATOR + climate.


            PV = RT go to "school" if it's not too late (You are a victim of the exam! = 100%)
            Quote: Pissarro
            In general, about this dependence on energy consumption from latitude, this is nonsense.

            nonsense, he is nonsense, if urinal instead of the brain ....
            Quote: Pissarro
            All the poor countries by the way in the south, rich in the North.

            turn on the brain (if any)?
            The people of the southern countries are lazy: the stick is not what you thought, but stick the stick in the ground-tree, with fruits ..
            Palm is grass = 2 years, pick dates or palm oil.
            And the northern peoples must "dodge" ...
            But that was before Hi-Tec. Another reality, another world
          2. Zefr
            Zefr 6 February 2016 22: 30
            +1
            The cost of a condo cannot be higher. Conde is a heat pump, its efficiency is higher than that of an electric heater, and the temperature difference for kondeya is much less. To do this, you need to compare the same volumes.
            If you just compare the houses, and they are slightly different in volume, we and they may have their condo and comparable to our heating, but the problem of different levels of consumption becomes obvious.
          3. Prophetic
            Prophetic 7 February 2016 23: 39
            0
            Quote: Pissarro
            In general, about this dependence on energy consumption from latitude, this is nonsense.
            Delirium, dear, you write. Parshev never spoke about the dependence of energy consumption on latitude. You just don't know. There is a climatic optimum in which life is most comfortable. And it's stupid to argue with that. So deviation from this optimum ON ANY SIDE, both in "+" and in "-", worsens life, increases the cost of production. Living in the Sahara is as difficult as it is in the tundra. Nothing grows in ice or on a hot frying pan. So Europe and the United States are in this very climatic optimum, while Russia is not. In fact, Parshev wrote about this.
      12. alex_V15
        alex_V15 6 February 2016 19: 20
        0
        And they were deprived of the opportunity to do really productive work!
        And weaned. As a result ...
        And all the systems of our development of selection and training are not allowed before use.
        However, the matter is quite fixable. Little by little, one by one the figures "go bankrupt" and go "into the scrap".
      13. Prophetic
        Prophetic 7 February 2016 22: 18
        0
        Quote: Al_oriso
        As a result of their labor, none of them gives rise to anything new, no new real benefits. ... the state is forced to bear the costs of maintaining these people - at the expense of the state budget, thus losing its development potential

        So what? Should the state not contain these people? Military, police, doctors, teachers, officials, writers, journalists, athletes, firefighters, etc. etc. - they also do not produce new real goods. Shall we not pay them a salary? In the so-called "developed" countries, 80% of the population is employed in services. They don't produce anything new. Are the bourgeois stupid? Do they need to kick everyone out into the street?
        Quote: Al_oriso
        You can cope with any costs and minimize costs.
        NOT! That's just the point, that not with any. And Parshev proved it perfectly. The climatic factor cannot be removed. And he is still not enough, in my opinion, drew attention to the fact that the harsh climate not only increases the cost of any product, but also leads to a low population density. And this leads to a decrease in purchasing power, to the fact that many projects in many industries, profitable eg in Europe, are not profitable in Russia. Roads, for example, are longer between cities in Russia, and fewer people ride. And this people is poorer. Therefore, roads are mostly unprofitable. This means that the obligation to create and maintain these roads will always lie mostly with the state. And so in everything. Expensive transportation. More cost. More energy costs per unit of output. The climatic factor dooms Russia to the fact that the role of the state, ceteris paribus, will always be higher than in other countries. And this also draws a political factor.
        Is it possible to make our life richer? Optimize? Undoubtedly. And this must be dealt with. But as rich as in Europe, she will never NEVER. Just put up with it and remember that it’s not with bread alone ...
    2. Aleksander
      Aleksander 5 February 2016 06: 49
      24
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      A strange question, because there is NO such thing anymore!


      Because Russia is the whole world, this is a separate self-sufficient beautiful planetif I may say so. If the rest of the world suddenly disappears-Russia will be able to live and develop always-it has- EVERYTHING!
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 5 February 2016 08: 13
        -4
        In the Russian export of oil in one of the last places
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 5 February 2016 08: 22
          0
          Quote: Scraptor
          In the Russian export of oil in one of the last places

          today, yes...
        2. Mart
          Mart 5 February 2016 08: 49
          11
          Quote: Scraptor
          In the Russian export of oil in one of the last places

          Here are the statistics: http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/b04_03/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d06/8.htm (January-November 2015). See section 2 Export of Essential Commodities. Fuel and energy products,% of the total: 63,8. Of these, crude oil - 26,5%. Gas, for example, is 12,2%. Now explain how "oil is in one of the last places" in Russian exports.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 5 February 2016 09: 10
            +3
            Quote: Mart
            Now explain how "oil is in one of the last places" in Russian exports.

            because the deputy of the fedors is broadcasting him on TV, but here he has nothing to think about, but press the buttons on the computer laughing
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 5 February 2016 09: 16
              0
              Why do you think that they write the truth there? laughing You can compare with the export of the USSR (if you find).

              "Field of Miracles", damn it ...
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          3. alicante11
            alicante11 5 February 2016 13: 19
            +1
            Fuel and energy products,% of total: 63,8. Of these, crude oil is 26,5%. Gas, for example, is 12,2%.


            The plate is interesting, along the way, such as those with which our college supplies the head university. Like, you don’t have any money left, and in general you are all parasites.
            So I think and it turns out that "oil + gas" = 38,7%. Where did the rest of the "fuel and energy products" go? Whole 25,1%. And in general, the total percentage is not 100% at all, but 88 with a tail.
            1. opus
              opus 5 February 2016 14: 22
              +1
              Quote: alicante11
              Where did the rest of the "fuel and energy products" go?

              Everything here (download exel or pdf files):
              1.Export


              2.Import


              3. This


              FCS makes no sense to lie (yes and she cannot): excise taxes, mineral extraction tax, duties, VAT, commodity flows -> plan = premiums or by cap
        3. lame
          lame 5 February 2016 09: 07
          0
          Quote: Scraptor
          In the Russian export of oil in one of the last places

          You tell the ruble-dollar exchange rate.
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 5 February 2016 09: 17
            0
            And who draws it to you ?! what

            that oil rises in price - petrol rises in price, and oil rises in price - gasoline rises again ...
            1. 16112014nk
              16112014nk 5 February 2016 11: 40
              10
              1. Oil rises in price - gasoline rises in price.
              2. Oil is getting cheaper - gas is getting more expensive so that oil companies compensate for losses.
              3. Oil at the same price - gasoline rises in price because of inflation.
              And in the end, prices do not fall, because, as one of the FAS leaders said, we cannot break the established price order! In how it turns out! All over the world they can break, but here we have it! And then homegrown bourgeois will suffer losses, such as Galitsky, in whose stores retired women are brought to death.
              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 5 February 2016 12: 24
                -1
                2. nonsense is rare, and contrary to the laws of (supposedly) market pricing ....

                and under Stalin they fell for some reason laughing

                Whoever draws the course? How does the "market charge" in small print 100 per exchange? lol
              2. Eulogius
                Eulogius 5 February 2016 15: 25
                +3
                I fully support you, except for the last phrase, since most of the Magnit stores operate under a franchise, and, in addition, Galitsky's Magnet is the ONLY one of the chain stores that is registered in Russia and taxes remain here, and do not go to the West adversary. In our time, he (Galitsky) for this respect and respect.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 5 February 2016 13: 30
            +1
            You tell the ruble-dollar exchange rate.


            No problem. We open Yandex quotes and look.
            27.01 oil + 5,32%, bucks + 4,04 rubles;
            30.01 oil 0%, bucks -2,5 rubles;

            The ruble exchange rate is affected by a bunch of points. But the strategic situation is controlled by the Central Bank. And the weakening of the ruble in the long run is the Central Bank’s policy to preserve gold reserves and to be able to fulfill social obligations.
      2. ilyinval61
        ilyinval61 5 February 2016 10: 48
        +3
        Yes it is! Energy + Nature + Almost the entire periodic table + Talented and hardworking people + And in this people there are enough brilliant and patriotic active personalities +. But insatiable thieves at all levels, chaos, Anglo-Saxon traitors slobber -----
    3. Dart weyder
      Dart weyder 5 February 2016 08: 38
      44
      Yes, Mlyn - got it with this climate - the roads in Russia are bad due to the harsh climate, once someone responsible for the roads said .... Mlyn has lived in Canada for more than 6 years, sometimes in winter it can reach -50, the norm is in winter 30 (+/- 5С) - damn roads are normal, because they don’t steal, the plant is small (elevator) in a clean field without fences (there is a gate and a lock for fear that hangs and it doesn’t work, but there is no fence) there is no protection for weekends or holidays no one, no signaling - for 6 years not a single theft !!!! a wall with a metal profile and a heater on a metal frame, air heating and not steam and batteries — oil is also extracted here not in resort conditions — simply, even if you steal a lot of things, there’s nowhere to sell — no one will illegally buy without documents — because they will punish them later so when caught, that little will not seem, and a bribe will not help. that’s the whole problem - corruption and the outflow of capital abroad, it’s not necessary to punish for embezzlement and fraud - but to punish with confiscation, and to check relatives - if they do not live by income - to confiscate - that’s where the order can be, and references to the climate are all nonsense.
      1. Fin
        Fin 5 February 2016 10: 24
        +2
        Quote: Dart Weyder
        Yes, Mlyn - got it with this climate - the roads in Russia are bad due to the harsh climate,

        In the Murmansk region and Karelia, normal roads.
        1. Eulogius
          Eulogius 5 February 2016 15: 29
          +3
          And not only there.
          THERE, where the head of the region thinks about people, and not about his pocket, the roads are always good.
          1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
            Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 February 2016 16: 52
            +3
            Yes, it's all about the climate. Here in Rostov the climate is more severe than in the Krasnodar Territory. You go from Azov to Anapa (on M4), while you are driving along the Rostov region, roads are broken, you reach the Krasnodar Territory, the road immediately becomes normal. Climate, no arguing against him. lol
            1. Egevich
              Egevich 5 February 2016 23: 42
              0
              Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
              Yes, it's all about the climate. Here in Rostov the climate is more severe than in the Krasnodar Territory. You go from Azov to Anapa (on M4), while you are driving along the Rostov region, roads are broken, you reach the Krasnodar Territory, the road immediately becomes normal. Climate, no arguing against him. lol

              you know, I would argue with you about climate ... rather, in Krasnodar the climate is harsher because they provide social housing, and in Rostov-on-Don, for example, in the Proletarsky district, in 2015 there is none at all ... for sure I tell you - in Rostov-on-Don it is warmer, and significantly
      2. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 5 February 2016 11: 45
        +4
        Quote: Dart Weyder
        capital outflow abroad

        the first of the problems. Almost unregulated movement of foreign currency across the border and within the country. Buying a dollar, we essentially push the ruble down ourselves (demand increases the price) In fact, everything we earn is flowing out of the country, stimulating a foreign economy.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 5 February 2016 13: 37
          +3
          Buying with the dollar, we essentially push the ruble down ourselves (demand increases the price)


          That's exactly what "WE" is. And the Central Bank, LADIES, GDP, etc. are to blame.
          Who besieged the currency traders in November 14? Nabiullina? Who pulls up prices for domestic goods to import? DAM, or uncle Vasya, who then at the VO forum will sew the government with sewage, having previously exchanged the profit from raising the price of his meat for bucks.
      3. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 12: 28
        +3
        Quote: Dart Weyder
        Roads in Russia are bad due to the harsh climate, once said someone responsible for the roads .... Mlyn I have been living in Canada for more than 6 years, sometimes in winter it can sometimes reach -50, the norm in winter is 30 (+/- 5C) - roads damn normal

        Roads (in the issue under discussion) are influenced by:
        1. The number of differences through zero — here we sometimes have several times a day, and you have minus 30?
        2. Traffic load - you have a lot where "minus 30" people live and drive cars.
        3. Reagents - as far as I know in Canada they don’t clean the snow, but they roll it away.
      4. Fat
        Fat 5 February 2016 13: 07
        0
        Quote: Dart Weyder
        , that’s the whole problem - corruption and the outflow of capital abroad, it’s not necessary to punish for embezzlement and fraud - but to punish with confiscation, and to check relatives - if they don’t live by income - to confiscate - then there will be order, and references to the climate - it's all rubbish.

        Everything is correct, those who steal always find excuses and objective reasons, those who work honestly find opportunities for normal activity ...
      5. Prophetic
        Prophetic 7 February 2016 23: 12
        0
        Quote: Dart Weyder
        it is necessary not to punish for embezzlement and fraud - but to punish with confiscation, and to check relatives - if they do not live by income - to confiscate - then the order may be
        I completely agree with this.
        Quote: Dart Weyder
        and climate references are all rubbish.
        But with this, no. Canada is the 2 country in terms of area, and the 38 country in terms of population. An accident? No, of course. And the reason is climate. Canada will never be the United States.
        By the way, Russia is only 70% more than Canada, and 60% of our territory is permafrost, and the people here live in 4,5 more than in Canada. And everyone needs to be supported. And this is also not an accident ...
    4. Nitarius
      Nitarius 5 February 2016 08: 42
      21
      I’ll even say more)) An acquaintance married a Brazilian .. and from there she said that we are angry and gloomy! But the question is why ... She laughed for a long time! (She certainly betrayed her country long ago)
      But in the discussion it turned out .. that what they do all day .. we need 2 hours. And that they have SIESTA .. then we don’t have this! us to survive .. we have to harvest firewood, food and so on. We have no time to sit .. constantly have to come up with something to facilitate our harsh life!
      Bottom line: in order for us to capture any country .. we need a little bit)) for 2 hours DAY))) fight with them in their lunch!
      They are very slow and slow due to too good living conditions!
      so that . BETTER START DO NOT ANGER THEY US!
      1. lame
        lame 5 February 2016 09: 10
        +2
        Quote: Nitarius
        But in the discussion it turned out .. that what they do all day .. we need 2 hours.

        But putriots like to speculate on the topic "we need to work better." It turns out that we are already working, where is it better?
        1. Slobber
          Slobber 5 February 2016 10: 29
          +2
          But the putriots love to reason

          Well, that's why they are putriots, to reason and be the first to shout "stop the thief."
        2. nemec55
          nemec55 5 February 2016 12: 20
          +2
          But putriots like to speculate on the topic "we need to work better." It turns out that we are already working, where is it better?

          Do not confuse the concept of working better and working efficiently. I saw a lot of enterprises when employees stupidly smoke all day and sit on social networks and get a stable salary. That's in such state. organizations need an effective pindule distributor so that the work is not the best but effective. When I sleep at work, I also work well hi
      2. Volzhanin
        Volzhanin 5 February 2016 09: 55
        +7
        Well so hot there, move lazily. In Samara, the heat under 40 in the summer for several weeks happens sometimes. I confidently declare that during this period business activity noticeably freezes. smile
        1. Fat
          Fat 5 February 2016 13: 21
          0
          Quote: Volzhanin
          Well so hot there, move lazily. In Samara, the heat under 40 in the summer for several weeks happens sometimes. I confidently declare that during this period business activity noticeably freezes. smile

          This is because lazy and ... greedy. laughing "Climate control", ie the air conditioner was not invented yesterday ...
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 5 February 2016 13: 39
          0
          In Samara, the heat under 40 in the summer for several weeks sometimes happens. I confidently declare that during this period business activity noticeably freezes. smile


          Nude Nude. Especially if the delay in the contract threatens forfeit ...
    5. marlin1203
      marlin1203 5 February 2016 09: 15
      -8
      Bredyatina. Our European part is essentially at the same latitude as Europe. Only there is no golfstream. Scandinavian countries, Great Britain normally exist on the breadth of our Karelia. Our climate is harsher, but the middle zone of Russia is farther south, and these main populated areas are quite economically comparable with Europe.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 5 February 2016 11: 09
        +7
        Quote: marlin1203
        Our climate is tougher, but the middle zone of Russia and to the south,

        laughing In the middle lane — let’s say the Volga take it from left to right — in winter there are frosts down to -40 and sometimes a meter and a half of snow falls, in the UK there wasn’t so much snow in life, and the one that rarely falls quickly melts.
        Karelia - The thickness of the snow cover is from one and a half to two and a half meters depending on the month, while the snow can fall without ceasing for several days - it does not melt until spring.
        The average annual temperature in the same Britain is +10 degrees. (winter max - 19 degrees)
        The average annual in Karelia is +3,5 degrees. (winter max. -54 city in 1940)
        The annual average in Western Siberia (and Figli is almost the same latitude) is -5 degrees. (winter max. -77 deg. in 1938, in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug in the city of Kogalym in 2000 - 2011 it was up to -55)
        So latitude - latitude strife - does not need to be equated together.
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 5 February 2016 12: 22
          0
          Look at the map with population density and understand everything. And where the cold shift workers work. Indeed, on average it is colder here, but it is not at all fatal for the economy. And offshore drilling, including in the north, is far from our practice.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 5 February 2016 13: 49
            +4
            Quote: marlin1203
            Look at the map with population density and understand everything. And where the cold shift workers work. Indeed, on average it is colder here, but it is not at all fatal for the economy. And offshore drilling, including in the north, is far from our practice.

            It is impossible to do all the work in the north on a shift, on offshore drilling platforms it is easy, everything is compact, but on the mainland there is a more complex infrastructure network, it is very difficult to implement several tens of thousands of people every month two three back there, plus specialists recruit twice as many for many engineering positions.
          2. Zefr
            Zefr 6 February 2016 22: 46
            0
            A nitsche so that the shift is very expensive?
        2. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 12: 31
          +2
          Quote: Corsair
          So latitude - latitude strife - does not need to be equated together.

          Namely, in addition to latitude, "currents" and distance from them are still important. hi
        3. kubilau
          kubilau 5 February 2016 22: 09
          +2
          Worse when frost without snow, which often happens in the Samara region. I read in the old directory of the agronomist (there was an agricultural technical school in the village) that the Volga region is a risky farming zone.
    6. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 5 February 2016 10: 58
      +2
      "Of all 297 countries, Russia unconditionally comes out on top in terms of the severity of the climate."
      Olepatka? Total countries: 197 - recognized countries, 193 - UN member countries
    7. Cruor vult
      Cruor vult 5 February 2016 17: 45
      +3
      Hardening is good, but one hardening will not go far. Everything needs its own production, in the Second World War it was also indicative.
      There is a correct thought here - we need not to integrate, but to do what is not abroad. Then they themselves will come, they will give everything and they will kiss in the ass to bloody corns.
    8. Spnsr
      Spnsr 5 February 2016 22: 49
      +1
      wink
      Of all 297 countries, Russia unquestionably comes first in terms of climate severity

      the correct interpretation sounds: Of all 297 countries, Russia by its severity unconditionally takes the first place
    9. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 5 February 2016 23: 44
      +1
      Those who believe in "Parshev's loop" can put the loop on themselves. This is simply one of the factors, as Parshev himself correctly wrote: "Why Russia is not America." He himself did not understand why ?!
  2. Korsar4
    Korsar4 5 February 2016 06: 16
    22
    An interesting book by Parshev. But the conclusions are not always unambiguous. Yes, the climate. Yes, the costs are greater. But refuse from deep processing, given these costs.

    With which we can agree: the more we open up to the Western world, the faster we begin to digest.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 5 February 2016 06: 42
      +1
      Quote: Korsar4
      Yes, the costs are greater.


      So some costs are more, but others are less.
      1. Dewa1s
        Dewa1s 5 February 2016 08: 32
        0
        others are what?
        1. Fat
          Fat 5 February 2016 13: 31
          0
          Quote: Dewa1s
          others are what?

          In technologies where cryogenics is needed, we win ... At least, for simplicity, the same dumplings should be frozen ... laughing fellow
      2. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 5 February 2016 08: 39
        12
        In order to introduce technologies, it is necessary to remove from these sectors leaders like Chubais - Serdyukov, those who sell discoveries and promising young scientists, who sabotage the application of these discoveries in industry, etc., namely, they discuss and often participate in cutting public funds and openly they steal and "work" in the government and tirelessly fight corruption.
    2. kit_bellew
      kit_bellew 5 February 2016 08: 37
      16
      I remember that Parshev's "high costs" argument was primarily against joining the WTO. As an explanation of the reasons for non-competitiveness in the global market for domestic consumer goods. We will not talk about quality now, especially since the label "Made in China" has long and firmly been associated with the simple and understandable word "shaise". The bottom line is that if a thousand tons of plastic transformers are produced in Russia for children from 3 to 5 years old, then their cost will be several times higher than the same thousand tons purchased in the same China and distributed among our stores, taking into account all duties and transportation costs.
      But just about the deep processing of a single bad word there, I remember, is not said. Quite the contrary, the author, if my memory serves me, advocates the production of as high-tech products as possible for export: weapons, peaceful atoms, airplanes, cosmo and holes and dust :)
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 5 February 2016 08: 56
        +7
        So it was. Only this part of Parshev’s work is critically lowered by his critics, and they argue only with the climate.
      2. lame
        lame 5 February 2016 09: 13
        +4
        Quote: kit_bellew
        Quite the contrary, the author, if my memory serves me, advocates the production of as high-tech products as possible for export: weapons, peaceful atoms, airplanes, cosmo and holes and dust :)

        It is absolutely true to produce products of an ever higher redistribution.
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 5 February 2016 13: 27
          +6
          And for this we need the production of means of production, which no one will invest from abroad. Their investment in production is not profitable due to the high bank interest. The government came up with the only way to support production - state-owned corporations, but this is a socialist economy, which we have been leaving for several decades, but which is the only one working in the current conditions. Conclusion: we must abandon the economic system imposed on us and introduce our own. And along the way, return the education system, social institutions, etc.
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 5 February 2016 06: 19
    16
    Why Russia is unique
    We live in the best country in the world, and all other countries envy us! (with)yes
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 5 February 2016 08: 55
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      We live in the best country in the world, and all other countries envy us!

      After the article, it somehow felt better - the climate is to blame, but we are not reasonable to roll a barrel (without oil) on Putin and Medvedev ...)))
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 5 February 2016 09: 29
        +3
        This is necessary and say ukram. And then they all nod to Putin. Let everything be attributed to our climate. And Putin is not to blame for anything! request :)
        1. nazar_0753
          nazar_0753 5 February 2016 14: 17
          +2
          What is it getting? Isn't Putin to blame for the climate?)
          1. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 7 February 2016 09: 31
            0
            Quote: nazar_0753
            Isn't Putin to blame for the climate?)

            It’s a pity that he doesn’t have enough for everything, he could have paid attention to global warming earlier. We had an anomaly in Skolsky for eight years, they put a Christmas tree, but there is no snow !!! Today's winter is the first with normal winters (snow and frost). Thanks to Vladimir Putin for our snowy winter !!!
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  4. izya top
    izya top 5 February 2016 06: 22
    20
    We must find our recipe for survival in this world.
    own production from A to Z
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 5 February 2016 06: 54
      18
      Quote: izya top
      own production from A to Z

      You will laugh, but this is how industry was built in the USSR, it was bought what they did not have time to do themselves, and if they didn’t sell, then they did it themselves. And where are these manufactures of machine-tool equipment, gas production equipment, electronics components for space technology and others?
      From scratch, creating is always harder, especially in the current conditions.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 5 February 2016 08: 04
        +1
        The whole question is to whom to sell.
        Well, you build a factory. By production ... figurines. But these figures have long been produced by China.
        1. Dewa1s
          Dewa1s 5 February 2016 08: 36
          +6
          Moreover, it produces three times cheaper and twice as high quality, because the whole world already buys from it and stamping is carried out in million batches, nullifying the time of depreciation of the most expensive equipment.
          But no, you give production from A to Z so that at each stage the costs are maximum. Let's create the second AvtoVAZ!
          1. Mr. Pip
            Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 12: 34
            0
            Quote: Dewa1s
            But no, you give production from A to Z so that at each stage the costs are maximum.

            Yes. Even pineapples will be ours, in greenhouses beyond the Arctic Circle - to envy the whole world! laughing
        2. gray smeet
          gray smeet 5 February 2016 08: 53
          0
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          The whole question is to whom to sell.


          Correctly asked question. Smart economic books say that for a confidently developing, self-sufficient economy, you need at least 250 million. residents (consumers). Take the USSR - it was approximately 240 million, take the USA -250 million. residents. The EU did not appear by chance to unite the market .. Well, we are not talking about China ... Latin America has plans to unite - and for these purposes there is a huge market for selling products.

          In fact, we are trying to unite with Belarus and Kazakhstan (Ukraine (at one time) could significantly supplement this drawback), and now it is still far from 250 million consumers ... Economy however!
          1. lame
            lame 5 February 2016 09: 17
            +3
            Quote: gray smeet
            Take the USA -250mln. residents.

            The US population currently has about 320 million people. In Soviet times, the US population lagged behind Soviet millions by 20.
            1. Egevich
              Egevich 5 February 2016 23: 47
              +1
              Quote: halt
              Quote: gray smeet
              Take the USA -250mln. residents.

              The US population currently has about 320 million people. In Soviet times, the US population lagged behind Soviet millions by 20.

              Duc etched us a lot ... and continue to poison us in all available ways ...
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 5 February 2016 13: 44
            0
            Correctly asked question. Smart economic books say that for a confidently developing, self-sufficient economy, you need at least 250mln. residents (consumers).


            And what, China is a self-sufficient consumer country, and not a global factory, where 1,5 billion gavrikov work for 500-600 million "white people" in Europe and the USA?
            The issue is not the total population, but its solvency.
            1. gray smeet
              gray smeet 5 February 2016 14: 29
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              Correctly asked question. Smart economic books say that for a confidently developing, self-sufficient economy, you need at least 250mln. residents (consumers).


              And what, China is a self-sufficient consumer country, and not a global factory, where 1,5 billion gavrikov work for 500-600 million "white people" in Europe and the USA?
              The issue is not the total population, but its solvency.


              Well, firstly, China (the first or second place in terms of economic indicators is a poor performance?) Is trying to switch to the domestic market, increase domestic consumption, and they are not bad at it and a large number of citizens are very solvent (look at least for tourists walking around to the world), another thing is that there are already very many people in China ..
              And why did the USSR make CMEA in due time? Not for a guaranteed increase in the sales market, with all that it implies? And why does America want so much to crush Europe with the initiative of Euro-Atlantic economic integration? Or the Asia-Pacific economy. integration?
              1. gray smeet
                gray smeet 5 February 2016 14: 51
                -1
                Quote: alicante11
                Correctly asked question. Smart economic books say that for a confidently developing, self-sufficient economy, you need at least 250mln. residents (consumers).



                The issue is not the total population, but its solvency.


                Remember the solvency of our citizens in the 90s, the Chinese gave us all cheap pennies and made their millions, at the same time they delivered wonderful goods to the USA and also made money! They found, in us, their sales market - and what is appealing - it continues to this day ....
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 6 February 2016 08: 43
                  0
                  Remember the solvency of our citizens in the 90-ies, the Chinese gave us every penny gumno and made their millions,


                  Have you not seen how, in the late 80s and early 90s, the Chinese bought good-quality Soviet overcoats at DAV? And my father, on a trip to China (in 93, I think) sold his old aircraft. And I was able to stock up on them with a bunch of all sorts of garbage, including leather jackets for myself and for me and a fur coat for my mother. That is, what I mean, what they "produced" there, it cost - a penny, because it was - guano. Therefore, ours could buy, but therefore it was not realistic to save "millions" on this.

                  China rose not in shuttles, it was simply self-employment in border regions, but in large enterprises that drove relatively expensive goods to the United States and Europe.
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 6 February 2016 08: 33
                0
                Well, firstly, China (the first or second place in terms of economic indicators - are these poor indicators?)


                For domestic consumption - bad. Because you need five times more with the current population ratio. Otherwise, who in China will consume those expensive and unnecessary stray that Americans buy?

                and they’re not doing badly and a large number of citizens are very solvent (look at least for tourists walking around the world)


                This is a very VERY large percentage of 1,5 billion.

                And why did the USSR make CMEA in due time?


                To ensure the economic stability of the Warsaw Treaty and the Communist Parties of Eastern Europe. If you remember, then in the 30s the USSR, without any CMEA, "muddied" such industrialization, to which the Chinese are like cancer to the moon.

                And why does America want so much to crush Europe with the initiative of Euro-Atlantic economic integration? Or the Asia-Pacific economy. integration?


                To provide the economic foundation of political power over the world and promote their transnational corporations to new markets.
        3. Volzhanin
          Volzhanin 5 February 2016 10: 02
          +3
          So let them produce figures, but we must produce, for example, submarines that move under water at a speed of 200 km / h at a depth of up to 1000 m, absolutely silent with autonomy of up to 3 years and with weapons that can multiply the entire ugly by zero in 10 seconds! Etc. etc.
          smile
        4. Corsair
          Corsair 5 February 2016 11: 17
          +2
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          Well, you build a factory. By production ... figurines. But these figures have long been produced by China.

          request So the whole topic is just that it is not necessary to build factories for the production of figurines, but to launch high-tech production, satellites, equipment, high-octane gasoline, furniture in the end is normal, and I did not import timber from the mound after selling it.
          Really our can’t make high-precision machining machines and launch the series into production, if it is so difficult from scratch or old technologies - so steal the technology and bring it to mind to the best of your specificity.
        5. alicante11
          alicante11 5 February 2016 13: 42
          +2
          Well, you build a factory. By production ... figurines. But these figures have long been produced by China.


          In this case, there are barrage duties. But with globalization this is not so. Whereas with an autonomous economy, as it was in the USSR, it is quite possible.
          1. Mr. Pip
            Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 13: 48
            +3
            Quote: alicante11
            Whereas with an autonomous economy, as it was in the USSR, it is quite possible.

            The point is not that it is possible, the point is - is it necessary ?!
            Well, you will spend a billion on organizing the production of "figurines" - but wouldn't it be more logical to buy these same "figurines" from China for 100 million and spend the remaining 900 million not on "figurines" but on something really useful and profitable? request
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 5 February 2016 14: 18
              +1
              Well, you will spend a billion on organizing the production of "figurines" - but isn't it more logical to buy these "figurines" from China for 100 million and spend the remaining 900 million not on "figurines" but on something really useful and profitable? request


              And then China will impose sanctions on us and stop selling "figurines", or will raise the price on them once or twice. And what will we do without the "figurines"? It's good if "figurines" are understood as, say, plastic toy cars for children. And if children's clothes?
              1. Mr. Pip
                Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 14: 42
                +2
                Quote: alicante11
                And then China will impose sanctions on us and stop selling "figurines"

                1. Why would he impose sanctions?
                2. Again, why should he do this if a blow to the demand market automatically hits his own production and budget (we do not take Europe into account, they have no dependence on their production, and indeed they are sick wassat )
                3. You can always buy in Vietnam or elsewhere fellow
                Quote: alicante11
                And what if children's clothes?

                Well, they don’t die from this. fellow
                Yes, and in the USSR, by the way, I was small and wore clothes of my older brother, including shoes - and we just had "production from A to Z" then, but we are wearing things for some reason not today request
                1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                  Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 February 2016 17: 07
                  +1
                  And if I have an older sister - what should I wear dresses for her? And your elder brother was carrying clothes for whom? And if I have three daughters, the youngest should wear twice-worn clothes? Can you imagine what these clothes look like?
                  oh *** it's easy!
                  1. Mr. Pip
                    Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 17: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
                    Can you imagine what these clothes look like?
                    oh *** it's easy!

                    And what have I to do with it, if so many people went to the USSR? Initially, we look at the course of the discussion and catch the main idea stop
                    1. jPilot
                      jPilot 5 February 2016 20: 13
                      +2
                      The most interesting thing is that nothing has changed now, the younger ones are still carrying over the older ones, and why not if the thing is good and well preserved. Yes, and children are different, after some it is already impossible to wear anything and after others it can still be worn. So this is not an example.
                      By the way, what is the planned economy that did not please you? He was at the factory at Robinson (Los Angeles), so there the planned production in all its glory is used in full swing.
                      It is arguable that much in the USSR had to be changed, the machine must be reconfigured, BUT! at the levers, as always, were not those people, but the most regrettable is that these people continue to remain there .....
                  2. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 7 February 2016 09: 36
                    0
                    I don’t know about you, but my granddaughter grew out of clothes in four months, although they bought with a "stock", now she is 9 years old, and she almost equaled her grandmother's height.
                2. alicante11
                  alicante11 6 February 2016 08: 21
                  0
                  1. Why would he impose sanctions?


                  And why do amers need sanctions?

                  3. You can always buy in Vietnam or elsewhere.


                  Yeah, you could take loans in the USA or in Europe. And when the sanctions were imposed, even in China, it doesn’t work out very well.

                  Well, fellow doesn’t die from this.


                  They don’t die, but they can afford it VERY hard. And if there is still a shortage, what will we put on children?

                  And by the way, I was a little in the USSR and I wore the clothes of my older brother, including shoes


                  And where to get something for the elder, if we don’t have it and it’s not allowed to buy for a hedgehog?
      2. lame
        lame 5 February 2016 09: 15
        +3
        Quote: inkass_98
        You will laugh, but this is how industry was built in the USSR, it was bought what they did not have time to do themselves, and if they didn’t sell, then they did it themselves. And where are these manufactures of machine-tool equipment, gas production equipment, electronics components for space technology and others?
        From scratch, creating is always harder, especially in the current conditions.

        Whoa, and who brought everything that was before 1991 to zero now?
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 5 February 2016 09: 50
          +3
          Quote: halt
          Whoa, and who brought everything that was before 1991 to zero now?

          Who, who - American imperialism and the Zionists are to blame ..
      3. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 5 February 2016 09: 38
        +7
        in this sometimes there were schools. They did what was done a long time ago (more technologically and efficiently). They assembled machines and combines, which were then bought from us as scrap for remelting. Again about the machines, yes they did, yes there were - but! labor costs for manufacturing products on them were not always acceptable.
        I am not saying that this should be abandoned. Here we need a sound approach - like the Chinese: where they have a backlog - you need to buy the best foreign sample - disassemble to the screw, understand how it works and assemble even better. Otherwise, the gap will never be overcome. This is if you have the approach of a statesman. And if you have the approach of a person serving the interests of TNCs, then of course it is easier to say that no country can produce everything and the division of production is right.
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    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 February 2016 06: 56
      +7
      Quote: iza top
      We must find our recipe for survival in this world.
      own production from A to Z

      not only production, the state should be socially oriented, which is not yet visible, one chatter, today I received payment at the apartment, again a thousand more for heat, already exceeded 5 tons, and how much more I pay for everything ... under 9 tons. belay optimism is rushing ...
      1. izya top
        izya top 5 February 2016 07: 02
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        the state should be socially oriented

        so it’s all that gives production. jobs — hence taxes, pensions and other social budget items, education — skilled workers and engineering-deadlock cadres ...
        and so on all counts
      2. jPilot
        jPilot 5 February 2016 08: 36
        +6
        So was the state more or less socially oriented, say what it was called !? Well, the USSR !? BUT the "little people" were led to chewing gum, beautiful rags, etc. etc. lit Derzhava like the Papuans on "glass beads". They broke, plundered, plundered with their own hands what was created by the ancestors inspired by the idea of ​​a bright future. And now excuse me for jo..e tearing hair, with the understanding that EVERYTHING WAS.
        Yes, what can I say, here on the forum are full of people who still curse and blame the Soviet system. And the most interesting thing is the hypocrite that someone there is to blame, and not the people living in the country themselves. After all, that then, that now ALL officials have left the people, it means the people themselves are to blame.
        And I do not agree with the article in terms of production, well, it’s a little more complicated for us, but we can create high-quality products. And agriculture !!! Yes, we with our fields, which for the most part are abandoned after the collapse of the USSR (I fly almost all over Russia, they are not just a lot of their DOH ... RA, and to be more exact the majority) we can feed the whole world with bread.
        And all that is needed is the OWNER who cares for the country. Foreign policy is certainly good, but people should also be full, dressed and warmed ...
        1. Erg
          Erg 5 February 2016 09: 40
          +2
          Perfectly in the hole. Many "correct" questions are raised here, how to raise the country. But it is surprising that smart, seemingly, people do not understand the futility of these attempts, they do not see the reasons hindering this. The main problem is the people. After all, they really sold the country for "beads" ... And now we continue to do so. The situation, of course, has improved, but we owe this to only one thing - the individual. Leader. This is where I see the only way of salvation for Russia. We showed what we stand without a leader and a national idea in the 90s ... hi
        2. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 12: 36
          0
          Quote: jPilot
          And the most interesting thing is the hypocrite that someone there is to blame, and not the people living in the country themselves.

          Your logic is very strange.
          If according to your logic people themselves all and collapsed, why is it your logic all it was good if it didn’t suit everyone request
          1. jPilot
            jPilot 5 February 2016 14: 42
            +1
            Name you exactly those who, in my opinion, are the direct participants in the beginning of the collapse. Yes, easy: MOSCOWITCHES !!! They were the ones who perched the EBN's "armored car", and you know from whose submission. There were also foreign "engines" of this process, and the whole country was watching TV and did not understand what was happening. Or to remind you what actually was the total referendum on the preservation of the USSR! That's what it is, by the way, silence on the part of the masses can also be considered a betrayal ...
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 15: 05
              0
              Quote: jPilot
              To tell you exactly those who, in my opinion, are direct participants in the beginning of the collapse. Yes easy: MUSCOVITES !!!

              Well, partly all is true! hi But why?
              Yes, because one of the minuses of a planned economy (I will not deny the pluses) is that the richer the society, the less the manufacturer understands and meets its demand and needs.
              That is why, with the growth of the level of education, economy and production, the consumer (that is, the citizen) liked the "goods" of this very production less and less - this is one of the reasons for the crisis, and that is why it was felt most strongly in the largest cities where people were richer and more demanding fellow
      3. KKND
        KKND 5 February 2016 17: 34
        0
        What are you snickering about?
        console yourself with the slogan "As long as the Russian soldier has matches, salt and cheto there still ...",
        which you once posted and got a bunch of likes.
        Z.Y. This is me, Andrei Yuryevich
    3. Kite
      Kite 5 February 2016 12: 34
      +1
      Quote: izya top
      own production from A to Z

      - you yourself were not surprised at such a simple answer?
      below:
      Quote: inkass_98
      You will laugh, but this is how industry was built in the USSR, it was purchased that did not have time to do it yourself ....

      - "to buy what, you need to sell what you don't need"
      If everything yourself "from A to Z", then answer yourself to what letter of the alphabet you could do what, but you are not sure that you can sell it. For example, buying a sewing machine and starting to "rivet" and sell children's pants to neighbors - A. If for a thousand bolts you buy a lathe, then your bolts are very specific, probably. If you are thinking about buying a modern machine for the manufacture of fasteners, then first of all you will inquire about the possibility of trading fasteners outside your own market - the example of China (by the way, faced with a crisis with an export-oriented economy and with a huge potential of the internal market. Their domestic consumers are 140 billion and we are only XNUMX million).
      About products of high added value - we sell weapons a little less than the first in this business, we build nuclear plants over the hill, in space our equipment (or raised with our help) - and even small Wishlist do not have enough income from this.
      China has seized industrial leadership from the states. The states are in crisis, but China did not rejoice in growth for long. Is the recipe so simple?
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 5 February 2016 15: 51
        +2
        Quote: Kite
        ... So is the recipe simple?


        Yes, in fact, the recipe is not entirely complicated. We have an interesting situation when the illiterate performers of another’s will are put at the head of various industries that form the backbone of the power’s economy. That will, which will prevent investment in modernization and fixed assets. It turns out that the economy is loaded with ballast from unnecessary leadership and inefficient use of financial flows ...

        In industry, as in any other field, it is necessary to do what is beneficial primarily for the country, for its citizens. And all the economic laws of development, invented only to obtain superprofits of their air, do not suit us in real life.
        We can make weapons, planes, spaceships - let's do it, and direct the funds to development.

        I do not believe that our bolts manufactured in our country are less in demand in our own industry. I don’t understand why it is not obvious that the desire for foreign exchange transactions brought to the absurd almost all sectors of our economic economy ...

        Let there be only a little more than 146 million people, the main thing for our Fatherland is not the number of the population, but the absence of "parasites" feeding at its expense ...
        hi
        1. Kite
          Kite 5 February 2016 17: 32
          0
          Quote: yuriy55
          We can make weapons, planes, spaceships - let's do it, and direct the funds to development.

          - understatement. The thought is not complete. Development of what? The rocketman, having earned money, will meekly give it to the development of "knitting brooms", which can be bought from .... for 1 rubles. for a car? Don't be rude sarcasm. He gave a contrasting example of activity to fully cover everything that is needed and useful for the population and the country. "Brooms" are also needed, although they are knitted by artels of workers with limited health. So we live on what we do best and have more than others.
          Quote: yuriy55
          Let there be only a little more than 146 million people, the main thing for our Fatherland is not the number of the population, but the absence of "parasites" feeding at its expense ...

          There are only 146 million of us, therefore, in order to meet the modern level of industrial development, we must expand the markets for our products. After all, we don’t need to have everyone inside the tank or a pair of boxes of nuts of all styles? The question is rhetorical. The Vietnamese are supplying everyone with slippers, the Chinese are smartphones, there is already an excess. I mean, building a state-owned factory of gigantic size on these products is a dubious investment, and a small one is a complete waste. About the limited demand for what we get great, I wrote above.
          About parasites: yes there is, like everyone else. The share of people with a good mind and conscience is even higher in our country than in others. But the proportion of people with an evil mind or without any mind at all is not small. I do not know a quick and at the same time humane method of dividing these groups in the fields of activity.
          hi
    4. Fat
      Fat 5 February 2016 13: 38
      +1
      Quote: izya top
      own production from A to Z

      I read your post and thought that I hadn’t drunk coffee yet laughing and pineapples last time only for the new year ...
  5. pts-m
    pts-m 5 February 2016 06: 22
    +3
    In contrast to the small formations of "evil", looking from the Universe formed a territory called Russia! As the people say ... you don't drown ... but I don't envy the Schwarzen Mavpas, the heat gets boring the next day, in contrast to the abundant snow and invigorating frost.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 5 February 2016 11: 58
      +1
      No, frost here doesn’t invigorate us in the south, snow is good only in the fields. And so - a couple of weeks of winter is already already tiresome. When we watch TV with stories about snowfalls and frosts around the country - it's so easy to horror. And people came to live from the north, they are so unhappy - that, they say, here over the winter - there is not even snow crawling. Who got used to what ... Yesterday it was + 16. And a week ago - 10, three days ago - snowfall, yesterday everything melted.
      1. Egevich
        Egevich 5 February 2016 23: 50
        0
        Quote: housewife
        No, frost here doesn’t invigorate us in the south, snow is good only in the fields. And so - a couple of weeks of winter is already already tiresome. When we watch TV with stories about snowfalls and frosts around the country - it's so easy to horror. And people came to live from the north, they are so unhappy - that, they say, here over the winter - there is not even snow crawling. Who got used to what ... Yesterday it was + 16. And a week ago - 10, three days ago - snowfall, yesterday everything melted.

        Well, the usual Rostov winter, nothing surprising ... wink
  6. Ivanly
    Ivanly 5 February 2016 06: 25
    +7
    And also, in addition, one small but weighty plus sign. Migrants do not run to us. It's hard to imagine blacks in Norilsk !!!!!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 5 February 2016 06: 52
      14
      Quote: IVANFLY
      one small but weighty plus sign. Migrants do not run to us.

      belay
      For you to know, I am reporting personally for you.
      The Russian Federation is on the 2nd place in the world in the official number of migrants.

      PS. don't write nonsense anymore please hi
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 5 February 2016 07: 21
        +4
        Russia is on the 2nd place in the world in the official number of migrants

        I fully support you. And although the bulk of the former Soviet republics, but it has grown completely in other countries. More than half do not know the Russian language, do not understand the Russian mentality, i.e. full-fledged foreign migrants. It’s just that Russia knows how to properly build a migration policy, although it is not always used in the right direction.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 5 February 2016 07: 26
          +7
          Thank you for your understanding drinks
          Quote: rotmistr60
          It’s just that Russia knows how to build a migration policy,

          They just know how to shout loudly about the migration of others, but keep quiet about their own, and then consider it an increase in population what
        2. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 5 February 2016 08: 15
          +6
          In Russia, they have no idea about migration policy.
          Until recently, the authorities had no idea where visitors work, where they are located, what they generally do. Only recently have patents been introduced which migrants wanted to spit. Markets are not controlled by anyone at all; the FMS is on their content.
          The arrival of millions of wild revolutions is a finely calculated diversion. The same process is now being circled in Europe. Only Europeans are rich, have benefits and pensions, high salaries, a control system and trade unions. Us before that as to the moon.
          1. Mr. Pip
            Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 12: 39
            -1
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            The arrival of millions of wild revolutions is a finely calculated diversion.

            No.
            This is the need of the economy - otherwise they would have nothing to do here, they would not have come here.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 5 February 2016 15: 56
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        PS. don't write nonsense anymore please


        He simply missed a few words:
        Migrants do not run to us, who rush to the Russian freebie. It's hard to imagine blacks raping our girls and beating our women in Norilsk !!!!!
        hi
    2. Boos
      Boos 5 February 2016 08: 07
      10
      There are no blacks in Norilsk, but there are swaggering noses there, and this is not a plus at all ...
      1. Voice of the Mind
        Voice of the Mind 5 February 2016 13: 19
        +1
        New York and Chicago stand on the latitude of Turkey. And these are the northernmost cities in the USA.

        smiled unreal laughing
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 February 2016 08: 24
      11
      Quote: IVANFLY
      It's hard to imagine blacks in Norilsk !!!!!
      [img] http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/00-epiphany-in-tver-orthodoxys

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    4. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 February 2016 08: 38
      0
      Quote: IVANFLY
      It's hard to imagine blacks in Norilsk !!!!!

      ... Yeah, like parrots in Antarctica!
  7. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 5 February 2016 06: 29
    20
    Yes, there is no need to build either the southern or the northern gas pipeline - the Millerovites have become completely insolent. "national treasure" has turned into a headache - there are thousands of settlements in Russia without gas supply, this is where to build, and not at extortionate prices. will work fine in any economic situation.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 5 February 2016 06: 31
    +5
    Normal country .. It all depends on us ...
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 5 February 2016 09: 55
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      .Everything depends on us..

      Everything, as always, depends on who steers the country .. even though the forehead is a scandal, if it goes against the ruling elite, an example is our entire past history ..
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 5 February 2016 16: 06
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      Normal country .. It all depends on us ...


      It "depended on us" before laughing Read what has changed now? what

      If I fall asleep and wake up in a hundred years and they ask me what is happening in Russia now, I will answer: they drink and steal.

      I wanted something: either the constitution, or the stellar sturgeon with horseradish, or someone to strip.

      In all countries, railways are used for movement, and in our country, moreover, for theft.

      When and what bureaucrat was not convinced that Russia has a pie to which you can freely approach and eat?

      Russian authorities should keep their people in a state of constant amazement.

      It’s nothing that in Europe they give one fifty dollars for our ruble - it will be worse if they give in our faces for our ruble.

      The strictness of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-binding nature of their implementation.

      Many tend to confuse two concepts: “Fatherland” and “Your Excellency”.

      It is scary when a person speaks and you don’t know why he says, what he says and whether he will ever finish.

      hi
  9. EvgNik
    EvgNik 5 February 2016 06: 33
    11
    the development of the domestic economy is entirely subordinate to incorrigible climatic anomalies in most of the country. That is precisely why it is disastrous for us to join the WTO.

    Accession to the WTO, especially the conditions that were adopted upon accession, are really disastrous for us. This has been written more than once. And strawberries here in the Urals grow well in open ground. Cucumbers and tomatoes, however, are under a film, but they grow! And the fact that it is necessary to develop high technology is not clear unless to our government.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 5 February 2016 16: 13
      +1
      Quote: EvgNik
      And the fact that it is necessary to develop high technology is not clear unless to our government.


      Our government does not understand only one thing, how to accelerate the development of high technologies so that tomorrow they will give a "dollar return", because staying in such high positions is a short-term matter ...
      hi
  10. nimboris
    nimboris 5 February 2016 06: 35
    +1
    Precisely, all sorts of pests, and on two legs, including, do not take root in the cold.
  11. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 5 February 2016 06: 37
    +6
    And from our immense snowy expanses they are attacked by sickness - AGORAFOBIA!
  12. Griboedoff
    Griboedoff 5 February 2016 06: 38
    +8
    And I didn't see the way in the article. It's easy to say that you need to create unique products with a high degree of processing. And you try to create it ... And most importantly, where are our competitive advantages in this? Why can we make such products, but Japan or China not? The higher the degree of processing and the more unique the technology, the greater the role of "white collars" in added value, such "idlers at computers" (in the understanding of the modern "proletarian"). And they, for some reason, increasingly prefer to work in mild climatic conditions and in the presence of a developed infrastructure. That is, not in Russia. Is it a vicious circle?
    1. rusmat73
      rusmat73 5 February 2016 11: 27
      +2
      in nuclear power and space, neither Japan nor China can produce such products as we can ... yes and this is the difference between us and them hi
      we would have to tighten consumer goods and cars (as weapons) ... what
      if "Tiger" s were mass-produced (to bring to mind and reduce prices) - many in Russia would have moved to "Tigers", and do not care about the roads))) something like this. hi
      we have a reserve - the most important - people! so we need to develop and take care of us. but they remember us only during the elections, and then forget again ... I hope someday it will be easier for us and we will not be spoiled by the developed infrastructure and the state cares for us ... hi
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 5 February 2016 16: 27
        +2
        Quote: rusmat73
        ... I hope someday it will be easier for us and we will not spoil the developed infrastructure and care of us by the state ...


        I would very much like to be surrounded by state care, not to be confused with "state supervision" ...

        In real life, you cannot allow Russian "nouveau riches" to spin in Moscow and St. Petersburg with the money they pull from the regions ...
  13. Same lech
    Same lech 5 February 2016 06: 41
    17
    The path to success lies in the field of high technologies. In the creation of unique products with high degree of processing, when the cost of raw materials and production costs play out against the backdrop of the cost of the final product.


    This is understood at the grassroots level in RUSSIA, but it is refused to be understood by the KREMLIN appointing crooks, prokhendeys and adventurers like GREF and CHUBAIS to key positions in the economy and finance.
    For almost twenty years they have been sitting like stinky bugs on the body of RUSSIA and the real result from them is zilch ... some loud statements that it is necessary to save banks by taking money from the population ... thieves ....
    I am more and more annoyed by the situation with this talker.
    From 1927 to 1940, thousands and thousands of factories, factories, and agricultural enterprises were built in the USSR (count RUSSIA) under the sanctions of the West, the country received a powerful impetus for development.
    CHUBAIS boasts 23 factories whose activity is inconspicuous, one of the factories has already gone bankrupt ... the liberal yap ... I am very much in the negative from such people.
    Despite the remarks of Romanov, I will again say my opinion that PUTIN is poorly versed in the economy if he appoints people with defeatism to rule it.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 5 February 2016 07: 11
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      that PUTIN is poorly versed in the economy if he appoints to rule people with defeatist sentiments.

      Unfortunately, this is so.
      Everyone has both strengths and weaknesses. There are certainly people who are unique and universal in knowledge, but they very rarely become presidents.
    2. dv_generalov
      dv_generalov 5 February 2016 07: 50
      -2
      We swami know "only the tip of the iceberg," but what is in the "water surface" is a question.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 5 February 2016 07: 54
        +4
        Quote: dv_generalov
        but what is in the "water surface" is a question.

        There is always a fish that is good to catch in troubled waters. hi
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 5 February 2016 16: 30
          0
          Quote: Stroporez
          There is always a fish that is good to catch in troubled waters.


          Another variant:
          There may be CATCHER on a fish catcher in troubled waters ...
          hi
    3. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 5 February 2016 08: 25
      -6
      Remember how the people lived from the 27th to the 40th.
      Stalin, of course, was well versed in the economy.
      He gave a damn about the whole world, no one gave him loans, all industrialization was carried out by completely robbing the peasantry.
      How do you get a salary of 20 rubles a month. Probably with this money one could live luxuriously. As some are now convinced. In the photo of that time, look. There are some raggers. Only a few of them. Photos, not tattered. The population had almost no cameras.
      Commodity hunger.
      In the film "Kuban Cossacks" all food is made from papier mache. Answer to possible objections.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 5 February 2016 08: 31
        +7
        He gave a damn about the whole world, no one gave him loans, all industrialization was carried out by completely robbing the peasantry.
        How do you get a salary of 20 rubles a month.


        Bad example ...
        At the time of the Great Depression in the USA, people worked there for one dollar a month or even for free ... for simple feeding ... so Stalin paid GOD even so that the person would not starve to death.
        1. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 12: 43
          0
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Bad example

          And you?
          Of course, we didn’t have a great depression, like no other and previous crises of overproduction - but again because of this and only because there was no overproduction as well as production as such in general request
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 5 February 2016 12: 51
            +1
            belay

            but simpler you can ... did not understand anything ... what was and what was not?
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 13: 43
              0
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              but it’s easier ... you can’t understand anything

              Can.
              You write.
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              At the time of the Great Depression in the USA, people worked there for one dollar a month or even for free ... for simple feeding ... so Stalin paid GOD even so that the person would not starve to death.

              I explain.
              The Great Depression (and this is by the way not only the United States) it was the most powerful and the last in the history of the capitalist countries overproduction crisis - "capitalists" without state regulation, producers of goods are so many that they simply did not have anyone to buy everything!
              The goods were not sold due to lack of demand, enterprises were shrinking and closing, and people found themselves on the street without a salary - as a result, demand for goods fell even more and this led to even greater reduction and closure of the enterprise - the domino principle.
              In the RI of the USSR, these crises did not exist, including in the fact that in terms of production we were inferior to the capitalist countries so much that we didn’t have this overproduction, there was a banal deficit sometimes necessary.
              That is, comparing for some reason "VD and Stalin" you are comparing round with soft fellow
  14. Griboedoff
    Griboedoff 5 February 2016 06: 55
    16
    Thick walls, massive foundations and heating systems of domestic factory workshops (compared with an asphalt pavement and a tin pavilion somewhere in Malaysia) eloquently testify to investors about the need for serious investments. At minus 20, literally everything becomes a problem.

    If you argue this way, then a significant part of production will prove to be just more profitable in Russia. For often it is necessary to solve not the heating problem, but the cooling problem.
    Do you think Russia spends more energy on heating premises than in the southern part of the United States on cooling premises? Oh vryatli. And what problems with foundations need to be solved in Japan with its seismic hazard? The problems of freezing soil will seem like "flowers" to you, compared to this.
    I think that the thesis "Any production in Russia is characterized by a monstrous level of costs" is fundamentally wrong. And most of the "monstrous costs" are not explained by the climate.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 5 February 2016 08: 29
      +1
      Quote: Griboedoff
      And most of the "monstrous costs" are not explained by the climate.

      (1) Russia has two troubles - fools and roads

      (2) - And how is it, in Russia?
      - All the same, master, - they steal ...
    2. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 12: 44
      +1
      Quote: Griboedoff
      And what problems with foundations need to be addressed in Japan with its seismic hazard?

      1. Smaller.
      2. In Japan, the main volume of production is OUTSIDE of Japan itself.
  15. Nix1986
    Nix1986 5 February 2016 07: 01
    +7
    Earth say bad? Even the extraction of raw materials is not profitable ?! So explain why the ancestors of today's Western investors in the millions of hordes invaded here and not with bucks, but with their blood invested in our black earth ?! Not from picturesque Provence, a solar company or hot Spain, people from all over Europe were dying in batches, but here under Stalingrad, Moscow, Kursk, Borodino, etc.?! And their goal was not just to rob and leave, but to settle on it. We have good land, almost the entire periodic table is in it, and if this wealth cannot provide a good life for at least 50% of the population, then the problem is clearly not in the ground. This problem was also called when Rurik went to reign to call, read the whole reason in these words, it is still relevant today.
    1. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 12: 49
      +1
      Quote: Nix1986
      So explain why the ancestors of today's Western investors in the millions of hordes invaded here and not with bucks, but with their blood invested in our black earth ?!

      In times of political economy or feudalism?
      And probably not behind the "black earth" for the last time - but needing "human resources" to build their own economy and needing the war itself from the very beginning to stimulate its own production again, mainly militaristic
      That is, if very briefly - the economy and benefits "then and today" were generally different. fellow
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 6 February 2016 19: 01
      +1
      Quote: Nix1986
      Not from picturesque Provence, a solar company or hot Spain, people from all over Europe were dying in batches, but here under Stalingrad, Moscow, Kursk, Borodino, etc.?! And their goal was not just to rob and leave, but to settle on it

      Well, the Germans did not disdain territories in Africa, because everything else was divided. And here black soil, forests and fields + population can be exploited
  16. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 5 February 2016 07: 05
    +5
    Oh ... Plus to Mr. Kaptsov good
    Indeed, we have a completely different development path, our own. Which can be realized only in the calculation of the qualities laid down by nature in his people. Only we (or most likely a number of comrades from the government) do not want to understand this. They try to be like the West, which in its usual manner of lies and hypocrisy makes of Naz barbarians. Why are we lengthening to the fact that they are always trying to destroy us ??? Because we, because of our kindness and generosity, do not see the obvious and still try to justify the enemies? May be... what
    Strength, in my opinion, is in our justice and honesty. We need to build our own civilization, invest in ourselves, and not look at what is happening behind the Bug.
    Only in this way can we survive. And send away different advisers. After all, try to go and advise someone in the West how to live. You will be immediately accused of all mortal sins ... Question: why are we suffering ??
    And the answer to the question of why the climate is like this is because the stove warms up, whose name is Gulf Stream. It will disappear - and everything will shackle to the breadth of Astrakhan wink
  17. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 5 February 2016 07: 11
    +9
    Medicine, biotechnology, engines, production lines, machine tools. Alas, instead of efforts to create plasma etching systems for microcircuits, they preferred to swarm in black sticky mud. Which, in addition, managed to drop in price three times over the past year. In their wretchedness, the participants in the “anti-crisis forums” are similar to the Papuans gathered under a dried palm tree and waiting for the coconut to ripen. What is more important to build - “North” or “South Stream”?

    Good article, big + to the author. hi
    1. Udaw_nur
      Udaw_nur 5 February 2016 08: 06
      +5
      Yeah, great. And the author is very well informed. Pearl especially pleased - "From the vegetation there is only moss, all the hope of the happy inhabitants of those places for the" northern delivery "". Here, damn it, the men don't know! I'll go to my neighbor and ask how things are with the "delivery" today. How does he imagine providing a city of 150 in 3 months of navigation with everything necessary for the year ahead? It’s necessary to blurt it out. And along which river, along the Puru? Fabulous d ... fuck. And why ??? In Novy Urengoy, the railway and the road have been operating all year round, and for a long time. And there will be more vegetation here. than in the same suburbs or Krasnodar Territory. In the forest, you literally walk over berries and mushrooms. And the cold here is not so "fierce" as they say. But the fact that we have been able to build such a city on the Arctic Circle in permafrost conditions in just 30 years is a truly unique achievement of our people. Only the author for some reason is modestly silent about this.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 5 February 2016 12: 10
        0
        More vegetation than in the Krasnodar Territory? Yah?
        1. Fat
          Fat 5 February 2016 14: 21
          +2
          Quote: housewife
          More vegetation than in the Krasnodar Territory? Yah?

          Well yes! A little higher, and if in cubic meters - the Krasnodar Territory is resting.
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 5 February 2016 16: 17
            +1
            Ah, well, maybe with cubic meters. And I thought the number of species. Truth. Yagel, cedar, larch do not grow with us. Eat your cloudberries yourself, we’ll do more like cherries here.
      2. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 12: 51
        0
        Quote: Udaw_nur
        And there will be more vegetation. than in the same suburbs or Krasnodar Territory.

        Excuse me, were you there for sure? laughing
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 5 February 2016 07: 13
    +3
    The second edition of this book has already been published.
    I advise you to read, very cleans the head.
  19. Griboedoff
    Griboedoff 5 February 2016 07: 17
    +8
    From the depths of the Kuzbass mines - across Siberia and the Far East, under the clatter of wagon wheels.

    An example is completely meaningless. It is not necessary to bring coal to the Far East. There you can mine a lot of coal. Yes, exporting coal somewhere to Malaysia by sea is not our niche. So what? Please bring coal straight to China. And not from Kuzbass, but from Tyva ... So this is already being implemented, it is a real and economically profitable project. What is the problem, where is this claim disadvantage of everything and everything?
    1. Fat
      Fat 5 February 2016 14: 26
      +1
      You're right. For a poor business manager, logistics is always to blame, and a feasibility study is a filkin letter.
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 6 February 2016 21: 28
      0
      Quote: Griboedoff
      What is the problem, where is this claim disadvantage of everything and everything?

      Nevertheless, the cost of production, ceteris paribus, is higher. Compare at least the needs for clothing and food in Russia and Thailand or Malaysia. Therefore, we have to increase productivity in order to produce competitive products. And this is not easy, our main trump card - education, is degrading. And the state must support the manufacturer, so the WTO is a burden for us.
  20. Just BB
    Just BB 5 February 2016 07: 22
    +3
    No, guys!
    Russia is unique to the people!
    Take Europe - from history: as soon as the enemy captured the castle of the "king" - that's it! - Victory! The land and everything on it belongs to the new "king"
    Not so in Russia!
    Well, you captured half of the country with the capital (although there were not many such episodes) - hr .. (in the sense of "bitter vegetable") for you! And not "your territory" - all went to the partisans. "We will cut one by one, and when we get together with strength," we will break!
    No one has ever plowed for "someone else's uncle" and will not plow - there are plenty of our own!
    1. aviator1913
      aviator1913 5 February 2016 10: 46
      +4
      Take Europe - from history: as soon as the enemy captured the castle of the "king" - that's it! - Victory! The land and everything on it belongs to the new "king"
      Not so in Russia!


      Well, here you are a little disingenuous. The British for a long time controlled Paris and half of France, but the French did not give up and still fought. After 1814, the British captured and burned Washington along with the White House of the US President, but the Americans did not give up.

      There are many such examples, if Europeans were solid weaklings and swindlers, they would not have achieved this.

      Opponents can not be underestimated, especially now, when the concept of seizing territory and victory over the enemy is not so clear. Now you don’t need to seize the whole territory, establish your own power there, feed people as in colonies, now other wars and other control technologies. Therefore, we must work well, develop and try to live happily, and try to make better ourselves and the reality around us.
  21. ivanych
    ivanych 5 February 2016 07: 28
    +2
    ... we even have a trip to government agencies, for some smelly help will result in such costs ....
  22. Flinky
    Flinky 5 February 2016 07: 30
    0
    I didn’t understand a damn thing (s). A stream of consciousness with some kind of emotions ...
  23. Stinger
    Stinger 5 February 2016 07: 31
    +6
    In their wretchedness, the participants in the “anti-crisis forums” are similar to the Papuans gathered under a dried palm tree and waiting for the coconut to ripen. What is more important to build - “North” or “South Stream”?

    Very accurate definition. Thank. I recalled an old joke. The instructor asks the student driver:
    - an old woman and a girl suddenly jumped in front of you on the road, whom will we crush?
    - the old woman, the girl is too young.
    - Oh you! We will press the brake.
    But in our country, are there any brakes? Will liberals crush all sectors in turn?
  24. Wladwlad
    Wladwlad 5 February 2016 07: 35
    11
    Is it not clear that the author does not understand or deliberately distorts everything ??? "Any production in Russia is characterized by a monstrous level of costs." THE MOST ORDINARY LIE !!! The costs that we incur FOR HEATING, the rest are spent on COOLING. And it is EXPENSIVE. Plus IRRIGATION - growing grain in Siberia is MUCH CHEAPER than in Canada. Before the revolution, laws were passed PROHIBITING THE TRANSPORTATION OF SIBERIAN BREAD THROUGH THE URALS because of its CHEAP.

    I won’t even write anything further - NOT INTERESTING TO COMMENT ON FALSE.
    1. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 13: 04
      +2
      Quote: WladWlad
      THE MOST USUAL LIE !!! Those costs that we bear on HEATING, the rest are spent on COOLING. And it's ROAD.

      Generally fundamentally wrong!
      Cooling costs are CHEAPER - no need for "capital construction" - the energy for cooling can be taken practically from the air (the same SB now have up to 90% efficiency) - plus not everything is cooled, only "expensive" buildings, that is, part of the infrastructure in the chain - and the costs of "capital" they are spent along the entire chain.
      Quote: WladWlad
      Plus WATERING - growing grain in Siberia is MUCH CHEAPER than in Canada.

      I won’t argue over grain, especially in Siberia and Canada, I believe you.
      But!
      1. Cereals are cheap raw materials with low profitability (CX in all developed countries DOTATED) and giving the manufacturer a penny.
      2. Mass consumption of "cereals and potatoes" as the main diet is a sign of extreme poverty, both of the population and the economy. The rest (not poor countries) have meat, vegetables and fruits as the main diet - even in the "poor" Southeast Asia, people generally eat better than we do - there in the markets freshly caught shrimp and freshly picked pineapples are the same food as we have potatoes and cabbage request
  25. saper2463
    saper2463 5 February 2016 07: 35
    15
    To switch to the production of unique, highly innovative products, it is necessary to change a lot in the country and the sooner the better! The main task is to stop the collapse of education! The modern model does not let young people out of universities whose goals are to build and develop these industries in Russia, thereby realizing not only their creative potential, but also patriotic ideas. What for? if you can secure your life after working for 10 years in the same Japan. Task number two is to stop the outflow of the main capital of our country, "brains", a very ambitious and difficult task. Task number three is creating conditions for high-quality work in these areas.
    Probably someone after reading my comment will say: "Same to me a smart guy, and so everything is clear! Take it and try to put it all into life." I want to answer right away: "If we want to live in a country in which we want to live! Then we must set ambitious goals! And go towards fulfilling these goals, despite all the difficulties! And I do not believe that there are no talented leaders in Russia who can do this. Organize everything! I don’t believe that there are no talented scientists who are able to devote their lives to discoveries and implementations! I don’t believe that there are no talented workers who will make products the best in the world! But what I believe in is that we have become somehow inert in the last decade. " It all worked out so well ...
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 February 2016 09: 09
      +8
      Quote: saper2463
      And I do not believe that in Russia there are no talented leaders who can organize all this! I do not believe that there are no talented scientists who are able to devote their lives to discoveries and introductions! I do not believe that there are no talented workers who will make products better than anyone else in the world!

      From everyday experience (or - "from the testimony of the victims" ...) 6
      - They say - people do not know how to work with us, and they don’t want to! lazy, de, drink a lot ...
      What do "those who left" say to this - those who have worked abroad (in Japan, Germany, France, USA, Spain and Italy ...? But what: - OUR people are not only not worse than THEIR people, but also work better, more responsible, better qualified and better trained! but at least take a simple truck driver! ... And business owners - yes, they prefer to hire ours!
      True, our people have a serious drawback - a kind of understanding of "labor discipline": they can go to lunch earlier, or later ... but they will come out earlier, or they will not go to lunch at all, carried away! ... Violates, you know !. ..
      But - in the end, by gaining experience of "communication" Westerners have come to terms with this - the result is positive! in total, in terms of working hours - our people work not only better, but also more! than the same Turks or Africans ... those (ours say) create more visibility - stormy labor activity ... But the Chinese - fizzle out quickly, are not hardy (and not only and not so much physically as psychologically) ...
      ... That's right, bastardly in line ...
  26. Balagan
    Balagan 5 February 2016 07: 44
    +2
    Yes, it was always clear that because of the climate, we will not get anything from half of the Russian territories except timber, minerals and hydropower. In terms of traditional land use, a large part of the population of Siberia and the Far East is relatively evenly distributed over the southern part of these regions. Also, after all, we reach for warmth, just cold bring their note into the mysterious Russian character.
    1. Wladwlad
      Wladwlad 5 February 2016 07: 48
      +3
      Don't listen to any lies - especially about the climate. Let them count how much "countries with a good climate" spend ON AIR CONDITIONING - much more than we do on heating.
      Before the revolution, all merchants and industrialists were from the Urals and Siberia.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 5 February 2016 09: 14
        +3
        Quote: WladWlad
        Before the revolution, all merchants and industrialists were from the Urals and Siberia.

        "Scientific and medical fact" - the northern peoples are more creative, genetically more adapted to overcoming the vicissitudes of life than the southerners! Hereditary, so to speak, conditioning for difficult living conditions! For thousands of years, they did not get used to the fact that the banana would fall into your mouth ... but you had to go, uproot, plow, sow, weed, water ... warm it up, finally ... and then put it in your mouth!
        1. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 13: 08
          -1
          Quote: CONTROL
          that a banana will fall into his mouth

          You won’t believe it, but bananas themselves don’t fall into your mouth - and if you are talking about Africa, then this is a continent with more than problematic agriculture.
        2. KKND
          KKND 5 February 2016 18: 38
          0
          Quote: CONTROL
          "Scientific and medical fact" - the northern peoples are more creative, genetically more adapted to overcoming the vicissitudes of life than the southerners!

          Yeah, yeah, and the white race is better than ... Well, etc. and so on
      2. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 13: 07
        +4
        Quote: WladWlad
        Let them calculate how much "countries with a good climate" spend ON AIR CONDITIONING

        Not with a "good climate" but with a "rich population" - air conditioners are used in our country in summer, but you won't die without an air conditioner in Africa, but how many can you live without heating here ?! fellow
  27. shinobi
    shinobi 5 February 2016 07: 51
    +2
    What always touched me in all these experts and analysts, they say obvious things like some kind of huge secret. And the main secrets lie in a completely different plane. They keep quiet. The fact that the Sauds run out of oil and that it’s necessary to invest in deep deposits is not bad. remained only in small fields and not of high quality. America didn’t take up oil shale from a good life, and the current oil price war is just a harbinger of the end of cheap eastern oil. It will be cheaper to deliver than deep oil. That's why there is a bickering over the Arctic and squeezing small company.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 February 2016 09: 19
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      It will be cheaper to transport from the north than to mine deep. That is why there is a bickering over the Arctic and squeezing out small companies.

      "Canadians" - pumping units for pumping oil from the depths of the "Devonian" (rather powerful rigs); not bad ... They were mainly consumed by us - the USSR, and a few (only a few) by the USA and Canada - there are shallow oil horizons ... But they do not touch deep ones - it's expensive! But we swing and swing ... and swing ...
  28. antiexpert
    antiexpert 5 February 2016 07: 53
    +7
    It is necessary to correctly understand that it means the well-known Tyutsky fourth
    “We must not understand Russia,
    do not measure apshin
    she has a special article,
    you can only believe in Russia. ”
    The poet also describes the same as the movie director of the Aliens cinema.
    In the film, an effective way of life has stumbled inside an alien organism and, after some time, made itself known to be an original and unexpected way. In the Russian history from century to century, the same thing happens, only this process is not one-time, but regular, and each next one is matured in the morning. IT'S Pucckie oschuschali, Nr ne vcegda yacno ponimali chto otpazhaloc in cententsiyah vpode "ckvoz paccypayuschuyucya impepckuyu putinu ppoctupali ognennye kontupy novogo mipa», «c cemidecyatyh godov dvadtsatogo veka Pocciya was bepemenna pepectpoykoy", etc.
    “Special article” was included in the inalienable anatomy of the newly born. Europe is a boring set of one and the same kind of subjects trying to equip their dreamers to the new requirements of the moment. A Russia has always been eternally young - but this young man has been denied a full refusal, since each new one is unbroken. This is an alternative mechanism of evolution - explosive-jump-like. There is no reassuring knowledge for the personal survival of the cartesian mind in this, of course, but there was no reason - so I said “a little”.
    As a result of this recognition, anyone understands what kind of man and will are required in order to live and love such a country. In practical terms, understanding the reality of becoming more and more like the Russian elite, is more likely to be somewhat “fatty”, but also And by all means they delay the meeting with the newly-born, who is gaining strength, hiding somewhere between the crossings of the cargo compartment.
  29. Rust
    Rust 5 February 2016 07: 54
    0
    Good article. I try to find a book to read.
  30. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 5 February 2016 08: 01
    +3
    Article of a bore. It’s not necessary for Russia to repeat everything that a country or a corporation does on its territory in order to be non-competitive later. Russia has always gone and will go its own way. There is an iron rule: if something does not work out, then the reason is only one - the mind is not enough! We have tremendous opportunities to be the only ones in production or services that are not found anywhere in the world. As for oil and minerals, there are many reservations. We have a lot of minerals that are not found anywhere, competition is excluded. Oil is a little more difficult, in general, it should not be a locomotive of our economy, but rather a pleasant addition. Work in the field There is no end to the economy, we have also not come close to its effective use by a percentage. For agriculture, I am generally silent ..
  31. PKK
    PKK 5 February 2016 08: 04
    +1
    The article is unfinished. There is a surge of emotions. There is no analysis of the development of the Country and the construction of a new Civilization by Stalin. The surge of science and industry before Gorbachev is not covered. The heroism of our people at all times is not shown. The author did not reach the conclusion.
  32. Riv
    Riv 5 February 2016 08: 05
    +5
    The author is funny. Heat losses from him, you see, are great ... Purely for information: this is far from always bad. For example, if in Africa you need to supply ten cubic meters of water per hour to a body exchanger, then we have three. And our circulating water is colder, and heat transfer is taking place on the pipelines. If in China the electric motor turns off, then in our country it will not even heat up at a temperature close to zero. If we have mosquitoes in the tundra, then in Angola it is even greater and it cannot tolerate any infection.

    In general, from the point of view of the technofascist: the article is delusional.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 February 2016 09: 27
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      The author is funny. Heat losses from him, you see, are great ... Purely for information: this is far from always bad. For example, if in Africa you need to supply ten cubic meters of water per hour to a body exchanger, then we have three. And our circulating water is colder, and heat transfer is taking place on the pipelines. If in China the electric motor turns off, then in our country it will not even heat up at a temperature close to zero. If we have mosquitoes in the tundra, then in Angola it is even greater and it cannot tolerate any infection.

      In general, from the point of view of the technofascist: the article is delusional.

      ... And heat losses on, say, heating mains when supplying heat carrier (water) from the nearest boiler house to your 5-storey building? when on the sidewalk over the heating line in a 30-degree frost you can go on slippers on slippers on asphalt (the snow has melted all!) ...
      And legislatively - in SNiPs - fixed mandatory glazing in three strands? ... And the norms of heating residential and industrial premises with the constant stay of a large number of people (store) - did not have to deal with such calculations? ...
      ... Maybe, to adjust - for laughter - the heat engineering calculation of multilayer walling in a variable temperature gradient? ...
      1. Riv
        Riv 5 February 2016 10: 58
        +3
        So this, my friend, is a question of the availability and quality of thermal insulation. Plus attitude to work. If you do as always, then you can sunbathe over the heating main.

        Here, for example, this winter I froze a water line. They stretched out a new one, oppressed, and the water was not drained qualitatively. Soaring is useless. It is long, on the landscape -30. They threw a twenty pipe along it, a steam hose was attached to the pipe. I give command to isolate this business. Insulators are ramping up, doing, reporting. I come - glass wool hanging in shreds. Where's the window? But no, they didn’t bring it. And like, they think that everything is fine and the work is done. Do you understand? Made through the ass and waiting for praise ...

        Well, I went to my place, took a roll of food-grade plastic film, wrapped it with glass wool. The line has departed.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 5 February 2016 12: 21
          -1
          But I don’t understand the meaning of boiler houses and heating mains. Especially in villages with private houses. Remember the reports when Siberian villages had to be evacuated due to the failure of boiler houses in 40-degree frosts? What kind of heating is it when it is cold in some apartments, and in others (with the same boiler room), you have to ventilate the apartment all the time - is it hot? And they pay the same! I have a boiler in the house - it’s beauty, I add it, or even turn it off in the middle of winter, if the weather is warm. I think it’s possible to do this in apartments as well, and gradually get away from boiler houses.
          1. Riv
            Riv 5 February 2016 12: 57
            +2
            The point is that the more powerful the boiler, the more economical it is. The most profitable heating option is a thermal power station, or nuclear power plant. There the heat of the secondary steam is generally waste. It’s all the same on the cooling towers to throw off into the atmosphere. It’s better to heat the water, drive it into a pipe and heat the whole city, and the heat will still remain.
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 16: 43
              +1
              Quote: Riv
              that the more powerful the boiler, the more economical it is.

              If about the boiler, then definitely hi
              But we only have a complex power system and the overall efficiency may not depend on the efficiency of the boiler hi
              Quote: Riv
              The most profitable heating option - CHP, or NPP

              NPP yes, it's hard to argue.
              It is very controversial about the CHP - the efficiency is generally at the level of a conventional CHP, and it is probably not entirely correct to consider the "utilization" of excess heat here - this will not tell us anything about efficiency.
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      2. Mr. Pip
        Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 13: 23
        +1
        Quote: CONTROL
        And heat losses on, say, heating mains when supplying heat carrier (water) from the nearest boiler house to your 5-storey building?

        Brilliantly! hi
        But opponents do not think about it, their costs for "heating-cooling" are determined solely by the presence of radiators with an efficiency of 100% fellow
      3. Fat
        Fat 5 February 2016 14: 58
        +1
        Quote: CONTROL
        And legislatively - in SNiPs - fixed mandatory glazing in three strands? ... And the norms of heating residential and industrial premises with the constant stay of a large number of people (store) - did not have to deal with such calculations? ...
        ... Maybe, to adjust - for laughter - the heat engineering calculation of multilayer walling in a variable temperature gradient? ...

        According to SNiP II-3-79 **? had to. Nothing too complicated. Architects used to do these calculations. So all this already in 90 g was not a calculation, but an estimate "by eye" without taking into account the properties of modern materials. The main problem of "warm asphalt" in Soviet construction is the act for hidden work. And simply outright hack-work and postscripts + crap in SNiP. And the designers were "wrong" no less often, to be honest ...
    2. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 13: 21
      0
      Quote: Riv
      In general, from the point of view of the technofascist: the article is delusional.

      I’m probably disagreeing why this electric motor will not work ?!
      They have different operational characteristics - the permissible heating temperature is determined by the insulation class and this is always several times higher than the ambient temperature and usually failure is a consequence of wear or overloads - again, ICEs work somehow at +50 although their maximum permissible temperature is determined not by insulation, but by the cooling system and the combustion temperature is again MUCH higher than the temperature of the windings! fellow
      And besides, here it is not the "technofascist point of view" that is important, but the opinions of economists about the "profitability" hi
      1. Riv
        Riv 5 February 2016 13: 58
        0
        Here is how? Does bearing heating not affect anything? And the windings? A humid climate?

        Profitability is determined not by engines, but by the presence of a labor force ready to work hard for pennies.
        1. Mr. Pip
          Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 14: 29
          0
          Quote: Riv
          Here is how? Does bearing heating not affect anything? And the windings? A humid climate?

          Oh how laughing
          Everything affects everything - and you should know it perfectly. hi
          The question is the qualitative influence of external factors on the products, there are the same operating standards, the same NATO (and not only) standard allows the operation of any type of equipment from -50 to +50.
          Again, humidity, again, almost all the equipment undergoes anti-corrosion treatment - and it's not about humidity, is it not enough for you to rain in the European country? Again, let's take the Russian Federation, now American cars appeared in our time, so they had chrome in one winter and managed to climb all - reagents! Although they go to SEA and do not climb request
          And yes, why in extreme cases, either in Siberia -50 or immediately either in the Sahara or in the Congo basin - the main production is not in the Congo, but in Southeast Asia, for example, there is 20-25 average temperature and not so monstrous humidity request
          1. Riv
            Riv 5 February 2016 16: 21
            0
            Well so what we returned to: profitability is determined by cheap labor. It is more profitable to bring raw materials and equipment through half a ball. And let the engines burn - everything will pay off handsomely for low environmental costs and low salaries.
            1. Mr. Pip
              Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 16: 33
              +1
              Quote: Riv
              Well so what we returned to: profitability is determined by cheap labor.

              I actually never denied this, you can read my very first comment on the news at the very end of the discussion hi
              But the costs of labor are not the only ones, why you argue with this, I don’t understand request
  33. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 5 February 2016 08: 06
    +4
    I have the impression that someone or something very strongly holds Faberge for our president.
    He is trying, as he can, to break free, to do something, to say something loudly, but he is constantly slowed down
  34. guzik007
    guzik007 5 February 2016 08: 10
    +3
    In short, I understood. I used to think that in Russia there are two excuses for not doing nichrome. But there are three of them: fools, roads and climate.
    It’s a pity we didn’t know about it when we lived in Chukotka. We would have left for a long time.: =)
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 February 2016 09: 29
      +2
      Quote: guzik007
      In short, I understood. I used to think that in Russia there are two excuses for not doing nichrome. But there are three of them: fools, roads and climate.
      It’s a pity we didn’t know about it when we lived in Chukotka. We would have left for a long time.: =)

      I left too!
      ... one less ur-less is already a plus ... plus sign!
    2. Mr. Pip
      Mr. Pip 5 February 2016 13: 30
      0
      Quote: guzik007
      It’s a pity we didn’t know about it when we lived in Chukotka.

      And how many have arrived there at all, 50 thousand live today.
  35. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 5 February 2016 08: 17
    +1
    Quote: izya top
    so it’s all that gives its production

    Izya, with all due respect, This gives the state system! And while he is a thief-oligarchic-prvatizionny-fuck to all of us, and not social ... yesterday he was served "free" in "free medicine" - he removed a tooth for a "piece", now it is not I know what is more pitiful: a tooth or money ... recourse
  36. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 5 February 2016 08: 21
    +8
    "The five-millionth megalopolis St. Petersburg stands at a latitude of 60 degrees north of the equator. On the other side of the Earth, at the same latitude, only uninhabited territories of northern Canada and rare villages with meaningful names such as Uranium City extend."

    And we in St. Petersburg are happy with everything :) As in an advertisement for an activity with Porechenkov, you’ll go out into the street, fog, cold weather, smash the rain, a wind that blows, and it’s warm in your soul - you're at home :)
  37. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 5 February 2016 08: 22
    +5
    A provocative question - why do local liberal spills struggle with global warming if Russia benefits from this? To all tropicans - harm, but what do we have to do with it?

    At any global climate conference, Russia's position should not be in the introduction of carbon dioxide emissions charges (and emission reductions), but in the introduction of a worldwide payment in favor of Russia for special climatic conditions.

    It is simply amazing; while the Northern Sea Route was ice-bound all year round - the Russian zone in the Arctic extended as a sector to the pole. As soon as it was discovered that the ice was melting; resources become extractive; transport routes passable - immediately the Russian Arctic cringed. Who signed it? What kind of degenerates are beginning to chat about the NSR as an international route? Or maybe give the keys to the apartment, where the money is, give it away?
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 5 February 2016 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: Gormengast
      Who signed it?

      The one who is tired
  38. 3vs
    3vs 5 February 2016 08: 30
    +3
    "- Why are there two heads and three crowns on the Russian coat of arms?
    - One head looks to the west, the other to the east, but its not. "

    The third crown is God, blogging this earth and its people,
    until we abandoned Him in favor of "bread and circuses", as "tolerant" Europeans
    with arrogant saxes.
  39. evil partisan
    evil partisan 5 February 2016 08: 45
    +2
    Yes, Parshev's book "Why Russia Is Not America" ​​at one time read with great interest. Who has not read - read it, you will not regret it.
  40. yurii p
    yurii p 5 February 2016 09: 06
    +2
    all that is stated in the article is true, the costs of producing something by foreign investors, however, all this is feasible with enslaving Russia, as you know the cheapest is slave labor, the United States and the West are trying to enslave the country, being in partnership with Russia is unprofitable for the West, that's why a lie and the hatred of the West is forever, as long as Russia and the West exist.
  41. uskrabut
    uskrabut 5 February 2016 09: 18
    +4
    Well, on the other hand, our liberal downs lifted the prices for energy resources inside the country to the point of "don't play around", naturally any production becomes unprofitable. Who prevents to reduce these prices to a minimum? WTO? IMF? It is hardly worth trusting such experts, for they "advise in their own favor" (Sirakh).
    1. Ivan Ivanovich
      Ivan Ivanovich 5 February 2016 09: 39
      +1
      That's right, you need to work for yourself, not for uncle ...
  42. lame
    lame 5 February 2016 09: 23
    +4
    In their wretchedness, the participants in the “anti-crisis forums” are similar to the Papuans gathered under a dried palm tree and waiting for the coconut to ripen. What is more important to build - “North” or “South Stream”?

    Poor Putin doesn’t even know where to extend at least one pipe.
  43. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 5 February 2016 09: 35
    +8
    "The path to success lies in the field of high technologies. In the creation of unique products with a high degree of processing, when the cost of primary raw materials and production costs play out against the background of the cost of the final product.
    To gamble on what the Russians do best. Space, peaceful atom, arms export. Invest in the development of the aircraft industry, shipbuilding, IT sphere, creating unparalleled products. Out of competition. "
    It's right. It is necessary to invest in a person. The development of the Russian people should become national ideas. But for some reason, we still cannot solve the problem of quality education and health care. Do not let the people to the national representation in power. Clamp a small business. The eternal question of land has not yet been fully resolved (taxes go wild, the land is empty). The apparatus of power lives in itself and for itself.
  44. arabov
    arabov 5 February 2016 09: 40
    +4
    The author of the article modestly holds back that along with the harsh climate, which entails an increase in heating costs, we still got hydrocarbon reserves that can be used to level these costs. In addition to covering heating costs, export will also remain. So I do not agree in any way with the fact that the weather is to blame. It sounds funny in the end. We are to blame, the Russians and no one else. Until we recognize and realize this, we will go to the rural outhouse with a flashlight.
  45. was-witek
    was-witek 5 February 2016 09: 45
    0
    Only high-tech products and the responsibility of our financial and economic elite for the fate of Russia will help us. Today they live one day. They go where high profits can be achieved. With today's requests (as they consider), even on the development and implementation of small-scale pig-breeding complexes (profit of 6 million rubles per day), the business should not be developed. The most profitable is the sale of alcohol. Therefore, everyone is eager to go there. The monopoly that has always existed has been abolished thanks to the sensitive leadership of our incomparable drunk president B. Yeltsin.
  46. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 5 February 2016 09: 46
    +4
    The author, like A. Parshev, says obvious things!
    Emphasis on outstanding education, invention and creativity!
    Dumb mericos make crazy money out of thin air on the same software, which we could do much more successfully, given the far superior potential of our Russian brains. This is a consequence of the same geography. Well, you don’t need Papuans, Negroes and Arabs to think head off how to survive. Went, plucked a banana, had sex and swore under a tree with a hookah. Warm, even hot, good, and so, what for, nothing is needed.
    Plus healthy, practical protectionism. You cannot survive without him. It is perfectly clear that in the economic (and not only) bloc of the government, clear enemies of Russian statehood and the working people have settled. These characters and their puppeteers from big business, lobbying Western interests, naturally do not want to invest in long-term development, the commercial result of which will be in a few years, or even decades. Everyone wants to grab a piece here and now, and there the grass does not grow. Only degenerates do not think about how and where our children and grandchildren will live.
  47. afrikanez
    afrikanez 5 February 2016 09: 48
    +1
    It can be seen from above that such tests were sent to us. The Russian people must certainly pass them and survive. It’s a pity, of course, that there are so many blockheads in power that prevent Russia from developing in the right direction!
  48. Gomel
    Gomel 5 February 2016 10: 19
    +3
    Oh, okay, how many copies have been broken since the 18th century for the "climatic development of nations and economies"
    judging by these theories (a sufficient number of people are warm, not a hot temperate climate, humidity, regular precipitation, soil relief, etc.), then the territory of modern Eritrea and Ethiopia is the ideal place for super development ... yeah. I seriously google on the internet.
  49. triglav
    triglav 5 February 2016 10: 24
    +4
    Everyone must do their job. And to do it well, professionally. Thief officials should have their hands cut off. In public. On the Execution Ground. As in a distant history ... But seriously, the incompetent must be driven from everywhere. Hire for personal qualities, not personal connections. Professionals should work in the Government and the Duma: in lawmaking, in the economy, and in politics. The entire "fifth column" must be expelled from Russia. And not to listen to the scream from the West about human rights violations. Let them deal with these rights. To restore the foreign broadcasting system (television, radio, Internet) and "preach" the successes of Russia and the failures of everyone else. "Untie" the ruble from oil, and even more so from the dollar and the euro. And "tie" to gold. At least double the gold reserve. If they buy something from us, let them buy it for rubles. Determine with real partners, including those in business. Decide on a business. To ensure self-sufficiency in the country: food, medicines and medical products, clothing, footwear (everything you need), computer technology. Produce your own competitive. It is necessary to enter the world market with a quality product in any industry. Not with raw materials. Perhaps, except for rental. Etc.
  50. speelforce
    speelforce 5 February 2016 10: 24
    +2
    Correctly, of course, the costs are large, and the distances, and in general most of the country in permafrost. But how does this affect the country's potential? - Yes, no. We are inconvenient and disadvantageous from the point of view of the prevailing economic model in the world - robbing the weak, develop at the expense of the backward, but we are not weak and not backward. The trick is that if we have a huge and mostly still unclaimed potential in any field of activity, then the West no longer has it. And then their eyes turn to us in order to rob conveniently and pleasantly, it is necessary to make the country weak and backward, which, we are now observing in the Middle East. And the WTO is a club of interests where future victims are accepted for only one purpose, by soft methods to prove to the client that it is better for him to give up and agree that if he is robbed, then this is good - it’s been tested on beads and Indians, it was a long time ago, but the principle is the same. Once in the newfound America, it was cheaper to produce something and produce it seemed inconceivable stupidity, in England it is cheaper.