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Minsk and Moscow agree on the supply of Su-30 fighters to the Belarusian Air Force

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The Belarusian and Russian sides have reached a preliminary agreement on the delivery of Su-30 fighter jets to the republic’s air force, which will partially replace the outdated MiG-29, reports MIC with reference to the Deputy Minister of Defense of Belarus Igor Lotenkov.




“The Belarusian MiG-29 has been around for 30 years,” noted the deputy minister. “Having counted on what their content pours out to us, we came to the conclusion that updating the fleet of aircraft, albeit in a slightly smaller number, would require less significant amounts of funding.

According to him, “at 558, the aircraft repair plant in Baranavichy has already mastered the repair and maintenance of the Su-30”.

At the end of 2015, the head of the Ministry of Defense of Belarus, Andrei Ravkov, stated that “during the implementation of military-technical cooperation with the Russian Federation, the republic plans to acquire Su-30 fighters”, in addition, the purchase of Yak-130 aircraft and TOR-M2 anti-aircraft complexes will continue.
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  1. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 4 February 2016 18: 37
    21
    I’m just for it. Modern airplanes of Belarus and the CSTO will be a response to strengthening Poland and NATO as a whole. And I don’t doubt that the equipment will be in reliable and skillful hands.
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 4 February 2016 18: 41
      18
      And what can you vote? laughing
      ... Well then I am also for! yes
      But the best answer to all enemies would be our children, Russians, many. And if families have 1-2 children, what will happen to the country in 100 years?
      1. 73bor
        73bor 4 February 2016 18: 53
        +9
        About the increase in the number of children in the family, I am in favor, I already have three heads — who plus more at once!
        1. 30BIS
          30BIS 4 February 2016 19: 19
          +4
          I have already worked on the number of children. ... Passing the baton to the young! Good luck in a pleasant and raising the number of children! Forward! Comrades in Arms !! Or are we not men .. !! already
        2. ksv1973
          ksv1973 4 February 2016 20: 25
          12
          Quote: 73bor
          About the increase in the number of children in the family, I am in favor, I already have three heads — who plus more at once!

          Give me at least a thousand "minuses", I have no children. Not everyone can take a spoonful of happiness. But I won't leave my wife. And I won't go to the left.
      2. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 4 February 2016 20: 27
        13
        "The Belarusian and Russian sides have reached a preliminary agreement on the supply of Su-30 fighters to the air force of the republic"

        I like these "Minsk Agreements" much more.
    2. Letun
      Letun 4 February 2016 18: 45
      +4
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      I am for it.

      Wow! Well, now you can definitely sleep peacefully!
    3. svp67
      svp67 4 February 2016 18: 47
      +2
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      I am for it
      I support that the appearance of the Su30 in Belarus is a very strong deterrent to NATO expansion to the east ...
      1. avt
        avt 4 February 2016 18: 59
        20
        Quote: svp67
        , the appearance of the Su30 in Belarus is a very strong deterrent to NATO expansion to the east ...

        wassat With what fright then? A real deterrent, which our probable friends really feared, would be the deployment of a full-fledged base of the Russian Federation in Belarus with planning, within the framework of the CSTO, to cover the airspace and work out interaction with the army of Belarus on the ground to protect it from external aggression. At least at the level of USA in Turkey in Injerlik.
        1. Douglas
          Douglas 4 February 2016 22: 53
          +5
          A real deterrent, which our probable friends really feared, would be the deployment of a full-fledged base of the Russian Federation in Belarus with planning, within the framework of the CSTO, to cover the airspace and work out interaction with the army of Belarus on the ground to protect it from external aggression. At least at the level of USA in Turkey in Injerlik.


          Dear friend, what are you talking about about this base all the time. Let it be a base, or maybe it already. Only to voice it, this is not the time now. We only began to improve relations with Europe. The sanctions were temporarily removed for us, so there is no point in shouting. THINK THINK AND THINK
          1. Marconi41
            Marconi41 5 February 2016 00: 22
            +2
            Quote: Douglas
            The sanctions were lifted for us temporarily, so there is no point in shouting. THINK THINK AND THINK

            That's for sure. Your Old Man knows how to move his brains. The big ones will not get into a fight, so there is no official base yet. But the problem was solved in a different way. Therefore, information about the supply of the SU-30 surfaced. And I think that the money for this business will be allocated by the Russian Federation itself (such as a loan), which it will then write off. The reason for this is the strengthening of the CSTO
            1. Douglas
              Douglas 5 February 2016 00: 32
              0
              That's for sure. Your Old Man knows how to move his brains. The big ones will not get into a fight, so there is no official base yet. But the problem was solved in a different way. Therefore, information about the supply of the SU-30 surfaced. And I think that the money for this business will be allocated by the Russian Federation itself (such as a loan), which it will then write off. The reason for this is the strengthening of the CSTO

              Beautifully wrote hi
        2. derik1970
          derik1970 5 February 2016 07: 01
          +1
          I agree with you. The previous comments were written as if a carbon copy and were not in the subject ... and this leads to certain thoughts hi
      2. Talgat
        Talgat 4 February 2016 19: 00
        14
        In general, I wanted to say that the most advanced should be where the real enemy is. That is, to us in KZ, for example, while China is "smiling", nothing super is needed, but everything is needed on the western border.

        Recently I read about the delivery of the first Su-30s to our Kazakh aviation. Before that, there were materials that asked the price for the MiG-35. Clear. that the fleet of fighters in KZ. although it is large in comparison with other republics of the post-Soviet territory (of course, except for the Russian Federation), it is becoming obsolete, and the modernization of the Su-27 fleet in Belarus and the presence of the MiG 31 will save the situation now - but in the near future, an update is needed. And the Su-30 seems to be optimal in terms of quality - price. There is no NATO bloc here and an advantage in the region will be ensured + taking into account the common air defense with Russia and the possibility of transferring Russian aviation if necessary (although China is still a "friend" and ugh ugh it won't be needed)

        As for Belarus, there is NATO on the border. And Su 30 is not enough, there it is necessary to put the base of the Russian Federation and not one and not lower than Su-35 and the first PAK FA there in the first place. If Minsk doesn’t have money for new planes, put Belarusian pilots for Russian cars - arrange as joint parts, etc.
        1. Douglas
          Douglas 4 February 2016 23: 12
          +2
          In general, I wanted to say that the most advanced should be where the real enemy is. That is, to us in KZ, for example, while China is "smiling", nothing super is needed, but everything is needed on the western border.

          CHINA is your big problem. There, along the way, the SU-30 will not help. They will throw their hats. As long as you pay them, they will sit quietly. But when you stop. It will be difficult.
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 5 February 2016 00: 27
            +2
            Well, yes, of course. whoever argues here, the neighborhood with China is not very comfortable. And Afghanistan is not far - there is such a thing.

            But I think your neighbors are no better - NATO is NATO - and it will be even worse. In general, I would not change places with you. we still look more like the rear - but you are there specifically on the "front line" as in the Great Patriotic War - now the disposition is the same

            Always said. what was most lucky for the Tatars - in the middle of all the adversaries far wink
            1. Douglas
              Douglas 5 February 2016 00: 38
              +1
              But I think your neighbors are no better - NATO is NATO - and it will be even worse. In general, I would not change places with you. we still look more like the rear - but you are there specifically on the "front line" as in the Great Patriotic War - now the disposition is the same

              Therefore, RUSSIA SHOULD TORCH EUROPE from the USA. Those. unite together. Then and CHINA can not pay. On the same front, you can fight with CHINA.
              1. Tjeck
                Tjeck 5 February 2016 04: 21
                +1
                Quote: Douglas
                we still look more like the rear - but you are there specifically on the "front line" as in the Great Patriotic War - now the disposition is the same

                Therefore, RUSSIA SHOULD TORCH EUROPE from the USA. Those. unite together. Then and CHINA can not pay. On the same front, you can fight with CHINA.


                Gathered two marshals laughing Until Russia is dismembered or the nuclear legacy is destroyed, not a single devil will go to war. Another thing is that the weapons park needs to be constantly modernized for operations like Syria, Georgia and others - so that Uncle Sam's boots do not stomp around us.

                But the modernization of the Air Force of the Republic of Belarus will not hurt, though I don’t know why we need drying with our relatively small territory. Migi are more suitable for intercepting, and the new 29es are generally nice.
    4. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 4 February 2016 18: 50
      +6
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      I’m just for it. Modern airplanes of Belarus and the CSTO will be a response to strengthening Poland and NATO as a whole. And I don’t doubt that the equipment will be in reliable and skillful hands.

      I do not mind, the main thing is not for "pretty eyes". Because Lukashenka is still that rogue.
      1. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 4 February 2016 18: 53
        +2
        Anyway, like in the movie "It Can't Be" (the hero of the Innocent)!
        Come on, I'll give it up.
        half.
        then.
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 18: 55
        0
        albeit in a slightly smaller amount,

        And how much do you plan to buy the Su-30? And as I understand it, they plan to buy the Su-30SM?
        1. maiman61
          maiman61 4 February 2016 19: 58
          +3
          Lukashenka never buys anything from Russia! Only for free.
      3. SAM 5
        SAM 5 4 February 2016 18: 56
        +5
        The planes are not given to Lukashenka personally. And bargaining is inappropriate here IMHO.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 4 February 2016 19: 12
          0
          Quote: SAM 5
          The planes are not given to Lukashenka personally.

          Yes, and in my opinion Russia has planes left over from the contract (with lease and claims) by Algeria and India, they can be safely transferred for free or with a big discount.
          1. avt
            avt 4 February 2016 21: 12
            +4
            Quote: APASUS
            Yes, and in my opinion Russia has planes left over from the contract (with lease and claims) by Algeria and India, they can be safely transferred for free or with a big discount.

            Nothing that he had already given up on this a year ago! ?? wassat
      4. 73bor
        73bor 4 February 2016 18: 57
        +3
        No matter how swindler Lukashenko was, he simply has nowhere to go, and Russia is the only brother and friend for Belarus, there are no alternatives, either with Russia or in tar-tarars!
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 19: 01
          +3
          anti-aircraft complexes TOP-M2.

          Not bad, Belarus has the S-300, now they are strengthening the protection of the air defense system from anti-radar and cruise missiles.
        2. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 4 February 2016 22: 56
          +2
          Quote: 73bor
          No matter how swindler Lukashenka is, he just has nowhere to go

          Lukashenka is like a mouse eating a cactus. It injects, cries, but eats! And he really has nowhere to go. She kisses on the gums with Poroshenko, but gets nothing from him. And he looks longingly at the West - but there the same does not shine for nothing. Shit on Russia as much as he can, but there is no escape from Russia! It looks like a kitten, which is poked with its muzzle into milk, but it rests, scratches and hisses.
          1. Douglas
            Douglas 4 February 2016 23: 15
            +1
            Shits Russia as soon as he can

            Well, my friend, please tell me how Lukashenko crap ROSSII. ONLY SPECIFICALLY.
      5. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 February 2016 19: 07
        +5
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        Lukashenka is still that rogue.
        Please do not forget that the West is waging a multidimensional war against Old Man. From economic sanctions to ideological sabotage (one "Pole's card" is worth it). Therefore, he has to skillfully maneuver in the political field. However, all attempts of the West to drive a wedge between us are in vain , and the level of our confidence in the defense and defense industry does not fall. It never falls, because. There are a lot of real cases. We need to rearm, we need to prepare once again to powerfully conduct joint exercises in our ZAPOVO. And all the rumors and misunderstandings are such foam that it doesn't even matter.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 19: 11
          +1
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          From economic sanctions to ideological sabotage

          So the sanctions were lifted? Or introduced again?
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 4 February 2016 19: 21
            +8
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            So the sanctions were lifted? Or introduced again?

            You need to carefully read what was being done. They type for 4 months SUSPENDED a number of sanctions for individuals. Like they threw a gingerbread. But nobody is trying to get to the bottom of it. In return, they demanded (of course!) Even greater "democratic reforms. Well, they expect that Lukashenka will fail Europa. And then Europa won laughing
            And now, ATTENTION, for those who love to find fault with Belarus - well, almost 4 declared months have passed and the question is: LOMANUL LUKASHENKO KEEPS TO EUROPE ????? But they shouted that they were trying to sit on two chairs !!!!
            1. avt
              avt 4 February 2016 21: 24
              +4
              Quote: Rurikovich
              : LOMANUL LUKASHENKO KEEPS TO EUROPE ?????

              No, he had already been there - it was flowing down his mustache but didn't get into his mouth - no one gave a loan at 2,8% and he went ... to Sochi - there the LADY was skiing. Why did I go ... I'm not in kugse gebats ... wassat He was probably tired and just decided to take a break - to go skiing, otherwise at home again worries, loans, zeros with crimps to wash. laughing
              Quote: Rurikovich
              But nobody is trying to get to the bottom of it. In return, they demanded (of course!) Even greater "democratic reforms.

              Well, they found something to surprise, but for their grandmothers they always do this in our country in the 90s and now in Ukraine, if they did not notice, then Ukraine has not yet been given the promised tranche of the loan for 2015 and are not given until they fulfill the NEW requirements to cut social networks. I’m not a participant in the negotiations, but I don’t have to be, just to guess - for a credit line, Europe will demand, and harshly, to cut the social sector in Belarus UNDER THE ROOT, and for Batska this is a sickle and a complete tundra animal to the Belarusian economic miracle. the point here is not some kind of groaning of Belarus as a whole, it's just that we in Russia have ALREADY PASSED this stage of introduction to the world of common people! But Father wants to drive along this track ....... request The Baltic states have passed, Ukraine will be more than Belarus, and now it is going - draw conclusions. But do not skip for sure.
              1. Rurikovich
                Rurikovich 4 February 2016 21: 41
                +2
                Quote: avt
                But don't skip for sure.

                Yes, no one is going to slip wink I think that Dodiks are not sitting on top either, and they understand everything that is happening around the circle. It's just that there is such a thing as politics and various international treaties there, etc. blah-blah-blah. Which somehow, too, do not want to frankly ... mmm ... winked ... let's put it mildly ignore. This is the privilege of the type of the powerful. And our "parteigenosse" believe that we are a small country and that it is too much for us to rush to extremes. That is why such a permanent existence takes place. Probably we don't crap on anyone, we don't really recognize something there, but we don't really insist ... And for the observance of the Law. This policy is confirmed by the course that is still supported for the Union with Russia. And by the way, time has proven. Because they still understand that a lot is tied to this Union and it is a kind of greater guarantor of the economy than Western handouts ... Consider this too. We are still loyal wink
                Personally, I also dislike a lot about such politics, but I think that in comparison with others, this existence is much better. Or not ??? hi
                1. avt
                  avt 5 February 2016 00: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Rurikovich
                  Personally, I also dislike a lot about such politics, but I think that in comparison with others, this existence is much better. Or not ???

                  So, that's quite right, Putin is not looking for good at all, and despite Butler's groans, “they are bending us down” Never, as they would have done it in the west, he really didn’t bend over. So the status quo suits at the moment and I am a sinner, I fully support this course ..... exactly until the moment
                  Quote: Rurikovich
                  and is supported for the Union with Russia.
                  and talk about "say state" and the CSTO in the part, "we protect you." Here - sorry - here the jokes end and things begin affecting the specific security of MILLIONS of people living in our countries, here let's first figure out who and what exactly by that means. When we work with the terminology, or even better, we come to a UNIFIED understanding of all this, without quirks, then yes - in reality something new will emerge and we will really come out of the current stagnation. hi
                2. Marconi41
                  Marconi41 5 February 2016 00: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Rurikovich
                  Personally, I also dislike a lot about such politics, but I think that in comparison with others, this existence is much better. Or not ???

                  Do not pay attention to such statements. Of course, we want Belarus to selflessly support Russia. And we Russians often forget that Belarus is a different country. Hence the unfounded indignation. Your Lukoshenko turns around quite skillfully, and takes care of HIS country, which annoys us a little.
            2. Saratoga833
              Saratoga833 4 February 2016 23: 18
              0
              Quote: Rurikovich
              trying to sit on two chairs

              And I never doubted it!
              1. Oldman
                Oldman 4 February 2016 23: 38
                +2
                So who would doubt it.
          2. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 4 February 2016 19: 42
            +4
            It seems to have been removed, but imagine that he would openly support Crimea ... Again, they would have introduced it - only more harshly. It would not be profitable for Russia itself, although at the emotional level of an ordinary citizen it is a little offensive, perhaps. But if our politicians will succumb to emotions, we will be swept away. Therefore, in peacetime Belarus will be a bridge to Europe, and if there is a war, then we will have to jointly occupy the trenches on the Bug, and then arrange another Berezin for the skiers.
            P.S. "Berezina" (French Berezina) --- a French word, means complete failure, disaster.
        2. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 4 February 2016 23: 16
          -2
          Lukashenka does not "skillfully maneuver", but just crap Russia! Why does he still have Ukrainian Crimea? Why doesn't it recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia? Why would he broadcast a Ukrainian TV channel to Belarus? Or does he think the Poles are his best friends? Why is he trying to speculate products from Poland and the Baltic states that are prohibited from being imported into Russia? Why is it actually against the opening of our air base in Baranovichi? I can ask a dozen more such questions. And you are "rumors", "misunderstandings", "foam, that doesn't even matter." Important, very important!
          He is not our enemy, but neither is he our friend. A fellow traveler with a stone in his bosom.
          1. Oldman
            Oldman 4 February 2016 23: 42
            +2
            No more questions ... We can’t do it.
          2. Marconi41
            Marconi41 5 February 2016 01: 02
            +2
            Quote: Saratoga833
            Lukashenka does not "skillfully maneuver", but just crap Russia!

            I put the minus. And what is he shitting about? The fact that he does not want to be sanctioned again? Or trying to get out of the crisis? He is not the president of Russia, but of Belarus. He cares for his very small country. And he is an ally to us, otherwise our air defense would not be there, or they would not obey us.
      6. Marconi41
        Marconi41 5 February 2016 00: 26
        +1
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        Because Lukashenka is still that rogue.

        And what can he be accused of. That he doesn't want to be sanctioned again ?! Belarus is not the Russian Federation, the country is small. And to get into the confrontation of her big uncles - means to ogrebst in the first place. We Russians, of course, are offended for some of his actions, but put yourself in his place. You need to be more tolerant ...
    5. derik1970
      derik1970 5 February 2016 06: 56
      -3
      Tomorrow Lukashenka will "change his equipment on the fly" and the equipment will be in the skillful hands of NATO specialists ... hi
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 February 2016 18: 39
    +8
    And Baba Yaga is against! Let them provide a base, we will cover the sky ourselves. And then codes, ciphers. Unified air defense. It will be simpler for sure. And more reliable.
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 4 February 2016 18: 48
      +3
      A single air defense, a single army, a single country.
      It will be simpler for sure. And more reliable.
      Cho, vote?
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 4 February 2016 18: 51
        +3
        Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
        A single air defense, a single army, a single country.
        It will be simpler for sure. And more reliable.
        Cho, vote?

        Where do I sign?
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 19: 03
      +3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And Baba Yaga is against! Let them provide a base, we will cover the sky ourselves. And then codes, ciphers. Unified air defense. It will be simpler for sure. And more reliable.

      No, well, Belarusian Air Force pilots have to fly on something, but the article says that those MiG-29s that are now in service in Belarus for 30 years have been in service, and have practically exhausted their resource.
  3. Balagan
    Balagan 4 February 2016 18: 39
    +2
    At least some work for our factories.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 5 February 2016 17: 41
      0
      Yes Baba Yaga does not mind! What do we have there, Yak-130. Let them fly. I'm not a specialist, but I'm sure the SU -s are needed. Yes, plus the base. Yes, complete control over the sky. And then infa, while daddy, while daddy thinks and whether it is necessary, send further, well, how will the top be different ... And the adversary of the business and will do it.
      Baba Yaga doesn't mind!
  4. ksv1973
    ksv1973 4 February 2016 18: 43
    0
    Arming Belarus, Russia is arming itself.
    Whatever r ... they poured head on Batkina, he knows his job FAST. Man! hi
    1. Douglas
      Douglas 4 February 2016 23: 21
      +3
      Arming Belarus, Russia is arming itself.
      Whatever r ... they poured head on Batkina, he knows his job FAST. Man!

      Bravo to the author good
      1. ksv1973
        ksv1973 4 February 2016 23: 35
        +3
        Quote: Douglas
        Arming Belarus, Russia is arming itself.
        Whatever r ... they poured head on Batkina, he knows his job FAST. Man!

        Bravo to the author good

        And what for me? Alexander Grigorievich deserves this. Together with the citizens of Belarus. They had a hard time, like the Russians. Not every day many can afford meat. But it's better to eat grass than Nuland cookies.
        1. Douglas
          Douglas 5 February 2016 00: 06
          +2
          And for what?

          FOR UNDERSTANDING FRIEND drinks
          1. ksv1973
            ksv1973 5 February 2016 00: 21
            +2
            Quote: Douglas
            And for what?

            FOR UNDERSTANDING FRIEND drinks

            I firmly shake your hand, Douglas !!! And loudly push my glass to yours! drinks
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 5 February 2016 17: 43
      -1
      Excuse me dear, here you have correctly noticed "he knows his business very well."
      And somehow I would like him to know our business.
  5. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 4 February 2016 18: 44
    +9
    With an incomprehensible policy, Lukashenko (but he does not support Novorossia and the return of the Crimea ... still considers us wrong in South Ossetia and Abkhazia ... supplies the APU with diesel fuel and gasoline) ... it wags with an air base ... somehow I don’t want to meet in the supply of modern weapons systems ... I understand with reason ... that Belarusians NEED ... but there is no complete trust ...
    1. Andy
      Andy 4 February 2016 18: 57
      +5
      but what confidence in this mustachioed cockroach if he gives out shrimps and others for his product bypassing Russian sanctions and has the audacity to be bullish when he was sealed with his face in the shrimp. b l i d about rus he. and do not dare to erase the post - this is not an insult, this is my opinion about this person
      1. Douglas
        Douglas 4 February 2016 23: 56
        +2
        but what confidence in this mustachioed cockroach if he gives out shrimps and others for his product bypassing Russian sanctions and has the audacity to be bullish when he was sealed with his face in the shrimp. b l i d about rus he. and do not dare to erase the post - this is not an insult, this is my opinion about this person

        You have heard the bell on the march, but you don’t know where it is coming from. But I’m trying to explain if it helps? BELARUS AND RUSSIA agreed that all products that we buy in Europe, wash, pack, (this is what we will process) RUSSIA will consider it a Belarusian product. This is beneficial to RUSSIA because the price of products within RUSSIA will not increase. Belarus, in turn, buys goods at a cheap price. Since the West has nowhere to put the product, they sell it at a cheap price (below the cost price), thereby punishing the West for the imposed sanctions against Russia. It is beneficial for us, and for you.
        This is a beautiful scheme. BRAVO to the leaders of our countries. And the release to the press allegedly that BELARUS IS VIOLATING is they from despair. drinks
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    3. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 19: 05
      +7
      Quote: silberwolf88
      With an incomprehensible policy, Lukashenko (but he does not support Novorossia and the return of the Crimea ... still considers us wrong in South Ossetia and Abkhazia ... supplies the APU with diesel fuel and gasoline) ... it wags with an air base ... somehow I don’t want to meet in the supply of modern weapons systems ... I understand with reason ... that Belarusians NEED ... but there is no complete trust ...

      Belarus does not have oil and gas, so he wants to maintain good relations with Ukraine and Russia without making loud statements. In addition, in an interview it seems to Schuster, he said that the de facto Crimea is Russian.
      1. ksv1973
        ksv1973 4 February 2016 19: 43
        +5
        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
        Belarus does not have oil and gas, so he wants to maintain good relations with Ukraine and Russia without making loud statements. In addition, in an interview it seems to Schuster, he said that the de facto Crimea is Russian.

        Moreover, in the same interview, Lukashenko made it clear in a straightforward manner that Ukraine itself had SPARKED!
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      3. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 4 February 2016 23: 24
        0
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        he said that de facto Crimea Russian

        Where is de jure?
        1. ksv1973
          ksv1973 4 February 2016 23: 56
          +3
          Quote: Saratoga833
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          he said that de facto Crimea Russian

          Where is de jure?

          And where is de jure - and you yourself think ...
          The words of the first person of an independent state automatically have legal meaning. What the Ukrainian leaders have said in recent years - it could already become the occasion for their meeting with Sashko Bily. And what Lukashenko said and did is work to preserve the state. Belarus, like Ukraine, also has a strong hidden potential for the collapse of the country. Lukashenko now is the cement that does not allow turning Belarus into a stinking Ukrainian swamp.
    4. ksv1973
      ksv1973 4 February 2016 20: 17
      +6
      Quote: silberwolf88
      With an incomprehensible policy, Lukashenko (but he does not support Novorossia and the return of the Crimea ... still considers us wrong in South Ossetia and Abkhazia ... supplies the APU with diesel fuel and gasoline) ... it wags with an air base ... somehow I don’t want to meet in the supply of modern weapons systems ... I understand with reason ... that Belarusians NEED ... but there is no complete trust ...

      It is not necessary for Belarusians. We all need this: the Tatars, the Chechens, the Chuvash, and the Yakuts. Belarus is the only buffer left between "blue" Europe and us. And do not forget that the greatest benefit has survived in Belarus - the death penalty.
    5. Douglas
      Douglas 4 February 2016 23: 36
      +3
      With an incomprehensible policy, Lukashenko (but he does not support Novorossia and the return of the Crimea ... still considers us wrong in South Ossetia and Abkhazia ... supplies the APU with diesel fuel and gasoline) ... it wags with an air base ... somehow I don’t want to meet in the supply of modern weapons systems ... I understand with reason ... that Belarusians NEED ... but there is no complete trust ...


      Gentlemen, how do you explain. I want to ask what will change if BELARUS recognizes OSSETIA AND OBKHAZIA AND CRIMEA?
      After recognition, what will the whole world begin to recognize?
      Why do you want to harm us, is it allied? Why do you yourself SELL GAS TO Ukraine AND TRADE FOOD PRODUCTS? Thus, you support the Ukrainian troops.
      1. ksv1973
        ksv1973 5 February 2016 00: 53
        +1
        Quote: Douglas
        And YOU yourself why GAS SELLS TO UKRAINE AND TRADES IN FOOD? Thus, you support the Ukrainian troops.

        The question is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
        Russia still maintains relations with the state, whose top officials spew words almost daily against Russia that are comparable to an undisguised declaration of war.
        Russia suffers simply because it is afraid to frighten the rest of the world with its strength. All that the United States has done in all its recent military campaigns in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq will only be a pale shadow compared to what Russia will do with the current Ukrainian statehood. Not to mention the fate of the top officials of this "state".
        Yulia Tymoshenko somehow, recently, has calmed down. But this will not save her ...
        1. Douglas
          Douglas 5 February 2016 02: 25
          +1
          Russia suffers simply because it is afraid to frighten the rest of the world with its strength.


          You think that is why. Scare with your power. DO YOU believe it? If RUSSIA had strength, it would have used them long ago. Then the United States would have quieted down and began to negotiate, and there would have been no sanctions. They treat us like a person treats sausage. Do you think if RUSSIA C NATO got hooked. CHINA was quietly watching, or would the Japanese sit quietly? Yes, jackals would run from all sides to snatch their piece.
          The force is there, but it is designed for only one front.
      2. Marconi41
        Marconi41 5 February 2016 01: 09
        +3
        Quote: Douglas
        I would like to ask what will change if BELARUS recognizes OSSETIA AND OBKHAZIA AND CRIMEA?

        How will that change? Sanctions will be imposed on Belarus, as well as on us! Perhaps this will make it easier for Russia? Lukoshenko is doing everything right and at the expense of the same products. Otherwise, our "farmers" in the end would be obsolete by increasing prices for the population referring to the dollar exchange rate.
  6. bronik
    bronik 4 February 2016 18: 44
    +3
    We have a common sky.
    1. avt
      avt 4 February 2016 18: 51
      +1
      Quote: bronik
      We have a common sky.

      wassat In the sense of the atmosphere of planet Earth ??? Well, yes - who can argue that ?? But at the expense of the airspace over sovereign Belarus ..... “I don’t trade in suvyaryanitet” -AG Lukashenko.
      Quote: ksv1973
      Arming Belarus, Russia is arming itself.

      Is it possible to develop the causal connection of your thoughts in more detail? Well, how does one fit in with the other. "Sayuznaye state" and "you have nothing in the West" not to offer.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 19: 07
        +7
        Quote: avt
        In the sense of the atmosphere of planet Earth ??? Well, yes - who can argue that ?? But at the expense of the airspace over sovereign Belarus ..... “I don’t trade in suvyaryanitet” -AG Lukashenko.

        A unified air defense system of the CSTO countries is being created with a single air defense headquarters and a radar field.
        Quote: avt
        Is it possible to develop the causal connection of your thoughts in more detail? Well, how does one fit in with the other. "Sayuznaye state" and "you have nothing in the West" not to offer.

        As Lukashenka once said in the event of a NATO war against Russia, Belarus will be the first to take the battle geographically.
        1. avt
          avt 4 February 2016 21: 11
          +4
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          A unified air defense system of the CSTO countries is being created with a single air defense headquarters and a radar field.

          "The field, Russian in o-ole ..." - composer Jan Frenkel, poems by Inessa Gough. Nothing that UNITED air defense, in addition to the "field" does not imply a single headquarters, but a very specific single command whose orders are MANDATORY to be executed specific units that will not coordinate them additionally with the national leadership? And what is that similar to the North American NORAD being done? Do not offer amorphous jelly-ODKB.
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          As Lukashenka once said in the event of a NATO war against Russia, Belarus will be the first to take the battle geographically.

          He can grind a lot with his tongue - we have heard not so much, about a single currency, for example. What is the bottom line? You will know them not by their words, but by their deeds. Somehow I believe this, and the rest is an artistic whistle.
  7. avt
    avt 4 February 2016 18: 46
    +2
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    I am for it.

    How much ? Someone's this is more like old Wishlist from Butt looks like, and even the level
    the military-industrial complex reports with reference to the Deputy Defense Minister of Belarus Igor Lotenkov.
    According to him, “at 558, the aircraft repair plant in Baranavichy has already mastered the repair and maintenance of the Su-30”.
    Why didn't they take used cars in India then? And cheaply and again, wassat What was the problem, if they could bring the machines that had not exhausted their resource to the modern level? Let's wait and see, but so far this is more and more like Wishlist.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 4 February 2016 18: 59
      +2
      Quote: avt
      Why didn't they take used cars in India then? And cheaply and again, "they got away" What was the problem, if they could bring the machines that had not worked out their resource to the modern level? We will wait and see, but so far this is more and more like Wishlist.

      Because Hindus do not engage in altruism. At whose expense is the banquet?
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 19: 08
      +2
      Quote: avt
      Why didn't they take used cars in India then?

      They want a Su-30 in the latest SM modification.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 February 2016 19: 57
        +1
        Quote: avt
        How much ?
        Not "for how much", but for OURS.
  8. KBR109
    KBR109 4 February 2016 18: 47
    +4
    They categorically refused to provide the base. Stir up but father lately. Otherwise, they would have planted local jobs ... Trying to sit on two chairs looks like ...
    1. Oldman
      Oldman 4 February 2016 23: 46
      +3
      I think - on four ...
  9. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 4 February 2016 18: 48
    +5
    Didn't see the contract amount repeatI'm not greedy, it's just that we ourselves have a couple dozen, first I would update my park and then
  10. azbukin77
    azbukin77 4 February 2016 18: 48
    +4
    We have a common sky, but dad has his own.
  11. parafoiler
    parafoiler 4 February 2016 18: 49
    +7
    Only cunning friends are worse than clever enemies ...
  12. hartlend
    hartlend 4 February 2016 18: 49
    +1
    SU-30 and MIG-29 vehicles for different purposes. Although you can see better at the top.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 18: 58
      +4
      Quote: hartlend
      SU-30 and MIG-29 vehicles for different purposes. Although you can see better at the top.

      Now only the naval version for aircraft carriers is being produced by the Mikoyan Design Bureau. It is not known when the MiG-35 will be mass-produced.
      In general, half a year ago I read an article in which it was said that heavy fighters of Belarus are not needed, since the territory is small, and they require more money for maintenance than light fighters, but apparently Belarus is tired of waiting for a light fighter from the Mikoyan Design Bureau and decided to purchase a proven version.
  13. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 4 February 2016 18: 56
    +1
    Su-30 is redundant in range for RB.
    It would be better to buy a bigger MiG-35.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 4 February 2016 19: 01
      +2
      He will fly to Kaliningrad, and we will pull up on our side
    2. Igor V
      Igor V 4 February 2016 19: 01
      0
      He will fly to Kaliningrad, and we will pull up on our side
    3. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 19: 09
      +3
      Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
      Su-30 is redundant in range for RB.
      It would be better to buy a bigger MiG-35.

      It is not in the series, and it is not known when production will begin.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 February 2016 20: 07
        +2
        Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
        Su-30 is redundant in range for RB.
        In a peaceful period, perhaps. Excessive, economically. And now imagine that the war began and the Belarusian airfields were hit by enemy aircraft and ground systems. Then they will begin to operate from Russian airfields on a wide front "from the Baltic to the Black", where the joint command will appoint ...
    4. Marconi41
      Marconi41 5 February 2016 01: 13
      +1
      Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
      It would be better to buy a bigger MiG-35.

      Do they exist in nature? Oh yes, there is one. On exhibitions flies. Do you offer to sell it?
  14. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 4 February 2016 18: 58
    +1
    again for free. at our expense. in the footsteps of the union we go chtoli ..
    1. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 4 February 2016 21: 32
      +4
      Quote: Alexander S.
      again for free. at our expense. in the footsteps of the union we go chtoli ..

      Well, yes ... Sasha (AHL) forgot to report to Sasha (S.) about the financial side of the issue, so the latter is tearing up the remaining (from the time of the USSR) T-shirt on his chest laughing
      By the way, about "again" ... And what other weapons were transferred to Belarus free of charge, so that the ever-memorable "again" could be used? winked
      1. Alexander S.
        Alexander S. 5 February 2016 06: 46
        -1
        as if Belarus has money. Maybe there are yaks .. but I doubt very much about drying.
  15. Chisxnumxdiman
    Chisxnumxdiman 4 February 2016 19: 00
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    I am for it
    I support that the appearance of the Su30 in Belarus is a very strong deterrent to NATO expansion to the east ...

    Well, the planes are not all the S-400s and the M and K escanders to be put on the border with the pshek, then they will really start to play a point, and the electronic warfare stations are modern. laughing
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 19: 14
      +2
      Quote: Chis2009diman
      Well, the planes are not all the S-400s and the M and K escanders to be put on the border with the pshek, then they will really start to play a point, and the electronic warfare stations are modern.

      + Another Hermes over-the-horizon ATGM, which I hope will soon be adopted, with a firing range of up to 100 kilometers. And the fact that NATO is deploying a lot of armored vehicles in Eastern Europe.
  16. spinner
    spinner 4 February 2016 19: 02
    0
    What's behind the cockpit of the Su-30, why?
    1. Andy
      Andy 4 February 2016 20: 14
      +1
      air brake. brake shield in other words
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  17. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 4 February 2016 19: 10
    0
    As a hello replacement program for the park, the Ukrainian Air Force is rubbish against this background.
    Cheap, trained, hearty - the flag in your hands on the fly ....
    Good luck, starley, and, not with a t!
  18. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 4 February 2016 19: 48
    +2
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
    Su-30 is redundant in range for RB.
    It would be better to buy a bigger MiG-35.

    It is not in the series, and it is not known when production will begin.


    Well, that's just what they would start.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 23: 13
      +1
      Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
      Well, that's just what they would start.

      In general, there was news that the Su-30SM will be delivered after 2020. If the delivery time is delayed so much, it would be possible to buy something better, for example, the Su-35S or PakFa. As for the MiG-35, there is one more thing, the Su-30SM is quite successfully operated in the Russian troops, the plane has been brought to mind. And the MiG-35 will probably be corrected and brought to mind for some time.
  19. moreman78
    moreman78 4 February 2016 20: 01
    +4
    If in the morning - MONEY, and in the evening - AIRCRAFT, then I do not mind!
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  21. sergant1.1
    sergant1.1 4 February 2016 21: 44
    0
    I still hope that the "sale" will cover supplies to our base (the Russian base in Belarus). Or after the Batka's rivierans in the direction of the Euro-West? ... (Trukhanuli)? (Take no current?) I DON'T KNOW. NIVOCHLY SURFACE ALREADY DON'T BELIEVE. FUCK WILL FOLLOW THESE BULLDOGS UNDER THE CARPET.
  22. 4ekist
    4ekist 4 February 2016 21: 59
    0
    Quote: maiman61
    Lukashenka never buys anything from Russia! Only for free.

    Have the Belarusians ever sold the S-300 air defense system in the USA?
  23. Oldman
    Oldman 4 February 2016 23: 34
    +4
    Quote: Saratoga833
    It looks like a kitten, which is poked in the face with milk, but it rests, scratches and hisses.

    And you, my friend, as I look, a very cool analyst.
  24. malik1971
    malik1971 5 February 2016 01: 05
    0
    and you and us ... I wonder how in the end he will do ???
  25. Bath
    Bath 5 February 2016 09: 51
    0
    Quote: APASUS
    Quote: SAM 5
    The planes are not given to Lukashenka personally.

    Yes, and in my opinion Russia has planes left over from the contract (with lease and claims) by Algeria and India, they can be safely transferred for free or with a big discount.

    Have already given us 140 billion dollars for nothing that the whole world keeps us forgiven for the narrow-minded at least one country forgiven the debt? no, but we immediately for the above amount, bang, guys
  26. Amatar
    Amatar 5 February 2016 11: 36
    0
    If the delivery is free, then good. If for money, then why? Unclear. There is nowhere to fly it in Belarus. Better used newer Migi, or Mig-35, if they are already making it. Can't imagine any problems for Dryers in the sky of Belarus.