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Who destroys the Russian industry. State Duma Deputy Leonid Kalashnikov about the defeat of the Volga engineering plant

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Precision machines, which in the whole of Russia are just a few, were removed from the spot without following the rules, just to be quick. Volumes of documentation - a real treasure trove of unique technologies - were piled in trash bales. Something in order to accelerate all flew through the windows in front of Togliatti people passing by. The pogrom took place during the New Year holidays and was not yet completed when Vladimir Putin signed an extremely important document for Tolyatti - “List of instructions on the results of testing the effectiveness of measures to accelerate import substitution processes in the automotive industry.” Each item of it puts out of the state interests of Russia many actions of the current leadership of AvtoVAZ OJSC, including the liquidation of related enterprises.




Of course, the destruction of the VMP was justified by its non-core and unprofitableness. If someone does not know, Andersson (president of AvtoVAZ - ed.) Explains all his actions with these terms from the moment he arrived in Togliatti. If earlier it somehow “rolled”, then in the case of such a unique enterprise it can convince only the hottest fans of the talents of the Swedish manager. And what, it is interesting, opinions about Vyksa were other foreign experts? “VMZ is like a big modern supermarket where you can buy everything you want!” I have not seen in the world of factories with such a huge range of products ”- the words of Akira Sakurai, Vice President of Nissan Motor Co., Ltd.

You can understand it - complete shops of modern equipment, providing a full production cycle of high-precision products, including machines and robots of their own design and the most different specialization. In addition to the orders of AvtoVAZ, the Volzhsky Machine-Building Plant fulfilled the orders of a number of domestic enterprises. I did it until I became part of the car factory again in 2014. Unprofitable, speak? In 2015, VMZ could make a profit of more than eight billion rubles. But he did not receive it solely at the behest of the VAZ authorities, who rejected orders as “non-core”.

Here it is important to know which customers Andersson called non-core. The termination of the release of VSW of just one nomenclature of parts - roller-screw transmission caused problems and dependence on foreign suppliers in the enterprises of the automotive industry, aircraft manufacturing, nuclear energy, and, most importantly, the military-industrial complex. And such strategically important parts and assemblies VMP produced dozens of items!

At the end of 2015, one of the leading organizations of Rostec State Corporation - Tekhnodinamika JSC sent a letter to the AvtoVAZ management, which tried to prevent the ruin of VMZ. Interaction with the Togliatti plant allowed AO to create a promising aviation and space technology. Now, of course, not a war, but Russia is in confrontation with a bloc of powers unfriendly to us. With one hand, the country, for once, is conducting an independent foreign policy worthy of its status. And another invites a foreign citizen, who began to destroy its defenses. What else can you expect from him?

Are machine tools and mechanical engineering really not needed at all in our country ?! But in the 2011 year, while in Tolyatti, President Putin said: “I consider it necessary to pay special attention to the development of the domestic machine tool industry. Machine tool manufacturing is an industry that provides all the strategic areas of the engineering and defense industry. ” And the signing by Vladimir Vladimirovich of the aforementioned “List of Instructions” makes it clear that the auto industry and related industries are an important part of the development line of the Russian Federation. That's just without the capabilities of Vyksa, this important part becomes vanishingly small. Only one-fifth of the equipment uprooted from the plant’s workshops will be installed at AVTOVAZ. Everything else is transported to an open area, allegedly for sale. But any expert will say that several weeks of spending the night in the open air means certain death for such a technique.

The VSW team was an elite cadre of mechanical engineering - now, after firing, these literally golden people, instead of fulfilling orders for the needs of the defense, automotive, aerospace and aviation, will engage in handicrafts in the garages. The important component of AVTOVAZ was destroyed, the economy of the whole city was undermined, the base was broken out from under the whole branches of the Russian industry. A rare opportunity to provide import substitution at the level of its own engineering and its own high-tech products has been missed. Major Andersson and not such a shoulder ...
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  1. onix757
    onix757 5 February 2016 18: 54
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    That's right, one sausage shop built has 3 large enterprises destroyed
    1. Pravdarm
      Pravdarm 5 February 2016 18: 59
      67
      This is sabotage! Where do you think? Who!
      Question, B.lin, rhetorical!
      The answers are "at the top"! (On a surface)
      1. onix757
        onix757 5 February 2016 19: 03
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        Quote: Pravdarm
        This is sabotage! Where do you think? Who!

        This is a liberal industrial policy in which the term "sabotage" is absent as such
        1. Maxom75
          Maxom75 5 February 2016 19: 11
          29
          That's right - this is the basis of a liberal economy, it’s not profitable now to break everything down and transfer it to China, and then in the case of sanctions, we begin to grieve and dream that we will be forgiven now and the sanctions will be lifted. Liberals are dreamers and, as a rule, fantasies are unfounded.
          1. Altona
            Altona 5 February 2016 19: 26
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            Quote: Maxom75
            Liberals are dreamers and, as a rule, fantasies are unfounded.

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            And the Liberal is a hell of a mountain? This is not only Navalny, Sobchak or Gozman. This is the same United Russia, which is pursuing an anti-popular policy and for which half ran to vote in September last year in the local elections. And in December and January she received notice of layoffs or salary cuts. Such enterprises, with more than 1000 people, cannot be disbanded by a chok. In such enterprises, there should be a collective council as in Germany, because one worker feeds his family, and this is already 4 people. And by dispersing a team of 1000 people, the owner deprives 5000 people of food. Are these things not obvious to the state? And after that, it considers itself social ..
            1. Maxom75
              Maxom75 5 February 2016 19: 31
              142
              I vote for the Communists, I understand that they will not come to power, but at least let the talkers in the Duma spoil the blood. I am a supporter of the position that large enterprises and concerns (especially raw materials) should belong to the state, and therefore to all citizens. But medium and small enterprises should be private. The main customer for innovation - it should be the state! Only the state has the necessary volume of orders and financial opportunities, and the state should develop the country according to a plan that would take into account the interests of the majority of the population!
              1. Altona
                Altona 5 February 2016 19: 36
                37
                Quote: Maxom75
                I vote for the Communists, I understand that they will not come to power, but at least let the talkers in the Duma spoil the blood. I am a supporter of the position that large enterprises and concerns (especially raw materials) should belong to the state, and therefore to all citizens.

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                I also adhere to this position. I also vote in protest. The state is saturated with liberals only in our country, and state ownership or participation nonetheless enriches management and curators. That's the hassle ...
              2. vlad_vlad
                vlad_vlad 5 February 2016 19: 59
                -5
                "The main customer for innovations is the state!"


                fun. We (and in many other countries I know) have a major customer for innovation, which is private business. In 2015, the amount of investment in research and innovation of private companies in Germany hit $ 60 billion. The state has invested about 7 billion.
                1. Altona
                  Altona 5 February 2016 20: 19
                  21
                  Quote: vlad_vlad
                  fun. We (and in many other countries I know) have a major customer for innovation, which is private business.

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                  Let's not replace the concept. "Private business" is usually multinational corporations, whose budget exceeds the budget of many states. And they are dragging some kind of industry, and "small business" - PR specialists, programmers, stylists, designers and other crap feeds next to it. In Russia, the role of a super corporation was played by the state, it was the main customer and driver of growth.
                  1. vlad_vlad
                    vlad_vlad 5 February 2016 21: 45
                    -3
                    that is, you think that the official (who invests other people's money) knows better where to go and how much to invest than the private person who invests his money?
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 5 February 2016 22: 10
                      17
                      Quote: vlad_vlad
                      that is, you think that the official (who invests other people's money) knows better where to go and how much to invest than the private person who invests his money?

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                      No, I believe that the state should set priorities, bearing in mind scientific planning and intersectoral balance, and not stupid administration in the form of an official. The official generally believes that it is best to spend people's budget money on walnut chairs, a Toyota Prado with a leather interior and a Swiss watch. And to celebrate corporate parties with Penkin and Beyonce, depending on the budget ... The fact that the official acts as a moderator and administrator is bad. There is no normal planning in the state and we have thieves in power, and not those who were engaged in real business. At least some.
                    2. v-sorok
                      v-sorok 6 February 2016 02: 08
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                      A lot of private traders invest their money ??? Bank loans! The state is being milked again. Again, as soon as some kind of zakavyka, give me money, the state !! Remember the Sayano-Shushenskaya HPP. It seems like a private enterprise, but an emergency happened, there is no money for repairs and restoration. And not a single "owner" will uncork his jar!
                      1. Altona
                        Altona 6 February 2016 12: 25
                        +5
                        Quote: v-sorok
                        A lot of private owners invest their money ??? Bank loans! Again the state is milked. Again, as soon as some kind of hassle, give money, the state !! Remember the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric station.

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                        And for good, for such things, the banal execution of everyone up to Chubais was obvious. In general, the maintenance of engineers is much cheaper than the maintenance of oligarchs ...
                    3. andrew42
                      andrew42 8 February 2016 11: 06
                      0
                      In theory, for this, such an official at his post is needed. Otherwise, why is he at all?
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                  3. andrew42
                    andrew42 8 February 2016 11: 05
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                    I wonder what the same "innovative" private business would do, if it did not have lobbyists in government agencies? Yes, it would have flown into the pipe, if without a "cap" that pushes the necessary orders. acts. Already got fed with fairy tales about "paid toilets".
                2. bovig
                  bovig 5 February 2016 20: 29
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                  Quote: vlad_vlad
                  "The main customer for innovations is the state!"


                  fun. We (and in many other countries I know) have a major customer for innovation, which is private business. In 2015, the amount of investment in research and innovation of private companies in Germany hit $ 60 billion. The state has invested about 7 billion.


                  Where is the German cosmonautics? By the way, as a pioneer of rocket science, at least ... Or doesn’t this kind of innovation need private business?)))) What do you mean by the term innovation? Climate control in a personal car, or the super-comfort of a street dry closet?))))
                  1. ochakow703
                    ochakow703 5 February 2016 21: 13
                    18
                    I don’t really know. I stand up for the German, probably internationalism has woken up. I turn to you bovig. Where is the Russian auto industry? Where is the Russian civil aviation industry? And in the end, climate control in the Lada - an open or closed window! Well, they did. We have to work hard, and here ... on the one hand the government is neutered, on the other - an advanced thief.
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 5 February 2016 21: 24
                      +6
                      Quote: ochakow703
                      And in the end, climate control in the Lada - an open or closed window! Well, they did.

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                      Well, what is stopping you from doing climate control systems? Bearing in mind the huge car sales. Just in order not to be a lone handicraftsman who screws handicraft impellers onto handicraft electric motors, you need to negotiate with someone in this market, and first of all with the car manufacturer. To prove to him that your pribluda will be the best on the market. Here's how the inconsistency turns out. Instead of standing in the car market with your "best system in the world" you have to go and negotiate with someone, look for an investor, launch an advertising campaign.
                    2. vlad_vlad
                      vlad_vlad 5 February 2016 21: 38
                      +1
                      Hi Ochakov, I visited you, ate fried gobies :-)
                      The main private investors are innovations and developments in Gemania - automobile companies, chemistry and pharmaceuticals, mechanical engineering and electronics, etc. in decreasing order. Of course, large companies are ahead (Mercedes, VW, Siemens, BASF, Bayer, Bosch ...) but in Germany the average family business is very strong - companies from 50 to 500 million euros in turnover.
                      1. Altona
                        Altona 5 February 2016 22: 04
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                        Quote: vlad_vlad
                        but Germany has a very strong average family business - companies from 50 to 500 million euros in turnover.

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                        Launch you postmodernism in full - the release of analogs in China, gaster, taxation and expensive credit and grunts with female genitals your entire "family business" and "welfare state" ...
                    3. bovig
                      bovig 6 February 2016 03: 47
                      +5
                      Quote: ochakow703
                      I don’t really know. I stand up for the German, probably internationalism has woken up. I turn to you bovig. Where is the Russian auto industry? Where is the Russian civil aviation industry? And in the end, climate control in the Lada - an open or closed window! Well, they did. We have to work hard, and here ... on the one hand the government is neutered, on the other - an advanced thief.

                      Well, you have nothing to argue with, but your questions are not for me, but for Russian private business !!! Who drives his investments offshore, and the civil aviation industry was closed with second-hand Boeings, and the auto industry was handed over to the Varangians ... Or maybe you saw my personal fault in this?))) One of my sons-in-law worked as a mechanic in one of the divisions mentioned in article of the plant, so I personally had to take part in its further employment ... And why? But because we have no domestic business, our state is somehow virtual, the government is thieving, and the president is not known whose "manager" ... There are NO responsible persons! What investments can there be and, most importantly, where?)) And Germany is also a pity ...
                      1. ochakow703
                        ochakow703 6 February 2016 08: 12
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                        Yes, God forbid. Of course, there are no questions for you, just a discussion. In many ways, I agree with you, somewhere I myself experienced all the delights of individual entrepreneurship, somewhere friends, relatives. Let's just say that everything that is not stolen or created without a shaggy hand is doomed to failure. My friend started breeding fish, carp, and carp. He took the land for rent, re-registered his land share from agricultural land to inconvenience, i.e. exchanged part of the grassland for an unnecessary ravine for anyone. Built dams, spillways, floodgates. The result was a cascade of seven ponds with a total area of ​​about 18 hectares. (the land share with his wife was 20 hectares). He successfully worked until his farm began to bring real profit. And then it began! Environmentalists, sanitary epidemic, forest protection, tax authorities and other bandits. In the end, they found a violation of land legislation - one (the uppermost) pond was created as a water regulator for the period of spring flood, and most of it went beyond the boundaries of the leased land, so the geography and relief lay (although all in one ravine). Six years of struggle, three years ago the seizure of property and a year later the breakdown of the cascade dams ... (another very dark story) A friend had a stroke ... Interestingly, at the state level, did these tons of beautiful fish interfere? I think no. But they, like a splinter, overthrew the priests of local bureaucrats, who have not enough brains for clever business, and they don’t like sharing with loafers (such). Here is the average producer. And on the resource center (this is such a district accounting department) one more floor is sculpted, bookkeepers are not included. So our thoughts and aspirations are similar. I don’t know about the revolution, but Stalin is desperately needed!
                      2. STALK1974
                        STALK1974 6 February 2016 09: 37
                        +6
                        We now have a similar situation with the local DOSAAF flying club. While the leader and local enthusiasts raised the flying club (the only one in the North-West), they found money, repaired the planes, bought old ones, restored them, no one needed the fuck. And now when the profit began to bring , from Moscow, bureaucrats from DOSAAF said: But give us 7% of the profit, otherwise we won’t sign the permit, and we don’t shake our fingers when the men of the last forces kept the club afloat. Here’s how you prepare the draftees for VS. DOSAAF.
                      3. bovig
                        bovig 6 February 2016 14: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: STALK1974
                        We now have a similar situation with the local DOSAAF flying club. While the leader and local enthusiasts raised the flying club (the only one in the North-West), they found money, repaired the planes, bought old ones, restored them, no one needed the fuck. And now when the profit began to bring , from Moscow, bureaucrats from DOSAAF said: But give us 7% of the profit, otherwise we won’t sign the permit, and we don’t shake our fingers when the men of the last forces kept the club afloat. Here’s how you prepare the draftees for VS. DOSAAF.

                        And this is the modern essence of the state within the framework of the globalization project ... The main task (and the bureaucrats by ignorance do not know what they are doing) is to discredit the role of the state as a social institution and transfer this function to corporations as slave owners ... After all, from time immemorial it was - concern for the needs of slaves burdens the slave owner ... And the state assumes the role of collector of tribute and tribute, that is, ideally, the role of the parasite, gradually freeing itself from social functions ...
                      4. ochakow703
                        ochakow703 7 February 2016 09: 13
                        +1
                        In our region, the DOSAAF Aeroclub "Pilot" was killed according to the same scheme. The same Muscovites. And everything was. Excellent flight and technical personnel, equipment - airplanes, gliders, a helicopter, it was even planned to bring a Czech-made jet trainer, an airfield and a bunch of buildings to flight condition. Now there is nothing! Everything is overgrown with weeds. But there are hundreds on the basis of this club! boys and girls took their first steps into the sky. And so, the insatiable Muscovites closed the sky!
                    4. bovig
                      bovig 6 February 2016 13: 03
                      +2
                      Quote: ochakow703
                      Yes, God forbid. Of course, there are no questions for you, just a discussion. In many ways, I agree with you, somewhere I myself experienced all the delights of individual entrepreneurship, somewhere friends, relatives. Let's just say that everything that is not stolen or created without a shaggy hand is doomed to failure. My friend started breeding fish, carp, and carp. He took the land for rent, re-registered his land share from agricultural land to inconvenience, i.e. exchanged part of the grassland for an unnecessary ravine for anyone. Built dams, spillways, floodgates. The result was a cascade of seven ponds with a total area of ​​about 18 hectares. (the land share with his wife was 20 hectares). He successfully worked until his farm began to bring real profit. And then it began! Environmentalists, sanitary epidemic, forest protection, tax authorities and other bandits. In the end, they found a violation of land legislation - one (the uppermost) pond was created as a water regulator for the period of spring flood, and most of it went beyond the boundaries of the leased land, so the geography and relief lay (although all in one ravine). Six years of struggle, three years ago the seizure of property and a year later the breakdown of the cascade dams ... (another very dark story) A friend had a stroke ... Interestingly, at the state level, did these tons of beautiful fish interfere? I think no. But they, like a splinter, overthrew the priests of local bureaucrats, who have not enough brains for clever business, and they don’t like sharing with loafers (such). Here is the average producer. And on the resource center (this is such a district accounting department) one more floor is sculpted, bookkeepers are not included. So our thoughts and aspirations are similar. I don’t know about the revolution, but Stalin is desperately needed!

                      What to add - I don’t even know ... Only + and with both hands FOR!)
                    5. Altona
                      Altona 6 February 2016 19: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: ochakow703
                      He took the land for rent, re-registered his land share from agricultural land to inconvenience, i.e. exchanged part of the grassland for an unnecessary ravine for anyone. Built dams, spillways, floodgates. The result was a cascade of seven ponds with a total area of ​​about 18 hectares. (the land share with his wife was 20 hectares).

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                      Well done man. And what you described further is the deeds of our valiant EP-bureaucracy and their "business-gifted" wives and offspring. They do not hesitate to ask for a "small share" and enter the list of founders without doing anything ...
              3. 11 black
                11 black 6 February 2016 17: 23
                0
                Quote: bovig
                Where is the German cosmonautics? By the way, as a pioneer of rocket science, at least ... Or doesn’t this kind of innovation need private business?)))) What do you mean by the term innovation? Climate control in a personal car, or the super-comfort of a street dry closet?))))

                I don’t know about the Germans, but I heard about the American private space program. Let it be known that the State SpaceX 22 of December last year launched immediately 11 satellites on Falcon-9 media, while the medium was saved - not bad for a private office
              4. atalef
                atalef 7 February 2016 14: 03
                0
                Quote: bovig
                What do you mean by the term innovation? Climate control in a personal car, or the super-comfort of a street dry closet?))))


                And this is the same as on protons and unions, you do not fly to the cottage and do not use the ISS toilet.
            2. beck
              beck 5 February 2016 20: 44
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              in Germany, what percentage is considered profitable? 5 or 10%, or maybe even less. and here, if there is no profit at 200%, then no one will take up the matter, ours must be quicker to grab and topple either into power in order to continue stuffing in a pocket, or over a hill for permanent residence.
            3. ultra
              ultra 5 February 2016 20: 51
              0
              Quote: vlad_vlad
              We

              I am extremely happy for you! hi I hope we will have a different way.
            4. Makk
              Makk 5 February 2016 20: 58
              +5
              Blessed is he who believes.
            5. ochakow703
              ochakow703 5 February 2016 21: 06
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              This is how private companies work in Germany, but in Russia they work differently. Only today to try something, and tomorrow at least don't dawn ... Look, we have even such a colossal construction project as the construction of a cosmodrome was not without space theft. So there seems to be both control and supervision ... and what is happening at the "smaller" objects, there is a rod of up to 60% of budget funds inflating estimates, making cuts and kickbacks. The thief sits on the thief and drives the thief. Until there is a clear legislation "Stole - sat down with complete confiscation", nothing will change. And these laws are doomed to failure under the current leadership. So then, Mr. German.
              1. Altona
                Altona 5 February 2016 21: 28
                +7
                Quote: ochakow703
                It is for you in Germany that is how private companies work, but for us in Russia they work differently. Only today to stiffen, and tomorrow at least do not dawn ...

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                This is called the "investment climate" and "entrepreneurial culture". What trend is set by the state, it turns out. In our country, half of the state's income comes from the sale of hydrocarbons, so industrial policy outside the context of the defense industry is of no interest to anyone. It's just that those who have previously grabbed the industry are trying to squeeze something out of it. Bolotin and Deripaska, for example.
              2. Vitaly72
                Vitaly72 5 February 2016 23: 13
                10
                As for the stolen-villages, I agree with you, today the guys robbed the store on the TV, fifty thousand, they really soldered a dozen, this is certainly right, but what about farts and his deaf ,,, no words
          2. Damask
            Damask 5 February 2016 20: 06
            +6
            I completely agree, I still need to check what bucks went through buying and plunder during the drunk
            1. bhdir1946
              bhdir1946 5 February 2016 20: 33
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              They tried at the first "coming to the post" of Putin. The answer will not be revised. Open the Basic Law of the Country and read who should own the Power? But who really owns? "voters. On a handful of people. and their loved ones. In reality, in such a country with huge human resources and natural resources, there should be no crises. This is from great craftiness.
          3. Semen Semenych
            Semen Semenych 5 February 2016 20: 11
            +4
            I absolutely agree!
          4. sgazeev
            sgazeev 5 February 2016 20: 24
            10
            Quote: Maxom75
            I vote for the Communists, I understand that they will not come to power, but at least let the talkers in the Duma spoil the blood. I am a supporter of the position that large enterprises and concerns (especially raw materials) should belong to the state, and therefore to all citizens. But medium and small enterprises should be private. The main customer for innovation - it should be the state! Only the state has the necessary volume of orders and financial opportunities, and the state should develop the country according to a plan that would take into account the interests of the majority of the population!
          5. glasha3032
            glasha3032 5 February 2016 20: 40
            21
            The average state-owned enterprise was corporatized and sold to a private individual. The company produced control systems for the Tu-160 and Tu22M3. A private person (owner) liquidated the production of avionics and leased all premises. Moral- and medium-sized and small enterprises should be state-owned. In the USSR, even the bed workshop worked for defense, which helped win the war.
            1. pint45
              pint45 5 February 2016 23: 01
              +7
              Almost all serial avionics factories were sold to private individuals: squandered, premises were leased; for example, the Pyrometr plant "Northern Plant" in St. Petersburg; some stray Bodrunov S.D. I tried everything for 10 years and dumped at the same time trying to visit Vali Matvienko's economic advisers. I didn’t take root, And now the rackets for the S-300 are supposed to be collected somewhere in the wilderness. What is the big QUESTION.
              1. Ragoz
                Ragoz 6 February 2016 01: 42
                +7
                pint45. To this should be added the stolen machine-tool plant named after Svedlov, which produced precision machines.
          6. Donbass
            Donbass 6 February 2016 07: 19
            +4
            And there should be everything as directly as possible: producer-buyer. Not like now: producer-speculator-speculator-speculator-speculator-speculator-ohrenevshi
            th consumer !!!
          7. bodzu
            bodzu 6 February 2016 13: 15
            +4
            Since AvtoVAZ is partly a state-owned company, it belongs to the assets of the company according to the state. To start, Mr. Andersen should be invited to the FSB for discussion and, based on the results of the conversation, one should determine either his actions as an economic crime or as the actions of a foreign agent against the economic well-being and defense potential of our country. country (saboteur and agent of influence) with all the ensuing consequences
          8. syndicalist
            syndicalist 6 February 2016 14: 03
            +3
            Quote: Maxom75
            I vote for the communists

            And the Zyuganovites have at least something from the communists in the classical sense of the word? Maybe they are against private ownership of the means of production? Maybe they even vote in the Duma against all liberoid initiatives? They are no different from other edrisni. When I see a photo of Zyuganov, I involuntarily recall the famous cartoon in which "Gena the crocodile worked as a crocodile in the zoo. So our Gena works as a" communist "in the" zoo "
          9. CTEPX
            CTEPX 6 February 2016 14: 43
            +3
            Quote: Maxom75
            I vote for the communists

            I'm sorry, for me "communists" are synonymous with traitors.
            Quote: Maxom75
            large enterprises and concerns (especially raw materials) should belong to the state

            This is the basis of state capitalism)).
            Quote: Maxom75
            medium and small enterprises should be private.

            This is the basis of just capitalism)).
            Quote: Maxom75
            The main customer for innovation - it should be the state!

            This is the basis of any state)).

            We do not have communists; we betrayed everything and everything for the sake of our children.
            Everything needs to be started on a new one. From the basics)).
          10. Bijo
            Bijo 7 February 2016 10: 35
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            Quote: Maxom75
            I vote for the Communists, I understand that they will not come to power, but let at least spoil the blood of the talkers in the Duma

            Yes, what blood-shedding is there, look at the meetings of the Duma - the floor of the hall is at best on the spot and they are asleep or newspapers are read, and the Communists as well. It is true that they have recently become more active about Lenin, but Zhirinovsky answered beautifully. The only one who "spoils the blood" for everyone is Zhirik.

          11. zarodinu
            zarodinu 8 February 2016 07: 33
            0
            I completely agree with the author. Only the state does not rush to be a prudent and caring host.
          12. andrew42
            andrew42 8 February 2016 11: 01
            0
            100 percent over. The free market is the level of the shopkeeper. And any transnational corporation possessing, among other things, high-tech means of production, is not even a "state within a state", it is a NAD state.
          13. Al1977
            Al1977 8 February 2016 17: 22
            -1
            Quote: Maxom75
            The main customer for innovation - it should be the state!

            The largest innovative companies in the world are private. They were started by young, purposeful guys, and not appointed party officials. And the main consumer of Apple, Microsoft, Facebook with more than Gazprom turnover is ordinary people. Although I do not claim, give examples of the opposite.
        2. onix757
          onix757 5 February 2016 19: 42
          17
          And the Liberal is a hell of a mountain? This is not only Navalny, Sobchak or Gozman. This is the same United Russia, which is pursuing an anti-popular policy and for which half ran to vote in September last year in the local elections.

          First Deputy Head of the Kremlin Administration Vyacheslav Volodin stated that "United Russia" will go to the polls with a liberal program and it will become the only liberal party for which voters will be able to vote in the 2016 State Duma elections, RIA Novosti reports.
          1. owl
            owl 5 February 2016 19: 50
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            Quote: onix757
            and it will become the only liberal party for which voters can vote in the State Duma elections

            But what about the party of Volfovich crying quite a child of a lawyer "zapped for the belt"!
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 5 February 2016 19: 53
              22
              Quote: gufo
              But what about the party of Volfovich ... .crying


              Branch "ER". Not a single serious law voted against United Russia.
              1. owl
                owl 5 February 2016 20: 10
                +7
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                Branch "ER". Not a single serious law voted against United Russia.

                This is understandable to the fool (except for the fool who votes for the Liberal Democratic Party), but the fact that the LeberalnoDPR will be present in the ballot does not cancel smile
              2. Makk
                Makk 5 February 2016 20: 51
                10
                Branch "ER". Not a single serious law voted against United Russia.

                We have all the party-affiliate of EP and even non-systemic opposition - the dream of any dictator, because the people will never support it, in this regard they are also apparently part of the system.
                1. owl
                  owl 5 February 2016 21: 08
                  -8
                  Quote: Makk
                  We have all the party affiliate EP

                  Interesting, interesting !, and what is your conclusion based on? Just don’t say what you were told!
                  1. Makk
                    Makk 6 February 2016 09: 09
                    +1
                    Interesting, interesting !, and what is your conclusion based on? Just don’t say what you were told!

                    They told you this, or rather you read it, and your business is how it relates.
                    "You will recognize them by their deeds" - try to refute ..
            2. vell.65
              vell.65 5 February 2016 20: 10
              +1
              Quote: gufo
              But what about the game of Volfovich, quite a child of a lawyer, "they've been stuck in the belt"!

              There is a place in the circus along with the whole team.
            3. ASK505
              ASK505 6 February 2016 09: 42
              0
              Quote: gufo
              But what about the game of Volfovich, quite a child of a lawyer, "they've been stuck in the belt"!


              All steam to the war with the dead allowed. All the same, Lenin and Stalin did not give him life.
          2. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 5 February 2016 22: 46
            +4
            Quote: onix757
            United Russia will go to the polls with a liberal program and at the same time become the only liberal party,

            The ONF was already imprisoned for the new EP, at the time of submitting documents for the elections, it will become a party, and the EP will quietly merge as unnecessary, only the characters will remain.
          3. polkovnik manuch
            polkovnik manuch 7 February 2016 16: 57
            0
            Will they vote for the EP at all? Although in words Medvedev yesterday shouted with his feet stomping, they say we are for the people, only now did the audience believe the "noodles" that he hung on their ears.
        3. aba
          aba 5 February 2016 22: 25
          10
          And after that it considers itself social ..

          Our social state ended in 1991, under capitalism, even with elements of sociality, financial relations between members of society are at the forefront. So you just understand that someone is hanging noodles on our ears.
        4. akendram
          akendram 7 February 2016 14: 37
          -1
          about the fact that half voted for er I do not believe. In our city everyone knows that they rigged for example
        5. andrew42
          andrew42 8 February 2016 10: 59
          0
          united Russia is the true name.
      2. moskowit
        moskowit 5 February 2016 19: 33
        19
        Liberals are the enemies of the People, who are supported by the enemies of Russia, and they are performing, and have already partially fulfilled the task given to them to overthrow the Russian statehood and turn our Motherland into a raw material appendage of the "West" !!! am am am
        1. Altona
          Altona 5 February 2016 19: 47
          14
          Quote: moskowit
          Liberals are the enemies of the people, kept by the enemies of Russia,

          -------------------
          The country has long been ripe for a left turn and turning the steering wheel to the right risks breaking the steering wheel. Our government is all striving to integrate into the West, everyone is looking for some paths, not realizing that the United States has long ago closed all loopholes. So what if Seehofer or Marine le Pen is coming? All the same, the elections with their participation will be declared illegitimate. The Popular Front was quietly bent over in France ..
        2. shtanko.49
          shtanko.49 5 February 2016 20: 37
          13
          I will vote for the Communists, at least some kind of protest.
        3. Al1977
          Al1977 8 February 2016 17: 39
          0
          Quote: moskowit
          Liberals are the enemies of the People, who are supported by the enemies of Russia, and they are performing, and have already partially fulfilled the task given to them to overthrow the Russian statehood and turn our Motherland into a raw material appendage of the "West" !!! am am am

          But what about Volodin’s statement about EdR’s liberal policy? Or the same LDPR?
          Why did you write these lines? Pluses to get?
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 5 February 2016 19: 34
        28
        Quote: Maxom75
        Liberals are visionaries


        Hmm ... far from visionaries, but realists ... Look, how they successfully destroy everything that remains ...

        PS If the time comes when they will require executioners - I volunteer ... I'm not a killer and not insane, but for such things you just need to be executed ... These are enemies ...
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 5 February 2016 20: 01
          +9
          Quote: veksha50
          I am not a killer and not insane, but for such things you just need to be executed ... These are enemies ...


          It is a pity that these golden words are rated with only one "+" - th. In the comment, accept +++++++++++ ... + etc.
        2. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 5 February 2016 20: 01
          0
          Quote: veksha50
          I am not a killer and not insane, but for such things you just need to be executed ... These are enemies ...


          It is a pity that these golden words are rated with only one "+" - th. In the comment, accept +++++++++++ ... + etc.
      4. boec
        boec 5 February 2016 21: 21
        11
        I know the Kalashnikov guys as a deputy from Samara, in which party I don’t know the essence. The question which he raised was very sharp. My Father, 52 years old, that goldsmith-toolmaker was just working at the cost center which was plundered bankrupt. And right now, as the Kalashnikov says, they are dismantled in parts from his words. My father quit, laid off the dismissals to the factory that fifth of the former VMZ, arranged as a student of no length of service, a salary to bu andersen for the rest of his life, he said from his words there will be a new warehouse guess the Cosmetics Magnet. Here you tell the words of different eyewitnesses. My opinion as a resident of the city of Tolyatti, the plant is disassembled for their personal interests. My father told me when the VSW separated, no matter how it developed, the Japanese arrived and arrived. Japanese mechanics learn how to work, although we know how to work, the Japanese come to earn $ 1000 per week. I didn’t go to the factory after the army, although I thought. Salaries are melting like snow among workers, with up to 120000 people working up to Andersen right now up to 20000. Yes, there were a lot of extra people, but where, with such reductions in salaries, I didn’t invent simple numbers. In general, people see numbers leaving the city, they’re working really not, experienced hard workers will not go to guards and sellers like me ...
      5. stavr550
        stavr550 6 February 2016 15: 16
        +1
        sanctions we will not be removed until they finish
      6. MrK
        MrK 6 February 2016 17: 50
        +3
        Dear Maxom75. I agree with you. But there is one question. Who transferred the VMZ to complete subordination to AvtoVAZ? Isn’t our government ... combing, led by an iPhone?
    2. Mahmut
      Mahmut 5 February 2016 19: 29
      45
      Bo Anderson is a cost killer, he will save AvtoVAZ. The rescue began with the destruction of the machine park in the training center, where they trained universal machinists for the whole country. Bankrupt AvtoVAZagregat, destroyed the Volga Mechanical Plant, destroyed the pilot industrial production. Next in line is the destruction of the STC. The annual loss of 46 billion rubles. All Xray equipment is designed and manufactured over the hill. Neither a screw nor a washer. All imports. Such a localization, such an import substitution. But they succeed Renault Nissan. They consider profit, because they who place their production under one roof with frets, they attribute all their costs to the cost of domestic cars. Such a partnership. Losses are compensated at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation, and the money goes to the owners of the enterprise in the Azores.
      Yes, I almost forgot. Medvedev came to talk with employees of the enterprise. The administration, having learned about this, busted everyone home by 2/3. Those who did not have time to dump were blocked in the building by a cordon. Well, in the meantime, Medvedev was driving a new car. He liked this. And this is the most important thing.
      1. Maxom75
        Maxom75 5 February 2016 19: 47
        +7
        maybe it's worth learning how to make high-quality cars, otherwise our vaz car was just awful, although it was affordable. I would like a cheap and high-quality car. Why don't I develop the "NIVA" line, modify and drive in series - this is the most affordable SUV.
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 5 February 2016 20: 31
          +7
          Quote: Maxom75
          or maybe it’s worth learning how to make high-quality cars, otherwise our VAZ car was just awful, although it was available. I would like a cheap and high-quality car


          What, I wonder, is "Your" AvtoVAZ terrible? What are you missing?
          Engine, steering wheel, brakes - there is.
          Power 90 - 100 HP Few? Do you need 150 - 200?
          Warranty - the same 5 years as the adversary.
          THAT - the same 10 - 15 thousand km.
          Not a single foreign car meets the data declared in the attached fuel consumption instructions! Feel free to write that this data was obtained on running drums at speeds
          50 - 70 km / h.
          A car is, first of all, a means of transportation, but not a means for show-offs.
          1. QWERTY
            QWERTY 5 February 2016 20: 39
            +9
            Well, yes, yes. But take a trip a thousand kilometers to the Gazelle (not Next), and then to some Ford Transit or Ivek of the same class ...
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 6 February 2016 05: 46
              0
              maybe it’s worth learning how to make high-quality cars, otherwise our VAZ car was just awful ...

              "Teach your wife to lay asphalt with high quality" So you listen to these carriers of cliches about the horrors of Avtovaz and think that the whole country is trying to produce the world's best washing machines, televisions, furniture, irons and telephones. The most fashionable clothes and shoes are made in Russia, the best roads in the world. And only AVTOVAZ, like an ink stain on a snow-white shirt, disgraces the whole country. Quality costs money.
          2. Maxom75
            Maxom75 5 February 2016 20: 45
            +9
            I need to increase reliability, indestructibility. Conder mandatory and cruise, the rest do not care.
        2. Makk
          Makk 5 February 2016 21: 01
          +1
          Have you read the article? And the comments?
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 5 February 2016 22: 31
        +4
        In general, Medvedev should be driven out not only from the power structures, but in general from positions related to both politics and the economy! The time of his "reign" showed this extremely clearly! But he is still getting smart!
    3. Constructor1
      Constructor1 5 February 2016 19: 31
      23
      This is how Russian developments and factories are being destroyed. So the enemy looks around .. - "so whoever stuck his head out there." But he cannot destroy it directly and goes to head am

      In general, the idiocy that the import director manages the Russian plant ..
      1. udincev
        udincev 5 February 2016 21: 01
        +6
        Look - idiocy. But to dig deeper - who introduced this intruder? Bodies to the studio!
      2. udincev
        udincev 5 February 2016 21: 04
        0
        Quote: Designer 1
        Russian factory import director in charge

        Import substitution is slipping!
      3. kubilau
        kubilau 5 February 2016 22: 24
        +5
        And the plant is no longer a Russian controlling stake in Renault Nissan
    4. Dyagilev
      Dyagilev 5 February 2016 19: 57
      +5
      Such an elementary concept as "confiscation" still cannot be called. They all come up with something: either the deprivation of illegally acquired property, or compensation - so that they do not accidentally get caught. Too many of their own divorced.
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 5 February 2016 22: 37
        +6
        At the word "confiscation" our Duma members and rulers immediately start having convulsions! For them, this is a terrible dream! Especially considering the nepotism and nepotism in the service!
    5. barsik92090
      barsik92090 5 February 2016 20: 06
      +3
      Quote: onix757
      Quote: Pravdarm
      This is sabotage! Where do you think? Who!

      This is a liberal industrial policy in which the term "sabotage" is absent as such

      This is what urgently needs to be investigated publicly, openly and, using this example, to find saboteurs and traitors to the Motherland!
    6. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 5 February 2016 21: 31
      +3
      Quote: onix757
      This is a liberal industrial policy in which the term "sabotage" is absent as such

      No respected - for this liberal public the word "sabotage" is industrial policy.
      Only now their fuss for the accelerated development, privatization and bankruptcy of the best factories, factories, parades with the conclusion of their external management, has become more noticeable. They probably worry that they will not have time to cause Russia maximum damage because they themselves are not today, so tomorrow they will knock them out of the ranks of officials who influence the development of the economy (or rather, affect braking).
    7. iouris
      iouris 5 February 2016 22: 13
      0
      What does the "liberals" have to do with it?
      Steal Russia, otherwise you’ll disappear.
    8. IMHO
      IMHO 8 February 2016 10: 05
      -2
      Quote: onix757
      Quote: Pravdarm
      This is sabotage! Where do you think? Who!

      This is a liberal industrial policy in which the term "sabotage" is absent as such

      Dakoli any Bulk, Sobchachki and Khadarkovsky will prevent the country from developing ?? !! It's time to deal with this liberal gang !!
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 5 February 2016 19: 08
    14
    Quote: Pravdarm
    This is sabotage! Where do you think? Who!

    Where? In Togliatti. Who! Bo Andersson, an effective top manager, he is also a major in the Swedish army. For his fruitful work to undermine the defense of Russia, probably already received a major general. And the kingdom of Sweden the highest degree of distinction - the Order of the Seraphim, personally from the monarch and on a closed list.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 5 February 2016 20: 07
      +9
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Quote: Pravdarm
      This is sabotage! Where do you think? Who!

      Where? In Togliatti. Who! Bo Andersson, an effective top manager, he is also a major in the Swedish army. For his fruitful work to undermine the defense of Russia, probably already received a major general. And the kingdom of Sweden the highest degree of distinction - the Order of the Seraphim, personally from the monarch and on a closed list.

      He probably, as Penkovsky goes to his homeland and tries on a uniform with a new rank and medals. Penkovsky also traveled and tried on the uniform of Colonel Her Majesty. Everyone knows how it ended.
      1. owl
        owl 5 February 2016 20: 18
        +2
        Quote: keel 31
        He's probably like Penkovsky

        Forgive me, but this is "valid" nonsense good
  3. GRAY
    GRAY 5 February 2016 19: 16
    +2
    Quote: Pravdarm
    This is sabotage!

    This is not sabotage, but another obscene word also ending with the letter "zh".
    Hello to the commander Kalashnikov.
    1 February 2016, 15: 37
    OJSC Metallist-Samara (25,6666% of the plant belongs to the United Engine Corporation, a part of Rostec) wants to lease part of the space from the liquidated subsidiary of AvtoVAZ, LLC Volzhsky Machine-Building Plant (VMZ).

    According to Yury Eliseev, executive director of the Samara plant, his company will also need the unique equipment of VMZ, as well as the remaining personnel - 700 people. Earlier, about 2500 people worked at VSW. The Samara enterprise wants to take all the capacities for the production of products for Roscosmos.

    For assistance in negotiations with AvtoVAZ, Eliseev turned to Governor Nikolai Merkushkin, who approved this idea and promised his help.

    Let us remind you that in 2008 AvtoVAZ, combining its structural divisions, formed the production of technological equipment and tooling (PTOO). In 2011, PTOO was separated from the structure of AvtoVAZ by forming a legal entity - OOO "VMZ".

    In 2012, the shareholders of AvtoVAZ approved a deal on the transfer of VMZ to Rostec to repay the plant's debts to the corporation. Volzhsky Machine-Building Plant was estimated at 5 billion rubles. The deal for the sale of VMZ was completed by AvtoVAZ in September 2013, having received 551 million rubles for its former property.

    AvtoVAZ bought VMZ in the interests of the Renault Nissan alliance, which accounts for 50% of the Togliatti enterprise in the production of dies and molds for Russian models of the concern. Multi-ton stamps and molds are one of the most expensive components in the automotive industry, not every foreign automaker has its own stamp production.

    VSW was the only Russian supplier of assembly robots, dies and molds for the automotive industry.

    And at the beginning of 2014, delays in the payment of salaries began at the plant. Dozens of workers stopped going to work. In March, plant management began to pay off debts. Employees began to gradually return to the factory.

    In January 2015, the government allocated Rostec 5 billion rubles for the development of machine tools under the import substitution program. Of these, VMZ should have received 696,7 million rubles in 2015-2016.

    In September, VSW notified the trade union of the parent company of a reduction of 1195 due to the lack of loading in the machine tool industry.

    "The problem with customers began in 2014. The search for orders was very active, but, unfortunately, to no avail," the head of the AvtoVAZ trade union, Sergei Zaitsev, quoted the media.

    After the cuts, more than 1000 employees were to remain at the plant, mainly in the production of molds and dies.

    In December, AvtoVAZ President Bu Andersson signed an order to recreate the production of technological equipment at the plant. The assets of Volzhsky Machine-Building Plant LLC (VMZ) were transferred to the balance of the new division. The director of the new production was appointed the head of the VMZ Andrey Yezheleva.

    http://samara.ru/read/89432
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 5 February 2016 19: 51
      +6
      Quote: GRAY
      Hello to the commander Kalashnikov.

      Well done, Kalashnikov LI .. I established the fact and "washed my hands." The Communist Party was carried away by the Byzantine games in the Duma. Isn't it time to remember the past, organize and lead the working people. If he does not turn to the people, he will continue to lose his supporters.
      Quote: Altona
      This is the same "United Russia", which is pursuing an anti-people policy and for which half of them ran to vote in September last year in the local elections. And in December and January she received notice of layoffs or salary cuts.

      Levada claims that about 60% are ready to vote for United Russia. Smells like sadomasochism.
      1. owl
        owl 5 February 2016 20: 05
        0
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        Is it time to remember the past, organize and lead the working people.

        Citizen, instead of saying stupid things, they would be revered better than Vladimir Ilich!
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 5 February 2016 20: 44
          +4
          Quote: gufo
          Citizen, instead of saying stupid things, they would be revered better than Vladimir Ilich!

          With what hangover did you write to me STE? As long as the people remain silent and vote for the same "United Russia", as long as they will continue to rob.
          You must assume Gaidar is reading
          1. owl
            owl 5 February 2016 21: 01
            -1
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            What hangover

            I assure you that I did not drink, but you must admit that it is not without reason wink remembered Gaidar!
            Well, now seriously.
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            Until the people are silent and vote for the same "ER"

            You really decide who the Communists are to blame or the people ??
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 5 February 2016 21: 44
              +5
              Quote: gufo
              Well, now seriously.
              Quote: Was Mammoth
              Until the people are silent and vote for the same "ER"

              You really decide who the Communists are to blame or the people ??

              If you look for the guilty, then you need to start with yourself. If I in particular and the people as a whole allow ourselves to rob, then they will also rob us.
              1. owl
                owl 5 February 2016 22: 13
                +5
                So I say, according to Lenin smile
                1) The tops cannot control in the old way - the inability of the ruling class to maintain its dominance unchanged;
                2) The lower classes do not want to live in the old way - a sharp aggravation above the ordinary need and calamities of the oppressed classes and their desire to change their lives for the better;
                3)Significant increase in mass activityattracted both by the whole situation of the crisis and by the “tops” themselves, to independent historical performance.

                You shouldn't forget about the first point (even though I didn’t paint it), because we should rely on the fact that they will just give everything away stupidly, therefore they feed all sorts of Kazachkofs, "policemen" and the rest of the husks in every possible way!
                1. Was mammoth
                  Was mammoth 5 February 2016 23: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: gufo
                  So I say, according to Lenin smile

                  It's about revolution. There are other forms of workers' protection of their rights, but we are sleeping. Compare the May demonstrations in France or Italy with ours. At the head of our columns are the Medvedevs, the very ones who "rob". wink
                  1. owl
                    owl 5 February 2016 23: 48
                    +2
                    Quote: There was a mammoth
                    This is about revolution.

                    Well, darling about her!
                    I don’t hint at anything. I just want to remind you what it is. revolution-"radical, radical, profound, qualitative change, a leap in the development of society, nature or knowledge, coupled with an open gap with the previous state."
                    just so that the children do not get scared, it is necessary to explain that the revolution is not synonymous with war!
                    Of course, there are still ways, one of which, as it seemed to me closer to you, is evolution, but my grandchildren may not wait for it (qualitative evolution), especially considering the fact that today we are progressing degradation!
                  2. Was mammoth
                    Was mammoth 6 February 2016 00: 56
                    +2
                    Quote: gufo
                    just so that the children do not get scared, it is necessary to explain that the revolution is not synonymous with war!
                    Of course, there are still ways, one of which, as it seemed to me closer to you, is evolution, but my grandchildren might not wait for it (qualitative evolution), especially considering the fact that today we have progressive degradation!

                    I believe there will be a return to socialism. How and when? I do not know. I think, alas, not soon. We, the Russians are not even ready for economic demands (VMZ as an example), not to mention political ones. Moreover, there are no all three components. Ah, the power is not asleep. Education, TV, the Internet, law enforcement agencies, lawmaking are all under the vigilant eye of the authorities.
    2. GRAY
      GRAY 5 February 2016 20: 49
      +5
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      Is it time to remember the past, organize and lead the working people.

      What the hell are the working people if they, like all other parties, live by lobbying for the interests of business?
      Unless only for the sake of votes.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 5 February 2016 21: 48
        0
        Quote: GRAY
        Why are they working ....

        And in which case do you see a way out?
  • wagner72
    wagner72 5 February 2016 20: 02
    +9
    It seems to me that it is time for this Anderson to pack his bags. And please take the ukrflag from me, I'm from the Crimea. And Crimea-Russia.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 5 February 2016 20: 33
      -1
      UUUU also Wagner namesake hi
  • GRAY
    GRAY 5 February 2016 20: 17
    0
    Quote: Pravdarm
    This is sabotage! Where do you think? Who!

    The plant - in the past part of AvtoVAZ, ceased to exist as an independent legal entity and again became a division of AvtoVAZ.
    Where is Mr. (please note not comrade, namely Mr.) Kalashnikov noticed the physical liquidation of the enterprise - it is completely incomprehensible.
  • Velikoruss
    Velikoruss 5 February 2016 20: 59
    +2
    Quote: Pravdarm
    This is sabotage! Where do you think? Who! The question, b.lin, is rhetorical! Answers are "above"! (On a surface)

    This is just a total stupor of the Russian population. Sabotage, sabotage, corruption, Egyptian plague, blah blah blah ....
    A popular omen says: if he doesn't want to - the dog won't jump up. The Rasiyans just missed the yoke, the whip and the barn very much. And, as they say, you don't want to eat bread and butter, suck ... horseradish with mustard. Just now, Aifonchik promised to lure additional zhrebetnikov (foreign mlin!). And a little earlier Vovchik made “welcome to the unfortunate Jews” from France! True, it seems to me that we are talking about the same eggs (top view, side view).
    ... And what about the people what ?
    - gee bully ... And the people are silent! And rightly so. Maybe the whip will clean the brains? And if you don’t clean it ... all the more right!
  • demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 6 February 2016 19: 22
    0
    Another rhetorical question is when is it all .... (you can’t say such words here, but VERY want it!) Will end ?? Everyone understands that this is the collapse of the homeland, but nothing changes!
  • Prince Gvidon
    Prince Gvidon 7 February 2016 14: 15
    0
    And on the surface, Mr. Swims. You won’t get any answers from him.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 February 2016 19: 06
    16
    Vladimir Putin signed an extremely important document for Togliatti - “The list of instructions based on the results of checking the effectiveness of measures to accelerate import substitution processes in the automotive industry”.

    Everything is correct! Enough for the domestic car body, insert imported engines ... work bastards and disperse import managers ... Are you used to "it's easier to buy in the west .."? We will come to you in Moscow ... and we will CHECK everything! Swamp PADLES ...
    And domestic machines, this is a special question!
    1. Altona
      Altona 5 February 2016 19: 28
      12
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And domestic machines, this is a special question!

      ----------------------
      And the machine-tool industry was the first to go under the knife. And our mechanics were better than the Chinese. Now they would mold an electronic "head" to it and would be ahead of China for a long time.
    2. kenig1
      kenig1 5 February 2016 19: 28
      +8
      Are their managers Chubais, Miller, etc.? The problem lies in the liberal course of the country.
    3. avt
      avt 5 February 2016 19: 35
      19
      Quote: MIKHAN
      ? We will come to you in Moscow ... and we WILL CHECK everything! MADDLES swamp ...

      I’ll say without swamp - out of two television, counting on the production of electronics, there is .... the shopping center Gorbushka and on Shchelkovskaya near the Moscow Ring Road marketplace and a warehouse of cells. Instead of a machine tool on Savelovskaya, the market “Sovenok”, Tushino just now burned - from the plant a handicraft shop for a couple of hundred workers remained, well, in the industrial zones there is an utter mess, there are guest workers in the shop nearby on Stromynka - seamstresses burned down with their children, well, purely "crayfish" from "Russia we have lost" that Gilyarovsky described. And what came to VAZ was what Moscow had done with AZLK and ZiL for a long time, but to enumerate everything that was ruined from the industry in Moscow, this is not counting the research institutes and just science ..... they will be banned for five years.
    4. Maksus
      Maksus 5 February 2016 19: 44
      +1
      Well, well, testers. And doesn’t it bother anyone that this same X-Ray (pah, b ****, for William Conrad is a shame) - stupidly turned Renault Sandero? Savior of AvtoVAZ, but it was high time it was a loser to close this plant and switch to production of normal trucks.
      1. onix757
        onix757 5 February 2016 20: 18
        +4
        Yes, it was high time it was a loser to close this plant and switch to the production of normal trucks.

        Well, if it doesn’t work out, we’ll ruin it like a zil. So?
        At KAMAZ, they are trying to collect Mercedes and it is necessary to confess not very well. Maz with about the same characteristics came out cheaper .. because the localization is higher.
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 5 February 2016 20: 31
          +2
          And why only KAMAZ, we still have URAL, UAZ (well, you can’t call it passenger cars), a bunch of Gazelles / Lawns. No, we need to try our best to support AvtoVAZ by raising excise taxes on NORMAL cars (I had an Opel Astra N, I left for six years - I changed only the timing belt - it broke, the rear wiper motor and EVERYTHING).
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 February 2016 21: 09
            +3
            Do you understand what you wrote?
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 5 February 2016 21: 30
          +1
          MAZ is "approximately" like a Mercedes? Are you a driver, owner of a transport company, an auto master after all? If it were so, then only "cheap and high-quality" MAZs would drive on the roads.
    5. alone
      alone 5 February 2016 20: 41
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Vladimir Putin signed an extremely important document for Togliatti - “The list of instructions based on the results of checking the effectiveness of measures to accelerate import substitution processes in the automotive industry”.

      Everything is correct! Enough for the domestic car body, insert imported engines ... work bastards and disperse import managers ... Are you used to "it's easier to buy in the west .."? We will come to you in Moscow ... and we will CHECK everything! Swamp PADLES ...
      And domestic machines, this is a special question!


      so what? In order to accelerate import substitution, it was necessary to destroy the plant?
      As for machine-tool construction, for this we need machine-building plants, moreover, not one or ten, but much more to provide the industry with all the necessary machine tools. To train specialists, engineers, and economic engineers
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 5 February 2016 20: 51
        +1
        Yes etozh Mikhan - to him on a cart and a flag in his hand. The slogan man.
        1. alone
          alone 5 February 2016 21: 50
          +3
          Quote: Maksus
          Yes etozh Mikhan - to him on a cart and a flag in his hand. The slogan man.

          That's not news)
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 February 2016 21: 23
        +4
        I will support you. I have a special neighbor. But nobody needs anyone. Sits, thumps.
  • NIKNN
    NIKNN 5 February 2016 19: 10
    +8
    Under Stalin, they would have shot!
    1. IMHO
      IMHO 8 February 2016 10: 19
      0
      Quote: NIKNN
      Under Stalin, they would have shot!

      And under Ivan the Terrible-they would have put on a stake !!!
  • starshina78
    starshina78 5 February 2016 20: 07
    10
    Enterprises in Russia are being destroyed by "effective managers" of newly minted specialists who can only cut, demolish, break, and nothing else; The Central Bank and other banks that lend to industry in such a way that enterprises can barely pay off loans, and there is no money for the development of production due to the high interest rate (the Central Bank and gentlemen ministers from the economic bloc are afraid of deflation); the Government of Russia itself, which can do nothing but calculate revenues from the sale of oil and gas, and develop and help raise the industry - their brains do not work, and why do they think when everything in the world can be bought, that's just not always, and the new term is import substitution, no more than a term. The main damage is, of course, the "effective managers". They, who came from outside and do not know the production cycles and the entire production technology, can only pull out machines from the foundations in order to sell, demolish workshops that, in their mind, do not bring them income, but the fact that all equipment and workshops were built and installed with the expectation of a certain output does not bother them. And when an order for the production of equipment comes, it turns out that there is no equipment to fulfill the order. It is either sold or melted down. And the search begins throughout Russia where to place an order for the manufacture of individual parts necessary to fulfill the order. All this leads to a rise in the cost of manufactured products, and, accordingly, due to the high price, the plant loses tenders, which means there is less money at the plant. And then they begin to look for the guilty, and as always it turns out to be Vasya Pupkin, who is undergoing a half-cut in order to optimize production. In one word - a mess!
  • sgazeev
    sgazeev 5 February 2016 20: 21
    +5
    Quote: onix757
    That's right, one sausage shop built has 3 large enterprises destroyed

    JSC "Moscow Machine-Tool Plant named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze"

    Numerous violations during the privatization process and inaction of law enforcement agencies in the early 1990s contributed to the forcible seizure of control over the enterprise, pressure on employees and, subsequently, the alienation of their shares. Despite all the statements of the new shareholders to pay off debts and develop the enterprise, the plant began to degrade. Valuable personnel left the plant in large numbers. The land under the plant, practically in the center of Moscow, was subsequently redeemed for virtually nothing. The release of machine-tool products significantly shrank, and then, at the beginning of 2000, it was completely reduced to zero. Assembly and commissioning of machine tools was separated into a separate structural unit. At the same time, the Ordzhonikidze 11 Business Park was growing by leaps and bounds, leasing the premises of the dying plant. As a result, today we have an extensive business park, which occupies almost the entire area of ​​the former plant, which is teeming with dozens of large and not very large tenants, the overwhelming majority of which specialize in wholesale and retail trade. A piece of the former machine-tool production with a couple of dozen enthusiastic workers lurked somewhere in the depths of the business park and, de jure, brings a symbolic part to the total revenue, mainly from the sale of spare parts for machine tools, as well as the provision of services on the side for machining, and maybe even completely removed from its native territory. However, it is worth mentioning the very "structural divisions" that separated from the main enterprise in the 1990s. One of such companies is the independent LLC NPP ZiO, created in 1996 on the basis of the assembly shop of the Ordzhonikidze plant. The very fact of the release of new machines at this enterprise is currently in doubt, the company does not disclose its data (possibly for the better.) If you believe what is described on the official website of the company, it can be assumed that the LLC is working on a unique, unparalleled in the world, automated grinding complex with a processing accuracy of no more than one and a half nanometers. for such a small company Who is investing in the development of this complex is also unknown, but still I would like to hope that the real work is already underway and in the near future the Ordzhonikidze machine-tool plant will get a chance for revival.
  • Finches
    Finches 5 February 2016 21: 06
    -1
    Surnames are the same - Chubais, Gref, Kudrin, Surkov, Ulyukaev, Dvorkovich ... their name is legion! GDP just can’t do anything ... It’s elementary to shoot, but even Stalin didn’t succeed ...
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 5 February 2016 22: 45
      +6
      Quote: Finches
      GDP just can't do anything.

      And he doesn’t want to do anything!
  • SergeyA
    SergeyA 5 February 2016 22: 51
    +5
    Quote: onix757
    That's right, one sausage shop built has 3 large enterprises destroyed

    PUTINIAD or running on the spot!
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 6 February 2016 01: 45
    +3
    It is understandable, now for world imperialism the main thing is to destroy Russia. To do this, it is necessary to destroy its industry.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 6 February 2016 01: 46
    +2
    As the best tool in the old days, peasants of the countryside, under unbearable conditions of existence, used to shake off the sled against their landlords, and from time to time this use allowed the peasants to weaken merciless exploitation and even free themselves from the oppression of the exploiters. This experience must be applied with modern shafts, for example, in the form of the same truckers with their long wagons, and there is what they need, protesting against a new form of oppression by exploiters like the Rottenbergs of Putin's Plato system. It is necessary to pay by mass protests, up to the resignation of the entire Putin power vertical.
  • sichevik
    sichevik 6 February 2016 10: 59
    +1
    Quote: onix757
    That's right, one sausage shop built has 3 large enterprises destroyed

    Everything to the point of banality is simple. In the production of sausages, chips, vodka and soda water, the invested funds give a profit much faster than in mechanical engineering or any other high-tech production. That is why mechanical engineering is neither restored nor heavy or light. Machine tool building completely poher. They produce some simple machines such as hydraulic presses or guillotine shears. But upon close and careful examination, it turns out that these are all remnants of former luxury from the USSR. Just a little updated and brought into a divine form. And in order to assemble something more complicated, well, at least some kind of vertical-boring machine (I'm not talking about turning, milling, grinding and boring, and even more so I am silent about CNC machines), there can be no question of that. But they did before, during the times of the USSR, all kinds of different equipment. Both sophisticated and highly accurate.
  • Skif83
    Skif83 6 February 2016 16: 46
    +2
    And if with them in Stalin's style, you look, and such plants would be whole.
    Sorry no one ...
  • captain
    captain 5 February 2016 18: 55
    11
    Apparently this, someone needed it. Just because the factories do not tumble.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 5 February 2016 19: 09
      17
      Quote: captain
      Apparently this, someone needed it. Just because the factories do not tumble.

      Yes, it is necessary. The United States and the West need Russia to remain a gas station, and free of charge. Dropped world oil prices and the country's budget is falling apart. Citizens Russians tighten their belts in the name of saving the economies of other countries, otherwise they will cease to be leaders.
      One thought after reading the article, the pro-Western government, resigned.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 5 February 2016 19: 39
        +6
        Quote: olimpiada15
        The United States and the West need Russia to remain a gas station, and free of charge. Dropped world oil prices and the country's budget is falling apart.



        Hmm ... Then today in the State Duma the thought-idea sounded about freezing oil sales for export for 5 years ...

        Of course, I don’t like that our budget depends on world oil prices ... However, I don’t like the fact that idiots who are not friends with their own heads sit in the State Duma and speak ...
        1. onix757
          onix757 5 February 2016 19: 47
          +1
          Quote: veksha50
          Of course, I don’t like that our budget depends on world oil prices ... However, I don’t like the fact that idiots who are not friends with their own heads sit in the State Duma and speak ...

          Well for a month it would not hurt
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 5 February 2016 21: 28
            +6
            Quote: onix757
            Well for a month it would not hurt


            There is enough oil in the world ... All these prices are a game ... BUT (!!!) our IDEETs, developing and approving the country's budget, are always tied to the prices of a jug of oil and the rate of gray-green candy wrapper ...

            Well, they will freeze ... So Iran itself will occupy a niche ...

            Before you start YOUR oil for YOUR needs, you need to be prepared for this ... You need to have at least the capacity to process it, and so on, and tyry-pyr ... And so, what has been said so far with planned sequestration deficits - cuts like a hollow bark of a brethren dog ... Look, people, I am glad for the state ...

            PS However, they have already come up with taxes on garbage (which means that utility services for garbage removal will also rise in price), they will increase excise taxes on "harmful" products by 30% ... I never cease to be surprised at the stupidity of the boyars ...
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 5 February 2016 19: 14
      21
      Quote: captain
      Apparently this, someone needed it. Just because the factories do not tumble.


      And who needs it?
      In the city of Volsk, Saratov Region (in Soviet times, it occupied the 2nd place in the RSFSR for the production of high-quality cement), only one works out of four cement plants (and even half-strength). Workers are fired, are supplemented by casual earnings and drink too much. Raw materials (limestone) reserves for a hundred years. And who needed this mess? Or does the country no longer need portland cement? Or buy cement in South Africa for the currency of someone golden?
      And there is nothing to say about machine tool building (the basis of all types of industry) and especially precise robotic machine tool building. We bow to the sirs and the gers. Fuck... .
      Sorry for the fuse, boiling.
      1. fif21
        fif21 5 February 2016 22: 25
        -1
        Quote: Lelek
        And there is nothing to say about machine tool building (the basis of all types of industry) and especially precise robotic machine tool building.
        But here on one of the "branches" of the site they rubbed me that Russia needs Western technologies and equipment. In the internet, moonshine apparatuses advertise-German laughing German breweries, sawmills-Italian, wood dryers-Italian, Finnish .. And the election article is coming soon, that’s driving the rubella. am And how many such articles will still be stop Would you walk the forest gentlemen, fellow revolutionaries.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 5 February 2016 22: 55
          +1
          Quote: fif21
          Italian sawmills,

          Here is what sawmill import substitution has long been a fact! wink
          1. fif21
            fif21 6 February 2016 09: 42
            0
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Here is the fact that the sawmill has long been imported-it is a fact!
            laughing laughing laughing For some reason, only the timber and the board with these sawmills resemble the Amur waves, and the energy costs for them are fantastic.
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          3. fif21
            fif21 6 February 2016 17: 07
            0
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Here is the fact that the sawmill has long been imported-it is a fact!
            And the sawmill that you mean cannot be stopped, it is unique, cuts everything! wassat
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    3. GRAY
      GRAY 5 February 2016 19: 22
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: captain
      Just because the plants do not wallow.

      So far, the half-dead plant has ceased to exist as a legal entity and nothing more.
  • Alez
    Alez 5 February 2016 18: 56
    19
    Enemies not abroad, enemies within the country, wolves in sheep's clothing.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 5 February 2016 19: 02
      10
      Do not flatter yourself, they are both abroad and here. It is necessary to return the death penalty for treason and sabotage. Oh, I have to.
    2. fif21
      fif21 5 February 2016 22: 32
      -5
      Quote: Alez
      Enemies not abroad, enemies within the country
      There is no meaner enemy for a man than himself. And, the fact that we do not step in orderly rows towards a brighter future is only necessary for us to rejoice.
  • Loner_53
    Loner_53 5 February 2016 18: 56
    10
    And the signing by Vladimir Vladimirovich of the aforementioned “List of Instructions” makes it clear that the automotive industry and related industries are an important part of the development line of the Russian Federation

    It turns out that even Putin is not a decree for these creatures, it’s a pity that we’re not the 37th am
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 5 February 2016 19: 21
      -2
      Personally, my opinion - had Putin been tougher - we would have already worn flowers to his grave. He somehow tries to maneuver between the distraught oligarchs and the poor people. His good intentions, apparently, he is trying for the country, but it seems as if his hands are tied or something ...
      1. Gorinich
        Gorinich 5 February 2016 20: 01
        14
        He does not maneuver, he roofs them and this is a huge difference.
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 5 February 2016 22: 47
        +5
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        His good intentions

        Good intentions laid the road to hell!
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 5 February 2016 18: 56
    26
    "Who is Destroying Russian Industry?"
    Those who destroy Russian medicine and education. In St. Petersburg, 442 District Military Clinical Hospital was destroyed in the same way. 1200 beds were in it. Nobody even stood up. It is in the center of St. Petersburg, next to the Smolny Cathedral. Can you imagine how much land there is? And here the "smelly" soldiers are running around. And the Hospital is 175 years old. It was. Thanks to the stool and matvienko.
    P.S. - Shoigu managed to come - although historic buildings did not dismantle the stones. And thanks for that.
    1. Sorokin
      Sorokin 5 February 2016 19: 04
      +6
      And how many enterprises were on its territory. Not in the know? Tenants all over Russia started to hit. But then a zone for the palace appeared.
    2. muks
      muks 5 February 2016 19: 07
      16
      At the Baltic Station there was a plant: lifting and transport equipment named after CM. Kirov. In addition to PT equipment, ball bearings were also manufactured. Diameter 0,2 mm ... etc. There is no factory, there is a house with business parasites and a "tape" - the one in which they sell. Instead of Varshavsky railway station, what? Instead of a meat processing plant, what? Instead of a dairy plant, what is at Frunenskaya? Who will stand up? 2017 coming soon ....
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 5 February 2016 21: 28
        +7
        Here is your Leningrad-91. Now we are reaping the benefits. Managers mentioned in the video have long learned from the West how to manage our economy.
      2. fif21
        fif21 6 February 2016 09: 36
        -2
        Quote: muks
        At the Baltic station the plant was

        Moscow and Peter-talk are special! Cities for the rich and through the efforts of the authorities of the workers and factories in them will be a minimum (service staff). The poor worker is the driving force of the revolution, but do the gentlemen need it? Therefore, forget about the factories in Moscow and St. Petersburg. In the capitals, even retirees maintain a normal standard of living. Therefore, the destruction of Russia can begin according to the Ukrainian scenario — the Far East will be taken by the Chinese, and Siberia and the Urals and the Volga region may declare themselves independent republics and send the capitals with forests. hi
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  • Yura
    Yura 5 February 2016 18: 57
    +6
    Major Andersson and not so on the shoulder ...
    To Major? What is it like? Whose US Army, Swedish? Or whose else? So whose is it all the same? For our money, with our shovel on our back, okay?
  • Michael67
    Michael67 5 February 2016 18: 59
    +9
    How can this be? I can’t even believe it. It is necessary to take the Swede to Poltava. Then create a state commission upon the defeat of the enterprise and transplant all the initiators!
  • kervin78
    kervin78 5 February 2016 19: 00
    15
    The plant will be demolished and shopping centers will be built. In Novokuznetsk, according to such a plan, the KMK workshops (Kuznetsk Metallurgical Plant) are already demolished. And there is already a shopping center, which in the city came out like mushrooms after rain.
    1. lexx2038
      lexx2038 5 February 2016 19: 19
      13
      Quote: kervin78
      The plant will be demolished and shopping centers will be built. In Novokuznetsk, according to such a plan, the KMK workshops (Kuznetsk Metallurgical Plant) are already demolished. And there is already a shopping center, which in the city came out like mushrooms after rain.

      And we will turn into a country of traders and lawyers, and then Westerner even more evil lawyers will come and our ours will serve them for green paper destroying the remnants of their people and their kind. So empires will fall without wars and cataclysms. The top is all sold, but nothing depends on the people. How to find a way out? That is the question.
    2. Nzn
      Nzn 5 February 2016 19: 41
      10
      There is a clear tendency to transform from an industrial power into a consumer (lyaksky) Itelsky one. I agree with the conclusions above. This is not only sabotage. This is a diversion!
      In the comments to the article (link below), a list of enterprises destroyed over the past decade and a half is given.

      http://topwar.ru/90347-v-evroparlamente-zayavili-chto-sankcii-protiv-rf-budut-sn
      yaty-tolko-posle-vozvrascheniya-kryma-ukraine.html # comment-id-5531544
  • mek1953km
    mek1953km 5 February 2016 19: 01
    +3
    And where to look for the ends now. The culprit should be.
  • Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 5 February 2016 19: 03
    +1
    Judging by the surname of this Varangian, he is also that storyteller. It’s a pity that we still have many fairy tale lovers ...
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 5 February 2016 19: 16
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir71
      Judging by the surname of this Varangian, he is also that storyteller. It’s a pity that we still have many fairy tale lovers ...

      While enterprises will be privatized, while foreign (and their own) managers will manage, there will be endless optimizations and closures
  • 1536
    1536 5 February 2016 19: 06
    +7
    What to say? It looks like the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. And all meetings, resolutions, etc. government actions are worthless! Downshifters, one word!
    1. 13 warrior
      13 warrior 5 February 2016 19: 16
      +4
      Just for the actions of the hands low control on the part of the brain.
      Or are we having problems with the vistibular apparatus?
  • vfqjh
    vfqjh 5 February 2016 19: 08
    10
    Breaking, not building! Mind is not necessary. I happened to work at such an enterprise in due time. Produced products for aviation and space, completed strollers. All specialists on the street, conversion, her mother is a child. Now let's get back in the ass. Why then destroyed? Oh, managers, managers ... If only we could fill our pockets, but the grass doesn’t grow there ................
  • Dryulea
    Dryulea 5 February 2016 19: 12
    11
    Not only in Novokuznetsk, it is everywhere! In our plant in Smolensk, the Centaur factory also cut machines (even new ones) and turned them into scrap metal. The management even refused to sell them to those who wanted it. Now there is another shopping center. Instead of a flax mill, there is also a shopping center. And after the liberation of Smolensk in 1943, it was the first restored enterprise
  • onix757
    onix757 5 February 2016 19: 12
    +3
    Nikolai Merkushkin, who for six months ignored rallies, pickets, appeals and appeals from the reduced and desperate to demand payment of wage arrears to employees of AvtoVazagregat, said today that the regional government is going to provide support to the residents of Tolyatti thrown out onto the street.
    Merkushkin named the involvement of former employees of AvtoVAZagregat as one of the options for "support" of unemployed and salary citizens to community service. The governor assigned responsibility for paying debts to employees and workers of the enterprise to law enforcement agencies, which, according to him, should occupy a "tough and principled position."
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 5 February 2016 19: 13
    -1
    Here is a little more detailed about this, although the news is old http://ria.ru/economy/20151207/1337810297.html
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 5 February 2016 19: 14
    +7
    Quote: Vladimir71
    Judging by the surname of this Varangian, he is also that storyteller.

    Storyteller, storyteller. When invited, they hoped that he was a magician, but turned out to be a storyteller. For these unbridled actions to kill our factories, punishment will follow no more than Serdyukov-Vasilyeva. Means - "cover".
  • Dryulea
    Dryulea 5 February 2016 19: 18
    +7
    Andersson also successfully failed the Volga-Siber project at GAZ, and now Skoda is being released instead of the Volga. So now I have an exclusive car, the latest model of the Volga.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 6 February 2016 00: 14
      +2
      Skoda will be more modern than the outdated by then Dodge Stratus, on the basis of which they made Cyber. In general, a strange idea was with this Cyber. Or just cut it.
  • ahil
    ahil 5 February 2016 19: 19
    -4
    Not everything is as scary as in this article, we are not fools.
    1. iouris
      iouris 5 February 2016 19: 22
      +3
      Of course, not fools "are sitting here". This is a completely different story.
      It used to be scary, it has long been used to.
    2. onix757
      onix757 5 February 2016 19: 26
      +3
      Good point. According to Sidelts, fools are not poor.
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 5 February 2016 19: 20
    0
    You can pour andersen with mud, but the fact that VAZ cars have improved quality is a fact.
    1. onix757
      onix757 5 February 2016 19: 24
      0
      Yes, in general, the engines and boxes from behind the hillock and without a VAZ were not bad)
    2. QWERTY
      QWERTY 5 February 2016 20: 46
      +1
      Well, they also raised the price, this is also a fact. Buy an incomprehensible Lada Vesta at the price of Kia Rio? In general, our pricing is lame. How can a UAZ loaf cost 600 thousand ??? No, it has become better, I do not argue, much ... but not so much?
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 5 February 2016 21: 03
        0
        You can not buy, I said, that the quality has grown.
    3. fif21
      fif21 5 February 2016 22: 42
      -4
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      but the fact that VAZ cars have improved quality is a fact.
      And what is the percentage of imported parts in the car? And why even foreign cars assembled at our plants, our workers turn into buckets with bolts?
      1. Vitaly72
        Vitaly72 6 February 2016 00: 05
        +1
        As for the buckets, it is true that he worked as a contractor in Vsevolozhsk at the FORD factory, the percentage of marriage is huge, the territory is forced by marriage
  • Nimitz
    Nimitz 5 February 2016 19: 21
    11
    I live in Togliatti, out of more than a few dozen friends who previously worked at VAZ, not one works there now. By any means adjusters, electronics engineers, engineers, foremen, machine operators are fired. You can get a job at a VAZ only if you have no education and you need to "light up" as an alcoholic or drug addict. It is such a team that Boris Ivanovich grows (as we call Bu Inge Anderson), to assemble under a screwdriver from ready-made components produced abroad, what, in his opinion, is needed for us.
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    2. iouris
      iouris 5 February 2016 22: 08
      +4
      Boris Ivanovich pursues the policy of Boris Nikolaevich.
    3. fif21
      fif21 6 February 2016 11: 43
      0
      Quote: Nimitz
      It’s possible to work at a VAZ only if there is no education
      A real assessment of the VAZ was given by motorists of the country. Authority is earned over the years, and you can lose it in 5 minutes. The demand for VAZ was only in times of lack of competition. Selling defective cars to people What were you thinking? So they got what they deserved. It seems that you just hate people buying VAZs.
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  • olf
    olf 5 February 2016 19: 21
    18
    We were slowly brought to the sale of State Assets, every single day they say that there is no money. Where did the Stabilization Fund go? Why are new enterprises not being built, but on the contrary being closed? In general, the government and the country's leadership brought us to a choice, to be silent and look at their treacherous policy, or maybe it's time to expel you, gentlemen "managers". Until they managed. And on the way out not to the luxurious chambers, but to the camp bunks.
    1. fif21
      fif21 5 February 2016 22: 51
      -2
      Quote: olf
      Where did the Stabilization Fund go? Why aren’t new enterprises being built
      Under capitalism, the state does not interfere in business affairs, but only establishes the "rules of the game" by stimulating business through tax breaks and customs duties. We have private ownership of the means of production, not state ownership fool
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  • Dryulea
    Dryulea 5 February 2016 19: 23
    +3
    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    You can pour andersen with mud, but the fact that VAZ cars have improved quality is a fact.

    And how much money did the state swell in AvtoVAZ?
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 5 February 2016 19: 28
    13
    A very interesting point is reflected in the article.
    Situation development:
    1) There is an independent effective profitable enterprise.
    2) Subordinate the enterprise to AvtoVAZ.
    3) The enterprise, under conditions of subordination, begins to work only for one industry, therefore it becomes ineffective
    4) The new owner gets rid of the enterprise, which has become a burden.
    The chain of their 4 moves led the country’s desired enterprise to liquidation and made many industries dependent on imports.
    For whom is this done? What is the proper name for those involved in the destruction of Russian industry?
    Does the FSB perform its functions? We are talking about the economic security of the country.
    And the worst thing is that this situation reminded the destruction of the country in the 90s.
    It is often blamed for the collapse of the country of the Communists. And this case suggests that the same force destroyed the USSR, came to power, and continues to pursue the course of colonizing the country.
  • sergei.84
    sergei.84 5 February 2016 19: 28
    +2
    VAZ (stepson FIATA) Never was, and now will not be a normal car. It's all about the culture of production and the timely change of models. And the price is fanare!
  • veksha50
    veksha50 5 February 2016 19: 29
    +5
    "Lost a rare opportunity to ensure import substitution at the level of our own engineering and our own high-tech products"...

    Hmm ... I already after the "execution" of the May decrees of the GDP (I do not remember what year) long ago realized that the government is a bunch of saboteurs ... And the admission to the management of such production - more precisely, to its destruction - a Varangian is a direct state a crime...

    And - alas - again, NOBODY will bear any responsibility for what they have done ...

    PS Read such news - throw yourself into the arms of a heart attack-kondratiya, and even look at the night - all the more ...
  • cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 5 February 2016 19: 31
    +6
    Well, there will be one more shopping center in the city. Now in Russia the economy is estimated this way, the more shopping centers in the city - the more it is economically developed. Visit him - yes. Buy in it - yes. Money goes to the treasury - yes. Well then everything is good! So the current government is still a factory or a shopping center.
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 5 February 2016 19: 32
    0
    Quote: mek1953km
    And where to look for the ends now. The culprit should be.

    Too deep, unfortunately. Hope for GDP? I would like to believe hi
  • mek1953km
    mek1953km 5 February 2016 19: 35
    +3
    As always, the prosecutor’s office didn’t see anything. Where to look for the ends now.
    1. valera
      valera 5 February 2016 19: 41
      +4
      Quote: mek1953km
      As always, the prosecutor’s office didn’t see anything. Where to look for the ends now.

      Well, she’s busy with more important things. You’ll think about some factory ditching. It’s easier to come off popularly beloved animals sad
      People on social networks are still having fun, and only the prosecutor’s office is not laughing: the Novosibirsk lawyer Alexei Krestyanov forced the state machine to work! And I disturbed him for an insane reason: it makes me check whether there is a vice in the friendship between the tiger Amur and the goat Timur from the Primorsky safari park? Today, February 5, the lawyer received a response to e-mail. “The Prosecutor General’s Office passed his appeal to the prosecutor’s office of the Primorsky Territory and now there is a“ verification of the arguments, ”the letter said. Here you have the jokes!
      1. bhdir1946
        bhdir1946 5 February 2016 20: 39
        +1
        "Optimistic tragedy." Suitable for the report, but why deal with serious and important matters?
  • vassa
    vassa 5 February 2016 19: 36
    +5
    But the Turks feel good with us. In Bor, for example, a glass factory is booming. Turkish. And our glassmaking is in ruins.
  • sania275
    sania275 5 February 2016 19: 37
    0
    Elections to the State Duma are just around the corner. There will be many more exposing articles from all parties. Probably the "liberals" especially .. will vomit. Lord, do not bring them to power. But there are many questions to a united Russia.
    1. bhdir1946
      bhdir1946 5 February 2016 20: 47
      0
      I agree with you. But if you look at what under the leadership of the (majority) EP took place in the VS. Ministry of Internal Affairs, in agriculture and forestry, in general, in industry. The economy .... That special data is not needed.
  • owl
    owl 5 February 2016 19: 39
    +3
    But damn it, and I’m a sinner thought that the collapse of the industry today is directly responsible Denis Valentinovich bully and that monster that put him there, about the competent authorities, it just so happened today that there’s no need to speak.
  • akula
    akula 5 February 2016 19: 41
    +5
    Quote: ahil
    Not everything is as scary as in this article, we are not fools.

    Of course, not fools, in which case somewhere in England they will have a warm little place.
  • obama
    obama 5 February 2016 19: 48
    -7
    Woe, what a grief)) I work at an unnecessary automobile plant, "hands out of a z o p s", the city of Togliatti.
  • 1goose3
    1goose3 5 February 2016 19: 50
    +4
    While the guilty freaks, from top to bottom, will not be put against the wall, it will be so.
  • pvmvmp
    pvmvmp 5 February 2016 19: 58
    10
    In the photo: Comrade Ulyukaev from the Ministry of Economic Destruction, of course, the subject of pride for liberals Nabiullina - the head of the office serving speculators, Siluanov is still not the former Minister of Finance, who sing dull romances
    1. alone
      alone 5 February 2016 20: 48
      +3
      Quote: pvmvmp
      Comrade Ulyukaev from the Ministry of Economic Destruction, of course, the liberals are proud of Nabiullina - the head of the office serving speculators, Siluanov is still not the former Minister of Finance, who sing dull romances


      And who appointed them? Obama? Or Merkel?
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 5 February 2016 21: 30
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        And who appointed them? Obama? Or Merkel?



        The Council of the Sages of Zion ...
  • vell.65
    vell.65 5 February 2016 20: 03
    -6
    For a long time already wrote_Medvedeva with his henchmen _on a dump and let people talk about Putin poorly_ man revived Russia. soldier
    1. alone
      alone 5 February 2016 20: 49
      +4
      Quote: vell.65
      For a long time already wrote_Medvedeva with his henchmen _on a dump and let people talk about Putin poorly_ man revived Russia.

      Medvedev and his team are strange. Everyone knows that all these people are Putin’s team.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 5 February 2016 21: 43
      +5
      For a long time already wrote_Medvedeva with his henchmen _on a dump and let people talk about Putin poorly_ man revived Russia.
      Medvedev and his minions Putin’s people, how does one revive and destroy the other?
    3. Vitaly72
      Vitaly72 6 February 2016 00: 37
      0
      Well, damn it, I don’t know, on the one hand Russia rises from its knees, that's for sure, on the other, I fell and didn’t rise, maybe this is the homespun truth
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 5 February 2016 20: 06
    +6
    Quote: sania275
    Elections to the State Duma are just around the corner. There will be many more exposing articles from all parties. Probably the "liberals" especially .. will vomit. Lord, do not bring them to power. But there are many questions to a united Russia.


    It's not about the liberals. Liberals were now more afraid of this. The current situation is entirely "merit" of the current elite. And who they are - hell will understand. But definitely not statesmen and not patriots.

    There are no questions to EdR. With him, more than understandable. Reminds a dog in the hay. A mediocre party uniting those in power. Expecting from her something is at least naive. Yes, there are skipping intelligent individuals. But they can’t do the weather. And the rest of the party is no better. Pure clowning. So can anyone explain to me how the LDPR and the Communist Party differ from EdRa?
  • barsik92090
    barsik92090 5 February 2016 20: 08
    +1
    This is a liberal industrial policy in which the term "sabotage" is absent as such [/ quote]
    This is what urgently needs to be investigated publicly, openly and, using this example, to find saboteurs and traitors to the Motherland!
  • Cobra77
    Cobra77 5 February 2016 20: 16
    +1
    Quote: Andrey Peter
    Quote: mek1953km
    And where to look for the ends now. The culprit should be.

    Too deep, unfortunately. Hope for GDP? I would like to believe hi


    Who is the hope for? It’s better to arrange a procession and a prayer for the recovery of the economy and the punishment of those responsible. There will be more sense.
  • mek1953km
    mek1953km 5 February 2016 20: 19
    +4
    I don’t vote for edros anymore. For the Communists it is necessary, they unearthed this business.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 5 February 2016 20: 30
      -5
      Quote: mek1953km
      It is necessary for the Communists, they unearthed this business.

      They didn’t unearth anything; this is pure populism. When a subsidiary is part of the main company, it is not collapse or liquidation - it is a merger.
      In this case, a single deputy, replacing concepts, runs the risk of being caught in a lie and casts a shadow over his party.
      You need to drive such people to the neck - if you are already going to lie, then lie correctly.
    2. owl
      owl 5 February 2016 20: 36
      0
      Quote: mek1953km
      . For the Communists need, they unearthed this business.

      With all my attitude to the Communist Party, they don’t dug up it’s just not shown on TV smile and you are my advice, you should not draw such powerful conclusions on trifles in the future and do not be disappointed later!
  • NGK
    NGK 5 February 2016 20: 22
    19
    That's a bit strange and incomprehensible! It seems that here on the site there is a whole bunch of rather intelligent and educated men with a critical outlook on life! Am I getting it right? And all the time they are looking for reasons to justify our guarantor - but he is not guilty of anything! He is good! These are all evil liberals, Medvedev Gref, Ulyukaev, etc. And who appointed them to the government? The Massons with the Zionists and other "Asta" and "Ista"? Where did Serdyukov, Dvorkovich and Valyukha Matvienko come from? And Sanyok Tkachev is also a Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge, an oligarch whom the guarantor is afraid of? He maneuvers, you see! With such an apparatus of violence in your hands? Don't tell my slippers. He has only to lift a finger, and there will be no Chubais, no Deripasoks with Khakamads and Gozmans by tomorrow morning! And he won't get anything for it! He wants to, but he can't! Aha! Doesn't want to! Who wants, he can! Look at China, Vietnam, Singapore. They wanted and could! Singapore, so in general, heaven on earth has become, the 22nd century! I have been there regularly since 1981, almost to the present day - there were a swindler on a swindler and they were driven by a swindler. And now it is the center of the world's high technologies with the highest standard of living! The President, like the captain on the ship, is responsible for everything that happens. I did not know the words, I did not know, the subordinates are to blame - they do not pass! He knows everything and knows everything and without his consent nothing happens in the country. So don't get your hopes up! It won't get any better!
    1. aina01
      aina01 6 February 2016 08: 35
      -2
      Kalashnikov is right, however, as always, but they’re not listening to him, but Volodya’s, Ulyukaevs, Grefs, Medvedevs ... The fewer bastards on an avatar, the more sober thoughts in discussion. The site is Putinophile, clearly visible without glasses. RUSSIAN PEOPLE, WAKE UP !!!!!!! WE HAVE IN ALL GAPES !!!! They rob, tear off from the past and do not give to look into the future.
  • nogBogHuk
    nogBogHuk 5 February 2016 20: 38
    +6
    As you listen to ours, almost every day it is only introduced, but in fact there is nothing to write about. Look at the site "made with us" They write that they sent planes to Syria or a military ship is being tested, but to build production to launch once a floor years and then if somewhere is a "watchman",
    will build or launch something. Where are the plans for development and import substitution, or do they think good uncles will come and build production in Russia. The state has tried to develop nanotechnology, but with such a sawmill as Chubais it will be a "black hole" it is.
  • satelit24
    satelit24 5 February 2016 20: 38
    +4
    In Samara, the GRU regiment was disbanded! On the box showed how half of them at the labor exchange were looking for work (did not know to cry or laugh recourse
  • nogBogHuk
    nogBogHuk 5 February 2016 20: 41
    +2
    Totally agree this is the committee on the destruction of Russia
  • Viktor2410
    Viktor2410 5 February 2016 20: 47
    0
    Here is one person tearing his throat, but for some reason we don’t hear him: http: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = Vly4wZ3XbU4
  • Jeb
    Jeb 5 February 2016 20: 50
    +3
    Quote: Maxom75
    I vote for the Communists, I understand that they will not come to power, but at least let the talkers in the Duma spoil the blood. I am a supporter of the position that large enterprises and concerns (especially raw materials) should belong to the state, and therefore to all citizens. But medium and small enterprises should be private. The main customer for innovation - it should be the state! Only the state has the necessary volume of orders and financial opportunities, and the state should develop the country according to a plan that would take into account the interests of the majority of the population!

    I absolutely agree with you! And also to organize state trade networks with a system of purchases directly from the manufacturer. This would make it possible to act as a regulator of pricing when selling products and squeeze out speculators and other cushioning companies from this sector, called "businessmen" by the liberals!
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 5 February 2016 20: 53
    +5
    Tolmach (2) RU Today, 19: 47 ↑ New

    Guys, let's define who these most elusive "Liberals" are, who prevent our people from living in peace and building a great country. Who are these bastards who pulled us into the market economy, who joined the WTO, ...


    Destroy a ship can the one in whose hands the steering wheel of this ship! Surnames or call yourself come ?!
    1. owl
      owl 5 February 2016 21: 19
      +1
      The chase after
  • Budilnik
    Budilnik 5 February 2016 21: 03
    +3
    There is no Stalin on them!
  • Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 5 February 2016 21: 07
    +4
    Quote: Fonmeg
    Tolmach (2) RU Today, 19: 47 ↑ New

    Guys, let's define who these most elusive "Liberals" are, who prevent our people from living in peace and building a great country. Who are these bastards who pulled us into the market economy, who joined the WTO, ...

    Destroy a ship can the one in whose hands the steering wheel of this ship! Surnames or call yourself come ?!


    I am very much afraid of the FSB and other guardsmen, and therefore I will not name the names, otherwise one of the main pogromists himself, they say, "from there." And to be honest, what did we expect from our oil-pumping oligarchs and their henchmen, who are now commonly called "liberals", "the economic bloc of the government," "democrats"? It is not in their interests to let the working class develop in our country, they fully agree with the tetcherikha's plan for 15 thousand of our citizens, the rest are extra hungry mouths, unprofitable in a raw materials, colonial "economy."

    As if Andrei Vyshinsky said about our "unnamed" people:

    "1) ... is an organization of espionage, sabotage, sabotage, political assassinations and the sale of their homeland to enemies.

    2) ... Berries and Bulanovs, Krestinsky and Rosengoltsy, Ikramovs, Khodzhaevs and Sharangovichi under the leadership of Trotsky, under the leadership of German, Japanese, Polish and other intelligence, do their dirty deed on the orders of their masters not only in our country, but also in China and in Spain, wherever there is a class struggle of the working people, where there is a struggle of honest people for genuine freedom, for genuine democracy, for a real genuine human culture.

    3) Our entire country, from small to old, is waiting and demanding one thing: to shoot traitors and spies who sold our homeland to the enemy like nasty dogs! Our people demand one thing: crush the accursed reptile! "

    Replace the surnames, names of some countries and at the exit you will receive comprehensive information about the situation in our country. Crush the damned reptile!