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The first tank: why the army of Russia mechanized fist

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The first tank: why the army of Russia mechanized fist



MOSCOW, February 2. / TASS /. First Guards tank The army was re-formed in the Western Military District (ZVO). This was announced on February 1 by the Russian Ministry of Defense.



Its structure included the Kantemirovskaya tank and Taman motorized rifle divisions, as well as a number of other formations and units. The headquarters of the new army will be deployed in the Moscow region.



According to the military department, the main armored tanks T-72B3, T-80, infantry fighting vehicles BMP-2, as well as over 130 types of other types of military equipment and modifications are in service.



On January 29, Major-General Alexander Chaiko was presented with the standard commander of the 1-th Guards Tank Army at the board of the Russian Defense Ministry.



It was also reported that this year military personnel of this army, under the command of Chaiko, will have to spend over 1,5 thousands of combat firing units, platoons, company and battalion tactical exercises, as well as planned combat training activities.



Russian military leaders specifically commented on this decision for TASS:



Maslov: "return to the regiments, divisions and armies"



The Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in 2004-2007, Army General Alexei Maslov said that the creation of the first tank "is definitely the right decision."



He stressed that "previously these two divisions - Taman and Kantemirovskaya (they became part of the 1 tank army - TASS approx.) - were not very convenient to manage. The headquarters of the Western Military District is located in St. Petersburg, and both units are in Moscow Region. Therefore some kind of governing body should be created. "



"It is very good that such was the operational unification - the tank army," said Maslov.



Its formation will make it possible to improve the training of formations for carrying out missions for their intended purpose, improve the quality of combat training, and strengthen control over the daily activities of units and formations. And finally, this is a kind of return to our historical roots - regiments, divisions, armies. We should not chase new-fangled terms. We have something to be proud of without it. One story of the 1st Guards Tank Army is worth a lot in this regard

Shevtsov: "elimination of flaws and errors"



The commander of the 1 Guards Tank Army (1991-1993), the Chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces (1995), Colonel-General Leonty Shevtsov noted that “the revival of the tank army is the elimination of flaws and mistakes laid down by the former the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff. "



Previously, the disbanding of formations and unions was accomplished to the accompaniment of statements that Russia currently has no enemies and that it now does not need to contain corps and army type formations in the Armed Forces.



Shevtsov recalled that when he was the representative of the Russian Federation at the Allied Command Headquarters in Brussels in 1995-1997, "this military unit included 16 states, today is already 28, and our western border is bare."



Therefore, he assured that, "without any doubt, the re-creation of the 1 Guards Tank Army is absolutely the right decision."



The newly formed 1-I Guards in their combat and numerical strength, according to Shevtsov, no more than a body. “At present, there are only two divisions and one brigade in the army. In former times, there were at least four to five divisions in such operational units, and sometimes their number reached ten,” he emphasized.



According to the colonel-general, at least two more full-blooded units should be included in this army.



"The Taman and Kantemirov divisions were never fully equipped units. As a rule, these divisions were contained in a two-regimental squad. Their number did not reach 12-12,5 thousand, which corresponds to a fully-equipped division. And if the compound is equipped with 70%, this means in practice, it is limited in combat readiness. For military parades, the capabilities of the Taman and Kantemirov divisions are quite enough, but for fighting, probably, not, ”Shevtsov stressed.



Also, according to the general, “the decision on the formation of the army is one thing, and quite another when the newly created association becomes a truly manageable and combat-ready military body.” "Even the deployment and bringing to combat readiness of one division took a very long time. Sometimes it was three years, sometimes even more," Shevtsov assured.



In addition, a lot of effort will require the preparation of appropriate infrastructure.



In a fully staffed division of the state about 1200 officers. For them, we need housing that meets modern standards. And still required are barracks for personnel, training centers, training grounds, capital facilities for storing weapons and military equipment, and established stocks of material resources. And now raise this bar to the army level, and it will become clear how much more effort and hard work ahead. That is, you can assemble personnel, equipment, too, but it will not be the army yet. In other words, work, work and work again

Sitnov: "We do not need to copy the American experience"



The chief of armament of the Russian Ministry of Defense in 1994-2000, Colonel-General Anatoly Sitnov said that the re-establishment of a tank army "can only be regarded as a step in an exceptionally correct direction."



Initially, divisions were recreated in the Russian Armed Forces, now it is the turn of the operational units — armies. According to Sitnov, it is the division that is the key element in the Armed Forces of Russia and “the decision taken at the time to switch to the brigade basis should be regarded as wrong for our conditions”.



Only a division, a kind of self-sufficient and effective compound with its own control system, is able to successfully solve its tasks. What is being created today (the formation of the 1 Tank Army - TASS approx.) Is a revival of structures capable of solving operational and operational-strategic tasks in certain areas. And this is good news. We do not need to copy the American experience. We have our own experience, and the richest, enough

After the re-establishment of armies, according to Sitnov, it is also necessary to revive front-line and strategic sets of units and formations. "All these organizational and staff measures should ultimately lead to a dramatic increase in the technical readiness of weapons, the revival of the weapons recovery system," he stressed.



Also, according to the general, it is necessary to revise the powers of the commanders-in-chief of the branches of the Armed Forces. "Their role in many issues and in many areas should be significantly enhanced. This is especially true of the revival of the training system, issues of combat and operational training."

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  1. Putinets
    Putinets 4 February 2016 19: 45
    22
    Maybe not, but our armored train is on the siding
    And in the end, who will protect the German women from the refugees?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 4 February 2016 19: 48
      38
      Quote: Putin
      who will protect German women from refugees

      Otherwise, we are very worried about them, "I can't even eat ...". wink
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 4 February 2016 19: 59
        91
        Maybe enough for us men to make excuses ...? You need to beat first .. (you know a lot of it ..) hi
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 20: 14
          19
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Maybe enough for us men to make excuses ...? You need to beat first .. (you know a lot of it ..)

          In the exercises, the West-81 was attended by 100 thousand people. More than 1 thousand tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, 6 thousand guns and mortars, more than 6 missile launchers, more than 160 combat aircraft and helicopters were actually involved in the 400st Belorussian Front alone.
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 4 February 2016 21: 41
            10
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            More than 1 thousand tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, 6 thousand guns and mortars, more than 6 missile launchers, more than 160 combat aircraft and helicopters were actually involved in the 400 Belorussian Front alone.

            You have not confused anything with the 1-th Belorussian Front? Like the USSR, the Germans had already won (in 1945) and there were no military operations in the territory of the Belarusian military district in 1981.
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 4 February 2016 22: 56
              +2
              Quote: Алексей_К
              You have not confused anything with the 1-th Belorussian Front? Like the USSR, the Germans had already won (in 1945) and there were no military operations in the territory of the Belarusian military district in 1981.

              I copied this data from one site. Probably meant the Belarusian military district.
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 5 February 2016 01: 04
              +5
              Quote: Алексей_К
              You have not confused anything with the 1-th Belorussian Front?

              Well, a man in the heat of the moment made a slip of the tongue, not the Belarusian Front, but the Belarusian Military District, and you cling to the words request the essence of the idea has not changed smile
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 5 February 2016 23: 30
                +5
                Quote: Captain45
                Quote: Алексей_К
                You have not confused anything with the 1-th Belorussian Front?

                Well, a man in the heat of the moment made a slip of the tongue, not the Belarusian Front, but the Belarusian Military District, and you cling to the words request the essence of the idea has not changed smile

                And I just corrected the person, and did not begin to push him around and call his comment "nonsense", as many on this site do. For this, for my neutrality, they gave me several disadvantages. How much anger some readers have!
                Unlike most of the "rabid" readers, I do not minus for mistakes. But in response to the cons, I answer in kind.
        2. Leviton
          Leviton 5 February 2016 07: 58
          -1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Maybe enough for us men to make excuses ...? You need to beat first .. (you know a lot ..)]

          As the Supreme said ... Leningradskaya Street taught me a lot, and if a fight is inevitable - you have to beat first .... (C)
          1. Remy_Argo
            Remy_Argo 6 February 2016 18: 05
            0
            tank in the subject below - T-90AM
        3. Amatar
          Amatar 5 February 2016 11: 08
          +2
          And who are you? Tankman? Infantryman? Pilot? Will you be the first to hit or will you send a thread? It's easy to be the "hero on the couch" and punch someone else's.
          1. FM-78
            FM-78 6 February 2016 14: 02
            +1
            And who are you? not sitting on the couch? Most likely you control a fighter.
          2. Remy_Argo
            Remy_Argo 6 February 2016 18: 43
            0
            I'm just an office worker but! think that Brigala OTRK Iskander will definitely be part of the 1st tank ...
            below OTRK Point-U
        4. bodzu
          bodzu 5 February 2016 14: 26
          +2
          It is right . And the return to regiments, divisions, armies is also very correct. Russia has always fought with serious opponents and not with the priest aces like the SGA. For example, the SGA butted Japan for four years and what was the final? And only when the USSR gouged Japan in the Chinese theater of operations in a month. "Allies" (Great Britain, SGA, Australia, New Zealand) together with the USSR signed the surrender of Japan.
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 5 February 2016 20: 43
            +3
            Quote: bodzu
            It is right . And a return to regiments, divisions, armies - this is also very correct.

            If I understood correctly, the withdrawal from regiments, divisions, armies was not right. Well, who made it, forgive this decision? Who recommended, who developed the plan? Who carried out the execution? And who ultimately controlled all this?
            Each problem has a surname and a job!
      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 5 February 2016 05: 39
        0
        Yes, you don’t have to worry about them, they wanted to do this .. The German German was in harems, but the Hansiks were circumcised ... Well, the first tank didn’t even get on IT .. Not for this, this connection is created ..
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Putin
        who will protect German women from refugees

        Otherwise, we are very worried about them, "I can't even eat ...". wink
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 4 February 2016 19: 55
      58
      "The revival of the tank army is the elimination of the shortcomings and mistakes laid down by the previous leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff."

      Let the jacket go to the army. hi
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 4 February 2016 20: 01
        +6
        To be precise, a private soldier of Serdyukov was not a "jacket". But it was a "ram".
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 4 February 2016 20: 16
          50
          Oh, everything ... wassat That is nothing to say .... there are only some emotions ... fellow lol

          What can I say to you, our dear partners from NATO ... for short and in one phrase ...laughing
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 5 February 2016 01: 10
            +2
            Quote: Sid.74
            What can I say to you, our dear partners from NATO ... for short and in one phrase ...

            "Do you at least understand what you have done? DBL / BLT" (c) V. Putin, S. Lavrov laughing
      2. Simon
        Simon 4 February 2016 20: 43
        +7
        That's enough, more Serdyukov-stools do not need to be allowed to power, our entire army was devastated and bled, women posed military problems to solve. It is necessary to raise new military commanders, from the level of Zhukov.
        1. uge.garik
          uge.garik 4 February 2016 22: 10
          +4
          ... So, this war is needed .. so that there are such as - Zhukov, Kutuzov, Suvorov ..!
          1. 34 region
            34 region 5 February 2016 00: 00
            +9
            22.10/XNUMX. The war has been going on since the arrival of Gorbachev. And the Zhukovs are not yet visible. Only Vlasovs alone.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 5 February 2016 11: 42
          +2
          Quote: Simon
          That's enough, more Serdyukov-stools do not need to be allowed to power, our entire army was devastated and bled, women posed military problems to solve.

          Yeah ... the easiest way to blame everything on ferns, as in one neighboring country. Here are just a few:
          Taman and Kantemirov divisions never been fully stocked. As a rule, these divisions were kept in a two-regiment structure. Their number did not reach 12-12,5 thousand people, which corresponds to a fully equipped division. And if the connection is 70% complete, then this means in practice that it is limitedly combat-ready. For military parades, the capabilities of the Taman and Kantemirov divisions are quite sufficient, but probably not for the conduct of hostilities

          However, we can recall which army Serdyukov received from his predecessors.
          In the war 08.08.08. in the 19th motorized infantry division (divisions of constant combat readiness!), 50% of the staff were in platoons of personnel. Neighboring 42 msd came to fight on the technique of the early 70's. Half of the downed Su-25s are on the account of their own air defense calculations.
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 4 February 2016 20: 53
        +5
        Quote: vovanpain
        Let the jacket go to the army.

        That's right!
        And now: "... it will take a lot of effort to prepare the appropriate infrastructure."
        Yes, near Moscow there was at one time how many excellent infrastructure was, the most suitable for parts of the newly created TA. Take, for example, the higher officer courses "Shot" in Solnechnogorsk and many other things, which the aforementioned boar and the women had time to ask ...
        1. 34 region
          34 region 5 February 2016 00: 04
          +3
          20.53. Put Tolik was not the first. The first was Khaylo Sergeevich.
      4. the most important
        the most important 4 February 2016 21: 18
        +2
        Quote: vovanpain
        Let the jacket go to the army.

        red slippers are not enough for the dress uniform ...
      5. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 4 February 2016 21: 18
        +7
        Quote: vovanpain
        Let the jacket go to the army.

        Launch this goat with your sheep in any garden ...
        How is the Rostekh garden there? I don’t hear anything!
        Correspondents VO, find out quietly! You know, after all, this LLC is very interesting to everyone!
        And what is the sheep there, how is it doing !?
      6. da Vinci
        da Vinci 4 February 2016 22: 41
        -19 qualifying.
        And who is next to Zhukov, the new president? wassat Apparently - this is coming! lol
        1. Koronik
          Koronik 5 February 2016 04: 38
          +3
          lol You probably meant the new president of Ukraine?
        2. 72jora72
          72jora72 5 February 2016 09: 18
          +1
          And who is next to Zhukov, the new president? wassat Apparently - this is coming! lol
          Compared to your current chocolate rabbit and pig, Serdyukov looks like a titan of thought and mind with quick wit ...... tongue
      7. 34 region
        34 region 4 February 2016 23: 53
        +2
        19.55. The difference is felt. And on a photo and on business. I am glad that at least in the army there were real men who rely only on themselves. They don’t call for help from partners, they don’t complain about the crisis, they don’t stuff safes, but they really create something. Even in the army. It’s good that they admit mistakes, unlike others, who only have success but sit in shit. Let now gain experience in the Syrian campaign for the development of his army. Such people just want to lead the country.
      8. SNEK VIPER
        SNEK VIPER 5 February 2016 01: 30
        +1
        Georgy Konstantinovich is Stalin's Marshal, and Serdyuk is a thief is the thieving cattle of the furry four-legged ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 5 February 2016 11: 47
          -1
          Quote: SNEK VIPER
          Georgy Konstantinovich is Stalin's Marshal, and Serdyuk is a thief is the thieving cattle of the furry four-legged ...

          Comrade Zhukov, when he was the commander-in-chief of the group of Soviet occupation forces in Germany, committed acts that dishonored the high rank of a member of the CPSU (b) and the honor of the commander of the Soviet Army. Being provided by the state with everything necessary, comrade Zhukov abused his official position, embarked on the path of looting, taking up the appropriation and removal from Germany for personal needs of a large number of different values. To this end, Comrade Zhukov, giving vent to an unbridled desire for money-grubbing, used his subordinates, who, pleasing him, committed obvious crimes ... Being summoned to the commission to give explanations, Comrade Zhukov behaved inappropriately for a party member and commander of the Soviet Army Thus, in the explanations he was insincere and tried in every possible way to hide and cover up the facts of his anti-Party behavior. The above actions and Zhukov’s behavior on the commission characterize him as a person who has fallen politically and morally
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 5 February 2016 15: 07
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Georgy Konstantinovich is Stalin's Marshal, and Serdyuk is a thief is a thieving cattle

            "... degraded in political and moral ...", you say? laughing
            Well, since he is so smart (he thinks that the post-war history of GK Zhukov is not known to anyone), then please compare how much Marshal Zhukov got "on the way of looting" and how many ... Perdukov women.
            The boar himself did not carry "boxes from copiers" with dollars, but he didn’t lose money either. Skillful plump brute.
      9. uragan114
        uragan114 6 February 2016 10: 19
        0
        Not only feel, but also see !!
    3. Finches
      Finches 4 February 2016 20: 29
      14
      I can't really write anything - but also ...., there was a complete well ....! And one tank army in the Western direction is extremely not enough! We need 5 (best of all - shock) tank armies! Then NATO will calm down a little .... in its fantasies about a "fair" war without the use of nuclear weapons!

      PS My opinion!
      1. CHILD
        CHILD 4 February 2016 20: 39
        +1
        ... but in the complex it’s more interesting)))) .... and there isn’t much need for drums))) ... we have an Emergencies Ministry ... they will help)))
        1. CHILD
          CHILD 5 February 2016 08: 49
          0
          ... well, they still play chess fellow (.. hopefully) ... war is a way of deceit am ))) Well, you’re not trying to win the game with your own horses ... and not defend yourself with pawns alone ... complex game bully ... and those are more multifaceted things. soldier .... and ours is still very good chess players ... and the GDP is respected !!! hi drinks
      2. captain
        captain 4 February 2016 20: 48
        -23 qualifying.
        And will we keep these 5 armies at whose expense? The screams of our generals about ami and divisions are not worth anything. They are interested in salaries and material wealth. What difference does it make to name a merger from 2 divisions? The army is salaries and military ranks - money. That’s the whole ideology of our generals.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 4 February 2016 21: 04
          13
          Quote: captain
          And to keep these 5 armies at whose expense will we? The screams of our generals about ami and divisions are not worth anything. They are interested in salaries and material wealth. What is the difference, what to call the union of 2 divisions? The army is salaries and military ranks - money. That’s the whole ideology of our generals.

          ... and if someone reads? ... can you answer for the words? ... or how Tolmach ... the main thing is to blather? ... highlighted the main thing in bold ... Shame!.
        2. Trinity
          Trinity 4 February 2016 23: 53
          +3
          Where do these defeatists and Motherland haters "captains and the like" come from ??? After all, they were born, raised, learned "and perhaps free of charge at the expense of the state, which means the Motherland," they found a profession in Russia and they hate it. If you feel bad in Russia, you may be allowed to clean up the chamber pots there, so you will be so happy. And under "s.r.ak.u" you will still roar in your Motherland for years and will ask you to return. There were enough precedents.
          1. 1774
            1774 5 February 2016 01: 10
            +6
            I totally agree with you. I heard many times why spend money on the army, on an operation in Syria, etc., etc., it would be better for social programs, for health care, for education, for retirement. Maybe you remember Libya who are interested in finding it on the Internet what kind of social network was there, they just built communism in the square, and where is Libya now. The same Iraq, now they remember it turns out how good they were under Saddam, though they say there wasn’t such freedom. But now there is, you can die as you like, you want decapitated, no suicide bomber will blow up in the market. Democracy. The West will not allow Russia to live well, and even not spend money on defense. If we hadn’t had nuclear weapons for a long time, they would be occupied by civilized Western armies and nobody would have blundered a word or there are doubts (well, there is international law, the UN). It is better to tell the people of Korea, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan the list to continue.
          2. Suhow
            Suhow 7 February 2016 17: 16
            +1
            You immediately write a person into a traitor, and maybe he is worried about his homeland just like you. If I live in Ukraine but against the current government and its course, then I'm a traitor ??? and I need to go, for example, to the Russian Federation ??? but I am very upset that the republic that produced heavy planes and rockets (KB South) is turned into a banana, they rewrite history and make animals out of people. And I’m not keeping silent about it ...
        3. 34 region
          34 region 5 February 2016 00: 26
          +1
          20.48. Of course a killer argument. But probably they will ask for salaries according to the results. Type of standards. In what time does a part rise and advance to a designated point? How to deliver ammunition and provisions? How to make repairs in the field? If you ask for exhaust, you don’t want any salary for hemorrhoids.
        4. Captain45
          Captain45 5 February 2016 01: 19
          0
          Quote: captain
          And will we keep these 5 armies at whose expense?

          Yes, at your expense! And if you do not agree, go to the states. There at the expense of the state ... from the pocket of the taxpayer lol
        5. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 5 February 2016 04: 00
          0
          On February 1, our military adviser died in Syria (it is possible that the general). Following your logic, it should not be there. But he went, and fulfilled his duty, to the end! I am ashamed of you ... No.
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 4 February 2016 20: 48
        10
        Quote: Finches
        Need 5 (best of all - shock) tank armies

        No need to go to extremes. We simply won’t physically pull such an armada.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 4 February 2016 21: 06
          14
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: Finches
          Need 5 (best of all - shock) tank armies

          No need to go to extremes. We simply won’t physically pull such an armada.

          ... she is not needed .. hi ... in the GBV two armored tanks were enough for Western Europe to squeal about the Soviet threat .. laughing
          1. Finches
            Finches 4 February 2016 21: 10
            +4
            The PGW had strong flanking and central groupings - in Eastern Europe, in Ukraine and Moldova!
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 4 February 2016 21: 21
              +5
              Quote: Finches
              The PGW had strong flanking and central groupings - in Eastern Europe, in Ukraine and Moldova!

              ... how many times have Moscow been restored after another fire or invasion? .. ah, now she’s still Moscow .. hi
              1. 34 region
                34 region 5 February 2016 00: 33
                +3
                21.21. Well, how much can Moskva be restored? Maybe it's time to raise the country? Is the Arctic Circle and the Far East not Russia? There is nothing to raise?
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 4 February 2016 21: 57
            +2
            Quote: Inok10
            there were enough two tank

            Two armies plus tanks that are part of other armed forces - I think this is quite real.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 4 February 2016 22: 12
              +3
              Quote: Dart2027
              Two armies plus tanks that are part of other armed forces - I think this is quite real.

              ... it was ... the experience of the 2nd world ... operational connection ... and flexible tactically .. hi
          3. 34 region
            34 region 5 February 2016 00: 29
            0
            21.06/XNUMX. What time! Today in Europe there is not a single Russian tank. And why does Europe screech?
        2. Finches
          Finches 4 February 2016 21: 09
          +6
          We are "golden parachutes" and "not just a lot of money, but a lot" - how do we pull ...?
        3. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 4 February 2016 22: 06
          14
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: Finches
          Need 5 (best of all - shock) tank armies

          No need to go to extremes. We simply won’t physically pull such an armada.

          New military units, armies, are created on the basis of existing military units. Have you heard somewhere about the additional draft of citizens for military service? Not.
          Conclusion: pulled and then pull.
          In peacetime in the USSR, except for the ZGV, there were no armies and there was no need for this. And in Eastern Europe this was a necessity. The unified command of the armies made it possible to almost instantly bring troops into full combat readiness and launch an instant attack on the enemy according to already prepared attack plans.
          And the assembly of units in the army from military districts, which do not even have a headquarters and developed combat plans, is a DISASTER for the army because of the loss of time for organizing armies, training them for interaction, armament, and creating material and technical supplies and services, because troops are simply not ready to fight.
          The army is an operational-strategic formation ready for battle. And the district is just a place of deployment of divisions, brigades and other units, also combat-ready, but not united by a single goal and command. These are simply disparate units, despite the fact that there is even a district headquarters.
          I hope you remember that it was not the districts that fought, but the armies and fronts.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 4 February 2016 22: 37
            +1
            Quote: Алексей_К
            Conclusion: pulled and then pull.

            I doubt that we now have enough strength for five full-blooded TA. Actually, the reconstructed 1st is not yet such "in hardware", but tanks are needed not only there, for example, recently there was an article where it was said that tank formations would be deployed in airborne units.
            Quote: Алексей_К
            In peacetime in the USSR, except for the ZGV, there were no armies and there was no need for this

            I'm not talking about command, but about the actual composition. As you yourself noticed new military units, armies, are created on the basis of existing military unitsthat is, in order to form these armies if necessary, it is necessary that the formations that enter them already exist.
          2. Marconi41
            Marconi41 5 February 2016 00: 46
            0
            Quote: Алексей_К
            Have you heard somewhere about the additional draft of citizens for military service?

            This is true, but there is one small caveat. The size of our army is within one million people. Now look at their concentration throughout the country. You can certainly talk about threatening areas, BUT. Isn't the US closer to the Far East? Or do we have a peace agreement with Japan? Or maybe our southern borders are completely safe. And therefore, the buildup of the army is likely to be.
      4. Pirogov
        Pirogov 4 February 2016 21: 06
        +2
        We need 5 (best of all - shock) tank armies !! Then NATO will calm down a bit .................................. ...................................
        ............................................. Yes, you can ten and the point? scare NATO? and who will feed them the liberals? In my opinion On the west, one detailed is enough, another question should be at least two more cropped! You do not forget that there is still the south and the far east.
        1. Finches
          Finches 4 February 2016 21: 22
          0
          Are you a military man? Do you have a military education and experience?
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 4 February 2016 21: 53
            0
            Are you a military man? Do you have a military education and experience? ...................................... .....................................
            ............................ Dear specifically what I am wrong?
            1. yehat
              yehat 4 February 2016 22: 16
              +2
              possibly in the size of the last letter of the alphabet wink
              1. Pirogov
                Pirogov 4 February 2016 22: 21
                0
                possibly in the size of the last letter of the alphabet wink .......................................... ..................................
                .......................... Maybe you are right !
        2. emercom1979
          emercom1979 4 February 2016 21: 47
          +2
          If you do not want to feed your army, then you will feed the army of the invader. Something like this.
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 4 February 2016 21: 58
            +1
            If you do not want to feed your army, then you will feed the army of the invader. Something like this............................................... ..............................
            ............................ Here's a more detailed account of this to the liberals and the hedgehog with them. ,,,,,, SO SO, ,, ,,, !!!
        3. Olegi1
          Olegi1 5 February 2016 00: 37
          +1
          another question should be at least two more cropped! Do not forget that there is still south and far east


          I would like to hear the opinion of professionals about the cropped armies (and units in general). IMHO, these armies (units), in the case of their full deployment, will be absolutely unworkable.
      5. Dam
        Dam 4 February 2016 23: 41
        +2
        And better than 10 and three death stars! Mixed up nothing? Stupidly count the personnel and equipment, and then try to feed. Do not confuse the army of peace and war. But NATO will not calm down, there the guys saw the loot, they can’t do without an enemy.
      6. 34 region
        34 region 5 February 2016 00: 14
        +1
        20.29. If we talk about the most shocking armies without the use of nuclear weapons, then this is the media. This is the most striking weapon! Experienced in the 90s. This is evidenced by the experience of radical Islam and the outskirts.
      7. pesny2006
        pesny2006 5 February 2016 11: 04
        0
        5 armies we will not pull
    4. ksv1973
      ksv1973 4 February 2016 20: 43
      0
      Quote: Putin
      And in the end, who will protect the German women from the refugees?

      We need to protect our women - from all kinds of gopniks, psychopathic husbands and other evil spirits. And the German peasants (if there were still those) let them clean up their house.
    5. 222222
      222222 4 February 2016 22: 01
      -1
      Putin EN Today, 19:45
      Maybe not, but our armored train is on a side track .. "
      .. the tank army is a nightmare for NATO .. ​​there is nothing to oppose it .. jumped .. into the game of war ..
    6. VNP1958PVN
      VNP1958PVN 5 February 2016 04: 23
      +1
      but our armored train stands on a siding
      You are not well informed. Your armored train was carefully sawn and handed over to the Chinese for scrap with neat squares, so that it only remained to be welded. So, it can and is worth it, but the ways are not ours!
    7. Skif83
      Skif83 5 February 2016 08: 32
      +1
      Our armored train may be on a spare ... but not far from the borders with Europe?
      The USSR held a tank fist (and not only!) In the center of Europe, and then a tank fist in the center of Russia?
      Has time to reach the border? Or are we getting ready to beat the enemy on our territory again? Or is it again the pocket army of the Kremlin?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 5 February 2016 09: 34
        0
        Quote: Skif83
        Has time to reach the border?

        Over the past few years, the exercises have been actively practicing the rapid transfer of soldiers and equipment over a huge distance, and Moscow is a well-developed railway and aviation infrastructure.
    8. Minstrel
      Minstrel 5 February 2016 09: 01
      +1
      Quote: Putin
      And in the end, who will protect the German women from the refugees?

      Enough to protect them, these German women. And then, 50 years after the next entry of Russian troops into Berlin, fairy tales about the 100500 raped Germans will appear again. As for me, they would be so happy that someone would even want to rape them, for they are very scary. IMHO. wink
    9. stavr550
      stavr550 6 February 2016 17: 10
      0
      ONCE PROTECTED THEM all UNTIL PORTS CAN NOT BE WASHED
  2. JonnyT
    JonnyT 4 February 2016 19: 45
    12
    why why - in order to slam this fist on the spoiled ugly face of NATO in Europe, when they climb to us
    1. DDR
      DDR 4 February 2016 20: 00
      +3
      Quote: JonnyT
      why why - in order to slam this fist on NATO's spoiled erysipelas in Europe when they climb to us

      That's why she and the FIRST to beat first! The first was in the Western Group of Forces, now the first in the Western Military District good
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 February 2016 20: 31
        +2
        There is nowhere to retreat 1 GVTA. Behind her Moscow. The army was returned, I hope she will return her name ... Red Banner.
      2. RPK-74
        RPK-74 4 February 2016 20: 50
        +6
        That’s why I don’t like the word ZGV. Reminds of the collapse of the Union and the Army! GSVG - it's better! Especially since it was called several decades !!! He served in the 2nd Tank Army! good soldier
    2. sgazeev
      sgazeev 4 February 2016 20: 49
      0
      Quote: JonnyT
      why why - in order to slam this fist on the spoiled ugly face of NATO in Europe, when they climb to us

      The revival of the 20th All-Arms Army, if you still tell the NATO team that this is the former 4th Panzer Army, their jaw will drop open. So two tank armies will not hurt.
    3. captain
      captain 4 February 2016 21: 09
      -3
      Regarding the formation of this army and the Kantemirov and Taman divisions. These divisions are located near Moscow, why are they there? After all, to the enemy at least 500 km. Maybe for the children of our commanders? What would not rot in Transbaikalia? At one time, the Berlin Brigade (withdrawn from Germany) was in Kursk, why was it dispersed? In Belgorod, there’s nothing at all. What is in Smolensk? Why make a fool out of the country? Circus for the people and money for the generals.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 5 February 2016 01: 43
        0
        Quote: captain
        At one time, the Berlin Brigade (withdrawn from Germany) was in Kursk,

        Well, as far as I know, a motorized rifle division was transferred from the GSVG to Totsk in the early 90s (how many "gas workers" we seized from drunken officers at that time), the Germans gave money for infrastructure (they themselves did not build, the sensors were firing, they were afraid ), some of the houses in Buzuluk were built (the rest was apparently scrapped, there was a mess), and then the division was disbanded. And now, as far as I know, the division is already based in Totsk again + peacekeepers + flight regiment (attack aircraft, fighters, helicopters). I saw them myself, being on vacation in the summer, every day in the morning they fly earlier.
    4. SokolfromRussia
      SokolfromRussia 5 February 2016 21: 52
      0
      NATO countries are reducing their armies from year to year. Some, like Denmark, have practically none. And all of you are telling Soviet slogans about "NATO" will come to us ...
  3. Navy7981
    Navy7981 4 February 2016 19: 46
    +6
    "Why does the Russian army need a mechanized fist?"
    in order to be in a brazen face ...
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 4 February 2016 20: 29
      +4
      Let it be, it will come in handy on the farm ... so that both Tamanskaya and Kantemirovskaya were already understaffed and would cease to be "courtiers" ... at the same time, they spoil the blood of the limitrophes ...
    2. User
      User 4 February 2016 20: 32
      +2
      There is a good saying to this question:
      Good must be with fists.

      angry
  4. svp67
    svp67 4 February 2016 19: 47
    +2
    A tank army, especially with SUCH traditions, is a good argument in many "disputes" ...
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 4 February 2016 20: 12
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      A tank army, especially with SUCH traditions, is a good argument in many "disputes" ...

      It’s good that they came to their senses in time! Yes, and returning to the old device will add stability. And why was the 1st Tank Army recreated, so let the adversary have a headache about it!
    2. synodontis
      synodontis 5 February 2016 20: 50
      0
      How not to recall the native Mongolian regiment. 1 Guards Tank Army, 11th Division, 44th Mongolian Regiment in the military unit 34998 8 orders on the banner of the regiment. More than 20 heroes of the Soviet Union served in the regiment. After the war he stood in Königsbruck near Dresden.
  5. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 4 February 2016 19: 48
    0
    Here it is, as the first, the first, and should receive "armata", "boomerangs", and other new items of the military-industrial complex-re-arm, so immediately armies!
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 4 February 2016 20: 49
      +1
      The 1st Guards Tank Army being created and the 20th All-Arms Army actually being re-formed will be the first to receive the new generation of armored vehicles - Armata tanks and Kurganets infantry fighting vehicles. This was announced on July 29 by TASS a senior source in the Russian General Staff. “During 2016-2017, the rearmament of the 1st Guards Tank Army and the 20th Guards Combined Arms Army will begin with the latest models of armored vehicles. In particular, the tanks in service will be replaced by Armata tanks. These armies will be the first to receive the Kurganets BMP, ”the agency’s interlocutor said. TASS
      Source: http://nevskii-bastion.ru/russian-land-forces-2014/ MTC "NEVSKY BASTION" AVKarpenko
  6. AlexTires
    AlexTires 4 February 2016 19: 48
    +4
    Now screams will begin: "The armored" fist "of Russia is aimed at Europe." What did you think, gentlemen, Europeans? " Have you forgotten the Russian proverb: "Don't wake up smartly while it's quiet"?
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 4 February 2016 19: 51
      +1
      Quote: AlexTires
      Now screams will begin: "The armored" fist "of Russia is aimed at Europe." What did you think, gentlemen, Europeans? " Have you forgotten the Russian proverb: "Don't wake up smartly while it's quiet"?

      Well, yes, remember the old manuals and will yell about the red tracks.
    2. 222222
      222222 4 February 2016 20: 25
      +3
      "" OPERATIVE MANEUVERABLE GROUP (MOBILE GROUP) (OMG, PG) - a combined-arms formation (formation) of a typical organization (tank army, tank division) or having a special organization (army corps), designed for highly maneuverable actions in the rear and on the enemy's flanks in isolation from their main forces. OMG (PG) operate with the support of other combined arms formations (formations), the Air Force, and other types of the Armed Forces and in cooperation with airborne assault forces.

      GHGs were widely used in the conditions of the Second World War. As a rule, they consisted of mobile rifle and tank formations reinforced by air assault, artillery and other units of special forces. They were usually put into action in the conditions of a broken front, but sometimes they could also be used to break through the defense.

      In the 80s in the USSR OMG was entrusted with the task of introducing into a breakthrough, going to the rear of an enemy grouping, and forming a new front to combat it.

      ""
    3. frekenbok
      frekenbok 4 February 2016 20: 55
      0
      Esche would be better if the deputy minister of defense of some country (the most important sad ) In the window, he screamed with a cry about Russian tanks. so for complete historical certainty
  7. KBR109
    KBR109 4 February 2016 19: 50
    +4
    Recall the minister's stool with an unkind quiet word. am negative But he did his dirty deed not without a command from above ...
    1. beck
      beck 4 February 2016 20: 02
      -1
      some people have the opinion that he was specially put on the post of the Ministry of Defense in order to remove unnecessary (corrupt) people from the army. but with Vasilyeva it didn’t work out very nicely !!!
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 4 February 2016 20: 11
        0
        What are you saying ? And the translation to the brigade here is which side? And the destruction of the GRU Special Forces brigades?
        1. jPilot
          jPilot 4 February 2016 20: 41
          +2
          Well, the brigades once existed in Russia, but the AIR BASES had a sideways attitude towards the Russian army, well, at least this wings didn’t manage to form wings.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 4 February 2016 20: 53
          0
          Quote: KBR109
          And the translation to the brigade here is which side?

          Quote from the article:

          "The Taman and Kantemirov divisions were never fully equipped units. As a rule, these divisions were contained in a two-regimental squad. Their number did not reach 12-12,5 thousand, which corresponds to a fully-equipped division. And if the compound is equipped with 70%, this means in practice, it is limited in combat readiness. For military parades, the capabilities of the Taman and Kantemirov divisions are quite enough, but for fighting, probably, not, ”Shevtsov stressed.
          Also, according to the general, “the decision on the formation of the army is one thing, and quite another when the newly created association becomes a truly manageable and combat-ready military body.” "Even the deployment and bringing to combat readiness of one division took a very long time. Sometimes it was three years, sometimes even more," Shevtsov assured.


          In fact, the army was destroyed in the 90s, and the divisions were such only on paper.
          1. KBR109
            KBR109 4 February 2016 20: 59
            0
            And the notorious T and K is that all of our aircraft were?
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 4 February 2016 22: 01
              0
              Of course no. The problem is that this applied to virtually the entire army.
  8. mihasik
    mihasik 4 February 2016 19: 55
    10
    Sitnov: "we don't need to copy the American experience"

    But what about "free" experiments? Medvedev moved arrows here and there across the country, Taburetkin transferred the Army with Amri to brigades ... for billions. I am generally silent about Chubais. wassat Are these ways to "cut" budget "babos"? And most importantly: ANYONE, NOTHING WAS FOR IT !!! I want that too! crying laughing
    1. Luga
      Luga 4 February 2016 20: 21
      +5
      Quote: mihasik
      I want it too!


      Not worth it. It is indecent for a decent person to have so much money. And karma is not rubber. Suddenly the Indians are right ... Children and grandchildren of the surname, again, are shy: "No, that you, this is not our grandfather ... Of course not!" Don't go outside - God forbid they find out ... Do you need this? smile
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 4 February 2016 21: 02
        +2
        Quote: Luga
        Not worth it. It’s indecent for a decent person to have so much money.

        I will share! I do not need much laughing
    2. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 4 February 2016 20: 37
      +2
      Quote: mihasik
      ANYONE THERE WAS NOTHING FOR THIS !!! I want it too!


      You shouldn’t be so! I understand that this is a joke, but envy is not the best of human qualities anyway.
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 4 February 2016 21: 07
        +1
        Quote: evge-malyshev
        Quote: mihasik
        ANYONE THERE WAS NOTHING FOR THIS !!! I want it too!


        You shouldn’t be so! I understand that this is a joke, but envy is not the best of human qualities anyway.

        Zadolbalo covering up the power of "their" mediocrity, thieves and just pests.
    3. jPilot
      jPilot 4 February 2016 20: 50
      +3
      Not the most outstanding action DAMA, it is the POLICE OFFICERS lol how much money was interestingly mastered to repaint these "gates"
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 4 February 2016 21: 14
        +1
        Quote: jPilot
        Not the most outstanding action DAMA, it is the POLICE OFFICERS lol how much money was interestingly mastered to repaint these "gates"

        Most impressed by the "results" of over-statistics! It turned out well! laughing laughing laughing
        Now these cops don't want to work at all (once I tried to submit an application. I dragged the "petition" to the regional department for a week) laughing Thank you, friends in the prosecutor’s office helped lol
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 5 February 2016 02: 00
        0
        Quote: jPilot
        how much money was interestingly mastered to repaint these "gates"

        Well, as far as I remember from open sources, more than 400 million rubles were spent only on replacing signs, changing seals and replacing forms, and also replacing the form + changes in legislation (change in all legislative acts of the Criminal Code, the Criminal Procedure Code and other words "police" to "police"). And you say they steal, but it's just stupid, mediocre "they are scorching loot" for the sake of it is not clear why request Pridura fools who were stupefied in the 10's from oil-freebies.
  9. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 4 February 2016 19: 58
    +2
    Guards Tank Army - we hope for reliable protection from the adversary.
  10. From Samara
    From Samara 4 February 2016 20: 02
    0
    With such force you can reach Warsaw in a week ...
  11. From Samara
    From Samara 4 February 2016 20: 05
    +1
    It is good that the Ground Forces have begun to build muscle! Now the Ground Forces would form their classic Airborne Forces ...
  12. Monos
    Monos 4 February 2016 20: 14
    21
    I served in Kantemirovskaya.

    Hello Europe! You do not get bored?
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 4 February 2016 20: 33
      +1
      Quote: Monos
      I served in Kantemirovskaya.

      You probably remember Golubenki, "Blue Eye". Romance...! I had to crawl there as part of the ORB.
      1. Monos
        Monos 4 February 2016 20: 41
        +4
        No, I served in Czechoslovakia in 282 ZRP. Structurally, they entered the state of Kantemirovki, although they did not give us badges of guards. crying soldier wassat
    2. _Alexei_
      _Alexei_ 4 February 2016 20: 38
      +1
      and I'm in Taman
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 4 February 2016 20: 51
        +1
        Quote: _Alexey_
        and I'm in Taman

        2 months had to "fool around" in the 27th Guards Brigade, a former SME of the Taman Guards Directorate. Teply Stan. In a sense, they are colleagues.
  13. viktor561
    viktor561 4 February 2016 20: 16
    0
    The armor is strong and our tanks are fast - well done!
  14. deman73
    deman73 4 February 2016 20: 31
    0
    silly question - so that our tanks reach Berlin again and stand next to the T-34 in the Treptow park
  15. veksha50
    veksha50 4 February 2016 20: 32
    0
    "29 February at the board of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Major General Alexander Chayko was handed standard of the commander of the 1st Guards Tank Army "...


    ??

    Is that back to the future ???
  16. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 4 February 2016 20: 43
    0
    First tank: why does the Russian army need a mechanized fist?

    Just in case! Because more and more lately has appeared in the west ROG, so sputtering with saliva on Russia, that they simply ask for a fist!
  17. staryivoin
    staryivoin 4 February 2016 20: 47
    -1
    And who has not yet realized that peaceful confidence-building measures between RUSSIA and Nato have disappeared? NATO may recall the continuous mining of nuclear weapons (nuclear mines). Well, if you have the brains, let the miner continue ... Fools are lucky in Europe. THEY are held in high esteem. Very sorry for Sweden. The country is preparing for the RUSSIAN NUCLEAR PUNCH !!! Good pale STOLTENBERG abandoned the bait for the Swedish Parliament. Well, okay, in RUSSIA no one wants to see a cloud of radionuclides over SWEDEN. But if the Swedes want to specifically quarrel with RUSSIA, well then we are not to blame for this !!!
  18. Romit
    Romit 4 February 2016 20: 48
    +1
    Quote: veksha50
    "29 February at the board of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Major General Alexander Chayko was handed standard of the commander of the 1st Guards Tank Army "...


    ??

    Is that back to the future ???

    This is our present.
  19. tchoni
    tchoni 4 February 2016 20: 49
    +3
    mdya .... continuous potreotic delight multiplied by the highest presence ...
    But, in fact, the army has not yet been created, equipped with junk ...
    hence the conclusion: this subdivision is largely a draft and a school desk. and its task is not so much to hit insolent faces, but to revive the staff headquarters of managing such large formations. Headquarters culture, so to speak.
    As for the divisions and brigades, I will say this: to each his own. It is the division that is more suitable for the combined arms division. But to different special forces and, possibly, paratroopers with vvshnikami, it seems to me that the brigade will be more suitable, because it allows you to more flexibly adapt the connection to the tasks being solved ...
    1. _Alexei_
      _Alexei_ 4 February 2016 21: 00
      0
      Well, I don’t know about the junk when they transferred the equipment to Chechnya and left there arrived a year later in the Moscow Region and all the equipment from the needle was surprised
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 5 February 2016 08: 45
        +1
        departments, the armament of the association consists of the main battle tanks T-72B3, T-80, infantry fighting vehicles BMP-2,
        very modern technology :-) a miracle of technical thought. About B3 on this site they said so much good ... BMP-2 is not the newest and not the most advanced infantry fighting vehicle in the RF Armed Forces. (although quite a reliable workhorse). T80 - here somehow it is generally incomprehensible. Probably specially included in the staff, so that repairmen and suppliers would increase their level of professional skills ...
        If the army is designed for active operations on one of the most important TVDs, why not equip it with all sorts of different T-90s, BMP-3s, BTR-82s? and other innovations of the defense industry, about which the people periodically enthusiastically write ...
    2. Romit
      Romit 4 February 2016 21: 21
      0
      Take a look at the story of 1 Guards. tan.armiyu. Especially after the war
    3. yehat
      yehat 4 February 2016 22: 19
      0
      perhaps the creation of this army is also associated with the creation of a cargo air fleet request
  20. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 February 2016 20: 55
    +2
    A tank army is strong. And how is NATO going to stop it? There are no more nuclear land mines on the border, the Gayropei armies are a bunch of clowns, and the mattress is still gathering thoughts - there’s no need to go anywhere. IMHO, they are working on precisely these scenarios, and they are very sad ...
    That's when the whole army of the brigades, it is in order to drive the Papuans. And when divisions and armies are a completely different scenario.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 4 February 2016 21: 07
      +2
      2 divisions and brigade - this used to be called the corps, and not the army.
      1. SSeT
        SSeT 6 February 2016 19: 51
        0
        WOW! And I mean the same thing. Since when did 2 divisions (EVEN not a corps! There are three of them in the state) become the army of the nazvyzza ?? The next stool,
        the saw was turned on again - for this business, you can cut the dough by stupidly including the term "inhrastrukhtura" Well, add "REVOLUTION"
  21. Hauptam
    Hauptam 4 February 2016 20: 58
    +1
    Well, the army is still a long way off, only the name (possibly traditions) also has 2 divisions and other units — no more than a corps. Armament is not the newest (to put it mildly). And so if we get to Lisbon for sure, we will not repeat the mistakes anymore!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 February 2016 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: Hauptam
      Well, the army is still a long way off, only the name (possibly traditions) also has 2 divisions and other units — no more than a corps.

      EMNIP, in 1991, as part of the 1st Guards, there were only 3 divisions.

      In general, one should not look at divisions, but at units and formations of army submission. For the main advantage of the army is precisely in them.
  22. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 February 2016 21: 08
    +5
    That's who they fear the most! And if you put them in tanks and tanks ...! They really angered us On the English Channel ...! fellow
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 4 February 2016 21: 19
      +3
      It's time to change the map of Ukraine, and then different figures from the US and the EU too diverged lol
  23. Romit
    Romit 4 February 2016 21: 14
    0
    What do you want ? They handed the Banner and the whole army was created.
  24. BOB044
    BOB044 4 February 2016 21: 16
    0
    The first tank: why the army of Russia mechanized fist
    If necessary, we will put NATO in one place. That their head will not be able to turn. hi
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 4 February 2016 21: 29
      +1
      Quote: BOB044
      If necessary, we will put NATO in one place

      And let's do it!
  25. vovan089
    vovan089 4 February 2016 21: 18
    +2
    Thank God it finally came. The army is good, but where can I get a full-fledged combat-ready committee of the combat arms and special forces with the established peacetime force limit? In addition, where is the VVST, military camps that are plundered by the tabretkin and his fucking battalion ??? The time has come
    I correct the criminal decisions of Serdyukov and Makarov. For the present, and not paper manning, it is necessary to establish the staff strength at the level
  26. tolancop
    tolancop 4 February 2016 21: 23
    +2
    A tank army is probably not bad. And it looks solid and sounds menacing. Only one digit appears in my memory - 18, or rather 1:18 ...
    This ratio, adopted at the talks on arms reduction in Europe, seems to be back in Brezhnev’s times. We had more tanks, the adversaries - helicopters. And how to compare forces? And so: 1 (ONE!) Helicopter = 18 (Eighteen) tanks.
    Maybe with a brute force coefficient, but certainly not too large.
    But I came across this ratio in the Soviet press and I remembered it precisely because there is too much difference in assessing the combat effectiveness of helicopters and tanks.
    1. bodzu
      bodzu 5 February 2016 14: 45
      0
      Since then, a lot of water has flowed. In terms of combat effectiveness, modern tanks are a formidable force, especially when used correctly and interacted with other branches of the armed forces, especially with the use of electronic warfare equipment and competent camouflage. So it’s hardly 1:18.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        SokolfromRussia 5 February 2016 22: 16
        0
        Donbass showed that the time to go to the junk.
  27. serg2108
    serg2108 4 February 2016 21: 24
    +1
    why the fig again in a circle? first 1 tank then 2 further that 8 -10 pieces to form in order to deter NATO or China, the formation of the Strategic Missile Forces regiments is enough to deter any hot guys ...
    and here one content of such groups will cost as a full-fledged regiment of the Strategic Missile Forces, or even more ... like it’s the wrong way, comrades .. probably again they will introduce 2 years of military service in the army, apparently our generals are starting to get too am
  28. Yak28
    Yak28 4 February 2016 21: 25
    +1
    I remember how the mighty army of the USSR did not defend the union and communist ideals, but the soldiers took the oath of the USSR. As a result, the army betrayed the country and sided with the traitors led by Yeltsin. And Yeltsin, like letting the army fall apart and undermining the country's defense no stone was left. As a result, the army and the union did not preserve, and without a single shot they lost their fighting ability. And after this gloomy story it’s nice to hear that Russia needed a mechanized fist, and new planes, missiles, ships. You just don’t have to wait 22 June, if he lags, it is necessary to surprise everyone and work ahead of schedule.
    1. serg2108
      serg2108 4 February 2016 21: 31
      -1
      I completely agree correctly now you need to have a team of good professional guys like a pennant in service who can act ahead of the curve and cut the throats of Russian enemies while they sleep, quietly efficiently and without media coverage! fellow
  29. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 4 February 2016 21: 28
    +3
    By the way, for me, the decision is correct. You just need to look at the map to understand how NATO has become closer to Moscow. And the appearance of country 404 on the other flank, to the south, makes this problem even more significant. Only people who are really big on their heads or traitors (including the liberal ones) can scream that this is a mistake, etc. After all, its various rotational troops and other created "rapid reaction forces" are so necessary, democratically, but we have it all, this is aggression. negative lol
    Nothing, the creation of a tank army should cool hotheads. After all, we are definitely not going to attack anyone, we have enough of our resources. And what is being invented behind the Bug is a personal matter of their wretched laughing
    You just don’t need to touch us. Guys let's be friends what soldier No need to demonize us ... It will be more expensive for ourselves lol
  30. vovan089
    vovan089 4 February 2016 21: 29
    0
    Keep in peacetime at the level of 1,3-1,5 million people.
  31. lopvlad
    lopvlad 4 February 2016 21: 34
    +2
    Quote: captain
    And will we keep these 5 armies at whose expense?


    Yes, due to the liberals and the dough that goes to Rusnano, the Open Government and other unnecessary organizations.
  32. doework
    doework 4 February 2016 21: 36
    0
    Guys, maybe I'm wrong? ... but, in my opinion, things are heading for war ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 February 2016 21: 45
      0
      It doesn’t roll to anything - the truth is, Turkey may wake up.
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 4 February 2016 21: 50
      +3
      Quote: doework
      Guys, maybe I'm wrong? ... but, in my opinion, things are heading for war ..

      Already goes with might and main ....! They are fighting for us so that we can live a little more quietly and have time to prepare ... hi
      1. Bayun
        Bayun 4 February 2016 22: 32
        +1
        As a "military strategist" I would not be very happy about Crimea. "Strategic game": what to oppose a tank attack from the Chernigov NATO bridgehead to Bryansk-Smolensk? Here, just that same tank army from near Moscow. Do not figure out the same nuclear weapons on their land ...
        1. serg2108
          serg2108 5 February 2016 13: 03
          0
          why on earth, one mention of the fact that as soon as at least one soldier or NATO combat unit crosses the border of the Russian Federation, then a nuclear strike on all the capitals of the block and at the same time on the United States and Asian henchmen erase all the kov who try to invade our lands, fucked - this mention and, most importantly, the determination of the top leadership, is quite enough for the people, but to deter ground forces, you can rivet universal systems with missiles and a couple of GRU special forces brigades and mixed regiments of the Russian military ... and most importantly, the economy and the creation of an industrial, technical and scientific base inside countries ... without a rear, not one army can move anywhere, but the threat of destroying the rear areas of NATO is a very deterrent! drinks
  33. Stoler
    Stoler 4 February 2016 21: 44
    +2
    It is gratifying to hear that. Only (for some) this does not mean that we have magically got hundreds of new tanks and crews for them. They just launder the BABLE again!
  34. VeterS
    VeterS 4 February 2016 21: 46
    +6
    Somehow even strange! How to name people who stupidly believe in the independence of decision-making by Serdyukov. Serdyukov and Serdyukovschina, this is just a tool. And let's say the army and the navy are objected solely to the fact that PRIERLO and there was a real chance to lose the loot.
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 4 February 2016 21: 54
      +2
      Of course it was aggravated, they brought the situation over 25 years of capitalism, that the NATO forces had already rested on our border and began to encircle, so let them get into tanks who plundered and ruined the country, they would tear anyone up for their grandmas
      1. VeterS
        VeterS 4 February 2016 21: 59
        +3
        Unfortunately, your plan is unrealistic. Those who stupidly believe that ..., i.e. - people. Although there is an element of justice: you have to pay for everything. And for stupid faith - especially. However, this is not the first thing for the service people in Russia!
        1. Wind_zl
          Wind_zl 4 February 2016 22: 12
          +1
          Hatred is ineradicable.
  35. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 4 February 2016 21: 58
    +3
    Teks, the 1 Guards seem to have recreated, what's next? Air army?
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 4 February 2016 22: 08
      0
      Why not?
  36. Bayun
    Bayun 4 February 2016 22: 24
    +1
    It looks like this time we can START. Fears of the Baltic states and others - for a reason. They are exactly I know that they will be sacrificed ... The question of why we need this is ridiculous. And "WHY" Russia needed the 1st and 2nd World War? I would be glad to be wrong, but for Europe there really may not be next Christmas. Please do not take it for panic or "prophecy", but this option has a high probability.
  37. cap
    cap 4 February 2016 22: 48
    0
    "After the re-creation of the armies, according to Sitnov, it is also necessary to revive front-line and strategic sets of parts and formations. "All these organizational and staff measures should ultimately lead to a sharp increase in the technical readiness of weapons, the revival of the weapons recovery system," he stressed.
    "Also, according to the general, it is necessary to review the powers of the Commanders-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. "Their role in many issues and in many areas should be significantly increased. This especially concerns the revival of the personnel training system, issues of combat and operational training."

    I specially highlighted the key words in the text that say a lot if you read between the lines. And NATO will understand this of course. This is strategic planning of operations, for which goals and objectives will be predetermined. This is a transition from a defensive strategy to an offensive one. the package for the "H" time is revived in which the army commander is assigned a combat mission. Its implementation by the forces of the formation does not require coordination with the General Staff. No one has removed the secrecy from the combat manual. I am silent, think for yourself. What can a tank army create and not one with front-line aviation, tactical nuclear weapons and many other things, let the "partners" think, hopefully sleepless nights. Something like that. hi
  38. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 4 February 2016 22: 55
    +1
    Remember why Stalin "hooked" the Königsberg volost ... which the EBN-sheep cleaned specifically ..
    When you give out tanks, do not forget about our empty hangars ..; we also need ..!
    And it's time to re-open our empty military airfields.
    1. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 5 February 2016 00: 21
      +2
      "Pidagogues" in the headquarters have already begun to get.
      Of the remnants of the army and navy, they were blinded by the ranks of those walking.
      Who will fight, if, what? All those who gathered in Syria ... All those ... ???
  39. beer-youk
    beer-youk 4 February 2016 23: 00
    +3
    Quote: Dart2027
    No need to go to extremes. We simply won’t physically pull such an armada.


    And we don’t need it. Two staffed divisions, supplemented by communications, electronic warfare, air defense and the corresponding rear units (even to a minimum) - a very, very serious force. And if we add the assistance of aviation, capable of ensuring supremacy in the air, then the power is all-devastating. In a European theater, it’s an invincible monster! And at the moment - a piece of ice on boiling heads.
  40. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 4 February 2016 23: 53
    +1
    Pin-am big hello ..!
    We always liked to light with you ..!
  41. Radikal
    Radikal 5 February 2016 00: 06
    +3
    Quote: Finches
    The PGW had strong flanking and central groupings - in Eastern Europe, in Ukraine and Moldova!
    Clarification: when the GSVG turned into the Western Group of War, our other groups in Eastern Europe were gone. Until 1985, there were four groups of our troops in Eastern Europe: the GSVG (GDR), the Central Troops (Czechoslovakia), the Northern Fleet (Poland), the Southern Fleet (Hungary). soldier
  42. scorpiosys
    scorpiosys 5 February 2016 00: 17
    +2
    Fur fists should have been before, and - always !!!
    And, the country should get on the rails of a BLOCKED economy, a ban on all privatizations, and you give - REPRIVATIZATION !!! To spite "our" privatizers !!!
  43. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 5 February 2016 00: 55
    +1
    On the whole, our army has vast experience in building various military formations, but now the tasks are somewhat different. That’s why now we choose which formations our defense needs to protect the country. Now the NATO military has appeared around our borders and therefore our troops need to be a single fist.
  44. wolf1945
    wolf1945 5 February 2016 01: 51
    +2
    Quote: Inok10
    Quote: Talker
    Well, and once in 25 years you can rearm? From 1990 to 2015 (or at least from 2000 to 2015) I would really like to know the statistics on tanks, planes, helicopters, ships, missiles and warheads. So, for peace of mind.

    ... minus mine! ... further explain ... ah, draw an analogy from 1917 and 1991 ?! ... ah, yes ... It’s not convenient for you to build a logical chain and a lexical connection .. but so I will! ... in both cases, there was a change in the socio-economic system, in both cases the state lost significant territories, in both cases industrialization to ensure military power ... THE PEOPLE DO NOT REMEMBERING HISTORY, DOES NOT HAVE A FUTURE! ... I.V. Stalin, led the USSR following the results of the Second World War to the borders of the Russian Empire practically without forgetting Port Arthur and the Kuril Islands, we will not talk about Finland, from which everything was taken in 1939-40 .. and Poland, like the whole of Eastern Europe were under the control of the USSR .. under the Russian Empire, Poland did not exist at all from 1795 .. since there with the rearmament of the army from 1917 to .... well, 25 years ..? ... and maybe there was also the Civil intervention in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok? ... Comrades, Good People ... Read the story ... We are Russian people, under Dmitry Donskoy, Alexander Nevsky, Nicholas II, Stalin, Putin and further, we will never be friends of Europe ... but those who oppose era and social systems ... just ENEMIES ..! ... hi

    golden words only many do not know this and many have forgotten! soldier
  45. 72jora72
    72jora72 5 February 2016 09: 21
    +1
    After the re-establishment of armies, according to Sitnov, it is also necessary to revive front-line and strategic sets of units and formations. "All these organizational and staff measures should ultimately lead to a dramatic increase in the technical readiness of weapons, the revival of the weapons recovery system," he stressed.
    How pleasant it is to realize that 25 year experiments on the Army are being pumped and it is returning to normal.
  46. Meshik
    Meshik 5 February 2016 09: 47
    0
    Quote: Inok10
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Finches
    Need 5 (best of all - shock) tank armies

    No need to go to extremes. We simply won’t physically pull such an armada.

    ... she is not needed .. hi ... in the GBV two armored tanks were enough for Western Europe to squeal about the Soviet threat .. laughing

    Not certainly in that way. We can say three tank armies. 1st Guards, 2nd Guards and 3rd Combined Arms, which had in its composition - 10th, 12th, 47th, etc. But that's why it was called a combined arms, a riddle, or maybe not))
  47. PROXOR
    PROXOR 5 February 2016 10: 29
    0
    Well, of course, we are far from the Soviet scale. But Geyropa is not the same as it was 26 years ago.
  48. Crown
    Crown 5 February 2016 10: 29
    0
    Two Armies must be kept, in the West and East, and military bases in the Central Asian republics and in the Arctic.
  49. infantry76
    infantry76 5 February 2016 10: 48
    +2
    The liquidation in the 90s, after the collapse of the USSR, the Warsaw Treaty and with it the groups of troops in the countries of Eastern Europe, led to a significant reduction, and sometimes the abolition of such a military organism as the ARMY (association). The current situation related to the approach of NATO to the immediate borders of Russia forces our leadership again to create the so-called buffer, which used to be tank armies in the GDR, motorized rifle and tank divisions in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Poland. And from the point of view of the revival and preservation of the Russian (Soviet) army traditions of the formation of the armed forces, from my point of view, as a professional military, CORRECT!
    I have the honor! soldier
  50. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 5 February 2016 11: 29
    +1
    Heh heh heh ... say, the furniture maker ruined the army?
    Taman and Kantemirov divisions never been fully stocked. As a rule, these divisions were kept in a two-regiment structure. Their number did not reach 12-12,5 thousand people, which corresponds to a fully equipped division. And if the connection is 70% complete, then this means in practice that it is limitedly combat-ready. The capabilities of the Taman and Kantemirov divisions are quite enough for military parades, but probably not for military operations.

    For a minute, the 2nd and 4th divisions are constant readiness formations. Elite, guard, cover of the capital. And even if they were not able to be staffed, what then was going on in the remaining divisions before the furniture maker?
    And what is better - such a "division", capable in fact of putting up a maximum of a reinforced battalion from a regiment, or a brigade capable of leaving with almost full complement?