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Press conferences in Luxembourg were eagerly awaited both by people professionally involved in politics, economics and finance, and ... fans of science fiction and space. But something even more strange is that it may be of interest to sociologists, those who follow the labor market, and also the world economic cycles.

The Deputy Prime Minister of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, Etienne Schneider, announced 3 in February at a press conference about the start of the industrial asteroid exploration program. Translated into a more understandable language, this means that the Luxembourgers intend to mine valuable and rare minerals on asteroids and other space bodies.

Luxembourg is not a newcomer to space exploration. The Duchy played a prominent role in the development of satellite communications in the nineties of the last century. One of the largest global satellite operators is the Luxembourg company SES.

It is SES that, together with partners from the United States and European countries, will master asteroids and other space bodies in order to extract from them rare metals on Earth. At a press conference in Luxembourg, attended by representatives of the American companies Deep Space Industries and Planetary Resources, who will be partners of Luxembourgers.

Jean-Jacques Dordain, who headed the European Space Agency (ESA) until June 2015, and now works as an advisor in the Space Resources program, told the Financial Times (FT): “I am convinced that Luxembourg’s initiative has high potential for both science and for the economy. "

Cosmically high potential

It is for the economy, and for macroeconomics, although the former head of the ESA most likely had in mind the more modest goals of replenishing stocks of raw materials with Luxembourg, whose ability to extract it from its own depths is zero. In the acclaimed book "Does capitalism have a future?" One of the co-authors, the eminent sociologist Randall Collins, logically proves that in the foreseeable future there will be a real technological replacement of labor by machines. It was predicted by Marx, but it turned out to be delayed by 150 years due to the fact that the state and corporations found jobs for those who were driven by high-performance machines from factories. These people, that is, most of us, occupied the office work: the expanded state gave us work in the ministries, such as "labor and social security" or "culture", which in the XIX century under Marx and Engels had never heard of.

Giant corporations have overgrown with office workers who can compete with the state, instead of those modest offices, of which the former industrialists almost single-handedly had a cigar in their teeth and a gold chain on their stomachs. Innovation required many engineers who developed individual machine parts. This whole army of employees, specialists and skilled workers in semi-automated factories constituted the middle class.

But now office work is being supplanted. The computer itself has not yet generated unemployment, most likely creating new jobs in the same offices. But in developed countries, these places are becoming less and less, because modern methods of processing information still crowd out people. And the plants from the semi-become just automatic. The question arises: what to do with approximately one billion people of the world middle class, when will he remain without work?

Collins gives his answer - socialism. Not categorical, but probabilistic. Yes, it is possible. The government’s semi-coercive labor force management for employers and employees is able to temporarily silence the problem. But it is hardly possible to solve it in principle.

But just the birthplace of socialism gave another potential response to modern challenges, paving the way for mankind into space at one time. And then the answer to these challenges is: space. Its space is capable of absorbing labor resources, calculated not by a billion, which by terrestrial standards seems to be a lot of disbelief, but by infinite quantities. The mastering of asteroids in scale does not seem to be too laborious, but how is it to master Mars? Yes, and asteroids, which flies a great many, are able to attract labor in the scale of the entire modern earth's mining industry. But you still need to take into account the earth infrastructure, and the maintenance of space communications. So the popularity of "Star Wars" can be explained not only by the love of fiction, but also by the fact that mankind is gradually trying on its cosmic fate. Not to mention the popularity of Gagarin.

Is this not the answer to the direction of overcoming the current crisis, which is again acquiring the character of the world? For Russia, such an answer would be as organic as possible. Well, if Luxembourg got involved in space affairs ...

From the creation of the solar system there is still something left


Despite the fact that the extraction of raw materials in space, writes FT, seems to be something descended from the pages of science fiction books, in general, its technology has long been developed. It is already known how to get to the asteroid, how to drill a well in it and how to deliver rock samples back to Earth.

Etienne Schneider did not provide details of the project, because the Luxembourg Parliament has not yet allocated funds for it. According to preliminary calculations, the extraction of rare minerals on asteroids is a very expensive pleasure. We are talking about tens of billions of dollars. However, experts believe that the game is worth it, because the potential volume of a still non-existent market is estimated at trillions of dollars.

Asteroids are made up of materials preserved after the creation of the solar system. They are much richer in minerals of the earth's crust, because heavy metals, the most valuable and rare, as the cooling of our planet plunged to its core.

Extraction of raw materials from asteroids can be of two types. The most valuable metals, for example, of the platinum group, can be delivered to Earth after preliminary processing in space. Other minerals, including iron, nickel and tungsten, can be recycled in space for use in spaceships and instruments for further exploration of the solar system. The resulting water from the processing can be split into hydrogen and oxygen and used in rocket fuel.

The first phase of material extraction in space, exploration, is already in full swing. Deep Space Industries and Planetary Resources are currently working on a spacecraft, with which it will be possible to search for the richest and most valuable mineral-rich asteroids.

In addition to technical and financial problems, companies intending to mine raw materials in space will have to deal with legal difficulties. According to the Treaty on Space, signed by the leading economic powers in 1967 year, minerals in space are the property of all mankind. However, there is no specific mention of the extraction of raw materials on asteroids in the contract.

Last year, the United States passed the Law on the Competitiveness of Commercial Space Launches. According to him, the rights to minerals mined on asteroids belong to American companies. Many experts believe that this law violates the Outer Space Treaty of 1967. However, experts are confident that legal problems are completely surmountable and solvable.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 6 February 2016 06: 21 New
    15
    It is SES that will, together with partners from the USA and European countries, master asteroids and other cosmic bodies in order to extract metals rare from Earth from them.
    It looks like the US has decided to "democratize" space ...
    1. cyberspace
      cyberspace 6 February 2016 06: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      It looks like the US has decided to "democratize" space ...

      Or maybe the Europeans solved the refugee problem ...
      1. Kostyar
        Kostyar 6 February 2016 09: 01 New
        +5
        Yeah, don’t carry bags and don’t draw pussies on fences ...... "cosmonauts" eprst !!!
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 6 February 2016 11: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          It looks like the US has decided to "democratize" space ...

          The democratizer is still too small for these purposes, even if he grows up, an atom as in a joke:

          - What does a woman’s mind have when a man doesn’t grow up ... smile
    2. Blondy
      Blondy 6 February 2016 08: 09 New
      14
      Guys, this is Luxemburg, not huhry-muhry. I understand this: someone will have to deliver them there, set up the appropriate infrastructure, and they will mine, smelt, etc. that is, all sorts of high-tech delicate deeds, but all sorts of detailing "coffins" and software - it's below their dignity and understanding.
      1. CHILD
        CHILD 6 February 2016 09: 04 New
        +3
        you don’t understand ... they are serious ... they have an idea ... the question is how much will they receive for this idea?
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 6 February 2016 11: 45 New
          +1
          the question is how much will they receive for this idea ?,
          It seems that Americans either adopted the law, or they accept the invention stating any idea, even delusional is patented in the sachet, after which anyone using something similar in life will have to pay for a patent, even invented in feverish delirium. Now it’s not There is no technology to realize all these fantasies — an aim for the future.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 6 February 2016 19: 30 New
        +2
        Blondy

        What the hell? The Americans have already flown to the moon in a washing machine. So the type of technology worked out.

        By the way, the Internet is full of pictures of this washing machine with screws and piano loops. As well as peppy astronauts jumping like boys. After 7 days in 3 cubic meters of immobility and weightlessness. Relieves the need for diapers.

        Just do not think again about this topic. This is a word.
    3. GRAY
      GRAY 6 February 2016 09: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      It looks like the US has decided to "democratize" space ...

      They want to become a raw material power.
    4. Fat
      Fat 6 February 2016 18: 17 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      It is SES that will, together with partners from the USA and European countries, master asteroids and other cosmic bodies in order to extract metals rare from Earth from them.
      It looks like the US has decided to "democratize" space ...

      Only privatize first.
      Last year, the U.S. Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act was passed in the United States. According to it, the rights to minerals mined on asteroids belong to American companies.
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 7 February 2016 17: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Thick
        According to it, the rights to minerals mined on asteroids belong to American companies.

        Russia needs to pass a law on discoverer’s right. All space belongs to Russia, as the successor to the USSR.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 6 February 2016 06: 22 New
    +4
    would understand first on the sinful earth ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 6 February 2016 08: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      would understand first on the sinful earth ..

      What? Socialism to allow? Yes, not a joke! All those who disagree with the policy of the capitalists should be sent to space! It will cost them, the capitalists, cheaper.
      1. CHILD
        CHILD 6 February 2016 09: 06 New
        +2
        Well, obviously, we are technologically ready for communism ... but ideologically not very)))
        1. CHILD
          CHILD 6 February 2016 11: 18 New
          0
          And to some extent, they offer the surplus population through expansion to merge)))
          1. builder
            builder 6 February 2016 12: 14 New
            +9
            Quote: KIND
            And to some extent, they offer the surplus population through expansion to merge)))
  3. 34 region
    34 region 6 February 2016 06: 29 New
    0
    To launch spacecraft, you need fuel. How much is it and how much will it cost? Will asteroids be 100% recycled? And if not? Heaps of space debris dangerous for spacecraft will fly. How will the substance obtained by a private company be the property of mankind?
    1. 34 region
      34 region 6 February 2016 07: 10 New
      +1
      To fly to the asteroid, you need to launch a rocket with fuel. From the calculation, put into orbit, disperse to an asteroid, brake at the asteroid, collect ore and disperse to the ground, brake at the ground. And if the electronics failed? Let's say 1 thousand tons of ore with cosmic speed flop on the ground. What then will the arctic fox fly to us? In general, there are many questions.
  4. Alexdark
    Alexdark 6 February 2016 06: 49 New
    +7
    Someday we will definitely mine. This is an endless life of everything that is possible. But this is "someday" and not now, and certainly not in this century. Considering that no one can fly to the moon until now -_-. Not mature enough. Previously they could, now they can't. Laughter is solid (you get the idea).
    1. Delink
      Delink 6 February 2016 07: 08 New
      +1
      Given that so far no one can fly to the moon -_-. Not matured. Previously they could, now not. The laughter is continuous (well, you understand).

      Or maybe "someone" asked not to fly there to anyone)))))
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 6 February 2016 10: 17 New
        -3
        There are a lot of inexplicable phenomena on the Moon - glows, objects moving quickly along a complex path, inexplicable regular cavity shapes and much more ...
  5. Telemon
    Telemon 6 February 2016 06: 54 New
    +3
    Hello! Nice, you won’t say anything, but the men did not take into account one factor, namely: suddenly that asteroid had already been “staked out” by someone. Here's a star wars in nature; and without quotes ... repeat
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    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 6 February 2016 07: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: Telemont
      , namely: suddenly that asteroid has already been "staked out".

      Between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter there is a belt of asteroids, where their countless numbers of different sizes and for every taste fellow There is also a Kuiper belt beyond the orbit of Neptune, as well as clusters of scattered disk objects and the Oort cloud, but this is already far away. In general, it’s enough for everyone, and if someone staked out, choose another - there is nothing to click ... wink
      1. Telemon
        Telemon 6 February 2016 08: 10 New
        +3
        So there are also many empty bottles in the trash, but they are someone else's.
        . laughing
  6. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 6 February 2016 07: 08 New
    18
    Translated into a more understandable language, this means that Luxembourgers intend to mine valuable and rare minerals on asteroids and other space bodies.

    This is how you find out that the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg is the leading world space power. It’s interesting, and what are they going to fly to asteroids, even if the great and terrible empire is forced to buy space rocket engines in Russia. And even the sanctions of the Americans in this matter is not a hindrance.
    I have the honor.
  7. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 6 February 2016 07: 13 New
    +4
    Are going lol Complete delirium here on the moon, first create a base to extract helium 3 and they gathered on osteroids. Like Vladimir Semyonich "Well, what can you take?"
  8. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 6 February 2016 07: 15 New
    0
    The closer and more urgent task of mankind is the utilization of the fruits of the scientific and technological revolution, which littered the earth, rivers, seas and oceans, as well as near-Earth space. Mountains of garbage are growing, poisoning everything around them.
    Another point. When a person has work, then he does not have time to think about the meaning of life, getting his daily bread. When retiring, many are lost and quickly degrade. What to do and what to strive for in life is a question that not every person is able to solve independently. Do not watch a TV box. A creative goal is needed that organizes the entire earthly period of human life. In the USSR, such a goal was to build communism. She turned out to be false.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 6 February 2016 11: 48 New
      +3
      . In the USSR, such a goal was to build communism. She turned out to be false. ,,
      Are you sure or Svanidze told?
      1. 11 black
        11 black 6 February 2016 19: 13 New
        -1
        Quote: kotvov
        . In the USSR, such a goal was to build communism. She turned out to be false. ,,
        Are you sure or Svanidze told?

        No, just the USSR fell apart yes
        Communism is a utopia, as well as ideal democracy - almost built for 100 years and how - did you like it?
        All this time, the workers in the "decaying west" lived better than in the USSR, and in fact in its ideology everyone was told,
        (or rather, they lied) that the proletarians of all countries dream of living in the great and mighty. And when people saw how the "decaying West" actually lives, this lie pulled away. And the dictatorship of the proletariat is far from the best system.
        You see, in the ideology of the USSR itself there was an impossible lie. If the country thought more about the standard of living, and did not cut it in favor of endless military projects (within reasonable limits, of course) and lied less to its citizens, possibly enemies, and would not have been able to detonate this bomb.
        1. 11 black
          11 black 6 February 2016 19: 23 New
          -1
          Quote: 11 black
          No, just the USSR fell apart yes
          Communism is a utopia, as well as ideal democracy - almost built for 100 years and how - did you like it?
          All this time, the workers in the "decaying west" lived better than in the USSR, and in fact in its ideology everyone was told,
          (or rather, they lied) that the proletarians of all countries dream of living in the great and mighty. And when people saw how the "decaying West" actually lives, this lie pulled away. And the dictatorship of the proletariat is far from the best system.
          You see, in the ideology of the USSR itself there was an impossible lie. If the country thought more about the standard of living, and did not cut it in favor of endless military projects (within reasonable limits, of course) and lied less to its citizens, possibly enemies, and would not have been able to detonate this bomb.

          Look, the great army of Stalinists-goofs-all-crawlers will attack. laughing
  9. ML-334
    ML-334 6 February 2016 07: 19 New
    +2
    All previous civilizations left behind only mysteries, but we leave the garbage of our life. We need to reveal our MIND, go to God, and we don’t have to fly anywhere. By and large, they won’t let us go anywhere.
    1. Villon
      Villon 6 February 2016 10: 39 New
      +2
      Yes. it's true. Their idea is very simple. Pollute the Earth and fly to asteroids.
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 7 February 2016 17: 20 New
        0
        Standard thinking is the philosophy of parasitism. Gnawed - move on
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 February 2016 07: 26 New
    +5
    Luxembourgers intend to mine valuable and rare minerals on asteroids and other space bodies

    Obviously, the duchy has not yet been affected by European problems, since they have taken up the tasks of the near future. Let's hope that in N years they will solve this problem, if by that time the Grand Duchy exists.
  11. Bayonet
    Bayonet 6 February 2016 07: 32 New
    11
    It's okay, well, people gathered, talked about the distant prospects for the future. Yesterday, we were seriously discussing how to dig a canal through Iran. smile
    1. kare
      kare 6 February 2016 08: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Bayonet
      Bayonet (5) RU Today, 07: 32 New

      It's okay, well, people gathered, talked about the distant prospects for the future. Yesterday, we were seriously discussing how to dig a canal through Iran. smile


      Alexander hi On which branch was the discussion of the channel through Iran?
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      2. gjv
        gjv 6 February 2016 10: 33 New
        0
        Although not Alexander, I will answer nevertheless.
        Bypassing the Bosphorus
        http://topwar.ru/90365-v-obhod-bosfora.html
        1. kare
          kare 6 February 2016 18: 52 New
          0
          Quote: gjv
          gjv (3) RU Today, 10: 33 ↑

          Although not Alexander, I will answer nevertheless.
          Bypassing the Bosphorus
          http://topwar.ru/90365-v-obhod-bosfora.html

          hi
  12. magirus401
    magirus401 6 February 2016 07: 36 New
    +6
    The closer and more urgent task of mankind is the utilization of the fruits of the scientific and technological revolution, which littered the earth, rivers, seas and oceans, as well as near-Earth space. Mountains of garbage are growing, poisoning everything around them.

    That's right, they dirtied the earth, dirtied the cosmos, and then we will collect it there, there will be no unemployment for a long time
  13. cap
    cap 6 February 2016 07: 36 New
    +3
    "Last year, the United States passed the Law on the Competitiveness of Commercial Space Launches. According to it, the rights to minerals extracted on asteroids belong to American companies. Many experts believe that this law violates the Space Treaty of 1967. However, experts are sure that that legal problems are completely surmountable and solvable. "
    In order to accept all sorts of "Luxemburgs" did not climb.
    Documents are already ready for the moon, they will take on asteroids.
    “In August 1945, at the Potsdam Conference, Stalin made a statement that plunged all the leaders of the countries into a state of shock. Stalin proposed neither more nor less to discuss the issue and sign an agreement on the division of the moon. Given the fact that the USSR played the main role in the victory over fascism, the best sites on the moon should belong to him. “The moon. We have already agreed on Germany. I mean the moon. And keep in mind, Mr. President, the Soviet Union has enough strength and technical capabilities to prove our priority in the most serious way. ”
    “Neither Truman nor Churchill gave an answer to Stalin’s proposal, saying that this issue should be studied as a new one for them, all the more not included in the agenda of the Potsdam Conference. However, Stalin did not expect to receive an It was important for him to be the first to announce to the US and Great Britain about the USSR's intentions to divide the Moon, as well as the leader's unspoken desire to colonize the Moon. "
    They say that this is an invention of journalists. Not for that they say. To silence the priority. How then to explain the said "Law on Competitiveness ..."
    That something like this.
  14. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 6 February 2016 07: 43 New
    +5
    BSK. Bullshit. At least for the next century.
  15. Hooks
    Hooks 6 February 2016 07: 55 New
    +2
    Interestingly, is Ukraine also involved in the development program? After all, there was somewhere a comet made of alcohol, I doubt that the Reichscholattenführer missed this opportunity.
    1. Barnaul, Altai
      Barnaul, Altai 6 February 2016 11: 36 New
      0
      Ahaha! Reichscholattenführer laughing
      Can I steal this neologism?
      wink
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 6 February 2016 12: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Barnaul, Altai
        Can I steal this neologism?

        Here you have more neologisms)))) hi drinks laughing
        1. aiw
          aiw 6 February 2016 12: 46 New
          +1
          Uh ... it seemed to me more practical to make shoulder straps from pork skin ;-)
          1. Raven1972
            Raven1972 6 February 2016 13: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: aiw
            Uh ... it seemed to me more practical to make shoulder straps from pork skin ;-)

            Nope, it’s even more practical - it’s such a special linear FAT (at the same time, dry it just in case lol ) bully
            1. aiw
              aiw 6 February 2016 13: 40 New
              +2
              That not, the neighbor is cheating at night ...
  16. vobels
    vobels 6 February 2016 07: 56 New
    +2
    "..the Luxembourg parliament has not yet allocated funds for it. According to preliminary calculations, the extraction of rare minerals on asteroids is a very expensive pleasure. We are talking about tens of billions of dollars .." I wonder: where does this country get such a means?
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 6 February 2016 10: 21 New
      +1
      Luxembourg is the country with the highest public debt per capita.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 6 February 2016 11: 55 New
        0
        are you sure? ,, 25,3
        (in% of GDP)
        in 2020, do not confuse the debt of the state and the debt of companies.
  17. hotrod
    hotrod 6 February 2016 07: 59 New
    +1
    Nenene, you do not understand. Tens of billions of investments, jobs for hundreds of millions (!) Of people. Gentlemen, this is a new bubble. The United States removed the cream from the dotcoms, the United States again from the shale revolution, from this they decided to get a gesheft in Luxembourg.
  18. paxil
    paxil 6 February 2016 08: 02 New
    +2
    Dreamers laughing Eshkin cat. Another star program to thoroughly milk and throw someone lol
  19. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 6 February 2016 08: 13 New
    0
    I think we can come to something like the Matrix. The virtual world will completely replace the real one for most people, leaving it chosen.
    1. forumow
      forumow 6 February 2016 20: 11 New
      +1
      This is a more realistic option! But rather the "chosen ones" will multiply the majority by zero without any unnecessary complications like the Matrix.
      The employment of billions of people in space, supplanted by the progressive automation of jobs on Earth, also raises questions. IMHO, in the case of the implementation of industrial space projects, once there automation will be introduced initially, so people, especially in some incredible quantities, will not be needed even more so!
      So the future of the majority of the world's population, unless scientific and technological super-breakthroughs happen, such as the discovery of the principle of super light movement that allows us to disperse humanity throughout the galaxy and beyond, is sad, and not even in the long term.
  20. beck
    beck 6 February 2016 08: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Bayonet
    Between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter there is a belt of asteroids, where their countless numbers of different sizes and for every taste


    so this is the wreckage of the planet Phaeton, and not the building material of the universe. and why exactly asteroids, and not the Moon, which is closer, or Mars on which it seems like they found water, because it’s more difficult to land on an asteroid and then fly up. something the bourgeoisie doesn't finish, something else they have in mind winked
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 6 February 2016 11: 56 New
      0
      , something else on their mind winked ,,
      and on their mind they are MMM.
  21. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 6 February 2016 08: 53 New
    +4
    In the first half of the 60s, it also seemed that people were about to begin to populate the solar system. Designed planetary bases, planned manned flights, up to Jupiter. None of this happened; now designing kilogram nanosatellites. They are not bad, but as part of the task of mastering the system, they mean nothing.

    There is no technology and no desire.
    LRE absorb a huge amount of fossil fuel - where to get it? All other traction systems are self-censored and not discussed by anyone except the authors of series and science fiction writers.

    The issue of radiation has not been resolved.

    And who said that if the development of the system suddenly begins, then people, and not machines, will do this? Why?

    IMHO, the discussion of the article must be moved to the future for 100 years.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 6 February 2016 10: 52 New
      0
      The development of technology is happening irregularly.
      40 years have passed from the appearance of the first aircraft to the first rocket that went into space.
      At the current level of energy and engine building, the massive settlement of space is unrealistic, but this does not mean that all this will not happen literally tomorrow.
    2. Barnaul, Altai
      Barnaul, Altai 6 February 2016 11: 42 New
      +1
      The issue of radiation here is the main one.
      Therefore, space will be mastered by robots, not people, until this issue is resolved.
      But still, I think that the article deals with the employment of people precisely on the earth: the construction of apparatuses, robots, software, flight monitoring, etc. ...
  22. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 6 February 2016 08: 58 New
    +1
    Until they develop field theory and build field engines — all from the field of unscientific fiction — costs exceed revenues.
    But this does not threaten Russia - the commission on pseudoscience at the Russian Academy of Sciences, created by the Jew Ginzburg, will not allow spending state money on projects such as "Spin-torsion interactions" and other nonsense. And the fact that scientists leave to work in other countries is their problem, there is a lot of oil and gas in Russia.
    1. aiw
      aiw 6 February 2016 11: 28 New
      +1
      So far, no torsion theory has ever received any reliable experimental confirmation. The only gravitap in the world launched into kosoms by Russia does not work.

      And classes in torsionism and raging anti-Semitism will not stop the brain drain from the Russian Federation, rather the opposite.
      1. pilot bin-bom
        pilot bin-bom 6 February 2016 13: 09 New
        0
        Evo how! So the Chinese are fools, since they are setting up an experiment to transfer the quantum state of a photon to 120 km? This is a direct confirmation of the theory of spin interaction.
        1. aiw
          aiw 6 February 2016 13: 30 New
          +2
          What does spin-interaction (spin-by the way) have to do with torsionism ???
  23. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 6 February 2016 09: 14 New
    0
    And I think that the idea is not bad. Let it be impossible now, but the task is ambitious and can give a new impetus to space exploration.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 6 February 2016 11: 59 New
      +1
      And I think that the idea is not bad. Let it be unrealizable now, but the task will be ambitious and can give a new impetus to space research. ,,
      here is the result, one has already been taken. Do you already have a flying saucer in the garage?
  24. vladimir_krm
    vladimir_krm 6 February 2016 09: 34 New
    +1
    The great space power Luxembourg ... in which they did not hear the proverb "Overseas, a heifer is a half, and a ruble is a ferry" ... Robots and computers that have driven people out not only from production, but also from offices. Horror story for hamsters. How about miners, for example? There is a lot of work on earth in which it is, in principle, impossible to do without people. The authors have taken off the ground and are hovering somewhere in space :)
    1. aiw
      aiw 6 February 2016 11: 23 New
      -2
      Modern sinking shields require minimal human participation with tremendous productivity. In developed countries, nobody with a jackhammer already fills the trolleys and does not manually attach the trolleys.
  25. Mentor
    Mentor 6 February 2016 10: 29 New
    +3
    Well, an asteroid can be delivered to Luxembourg now. It’s expensive, of course, and it’s impossible to brake it, so all Europe will get it. Let Luxembourg agree on the subsequent sharing of the wreckage of the asteroid, the Luxembourgers (if any of them remain).
    But seriously, prudent people are pledged for the future, but in the present they are already sucking another MMM in the present.
  26. sa-ag
    sa-ag 6 February 2016 10: 41 New
    +1
    "... It is SES that, together with partners from the United States and European countries, will explore asteroids and other cosmic bodies in order to extract rare metals on Earth from them."

    Well, what kind of nonsense is it to bring raw materials to the Earth from space, it is necessary to create a full or almost complete processing cycle to products with high added value, primarily oriented to the needs of space development, a kind of space industrial complex, by the way, refueling is also best done there, to For example, the planetoid Europe is mostly water ice, a nuclear mobile power plant, an electrolyzer, a pair of robots for ice production, turbo expanders for gas liquefaction, plus capacities, and from there if needed, if there is an ice asteroid it is even better due to low energy consumption during transportation

    In general, who would have come up with a way to produce oxygen on the moon, there in the regolith up to 40%
  27. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 6 February 2016 10: 52 New
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    "Rare on earth"metals, such as the aforementioned platinoids, are produced on Earth by transmutation in nuclear reactors and then buried in SNF.

    "Fragmentation"The nuclei after fission in the periodic table lie in the range from germanium to erbium with two concentration peaks - one in the region of the platinum group elements ruthenium, rhodium, palladium (light fragments), and the other in the region of cesium, barium, rare earths (heavy fragments).

    So SNF is a new type of ore. smile

    There are calculations on planetitoids; taking into account the rate of SNF accumulation, very soon the amount of platinoids buried will be equal to the amount of their industrial reserves.

    Retrieve cheaper than haul from asteroids.
  28. Old26
    Old26 6 February 2016 10: 52 New
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    The idea of ​​directing free human resources into space for the development of the same minerals on asteroids is far from new. But also not relevant. It will be necessary to turn to her in about 200 years
  29. RomanS
    RomanS 6 February 2016 10: 55 New
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    A strange topic for discussion, and even representatives of Luxembourg. Was it a science fiction gathering? For more than 40 years, no one has even flown to the moon. Although the rocket is (was), and the technology, and astronauts are available (almost all). And the main space power of the United States, during this time, succeeded in one thing: in words, not backed up by deeds. But then she appropriated the Moon, and other planets and asteroids in the Solar System. After all, legal issues are "not an issue" for states.
    1. aiw
      aiw 6 February 2016 11: 31 New
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      Actually, in the USA, launches with a returnable first stage go to the stream. We also had such projects in the 2000s, even showed models on the MAX - and where is it all?
      1. Barnaul, Altai
        Barnaul, Altai 6 February 2016 11: 49 New
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        And where are these launches? When they will fly with the periodicity of our missiles - then we can talk about the success of the pindoproject to return the first stages ...
        In the meantime, this, in my opinion, is an expensive American PR ...
        1. aiw
          aiw 6 February 2016 12: 20 New
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          Are you banned in Google at all? Sorry...

          since 2010, 21 launches, one of them unsuccessful, one partially successful (loss of related cargo), the rest are completely successful. Given that the rocket is new, this is a very good indicator. By returning the steps, they will work out the procedure.

          Only for 2016 another two dozen launches are planned.

          When will something fundamentally new fly here? Updated control systems for old missiles, well done - and where are the breakthrough solutions? What wonderful projects were at the turn of the 1990-2000s - where is there anything in hardware? Or will we rely on the ruble exchange rate?

          I’m not talking about the manufacture of satellites, now putting into orbit is an ordinary technical moment, the struggle is for the development and manufacture of high-quality products that are being launched. And here we are in the deepest .ope ;-(
  30. Pre-cat
    Pre-cat 6 February 2016 11: 29 New
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    You giggle early. Luxembourg is a very difficult country. Despite a large external debt, due to favorable conditions and an offshore zone in the capital, approx. 1000 investment funds and more than 200 banks - more than in any other city in the world. 4th place in the world in terms of income (in 2010, $ 128 per person per year.). So in vain they will not raise a wave. Most likely everything is agreed with the banks, they will give money. But it will be some kind of scam, or the matter is not yet clear.
  31. Mentor
    Mentor 6 February 2016 12: 57 New
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    Quote: aiw
    Are you banned in Google at all? Sorry...

    since 2010, 21 launches, one of them unsuccessful, one partially successful (loss of related cargo), the rest are completely successful. Given that the rocket is new, this is a very good indicator. By returning the steps, they will work out the procedure.

    Only for 2016 another two dozen launches are planned.

    When will something fundamentally new fly here? Updated control systems for old missiles, well done - and where are the breakthrough solutions? What wonderful projects were at the turn of the 1990-2000s - where is there anything in hardware? Or will we rely on the ruble exchange rate?

    I’m not talking about the manufacture of satellites, now putting into orbit is an ordinary technical moment, the struggle is for the development and manufacture of high-quality products that are being launched. And here we are in the deepest .ope ;-(

    This is a dead-end road, and I do not understand the enthusiasm for the active landing of the launch vehicle. First, at launch, the rocket carries fuel with it to return, which reduces its performance. Secondly, the impact of jet engines on the site requires its strengthening, and rigidly ties the landing site to a certain point. And most importantly, all these Falcons, Dragons and other animals exist only on the money of American taxpayers, thanks to orders from NASA. Orders will stop, etc. "private cosmonautics" will again descend to the level of modeling in the cosmonautics circles of the Palace of Pioneers.
    1. aiw
      aiw 6 February 2016 13: 34 New
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      Are you a rocket engineer? Even if so, you too can be mistaken. If they have this thing to work and be profitable - then this is a working path, one of many.

      As for money, in different countries the distribution of money occurs in different ways, it cannot be unambiguously said that some option is better. Es-no NASA and the state is a major customer in the launch market, with time and private traders will catch up.

      Amer’s model of distribution of radio frequency converters as a rule turns out to be more effective than our state corporations. And the flights of the Falcoans confirm this - our hangar has not yet flown yet ...
      1. Mentor
        Mentor 6 February 2016 15: 56 New
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        Yes, I am an engineer-economist. No, in rocket science I'm an amateur, and I read everything that appears on the internet. A system will become cost-effective, only with a price of $ 1000 per kilogram of payload (at least the Americans say so). And if governments begin to subsidize this system (as wind energy subsidizes in the EU), then profitability is not far off.
        PS By the way, "Angara" still flew.
        1. aiw
          aiw 6 February 2016 18: 41 New
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          Two hangar launches (of which one is in ICBM mode) versus 20 Falcon launches - well, ok we will assume that it flew. Although if you look at the development dates ... somehow it didn’t fly very well.

          Profitability is determined not by the absolute price, but by comparison with the prices of analogues, ceteris paribus. And if falcons become cheaper than protons, then the market will switch to falcons - as an economist you must understand this. How exactly they can discount the price is the second question.
  32. iouris
    iouris 6 February 2016 13: 23 New
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    I think this means that the EU has embarked on a program to achieve technological independence from the United States. The words "Luxembourg" and "Asteroids" are disguises. They have already flown to the moon, Obama is flying to Mars, starting from the second term.
    The implementation of such a program requires a concentration of resources and finances at the supranational level. What happens is not important, the most important is breakthrough technology.
    Today cars and household appliances are created using the technologies of the US "lunar program".
  33. Igor V
    Igor V 6 February 2016 13: 45 New
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    "Now working on such a ship"
    Oh well...
  34. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 February 2016 14: 07 New
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    I have not read such nonsense. Currently, no valuable minerals WILL PURCHASE their extraction on asteroids. They won’t even pay back a thousandth.
  35. Stiletto_711
    Stiletto_711 6 February 2016 19: 12 New
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    If you seriously look at this problem, the most logical option is to choose a suitable stone in space and put it into Earth’s orbit to extract minerals. But what to do with waste rock? This is a wonderful kit for creating an orbital weapon system with kinetic damaging elements, i.e. you can stupidly throw stones :-) Luxembourg will have a chance to solve all the demographic problems of our planet in one fell swoop :-)
  36. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 6 February 2016 19: 20 New
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    Quote: aiw
    What does spin-interaction (spin-by the way) have to do with torsionism ???

    Yeah How it all starts. You still repeat that genetics and cybernetics are pseudoscience.
    And what is spin-torsion interaction, how do you need to read the theory of physical vacuum, described in the works of Shipov and Akimov, although for this you need at least a good university education in physics and mathematics.
    In short, the Chinese put the experiment (you can find it in Net), transfer the excited state of a photon from a laboratory on Earth to a physical "trap" placed on the satellite.
    1. aiw
      aiw 6 February 2016 21: 31 New
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      Would you at least familiarize yourself with the physics of the question ... The Chinese are conducting an experiment on quantum entanglement based on the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen effect (by the way, two of them are Jews, and Einstein was generally a bogeyman for all torsionists, does it bother you?). Quantum entanglement and the Chinese experiment have nothing to do with Shipov-Akimov's "work". The Shipov-Akimov theory has not received any experimental confirmation, in contrast to Einstein's theory of relativity, which has been repeatedly confirmed experimentally and even used in practice.

      Do you want to argue with me about physics? Let's! Tell me, under what conditions does the stationary Schrödinger equation have a discrete energy spectrum? This is a trivial question for a third-year student, and do not say that it is not related to the discussion of the Kitau experiment - this is one of the foundations of quat physics, in which Chinese people study the notorious quantum teleportation, and the spin concept is purely quantum. S?
      1. pilot bin-bom
        pilot bin-bom 6 February 2016 23: 13 New
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        Quantum entanglement and the Chinese experiment have nothing to do with Shipov-Akimov's "work". The Shipov-Akimov theory has not received any experimental confirmation.

        Read the works of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences for 1998-1999. Including data on the characteristics of the alloys after exposure.
        You can also recommend the book "Consciousness and Physical Reality" - if, of course, you find it - a very rare thing.
        1. aiw
          aiw 7 February 2016 00: 10 New
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          In the scientific world, it is customary to give exact references. Judging by the fact that you did not answer my question, you do not even know the basics of quantum physics. I can recommend you, for example, to read Landau and Lifshitz or FLF - you can understand why the Shipov-Akimov theory is enchanting nonsense.


          "Consciousness and physical reality

          V.M. German

          Idealistic interpretations of the achievements of modern cosmology, particle physics, the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics, presented in a popular scientific form. It is shown that the world in modern terms is increasingly looking like a grandiose logical scheme. The most reliable cases of telepathy, foresight, and experiments with psychedelics are discussed. A picture of the world is proposed in which consciousness plays a decisive role.
          "

          This? There is also a magazine of the same name, there about bioenergyinformatics - the same sort of nonsense.

          You see, physics is still an experimental science, and I am a physicist. I repeat, so far all these alternative theories have not received any experimental evidence.

          When you wear a foil hat, do not forget to ground it, otherwise it does not work without grounding - this is a fact experimentally proved by Tesla and Faraday.
          1. pilot bin-bom
            pilot bin-bom 7 February 2016 14: 16 New
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            So much for the exact link, you are our relative - read Kurt Hübner at your leisure
            1. aiw
              aiw 7 February 2016 15: 09 New
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              Aren't you tired of public disgrace? We are talking about physics, and you all refer to philosophers ... remember theologians (how many angels fit on the tip of the needle) and Levashov Sharlatan Sharlatanovich - that was a noble torsioner.

              Learn to match.
  37. gladcu2
    gladcu2 6 February 2016 19: 38 New
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    Typically, such conferences are a visualization of work on discarded grants from which kickbacks have already been mastered.

    But social societies are already switching to biorboats at the time. And it’s not clear what they mean by the middle class.

    More on this is not worth it. They will hang noodles for a long time and abstruse.
  38. potalevl
    potalevl 6 February 2016 21: 18 New
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    Mattress makers wanted to give a damn about all the laws that prevent them from playing a major role in achieving certain goals. The Russian leadership is trying to adhere to the norms of international law, which the United States and its allies spit on. Therefore, in the eyes of the world community, Russia acts as an outcast, about which every scum, such as barracks-erdogans, merkeli-strandbergs and other lousy shalupoons, are ready to wipe their stinking rat paws. Therefore, as the song says: "With an unbreakable wall, we will defeat the steel defense, we will destroy the enemy." Something like this.
  39. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 6 February 2016 21: 21 New
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    Well, you have to send a small asteroid to the address of these companies! laughing
  40. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 6 February 2016 22: 06 New
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    The current economic model of capitalism, into which Russia has "successfully" harnessed itself, presupposes an accelerated consumption of the natural resources of the planet Earth. As a result, their greedy eyes are already turned to the resources of space. Capitalism is simply expanding into space and nothing more, and therefore all the shortcomings of this system will also be reflected in the methods of developing mining in space. Space will become a place of exile for the unwanted, whose slave labor will bring profit to the already trans-space companies. But thank God this may not be possible - transnational companies are more likely to unleash a new world war. since greed gives rise to ideological stupidity. If humanity does not get rid of the fairy tale of "good and eternal" capitalism, then no global space exploration will take place! tongue
  41. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 7 February 2016 00: 34 New
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    Russia has its own cosmos - Siberia and the Far East, northern Russia, and the shelf.
  42. Alexander Pe
    Alexander Pe 7 February 2016 03: 15 New
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    It is necessary, it is necessary - it’s time for us to get down to business! And then we all sit in our sandbox or like cockroaches in a jar.
    And others EVERY day to work fly inside "our" Sun on ash peels measuring (length) tens and hundreds of thousands of kilometers.
    Here, for example, January 16.01.2016, 2: 770 objects - 200 thousand and XNUMX thousand km., Or maybe this is one, only divided, flying up to the Sun.

    http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/browse/2016/01/16/ahead/euvi/195/2048/20160116

    _155530_n4euA_195.jpg

    I watch them every day and have noticed (more than once) that they are attracted by strong solar flares.
    At first, from the side of the alleged ejection, a bunch of pepelatsy midges accumulate, and after 4-8 hours "rods" appear in tens and hundreds of thousands of kilometers.
    What do they want there?
    There are different versions, but, probably, they are not crazy about fat.
    Well, we need to start small - with asteroids, the Moon, Mars.
    Enough for all billions.

    Here is the address for those who want to watch our neighbors in the SS.
    http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/browse/2016/01/16/ahead/euvi/195/2048/
    Photographing is carried out from 2 STEREO satellites in Earth orbit: Ahead and Behind.
    Date (year, month, day) and satellite name are inserted into the address yourself.
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  44. Tanarri
    Tanarri 7 February 2016 05: 35 New
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    The author raised an interesting issue.
    There are three ways out of the automation of production: socialism, population decline, and the colonization of space. The trick is that machines can also "dig asteroids" without our participation. There are again only two ways out.
    1. forumow
      forumow 7 February 2016 16: 41 New
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      It is true that the capitalist elite will make efforts to reduce the population, because due to the progress of the automation of jobs, labor resources will be much less in demand, and they need to feed billions of unemployed people for free. And the planet's resources are not unlimited, so the struggle for them will intensify. And either they will succeed, or the rest will arrange a new 1917 for them, on a global scale. The elites have better chances - their cohesion and organization are not in doubt. The "cattle" have chances only if they are organized and led by someone. The new ideological socialists / communists, who are so "sick" for the idea, as their predecessors of the late XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries. now, in a noticeable number, something is not observed. Only much more marginal Islamic fundamentalists with medieval ideals, unattractive to most people in Western and Western-like countries, which are the majority today. However, even if communism takes over the entire planet, it will still have to reduce the population, in one way or another, for example, this was done in China.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 7 February 2016 17: 09 New
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        Quote: forumow
        However, even if communism takes over the entire planet, it will still be necessary to reduce the population, one way or another, for example, this was done in China.

        This is based on what such calculations?
  45. Orionvit
    Orionvit 8 February 2016 02: 52 New
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    Does anyone say what kind of delusional article this is? I love science fiction myself, but that's why it's fantastic. They wrote correctly above, let them first fly to the moon, and then we'll see. I also found Luxembourg cosmonauts, conquerors of asteroids. So far, in terms of space flights, no one has jumped above Russia. So, as they say d.u.r.a.ch.o.k. riches rich.
  46. Orionvit
    Orionvit 8 February 2016 03: 09 New
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    Quote: Cat undereducated
    You giggle early. Luxembourg is a very difficult country. Despite a large external debt, due to favorable conditions and an offshore zone in the capital, approx. 1000 investment funds and more than 200 banks - more than in any other city in the world. 4th place in the world in terms of income (in 2010, $ 128 per person per year.). So in vain they will not raise a wave. Most likely everything is agreed with the banks, they will give money. But it will be some kind of scam, or the matter is not yet clear.

    That's just the point, that is not simple. All these funds and banks, exaggerated financial illusion. Let's see how they survive the coming financial crisis. If finances are not confirmed by the real industrial sector, then these countries are worthless parasites, such as Luxembourg. Before the great depression in the states, everyone played on the stock exchange, and believed that it would be forever. Until one black Tuesday, everyone together became poor, except for the real owners of money. So I think the fate of Luxembourg, fate will not be enviable.
  47. bve56
    bve56 15 February 2016 17: 30 New
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    "It is SES that, together with partners from the United States and European countries, will explore asteroids and other space bodies in order to extract rare metals on Earth from them."

    When do we get smarter? Have you mastered the moon? Did you get many useful minerals? It sounds ridiculous at the moment. This is usually called the word PR. For the coming decades - stupid PR. ready to bet for the next couple of decades. I note that nothing is specifically said about the moon.

    Serge Babkov