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The first monument to Stalin nobody will be able to demolish

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The first monument to Stalin nobody will be able to demolish



31 January 1932 at the Magnitogorsk Metallurgical Combine by the heroic efforts of many thousands of workers: the workers and engineers put into operation the first blast furnace. The launch of advanced metallurgical production in the Urals became a real technological and strategic breakthrough of the young Soviet country.

Magnetic dreamed long ago and used mercilessly

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So, the first blast furnace was launched on 31 on January 1932, but the official birthday of the Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works is considered to be 1 on February 1932 of the year - on this day the blast furnace produced the first metal. The Magnitogorsk Metallurgical Combine first bore the name of Lenin, who took part in its creation by thought, then Stalin, who took part in the work. During the perestroika, it became just the Magnitogorsk Metallurgical Combine, but remained the flagship of the Russian metallurgy, which is not too easy to get work on.

But back to the first blast. It is well known that metallurgy in Russia was created not so much by prudent capitalists as by adventurers and romantics. And, oddly enough, it worked. So it happened and plans to build a metallurgical plant in the southern Urals near the mountain Magnetic, almost - in the open field, because there was no forest, which drowned low-power blast furnaces before the revolution, no other types of fuel. Even if to mine ore, how then to process?


Magnitka. Start of construction Magnitka. Start of construction

However, the reserves of Magnitnaya Mountain - half a billion tons of iron ore, partially coming to the surface - did not give rest to the industrialists before the revolution. The ores were very rich. The best samples contained up to 70% iron. And, of course, those who understood what results would bring it, dreamed that they would be given the right to develop the field at Magnitnaya.

It is worth noting that Mount Magnitnaya is not a monolith, but a group of low “old” mountains, covering an area of ​​about 25 square kilometers. These are the mountains - Attach, Dalnyaya, Uzyanka, Ezhovka, Berezovaya, which are located on the left bank of the Ural River.

In 1743, the Orenburg Governor Neplyuev founded the fort of "Uisk line". According to some reports, it was intended to protect Magnitnaya from illegal mining of ore. Near the fortress, the Magnitnaya village appeared soon. 6 May 1774, she tried to capture her Emelyan Pugachev. The battle with the royal troops came out strange. During the day, the fortress desperately resisted, and at night the troops went over to the side of the “Tsar Liberator”. And the village became a stronghold and base of the Pugachev army ...

It cannot be said that they did not attempt to develop ore on Magnitnaya before the Soviet era. The first permission for mining and construction of factories in this place - on the rivers Avzyan and Tirlyanka - was obtained by industrialists Ivan Borisovich Tverdyshev and his son-in-law Ivan Stepanovich Myasnikov. It happened this October 27 1752. They built in the southern Urals 15 plants (one of the first - Beletsky), which mainly worked for the fortress. Together with civilian workers, their number was 6 thousand people.

Cheap labor cost of serfs became the basis of profit at these plants. According to some information, pounds of ore harvested and folded at the foot of the mountain cost the breeders 0,06 pennies, and together with the delivery to the plant, 2,36 − 2,56 pennies cost them. Ore was mined in the most primitive way - with a pick and a shovel. Working conditions were such that people died before they reached 30 years, but the profit grew anyway, as did the country's need for iron. However, in 1877, the enterprises became unprofitable and went back to the joint-stock company for debts, and, in fact, the German-Belgian company Vogau and Co., which substantially upgraded all technological processes and purchased new equipment. But the prey was still conducted by great-grandfather methods - spontaneously, primitively and predatory.

Is building a new plant? Revolutionary decision

Meanwhile, the rich Magnitogorsk constantly attracted the attention of scientists. They explored it in the XVIII and XIX centuries. And at the beginning of the twentieth century, when a government commission headed by Dmitry Ivanovich Mendeleev was sent there. Only then did they begin to lay the correct ore mines, stopping the spontaneous mining of ore by the population.


The arrival of workers at the construction Magniitki. 1929 Arrival of workers for the construction of Magniitki. Xnumx

Another commission, led by Vladimir Ivanovich Bauman (a professor at the St. Petersburg Mining Institute and the creator of modern mine surveying) and Ivan Mikhailovich Bakhurin (developed a theory of interpretation of magnetic reconnaissance data and magnetic microscopic techniques for surveying purposes) was sent to Magnetic in 1917 — 1918 years and appreciated its potential. Before the revolution, ore, mined from Magnitnaya mountain in small quantities, was taken for processing at the Beloretsk plant. Recall that it was impossible to process it with the same methods - using charcoal - due to the lack of forests.

Meanwhile, in the steel industry of Ukraine, coke has long been used. And this method was approved by the same Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev, who believed that building large blast furnaces in the Urals and in Siberia is simply necessary. But there were no coal deposits near Magnitnaya. The nearest was in the Kuznetsk coal basin, that is, in the Kuzbass. Carry coal from there, and in return - to get the metal? This is insanely expensive and unprofitable! This "pendulum" was considered an economic utopia. It is much cheaper to develop metallurgy in Ukraine - in the Donbass and Krivoy Rog!

In the article “Stalin's industrialization” Mikhail Kiryukhin writes: “A talented mining engineer P.I. Palchinsky spoke out against the“ Magnitka ”project ... In his opinion, the choice of location for the construction of a metallurgical plant should be based on many factors, of which proximity to the field resolutely can not be the main. Palchinsky cited as an example the experience of the United States, where steel mills are located in places with sufficient labor resources and where it is relatively cheap - along the river (Detroit, Cleveland and the “Magnitka” prototype itself - a factory in Gary, Indiana) or along an existing railroad - to deliver the necessary resources (and Pittsburgh so generally stands on a huge coal deposit, but not iron). He urged the engineers involved in the design of such a large plant to choose between possible alternatives and take into account the cost of logistics; He demanded additional research of the fields, insisted that meeting the most basic needs of the workers (housing, food, quality of life) was not a question of the ethics of building communism, but a strictly necessary condition for a qualitative increase in production. Palchinsky called, argued, demanded, explained, insisted, justified - and was shot without trial. ” Palchinsky was one of the first in the list of victims of the construction of Magnitogorsk.

However, the idea of ​​building MMK turned out to be an unexpectedly strong supporter - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, who paid great attention to the rich Ural subsoil and highly appreciated the potential of Siberia and the Southern Urals in terms of mineral production. He also believed that the expensive transportation of coal to Magnitnaya will fully pay off the high content of iron ore in the rock and the low cost of its production. After all, she had and exits to the surface.

Of course, the necessary transport infrastructure, new railway, new technologies. But here it is possible to turn to foreign experience. The main thing is that after the victory of the October Revolution, the task could be solved on a national scale. In addition, it does not hurt to use the enthusiasm of the proletariat, and how cheap labor will cost.

A commission was created to develop a plan for the transfer of heavy industry beyond the Urals, and also to calculate the possibilities of a single economic complex linking the Kuzbass and the South Urals. And then this idea had many opponents who considered it ruinous for the country. However, the commission brought encouraging results.

“In November, 1926, the presidium of the Ural Regional Economic Council, approved the construction site of a new metallurgical plant - a site near Magnetic Mountain. 2 March 1929 was appointed Vitaly Hasselblat, who immediately went to the USA as a member of a group of Soviet specialists, Magnitrostroi wrote, referring to Expert magazine, in the article “The War That Could Not Be” information resource RNNS. - The trip plans included an order for both construction projects and the necessary for the American industrial equipment plant. The main result of the trip was the conclusion of 13 on May 1929 of an agreement between Vostokstal and Arthur McKee from Cleveland to design the Magnitogorsk Metallurgical Combine (a little later a contract was signed with the German company Demag for the rolling plant of this combine). ”

McKee engineers developed a master plan for the plant, and engineers from the Ural Institute Gipromez also worked side by side with them. According to the calculations of the Americans, the furnace was supposed to be started in the 1934 year.

The head of the construction of the coke-chemical plant, the production of which was so necessary for the successful operation of the blast furnace, was another “strong manager” Lazar M. Maryasin. His work was evaluated in different ways, there were complaints about the organization of construction and workers' life, and the violation of certain technological conditions. However, the country's leadership was initially satisfied with the results, and in 1933-36, he became the head of the Uralvagonzavod construction.

The construction of MMK involved 46 design organizations, 158 factories, 49 railways, 108 universities. It was Russian design engineers who did most of the technical documentation for MMK.

However, the process required a leader who would be able to unite all the efforts of the performers and direct them in the right direction. In 1931, he was a strong business executive, well versed in metallurgy and already experienced in managing profile factories, Yakov Semyonovich Gugel (born in 1895, shot in 1937), before that he had extensive experience in managing the metallurgical industry.


Magnitka. Construction Magnitogorsk. Building

He was a man of a decisive nature, so he immediately took up the removal of excess and restoring order at a construction site, which was conducted on an amateurish level - with the squandering of building materials, equipment and the chaotic distribution of labor among the objects. He planned the creation of separate workshops - blast furnace, open-hearth and rolling. Now both builders and designers clearly understood their tasks. The stove without reservoir was erected in 74 of the day.

30 June 1929, the construction of the railway line Kartaly - Magnitogorsk was completed, workers began to arrive at the construction site.
15 May 1931, the mine was commissioned.
1 July 1930, the ceremonial laying of the first blast furnace was made. The ceremony was attended by 14 thousands of workers.
October 9 blast furnace №1 put on drying.
31 January 1932 in 11: The 15 furnace was started (blown out), although American scientists believed that it was technologically impossible to do this in a thirty-degree frost.

1 February 1932 of the year in 21: The furnace 30 produced the first cast iron.

To maintain the feeling of “revolutionary pride”, the most advanced workers who built the furnace, a dozen iron tiles with the image of Lenin and the inscription “As a sign of your active participation in the construction of the first stage of the Magnitogorsk Metallurgical Plant, the plant management department gives you a memorial plaque cast from the first blast furnace No. 1 - 1 February 1932 g. ".

What "editorials" were silent about ...


In the distant 1932 year, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin was already in power in the USSR, insisting on the tight deadlines for starting the furnace. Neither the leadership of the CMI or Ordzhonikidze decided to disobey him, despite the fair protests of the Americans.

The furnace was started, reported, but the pipes that were underground, burst from the temperature difference. From one section of the furnace flew a piece of masonry. The hot gases escaping from the steelmaking process escaped from there. According to the testimony of historians of Magnitogorsk, people made fires to warm the earth, get to the pipes and patch them. In this case, no one got sick. Well, the situation itself was the reason for the termination of the contract with the company McKee. Very opportunely, since the currency of the Soviet leadership ended.

On October 1, 1936, by order No. 1425 of the People’s Commissariat of Heavy Industry, the construction of the MMK was transferred to a contractual way, for which the Magnitostroy construction and installation trust was organized under the authority of GUMP NKTP. Konstantin Dmitrievich Valerius was appointed as the manager. In the tradition of the trust included to pass objects turnkey.

The rush at the launch of blast furnace No. XXUMX ММН was clearly dictated by the strategic interests of the USSR. In Europe, it was very restless, and no one ruled out the likelihood of war. To place the steel industry complex beyond the Urals was from a military point of view a very important decision to strengthen the country's defense. A month after the start of the war, he gave the country armored steel. Plants of the metallurgical industry were evacuated beyond the Urals, which were able to continue their work on the basis of MMK. Steelworkers worked on defense day and night.


The first armor produced on the blooming. July 1941 First blooming armor plate. July 1941

Since 1937, the heroic история MMK turned the dark side to the plant construction managers. Let us start with Jacob Gugel, born in Belarus, who established Soviet power in Odessa, fought with the white army in Bessarabia, studied at intervals at the technological institute and became one of the prominent leaders in metallurgy. In March, 1935, Jacob Gugel was awarded the Order of Lenin for his services in the construction of two giants of the metallurgical industry of the first five years - Magnitka and Azovstal.

Historian Lev Yarutsky wrote about him: “He was first promoted to the post of independent production commander in Taganrog — in 26 years he became director of a boiler plant. Then there were command posts at the Yuzovsky and Konstantinovsky metallurgical plants ... Gugel immortalized his name by directing the construction of metallurgical giants of world importance. But besides Magnitka and Azovstal, he built another plant - Mariupol Novotrubny named after V.V. Kuybyshev. However, this construction, and the fact that he saved the former Providence from dismantling and achieved its reconstruction, and the fact that he raised the Ilyich plant to the height, is all a “trifle” compared to the Magnitogorsk and Azovstal epics. ”

However, 19 August 1937, the security officer of the 4 Division of the UGB NKVD of Donetsk region, Senior State Security Sergeant Trofimenko made a decision on the arrest of Gugel, which authorized the Prosecutor General. Soon, Gugel recognized himself as a member of a Trotskyist organization organized in Donbass, which was allegedly headed by Ordzhonikidze's favorite Georgy Gvakharia, who was appointed director of the Makeyevka metallurgical plant after he had torn it off completely with Trotsky.

According to Yarutsky, Gugel did not really approve of the actions of the Soviet authorities, especially the voluntarism of Soviet officials in organizing production. 14 October 1937, he was shot.

“When, according to Tatyana Ivanovna Gugel, widows of Yakov Semyonovich, who served eight years in camps and prisons as“ a member of the traitor’s family ”, the Assistant Military Prosecutor of the Kiev Military District for special units of the Stalin Region had a captain of justice with a big literary name - Fadeyev conscientiously rechecked the former case Director of Azovstal and obtained completely irrefutable evidence of his innocence, ”writes Yarutsky,“ but nevertheless came to the conclusion (and it was already after the 20th Congress) that Tatiana’s statement Ivanovna about the rehabilitation of her husband should be left unsatisfied, Gugel was shot a second time. And only when all the “accomplices” of Gugel — Gvakharia, Sarkisov, and others — received a complete rehabilitation (the posthumous, of course) got a completely ridiculous situation, they finally had mercy on Yakov Semenovich. ”

In the spring of 1936, the NKVD fabricated the case “On the activities of a Trotskyist sabotage organization at Uralvagonstroy, Uralvagonzavod,” during which about two thousand people were arrested, including the construction and plant managers. Among them is Lazar Maryasin (1937), the head of the Magnitostroy trust — engineer Konstantin Dmitrievich Valerius, a native of Zlatoust, headed the reconstruction of the Zlatoust metallurgical combine.


Sign "Builder of the giant. Magnetostroy. USSR, Leningrad, 1931 г Sign “To the Builder of the Giant. Magnetostroy. USSR, Leningrad, 1931 g

Blast furnace No. 1 was completely reconstructed at the end of 1990's. After reconstruction, its volume increased to 1 370 cubic meters, productivity reached 1,2 million tons per year. In December, the furnace 2009 underwent a major overhaul and at the end of December, 2009 again reached full capacity.
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 7 February 2016 06: 58
    -54 qualifying.
    The first monument of Dzhugashvilli is Gori in Georgia, it is necessary to make pilgrims go there as to Mecca or Jerusalem, Stalin is almost a religion for some. On the Censor Bandera is less often mentioned as here Stalin and Beria, almost every day and through the article, it’s just not funny already.
    1. venaya
      venaya 7 February 2016 07: 07
      50
      "Stalin is almost a religion for some"- There is such a question: for some, almost a religion is a specific person, for others, almost a religion is their native country and its well-being. And what is more important, a person or a country? We are simply talking about the fact that under the active rule of this person, the country is not without difficulty, but has achieved tremendous and impressive success. Forget about it? I don't think it can be productive or useful.
      1. cap
        cap 7 February 2016 07: 25
        22
        Quote: venaya
        It is simply a matter of the fact that, with the active rule of this person, the country, not without difficulty, but achieved tremendous and impressive successes. Forget about it? I don’t think it can be productive and useful.


        I agree 100%. There is also an axiom, there are variants of it in different languages. The essence does not change "3.14 do not roll bags."
        What is impressively outlined in the article. To the author +
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        1. ava09
          ava09 7 February 2016 18: 47
          +3
          Well. firstly: not "dib ...", but "deb ...". Prayer is a lesson for houses of worship and will suit you better. And at the expense of Stalin, here's an interesting link, read the document: http://finobzor.ru/show-5638-ipoteka-kotoruyu-my-poteryali-ili-kak-stroilos-zhil
          e-pri-staline.html
      3. tol100v
        tol100v 7 February 2016 19: 26
        +3
        Quote: venaya
        . Forget about it?

        He who has forgotten his story will not see tomorrow!
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 February 2016 07: 20
      35
      Quote: Igor39
      ... Stalin is almost a religion for some ...


      Religion is based on stories and narratives about things to be taken for granted. You can feel Stalin's legacy with your hands, just as you can see with your eyes the "legacy" that remained after his death:
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 7 February 2016 07: 45
        -31 qualifying.
        Who owns the legacy of Stalin, Yuri ???
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 7 February 2016 08: 05
          +1
          Minta Holding Limited * 87,26%
          The Bank of New York Mellon ** 5,03%
          Other shareholders 7,71%
          Total 100,0%
          * - According to available information, the Chairman of the Board of Directors of OJSC MMK V.F. Rashnikov is the beneficiary of Minta Holding Limited.

          ** - beneficiaries are holders of global depositary receipts listed on the London Stock Exchange
        2. atos_kin
          atos_kin 7 February 2016 10: 50
          18
          That's why they remember Stalin and Beria, because they did not sell the country. And under the current rulers, only dib ... the names of the true leaders are sore.
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      2. tol100v
        tol100v 7 February 2016 19: 29
        0
        Quote: yuriy55
        "inheritance" that remained after his death:

        Asceticism for yourself, and everything else for the country!
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 7 February 2016 20: 08
          -4
          Quote: Tol100v
          Asceticism for yourself, and everything else for the country!

          Asceticism? Precisely from "him" you will soon make an old man!
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 7 February 2016 20: 23
            +3
            Quote: RUSS
            Asceticism? Precisely from "him" you will soon make an old man!

            Well, it’s not necessary, but Stalin was without a doubt a great man under whose leadership our people defeated fascism, which made our country a superpower with the opinion of which the whole world was considered.
            And no doubt Stalin deserves eternal memory from all of our people.
    3. ImPerts
      ImPerts 7 February 2016 07: 32
      32
      Call me whatever you want, blame me for anything, but I completely agree with Felix Chuev:
      Why cut down the monuments to Stalin?
      They would remind of the past
      power gained and abandoned
      a serious, respected leader.

      At any time and during it
      stand on the dead - God forbid!
      The deceased, according to ancient law,
      it is not customary to disturb in Russia.

      It wasn’t supposed to go dead
      to unfold the grave is a sin.
      We got such a story -
      Russia is forever destined for something.

      And so many majesties she had!
      Grandfather once told me:
      all cult yes cult ...
      There was such a person -
      and therefore, probably, there was a cult.

      And whatever you say about him there,
      no matter how you judge bitterly, ardently,
      he left his greatcoat, shabby tunic
      yes valenki hemmed yet.

      But he also left the state
      with such authority on earth
      that, my dear, there’s nowhere to go -
      imagine yourself even for a moment in the Kremlin.

      And all that he marked with his lips
      to match him there was only one.
      - What kind of Stalin are you?
      I'm not Stalin yet! -
      he used to say to his son.

      And on the sacred stone platform
      in hoary frost on the seventh of November
      he believed in those who believed in June,
      calmly speaking of victory.

      What nature was bubbling in him
      and as he gigantic understood
      when the health of the Russian people
      he raised high above the world!

      Is it just as gloomy and quiet
      he killed in Russian,
      what truth he carried, master
      in his pockmarked, broken fist?

      It is primary, true, not fame,
      she stood behind him at the helm
      you can’t knock it off the pedestal
      and you won’t even bury at the Kremlin.

      We knew the truth, children of the fracture,
      we children of fatherlessness, war,
      in brick cities and on straw
      his smile were saved.

      Perhaps we loved unrequitedly -
      such love will not be touched by decay.
      We loved Stalin wholeheartedly,
      what faith have given us in return?

      We believed, and faith was killed ...
      But unbelief is three times hard
      and "Stalin - our military glory"
      we sang defiantly and evil.

      Already we are just tired of believing
      we already arrived in time to find out everything.
      It’s not our business, this is our business,
      as if mom were being hurt, mother.

      True, crossed out by blood
      fatherly ill-conceived times
      then our truth, blood, sons, -
      we would be worse if not for him.

      We are a very difficult generation,
      bring us that flame and glow
      so that "Lenin" blazed primordially,
      to burn the "International"!

      Russia is falling on our shoulders
      hopes for youth now,
      think so, guys are not easy, -
      Now no one thinks for us.

      May our step be precise and powerful!
      And this is faith, not just a cry.
      For this the best of the best died
      and perished from enemies and from their own.

      And who went But the Lenin Mausoleum
      and got special rations?
      But, if our generation is asked:
      - Were the Bolsheviks in general?

      I know them.
      They raised me.
      Burning holy on the doors of the "Party".
      Unsaturated builders of Russia,
      I was also a Bolshevik from childhood.

      Like everyone, I nibbled a mukuha with an appetite,
      and was happy
      and proud was like everyone else.
      I am his son. And I'm biased.
      It’s not about someone -
      about father.
      1. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 7 February 2016 12: 16
        +2
        Quote: ImPerts
        Why cut down the monuments to Stalin?

        So who cut it down? crest, they have a national sport such, with monuments to fight. There the French Bonaparte, save the Bastille, and nothing. My *** habit is to break what others have built, for they themselves are unable to create anything. Here it’s not even Khrushchev's fault, but the fact that such people seized power.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 7 February 2016 13: 10
          11
          Fists clench when you think about who owns the flagships of Soviet industry today and which people are the guarantors of the stability of these new things. am
          I wonder what monument the modern government will leave behind?
          Apparently, the baryzny sites of metal reception, serpentarium ebn, the skeletons of those factories that were heroically built by the whole people during the years of the first five-year plans, hemp instead of taiga and holes from wells.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 14: 13
            +3
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            I wonder what monument the modern government will leave behind?
            We built monuments to our beloved ones, which were protected at our expense by closed country cooperative societies. For example, the hut of Dmitry Anatolyevich on the territory of the Black Sea nature reserve Bolshoi Utrish. And the elite mansions in central London decorated with some Vasya Pupkin than monuments from the era of developed capitalism?
          2. tol100v
            tol100v 7 February 2016 19: 44
            +1
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            I wonder what monument the modern government will leave behind?

            The main monument is the absence of the Civil War! But, the Russian man harnesses for a long time ....., but then he goes fast! I wouldn’t like this!
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 7 February 2016 22: 11
              0
              Quote: Tol100v
              The main monument is the absence of the Civil War!

              And where did you get the idea that there is no civil war? It has been going on for 25 years in hidden forms, for example, in the form of genocide of the population, when some, supposedly citizens who usurped power, silently kill other citizens, depriving them of access to health care, education, depriving them of work, and those who have this job are mercilessly exploited.
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        3. MSL
          MSL 7 February 2016 14: 15
          +1
          They dug up the Bastille, Bastille Square. Jail- demolished.
          Is it necessary to demolish, or the monuments to Bendera, Sashko Biloma, and others. Freaks left to descendants?
        4. moskowit
          moskowit 7 February 2016 15: 09
          +2
          I, apparently, completely lagged behind ... But what, the Bastille was again built? When, let the foolish, find out?
        5. tol100v
          tol100v 7 February 2016 19: 39
          +2
          Quote: fennekRUS
          There the French Bonaparte, save the Bastille, and nothing.

          I wonder which Bastille and which Bonaparte? And who saves whom? Le Pan Sarkozy or vice versa? Although now in France, the exact opposite!
        6. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 22: 31
          +3
          Comrade
          There has been no Bastille for about 200 years.
          Some kind of bridge was built from its brick.
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 13 February 2016 01: 34
            0
            Concorde Bridge
      2. tol100v
        tol100v 7 February 2016 19: 34
        +1
        Quote: ImPerts
        And whatever you say about him there,
        no matter how you judge bitterly, ardently,
        he left his greatcoat, shabby tunic
        yes valenki hemmed yet.
        This is the question and the answer!
    4. ava09
      ava09 7 February 2016 07: 36
      +8
      Quote: Igor39
      The first monument of Dzhugashvilli is Gori in Georgia, it is necessary to make pilgrims go there as to Mecca or Jerusalem, Stalin is almost a religion for some. On the Censor Bandera is less often mentioned as here Stalin and Beria, almost every day and through the article, it’s just not funny already.


      Then it was rather "almost anti-religion" because "Destalinization" imposed by the Trotskyists of all stripes became "almost religion". But seriously, "Big is seen at a distance" and I would add when there is something to compare. And what the political plebeians did in Russia after Stalin's death eventually reaches the people and people compare. In whose favor the comparison also becomes clear ...
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 7 February 2016 07: 51
        -27 qualifying.
        All of them were in the same party, like-minded, led, educated the Soviet people, and in 91 they themselves destroyed the USSR and participated in its sale and theft of the most valuable assets, these are also Stalin’s heirs and members of the CPSU.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 7 February 2016 11: 50
          -10 qualifying.
          Quote: Igor39
          All of them were in the same party, like-minded, led, educated the Soviet people, and in 91 they themselves destroyed the USSR and participated in its sale and theft of the most valuable assets, these are also Stalin’s heirs and members of the CPSU.

          One thing that reassures is that both Putin and Medvedev are definitely anti-Stalinists, therefore, there will never be a monument to a tyrant in Russia.
          1. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 7 February 2016 18: 32
            +2
            RUSS (3)
            One thing that reassures is that both Putin and Medvedev are definitely anti-Stalinists, therefore, there will never be a monument to a tyrant in Russia.


            that is, you think that such monuments to heroes are much better for the country laughing
            Oh well winked
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 7 February 2016 19: 00
              +1
              Quote: regressSSSR

              that is, you think that such monuments to heroes are much better for the country
              Oh well

              Did you decide for me? No, you did not guess, Yeltsin is not my hero.
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 7 February 2016 11: 48
      -5
      Quote: Igor39
      The first monument of Dzhugashvilli is Gori in Georgia, it is necessary to make pilgrims go there as to Mecca or Jerusalem, Stalin is almost a religion for some. On the Censor Bandera is less often mentioned as here Stalin and Beria, almost every day and through the article, it’s just not funny already.

      Yes, it’s like they had already elevated Stalin to the rank of saints in their red faith, well, how much can one procrastinate the same thing and by the way, if there are believers among the Communists, do not forget about the commandment - do not create an idol for yourself! Although to whom I say this ...
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 7 February 2016 12: 40
        -8
        Yes, I want to visit the site less and less and comment, all the more so, you have definitely inserted a picture, the herd is inhabited by a herd of dissatisfied elderly pensioners who love Stalin for no reason, but those who didn’t live with him are just ridiculous to the sufferers laughing
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 7 February 2016 12: 42
          -7
          Quote: Igor39
          Yes, I want to visit and comment on the site less and less

          Yes there is ...
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            1. RUSS
              RUSS 7 February 2016 12: 54
              +3
              Quote: Igor39
              They think that with their minuses they can change a person’s opinion, and, so to speak, show love for the homeland, what a good Stalin took the course, that now the oligarchs have all the good of the people.

              You know, sometimes a large number of minuses, on the contrary, attracts more attention to comments, therefore they are read more, thereby getting acquainted with a different point of view, so let them be minus! Forward comrades !!!!
            2. padded jacket
              padded jacket 7 February 2016 13: 15
              0
              Quote: Igor39
              They think that their minuses can change a person’s opinion

              Yes, do not change your mind to whom is it in principle interesting then?
              It was people like you from the "fifth column" who won in the USSR under Gorbachev and then Yeltsin and their gang of thieves and murderers, and it was they who tore our country under the guise of the ranks and merits of the communists, but in fact there were only mercenaries of the USA and Israel striving to destroy the USSR ...
              It is good that now V.V. Putin has come to power and brought at least some sort of order in our state. But he is too liberal and such copies must at least be expelled from the country.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 7 February 2016 13: 22
                -3
                Quote: quilted jacket
                It was people like you from the "fifth column" who won in the USSR under Gorbachev and then Yeltsin and their gang of thieves and murderers, and it was they who tore our country under the guise of the ranks and merits of the communists, but in fact there were only mercenaries of the USA and Israel striving to destroy the USSR ...

                How predictable are you, the same thing every day, the same song.
                And what did you (Vatnik) do to save the USSR? Why overslept? Why brought to this?
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 7 February 2016 13: 30
                  +6
                  Quote: RUSS
                  How predictable are you, the same thing every day, the same song.

                  It is you who are predictable - that under the USSR that now "spitefully" whine and carry "dirt" against our country, it is good that there are not very many of them.
                  Quote: RUSS
                  And what did you do to save the USSR? Why overslept? Why brought to this?

                  Too good honest and even a few naive people were brought up by the Soviet government and from the beginning we simply did not understand that such “bad people” from the “fifth column” should simply be “destroyed” and not enter into discussions with them. Unfortunately, there was no real leader who led the people.
                  Then it was too late no one wanted a real civil war.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 7 February 2016 13: 38
                    -3
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    It is you who are predictable - that under the USSR that now "spitefully" whine and carry "dirt" against our country, it is good that there are not very many of them.

                    It’s not so, I was born in the Union and didn’t pour mud on it, no need to decide for me.
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Too good honest and even a few naive people were brought up by the Soviet government and from the beginning we simply did not understand that such “bad people” from the “fifth column” should simply be “destroyed” and not enter into discussions with them. Unfortunately, there was no real leader who led the people.
                    Then it was too late no one wanted a real civil war.

                    I assumed so - "I have nothing to do with it, I did not know, I am not to blame, they are all, etc."
                    Not only did the country pros ... or the country voted for Yeltsin, but everyone is guilty of some kind of mythical "fifth column", who even is it? name one of them? Gorbach does not count.
                    1. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 7 February 2016 13: 59
                      +2
                      Quote: RUSS
                      This is not so I was born in the Union

                      Firstly, neither I nor anyone on the site really knows how and where you were born; you just say so.
                      Quote: RUSS
                      and didn’t water him with dirt, no need to decide for me.

                      I don’t decide anything for you; I’m just stating - facts.
                      Quote: RUSS
                      I assumed so - "I have nothing to do with it, I did not know, I am not to blame, they are all, etc."

                      I don't care what "people" like you assume, but what you clearly think of as our "fifth column" is beyond doubt.
                      Quote: RUSS
                      Not only did the country pros..li also voted for Yeltsin, but everyone is guilty of some kind of mythical "fifth column", who even is it?

                      So I say, we were too kind and humane, and it was necessary for people with a similar opinion not to sit in a psychiatric hospital as good communists, but as Stalin did to them.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 7 February 2016 14: 07
                        -3
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Firstly, neither I nor anyone on the site really knows how and where you were born; you just say so.

                        Abnormal suspicion, imaginary and distrust inherent in people like you.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        I don't care what "people" like you assume, but what you clearly think of as our "fifth column" is beyond doubt.

                        In vain.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        So I say, we were too kind and humane, and it was necessary for people with a similar opinion not to sit in a psychiatric hospital as good communists, but as Stalin did to them.

                        Would you be the first candidate for a psychiatric hospital, or how do many people on this site think of themselves as a nkvdeshnik? Fuck you, the first you to build a canal named after Moscow.

                        And yet, what are the names of the "fifth column"?
                      2. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 7 February 2016 14: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Abnormal suspicion, imaginary and distrust inherent in people like you.

                        No need to translate your phobias on me.
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Would you be the first candidate for a psychiatric hospital, or how do many people on this site think of themselves as a nkvdeshnik?

                        Of course, of course, they "imprisoned" people with an opinion like yours, and it was not so, and it is not true even if it will be useful at the construction sites of socialism, otherwise they only know how to "whine, lie and steal".
                        Quote: RUSS
                        And yet, what are the names of the "fifth column"?

                        Are you weird or is it just a standard troll trick?
                        Don't you know your sponsors by name?
                      3. RUSS
                        RUSS 7 February 2016 14: 40
                        -3
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Are you weird or is it just a standard troll trick?
                        Don't you know your sponsors by name?

                        Are you trying to "move out" from the question? It won't work, do you know why? Because you have no answer, ha ha ha, I laugh in your face.
                        I will ask you again NAME THE SURNAMES OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE IMAGINARY "FIFTH COLUMN" WHICH BROKEN THE USSR.
                      4. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 7 February 2016 14: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Because you have no answer, ha ha ha, I laugh in your face.

                        Yes, except for pity, you do not cause anything.
                        Quote: RUSS
                        I will ask you again NAME THE SURNAMES OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE IMAGINARY "FIFTH COLUMN" WHICH BROKEN THE USSR.

                        I have already listed some below or the eyes are "splashed" with something and can't you see?
                      5. RUSS
                        RUSS 7 February 2016 17: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Yes, except for pity, you do not cause anything.

                        Pity is one of the most controversial feelings. Someone writes him into the greatest virtue, and someone, with the light hand of Maxim Gorky, categorically declares that man's pity humiliates.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        I have already listed some below or the eyes are "splashed" with something and can't you see?

                        Threw off the "demotivator" with some kind of lumpen like Navodvorskaya and what? Where are the names of really significant people from the "fifth column"? Do not search the Internet and do not strain your brain, because your "fifth column" is to blame for everything, and this is partly the KGB and the SVR and the Politburo and the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, in short, the whole system that is rotten is the fifth column, and Gorbach and Yeltsin it is only a "consequence" of this system that drove the Union to collapse.
                      6. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 7 February 2016 19: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Pity is one of the most controversial feelings.

                        Yes, I do not care who and how I think you just feel sorry.
                        Quote: RUSS
                        Threw off the "demotivator" with some kind of lumpen like Navodvorskaya, so what?

                        As we have, the entire "fifth column" consists mainly of such Novodvorsk Abramovichs, Netsovs Gaidars, who were nothing but could only steal, lie and beg for money from the United States and Israel.
                        Quote: RUSS
                        because your "fifth column" is to blame for everything, this is partly the KGB and the SVR and the Politburo and the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, in short, the whole system that is rotten is the fifth column, and Gorbach and Yeltsin are only a "consequence" of this system that drove Union to collapse.

                        It was these "traitors" who, to put it mildly, who flooded all the structures of our country and began to breed in them theft, nepotism and spread lies, led to the collapse of the USSR. Stalin successfully fought them by giving them shovels for digging the White Sea-Baltic Canal, but unfortunately our subsequent leadership relaxed too much and missed the fact that various paid Sakharovs began to "decompose" our country from within.
                        And now such "zeros" are gnawing at Russia.
                      7. RUSS
                        RUSS 7 February 2016 20: 14
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Yes, I do not care who and how I think you just feel sorry.
                      8. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 7 February 2016 20: 26
                        +1
                        Well, yes, I am so very kind, I feel sorry for everyone, even citizens from the "fifth column" smile
                      9. RUSS
                        RUSS 7 February 2016 20: 33
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, yes, I am so very kind, I feel sorry for everyone, even citizens from the "fifth column" smile

                        good
            3. ava09
              ava09 7 February 2016 15: 09
              0
              Quote: RUSS
              I will ask you again NAME THE SURNAMES OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE IMAGINARY "FIFTH COLUMN" WHICH BROKEN THE USSR.

              You whine in the comments that the "old people-pensioners" minus you because they say they love Stalin. At the expense of pensioners - I do not know, but minus for stupidity, and not for Stalin. On the website, one can clearly trace the "opportunistic" cell, as long as it consists of disgruntled Trotskyists RUSSA, I would clarify: ANTIRUSSA and Igor39. ))) Even the site got offended, unfortunate ...
            4. RUSS
              RUSS 7 February 2016 17: 56
              -2
              Quote: ava09
              discontented Trotskyists RUSSA

              Thank you laugh good
              Quote: ava09
              Even the site got angry, unhappy ...

              You will not wait, and the fact that there are actually a lot of identical articles on the site is a fact, you may write more often, for example, about General Karbyshev, "Molodaya Gvardiya", etc.
            5. ava09
              ava09 8 February 2016 05: 22
              -2
              [/ Quote]
              Apparently a hereditary nobleman laughing
              Of what kind, if not a secret, is it not from the great "Russian" dynasty of Abramovich? lol[/ Quote]

              Dumb comment, just water. [/ Quote]

              Very capacious comment, but your answer to it is really stupid. However, I haven’t read anything from you yet.
  • 3news
    3news 9 February 2016 01: 07
    0
    Quote: quilted jacket
    "bad people" from the "fifth column" should simply be "destroyed" and not enter into discussions with them, unfortunately, there was no real leader who would lead the people.

    I know one such "leader". He is a foreigner, an Austrian by the name of Schicklgruber. Do you dream of this? Or do Georgians like Dzhugashvili more?
    PS. How did ordinary normal people around the world not think? Or do not know how?
  • IMHO
    IMHO 7 February 2016 21: 14
    -2
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Quote: Igor39
    They think that their minuses can change a person’s opinion

    Yes, do not change your mind to whom is it in principle interesting then?
    It was people like you from the "fifth column" who won in the USSR under Gorbachev and then Yeltsin and their gang of thieves and murderers, and it was they who tore our country under the guise of the ranks and merits of the communists, but in fact there were only mercenaries of the USA and Israel striving to destroy the USSR ...
    It is good that now V.V. Putin has come to power and brought at least some sort of order in our state. But he is too liberal and such copies must at least be expelled from the country.

    That is, a pension of $ 200 and an average salary in the country of $ 1000 in a country with gigantic resources, is this the order? Or can it explain why the patriots-deputies go to the geyropu for treatment, or does the wife of a baby ambu change give birth in Europe? Or are the children of cheers of patriots of deputies of iron ore studying in Europe? Or why the children and wives of deputies and officials always win tenders, and Putin turns a blind eye to this. Is this your ideal of justice? Are those who criticize the heel of the column? Or teach criticism. Who do you criticize correctly? Zyuganov?
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 7 February 2016 22: 17
      +1
      Quote: IMHO
      That is, a pension of $ 200 and an average salary in the country of $ 1000 in a country with gigantic resources, is this the order?

      So Stalin is needed again, or in any case the one who is less liberal than Vladimir Putin and who will sweep this entire "fifth column" out of our country and better send them to construction sites, let them work off "their sweat" what they have stolen.
      But for now, let him be V.V. Putin, although I personally don’t agree on everything with him, he did a lot for the country.
      Quote: IMHO
      Is this your ideal of justice?

      This is not ideal, but until we rearmed the army and modernized the industry, Vladimir Putin is acting quite competently not allowing the so-called "free world" to accuse our country of repression and genocide of the population. And if he starts "crushing" thieves, especially of Jewish nationality, then all the "democracies" will scream - a new Holocaust and the like.
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  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 7 February 2016 21: 04
    +2
    Igor39 (5)
    A herd of disgruntled elderly pensioners, who love Stalin, is unknown for no reason, but they didn’t live with him, it’s just ridiculous for them to suffer


  • olegactor
    olegactor 7 February 2016 21: 36
    +1
    what do you want ... you want to pray for Yeltsin and the Gorbachev goat ... these two shit they did a lot more
  • Severomor
    Severomor 8 February 2016 00: 55
    -2
    Quote: Igor39
    here Stalin and Beria, almost every day and through the article, are simply not funny already.


    Shit first - it's five !!!!
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  • ICT
    ICT 7 February 2016 07: 27
    +1
    The significant role of Magnitogorsk in the Great Patriotic War of the 1941-1945 years: the armor of every second tank, every third shell was made of Magnitogorsk steel smelted at the plant, the raw materials for which were taken from Mount Magnitnaya.


    but what happened to Magnet Mountain,
    The western part of the Magnitnaya Mountain mine was mined from 1929 to 1994 year. Almost 380 million tons of ore were mined here - most of what Magnitnaya Mountain produced. As a result, a quarry of 1800 meters long and 1600 meters wide was formed. Quarry Depth - 105 meters
  • Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 7 February 2016 07: 32
    +4
    To maintain a sense of “revolutionary pride”, a dozen iron tiles depicting Lenin and the inscription were cast and presented to the most advanced workers who built the furnace

    Sarcasm is not appropriate here. An article in the style of N. Mikhalkov's films - "how bad these NKVD officers and commissars are!"
  • Igor39
    Igor39 7 February 2016 07: 33
    -20 qualifying.
    "It's just that under the active rule of this man, the country, not without difficulty, but achieved tremendous and impressive successes" The famine of the 30s and the war of the 40s are also Stalin's successes?
    Historians still argue about what the role was in the Bretton Woods conference of the Soviet Union, which meekly agreed to the American version of the financial structure of the world with the dominant role of the dollar. Obviously, the decisions first on the participation of the USSR, and then on its agreement with the results of the Bretton Woods were not made by the head of the delegation Stepanov, but by the head of state Stalin. And it was unlikely that he had any illusions about the one in whose favor the decisions there would ultimately be made. It was obvious that Washington would use the conference to legally consolidate its financial and economic dominance in the post-war world. It was also his success.
    Canadian Finance Minister James Ilsley, U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau and USSR Deputy Foreign Secretary Mikhail Stepanov (left to right) at the Bretton Woods Conference, July 2, 1944. Photo: AP
    1. Idiot
      Idiot 8 February 2016 18: 32
      0
      Igor 39: what was the role in the Bretton Woods conference of the Soviet Union, which meekly agreed to the American version of the financial structure of the world with the dominant role of the dollar.

      Are you clinical? Did the USSR agree without a murmur? And what then caused the USSR to declare the Cold War?
      1. 3news
        3news 9 February 2016 00: 30
        -1
        Quote: pft, fkb
        And what then caused the USSR to declare the "cold war"?

        Oh. And when did this nightmare happen? And how did they notify? Sent a carrier pigeon? Or registered with a notice?
        How do you still love different "passions". Slightly not in your opinion (a private person spoke in Fulton), and immediately war. And immediately the execution. And immediately into the camp dust. Just some kind of unhealthy.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 7 February 2016 07: 52
    +4
    This is about them:
    In the sky
    the clouds are running
    rains
    dusk is compressed
    under the old
    cart
    workers are lying.
    And hears
    whisper proud
    water
    and under
    and over?
    "In four
    year
    here
    will
    garden city! "
    Dark leaden,
    and rain
    as thick as a tourniquet
    sit
    in dirt
    workers
    are sitting
    harness to a splinter.
    Drain out
    lips
    from the cold
    but lips
    whisper in tune:
    "In four
    year
    here
    will
    garden city! "
    Brought
    chill
    in short -
    unimportant
    wet
    comfort
    sit
    in the dark
    workers
    drenched
    bread
    chew.
    But whisper
    louder than hunger -
    he is covering
    drops
    recession:
    "In four
    year
    here
    will
    garden city! "
    Here
    explosions cry
    overclocking
    bear gangs
    and will rise
    bosom
    mine
    angular
    "Giant".
    Here
    stand up
    Building
    the walls.
    Beeps
    steam,
    sipy.
    Мы
    in a hundred suns
    martens
    flammable
    Siberia.
    Here is the house
    will give
    good to us
    and sit
    without soldering,
    already for Baikal
    discarded
    the taiga will move back. "
    Ros
    whisper of a worker
    over the subject
    fat herds
    so what is next
    inaudible
    only heard
    "garden city".
    I know -
    city
    will be,
    I know -
    the garden
    bloom
    when
    such people
    in the country
    in soviet
    there!
  • ava09
    ava09 7 February 2016 07: 58
    15
    Quote: Igor39
    "It's just that under the active rule of this man, the country, not without difficulty, but achieved tremendous and impressive successes" The famine of the 30s and the war of the 40s are also Stalin's successes?
    Historians still argue about what the role was in the Bretton Woods conference of the Soviet Union, which meekly agreed to the American version of the financial structure of the world with the dominant role of the dollar.


    So we can agree that the Great Patriotic War, which brought immeasurably great hardships to the people, was a "merit" of Stalin. Well, about Bretton Woods, did you understand what you said? The task of these negotiations is to redistribute the financial system with the establishment of the dollar as the world reserve currency and to involve the USSR in signing the treaty and joining this system. They even promised loans for the post-war reconstruction of the USSR. Stalin's greatest success was his refusal to recognize and join the Bretton Woods Accord. That, however, did not stop the Trotskyist Khrushch from getting the USSR on the petrodollar. Yes, and now we all feel the "charm" of this system in the form of modern crises, arranged by the owners of the Fed and other financial institutions that grew out of Bretton Woods.
    1. 3news
      3news 9 February 2016 01: 20
      -1
      Quote: ava09
      that the Great Patriotic War, which brought immeasurably great hardships to the people, was Stalin's "merit".

      Not the war itself, but its course and outcome. Of the 27 million lives, the lion's share of it lies.
      Quote: ava09
      Which, however, did not stop the Trotskyist Khrushch from planting the USSR on the petrodollar

      Khrushchev was displaced in 1964. And the program for the development of oil and gas fields was adopted by him in 1961. At the same time, oil prices began to rise only in 1974. So, you have problems, comrade. He did not have time.
      Quote: ava09
      plant the USSR on petrodollar

      Generally speaking, normal countries only benefit from the "petrodollar boost". Re-equipment is carried out, production diversification. And they are not engaged in the production of weapons in homeric sizes with their subsequent distribution for free to "friends" around the world. For kissing the general secretary on the gums.
  • VeterS
    VeterS 7 February 2016 08: 14
    +5
    God forbid, of course, but the current citizens of the former Soviet Union, so stupidly asks for it ... sorry, with a profession, in case of which, you don’t have to drag on to Stalingrad, what would it be then, from there .. . !!! The present country and current citizens do not have such a city-symbol of resilience and courage of ALL the people! No STALINGRAD!
  • Pig
    Pig 7 February 2016 09: 45
    +1
    what is generally accused of Stalin? "repression"?
    Yes, the same "saint" Nicholas 2 surpassed Joseph Vissarionich in all respects! One Revolution of 1905 with its massacres will surpass both 37 and collectivization combined ... this is so the most global without any Khodynok, Lena shootings and other Bloody Sundays
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 7 February 2016 13: 22
      +3
      Quote: Pig
      what is generally accused of Stalin? "repression"?

      Yeah, Stalin repressed everyone, even Hitler, that's why the "fifth column" of traitors to our country is cryinglaughing
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 7 February 2016 13: 31
        -4
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Yeah, Stalin repressed everyone, even Hitler, that's why our "fifth column" of traitors to our country is crying

        Can you name the representatives of the "fifth column" of Russia?
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 7 February 2016 13: 45
          +6
          Quote: RUSS
          Can you name the representatives of the "fifth column" of Russia?

          I have nothing more to do as the names of various "traitors" to hang out here, here you have a picture of your leaders yourself, find out.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 7 February 2016 14: 13
            -5
            Quote: quilted jacket
            I have nothing more to do as the names of various "traitors" to hang out here, here you have a picture of your leaders yourself, find out.

            I assumed that the people that you put in the picture have never influenced Russian politics, with the exception of Gorbachev and Berezovsky, the rest of the blanks, cheap stuff and other "zeros", and I asked you the names of people from the "fifth column" who destroyed the Union, who are they?
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 7 February 2016 14: 29
              +5
              Quote: RUSS
              I assumed that the people that you put in the picture have never influenced Russian politics, with the exception of Gorbachev and Berezovsky, the rest are empty shells, cheap stuff and other "zeros"

              Yes, here you are right exactly "cheap and zero" like many who are now lying to the USSR.
              Quote: RUSS
              and I asked you the names of people from the "fifth column" who destroyed the Union, who are they?

              Gorbachev Yakovlev Yeltsin Chubais Gaidar Nemtsov and many other so-called liberals.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 7 February 2016 14: 44
                0
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Gorbachev Yakovlev Yeltsin Chubais Gaidar Nemtsov and many other so-called liberals.

                Where and who were Chubais, Gaidar and Nemtsov in 91 and how were they involved in the collapse of the Union? Or the "fifth column" that destroyed the Union is only three people Yeltsin, Yakovlev and Gorbachev?
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 7 February 2016 15: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Where and who were Chubais, Gaidar and Nemtsov in the 91st year and how are they involved in the collapse of the Union?

                  All of them were near Yeltsin and participated in the collapse of the USSR.
                  Here's an example Gaidar - In the spring of 1991, Gaidar became the director of the Institute for Economic Policy at the Academy of National Economy of the USSR created on his initiative.
                  On the evening of August 20, 1991, Gaidar personally went to the Russian White House. At a meeting with Gennady Burbulis, he announced his readiness to cooperate with Boris Yeltsin.
                  In September 1991, Gaidar headed the working group of economists created by Burbulis and Alexei Golovkov under the State Council of the Russian Federation.
                  In November 1991, Gennady Burbulis informed Yegor Gaidar that he had been appointed deputy prime minister of the Russian government.
                  Here is Chubais - In 1990, deputy, then first deputy chairman of the executive committee of the Leningrad City Council, chief economic adviser to the mayor of Leningrad Anatoly Sobchak.
                  Since November 10, 1991 - Chairman of the State Committee of the Russian Federation for State Property Management - Minister of the RSFSR.
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Or the "fifth column" that destroyed the Union is only three people Yeltsin, Yakovlev and Gorbachev?

                  There were many "little" and petty little people who were striving for only one thing - to snatch a piece of the people's good, they usually did not advertise themselves.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 7 February 2016 18: 02
                    0
                    Quote: quilted jacket

                    There were many "small" and petty little people who were striving for only one thing - to snatch a piece of the people's good, they usually did not advertise themselves

                    It is precisely that the "Chubais" were small and worthless at that time, and the organ-Council of the Republics of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR.
                2. Terner38
                  Terner38 7 February 2016 15: 19
                  0
                  About "Tolik Chubais" is a good mention in the film about the era of the 80s "The Envy of the Gods". So all these figures and their ilk were "someone" much earlier than 91.
            2. Pig
              Pig 7 February 2016 19: 39
              +1
              "" other dummies, cheap things and other "zeros" ""
              it’s they now - cheap things and zeros, and in the 90s they were in all roles;) and even with money and power! even the cannibal Novodvorskaya was broadcasting from all the irons!
              and the people who destroyed the Union, they are also known - Humpbacked, Yakovlev, Shivornadze ....
              so don’t muddy the water
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 7 February 2016 20: 17
                0
                Quote: Pig
                "" other dummies, cheap things and other "zeros" ""
                it’s they now - cheap things and zeros, and in the 90s they were in all roles;) and even with money and power! even the cannibal Novodvorskaya was broadcasting from all the irons!
                and the people who destroyed the Union, they are also known - Humpbacked, Yakovlev, Shivornadze ....
                so don’t muddy the water

                You fools threw these idiots navodvorsky and Kasparov, and you are led, and others taxied and taxied and the loot from the country was taken away and they are not taking away.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 7 February 2016 20: 31
                  0
                  Quote: RUSS
                  You fools threw these idiots navodvorsky and Kasparov, and you are led, and others taxied and taxied and the loot from the country was taken away and they are not taking away.

                  Well, explain to us about the great wise guy lol who are these thieves who are taking away the loot.
                  1. Pig
                    Pig 7 February 2016 22: 00
                    -1
                    Well, Tolik Belkovsky and his comrades have already explained to us who stole and where;) don't load the "national-patriot")
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 7 February 2016 10: 08
    +9
    Quote: Igor39
    Igor39 (5)

    Igor, a proverb applies to you, a donkey can also kick a dead lion.
    our country, during his reign, made not just a breakthrough, but a powerful movement, on the remnants of which we are still moving.
    Stalin has a dual attitude, I just give him his due.
    And I can say with sovereignty that Stalin and Beria are much smarter than Igor 39 and his company.
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      2. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 7 February 2016 11: 37
        +5
        It is pleasant to realize that not only Stalin and Beria are smarter than Igor39 and the company, but I along with them.
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 7 February 2016 12: 34
          -6
          Everything that was built by the Soviet people, and Stalin and Beria, everything is owned by the capitalists, the party of Lenin and Stalin did a good thing, they managed to manage that everything that the people built was with a handful of oligarchs, and the people sucked under Stalin, so now they suck. not Stalin’s victory, for what purposes did so many people ruin into collectivization and war? To watch how the oligarchs live and say that under Stalin it was good? All 70 years of building socialism down the drain, deceived once again. laughing
          1. Pig
            Pig 7 February 2016 13: 51
            +6
            "For what purposes were so many people killed in collectivization and war?"
            Well, here it is - that very question! TA-DAAAAM!
            it's like a litmus piece of paper - from the same series as about the defense of Leningrad! like "WHY ???")))
            you really do not understand "for what purposes" did you defeat the fascists?)))
            that's how it always happens - scrape any "national-patriotic anti-Soviet" and a dirty Russophobic snout will come out ...
            disgusting
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 7 February 2016 18: 04
              0
              Quote: Pig
              scratch any "national-patriotic anti-Soviet" and a dirty Russophobic snout will come out ...

              How is everything simple for you, who is not dreaming against us? Who is not for the advice that Russophobe?
              1. Pig
                Pig 7 February 2016 19: 33
                0
                we are for the adequacy, dear troller, and for the fact that everyone would be rewarded according to his merits ...
                you too will be rewarded, do not worry;)
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 7 February 2016 20: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Pig
                  we are for the adequacy, dear troller, and for the fact that everyone would be rewarded according to his merits ...
                  you too will be rewarded, do not worry;)

                  Che hurt? This is not trolling dad, but counterarguments, and who will be rewarded with what to do Pigthe party is not for you.
                  1. Pig
                    Pig 7 February 2016 20: 31
                    0
                    "" counterarguments ""
                    funny)
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 7 February 2016 12: 44
          -4
          Quote: Kostya Andrei
          It is pleasant to realize that not only Stalin and Beria are smarter than Igor39 and the company, but I along with them.

          Eva how are you about yourself, you will not praise yourself, nor will anyone praise?
          Smarter than all mean? You need to be more modest, uncle.
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 7 February 2016 10: 55
      +1
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      on the remains of which we are still moving.

      Traditional question about heading? Where does everything move on the remnants of all that was created in society by opposing the decaying influence of capitalism?
      1. Pig
        Pig 7 February 2016 13: 46
        0
        "" Traditional question about the course of movement? "
        We are moving FORWARD, my dear Dutch friend .... we are developing;) here in the 80s we had a "stagnation" - we were marking time, in the 90s - generally regression - rolled back 50 years ... now we have to go through what we have already passed ...
  • luxprofi
    luxprofi 7 February 2016 10: 30
    0
    The overwhelming majority of Russian citizens, according to all polls, take a pro-Stalinist position. This position scares the authorities. Especially Medved. At the last EP party, remember how derogatory he spoke about 1917! The entire program of de-Stalinization and de-Sovietization in the media is supervised and directed by him personally. I can’t understand one thing, Putin says that EdRo is the mainstay of the government, and the leader of EdRa essentially takes an anti-Soviet and anti-Stalinist, and therefore anti-Russian position. Well, if the majority of the people \ and the titular nation is Russian \, for Stalin and Medved against ... Where is Putin?
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 7 February 2016 11: 01
      +4
      Quote: luxprofi
      Well, if the majority of the people \ and the titular nation is Russian \, for Stalin and Medved against ... Where is Putin?

      Yes, all this is one company of wonderful guys, especially since the one you asked about recently here has replenished the piggy bank of the encyclopedia of modern history with the words "... Patriotism is a national idea. And there can be no other unifying idea besides patriotism, I am convinced Russian President Vladimir Putin Business, government officials and all citizens are working to make the country stronger, he stressed. We warned no other idea, Putin warned, and no need to come up with."http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2716001
    2. 3news
      3news 9 February 2016 01: 30
      0
      Quote: luxprofi
      occupies an anti-Soviet and anti-Stalinist, and, therefore, anti-Russian position

      Do not confuse Russians with scoops. Russians against the murderer Dzhugashvili.
      Quote: luxprofi
      Well, if the majority of the people \ and the titular nation is Russian \, for Stalin

      Once again for those who do not understand well. Russians against Dzhugashvili.
    3. Generalissimo
      Generalissimo 9 February 2016 06: 24
      -1
      They ran, shouted "For the Motherland, for Stalin" and were against!
      Do not confuse Russians with someone else whom he shot through abortion services ... STG-44 lover :-)))
      1. 3news
        3news 9 February 2016 09: 37
        0
        Neither mind nor imagination, just to blurt out something.
        Why StG44 lover? So it sounds "more compromising"?
        Who was screaming? Russians? What a fright?
        1. 3news
          3news 9 February 2016 10: 32
          0
          Quote: Generalissimo
          anyone can go to your 3news profiles and see what kind of chiz you are persecuting.

          Come and find where I wrote that I like StG44. I always wrote that MP43 and StG44, like their Soviet counterparts AK / AKM, are a rare go ** about. Is it clear to you, a lover of Hitler, the SS and concentration camps?
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      3. Generalissimo
        Generalissimo 9 February 2016 09: 49
        0
        Because anyone can go into your 2news / 3news profiles and see what kind of chase you are persecuting.
        And why are you answering me for comments and putting minuses, but I don’t want you? :-)
      4. Generalissimo
        Generalissimo 9 February 2016 11: 52
        0
        What are you this time began to answer your own, and not mine, and minus (so far) did not put?
        I still don't see your anti-Soviet demshiza logged in. Is this a site bug with an emergency "on the contrary" or is it NSDAP policy?
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 7 February 2016 11: 42
    +1
    Quote: luxprofi
    Where is Putin here?

    In the same place as Medvedev. Most recently, Putin "rode" through the Great October Revolution and Lenin, calling them the "greatest tragedies" of Russia. Note: not the First World War with its millions of killed Russians and not the February bourgeois revolution, which lowered Russia "below the plinth," giving it to all and sundry for plunder, called "tragedies", namely the Bolshevik, proletarian revolution! So, just think on whose side he is, on the side of the capitalist oligarchs and their hangers-on, or on the side of the rest of the working people.
  • 23424636
    23424636 7 February 2016 12: 22
    +1
    Thanks to the author for the article which indicated the factories of the Konstantinovsky Metallurgical Plant named after Frunze and the Makeevsky Iron and Steel Works named after Kirov, both plants were destroyed the first during the reign of Yanukovych-Bliznyuk, now a wasteland. the second also cut down these two rotozea, turning the once huge Makeevsky plant into a branch of the ridiculous Enakievo plant and only because there is a unique German rolling mill, and so the blast furnace and open-hearth production were completely destroyed by the great metallurgists Akhmetov and Nevinsky.
  • Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 7 February 2016 12: 37
    -1
    In the spring of 1936, the NKVD fabricated the business ...

    The NKVD did not fabricate the case.
    The NKVD is just a name, a sign of a state institution.
    Cases are fabricated by specific people and it would be nice to name their surnames, names, positions in articles. For example, the article states that "... senior sergeant of state security Trofimenko adopted a resolution on the arrest of Gugel, which was sanctioned by the regional prosecutor." to arrest, he “took him under his cap” and went to arrest Gugel, and then delivered him, probably, to a pre-trial detention center. Both the regional prosecutor and the senior sergeant are neutral people. Everyone knows that to plant a person you need an interested person or an interested person.
    Who were these interested persons, who are those responsible for the arrest and execution of Hugel, this is the main thing, but he is not. There is a nameless regional prosecutor, and senior sergeant of state security Trofimenko and the NKVD, i.e. none. The real perpetrators were hidden behind a sign of the NKVD, the regional prosecutor and Art. sergeant.
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 7 February 2016 12: 50
    +1
    Quote: Igor39
    and people sucked under Stalin, so now sos


    If you and your ancestors have learned to do professional blow job over the centuries, then why do you think that others did it too, for example, my ancestors worked, fought, lived well under the Union, and now it’s not bad in principle, although it could be better. Although, under Stalin, not everything was good.
    I repeat. I regard Stalin as the greatest figure in humanity. I try not to offend him, because a donkey can also kick a dead lion. Just give him credit.
    And you did not try to work in order to improve your financial situation.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 February 2016 13: 04
      -1
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      I try not to offend him, because a donkey can also kick a dead lion.

      At the forum, everyone is "kicked" from Nicholas II to Yeltsin and Putin, who is still alive, so there is no need to "kick the lion". I would paraphrase as was customary in Russia - "about the dead, it's either good or nothing," otherwise every flea kicks the same Nicholas II, but don't touch Stalin?
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 7 February 2016 17: 01
        -2
        Do you consider Nikolai a lion? Compare what was done under Stalin and the achievements of Nicky.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 7 February 2016 18: 09
          0
          Quote: Kostya Andreev
          Do you consider Nikolai a lion?

          Yes.
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          2. padded jacket
            padded jacket 7 February 2016 19: 44
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: Kostya Andrei
            Do you consider Nikolai a lion?

            Yes.

            Apparently a hereditary nobleman laughing
            Of what kind, if not a secret, is it not from the great "Russian" dynasty of Abramovich? lol
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 7 February 2016 20: 22
              -3
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: Kostya Andrei
              Do you consider Nikolai a lion?

              Yes.

              Apparently a hereditary nobleman laughing
              Of what kind, if not a secret, is it not from the great "Russian" dynasty of Abramovich? lol

              Dumb comment, just water.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 7 February 2016 20: 28
                +1
                Quote: RUSS
                Dumb comment, just water.

                Dumb? Or maybe you just can’t understand it? lol
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 7 February 2016 20: 36
                  -3
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Dumb comment, just water.

                  Dumb? Or maybe you just can’t understand it? lol

                  And there’s nothing to understand, you wrote nonsense and that’s it.
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 7 February 2016 20: 54
                    0
                    Quote: RUSS
                    And there’s nothing to understand, you wrote nonsense and that’s it.

                    Okay, okay just don’t be very nervous, but I’m for your peace of mind and that you would sleep soundly at night I’ll be ready to admit that you are not of the Abramovich family smile
      2. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 7 February 2016 20: 21
        -3
        RUSS (3)
        and then the same Nicholas the 2nd every flea kicks, but do not touch Stalin?


        his main mistake was weak-willed! On the whole, it was precisely because of the weakness and gentleness of his character that he could not save the empire! being in itself can be a very good spiritualized person, but for managing and maintaining a huge empire this is not enough, and even death is similar for such a huge power! they are here required for the often completely opposite qualities of character!
        the world is so arranged it was already global even in those days! world capital has always been ruled by sharks which, if you don’t eat, you will sooner or later wait for the right moment and eat you! wimps have no place here.
        therefore, in my opinion, Stalin was the only one who was perfectly aware of all this for the first time in the history of Russia to do the main thing! - to isolate the country from the influence of all the devouring indefatigable world shark (Anglo-Saxon) capital and its adherents! creating essentially an alternative. but he went too far and did not leave worthy heirs ready to finish the work begun! this was ultimately his fatal mistake.
        Well, then everything is as it should be.

        RUSS (3)
        and do not touch Stalin?

        belay come on !
        here it’s just a garbage can every liberal dog on the planet Earth is a day and a burden but is ready to defy it!

        in any case, no matter how bad or good she is, or good or tragic - this is our story! denying any part of it, you will deny a whole era of those people who grew up believed they won and died for one or another of its ideals! and always break up and divide societies! that in the end, of course, nothing good will end again! (I think we have problems at the moment and so are above the roof! do not agree?) therefore, historical monuments should be everything to Stalin and Nikolai 2!
        (my opinion)
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 7 February 2016 13: 17
      +2
      I work, a free master, no one will fire me, and my profession is rare.
      1. MSL
        MSL 7 February 2016 14: 30
        +3
        Poloter?
        Or (judging by the emptiness) collector?
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 7 February 2016 14: 47
          +2
          Quote: MSL
          Poloter?

          Is this a stone in the garden of all cleaning ladies? What are you yourself of the "masters"? Your red writer told you when you were little that “all professions are important, all professions are needed”.
      2. Alf
        Alf 7 February 2016 14: 53
        +3
        Quote: Igor39
        I work, free master

        Do you pay taxes or do you work well?
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 7 February 2016 18: 08
          0
          Quote: Alf
          Do you pay taxes or do you work well?

          Tax inspector or in the migration service?
          1. Alf
            Alf 7 February 2016 21: 26
            -1
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: Alf
            Do you pay taxes or do you work well?
            Tax inspector or in the migration service?

            Clear. You do not pay taxes. Then, if you get sick, go to the hospital and present the policy. And why should I, paying taxes, pay for your treatment from my pocket? And you will receive the pension that I paid for you?
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      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 7 February 2016 17: 13
        +4
        So you yourself said that the people sucked, I just clarified that if your ancestors did this, then mine somehow did without it.
        Do you pay taxes? with his very "rare" profession of parquet flooring. Or, as always, we scold the authorities, the country, but we don't do shit ourselves.
        My face is beautiful, women like it. Are you blue otherwise you have to suck everything around. I don’t know how the goat smells, I won’t argue with you, you know better.
        And I hope that someone will explain to you how to use toilet paper and have a conversation in a decent society, and also learn to express your thoughts more clearly.
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 7 February 2016 17: 26
          0
          So I say that you have a mug, even you yourself confirm.
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 7 February 2016 18: 05
            +2
            I used erysipelas to make you understand. With each person you need to speak a language that is accessible to him, if you understand the face and you use this word, then I use instead of the face or face of the face, so that you can understand.
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  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 7 February 2016 12: 51
    +2
    Googel 14 October 1937 year was shot.

    Good! I am grateful to Stalin for the fact that he almost at the root destroyed the faithful Leninists-Apfelbaums, Hookels, Rosenfelds and other killer-killers of the Russian people.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 February 2016 12: 57
      0
      Quote: Aleksander
      Good! I am grateful to Stalin for the fact that he almost at the root destroyed the faithful Leninists-Apfelbaums, Hookels, Rosenfelds and other killer-killers of the Russian people

      Well, further develop the thought .... killed, buried, put out and? What's next? For what and why? Meaning?
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 7 February 2016 22: 10
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        Well, further develop the thought .... killed, buried, put out and? What's next? For what and why? Meaning?


        The thought is finished. I expressed satisfaction that these vrodki were destroyed - and it doesn’t matter what sense someone put into it - the fact itself is important.
    2. UrraletZ
      UrraletZ 7 February 2016 16: 37
      +1
      Anti-Advisor ALWAYS Russophobia ...
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 7 February 2016 18: 07
        -3
        Quote: UrraletZ
        Anti-Advisor ALWAYS Russophobia ...

        It’s like in children, “he’s dumb.”
  • Wanderer 2008
    Wanderer 2008 7 February 2016 16: 52
    0
    Quote: RUSS
    - "about the dead, it's either good or nothing",

    About the dead, either nothing, or just the truth!
  • iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 7 February 2016 16: 54
    -1
    Stalin is a Russian nationalist, Russian nationalists say.
    Stalin is a communist, say the communists.
    Stalin - scum and villain, scum and rascals say.
    I inserted it earlier and will repeat it again.
    1. 3news
      3news 9 February 2016 01: 35
      -1
      Quote: iury.vorgul
      Stalin is a Russian nationalist, Russian nationalists say.

      Dzhugashvili Russian nationalist?
      Why not Paraguayan?
      Did you understand what you wrote?
      It’s even somehow not funny.
  • 1234567890
    1234567890 7 February 2016 17: 54
    +2
    This article is about what? How did the bloody gebeni of the valiant builders of Magnitogorsk put to the wall? And what does Stalin have to do with it then?
    Yes, by the way, in the 30s. there was no such title "senior sergeant of state security".
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 7 February 2016 23: 06
      +2
      1935g
      Highest staff:
      GB Commissioner 1st rank;
      GB Commissioner 2st rank;
      GB Commissioner 3st rank;
      Senior Major GB;
      Major GB;
      Senior staff:
      Captain GB
      Senior Lieutenant GB;
      GB lieutenant;
      Average staff:
      Junior Lieutenant GB;
      Sergeant GB;
      Candidate for a special rank.


      The sergeant was visible. The truth is not senior. He wore lieutenant cubar.
  • Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 7 February 2016 19: 28
    +1
    But the Germans associate Stalin with Stalingrad!
    https://youtu.be/nbOqp_bxSCQ
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  • WarMachine
    WarMachine 8 February 2016 04: 03
    0
    Glory to Stalin! His only mistake was that he did not destroy all the hostile elements and their children, which subsequently led to the collapse of the USSR
    1. 3news
      3news 9 February 2016 01: 43
      -1
      Quote: WarMachine
      that he did not destroy all the hostile elements and their children

      And how do people like you carry the earth?
  • ovod84
    ovod84 8 February 2016 09: 12
    +2
    During Khrushchev, they ordered to demolish the monument in our aul and the villagers took it and hid it, while Gorbi, despite the angry tour, the authorities put Stalin anew and there too. 80% positive and 20% negative
  • iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 8 February 2016 10: 40
    +1
    When I write about Stalin, and after that the liberals and the shitmokers put me down, I think it's not for nothing that I wrote a post. If the enemy praises you, then you act to your own detriment, if the enemies scold you, then you are doing the right thing. No wonder Gorbachev and Sakharov received the Nobel Prize. Worthy colleagues of Obama. I hope next year this prize will be given to Waltzmann.
  • Idiot
    Idiot 8 February 2016 18: 36
    0
    In 1941, an industrial enterprise was put into operation in the USSR every seven hours, and the economic growth was 30% per year, at the time it was time to release a medal "the unprecedented - it happens." Population growth was planned for the mid-fifties - 700 million people. If not for the war ... The name of Stalin I.V. for me personally as an indicator: blasphemes and scolds, it means pi-races.
    1. 3news
      3news 9 February 2016 00: 22
      0
      Quote: pft, fkb
      In 1941, an industrial enterprise was commissioned every seven hours in the USSR

      Read how the oven was started. In the same article. This is how the rest of the enterprises were "launched". Mostly on paper.
      Quote: pft, fkb
      and economic growth was 30% per year

      It is strange that not 300%. Or not 3000%. You could draw anything you wanted. For 20 years the Bolsheviks riveted weapons for the "world revolution" in their fine new factories. And the war came, the old, royal ones had to fight. Here's the true price of their 30% annual growth. It's all lies.
      Quote: pft, fkb
      If not for the war ...

      If not for the war, the USSR would have bent in 1953. Or even earlier, as a result of Comrade Apoplexy’s strike Dzhugashvili snuffbox on the head.
      Quote: pft, fkb
      Name of Stalin I.V. for me personally, as an indicator: blasphemes and scolds, then pi-races

      Strange you call thinking, honest and educated people. But people like you have their own habits. Inherited. Sharikovskie.
  • Romans
    Romans 7 December 2016 21: 26
    +1
    RUSS, 5th column: Yu.V. Andropov and co., M.S. Gorbachev, A.N. Yakovlev, E.A. Shevardnadze, B.N. Yeltsin, A.A. Sobchak and co., G.Kh. Popov and co., Young reformers (E.T. Gaidar, A.B. Chubais, A.A. Nechaev, P.O. Aven and others.), Nationalists, shadow workers, journalists, crime bosses, dissidents. There are persons whose activities are very dubious, but they are more likely either mediocrity or "useful fools" (NS Khrushchev, MA Suslov, EK Ligachev and almost all the later Soviet leadership).
    But the list of active patriots of the late USSR is catastrophically small: Marshals Sokolov S.L. and Akhromeev S.F., Minister of the Interior B.K. Pugo ... Particularly shocking is the complete indifference of the people to the events taking place at that time, its prostration ...
  • demotivator
    demotivator 22 December 2016 06: 50
    0
    The first monument to Stalin nobody will be able to demolish
    JV Stalin, millions of people in the country curse and millions of people worship. I think that Stalin needs neither curses nor praises. He simply is, as an outstanding state personality on a global scale. Understanding this fact is enough. The rest is all unnecessary. It is also necessary to realize that the material foundations of our country are laid and created by him, Stalin. Powerful industry, powerful defense, atomic weapons and their delivery vehicles, which are the basis of our statehood, were created precisely by Stalin and his heirs. For this reason, he doesn’t even need a monument, because everything that is material around us is a monument to Stalin in the flesh. The main thing is not to destroy, but to increase, so that there is something to pass on to our children. Stalin for us is the same as for the great China Mao. He is the founder of the state. And to destroy the foundations, undermining the authority of the founder, is not only not smart, but also criminal. Those who destroy what they created commit a crime against their people.