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Training aircraft M-346 for the Polish Air Force

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The first two training and combat aircraft M-346 Master, being built for the Polish Air Force, will soon be rolled out of the shops of the Italian Finmeccanica company in Lombardy, the blog reports bmpd citing the French magazine Air & Cosmos.


Training aircraft M-346 for the Polish Air Force


“Poland ordered eight M-346 combat aircraft (with an option for four more) in 2013 the year following a tender, in which the Italian proposal won BAe Systems Hawk AJT aircraft and the US-South Korean T-50, represented by Lockheed Martin UK. The M-346 aircraft will be used for advanced training of Polish pilots, ”the newspaper writes.

It is noted that "if the planes meet the requirements of the Polish Air Force, the country's Defense Ministry can order an additional number of aircraft of this type for use as purely combat aircraft, for example, to replace Su-22М4 fighter-bombers or use them as light interceptors."



As the newspaper writes, "after entering the M-346, the Polish Air Force, in the future, will be able to train pilots from friendly countries in the region."
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  1. Fregate
    Fregate 4 February 2016 13: 06
    +1
    As the newspaper writes, "after entering the M-346, the Polish Air Force, in the future, will be able to train pilots from friendly countries in the region."

    Tribalt or what?
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 4 February 2016 13: 14
      +1
      Tribalt or what?

      Well, not the Papuans from Guinea. Maybe hahlov will be seized, although unlikely.
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 4 February 2016 13: 28
        +4
        Quote: SAM 5
        Maybe hahlov will be seized, although unlikely.

        The second one. Ukrainians rely on the submarine fleet. smile
        1. kugelblitz
          kugelblitz 4 February 2016 19: 35
          0
          Underwater troop forces replenished with two units, the tug and the barge went to the bottom! wassat
    2. wow
      wow 4 February 2016 14: 50
      0
      The plane copied from the Yak-130. Why's that ?
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 4 February 2016 14: 56
        0
        Quote: yo-mine
        The plane copied from the Yak-130. Why's that ?

        Because it was like a joint development of OKBYakovlev and Alena Ayrmahi (Italy), and then the tracks parted.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 5 February 2016 08: 46
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          Nothing was jointly developed there Italian was only "marketing" abroad with unlicensed access to all Soviet technology in honor of something ...

          In general, pasta have no experience working on modern serious aircraft; they had a ridiculous participation in the West European tornado or alpha-fad and they flew on the starfighter until the last

          It's just that someone decided to help the "Italian brothers" ... winked how exactly the same before American Lockheed, and as almost always at our expense.
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    3. Lepila
      Lepila 4 February 2016 16: 49
      +2
      We, too, M-346 won the Koreans at the tender. But we are not going to use it as an attack aircraft
      1. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 4 February 2016 19: 45
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        Another reason is that the Poles at one time were ready to abandon their TS-11 Iskra TCB in favor of the Yak-30, but not the Czech L-29 Delfin.
        As I recall, I read somewhere, the Poles were very fond of the Yak-23 for their outstanding aerobatic qualities and were waiting for the TCB from Yakovlev. Apparently the habit remained, but politicians do not allow you to buy a Yak, and then the Italians fussed. Count in two birds with one stone, if only for the price.
  2. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 4 February 2016 13: 07
    +5
    Italy in advance was going to throw us after joint development. soldier
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 4 February 2016 13: 27
      +7
      And nefig patents and licenses scattered ... For a long time, there are protection mechanisms, but this is apparently not for us ...
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 4 February 2016 13: 42
        +7
        Quote: Observer 33
        And nefig patents and licenses scattered ... For a long time, there are protection mechanisms, but this is apparently not for us ...

        Quote: chunga-changa
        Claims to those who developed and signed the contract from our side. Either they were incompetent, or they received a "small share." Each betrayal of national interests has a first and last name.

        claims to those who could not find money for a new UBS. it was the search for funds that led to cooperation with Italians. from a certain stage of work, the Yakovlevites sought to make a single plane with Ermakki. however, the requirements of the Russian customer and foreign customers were fundamentally different: the Russian Air Force did not accept a car with imported components, and Italians did not accept a machine manufactured in the CIS countries.
        therefore, they decided to develop joint documentation - the so-called basic version of the aircraft, according to which each of the parties will be able to make its own national version of the Yak / AEM-130. OKB them. A.S. This suited Yakovlev, although he had to give part of the rights to the plane to Ermakki. but then there was money without which the program would have to be stopped altogether. at the same time, the Russian government resolved the issue of paying off public debt to the Italian side. the government encouraged the Russian developer creating the domestic version of the Yak-130, and repaid the debt, not transferring money abroad, but paying in ruble terms. Thus, the issue of financing the Russian version of the Yak-130 aircraft was resolved.
        at the end of 1999, the final separation of the Russian and Italian programs took place. based on received from OKB them. A.S. Yakovlev documentation Italians began to develop and build their own training aircraft M346, and the Yakovlevites continued to create a combat training aircraft Yak-130 for the Russian Air Force, as well as its further modifications. however, the cooperation of former partners in the program did not stop. the parties reached an agreement on the separation of markets and cooperation in promoting on the world market the separately developed Russian and Italian heirs of the Yak / AEM-130.
        By the way, the competitor Yak for the MiG-AT UBS program was created jointly with the French for the same reason of the lack of adequate funding ...
        1. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 4 February 2016 15: 54
          +1
          All true.
          The glider is generally identical - avionics and engines are different.
          Recently there was information that the Italians were offering their M-346 to a combat training aircraft contest for the US Air Force.
          If they win the competition, the "potential partners" will train on planes with an identical glider :)) (I think that is why the Italians' chances in the competition are negligible).
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 4 February 2016 13: 29
      +5
      Claims to those who developed and signed the contract from our side. Either they were incompetent, or they received a "small share." Each betrayal of national interests has a first and last name.
  3. Pereira
    Pereira 4 February 2016 13: 07
    -2
    Is there no money for full-fledged military equipment? Or are they cleverly planning to make money, and should NATO cover them?
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 4 February 2016 13: 12
      0
      under construction for the Polish Air Force, will be soon deflated from the shops of the enterprise
      Poland not only pumps our gas from a pipe, but also airplanes from Italy. laughing
      1. Seal
        Seal 4 February 2016 23: 24
        0
        Deflateеus and deflateаus are two big differences laughing
    2. whiteeagle
      whiteeagle 4 February 2016 16: 03
      0
      We are waiting for a new generation aircraft. There are currently 4th generation aircraft on the market. we have such F-16 aircraft for a long time. Time to move forward.

      https://lenta.ru/news/2014/02/24/f35/
  4. Mera joota
    Mera joota 4 February 2016 13: 09
    -1
    Poland ordered eight combat training aircraft M-346

    How loudly is it said, combat training ... what is combat in it? A typical TCB like Iskra ...

    if the aircraft meet the requirements of the Polish Air Force, the Ministry of Defense of the country can order an additional number of aircraft of this type for use as purely combat aircraft, for example, to replace Su-22M4 fighter-bombers or to use them as light interceptors

    Come on ... Is this somehow? Breeeeeed.
    1. FID
      FID 4 February 2016 13: 22
      +6
      Yak-130 - combat training ... And why not ???
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 4 February 2016 13: 38
        0
        Quote: SSI
        Yak-130 - combat training ... And why not ???

        The lack of means of detecting targets, both air and ground, does not allow calling the M346 combat. L-39 in your training combat too?
        1. Fregate
          Fregate 4 February 2016 13: 47
          +2
          Quote: Mera Joota
          L-39 in your training combat too?

          Yes, imagine. And after modernization, it can even use KABs. Iraq recently bought a dozen L-39s.
          1. Mera joota
            Mera joota 4 February 2016 15: 01
            0
            Quote: Fregate
            Yes, imagine. And after modernization, it can even use KABs. Iraq recently bought a dozen L-39s.

            You confuse the L-39 TCB with the L-159 UBS on which there is a radar
  5. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 4 February 2016 13: 10
    0
    "or using them as light interceptors"

    What are they going to intercept, UAVs? what
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 4 February 2016 13: 30
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      Quote: Vladimirets
      What are they going to intercept, UAVs? what

      With the smuggling of cigarettes from Ukraine. laughing
  6. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 4 February 2016 13: 10
    +1
    This is an advertisement that together with Russia it is possible to develop military equipment.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 February 2016 13: 12
    -1
    will be able to train pilots of friendly countries region

    For Poland, the most friendly are the Balts and Ukrainians. But for the first, NATO is flying, and the second is not flying on anything yet. Poland is the center of air aces. As it sounds, any Polish ear is nice.
  8. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 4 February 2016 13: 13
    +1
    But how do you replace the Su-22? Chet, I doubt it ... As a training yes, as a light attack aircraft, maybe. Interceptor? Why is the interceptor something ..? But there can be no question of a full-fledged replacement of the Su-22.
  9. Shuttle
    Shuttle 4 February 2016 13: 14
    0
    Oh, what an interesting variation on the theme of our Yak-130!

    Interestingly, he is inside the same tricked out as the Yak-130?

    By the way, in IT there was once a similar incident between MS and IMB for the joint development of a new OS. The result was OS / 2 from IBM and Windows NT from MS.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 4 February 2016 13: 18
      +2
      Oh, what an interesting variation on the theme of our Yak-130!

      This is not a variation; it is the brother of our yak. You can say from another mother. laughing The folder in the face of joint cooperation rested several years ago, issuing a finished glider and almost finished avionics.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 4 February 2016 13: 54
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        You can say from another mother.

        Well, their prolific folder!
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  10. triglav
    triglav 4 February 2016 13: 14
    -1
    What air force, such and airplanes.
  11. Michael67
    Michael67 4 February 2016 13: 17
    +5
    The twin of our Yak-130. Italians ... Nothing personal ... Business. Another striking example is that we have only two allies ...
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 4 February 2016 13: 21
      +1
      The twin of our Yak-130. Italian

      With a Chinese bias.
    2. avt
      avt 4 February 2016 14: 39
      0
      Quote: Michael67
      The twin of our Yak-130.

      Not a gram is a twin - the elder brother immigrated to Italy.
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 5 February 2016 08: 38
        0
        the youngest and just plain boiled
    3. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 4 February 2016 20: 24
      +7
      Why didn’t anyone say to the Psheks that the Italian plane is the brother of the Russian Yak. They would surely have thrown Italians. Yak by the way much more promising.
  12. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 4 February 2016 13: 17
    +1
    Why do they need aviation at all, if, after installing the American missile defense system, they are the first to land the Topol?
    1. whiteeagle
      whiteeagle 4 February 2016 16: 23
      -1
      But part of the Polish aviation will be based in Ramstein. With bombs B-61. There is a risk that the Polish F 16 will reach Petersburg.

      https://russian.rt.com/article/66120
  13. iouris
    iouris 4 February 2016 13: 38
    0
    Pomnitsa, the main goal of the Yak-130 and SSJ-100 projects from the very beginning was to launch the certification process for Russian aircraft in the West, and the Yak-130 was originally developed jointly with Italians.
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 5 February 2016 08: 36
      0
      Yak-130 brought R&D abroad, SSJ-100 - to shit on Russian civil aircraft construction, silts and that is much better, and there it is better not even to remind about "import substitution" ...
  14. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 4 February 2016 13: 56
    +1
    These would not be Poles if they did not. A dream, not a deal - and bought the aircraft cheaply, and Russia nasl.li.
  15. GEV67
    GEV67 4 February 2016 14: 09
    -1
    Well, Poland will soon be the main country in Europidia. They are constantly rattling about it, now there are planes ... a little wassat
    1. whiteeagle
      whiteeagle 4 February 2016 16: 33
      -1
      So Americans think laughing

      http://inosmi.ru/politic/20160203/235274311.html
  16. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 4 February 2016 14: 12
    -1
    Well, dviglo is different and accordingly avionics is different .. somewhere I saw that only the glider is the same and then our in dimensions is slightly different ..
  17. pavelty
    pavelty 4 February 2016 14: 17
    +1
    Just in the hungry 90s, the design bureau sold all the documentation to Italians, and the planes for the filling are different, the glider is almost one to one, and avionics is different. The Yakovlevites also wanted to participate in the tender for the supply of TCB to Poland, but upon arriving at the negotiations once they realized that it was useless and refused, the Italians won over the Koreans who offered their T-50
    1. whiteeagle
      whiteeagle 4 February 2016 16: 41
      0
      Koreans offered their T-50 with the help of the Americans. was also BAe Hawk and L-159. But ultimately the Italians won.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 4 February 2016 18: 51
      +2
      Quote: pavlentiy
      The Yakovlevites also wanted to participate in the tender for the supply of TCB to Poland, but having arrived once for negotiations they realized that the matter was useless and refused

      The Poles chose to buy a clone that costs more than twice as much as the Yak-130! 8 M-346 "Master" in the amount of $ 381,7 million. The Yak-130 was designed for our engine, they wrote that the Italians fiddled with installing their engine on the glider.
    3. Scraptor
      Scraptor 5 February 2016 08: 34
      0
      documentation without a license is not for sale at all, so this is just a theft of socialist property ...

      Quote: pavlentiy
      Just in hungry 90-e

      you don’t understand anything - if they hadn’t "sold" (for 5 million), they would have simply been "killed" ...

      one seirin machine costs 15-30mln, and then everything is R&D!
  18. Lex.
    Lex. 4 February 2016 15: 19
    +1
    Yes kb-Yakovleva such a plane was hardly developed by Italians something like that would have developed
  19. 4ekist
    4ekist 4 February 2016 15: 26
    -1
    Quote: Fregate
    As the newspaper writes, "after entering the M-346, the Polish Air Force, in the future, will be able to train pilots from friendly countries in the region."

    Tribalt or what?

    Be afraid! Psheki in the air!
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 5 February 2016 08: 27
      0
      Psheks could buy the same Yak-130D cheaper (see wiki)
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_M-346
      search there for "Base Model" lol
      But apparently in the Polish government, too, someone often travels to sunny Italy and sits on pullbacks.
  20. Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 February 2016 17: 42
    -1
    Our work with the Italians began work on the future plane because of financial problems, then we parted on matters of principle. Ours on this base made the Yak-130, the Italians own. Ours with the Italian have differences, and in my opinion they are serious, but honestly I did not delve into it. First, ours can be reprogrammed, i.e. You can prepare fighter pilots, you can bombers. The second - we tried it, apply it as a light attack aircraft. What I know for sure, the Italian is almost 2 times more expensive.
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 5 February 2016 08: 25
      0
      On this site some trolls chtol? Or is it too lazy for everyone to even look into Wikipedia?

      The Yak-130 did not have any problems. It is generally subsonic. Just pulled the country. Pasta invested 5 million in the program, of which the Russian side saw only 1,4, after which they received ALL (they didn’t even know how to make such planes, but this one was hit by supersonic sounds) and thanks to a crookedly drawn up contract - exclusive export rights. One car costs ten times more!

      Almost also went to Lockheed Yak-141B in the form of an F-35 slightly altered by the forces of Russian engineers (with a fan from XV-5 instead of PD), and the flying Yak-3 from the exhibition of the same design bureau also left off ...
  21. Termit1309
    Termit1309 5 February 2016 10: 12
    -1
    Quote: Scraptor
    On this site some trolls chtol? Or is it too lazy for everyone to even look into Wikipedia?

    One definitely is. If it’s not difficult, look on the Internet about Italy’s combat training aircraft. Made before the collaboration with the company Yakovlev.
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 5 February 2016 10: 15
      0
      it’s not difficult for me - look at what kind of trash it is, and why it copied

      when someone takes out something from production, it’s not cooperation


      Or maybe you insist that the KB that had just "helped" the Lockheed went to the Italians for help?
      F-35C and F-35A are obtained from F-35B by ejecting from it the units responsible for the hanging mode and a slight displacement of the remaining